Jun 15, 2021 Carmel Plan Commission

[A. Call Meeting to Order]

[B. Pledge of Allegiance]

[C. Roll Call]

[D. Declaration of Quorum]

[E. Approval of Minutes]

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]

[H. Public Hearings]

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WE RECOMMEND THIS ITEM GO TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE MEETING ON TWO JULY 6.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU RACHEL. THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONG THE DISCUSSION.

>>. >> I MOVED TO FOR THIS TO THE COMMERCIAL MEDIA FOR FINAL NG.

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>> THERE ARE TOWERS OVER THE ENTRANCE ON THE WEST. AND THEN THERE ARE DECORATIVE TOWERS ON THE NORTH, THE NORTH, THE WEST AND THEN NORTH I BELIEVE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS YOU CAN HOLD UP FROM THE PACKET? >> DID YOU TELL I'M THINKING OF IS AT THE PEAK OF THOSE TOWERS. WITH ONE IN THE CENTER, ONE ON THE END AND ONE ON THE OTHER END. IT WILL TIE INTO WHAT BRACKET DETAILS THAT THEY ARE ADDING AS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON THE NORTH AND ALSO ON THE EAST I

BELIEVE. >> JUST DOWN ALMOST. THERE WE GO.

>> WHO SAYS YOU CAN'T LEARN ANY NEW TRICKS. >> WRITER ABOVE THE SIGN IS A

SMALL WAY TO ADD EXTRA DETAILING. >> WHAT I HAVE SHOWING ON TOP IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION. BELOW IS THE WEST ELEVATION AND THEN I ALSO HAVE THE EAST

ELEVATION AND THE NORTH ELEVATION. >> I THINK THESE MIGHT BE A VERSION BEHIND. I DON'T SEE THE ADDED WOULD ARCHITECTURAL BRACKETS.

ARE THOSE IN YOUR PACKETS. >> WE HAVE A VERSION DATE STAMPED MAY 27, 2021.

I DON'T SEE A VERSION NUMBER. JUNE 1, 2021 IS THE REVISED PER CITY'S COMMENTS.

>> THAT IS THE MOST RECENT IN YOUR PACKET. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABILITY ELEVATION HEAD UP THE WIDER STONE SECTION WITH THREE BRACKETS TO THE EAST THERE.

>> I THINK THIS ONE MAY ALSO BE HERE. >> I THINK THAT ONE OF THE

RIGHT ONE. >> JUST THE BIGGER PICTURE QUESTION FOR DEVELOPMENT ALONG THIS AREA. IF I LOOK AT THE BURIAL SITE PLAN WHICH INCLUDES THE THREE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS TO IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST WITH THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS ACROSS THE FIELD STRIVE TO THE SOUTH. THERE IS THIS STRIP OF LAND FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TWEEN DEALS AND 146 DRIVE. IT LOOKS LIKE FOR VARIOUS REASONS BETWEEN WHICH SIDE THE PARKING IS LOCATED ON AS WE GO ALONG THAT AREA. IT'S MOSTLY ORIENTED TO THE SOUTH FOR THE THREE BUILDING COMMERCIAL AREA JUST EAST OF THIS SITE.

IT'S ORIENTED MOSTLY TO THE NORTH WITH THIS PROJECT AND THEN LOOKING AT THE LEGACY APARTMENTS THERE IS SOME SURFACE PARKING THAT IS ALSO ORIENTED.

>> YOU MEAN HOPEWELL. >> YES I'M SORRY HOPEWELL OF THE S WEST DRIVE.

WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE CONSISTENCY ALONG HOPEWELL THAT EVENTUALLY LOOK AT THE PARKING THERE HUNDRED AND 46 OR HOPEWELL?

>> YES, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO DO WITH THESE NEXT TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE COMING IN THE VETS OFFICE AND THIS RESTAURANT. WHEN THE THREE BUILDINGS TO THE

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PEDESTRIAN SCALE AND SET ABOUT LARGER VEHICULAR ORIENTED SIZE. >> I AGREE WITH THAT IDEA.

>> I'M NOT SURE IF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT THE PERSON LINE YOU COULD SEE IS PRETTY FAR BACK FROM 146 STREET SO EVEN IF WE COULD BRING IT UP THERE STILL QUITE A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE THERE. IT'S HUNDRED AND 46 STREET IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE PEDESTRIAN

AREA THAT WE WANTED TO BE. >> HOPEFULLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF COMMITTEE DRIVE WILL GET MORE OF A LARGER CHUNK OF THE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT TO COME THROUGH SO WE CAN GET IT LAID

OUT BETTER FROM THE BEGINNING. THESE ARE COMING IN PIECEMEAL. >> WEARS THE FRONT DOOR GOING

TO BE? >> THE FRONT DOOR HERE IS ORIENTED WEST.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HUMAN SKILL AND HOPEWELL WHICH IS TO THE SOUTH YOU'RE SPEAKING MY LANGUAGE BUT WHERE THOSE DOORS CAN BE SUPPOSED TO HIDE THE DUMPSTER.

>> THE DUMPSTER IS AT THE NORTH AND CORNER NEXT TO THE CONNECTING POINT TO THE EAST.

IT WILL BE AWAY FROM THE EAST BECAUSE THE OUTDOOR PATIO COMES DOWN TO THE FRONT OF THE

RESTAURANT. >> THE DUMPSTER COMES DOWN TO THE REST RESTAURANT.

>> I SEE IT NOW. >> THE NORTHEAST CORNER PAST THE RESTAURANT COMPLETELY.

AND THE PATIOS BROUGHT DOWN. >> THE DUMPSTER THING IS HARD. WE WORK HARD TO HAVE THE DUMPSTERS THAT HAVE NICE DOORS AS THEY ARE CLOSED. TOO FAR IN THE COMMUNITY I SEE IS DUMPSTER DOOR OPENS AND THEIR GARBAGE THERE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WAS TAKEN

INTO ACCOUNT. >> WE HAVE THE SECOND MOTION ON THE TABLE.

THE QUESTION I HAVE IS MORE FOR WHAT HE. MEETINGS WE TALKED ABOUT RESTAURANT USES AND BEING UNDER PARKED WITH A VARIANCE DOES THAT GIVE YOU CAUSE FOR CONCERN. BEFORE YOU ANSWER WITH THE AFFIRMATION OF THE BUILDING IS ACCLIMATED TO THE WEST AND THAT FRONT ROW OF PARKING IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED WITH PARKING TO THE NORTH. THE SHARED PARKING TO THE WEST AS I CAN GET USED TO FIRST AND

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>> I WOULD BE EXCITED ABOUT SHARED PARKING RESTAURANT. THEY ARE BUSY OR NOT, ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO PARK. JESSICA'S HEARTBURN ANYTIME YOU GO BELOW WHAT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENT FOR RESPONSES AS I TOLD A COUPLE OTHER SENTENCE ELEMENT THE MY COUSIN MENTIONED THEM SOMETIMES. THE PARKING IS A NIGHTMARE.

IT IS) TO TAKE PARKING AWAY FROM THE RESTAURANT. BUT, LIKE STORAGE.

YOU NEVER HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE AND ESTAURANT. AS FAR AS THE FRONT DOOR.

>> THE FRONT DOORS TO THE WEST AND IT IS COUPLED WHAT IS THERE TO PARKING OR SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING. THIS IS OUR SHOT TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE.

>> AS LONG AS THERE ARE SPACES ALONG THE FRONT DOOR THAT'S ENOUGH.

THE FRONT DOORS FACING SOUTH AND THERE WERE NO PARKING THERE IS A DISASTER FOR RESTAURANT.

BASICALLY MAKING THEM DUE TO ENTRANCES OR MAKING PEOPLE WALK AROUND THE BUILDING WHICH THEY DON'T LIKE TO DO. PARKING HERE WILL BE FINED WITH THE DOOR ON THE WEST.

WE'VE A MOTION WITH THE SECOND. >> THIS IS JUST A DEPARTMENT AT THE QUESTION.

WHY WOULDN'T HAVE THIS UP IN ONE OF THOSE CONDO DOCKETS GIVEN THE TYPE OF VARIANCE QUICK SOMETIMES WE CAN MAKE IT WORKED WITH A LINEUP AND WE GET THE VARIANCES IDENTIFIED EARLY ENOUGH TO MAKE IT WORK AND SOMETIMES WE CAN'T. THIS TIME IT DIDN'T WORK OUT AND WILL BE GOING INTO SEPARATE MEETINGS. WE DO TRY TO DO THAT IF WE CAN.

>> YOU KNOW WHEN THIS IS SCHEDULED? >> IN TWO WEEKS.

>> AGAIN, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECONDED TO SEND THIS TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE WITH FINAL

VOTING AUTHORITY. >> THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. >> AND HE OPPOSED SAMEME SIGN.

>> VERY WELL THIS WILL GO TO OUR COMMERCIAL MEETING ON TUESDAY, JULY 6.IT WILL STAY

THERE RE UNTIL THEY GIVE A FINAL THUMBS-UP OR THUMBS DOWN. >> THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS DOCKET PC Ã021 Ã0073 PP ALBANY VILLAGE SUBDIVISION. THE APPLICANT SIX PRIMARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR 82 LOTS, 36 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED ROLLING UNITS AND 46 TO FAMILY ATTACHED ROLLING UNITS ON 36 ACRES. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 14402 SHOPWORN ROAD.

AND IS OWNED ALBANY VILLAGE PDU/PLAN DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS ORDINANCES E- 666 Ã21 FILED WITH JIM SHAVER AND JOHN DEVOS SEE OF NELSON AND

FRANKENBERGER ON BEHALF OF LAMB PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT LLC. >> ON THE HALF OF THE PROPERTIES WE HAVE COLONIES EACH WC ON THE PROJECT ENGINEER JIM WITH OUR OFFICE.

AS NOTED THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING SUBDIVISION PRIMARY PLAT APPROVAL AS PRESCRIBED IN THE ALBANY VILLAGE ORDINANCE. BY WAY OF GENERAL THE PUD ORDINANCES APPROVED BY THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR ON APRIL 19. THE REAL ESTATE IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW AND CONSISTS OF 37 ACRES. IT IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER WITH LIMITED ACCESS 146 STREET AND SHELBURNE ROAD. ALONG WITH LETTER.

TO THE EAST OF THE REAL ESTATE IS THE TOWN'S RIDGE SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH IS THE ALBANY PLACE SUBDIVISION. TO THE WEST OF THE REAL ESTATE ACROSS SHOPWORN IS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE IN A PARTIAL OWNED BY THE COMICALLY PARKS ON THIS PARCEL HERE AND SURROUNDING REAL ESTATE IS, CLAY. BEHIND THREE AND SHOWN HERE IS A COLOR VERSION OF THE ENGINEER DEVELOP PLAN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

A MORE DETAILED PLANS IS INCLUDED BEHIND TAB FOUR OF YOUR INFORMATIONAL BROCHURE.

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PEDESTRIAN PASSES PROVIDING CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT ALBANY VILLAGE.

IN THIS REGARD THE APPLICANTS HAVE MEANDERED A PATH ALONG THE CENTRAL PIPELINE EASEMENT TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE AS A PIPELINE COMPANY WILL NOT PERMIT A PATH TO CROSS THE ANGER OR MEANDER OVER THE PIPELINE. YOU CAN SEE IN THE PASSES ALONG THE EDGE OF THE PIPELINE AND THERE WAS SOME QUESTION OR REQUEST THAT THE PATH MAY MEANDER THROUGH THAT SPACE IS NOT PERMISSIBLE TO THE TERMS OF THE EASEMENT WITH THE PIPELINE COMPANY. IN ADDITION THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED STAFF A COPY OF THE EASEMENT FROM THE ALBANY PLACE EACH AWAY WHICH IS TO THE SOUTH.

THERE'S A PATH CONNECTION THAT EXISTS RIGHT HERE ONTO AN EXISTING PATH WITHIN ALBANY PLACE AND WE PROVIDED STAFF WITH A COPY OF THE EASEMENT PROVIDED AT EACH AWAY FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD ALLOWING CONNECTION TO TAKE PLACE. FINALLY REGARDING CONNECTIVITY THERE IS A SEGMENT IN THE LIMITED ACCESS OF 146 RIGHT AWAY AND THE SEGMENT IS NOT REQUIRED UNDER THE PUD. IF I SCOOT UNDER CONSTRUCTION 246 STREET AND I WAS BY THEIR EARLIER TODAY. IN REVIEWING THAT MATTER WE OBTAIN THE PLANS THAT THE COUNTY HIGHWAY HAS PUT TOGETHER FOR THAT INTERCHANGE BETWEEN FRONTAGE PLACE WHICH EXISTS AT THE FOUR CORNERS IN SIMILAR FASHION TO THIS NORTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST TO THE SCHOOLS PARKS PROPERTY. AS THE DESIGN SHOWS THEY ARE NOT ADEQUATE PIPE LINKS WITH TWO LOCATIONS UNDERNEATH SHOPWORN ROAD FOR THE PATH TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

THE GRADES EXIST ALONG THAT SEGMENT ROAD WHICH IS ACTUALLY STORM WATER DETENTION PLAN FOR THIS SPACE AND IT HASN'T BEEN ACCOMMODATED AS WELL. WE PIPE LINKS AND STORM WATER CONTROL AND THAT SPACE. THERE ARE TWO SITUATIONS EITHER WIND DONE INTENTIONALLY AND DESIGNED THAT WAY OR IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT AND WHILE WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE DEPARTMENT THAT MADE THE OVERSIGHT WE BELIEVE THAT THE CORRECT TIME TO HAVE IT ADDRESS IS A CHANGE ORDER WITH 146 STREET PROJECTS RATHER THAN PUSHING IT OFF TO SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE ON A PARK IS DEVELOPED OR AT A FUTURE DATE. WE WILL REACH OUT TO THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT OF THE RIGHT FOLKS IN THE SAME SPACE TO HAVE A GREAT DISCUSSION TO DETERMINE HOW IT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED. WE WOULD TRY TO SET THAT UP FOR THE COMMITTEE MEETING.

TO MOVE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SHOWN INCLUDES 82 HOMES IN TOTAL WITH 36 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES IS TREATED IN YELLOW HERE. THERE 46 TO FAMILY DWELLINGS LOCATED OR SHOWN HERE IN ORANGE. SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ARE CONSTRUCTED AND LOTS ALONG THE EASTERN AND SOUTHERN PERIMETER OF THE SITE AS INDICATED WITH A TWO-FAMILY PAIR OF VILLAS CONSTRUCTING CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION OF

NORTH AND GENERALLY WEST OF THE PIPELINE EASEMENT. >> SHOWN HERE IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE SITE WHICH IS INCLUDED BEHIND TAB SIX AS WELL.

AS YOU CAN SEE SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING IS PROVIDED ALONG HUNDRED AND 46 STREET AND SHOW MORE SHOWN IN THESE LOCATIONS. STREET TREES AS SHOWN AND TREE PRESERVATION ALONG THE SITE PERIMETER IS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN. HE CONSIDERING HIGHLIGHTING ALONG THE EASTERN PERIMETER. SMALLPOX AND SEATING AREAS OFFENDERS ARE PROVIDED THROUGHOUT THE COMMON AREA AND DETAILS ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR BROCHURE.

IN THE COMMON STUFF REQUESTED THE APPLICANT REDUCE THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON THE BACK OF LOT 70 WHICH IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE IN ORDER TO PRESERVE AN ADDITIONAL EXISTING TREE THIS WAS REVIEWED BASED ON THE NECESSARY DEPTH ON THE LOT AND AGREED TO TREE PRESERVATION AREA ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE THESE MEN CAN BE REDUCED OR SHIFTED AWAY FROM THE TREE HOWEVER THE LANDSCAPING SHOULD WE BE DESCRIBED IN ADDITIO TO THE LOT LANDSCAPING INCLUDES SIX TREES SO THERE WILL BE SIX TREES ON THE BACKSIDE OF THESE LOTS ADJACENT TO THE RICH AS WELL AS FOR ADDITIONAL TREES PLANTED ON THE SIX LOTS WITHIN TALON RIDGE FOR A TOTAL OF 78

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PUBLIC HEARING TOPIC. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL PROCEED WITH ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. SEEING THEN WE WILL PROCEED TO ASK FOR THE RECORD I AM LOPEZ WITH PERMANENT COMMITTEE SERVICES.HE SITE PLAN IS IN LINE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND CONSISTS OF A MIX OF SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DWELLINGS. PRIMARY PLANT DOCUMENTS WERE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE PUD. THE PATH ALONG THE NORTHERN EDGE WILL CONNECT THE PATH ALONG HUNDRED AND 46 STREET ACROSS THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND TO THE CUL-DE-SAC.

THE LANDSCAPING IS PROVIDED PER THE PUD. THERE WILL BE A PATH THAT WILL FOLLOW IN THE GAS PIPELINE EASEMENT. AND KEEPING IS PROVIDED IN THE EASEMENT AND ALONG THE PALMS. SOME OF THOSE WERE JUST THIS EVENING AND ONE WAS IN RELATION TO THE PATH ALONG SHOPWORN. THEY WILL BE CONSTRUCTING THEIR PORTION ALONG FRONTAGE BUT WE WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT WAS GONNA CONNECT TO THE PATH. KINDA LOOKING INTO THAT AND ASKING THE DEVELOPERS THEY TALKED ABOUT THE COUNTY HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT ABOUT THAT AND HOW THEY CAN CONNECT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A MISSING CHUNK AND IF WE CAN WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ADDRESSED NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PATH CONTINUES NORTH 246 STREET.

AND THEN WE DID ALSO ASKED THEM TO LOOK INTO REDUCING THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT.

THEY DO HAVE APPROVAL TO DO THAT AND ALSO THE MEANDERING OF THE PATH ALONG THE PIPELINE.

WE WOULD SUPPORT THE PETITIONERS REQUEST TO HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE HAVE FINAL LIGHTING VOTING AUTHORITY BUT WE RECOMMEND A GO TO FOR THE REVIEW.

>> THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS DOCKET

DISCUSSION FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. >> I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, SINCE THAT HAPPENED AFTER HE LEFT FOR THE PLAN COMMISSION AGAINST TOWN RIDGE, HE SAID AT SIX TREES.

ARE THE EVERGREENS WERE YOU PLANNING ON EACH SIDE OF THE EXISTING TREE?

>> IT'S EITHER 7 TO 8 OR 70 FOOT WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING.

THERE ADDITIONAL EVERGREEN TREES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SIDE.

>> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE WITH FINAL APPROVAL.

>> I JUST HAVE TWO BRIEF QUESTIONS. ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THERE ARE A COUPLE SPECIES. DO WE KNOW AT THIS POINT FOR CERTAINTY THAT THE HOLDER OF

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>> WE HAVE CONFIRMED IT WITH THEM. >> LASTLY THE PARK BENCH THAT IS PROPOSED, IS THAT MADE US WITH THOUGHT OR SET OF CYCLES PLASTIC?

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND I'LL FIND OUT THE ANSWER FOR YOUR REPORT BACK FOR THE COMMITTEE. IS ACTUALLY THREE LOCATIONS FOR BENCH.

ONE WILL BE LOCATED HERE AND ANOTHER IN THE PARK SPACE HERE IN A THIRD IN THE SPACE APPEARED AT THE PARK AREA. THIS IS THE EXHIBIT. IF IT DOESN'T IDENTIFY WHO WILL SPECIFY THE MATERIAL AND IF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE YOU CAN GIVE THAT TO STOP TO WORK TOWARDS

THAT. >> WHILE WE'RE ON THE PARK BENCH WE DON'T LIKE THE BENCH TO NOT LOOK GREAT AFTER YOUR TWO EITHER. ANYTHING TO MAKE IT THE NICEST PARK BENCH THAT MEETS PARK STANDARDS WOULD BE GREAT. AS OPPOSED TO MINIMUM BENCH.

SECONDLY KIND OF TWO THINGS. CAN YOU PUT UP THE OVERHEAD THAT IS COLORFUL? CAN YOU MOVE IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT? I THOUGHT WE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT NO CONNECTION TOLD 146 STREET BECAUSE WE WANTED A SOLID VEGETATIVE WALL THERE IS A SOUND BARRIER AND NOW I SEE A GAPING HOLE WHERE THE PATH GOES THROUGH.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME UNDERSTAND WHY THAT HAPPENS. ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO TIGHTEN UP THAT OPENING AND PUT SOME MORE TREES UP THERE AND MAYBE IT'S JUST A RENDERING I THINK.

>> ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY. >> IS A GOOD ANSWER.

A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION WOULD BE WHERE THE PATH DOES COME CLOSE TO THE ROAD FOR WHATEVER REASON THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY SHOWN WHICH IS SURPRISING.

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>> ARE EVEN TAKING ROADSIDE DRAINAGE FUNDING TO GO SOMEWHERE TO COMPARE WITH THE PATH AND LANDSCAPING? IS THERE A WAY TO CONVEY THAT I GUESS.

>> I CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU AS WELL. >> DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THE MEANDERING PATH ADJACENT TO THE PIPELINE. WHERE GO TH ALONG THE LINE OF TREES TO THE THE SOUTH. IT CONNECTS THEM WITH JOB OPENING PLEASE.

YOU ARTIE TAMED THE AGREEMENTS WITH THEM IN ORDER TO INSTALL THIS.

IN OTHER WORDS CAN BE INSTALLED CORRECT? >> ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S NOT JUST THE FUTURE. >> AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS IN ITS OBLIGATION AT THE TIME IT'S CONSTRUCTED THAT STAFF WILL HAVE THE EASEMENT FROM ALBANY PLACE.

SO THAT THERE WASN'T SOME QUESTION LATER DOWN THE ROAD. IF WE DIDN'T OBTAIN THAT EASEMENT THERE IS AN OBLIGATION ON PART OF THE DEVELOPER TO EXTEND IT.

NOT TO HAVE A DUPLICATE SET OF PATHS. WE'VE SEEN THE EASEMENT FROM

HERE.> OKAY SEE THE TEAM THAT. >> YES THE STAFF HAS A COPY.

>> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY IS THAT CURRENTLY STEPPED INTO YOUR PROPERTY NOW OR HOW FAR

SOUTH ARE YOU OBLIGATED TO PUT IN? >> KNOW THAT IF THERE IS A PATH THAT DOES SOMETHING IN THIS ORDER, THERE'S A PATH TODAY THAT DOES THIS.

AND WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT RIGHT HERE AND HE DIDN'T. >> I SEE.THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING A PATH TO HUNDRED AND

46? >> WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS SPACE RIGHT HERE.

THERE IS A CONNECTION OF A SIDEWALK THAT WOULD TAKE YOU UP TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.

>> I WILL RETURN TO THE MOTION AND SECOND TO SEND THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE WITH A FINAL APPROVAL FOR AUTHORITY. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED.

>> MOTION CARRIES. >> THINK YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

>> THANK YOU JOHN. >> LASTLY TONIGHT DOCKET PC Ã 2021 Ã00075 DPA DLS BANK OF AMERICA BRIDGES. THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN AND DESIGN APPROVED FOR A NEW BANK BRANCH ON A NEW LOT WITH THE BRIDGES. THE SITE IS GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF ILLINOIS STREET AND THE TECH DRIVE THE PLANNED ADDRESS OF 11530 NORTH ILLINOIS STREET. IT IS ZONED PD ÃTHE BRIDGES Z Ã550 Ã11.

FILED WITH JOHN SCHNEIDER OF WOLF PART ON BEHALF OF J LL. >> JOHN IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN. QUICKLY MY NAME IS KEVIN CURRY THE DESIGN PROJECT MANAGER.

>> THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS BANK OF AMERICA FACILITYAS WE MENTIONED TO BE LOCATED AT 11505 NORTH ILLINOIS STREET IN THE BRIDGES DEVELOPMENT. THE PROPOSED SITE IS SHOWN ON THIS PLAN HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN. THIS CREATING THE EXHIBIT SHOWS HOW THE PROPOSED

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PWE ARE ELIMINATING SOME OF HIS PARKING PARTICULARLY AT THE NORTHWEST AND NORTHEAST CORNER TO ADD SOME GREEN SPACE AND SOFTEN THAT EDGE. THERE IS ACCESS OFF THE TECH DRIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE RIGHT HERE. THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED AND USED FOR THE MAIN ACCESS AND ALSO ACCESS TO THE SOUTH WITH EXISTING PARKING LOT FILES HERE. THERE IS A ROUNDABOUT AS MANY OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AT THIS INTERSECTION OF THE TECH DRIVE IN ILLINOIS STREET.

VARIABLE TALENT ON THIS EXHIBIT WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT IS THERE.

CURRENTLY THERE IS NO TRAILER PATH CONNECTION FROM THIS LOCATION WE ARE PROVIDING NOT WITH THIS SITE OR THIS PROJECT AFTER DISCUSSION WITH ENGINEERING STAFF.

THIS IS A DETAILED SITE PLAN. AGAIN IT SHOWS THE ENTRANCE OF SO TECH AND HOW THE PARKING HAS BEEN DESIGNATED. THERE IS A DRIVE-THROUGH ON THE SOUTH SIDE HERE.

IT'S A ONE LANE DRIVE-THROUGH WITH THE BYPASS LANE TO THE SOUTH.

THE ORANGE HIGHLIGHTED PATH IS THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS OR MULTIUSE PATH THAT IS ON-SITE NOW. WE PLACE A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IN THE BACK CORNER AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. WE WORKED WITH THE PLANNING STAFF AND THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING. WE ORIGINALLY HAD THE BUILDING FACING NORTH.

WITH A LANDSCAPE PLAN THERE IS A LOT OF EXISTING MATURE LANDSCAPING ESPECIALLY ALONG ILLINOIS STREET. IT'S THE SHADED AREAS ON HERE ON THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING AN ADDITIONAL TREES SHOWN WITH OTHER SHRUBS.

WE DO MEET THE PD REQUIREMENTS AND THERE IS NO VARIANCE REQUIRED WITH THIS.

HERE'S THE CONTEXT UNDER OF THE PLAN. IT IS OF A PRAIRIE STYLE IN A DEVELOPMENTAL REQUIREMENT. ON THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE PLANET IS A SPLIT STONE THAT EXISTS FACE STONE WITH STUCKER AND ORNAMENTAL BANDING AT THE TOP OF THAT BANK.

WRAPS AROUND THE SIDE OF THE BANK TO THE BACK. WE ARE USING A GRAY TYPE FACE AS WELL AS SMOOTH STONE. A BEIGE BARRACKS FOR ACCENT THAT LINES UP WITH HORIZONTAL MULLIONS ON THE BANK. THERE'S A RED BRICK WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WILL FIND THEM DEVELOPMENT. EPS ONE IS A METAL ACM PANEL AS WELL AS A REDDISH BEIGE AND

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WE WANT TO KEEP TRUE TO THAT STYLE THAT WE WERE CLOSE WITH AT THE CITY.

WE'RE MEETING OF THE DEVELOPMENTAL REQUIREMENTS AND ORDINANCES.

THE COMPUTER PRESENTATION. >> WE WILL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC HEARING.

>> IS ANYONE FROM THE GENERAL PET PUBLIC WHICH IS TO BE HEARD ON THIS POSITION? I KNOW WE HAD ONE LETTER AND SHE PROMISED TO SHOW UP AND SHE HAS.

JUDY WILL START WITH YOU. AND THEN NEXT FOR TWO. COME ON UP.

>> YOU USE THE SAME MICROPHONE . IT IS NOW.

>> I STILL HAVE TO GIVE MY NAME AND ADDRESS? MY NAME IS JUDY HAGAN.

IN THE VICINITY OF SPRINGHILL AND HUNDRED AND NINTH. JUST SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. EVENING PLANT COMMISSION MEMBERS AND STAFF AS A FORMER PLAN COMMISSION MEMBER THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE BANK OF AMERICA BUILDING A BRANCH IN THE BRIDGES.

I AM DISMAYED TO SEE THAT THE BRANCH APPEARS TO BE A BUILDING IN A SEA OF ASPHALT.

I'M GOING ON NOW THIS IS STILL GOING ON IN CARMEL? AUTHORITY SHIRT MY PARTICULAR CONCERNS IN AN EMAIL TO YOU YESTERDAY. I WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO ADDRESS A BROADER ISSUE. MY FIRST CAME WHEN THE ATTACK AGENDA ARRIVED AND I WONDERED HOW PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS WERE GOING TO ACCESS THE FRONT DOOR.

MY SECOND IS WHY WAS THIS BUILDING NOT UP ON ILLINOIS STREET.

IF YOU'VE NOT SEEN THE NEW ROUNDABOUT WITH A REALLY INTERESTING AND SPECTACULARLY SO TECH HEADQUARTERS ENTERING THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT PLEASE COME TAKE A LOOK.

THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THE BUILDING AT THE SPRING. THEY EQUALLY ARE INTERESTING WHAT SO TECH BUILDINGS AND HEADQUARTERS FURTHER SOUTH. RETROFITTING SHOPPING MALLS HAS BEEN A HOT TOPIC LATELY. EARLIER THIS MONTH THE LANDMARK PRESENTED A WEBINAR ON THE AMERICAN MALL AND HOW SHOPPING SHAPE POSTWAR AMERICA. DURING THE PRESENTATION THE SPEAKER ADDRESSED THE CHALLENGES AND ISSUES ABANDON MALLS AND THEIR SEAS OF ASPHALT. REDEVELOPMENT AND RETROFITTING AS BEGINNING.

SEAS OF ASPHALT WERE ALSO FRONT AND CENTER AT THE CONFERENCE CONCLUDED LAST WEEK IN CARMEL.

IN PARTICULAR IF YOU'RE ABLE TO HEAR ALAN JONES AND JEN WILLIAMSON ADDRESS RETROFITTING SUBURBIA FOR CURRENT LIFESTYLES DPA WAS THEIR SLOGAN. FURTHER INSPIRED AFTER WEDNESDAY EVENING ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER HOW THE BUILDING IS CITED ON THE PARCEL AND HOW

THAT ENHANCES OR HINDERS THE SUCCESS OF OTHER RETROFITS. >> HOW DOES THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN WORK FOR STREETSCAPE? AND WHAT IS THE FUTURE LONG-TERM OF THIS PARKING LOT. SOME OF YOU RECALL THAT AN AREA WAS STUDIED BY THE CITY.

SITTING IN YOUR SEAT I WAS UNSUCCESSFUL IN BRINGING UP FORWARD.

NOW THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT SOME OF IT. I LOOK FORWARD TO FUTURE

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DISCUSSIONS. >> THANK YOU. JOE?

>> I'M JILL MORRISON I'M HER AND I LIVE IN WILLIAMS MILL WHICH IS TO THE WEST OF THE MARKET DISTRICT. I ALSO WRITE YOU LETTERS FOR THE COMMERCIAL CITIZENS FOR RESPONSIBLE ZONING WHICH IS ACTUALLY FORMED IN 2011 BECAUSE OF THE PROPOSAL FOR RIDGES PUD.

WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT BUT WE DO AND FIND NEIGHBORS AROUND DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS THAT ARE BEING HEARD. I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AN AMERICA PROPOSED IN THE NORTHEAST OF THE PARKING LOT FOR MARKET DISTRICT.

I'D LIKE TO SAY LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BRIEF VERY LITTLE BIT AND BRIEF HISTORY OF THE BRIDGES. IT WAS THE FIRST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT APPROVED WEST OF ILLINOIS IN CARMEL. IN 2011 THE RETAIL PORTION OF THE BRIDGES WERE SOLD IN MARCH 2017 ALTHOUGH AT THE TIME I THINK THEY TOLD US IT WOULD NEVER BE SOLD.

THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE BRIDGES PARCELS.

THERE WERE STRIP MALLS WITH MCDONALD'S AND THE SOSA CORPORATION OFFICE WHICH WAS NRA STYLE. NOW ONLY 10 YEARS LEADER AM DISMAYED THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS EVELOPMENT. IN 2014 THE MINUTE SO THAT THE MARKET DISTRICT REQUIRED 480 CES FOR PARKING. ASPIRATING THE 90 PARKING SPACES I'M SURE THERE WAS 900 AND SOMETHING AT THE END DEPENDING ON THE ROUTE THAT WAS CHANGED FROM THE MORMON TEMPLE. AT THAT TIME THE NEIGHBORS WORRIED ABOUT A SEA OF ASPHALT AND WE ASKED WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PARKING PLACES? WHY WERE THEY NECESSARY.

WE ASKED FOR MY GREEN SPACE AND ONE LISTEN TO US AND WE WERE IGNORED.

NOW THE PROPOSAL FOR BANK OF AMERICA IS ASKING TO REDEVELOPMENT PARKING LOT, DIG UP THE ASPHALT THAT COULD BE LEFT AS GREEN SPACE DURING THAT TIME AND PUT IN ANOTHER BUILDING THERE AND THE MESH OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE BRIDGES.

I WILL SAY THAT I AM PLEASED THAT THE BANK IS CONTINUING THE DESIGN WHICH IS THE ONE CONNECTING FORCE OF THESE BUILDINGS WHICH IS THE PRAIRIE DESIGN AS WE WERE MANY NEIGHBORS WERE FRUSTRATING BY ZYRTEC THAT THEY WANTED TO BE A PART OF THIS AND YET THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN. THERE ARE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP. I'M NOT ACTUALLY OPPOSED TO THE BANK ALTHOUGH NUMBER ONE, SEVERAL NEIGHBORS TO DO ACTUALLY NEED A THIRD BANK IN THE BRIDGES.

SEVERAL PEOPLE SAID PLEASE ADD MORE TREES AND MORE GREEN SPACE GRANTED IF YOU'RE DIGGING UP ASPHALT THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN WHAT WAS THERE BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS A SEA OF US THOUGHT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE GREEN AND MORE TREES THAT WOULD BE THERE.

THE THIRD THING AS PLEASE ADD MORE INTEREST TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THREE SIDES HAD MORE DETAIL ON THE ONE SHE SEEMED MORE BLANK WALL TO ME.

IF THERE'S SOME WAY YOU COULD ADD SOMETHING ELSE TO THAT BECAUSE ANYBODY DRIVING THROUGH HER WALKING THROUGH THE MARKET DISTRICT IS GOING TO SEE THAT AND IT'S JUST REALLY BORING I THINK. AND THEN REALLY THIS IS REPEATING WITH SOME OF THE THINGS JUDY SAID. WHILE WE ARE WORRYING ABOUT THE NEGATIVE PRECEDENT THAT THIS REDEVELOPMENT MIGHT SEND TO DEVELOP THE ASPHALT AND SHORT OF OTHER BUILDINGS.

THIS MAYBE ISN'T CONNECTED SPECIFICALLY TO THE BANK BUT IT IS TO THE FUTURE OF MARKET DISTRICT. HOW COULD WE TALK ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARING LOT ALONG TALKING ABOUT THE BANK. HOW COULD THE NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS BE LIMITED. WOULD THERE BE LIMITS TO THE HEIGHTS OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND WHERE THEY COULD BE LOCATED? CAN UNNEEDED PARKING LOT SPACE.

DEVELOPED ACTUALLY TOOK UP THE ASPHALT AND CONSIDER PUTTING IN GREEN SPACE.

MAYBE A PICNIC AREA WHERE PEOPLE COULD BUY FOOD AT THE MARKET DISTRICT AND GO PICNIC AND JOIN AND GATHER AN ESSENTIAL AREA INSTEAD OF ON THE CORNER OF THE ROUNDABOUT THAT BRINGS ON HUNDRED AND 16TH STREET. LASTLY WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE AS YOU ARE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENTS PARTICULARLY MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT, TO LIMIT THE EXTENSIVE ASPHALT PARKING AREA AND PROTECT AS MUCH GREEN SPACE

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ENCLOSURE WE WERE SOLD A GREEN GATHERING SPACE INSTEAD OF DEPRESSING SEE ABOUT SALTS BEING TORN UP FOR NEW BUILDINGS. I WANT YOU TO ADD AS MUCH LANDSCAPING AS POSSIBLE AND DISCUSS THE FUTURE OF THIS PROPERTY.

>> THANK YOU. >> IS ANYONE ELSE THAT LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS POSITION WE ARE STARTING TO HURT HER 20 MINUTE WINDOW STEVE SO IF THERE'S TIME OR IF THERE'S NOT TIME I WILL

POST THE COMMISSION. >> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS BELLA AND I ALSO LEAVE LIVE IN FLAMES THEN. I'M NOT A CUSTOMER BANK OF AMERICA OR MERRILL LYNCH.

IF THEY WANT TO BUILD A BANK HERE THEY CAN DO THAT. MY CONCERNED IS WHAT DILUTED TO THE AMOUNT OF CONGESTION THERE. WE HAVE A MCDONALD'S MAN WE HAVE A STARBUCKS.

THE BACKUP IN THE TRAFFIC THERE IS UNBELIEVABLE. THERE WASN'T ENOUGH PARKING PLACES PUT IN FOR THOSE POOR RESTAURANTS OVER THERE. THOUGH STOPS ARE IGNORED IN CARS RUN RIGHT THROUGH THERE. THIS COULD BE A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION ONE OF THESE DAYS.

I ASKED THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT IN THE FUTURE AND YOU BEGIN TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS BEFORE WE STOPS BEING USELESS. THEY ARE TOTALLY IGNORED IN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THERE IS TREMENDOUS IN THE MORNING. THAT WAS MY CONCERN AT THIS COULD BE ANOTHER DRIVE-THROUGH I JUST ASKED THAT WHOLE ISSUE. IF YOU NEED POLICE OUT THERE TO CATCH THESE PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH THOSE SIGNS I DON'T KNOW BUT SOMEBODY CAN GET HIT ONE OF THESE DAYS.

THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT. >> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS STEPHEN I'M RESENTING THE LP.

THAT IS ENTITY THAT OWNED THAT WAS A FORM AND WE CODEVELOPED IT WITH THE GERSHMAN'S.

WE FORMED A PARTNERSHIP WHERE THAT PARTNERSHIP WAS THE CONTROLLING DEVELOPER.

>> ON THE WANT TO LET YOU KNOW IS THIS NOT A REDEVELOPMENT. THIS IS PLANNED AS PART OF THE PUD AND THERE WAS ALWAYS A BANK THAT WAS GOING DEAL OUT THERE. I AGREE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO SMOKE PARKING. THE MARKET DISTRICT 1 FELT THEY NEEDED PARKING SPACES PER THOUSAND FEET WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN MOST GROCERY STORES WANT TO. IT'S A DECISION OF THE COMMUNITY DO WE COMPLY WITH THAT OR NOT. I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT HIS PLAN AS PART OF THE

DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS TO KNOW WHICH. >> ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC

THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? >> ALRIGHT THEN WE WILL PROCEED TO THE DEPARTMENT

REPORT. >> THINK YOU. >> AS WE HAVE HEARD WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE A NEW BANK OUTLINE BEING BUILT AT THE BRIDGES PUD.

THIS WILL BE PLACED WITHIN THE EXISTING PARKING LOT. THE ENTRANCE AND DRIVE BY AS HER THERE TODAY WILL BE MAINTAINED. PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND ON THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE ENHANCED WITH NEW SIDEWALKS GOING AND ALONG THE NORTH PORTION OF THE SITE WHICH IS NOT THERE PREVIOUSLY. THAT SIDEWALK WILL CONNECT TO THE INTERNAL NORTH, SOUTH PATH THAT LEADS TO THE MARKET DISTRICT FRONT DOOR.

THEY'LL BE GOOD FOR ADDED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE INTERNALS OF

TECH DRIVE OF EAST WEST STREET THROUGH THERE. >> THERE ARE TWO OTHER PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS THAT WILL BE MADE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST TO GET YOU TO THE

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IT WILL HAVE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS OF BRICK AND STONES AS WELL AS DETAILS FOR THE CORNICE. ANOTHER TO ADDRESS ILLINOIS STREET WHICH WE FELT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS THAN THE NORTH INTERNAL DRIVE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.

WE DID NOT THINK THAT WAS A GOOD WAY. ABOUT 40 OF THESE ARE PROVIDED BASED ON THE SIZE OF THESE NEW LOTS. BIKE PARKING HAS ALSO BEEN PROVIDED BUT AS MENTIONED IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE THIS RELOCATED TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING RATHER THAN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER JUST SO THAT THEY ARE MORE ACCESSIBLE WITH FRONT AND CENTER WHEN YOU COME IN TO GO TO THE BANK DOOR.

THERE ARE A FEW ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE MEETING THE PD. IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THEM COMMENTS I DO THINK IT WOULD BE HERE AND TO HEAR MORE ABOUT HE DEVELOPER IF THERE ARE OTHER BUILDINGS AND OTHER OUT LOT BUILDINGS PROPOSED. IF THERE WERE TO BE MORE BUILDINGS BECAUSE OF THE UNDERUTILIZED PARKING IN THE MARKET DISTRICT PARKING LOT. THEY GO TO THE WEST AND LINE THE INTERNAL DRIVE. THE INTERNAL EAST-WEST STREET OR WOULD IT COME DOWN ILLINOIS STREET AND HAVE ANOTHER OUTLET THERE. GRANTED WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE PWILL BE MORE BUT WE DO THINK I WOULD BE A GOOD POINT TO DISCUSS HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THE STREETSCAPE AND HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THE DESIGN OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.

WITH THAT WE DO RECOMMEND THIS GO TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE ON TUESDAY, JULY 6.

IF DESIRED GIVE THE COMMITTEE THAT FINAL BUT VOTING AUTHORITY.

>> SECOND WAS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS DOCKET. QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION FROM

THE COMMISSION? >> RACHEL I WANT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE SIGNAGE.

I KNOW THAT IN THE PRESENTATION IT IS SAID THAT TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT COULD BE PUT OUT THERE WE HAVE A BUILDING LIKE THIS AND IT IS COHABITATED WITH TWO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.

IS THERE A SPECIAL RULES THAT APPLY TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF SIGNS ALLOWED ALSO WITH THE FACT THAT TOMMY SANDS WOULD BE ALLOWED? HOW MANY STREET AND WHAT YOU CONSIDER AT FRONTAGE STREET TO ALLOW THIS TO DICTATE THE NUMBERS?

>> IN THIS PUD THEY ALLOWED ONE SIGN PER BUILDING FACADE. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE REAR OF THE BUILDING SO THEY CAN HAVE SIGNS ON THE NORTH, THE EAST AND THE SOUTH.OT THE WEST. THE WEST WOULD BE CONSIDERED THEIR REAR BASED ON THE DESIGN

AND FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING. >> SO WHEN YOU SAY NORTH, EAST AND WEST ARE SAYING THAT THEY

CAN HAVE A BANK OF AMERICA SIGN AND M B,ÁCUSTOMÁ THAT'S CORRECT. >> AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOTAGE IS CONCERNED, SAY THERE IS ONLY ONE TENANT IN THIS BUILDING. HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WOULD EACH

OF THOSE THREE SIGNS AND WITH THE ORDINANCE ALLOW? >> I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE PERCENTAGE BASED ON THE PANEL SIZE SO IT IS 70% OF THE HEIGHT AND 85% OF THE WITH.

AND SO THE AREAS THAT ARE NOT DETAILED WITH THE PRAIRIE STYLE DETAIL ARE THE AREAS THAT THEY

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DON'T KNOW THE OVERALL. I DON'T KNOW THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE NUMBER.

>> WHEN YOU COME TO THE COMMITTEE. >> 11 NUMBER FOR YOU.

>> I AM INTERESTED IN KNOWING YOU EACH ONE OF THOSE SIGNS JUST TO BRING THAT INFORMATION.

>> STEVE THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID THAT I WANT TO JUST CLARIFY MY MIND IF YOU WOULDN'T

MIND COMING BACK FOR A SECOND. >> AND STEVE SPOKE NOT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PETITIONER GIVES I GUESS THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS ASK THE PETITIONER FOR THEIR CONSENT TO

LET STEVE TAKE QUESTIONS TONIGHT. >> AND I DO WITH THE QUESTION

IS? >> IS SOMETHING HE SAID. >> IT'S NO BIG DEAL BUT IF I'M GOING TO SAY IT WANTS TO YOU AND THEN AGAIN, STEVE YOU MENTIONED, I WAS ON THIS AT THE TIME BUT I WAS WHEN SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMITTEE AFTER IT STARTED TO DEVELOP THE DREAD WHERE HE STARTED COMING OUT. YOU MENTIONED AND I THINK YOU

SAID A BANK WAS ALWAYS PLANNED FOR THIS THOUGHT. >> YES.

>> WE HAD AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE MARKET DISTRICT WHERE WE ACTUALLY LAY THAT OUT AS A BANK BUT IT WAS AT THEIR OPTION. IT WAS CAN IT BE A PARKING LOT TILL THEY SAID IT DIDNT HAVE TO BE A PARKING LOT. AND THEN BASICALLY THE ARRANGEMENT WAS OF A BANK CAME IN HERE AND TAKES THIS LAND TO BUILD A BRANCH THEIR LAND LEASE WOULD BE REDUCED ACCORDINGLY.

>> SO THAT WHERE THAT SPOT IS THERE'S BEEN A SURPRISE THAT A BANK IS GOING IN THERE.

>> HOW MANY OTHER BANKS ARE IN THE BRIDGES? >> IS JUST ONE OTHER BANK

WHICH IS A REGIONS BANK. >> HOW MANY OTHER? ARE THERE ANY OTHER FINANCIAL

SERVICES BUSINESSES? >> SAYS ENTIRE PROJECT WHEN I FIRST STARTED WAS ABOUT 63 ACRES AND SOME OF THE GROUND WAS LOST DUE TO THE BUILDING IN ILLINOIS STREET WITH OTHER IMPROVEMENTS. THERE IS 21 ACRES AND A BANK COULD GO THERE.

RIGHT NOW THERE'S TWO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS THAT'S OUT THERE. >> THAT'S REGIONS IN THE

SURVEY THE SECOND. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> IS THEIR ENTRANCE INTO THE PARKING LOT OFF OF THE ATTACK? CAN TELL RIGHT THERE. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE OF OUR

ACCESS. >> IS AN EXISTING ENTRANCE TO EXIT AND EXIT AND THAT WILL BE

MAINTAINED. >> THE BRIDGES TO ME AS A LITTLE BIT OF A MESS.

WE GOT HIGH DENSITY NO PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE. YOU CAN FIND A PARKING LOT OR PARKING SPACE TO SAVE YOUR LIFE. YOU GOT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC BOTH EAST, WEST NORTH AND SOUTH. AND THEN YOU HAVE A HUGE EMPTY PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH SIDE OF MARKET DISTRICT. I CONCUR WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD TONIGHT. I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF HOW WE SEE THIS DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE. IS THAT THE RIGHT BUILDING FOR THE PARKING LOT? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO HOW THIS IS FINISHED OUT. THAT IS TO CREATE MORE TRAFFIC ON THE EAST AND WEST STREET.

PEOPLE ARE ZIPPING IN OFF THE ROUNDABOUT OFF ILLINOIS AND PEOPLE ARE STOPPING TO TURN INTO THAT PARKING LOT THAT CAN ACCRETE A BALD BOTTLENECK AND HAZARD.

I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT ELSE HAPPENS IN THE BRIDGES AT THIS

POINT. >> REMEMBER THIS PARCEL BEING AN OPTION WHEN IT FIRST CAME

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THESE IN THAT LOT OR AS A SET? >> I THINK THE POTENTIAL IS THERE.

>> DIDN'T WE APPROVE IT NEEDING THAT MUCH PARKING FOR THE GROCERY STORE? THIS ONE WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN I AGREE WITH THAT.

CAN THERE BE ANYONE LINES? >> A MEMBER THIS BEING THIS WAY.

>> I WOULD BE VERY DISCOURAGED IF THERE WERE ANY ROUTE LOTS IS THE POINT IN TRYING TO MAKE.

I DO WANT TO SEE THAT CORNER LOOK TO THE SCOPE OF THE REST OF THE ROUNDABOUT.

REGARDING SOME MONEY IN THERE AND WE WANT THIS CORNER TO BE HIS HANDS AS THE OTHER

CORONARIES ARE. >> OC AT THE COMMITTEE. >> A COUPLE THINGS WE NEED.

YOU NEED TO HAVE A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE FRONT DOOR FROM ILLINOIS.

WE TALK ABOUT GREEN AND WE CAN PUT MORE TREES ON THE LAST ON SOUTH SIDE TO SEPARATE IT OFF A

LITTLE THAT IT COULD BE A PARKING LOT ON THE; >> JOHN COULD YOU ELABORATE WHEREAS ON THE GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STREET AND THE SITE? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS CORNER IS MUCH AS I AM A GECKO WHERE IT MAY BE AS MUCH A 6 FEET OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE

TWO. >> I WAS GONNA MENTION THAT IN RESPONSE TO A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT PUTTING THE BUILDING RIGHT ON ILLINOIS ARE AT LEAST CLOSER.

THERE'S NOT 6 FEET AT AROUND 4 FEET OF GREAT DIFFERENCE. IT PRESENTS A BIG CHALLENGE AND FRANKLY MAY NOT WORK WITH HAVING A GREAT DIFFERENCE TO TIE INTO THE EXISTING PARKING LOT. THAT'S ALSO WHY WE HAVE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS SORT OF OUT AND AROUND A LITTLE BIT ILLINOIS BECAUSE STRAIGHT ACCESS WE CAN'T WITH ADA OBVIOUSLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS MAKE THAT DIRECT CONNECTIONS WITHOUT A SWITCHBACK OR SOMETHING MORE THAT WOULD TAKE UP A LOT OF THE GREEN SPACE AND ATTRACT ANY UNWANTED ATTENTION.

IT'S MORE OF A SUBSTANTIAL STRUCTURE IN THE BUILDING. ASKED US TO PICK THE NEXT COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE. MY OTHER CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THE VISIBILITY OF ROOFTOP MECHANICALS AND MAKING SURE THAT THE EAST ELEVATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH A SITE THAT IS THREE OR 4 FEET BELOW GRADE FOR TRAFFIC PASSING ON ILLINOIS STREET.

YOU CAN BE LOOKING AT THE UPPER HALF OF THE BUILDING SO THAT'S WHERE DESIGN ENERGY SHOULD BE

FOCUSED AT LEAST FOR THE EAST ELEVATION I THINK. >> THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR.

>> AND LOOKING AT THE ENGINEERING TEMPO AND I'M SEEING ABOUT 2 FEET OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CURVE IN THE PARKING LOT. PRESUMABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE ASSESSMENT AND ENGINEERING JS IS ACCURATE. I STILL DON'T SEE THAT IS INSURMOUNTABLE AND I THINK ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO ILLINOIS.

WE CAN MAYBE SHIFT THE ROLE PARKING TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND PUT SOME TREES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING SO THAT WE ARE COVERING SOME OF THE EXPANSIVE SEA OF BEAUTIFUL

ARCHITECTURE. >> THAT'S A LITTLE FACETIOUS BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE BRICK AND DETAILS. JUST MAYBE A FEW TREES ON THE BACKSIDE WOULD BE GOOD.

I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE BRIDGES ARE VICTIM OF ITS OWN SUCCESS WITH SO MANY PEOPLE WANTING TO SHOP THERE. I THINK IT'S A PRETTY BUILDING

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>> JUST A QUICK COMMENT ON A QUESTION. I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE THE MEETING BUT I NEED TO HAVE IT ON THE RECORD. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CURRENT OWNERS THAT SINCE THEY ARE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM BUILDING MORE ON THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE ENTRANCES BETTER THAN THEY HAVE WITH AN L REPAIR.

IT'S LIKE DRIVING IN AN OLD JAMESTOWN COBBLESTONE STREET WHEN YOU ENTER THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT THROUGH THIS PROJECT BUT WE NEED TO SEE THAT THEY PLAN TO MAINTAIN IT BETTER THAN THEY ARE.

>> I'M GOING TO REQUEST OVER MAKES A MOTION THAT THIS COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A FULL VOTE RATHER THAN HAVE FINAL APPROVAL. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE ON A COMMISSION THAT HAVE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS THAT THEIR INPUT AT THE END

WOULD BE SATISFACTORY IF NOT NECESSARY. >> I MOVED TO MAKE A MOTION

CLICK SECOND. >> ONE LAST COMMENT FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT FOR THE COMMITTEE AND CONSIDERATION. MCDONALD'S AND CVS TO NAME AT LEAST TWO AND THERE MAY BE OTHER INSTANCES NOT ONLY INCORPORATED THE EARTH TONE PANELS AND THE SOFFITS OR AREAS BUT ALSO A PERRY MATISSE. CHIEF OF FLEET OR OTHER DESIGNS AND NOT REALLY AS AN EXTRA TOUCH THAT MADE AN AWFUL LOT OF DIFFERENCE PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO MCDONALD'S. IF THE COMMITTEE AND THE CONDITION PETITIONER CAN

CONSIDER THAT I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. >> I WANT TO ADDRESS THE DEPARTMENT HELP ME REMEMBER THIS BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN THE BRIDGES CAME THROUGH AND WE HAVE LINED THE ROAD UP WITH TEMPLES ROADS ACROSS THE STREET.

THERE WASN'T AS MUCH PARKING AT MARKET DISTRICT AT THAT TIME. THE PD PASSED THAT WAY CORRECT? AND THEN THE PETITIONER CAME BACK IN AND SAID THAT IN THIS PARTY TO REMEMBER.

I KNOW WE HAD TO RELOCATE THE ROAD AND ANYONE ELSE CAN REMEMBER THIS.

I'M NOT SURE WHY WE HAD TO BUT FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT THE MORMON DIDN'T WANT THEM LINED UP IN TEMPLE ROAD BUT I CAN BARELY REMEMBER. THIS PD HAD ARTIE BEEN APPROVED AT THAT TIME OTHER THAN CHANGING THAT. THESE OUT BUILDINGS AND THINGS

WERE TALKING ABOUT NOW OR NEVER CONSIDERATION CORRECT? >> I REMEMBER THIS BEING A

CONSIDERATION BUT I NEED TO GO BACK AND CHECK MY MEMORY. >> I BELIEVE YOU THAT THIS WAS ON THERE BUT I CAN'T MEMBER BEING ON THERE. MOVING FORWARD CAN WE JUST DO LIKE MYERS IS DONE AND OUT BUILDINGS ACROSS AS LONG AS MARKET DISTRICT GETS THE MINIMUM? HOW DOES THIS WORK? WE CHANGE THAT AFTER THE PUD.

I KNOW WE DID THAT. WE NEVER DISCUSSED ANY OUTLINE BUILDINGS AT THAT POINT.

>> I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY WE CHANGED IT BUT WE DID. I WANT TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE IN-DEPTH ON THE HISTORY AND TIMELINE OF AND I CAN HAVE THAT FOR THE NEXT COMMITTEE.O LAY IT OUT AND THEN ALSO TO DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING. THE WAY I READ IT IT DIDN'T SPECIFY THIS CORNER ONLY FOR AN OUTLAY WHICH MAKES ME THINK THERE COULD BE MORE.

>> THAN WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AT A BIGGER PICTURE. -THINK ONE OF THE PEOPLE SPEAKING ADDRESSED THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THE LAYOUT. THE BRIDGES DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING. IT'S A NIGHTMARE. THAT'S BECAUSE WE PUSH THE PARKING LOT BACK IN 2011 OUT. THERE WOULD'VE BEEN MORE PARKING UP THERE AT THE TIME.

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>> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY I THINK MISTER RYDER WAS THE BIGGEST ADVOCATE TO LINE THOSE ENTRANCES UP WITH THE CHURCH. REALLY PUSH FOR THAT. AS FAR AS A MCDONALD'S IS CONCERNED YOU ARE RIGHT BRAD. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN COMMITTEE TRYING TO GET THAT TO HAVE JUST THE RIGHT LOOK INCLUDING THE DRIVE-THROUGH CANOPIES.

I THINK THEY FOUGHT THIS BUT WHEN EVERYTHING WAS SO CAME OUT A MUCH BETTER PROJECT.

HOPEFULLY WILL WEAVE A MOTION AND SECONDED. WE ARE SENDING THIS TO THE NEIGHBOR TO RETURN FOR FINAL APPROVAL BY THIS FULL-BODY. THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SAY

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