Jan 18, 2022 Carmel Plan Commission

[A. Call Meeting to Order ]

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>> GOOD EVENING I WILL CALL TO ORDER THE JANUARY 18, 2022 PLAN COMMISSION MEETING AND I ASK THAT YOU RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THANK YOU.

MR. SECRETARY, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLE OF. (ROLL CALL) GREAT WE ARE ALL

[E. Approval of Minutes ]

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES SAY AYE. ANY APOSTLES, THE MINUTES ARE

[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report ]

REPORT. >> THANK YOU IT IS THE BEGINNING OF 2022 SO IT IS TO ELECT --

TIME TO ELECT THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT. >> YOU ARE CORRECT.

THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE TO ELECT OFFICERS. WE HAVE FIVE OF THEM.

WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE SAME CREW FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND THAT IS A GOOD THING. WE HAVE TO ELECT OFFICERS AS WELL AS OUTSIDE MEMBERS FOR MEMBERS TO THE OUTSIDE BOARDS. WE WILL START WITH THE ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENT.

>> MR. PRESIDENT, I NOMINATE BRAD. >> I MOVE WE CLOSE NOMINATIONS.

>> THANK YOU, THE MOTION IS TO CLOSE THE FLOOR. IT IS CLOSE FOR NOMINATIONS WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE ELECTION. ALL IN FAVOR OF NOMINATION FOR MYSELF.

THANK YOU EVERYONE. VICE PRESIDENT OF THE PLANNED COMMISSION.

>> I MOVE THAT WE NOMINATE ( INDISCERNIBLE ). >> I SECOND THAT AND I WANT TO

CLOSE THE FLOOR. >> ALL IN FAVOR FORECLOSING DAY TRADE SIX.

IT IS CLOSE. THE ELECTION FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THANK YOU ALAN. I HAVE SERVED IN 202021 AS THE BOARD.

THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR THAT POSITION. >> I BELIEVE THAT YOU CONTINUE

TO SERVE IN THAT ROLE. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL IN FAVOR OF MY CONTINUING TO SERVE AS THE APPOINTEE SAY AYE. THANK YOU. OUR MEMBER TO THE HAMILTON COUNTY PLAN COMMISSION WHEN IT CHOOSES TO MEET AND HONOR MEETING DATE THAT DOESN'T

CONFLICT WITH OUR OWN. >> HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN? >> RIVETING.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN CALLED. >> IF MEMORY SERVES ME, WE TYPICALLY HAVE THE NEWEST APPOINTEE SERVE IN THAT ROLE. MAYBE IT'S TIME WE LET SOMEONE ELSE SHARE AND THAT.

I MOVE THAT WE NOMINATE JEFF HILL. >> ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE

FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS SAY AYE. >> JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NOT A VOTING MEMBER OF THAT

COMMITTEE, YOU JUST GET TO SHOW OF. >> ALL IN FAVOR OF JEFF SERVING IN THAT ROLE SAY AYE. THANK YOU. FINALLY THE ELECTION OF MEMBER AT LARGE OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN JOSH FOR THE LAST YEAR.

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THE FLOOR IS OPEN. >> I RECOMMEND JOSH. >> I SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE MORE OR NOMINATIONS SAY AYE. ALL IN FAVOR OF JOSH SERVING AS

THE MEMBER AT LARGE MAY AYE. THANK YOU. >> WONDERFUL.

ANY OTHER LEGAL OR COMMUNICATION? >> THANK YOU SIR.

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns ]

REPORTS, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND OTHER NEWS FROM THE DEPARTMENT. >> THANK YOU.

JUST A BRIEF UPDATE, THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE MET TO DISCUSS THE COMMITMENT AMENDMENT ON WEST MAIN STREET. THIS WAS SENT BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION 3-1 YOU WILL SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA. ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE MET TO DISCUSS THE MATRIARCH OR CENTER THAT WAS APPROVED THAT EVENING 4-0.

AND THE FLORA ON SPRINGVILLE PUD RESULT WAS CONTINUED TO THE FEBRUARY 1 MEETING.

I DO HAVE TWO OTHER ITEMS. ONE WAS AN UPDATED CALENDAR FOR THIS YEAR.

WE JUST HAD AN UPDATE FOR THE OCTOBER COMMITTEE MEETING. WE PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED IT, AND WE WANT TO CHANGE IT TO OCTOBER 6. AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR WE WILL NEED A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES TO BE HEARD. THEY MET THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, BUT NOT THE PLANNED COMMISSION RULES FOR THE 21 DAY NOTICE. THIS IS FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC WAIVER. WE WERE UNAWARE AT THAT TIME TO GET THEM NOTICE QUICK ENOUGH SO NOTICE IN TIME BUT THEY DID MAKE THE TEN DAY NOTICE FOR THE STATE.

>> IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CARE FOR THAT MEETING OR THAT DOCKET, AND

WE BOTH NOT TO SUSPEND OUR RULES LET'S BUILD ON THAT NOW. >> MOVED TO SUSPEND THE RULES.

>> THANK YOU, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? >> ALL IN FAVOR --

>> I'M SORRY BULLDOG ITEM NUMBER FOUR SO WE CAN HEAR THAT ITEM TONIGHT SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE RULES ARE SUSPENDED SO THAT WILL STAY ON OUR AGENDA THIS

EVENING DESPITE THE PUBLIC NOTICE. >> OKAY.

[H. Public Hearings ]

THANK YOU. THAT IS IT. >> WE ARE READY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS PORTION OF THE MEETING. PROVIDE FOR THE PETITIONER TO SPEND 15 MINUTES PRESENTING THEIR CASE. AT THAT POINT THE FLOOR IS OPEN TO COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR A PERIOD OF TIME UP TO 20 MINUTES. THE PETITIONERS WILL HAVE TIME TO COME UP -- RESPOND AND AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL END. SO, THE FIRST ITEM ON PUBLIC HEARING, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT DOCKETS RELATED TO THE SAME PROJECT. THEY ARE DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2020 -- 00081DP/GRADE DLS THE STEADMAN APARTMENT COMMUNITY AT THE BRIDGES AND NUMBER TWO DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2021-00247V BRIDGES PUD C-550-11 SECTION 13.9D.

RIGHT IN/WRITE OUT ACCESS ONLY ON 211 STREET FULL ACCESS ONTO 111 STREET REQUESTED.

THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN AND DESIGN APPROVAL AND ONE VARIANCE FOR A NEW APARTMENT COMMUNITY CONSISTING OF 260 UNITS IN FIVE BUILDINGS. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SPRINGVILLE ROAD ANNA HOLD 111 STREET ON ABOUT ONE POINT 12.5 ACRES.

IT IS ON THE BRIDGES PUD ORDINANCE Z-550-11. FILED BY JIM AND JOHN OF NELSON

AND FRANKENBURG ARE ON BEHALF OF CITYSCAPE RESIDENTIAL LLC. >> HELLO, I'M HERE WITH THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. CITYSCAPE IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR AN APARTMENT WITHIN THE DISTRICT. AFTER MY INTRODUCTION JIM THOMAS WILL CONTINUE THE INTRODUCTION

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THE SITE CONSISTS OF OPEN HALF ACRES AND ON THE EAST SIDE OF SPRINGVILLE ROAD NORTH OF 111 JUST NORTH OF THE SUPERMARKET. THE REAL ESTATE IS WITHIN THE PUD DISTRICT WHICH RECEIVED A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVED IN 2011. IN THIS REGARD THE PROPOSED USE, IS PERMITTED ON THE SUBJECT OF REAL ESTATE WITH A MAXIMUM OF 300 DWELLING SPIRIT THE REVIEW IS REQUIRED AND THE SITE PLAN IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. THEY WOULD ALLOW UP TO 300 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND THEY ARE PROPOSING 261. THE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL AND NOTED IN THE REPORT THAT IT MEETS THE STANDARDS FOR USE, PARKING, SETBACKS, HEIGHT AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS EXCEPT ONE FOR WHICH A VARIANCE HAS BEEN REQUESTED.

THE ONLY STANDARD NOT MET IS ACCESS TO 111 STREET. AND THIS WILL BE A RIGHT IN AND WRITE OUT ONLY. AFTER INPUT FROM THE CITY ENGINEER FILED A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FULL ACCESS ON 111 STREET AND THE MINI ROUNDABOUT IN THAT DESIGN.

THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN. WITH THAT JIM WILL NOW PROVIDE

FURTHER DETAILS. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS JIM THOMAS.

I AM ONE OF THE COFOUNDERS OF CITYSCAPE RESIDENTIAL. WE ARE A DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION FIRM BASED HERE IN CARMEL. WE ARE NEIGHBORS TO YOURSELF THAT IT'S HOW WE GET INTO OUR GARAGE. I AM A LONGTIME RESIDENT.

IN FACT I'M BUILDING A NEW HOUSE SO I CAN BE EVEN MORE. IM FULLY INVESTED.

MY PARTNERS AND I HAVE 30 PLUS YEARS RECORD OF BUILDING LUXURY APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT THE MIDWEST. JUST WITHIN THE INDIANAPOLIS AREA, WE HAVE DEVELOPED HALF A BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITIES DURING OUR CAREER.

AND THOSE INCLUDE THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT IN CARMEL CITY CENTER.

THE COMMUNITY ROUNDING THE REFLECTING POND WHICH MY PARTNER AND I DID IN 20000.

THAT WAS EARLY ON IN THE DEVELOPMENT. WE STARTED THERE AND WE STARTED THE DEVELOPMENT ON MAIN STREET WHERE THE MEAT MARKET IS. AND WE WORKED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND WITH THE CITY TO ASSEMBLE MANY OTHER KEY PARCELS DOWNTOWN FOR THAT AREA TO BE REDEVELOPED. LOVE CARMEL. WE HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.

WE DEVELOP TOP-TIER COMMUNITIES AND WE DO OUR OWN GENERAL CONTRACTING AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT SO WE CAN CONTROL THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.

THIS COMMUNITY TO BE KNOWN AS THE STEADMAN IS A LONG-TERM INVESTMENT IT WILL BE RETAINED TO HOLD OUR INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO. AS RICK MENTIONED, WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING FOR THE DP ALS APPROVAL FOR THE ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY WAS SETTLED AND ESTABLISHED WHEN THE BRIDGE WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2011. PRIOR TO THIS EVENING WE HAVE HAD THREE GROUP MEETINGS WITH NEIGHBOR SURROUNDING THE PROPERT.

I WILL REPORT WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL HOURS AND AN EXTENDED NUMBER OF HOURS OF WHAT I THINK WAS PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS. IN FACT THOSE MEETINGS HAVE LED TO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE SITE PLAN. THE CHANGES ARE REFLECTED IN THE EXHIBITS THAT WE ARE REVIEWING TONIGHT. I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE SOME OF MY FUTURE BEST FRIENDS THAT DO NOT WISH THE PUD HAD BEEN APPROVED IN 2011 OR APPROVED WITH DIFFERENT HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS OR DENSITY REQUIREMENTS, SOME VARIANCE BUT CITY COUNCIL WAYS A LOT OF FACTORS.

AND THE PUD WAS APPROVED. I WON'T GO INTO THE SPECIFICS AND THE TRADE-OFFS THEY MADE 11

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THE OTHER THREE, WILL BE FIVE STORIES HIGH. AGAIN, AS APPROVED BY THE ZONING. THE PUD CALLS FOR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WHAT A LAYPERSON MAY MISS.

WE RETAIN A FIRM IN KANSAS CITY THAT I HAVE USED BEFORE AND THEY HAD AN INTERESTING TOOL PRACTICE. THEY SPECIALIZE IN LUXURY HOMES. I AM DELIGHTED THEY WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH US UNIQUELY FOR THE SITE. THE PUD, AS DISCUSSED CALLS FOR A VIEW ON THE SOUTH SIDE. IT IS VERY PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT THAT.

IN TERMS OF THE QUANTITIES AND THE HEIGHT, WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THERE WAS A SPECIFIC PLAN THAT WAS MADE AVAILABLE TO US. MATT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE HOURS ALONG WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. SIMILARLY, WE KNOW THAT WE USE DOWN LIGHTING ON THE EXTERIOR BALCONIES. WE PLACE BUILDINGS WHERE WE ARE CLOSEST TO NEIGHBORS. WE DON'T HAVE PARKING CLOSE TO THE ROAD, AND THEN WE PROVIDE A LIGHTING PLAN SHOWING THE MEASUREMENTS AT THE PROPERTY LINES AS REQUIRED, MAKING SURE THOSE ARE ALL HUNKY-DORY. ONE VARIANCE REQUESTED IS WHAT I WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE SURROUNDING NETWORKS VERSUS WHAT EXISTED IN 2011, COURSE BACK THEN, ILLINOIS CONNECTED WITH A TWO LANE ROAD. AND THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT HAD A CENTRAL NORTH-SOUTH ROAD THAT RAN THROUGH THE MIDDLE. WELL, THE DISTRICT GOT BIGGER. THEY CUT IT OFF SO YOU DON'T HAVE A CENTRAL BOULEVARD THAT CAME DOWN AND CONNECTED THROUGH. WILL CONNECT THE EAST-WEST ROAD

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WE ARE RELOCATING AND RECONFIGURING THOUGHT UPON SO IT INCLUDES OUR LAND AND THE RETAIL. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO RETELL THE LAND NORTH TO US.

THERE MAY BE AN ENGINEERING THINK WHERE THEY ARE CONNECTED BUT EACH PARCEL, THEY ARE DETAINING THEIR SIN WE ARE DETAINING HOURS. A MULTI USE PATH ON 111TH STREET ALONG THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE GONE TO GREAT EFFORT, WE HAVE GONE TO GREAT EFFORT TO SEE CONSISTENCE THE DRIVE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING TO YOU AGAIN WITH ANY QUESTIONS

AFTER CONFERENCE HAVE SPOKEN. >> THANK YOU, RICK DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO CONCLUDE.

>> THIS WILL APPEAR ON FEBRUARY 1. WE WELCOME COMMENTS AND CONCERNS AT THAT TIME. AND AS JIM MENTIONED WE CAN RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS OR

CONCERNS AFTER THE PUBLIC HAS SPOKEN. >> THANK YOU.

WITH THAT WE NOW TURN TO COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SO THEY CAN MANAGE THE 20 MINUTE BLOCK OF TIME. LET ME SEE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.

>> I HAVE SIX PEOPLE. WHOEVER WANTS TO BE FIRST CAN STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND IF YOU ARE BEHIND THEM THAT WILL KEEP IT TO A MINIMUM. A LIGHT WILL GO YELLOW WHEN YOU

HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT. >> I WOULD LIKE SOME DISCRETION. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE

HOA. >> MAKE YOU. MI ON.

>> I'M SPEAKING HERE TONIGHT FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AS PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. THE ONLY FIVE-STAR APARTMENT BUILDING THAT I KNOW OF FOR THE RESIDENCES AT THE CITY CENTER. THIS PROPOSAL FOR FIVE-STORY BUILDINGS, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL PROVIDES PARKING SPACES WHILE THE LANGUAGE IS PUD SETS A STANDARD FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT IS IMPORTANT TO REALIZE IT WOULD REQUIRE 557 PARKING SPACES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

HAVE A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES WILL ONLY SUPPORT NO MORE THAN 188 APARTMENT UNITS.

THE PROPOSAL HAS TOO MANY APARTMENTS INTO MANY TO LITTLE SPACE.

HE WENT ALLOW THE BUILDING TO BE LOWERED. THERE IS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT

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THEY HAD A REVISED PLAN. HOWEVER THIS PLAN DOES NOT MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE COMMITMENT THIS SPECIFIES THE BUFFER WE NEED OF PLAN THAT MEETS THE SPECIFICATIONS OUTLINED IN THE PUD. THE ROAD EXTENDING TO 111TH STREET TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE ORDINANCE. THIS IS AN ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY.

INCLUDING THE BLOCK TO THE EAST. THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS TO SURROUNDING AREAS. ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED.

ONCE THEY WERE IN PLACE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WAS THAT LEVEL A OR B, WHICH AS YOU KNOW FROM THE OTHER TRAFFIC STUDIES IS AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF STUDY. THIS IS TO ALIGN WITH THE ENTRANCE OF THE SUBDIVISION. THIS IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION. THIS ROAD, FROM THIS POINT, THE EXIT OF THE ILLINOIS STREET ROUNDABOUT TO THE POINT OF THE INITIAL CONTACT IS 150 FEET.

PEOPLE EXITING FROM ILLINOIS STREET WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT IS 40 MILES PER HOUR, AND MY SOUL WITHIN MY 4 MINUTES, A CAR CAN SAFELY EXIT 25 MILES PER HOUR BUT GIVES THEM LITTLE TIME FOR REACTION. THIS IS EXHIBITED IN FRONT OF YOU.

ALL TRAFFIC WAS HANDLED FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THIS POINT AND THIS POINT AND CONCEPTUAL FOR THE APARTMENTS, BUT THE TRAFFIC COUNT THAT, AS I SHOW THE SERVICE, IT WAS ACHIEVED AT ALL SURROUNDING INTERSECTIONS. THE ONLY EXIT ONTO THE ROAD IS HERE. THERE WOULD BE LITTLE MOTIVATION OR INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO DROP FURTHER SOUTH ONLY TO GET TO SPRINGVILLE ROAD. THE MORE EFFICIENT ROUTE WOULD GO NORTH FOR EXIT TO ILLINOIS STREET. OUR POSITION IS THIS IS

UNNECESSARY AND UNSAFE. >> >> MY NAME IS DON.

MY PRESENTATION IS A I HAVE BEFORE YOU AND I HAVE FIVE COPIES TO SUBMIT OF A MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE INTERSECTION. IT INDICATES THAT THE DISTANCE

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I HAVE INCLUDED THE METRICS THAT YOU'RE FREE TO REVIEW SHARON CALCULATOR.

IT SHOWS WITH THIS, THE TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE APPROXIMATELY A 27-FOOT CLEARANCE FOR ANYONE EXITING ONTO 111TH STREET. AND WESTMOUNT 51 FEET. THE INTERSECTION FROM ILLINOIS TO THIS INTERSECTION IS SMALL. I THINK MOVING THIS FURTHER EAST SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR PUBLIC

SAFETY. THE MAP IS THERE FOR. >> THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS ALISON BROWN I LIVE AT 600 WEST 600 STREET. I AM HERE TO SAY THAT I THINK ALSO THE MAXIMUM OF 300 APARTMENTS WAS ALREADY PLAYED TOO MANY AND 260 IS ALSO TOO MANY. I FIGURE THANK BREAKING IN 500 CARS AND PLANNING TO PUT THEM ON 111TH STREET WHICH IS TWO LANES. EVEN IF THEY GO ON SPRING MILL ROAD, IT IS ACTUALLY ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION. I FEEL LIKE IT IS OVER DIMENSION. A FRONT TOOTH OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN 1-TWO-STORY HOUSES IN THE

SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. >> MY NAME IS GO FOR BACK 17 YEARS I HAVE LIVED IN A SINGLE STORY HOME WHICH IS THE NEIGHBOR TO THE TWO-STORY HOMES WEST OF THE APARTMENTS AT THE BRIDGES.

I DON'T WISH TO CHASE AWAY THIS PROPOSAL. THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN REASONABLE AND MET WITH US THREE TIMES I DID IT ALL THE MEETINGS. THEY ARE PROVIDING AMENITIES THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN. WHEN NEIGHBORS ASKED THE POOL BE REMOVED, THE FULL WAS LOW.

THERE ARE PROBLEMS BECAUSE IN 2011 THE CITY APPROVED THE PLAN MOSTLY IT ALLOWS INAPPROPRIATE APARTMENTS TO TOWER OVER THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AT THE 1-TWO-STORY HOMES.

WE THOUGHT WE LOST THE BATTLE AND THE APARTMENTS WOULD BE THREE STORIES.

THIS PROPOSAL HAS OTHER SAID HAVE TOO MANY APARTMENTS WITH NOT ENOUGH ROGERS JUST PARKING SPACES. THE FIVE-STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS ARE OUT OF SCALE WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS NO TRANSITION FROM THE THREE-STORY-FIVE-STORY.

THIS IS NOT DOWNTOWN. WE HOPE YOU WERE ASKED TO REDUCE IT AT LEAST TO THE BRIDGE.

THE COMMITMENT TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS DID NOT SHOW THE STREET CUTTING THROUGH.

THERE WOULD BE THREE ROUNDABOUTS THAT THESE AREAS. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE BURN AND IT SEEMS UNNECESSRY WITH THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE APARTMENTS.

SINCE THEY ARE STILL WORKING WITH THE CITY NEIGHBORS WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO VIEW AND SPEAK ABOUT THE FINAL PLAN BEFORE YOU VOTE ON THIS PROJECT. ACTUALLY AS YOU GO THROUGH THE DISTRICT, WE WANT TO KEEP THE THIS IS STILL THIS IS WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE ACCOMPANIED BY A

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WE THOUGHT THE THREE-STORY BUILDINGS AT NIGHT NOT THE FIVE-STORY BUILDING THAT NIGHT.

I KNEW ROAD IS PROPOSED THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD APPROVE THE HEIGHT NEXT TO OUR

NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS DAN MIRON I'M A PARTNER IN THE LAW FIRM DOWNTOWN INDIANAPOLIS. IT IS NAMED ( INDISCERNIBLE ).

THE WORLD'S LARGEST LAW FIRM. I'M NOT SAYING THAT FOR ANY SPECIAL REASON EXCEPT I HAVE 12,000 PLUS LAWYERS AND 84 COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PARTNERS DOWNTOWN IN MINNEAPOLIS AND EVANSVILLE. MY PURPOSE HERE IS TO SUPPORT THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE PEOPLE IN SPRING MILL PLACE. I DO WANT TO SAY THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETINGS MR. THOMAS HELD WITH US, WE HAD THREE SUCH MEETINGS, AND AT OUR REQUEST, HE DID MOVE THE SWIMMING POOL AWAY FROM SPRING MILL ROAD AND BACK WHICH WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE ASKED HIM TO DO. AND HE ALSO, ADJUSTED, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOURS PEOPLE CAN BE AT THE POOL. WHICH WOULD POSSIBLY BE INVOLVED AND THE LIGHTING.

SO, THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE. THE 120 TREES THAT ARE NEEDED THAT ARE EVERGREENS, WE STILL SUPPORT THAT OPPORTUNITY. WE OPPOSE, I HAVE LIVED IN WILLIAMS MILL ON SPRING MILL ROAD, AT 111-116 AND I HAVE BEEN THERE FOUR YEARS. WE ARE PROBABLY THE OLDEST PEOPLE AROUND, CONNECTED TO WILLIAMSVILLE. AND THE OTHER ITEMS, WE DO SUPPORT THOSE ITEMS. AND IN HIS PRESENTATION ESPECIALLY.

THAT IS IT FOR ME. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JUDY. I LIVE ON THE STREET THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. MY CONCERNS ARE ABOUT THE STREET PROPOSED AND THE HEAVY TRAFFIC.

THE PUD CALLED FOR A RIGHT IN/RIGHT OUT TO AVOID SENDING TRAFFIC INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTH AND A VARIANCES BE PROPOSED WITH A ROUNDABOUT. TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS WERE ADDED TO THE PACKAGE TOWARDS THE END. THE PROJECTION SEEMED LIKE CONSIDERING THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS. THIS CALL SPORT AND PARKWAY WITH A 14-FOOT LANDSCAPED MEDIAN.

I SUBMITTED A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS.

THIS WOULD PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER. IT LOOKS LOVELY AND IT IS.

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IT IS NOT CLEAR WHERE THE POLLS ARE OR HOW THEY DEAL WITH THEM. THE MARKET DISTRICT HAS BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING UNDER THE VIOLENCE, BUT THEY WANT THE VISIBILITY AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WOULD ALL LIKE SOMETHING HI. IF A HUNDRED 11TH STREET STICKS WITH THE LONG-TERM PLAN WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, THAT MAY SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

IN CONCLUSION I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A TRAFFIC COUNT FOR BASE DATA.

AND DETERMINE IF THE -- WHAT THE INTERSECTION IS TO LOOK LIKE. IF WE CAN HELP THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WILL BE MINIMAL. MAYBE IT WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT SPRINGVILLE LANE DOESN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE IT WILL LEAK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOD WHILE THEY FIGURED OUT.

THEN START THE CYCLE ALL OVER AGAIN. I'M ASKING YOU TO DENY THE VARIANCE REQUEST AT THIS TIME AND WAIT FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY ARE KNOWN FOR THE EAST PARCEL AND WHAT TRAFFIC THAT CREATES. MEANWHILE IT MAY BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE PLANS ARE WHICH DOES NOT SEEM TO BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

LASTLY, COULD ONE OF THE SIDEWALKS BE ANY PATH RATHER THAN A SIDEWALK.

>> LEFT 5 MINUTES TO RESPOND. >> AGAIN FOR THE RECORD I AM JIM THOMAS.

WE HAD SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS OVER OUR PRIOR MEETING. REDUCING THE BUILDINGS FROM FIVE STORIES IS NOT A WORKABLE SCENARIO. WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO LIVE WITHIN ZONING WITH REGARD TO WE BELIEVE WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE 2012 PLAN, I THINK THAT IS THE DATE. BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT ACT COMMITTEE.

IN FACT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT. WITH REGARD AND NOT WITHIN OUR INTENTION. AND WE BELIEVE THE ALIGNMENT IS THE SAFEST ALIGNMENT, REVOCABLE AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT AND TAKE A LEFT IF IT IS A RESTRICTED THING.

THINGS YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A DECISIONS MADE 11 YEARS AGO WHEN THE TRAFFIC FACTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN TODAY. THAT IS MY TAKE ON THOUGHT. ANYTHING ELSE WANT TO TOUCH ON? ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE AS WELL.

THANK YOU. >> THEY ARE REQUESTING A DEVELOPMENT PLAN LIGHTING AND APPROVAL AS WELL AS ONE VARIANCE THROUGH THE PLANNED HEARING PROCESS FOR 260 APARTMENTS AS WE

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THE BROOM AND THERE WERE CONDITIONS AND THEN IT WAS APPROVED LATER IN 2011.

THE PLAN SHOWED ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING AND SHOWED A FUTURE ACCESS DRIVE.

IT ALSO SHOW THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. THE BRIDGES PUD DOES ALLOW CONNECTION BUT IT DID LIMIT IT TO A RIGHT IN AND WRITE OUT. THEY SHIFTED IT TO ALIGN WITH THE ROAD TO THE SOUTH THE PETITIONER DID ADJUST FROM THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT THAT WE REVIEWED. WE DID SUBMIT A PLAN TO THE COMMITTEE WE ARE STILL REVIEWING SEVERAL ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT. WE WILL FOLLOW-UP WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS WELL.

AT THIS TIME WE RECOMMEND THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE MEETING ON FEBRUARY 1 TO CONTINUE THIS

REVIEW. >> THANK YOU. THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:48 P.M. DISCUSSION FROM MEMBERS OF THE PLAN COMMISSION.

CHRISTINE. >> LET'S SEE. SINCE THIS IS GOING TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE I HAVE A FEW REQUESTS. I DO WANT TO SEE THE LANDSCAPING PLAN DO YOU HAVE A COLOR ADDITION TO SHOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THE STREET VIEW SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL. WHEN I LOOK AT THE CENTER I SEE A LOT OF ASPHALT. IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE ARE A FEW TREES PLANTED BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE SOME GREEN SPACE AND POCKET GREEN SPACE, MORE TREES SO IT IS NOT JUST A LOT OF PARKING. AND IF YOU ALSO HAVE SAMPLES OF THE MASONRY OF WHAT THE SIGHTING WOULD LOOK LIKE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE. I KNOW WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN DETAIL BUT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU BRING TO COMMITTEE SO,

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. RICK, OR YOUR PERSON DO THEY HAVE REPRESENTATION OF'S BRING MILL ROAD WITH REGARDS TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND THE PROPOSAL SUCH AS AN AS IS AFTER HOW STEADMAN MAY BE BUILT AND HOW PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE

THIS, WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. >> A SIGHT LINE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

>> DO YOU HAVE THAT INCLUDED? >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE IT, BUT PLEASE BE SURE WHEN IT GOES TO THE COMMUNITY THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THAT. COULD YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE ABILITY FOR SCHOOL BUSES, EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND MORE TO NEGOTIATE THAT? HAS THIS BEEN LOOKED AT?

>> THE MANY ROUNDABOUT WAS A REQUEST FROM CITY ENGINEERING. OUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT CITY ENGINEERING HAS VETTED THOSE ISSUES. AND ALLOW THE FIRE TRUCKS AND

SCHOOL BUSES TO ACCURATELY NAVIGATE THE AREA. >> YOU MAY WANT TO MAKE SURE

THAT IS THE CASE. >> COULD YOU GO TO THE FOURTH TAB, PLEASE.

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, THAT IS A 31 ON THE LEFT BUT GOING FROM THERE,. >> THIS IS ILLINOIS STREET.

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT TO THE LEFT. >> WHAT YOU HAVE BELOW.

>> 111 HERE. THIS IS THE CONNECTION ROAD RIGHT THERE.

>> GOING SOUTH, FURTHER SOUTH RIGHT THERE FOR MANY ROUNDABOUT. KEEP GOING TO THE RIGHT.

RIGHT THERE. THIS IS THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT. THIS IS THE ROUNDABOUT AT --

>> THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT. >> YES. >> THIS IS THE PROPOSED MANY

ROUNDABOUT AT THE ACCESS ROAD. >> TO GET TO MY POINT, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT MANY ROUNDABOUT AND THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT? ATTACH APPROXIMATELY 150 FEET.

TEJ ABOUT 150 FEET? >> YES. ALSO, JUDY, DID YOU EVER GET AN

ANSWER WITH REGARDS FROM THE STAFF ABOUT YOUR QUESTION? >> BE INCLUDED WITH THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION? DO THESE MEET THE CURRENT SIGN

ORDINANCES? >> THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE ARE REVIEWING.

THE SIGNAGE FROM ONE -- WHEN THEY FIRST SUBMITTED. NOT EVERYTHING HAS GONE OUT AND THAT INCLUDES WHERE THE SPECIALIST IS REVIEWING THIS AS WELL.

EVERYONE NEEDS THE UPDATED PLANS. I DON'T THINK THEY MEET ALL OF THE STANDARDS FOR INSTANCE THE HEIGHT I DON'T THINK THAT WAS MET.

>> THAT IS THE ONLY THING, THE HEIGHT? >> I CANNOT SAY THAT FOR SURE,

>> OKAY. WELL, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE HAD THAT COMING HERE TO A

PUBLIC HEARING. >> WILL HE BE READY FOR THE COMMITTEE MEETING?

>> YES. >> NOTHING ELSE TO SAY. >> MR. PRESIDENT I THINK IT WILL BE IMPORTANT, WE NOTE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT ASK FOR SOMETHING THAT DID NOT FOLLOW THEIR STANDARDS, I'M SORRY JEREMY, BUT I THINK GERMY -- ENGINEERING NEEDS TO BE HAVE

TO COMMITTEE MEETING TO CLARIFY ALL OF THE QUESTIONS. >> I WILL SECOND THAT, BECAUSE I AM HAVING A HARD TIME I TRAVELED THAT SECTION, VIRTUALLY DAILY AND I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING THE NEED FOR A ROUNDABOUT VERSUS THE RIGHT IN/RIGHT OUT THAT EXIST TODAY.

BECAUSE OF IMPROVED STREET CROSS-SECTIONS WE HAVE LOTS OF AREAS WHERE, IT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN AND GO A QUARTER MILE DOWN THE ROAD A MAKER U-TURN.

BUT LEFT TURN IS NOT POSSIBLE AT THE SACRIFICE FOR THE LANDSCAPE AND THE CROSS-SECTION.

SO, I AM STRUGGLING WITH THE IMPRACTICALITY OR THE HARDSHIP CREATED THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CROSS-SECTION, MY MATH AND ON THE SCALE AM GUESSING IT APPEARS TO BE 350 FEET FROM THE FOOTPRINT OF BUILDING THREE TO ANY OF THE HOMES. I CERTAINLY WANT TO GET A MORE ACCURATE NUMBER THAN MY THUMBNAIL GAS BUT THE CROSS-SECTION WOULD BE VERY

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WITH THE HOMEOWNERS TO THE SOUTH, AND THE IMMOVABLE UTILITY POLES ON THE NORTH, I WONDER IF THAT IS PRACTICAL NUMBER ONE. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IS IT NECESSARY.

IT JUST DOES NOT SEEMED LIKE THE TRAFFIC FLOW WHICH ONLY RUNS FROM SPRING MILL OVER TO WESTVILLE ROAD, IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC VOLUME NOW AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL INCREASE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY THOSE ENHANCEMENTS. AND IN ITS CURRENT STATE, IT IS A MORE RURAL AND PEACEFUL IN ITS CURRENT STATE WHICH WOULD LEAVE THAT AS A RIGHT IN/RIGHT OUT.

THOSE ARE THE THREE ISSUES I WOULD LIKE THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER MORE DEEPLY AND THOUGHT

DEPARTMENT TO ASK AND ANSWER. >> CAN I FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. I WILL FOLLOW-UP WITH ENGINEERING ENGINEERING ON THE FUTURE PLAN OF WHAT THEY SEE. IN THE PUD IT SPECIFICALLY REQUIRES ONLY ALONG THE SECTION WHICH EXISTS TODAY. THE WINTER PUD WAS ADOPTED THAT

WAS REQUIRED FOR 111TH STREET. >> OKAY TAKE.

>> I DID IT JUST TURNED 6-YEARS-OLD SHE THINKS I WILL LOSE MY THOUGHT.

THANKS A LOT. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO THROW IN IF COMMITTEE WOULD ASK THIS OF ENGINEERING YOUR COMMENT, IF THAT EXIT EXISTS MY PROBLEM WITH IT BEING RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO TO THE EAST IT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO GO THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT AND DO WE WANT TO PUT MORE TRAFFIC ON SPRING MILL THAT USE SPRINGVILLE.

IF THAT EXIT EXISTS. >> TO ADD ONTO THAT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS ON THE PUD. WHAT IS IN THE PUD FOR THE SOUTHEAST SECTION.

I CANNOT REMEMBER TO 011 AND 2012. I THOUGHT IT WAS OFFICE.

>> I THINK WE COULD SPECIFY MEDICAL COULD WE PICK I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE COMMITTED TO

ON THE. >> THE OWNER HAD IT RELATED TO HOSPITALITY BUT I DON'T KNOW --

>> I CAN'T SAY WHO SAID THIS EARLIER BUT IM NOT A PROPONENT OF ANY ENTRANCE ON 111TH STREET. I DON'T THINK IT'S NEEDED. I THINK ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, FLORIDA WE TALKED ABOUT 111TH HAS THE ASSESSABLE ROAD. IT IS MORE OF A WAY TO GET ON 116TH IF YOU ARE BIKING OR WALKING. I JUST DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO EVEN HAVE ACCESS ON 111TH. BUT THE PUD DOES STATE IT CAN'T HAVE A RIGHT IN/RIGHT OUT. I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY BASED ON THE LETTERS.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS A COMMITMENT TO HAVE ( INDISCERNIBLE ) ALL OF THE WAY AROUND.

I OBVIOUSLY HAVE THAT WRONG. BUT I JUST REALLY DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT AT ALL.

I REMEMBER WHEN WE MADE A CHANGE IN THE BRIDGES TO CHANGE A ROAD THAT WAS IT IN THE PUD, THAT HASN'T WORKED OUT WELL AT ALL. AND IN THE MANY ROUNDABOUT, WE HAD A COMPLETE NIGHTMARE BECAUSE IT DID NOT WORK. I SAID THAT TO ENGINEERING. YOU EITHER HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T.

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>> HAWTHORNE AND CARRIE. HAWTHORNE AND CARRIE ROAD. >> OKAY.

>> HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT? >> IT IS BIGGER. >> IT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND

DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY. DORSETT WAS NOT GOOD. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> WAS PRESIDENT, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO SIMILAR THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS RELATED TO THE MANY ROUNDABOUT. NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST THE JUDGMENT OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT BUT I SHARE THE SAME CONCERN WITH LARGER VEHICLES MANEUVERING THROUGH THEIR.

IN MY MIND THE RIGHT IN/RIGHT OUT WOULD BE A WAY TO EASE THOSE CONCERNS.

BATIK ONE THING I DID WONDER. I GUESS FROM A GENERAL PERSPECTIVE IN THE PETITIONER'S PACKAGE THERE WERE TOP-FLIGHT AMENITIES. CAN YOU GIVE US GREATER DETAIL

HOW THOSE ARE ABOVE AVERAGE. >> I WILL MIMIC WHAT BRAD SAID ABOUT THE BUILDING ON THE SOUTH BORDER. IT IS GOING TO BE A SHAME TO PUT A FIVE-STORY BUILDING ADJACENT, WE ARE SPLITTING HAIRS IF WE ARE 355-400 FEET. I THINK IT IS ANYMORE REASONABLE TO PUT THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT IS A FEW FEET FURTHER AWAY THAN IT WOULD BE ON THE WESTERN BORDER. I WOULD LIKE TO MEASURE AND SEE WHERE WE ARE WITHOUT.

HOW MANY PARKING SPACES PER UNIT ARE THERE? I KNOW PARKING HAS BEEN BROUGHT

UP A LOT. >> IT IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1.5 AND 1.7.

SO AGAIN, WE ASSUME THEY LEAVE AT THE SAME TIME BUT WE KNOW THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

PEOPLE ARE OUT BEFORE WORK AT DIFFERENT TIMES. IT WILL BE ABOUT ONE PER

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A SMALL ROUNDABOUT WITH STOP SIGNS. I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SMALL ROUNDABOUT THERE, I THINK IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS. AMENITIES.

YOU HAVEN'T SOME BETTER. ONE COULD BE A FITNESS TRAIL AROUND THE RETENTION POND.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GREEN SPACE. BUT THAT MAY BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND MOVE CLOSER TO NATURE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE

BICYCLES STORY WILL BE. >> LET'S START WITH WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE ROAD TO THE EAST.

>> I DON'T WALK ALONG THE ROAD, I THINK IT WOULD BE A WILL TO USE PIPE.

ONE EXHIBIT I SAW AND I APOLOGIZE, LOOK AT MY COMPUTER. ONE WAS IN COLOR AND DID NOT HAVE AS MUCH. I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE OF THE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. BUT YOUR CLUBHOUSE I THINK THIS WOULD BE A LOGICAL CONNECTION.

AND THE COLOR RENDERING. YOU SEE WHAT, I MEAN. I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED.

THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS NOT COME TO YOU WITH THIS SHARE. I DO THINK THIS IS THE BEST USE OF THE LAND BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUILDING I'M THROWING OFF WITH THE LAND.

SOMETIMES WE SEE THE EXHIBITS ON PAPER AND THEN I SEE THEM IN REAL LIFE AND I AM DISAPPOINTED WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE. I GUESS, ALTHOUGH THE ARCHITECTURE IS PRETTY I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE MASS OF THE BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO

ABOUT THAT. >> I THINK THOSE ARE MY MAJOR ISSUES, BECAUSE IM AN EMPLOYEE IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO PUT A PLUG-IN.

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MIGHT IT MAKE SENSE TO NOT HAVE A RIGHT IN/RIGHT OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH, MY OLD NEIGHBORHOOD. MY NEIGHBOR WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY BY THE WAY.

AND THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT TO THE NORTH TO HAVE THE ROUNDABOUT SO PEOPLE HAVE BETTER ACCESS OVER TO ILLINOIS FOR SPRINGVILLE FROM THE AREAS. AGAIN, I SENT A LOT OF WORDS THERE. IF THERE'S NOT A LINE BETWEEN SPRINGVILLE AND ILLINOIS, IT SEEMS TO ME IT IS AN ADVANTAGE TO EVERYONE IN THE AREA THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ROUNDABOUT THERE. I WOULD SAY THAT FOR THE CITY ENGINEERING AS WELL.

>> TO JOSH FIRST POINT, WE ADDRESSED THIS WITH SEIZES ALL CARMEL AND I THINK THE

ARTICULATION THAT WAS ADDED, COULD YOU BUILD THE ROAD. >> IF THEY COULD --

>> IS THIS LONGER OR SHORTER? >> IF BEARS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> I MOVE WE SEND IT TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSE, THIS WILL GO TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE WHICH MEETS ON FEBRUARY 1.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A NEW AUTO REPAIR BUILDING, 9600 SQUARE FEET.

THE SITE IS LOCATED 4010 NORTHWESTERN DRIVE THE ZONING IS I-1 INDUSTRIAL AND THERE IS NO APPLICABLE OVERLAY. THE PETITIONER FILED BY CHARLIE MADDOX OF CROSSROADS ENGINEERS

ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER. >> CHARLIE, THE FLOOR IS YOURS FOR THE NEXT 15 MINUTES.

BEFORE YOU START, I WANT TO COMPLEMENT THE DEMONSTRATORS FOR THE LATEST POSITION.

THAT WAS THE MOST QUIET EXIT I HAVE EVER SEEN. >> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS CHARLIE APPLEBY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER. WE ARE REQUESTING I'M SORRY 80 LF PLAN APPROVAL AT 4010 NORTHWESTERN DRIVE. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. IT IS THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE NORTH OF THE LOOP AND A QUARTER OF A MILE WEST OF MICHIGAN ROAD. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE END OF THE NORTHWESTERN DRIVE CUL-DE-SAC IN BETWEEN MAYFLOWER DRIVE I'M SORRY MAYFLOWER PARK DRIVE TO THE SOUTH.

YOU CAN SEE MICHIGAN ROAD OFF OF THE SIDE OF THE STREET. IT IS THREE AND A HALF ACRES LOCATED IN THE NORTHWESTERN SUBDIVISION. ALL OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE AREA ARE ZONED 1. AND BODY SHOP PARKING LOT AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY

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THIS IS SOUTH OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. THEN THIS IS PROVIDED FOR THE SUBDIVISION ALREADY. WE WILL BE PROVIDING EIGHT UNITS TO MEET THE CITIES REQUIREMENTS IN ADDITION TO THE TREATMENT PROVIDED. ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND THE GREEN LAWN AREA AS WELL AS THE WETLAND AS FAR AS THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS GO, THERE'S ONE DAY #ONE BAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE FOR DELIVERY SPIRIT AND THE OFFICE SPACE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. LANDSCAPING WILL BE INSTALLED AND ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING FOR THE SPACES THAT WERE ADDED.

WE ARE ACTUALLY ADDING A STRIP OF PARKING ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING LOT AND THAT WILL BE IN CONNECTION WITH THE CURB VARIANCE THAT WE WILL BE REQUESTING AT THE NEXT HEARING AND I WILL SPEAK MORE ABOUT THAT. THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS TO BE SENT TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE AT THE FEBRUARY 1 MEETING.

THE CONDITIONS WE MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS, AND THAT WE FORMALLY FILE FOR THE WAIVER REQUEST NOT -- UNFORTUNATELY WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT WE NEEDED TO FORMALLY SUBMIT FOR THAT IN TIME SO WE WILL NOTIFY THE PUBLIC OF THAT WAIVER REQUEST AND WE WILL BE BACK NEXT MONTH.

WITH THAT I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.

WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION? ALRIGHT WE WILL GO TO THE

DEPARTMENT REPORT. >> THANK YOU WE HAVE RACHEL HERE THIS EVENING VIRTUALLY TO REPORT

TO YOU ON THIS PROJECT. CAN YOU HIM. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> YES WE CAN. >> THANK YOU MY NAME IS RACHEL THE PLAN WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES THEY SEEK TO ADD A BUILDING ON THE SITE FOR AUTO PURPOSE USAGE.

ALL OF THE THEY TO ALLOW FOR THIS AND IN THIS CASE TO THE NORTH IT WAS A WETLAND AND AND EXISTING VARIANCE. THERE WILL ALSO BE BICYCLE PARKING ADDED NEAR THE ENTRANCE.

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THERE WILL ALSO BE PANELS, WINDOWS AND DECORATIVE LIGHTING TO ACCENTUATE THE ENTRANCE.

THE ONLY OUTSTANDING ITEM WE HAVE IS NOT HAVING A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN.

WE HAVE RECEIVED ALL OF THE LIGHT FIXTURES THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY CURRENTLY.

I THINK WHEN WE RECEIVE THE PLAN, WE WILL MOST LIKELY FIND IT DOES NOT EXCEED THE CANDLES.

I RECOMMENDED IN THE REPORT TO SEND THIS TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE WITH FINAL VOTING.

BUT AS I THINK ABOUT IT I THINK WE COULD APPROVE THIS ITEM TONIGHT IF YOU WISH, SUBJECT TO FINALIZING ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND APPLYING FOR THE WAIVER SO, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, RACHEL. THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I HOPE NO ONE BECOMES UNGLUED. I LOOK AT THIS SECTION AS A POTENTIAL PATH TO NOWHERE FOREVER. THIS SEEMS LIKE A WOMEN ON THE OTHER SIDE. I KNOW WE LIKE TO BUILD SO IT CONNECTS.

THESE ARE PRIVATE ROADS TOO. THIS IS PRETTY CUT AND DRY. >> CHARLIE I WILL INTERPRET THAT

AS A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS. >> OR A QUESTION TO STAFF. YOU DON'T WANT TO ANSWER THAT

QUESTION. >> I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING.

I THINK IT IS A SUGGESTION WE DO THAT INSTEAD OF BUILDING THE PATH.

BEARS NO ISSUE WITH TAKING IT OFF. IF THEY HAD TO PAY FOR IT MS. MOBILITY. BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER EITHER WAY.

I JUST LOOK AT THAT AS MORE, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE JUST GET A COMMITMENT FROM THE THURBER --

THOROUGHFARE FUND. FOR HOWEVER WE DO IT THESE DAYS. >> I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING FOR CARS THAT ARE NOT BEING WORKED ON INDOORS. AND THE TEMPTATION THAT MIGHT EXIST TO USE COULD WE GET A COMMITMENT TO KEEP ALL CARS PARKED, NO CLOSER THAN THE DUMPSTER LOCATION, OTHER THAN BEFORE DESIGNATED AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

>> MAY BE -- SO WE DON'T HAVE TO POLICE IT. >> QUICK QUESTION, IS THERE.

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>> SOME OF THE FALLS WITHIN AN ALREADY PROVIDED DETENTION AND THE REQUIREMENTS ARE YOU HAVE TO BE BELOW 93 WERE NOT THIS IS THE OWNER'S RESPONSE THEY NEED TO RECOMMEND SENDING IT TO COMMITTEE FIRST BECAUSE WE POTENTIALLY CAN PRESENT AS SUCH BUT IT WOULD BE EASIER MAY BE WE HAVE MADE SOMETHING CONDITIONAL WITH STAFF WORKING IT OUT, THAT CAN ALSO BE AN OPTION.

>> RACHEL WHAT YOU SAY? STAND SHE SAID YES. >> I THINK WE CAN HANDLE THAT

ADMINISTRATIVELY. >> WE HAVE TO PUT ON THIS. >> ALL IN FAVOR FOR SUSPENDING THE RULES TO VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE?

>> FURTHERMORE I MOTION WE APPROVE THIS DOCKET PENDING REVIEW AND PARKING NO FURTHER THAN THE DUMPSTER, AND THE COMMITMENT OF THE HARD SURFACE FIVE.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE? >> THANK YOU.

>> THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING IS CLEANUP WORK ON A PROJECT WE HEARD ABOUT LAST MONTH IT IS DOCKET NUMBER PZ2021-00217 DP/ADL LESS. 600 FEET WHERE IT 696 AS REQUESTED. THE APPLICANT SEEKS DESIGN STANDARD WAIVER FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC TO 690 FEET TO ACCOMMODATE SIX NEW LOTS. THE ZONING IS S-2 RESIDENCE.

FILED BY DUANE OF ( INDISCERNIBLE ) ON BEHALF OF STEVE PITTMAN, THE OWNER.

THE FLOORS OR SPIRIT. >> HELLO MY NAME IS DUANE AND STEVE CANNOT BE WITH US TONIGHT.

I AM REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF TWO LARGER LOTS. AS YOU APPROVE LAST MONTH WITH THE APPROVAL AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT WE HAVE TO EXTEND THE COURT TO 696 FEET IN LENGTH WE ARE

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>> DEPARTMENT REPORT. >> WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE WAIVER AND IT IS A MINOR INCREASE. WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU SUSPEND YOUR RULES AND PROCEDURE

AND APPROVE THE ITEM THIS EVENING. >> SO MOVED.

>> THANK YOU. ALL WHO APPROVE SIGNIFY BY THING AYE.

ANY OPPOSE? THE WAIVER IS GRANTED. THANK YOU.

[I. Old Business ]

WILL GET A REPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE CHAIR. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS A

LITTLE BIT. >> FOR THE RECORD, THE STAFF ABSENT UPDATED REPORT THAT THEY DID TRY TO BACK IN 2016, WHEN THE ORIGINAL WAS PROPOSED, IT WAS FOR BOTH HAVE SPIRIT THE SUBJECT REAL ESTATE THAT IS UP FOR BOTH TONIGHT. AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY. THEY HAD NOT BEEN PROPOSED, THE TRAIL WAS STILL THERE AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE VERY CONCERNED AND THE COUNCIL WAS HOW DO WE TRANSITION.

HOW DO WE MAKE SURE LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING WAS IN PLACE BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE AT THE TIME DIDN'T HAVE ANY STANDARDS FOR EITHER OF THOSE. SINCE THAT TIME, THE TIME HAS CHANGED WHICH WE HELP THINK GIVES PREDICTABILITY AND THINK SCARE OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE QUESTIONS AND ISSUES, BUT WE HAVE STANDARDS IN PLACE THAT REQUIRE THE RESIDENCE TO BE RESPECTED AND A 35-FOOT LEVEL WHICH IS LOVE ZONING OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. LANDSCAPE BUFFERING IS REQUIRED WHEN IT IS ADJACENT. THOSE ARE TWO OF THE KEY THERE WERE OTHER COMMITMENTS AND STAGING. WE THINK THAT IF WE CAN EXECUTE THE RESOLVE THE PUBLIC SECTOR HAS A WAY OF BEING MORE EFFECTIVE WITH BOTH THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

IF THE RESULT IS FINALLY EXECUTED, THEY WILL MOVE IN SHORTLY AND WE WILL SEE A METALLIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER.

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I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR PUTTING UP WITH THIS ON THE PREDICTABILITY OF THE YEAR THINK THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR DILIGENCE. AT THE LAST MEETING.

I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION. >> HE GAVE A REPORT AT THE FINAL REPORT. I VOTED 3-1 ON THIS. I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

IT IS SOMETHING FAIRLY UNIQUE COMPARED TO WHAT GOES ON IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THEY HAVE NO PLAN FOR THIS TIME. RATHER THAN TO HAVE ANOTHER PARCEL.

SO, THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE WAS. YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS AND THAT DEPARTMENT HAS. MY PHOTO WAS NOT A REFLECTION ON YOU.

LOOKING AT THIS AND WHAT MIGHT BE OR SOMEBODY STEPPED UP TO DO THIS.

IT'S NOT SAYING THAT ALL OF THESE PARCELS WILL BE ON BOARD. THE FINAL VOTE WAS 3-1 BUT THE ORIGINAL WAS TO HAPPEN TO. BUT WE DID WANT TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION.

WE WANTED THEM TO DISCUSS THIS AND COMING BACK WITH AT LEAST A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.

>> I WAS ALSO A NO VOTE BUT NO REFLECTION ON THE STAFF. I HAVE ALWAYS HAD A LITTLE DISCOMFORT CHANGING. I KNOW IT CAN BE BUILT. I KNOW THE HOUSE CAN BE BUILT NEXT-DOOR AT 35 FEET ANYWAY. THEY ALSO SAID THERE WAS NO PLAN, CHECK WITH ANOTHER DEPARTMENT AND THEY WERE NOT PURSUING A. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN

PRIVATELY IF THEY COULD. THAT IS WHERE I MET. >> MAY I ADDRESS BACK PLEASE?

>> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, THEY APPROVE THE REZONED SUBJECT TO THE COMMITMENTS.

WHETHER THE COMMITMENTS, THEY GET ROLLED BACK OR NOT, THEY DON'T GET ANOTHER SHOT AT IT.

THIS IS NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE PLAN COMMISSION. IT IS FULFILLING THE POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION THAT -- AND THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL IN 2016 BY THIS BODY SUBJECT TO THE COMPLETION OF THE COMMITMENTS. ONCE THE COMMITMENTS, WHETHER THEY ARE SIGNED INDIVIDUALLY OR PART OF THE AREA, IF THERE IS ONE HOLDOUT, AND ITS ACQUIRED WHICH THE AMENDMENT TO THE C2

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WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE THIS A LITTLE QUICKER, IF IT DOESN'T OCCUR, I'M A LITTLE MORE CONFIDENT THAN HENRY THAT SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN HERE BUT THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME,

THAT IS THE CASE. >> RESPECTFULLY. >> THAT WOULD BE FINE BUT IF EVERYONE STANDS ON IT THAT WOULD HAPPEN ANYWAY. I WILL STILL STAY WITH THAT.

>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. FIRST, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND PROCESS. THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE SAYS IT'S UP TO THE REMOVING THE COMMITMENTS WE WILL CHANGE THE ZONING FOR THE ENTIRE BLOCK WHERE RIGHT NOW SOMEWHERE IN C2.

MY CONCERN IS, WE HAVE ONE LOT I WANT THAT TO BE PROTECTIVE BUT I ALSO HEARD AT SOME POINT, THEY WANTED TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE. I THINK THIS IS HARD TO IMPROVE WITHOUT A PLAYER.

TYPICALLY WHEN THESE COME THROUGH, WE MAY NOT HAVE ALL OF THE DETAILS, WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE PLANT FOR THE FINAL FEE TO VOTE THERE'S MORE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

AT LEAST IN THE MEETINGS I HAVE WATCHED. THAT IS HOW IT HAS LOOK.

THERE'S MORE INFORMATION I FEEL A NEED HERE. >> CLARIFICATION?

>> I DO WANT TO POINT OUT AND MIKE WILL TELL ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE HE'S GOOD AT THAT.

THEY DID WANT TO BUILD AT ONE TIME, BUT I THINK THEY WENT THROUGH BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY

THAT. >> I DON'T THINK WE STOPPED ANYONE, I THINK IT WAS A CHOICE.

>> THAT IS A GOOD CLARIFICATION, THANK YOU. >> MIKE, TELL ME IF THIS IS A GOOD IDEA OR A TERRIBLE IDEA. IS IT POSSIBLE, TO TIE INTO THIS AMENDMENT FOR THIS BLOG, THE CONCERN IS WHAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED. THEY HAVE NO OVERSIGHT FROM ADL LESS PERSPECTIVE. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO TIE THE AMENDMENTS TO GIVING THE PLAN COMMISSION TO SEE THE PLAN PUT IN PLACE. THE PLAN COMMISSION, THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL HAVE TO RE- DISCUSS. THE DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS AND THE ORDINANCE DELEGATES THE COMMISSION APPROVAL THE FINAL APPROVAL IS DELEGATED AND IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS, THERE IS NO SITE PLAN BECAUSE THERE IS NO SITE PLAN.

THERE'S NO DESIGN, AND THE CONCEPT PLAN WE SHOWED, THAT IS OUR STARTING POINT.

PLEASE GO TO THE COUNSELING THERE'S NO MORE DETAIL BUT WHAT WERE TRYING TO DO FOR A

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WHAT'S BETTER, WHAT'S BETTER FOR FOR AN AREA I CANNOT SAY COMMERCIAL IS A BETTER FIT.

WITH ONE STAND OUT, NO MATTER WHO THAT STANDOUT IS, AND YOU BUILD AND EVERYONE ELSE AGREES, YOU BUILD A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THERE'S ONE HOUSE, AGAINST THIS NEW BUILDING THAT YOU BUILT, I DON'T THINK THE CITY WANTS TO GO INTO AN AREA THAT IT IS NOT REALLY NECESSARY AT THAT

POINT BUT THAT IS MY OPINION. I. >> I MAY BE OVERSIMPLIFYING IT, MAYBE I'M NOT. IF I WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REZONING NOW, AND SOMEONE WANTED TO REDEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY, NOT REDEVELOPED, BUT TEAR DOWN THEIR HOUSE AND MAKE IT NICE, WITH A

BE ABLE TO DO THAT? >> IF SOMEONE DIDN'T WANT TO GO ALONG WITH THIS AND WANTED TO

SELL TO ANOTHER RESIDENT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. >> THIS IS NOT A PETITION FOR REZONED THIS IS TO MOVE OTHER COMMITMENTS. THE RESULT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT AS WELL.

THE C2 DISTRICTS STILL ALLOWS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. >> THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT

OUT. IT IS ALREADY C2. >> SOME ARE ZONED RESIDENTIALLY AND SOME C2. NOW THE BLOCK IS CHANGED WALL C2.

>> AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT WAS REZONED SUBJECT TO INDIVIDUAL PARCELS ACCEPTING THIS COMMITMENT TO MOVE. AND THEY ARE MODIFIABLE AND CAN BE REMOVED.

SO, THEY WILL ACCEPT THE COMMITMENTS. WHAT IS ON THE TABLE TODAY IS REMOVING THOSE COMMITMENTS, BUT NOT AN INDIVIDUAL STEP. IF THAT WAS -- THOSE THAT MAKE

SENSE? >> IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, TO SEE IT COME THROUGH WITH A DESIGN OR A PETITIONER TO COME THROUGH WITH THE DESIGN FROM THE SENSE, NEITHER CRC OR PETITIONER CAN FORCE THE PROPERTY OWNER INSERT DEVELOPMENT. THAT USE IS NOT GOING TO GO

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AWAY. >> WE HAVE DONE THIS AND OTHER PLACES.

I'M THINKING 111TH STREET WHEN WE REZONED. THERE STILL A COUPLE OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSES THERE FROM SOMEONE SAYS THEY'RE NOT GOING ALONG WITH IT.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> KEEP IN MIND AND TELL ME IF I AM WRONG.

>> THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING IF SOMEONE WANTS TO IF SOMETHING CAN BE BUILT SOMEONE

WANTS TO SAY THERE,. >> IS THIS THE TYPE OF THING SINCE THERE'S NO URGENCY TO DEVELOP, THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT IS WHAT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE IS TO HAVE REMAINED IN THEIR HOUSE SOMEONE WANTS TO LIVE IN THE AREA POTATO WANT TO LOCK DOWN THE AND PUT ANOTHER HOUSE THERE, THEY MAY WANT TO MIRROR IT BUT IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

IF SOMEONE WERE TO KEEP THAT, IT'S NOT EXACTLY -- MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE WANT TO SEE,

ESPECIALLY AT THIS TIME. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS TO CLEAN UP.

IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL IT STAYS RESIDENTIAL. THEY WANT TO TEAR DOWN OR BUILD A NEW HOUSE. IF THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TAKEN TO THAT NO MATTER WHAT.

IF THEY MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS, THEY WILL GET A PERMIT.

IF IT IS C2 DOES IT BECOME THE CRC OR YOU, FOR WHAT HOUSE THEY CAN BUILD ON THE PROPERTY, AND

YOU COULD TURN IT DOWN, CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LETTING PEOPLE SAVE RESIDENTIAL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LETTING PEOPLE STAY RESIDENTIAL OR MAKING IT OFF C2 AT SAINT RESIDENTIAL IS STILL ALLOWED. YES, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR HOUSE BUT IF WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THREE STORY TOWNHOMES OR SOMETHING ELSE ON THE PROPERTY WE CAN TURN

THEM DOWN TO BUILD SOMETHING ELSE ON THE HOUSE. >> I GUESS I HAVE TO CLARIFY.

THERE ARE CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS. GENERALLY IT IS CORRECT. BUT IF THERE'S AN ADDITION.

>> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IN ADDITION. >>

>> ANOTHER SCENARIO MAY BE SOMEONE GETS CONTROL OF THE LOTS.

AND THEY SAY I WANT TO BUILD A STARBUCKS, THEN THERE STILL SOME LINGERING SINGLE-FAMILY USE.

THERE IS A PROPOSAL FOR COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT AND YET NEITHER OF THEM IS THE HIGHEST OR BEST USE. I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE OBJECTIVE BEHIND REMOVING THE COMMITMENTS. GETTING TO THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL OUTCOME AND WHAT WE ARE

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VALUE OF THAT DIFFICULT DECISION IS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT TOO. >> THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE ARE

HERE. OF LAND LEFT IS HARDER. >> IT IS BECOMING MORE DYNAMIC.

>> I THINK WHAT BRAD POINTED OUT IS, THE SCARIER PART. WHAT IF WE END UP WITH TACO BELL NEXT TO THE RESIDENCE ON MAIN STREET. WERE NOT LOOKING AT IT HOLISTICALLY. I FEEL BETTER KNOWING IF THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE THAT DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING. IF THEY AS MUCH AS I LIKE THEM I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE

HAS TO. >> NOW I FEEL EVEN BETTER ABOUT IT.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE MORE THING TO ADD DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS SCARCE AND SOUGHT AFTER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE RESIDENTIAL BUILDS DOWNTOWN WHERE THEY CAN WALK TO RESTAURANTS AND SHOPPING. IT IS THE NUMBER ONE REQUEST.

I WANT SOMETHING AFFORDABLE. I DON'T WANT TO GO BACKWARDS AND TURN DOWN PERFECTLY GOOD HOUSES

AND SHOPS THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO OCCUPY. >> TOOK THIS PROJECT GETS WELL DEVELOPED BE THE ANSWER TO WHAT YOU JUST MENTION. IF WE TRADE THREE SINGLE-FAMILY

HOMES FOR AND WERE ANSWERING THE MARKET. >> EXCUSE ME IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION? BROWNOUTS THAT'S RIGHT GROUNDHOG

DAY IS NEXT MONTH WE CAN KEEP DISCUSSING THIS IN FEBRUARY. >> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE DOCKET PZ-2021-00160 SIGNIFY BY THINK AYE THOSE OPPOSED SAY IN A WIDE.

ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HANDS? OPPOSED? THE MOTION FAILS.

WE HAVE FAILED TO APPROVE THE COMMITMENT AMENDMENT IS THERE A NEW MOTION?

>> IT GOES BACK TO STATUS QUO. >> TWO DENIED THE DOCKET. >> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DENY THE DOCKET SAY AYE. A MOTION TO DENY THINK AYE. OPPOSED TO DENYING THIS?

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>> CAN WE PLEASE DO THE SHOW OF HANDS? >> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DENY FRASER HAND. ALL OPPOSED CLICKS SO THE MOTION BEST RECORD SEES ME THE PETITION HAS BEEN TONIGHT. THANK YOU. I LOST MY AGENDA.

WE HAVE NO OTHER NEW BUSINESS FOR THIS

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.