Mar 15, 2022 Carmel Plan Commission

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>> GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO THE MARCH 15RBGS 2022 MEETING OF THE THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION. WE ARE NOW IN ORDER.

[B. Pledge of Allegiance ]

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU.

[C. Roll Call ]

[D. Declaration of Quorum ]

DEBBIE WAS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, REPLACING NICK KESTNER.

HE HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION -- NICK IS NOT HERE, BUT I WANT TO THANK NICK FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS OF FAITHFUL SERVICE TO THIS COMMISSION.

ADD A COUPLE MORE "MANY MANES TO THAT.

GOOD COMMISSIONERS DON'T RETIRE, THEY CONTINUE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITIES. NICK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. DEBBIE, WELCOME.

LOOKING TOWARD TO PUTTING TO YOU WORK.

IT'S GOOD TO GET A SEASONED GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL FROM MARIAN COUNTY NOW SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.

LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.

[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report ]

SO I WILL START WITH COMMUNICATIONS, BILLS, EXPENDITURES AND REPORT OF LEGAL COUNSEL.

>> MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT OTHER THAN A COUPLE OF RESOLUTIONS. IT'S A CRC MATTER.

I WONDER IF HE IS HERE TO PRESENTS?

>> HE'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU. >> I APOLOGIZE.

THE FLOOR IS YOURS. BASICALLY YOUR MICROPHONE IS THE POWER BUTTON. THE MIC WILL LIGHT UP WHEN IT IS

ON. >> IS THAT ON? THEN I HAVE A COUPLE OF MAPS TO THIS.

>> IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS ALREADY IN OUR HANDOUTS?

>> I DID DISPLAY IT. >> YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINES OF WHERE YOU CAN LAY THAT AND IT WILL BE PROJECTED FOR THE ROOM.

>> MY NAME IS VER ON, YOU ARE USED SEEING BRUCE UP HERE BUT HAS THE GOOD FORTUNE OF BEING ON VACATION TODAY.

I'M FILLING IN FOR HIM. WE HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THIS FIRST ONE COMING TO YOU FROM THE CRC. THE FIRST ONE, CRC PROPOSING TO DECLARATORY RESOLUTION AND PLAN FOR THE CITY CENTER REDEVELOPMENT AREA TO REMOVE PARCELS FROM TWO TWO ALLOCATION AREAS. AND WE'LL HAVE THE FIRE HOUSE EAST ALLOCATION AREA, WHICH YOU SEE HERE AND THE PROJECT THAT RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF CONDOMINIUMS. JUST AS A REMINDER, THE PLAN COMMISSION WILL DETERMINE THAT THESE ACTIONS BY THE CRC CONFORM TO THE PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY AND IF APPROVED, IT WILL MOVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR APPROVE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE?

>> GO ON TO THE SECOND ONE AS WELL.

WE'LL DISCUSS THEM IN TANDEM. >> THE SECOND ONE IS A DECLARATORY RESOLUTION AND PLAN FOR THE OLD MERIDIAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA. REMOVING PARCELS FROM THE EXISTING OLD MERIDIAN EXPANSION ALLOCATION AREA AND DESIGNATING A SECOND ALLOCATION AREA TO BE KNOWN AS THE OLD MERIDIAN APARTMENT ALLOCATION AREA, THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND

PARKING DEVELOPMENT. >> THANK YOU.

AS MOST OF US ARE AWARE, THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IS TO AFFIRM THAT THESE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IN THE CASE OF FIREHOUSE EAST, TWO OF THOSE PARCELS WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO THAT ISSUE ONCE BEFORE.

WE ARE SIMPLY REALLOCATING THEM. IN FACT, THAT'S ALSO TRUE, NOW THAT I THINK OF IT, FOR THE OLD MERIDIAN ALLOCATION AREA, ALSO.

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>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU, BOTH.

ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING RESOLUTION PZ-2004-15-22-A AND PZ-ARE PC--22-B. SIGNIFY EYE SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED? RESOLUTIONS ARE PASSED.

THANK YOU, VERONICA. >> IN MY RUSH TO GET HOME FOR

[E. Approval of Minutes ]

ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DRAFT THAT WAS CIRCULATED

EARLIER OR A MOTION TO APPROVED. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU, BOTH.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS PREVIOUSLY CIRCULATED, SAY "AYE"? ANY OPPOSED?

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns ]

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO COMMITTEE MEETINGS EARLIER THIS MONTH. SO WE HAVE NO UPDATES ON THOSE ITEMS. AND THEN WE HAVE NO ITEMS TO

MENTION IN OUR TABLE TONIGHT. >> GREAT, THANK YOU.

[H. Public Hearings (Part 1 of 2) ]

PROVIDE FOR THE PETITIONER TO TAKE UP TO 15 MINUTES TO DESCRIBE THE PROJECT. AND SUPPORT THE PETITION.

THEN THE FLORIDA IS UP UP TO 20 MINUTES OF PUBLIC COMMENT IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO THAT PETITION.

PETITIONER WILL HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS. AND THEN WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT REPORT. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

SO WITH THAT, OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS DOCKET PZ--2021-00139-DPADLS, BURGER JOINT, WOOD GRAIN PIZZERIA.

PARCEL 10921 NORTH MICHIGAN ROAD, THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WESTON POINTE BOULEVARD AND MICHIGAN ROAD U.S. 421.

IT IS ZONED B-3 BUSINESS AND LOCATED WITHIN THE US 421 OVERLAY ZONE. FILED BY JOE OBERWEIS, OWNER.

HE WAS GOING TO BE -- THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.

JOE IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. JOE, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

CAN YOU HEAR US? >> THANK YOU.

I CAN HEAR YOU JUST FINE. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LET US PARTICIPATE REMOTELY, RACHEL COMMENTED EARLIER TODAY, IT'S ONE OF THE FEW POSITIVES OF THE PANDEMIC. WE HAVE WITH US TONIGHT, JAMES -- WHO IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF STORES.

I AM JOE OBERWEIS, PRESIDENT AND C.E.O., WITH US AS WELL IS JIM BLAY LOCH, VICE PRESIDENT OF STORES.

ERIC IS OUR ARCHITECT. HE IS ALSO -- AND SWHOM US WORKING ON SECURING THIS LOCATION FOR -- GOSH, PROBABLY A YEAR WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. I'LL SAY REAL QUICK, OVER THE COMPANY, WHAT WE DO, AND ERIC WILL PRESENT THE MORE TECHNICAL AND ARCHITECTURAL PIECE OF IT. I'M A FOURTH GENERATION OF BUSINESSES, MY GREAT FATHER IS A DARE DAIRY FARMER.

WE OPENED ICE CREAM STORES STARTING IN THE 1950S.

WE HAD ONE IN CARMEL THAT UNFORTUNATELY WASN'T SUCCESSFUL.

BUT WE STILL BELIEVE IN THE MARKET AND BELIEVE IT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR US TO BE. THIS IS AN UPDATED FORMAT.

THIS WILL BE OUR THIRD LOCATION EVER THIS FORMAT.

WE HAD ONE IN GENEVA, ILLINOIS AND ONE IN O'FALLON, MISSOURI.

AS YOU SEE THE EXTERIOR, IT WAS A COMBINATION OF AN ICE CREAM, DAIRY STORE. THAT BURGER JOINTS AND WOO GRAIN PIZZERIA, WHICH ARE FAMILY-FOCUSED CONCEPTS AND BRANDS. OBVIOUSLY SERVES ICE CREAM,

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I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THE BRANDS AND WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE THE STORE.

IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE IF, AFTER REVIEWING THE ARCHITECT, WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE AND HOW IT FUNCTIONS.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ERIC TO TAKE US THROUGH THE PACKET THAT

WAS DISTRIBUTED. >> THAIMPTION, JOE.

I'M ERIC, I'M WITH ARCHITECTS WORKING AS PROJECT MANAGER NOR THIS PROJECT, THAT BURGER JOINTS AND WOOD GRAIN PIZZA.

LET'S JUMP INTO IT HERE. CHECK THE SCREEN.

AS JOE STATED, THE PROJECT IS 2920, BURGER JOINT, WOODGRAIN PIZZERIA COMBINATION. THIS IS THE U.S. 421 OVERLAY ZONE ON THE NORTHERN PARCEL OF 10920, WHICH HAS WEB ROAD TO THE WEST, WESTON POINT DRIVE TO THE NORTH AND U.S. 421 TO THE EAST.

1.13 ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT OUR PROJECT WILL SEEK TO DEVELOP TO PUT THIS BASED ON GROUND AS WELL AS PARKING AND EVERYTHING NEEDED FOR THE RESTAURANT TO FUNCTION.

AS THE SITE DEVELOPS T WILL BECOME IN FROM THE REAR, ENTERING FROM THE BACK SIDE ALONG AN ACCESS ROAD WE SHARE WITH DEVELOPING KINDER CARE LOCATION TO THE SOUTH.

THIS CONCEPT IS GOING TO BE UTILIZING A DRIVE-THRU, AS WELL AS WALK-IN. WE DEVELOPED THIS SITE TO HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING, AS WELL AS DRIVE-THRU.

YOU WOULD ENTER ALONG THE BACK SIDE, COMING AROUND -- LET'S SEE HERE. DOUBLE-LANE ACCESS FOR MAKING SURE WE CAN EFFICIENTLY PROCESS THE ORDERS COMING IN THROUGH THE DRIVE-THRU. THE FRONT OF THE SPACE IS A PARKING LOT, AS WELL AS ACCESSIBLE PARKING TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE FACING EAST TOWARDS U.S.

421. KIND OF LIKE THIS AREA OF THE PEDESTRIAN AND WALKING AREA, FROM THE PARKING.

ON HERE, WE HAVE A REND DERRING OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BUILDING. WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH CARMEL'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH RACHEL AND A FEW OTHERS TO KIND OF UNIFY WHAT WITH BURGER JOINT/WOODGRAIN'S ESTHETIC TO BE MORE CLOSELY IN LINE WITH WHAT THE U.S. 421 OVERLAY IS, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE KIND OF CONSERVATIVE APPROACH.

I THINK OUR DESIGN CAME OUT NICELY FROM THE APPROACHES OUT ON U.S. 421. YOU HAVE WOOD GLAIN COMING IN FROM THE SOUTHEAST. THE SIGN UP IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE MATERIALS A LITTLE MORE UNIFIED, BUT ALSO TRYING TO KEEP THE COMPLEX UNIQUE BY VARYING THE BRICK A LITTLE BIT.

YOU KNOW THAT BURGER JOINT HAS RED BRICKS.

WOODGRAIN MOVING TOWARD A BROWN AND OTHERWISE KEEPING WITH MORE OF THE WHITE CONCEPT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT VARYING THIS IS A LITTLE BIT AFTER DWEEFTIONF A DEAFIATION, BUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS THREE COMBO RESTAURANT IS TO REALLY DEPICT AS PEDESTRIANS AND PATRONS COME TO THE SITE, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT JUST ONE RESTAURANT THERE.

ARE THREE CONCEPTS IN ONE FAMILY-FRIENDLY CONCEPT ALL TOGETHER. WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT UNIQUE OF EACH OTHER, WHILE NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT TOO DIFFERENT.

>> HERE WE HAVE OUR STANDARD ELEVATIONS ON THESE.

THE BUILDING OVERALL IS UNIFIED WITH THE HEIGHT.

NOT TOO MUCH VARIATION. LOOKING AT THE HIGHEST POINT BEING THE VESTIBULE, WHICH IS OUR MAIN ENTRANCE TO THIS SPACE.

THERE IS ONE ENTRANCE THAT EVERYONE COMES THROUGH BEFORE

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KEEPING IT IN THAT 1 AND A HALF-STORY RANGE PRACTICE THE U.S. 421 STRIVES TO KIND OF KEEP, WITHOUT GOING TOO HIGH OF 35 IS THE HIGHEST ON THERE. WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE.

WE STATED EARLIER WE TRIED TO KEEP SIMILARITY IN OUR MATERIALS. WE DIDN'T WANT TO VARY IT TOO MUCH, VARIOUS OF BRICK COLORS. THE WHITE FOR THE BURGER JOINTS AND MORE OF A BROWN VARIATION FOREIGN THE WOODGRAIN.

WE TRIED TO MINIMIZE AS MUCH AS WE COULD IN HERE.

YOU FIND IT IN THE CORNISES AT THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.

MOST OF THE LARGER SPANSES ARE A THIN STORM VENEER.

WE USED PORCELAIN IN THE PAST. IT HAS A NICER FINISH THAN THE STANDARD EFIS. IT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE CHEAP FINISHED. WE WANTED TO KEEP IT NICER, REFINED, SOMETHING MORE ATTRACTIVE TO THE SPACE.

FINISHING OFF WITH WAYNE SCOTT CMU THINSET SPLIT-FACED BRICK AT THE BOTTOM GOING AROUND AS THE BASE AS WELL AS PILL ASTURS GOING AROUND TO VARY UP THOSE AS WELL.

LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND SPACE, YOU WILL SEE HERE THAT WE HAVE -- WE HAVE WALL-MOUNTED LIGHTS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO HELP LIGHT UP THE SITE ESSENTIALLY.

THESE ARE UP/DOWN LIGHTS. PRETTY ATTRACTIVE, BUT NOT TOO GARISH IN DESIGN. UP/DOWN IS TYPICALLY BLACK OR CHARCOAL THAT WE WILL BE USING. WALL PACKS, SERVICE LIGHTS OVER THE SERVICE DOORS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE CODE.

SOMETHING WE HAVE WITH A NICE ATTRACTIVE FINISH THERE.

THEN THE SITE LIGHTING WHICH WILL BE IN SINGLES OR DOUBLE HEADED DEPENDING HOW THEY WERE ON THE SITE.

I KNOW THIS IS A -- GETTING KIND OF TECHNICAL, YOU I DON'T GET INTO THIS ALL THAT MUCH. WE HAVE SITE DOUBLES OUT THERE OR SINGLES IN CERTAIN AREAS. A LOT OF OUR SIDE LIGHTING WILL BE JUST JUMP UP HERE REAL QUICK. THOSE KIND OF UP/DOWN LIGHTS WILL BE POSITIONED IN VARIOUS SPOTS ON THE BUILDING, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. UP/DOWN ALONG THE ENTRANCE PATHS, JUST TO KEEP THAT CURB LIT UP.

OUR TRASH ENCLOSURE, THIS IS REAL IMPORTANT.

WE DESIGN OUR TRASH ENCLOSURE TO BE UNIFIED WITH OUR BUILDING.

A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS THE BRICK, WE USE A BRICK, GMU CONSTRUCTION ON THE INSIDE. THE BRICK COVERS ARE THE SAME AS ONE OF THE THREE TYPES ON THE BUILDING.

JUST TO KEEP THAT ALL THE SAME AREA.

WE HAVE EASY ACCESS. IT COMES STANDARD, 35 FEET ACCESS FOR TRUCKS. WE DESIGN THE SITE SO THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH GARBAGE TRUCKS GETTING IN AND STUFF.

HERE WE HAVE A FLOOR PLAN. I TRY NOT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO DETAILS HERE. ESSENTIALLY, YOU HAVE NORTH-FACING TO THE LEFT. YOU WILL COME FROM THE FRONT PARKING. YOU WILL ENTER FROM ONE DOUBLE DOOR ENTRANCE. THIS IS THE VESTIBULE SPACE THAT WILL BRING IN THE PATRONS FROM ALL THE CONCEPTS.

CUEING WILL COME IN AND REGISTERS WILL BE HERE.

YOU WILL QUEUE UP, ORDER FROM THE MENUS THERE IN FRONT OF YOU ON THE WALL TO THE BACK. YOU WILL DO YOUR ORDER AND PICK UP FROM ONE OF THE THREE LOCATIONS.

EITHER FROM OBERWEIS WILL HAVE YOUR BURGER JOINT AND WOODGRAIN IN THIS AREA. THEN YOUR CHOICE OF DESIGN-IN THERE. YOU ARE NOT NECESSARILY SPLIT UP BUT THEY DO HAVE THEIR DISTINCT CHARACTERISTICS.

YOU HAVE WOODGRAIN, MORE BOOTH SEATING.

THAT BURGER JOINT, YOU HAVE A FEW MORE FAMILY TABLES, MORE FREE FORM. THEN OBERWEIS, A LITTLE MORE OF A BOOTH, LIKE WALKING INTO A MILK SHAKE, MALT SHOP FEEL.

THAT'S WHAT YOU FIND THERE. YOU NOTICE IF YOU HAVE INFO PACKETS, WE REDESIGNED THE PREP SPACE.

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TRYING TO KEEP THE FRONT OF HOUSE WHERE MOST OF THE CONCEPT YOU FIND IN GENERALLY AVE AND O'FALLON.

LANDSCAPING WE HAD THE CIVIL ENGINEERS WORKING ON GETTING LANDSCAPING DOWN ON THIS. WE ARE AWARE MAKING SURE WE DON'T KEEP TOO MUCH IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.

WE HAVE PLENTY OF SHADE TRAILS AS WELL AS PERENNIAL SHRUBS TO BLOCK LIGHTING FROM PARKING. KEEP THAT SPACE MORE FRIENDLY AND TRY TO REDEVELOP IT AS MORE THAN A BLANK SPOT.

AS WELL AS TRYING TO GET CONNECTIONS TO OUR PEDESTRIAN ON EACH OF THE THREE ROADS WE HAVE ON THIS.

SIGNAGE. WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT SIGNAGE TARPS WE USE. ON THIS PLAN WE'LL HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN TO THE NORTHEAST ON WETSEN POINT DRIVE TO GAIN VISIBILITY FROM BOTH OF THOSE DIRECTIONS.

THAT MONUMENT SIGN IS GOING TO HAVE ALL THREE CONCEPTS ON IT.

IT'S THE SAME OR SIMILAR SITUATION AS THE TRASH ENCLOSURE. IT WILL USE SAME BRICK TYPES FOUND ON THE BUILDING. TYPICALLY IT'S THE OBERWEIS WHITE ON THERE. THESE ARE INTERNALLY BACK WITH SIGN PANELS BUILT HERE AND THIS MONUMENT SIGN WILL BE A FOCAL POINT AS YOU ACCESS FROM U.S. 421.

OTHER SITES SIGNAGE, THIS IS LIKE TECHNICAL, DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE. DOWN HERE AS YOU ENTER OFF RED ROAD, THE PRIMARY ACCESS, YOU WILL HAVE A DIRECTIONAL SIGN THAT POINTS TO A DRIVE-THRU AS YOU ARE DRIVING IN, OR AS YOU ARE EXITING, IT WILL BE A THANK YOU SIGN.

A 36-INCH SIGN. THAT WILL ALSO BE INTERNAL IN THE BACK. SIGNS AND CLEARANCE GUARD.

BOTH OF THESE ARE LIKE PREVIOUS PROJECTS.

PRETTY ATTRACTIVE FOR THE MOST PART.

PART OF THE CODE SAYS BASE BRICK DESIGN ON THERE, SO THAT'S WHAT WE GOT. TWO PANELS A WINGS ON IT.

IT HAS THE FULL GAMUT OF THE MENU ON THERE.

THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS ON THAT SCORE.

THE SIGN HAS TO BE DEVELOPED. BUT THIS SECTION WOULD HAVE THAT THERE AND THEN ON THE TOP THESE ARE THE ELEVATION SIGNS THAT YOU WILL FIND ON THE BUILDING. THAT BURGER JOINT AND WOODGRAIN AND OBERWEIS ARE BOTH INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGNS FOR THOSE SITUATIONS. I BELIEVE THAT'S MOST OF THE STUFF ON HERE. I TRIED NOTE TO RUN THROUGH IT TOO FAST BUT WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP TIME HERE AS WELL.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP.

IF YOU WANT ANYTHING BLOWN UP, ELEVATIONS OR RENDERINGS OR WANT MORE DETAIL, I CAN DO THAT AS WELL.

>> YOUR TIMING WAS PERFECT. YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T HEAR ON ZOOM BUT THE 15 MINUTE TIMER WENT OFF AS SOON AS YOU SAID "THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT IT." YOU WERE SPOT ON.

YOU'RE EVEN AN HOUR BEHIND US. SO GOOD FOR YOU.

GREAT. THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION? SEEING NONE.

I BELIEVE I'M ACCURATE IN SAYING WE RECEIVED NO LETTERS FOR THIS PETITION? THEN WE'LL GO TO THE DEPARTMENT

REPORT. >> THANK YOU.

AS WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT, THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A NEW RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THRU.

THE SITE IS JUST NORTH OF AND SHARES AN ENTRANCE WITH KINDER CARE. OFF MICHIGAN ROAD.

THIS IS A GREAT COMPLIMENTARY AND OPPOSITE TYPE USE THAT CAN SHARE PARKING OFF HOURS. THERE ARE 47 PARKING SPACES PROVIDED ON THE SITE. WHEN 53 ARE REQUIRED.

SO THEY ARE SHORT JUST A LITTLE BIT BUT THE UDO DOES ALLOW FOR SHARED PARKING WITHIN 300 FEET. AND THIS WILL MEET THAT REQUIREMENT BY SHARING WITH THE KINDER CARE, WHICH WAS ALSO DONE AS AN OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THESE FOUR LOTS IN THIS AREA.

SO THE DRIVE-THRU IS PROPOSED ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

AS I NOTED IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, THE LOCATION OF THE

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THAT COVERAGE IS JUST UNDER THE ALLOWED MAXIMUM AT 78%, UP TO 80% IS ALLOWED. THEY HAVE FIVE WALKS PROVIDED ALL AROUND THE SITE FOR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.

ONE THING THEY DIDN'T MENTION, THEY HAVE A PLAYGROUND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU CAN WALK OUT OF FROM THE INSIDE AND ACCESS IT. IT WILL HAVE A FENCE AROUND IT FOR KIDS TO PLAY AND SOME TABLES OUT THERE AS WELL.

IN THAT THE THREE RESTAURANTSIG- ARE WITHIN THE ONE BUILDING.

EACH PORTION OF THE BUILDING HAS SOME ITALIANATE DESIGN ELEMENTS WHICH WE WORKED WITH THE PETITIONER TO MODIFY THE BUILDING TO MORE PRECIPITATELY MATCH THE U.S. 421 REQUIREMENTS.

ALL OF THE WINDOWS ARE OF A SIMILAR STYLE AND SCALE THERE.

IS EXTENSIVE BRICK DETAILING ON THE FAÇADE.

THEY HAVE DENT ILL MOLDING AND THERE ARE BRACKETS USED UNDER THE OVERHANG OF THE WOODGRAIN PIZZERIA PORTION.

THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS CLEARLY DEFINED AND DOES PROJECT OUTWARD FROM THE FACE OF THE BUILDING. THE LIGHTING PLAN IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDO. THE PETITIONER IS WORKING WITH THE URBAN FORRESTER ON GAINING APPROVAL FOR THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

REGARDING SIGNAGE, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE NINE SIGNS PROPOSED. BECAUSE THE SITE IS ON THREE PUBLIC STREET SIDES, ONLY THREE SIGNS ARE PROPOSED.

THEY WILL NEED A VARIANCE IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT MANY SIGNS.

THEN LASTLY, I DID POINT OUT IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME MORE DETAILS PROVIDED ABOUT THE SIGNAGE INSIDE THE BUILDING ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRY DOOR.

WE RECOMMEND THIS GOES TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE MEETING ON TUESDAY, MARCH 29, FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND DISCUSSION.

I SHOULD NOTE EXTRA THERE THAT THAT IS MOVED UP ONE WEEK FROM CARMEL SPRING BREAK, WE FIRST W. THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THE 29TH INSTEAD OF THE FOLLOWING WEEK. THANKS.

>> THANK YOU, RACHEL. THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PETITION AT 6:30. QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR THE PETITIONERS? THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

RACHEL, TELL ME THIS. BEFORE YOU TELL ME THIS.

IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME IN, ESPECIALLY AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL, AND WITH THE ISSUE OF THE ITALIANAT ARCHITECTURE. LOOKING AT THIS DECIDE, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT IS ITALIAN AIDE ABOUT THIS?

>> THANK YOU, ERIC. >> SOME OF THE ELEMENTS, IT'S NOT 100% ITALIAN AIDE. IT DOES SAY COMPLIMENTARY TO OR CONSISTENT WITH. IN FRONT OF THE ELEMENTS THAT THEY HAVE ARE THE WINDOWS AND THE SIZING, THE SYMMETRICALNESS OF THEM. THE BRICK DETAILING, THE FAÇADE, THE DENTIL MOLDING USED OVER THE OBERWEIS PORTION.

AND THEN I HAD POINTED OUT THE BRACKET DETAIL THAT WAS ON THE PIZZA SIDE. IRK, IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN AND AT ANY MORE ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE WORKED HARD TO BRING THOSE DETAILS IN. FIND TO JUMP IN.

>> YOU COVERED IT PRETTY WELL. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE DETAILING, HEARING ITALIAN ARCHITECTURE TENDS TO HAVE, IN SOME SECTIONS MORE AFTER CONSERVATORY FEEL.

LARGE SPANS OF GLASS. TRADITIONALLY IN OUR WOODGRAIN PIZZA CONCEPT THIS IS A LARGE WINDOW OVER HERE LARGE EXPANSE OF UNINTERRUPTED GLASS. WE REALLY DELVED INTO THAT LOOK.

HOW CAN WE PULL THAT OFF WITH ITALIAN STYLING, AND THE ITALIAN CONSERVATORIES AND GOT THAT GLASS IN THERE WHERE YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATES, THICKER AND 13ER IN BETWEEN TO HELP BREAK UP THAT

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THAT'S ALL I WOULD ADD. >> I GET MY INFORMATION FROM ONLINE. I DID NOT SEE ONLINE THE SIGN PACKAGE. I SAW THREE SIGNS, BUT I DID NOT SEE ALL THE SIGNAGE THAT WERE SHOWN TONIGHT THERE A REASON FOR THAT? THERE ARE 13 PAGES ON LAYERS

LASERFICHE. >> WAS THAT SUBMITTED?

>> THE ONLY THING THAT WAS THER- >> I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT SHOULD BE PAGE 13 ACCORDING TO MY LIST. IT HAS THE WALL SIGNS AND SIZES,

THEN IT HAS THE GROUNDS SIGN. >> I DON'T SEE THE GROUND SIGN.

>> IT SHOULD BE UNDER DISRK. >> I MEAN, HIS WAS ALL MORE

DETAILED. >> THEN THE ELEVATIONS WERE ON PAGE 5 THAT HE SHOWED HERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE

ELEVATIONS? >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS, I SAW THAT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNS THAW SHOWED WHEN YOU WERE DETAILING IN YOUR REPORT.

>> MAYBE THE MENU SIGN? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT --

>> YES, IN THE DRIVE-THRU. >> THAT ONE IS SOMETHING I ADDED TO THE PRESENTATION. THIS WAS SOMETHING I NOTED EARLIER TODAY. I TRIED TO GET IT IN TO RAISE YOUR AWARENESS ON THIS. THIS IS BASED OFF THE COMMITTEE'S SUGGESTIONS KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT.

THEY WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THE SIGNAGE PLANS.

I ADDED THIS TO THE PRESENTATION TO BRING CLARIFICATION TO WHERE THE MORE DIRECTIONAL MENU SIGNAGE WAS ON THE SITES.

>> DID YOU NOT HAVE THIS? >> I GOT IT EARLIER TODAY.

>> WHEN YOU COME INTO THE COMMITTEE, WOULD YOU PLEASE BRING THAT? MAKE IT WHATEVER DETAIL SO WE CAN SEE THIS. I PERSONALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THESE THINGS. WHEN MCDONALD'S CAME THROUGH THE BRIDGES, WE MADE CHANGES TO THEIR DRIVE-THRU PACKET.

SO WHEN YOU COME THROUGH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS IN AS GREAT

EVER DETAIL AS YOU CAN MAKE IT. >> OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT? THANKS.

>> WITH RESPECT TO PARKING. SHARED PARKING WITH KINDER CARE.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS SET UP OR DO THEY NEED TO GET APPROVAL FROM KINDER CARE TO HAVE THAT SHARED PARKING? IF SO, DO THEY HAVE THAT LICENSE AGREEMENT NEGOTIATED?

>> I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE TALKED TO THEM SPECIFICALLY OR IF YOU HAVE TALKED TO THE OVERALL LANDOWNER.

>> THEY ARE ACTUALLY OWNERS. KINDER CARE PARCEL AND THIS PARCEL WERE ONE. THE OWNER IS DEVELOPING THINGS LIKE KINDER CARE AND THIS IS LIKE A RESIDUAL PARCEL.

>> SO PRESUMABLY THEY ARE OKAY WITH YOU USING THEIR PARKING

LOT, THEN. >> YOU KNOW, I'M DRAWING A BLANK AS TO WHETHER THAT WAS -- THERE IS AN ACCESS -- I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN RECORDED. I COULD BE MISTAKEN ON THAT.

THERE IS AN ACCESS, BECAUSE THERE IS ALSO AN ISSUE IN THE SAME AGREEMENT WHERE A EMERGENCY TURN LANE THAT USES PART OF OUR PARCEL. THEY HAVEN'T CONVEYED IT TO US YET. THEY STILL HAVE THE POWER TO RECORD THOSE DOCUMENTS AS PART OF THE DUE DILIGENCE AND PROCESS. I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALL IN THE SAME AGREEMENT. I WILL DOUBLE CHECK.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU ON THAT ONE.

I DO LIKE THAT YOU HAVE A PLAYGROUND THAT YOU HAVE ADDED.

NORMALLY I'M THE FIRST ONE TO RAISE THE OBJECTION ABOUT NOT HAVING EXTRA TREES THAT ARE MISSING.

BUT IF YOU PUT THE PLAYGROUND AND THAT IS TAKING UP SPACE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CHOICE. CAN YOU SHOW ME -- I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE DRIVE-THRU. THAT IS ON THE SHARED ROAD BETWEEN YOUR BUILDING AND KINDER CARE? WHERE IS THAT? WHERE IS THE DRIVE-THRU?

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>> ERIC, CAN YOU PULL UP THE SITE?

THERE YOU GO. >> TAKE A BACK TO --

>> THERE YOU GO. >> I WANT TO ENTER IN WHAT AMOUNTS -- TO THE EXTENT THAT IS THE BACK OF THE PARCEL, BACK HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE CARS STACKED ALONG IN THE REAR OF THE

BUILDING. >> ESSENTIALLY THIS GRADE-SHADED AREA HERE -- GRAY-SHADED AREA. WHEN YOU ENTER THE SITE, YOU HAVE THE ACCESS LANE COMING ACROSS THAT'S SHARED WITH KINDER CARE. PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE DRIVE-THRU WILL TAKE A LEFT AND QUEUE AROUND THIS LANE TO THE NORTH OF OUR SITE. PARALLEL TO WESTON POINT BELOVED AND COME TO THE BACK, THE REAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

>> THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM, THEN FOR THE OTHER CARS TO GET THROUGH AS WELL? YES.

>> THERE IS ONLY ONE DRIVE-THRU FOR ALL THREE RESTAURANTS, IS

THAT CORRECT? >> YES.

>> ONE DRIVE-THRU WINDOW. >> ONE DRIVE-THRU.

HOW WE USE IT -- THIS IS STILL NEW FOR US.

CURRENTLY WHAT WE DO IS THE DRIVE-THRU IS MAINLY FOR OBERWEIS AND THAT BURGER JOINT. PIZZA ARE HARD TO DO THROUGH DRIVE-THRU. PEOPLE CAN ORDER ONLINE.

THERE IS AN APP. AND PICK IT UP THROUGH THE DRIVE-THRU IS THE MOST COMMON UTILIZATION FOR WOODGRAIN.

>> THANK YOU. >> I WILL PIGGYBACK WITH ALLEN HERE ON THE SIGNAGE. YOU SAID THEY ARE ALLOWED THREE.

DOES EACH OF THESE BUSINESSES CONSIDERED AN INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS, CORRECT? OR IS IT COUNT THE AS ONE.

>> IT'S ONE. THIS IS ONE BUILDING.

IT'S ONE OVERALL BUSINESS. THEY WOULD LIKE FOR EACH OF THEIR BRANDS TO HAVE THEIR OWN SIGNAGE.

I'M THINKING OF IT LIKE A CAR DEALERSHIP.

WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET EVERY BRAND.

>> SO IF THESE WERE INDIVIDUALLY-OWNED BUSINESSES, THEY WOULD EACH BE ABLE TO HAVE TEAR OWN SIGN.

>> IT WILL BE A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING, BUT THIS IS A SINGLE

TENANT BUILDING. >> YOU NEED DIFFERENT

CORPORATIONS. >> I WAS THINKING MORE SIGNS WOULD BE ALLOWED, BUT IT'S CONSIDERED ONE?

>> YES. >> HUH.

>> AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL, I AGREE THE SIGNAGE, WE NEED TO DRILL DOWN INTO THAT. THE ISSUE THAT KEVIN RAISED, THIS ISN'T A SINGLE -- THIS IS A SINGLE ATTEND BUILDING BUT IT'S BEEN DESIGNED AND WILL FUNCTION AS A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING.

I SEE THE ROOM FOR SOME GRACE IN TERMS OF SIGN COUNT ON THAT BASIS. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, EIGHT WALL-MOUNTED SIGNS ON ALL OUR ELEVATIONS, PLUS THE MONUMENT SIGN, DOES FEEL LIKE OVERKILL. IF THE PETITIONER CAN RATIONALIZE THAT AND GIVE US THE BUSINESS CASE FOR THAT SIGN COUNT. I'M WILLING TO LISTEN WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO THE FULL COMMISSION.

I THINK THAT THE SUSPECT AREA FOR ME IS THAT THE WEST ELEVATION, THE DRIVE-THRU WALL, WITH ALL THREE BRAND SIGNS, JUST AS LARGE OR ALMOST AS LARGE AS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION WHERE THERE IS A MUCH BETTER VISIBILITY.

THERE IS SO LITTLE TRAFFIC ON RED ROAD.

IF YOU ARE BACK THERE, YOU ARE ALREADY VISITING ONE OF THE BUSINESSES THERE. I DON'T THINK OF THE SIGN, TO ME THE FUNCTION OF THE SIGN IS NOT TO CALL PEOPLE INTO THE BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY ARE AT THE BUSINESS END OF THE ACCESS TO THIS

BUILDING. >> YEAH.

>> THE MONUMENT SIGN, ESPECIALLY THE WAY IT'S ORIENTED, AT AN ANGLE AT THE CORNER OF WETSEN POINT BOULEVARD AND MICHIGAN ROAD, THAT SEEMS TO DIMINISH FUNCTIONALITY.

IF IT WERE PURPOSE TO MICHIGAN ROAD T MIGHT HAVE SOME MERIT.

IT FEELS LIKE BELT AND SUSS PANDEMICKERS WHEN THERE IS SIGNS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL.

IT SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF SIGNAGE.

THE DEPARTMENT REPORT INCLUDED QUESTIONS ABOUT -- I THINK ON THE PLANS IT'S CALLED A MARKETING SCREEN BEHIND THE WINDOW OVER THE MAIN ENTRANCE. WALGREENS HAS DONE THIS A FEW

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I THINK WE ARE SENSITIVE TO THAT.

IT COULD BE A GOOD ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT.

BUT IF IT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT DISGEISED AS ADDITIONAL ADVERTISING, WE NEED TO TALK FURTHER HOW THAT GLASS IS GOING TO BE USED. THEN WE MENTIONED DETENTION THAT WOULD TAKE IT INTO BOONE COUNTY JURISDICTION.

DO WE KNOW HOW BOONE COUNTY OR ZIONSVILLE WHAT PROOFERLZ ARE NEEDED FOR THEM FOR THEM TO PLOY THAT RETENTION?

>> I DO NOT OVERALL BUT I KNOW THESE FOUR LOTS WERE DONE TOGETHER WITH AN OVERALL MASTER PLAN THAT WOULD GO IN TO THERE.

I IMAGINE THEY WILL BE WORKING WITH THE LANDOWNER AND THEIR ENGINEER WOULD BE DOING THAT TO MEET THOSE.

>> WHEN THIS COMES BACK, JUST AS WE WANT OUR ENGINEERING PEOPLE TO APPROVE THE PLANS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT BOONE COUNTY OR ZIONSVILLE HAS JURISDICTION TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ON BOARD.

>> YEAH. I THINK THE LOCATION -- THE FUNCTIONALITY WE'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT MAKES A GREAT DEAL OF SENSE WHEN THERE IS A KINDER CARE IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH.

SCREAMING KIDS GET OUT AT 6:00 AND GO NEXT DOOR.

GREAT SITE SELECTION. SAME THING FOR THE AUTO REPAIR BUSINESS THAT IS ONE LOT SOUTH OF KINDER CARE.

GREAT PLACE TO KILL TIME WHILE YOUR CAR SENIOR IN THE SHOP, IS TO COME TO THIS BUSINESS. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF COMPLIMENTARY REASONS WHY WE WANT TO WELCOME YOU TO CARMEL WITH OPEN ARMS. AT THE SIEM TIME SATISFY THESE DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE DEPARTMENT AND MAKE THIS AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE. ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS OR CHARGES FOR THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE AS THEY CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS? [INAUDIBLE]

>> IF YOU WOULD CARE TO NOW. OBVIOUSLY YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM IN DEPTH, AND POSSIBLY TO TWEAK YOUR PLANS BETWEEN NOW AND THE COMMITTEE MEETING DATE.

JAY, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK TONIGHT AS WELL AS.

THE COM CHARGE WE ARE FACED WITS YOU CAN TELL, IT'S A VERY UNIQUE FORMAT. IT'S TAKEN US ABOUT 12 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT. WE THINK THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S COMMERCIALLY VIABLE. THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE BUILDINGS TO BUILD. WE ARE A SMALL FAMILY-OWNED BUSINESS. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING AT THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE, A LOT OF IT IS ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT VERY LARGE INVESTMENT WE MAKE ULTIMATELY PAYS OFF.

WE CAN LOOK AT THE THREE ON BACK OF THE BUILDING IF THOSE ARE OBJECTIONABLE. IT IS SOMETHING WE CARE DEEPLY ABOUT. THE SCREEN IN THE VESTIBULE IS DESIGNED -- IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE THE PRIMARY SIGNAGE, BUT IT'S DESIGNED TO EDUCATE GUESTS WALKING IN, WHAT NEW THINGS ARE HAPPENING. IT REALLY -- IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE GLUE THAT PULLS EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE EXPERIENCE IS LIKE WALKING IN TO THIS WITHOUT ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING IT.

INITIALLY, I THINK PEOPLE SCRATCH THEIR HEAD AND FEEL DISJOINTED "WHAT IS IT?" UNTIL YOU DO IT.

THEY WALK OUT, "THAT'S PRETTY COOL, IT'S DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING THEY HAVE BEEN TO. THE PLAYGROUND WAS AN ELEMENT THAT -- THERE ARE SEVEN KIDS AS WE ARE BUILDING IT AND WE DECIDED IN THE FIRST ONE -- SECOND ONE, WE SHOULD TRY A PLAYGROUND. I GOT ALL SORTS OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM EMPLOYEES INITIALLY, WHO ARE NOW

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THE WHOLE THING IS AN EXPERIENCE, IT IS FAMILY-FOCUSED. WE WORKED WITH RACHEL AND HER TEAM, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, BECAUSE THAT IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT FOR US MAKING SURE WE ARE GLUEING THESE THROUGH BRANDS TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT OUR GUESTS CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK TOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES

SENSE. >> THAT'S HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. >> JOE, MY NAME IS ALAN.

I'M ON THE COMMITTEE YOU WILL BE COMING TO.

I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, WE TAKE EVERY ONE OF THESE PETITIONS SERIOUSLY. WE SCRUTINIZE EVERYTHING FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. IT'S NOT AS IF WE ARE PICKING ON

YOU. >> I KNOW.

>> WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. BUT WE DO GO OVER EVERY ASPECT OF THESE, OF EACH, BECAUSE THIS IS THE WAY CARMEL HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE DONE RIGHT.

I JUST WANT TO SELL YOU A LITTLE BIT.

>> IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER THIS EVENING S THERE A MOTION ON HOW WE WISH TO SEND THIS TO

COMMITTEE FOR WORK? >> I RECOMMEND SENDING IT TO THE COMMITTEE AND BRINGING IT BACK TO FULL COMMITTEE.

>> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR SENDING TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE WITH FINAL APPROVAL RESERVED TO THE FULL COMMISSION, SAY "AYE." AND OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. AS RECOMMENDED BY THE DEPARTMENT, IT THIS WILL GO TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE MEETING ON MARCH 29. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU

THEN. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, JEFF. >> THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA OF PUBLIC HEARINGS IS DOCKET PZ--2022,-00001, DPA DOES LS, CULL VENTILATORS. THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN FOR A NEW CULL VENTILATORS RESTAURANTS WITH THE DESIGNING IS B 8 BUSINESS. THE PETITION IS FILED BY BOB

GOINS OF K & J INVESTMENTS. >> I'LL ASSUME THAT'S NOT A ROMAN NUMERAL. K & J INVESTMENTS XVL, LLC.

>> XVL. >> WE'LL GO WITH THAT.

JOHN IS HERE. >> GOOD EVENING, FOR THE RECORDS, BOB WITH THE LAW FIRM OF NELSON AND FRANKENBERGER.

WE REPRESENT THE K & J INVESTMENT LLC.

BOB GOINS, DIRECTOR OF MANAGEMENT OF MEYER FOOD MANAGER. THIS APPLICANT IS SEEKING REVIEW OF AN AMENDMENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL AS ADLS TO REDEVELOP THE REAL ESTATE. THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE CULVER'S INSTRUMENT. AS NOTED, THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, THE APPLICANT ANTICIPATES CONSIDERATION OF FOUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINES IN THAT REPORT THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING AND APPEALS IN APRIL.

THEY WILL PRESENT THE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING AND PARTICIPATE PRESENTING THE VARIANCE REQUEST IN APRIL.

I CAN GO INTO THOSE IN GREATER DETAIL.

THEY ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

THE REAL ESTATE IS LOCATED AT 431 EAST CARMEL DRIVE, WHICH CONSIST OF APPROXIMATELY 1.3 ACRES.

ON DISPLAY IN THE SITE LOCATION EXHIBIT, WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED BEHIND THE GROCERIES WE PROVIDED FOR STAFF DISTRIBUTION AND THE PLAN COMMISSION. THE REAL ESTATE IS DRONED B-8 BUSINESS, THE PROPOSED USE OF RESTAURANT IS PERMITTED USE.

AS THE PLAN COMMISSION PRESIDENT IDENTIFIED THIS SITE IS NOT WITHIN OVERLAY, SO DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS SUCH AS THE PRIOR ITEM WITH REGARD TO ITALIAN ARCHITECTURE DOESN'T APPLY IN THIS SITUATION LIKE IT WOULD ON U.S. 421.

I'M SURE MOST OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PLAN COMMISSION ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS SPACE. YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN EAST CARMEL DRIVE FROM THE CREDIT YOUNG, POPEYE'S, THE TACO BELL, NATIONAL BANG, FAZIOLI'S. THERE IS A WIDE VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURE WITHIN THAT SPACE. A BUILDING OCCUPIED BY CAR WASH

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YOU CAN SEE THAT BUILDING ON THE AERIAL DISPLAY.

TO THE EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO THE REIS A FAZIOLI'S RESTAURANTS WHICH SHARES ACCESS TO AAA WAY AND CARMEL DRIVE.

THERE IS A SINGLE DRIVEWAY ACCESS ON TO CARMEL DRIVE FOR BOTH OF THESE LOTS. THEN THERE IS ALSO EXISTING DRIVEWAY EASEMENT SHARED BY THE FAZ OLI'S SITE AS WELL AS THIS SITE TO HAVE ACCESS TO AAA WAY. EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO THE FAZ OLI'S. CAN WE WIDEN THAT TO PICK UP THE EXHIBIT. THE EXHIBIT NOW ON DISPLAY IS A COLORED LANDSCAPE IS SITE PLAN. VEHICULAR ACCESS IS FROM EAST CARMEL DRIVE AND THE DRIVEWAY EASEMENT ACROSS FAZOLLI'S.

ENTERING HERE AND THEN ENTERING HERE ALONG CARMEL DRIVE.

NOT REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE, THE DRIVE-THRU AND STAFFING FOR THE DRIVE-THRU POSITIONED ALONG THE SIDE AND THE REAR OF THE DEVELOPMENT, DIRECTLY IN THIS VICINITY HERE.

THERE ARE TWO DRIVE-THRU STACKING LANES HERE.

IT THROTTLES BACK TO ONE LANE. PRIMARY CUSTOMER ENTRANCE IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING WITH PARKING EXISTING ALONG THE FRONT AND WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES TO THE REAR OF THE SITE, WHICH TYPICALLY RELEGATED TO EMPLOYEE PARKING. THOSE CLOSEST TO THE CUSTOMER ENTRANCE IS FOR CUSTOMER PARKING.

PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND CONNECTIVITY ARE PROVIDED.

YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE LIGHT GRAY SHADED SPACE IS IS A SIDEWALK TO EXTEND FROM THE BUILDING ENTRANCE ALONG THE FRONT. HERE IS A BUILDING ENTRANCE AND HERE IS A BUILDING ENTRANCE FOR ACCESS OF PEDESTRIANS FROM CARMEL DRIVE THERE. WILL BE AN OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IDENTIFIED HERE AND WE HAVE ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS TO SHOW YOU THE CHARACTER OF THAT SPACE AND THE ARCHITECTURE.

THE SITE LANDSCAPING WILL FULLY COMPLY WITH THE UDO LANDSCAPING STANDARDS ON THIS EXHIBIT. IN THIS REGARD, CAP 6 OF YOUR BROCHURES T CALLS OUT SPECIFIC TYPES AND VARIETY OF PLANTINGS.

SHOWN HERE BEHIND TAB 4 ARE BUILDING ELEVATIONS OF ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING. ILLUSTRATING THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. BUILDING MATERIALS AND OVERALL ESTHETIC OF THE BUILDING REFLECTS SUGGESTIONS FROM THE SCO STAFF. THERE IS ADDITIONAL MASONRY AND STONE PROPOSED FOR THIS BUILDING IN OTHER AREAS WHERE THERE AREN'T THE SAME TYPES OF STANDARDS.

THERE WILL BE A LOT MORE EFIS USED AND IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE PARPET WALLS WITH MASONRY AND STONE BEING THE DOMINANT EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIAL. THE BUILDING PARPET WALLS WILL SCREEN ROOF TOP MOUNTED EQUIPMENT AS WELL.

THEN AS I INDICATED, YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS WILL BE THE NORTH FACE OF THE BUILDING FACING EAST CARMEL DRIVE.

HERE IS THE OUTDOOR SEATING SPACE WRAPPED WITH A NEW WALL TO HELP CORRAL, IF YOU WILL, PERHAPS YOUNGER PATRONS WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE PARKING LOT.

NOT THAT THAT IS THE INTENT. THE INTENT WAS TO ESTABLISH A PERIMETER ALONG THE OUTSIDE OF THAT OUTDOOR SEATING SPACE.

THIS EXHIBIT IS INCLUDED BEHIND TAB 5 OF THE BROCHURES.

IN ADDITION TO THE INFORMATION I'M DISPLAYING HERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL PAGES TO SHOW YOU BUILDING PERSPECTIVES OF THE CANOPY OVER THE AREA, THE DRIVE-THRU ORDERING AREA AND THE DUMPSTER UNCLOSURE AREA. TAB 7 INCLUDES DETAILED SIGNAGE.

EVERYTHING ON THE SITE IS COUNTED TOWARDS THE ORDINANCE AND EVERYTHING THAT IS NEXT TO THE DOOR HANDLE, ENTER/EXIT, THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS. IN THIS SITUATION, WE ARE PROPOSING TWO IDENTIFICATION SIGNS.

ONE WOULD BE ON THE NORTH FACE OF THE BUILDING.

THE OTHER IDENTIFICATION SIGN IS GROUND SIGN ALONG EAST CARMEL DRIVE. IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH CULVER'S THEY TYPICALLY LIKE TO ADVERTISE THE FLAVOR OF ICE CREAM OF THE DAY. THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PROPOSAL FOR THE SIGN THAT'S ON EAST CARMEL DRIVE.

WE WOULD ADVISE BY STAFF THAT THAT TYPE OF SIGN, WHICH WAS PROPOSED AS A DIGITAL READER BOARD WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED BY

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THEREFORE, THE TYPE OF SIGN THAT WE'LL HAVE HERE WOULD BE A SIGN THAT WOULD BE MANUALLY MODIFIED TO ADVERTISE THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION. THE GROUND SIGN SHOWN THERE, IT NEEDS TO HAVE A SIZE CONSIDERED WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE ORDINANCE AND PROVIDE FOR AS AUTHORIZED UNDER THE ORDINANCE THAT CHANGEABLE COPY. IN CONCLUSION, DETAILED ENGINEERING PLANS HAVE ALSO BEEN PROVIDED, WHICH ARE INCLUDED BEHIND TAB 9 OF OR TRANGS MIDDLE-OF-IT INCLUDES LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING AND DRAINAGE TO COMPLY WITH THE UDO.

THE APPLICANT WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO NOTICE THE OUTSTANDINGS ITEMS IN THE REPORT.

IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING STAFF RECOMMENDED TO THE PLAN COMMISSION THAT THIS ITEM BE FORWARDED TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE ON MARCH 9 FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION.

AND WITH THAT, WE'LL BE GLAD TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD HAS, NOW OR AT THE CONCLUSION OF YOUR HEARING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, JON.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION? I DON'T SEE ANY.

AGAIN, I DON'T RECALL ANY LETTERS SUBMITTED FOR THIS

PETITION EITHER. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THEN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT IS NEXT.

>> THANK YOU. AS WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT, WE HAVE A THEME. A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THRU.

THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY HOME TO A CAR WASH AND THE RESTAURANT WILL BE LOCATED IN THE SAME GENERAL LOCATION AND THE DRIVE-THRU WILL FOLLOW THE SAME GENERAL FLOW AS PREVIOUSLY.

THIS RESTAURANT USE DOES REQUIRE 70 PARKING SPACES.

BUT THERE ARE ONLY ROOM FOR 46 SPACES ON THE SITE.

SO THE PETITIONER HAS FILED A VARIANCE FOR THIS ITEM.

ANOTHER VARIANCE RELATED TO THE SITE PLAN IS FOR LOT COVERAGE.

ONLY 60% IS ALLOWED IN UNDERLYING JOINING BUT 68.3 IS PROPOSED. THAT LOT COVERAGE IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY. SO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, AS IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO BEFORE.

ONE OTHER ITEM, THEY WILL HAVE BIOLBICYCLE PARKING BUT WE NEEDO WORK WITH THE LOCATION OF THAT. MAKING SURE IT'S WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE FRONT DOOR. SOP WE WILL KEEP WORKING ON THAT BETWEEN NOW AND COMMITTEE. THE BUILDING DESIGN HAS CHANGED SINCE THEY FIRST STARTED MEETING WITH THE PETITIONER.

NOW IT HAS A LOT OF BRICK AND STONE AND VERY LITTLE EFIS MATERIAL WHICH IS A STUCCO MATERIAL IT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO -- AS I MENTIONED ON THE REPORT, I WOULD LIKE KEEP WORKING ON THE DESIGN OF THIS BUILDING.

LOOKING AT THE FAUX WINDOWS IN THE BACK THAT ARE THE EFIS MATERIAL. THE AWNINGS THAT ARE OVER THOSE FAUX WINDOWS. THE USE OF STONE AS A FULL WALL ACCENT MATERIAL. AND THE CORNIS HEIGHT AROUND THE BUILDING AS WELL AS CORNICE DEALING ON THE REAR OF THE PARCEL. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK THROUGH. WE ARE GOING THROUGH REVIEWS ON PROJECT DOCS FOR LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING AND FOR SIGNAGE THEY DID REQUEST TWO SIGNS WHEN ONE SIGN WOULD BE ALLOWED.

THEY ARE SEEKING THAT VARIANCE. THAT WILL GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS ON APRIL 25. THEN THE LAST CONTINUING, JUST TO BRING UP FOR THE PETITIONER, WE DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE MENU SIGNAGE.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WOULD BRING MORE INFO ON THAT TO THE COMMITTEE. SO WE RECOMMEND THAT THIS ONE GO TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE AS WELL ON TUESDAY, MARCH 29.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, RACHEL.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:01.

THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR COMMISSIONERS.

START WITH CHRISTINE. >> SO I'M GLAD TO SEE, THIS HAS BEEN VACATE FOR YEARS. I'M GLAD TO SEE A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING. THAT'S WONDERFUL.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ENTRANCE ON CARMEL DRIVE.

THIS IS VERY CONFUSING AS IT IT'S BEEN MANAGEABLE BECAUSE THE SPACE HAS BEEN VACATE FOR SOME YEARS.

THAT PULLING IN, THAT SHARED DRIVEWAY, BASICALLY TO GO TO FAZOLLI'S AND TO GO TO THIS RESTAURANT, I'M WONDERING IF

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IS. >> IT WILL BE STRIPED.

WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED A CHANGE IN ELEVATION.

WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. >> OKAY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE. I THINK THAT ENTRANCE FROM CARMEL DRIVE IS A BIT CONFUSING RIGHT NOW ANYWAY.

SO, IT JUST REALLY NEEDS TO BE MARKED WELL.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO TO INCREASE THE BARRIER. RIGHT NOW IT'S A FLAT PIECE OF

CONCRETE. >> WE WILL TALK TO ENGINEER BEING HOW THAT COULD BE ADJUSTED.

>> THANK YOU. >> WE CAN RETURN BACK AND SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE COMMITTEE.

>> THAT WILL BE GREAT. LOOK AT THAT SIDEWALK.

PEOPLE ARE TURNING IN QUICKLY JUAN MAKE A SHARP TURN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY SEE PEDESTRIANS ON THAT WALK.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

>> JON, I'M GLAD TO SEE THEY ARE COMING HERE.

BUT I HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO THE DRIVE-THRU.

WALK US THROUGH. EVERY CULVER'S I HAVE EVER BEEN TO HAS HAD AN OVERFLOW OF TRAFFIC.

THE CARS OVERFLOW OFF OF THEIR LOT ON TO THE ADJACENT AREAS.

I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOUR REQUESTING 46 PARKING SPACES AND THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES 70.

CAN YOU SHOW ME WHEN SOMEONE -- IF AN INDIVIDUAL, WHEN THEY GO TO THIS RESTAURANT, WHAT THE PROCEDURE WILL BE WHEN THEY USE THE DRIVE-THRU. BECAUSE I'VE SEEN A SITUATION WHERE THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE WAITING TO GET IN THE DRIVE-THRU, THAT TRAFFIC SPILLED OVER TO THE ENTRYWAY OF THE CENTER IN WHICH THEY WERE LOCATED.

SO PEOPLE STARTED PARKING IN THE LIMITED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WERE AVAILABLE. IT WAS NOT A GOOD SITUATION.

COULD YOU PLEASE POINT OUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW, HOW THE FLOW IS

SUPPOSED TO WORK HERE? >> I WILL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE DONE HERE AND I'LL COME BACK AFTERWARDS AND TOUCH ON THAT PARKING COUNT.

IN THE SITUATION HERE, THEY HAVE THE DRIVE-THRU THAT WOULD BEGIN IN THIS SPACE. THEN OPEN UP INTO TWO LANES.

WHEN IT OPENS UP INTO TWO LANES THAT'S TO ACCOMMODATE MORE STAFFING AT THE POINT OF ORDER, WHICH WILL ALLOW THEM MORE TIME TO PREPARE THE ORDERS WHEN THE CAR GETS THERE.

SO THEY ARE MORE EFFICIENT IN THE DRIVE-THRU WHICH TURNS PEOPLE THROUGH FASTER, WHICH ELIMINATES OR SEEKS TO ADDRESS THAT -- MICTS THE FACT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PARKING IN THAT SPACE. THROUGH THIS SEGMENT, IT'S SINGLE LANE. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO STACK VEHICLES AND HAVE CARS DRIVE AROUND IT AFTER THE POINT OF THE WINDOW. IF YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR YOUR ORDER, THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM TO PARK FIVE TO SIX VEHICLES OUTSIDE THE TRAVEL LANE SO IT DOESN'T KEEP SOMEBODY FROM EXITIN THE PROPERTY AFTER THEY MAY HAVE RECEIVED THEIR ORDER.

YOU HAVE POST WINDOW PARKING, IF YOU WILL, OR STACKING AFTER THE ORDER WINDOW. THE SINGLE LANE HERE THAT APPROACH THE POINT OF SALE. THEN IT DOUBLES BACK UP HERE WHICH ACCOMMODATES MORE STAFFING WITHIN THIS SPACE.

ALL TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING, THAT THEY ARE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF VOLUME WITHIN THEIR DRIVE-THRU. WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, THIS -- CARMEL'S ORDINANCE IS PRED INDICATED OF PARKING ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. THIS IS A LOCATION WHERE THEY HAVE A LOT OF PATRONS PER TICKET.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER TODAY.

TYPICALLY FAMILIES COME HERE IN THE EVENING AFTER DINNER.

DINNER TIME. THEY HAVE FOUR OR FIVE, SIX PEOPLE ON THEIR TICKET. THEY WANT TO HAVE SEATING AVAILABLE FOR ALL OF THOSE PATRONS IN THE DINING ROOM.

THEREFORE, THEIR TABLE TOPS ARE FOUR TO EIGHT PERSONS PER TABLE.

NOT TYPICALLY THE TWO TWO TO FOUR SITUATION AT A TYPICAL FAST FOOD SITUATION. THAT EXPANDS THE DINING AREA, WHICH EXPANDS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES REQUIRED, WHEN IT DOESN'T EXPAND THE NUMBER OF CARS COMING TO THE FACILITY BECAUSE YOU HAVE FIVE OR SIX PATRONS IN EACH VEHICLE.

I HOPE THAT HELPED ADDRESS THE PARKING CONCERN.

WE TALKED THROUGH THAT WITH STAFF.

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I HAVE AN EXHIBIT. I MENTIONED THIS IN TABLE 5.

THIS EXHIBIT UP TOP SHOACHES THE CANOPY OVER THE DRIVE-THRU WHERE THEY ARE TAKING ORDERS. THERE ARE TWO LANES FOR THAT POINT OF SALE ORDER. THEN YOU THROTTLE BACK DOWN INTO ONE LANE TO THE POINT OF SALE WHERE THE WINDOW IS AND THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PULL AHEAD AND WAIT FOR YOUR ORDER IF NECESSARY OR EXIT THE WINDOW AT THAT LOCATION.

THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING SOUTH RIGHT HERE WOULD BE WITH THE DRIVE UP TO THE BUILDING. THIS IS THAT CANOPY THAT COVERS THE TWO LANES THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND STACKING AVAILABLE BEHIND

EACH OF THOSE TWO LANES. >> SO LET ME GO BACK AGAIN TO IT'S DRIVE-THRU PART. SHOW ME WHERE CARMEL DRIVE -- I ASSUME THEY TURN IN OFF CARMEL DRIVE.

THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE DRIVE-THRU BY TAKING A SHORT

CUT THROUGH FAZOLLI'S. >> IF YOU COME THROUGH THE DRIVE ACCESS LANE AT FAZOLLI'S, YOU WOULD NEED TO TURN AND HEAD NORTH AND COME AROUND THE BUILDING TO ACCESS THE DRIVE-THRU. YOU WOULDN'T HEAD SOUTH.

THIS IS ONE WAY HEADING NORTH. >> THAT ENTRANCE TO FAZOLLI'S IS

AN INGRESS AND EGRESS BOTH. >> IT IS.

TWO-WAY TRAFFIC THROUGH THE FAZOLLI'S' SITE, ENTERING AND ALLOWING PATRONS TO GO BOTH WAYS.

>> THEY HAVE TO GO CLEAR AROUND THE BUILDING AND GET IN LINE WITH EVERYBODY THAT ENTERED OFF CARMEL DRIVE.

>> IF YOU WERE TO WANT TO EXIT OFF AAA WAY, YOU COME BACK AROUND THE BUILDING. AGAIN, THIS IS A BIT DECEPTIVE.

THERE IS TRAVEL LANES -- WILL IS MORE THAN ONE TRAVEL LANE.

YOU HAVE PARKING AND THEN ROOM FOR TWO LANES HEADING SOUTH.

HERE. THEN YOU DON'T ENTER THE DRIVE-THRU AND THEN YOU COME WHERE YOU ARE NOT IMPEDED BY ANYBODY IN THE DRIVE-THRU, TO EXIT BACK OUT TO GO TO AAA.

>> THAT I UNDERSTANDS. I MEANT IF SOMEBODY WANT THOD GO THROUGH THE DRIVE-THRU OR ACCESS A PARKING SPACE, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY PROBLEM DOING IT THROUGH THE FAZOLLI'S CUT-THROUGH,

WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IT. >> NO, SIR.

>> JON, WOULD YOU SHOW THAT ON TAB 6, PLEASE? THAT SHOWS THE CIRCULATION A LITTLE BETTER WITH THE PARKING STRIPES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN ON THAT EXHIBIT.

THAT'S THE LANDSCAPE. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

THIS WILL SHOW YOU THE DIRECTIONAL TRAFFIC AND THE PARKING SPACES A LITTLE BETTER. YOU CAN SEE HERE THE ANGLED PARKING HERE, THE TRAFFIC ARROWS.

THE DIRECTIONAL TRAFFIC. THEN THE TWO --

>> WE'LL PUT THIS ON A LARGER EXHIBIT AND BRING MULTIPLE

COPIES TO THE COMMISSION. >> ALAN, YOU HAD MY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. I THINK THIS WILL BE A VERY BUSY PLACE. I THINK THIS IS VERY TIGHT WHAT YOU ARE DOING. I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.

HOW MANY CAN SIT INSIDE THE BUILDING?

>> WE'LL GET YOU A SOLID NUMBER. >> YOU HAVE 47 PARKING SPACES.

LOT OF PEOPLE COME IN -- I DON'T KNOW IF MORE PEOPLE GO TO CULL CULVER'S TO DRIVE-THRU. I SEE THE PEOPLE COMING OFF THE AAA ENTRANCE AND GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND.

I THINK WHERE THE DRIVE-THRU IS GOING TO BE CROWDED AND CONFUSING. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS WHERE DO PEOPLE PARK IF THEY ARE WAITING ON THEIR FOOD, WHICH YOU ANSWERED. IT'S SEEMS TIGHT.

>> I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO, WE CAN TAKE THE SITE PLAN AND SUPERIMPOSE THE VEHICLES QUEUED AND FOR THOSE POST-TRANSACTION IN THAT SPACE OUTSIDE THE TRAVEL LANE AS WELL AS THOSE QUEUING UP TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW MANY VEHICLES QUEUE AND GET ACCESS TO

PARKING. >> IT WILL BE BUSY.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> IT'S A NIGHTMARE JUST PULLING

IN. >> IF IT HELPS MITIGATE SOME OF THAT CONCERN, CULVER'S IS BUILDING 146 AND GRAY.

HOPEFULLY THAT WILL TAKE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC OFF OF THIS LOCATION. THEY ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW

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>> THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T THINK THIS WILL MAKE ME RECUSE MYSELF, WHEN MY WIFE FOUND OUT THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA, SHE TOLD ME I BETTER GET THIS DONE BECAUSE IT FELL APART -- IT WAS COMING AND DIDN'T COME AND NOW IT'S BACK TO US. I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING MORE VARIETY ON CARMEL DRIVE. LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU COME

IN. >> MAY I ASK AN ESTHETIC

QUESTION? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> THE AWNINGS THAT ARE OVER SOMETHING OTHER THAN A WINDOW? ARE THEY THERE FOR BRANDING PURPOSES, SO YOU HAVE CONSISTENT

AWNINGS AROUND THE BUILDING? >> THEY ARE AS A DESIGN FEATURE.

THE ANSWER IS YES. STAFF ASKED US TO CONSIDER MAKING THOSE FAUX WINDOWS SO, JUST LIKE SOMETHING AT LOCATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WHERE YOU HAVE AN AWNING OVER A WINDOW, EVEN IF IT'S NOT VISION GLASS. OR REMOVAL OF THOSE THAT ARE NOT ADJACENT TO ACTUALLY WINDOWS. WE ARE TAKING THOSE TWO ITEMS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED IN CONSIDERATION.

>> I OFFER ANOTHER IDEA. THAT IS WITH CARMEL BEING AN ARTS MECCA, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME SORT AFTER CONTEST AND HAVE ARTWORK ON EACH O ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS, SOMETHING INDICATING CARMEL. A CONTEST MAYBE FOR A GRAND OPENING, ANNOUNCING THE WINNER OF THE WINDOWS.

A THOUGHT. >> THANK YOU.

I WILL ABSOLUTELY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

I SAW SOME EYEBROWS PIQUE OVER TO THE LEFT, THE STAFF AND TYPICALLY THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU DESCRIBED IT IN A PREVIOUS PETITION THERE. WITH WAS A SCREEN OR MURAL TYPE OF -- BUT THAT WAS A SITUATION THEY ARE PROJECTING A MESSAGE.

HERE YOU ARE SUGGESTING AN ITEM IN THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN'T COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT ADDRESSES YOUR SUGGESTION.

>> JON, NOT TO BEAT TOO MUCH ON THESE AWNINGS.

IS THIS DESIGN THE NEW CULVER'S BRAND STANDARD?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> BECAUSE THEY ARE BIG. THEY ARE BIGGER THAN THE CULVER'S ON MICHIGAN ROAD. THAT BLUE REALLY DOES STAND OUT.

IT REMINDS ME OF -- THERE IS A BANK ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WASHINGTON STREET AND MARION STREEP IN DOWNTOWN YPSILANTI.

THE BUILDING THAT VERONICA WAS HERE EARLIER WORKS IN.

THEY HAVE AWNINGS ON EVERY SINGLE WINDOW ALONG THEIR EMERGING STREET AND WASHINGTON STREET ELEVATIONS.

THEY ARE BRANDED. THE NAME OF THE BANK ON EVERY ONE. IT'S WAY TOO MUCH.

HERE, I'M CONCERNED IT'S A LITTLE HEAVY BECAUSE THE SIZE OF THE AWNINGS HAS GROWN FROM THE MIROAD STORE.

WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMISSION, THAT MAYBE THE BIGGEST POINT OF CONTENTION, AS WELL AS ADEQUATE TRAFFIC FLOW.

YOU DID SAY EARLIER, NOT TO CORRECT YOU, THIS RUNS TO YOUR CLIENTS' ADVANTAGE, I THINK. YOU SAID THERE WERE FIVE ORDER WAITING SPACES. THERE IS A PLAN BACK BEHIND TAP 7, I -- TAB 7 THAT SHOWS FOUR ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND FOUR ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.

PROVIDING EIGHT SPACES FOR CARS TO WAIT FOR ORDERS TO BE BROUGHT OUT TO THEM. IN ADDITION TO THE THREE CURBSIDE PICKUP SPOTS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.

THAT MAY HELP. TO WRAP UP AND BRING IT HOME, CHRISTINE'S ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT THAT CURB CUT, I THINK THE DIVIDER NOW BETWEEN THE TWO LANES IS JUST MAYBE A 6-INCH BUMP, CONCRETE BUMP WITH A ROLLED CURB.

THERE IS LITTLE INCENTIVE FOR CARS TO DRIVE RIGHT OVER.

IT CERTAINLY I'LL DEFER TO WHAT ENGINEERING SAYS.

I THINK AN IDEAL SOLUTION COULD BE TWO LANES IN AND TWO LANES OUT ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT RAISED CURB.

SO THAT YOU DON'T -- YOU HAVE REDUCED PROBLEM OF -- RIGHT NOW YOU COULD HAVE TWO CARS WAITING TO TURN LEFT.

OUT OF THESE JOINT SITES. AND GO OUT AT THE SAME TIME.

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>> YES, SIR AND YOU GUYS FACTORING THAT IN.

>> IF THERE IS NO OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS PETITION, IS THERE A MOTION ON HOW WE WISH TO SEND THIS OFF TO COMMITTEE?

>> I RECOMMEND THAT WE SEND TO COMMITTEE AND BRING IT BACK HERE

FOR FINAL APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR OF SENDING TO COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE BEGINNING ON TUESDAY, MARCH 29, TO RETURN TO THE FULL COMMISSION FOR FINAL ACTION, SAY "AYE." ANY OPPOSED? THAT IS WHAT WE WILL DO. THANK YOU, JON.

OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING, THERE ARE TWO DOCKETS THAT WE WILL CONSIDER TOGETHER BECAUSE THIS IS A COMBO DOCKET.

THEY ARE PZ-2022-00009, DPADLS, MEDVET CARMEL ANIMAL HOSPITAL ADDITION AND ZONING WAIVER, 100 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE, 97 ARE PROPOSED. THAT IS A 4% REDUCTION, UP TO 35% REDUCTION MAY BE REQUESTED. THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN DESIGN APPROVAL FOR A 15,100 ACCENTUATE FOOT BUILDING ADDITION AND 56 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES AT 9650 MAY FLOWER PARK DRIVE. THE ZONING IS I.-1 BUSINESS.

FILED BY JOE KYLE OF M&A ARCHITECTS ON BEHALF OF OWNER.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR UP TO THE NEXT 15 MINUTES.

>> I AMGEN FER, I'M WITH THE OWNER MEDVET.

I'M SR. REAL ESTATE PROJECT MANAGER.

MEDVET IS 30 PLUS HOSPITALLED ACROSS THE U.S.

WE ARE GROWING CONSTANTLY. SOME ITEMS THAT ARE MEDVET INDIANAPOLIS LOCATION OFFERS FOR CLINICAL PROCEDURES AS CARDIOLOGY, DENT ACTIVITIRY AND ORAL SURGERY, INTERNAL MEDICINE, MEDICAL ONCOLOGY IS THE FUTURE. AND OUR SURGERY TEAM.

WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW WITH NEUROLOGY AS WELL.

THIS EXPANSION WILL ALLOW US TO NOT ONLY GROW, BUT ALSO BETTER SERVE OUR CLIENTS AND OUR REFERRAL PARTNERS.

OUR REFERRAL PARTNERS, THE FAMILY HOME VET WILL REFER YOU TO MEDVET FOR SPECIALTY NEEDS, LIKE AN ER.

YOU CAN BRING YOUR PETS TO MEDVET IF THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY. WE ARE 24/7, 365.

WE ARE LOCATED AT 9650 MAY FLOWER PARK DRIVER IN THE MAY FLOWER PARK INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING, CHRIS FLEMING WITH ENGINEERING, THE ENGINEER OF THE PROJECT. QUICKLY THROUGH, AS MENTIONED THIS IS ZONED I-1. THIS IS A VETERINARY HOSPITAL USE W OR WITHOUT COMMERCIAL KENNEL PERMITTED.

IT'S ACCEPTABLE USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.

AT THIS TIME, WHAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WE ARE MEETING ALL OF THE SETBACKS, MINIMUM SETBACKS REQUIRED, ALSO UNDER THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE AND THE MAXIMUM BUILDING CODE.

>> I'M JOE KYLE WITH M&A. I'LL TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE TAKING AN EXISTING FACILITY OF APPROXIMATELY 15,000 SQUARE FEET. COMING OFF THE BACK OF THE BUILDING HERE AND ADDING ABOUT ANOTHER 15,000 SQUARE FEET OFF THIS SIDE, TO THE -- I GUESS IT'S TO THE WEST HERE.

WHAT YOU WILL SEE, HEAR ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU WILL HAVE A SMALL ABOUT 20 FEET ON THE SIDE AND WRAP IT AROUND THE ENCOMPASSING CASSETTE. THE MATERIALS ON THIS ARE MASONRY BOCK AND EFIS AND MASONRY BLOCK ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ADDITION. WE ARE BRINGING THAT UP TO A 10-FOOT HEIGHT AND THEN GO TO AN EFIS, THEN A PARPET WITH A

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WITH THIS BEING THE MAIN ENTRY HERE, YOU WILL SEE WE HAVE A BIT OF STONE BUT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO COME TO THE MAIN ENTRY POINT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN. WE WILL TAKE OFF THIS PORTION OF THE ROOF THAT COMES UP TO THE SIDE HERE.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN, WE WILL BRING A SHINGLE ROOF IN TO MEET THE BUILDING. I'D SAY IT'S ABOUT 30 FEET FROM THE TOP OF THE ROOF TOP, THE PARAPET WOULD ENCOMPASS THE ROOF TOP UNITS. WE ENDED UP OVERLAYING WHERE THE ADDITION IS HERE AND ADDRESSING THE FAPGHT THAT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BEHIND THE BUILDING TO THE MOST POINT.

THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THE BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE.

HERE IS THE EXISTING PLAN ELEVATION.

YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE THE ROOF TOP SCREEN AT THE TOP.

THIS IS WHERE WE ENCAPSULATE THE CASSETTE.

THIS IS MASONRY BLOCK TO MATCH THE EXISTING.

EFIS ON TOP IT WILL MATCH THE SAME COLOR.

THEN WE CREATE A BIT OF A GRADE, EMULATING BUT NOT REPLICATING THE ASPHALT ROOF HERE. HERE TO THE NORTHEAST IS ANOTHER VERSION OF IT. YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE BROKEN IT UP WITH SOME WINDOWS. THIS WILL BE A WINDOW, WHICH IS A DARK BRONZE. IT WILL MATCH THE EXISTING HERE WHERE WE HAVE THE EXISTING DARK BRONZE.

A FEW PUNCHED OPENINGS, WHEN WE CAN.

WE ARE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH LIGHT AT THE REQUEST OF THE OWNERS. WE ARE TRYING TO WORK IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO GET NATURAL LIGHTING IN THERE.

THAT ARE SOME THINGS YOU CAN INTRODUCE HERE.

OFF TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE WE GAVE RELIEF BY BRING IG THE SPLIT-FACED MASONRY UP TO BREAK UP THE BUILDING SO IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE ONE LARGE MASS AS YOU COME ACROSS.

THIS IS NOT LONGER HERE. NEITHER ONE OF THOSE.

THOSE WILL BE -- I THINK WE TALKED THROUGH WHAT THE BUILDING IS LOOKING LIKE HERE. DO YOU WANT TO --

[INAUDIBLE] >> SITE PLAN, ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, IS EXISTING PARKING. THIS HERE AND THEN EXPANDING THE PARKING TO THE EAST. A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTHEAST AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

THE DOCUMENTS WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 15,200 SQUARE FEET, THE BUILDING EXPANSION IS SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THAT.

THE EXISTING PARKING IS AROUND 40.

WE WILL PUT IN ABOUT 56 NEW SPACES.

THAT GETS US TO 97 TOTAL SPACES WHICH IS UNDER WHAT IS REQUIRED BY ZONING. IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE EVEN WITH THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT WAS HERE.

IN ORDER TO ADDRESS IT MEDVET HAS SOUGHT SERVICES ACROSS THE STREET AND THEY HAVE A PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

THEY HAVE 40 SPACES LEASED NOW. THAT LEASE AGREEMENT WILL CONTINUE INTO THE FUTURE TO MAKE UP FOR THE DIFFERENCE.

400 REQUIRED BY ZONING. IN ORDER TO MAKE THAW, WE HAVE 40 SPACES. WE SHOULD FEEL LIKE WE HAVE PLENTY WITH THE NEW PLAN. WE ARE PROVIDING AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY, WE ARE PROVIDING A BIKE MULTI-USE PATH ALONG THE FRONTAGES FOR THE FUTURE AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND MAINTAINING THE EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WHICH IS HERE NOW, WHICH IS A WET RETENTION BASIN, WHICH WILL PICK UP THE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF FROM THE PARKING LOT BEFORE RELEASING LIKE IT DOES TODAY.

>> WHAT WE PLAN TO DO WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE AS MUCH AS WE COULD TO CREATE A VARIETY AND COLOR AND VARIETY OF SPECIES. WE ARE ALSO SHIELDING THE PARKING AS WELL. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT WE ARE DOING. WE ARE SETTING BACK FROM THE EASEMENTS AS MUCH AS WE CAN. YOU CAN SEE THE DECIDUOUS TREES AND THE SHRUBS IN BETWEEN. WE ARE SCREENING ACROSS ANY EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE, THE GENERATORS, THE MED GAS AND THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, WE'LL SCREEN THAT AS WELL.

WE ARE ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDSCAPING WITH BUSHES HERE.

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WE ARE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL GROUNDCOVER IN THIS CARRY WITH SOME BUSHES AS WELL. BUT WE ARE LINING TO THE BEST THAT WE CAN IN BETWEEN THE POND AND OUR EASEMENTS AND CON DENSING THE SPACE BUT STILL TRYING TO ALLOW AS MUCH PLANT MATERIAL AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

WE ARE SCREENING AS MUCH AS THE PARKING AND WHEN WE CAN WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE EXISTING TREES ALONG THE BUILDING AND PROTECTING THEM, WE HAVE PROTECTION IN PLACE.

THAT BEGINS TO GO. WE HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT COMES ALONG THE 96, THAT ENTRY AND MEETS AS IT TRANSCENDS INTO THE ENTRY POSITION HERE, WHERE YOU WILL BEGIN TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING. WE HAVE A PATH HERE.

WE ALSO HAVE A PATH ALONG THIS SIDE HERE THAT CAKES UP UP AND INTO THIS ENTRY POINT. YOU ARE FOCUSED INTO THE MAIN CENTRAL POINT. JUST TALKING THROUGH THE SPACE.

AS YOU CAN IN, YOU ARE GREETED AT THE VESTIBULE AND HAVE A WAITING SPACE. THEN YOU HAVE THE EXAMINATION PERIOD AND THEN THE ER TRIAGE AND A COUPLE OF SHELF SPACES FOR FUTURE WORK AS WE GET INTO IT -- YOU CAN SEE HERE OFF TO THE SIDES WE HAVE WARDS AND ICU. WHAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE PET RELIEF TO THE SIDE WHICH IS INDICATED. THIS IS A FENCED ZONE AREA.

THEN ISOLATION, WE HAV ANOTHER PET RELIEF ENCLOSED HERE OFF THE SIDE. THIS IS OFF AWAY FROM THE BUILDING. HERE IS 96.

HERE IS MAYFLOWER. AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR THOSE TWO AREAS. AGAIN, ON THE SECOND FLOOR HERE IS WHERE WE HAVE PROCESSING AND OR.

THE OR -- AND THEN WE HAVE DENTISTRY TO THE BACK.

WHEN WE CAN, WE WILL TRY TO CLEAR AS MUCH ENTRY AS WE CAN.

TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW HOW WE BEGIN TO USE THIS SPACE.

HERE WE HAVE OUR ENCLOSURES. THIS IS JUST ALUMINUM DARK BRONZE PICKET FENCE FOR THE GENERATOR AND MED GAS IN THE BACK. HERE I ROOF PLAN.

YOU ARE BEGINNING TO SEE WHERE THE EXISTING ROOFTOPS ARE HERE AND HERE. THOSE ROOFTOPS, SOME OF THEM WILL BE REPLACED. SOME OF THEM WILL BE NEW.

THEY WILL BE BACK IN THE EXACT LOCATIONS.

HERE WHAT WE HAVE IS THE SECOND FLOOR.

THIS IS EXISTING AGAIN. MAINTAINING THOSE ROOFTOPS WHEN WE CAN. SOME OF THEM REPLACED, AND SOME OF THEM ARE NEW. THIS IS A NEW ONE IN THE BACK THAT HARASS THE SCREENING IN THE BACK PORTION OF THE BUILDING.

THAT HAS THE SCREENING IN THE BACK PORTION OF THE BUILDING.

WE HAVE ELEVATED THE WINDOWS AND INTRODUCING BREAKING POINTS HERE. ON HERE AS WELL ON THE NORTHEAST SIDES TO GIVE A BIT OF RELIEF TO THE FAÇADE.

WE ARE MATCHING AGAIN THE MASONRY BLOCK AND CARRYING IT UP AND DELINEATE FOR THE TWO BUILDINGS.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

YOU CAN SEE WE ARE NOT TOUCHING MUCH OF THE BUILDING AT ALL.

ADDING A DOOR HERE AND HERE WE ARE INFILLING THIS SPACE.

WE WILL DO THAT WITH LIKE MATERIALS.

HERE WE'LL PUT A NEW ENTRY DOOR AS WELL.

YOU BEGIN TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING.

RACHEL BROUGHT THIS UP. I WANT TOE SHOW YOU WHERE WE -- I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE BASICALLY HAVE -- SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS BROUGHT UP ABOUT OUR PHOTO MECH METRIC FOR THE LT POLES. YOU CAN BEGIN TO SEE WE BROUGHT IT ALL BACK. WE ARE BELOW THE 3-FOOT ON THOSE LOCATIONS. THIS IS WHERE THE PLAN IS.

THAT'S WHY THEY ARE ZEROS. THIS IS THE D SERIES LIGHT FIXTURE, DARK BRONZE ON A LIGHT POLE.

HERE IS THE BUILDING FIXTURE AS WELL.

I HAVE TWO MINUTES. DO YOU WANT ME TO KEEP GOING, OR CAN I STOP? ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION.

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>> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE HERE WISHES TO SPEAK.

I KNOW THE MAIL IS SLOW THESE DAYS.

DEPARTMENT REPORT? >> THANK YOU.

AS WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT, THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN ADDITION ON TO AN EXISTING VETERINARY HOSPITAL.

THIS PROPOSED PROJECT MEETS ALL UDO REQUIREMENTS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT IS THAT THEY ARE SHORT SO FEW, THEY ARE ABLE TO ASK THE PLAN COMMISSION FOR A WAIVER.

YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REDUCE QUANTIFIABLE AMOUNTS UP TO 35%.

THIS IS A 4% REDUCTION. THEN IT'S ALSO GOOD TO KNOW ABOUT SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT ACROSS THE STREET THAT IS GOOD.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PARKING WAIVER.

THE BUILDING ADDITION, TOGETHER WITH THE NEW PARKING SPACES WILL ONLY PUT THE SITE AT 35.4% LOT COVERAGE.

THE I-1 ALLOWS UP TO 90% LOT COVERAGE.

THE UNIQUE PART ABOUT THIS SITE, IT HAS A VERY LARGE POND.

THAT IS PART OF THE OVERALL MAYFLOWER PARK DRAINAGE SYSTEM.

IT DOES TAKE IN A LOT OF THE AREA.

THEY WILL BE INSTALLING THE ASPHALT PATH ALONG THE FRODGEZ AND SIDEWALKS LEADING TO THE FRONT DOORS.

THE BIKE RACKS WILL BE INCLUDED.

THE BUILDING DESIGN MATCH THE EXHIBITING BUILDING WILL TONE AT THE BASE AND EFIS MATERIAL AT THE TOP.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE PICTURES, THE EFFACE HAS LIKE A DIAMOND PATTERN IN PARTS OF IT.

IT HAS DETAILING AND IT'S A LITTLE MORE DECORATIVE, THE EFIS UP THERE. IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT I ONLY HAD TWO THINGS THAT WERE OUTSTANDING.

THAT WAS THE LIGHTING PLAN. NEEDING TO MEET THE 0.3-FOOT CANDLES AT THE PROPERTY LINE. THEY HAVE ADJUSTED THE PLAN AS WE SAW TONIGHT. I SAW PREVIOUSLY.

THAT ITEM HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

THE OTHER ITEM THAT I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WAS THE EXISTING SIGNAGE ON THE SITE AND IF IT WOULD BE MOVED OR RELOCATED OR CHANGED IN ANY WAY. THE ANSWER TO THAT WAS NO.

>> IT WILL BE EXITING. IT WAS IN THE ACCESS PATH.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. I APOLOGIZE.

WE CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE. WE'LL KEEP IT AS IS SO IT'S BEEN THE EASEMENT. IT WILL BE THE SAME WALL.

WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. >> I STAND CORRECTED.

>> I APOLOGIZE. >> BOTTOM LINE THE SIGNAGE IS STAYING THE SAME. NO NEW SIGNAGE.

THE CURRENT SIGNAGE COMPRISED WITH THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.

SO I HAVE NO OTHER OUTSTANDING ITEMS ON THIS PROJECT.

I WOULD NOW RECOMMEND THAT YOU VOTE TO SUSPEND YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE AND VOTE TO APPROVE THE ITEM TONIGHT RATHER THAN SENDING IT TO COMMITTEE. THANK YOU.

>> MR. PRESIDENT? >> THANK YOU, RACHEL.

>> A COUPLE OF THINGS. NOT PUSHING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

THESE ARE NMPTIONAL QUESTIONS RESPECT THESE PATHS EVER GOING TO GO ANYWAY? WOULD THIS BE A GOOD TIME FOR

DONATION? >> WE COULD DO A DONATION.

I WAS KIND OF GOING THROUGH ALL THE PROJECTS WE'VE HAD ALONG THIS ROAD. IT'S KIND OF ADDING UP NOW.

>> OUR PATHS GOING IN, I'M SAYING.

>> WE KEEP ASKING FOR DONATIONS AND THEY COULD BE GOING IN BY ALL THE PROJECTS WE'VE HAD. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THIS

PATH IN AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. >> MY QUESTION, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, WOULD BE WOULD IT NOT -- IF WE THINK WE MIGHT EVENTUALLY PUT THESE IN WITH THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN DONATED, WOULDN'T WE DO THAT WAS ONE PROJECT?

>> YES, WE COULD. >> IF THAT WERE THE CASE I WOULD RATHER SEE A DONATION IN THAT'S THE POINT.

IT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THEM.

IF WE HAVE DONE IT EVERYWHERE ELSE --

>> IS MAYFLOWER DRIVE A PRIVATE STREET?

>> IT IS A PRIVATE STREET. >> I'M NOT PUSHING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. SOMETIMES IT IS LESS EXPENSIVE

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PROJECT. >> THAT IS A CORRECT STATEMENT.

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE ALLOW THEM TO PUT IT IN AS

REQUIRED NOW. >> I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY.

THAT'S FINE. ANOTHER ONE IS NOBODY WILL BRING THEIR DOG ON A BIKE. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S FOR THE EMPLOYEES, THE BIKE PARKING. THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, DO YOU NEED THAT MANY PARKING SPACES?

DO PEOPLE COME AND HANG OUT? >> WE DO HAVE A --

>> LESS ASPHALT IS BETTER. THERE IS NOT A GATHERING AREA.

WE HAVE A FIRST SHIFT OF ABOUT 90 PEOPLE --

>> HOW MANY? >> ABOUT 90 PEOPLE.

>> 90? YOU NEED THEM.

SO THE ANSWER -- OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE COUNT.

>> THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE. I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT.

>> IT IS. >> THEN THOSE ARE ALL DONE.

THANK YOU. >> ALAN.

>> REAL QUICK. THE ENCLOSURES YOU TALKED ABOUT.

>> YES, SIR. >> EXCUSE ME.

I'M ASSUMING THOSE ARE THE NO. 9 AREAS WITH THE METAL PICKET FENCES. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING

ABOUT. >> ALUMINUM METAL PICKET FENCE.

WE ENCLOSE THE PET RELIEF AREAS. THERE ARE STILL POINTS SOMEWHAT

OUT THAT WE NEED TO ENCLOSE. >> I LOOKED AT THAT.

I WONDERED, BECAUSE IT DON'T LOOK LIKE I WOULD THINK OF WOULD

BE TYPICAL PET ENCLOSURES. >> AT THE BOTTOM, THE PICTURES ARE CLOSER TOGETHER. AT THE TOP THEY ARE MORE SPREAD APART. IT'S LIKE 2-INCHES SEPARATING

BETWEEN EACH PICKET. >> BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR.

>> IT STILL LETS IN AIR AND IS VISUAL AS YOU CAN, BUT WE WANT

TO ENCLOSE THE SPACE. >> OKAY.

I THINK IT DOES, BUT I CAN'T TELL FOR CERNAN SHEET C .1, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. THERE IS CONCRETE SIDEWALK UP AGAINST THE BUILDING, TO THE SOUTH OF -- I CALL IT THE MAIN

ENTRYWAY. >> TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE?

>> TO THE RIGHT AND UP A LITTLE BIT.

>> RIGHT THERE. >> THAT LITTLE "L" THERE.

THIS WILL EXTEND TO THE DOOR. >> WHAT THAT DOES, YOU DON'T WANT TO PARADE THROUGH THE WHOLE FACILITY AND WE ARE TRYING TO BE

RESPECTFUL OF THEIR CLIENTS. >> THE DOOR WASN'T SHOWN THERE AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT EXTENDED TO THAT BRIEF EXIT, SO TO SPEAK.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT IF WE CHOOSE TO

HEED IT. >> SO MOVED.

SUSPEND THE RULES AND PROCEED THIS EVENING.

>> SECOND FROM MR. POTASNIK. IT'S MOVED AND SUSPENDED THAT WE VOTE ON THIS PETITION THIS EVENING.

ALL IN FAVOR OF SUSPENDING OUR RULES SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THAT DID REQUIRE TWO-THIRDS OF THE COMMISSION. WE BARELY HAVE THAT TONIGHT.

THE RULES ARE SUSPENDED. >> MR. PRESIDENT.

I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE DOCKET PZ-.2022 -- MEDVET CARMEL ANIMAL HOSPITAL ADDITION AND -- DID CAN I DO THEM TOGETHER? I WOULD ASK THAT WE APPROVE THE

4% REDUCTION FOR THE WAIVER. >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU, CHRISTINE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY "AYE." ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. THE DEVELOPED PLAN AND THE ZONE

WAIVER ARE APPROVED. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, GOOD LUCK. >> SORRY YOU WILL MISS COMMITTEE. YOU.

[I. Old Business]

>> MOVING ON, WE HAVE UNDER OLD BUSINESS, TWO DOCKETS RELATED TO THE INSTEAD MAN APARTMENT COMMUNITIES, PZ--2020-00081

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THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN AND DESIGN APPROVAL LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SPRING MILL ROAD ON 12.5 ACRES.

THE ZONED IS -- Z-550-11, FILED BY JIM SHINAVER AND JON DOBOSIEWICZ OF NELSON AND FRANKENBERGER ON BEHALF OF

CITYSCAPE RESIDENTIAL, LLC. >> WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT IN THIS REQUEST, CITYSCAPE RESIDENTIAL, LLC.

I AM PRESENTS ON BEHALF OF APPLICANT, JENNIFER, THE CITYSCAPE RESIDENTIAL IS THE OTHER ATTORNEY IN OUR OFFICE.

THEY ARE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT COMMUNITY TO BE CALLED THE INSTEAD MAN.

THE REAL ESTATE IS IDENTIFIED AND IN TAB 2 OF YOUR BROCHURES.

THE SUBJECT CONSIST OF 1.5 ACRES AND LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDES OF SPRINGMILL ROAD AND IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE MARKET DISTRICT ON 111TH STREET, SPRINGMILL ROAD. THE REAL ESTATE IS WITHIN THE BRIDGES PUD DISTRICT APPROVED IN 2011.

IN THIS REGARD, THE PROPOSED USE AND MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITY AS MANY AS 300 DWELLINGS IS PERMITTED WENT THE RESIDENTIAL USE BLOCK OF THE BRIDGES PUD. EPA APPROVAL IS REQUIRED UNDER THE TERMS OF THE PUD ORDINANCE. THE FURTHER, THE BRIDGES PUD ALLOWS MAXIMUM OF 300 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS ON THE CITYSCAPE PROPOSAL IS FOR 263 DWELLINGS ON THE REAL ESTATE.

THIS MATTER IS RETURNING TO THE PLAN COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL CONTRIBUTION THIS EVENING WITH CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THE PLAN COMMISSION MEETING IN JANUARY, TO ACCOMMODATE STAFF, NEIGHBORHOODS' REQUEST AND MEET THE PUD REQUIREMENTS INCLUDED BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. REGARDING SITE PLAN CHANGES, BUILDING 3, THE BUILDING IDENTIFIED HERE, HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO AN L SHAPE. TO LIMIT THE EXPOSURE AND FRANCHISE OF THAT BUILDING NO. 3 ALONG THE SOUTH PERIMETER CLOSEST TO 111TH STREET. WHEN I SAY CLOSEST IT'S 38260 FEET FROM 111 TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE FACE OF THAT BUILDING NO. 3. GREEN SPACE WAS ADDED ADJACENT TO THAT BUILDING. THERE IS AN AREA THERE APPROXIMATELY 3200 SQUARE FEET AS AN OUTDOOR COURTYARD SPACE FOR RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITIESEN REGARDING ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, BICYCLE STORAGE IS INCORPORATED INTO EVERY BUILDING. THE NUMBER OF INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SPACES ALIGN WITH THE PUD. TTHE CROSS WALKS WERE MOVED TORE GREATER PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. THAT WAS IN ADVANCE OF THE FINAL PREPARATION OF THE PLANS. REGARDING LIGHTING, THE PENDANT FIXTURES WERE REMOVED DUE TO VISIBLE LIGHT SOURCE AND ALL LIGHT FIXTURES WERE DOUBLE CHECKED AND THEY ARE ALL IDENTIFIED UNDER THE SPECIFICATIONS AS DOWNLIGHTING WITH 90-DEGREE CUTOFFS. REGARDING LANDSCAPING, ADDITIONAL EVER GREEN TEASE WERE ADDED TO THE BERM WITH INCREASED VARIETY OF EVER BEENGREEN PLANTS AND THOSE PLANS ARE CONTAINED IN YOUR INFORMATIONAL BROCHURE. 97 EVER GREEN TEASE WERE REQUIRED THERE. ARE 105 THAT EXIST ALONG THE MOUND, ALONG SPRINGMILL AND FRODGEZ.

THE VARIETY INCLUDE BLACK HILL SPRUCE, WHITE PINE AND NORWAY SPRUCE. THERE IS A SWITCH MADE IN THE LOCATION OF THE EVER GREENS AND SHADE TREES BY THE URBAN FOREST, THEY WILL BE PLACED ON OUTSIDE SIDE OF THE BERM.

THE SHADE TREES ON THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE BERM SO THE MOST SCREENING CAN BE DONE WITH LIVE VEGETATION WITH THE EVER GREENS AND THE SHADE TREES THAT WOULD GROW UP OVER THE TOP OF THE BERM FURTHER ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BERM.

REGARDING SIGNS WE WORKED WITH STAFF TO CREATE A COMPLIANT

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IT'S 5 FEET REMOVED FROM THE INTERNAL DRIVE WHERE TODAY IT'S 2 AND A HALF FEET REMOVED FROM IN FRONT OF THE DRIVE.

IN CONCLUSION, THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE REVIEW VOTE THE 3-0 TO BRING IT BACK WITH RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. THE DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL AND AS NOTED IN THE REPORT RECOMMENDS THE PLAN COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE 111TH ROUND-ABOUT ACCESS VARIANCE AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBJECT TO FINAL ENGINEERING APPROVAL. WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK TO FAVORABLE WITH TWO CONDITIONS. THE SITE LOCATION BE MODIFIED TO COMPLY AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDED FOR FINAL ENGINEERING APPROVAL BY CARMEL ENGINEERING. THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE ROUND-ABOUT DESIGN AT THE 111TH AND SOUTHERN-MOST ENTRANCE TO THE SITE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, JON. WE'LL GO TO THE DEPARTMENT REPORT NEXT. ALEXIA?

>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.

THE PETITIONER HAS MADE MANY CHANGES TO THIS PROJECT BASED ON NEIGHBOR COMMENTS AS WELL AS STAFF COMMENTS.

THEY ARE APPLYING FOR ONE VARIANCE TO HAVE A FULL ACCESS POINT ON TO 111TH STREET INSTEAD OF A RIGHT IN/RIGHT OUT ONLY WHICH IS WHAT IS ALLOWED RN THE PUD.

THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WE BOTH SUPPORT THIS VARIANCE, THEY WILL BE INSTALLING A ROUND-ABOUT PER THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT REQUEST. THE OTHERWISE THE PROJECT MEEPTS THE OTHER PUD REQUIREMENTS. THE APPROPRIATE BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNED TO COMPLIMENT THE PRAIRIE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE REQUIRED BIT PUD. IT WILL BE CULTURED STONE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDINGS, SOME BRICK AND FIBEROUS CEMENT IN THE UPPER PORTION. THEY DO MEET THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS OF THE PUD. THE URBAN FIREFIGHTER IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANDSCAPING ALONG 111TH AND SPRING MILL.

THE SIGNAGE IS FINALIZED. THEY WILL HAVE TWO ZANS SIGNS ONE ON THE NORTH STREET AND ONE ON THE EAST SIDE, AND TWO DIRECTORY SIGNS, WHICH ARE ALLOWED.

THEY WILL HAVE A CANOPY SIGN FACING SPRINGMILL ROAD.

THE ONLY OUTSTANDING ITEMS ARE ABOUT THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE AND THE SIGN, IT APPEARS TO BE TOO CLOSE TO THE SEAT.

THAT NEEDS TO BE SET BACK 5 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

THEN I'M NOT SURE I MISSED THIS, BUFF THE CANOPY SIGNS, SEEMS LIKE THEY ADDED UNDERNEATH THE STEADMAN AND IT'S ONLY ALLOWED TO BE 2 FEET TALL. THAT WILL NEED TO BE MOVED AS WELL TO MEET THE STANDARDS. OTHERWISE, THAT CANOPY SIGN HEIGHT IS FINE AS IS. OTHERWISE, PETITIONER ADDRESSED ALL OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL THIS EVENING BASED ON WHAT THE COMMISSION AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS FINAL APPROVAL AND THE SIGN TO THE NORTH IS SET BACK 5 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE APARTMENT HOMES IS REMOVED FROM THE PAN PI SIGN. CANOPY SIGN.

>> THANK YOU, ALEXIA. COMMITTEE?

>> I WASN'T AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING.

I DID LISTEN TO THE AUDIO FILE. CHRISTINE, I KNOW YOU WERE THERE. MR. KIRSCH CHAIRED IT.

HE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. AS FAR AS THE REPORT GOES, I THINK IT'S PRETTY WELL SUMMARIZED THAT ALEXIA, IS THERE

ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? >> SORRY TO ADD THAT, THIS WAS AT THE FEBRUARY 1ST RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE MEETING.

AND IT WAS 3-0 APPROVAL. IT WAS CONDITIONAL APPROVAL SO THAT ALL WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE TIME THEY GOT BACK.

SOME OF THEM WERE LANDSCAPING WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IT IS DONE.

LIGHTING, SIGNAGE, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

THEN WITH REGARDS TO THE ROUND-ABOUT, BEFORE THE MEETING JEREMY CASHMAN PROVIDED US A LETTER FROM ENGINEERING SAYING THAT HE WANTED THE ROUND-ABOUT AT 111TH.

I THINK HE ALSO ASKED TO JUST TO CONFIRM THAT WE GET FINAL ENGINEERING APPROVAL IF THAT'S THE ROUND-ABOUT.

IT WAS CONDITIONALLY APPROVED BASED ON COMPLETING THOSE TASKS.

>> THAT WAS THE REPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE.

>> THANK YOU, CHRISTINE. THANK YOU, SUE.

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SUE. >> I WASN'T IN THE COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT I TOOK SOME NOTES WHEN I LISTENED TO THE COMMITMENTS. I WANTED TO IT MAKE SURE THESE GOT TAKEN CARE OF. I KNOW NICK HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE BICYCLE INSIDE STORAGE. YOU ADDRESSED THAT.

YOU WERE GOING TO GET WITH DAVID LITTLEJOHN ON THE PATH CONNECTIVITY. DID HE MENTION THAT?

DID I MISS THAT? >> THAT WAS DONE AND THE PATHS WERE MODIFIED TO MEET HIS COMMENTS.

TWO OF THE PATH ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE WAS TO ADD THIS SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY OVER TO SPRINGMILL ROAD.

THIS LOCATION. ALSO ADD A SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTED TO THE NORTH/SOUTH SIDEWALK CONNECTOR, AMONGST OTHER MORE MODEST MODIFICATIONS ACROSS THE SITE.

>> IT WAS MORE OF A PATH. I KNOW MR. KIRSCH ADDRESSED HE WANTED AN 8-FOOT PATH GOING UP ONE SIDE.

WHAT WAS DECIDED ON THAT? >> HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE EAST SIDE, WHICH WE DON'T CONTROL. I IMAGINE WHEN WE COME BACK, THAT WILL BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.

THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES 5-FOOT SIDEWALK TO BE INSTALLED AT THAT LOCATION. AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO MAKE A COMMITMENT REGARDING A PIECE THAT'S OFF SITE. WHILE WE COMMUNICATED THAT TO THE OWNER, THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THE TIME THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EAST SIDE IS DEVELOPED.

>> WHAT IS GOING THERE ON THE NORTH-SOUTH STREET?

>> 5-FOOT SIDEWALK ON OUR -- >> ON THE WEST SIDE?

>> MAKE SURE I'M -- THE LIGHT BLUE LINE.

THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET. IT'S UNDER TAB 14.

THE LIGHT BLUE HEAR IS A 5-FOOT SIDEWALK.

THE IDENTIFICATION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS A 5-FOOT WALK THAT IS PROPOSED. THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS ALL THE DIFFERENT SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. WE KEEP UPDATING THAT AS WE COME BACK WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS. WE JUST -- WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO COMPEL THE OWNER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET THAT WE DON'T CONTROL TO MODIFY TEAR PROPOSAL.

IT WOULD BE INSTALLED AT THE TIME THEY CAME FORWARD BECAUSE

THEY CROM THE OTHER REAL ESTATE. >> I DIDN'T HEAR THAT ON THE COMMITTEE. OKAY.

SOUTH SIDE OF MARKET DISTRICT, LOOKING INTO -- WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON STREET SAFETY CROSSING OVER THE WILLIAMS MILL AND THAT AREA WHERE PEOPLE CROSS.

IS THERE AN UPDATE ON THAT? >> IT WASN'T INCLUDED AS PART OF THE PROPOSAL. THAT WOULD BE A MID BLOCK CROSS WALK. THE BEST AUTHORITY TO TAKE THAT TO IS THE DEPARTMENT OF ENGINEERING THROUGH THE BOARD OF

WORKS FOR THAT TO BE CONSIDERED. >> I'M SORRY, I HAD A BUNCH OF NOTES. I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THE MINI ROUND-ABOUT PROPOSED ON 111TH TREAT. FROM DAY ONE, FROM OUR FIRST MEETING, BOTH COMMISSIONERS HERE, AND THE PUBLIC WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT GOING IN. ONE OF THEM BEING THE SIZE OF THE BERM, WHICH IS WAS HIGH AS 14 FEET AS YOU WERE PULLING OUT AND THE VISIBILITY TO SEE IN THAT ROUND-ABOUT.

JUST REMINDING ANYBODY, IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. I HAVE DRIVEN THAT AT LEAST 50 TIMES SINCE THE LAST MEETING. AND THAT MINI ROUND-ABOUT IS GOING TO BE SO CLOSE TO ILLINOIS.

THEY JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE.

THIS IS JUST ME. GOING IN RIGHT NOW, UNTIL WE SEE WHAT IS BUILT ON THE EAST SIDE. TAKE A LOOK AT TRAFFIC AND HAVE A BIGGER PICTURE OF THAT. I KNOW CITY ENGINEERING WOULD WANT YOU ALL TO BUILD IT. BUT I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE.

111TH WAS DESIGNATE AS AN ARTERIAL ROAD.

IT WILL HAVE FOUR PLAINS. I DON'T KNOW WHEN SIDEWALKS WILL GO IN. THERE IS NOTHING TO WALK ON THERE. I THINK IT WILL GET A LOT OF USE GOING OVER TO THE MONON BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO GO OVER 111TH FROM THE LEFT SIDE, AND 116TH AND 106TH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CROSS OVER 31, WHICH IS MUCH BUSIER.

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YOU CAN TALK ABOUT LINE OF SIGHT.

ANYBODY THAT WASN'T ON COMMITTEE WANTED TO SEE THAT.

>> THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THE TRANSMITTAL.

I JUST DIDN'T REVIEW THEM. >> BUT IT'S OF GREAT CONCERN TO THE NEIGHBORS ON THE SOUTH AND THE NEIGHBORS ON THE WEST.

I THOUGHT IF YOU COULD TAKE A MINUTE AND SHOW THOSE.

>> THE ILLUSTRATION ON THE TOP IDENTIFIES SPRINGMILL ROAD, ALONG THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE EXHIBIT.

THEN SOMEWHAT ON THE PATH ALONG SPRINGMILL ROAD IDENTIFYING A LINE EVER SIGHT. THE FIVE-STORY BUILDINGS WON'T BE VISIBLE BASED ON THAT PERSPECTIVE FROM THE THREE-STORY BUILDING THAT IS CLOSER TO SPRINGMILL ROAD.

THIS BUILDING IDENTIFIES THE FIVE STORY BUILDING THAT I IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN. THIS BUILDING HERE.

111TH STREET THE BUFFER AREA, THE POND, THE PARKING TO THAT BUILDING. SO IT SHOWS WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH IN TERMS OF THE DISTANCE AND THE SEPARATION FROM 111TH STREET. I THINK THERE WAS TESTIMONY PROVIDED BY THE PUBLIC THAT GOT SENT TO THE PLAN COMMISSION THAT INDICATED THAT THAT BUILDING WAS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN A CONDITION THAT WE TYPICALLY DEALT WITH, WE HAD SETBACKS THAT WERE 20 AND 30-FOOT SET IMPAKS FROM STREET PERIMETERS BEFORE YOU GET TO BUILDINGS, RATHER THAN 250-FOOT PLUS SETBACKS. THEN IN ADDITION TO THIS EXHIBIT, I THINK WE PROVIDED A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS ON THE SOUTH SIDE HOMES RANGED FROM 40 AND 80 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. YOU HAVE 100-FOOT ON 111TH STREET, 40 TO 80 ON THE SIDE AND LANDSCAPING INTERVENING.

THE APPLICANT PUT TOGETHER AN ILLUSTRATION -- GIVES AN IDEA WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE. THIS WOULD BE 111TH STREET.

THIS WOULD BE THE FENCE ON THE SOUTH I'D OF 11TH FROM THE VANTAGE POINT OF SOMEONE IN THEIR REAR YARD LOOKING NORTH.

PAST THE BERM, PAST OF THE PLANTINGS OF THE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING IN THE DISTANCE. THANK YOU, JON.

>> MR. PRESIDENT? >> THE COMMISSIONER AND I USUALLY AGREE. AS A FISCAL OFFICER OF THE CITY, I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIOUS MAKE THE CITY PAY NOOR WE COULD MAKE THE DEVELOPER PAY FOR. SORRY, DEVELOPER.

ENGINEERING WILL PUT THIS IN. THEY GAVE US A LETTER THEY PUT IT IN. IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR US TO MAKE THE CITY PAY FOR IT. DENYING THIS WOULD MAKE THE CITY PAY FOR IT. IN GOOD CONSCIOUS, I CAN'T DO THAT. WHEN I CAN GET A DEVELOPER TO PAY FOR SOMETHING WHY WOULD I USE TAXPAYER MONEY TO DO IT.

IT WILL BE THERE NO MATTER WHAT. LET'S LET THE DEVELOPER PAY FOR IT RATHER THAN THE TAXPAYER PAY FOR IT.

>> I UNDERSTANDS YOUR LOGIC. MY HEART OF HEARTS CAN'T BELIEVE FOR SURE THAT WILL BE THERE. IT WILL BE, OF COURSE, IF THEY GIVE THE VARIANT. I'M NOT SURE IT'S THE WISEST

THING. >> THAT'S NOT TRUE.

THEY GET THE VARIANCE -- SORRY FOR THE BACK AND FORTH THAT OKAY? IT'S NOT -- BECAUSE THEY GET THE VARIANCE, DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO GO IN.

IT HAS TO GET FINAL APPROVAL FROM ENGINEERING.

IF ENGINEERING DOESN'T THINK IT'S SAFE OR HAS SIGHT LINES THAT ARE SAFE, THEY WON'T BUILD IT.

I HAD TO MAKE THAT POINT. I'M NOT ARGUING FOR OR AGAINST THE ROUNDS-ABOUT. I'M ARGUING FOR OR AGAINST

HAVING THE TAXPAYER PAY FOR IT. >> CHRISTINE, TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT A BIT. DID ENGINEERING EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE BEHIND A MINI ROUND-ABOUT VERSES -- REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT THE PETITIONER ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WAS RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY. THE VARIANCE WOULD BE FOR FULL EXCESS, NOT RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, WHICH IS WHAT THE PUD -- FIVE OR

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NOW WE ARE HEARING DIFFERENT FROM ENGINEERING.

>> TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT.

THE PUD WAS APPROVED IN 2011 BEFORE ILLINOIS STREET WAS CONSTRUCTED AND BEFORE THE ROUND-BUSY WERE INSTALLED AT 106TH OR 111TH STREET. WE HAVE PASSED THROUGH A DECADE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT ON THIS REAL ESTATE AND SURROUNDING AREAS.

AS IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME AND MR.-- DID A GOOD JOB DESCRIBING THAT. THEY ARE AT THE DIRECTION OF ENGINEERING. AGAIN, AS IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME, ENGINEERING WHILE THEY ARE NOT COMPELLED TO FOLLOWING THE ZONING REQUIREMENT. RATHER THAN DOING THIS WE NEED YOU TO DO Y. Y MAY BE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE ROUNDS -- CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROUND-ABOUT.

WE DIDN'T START THE PROCESS BY SAYING WE WANT A FULL DRIVEWAY.

WE SAID WE WANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE FOLKS CHARGED WITH PROTECTING THE PUBLIC, HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE AND THAT'S ENGINEERING. THEY EVALUATED THE REQUEST AND SAID THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. THE ONLY EVIDENCE I THINK THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PLAN COMMISSION BASED ON THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUT AND ILLINOIS STREET IS FROM THE PUBLIC, WHO SAY IT'S CLOSE. IT'S 150 FEET, THAT'S TOO CLOSE.

I DON'T KNOW THE TRAFFIC, WHO THEY CONSULTED, WE RELIED ON CARMEL ENGINEERING FOR US. HERE IS THE WAY THEY INSTRUCT IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE WAY WE BELIEVE IT IS SAFE IN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. SO WHILE I DON'T SAY WE DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT. I THINK IN THE EVENT THAT A MOTION FAILS ON THE VARIANCE, WE MAY BE BACK HERE NEXT MONTH WITH THREE ADDITIONAL MEMBERS OF THE MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE TO REACH A CONCLUSION. I'M NOT SURE THERE ARE FIVE VOTES TONIGHT. I THINK WE ARE BACK IN THE SAME

SPOT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

IT WAS A SIMPLE LETTER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD PULL IT UP. IT DIDN'T GIVE A LOT OF DETAIL.

DO YOU HAVE IT? >> I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE A

COPY OF IT HANDY. >> JEREMY COULDN'T BE AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING. I'LL READ A SMALL PARAGRAPH FROM THE LETTER. IT SAYS, PETITIONER HAS ASKED IF A LOCATION OF THE CONNECTION TO 111TH BE MODIFIED TO A LOCATION ACROSS FROM SPRINGMILL LANE, WHILE ANALYZING THIS REQUEST IT WAS COMPARED TO THE PUD APPROVED RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT CONNECTION TO 111TH STREET. THE DEPARTMENT ASKED TO SHOW A COMPACT ROUNDABOUT AT THIS LOCATION.

SAFETY WAS THE FIRST REASON OF THIS ALTERNATE WAS BROUGHT UP.

IN GENERAL, ABSENT A MEDIAN, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT BRINGS NEGATIVE BENEFITS AS MOTORISTS DO NOT ABIDE BY THE CONDITION.

ADDITIONALLY ALIGNING THE NEW ROADWAY WITH SPRINGMILL LANE WITH ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CALMING BENEFITS CUTS DOWN ON THE LEFT-HAND TURNS AT THE EXISTING INTERSECTION WHILE SLOWING

111TH V STREET TRAFFIC. >> SO, ENGINEERING'S POSITION IS RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUTS DON'T WORK. WITHOUT A MEDIAN.

[INAUDIBLE] >> WELL, IT IS, ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. BUT THE REALITY IS THE OVERPASS AT 31 IS TWO LANES AND IT CAN'T BE EXPANDED TO FOUR.

IT'S HARD TO ENVISION THAT 111TH WOULD BE WIDER THAN THE TWO LANES THAT IT IS TODAY. FOR THE SHORT DISTANCE BETWEEN SPRINGMILL AND THE OVERPASS. THE OVERPASS LEADS TO ILLINOIS.

I'M STILL REALLY STRUGGLING WITH, TO ME, THAT THE FIT HERE IN THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA AND TRYING TO KEEP THAT FEEL, PRESERVE THAT FEEL, IS THAT RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT IS THE WAY THAT MINIMIZES TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF SPRINGMILL PLACE.

AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE EXISTING ROUND-BUSY IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST AND THE WEST ON 111TH.

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A LEFT TURN CAN DO THE RIGHT OUT AND GONE TO THE FIRST ROUND-ABOUT 100 YARDS DOWN THE STREET AND MAKE THAT U-TURN. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS STILL A TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE. A MINI ROUND-ABOUT, I REMEMBER

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IT DOESN'T WORK. I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE EXCESS HERE AND THE -- WITH THE KANSAS HERE AND THEY CAME WITH US WITH A MORE MODEST PROPOSAL FOR THAT ACCESS.

>> MR. PRESIDENT, I WISH ENGINEERING WERE HERE TO DEFEND THE ARGUMENT THAT THERE ARE NEGATIVE BENEFITS OF RIGHT IN,

RIGHT OUT. >> I HAVE TWO OPTIONS HERE.

ONE, I WILL REPEAT WHAT I SAID BEFORE.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE FEEL OR THINK, ENGINEERING WILL BUILD THIS. IT WILL NOT BE A DOORSET.

WE WILL NEVER BUILD ANOTHER DOORSET.

I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY I DON'T KNOW THAT.

YES, I DO. I TALKED TO ENGINEERING.

WE WILL NOT BUILD DOORSET ON THIS LOCATION.

I'M NOT ARGUING FOR OR AGAINST THE ROUND-ABOUT.

I'M SAYING IT'S GOING TO GET BUILT.

I'M TOLD THAT BY ENGINEERING. I WOULD EITHER LIKE TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THE TAXPAYERS TO PAY FOR.

IT OR TABLE THAT PORTION AND LEAVE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING

WHEN WE HAVE A FULL STAFF. >> I WANT TO ADD.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE A STRONG PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT WHETHER IT SHOULD BE A ROUND-ABOUT OR NOT.

I CAN UNDERSTAND LOOKING AT IT SO CLOSE TO THE ROUND-ABOUT.

I HAVE A HARD TIME GOING AGAINST OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO EVERY DAY. I WOULD PROBABLY AGREE TO TABLE IT AND -- I HAVE A HARD TIME GOING AGAINST THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT SAYING THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TORE SAFETY REASONS.

WHILE I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, AT FIRST BLUSH IT DOESN'T SEEM

TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. >> THAT'S WHY I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS. I AGREE THEY ARE THE PROFESSIONALS IN TERMS OF ROADWAY DESIGN AND SAFETY.

AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND PARTICULARLY THE NEIGHBORS WHO ALREADY ARE THERE AT SPRINGMILL PLACE, FEELS TO ME THAT ANY TYPE OF ROUND-ABOUT IS NOT IN THOSE FOLKS' BEST INTEREST. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE UP MY MIND BASED ON WHOSE NICKEL IT'S BUILT ON.

I WANT TO DO, FROM THIS BODY, WHAT WE CAN CONTROL.

AND WHAT'S GOING TO CREATE THE BEST BUILT ENVIRONMENT.

I STILL HAVEN'T MADE UP MY MIND ON THAT PIECE OF IT.

I DO WANT -- JON, THANK YOU FOR THE -- ON THE SIGNAGE, WITH MOVING THAT SIGN. I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A REQUIRED STEP. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT SIGNAGE CONSISTENT WITH THE LARGER OVERALL DESIGN OF THE BRIDGES COMMUNITY, SO THIS IS PART OF THE BRIDGES, AND THE SIGNAGE DOES THAT. THE SIGN AT THE CLUBHOUSE ENTRANCE. THE CANOPY SIGN.

THAT WOULD BE CHANNEL LIGHTED OR LIGHTED FROM WITHIN EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL LETTERS? IT WOULD BE WITH LED LOOM NATION. IS THAT AS CRUCIAL AS ANY OF THE SIGNS MOUNED ON THE RETAIL BUILDINGS IN THE BRIDGES? OR A SOFTER GLOW, I DON'T KNOW A BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.

>> IT'S DONE WITH LED ILLUMINATION WHICH IS NOT AS PROMINENT AS OTHER SIGNS. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO ILLUSTRATE

FART OFF INTO THE DISTANCE. >> ANOTHER THANK YOU FOR THE RETENTION POND AND THE FACT THAT BRINGS MORE WATER TO THE BRIDGES THAN ANY OF THE STREAMS THAT WERE NEVER BUILT BY GESHNER BROWN. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IT'S A GOOD DESIGN ELEMENT. IT'S A FUNCTIONAL DESIGN ELEMENT. I SAY IT FACETIOUSLY, BUT IT'S A TRUE AMENITY. I APPRECIATE YOUR CLIENTS' WORK

ON THAT. >> CLARIFICATION, MR. PRESIDENT.

>> IF WE MAKE A MOTION ON THE ACCESS AND WE DON'T GET FIVE VOTES, DOES IT NOT STAY HERE ANYWAY? OR DOES THAT COUNT AS NOT BEING APPROVED?

>> WE NEED A FIVE VOTE -- >> ARE YOU ENTERTAINING A

MOTION? >> I WILL.

I WOULD FIRST MAKE A MOTION ON PZ--2020-00081 DPADLS, THE

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I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONTINGENT ON THE SIGN BEING 5 FEET AND ACCORDING TO ALEXIA, THE CANOPY SIGN HAVING THE APARTMENT HOMES PORTION REMOVED. SECOND.

THANK YOU, BOTH. I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND DDULY SECONDED. THERE IS NO DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES.

>> MR. PRESIDENT. >> MR. RIDER.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PZ--2020-00247, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY GOING FROM RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, TO A ROUND-ABOUT APPROVED BY

ENGINEERING. >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU, BOTH. DISCUSSION FOR TWO SECONDS?

>> SURE. >> I WANT TO MAKE A POINT THAT MANY TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF TIME THAT ALL OF US HAVE SERVED, WE HAVE APPROVED THINGS CONTINGENT UPON ENGINEERING HAVING THE FINAL APPROVAL. I LAUGH WHEN I DO THAT BECAUSE ENGINEERING HAS THE FINAL APPROVAL ANYWAY.

WE CAN APPROVE ANYTHING BUT THEY CAN KILL IT IF THEY FEEL CERTAIN THINGS ARE NOT LEGIT. ENGINEERING ALWAYS HAS THE LAST SAY. I APPRECIATE THAT.

IF THIS MOTION FAILS, IT WOULD BE BECAUSE -- JUST BECAUSE ENGINEERING IS GOING TO DO IT DOESN'T MEAN PLAN COMMISSION IS GOING TO ENDORSE IT. SO, WITH THAT -- I'M SORRY,

ALEXIA. >> I WONDER IF I COULD MAKE ANOTHER POINT ABOUT THE ROUND-ABOUT.

FROM THE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, TOO, I WOULD LOOK AT A COUPLE OTHER BENEFITS THAT WEREN'T MENTIONED.

ONE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT TO LINE WITH THE STREET SO THAT CARS COMING IN AND OUT ARE AT THE SAME SPOT WITH 111TH -- OR SPRINGMILL LANE AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE LIGHT SHINING INTO THE BACKS OF THE HOMES. IT'S SHIFTED TO THE WEST.

THE ROUND-ABOUT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE COMING OUT OF SPRINGMILL LANE TO TURN LEFT EASIER, VERSUS IF THERE IS NO ROUNDABOUT.

IT WILL SLOW TRAFFIC DOWNEN IF THERE IS NO ROUNDABOUT THERE, WE ARE FORCING PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENTS TO USE 111TH TO GO WEST AROUND SPRINGMILL ROAD ROUNDABOUT TO COME BACK EAST, ESSENTIALLY MORE TRAFFIC ON 111TH.

NOW WE ARE TAKING TWO TRIPS INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO GO AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT TO SPRING MILL LANE TO GET EAST.

I PERSONALLY I THINK I HAVE WITNESSED MAKING A LEFT TURN ANYWAYS. I THINK FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE BETTER AS WELL.

THANK YOU. >> CHRISTIE, WAS THERE ANY INPUT ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT?

BY THE NEIGHBORS? >> AT THE COMMITTEE?

>> YES. >> NOT ON THIS SUBJECT.

WE TALKED ABOUT -- NOT AT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE.

WE DID OPEN IT UP TO COMMENT. WE HAD NEIGHBORS THERE BUT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ROUNDABOUT.

AM I REMEMBERING RIGHT? >> FROM THE LETTERS, I DON'T RECALL THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE BEING RAISED, OR AT LEAST NOT RAISED FREQUENTLY. IT WAS ISSUED INTERIOR TO THE PROJECT, NOT THIS ACCESS POINT, AS I RECALL.

>> I RECALL THE FIRST LETTERS COMING, TWO IN PARTICULAR.

THIS WAS NOT NEEDED OR THE PEOPLE TO THE SOUTH DIDN'T WANT.

IT ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY COULD ENTER ON TO SPRINGMILL OR ILLINOIS, IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, JUST GO NORTH.

SOUTH OF THE MARKET DISTRICT, YOU CAN GET ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE STREETS. IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET OUT OF THE APARTMENTS AREA.

THE CONCERN WAS WAIT AND SEE ALSO IN THE LETTERS, WHAT WOULD BE BUILT AND MAYBE THAT CHANGES. THE HOTEL, WHERE WILL THAT BE

PLACED. >> I DO RECALL CONCERN ABOUT -- OPPOSED TO ANY ACCESS AT ALL TO 111TH STREET, RATHER THAN THE

FORM OF THAT ACCESS WOULD TAKE. >> MR. PRESIDENT?

>> MR. RIDER. >> I THINK MULTIPLE OF YOU HAVE SERVED ALMOST 20 YEARS HERE. I IMAGINE I HAVE DONE 11 OR 12.

THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME WE WOULD NOT GO ALONG WITH ENGINEERING IN MY OPINION, IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE THIS.

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>> OKAY. I WILL CALL THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE DOCKET PZ-202021-00247 V. AYE?

OPPOSED. >> THE VARIANCE IS NOT GRANTED.

THE VARIANCE IS NOT DENIED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE

RETURN BACK -- >> LET ME CONFIRM WITH MR. PA CHUKEN HE BRINGS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT --

>> SINCE THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE MISSING, THE VARIANCE IS NEITHER

GRANTED NOR DENIED. >> DUE TO LACK OF A MAJORITY ON THE MOTION ITSELF. NOTE A QUESTION OF LACK OF

ACTION. >> CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU. >> PRESIDENT GRABOW, CAN WE GETTINGER MI CASHMAN HERE FOR THE NEXT MEETING?

>> TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH.

JON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU. >> BATTING CLEANUP, WE HAVE DOCKET PZ--2021-00177 CP. CARMEL SCHAI COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO UP AND REFORMAT THE CARMEL CLAY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ADRIAN. >> THE NATIONAL LEAGUE HAS A DESIGNATED HITTER, SO BATTING NINTH.

>> GOOD EVENING. I'M ADRIAN KEELEY WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.

I AM HERE AGAIN THIS EVENING WITH INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. WE HAVE HAD, AS THE PLAN COMMISSION KNOWS, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL COMMITTEE MEETINGS WITH THE FULL MANITOBA OF THE COMMISSION, FIVE MEETINGS AND ONE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS THE SIXTH MEETING.

I WANTED TO START BY MAYBE BRIEFLY GOING BACK TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS FROM THE INITIAL PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY HAVE WE BEEN DOING TO GET THE WORD OUT, AND HOW HAVE WE ENGAGED FOLKS. WE HAVE ALREADY PRESENTED ABOUT THE EARLY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT WAS HOSTED BY DOCS INCLUDING THE MALL GROUP MEETINGS IN THE GAZEBO, THE ONLINE SURVEY, TALK OF THE TOWB WEB SERIES AND IN-PERSON POPUPS.

SINCE LAST SUMMER, IN ADDITION TO THOSE ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES, OUR TEAM HAS BEEN INVITED TO AND SPOKEN TO -- SPOKEN AT 14 ADDITIONAL MEETINGS, INCLUDING THE CARMEL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION NETWORK, COUNCILOR ORGANIZED TOWN HALL HEATINGS, HOA MEETINGS, THE ONE ZONE BUSINESS ISSUES COMMITTEE. WE GAVE AN UPDATE AT THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND CARMEL SMALL BUSINESS NETWORK.

WE HAVE SPENT ADDITIONAL TIME OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE ALSO RECEIVED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REACH OF OUR COMMUNICATIONS. WITH THE HELP OF THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT THAT WE'VE HAD NEWS RELEASES VIA E-MAIL AND THE WEEKLY E! NEWS LETTERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SIGNED UP FOR THAT E-MAIL. YOU CAN FIND THAT ON THE SIGNUP FOR UPDATES PORTION ON THE WEBSITE.

I'LL POINT THAT OUT LATER. THAT E-MAIL LIST CONTINUES TO GROW. IT'S OVER 4100 E-MAIL SUBSCRIBERS AT THIS POINT. WE MAINTAIN A PLAN COMMISSION AGENDA AND REPORTS LIST THAT WE'VE BEEN ADDING -- WE'VE BEEN ADDING THE NAMES TO THAT OF THOSE WHO HAVE SUBMITTED COMMENTS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE UPDATED -- THAT THEY HAVE BEEN UPDATED ON THE PLAN COMMISSION AGENDAS WHERE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPEARS. THERE HAVE BEEN THREE QUARTERLY NEWS LETTERS. I WAS ASTOUNDED TO LEARN THAT

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I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WERE SO MANY ADDRESS POINTS.

BUT IT MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF IN ADDITION TO THE RESIDENCES, YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, TENANT SPACES, THAT KIND OF -- JUST A LOT OF ADDRESSES HERE IN CARMEL.

WE'VE HAD MEETINGS STREAMED ON SOCIAL AND CARMEL T.V. AND CABLE STATIONS. OF COURSE OUR WEB PRESENCE, THE DOCS WEBSITE, AS WELL AS THE CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.COM SITE. SPEAKING OF WEB PRESENCE, OUR WEBSITE TRAFFIC -- WE ARE NEW TO KIND OF THE HOSTING OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A BUSINES HERE, WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT TO EXPECT HOW IT WOULD BE TOE REVIEW THE PLAN ON A WEBSITE, VERSUS THE PDF, WE HAVE BEEN TRACKING THE NUMBER OF VISITORS BY MONTH. MAYBE ISN'T SURPRISING THAT THE MOST UNIQUE VISITORS WAS IN OCTR AT 3300 UNIQUE VISITORS IN OCTOBER. 23,000 PAGE VIEWS THAT MONTH.

THAT WAS WHEN THE PLAN WAS FIRST RELEASED.

WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT. ALTHOUGH THE ANNOTATIONS AS WE HAVE HAD VARIOUS VERSIONS OF THIS, WE ARE FINDING IT IS BETTER TO REVIEW THE PDF, BECAUSE THE PDF HAS ANNOTATIONS.

WE HOPE MOVING FORWARD, THIS WEBSITE, ONCE THE PLAN IS ADOPTED IT WILL BE A AVAILABLE RESOURCE FOR CURRENT RESIDENTS AND PROSPECTIVE RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYERS, CITY STAFFER AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY FOR YEARS TO COME.

I DON'T EXPAND LOT TIME ON THE PLAQUE PROCESS.

A LOT OF US IN THIS ROOM HAVE BEEN IN ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS.

WE ARE NOW ON OUR THIRD DRAFT THAT WAS RELEASED ON MARCH 4.

REGARDING THE DRAFT ITSELF, I'LL GO BACK TO THE WEBSITE HERE.

ACTUALLY MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THE PDF.

JUST TO MENTION EVERYONE WAS PROBABLY DISCOVERED THIS BY NOW, THE ANNOTATIONS ARE ONLY IN THE PDF.

THE GREEN TEXT THAT YOU SEE ARE TEXT THAT WAS APPROVED AT A COMMITTEE MEETING. THEN THE RED, PINK, OR MAGENTA COLORED TEXT ARE REVISIONS OF EITHER THE FEBRUARY 9 OR 23RD COMMITTEE MEETINGS. THERE ARE NUMBER OF YELLOW FLAGS AND HIGHLIGHTS IN THE DOCUMENT. TO INDICATE NOTES AND OTHER THINGS THAT ABOUT THE TEXT OR THE MAP REVISIONS.

FINALLY, HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN BOXES, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SCOPE QUESTIONS. THE RESULTS OF THOSE, THE KEEPING OTHER DELETING OF THOSE SCOPE OBJECTIVES ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE GREEN BOXES. MOST OF THE PROPOSED REVISIONS ARE WELL NOTED AND EXPLANATORY. I WILL CERTAINLY NOT GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE THIS EVENING. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PHOTO REPLACES. WE REMOVED THE 2009 MAPS AND TEXT EDITS TO MAKE THINGS MORE CLEAR AND SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF INTENT OR GEOGRAPHY WHERE POSSIBLE.

I WOULD LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO A FEW REVISIONS WHICH MAY BENEFIT FROM SOME ADDITIONAL EXPLANATION.

THE FIRST IS ON PAGE 12. I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY MOUSE.

THIS IS THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES SECTION. SECTION 1.

THERE WAS A NOW-DELETED OBJECTIVE, 1.1.3, THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION.

I WILL GO TO THAT. I WILL GO TO THAT PAGE.

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PLAN IMPLEMENTATION IS ABOUT ALL OF THE OBJECTIVES.

WE FELT THAT THAT WAS -- THAT LANGUAGE BELONGED RIGHT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES.

NOT JUST UNDER MANAGED OPPORTUNITY FORUM OR SOME OF THE OTHERS. SO WE HAVE HYPERLINKS TO THE VARIOUS ROLES OF DEPARTMENTS AND COMMISSIONS THAT PLAY A ROLE IN IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN. THEN WENT ON TO LIST SEVERAL WAYS IN WHICH -- NOT ALL AT ONCH THE PLAN COULD BE IMPLEMENTED OVER TIME. THE NEXT REVISION I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS ON PAGE 14.

THIS ALSO WAS A RESULT OF THAT PREVIOUS OFG, 1.1.3, WHICH IS NOW DELETED. ONE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION AREAS ON PAGE 12 MENTIONED EDUCATIONAL EFFORTS.

THIS 1.1.9 WAS ADDED TO CLARIFY -- TO CONTINUE TO EDUCATE AND COMMUNICATE EFFORTS THAT HELP STAKEHOLDERS, RESIDENTS BETTER UNDERSTAND CITY REGULATIONS POLICIES AND PLANS AS WELL AS THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS TOWARD INSURING THE SUCCESSFUL IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE POLICIES AND PLANS.

AGAIN, BOTH OF THESE ARE RELATED TO THE NOW-DELETED 1.1.3, TRYING TO EXPAND AND CLARIFY ON BOTH OF THOSE.

THE NEXT REVISION I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION HAS TO DO WITH BUILDING HEIGHTS. AND THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, ON PAGE 29. TH PAGE 30 IS DOWNTOWN WEST. PREVIOUSLY, THERE WAS NO OVERALL HEIGHT LIMITATION ON DOWNTOWN OR DOWNTOWN WEST.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS CONFUSION ABOUT THE PREVIOUS LANGUAGE, WHICH READ 5 MAXIMUM HEIGHT, WITHIN 20200200 FEET AT THE EDGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE FIVE STORIES IS THE MAX. WE SIMPLY DECIDED TO CLEAN THAT UP AND PUT A MAXIMUM STORY OF SIX STORIES.

WE KEPT THE THREE-STORY MINIMUM AT THE INTERSECTIONS FOR BOTH DOWNTOWN AND THE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

WHICH APPEARS ON PAGE 30. >> MR. PRESIDENT? THROUGHOUT OUR TIME OF DOING THESE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, SOMETIMES WE NEED TALK STORIES, DOESN'T THAT GET DANGEROUS?

>> THIS IS MORE -- A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS MORE ABOUT THE THE OVERALL CHARACTER. WHEREAS THE ZONING --

>> CORRECT. >> ZONING GETS INTO --

>> THAT WIDE BRUSH ROLL. [INAUDIBLE]

>> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT IS OWE PAGE 38, THIS IS ALSO A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. IT IS THE MONON -- PREVIOUSLY READ MONON URBAN BOULEVARD. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION BECAUSE MONON BOULEVARD TO ALL OF US NOW THAT THE PHYSICAL MONON BOULEVARD IS CONSTRUCTED, CONJURES -- CREATES THE IMAGE OF A STREET ALONG BOTH SIDES OF THE MONON.

ON THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MAP, THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN RUNS FROM JUST NORTH OF MAIN STREET DOWN TO JUST SOUTH OF -- DRIVE.

WE KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE TREATED WITH A BOULEVARD STREET OWE THAT ENTIRE LANE. WE FELT LIKE CHANGING THAT TITLE TO MONON URBAN PROMENADE, REMOVING THAT TITLE WOULD BE

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IT IS NOT NOTED IN THIS DRAFT. THOSE ARE THE ONLY REVISIONS THAT I WANT TO CALL SPECIFIC ATTENTION TO.

AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS GO IN TERMS OF THIS PROCESS, IF THE REVIEW IS COMPLETED THIS EVENING, YOU MAY VOTE TO CERTIFY THE PROPOSAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR PLACEMENT ON THEIR AGENDA.

PHOTOING THAT THERE ARE NO FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE RECOMMENDATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLANS UNDER INDIANA CODE. SIMILAR TO OTHER ITEMS THAT GO TO CITY COUNCIL, THE COUNSEL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE, REJECT OR AMEND THE PLAN. IF IT'S APPROVED, THEN IT WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, HOWEVER IF THE COUNCIL DOES MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS, THEN THOSE WOULD BE RETURNED TO THE PLAN COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION. I WILL POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING AND WANT TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS. UNDER THIS PROCESS TAB, WE'LL KEEP THIS UPDATED, FIRST TONIGHT'S MEETING IS ON HERE.

AS THIS MOVES ALONG, WE'LL KEEP THIS UPDATED, EVEN AS IT MOVES ALONG THROUGH CITY COUNCIL. I WILL WRAP UP WITH THE DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDATION TO CERTIFY THE PROPOSAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND ALSO THANK MEMBERS OF THE PLAN COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED THROUGH ANY PORTION OF THIS PROCESS IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS, YOU ARE AS PROUD AS EXCITED ABOUT THIS NEW FORMAT AND PROPOSAL AS WE ARE AND MOVING THIS FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP CLOSER TO ADOPTION.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, ADRIAN.

CHRISTINE, COULD YOU GIVE US A REPORT FOR THE COMMITTEE?

>> I WILL BE HAPPY TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE REPORT.

AS ADRIENNE SAID WE HAD MANY COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE SPENT HUNDREDS OF HOURS REVIEWING THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE DID A VERY THOROUGH DETAILED REVIEW DURING OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS. WE WENT LINE BY LINE THROUGH THE TEXT OF THE PUD. WE WENT STREET BY STREET THROUGH THE MAPS. WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION, A LOT OF DEBATE. SOMETIMES WE WERE IN AGREEMENT ON THE CHANGES. SOMETIMES WE WERE NOT AND WE REACHED A COMPROMISE. IN THE END, WE REQUESTED A LARGE NUMBER OF CHANGES. SO WE HAVE TONIGHT, WHAT ADRIENNE HAS PUT UP IS THE THIRD DRAFT.

A LOT OF THE CHANGES ARE NOTED AS MARKED CHANGES.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW IF YOU PULL UP THE PUD THERE ARE CHANGES WE MADE THAT ARE NOT SHOWN AS MARKED.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE UPDATED ALL THE MAPS.

I PRESUMABLY IT'S JUST TO SHOW MARKED CHANGES THROUGH MAPS.

UPDATED MAPS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED. THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE ELIMINATED THAT ARE NOT SHOWN AS STRIKE-THROUGH.

FOR EXAMPLE WE REMOVED HOSPITALITY AS A USE IN THE STATE SECTION. THAT WORD IS MISSING.

IT DOESN'T SHOW IT WITH A REDLINE THROUGH IT.

THERE ARE SMALL CHANGES. THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THE FIRST DRAFT THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

I WILL NOT GO THROUGH ALL THE SINGLE CHANGES.

BUT THERE WAS A GENERAL THEME OF CONCERNS THAT WERE ADDRESSED WHEN THE FIRST DRAFT CAME OUT. I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS EXPRESSED IN DIFFERENT WAYS, IT WAS THE SAME GENERAL CONCERN, WHICH THERE WAS CONCERN THAT IN THE FIRST DRAFT WAS GIVING THE PERCEPTION THAT HIGH DENSITY AND

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WHILE I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF OUR VIBRANT URBAN CORE, PEOPLE ARE EQUALLY IN SUPPORTING OUR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND PRESERVING GREEN SPACE THROUGHOUT ALL OF CARMEL. THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE DO REFLECT MORE OF A BALANCE IN THE PLAN.

I WANT TO BRIEFLY TOUCH BASE ON KEY POINTS THAT ADDRESSED THAT, I THINK WAS THE OVER ARCHING CONCERN THAT EVERYONE SEEMED TO ARTICULATE WITH THE FIRST DRAFT. THE FIRST DRAFT WAS VERY MUCH BASED ON REGULATIONS LISTEN IS A OF EMPHASIS ON THAT.

IF THERE WAS A PENDULUM, WE HAD BASE RELATION HERE, THE PENDULUM WAS OVER HERE. WE BROUGHT IT MAYBE NOT TO CENTER BUT WE BROUGHT IT DOWN HERE.

THERE IS REFERENCE TO USE SPACE REGULATIONS AND EDO.

THE MESSAGING IS THAT BOTH MATTERS, NOT ONE OVER THE OTHER.

SECONDLY, I THINK THE OTHER CONCERN ON THE FIRST DRAFT WAS REFERENCE TO THE 20 MINUTE CITY CONCEPT.

I THINK PEOPLE READ THAT AND THOUGHT THERE WAB COMMERCIALS POPPING UP IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.

IS NO RELATION TO 20 MINUTE CITY CONCEPT WITHIN THIS PLAN.

THEN I THINK THE OTHER REALLY BIG CONCERN WAS THE TYPICAL CORRIDORS. IF THERE WAS A NUMBER OF STREETS DESIGNATED AS TYPICAL CORRIDORS, THEY COULD BE POSE PROPOSED FOR HIGHER DENSITY. WE REMOVED THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR FROM 106TH STREET, 116 STREETS, 126TH STREET AND MAIN STREET EACH OF KEYSTONE. WE REMOVED THAT DESIGNATION.

WE WENT THROUGH EACH DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

STREET BY STREET. IT WAS TEDIOUS.

IF ANYBODY WATCHED THAT, I'M SURE YOU FELT YOU WERE WATCHING PAINT DRY. IT WAS A VERY SLOW PROCESS.

IT WAS AN IMPORTANT EXERCISE. AS WE DID THAT, WE ADJUSTED BOUNDARIES. WE TOOK NEIGHBORHOODS IN DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS AND MOVED THEM TO EAST.

OR WE TOOK TOM CREEK OUT OF WHITE RIVER AND MOVED IT TO THE EAST. WE ADJUSTED THOSE BOUNDARIES AROUND MAKING SURE WE WERE PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THEN FINALLY, I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES THAT WE DID AS FAR AS TRYING TO PRESERVE THE NATURE AND ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT -- SOME OF THESE GREENSPECIES THAT WE LOVE IN -- GREEN SPACES THAT WE LOVE IN OUR CITY.

THE FIRST DIDN'T HAVE MENTION OF TREE PRESERVATION AND GREENSPACE. IT HAD THE CORRIDOR DEFINITION.

THE UNNECESSARY REMOVAL OF TREES AND INCORPORATING GREENSPACE.

WE HAVE THE CONSERVATION CORRIDOR IN THERE.

ON THE MAP NOW IT SHOWS 116TH AND 106TH STREET DO HAVE CONSERVATION CORRIDOR OVERLAY ON THERE.

WE MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES FROM THE FIRST DRAFT.

I THINK IT'S IMPROVED. IT'S A VERY BALANCED PLAN.

WE ARE SO APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK.

WE READ EVERY SINGLE LETTER. IT DID HELP GUIDE US AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PLAN AND REVISED IT. TONIGHT WE HAVE OUR THIRD DRAFT.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS.

THAT'S MY REPORT. >> THANK YOU, CHRISTINE FOR THAT REPORT. IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING BUT NEEDS TO BE SAID, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE. FANTASTIC JOB.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT WAS FUN.

THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHEN THIS FIRST CAME BEFORE THE PLAN COMMISSION, THE POSSIBILITY WAS RAISED FOR FURTHER DERBY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER PUBLIC INPUT WHEN THIS CAME BACK TO THE FULL PLAN COMMISSION. WE ARE AT THAT JUNCTURE THIS EVENING. OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.

WE HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING T WOULD REQUIRE SUSPENSION OF OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.

IF IT IS THE WILL OF SIX OF US TO PERMIT PUBLIC INPUT TONIGHT.

OUR OTHER RULE OR STANDING PRACTICE IS THAT PUBLIC INPUT HEARD LIVE NOT BE REPETITIVE. NOT REPEAT INPUT THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED IN OTHER FORMS AT EARLIER TIMES.

I DON'T SEE THAT CHANGING. SO WITH THAT I WILL DEFER TO THE WILL OF THIS GROUP WHETHER WE WANT TO OPEN THE MICROPHONE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT THIS EVENING.

>> PRESIDENT GRABOW, SINCE WE PUT IT OUT MORE THAN ONCE, I THINK WE SHOULD LET INPUT. THAT WOULD BE MY VOTE.

>> MR. PRESIDENT. >> MR. RIDER.

>> I WOULD AGREE. EVEN THOUGH WE WILL GET A FULL

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WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ANY COMMENTS. >> VERY WELL.

IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, IS THERE A MOTION TO SUSPEND OUR

[H. Public Hearings (Part 2 of 2) ]

RULES? >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU, BOTH.

THIS WILL REQUIRE UNANIMOUS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR TO REOPEN PUBLIC HEARING, SAY "AYE"?

ANY OPPOSED? >> ALL RIGHT.

SO. PUBLIC HEARING RESUMES.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TONIGHT ■WHO DOESNOT HAVE -- WHO HAS COMMENTS THAT WOULD NOT REPEAT ANY PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED? I SEE THREE PEOPLE.

WE ARE FLYING BLIND HERE. WE DON'T HAVE RULES FOR HOW MUCH TIME. THIS ISN'T A SIGNIFICANT DOCUMENT. I WILL SAY 4 MINUTES PER SPEAKER. JILL, I SAW YOUR HAND GO UP FIRST. CAN YOU LEAD OFF POLICE.

CAN YOU LEAD OFF, PLEASE?

>> MY NAME IS JO -- AND DID YOU SAY THIS WAS FUN? I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY PAINFUL PROCESS.

>> IT WAS WORTHWHILE. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE COMP PLAN REVIEW.

I WAS TOLD I COULD MAKE NEW COMMENTS, NO REPETITION OF PREVIOUS TESTIMONY. I UNDERSTAND YOUR PLAN IS VALUABLE. SO IS MINE.

I DON'T SEND YOU THE FURTHER DETAILS THAT DIDN'T FIT INTO THE THREE MINUTES EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU ARE VOTING TONIGHT.

I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED.

I APPRECIATE THAT THE CHAIR CHRISTINE HAD EACH OBJECTIVE AND THEN GAVE TIME FOR A RESPONSE FROM PLAN COMMISSIONERS.

THE PUBLIC WAS INVITED TO PROVIDE INPUT AND WE PUT TIME INTO PICKUPUPS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THANKS TO RECOMMENDATIONS BY PLAN COMMISSION AND REVIEW MEETINGS, INCORPORATES SEVERAL POSITIVE CHANGES INTO THE COMP PLAN. I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR TODAY THAT THE WEBSITE WILL CONTINUE AND HOPE THAT THE SPREADSHEET WILL, TOO, AND THAT WE CAN STILL SEND LETTERS AND THERE IS A WAY OF FOLLOWING THIS IN THE FUTURE INSTEAD OF BEING CUT OFF, AS OFTEN HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET TO CITY COUNCIL.

JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. AS I READ THROUGH THE THIRD DRAFT I WAS TROUBLED BY TWO OCEANS AND HAVE A FEW SUGGESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE. THE FIRST OBSERVATION IS THAT IT FEELS LIKE, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMEOWNERS HAVE NOT BEEN VALUED OR INCLUDED IN MUCH OF THIS DOCUMENT. ON PAGE 10, THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OWNERS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL LIST OF STAKEHOLDERS, ALTHOUGH THEY WERE ADDED.

OFTENTIMES THE PUBLIC IS LEFT OUT IN THE EARLY DECISION MAKING BETWEEN THE DEVELOPERS IN THE CITY.

ALTHOUGH THAT WAS NOT THE CASE OF STEADMAN.

THEY INCLUDED US FROM THE BEGINNING.

IT WAS SUCH A GOOD PROCESS THAT I REALLY WISH THAT THEY WOULD BE A ROLE MODEL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPERS IN TERMS OF TALKING TO NEIGHBORS. ON PAGE 56, THE CONSERVATION CORRIDOR WHICH YOU ADDED, INCLUDES A QUOTE, PRIORITY 9, INCLUDE ADJACENT AND NEARBY PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS IN EARLY DESIGN DISCUSSIONS.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED THROUGHOUT THE COMP PLAN, NOT JUST FOR THE CONSERVATION CORRIDOR, PRIORITY 9. I WOULD ADD INPUT FOR NEARBY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE AT LEAST 12 OBJECTIVES I FOUND. I WILL NOT GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM. IT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG.

ON PAGE 12, FOR EXAMPLE, A CLEAR VISION FOR CARMEL'S FUTURE.

I THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ADDED TO THAT.

ON PAGE 13. PAGE 14, WHERE IS THE ROLE OF HOMEOWNERS BEYOND EDUCATING THEM.

IT FEELS LIKE, TELL US WHAT YOU WANT.

THEN WE DON'T REALLY WANT YOUR INPUT.

THIS IS READING THROUGH THE COMP PLAN, OKAY? PAGE 15, THERE WERE FOUR PLACES WHERE INPUT COULD BE.

PAGE 17, 1.3.2, PLANNING OF SUB AREAS AND CORRIDORS.

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AFTER CONDUCT PLANNING CAN YOU ADD "BY AFFECTED RESIDENTS"? PAGE 19, THREE PLACES INCLUDING 1.4.7 WHICH WAS TO VALUE AND PROTECT AND -- ADD VALUE AND PROTECT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMEOWNERS. PAGE 20, TWO PLACES.

1.5.9, AN ENGAGEMENT IF YOU COULD ADD "THE COMMUNITY." THE SECOND AREA I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, IS THE CONCERNS AND CONCERNS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN READ BY PLAQUE BUT MANY WERE NOT MENTIONED AND ADDRESSED. IT WASN'T THAT THERE WASN'T TIME TO ADDRESS THEM. IT'S JUST THAT MANY PEOPLE FELT LIKE WE WEREN'T ACTUALLY BEING HEARD.

SO THERE REALLY WAS -- THAT WASN'T FOUR MINUTES.

IT WAS FOUR MINUTES? CAN I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE.

THERE ARE ONLY THREE OF US HERE. PLEASE? THANK YOU. THERE WASN'T AN ACTUAL DISCUSSION, IT SOAMED LIKE, ABOUT FORM BASED VERSUS USE.

THE MIXED USES ADJACENT TO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

SOP I WOULD HOPE THAT A PIECE FROM THIS C-3 PLAN TO BE INCLUDED WHICH WOULD BE SENSITIVE TO TRANSITIONS TWANE ADJACENT AREAS, DISCOURAGE UNPLANNED OR HARSH CONTRAST IN HEIGHT OR CHARACTER OF LAND USE AND DENSITY.

IF THERE IS CONTRAST USE MULTI-USE PRINCIPLES TO SOVEREIGN THE TRANSITION. I WOULD ASK HOW LITED SIGNS CAN IMPACT THE ESSENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND REQUIRE, ON PAGE 26, ADD TO REQUIRE UNIVERSAL DESIGN STANDARDS OR OFFER THEM NEW HOMES ESPECIALLY FOR -- THE LAST AREA OF THIS IS THAT I WOULD ASK THAT THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT AVERAGE HOMES ARE ONE TO TWO STORIES.

IT YOU COULD INCLUDE JEAPT AND FAMILY HOMES INCREASE THE HEIGHT TO ONE STORY AND PROVIDE REASONABLE TRANSITION.

PAGE 35, IT STATES THE NAME AND DESCRIPTION OF STATE IS MISLEADING TO PUT THAT TO 5 PLUS ACRES.

IT WAS 1/5TH. IS THIS A MARKETING PLOY? THERE ARE AREAS -- I WOULD PREFER YOU RETURN IT SOUTHWEST.

I THINK SIX STORIES IS TOO TALL FOR THE THREE AREAS THAT WERE JUST ADDED TO SIX STORIES. THE ADDITION TO SEE MAKE THIS USER FRIENDLY FOR THE PUBLIC TO PUT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT SECTION INSTEAD OF THE END.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY BE DIRECTIONALLY CHALLENGED, I ASK THAT YOU INCLUDE STREET DIRECTIONS AND/OR MAPS ON EACH DEVELOPMENT PATTERN PAGES. I THINK THEY ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PHOTOS, THERE IS STILL ROOM FOR THE PHOTOS.

PLEASE INCLUDE ONLY LOCAL PHOTOS AND LABEL THEM WHEN POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING. >> THANK YOU.

>> WHO'S NEXT? SIR? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS NATHAN SMITH.

I AM A HOME RESIDENT AND LANDLORD.

MY WIFE AND I HAVE PLANTED LONG TERM ROOTS IN HOMEPLACE.

BY LIVING IN, INVESTING OUR MONEY IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE ARE THANKFUL FOR THE INVESTMENTS THAT ARE PLANNED BY THE CITY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO MINDFUL DEVELOPMENT. THAT WILL GO FOR ADRIENNE.

WE HAVE GIVEN HER FEEDBACK THAT MADE THEIR WAY INTO THE PLAN.

HA SAID, WE STILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IMMINENT AND POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT CAN RESULT FROM THE NEW COMP PLAN.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROPOSED MOBILITY LANE AND CYCLE TRACK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST 106TH STREET 106TH STREET NOW.

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YOU ARE NOT HANGING ON' FINITE SCALE.

I'M SURE IT WILL BE ADDRESSED AT A FUTURE DATE.

THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING THAT CAUSES CONCERN, WHEN YOU SEE A PLAN AND THEY GO "I DON'T THINK THIS IS FEASIBLE HERE SPECIFICALLY." MAYBE TWO PROPERTIES OVER.

MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE. I DON'T KNOW.

CERTAINLY THAT CAUSES CONCERN. AND THEN ANOTHER CONCERN HERE.

THE PROPOSED ARTERIAL THAT I KNOW IS IN THE LAST PLAN.

THAT IS PROBABLY NOT HERE. IT'S THE PLAN THAT WOULD CONNECT EAST 96TH TO COLLEGE, ALL THE WAY TO PENNSYLVANIA ON THE NORTH SIDE OF I-465. IF YOU CAN PULL THAT UP HERE.

RIGHT HERE. THIS IS A PRETTY DRASTIC CHANGE FOR THIS AREA, WHICH IS AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD BORDER BY 465 AND BY COLLEGE AND THEN BY OTHER HOMES.

SO WHEN YOU ARE PUTTING THIS MAJOR ARTERIAL HERE AND ACAPITALLING THAT WITH THE CHANGE IN THE OVER LAY WHICH IS DOWNTOWN WEST IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.

THAT ALLOWS FOR FIVE STORY DEVELOPMENT THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY UP TO ABOUT RIGHT HERE. I OWN ANOTHER HOME ABOUT RIGHT HERE. SO MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE SAFETY ISSUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE IS NO SPEED BUMPS AND CARS ARE GOING FASTER THAN THEY NEED BE, PUTTING A MAJOR THUNDERSHOWER FAIR LIKE THAT THROUGH THE -- THOROUGHFARE, IT'S ALLOWING FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMMERCIAL ON BOTH SIDES OF THE NEW NITH STREET.

96 IT'S STREET.

THAT'S A BIT OF A CONCERN. WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DYNAMIC AND MAKE SURE SAFETY IS PRESERVED THERE.

I'M SURE SIMILAR CONCERNS ARE SHARED BY OTHERS ACROSS CARMEL THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THE CHANGES IN THE PLAN.

WE JUST HOPE THAT THE CITY TAKES THIS INTO ACCOUNT.

THE FEBRUARY 22ND HOMEPLACE ADVISORY BOARD MEETING THERE WAS A MENTION AFTER HOME OPENER AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 106 AND WESTFIELD THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE TO SELL THEIR HOUSE TO THE CITY TO ALLOW FOR THAT ROUNDABOUT.

THAT'S A PROJECT HAPPENING SOONEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD IMPACT OUR HOUSE. I HAVE A TENANT IN THIS HOUSE.

WHAT DO I TELL THEM? IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION TO BE INVOLVED IN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS ENOUGH TIME. I WOULD HATE TO MAKE A DECISION LIKE THAT IN A MATTER OF MONTHS AND NOT BE GIVEN TIME.

SO, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

MISS BROWN? >> GOOD EVENING.

YOU THOUGH ME, I'M ALISON BROWN, 600, 106TH STREET THAT MY FAMILY BUILT IN 1964. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.

SOME GOOD. SOME BAD.

I SEE SOME UNFORTUNATE CHANGES COMING IN IN THIS NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IN EVERY TOWN HALL MEETING I'VE ATTENDED PEOPLE HAVE SAID "WE'RE NOT BEING HEARD.

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WE DON'T WANT TOE MANY BIG BUILDINGS.

WE DON'T WANT TO STUFF SO MANY PEOPLE IN CARMEL." IT'S A GROUP, IT'S VIBRANT, IT'S LOVELY.

I GET THE FEELING THAT THERE ARE LIMITS TO GROWTH AND WE ARE PUSHING ON THEM. WE SHOULDN'T PUSH SO HARD THAT THEN THIS PLACE BECOMES CALCIFIED.

I DID NOT FEEL WELL HEARD DURING THE RUNUP TO THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE TALK AT THE TOWN MEETINGS I ATTENDED WHEN I WOULD PUT IN A COMMENT IN THE WEBSITE, IT WAS NEVER ADDRESSED. YEAH, I AM NOT HAPPY WITH THE VERY LOOSE PARAMETERS DESCRIBING THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A TEN-FOLD DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CHARACTERISTIC HOUSE LOT AND A NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT SEEMS LIKE, WELL, ANYTHING GOES.

I AM FEELING THAT THIS TAKES AWAY CERTAINTY FROM PARTICULARLY LONG-TIME RESIDENTS AND SINGLE HOMEOWNERS.

I AM UNHAPPY CARMEL IS BUILDING UP SO HIGH.

WE USED TO HAVE BEAUTIFUL VISTAS, NOW WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE HORIZON YOUR VISION IS BLOCKED BY FOUR AND FIVE STORIES OF CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS VERY SAD.

ONCE YOU COULD SEE THE SUNSET OR SUNRISE RISE.

NOW YOU ONLY SEE THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE COMP PLAN THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND, OF COURSE, IF THIS LEAVES THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING, IT ONLY GOES ON TO THE COUNCIL WHERE THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS BEGINS THE SECOND ITERATION, STLOOR THE ONE THAT'S ABOUT TO CONCLUDE. I ENCOURAGE TO YOU STAY ENGAGED.

WE HEARD THAT THE WEBSITE WILL STAY LIVE AND ACTIVE FOR FURTHER INPUT. SO YOU CAN COMMENT.

DISCUSSION FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION?

>> I GUESS ADRIENNE, COULD YOU ADDRESS 106TH STREET, HIS CONCERN, AS WELL AS THE 96TH STREET?

>> I WILL CHECK -- I WILL DOUBLE CHECK THE MAPPING ON 106TH.

I BELIEVE ON THE MOBILITY AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN, THAT WAS JUST A MAPPING INCONSISTENCY. THE CYCLE TRACK, IF IT WERE TO GO IN, IT WOULD NOT BE A PIECE BY PIECE BASIS.

IT WOULD BE A LONG STRETCH. OF COURSE, THE INVESTMENT IN THE ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WAS DISCUSSED IN AN EARLIER PETITION IS, OF COURSE, UP TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAN IS TO SET FORTH A LARGER VISION AND PARAMETERS IN TERMS OF IF DEVELOPMENT DOES OCCUR ALONG A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT WE CAN SECURE RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT. THEN AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, OR TRAFFIC CHANGES, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN PROCESS IN DETERMINING WHAT THE ACTUALLY IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE, WHETHER FUNDED, PRIORITIZED, OR PLANNED. REGARDING 96TH STREET.

THIS CONNECTION IS SOMETHING -- AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T SHOW THE ACTUAL -- EXACT ALIGNMENT OTHER THAN WE WOULD LIKE TO PLAN FOR A CONNECTION IN THE FUTURE BETWEEN COLLEGE AVENUE AND PENNSYLVANIA PARKWAY OVER TO THIS WESTFIELD AND 96TH STREET AREA.

THIS HAS BEEN ON THE PLAN FOR AT LEAST WITH THE C-3 PLAN, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON THE COMPREHENSIVE THOROUGHFARE PLAN PRIOR TO THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN WE ADDED THAT. PART OF THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED, OR SET ASIDE, AT LEAST, HERE WITH MONON LAKES AND, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PRIORITIZED, FUNDED IN TERMS OF

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AND/OR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. >> ADRIENNE, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGE TO THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

THEN YOU ALSO SHOWED ON PAGE 38 THE MONON PROMENADE, I MAY HAVE MISHEARD YOU. DID YOU SAY THAT MAX HEIGHT, THE SAME CHANGE IS MADE TO THE MAX HEIGHT OR HAS BEEN MADE TO THE MAX HEIGHT SECTION ON THIS PAGE ALSO?

>> IT HAS BEEN SHOWN ON THE DOWNTOWN AND THE DOWNTOWN WEST PAGES. I'LL GET TO THAT.

HERE IS DOWNTOWN. SIX STORIES MAXIMUM HEIGHT, THREE STORY MINIMUM AT INTERSECTIONS.

THE SAME THING HAS BEEN SHOWN ON DOWNTOWN WEST.

WE ARE ASKING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE MONON URBAN PROMENADE TO MATCH THAT LANGUAGE.

THIS WHAT IS SHOWN HERE IS WHAT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED ON DO YOU WANT AND DOWNTOWN WEST. ON DOWNTOWN AND DOWNTOWN WEST.

>> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. WHY DON'T WE TAKE UP THAT PARTICULAR EDIT RIGHT NOW, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, CHRISTINE.

>> YES, WE CAN TAKE THAT UP. >> IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT CHANGE TO PAGE 38? WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ACTION ON ANYTHING. DO WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT EDIT INTO THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT, WHICH WE'LL BE VOTING ON IN A MOMENT? IT'S A CONSENSUS.

WHO HAS THOUGHTS ON MAKING THAT EDIT THAT ADRIENNE PROPOSED TO

PAGE 38. >> WHY ARE YOU ADDING IT THERE? BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN.

>> IT'S SIMPLY TO MAKE THE MONON URBAN SECTION MATCH THE HEIGHT AS IT WAS CHANGED IN DOWNTOWN. THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. THIS FIVE ONLY WITHIN 200 FEET AT THE EDGE OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WHERE FIVE STORIES IS THE MAX. THAT LANGUAGE PREVIOUSLY EXISTED IN DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE NOW PROPOSED A SIMPLE SIX STORY MAXIMUM HEIGHT. WE THINK THIS SHOULD MATCH THE

DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. >> DIDN'T WE HAVE DISCUSSION -- I'M TRYING NOT -- WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION.

WE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS WITH HEIGHT.

BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A HEIGHT INDICATED FOR DOWNTOWN.

THERE WASN'T ONE. SO THAT'S WHERE OUR DISCUSSION WAS. WHERE SHOULD IT BE.

NOW THEY ARE PROPOSING SIX FOR DOWNTOWN.

THEY ARE BEING CONSISTENT WITH MONON URBAN PROMENADE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A PROBLEM TO HAVE IT INCONSISTENT.

THAT'S FOR US TO DECIDE. IS IT 6 FEET FOR ALL DOWNTOWN BUT ONLY 5 FEET ON THE URBAN PROMENADE.

AM I UNDERSTANDING THE DISCUSSION CORRECTLY?

>> THE ONLY CLARIFICATION TO THAT IS THIS PIECE THAT READS, WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE EDGE OF THE DEVELOMENT PATTERN WHERE FIVE TORIES IS THE MAX. WE NO LONGER HAVE DEVELOPMENT -- ANY DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT HAVE A FIVE-STORY MAXIMUM.

SO THAT CREATES AN INCONSISTENCY.

>> THE TRADEOFF YOU JUST DESCRIBED, PREVIOUSLY HAD NO HEIGHT LIMIT. IF YOU WERE FARTHER THAN 200 FEET FROM AN ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT ALLOWED FIVE STORIES. NOW THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO DOWNTOWN AND DOWNTOWN WEST IS TO CAP THAT AT SIX.

WHICH WOULD LEAVE MONON URBAN PROMENADE AS SORT OF AN ORPHANED

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THE MONON URBAN PROMENADE EXISTS ONLY WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN.

>> YES, IT'S ONLY WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN.

>> DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. IT'S ENTIRELY, ENTIRELY WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ON THAT MAP? AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AS I INTERPRET IT, THIS REMOVES AN INCONSISTENCY, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE A DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT SAYS SIX AND THREE. BUT MONON URBAN PROMENADE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT HAS THE OLD FIVE STORY LIMITATION. [INAUDIBLE]

RIGHT. >> RIGHT.

ASSUMING THERE IS A MOTION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN ITS ENTIRETY F THAT MOTION WOULD INCLUDE -- I'M MAKING THOSE THREE CHANGES, THE ONE IN ADRIENNE'S PRESENTATION AND THE ONE ON PAGE 38. WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION. I WOULD COMMENT MAYBE TO ECHO OR ADDRESS SOME OF THE REMON STRANS WE HAVE GOTTEN THE COMMENTS WE HEARD THIS EVENING. I THINK IT CAN'T BE EXPLAINED TOO OFTEN THAT WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THAT SOMETHING IS ALLOWED GENERALLY ANYWHERE WITHIN A GIVEN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, THAT THAT IS NOT TO BE INTERPRETED AS TO SAY THAT THAT CHARACTERISTIC WILL BE DEVELOPED EVERYWHERE WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. THE WHITE RIVER CORRIDOR IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. THERE IS COMMERCIAL PERMITTED IN THAT AREA. I DON'T THINK IT IS THIS BODY'S BENT THAT THE ENTIRETY OF THE WHITE RIVER CORRIDOR BECOME COMMERCIAL. THERE ARE PLACES WITH A CANOE RENTAL BUSINESS WITH A RESTAURANT WITH SOME SORT OF RECREATION FACILITY, THERE IS A COMMERCIAL USE, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WANT TO ALLOW. IT'S UP TO US TO DECIDE WHICH BEND IN THE RIVER TO LOCATE THAT BUSINESS ON.

THAT'S WHY THE COMP PLAN IS DELIBERATELY IMPRECISE IN THAT REGARD. OTHER AREAS WHERE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AT A CORNER, SOMEPLACE WITHIN PA GIVEN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MAY MAKE SENSE.

30 YEARS FROM NOW, ONE CAN BE ASSURED THERE WILL NOT BE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT 100% OF THE CITY OF CARMEL.

BACK TO THAT TERRIBLE ANALOGY OT COLOR PAINT TO PUT ON THE PALETTE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL DECIDE WHERE TO PUT EACH OF THOSE COLORS ON THE PALETTE.

LASTLY, TO STICK WITH THE COLOR THEME IF ANY OF THE MAPS, PARTICULARLY THE THOROUGHFARE OR STREET TYPOLOGY MAP CAN USE DIFFERENT COLORS TO DELINEATE THE STREETS, THIS YELLOW-GREEN VIEWER HAS A DIFFICULT TIME SEEING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NUMBER OF THOSE STREET TYPES. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT ADAPTATION AS THIS GOES TO FURTHER REVIEW AT THE COUNCIL.

OTHER DISCUSSION? AGAIN, IF THERE IS NOT MUCH DISCUSSION, IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF INTEREST.

IT'S BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE, WE ARE US.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DEBBIE, WHO GETS A PIT OF A PASS THIS EVENING. SO I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THAT IS TRUE ALSO OF PUBLIC INPUT.

THERE HAS BEEN LOUD AND CLEAR PUBLIC INPUT ALONG THE WAY.

WE HAVE A SPREADSHEET OF COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE ENTERED THROUGH THE WEBSITE THAT IS MANY, MANY, MANY PAGES LONG. AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE SILENT ON THIS COMP PLAN AND THIS COMP PLAN PROCESS. THEIR SILENCE CONVEYS A MESSAGE, ALSO. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOT NECESSARILY ASSUME THAT IS AN ENDORSEMENT.

BUT THAT THEIR OBJECTIONS, PERHAPS SAFE TO SAY THEIR OBJECTIONS ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT THEM WRITING IN AND COMING TO THESE MEETINGS, AS MANY PERHAPS MORE DEDICATED

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SILENCE IS A VOTE AS WELL. REMEMBER THAT.

>> MR. PRESIDENT. >> DEBBIE.

>> WELL, EVEN THOUGH I'M NEW TO THE COMMISSION.

I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS SINCE ITS INCEPTION.

SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE VISUAL PROPOSAL AND SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE GONE TO. IT I CONCUR WITH THE EDITS THAT YOU HAVE OR ABOUT TO RECOMMEND. I HAVE READ ALL OF THE LETTERS THAT CAME IN RECENTLY. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT BOILS DOWN TO THE MAIN CONCERN IS THAT WITH MIXED USE, HIGH DENSITY HOSPITALITY, HOWEVER YOU WORDED ALL OF THAT, THE CONCERNS WERE THAT'S ALL GREAT FOR YOU NEW NEIGHBORHOODS BEING PLANNED, NOT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT IS MY OBSERVATION.

I'M SURE THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE DEALING WITH THAT.

MY QUESTION IS, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK I HAVE SEEN THAT'S NOT BEEN ADDRESSED TONIGHT.

SO IS THAT SOMETHNG THAT WE JUST ACKNOWLEDGE WE HAVE SEEN THAT AND RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL ADDRESS THAT? OR DO WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT ANY FURTHER TONIGHT, EDIFICATION

QUESTION. >> ADRIENNE, I'LL LET YOU RESPOND TO THAT AND CHRISTINE CAN WEIGH IN AS WELL.

>> WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE IS AN INSTANCE WHERE I WILL LUMP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE UDO TOGETHER.

UNLESS THERE IS SOME KIND OF PROPOSAL OR DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, THIS PLAN OR THE UDO ISN'T GOING TO BE NEEDED.

THIS PLAN ACTS AS A GUIDE FOR SOME KIND OF CHANGE, SHOULD IT BE PROPOSED. DEVELOPMENT, OR REDEVELOPMENT, OR MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.

IN TERMS OF REPLATS, THAT KIND OF THINGS.

IT ACTS AS A GUIDE. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PUT FORTH OR NEEDED UNTIL THERE IS A PROPOSED CHANGE IN TERMS OF EXISTING VACATE LAND, EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, ETC.

THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. I JUST THINK BEFORE THE COUNCIL TAKES A FINAL VOTE ON THAT, I'VE BEEN AROUND A FEW BLOCKS IN PUBLIC SERVICE. IF A COMMENT CAN BE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, A COMMENT CAN BE MADE BEFORE THE FINAL ADOPTION, THAT MIGHT ALLAY SOME FEARS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SCARED ABOUT -- I'M ALL IN FAVOR AS LONG AS YOU DON'T COME INTO MY EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN UNLESS THERE WAS SOME PROPOSAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT ANYWAY.

I THINK IT WOULD BE SOMEHOW TO EMPHASIZE IT'S A PLAN AND I KNOW YOU HAVE DONE THIS ALL ALONG. LIKE I SAID I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS. A PLAN IS NOT A ZONING VARIANCE.

IT'S NOT A MASSIVE REZONING OF THE CITY.

JUST TO EMPHASIZE THAT A PLAN IS A PLAN AND ALL THE PROCEDURES FOR MAKING CHANGES TO ANYTHING REGARDING REDEVELOPMENT WOULD

STILL HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. >> MR. PRESIDENT?

>> THANK YOU, DEBBIE THAT'S SPOT ON.

MR. RIDER. >> ONE THING THAT I THINK WILL HELP IN WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I THINK WE ALREADY TRIED TO SOMEWHAT MAKE THAT POINT ARE THE TYPICAL CORRIDORS BE REMOVED FROM THE EAST-WEST.

GOING WEST, GOING EAST. I UNDERSTOOD THE CONCEPT.

BUT IT MADE PEOPLE SO UNCOMFORTABLE.

IT'S THEIR COMP PLAN. WE TOOK IT OUT.

THAT WAS THE FIRST STEP IN THAT. I HOPE THAT TOOK AWAY SOME OF THOSE FEARS. I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE

SAYING. >> THAT'S THE SAME WITH THE 20 MINUTE CITY CONCEPT. THE 20 MINUTE CITY CONCEPT IN THE ORIGINAL DRAFT REALLY GAVE EVERYBODY PAUSE FOR CONCERN.

IT GAVE THE HE PERCEPTION THERE WOULD BE COMMERCIAL IN EVERYBODY'S EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE REMOVED THAT. WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AS WE LOOKED THROUGH THIS PLAN.

I'M SURE THERE IS FURTHER REFINEMENT THAT WILL BE DONE AS

WELL. >> FOR THE RECORD.

KUDOS. AS I SAID, I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING

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BASED ON THAT STATEMENT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CERTIFY THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE ADDITION OF THE CHANGES THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING, THE THREE SIX FOOT.

>> I SECOND. >> FOR THE RECORD, I WILL SAY CHRISTINE SECONDED THAT MOTION. SHE EARNED THAT RIGHT.

THANKS. >> IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THE MOTION IS TO CERTIFY THE COMP PLAN IN ITS CURRENT FORM WITH THOSE THREE CHANGES TO THE SIX-STORY BUILDING HEIGHTS. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY EYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

ADRIENNE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

MIKE, RACHEL, ALEXIA, ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.

JOE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.

TO THE PUBLIC THANK YOU FOR Q4 ONGOING WORK.

I KNOW YOU WILL NOT STOP TONIGHT.

ONWARD TO THE COMMON COUNCIL. THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE US ON THE AGENDA THIS EV

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.