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[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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WELCOME TO THE COMMON COUNSEL MEETING. FOR MONDAY, OCTOBER 4, 2021.

I WILL BE LEADING THIS MEETING REMOTELY THIS EVENING. BARRING ANY TECHNOLOGY PROBLEM

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

THAT IS. I'M CALLING THIS NEED TO ORDER. ITEM TO AN AGENT IS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE WE WILL MOVE ON. WITH THE VOTE I'M SORRY THAT IS.

WE WILL HAVE TO DO A VOICE VOTE SO FIRST UP COUNSELOR CAMPBELL? >> I APPEARED.

>> COUNSELOR GREEN? >> I APPEARED. >> COUNSELOR TONY GREEN 3.

>> I APPEARED. >> COUNSELOR RIDER? >> COUNSELOR ROYAL?

>> I APPEARED. >> COUNSELOR NELSON? >> I.

[3. INVOCATION]

>> COUNSELOR HANAN?> I APPEARED. >> THANK YOU THE AGENDA IS APPROVED. ITEM 3 IS OUR EVOCATION ELECTIVE WELCOME PASTOR BRIAN

BAKER. >> FROM NORTHVIEW CHURCH. >> LET US PRAY.

HEAVENLY FATHER WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TY. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SOVEREGNTY OVER THE CITY. THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE IT IS TO SERVE YOU.

AND TO SERVE THE PEOPLE THAT HAT LIVED IN THE CITY SPECIFICALLY TONIGHT THAT WE ASKED THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED THAT ARE MANY, THE I COME WILL BE FRUITFUL FOR THOSE THAT ARE SITTING HERE ON THE COUNCIL AND AGENDA ITEMS WILL BE FRUITFUL FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN 12 IN THE CITY CALLED CARMEL THEIR HOME. LORD BEAST SPECIFICALLY LEAD UP THE LEADERSHIP THAT'S IN THE ROOM. THAT EACH ONE OF YOU WILL BE GRACED BY WISDOM, FOR CLARITY, BY YOUR VISION ASCII WILL LISTEN WELL THAT WE WILL RESPECTFULLY COMMUNICATE WELL. LORD THAT YOUR SPIRIT WILL PHONE THEM THAT YOUR VISION WILL BE CLEARLY COMMUNICATED THROUGH EACH ONE OF THE RD. IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PSOVEREIGNTY.

WE THANK YOU FOR YUR GRACE LORD.PRAY FOR A MORE MUSIC WELCOME TO CALLED CARMEL YOU

YOUR HOME. >> WE PRAISE YOU AND ALL THE GLORY IS YOURS.

WE PRAY ALL OF THIS IN YOUR JESUS. AMEN.

[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

>>? PASTOR BAKER AND ALL THAT YOU DO TO HELP BUILD THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. IF YOU NOW JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND VICE PRESIDENT WRITER IF HE WILL LEAVE THIS AND THAT I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM 5, RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS. WE HAVE NONE ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. ITEM 6 IS RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCILL. JACOB, DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO HE COUNSEL BACK

TONIGHT?> WE DO NOT HAVE ANY BLUE CARDS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT MAKES IT IMMEASURABLY EASIER. >> ITEM 7 IS COUNCIL AND MARROW COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS. DO ANY COUNSELORS WISH TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME?

>> NONE FOR ME THANK YOU. >> ALL CLEAR MADAM PRESIDENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

THIS WILL BE THE LONG WE HAVE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM 8 A IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR 8 A1 SEPTEMBER 20, 2021 REGULAR MEETING. ITEM 8 A TO A SEPTEMBER 20,

20.1 EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> WERE GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE

AGENDA. >> AB CLAIMS IS GENERAL CLAIMS AMOUNT OF $2,600,463.70.

>> MOVED TO O APPROVE. TO BE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? HEARING THEN WE WILL DO A VOICE VOTE. TR[VOTING]

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. ITEM 9 IS ACTION ON MARROW VETOES.E HAVE DONE THIS EVENING. ITEM 10 ARE COMMITTEE REPORTS.

ATTENDING IS A FINANCE, UTILITIES RULES COMMITTEE. CHAIRMAN WORRELL.

>> THINK ABOU A PRESIDENT WE MET ON SEPTEMBER 22 WE HAD 5 ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA WE GOT THROUGH ALL GH ALL 5. WE STILL HAVE ONE PENDING WHICH IS A REVIEW OF KING IMPACT FEES.

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I WILL RETURN AND DISCUSS ALL 5 ITEMS WHEN WE GET TO THEM ON EACH AGENDA ITEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 10 B IS LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE.

CHAIRMAN RIDER? >> WE HAVE NOT MET. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ITEM 10 C IS ALL REPORTS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIR TO QUALIFY FOR PLACEMENT UNDER THIS CATEGORY. QUALIFY FOR BASEMENT IS A REPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNSELOR HANNON TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON

THAT. >> THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT. WE MET AS A COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE ON WEDNESDAY THE 29TH. THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS HR RELATED ISSUES AS ALL OF YOU I'M SURE ARE AWARE. THERE WAS SEXUAL HARASSMENT INCIDENT WHICH LED TO THE REZONING CORPORATE COUNSEL IN A VARIETY OF OTHER R OUTCOMES AND WE RESOLVED AS A COMMITTEE THAT WE ULD PUBLISH THE REPORTS OR FINDINGS OF THAT REPORT. I THINK EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO NOT HAVE A SIMILAR INCIDENT OCCUR AGAIN.

WE MET IN OUR FIRST MEETING ON WEDNESDAY THE 29TH. PRESENT WAS DIRECTOR LAMP, CORPORATE COUNSEL OBERLANDER. WE WENT THROUGH A VARIETY OF AT LEAST INITIAL POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS FROM A PROCEDURAL AND A POLICY STANDPOINT. I WOULD PUT THEM INTO 4 CATEGORIES FOR RECOGNITION OF AN INCIDENT, REPORTING OF IT INCIDENT, RESPONSE TO THE INCIDENT AND A TIMELY FASHION AND RESOLUTION AS WELL. THAT WORK IS STILL IN PROCESS.

OF RIGHT NOW I WILL BE WORKING WITH THE DIRECTOR LAMP AND COUNSEL OVER OBERLANDER TO FOLLOW UP ON THEIR SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS BASED UPON AT LEAST A DRAFT SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADDRESS THOSE 4 HOURS. I WILL ALSO BE WORKING WITH COUNSELOR AMPBELL AND OTHERS IN TERMS OF THE INDINGS. WE HAVE NOT SET OUR NEXT MEETING. I WAS WAITING UNTIL I COULD RECONVERT WITH DIRECTOR LAM AND

COUNSEL OBERLANDER BUT I EXPECT THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT 2 WEEKS. >> MADAM CHAIRMAN, MADAM

PRESIDENT I SHOULD SAY. >> YES, SIR? >> COUNSELOR R HANNON GOOD.

>> CAN YOU SPECIFY WHAT KIND OF AN ISSUE WE WERE DEALING WITH? >> WORKPLACE HARASSMENT.

IF YOU WANT MORE GENERAL TERM BUT AGAIN THIS WAS SORT OF COMMON OWLEDGE IN THE PAPER.

AS I MENTIONED THIS COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY MOVED TO BOTH PUBLISH FINDINGS OF OUR INVESTIGATION THAT WE DID AS A COUNCIL. AS I SAID IT MUST'VE PARTLY IS TO PUT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE TO HELP PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.

[11. OTHER REPORTS – (at the first meeting of the month specified below):]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP HIS OTHER REPORTS. 11 ON THE AGENDA 11 A IS A CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION'S MONTHLY REPORT. DIRECTOR MS. HISKEY

. >> HE'S GETTING HOOKED UP MADAM RESIDENT.

X THANK YOU VERY RY MUCH. >> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, HENRY MISS GESKE REDEVELOPMENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. I WILL QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.

WE ENDED OUR AUGUST FINANCIALS WITH $4.3 MILLION OF UNRESTRICTED FUNDS.

MOST WILL MILLION DOLLARS OF RESTRICTED FUNDS IN THE . FOR ONGOING PROJECTS, PLAYFAIR HOLLAND IS MAKING GOOD PROGRESS. INDUSTRIES OPENED AT THE END OF LAST MONTH ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING. FEEL FREE TO COME CHECK OUT THE SPACE. IT'S A PRETTY GREAT THAT THESE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT GROW A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES CONTINUE TO PICK CENTRAL CARMEL, CARMEL CORE AS A LOCATION. THE KENT IS LEASING. THE PRESIDIUM CONTINUES.

ITS ONSTRUCTION. THE GRASS THERE IS GREEN NOW. I'VE SEEN EARLY LANS FOR THE Ã AGREED THAT'S GOOD BECOMING. IT WILL BE EXCITING SPOT IN THE CENTER OF PRESIDIUM TO HAVE PROVIDE COMPLEMENTARY AMENITY TO MIDTOWN PLAZA. THE LAUNCH CONTINUES TO DO SITE WORK AS IT PREPS. I THINK LAST TIME THEY HAVEN'T RELEASED ADDITIONAL TOWNHOMES.

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LAST TIME I MENTIONED THAT 14 AND 16 HAVE BEEN SOLD. LOT 1 CONTINUES TO BE IN FINAL DESIGN AND I SUSPECT WE WILL HAVE RENDERINGS OF THIS PROJECT NEXT MONTH.

MAGNOLIA IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW. THE FLATS PORTION OF MAGNOLIA IS IN CONSTRUCTION NOW. CORNER IS MOVING ALONG AS WELL. AND FRANCISCAN END ZONE TAX.

THE SIGNATURE PROJECT HAS MOVED THROUGH FULL APPROVAL THROUGH THE CITY.

AND WERE WAITING FOR THEM TO FILE THEIR BUILDING PERMITS. THIS IS A VIEW OF THE CIVIC SQUARE PARKING GARAGE THAT THIS COUNCIL AUTHORIZED REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO PURSUE. IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE 303 SPACES.

SOLAR COMPONENT ON THE ROOF. ELECTRIC VEHICLE REFERENCE THROUGHOUT THE GARAGE AND A CAR COUNTER. CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO START JANUARY 2022 AND BE DONE BY JULY 2022. WHAT YOU SEE IN THAT IMAGE TO THE WEST AND THE NORTH OF THE NEW PARKING GARAGE OUR THOUGHT CONDOS, FOR SELF CONDOS THAT WRAP THE NORTH AND THE WEST SIDE OF IT. THAT'S A PRETTY NICE VIEW OF OUR CENTRAL CORE.

THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY PROJECT THAT THE RE DEPONENT COMMISSION IS DOING A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWNSHIP, THE DESIGN FOR THAT IS CURRENTLY ONGOING. AND FINALLY WE ARE MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER ON PRESIDIUM TO AND THEY WILL BE FILED WITH THE CITY FOR APPROVAL SOON.

WITHOUT THEM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR FROM THE COUNCIL? >> MADAM PRESIDENT?

>> YES SIR. >> DIRECTOR, SASKIA. THE CORNER PROJECT.

HAS BEEN I BELIEVE BEHIND CHAIN-LINK FENCE NOW FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

CAN YOU, I'M GETTING CALLS ABOUT IT. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE WONDERING WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON. WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG.

CAN YOU GO THROUGH, CAN WE EXPECT ANY DIRT TO RETURN YET THIS YEAR AND A B FILL IN ANY ONE THAT MIGHT BE WONDERING ABOUT THAT CORNER? WHAT IS TAKING SO LONG AND WHAT

CHALLENGES HAVE THERE BEEN ON THAT SIDE OF ANY? >> THAT PROJECT HAD BEEN MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH CITY APPROVALS, DESIGN APPROVALS, THE TLS PROCESS.

IT ACTUALLY HAS RECEIVED FULL APPROVALS. FOR A DLS REVIEW.

NOW ALL 3 OF THOSE BUILDINGS, BUILDING A, BUILDING B ON THE GARAGE ARE IN FOR BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW. AND ACTUALLY IF YOU PASS BY THAT SITE TODAY CONSTRUCTION HAS ESSENTIALLY STARTED. THEY HAVE THEIR SITE WORK APPROVAL.

IF YOU GO BY THAT SITE TODAY THERE IS PROBABLY 4 OR 5 VEHICLES MOVING DIRT ALREADY.

I HOPE, THEY WILL START DOING SITE WORK ALREADY.HEY HAVE STARTED.

I HOPE TO SEE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION SOON. IT MAY NOT HAPPEN UNTIL EARLY NEXT YEAR. BUT, CONSTRUCTION HAS ESSENTIALLY BEGUN ON THAT SITE.

>> ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> MADAM PRESIDENT, THIS IS COUNSELOR HANNON. >> YES COUNSELOR.

>> DIRECTOR COULD GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE HOTEL FINANCES, REVENUE AND EXPENSES WHERE WE

ARE COMPARED TO PROJECTING. >> FOR THE LAST 2 MONTHS I THINK REPORTED THAT JUNE AND JULY WERE BOTH MILLION-DOLLAR MONTHS. THAT WAS ABOVE PROJECTIONS.

AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER HAVE ALSO BEEN BOTH MILLION-DOLLAR MONTHS.

THAT'S ALSO BEEN ABOVE PROJECTIONS. SO SO FAR THIS HOTEL IS MEETING

ALL EXPECTATIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, I ALSO, THERE'S A REPORT LATER TODAY FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. I WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE THAT

REPORT AND I CAN GET THAT NOW IF THE COUNCIL WISHES. >> THAT WOULD BE FINE, THANK

YOU DIRECTOR. >> REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MET ONCE IN THE LAST 6 MONTHS TO APPROVE THE 60 MILLION-DOLLAR ROAD BONDS. THAT IS IT.

THE REST OF THE BONDS HAVE ALL BEEN DONE THROUGH THE BOND BANK.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. >> ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RDA FOR DIRECTOR SASKIA?

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ALL RIGHT HEARING NONE. THANK YOU AND WE WILL GO BACK TO THE CARMEL HISTORIC PRESERVATION REPORT. WE HAVE JOSHUA BANKS HERE TO GET THAT REPORT TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING MADAM PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCIL, NEAR BRAINERD. JOSHUA BANKS AT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION. BRIEFLY REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE UPDATED CARMEL AND CLAY TOWNSHIP ARCHITECTURE SURVEY IS COMPLETE. SEE HPC STAFF AND COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE REVIEWED THE SURVEY FINDINGS. AND HAVE PROVIDED FEEDBACK TO THE SURVEYORS. IT'S A SURVEY FROM OUR QA W. FOR THOSE FINAL ADJUSTMENTS.

THE FINAL HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL SURVEY WAS APPROVED FOR ADOPTION BY THE COMMISSION ON JULY 8. THEN THAT WILL PROCEED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

LATER ON. DURING THE QUARTER, THE COMMISSION PASSED A MOTION TO ISSUE $25,000 FOR FAC'ADE GRANT. HER EXCUSE ME FOR FAC'ADE IMPROVEMENT GRANTS.

WITH FUNDS TO BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE 2021 GENERAL BUDGET. ON SEPTEMBER 9 THE COMMISSION APPROVED FUNDING OF 4 OF THE 5 ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS. TOTAL APPROVED FUNDING WAS APPROXIMATELY $13,000. 25 PERCENT OF THE PROJECT COST EQUAL $20,000 WITH COMPLETED PROJECTS, LEVERAGING OVER $80,000 IN PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES.

AND, THE COMMISSION ANTICIPATES HOLDING ANOTHER ROUND OF FAC'AD GRANTS LATER LATE NEXT SPRING.

AFTER THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE SURVEY UPDATE IS HOPEFULLY APPROVED BY YOU THE COUNCIL.

APPROXIMATELY 1600 PROPERTY OWNERS WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE FAC'ADE GRANT PROGRAM IN THE FUTURE. YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THE PROGRESS.

CON COMMUNITIES DEVELOPMENT AT SMOKY WELL ROAD. THE DONATION AGREEMENT FOR THE HISTORIC WILKINSON WHOLE HOUSE IN 1850S HOME. HAS BEEN SIGNED BY INDIAN LANDMARKS AND AWAITS FINAL SIGNATURES FROM M: THE DEVELOPER.

ONCE THAT TRANSFER IS COMPLETE INDIANA LANDMARKS WILL BEGIN STABILIZATION AND RESTORATION WORK TO THE PROPERTY. AND THEN TO LAST ITEMS AIRED THE COMMISSION VOTED TO APPROVE A GRANT FOR THE INSTALLATION OF HISTORICAL MARKER NEAR 116TH AND HAVE HER STICK ROAD.

COMMEMORATING THE UNINCORPORATED SETTLEMENT OF MASTERBUILT.

THE AREA HAS TIES TO QUAKERS AND EARLY HAMILTON COUNTY PSETTLEMENT.

AND THERE IS A BUILDING STILL ASKED THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH A FORMER MOUNDSVILLE COMMUNITY.

THEN LASTLY, THROUGHOUT THE PREVIOUS QUARTER STAFF CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE REVIEW OF IMPROVED LOCATION PERMITS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES. PER THE STIPULATIONS OF THE 60 DAY DEMOLITION DELAY ORDINANCE. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOSHUA? >> THERE ARE NONE MADAM

PRESIDENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU JOSHUA.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. >> 11 SEASON REPORT FOR THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. THAT'S THE COUNCIL PRODUCT WE WILL HAVE VERBAL REPORT THIS EVENING. ITEM 12 IS OLD BUSINESS. ITEM 12 A IS A SECOND READING ORDINANCE D Ã2596 Ã21.N ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNSEL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AUTHORIZING THE ISSUES OF ECONOMIC DEVOTE TAX INCREMENT REVENUE BONDS TO SUPPORT THE HAMILTON CROSSING DEPONENT PROJECT AND AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING OTHER ACTIONS IN RESPECT THERETO. THIS IS RETURNING FROM THAT FINANCING UTILITIES RULES

COMMITTEE. GERMAN WORRELL. >> WE STILL HAD 11 K.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR. >> 11 K WE DO HAVE 2 ITEMS THERE THANK YOU.

A VICTIM OF MY OWN SYSTEM HERE. FIRST UP WE HAVE JEFF MCDERMOTT FOR THE CENTER FOR THE

PERFORMING ARTS. >> COUNCILMEMBERS I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU BRIEFLY TONIGHT. A FEW OF YOU HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME AND HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEW PROTOCOLS, TEMPORARY PROTOCOLS WE PUT INTO PLACE AT THE CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS FOR OUR CENTER PRESENTS PERFORMANCES FOR OUR RESIDENT COMPANIES, EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS AND THAT SORT OF THING. I WANT TO OFFER CLARIFICATION AS I HAVE 2 OF YOU A VIEW OVER THE TELEPHONE AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY.

AS YOU KNOW WE HAD VERY FEW PATRONS FOR ABOUT 18 MONTHS. AT THE CENTER FOR THE

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PERFORMING ARTS DUE TO COVID. WE WERE ABLE TO DO SOME THINGS WITH SOME SOCIAL DISTANCING.

LARGELY WE WENT TO VIRTUAL PROGRAMMING WHICH ALL THINGS CONSIDERED WAS ACTUALLY QUITE SUCCESSFUL. AS WE HAVE SEEMINGLY STARTED TO COME OUT OF COVID THERE HOPING TO HAVE NORMAL PROGRAMMING WITH PROTOCOLS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

HOWEVER THE DELTA VARIANT AND OTHER THINGS HAVE GEARED UP THE CDC HAS COME OUT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IF ANYTHING MORE WE SHOULD BE DOING. HAND-IN-HAND WITH THAT WE HAD ARTIST WE HAVE ALREADY BOOKED. WE'VE ANNOUNCED A SEASON OF OVER 50 CENTER PRESENTS PERFORMANCES AND OUR COMPANIES WITH MANY PERFORMANCES SCHEDULED.

WE HAD A NUMBER OF SIGNIFICANT ARTIST, VARDY BOOKED AND ARTISTS ARE DOING THIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE SAYING THEY WILL NOT PERFORM VIDEOS THAT DON'T HAVE THE TYPES OF 4 PROTOCOLS THAT WE HAVE PUT INTO PLACE. WE LOOKED AT THAT AND CONSIDERED OUR OPTIONS. WE DID IT QUITE A BIT OF DUE ILIGENCE.

WE CHECKED OUT CDC GUIDELINES, WE HAVE CHECKED OUT HAMILTON COUNTY HEALTH GUIDELINES.

WE HAVE TALKED WITH OUR LIVE NATION PARTNER WHICH OF COURSE IS THE LARGEST OPERATOR OF VENUES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE HAVE CHECKED BOTH VARIOUS OTHER SOURCES, SCHOOLS AND OTHER INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US TO COME UP WITH STRATA PROTOCOLS THAT WE FELT WERE APPROPRIATE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES TO NUMBER-ONE PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY OF OUR PATRONS, OUR VENUES, OUR BUSINESS. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE BUSINESS INTEREST AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO PROTECT THOSE AS WELL AS OUR EMPLOYEES.

WE ALSO WANT TO MAKESURE THAT WE WERE NOT DOING THINGS THAT WERE INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR INDUSTRY. WE KNOW PEOPLE HAVE DISAGREEMENTS.

ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AT VENUES SUCH AS OURS. NOPE WE DID NOT THINK WE WOULD RECEIVE SOME CRITICISM. WE KNEW IF WE DID SOMETHING WE WOULD RECEIVE SOME CRITICISM.

IT CAME DOWN TO MAKING SURE WE WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR AGAIN OUR BUSINESS AND OUR PATRONS AND OUR EMPLOYEES. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN AND I THINK I SHARED WITH YOU IN AN EMAIL SITE FROM THE INDIANAPOLIS STAR LISTING VARIOUS VENUES. WE ARE NOT ALONE IN THIS.

VENUES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE INSTITUTING PROTOCOL SUCH AS OURS AND LOCALLY VENUES THAT ARE DOING THAT INCLUDE BROWN COUNTY MUSIC CENTER, THE ARRAY, THE HI-FI ON VIRGINIA AVENUE.

INDIANA REPERTORY THEATER INDIANA SYMPHONIC CHOIR.THE INDIANAPOLIS SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA. FRENCH, OLD NATIONAL CENTER. PHOENIX THEATRE, ROTH MUSIC CENTER ON THE TCU AMPHITHEATER DOWN AT WHITE RIVER AND THE WHITE RIVER STATE PARK.

AGAIN I WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO YOU, TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE NO AGENDA HERE OTHER THAN PROTECTION OF THE THINGS I HAVE DESCRIBED MAKING SURE WE ARE FALLING IN LINE AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE AUDIENCES BACK. I WANTED TO REFERENCE, I KNOW ONE OF OUR RESIDENT COMPANY DIRECTORS PUT OUT SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING WE WERE DOING.

NOBODY WANTS TO DO THIS BUT WE FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO DO THIS.

OUR RESIDENT COMPANIES WERE ALL VERY SUPPORTIVE. MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE SAID WAS IN THE MINORITY BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK AND RECEIVING BACK OVERWHELMING SUPPORTS OUR DECISION TO DO THIS FOR THE REASONS I'VE STATED.

WE DID HAVE ONE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY SAY SOMETHING ON THE LINES OF I PREDICT A LOT OF EMPTY SEATS IN YOUR VENUES. THIS RESIDENT COMPANY LEADER SAID WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THEY'VE ALL BEEN EMPTY FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS. WE REALLY NEED TO DO THIS.

FOR THE REASONS THAT I'VE DESCRIBED. I HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND OF THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE DOING IT FOR THE REASONS WE THINK ARE BEST FOR NOT ONLY OUR ORGANIZATION OR RESIDENT COMPANIES IN THE CITY OF CARMEL.

PERFECTLY HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT IT.

>> THANK YOU COUNSELOR COUNTRY 3 CLICKERS THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT.

THANK YOU MR. CDERMOTT. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM A PURE BUSINESS DECISION PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU WERE TO NOT HAVE THESE POLICIES IN PLACE.

FOR R ONE AS UNDERSTAND THE ACTORS AND DO NOT HAVE A SEASON BECAUSE OF THEIR UNION RULES IF THESE RULES WEREN'T IN PLACE. BIG NAMES LIKE BEN FOLDS, JOHN LEGEND WOULD BE COUNSELING.

FINANCIALLY WHAT WITH THIS BEING FOR THAT CENTER A PERFORMING ARTS IF YOU WERE TO HAVE ACTS LIKE THAT WHO DID COUNCIL AND HE LOST ALL OF THAT?

ARE YOU CLEANED? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? >> CANCEL THANK YOU COUNCIL.

WITH REGARDS TO ACT AS THEATERS ACTORS EQUITY REQUIRES THAT ACTORS PERFORM ONLY IN VENUES

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THAT HAVE THESE TYPES OF COVID PROTOCOLS. ACTORS EQUITY WORD PREVENT ATI FROM PERFORMING IN OUR VENUES. THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY DEVASTATING TO THEM AND WOULD CERTAINLY HURT US IN THE COMMUNITY. MAJOR, UNDERSTANDING THAT ARTIST THAT WE HAVE, WE ARE NOT A REWARD FOR OLD NATIONAL. WE ARE NONPROFIT.

WE HAVE A MISSION. WE HAVE ARTIST THAT WE BRING IN THAT WE WON'T MAKE MONEY OFF OF. A FOR-PROFIT WOULDN'T DO THAT. WE DO BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND IT ADVANCES OUR MISSION. IF ARTIST LIKE THAT DIDN'T COME IT'S NOT AN EARNED REVENUE LOSS FOR US. BUT, THOSE ARE THE ARTISTS THAT ARE MAKING THESE REQUIREMENTS. IT'S A COMMERCIAL ARTIST AT ALL.

THE BEN FOLDS, BUT JOHN LEGENDS. THESE REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE EVERYWHERE. IF WE DON'T AGREE TO THEM AND SOME OF THEM HAVE HAD REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE MORE STRICT THAN OUR REQUIREMENTS. IF WE WERE TO AGREE TO THEM THEY WOULD NOT PERFORM. PTHOSE WOULD BE REVENUE USING PROPOSITIONS FOR US IF WE LOST THOSE ARTISTS. I SHOULD NOTE THAT THE COVID PROTOCOLS WERE TALKING ABOUT AND THEY GO INTO FULL EFFECT TODAY, OCTOBER 4 IS THAT PATRONS WHO COME TO A SHOW ARE REQUIRED TO EITHER SHOW PROOF OF VACCINATION OR PROOF OF A NEGATIVE COVID TEST OVER THE LAST 72 HOURS. CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 12 WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO BE VACCINATED WE ORIGINALLY WE WERE GOING TO REQUIRE PROOF OF A NEGATIVE TEST.

WE'VE DECIDED TO CHANGE THAT. SO NOW THEY SIMPLY ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO WEAR MASKS.

ALL PATRONS OVER THE AGE OF 3 WILL BE HARD TO WEAR MASKS. IF AN ARTIST AND SOME ARTISTS ARE GOING TO REQUIRE STRICTER POLICIES. THEN WE WON'T ADHERE TO THE STRICTER POLICIES FOR THOSE PARTICULAR SHOWS AND NOTIFY THE PUBLIC OF THOSE POLICIES IN ADVANCE OF THE SHOW. WE ANNOUNCE THESE POLICIES ON SEPTEMBER 15.

WE REALIZE SOME PATRONS HAD ONLY PURCHASED TICKETS. WE HAVE GIVEN THE ABILITY OF A PATIENT PURCHASED TICKETS AND WANTS REFUNDS BECAUSE OF THESE POLICIES WE ARE HONORING THAT THROUGH OCTOBER 15. IF THEY REQUEST A REFUND BEFORE THEN WE ARE OFFERING THOSE.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THAT HOW. I WILL TELL YOU IF ALSO HAVE MANY PATRONS WILL COME TO US AND PURCHASE TICKETS SAYING NOW THAT THESE ARE IN PLACE ARE FELT MORE COMFORTABLE GOING.

I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU THAT IT'S A NET LOSS THROUGH THESE REFUNDS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PATRONS COME THE OTHER WAY AND ALSO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE COMING TO THE VENUE.

AGAIN, WE REALIZE IT'S A DIFFICULT ISSUE FOR SOME PEOPLE.

I WANTED TO ASSURE THIS COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL IT IS NOT SOME SORT OF AGENDA ON OUR PART OR THE PART OF ARTIST OR THE PART OF ARTIST I DON'T KNOW. CERTAINLY NOT A PART OF THE

PERFORMING ARTS. >> THANK YOU, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> MADAM PRESIDENT. >> SIR? >> IN A SIMPLE WORLD WITH EVENT NOW BEING IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY I HAVE A LOT OF SYMPATHY FOR THE DECISIONS YOU'RE HAVING TO MAKE. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. I'M GLAD I'M NOT THE ONE MAKING

THEM. >> THANK YOU COUNSELOR. >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. MCDERMOTT? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU JEFF FOR COMING TONIGHT.

>> THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. >> NEXT UP UNDER THIS 11 K IS ADRIAN KEELING TO TALK ABOUT

THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL. >> GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS.

MY NAME IS ADRIAN KEELING WITH THE CITY OF CARMEL. I'M IN THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. MANY OF YOU HAVE MAYBE HEARD ABOUT OR DISPUTED IN SOME ACTIVITIES THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST YEAR REGARDING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.

I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A PREVIEW TO OUR PLAN COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S COMING UP LATER THIS MONTH. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE DOES HAVE A SPECIFIC PAGE ON THE CARMEL DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES WEBPAGE WHICH IS CARMEL DOCS.COM. YOU WILL FIND INFORMATION ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE ON IN TERMS OF UPDATES. BUT EVEN MORE EXCITING THEN THAT IS A DEDICATED WEB APP THAT WE HAVE RELEASED THE DRAFT INTO THIS AS ITS OWN WEBSITE. YOU WILL FIND THAT LINK, IS CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.COM. AND, THIS IS WHERE YOU WILL FIND THE PROPOSED DRAFT THAT WE

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POSTED LATE LAST WEEK. I WON'T GO INTO ALL OF THE DETAILS THAT HAVE GONE INTO IN EACH OF THE PAGES OF THIS PLAN. YOU CAN CERTAINLY PERUSE IT ON YOUR OWN TIME.

TO CLICK THROUGH A FEW THINGS. IT'S A LITTLE SLOW MAYBE. WE HAVE A PROCESS AREA THAT GIVES AN OVERVIEW AND SOME VISUALS TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND LAST YEAR. AND THEN AS FOR THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, YOU WILL FIND A SECTION ON POLICY GOALS.THERE ARE 8 OF THESE GOALS THAT POLICIES THAT HAVE MOSTLY WHICH HAVE COME FROM THE 2009 PLAN. WE'VE WORKED TO UPDATE THOSE AND REFRESH THOSE BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCES OVER THE LAST DECADE. BEST PRACTICES AND INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN CLICK THROUGH THE VARIOUS POLICIES AND FIND THE OBJECTIVES THAT GO ALONG WITH THOSE. THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN SECTION, SOME OF YOU WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE 2009 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SEAT 3 PLAN THIS REPLACES LAND CLASSIFICATION PORTION OF THE PLAN.

AND YOU WILL SEE HERE AT THE TOP IS THE PROPOSED MAP AND THEN AS YOU SCROLL DOWN YOU WILL SEE THE VARIOUS DETAILS OF EACH OF THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SHOUT OUT TO OUR GIS TEAM WHO HAS PUT IN A LOT OF TIME OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS TO TRANSLATE WHAT HAS BEEN STATIC IMAGE MAPS IN THE PAST INTO GIS LAYERS THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN AND GET FURTHER DOWN INTO A MAP TO GET MORE DETAIL. THE NEXT SECTION IS STREET TYPOLOGIES.

THAT'S WHERE YOU WILL FIND THERE ARE FIRE PLAN. AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A MAP AT THE TOP AND THEN AS YOU SCROLL DOWN YOU CAN CLICK THROUGH THE VARIOUS STREET TYPES.

WE'VE CONSOLIDATED A FEW TIMES AS WE HAVE BUILT OUT MANY OF THE STREETS THAT WE ENVISIONED IN THE 2009 PLANS. SO YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH ALL OF THOSE.

AND FIND A SUMMARY TABLE AT THE BOTTOM THAT EXPANDS SO YOU CAN COMPARE THE VARIOUS STREET TYPES. THE NEXT SECTION IS STREETSCAPE FACILITIES.

THAT'S WHERE YU WILL FIND THE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN PLANT IN THE BICYCLE LOOPS PLAN.

WE'VE BEGUN TO EXPAND HOW WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT AND USED OUR STREETS.

IT'S NOT JUST FOR CARS. WE KNEW THAT IN 2009. THERE ARE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE USE OUR STREETS FOR WHETHER THEY ARE IN THE STREET, JUST OFF THE STREET OR CURBSIDE. WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH SIDEWALKS AND PATHS.

WERE ALSO BEING MORE DELIBERATE ON OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON ON HER STREET FRONTS LIKE SUCH AS DELIVERY AND PICKUP ZONES. LIKE PARKING, CURB EXTENSIONS, STORMWATER SOLUTIONS.

THE KIND OF THING. THE FINAL TAB IS A SUB AREA PLANS.ERE NOT PROPOSING TO UPDATE THESE AS PART OF THIS EFFORT. WE'VE INCLUDED THIS AS A PLACEHOLDER ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE SUB AREA PLANS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE C3 PLAN.

THERE IS MAYBE MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK THERE IS A FORM YOU CAN CLICK TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK BASED ON WHAT SECTION THAT WE WERE VIEWING AND IT WILL SEND ME COMMENTS. THERE IS A Q&A BUTTON THAT COMPILES A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE COURSE OF THE REVIEW. AND THEN THERE'S SIGN UP FOR UPDATES THAT SINCE YOUR EMAIL TO GET UPDATES ON I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW IT'S POINTED TO THE CITY E NEWSLETTER. WHICH WE WILL KEEP UPDATED WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INFORMATION.

AND THEN IN THE NEXT DAY OR 2 WE SHOULD HAVE A BUTTON THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DOWNLOAD A PDF

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DIRECTLY FROM THIS WEBSITE. THE NEXT STEPS AS I MENTIONED, THE PLAN COMMISSION IS HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TUESDAY, OCTOBER 19 MEETING. THAT'S HERE IN THIS ROOM AT 6 PM. OF COURSE IN THE MEANTIME WE WILL BE COLLECTING FEEDBACK BASED ON THIS WEB FORM.

CERTAINLY EMAILS AND THEN THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AT THE MEETING.

AS ALL. PUBLIC HEARING SOUTH. FROM THERE THE PLAN COMMISSION WILL REVIEW THE PLAN AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. WE ARE STILL WORKING TO SET THOSE DATES. WE DO EXPECT TO, FOR THEIR REVIEW MEETINGS TO TAKE PLACE BASED ON THE PLAN TOPIC.OR INSTANT POLICY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.

WE WOULD LIKE TO COVER THAT SEPARATELY AND THEN MOVED TO DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND SO ON.

ONCE THE PLAN COMMISSION'S PROCESS IS FINISHED AND THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ABLE, TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR REVIEW AND AS MANY THINGS THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL ADOPTION REVIEW FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SHARE THIS EVENING. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU ADRIENNE. THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THIS PLAN AND THE MAP STUFF YOU DO IS GREATLY APPRECIATED. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADRIAN?

>> MADAM PRESIDENT ADRIAN, I BEEN CLICKING AROUND THE WEBSITE I THINK IT'S GREAT.

BUT ALL THIS INFORMATION IS OUT THERE. I JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATION.

WHEN I CLICKED ON SIGN UP FOR PROJECT UPDATES AND HE MENTIONED THE UPDATES WOULD COME TO THE CITY NEWSLETTER. OTHERS UPDATES ONLY GOING TO BE FOUND THROUGH THE NEWSLETTER OR

WILL THERE BE LIKE A SEPARATE UPDATE REPORT FOR PROJECTS? >> I DO CURRENTLY HAVE AN EMAIL LIST THAT I'VE BEEN SENDING UPDATES TO PERIODICALLY. I WOULD POTENTIALLY LIKE TO GET A BUTTON TO AN EMAIL FORM WHERE I CAN COLLECT THOSE SO WERE WORKING ON THAT TO GET A SEPARATE EMAIL LIST FOR UPDATES. I DO ALREADY HAVE A LIST OF A

COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS BUT I BEEN SENDING EMAILS TO. >> ADRIAN, THANKS.

I LIKE THE WEBSITE AS WELL. YOU SHOWED US HOW TO HELP PEOPLE AND SUBMIT FEEDBACK.

IS THERE ANYWAY WE CAN SEE WHAT FEEDBACK HAS BEEN SENT IF WE CAN GET A SUMMARY.

I'M GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK PERSONALLY FROM THE PEOPLE IN THE SOUTHWEST.

AND SOUTH-CENTRAL ON CONCERNS ABOUT DENSITY AND WANTING TO PUT STRONGER LANGUAGE ABOUT YOU KNOW THE BEST THAT THEY CAN ON LIMITING THE INCREASE IN DENSITY IN CERTAIN AREAS.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO SEE THE ACTUAL FEEDBACK THAT'S GETTING TO YOU?

>> OR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? >> .

TYPICALLY FOR PLANNING COMMISSION PROJECTS WE POST EVERYTHING ON TO LASERFICHE.

ANY LETTERS OR EMAILS THAT WE RECEIVE WITH THIS FORM I BELIEVE I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GENERATE MORE OF A SPREADSHEET TYPE CONSOLIDATION OF COMMENTS. THE COMMENTS WILL COME IN BASED ON WHICH SECTION. THE COMMENTS ARE PERTAIN TO. WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO CONSOLIDATE THAT INTO ONE PLACE. THE EMAILS AND THE COMMENTS

THAT COME INTO THE WEBSITE. >> ADRIAN, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. AND OF DOCS HAS HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK ON THIS AND YOU IN PARTICULAR. YOU HAVE TAKEN THE LEAD ON THIS AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M SORT OF EX OFFICIO ON THE ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION GROUP AND THAT GROUP AND MYSELF ARE CERTAINLY EXCITED ABOUT REVIEWING THE MASTER PLAN FOR PATHWAYS AND CONNECTIVITY.

I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF BUT I KNOW SEVERAL OTHER COUNSELORS ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE CAN ACCELERATE THAT TO TRULY BECOME A FRIENDLY SAFE COMMUNITY.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. ANOTHER SLICK DISCUSSION MAYOR OR THE PUBLIC ARE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO ALSO HAVE A SECTION OR SOME INPUT ON PUBLIC ART WITHIN THE COMP PLAN.

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WOULD YOU SPEAK ABOUT THAT AND I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION TOO. >> YES.

WE HAVE INCORPORATED SOME LANGUAGE INTO THE POLICY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES RELATED TO THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. SO THOSE COMMENTS FROM THEM HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE WEBSITE.

BUT I WILL. I THINK PROBABLY SIMILAR TO COUNSELOR GREENS COMMENTS.

THERE CERTAINLY ARE PEOPLE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGES. MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN THE COMP PLAN WAS REDONE 10 YEARS AGO WHEN WAS IT PARTIALLY REDONE? WAS IT 2007?

>> I BELIEVE A LOT OF THE PROCESS TOOK PLACE IN 2008 THAN THE ADOPTION WAS OVER THE

COURSE OF A PORTION OF 2009. >> AT THAT TIME WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGICAL TOOLS THAT WE HAVE TODAY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WAS DONE AS A COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE SO HERE THE PLAN COMMISSION IS DOING NOT. THEY WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND INPUT. THEY ALSO DID A NUMBER OF TOWN HALLS.

THERE, IN YOUR MIND OR IN THE PLAN COMMISSION'S MIND TO BE COUNSELOR RIDER CAN JUMP IN.

WILL YOU NOT HAVE TOWN HALLS TO DISCUSS OR BULLET ALL BE LOOK TO OUR TOWNHOME?THAT WAS MY

SPECIFIC QUESTION. >> THE TOWNHALL FORMAT THAT WE HAD DURING THAT PREVIOUS PROCESS WAS MORE OPEN. IT WASN'T TO REVIEW AN ACTUAL PROPOSAL.

IT WAS MORE OF AN OPEN DIALOGUE ABOUT WHAT KINDS OF THINGS YOU MIGHT LIKE TO SEE IN THE PLANT AND HOW THINGS WERE GOING. OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR CERTAINLY 2020 2021 HAVEN'T BEEN NORMAL IN ANY RESPECT IN TERMS OF IN PERSON MEETINGS.

WE DID THE ONLINE SURVEY. WE'VE DONE, WE DID THE TALK OF THE TOWN WEB DISCUSSIONS.

THEN WE HAD A SERIES OF POP-UP READINGS INMATE TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THAT GENERAL FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE THINK THINGS ARE GOING AND WHAT THEY LOVE ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER. WE DON'T ENVISION LARGE TOWNHALL MEETINGS MOVING FORWARD. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE THIS ONLINE PROCESS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE IN

2008 AND 2009. >> I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE THAT VENUE AT LEAST IN THOSE DISTRICTS THAT ARE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED. AND I APPRECIATE AND I THINK YOUR CONSULTANTS DID A NICE JOB OF WALKING THROUGH THAT. THAT WAS INFORMATION GATHERING.

NOW WE HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT IS A DRAFT I THINK BACK COMMENT IS IMPORTANT.

WE THOUGHT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF THE MECHANISMS FOR FALL TRANSPARENCY IN THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER COUNCILMEMER RIDER IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PLAN

COMMISSION NO SPECIFICS ON THAT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT?

>> SIR? >> YES. NOBODY KNOWS MORE SPECIFICS THAN WAS STANDING AT THE MICROPHONE. SHE IS THE EXPERT.

I DON'T CLASSIFY MYSELF AS AN EXPERT. I WILL SAY THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AT PLANNING COMMISSION THERE WILL BE PUBLIC HITTING HEARING OF CITY COUNCIL. PEOPLE WILL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK.

I WILL GO TO COMMITTEE DURING COMMITTEE PEOPLE CAN CONTINUE TO SUBMIT IDEAS AND QUESTIONS.

WE WILL WORK THROUGH THOSE UNTIL REDONE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WERE GOING TO RUSH OUT OF COMMITTEE. IT WILL STAY THERE UNTIL REDONE DISCUSSING TOPICS THAT THE

PUBLIC WANTS US TO DISCUSS. >> THANK YOU COUNSELOR. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO AND REEMPHASIZE THAT ADRIAN HAS HAD BEFORE. THERE IS NOT A SPECIFIC TIMELINE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE. IT'LL TAKE THE TIME THAT IT

NEEDS AND TAKES. >> I DO THIS EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE A POINT THEY USE ZONING IF IT MAKES THE POINT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IF IT MAKES THE POINT. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A GUIDE. IT IS NOT LAW. IT IS NOT ZONING.

IT IS A GUIDE. ANYTIME YOU HAVE A GUIDE IT HAD SEE YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

IT DOESN'T ALWAYS END UP AT THE SAME PLACE. ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

I WANT TO CONTINUE TO CLARIFY THAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADRIAN? ADRIAN THE TALK OF THE TOWN VIDEO IS ALSO REMAIN ON

YOUTUBE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. THERE ASO ACCESSIBLE THROUGH

THIS WEBSITE TO CLICK TO THOSE. >> THAT WAY IF ANYONE WANTS TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THOSE ARE WASN'T ABLE TO PARTICIPATE THE FIRST TIME AROUND THEY CAN DO THAT.

BUT LIKE TO ADD FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN GETTING MORE INVOLVED IN OUR CITY OR PERHAPS SERVING IN A FORMAL CAPACITY AS AN APPOINTEE, REMEMBER, READING THIS DOCUMENT IS HIGHLY

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VALUABLE. UNDERSTANDING THE CITY, ITS GOALS AND FRANKLY SOME OF ITS HISTORY AS WELL. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO LOOK AT PTHIS DRAFT DOCUMENT AND YOU KNOW, TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIVE INTO IT. I THANK YOU WOULD FIND IT HELPFUL. OKAY, THANK YOU, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TOIGHT.

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P>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY, BACK TO 12. OLD BUSINESS.

12 A'S A SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D, 25 6 Ã21. AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNSEL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOP MEANT TAX INCREMENT REVENUE BONDS TO SUPPORT THE HAMILTON CROSSING TO BULLET ROJECT AND AUTHORIING OTHER ACTIONS IN THEIR RESPECT TO. RETURNING FROM THE FINANCE,

UTILITIES RULES COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH A 4 Ã0 POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT. WE HAD PRESENT AT OUR FINANCE MEETING CONSULTANTS FROM BAKER PTILLY. OUR BOND CONSULTANT FROM BAKER AND DANIELS. AND ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS I MIGHT JUST NOTE IS THAT WE LEARNED AND GREAT QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE BY THE WAY.

WE LEARNED THERE WOULD BE 3 AND 55,000 REVENUE FROM THIS DEAL COMING TO OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. ONCE ALL 3 BUILDINGS ARE BUILT. THIS IS FOR $49,500,000.

I AM GOING TO ASK BEFORE MR. MISS DUSKY, MASS-PRODUCED OLSON TO COME FORWARD AND I WANT TO ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SECTION 4B. AND IF YOU NEED ME TO READ THAT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIES I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

FOR YOU. >> OKAY. I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

>> THANK YOU. SO, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO READ THAT SECTION.

I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WHAT KIND OF A BOND THIS IS. I HAVE BEEN RECEIVING SOME EMAILS FROM CONCERNED RESIDENTS. THIS IS A DEVELOPER TO BOND AND I BELIEVE 4B EXPLAINS WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS. WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THAT FOR

US. >> YES 4B SAYS THE BONDS IN THE INTEREST ON DO NOT AND SHALL NEVER CONSTITUTE AN INDEBTEDNESS OF OR CHARGE AGAINST THE GENERAL CREDIT OR TAXING POWER OF THE CITY WHICH SHALL BE A SPECIAL AND LIMITED OBLIGATION OF THE CITY PAYABLE SOLELY FROM REVENUES AND OTHER AMOUNTS DERIVED FROM THE FINANCING AGREEMENTS.

THE FINANCING AGREEMENTS PROVIDE THE ONLY SOURCE OF REPAYMENT WILL BE THE TIF GENERATED WHICH ARE THE NEW PROPERTY TAXES GENERATED FROM THIS PROJECT SITE.

SO, THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY OTHER SOURCE OF CITY FUNDS THAT WILL BE A CREDIT FOR THIS

PARTICULAR BOND. >> RIGHT. SO THAT IS WHAT WE MEAN AND THAT IS THOUGHTS COMING FROM THE ADDITIONAL ASSESSED VALUE TAXES FROM ACTUALLY BUILDING

THE PROJECT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. NOW MR. MAJESKI. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS BUT WE ARE RETURNING THIS WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND THIS IS

REFERRED TO AT HAMILTON CROSSING. >> THANK YOU.LL I HAVE, I JUST WANT TO NOTE AGAIN BRUCE FROM BARNES AND THORNBURG IS HERE.

OUR FRIENDS FROM BAKER TILLY IS HERE. SORRY.

>> OKAY I OWE YOU A LUNCH NOW. OKAY, NO HARM, NO FOUL, RIGHT? >> OKAY.

>> WE ALSO HAVE MARK JENKINS IS HERE FROM KITE AS WELL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I CAN ALWAYS SHOW THE VIDEO AGAIN OR MENTION ANYTHING ELSE

ABOUT IT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT. >> I THINK HENRY OWES COUNSELOR WORRELL FOR LUNCH. NOBODY WOULD'VE KNOWN IT IF YOU WENT TO BROUGHT IT BACK UP.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOSH. >> BUSINESS COUNSELOR HANNON. SO THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT.

DIRECTOR, I WOULD SAY FIRST OF ALL CONGRATULATIONS TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM IN THE MIRROR TO GET WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY AN BENEFITS OF THIS PARTICULAR HE PUBLIC AIRLINES WITH A VERY INTERESTING MODEL. TONY AND I BOTH BEING FLYERS HAVE A SIMULATION CENTER FOR ALLEGIANT AIRLINES IS PRETTY COOL.

WE HOPE THE COOLNESS ATTRACTS OTHER PARTNERS IN THE AREA AS I SAID AS AN ANCHOR.

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SO CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT. THINK FROM IT TIF STANDPOINT THIS IS PROBABLY THE TEXTBOOK USE OF TIF. TIF WAS SET UP TO ESSENTIALLY PLOW BACK NEW TAX REVENUE INTO AREAS THAT WERE OTHERWISE ECONOMICALLY UNDEVELOPED ON THEIR OWN.

I THINK MEAT MAY BE A STRETCH THAT A LITTLE BIT THE CENTRAL DISTRICT.

IN THIS AREA WITHOUT A DOUBT IT'S AN AREA THAT HAD SIGNIFICANT ISSUES TO BE DEVELOPED FOR REASONS THAT WERE REALLY NOT ASSOCIATED WITH CARMEL.

THE DECISION TO NOT PUT IN OFFRAMP THERE. I THINK THIS IS BOTH HUGE WIN FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM, FOR THE MAYOR. I THINK THIS IS A TEXTBOOK USE OF TIF AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THE ONLY 2 QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ARE WHAT IS AN I DON'T KNOW WHETHER BRUCE OR BAKER TILLER CAN ANSWER THIS. WHAT IS THE ACTUAL EXPECTED REVENUE TO THE DEVELOPER? I UNDERSTAND IT'S 100 PERCENT, TO THEM? WHAT IS EXPECTED ECONOMIC REVENUE WITH ALL PROJECTIONS WERE MADE FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS QUESTION NUMBER ONE. QUESTION NUMBER 2 WAS THERE A LAND GRANT IN THIS ORIENTED KITE ALREADY OWN THE PROPERTY OR BY THE PROPERTY? THOSE ARE MY 2 QUESTIONS.

>> THERE IS NOT A LAND GRANT KITE OWNED THE PROPERTY. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE BAKER TILLY REPORT THAT OUTLINES ON THE FIRST PAGE THE 3 TRANCHES. EACH SHOWING THE PHASES THAT

REPRESENT THE REVENUE TO THE DEVELOPMENT. >> UNTIL I SEE THE TRANCHES THE

FIRST BEING 8415 THE TOTAL AMOUNT? >> 49 MILLION TOTAL.

>> THAT GETS US TO GIANT PUBLIC PARKING GARAGES ESSENTIALLY. >> ABSOLUTELY.

BIKER SAID I THINK THIS IS A TEXTBOOK USE OF TIF. SO THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT. >> SIR?

>> COULD I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS? >> SECOND.

>> GREAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING-I WILL CALL THE VOICE VOTE. OTE.

[VOTING] >> PROJECT IS APPROVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ITEMS WILL BE AS A SECOND READING ORDINANCE D Ã2595 Ã21 PRINT ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNSEL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA, ESTABLISHING THE APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE 2022 BUDGET, THE SPONSOR COUNSELOR FOR COMPARED THIS WAS INTRODUCED AT THE LAST MEETING HELD OVER INTO THIS MEDIA BECAUSE IT TAKES 2 READINGS TO PASS THE BUDGET.

>> MADAM PRESIDENT? >> YES COUNSELOR WORRELL. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE HANDLED ITEM 14 A ON OUR AGENDA, CC 10 Ã04 Ã21 Ã02.

BECAUSE THEY ARE RELATED. >>, HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY DISCUSSION OF HOLDING THIS A DELETE VOTE ON THE 14 A ITEM? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL TAKE A VOICE VOTE. TE.

[VOTING] THANK YOU VERY MUCH IT WILL REMAIN TABLED AFTER 14 A. >> 12 C IS A SECOND READING OF WHAT IS DEED 2591 Ã21 AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNSEL OF THE STATE OF CARMEL INDIANA FIXING SELLERS OF APPOINTED OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE CARMEL CITY CLERK FOR YEAR 2022. THE STATE WAS RETURNING FOR FINANCE, UTILITIES AND RULES.

GERMAN WORRELL? . >> THEY GIVE UP MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HEARD FROM OUR CLERK, SUE WOLFGANG AND THIS CAME ACK WE PRETTY MUCH HANDLED MOST OF THE DISCUSSION WE DID REVIEW EVERYTHING.

THIS CAME BACK WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR ÃZERO FROM THE COMMITTEE.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? >> MADAM RESIDENT? >> .MOVED TO PPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> THINK OF EVOLUTION A OND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM?

>> SEEING NONE. NE. COUNSELOR.

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>> IS UNANIMOUS. ITEM 12 THE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D Ã2592 Ã21 PRINT AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA FIXING SELLERS OF APPOINTED OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE CARMEL CITY CLERK FOR THAT .22 THIS IS RETURNING FROM FINANCE, UTILITIES AND ROLES. GERMAN WHERE ELSE?

>> THINK IT MADAM PRESIDENT WILL NOTICE THE THEME. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE JUDGE APPEAR BEFORE US. WE DID REVIEW THERE WERE NO MAJOR CHANGES OTHER THAN WHAT WAS ALL PRESENTED DURING OUR BUDGET HEARINGS. SO WE RETURN THIS TO YOU FOR Ã 0 POSITIVE E RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

>> OND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE WE WILL GO FOR THE VOTE.

[VOTING] >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MOTION RRIES.

12 HE IS A SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D 2593 Ã21 PRINT ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNSEL TODAY CARMEL INDIANA. FIXING SELLERS OF APPOINTED OFFICERS A PLACE OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA FOR THE YEAR 2022. THIS IS RETURNING FOR FINANCE,

UTILITIES AND RULES. GERMAN WORRELL. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS MORNING IS GOING TO REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXCUSE ME I'M JUST MAKING SURE ON THE RIGHT ONE HERE. THIS ORNING THIS MORNING IS 3.

WHERE WE ARE DISCUSSION ABOUT DEPUTY MAYOR. JOHN OBERLANDER IF HE WOULD COME FORWARD BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE ACTUALLY RETURNS THIS TO YOU FOR Ã0 WITH REMOVING THE LANGUAGE WHICH WAS LINES, IF I REMEMBER IT CRACKS ME I CAN'T FIND IT.

IN THE 400S. HOWEVER, MR. OBERLANDER HAS PUT INSIDE EVERNOTE A SECOND VERSION WHICH IS NOT AN ADJUSTMENT TO WHAT WE DID BUT, IS A NEW VERSION AND DIFFERENT.

I'VE LET HIM EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE. >> GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS.

JOHN. AS COUNSELOR WORRELL STATED THIS IS AN ALTERNATE DRAW FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AN ALTERNATE AMENDMENT. THE INDIANA CODE HAS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CREATION OF THE DEPUTY MAYOR POSITION. THE SALARY ORDINANCE AS IT WAS INITIALLY SUBMITTED TO SATISFY STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS. I HAVE AMENDED IT TO INCLUDE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS NECESSARY TO MAKE IT COMPLY WITH THE STATE STATUTE.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON IT.

>> I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO DO JOHN, IF YOU COULD GO THROUGH. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DIFFERENT. SO COMMITTEE HELP ME NOW. WE REMOVED THOSE 3 LINES WHICH WAS JUST TO GET TOTALLY RED OF THE DEPUTY MAYOR. I KNOW COUNSELOR HANNON WATCH THE MEETING. THIS NEW VERSION COMES BACK AND ACTUALLY KEEPS THAT IN.

IT STILL KEEPS IN THE $5000 PAID. BUT, AMENDED AS JOHN JUST SAID.

WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE WE WANT TO DEAL WITH OR IF WE WANT TO MAKE ANY OTHER

CHANGES. >> MADAM PRESIDENT? >> SIR?

>> THE SECOND VERSION IS NOT BEFORE US. CANNOT BE DEALT WITH?

>> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED IN. >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

SO TECHNICALLY THE SECOND VERSION IS NOT BEFORE US UNLESS WE WOULD AMEND THAT INCOME IS

NOT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WERE NOT

WORKING ON THE WRONG THING. >> VERSION 8 IS RETURNED WITH A 4 ¦ [SINGING] FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. WHICH TOOK THE SALARY OUT FOR THE DEPUTY MAYOR TOOK THAT LANGUAGE S COUNSELOR WORLD HAS JUST DESCRIBED.

WE NEED A MOTION TO O AMEND OR INSERT VERSION A IN ITS ENTIRETY INTO THE DOCUMENT OR DO THAT AND FURTHER AMENDED WITH LANGUAGE OF VERSION B. OR TO INSERT VERSION B IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WORK VERSION 8. THOSE OF THE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF US.

>> ,BRENNA PRESIDENT ELECT TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND VERSION A.

>> SECOND. >> SO TO CLARIFY INSERT VERSION 8 AND WHOLE.

INTO THE DOCUMENT. JOHN? ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT?

>> NO THAT WOULD BE STRIKING THE SUBSECTION ENTIRELY OF THE DEPUTY MAYOR AND THE

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COMPENSATION. >> THAT'S WHAT WAS DONE COMMITTEE.> YES.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE WE WILL TAKE A VOTE. [VOTING]

>>THIS IS SUCCESSFULLY ADMITTED. I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO

APPROVE. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? THIS WILL SOUND FAMILIAR AS WELL.

[VOTING] >>G] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCHTEM 12 EFFICACY SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE DEED 2594 Ã21 THE ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNSEL THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA FIXING SELLERS OF ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA FOR THE YEAR 2022. THIS TO IS RETURNING FOR THE FINANCE, UTILITIES AND RULES

COMMITTEE. GERMAN WORRELL. >> THINK IT MADAM PRESIDENT.

THIS WOULD AFFECT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AS YOU STATED AND WE DID ASK BARB TO NFIRM RM THAT THERE WAS NO CHANGE TO ANY OF THOSE SALARIES. EXCEPT FOR THE 3 PERCENT COLA.

SO WE RETURN THIS TO YOU WITH A 4 ¦ [SINGING] POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD MAKE A MOTIN TO APPROVE.

>> >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH ANY DISCUSSION?

>> HARRY NONE WILL TAKE A VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM

[13. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

NUMBER 30 PUBLIC HEARINGS. FOR TODAY'S FIRST READING ORIENTS DEED 2597 Ã21.

AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS FROM THE ARP CORONAVIRUS LOCAL PHYSICAL RECOVERY FUND.

FUND NUMBER 176. THE SPONSOR IS COUNSELOR WORRELL.

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND. >> THIS APPROPRIATES FUNDS IN THE ARP ROTAVIRUS LOCAL PHYSICAL RECOVERY FUND FOR GOVERNMENT SERVICES PURSUANT TO THE ARP PLAN ADOPTED BY THE COMMON COUNCIL. COUNSEL, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER ON MAY 5, 2021 WE CREATED THE FUND ARP CORONAVIRUS LOCAL PHYSICAL RECOVERY FUND NUMBER 176.

SURE THAT'S TOP OF MIND FOR EVERYBODY. THESE, NEXT TO ITEMS AS WELL AS RESOLUTION CC 10 Ã421 02 APPLY TO THIS. GOING TO ASK WITH YOUR PERMITS AND MADAM M PRESIDENT WE COULD ALSO RESOLUTION CC 10 BECAUSE IT KIND OF CLARIFIES A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE VOTING ON THE 2 ORDINANCES. THERE ARE REALLY 2 ONE FUND BUT 2 DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE FUND IS USED. I WILL ALLOW MR. OBERLANDER TO

EXPLAIN. >> THANK YOU COUNSELOR WORRELL. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PASSED AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN. CARMEL WS AWARDED $7.5 MILLION IN GRANT FUNDS FROM THE PLAN.

I'M SORRY FOR THE RESCUE PLAN. WE RECEIVED ABOUT RUNNING WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 3.7 MILLION DOLLARS IN 2021 THIS YEAR WE WILL RECEIVE THE SECOND HALF IN 2022.

FOR THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ACT AND ALSO THE STATE BOARD OF COUNSEL REQUIREMENTS EACH UNIT RECEIVING FUNDS UNDER THE ARP IS REQUIRED TO CREATE A PLAN WHICH SETS FORTH HOW THAT UNIT WILL USE THE GRANT FUNDS. THERE IS FOR SPECIFIED USES UNDER THE ACT THAT WE CAN USE THE GRANT FUNDS FOR. WITH THIS PLAN DOES IS SET FORTH WHAT WERE GOING TO USE THE FUNDS FOR. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLAN, ONE OF THE USES FOR THE FUNDS IS FOR PREMIUM PAY FOR EMPLOYEES. THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. SETS FORTH THE DEFINITION OF WHAT AN ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEE IS.

WHAT ESSENTIAL BURQAS. CAN'T PAY PREMIUM PAY TO EMPLOYEES UNDER THE STATUTE UNLESS THEY ARE ON SITE WORKED HOURS. TOTAL WORK HOURS DON'T COUNT.

WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IS A 2 DOLLAR PER HOUR PREMIUM FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, ALL CENTRAL EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE WORKED ON SITE OVER THE PAST YEAR. IN THAT 2 DOLLAR AN HOUR

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PREMIUM WILL BE CAPPED AT 2 PERCENT OF WHAT THEIR ANNUAL SALARY IS FOR THIS YEAR.

SO THAT IS WHEN USE. THE OTHER USE IS THE PROVISION OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES AND THE ACT ALLOWS US TO ESSENTIALLY ACCOUNT TOWARDS A FORMULA THE TREASURY SET FORTH TO ACCOUNT FOR OUR LOST REVENUE UNDER COVID AND THEN WE COULD USE THOSE FUNDS FOR THE PERS FISH IN A GOVERNMENT SERVICES WHICH IS A VERY WIDE-OPEN CATEGORY CAN BE USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, ROADS IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. THE PLAN I BELIEVE AS THE MAYOR EXPLAINED PREVIOUSLY WAS TO BE TO USE SOMEBODY FOR PAVING THIS YEAR AND SOME FOR A ROUNDABOUT PROJECT. AND WHAT THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE THAT ARE BEFORE US WELL, ONE IS TO APPROPRIATE THOSE INTO THE LINE ITEMS TO PAY THE PREMIUM PAY.

ALL THAT CITY EMPLOYEES. IN THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU PTONIGHT WAS ONLY FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. WE WILL BE PROPOSING THE PARKS EMPLOYEES THAT WORKED ON SITE ALSO RECEIVE PREMIUM PAY. THAT ADDITIONAL PREPARATION WILL COME BEFORE YOU IN THE COMING WEEKS. THEN THE OTHER ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION IS FOR THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS UNDER THE OTHER PROVISION OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. IT'S A PRETTY DETAILED PLAN. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT

ANY OF THE SPECIFICS I WILL TRY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU. >> COUNCIL ANYONE WANT TO

INTERJECT? >> MR. OBERLANDER, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT WALKING THROUGH THAT. I'M CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE AS WE FOR DIRECTOR ÃMAKE SURE WE GET THE PARKS DEPARTMENT UP TO SPEED EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.

WITH REGARDS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH AGAIN AS YOU SAID IS A PRETTY BROAD BRUSH WE CAN USE. WHEN WILL BE ACTUALLY SEEN THAT PROPOSAL WITH SPECIFICS ON WHAT THE FUNDS WILL BE USED FOR AND WHAT WE EXPECT THAT AMOUNT TO BE?

ALTHOUGH COUNSELOR WORRELL MAY HAVE IT AS WELL. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE.HERE'S 2.7 MILLION THAT IS APPROPRIATED FOR THAT.

2.6 I'M SORRY. >> 26 26, ÃÃTO BE EXACT. >> MAYOR WOULD YOU LIKE TO THAT

OR DO YO WANT ME TO IT? >> CERTAINLY. ALL OF THE REMAINING FUNDS GOING REALLY INTO THE REPEATING LINEUP AS INFRASTRUCTURE. I HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT CARMEL RESIDENTS RECEIVE $74 AS PART OF THIS PLAN. OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE RECEIVED AS HIGH AS THOUSAND 60 PER PERSON. AS A RESULT OF THIS PLAN.

IT'S BASED ON INCOME SOMEWHERE FORTUNATELY HAVE GOOD INCOME. THE DISPARITY IS VERY LARGE BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES UNLESS WEALTHIER COMMUNITIES. WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME FLEXIBILITY. I'M SURE WE WILL READ IN THE PAPER ABOUT OTHER COMMUNITIES DOING A LOT OF THINGS WITH THIS BUNNY. IT'S BECAUSE THEY GOT A LOT MORE THAN WE DID AND I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AGAIN. WE HAVE CITIES THAT ARE LESS THAN HALF OUR SIZE AND HAVE GOTTEN 3 OR 4 TIMES AS MUCH MONEY.

TIME TO ONE CASE. >> MR. MAYOR SINCE YOU JUMPED AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

WITH REGARDS TO REPAVING, ARE WE GOING TO PAVE MORE THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR OR ARE WE USING THE FUNDS FOR PAVING THAT WE OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE BEEN USED OR BEING REALLOCATED.

ARBOR TO DO MORE WITH THESE FUNDS OR USING THEM IN LIEU OF OTHER FUNDS?

>> OR DOING WHAT STREET DEPARTMENT BELIEVES NEEDS TO BE DONE.

WE ARE SPENDING LESS IN 2022 UNDER THE BUDGET PROPOSAL FOR REPAVING.

THAT WE DID IN 2021. OUT OF OUR NONFEDERAL AID FUNDS.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR JOHN OR MR. MAYOR FOR THAT

MATTER? OKAY, SEEN NONE, I'M SORRY? >> ARMS COULD MAKE A MOTION IF

YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> WE NEED TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING THEN I WOULD LOVE THAT.

WE WILL UP WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:10 PM. ANYONE WISHING TO THIS ORDINANCE D 25 9721 WHICH IS APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR THE GOVERNMENT SERVICES PART OF THE ARP PLAN.

GIVE WAY TO THE PODIUM. >> MADAM PRESIDENT. NOBODY IS MOVING.

>> PERFECT, THANK YOU. GIVE THE OVIE CAMERA SO I CAN SEE THAT NOW.

IT'S OKAY, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:10:30. I WOULD LOVE A MOTION.

MR. WORRELL? >> I MOVE? APPROVE D 2597 Ã21.

>>. >> THIS IS A FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE.

>> DAM ESIDENT MOTION IS TO SUSPEND THE RULES THIS EVENING. >> THAT'S A MOTION IN A SECOND.

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THANK YOU. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD THAT.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. COUNS

[VOTING] OKAY AND WERE FREE TO ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION?

HEARING NONE. [VOTING] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PUBLIC HEARING 13 B IS A FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D 2590 Ã 21. AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS FROM THE ARP CORONAVIRUS LOCAL PHYSICAL RECOVERY FUND FUND NUMBER 176.

COUNSELOR WORRELL, MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND.

>> THE SYNOPSIS APPROPRIATE FUNDS OF THE ARP CORONAVIRUS LOCAL PHYSICAL RECOVERY FUND FOR EMPLOYEE PREMIUM PAY PURSUANT TO THE ARP PLAN ADOPTED BY THE COMMON COUNCIL.

>> PLEASE SEE THE TOTAL FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT'S WATCHING. DO YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU?

>> ALL RIGHT, THE MONTHS ARE AS FOLLOWS. 1,000,023 $106,000.65.

AND THAT'S DIVIDED OVER SEVERAL DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS. IF YOU WANT ME TO REVIEW THOSE.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TOTAL AMOUNT WAS SHARED. I THINK OF SOMEONE IS INTERESTED SEE THE BREAKDOWN THEY CAN GO TO OUR PACKET WHICH IS AVAILABLE ONLINE.

SINCE WE GIVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PGIVE THE TOTAL FOR THE PREMIUM PAY AS WELL. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:13 P.M. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE PODIUM. SAYING NO MOVEMENT WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:1315. THE TERRIBLE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE ROLES AND ACT ON THIS THIS

EVENING? >> SO VED. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM TO SUSPEND THE ROLES? HEARING ON.

[VOTING] >> MADAM PRESIDENT? >> THANK YOU.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? 3 NONE. [VOTING] THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[14. NEW BUSINESS]

ITEM 14 NEW BUSINESS. 14 A'S RESOLUTION CC N CC 10 04 2102.

RESOLUTION OF THAT COMMON COUNSEL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA TO LIMIT THE RATE FOR TAXES PAYABLE IN 2022. AUTHORIZE NECESSARY TEMPORARY BORROWING AMONG CITY FUNDS.

SPONSORS ARE COUNSELORS FINKAM AND WORRELL. >> MOVED TO APPRINTRODUCE.

>> SECOND. >>. [INDISCERNABLE].

>> MAYOR TO WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS? >> CERTAINLY.

SIMPLY TO POINT OUT SOME NEW POINTED OUT TO ME THE OTHER DAY THEY READ THE PAPER OUR RATE WAS ADVERTISED MUCH HIGHER THAN THIS. THAT'S TYPICAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE DATA WHEN THAT ADVERTISEMENT IS REQUIRED TO BE.

SO THE CONTROLLER VERY APPROPRIATELY ADVERTISES AT A HIGHER RATE.

THIS RESOLUTION IN ESSENCE OBSTRUCTS THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE TO, WHEN ALL THE REVOLUTIONS ARE KNOWN TO REDUCE AND TELLS HIM WHERE TO REDUCE IF NECESSARY.

WILL BE NECESSARY IN THIS CASE. IN THE EVENT IT WOULD BE TO REDUCE FUNDS TO GET THE TAX RATE DOWN TO THIS LEVEL. SO WE CAN INSURANCE CITIZENS THE RATE FROM THE CITY OF

CARMEL WILL NOT INCREASE BETWEEN 2021 AND 2022. >> THANK YOU.

I'VE A QUESTION FOR MR. COONROD. OFFICER COONROD IF YOU CAN MAKE

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YOUR WAY TO THE PODIUM. >> MADAM PRESIDENT. >> HI, THANK YOU VERY MUCH KURT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS COMING FOR THE NEXT ITEM WHICH IS THE BUDGET. KNOWING THAT, THAT MAY BE AMENDED. IN THIS RESOLUTION DIRECTS THE DLG TO ALLOCATE THE LIVING AMONG CITY FUNDS. IF WE APPROVE THIS NOW AND THEN AMEND THE BUDGET LATER WILL MAP

AMENDMENTS ON THE BUDGET APPLY HERE? >> WELL, PROBABLY NOT.

IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE AMENDMENTS. >> SO IF THE COUNCIL AMENDS THE SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS FUND AND REDUCES IT LET'S JUST SAY TO A LOWER AMOUNT.

I DON'T KNOW WE CAN MAKE UP A NUMBER. WHAT DOES THE G LGF GET

DIRECTED AND HOW'S NOT APPLY IF WE DO THE BUDGET AFTER THIS? >> THAT WOULD NOT AFFECT, THAT WOULD NOT BE RELEVANT TO THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE OF RESOLUTION ADDRESSES PROPERTY

TAX LEVIES NOT APPROPRIATIONS. >> OKAY, PERFECT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE LEVY AMONG CITY FUNDS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOLLARS IN OR OUT

OF THE GENERAL FUND THAT WAS APPLICABLE. >> RESOLUTION IS BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW HAS TO DO WITH REVENUE COMING INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

BUT NOT APPROPRIATIONS GOING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.> THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT

AGAIN. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT.

>> SIR? >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO SEEING AND HEARING NONE I WILL GO AHEAD WITH THE BOAT.

[VOTING] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WERE GONNA GO BACK AND PICK UP ITEM, BEAR WITH ME FOR SECOND. 12 B. SECOND READING ORDINANCE D 2595 21.

WHICH ESTABLISHES THE PREPARATIONS FOR THE 2022 BUDGET.

THIS IS A MISSION WAS HELD OVER AT THE LAST MEETING. COUNCILMAN WORRELL YOU WILL MAKE SOME COMMENTS?> THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN CONVERSATION AND YOU JUST MENTIONED IT MADAM PRESIDENT ABOUT SOME AMENDMENTS COMING REGARDING THE SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS. I WANTED TO THAT IF I COULD.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT LINE ITEM.

THE SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS HAS BEEN A PRIMARY PILLAR OF THE ECONOMIC STRATEGY FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL FOR A LONG TIME. AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. AND, WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND BUILT THE ARTS AND ASSIGNED DISTRICT, THE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS I PUT SOME PRETTY SERIOUS INVESTMENT INTO SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS. I THINK THE STRATEGY HAS GIVEN US THE LUXURY OF A BUDGET THAT NOW IS BEFORE US THAT ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICES, YET AT THE SAME TIME KEEPING OUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAXES LOW.

THAT TO ME IS A VERY STRONG INDICATOR AND AS I'VE ALWAYS SAID I WOULD USE DATA AND FACTS TO MAKE DECISIONS AND TRY NOT TO LET EMOTION GET IN THE WAY. FOR 20 YEARS I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSD THESE INVESTMENTS PAY OFF OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AS WE ALL HEARD AT OUR LAST MEETING, REPUBLIC WITH A $200 MILLION ECONOMIC IMPACT TO OUR COMMUNITY ANNOUNCES THEIR COMING TO CARMEL AND THEY REFERENCE THE LIFE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE THEY REFERENCE, NOT ONLY THEIR EMPLOYERS WILL EXPERIENCE LIVING IN CARMEL BUT ALSO THAT MANY, MANY VISITORS AND PEOPLE GETTING TRAINED WHAT EXPERIENCE. I LOOK AT THE SPANDING ON THE ARTS AS AN INVESTMENT. I KNOW THAT I AM PROBABLY IN THE MINORITY ON THAT.

I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. I LOOK AT IT AS AN INVESTMENT THAT HAS PAID OFF AND I THINK I CAN SAY THERE HAS BEEN A RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PUT THIS BUDGET INTO CONTEXT. AS I HAVE RECEIVED EMAILS FROM CITIZENS WHO ARE READING COMMENTARY IN THE PAPER AND ETC. SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THIS BUDGET AT THE END OF 2022 WILL HAVE I BELIEVE IT'S A 19 MILLION, NO EXCUSE ME, $20,670,000 SURPLUS AT THE END

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OF 2022. IT'S NOT LIKE WHERE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPENDING MORE THAN WE BRING IN THAT KIND OF THING. I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH TALK ABOUT THAT.

I WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. BUT, IF IT WERE TO PASS THAT SURPLUS WOULD BE THERE AND I KNOW THAT IS PROBABLY NOT A REALITY. I'M GOING TO APPEAL TO MY COLLEAGUES. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT A BLANK CHECK OR CONCERN ABOUT A ROUND NUMBER OF ONE PERCENT. WHAT I HAVE DONE IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IS LOOKING AT 3 VERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

I'M GOING TO START WITH A RECOGNITION TO OUR VETERANS. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT I FIRST LEARNED ABOUT WHEN WE ASKED THE VFW TO MOVE FROM OLD TOWN TO MAKE WAY FOR SOPHIA SQUARE AND THEY GRACIOUSLY, WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE IT OUT THAT IS THE COMPLICATION OF MANY OF THESE PROJECTS. THAT HAS BEEN MANY YEARS AGO. WITH AMOUNT TO OLD MERIDIAN AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE CREATING A RECOGNITION THAT WOULD WATER OUR VETERANS WITH, MAYBE IWO JIMA TYPE OF MONUMENT.

SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SPECIAL AND CREATIVE OUT ON AROUND ABOUT THAT OLD MERIDIAN OR MAYBE UP ON MAIN STREET THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED. THERE IS A COMMITTE, THEY HAVE ART EVENT DISCUSSING IT. THE MAYOR IS IN A SITUATION WHERE HE WOULD LIKE TO HONOR THOSE LONG-TERM COMMITMENTS. THE NEXT ONE I WANT, THAT WOULD BE 250,000.

IN THIS BUDGET I AM APPEALING FOR 250,000. THEN AT A FEW MEETINGS AGO MAYBE IT'S BEEN A YEAR I'M NOT SURE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIVERSITY OF OUR STATUES OF OUR ARTWORK. AT THAT POINT THIS COUNCIL CREATED A, AND COVERED SOME FUNDS IN CREATING OR PURCHASING A STATUE THAT WOULD REFLECT THE INDIAN HERITAGE OF INDIAN CULTURE. SINCE THAT TIME THAT COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN UP AND HAS ASKED THAT MAYBE IT BE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. AND THAT THEY WOULD COMPETE OR HELP TO COMPLETE THE PURCHASE BY CONTRIBUTING. SO KIND OF 3RD, 3RD, THIRD.

THEY WOULD RAISE MONEY TO HANDLE 3RD OF IT. WE ALREADY COVERED 3RD AND THEN IN THIS BUDGET ASKING FOR HUNDRED D 10,000. III TRANCHE OF WHAT I BELIEVE THIS MIGHT MODEST REQUEST IS SCULPTURES OUT ON IN FRONT OF THE PALLADIUM.

THE JAZZ TRIO. I DID NOT REALIZE THOSE HAVE BEEN THERE ALMOST 10 YEARS.

BUT, THEY ARE ON LOAN. THERE ARE 2 BACK. THEY DO NOT BELONG TO US.

AND SO THE MAYOR HAS ASKED FOR 240,002 PURCHASE THAT JAZZ TRIO.

SO, I AM PREPARED WITH EVERY BIT OF HUMILITY THAT I CAN MUSTER TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER HELPING US KEEP SOME COMMITMENTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY THAT ARE ONGOING AND DO WHAT I THINK I'VE HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUES WHICH WAS TO NARROW IT DOWN TO GET SPECIFIC AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE MANAGEABLE. I'VE SPOKEN TO THE MAYOR I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAYOR WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THIS CONVERSATION.

I'VE ASKED HIM, THIS IS IT. YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IT FOR THIS AMOUNT.

SO I AM PREPARED TO REDUCE, I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE ONE MORE SMALL THING I THINK IS IMPORTANT. ACCORDING AND BEING AVAILABLE TO ACCEPT OR CONTRIBUTE TO ARTS ORGANIZATIONS. NOT ARTWORK, NOT SCULPTURES. OVEMBER BACK WHEN WE WERE AFTER CIVIC THEATER. WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WAS ON COUNCIL BACK THEN.

THAT WAS A TOUGH THING TO DO. THAT REQUIRES SOME HONEY. I HAVE ACTUALLY, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BRING THE NUMBER UP TO WHERE IT WAS LAST YEAR. IN ALL, FULL TRANSPARENCY ASKING FOR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO GO FOR ARTS ORGANIZATIONS TO SUPPORT OF THEM. REMEMBER IF IT DOESN'T GET SPENT GOES RIGHT BACK AND CONVERTS BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. AND THERE IS A PROCESS TO APPLY FOR IT.T CAN ONLY EQUAL SO MUCH ETC. ETC. I AM PREPARED AND WOULD ASK PERMISSION OF THE

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CHAIR TO OFFER A MOTION TO MY COLLEAGUES TO REDUCE THE MAYOR'S BUDGET FOR SUPPORT OF THE ARTS BY $483,000 AND CHANGE. THAT'S A ROUGH NUMBER.

THAT'S A DIRECTIONAL NUMBER. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNCILMAN WORRELL. WE HAVE A SECOND. I BELIEVE WE HAVE COUNSELOR TIF

THAT WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT AND THEN COUNCILMAN NELSON. >> THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT.

FIRST OF ALL OF MY THINK COUNSELOR WORRELL WHICH IS A VERY FAIR COMPROMISE.

I KNOW NOT EVERYONE SEES EYE TO EYE WHEN IT COMES ARTS FUNDING BUT I THINK THESE ARE ALL WORTHY PROJECTS. AND FUNDING WE HAVE IT HERE. JUST IN GENERAL I WANT TO THE IMPORTANCE OF FRONTING ARTS IN OUR CITY. THE MAYOR SAID IT AGAIN AND AGAIN WITHOUT BALANCE OR OCEANS. I KNOW IT'S BECOME A LITTLE BIT OF A CLICHC). IT IS TRUE. CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE ALL LOOKING FOR AN IDENTITY. SOMETHING THAT MAKES THEM STAND OUT.

INDIANAPOLIS, DECADES AGO TOOK A HUGE GAMBLE WITH MAYOR HAD NOT BUILDING A STADIUM BEFORE THEY EVEN HAD A TEAM BECAUSE IT PWAS THAT IMPORTANT TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THEIR CITY.

AND THEY DID IT WITH SPORTS. WE SEE SOME SMALL TOWNS THAT WILL HAVE LITERALLY THE WORLD'S BIGGEST BALL OF TWINE BECAUSE THEY ARE THAT DESIRE IS TO GET SOMEONE TO COME INTO THEIR TOWN AND SPEND MONEY. WE HAVE HAD A SUCCESSFUL STRATEGY OVER THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS OF USING THE ARTS TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT ATTRACTS BUSINESSES, NEW RESIDENTS AND CONSUMERS WHO COME IN, SPEND MONEY ENTER BUSINESSES AND HELP CREATE A TAX BASE THAT ALLOWS US TO DO SO MANY WONDERFUL THINGS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.

I WOULD SPECIFICALLY WANT TO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS.

I THINK THAT IS ACTUALLY WHERE WE RECEIVED THE BIGGEST RETURN ON INVESTMENT WHEN PEOPLE GO OUT TO A SHOW AT THE PALLADIUM OR THE STUDIO FOR THE TARKINGTON.

AFTER GO OUT TO EAT BEFORE A SHOW. THEY PAY FOR A BABYSITTER.

THEY GET A HOTEL ROOM IF THERE FROM OUT OF TOWN. WE SEE THAT ROLLING EFFECT OF THOSE DOLLARS COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY. AS A FORMER BUSINESS OWNER I SAW IT.HENEVER THERE WAS A BIG SHOW AT THE PALLADIUM CIRCLE THOSE DAYS ON THE CALENDAR BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WOULD BE BUSY. IT PUTS PEOPLE TO WORK.

IF PARTS OF DOLLARS BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE MAKE MONEY OFF THIS INVESTMENT. WE PUT IN 100,000 AND WE GET THE MONEY BACK FOR OUR TAXPAYERS IN THE FORM OF A RETURN ON INVESTMENT. SO, I APPRECIATE THIS COMPROMISE. ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SAY THIS STRATEGY HAS BEEN WORKING OVER THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS. I DON'T SEE A REASON TO CHANGE COURSE ON THE STRATEGY.

THIS IS A VERY MODEST REQUEST ON COUNSELOR WORRELL'S PART AND I ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO GIVE A

CONSIDERATION. >> COUNSELOR NELSON? >> THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT.

OUR INVESTMENT IN THE ARTS HELPS MAKE OUR CITY VIBRANT. A CULTURAL HUB, A DESTINATION CITY. MORE IMPORTANTLY INVESTING IN THE ARTS IS SMART ECONOMICALLY.

EVERY ART ORIENTED EVENT BRINGS IN REAL REVENUE TO OUR CITY. EVERY ART EVENT AND ATTRACTION AND TO MAKING CARAMEL A DESTINATION THAT ATTRACTS TOURISM.

EVERY TOURIST VISITS ARE BEAUTIFUL CITY TO ENJOY THE ARTS WILL SPEND MONEY IN RESTAURANTS AND OUR STORES. IN A 2015 STUDY, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, AMERICAN FOR THE ARTS DID A STUDY OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, THE ARTS HAD ON OUR CITY.

THE STUDY FOUND THAT WHEN A NON-RESIDENT VISITS CARMEL TO ATTEND AN ART EVENT THEY SPENT $43 ABOVE AND BEYOND THE COST OF THE COST OF ENTRY. THE TICKET.

EVERY CARMEL CARMELITE ATTENDING EVENTS EVERY . CARMEL HOSTED NDRED AND THOUSAND NON-RESIDENTS. IN HUNDRED 57,000 RESIDENTS. ALL ATTENDING OUR ART ATTRACTIONS. THAT'S 264,000 PEOPLE. THAT ADDED $7 MILLION TO OUR CITY. THAT'S A GREAT INVESTMENT. ADDITIONALLY, CARMEL IS NOW HOME TO OVER HUNDRED 31 CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS. THESE COMPANIES INCLUDING AMERICAN AIRWAYS CHOOSING CARMEL OVER OTHER CITIES. BECAUSE OF OUR CITY'S BEAUTY,

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CULTURE, QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE EASE OF ATTRACTING HIGH QUALITY EMPLOYEES WHO ARE NOT WILLING TO MOVE TO CARMEL. A SUBURB OF INDIANAPOLIS. TO COMPARE, FISHERS ONLY HAS 11 HEADQUARTERS. AS THESE HEADQUARTERS THAT GENERATE SIGNIFICANT TAX REVENUE FOR CARMEL. WE NEED TO COMPETE WITH OTHER CITIES IN HAMILTON COUNTY AND THE MIDWEST. FRANKLY IN THE COUNTRY. AND SO FAR WE ARE DOING AN AMAZING JOB. ABOUT PERFORMING. THE COMPETITION AND PUNCHING ABOVE OUR WEIGHT LASS. WE MUST CONTINUE INVESTING AND NOT REST ON OUR LAURELS.

WE DO OUR BEST AS A COUNCIL TO SPEND OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY WISELY.

I TRY TO ENSURE THE CITY SPENDS CAREFULLY WITH PURPOSE AND WITH A GOOD RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT. I FEEL THAT INVESTING IN THE ARTS IS A GREAT INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY AND THAT'S WHY CHOOSE TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNSELOR -QUICKBOOKS MADAM PRESIDENT.

COUNSELOR NELSON HAVE TO MODERATELY DISAGREE WITH YOU. I CONSIDER ANNAPOLIS SUBURB OF

CARMEL. >>.

POTHER THING I WAS GONNA SAY COUNSELOR ]23. MY WIFE AND I WERE DRIVING THERE'S A TOWN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN HERE IN ST. LOUIS THAT HAS 12 OR 14 OF THE LARGEST OF SOMETHING AND WE DROVE THE ENTIRE Y AND ATE LUNCH. IT DOES WORK.

K. [LAUGHTER]. WHEN IT COMES TO THE ARTS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE BLANK CHECK.

I CALLED THE MAYOR ON IT AND I SAID I CAN'T JUST $21.3 MILLION.

AND I SAID I NEED SPECIFICS. OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND RECENTLY LAST WEEK COUNSELOR WORRELL CALLED ME AND SAID HEY LET'S TALK. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE ARTS.

I TOTALLY GET WHERE WE'VE GONE WITH THE ARTS. I PROBABLY AS MANY OR MORE RESIDENTS FROM OUT OF THE CITY THAN ANYBODY AROUND THE CITY. OWNING 2 RESTAURANTS.

THEY TELL ME WHY THEY COME HERE. THEY TELL ME WHERE THEY MOVE HERE. THERE WAS A LARGE COMPANY THAT MOVED HERE, GOT DONE AND WAS US AND THE OTHER CITY AND THE WIFE SITTING IN THE RESTAURANT SINCE CARMEL ONE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE PUT INTO THE ARTS. SO, TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF SPENDING ON THE ARTS.

I WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF KNOWN SPECIFICS. AFTER MEETING WITH COUNSELOR WORRELL IN SPEAKING WITH THE MAYOR I DO SUPPORT THE THINGS THAT COUNSEL MEN 12 HAS MENTIONED. BECAUSE OF SPECIFICS. THE VETERANS WOULD BE ALSO THE VETERANS RAISING MONEY. THIS IS IN US PAYING FOR THE ENTIRE THING.

THE INDIAN SCULPTURE WOULD BE THE INDIAN COMMUNITY. THEY WOULDN'T BE, THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE IN THE PAST AND I THINK THEY WOULD BE HERE. THIS WOULD BE AS PARTNERING WITH THEM TO FINISH SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEIR COMMUNITY.

AND THE JAZZ TRIO, IF YOU WALK AROUND THE PALLADIUM, THEY BELONG THERE NOW.

THEY'VE BEEN THERE 10 YEARS. IT COULD NOT FIT IN MORE. THOSE ARE SPECIFICS, THINGS I COULD HANG MY HAT ON. THE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS IN A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH COUNCILMAN WORRELL TODAY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND IT. HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR A NEW GROUP THAT MIGHT WANT TO BECOME A RESIDENT COMPANY OR MIGHT WANT TO VISITS US MULTIPLE TIMES TO GET BECOME PART OF OUR, THE PERFORMING ARTS IN OUR CITY. SO, I DO SUPPORT AND SECOND

AMENDMENT AND PLAN TO VOTE FOR THIS. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> GUESS MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS ILMAN AN HANNON. PERSON WANT TO BE CLEAR ON HIS WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE DIRECT COURSE TO MAINTAIN THE COURSE WHICH IS ONE PERCENT OF THE GENERAL BUDGET WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE DONE THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

IT'S A DECREASE IN FUNDING IS JUST NOT A DOUBLING OF THIS PARTICULAR LINE ITEM.

THE MAYOR WOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY AS HE DID LAST YEAR TO COME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN, BUSINESS CASE SO TO SPEAK. THAT HAS BEEN VETTED AND PARTICULARLY THROUGH THE PERFORMING I'M SORRY ADVISORY HAD COUNSEL ON ARTS TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES TO THE PLAN, ETC. WE COULD GET PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT AS WELL.

RATHER THAN GIVING ADDITIONAL FUNDING BEYOND ONE PERCENT. BUT I HAVE PROPOSED AND WILL CONTINUE TO PROPOSE IS WE STAND ONE PERCENT IN ANY PARTICULAR PROJECTS WHICH WOULD GET MORE THAN JUST A PASSING PRESENTATION, VERBAL PRESENTATION FROM THE COUNSELOR

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WOULD BE THOROUGHLY CONSIDERED. I THINK THIS IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS DISCRETIONARY DOLLARS. THIS IS NOT POLICE CRUISERS.

THIS IS NOT A NEW FIRE TRUCK. THIS IS NOT PUBLIC SAFETY. THIS IS DISCRETIONARY DOLLARS.

ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD CHANGE OUR COURSE BEYOND ONE PERCENT SHOULD COME THROUGH WITH A VERY SPECIFIC DETAILED PLAN FOR THAT. FOR THESE BRIEF SPECIFICS THAT COUNSELOR MOREL BROUGHT I'LL START WITH THE VETERANS ROUNDABOUT ON ONE OF 2 VETERANS ON THIS PLATFORM. I SERVED 33 YEARS IN THE NAVY AND WAS COMBAT DECORATED.

I ACTUALLY BELONG TO THE VFW HERE IN CARMEL AND OF HAVE THIS CONVERSATION FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME TRYING TO EVENTUALLY GET FUNDING FOR OR GET DESIGNATION OF VETERANS ROUNDABOUTS. IT IS INCREDIBLY PREMATURE TO EVEN GUESS WHAT THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE, WITHOUT PROJECT IS AT THIS TIME. IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER AND I WOULD SAY THIS BOTH AS A COUNSELOR AND AS A VETERAN TO WAIT UNTIL THE COMMITTEE ACTUALLY NEEDS. WE HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS, WE GO THROUGH ALTERNATIVES.

WE LOOK AT FUNDING SOURCES WHICH SHOULD INCLUDE PUBLIC, PRIVATE AS WELL AS CORPORATE DONATIONS BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AGAIN, AS A VETERAN I'M TELLING YOU THIS DOES NOT NEED TO BE IN THIS APPROPRIATION LINE. IT SHOULD COME BEFORE YOU ONCE OUR COMMITTEE HAS ACTUALLY MET. WE'VE DECIDED UPON WHAT WE WILL DO AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FUNDS OF COURSES OF ACTION. WITH REGARD TO THE SUPER JOHNSON.

SPENDING ANOTHER $240,000 TO OWN YET 3 MORE SUPER JOHNSON SCULPTURES.

I'VE YET TO MEET ANYONE IN MY TRAVELS THAT LIKES THE SEWARD JOHNSON.

STATUES OR WHO WOULD SUPPORT 240,000 FOR MORE THEM. MAYBE ABBOTT BUMPED INTO THAT PERSON YET THAT LIKES THEM. CERTAINLY NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THEM.

WITH REGARDS TO THE INDIAN FAMILY. AGAIN, IT'S WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION. WE GAVE AN ADDITIONAL ESSENTIALLY EMERGENCY APPROPRIATION AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. ABOVE AND BEYOND THE MAYOR'S PERCENT BUDGET. TO GIVE AN ADDITIONAL HUNDRED $80,000 FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR.

CERTAINLY I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO THERE.

I THINK THE ISSUE THOUGH IS AGAIN, WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC DETAILS ON THIS? WHAT IS THE RUSH TO DO THIS? WHY CAN'T THAT COME BEFORE US AS A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL WITH AGAIN FUNDING SOURCES, PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY COMMENTING AS WELL.

THOUGH, AGAIN I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF THESE ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATIONS.

AGAIN I WOULD GO BACK TO MY SUGGESTION WHICH IS AGAIN WHY I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR THIS AMENDMENT IS WE STAY THE COURSE AT ONE PERCENT AND ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR ANY OF THESE PROJECTS WHETHER IT'S A SEWARD JOHNSON SCULPTURE OR THE INDIAN FAMILY OR VFW FUNDING.

SHOULD COME BEFORE US WITH A FORMAL PRESENTATION WITH PUBLIC INPUT BEFORE WE DECIDE ON

SPENDING DISCRETIONARY FUNDS. >> THINKING COUNSELOR GREEN. >> THINKING MADAM PRESIDENT.

I AGREE WITH MUCH OF WHAT'S BEEN SAID BY PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY UP HERE.

INVESTING IN THE ARTS IS IMPORTANT. IT GIVES US A LEG UP.

IT HELPS INCREASE OUR, PEOPLE MOVING HERE PEOPLE COMING HERE. PUTS US ON THE MOUNT.

BUT, I DON'T FEEL DOUBLING IT OR EVEN INCREASING IT, THE RATE OF INVESTMENT IN ARTS WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AT THIS TIME. IT'S NOT THAT WERE DEFUNDING THE ARTS.

JUST MAINTAINING THE COURSE. RETAINING EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE.

THERE'S OTHER PRIORITIES OUT THERE THAT SHOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR FUNDING RIGHT NOW.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST WE NOT INCREASE THE FUNDING TO THE ARTS BUT MAINTAIN IT.

>> THINKING COUNSELOR MET CAMPBELL. >> THINKING MADAM PRESIDENT.

THANK YOU TO COUNSELOR MOREL FOR ATTEMPTING TO COMPROMISE HERE.

I PERSONALLY SUPPORT THE ARTS. I PURCHASED TICKETS TO SHOWS AND I ALSO SPONSOR SOME OF YOU ON THIS. I KNOW FIRSTHAND WHAT THE ARTS BRING TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE HERE. I'VE BEEN VERY FRUSTRATED WITH NOT BEING ABLE AS A COUNSELOR TO HAVE A SAY IN HOW THE FUNDING FOR THE ARTS IS SPENT. THIS IS REALLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE MAYOR YET, THE COUNSEL IS THE BODY THAT RECEIVES A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS. THE MOST RECENT AND VIVID EXAMPLE S IN FOR A KROGER RIDGELINE ROAD. WE DIDN'T HAVE A SAY IN THAT. WE RECEIVED HUNDREDS OF COMMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND VIA EMAIL. AND THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAT WE HAVE A SAY IN HOW THE MINING IS SPENT. I FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT WE

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RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAILS BOTH FOR AND AGAINST THE INCREASE AND WHEN I ASKED PEOPLE WHO WERE IN FAVOR OF AN INCREASE, IF THEIR BUSINESSES WOULD CONSIDER EITHER A SPONSORSHIP OF THE ARTS OR INCREASING THEIR SPONSORSHIP, ALL BUT REALLY ONE RESPONSE WAS KIND OF PUT OFF BY MY QUESTION. BUT THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE. IF WE KNOW THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT THE ARTS HAVE IN OUR CITY, OUR COMMUNITIES. WHY AREN'T BUSINESSES INVESTING MORE IN THE ARTS? I DON'T KNOW IF THE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AREN'T DOING THE ASK? BUT, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE A LITTLE MORE SKIN IN THE GAME AND DO MORE FUNDRAISING. WE TALKED ABOUT THE EFFECT OF THE PANDEMIC ON OUR ORCS ORGANIZATIONS. MY FRUSTRATION IS HOW FEW ARTS ORGANIZATIONS REALLY STEPPED UP AND CONTINUE TO E RELEVANT LAST YEAR. THE EXCEPTIONS ARE TRULY THE CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS. THEY HAVE AVID STREAMING OPTIONS WHICH ARE ALSO FOUND AS A MEMBER OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON DISABILITY IS THAT IT ALLOWED PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE CAN'T GET OUT TO SHOWS AN ABILITY TO EXPERIENCE SOME HIGH QUALITY PERFORMANCES.

ACTORS THEATRE OF INDIANA HAD A DRIVE-IN THEATER. WHICH WAS FUN. WENT TO JUST ABOUT ALL OF THEM. TOOK PLACE OUTSIDE. VERY CREATIVE THINKING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD EXPECT FROM OUR ARTS ORGANIZATIONS. SO, IN MY OTHER CONCERN IS THE ABILITY OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO ATTRACT A YOUNGER AUDIENCE. A LOT OF TIMES I WILL GO TO SOME OF THESE PERFORMANCES AND I'M IN MY 50S. OFTEN THE BEST PERSON IN THE ROOM. I LIKE TO SEE WHAT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS ARE DOING TO INCREASE ATTRACTION TO A YOUNGER AUDIENCE. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF INCREASED FUNDING AS MUCH AS I LOVE THE ARTS AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THAT ITHAS ON OUR LOCAL

COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? OKAY, SAYING NONE. WE WILL TAKE A VOTE AND REFRESHER ON WHAT WERE VOTING ON. THE MOTION IS TO CUT $483,000. FROM THE SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS

FUND. CORRECT COUNCILMAN FROM 12 TO. >> YES THAT'S CORRECT MADAM

PRESIDENT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, SOBER CRYSTAL CLEAR.

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS IN THAT SO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL AS

UNAMENDED IS 2.4 MILLION, IS THAT RIGHT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT THE NUMBER

WOULD BE $483,555. >> I THINK WHAT COUNSELOR HANAN WHAT IS TOTAL AMOUNT IN THE

LINE ITEM NOW. >> 2,000,003 AND $67,109. >> WHAT WITH THE AMENDED AMOUNT

BE? >> $1,883,554.50. >> 1 MILLION 800?

>> $83,554.54. >> KEVIN, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. IS IT?

>> 1.8 INCIDENT? >> DID YOU SAY 1,000,080 3000. >> THANK YOU.

>> I JUST REPEATED 83 BECAUSE HE WAS ASKING WITHOUT WAS. >> GOT YOU.

>> COUNSELOR HANNON I GO WITHOUT? >> YES I JUST WANTED TO MAKE

SURE WE KNEW THE EXACT NUMBERS ON THE TABLE. >> OKAY, WE WILL DO THE VOTE.

IF YOUR FOR CUTTING THE 483 INTO THE AFFIRMATIVE. IF YOU'RE AGAINST IT IT WOULD

BE IN THE NEGATIVE. [VOTING] >> THAT FAILS.

COUNSELOR RIDER REQUEST MADAM PRESIDENT.E HAVE A JOB AS A PHYSICAL PRODUCT I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT JOBS IS PASSING OUR BUDGET. AND, I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS HERE WE ARE AT A 4 Ã4 LOCK. SO, THOSE OF US WHO SUPPORTED THIS HAVE TALKED TO THE ITEMS THAT WE LIKE TO SEE. AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN FROM

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AROUND. ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT SAID IT WHEN IT WAS A BLANK CHECK.

WE CAN ALWAYS COME IN AND GET IT ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION LATER.

BUT, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, IF WE TRY ON OUR BUDGET WE DON'T PASS A BUDGET WE GET LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE HARMED THE MOST BY LAST YEAR'S BUDGET FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. SO, NUMBER ONE THEY WOULD GET A RAISE. NUMBER 2, THERE'S THINGS THAT GO IN AS EACH YEAR PROGRESSES ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. IT WOULD NOT BE GOOD FOR THE CITY.

SO AS A COMPROMISE, SEEING THAT WHERE A 4 Ã4. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE ARTS FUNDING FROM 2 PERCENT BACK TO ONE PERCENT WHICH WOULD BE 1,183,50 $4.50.

>> SECOND. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COUNSELOR GREENE?

>> THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE COMPROMISE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THE LAST 2 BUDGET CYCLES I VOTED AGAINST THE BUDGET.

GENERALLY THE SAME TYPE OF REASONS. NOT BELIEVING THERE IS ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS. AFTER LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS THIS PAST YEAR AND THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WITH CHIEF BARLOW THEY ARE TAKING STEPS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT HIRING AS MANY POLICE OFFICERS AS THEY FEEL THEY NEED AND BARELY MAKING UP WITH THOSE THAT ARE PRETIRING. THEY ARE INVESTING IN FORCE MULTIPLIERS THAT ARE HELPING AND MAKING THINGS MORE EFFICIENT. AND I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT INVESTING MORE THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IN SIDEWALKS, MULTI-PARENTS, INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS DOES FREE COUNSELOR RIDER'S MOTION. IT DOES FREE UP FUNDS THAT COULD BE USED TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THIS YEAR I WILL BE

SUPPORTING THE BUDGET. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT.

JUST SPEAKING TO THE MOTION FROM COUNSELOR RIDER. ALTHOUGH I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT WE ARE TAKING THE APPROACH FOR THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED ON THE DAIS.

THAT WE ARE GOING TO I GUESS NOT NOT INCREASE OUR SPENDING ON THE ARTS.

I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS AND I'M VOTING FOR IT ONLY BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR EMPLOYEES RECEIVE THEIR DUE. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THE EMPLOYEES DEAL.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS HAS A SURPLUS. THIS BUDGET HAS A SURPLUS OF $20 MILLION. THAT JUST BLOWS MY MIND. AND, I WILL WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT SOONER THAN LATER THAT THE VETERANS ARE TAKING CARE OF AS WE HAVE BEEN

PROMISED AND I WILL VOTE FOR THIS. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> MADAM PRESIDENT. COUNSELOR CAMPBELL. >> AGAIN I WANT TO THANK OUR FELLOW COUNSELORS FOR THE COMPROMISE IS. WE'VE HAD SOME OF THE BEST CONVERSATIONS DURING THIS BUDGET CYCLE. THEN WE HAVE IN MY ENTIRE TIME ON COUNCIL. ONLY 6 YEARS. WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD PROCESS AND COUNSELOR GREENE AND I WORKED ON I WORKED FOR MEETINGS WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS TOGETHER.

IT'S A REALLY GOOD SOLID PROCESS. I THINK IT'S TERRIFIC.

THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD, I THINK ARE AMONG THE BEST WE HAVE HAD.

VERY PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY EMPLOYEES FOR ALL THE EFFORTS THEY HAVE MADE. THEY REALLY MAKE QUITE AN EFFORT TO NOT INCREASE OUR BUDGETS AND TO BE AS FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE WITH THEIR DOLLARS AS POSSIBLE.

AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING A PART OF THIS PROCESS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

COUNSELOR RIDER WE TAKE THE GOBBLE FOR A MOMENT.>> MADAM PRESIDENT.

>> I WANT TO BE CLEAR HERE IN THIS GREAT CONVERSATION THIS EVENING.

TO UNDERSCORE THAT THIS MOTION HERE DOES NOT CUT ARTS FUNDING. AS IT'S ALREADY BEEN ELIMINATED AT LEAST BY COUNSELOR AND MAINTAINS IT. IN FACT, AS APPROVED WE WILL HAVE AUTHORIZED A RECORD AMOUNT OF FUNDS FOR THE ARTS. BECAUSE EVERY YEAR, SINCE IS A ONE PERCENT IT'S TIED TO THE BUDGET AND THE BUDGET GOES UP EVERY YEAR A LITTLE BIT.

IT'S INCREASING THAT FUNDING EVERY SINGLE YEAR, THEREFORE SOME HAVE MENTIONED WE SHOULDN'T CHANGE COURSE AND I AGREE. THIS BOAT KEEPS INTACT BUT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. IN LOOKING AT TOTAL ARTS SPENDING AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE

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THE BONES THAT SUPPORT THE CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS. HE SPENT APPROXIMATELY 5 PERCENT OF HER GENERAL FUND BUDGET ON THE ARTS EXCLUDING THE GRANTS.

FOR THOSE WHO ARE WONDERING IF OUR COUNCIL SUPPORTS THE ARTS YOU HEARD EVERY SINGLE MEMBER ON THIS DAY US AND MYSELF VERBALLY SUPPORT THE ARTS AND WERE GOING TO PROVE IT HERE WITH A RECORD VOTE FOR THIS FUNDING. AND, TO PUT IT IN ANOTHER TERM TO WHAT COUNSELOR AASEN SAID. WE BOUGHT A LOT OF TWINING IN EQUITY TO MORE TWINE GOING FORWARD. THIS DOESN'T APPROVE THE $5 MILLION IN SCULPTURES PREPARED FOR THE TIF BOND FOR 96TH STREET SO THAT'S A BIG TRENCH OF DOLLARS.

THIS IS NOT A NO. THIS IS A NOT NOW, MAYBE LATER PROVIDE US WITH MORE INFORMATION. I THINK ALL OF US ARE INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING SEVERAL OF THE THINGS THAT JEFF WORRELL ADVOCATED FOR PASSIONATELY.

WE WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN.

A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT'S BEING REQUESTED.

I THINK ALL OF US AND COUNSELOR CAMPBELL MENTIONED THIS. WANT TO SEE MORE SUPPORT FROM CORPORATE COMMUNITY. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL LARGE CORPORATIONS SUPPORT WITH MAJOR DOLLARS. THERE IS STILL ROOM IN FROM A CORPORATE COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT THE ARTS. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PERHAPS AN INVESTMENT IN A FUNDRAISER. MAYBE TO HELP WITH THE CITY. WHETHER IT BE FOR THE ARTS IN EVENTS OR EVENTS IN THE DISTRICT. I COULD GET THAT OUT.

A PREVIOUS COUNCIL APPROVED THE SPORT FOR ARTS APPROVAL.I'M HEARING FROM SEVERAL OF HER COUNSELORS TO WANT TO REVISIT THAT. I THINK IT'S HEALTHY AND SOMETHING WE CONTINUE AFTER THE BUDGET. IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE MAYOR TO JUST DECIDE WHAT'S THE BEST PROCESS FOR THIS COUNSELOR TO EVALUATE AND IMPROVE ARTS FUNDING. WITH THAT I WOULD ASK THAT WE CALL THE QUESTION.

>> THINK IT MADAM PRESIDENT. COUNSELOR CAMPBELL? >> ARE WE VOTING ON THE

AMENDMENT TO. >>. >> A YES VOTE WOULD BE TO GO TO

ONE ENT. [VOTING] >> PRESIDENT VICTIM THE GAVELS

BACK TO YOU. I LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED. >> COUNSELOR RIDER.

>> ARE GONNA TAKE THIS COUNCIL, WE WORK THINGS OUT. IT IS OUR JOB.

IT IS A BATTLE, ORAL FIGHTING THE WAR TOGETHER. YOU CONTINUE TO COMPROMISE UNTIL YOU COME TO AN AGREEMENT. THAT'S HOW THIS WORKS THIS EVENING.

I HAVE ONE MORE AMENDMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE. WE DISCUSSED THIS DURING THE BUDGET HEARINGS. BUT, IT HAS TO BE DONE HERE AS I WAS TOLD.

AND IT IS, AND THE POLICE BUDGET IS 5435-003 UNDER FESTIVALS AND COMMUNITIES.

RIGHT NOW IT'S 50,00. DURING THE BUDGET HEARINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AND THE MAYOR AGREED AND COUNCILMEMBERS DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE AN ISSUE RAISING THAT TO 60,000.

THAT MANY GOES TO A CHILD OF THE CONFIG CENTER CALLED CHERISHED CENTER.

BEEN ON THE BOARD SINCE IT'S INCEPTION. WE FORENSICALLY INTERVIEW KIDS IN HAMILTON COUNTY AND WE HELP OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE BEEN MOLESTED OR ABUSED.T'S NOT SOMETHING ANYONE EVER WANTS TO TALK ABOUT. RAISING MONEY FOR IT IS NOT FOR FUN AND WARM AND DOESN'T WARM YOUR HEART IKE IT DOES FOR SOME THINGS.

AND OF TRYING TO GET THE CITIES INVOLVED COUNSELOR CAMPBELL HAS BEEN A BIG SUPPORTER AND OUR BREAKFAST EVERY YEAR AND I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT. AND, I GOT UP THIS YEAR AT THE BREAKFAST AND I SAID, NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SPEAKING BUT I'M GOING TO SPEAK ANYBODY.

THERE'S A LOT OF COUNTY LEADERS HERE. I'VE BEEN TOLD IN THE PAST THAT THEY CAN GIVE MONEY TO ARITY EVERY CHARITY BECAUSE WERE 501(C)(3).

WHERE PUBLIC SERVICE. IF WE DIDN'T EXIST IN EVERY COMMUNITY IN HAMILTON COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO DO IT THEMSELVES AND TRUST ME. YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

I SENT THROUGH AN INTERVIEW BEFORE. YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

OUR PEOPLE ARE VERY WELL PTRAINED. WE DO AN EXCELLENT JOB.

ALL THE DIFFERENT POLICE DEPARTMENT OF THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH US. WE ARE A PUBLIC SERVICE. AGAIN, ANYBODY WATCHING THIS, TELL LEADERS OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES TO STEP UP LIKE CARAMEL HOUSE.

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. FOR THAT I MAKE A COMMITMENT TO RAISE THAT FROM $50-$60,000.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> MADAM PRESIDENT. >> POINT OF ORDER I BELIEVE WE

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ALREADY APPROVE THE BUDGET HAVE WE NOT? >> NO WE DID NOT.

>> WE JUST CUT THE SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS FUND BY 1.183 5.4.50. >> THANK YOU.

>> OF EMOTION, TO HAVE A SECOND? >> I'M SORRY 10 OTHER POINT OF ORDER. AS WORTHY AS THIS IS DOES COUNSELOR RIDER NEED TO RECUSE

HIMSELF BECAUSE HE IS ON THE BOARD? >> LORD HAVE MERCY.

>> I WILL LET OBERLANDER COME TO THE DAIS BUT IN SHORT NO. IF HE IS NOT ENRICHED BY THIS INCREASE IN FEES NOT PAID BOARD MEMBER AND NOT GET ABRIDGMENT HE SHOULD HAVE TO RECUSE

HIMSELF. MR. OBERLANDER WOULD YOU AGREE? >> I AGREED WITHOUT COUNSELOR

FINKAM. >> MADAM PRESIDENT GET TO COMMENT ON THAT SINCE MY NAME WAS THROWN OUT THERE PLEASE. WHEN THIS WAS CREATED YEARS AGO, NUMBER ONE WE DON'T MAKE A DIME. IN THE FIRST 10 MONTHS OF HIS OPEN 3 TIMES ARUBA PERSONAL CHECK TO COVER PAYROLL BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. SO, NO UP TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM

THE SPELL. >> AGAIN, JUST TO BE CLEAR THIS IS A CURRENT ACCUSATION WAS A POINT OF ORDER, DO WE NEED TO DO THAT IF YOU'RE INVOLVED IN IT.

AS I SAID IT'S A VERY WORTHY CAUSE. THANK YOU.

>> SECOND. >> I KNOW YOU HAD TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. COUNSELOR RIDER I APPRECIATE YOU AND ALL THAT YOU DO.

WE HAVE A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION TO INCREASE THAT FUNDING FROM $50,000-$60,000? SEEING NONE WE WILL VOTE ON THIS MOTION TO INCREASE. [VOTING]

>>. >> MADAM PRESIDENT? MAC?

>> MR. MAYOR. >> STATE LAW REQUIRES AFTER ESTIMATE THE BUDGET THAT I AGREE TO AN INCREASE FOR THE RECORD. I AGREE.

>> THANK YOU SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR? SEEING NONE OR HEARING NONE I

WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BUDGET. >> MADAM PRESIDENT.

>> SIR? >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> AS AMENDED. >> CONSENTED, AS AMENDED. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE BUDGET? SEEING NONE WE WILL CALL THE VOTE.

[VOTING] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY FOR SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS AND ALSO FOR ALL THE WORK GOING INTO THE BUDGET WHICH STARTED MANY WEEKS AGO.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME YOU PUT INTO THIS. OKAY, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM 14 B. FIRST READING OF WARNINGS D Ã2599 Ã21. AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AMENDED THE 2021 SALARY ORDINANCE THE SPONSOR IS

COUNSELOR WORRELL. >> MOVED INTRODUCED. >> SECOND.

>> THIS EVENTS THE 2021 SALARY ORDINANCE TO ALLOW CITY EMPLOYEES TO RECEIVE PREMIUM PAY IS AUTHORIZED BY THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT AND THE COMMON COUNCIL.

THIS IN THE NEXT ONE ALSO ALL APPLY TO WHAT WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT.

MR. OBERLANDER CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY. >> THANK YOU COUNSELOR WORRELL.

>> STATE LAW STATES THAT WE CAN'T COMPENSATE CITY EMPLOYEES FOR ANY AMOUNT.

THAT'S NOT IN THE SALARY ORDINANCE. WITH THIS DOES IS IT ADDS THAT PROVISION TO TAKE THE PREMIUM PAY TO ACCOUNTS WE CAN COMPLY WITH STATE LAW.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. OBERLANDER? SEEING NONE THE CHART WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> ANY QUESTIONS ON SUSPENDED

ROLES. OKAY, [VOTING] >> WE ARE FREE TO ACT ON THIS

THIS EVENING. THEY HAVE A MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO

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APPROVE ORDINANCE D 2599 Ã21. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. [VOTING]

>> THANK YOU, THAT'S APPROVED. ITEM 14 SEES RESOLUTION CC Ã10 Ã04 Ã21 Ã01.

A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF CITIC CARMEL INDIANA ADOPTING A PLAN FOR DISTRIBUTION OF THE PROCEEDS OF THE CITIES GRANT FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT OF

2021 SPONSOR IS COUNSELOR WORRELL. >> MOVED INTRODUCED.

>> SECOND. >> ESTABLISHES THE CITY OF CARMEL'S PLAN TO USE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT GRANT FUNDS FOR EMPLOYEE PREMIUM PAY AND THE PROVISION OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING.

SUSPEND THE RULES AND ACT ON THIS. >> PELLETS RESOLUTION.

GOSH DARN IT. >> MOVED TO APPROVE IS WHAT I HEARD?

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NOT, COU[VOTING]

>> 40 D IS A FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D 2600 Ã21 IN ORDER SO THAT COMMON COUNSEL CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA ADMITTING CHAPTER 8 ARTICLE 5 Ã847 8. THE CARMEL CITY CODES SPONSORS

ARE 23, HANNON, NELSON AND WORRELL. >> THIS COORDINATES WORKING ON RENTAL DRY. RIGHT NOW RANDALL DRIVE SOUTHERN PART HEADING INTO WILLIAMSON RUN WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH PARKING FROM A NEARBY CAR DEALERSHIP.

WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A PARKING RESTRICTION ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD SO IT'S A COMPROMISE FOR THE CAR CAR DEALERSHIP WILL HAVE SOME PARKING AVAILABLE.

TALK TO THE O THE RESIDENCE. THEY ARE HAPPY WITH IT. WE TALKED TO THE CAR HIP.

THEY ARE OKAY WITH THIS AND THEY WILL TRY TO WORK TO IMPROVE THE PARKING.

THE ONLY THING IS THIS MAY NOT COMPLETELY FIX THE SITUATION FOR RESIDENTS.

WE WILL MONITOR IT. IF WE NEED TO ADJUST DOWN THE ROAD WE WILL.

>> MADAM PRESIDENT. >> SIR? >> COLLECTIVE MOVIE SUSPENDED

ROLES ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

ANY DISCUSSION ON SUSPENDING THE RULES? .

ARING NONE. WE ARE FREE TO MOVE ON THIS THIS EVENING.

>> I. >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM.

HEARING NONE. [VOTING]

>> ITEM 15 IS AGENDA ADD-ON ITEMS WE HAVE DONE. ITEM 16 IS OTHER BUSINESS.

WE HAVE DONE ITEM 17 IS ANNOUNCEMENTS. ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS

FROM THE COUNCIL? MR. MAYOR? >> I HAVE NONE, THANK YOU.

>>

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