Mar 21, 2022 City Council Meeting 03-21-22

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> ALRIGHT I LIKE TO CALL THE MARCH 21, 2022 CARMEL CITY CANCEL MEETING TO ORDER. FIRST

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

WE HAVE AGENDA APPROVAL. >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT'S

[3. INVOCATION]

WELCOME. >> THE RED LIGHT WILL TURN THE BUTTON AT THE BOTTOM OF THE

BASE. >> THANK YOU FOR THE FAMILY WELCOME. LET'S BREAK.

>> GRACIOUS AND LOVING GOD WE PRAISE YOU THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US IN THE PLACE THAT YOU PUT US. LORD, WE PRAY FOR YOUR CONTINUE BLESSINGS ALONG THE PEOPLE IN IN THE PEOPLE CARMEL. PEACE BE WITH COUNSELOR SLANG FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ASSEMBLEDD THIS ERING SEES OUR DISCUSSION WITH WISDOM, MERCY AND GRACE KEEP US MINDFUL OF WHAT WE MIGHT'VE FORGOTTEN THOSE ASSORTMENTS OF OURSELVES. REMIND US TO CONSTANTLY LOVE OUR NEIGHBOR AND TEDIOUSLY WITH PROFOUND WAYS TO DO THAT FOR THIS ALL THINGS LORD WE GIVE YOU PRAISE

IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE

[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

[5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS]

>> NEXT WE HAVE RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS. WE HAVE MANY BUT TONIGHT WE ARE ZEROING IN ON ONE. WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE REBECCA CHIKE AND I'M GOING TO CALL TIMOTHY UP. PROXIMITY TO COUNCIL. TIMOTHY, DIRECTOR OF THE ICS DEPARTMENT. IT'S WITH GREAT HAPPINESS AND LITTLE SINUS I COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. HAPPINESS IS TO RECOGNIZE REBECCA CHIKE FOR 38 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY OF CARMEL. THE SOUNDNESS IS TO RECOGNIZE REBECCA CHIKE THE AMOUNT OF SERVICE BECAUSE SHE'LL BE RETIRING I SHALL LONGER BE WITH US. I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST 5 YEARS I IMAGINE THE IMPACT REBECCA HAS HAD FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL, THE EMPLOYEES OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. SHE STARTED HER CAREER AS A POLICE DISPATCHER THAT WAS PART OF THE NEWLY FORMED TECHNOLOGY GROUP DEPARTMENT. THEN ENTER SERVICE HERE IS A SUPERVISORY ROLE IN THE IT DEPARTMENT. HER IMPACT TRULY DID SPEND THE ENTIRE CITY. MYSELF,, BUT WHEN I JOINED THE CITY AS THE ICS DIRECTOR ALMOST 5 YEARS AGO I STARTED IN THE BEGINNING OF JUNE. IT WAS A VERY WARM WELCOME TO THE CITY AND OH, BY THE WAY YOUR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS DUE. I HAD LOVED TO HAVE LOOKED PICTURE MY FACE WITH THE DEER IN HEADLIGHTS LOOK ON IT. BUT, BE FOREVER GRATEFUL FOR REBECCA SHE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY ROLLED UP HER SLEEVES DIGGING IN AND DOING WHAT SHE ALWAYS HAS DONE UNTIL APRIL 1. THIS ROLLING UP HER SLEEVES AND DIGGING INTO GET THE JOB DONE FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY. SO UNFORTUNATELY THE MAYOR COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT. I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM FRIDAY. HE ASKED ME TO GIVE YOU HIS GRATITUDE FOR YOUR 38 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY. HE DID THEY BEAT WITH SOMETHING ELSE. CITY OF CARMEL PROCLAMATION. PLEASE BEAR WITH ME AS I READ THIS. CITY OF CARMEL PROCLAMATION WHEREAS, REBECCA CHIKE IS RETIRING FROM CITY OF CARMEL FOR 20 YEARS INDICATION SYSTEMS DEPARTMENT AND WHERE SHE PLAYED A VIOLENT ROLE IN PUBLIC SAFETY IS A POLICE DISPATCHER AND, WHEREAS SHE ALSO PLAYED A CRITICAL ROLE IN THE OPERATIONS OF THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS DEPARTMENT AS APPLICATIONS ADMINISTER AND LATER AS THE SYSTEM SUPERVISOR. AND, WHEREAS OUTSTANDING LEADERSHIP, COMPASSION ORGANIZATIONAL KNOWLEDGE ARE GREATLY APPRECIATED. AND WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY MISSED AND, WHEREAS REBECCA NOW PARK CITY SIMPLY ENJOYS RETIREMENT FOR HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS. I

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ADDITIONAL BE RETIRING. APPLAUSE] >> REBECCA. IF HE WANTS ANYTHING YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO TO THE MICROPHONE OTHERWISE, AND INVITE THE WHOLE FAMILY TO STAND RIGHT IN FRONT OF US WITH PICTURES. I WOULD INCLUDE HER WORK FAMILY IF YOU CHOOSE.

JUST LINE UP IN FRONT OF US HERE. SOMEBODY GRABS SOME LEASE FAMILY CAMERA TAKE A PICTURE.

[APPLAUSE] GET TAKE YOUR TIME, GET WHAT YOU THANK YOU EVERYBODY. [APPLAUSE]

>> I KNOW OUR MEETINGS ARE EXCITING BUT IF THE E FAMILY IS NOT RUDE IF YOU WISH TO NOT STAY AT ANY POINT IN TIME YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET UP. A MAP NEXT 6, RECOGNITION A PERSON WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. NO BLUE CARDS JACOB? OKAY. 7, COUNCIL AND BARREL COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS. COUNCIL? MOVING ALONG. NEXT WE HAVE CONSENT NT AGENDA. 8,

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

$2,926,437.26. >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. >> BUT WAS A ? 0.

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

>> ACTION ON MAYORAL DETAILS. WE HAVE DONE. >> COMMITTEE REPORTS A FINANCE,

UTILITIES AND RULES COMMITTEE. COUNSELOR WORRELL. >> WE HAVE NOT MET.

>> NEXT LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE. >> WE HAVE NOT MET.

[11. OTHER REPORTS – (at the first meeting of the month specified below):]

>> OF THE REPORTS? >> FIRST WE HAVE THAT CARMEL AUDIT COMMITTEE. MICROPHONE IS YOURS. THERE WE GO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT A COUPLE THINGS, NUMBER ONE. HEADINGG, BEFORE I GET INTO MY MY PURPORT HEADING TOWARDS A SUMMATION OF SO-CALLED COPPER REPORT THROUGH THE STATE. IT'S DUE TO BE FILED SOMETIME IN LATE MARCH AROUND THE 31ST OR EARLY APRIL. . IT LOOKS LIKE WERE ON TRACKK ACCORDING TO ANNE AND KURT WERE HERE TONIGHT. T. THAT SEEMS TO BE ACCEPTABLE TO BE KATE ARE, OUR AUDITORS. IT'LL START THE PROCESS FOR THE AUDIT THIS COMING YEAR. AND THEN START THE AUDIT TUTOR THIS YEAR THAN

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THE LAST YEAR. THE OTHER THING I'VE BEEN ASKED TO REPORT ON TO ENGAGE IN THE CONVERSATION IN A DIALOGUE WITH THE COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER OR R NOT THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE SCOPE OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE TEE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE AN AUDIT COMMITTEE. EE. WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONSAMONGST THE EMBERS OF THE AUDIT IS THAT WE'VE NOW BEEN IN EXISTENCE LITTLE BIT OVER 4 YEARS IF I RECALL IF HAD SOME DISCUSSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT REALLY IS APPROPRIATE TO THE SCOPE OF THE ORDINANCE SECRETED THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. WE ARE TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE THE EXCEPTION OF THE CITY OF DIANAPOLIS WERE THE ONLY LARGE CITY WITHIN THE STATE OF INDIANA THAT ACTUALLY HAS AN ACTIVE AUDIT COMMITTEE. THE SCOPE OF THE AUDIT IT COMMITTEE WHICH WAS CH WAS AGAIN RATED AS A RESULT OF AN ORDINANCE NUMBER ? ?. SICALLY IT LIMITS US TO AROUND THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. WHICH IS AND I THINK AS YOU MIGHT'VE HEARD ME AT A PREVIOUS MEETING WHICH IS A FAIRLY NARROW SCOPE AS FAR AS I USED TO. AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE THAT HAD SOME EXPERIENCE IN CORPORATE AMERICA AS FINANCIAL EXPERTS. IT'S A FAIRLY NARROW SCOPE. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, I HAD CONVERSATIONS EARLY ON AFTER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE WITH PRESIDENT RIDER AND RON CARTER WHO I THINK WAS ONE OF THE PRINCIPAL AUTHORS OF THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE. AND BASICALLY SAYING THIS IS WITH US AT CITY COUNCIL WANTED AT THAT TIME. MOST OF FAIRLY LIMIT THE SCOPE. TO ESSENTIALLY PREVENT WHO THE AUDITORS WERE MEANT AT THAT TIME IT WAS A STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS. SINCE THAT TIME THE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS HAS OUTSOURCED SOME OF THEIR WORK TO BE KATIE IT HASN'T CAUSED US ESSENTIALLY AND CORRECT ME IF I'M RONG WERE ESSENTIALLY PAID BUT WE PAID THE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS WERE OUR AUDITORS AND AND IT MAKES OF THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN WHAT WE WOULD'VE PAID VERSUS USING AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY AS OUR AUDITORS. WERE PROBABLY PRETTY PLEASED WITH THE QUALITY OF THE AUDIT BASED UPON LAST YEAR AS FAR AS THE NATURE OF THE AUDITORS WHICH THEY SENT OUT TALK OF THE CITY. BUT, THAT BEING SAID AGAIN, ONLY SCOPE IS VERY NARROW LIMITED TO NOT ONLY SELECTION OF AUDITORS BUT ESSENTIALLY REVIEW OF THE AUDIT REPORT. MANY FOR-PROFIT CORPORATIONS THAT UNFAMILIAR WITH WE HAVE AN EXPANDED SCOPE. WHICH WOULD INCLUDE SUCH AS HABITS OF OVERSIGHT, RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE CITIES INTERNAL CONTROL PROCESSES.

WHICH IS NOT PART OF OUR SCOPE. HAVING SOME OVERSIGHT TO ENTERPRISE RISK MANAGEMENT ACTIVITIES. WHICH IS NOT PART OF OUR SCOPE. ALSO SOME IT RISK OVERSIGHT SPECIFICALLY AROUND CYBERSECURITY ISSUES. I THINK COUNCILMAN HANNON YOU AND I HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT MAYBE ABOUT A YEAR AGO. I DID EARLIER COUNCIL MEETING. SO THOSE ARE NOT WITHIN OUR SCOPE. IT'S NOT PART OF THE DANCE. SO, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE CITY AT THIS STAGE THAT IF WERE NOT WILLING TO EXPAND THE SCOPE AND AMEND

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HERE? >> COUNSELOR NELSON? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS. IS IT THE COMMITTEE'S OPINION THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO EXPAND THE SCOPE OR WOULD IT CREATE TERMINATE REDUNDANCIES OR IS THAT IMPORTANT? IT SHOULD BE HAVE THESE REDUNDANCIES? DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO ADD TO THE SCOPE OF YOUR COMMITTEE SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT, THE REASON FOR AUDIT IS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS DONE AND DONE

CORRECTLY. >> LET ME SEE IF I CAN TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. IF I'M

NOT ANSWERING COME BACK WITH MORE QUESTIONS. >> I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE QUESTION IS. THERE SEEMS LIKE ONE POINT THERE WAS A REASON FOR THE COMMITTEE. NOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE BECAUSE THE SCOPE IS SO NARROW THAT IT SHOULD BE EXPANDED BECAUSE IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A REASON TO HAVE THIS AUDIT COMMITTEE.

>> YEAH. I CAN'T NECESSARILY FULLY ADDRESS THE REASONS WHY THE AUDIT COMMITTEE CAME INTO

EXISTENCE. MAYBE ?. >> COUNSELOR FINKAM, YOUR ME. I'M IN A LET HER JUMP IN ON

THIS AND I WILL COME IN AFTERWARDS. >> I CAN PUBLISH THIS BETTER THAN YOU HE CAN. I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE CONCERNS WE HAD. FIRST OFF WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A FIRST COPPER I'M THE POTENTIALLY NOT DOING IT. THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW WE WERE OR WERE NOT GOING TO PROCEED WITH THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING A NEW CLICK PRESSURE AND OVERSEE THIS PROCESS. THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT INJECTABLE, TRANSPARENCY. THEN WE FOUND FORT WAYNE WHICH IS A BIGGER COMMUNITY THAN US WERE USING A COMMITTEE AS WELL WITH SUCCESS. I THINK ALL THOSE REASONS COMBINED WE FELT LIKE AT THAT TIME WAS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THAT. I WILL SAY THERE ARE STILL SOME OF THOSE REASONS STILL PERSISTS. HOWEVER, I HATE TO SEE THE DIALOGUE FROM THE COMMITTEE WITH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AWAY. MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO PRESENT. I HATE TO SEE THE DIALOGUE AROUND THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS GO AWAY THIS COMMITTEE GOES AWAY.

WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND A WAY WITH THE AUDIT REPORT, BACK FROM THE CLOSING AUDIT THAT SOME COUNSELORS CAN ACCESS THAT WHETHER IT BE THAT PRESIDENT, FINANCE CHAIR, HOWEVER WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STILL HAPPENS. THE TIMELINE IS MONITORED BY THE COUNCIL AS WELL AS AND, THAT MAYOR AND KURT. THE SECURITY UNDERSTAND THAT'S S NORMAL AND ACCEPTABLE A PRIVATE ENTITY. OF GREAT CONCERNS ABOUTBRINGING THOSE DISCUSSIONS INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK THERE'S CONCERNS OF EXPANDING OUR SCOPE, I THINK THAT WOULD NOT BE IN OUR BEST ENTRANCE.

>> THAT WAS A GOOD COUNCIL. AS A MUNICIPALITY WE CAN'T HAVE THOSE MEETINGS IN PRIVATE UNLESS THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL TELL US WHAT ITEMS WE COULD DO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. CERTAIN THINGS IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT, SORRY PRESS, WITH THE PRESS. THEN IT GETS REPORTED IT SOMETHING THAT'S INTERNAL. SOME COUNSELOR NELSON.

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>> IF IT'S IT IS A SECURITY AS A CONCERN WE DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE THE SECURITY OF OUR IT. BUT, FROM HAVING A NEUTRAL THIRD-PARTY REVIEW OUR BOOKS IT CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE. ARE THERE THINGS WE COULD ADD THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY?

>> SURE. THE ME FIRST TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MOST OF WHAT AN AUDIT COMMITTEE DOES AS FAR AS INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT. THE AUDIT COMMITTEES EVEN IN FOR-PROFIT COMPANY AND I WAS LIAISON WITH THE AUDIT COMMITTEE AND I CHAIR TO AUDIT COMMITTEES CURRENTLY FOR PUBLIC COMPANIES, NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE, I'M SORRY NASDAQ LISTED COMPANIES. THE AUDIT COMMITTEES DON'T DIVE INTO THE BOOKS AND RECORDS OF A COMPANY. TO ENSURE THAT THE ACCOUNTING ENTRIES THE BOOKS BEING KEPT APPROPRIATELY. THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT AN AUDIT COMMITTEE ROLE ROLE IS. THERE IN A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL. WORKING WITH THE AUDITORS AND, WE RELY UPON THE AUDITORS TO GET INTO THE DETAIL. WHEN THEY PERFORM THEIR AUDIT. WE ARE ON A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL. WE GET ENGAGED IN CONVERSATIONS AS WE DO TODAY WHERE KURT AND I ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES OR DISPUTES WITH THE AUDITORS. IN RECOUNTING PRACTICES, ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES. AND HOW THINGS ARE WRITTEN, COMMUNICATED IN FOOTNOTES. BUT, NOT GOING TO DIVE IN WHETHER OR NOT THE PAYROLL IS BEING HANDLED CORRECTLY. LET'S NOT WHAT AUDIT COMMITTEES REALLY DO. IF YOU HAVE IT INTERNAL AUDIT FUNCTION LIKE A COMPANY WOULD HAVE BEEN INTERNAL AUDIT FUNCTION FOR THE CITY OR HAVE INTERNAL AUDIT FUNCTION. INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT ROLE WOULD GET MORE INTO THE DETAIL FROM AN OPERATIONAL AND AN ACCOUNTING TRANSACTIONAL PERSPECTIVE TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT. ADDITION INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT TO MEMBERS OF MANAGEMENT. BUT OUR ROLE IS AT A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL. TO UNDERSTAND THE APPROACH THE AUDITORS ARE TAKING TO HAVE KURT AND AND EXPLAIN THE REPORT TO US. ANY CONTENTIOUS ISSUES IN ANY SIGNIFICANT TRANSACTION THAT MIGHT HAVE E OCCURRED WHERE THEY MIGHT WANT REVIEW THOSE TRANSACTIONS WITH US AS TO HOW THEY WERE ACCOUNTING FOR THEM. THAT'S REALLY MORE THAN MY VIEW AS TO WHAT THE AUDIT COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR. SO, JUST TO SORT OF LAY THE GROUNDWORK

FOR YOU MILES. >> BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PERSON JUST SO WE KNOW. THIS IS GOING TO END UP AT FINANCE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. COUNSELOR WORRELL.

>> LET ME ADDRESS THE OTHER QUESTION. AS I WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN THROUGH BK THE POWERS OF THEIR AUDIT COMMITTEE LISA STATED POWERS THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AS AN ADDITION TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MEETING WITH THE EXTERNAL AUDITORS. THEY DO OVERSEE THE AFFAIRS OF THE OFFICE TO ENSURE ADEQUATE INTERNAL CONTROLS AND THE ADEQUATE PROCEDURES. THAT SORT OF STATEMENTS IN THE ORDINANCE IS NOT PART OF OUR CHARTER. THEY DO NOT HAVE OVERSIGHT FOR IT FOR PROBABLY NOT OVERSIGHT FOR IT BUT THEY DON'T ENGAGE IN IT ACTIVITY OR DISCUSSIONS PROBABLY FOR THE SAME REASONS KEVIN IS SUGGESTING. I HAVE HAD INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH TIMOTHY SEVERAL YEARS AGO AS THE CHAIR OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. NOT AS PART OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE ACTIVITY. JUST AS A CHAIR, HAD A SESSION WITH HIM TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE

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JUST IN GENERAL. WORKING AT THE SYSTEMS SHE HAS ON HER RESPONSIBILITY. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. IT RELATED.

>> COUNSELOR MINUS QUICK WORKS SO YOU AND I SPOKE BY YOUR GO. I SPENT 13 YEARS ON THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE. WAS IT SHE DESCRIBED IT EVEN THOUGH SOME NOT-FOR-PROFIT MUCH MORE STRATEGIC MUCH MORE PROACTIVE AND MUCH WIDER SCOPE. NOT MESSING WITH THE MINUTIA OF THE BOOKS PER SOUTHEAST. THE SYSTEM AND CONTROLS. BEING PROACTIVE. WHERE'S THE NEXT FINANCIAL RISK, OR BUSINESS LEGAL RISK, WHERE WAS THE NEST IT REST. IT'S A TYPICAL OVERSIGHT WHICH IS COMPLEMENTARY TO INNER INTERNAL CONTROLS FOR AUDIT COMMITTEES. I'M NOT SURE WHEN THAT ORDINANCE WAS ENACTED. IT WAS PROBABLY LEAST 4 YEARS AGO.

>> IT WAS A 2000, FEBRUARY 2017. >> AGAIN I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT STORY BEFORE THE SCOPE WAS SO NARROW. ONCE I DO UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT IF YOUR SCOPE IS NARROW AND YOU'RE NOT ADDING EXTRA VALUE WHY WE DOING IT. THE ALTERNATE APPROACH THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE ADVOCATED IS EXPANDING OUR SCOPE AND BEING MORE PROACTIVE, MORE STRATEGIC.

I WOULD ARGUE LAST, IF IT WAS IN 16, THE LAST 6 YEARS WERE IN MUCH MORE COMPLEX SYSTEM. OF A MUCH HIGHER DEBT LOAD. OUR COMPLIANCE RISKS, LEGAL RISKS, CYBERSECURITY RISKS THAT WE DIDN'T ENVISION BACK THEN. I THINK IS A LEADING CITY LIKES TO BE CUTTING EDGE WISH AND

EXPANDING OUR ROLE NOT ELIMINATED THIS COMMITTEE. >> YET.

>> COUNSELOR FINKAM? >>I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS CONVERSATION AS WELL. I WAS PRESENT WHEN WE ENACTED THIS AND I WAS IN SUPPORT OF THE PARK HAVING COMMUNITY MEMBERS INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. IT WILL BE A GOOD DISCUSSION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE BASED ON SOMETHING MILES HAD SAID I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE AREN'T THINKING OR DOING. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A NEUTRAL PARTY LOOKING AT OUR BOOKS. THAT'S WHAT PKD IS THAT'S WHAT THIS DATE OF INDIANA WAS. NO I DON'T WANT ANYONE THINK WERE DOING AWAY WITH THAT. THIS IS INVOLVING OUR AUDIT COMMITTEE AND THE OVERSIGHT OF THAT PROCESS. I JUST WANT TO SWEAR THAT TO MAKE SURE NO ONE CAUGHT A WHIFF OF THAT THINKING THAT'S WHAT WERE DOING. WERE NOT.

>> THANK YOU, THAT'S IMPORTANT. COUNSELOR WORRELL. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I APPRECIATE IT. WHEN AT A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR TO COUNSELO WAS ALSO THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. MY RECOLLECTION WAS WE ALSO NEEDED SOME INDEPENDENCE TO HELP US NAVIGATE DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN 2 ELECTED OFFICIALS, 2 ELECTED OFFICES AND AS A COUNSELOR THAT HELP ME TO KNOW WHEN THERE WAS THE DEAL GF WAS COMING IN AND SAY ONE THING AND THAT WAS ARGUMENT AND NOT ANNOUNCING PERSONALITIES. I'M JUST SAYING ARGUMENT, JUSTIFIED ARGUMENT ABOUT HOW SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE. IT HELPED TO HELP THE AUDIT COMMITTEE AND I WAS FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT. I ALSO WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF EXPANDING THE ROLE THERE WAS A PURPOSE AND IT MADE SENSE IN MUNICIPAL FINANCE WHICH CAN BE VERY DIFFERENT AS WE LEARNED. FROM CORPORATE FINANCE. I WANT TO POSE A QUESTION. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION COMMITTEE AS WELL. DO YOU SEE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN AUDIT, BY THE STATE AND I HAVE SAT IN ON THOSE

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SOMETIMES A VERY CRITICAL AND THERE IS AN ACTION THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ANY LACK OF RESPONSE TO THAT OR ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN OVERLOOKED? IF YOU BELIEVE THE TAXPAYERS ARE BEING WELL SERVED BY THE FINANCIAL SYSTEMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE?

>> YES. IDEAL. NOT ONLY THE FINANCIAL SYSTEMS BUT, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE LIKE ANN AND HER STAFF AND KURT DOES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK PUTTING TOGETHER THOSE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS TO BE AUDITED. THE BOOKS AND RECORDS OF THE CITY ARE MORE CAPS ON A CASH BASIS. THEN THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS TO GO. ANN SINCE THE RAW DATA ASSOCIATE KURT TO A LARGE EXTENT AND THEN HE HAS TO PUT THEM INTO ORBIT GENERAL ACCEPTING ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES. TO BE PRESENTED TO THE STATE FOR THE AUDIT. I THANK YOU DO A TERRIFIC JOB GIVEN THE RESOURCES THEY HAVE TO BEAR. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THEY COULD USE MORE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT COURT STAFF. WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHETHER ANN CAN USE MORE STAFF FOR MORE HELP. I THINK THEY DO A FINE JOB. AS WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS OR SO MEETING WITH THE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS AND LAST YEAR WITH PKD DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD PKD THEY WERE VERY PLEASED WITH THE FORMAT, THE NATURE OF THE AUDITED STATEMENTS. THE RESULT AND THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT FINDINGS AT ALL. THE INTERNAL CONTROL FINDINGS

WERE IN MY VIEW WERE MINIMAL AT BEST. >> I WOULD SAY THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND MY PERCEPTION AS WELL. I CERTAINLY WILL WELCOME THE DISCUSSION ABOUT LOOKING AT RISK MANAGEMENT. I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS WISE TO COUNSELOR HANNON'S POINT WILL

BEGIN TO FINANCING. >> THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT TO ENGAGE IN

DIALOGUE WITH UOFU CHOOSE TO ENGAGE WITH US. >> WERE GOING TO CHOOSE TO.

COUNSELOR GREEN. >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. I THINK THE AUDIT COMMITTEE WAS CREATED EVEN RIGHT BEFORE I CAME TO THE COUNCIL RIGHT AT THE TIME. I RECALL BEING IN MEETINGS AND SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IT HELPS HAPPENING WITH THE ROOM WILL WORK TALKING STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS.. WILL RETURN TO CLARIFY THE AUDIT. EVEN THOUGH YOUR ROLE HAS BEEN LIMITED I THINK IT HAS BEEN HELPFUL TO MANY OF US BEING IN THE ROOM. I'D LIKE TO SECOND WHAT COUNSELOR WORRELL AND COUNSELOR HANNON DISCUSSED WHERE I'D BE OPEN TO INCREASING THE SCOPE OF YOUR SERVICES TO US. AS IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP, WHY THE COMMITTEE WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED. SEVERAL PURPOSES ARE SEVERAL OBJECTIVES WERE GOING TO BE BACK. ALSO, AT TIMES WHETHER ACTUAL OR NOT THERE'S BEEN A PERCEPTION OF A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY OVER CERTAIN THINGS AND HAVING AUDIT COMMITTEE. EVEN THOUGH THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY WITHIN YOUR SCOPE. HELPS GIVE CONFIDENCE TO THAT TRANSPARENCY AND HESITATION GETTING RID OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD A GLUTEN LIMITED SCOPE UNTIL NOW. ONE QUESTION FOR JOHN. I KNOW WE START TALKING ABOUT VULNERABILITIES ESPECIALLY SYSTEM VULNERABILITIES AND CYBERSECURITY. AT LEAST NOT NECESSARILY AT A MUNICIPAL LEVEL. I KNOW HIGHER. THOSE CAN ALL BE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ARE VERY CONTROLLED AND WHAT GOES TO THE PUBLIC OR NOT. IF WE OPEN UP CYBERSECURITY AND THOSE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS OVER THE RISK OF VULNERABILITIES TO OUR SYSTEMS. THOSE STILL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR PRIVILEGE,

NOT PRIVILEGE COMMUNICATION BUT IN EXECUTIVE SESSIONS. >> HE PREPARED. I TOLD THIS

WAS COMING. >> JOHN OBERLANDER. >> THIS INDIANA CODE SECTION THERE'S 50 DIFFERENT EXECUTIVES WE COULD HAVE. EXECUTIVE SESSIONS ONE OF THOSE IS DISCUSSING THE STRATEGY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SECURITY SYSTEMS. IT CAN FALL UNDER THAT GLINTING CERTAIN SYSTEM THAT CAN BE MET IN EXECUTIVE SESSIONS. AS A CATCHALL PROVISION THAT SAYS ANYTHING THAT'S DEEMED CONFIDENTIAL BY STATE OR FEDERAL STATUTE, ANY RECORDS DEEMED CONFIDENTIAL. NO LOOSE AUDIT RECORDS AND ARE DEEMED CONFIDENTIAL. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT CYBERSECURITY SECURITY SYSTEMS WOULD BE AS WELL.

>> IT'S GOOD TO KNOW. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THIS WILL BE GOING TO FINANCE AND I DID HAVE

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU.

>> KURT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I'M ASKING.

OKAY, ANN? OF YOU IT IS OFF. WE APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO NOT

VOICE REPEATING IF YOU HAVE ONE ON THIS. >> ALL RIGHT I'M ON TV V NOW COUPLE OF NGS I WANT AN ARMY SPOKE TO AUDIT AS MORE OF A CORPORATE PERSPECTIVE. AS YOU CONSIDER WITH THE SCOPE WOULD BE IN A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY TYPICALLY WITH OVERSIGHT COVERS IS REVIEWING ON AN INDEPENDENT BASIS, THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT PROCESSES. TO ARNIE POINT INTERNAL CONTROL WHICH IS NOT BEEN REFLECTED. AND THEN ALSO, KIND OF OVERSIGHT OF THE EXTERNAL AUDITORS THAT WE HELP. SO THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT IT AUDIT COMMITTEE WOULD BE DOING IN A GOVERNMENTAL SETTING. I ALSO CONCUR WITH THE CYBER DISCUSSION. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THE ARNONE KNOWN ISSUES. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH PEOPLE GOING THAT DIRECTION. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN THE AUDITORS AND THE AUDITORS HAVE REVIEWED THAT. I LIKE TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD PUT BEFORE COUNCIL WHICH HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED IN THIS I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH AND AS ARNIE INDICATED MOST UNIT MUNICIPALITIES IN OUR STATE DON'T HAVE AUDIT COMMITTEES.

BUT IN TALKING TO OUR EXTERNAL AUDITOR, BOTH THEY AND I AGREE THAT WERE COUNCIL NOT HAVE A COPY AUDIT COMMITTEE AND IT WOULD BE UP APPROPRIATE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ABSORBED INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THE AUDITS. SO THERE'S KIND OF A SECOND POINT TO THIS IN MY MIND IS YOU HAVE A DECISION BEFORE YOU TO CONSIDER HAVING AN AUDIT COMMITTEE, EXPANDING AUDIT COMMITTEE. SHOULD YOU DECIDE THAT YOU NO LONGER WANT ONE WE DO NEED INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT AND THE AUDITORS AND I BOTH CONCUR ON THAT. IT WOULD RESIDE IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. BOTH THE AUDITOR AND I AM VERY COMFORTABLE IF THAT IS THE DECISION LEVERAGE.

I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. >> QUESTIONS FRANTICALLY

COUNSELOR FINKAM. >> IN THINKING ABOUT THE DOES ANYBODY KNOW A SUBCOMMITTEE OF

THE FINANCE COMMITTEE? >> GENERALLY AS ARNIE INDICATED THEY'RE JUST NOT BEEN ONE. I WASN'T INVOLVED OBVIOUSLY AT THE TIME EVERYONE MADE A DECISION TO HAVE ONE. HAD I BEEN INVOLVED I PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN IN LINE WITH ARNIE ON SAYING THE SCOPE COULD BE BROADER. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION DECIDED WITH THE SCOPE IS, TO DECIDE THE EXPANDING OF THE SCOPE. I JUST WOULD WANT TO REITERATE IF WE DON'T HAVE AN AUDIT COMMITTEE I WOULD HOPE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WOULD ABSORB THE RULE. I DO FIND VALUE IN INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT TO OUR PROCESSES. IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD PROCESS. IT'S BECAUSE IT JUST, YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN AN AUDITOR BEFORE I WAS HERE. IT JUST MAKES GOOD SENSE SO, WHOEVER DECIDES YOU KNOW HOW THAT ROLE SHOULD IT MOVED TO THE FINANCE

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>> THANK YOU. LISTENING TO OUR EXPERTS IS HOW WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. COUNSELOR WORRELL WILL BE COMING TO YOUR COMMITTEE AND IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN REACH OUT TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. NEXT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION WITH MATT SNYDER THE CLAY TOWNSHIP BOARD.

WELCOME. >> HEY, THANKS. >> WE NEED BACKGROUND MUSIC BUT

WERE WAITING HERE. >>.[INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. CENTER CLAY TOWNSHIP BOARD. I WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE CLAY TOWNSHIP IMPACT PROGRAM WHICH IS GOING ON ABOUT 5 YEARS SINCE ITS INCEPTION. 3 YEARS SINCE EVERYTHING GOT APPROVED AND GOT KICKED OFF. SO FAR MEDLOCK PARK AT MONOD AND MAIN STREET IS UNDERWAY. WE ANTICIPATE COMPLETION OF THAT COMPLETE OVERHAUL AT THIS FLORAL. THAT WILL CONTINUE TO REMAIN. THIS BLEW MY MIND DELETE MUNICIPAL PARK A MOLD HAT HAS A POSSIBLE COURT. FORBING INDIANA I GUESS I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. EVERYBODY HAS THEM IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS. THE PARK WILL HAVE PICKLE BALL COURTS AT THE INITIAL DESIGN HAS BEEN DOUBLED DUE TO DEMAND. BRAND-NEW PLAYGROUND. SOME FLOODING MITIGATION FOR THAT AREA OF TOWN. NEW BRIDGES OVER THE CREEKS BACK THERE AND FISHING PEERS IN THE POND. WHERE I GREW UP FISHING. THE CARAMEL CLAY COMMUNITY BUILDING ONE OF THE LARGEST, LARGER PRODUCTS WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN IS STILL SET TO OPEN THIS SUMMER PROBABLY AUGUST AND WE WILL HAVE A BIG SHINDIG OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR THAT. VERY EXCITED. THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN VERY FLUID WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

THINGS HAVE CHANGED MANY, MANY TIMES. A BIG THANKS TO THE CITY CARAMEL ENEMY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION WORKING WITH US ON CONSTANT, WHILE THEY WERE MINUTE, REDESIGNS OF FA?ADES IN TENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IT WILL BE A PHENOMENAL BUILDING. UNDER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS VERY EXCITED TO GET MOVED IN AND THE COMMUNITY SPACE IS ALREADY HIGHLY DESIRED FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE APPROACHED ME. STATION 41, THE FLEX SHIP FIRE STATION FOR CARAMEL HAS BEEN COMPLETELY GUTTED. AS I'VE JOKED BEFORE IT WAS ONLY BUILDING CARAMEL THAT DID ANY FIRE CODE SO WE FIX THAT. ALSO NEW LIVING CONDITIONS FOR OUR FIRE MEN AND WOMEN TO LIVING.

ALL JOINT ROOMS, JACK AND JILL BATHROOMS. MUCH MORE PRIVACY, MUCH MORE SPACE. MUCH MORE FITTING OF A WORLD-CLASS FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR PEOPLE TO LIVED THERE 24 HOURS A DAY. KERRY GROVE PARK IS 99.9 PERCENT COMPLETED. I SAID THAT ONLY BECAUSE WERE GOING TO GO BACK AND DO SOME TWEAKS TO PARKING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SUCH A HUGE WHERE THEY SHOULD IT JUST TO GET IN. I WOULD SAY THE PARKING LOT WAS DESIGNED FOR THE PARK'S CAPACITY SO IF YOU SEE THE PARKING LOT FULL WE HAVE 12 OTHER PARKS IN CARMEL THAT COULD BE ENJOYED BY THE PUBLIC. ? PARK WILL BE COMPLETED AT THE END OF THE SUMMER. HOPEFULLY THAT'S HER TARGET DATE. COMPLETELY CUTTING THE PARK. THE PARKING LOT WAS EXPANDED ALMOST DOUBLED. BRAND-NEW SPLASH PAD, ALL THE INNER WORKINGS. ALL NEW EQUIPMENT. IT WAS ALL AT END-OF-LIFE. THIS GOES IN SUCCESSION TO A MAJOR PLAYGROUND RENOVATION WE DID SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THE PARK WILL HAVE A LOT MORE WIDE OPEN SPACE. USABLE. ALWAYS HAVE

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I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONLY, LESS THAN A MONTH AGO. TO SAY IT'S BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS AND TO SAY THIS IMPACTED OUR COMMUNITY, FAR BEYOND WILL BE EVER IMAGINED SO QUICKLY WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT. THE PLACE IS REALLY LOCKING IT. THERE ARE COMMUNITY HOURS. ANYBODY, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED WITH DANCE CLUB CAN USE THE WALKING TRUCK. FOR DOING A TRIAL RUN OF THE HOURS RIGHT NOW. IT'S IN THE MORNING AND THEN THAT'S THE SCHEDULE, THE LIFE OF THE FACILITY BECOMES MORE ROUTINE WE WILL START TWEAKING THOSE HOURS. I CARAMEL CLAY PARKS IS SUPER EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO USE THE WHOLE FACILITY ALL SUMMER TO EXPAND THEIR SUMMER PROGRAMMING AND CHILDREN'S CAMPS. IT'S BEEN A GREAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DANCE CLUB AND THE CARAMEL CLAY PARKS AND REC. THEN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE USING IT FOR SOME OF THEIR PROGRAMMING. A RIVER HERITAGE PARK. IS NOT REALLY STARTED YET. THERE'S BEEN SOME STRANGE ISSUES WITH THAT. I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE AWARE THAT THE PARK IS ON PROPERTY OWNED BY UTILITY COMPANY WITH HUNDREDS OF YOUR LEASE AGREEMENT. THE UTILITY COMPANY STILL WANTS TO DO SOME UTILITY WORK. DOING SOME REDESIGN TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T BUILD SOMETHING THAT WOULD THEN BE IMPACTED BY UTILITY WORK IN THE FUTURE. YOU DON'T WANT TO DO CONSTRUCTION TWICE. WE DO ANTICIPATE BREAKING GROUND ON THAT VERY SOON. THE INITIAL SCOPE OF IT TO HAVE A PLAYGROUND IN THE STATES FIRST ADA COMPLIANT TRAIL THROUGH THE WOODS, NATURAL TRAIL IS STILL ACTIVE STILL GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. IT'S JUST WHAT THE FINAL LOOK OF THAT IS GOING TO BE IS STILL BEING TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT. ? PARK IS 100 PERCENT COMPLETED AND BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS. ANYONE THAT DRIVES A SIDE OF CARAMEL. THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES IN THE NEW EXPANDED PARKING LOT IS ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT. PEOPLE GETTING THEIR WELL WATER. THE RESTROOM FACILITIES HAVE BEEN A HUGE, HUGE BENEFIT TO PEOPLE.

ACTUALLY NOT USE THE REST OF THE PARK. EVERYBODY THOUGHT CLINT WILL PARK WHICH IS FLOWING WELL. NEVER REALLY SAW THE REST OF THE PARK. IT'S A HUGE PARK WITH GREAT TRAILS.

ABOUT 50 PERCENT OF THE PROJECT WAS STABILIZING THE BANKS ON COAL CREEK. THEY WERE ALL FALLING IN DUE TO A NUMBER OF ISSUES. MUST ADJUST DEVELOPMENT AND INCREASED WATER FLOW THROUGH THERE. IT IS OFTEN STABILIZED AND BEAUTIFUL MANNER THAT MATCHES THE SURROUNDINGS AND IT'S REALLY A LOVELY TRAIL SYSTEM TO WALK THROUGH. THE JAPANESE GARDENS, PONDS, WHATEVER NAME YOU WANT TO GIVE IT. RIGHT BACK HERE IS GOING TO BREAK GROUND HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR 2. I SOON AS THE CONTRACTOR GETS MOVING. THE PROJECT HAS CHANGED MULTIPLE TIMES IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF WHAT IT'S REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE, THE TOWNSHIP'S INITIATIVE WAS TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A LITTLE MORE SERENE PARK WHERE PEOPLE COULD GATHER. EXPAND THE ROLE OF THE CULTURAL HERITAGE OF DIFFERENT NATIONALITIES WITHIN CARAMEL.

IT WAS DECIDED UPON THE EXPANSION OF THE JAPANESE EXISTING EGGS JAPANESE PARK WOULD CARRY THROUGH TO THE NEW AREAS. IT'S ALREADY SERVING HIS FIRST INTENT OF ASSISTING IN STORMWATER CONTROL. FOR DOWNTOWN CARAMEL. AND WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS THEN ADDING TRAILS AROUND IT. IT WON'T BE A PLAY PARK. IT'LL BE MORE FOR WALKING PARK AND REFLECTION PARK TO WALK AND ENJOY THIS WONDERFUL URBAN SETTING THAT'S BEEN BUILT ON HERE. KIND OF AN ESCAPE FROM THEM. CENTRAL PARK ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS. THE TOWNSHIP HAS COMPLETED THE CONSTRUCTION OF 4 ROUNDABOUTS. WHICH WE WERE THE FIRST TOWNSHIP IN THE COUNTRY TO CONSTRUCT ROUNDABOUTS. THE REASON WE DID IS PURELY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FOR ENTRANCE AND EXIT OF CENTRAL PARK, THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER. THE COMMENTS. THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC BACKED UP AND SAFETY HAZARDS TRYING TO TURN LEFT OF THE PARK AND THEN LEFT ONTO RANGE LINE ROAD WITH THE AMOUNT OF ATTENTION THE PART GETS WATERPARK WAS BECOMING A SAFETY HAZARD. WE PARTY SCENEDRASTIC DECREASE IN TRAFFIC COUNTS, TRAFFIC DURATIONS AND TRAFFIC

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THAT WAS DONE IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BONDS WERE EXECUTED AND IT IS IN SERVICE RIGHT NOW. THE MONON GREENWAY. THIS IS PART OF THE TOWNSHIP'S INITIATIVE TO HELP CONTINUE FOR THE CITY HAS DONE AT MIDTOWN. WE WANTED TO BRING THAT THROUGH THE CORRIDOR. IT CONNECTS TO THE JAPANESE PARDONS. AGAIN, IT'S A LINEAR PARK. AS PART OF, WHILE IT'LL EVENTUALLY BE OWNED BY THE CITY AS PART OF A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH CARAMEL CLAY PARKS. WHEN WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WAS DESIGNING CONSTRUCTION WAS DONE SO WITH PLENTY OF OVERSIGHT BY THE PARKS INEVITABLY THEY WOULD BE THE ONES MAINTAINING IT. WE TOOK SOME CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM FROM SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS OF THE MONON IN THE PAST. FOR THE PARKS WERE KIND OF CAME IN TOWARDS THE END ON HOW TO THEN MAINTAIN IT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE UPFRONT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE AND EASIEST LABOR, MOST LABOR EFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN WHAT WERE DOING. FROM CITY CENTER DRIVE, THE MONON UNDERPASS THERE ALL THE WAY TO CARMEL DRIVE. THE TOWNSHIP HAS FUNDED THE DESIGN RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PATH TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS REST OF THE MONON TO GET A FEEL FOR A DOWNTOWN URBAN TRAIL WITH PLENTY OF ACTIVATION POINTS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ENJOY. THE CLAY TOWNSHIP CHILDREN'S PAVILION AT A COCKTAIL GARDENS IS COMPLETE. THERE IS A CHILDREN'S GARDEN AUTHOR OF THE COUNTY PARK ON THE WEST SIDE. ONE OF THE THINGS, THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS WE HAVE RECEIVED FUNDS IT'S GREAT YOU GOT THIS CHILDREN'S AREA. AND THERE'S NOWHERE TO GET OUT OF THE SUN OR ANYWHERE FOR THE CHILDREN TO THEN GO AND HAVE LUNCH OR DO ANYTHING BUT WALK THROUGH A GARDEN. WE FELT THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT WOULD IMPACT ANYBODY WHO GHOST TO COX ALL GUARDIANS SPECIFICALLY ON THE WEST SIDE IT'S BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS. I-DRIVE BY THERE EVERY OTHER WEEK TO SEE. THERE'S ALWAYS KIDS AND FAMILIES HAVING PICNICS AND BRINGING FOOD AND ENJOYING THE PAVILIONS THAT WERE BUILT.

FIRE STATIONS 42 AND 46 OF THE WESTSIDE HAD AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.

THAT WAS IMPACTING THE QUALITY OF LIVES OF OUR FIREMEN AND WOMEN. WE WENT IN THERE AND DID A LOT OF PLUMBING REWORK, CARPET, PAINT, KITCHEN, FLOORING. SOME OF THE LUXURIES LIKE FUNCTIONING REFRIGERATORS, THINGS THAT ONCE AGAIN BRING OUR WORLD-CLASS FIRE DEPARTMENT LIVING CONDITIONS TO THE STANDARD THEY SHOULD BE OUT. WESTPARK IS ONGOING. IT'S BEEN A MIGHTY BIG PROJECT. IT'S RECEIVED $30 MILLION OF THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE MOST IF NOT THE MOST ACTIVE PARK IN CARMEL WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. IT'S A HUGE TRACK OF LAND. ALMOST ALL OF IT WAS DONATED. THIS CAN HAVE A HUGE, HUGE NEW SPLASH PAN WITH VERY INTERACTIVE. WE KIND OF FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN A RAVINE. LOTS OF FUN THINGS TO DO. NEW PLAYGROUNDS. THE PRO-MEN PAVILION HAS OPENED ON. ROAD TO CONNECT BOTH SIDES THE PARKS WHICH WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON THE SIDE BUT WE NEED TO GET OVER HERE THERE'S NO WAY TO CONNECT. THE MASTER PLAN WAS INCREDIBLE. IT'S COMING TO FRUITION. HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE FINISHED BY THIS FALL.

I WOULD ANTICIPATE PROBABLY LINGERING CONSTRUCTION GOING INTO 23. THE CARAMEL CLAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY MUSEUM, DEPOT AND ARCHIVE SPACE. I SAY THAT VERY SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE SEPARATE PROJECTS. THAT IS IN DESIGN. FINAL DESIGN. PROGRAMMING IS COMPLETE. THAT'S GOING TO BE INCREDIBLE ADDITION TO THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE MONON AND WHAT A TREMENDOUS WAY TO CONTINUE THE HISTORY OF CARMEL THROUGH THE STEW FACILITY. WILL HAVE COMMUNITY SPACE IN IT. IT'LL HAVE A ROOFTOP GARDEN THE COMMUNITY CAN USE. PLENTY OF

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WE ARE VERY EXCITED FOR THIS PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN CARMEL AND FISHERS, CLEAN TOWNSHIP ADULT ACCOUNT CRIME SHIP. THE RESULT WILL BE NEW ACTIVATED SPACE UNLIKE ANYTHING IN THE MIDWEST.

I THINK I'VE HIT ON ALL THE PROJECTS. IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS I'D LOVE TO ANSWER

THEM. >> COUNSELOR GREEN. >> MATT. I REALLY APPRECIATE AND I THINK WE ALL DO ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE IN YOUR CONTINUING TO DO FOR THE TOWNSHIP AND THE CITY OF CARMEL. POTENZA VALUE THERE AND IT'S REALLY HELPFUL. WE'VE GIVEN OUT SOME GREAT INFORMATION. DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE PRESENTATION?

>> YEAH I COULD SET IT. >> COULD YOU SEND A PRESENTATION. I LIKE TO SHARE

TO OTHERS. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR FINKAM? >> SO ONE POINT CAN COUNSELOR AASEN AND I SEE THE DETAILS OF THE BRIDGE. IT'S A REPORTER APPEARED TO HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT IT.

>> IT SOUNDED HUNDRED 26 STREET AND I WOULD SAY IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

>> AROUND HUNDRED 26 STREET? >> NOT REALLY. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON

BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW. >> IT'S NORTH OF THE HUNDRED 26. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN

CONVERSATIONS. I WOULD LOVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. >> WHEN I'M NOT UNDER NDA I

WOULD BE GLAD TO SHARE. >> WHEN HE SAID THAT, PLEASE SEND IT TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL.

>> NO SEND THAT TO JACOB. >> WHEN YOU GET INFORMATION WITHOUT PLEASE SEND IT TO THE

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WHOLE COUNCIL. >> APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU GUYS.

>> NEXT, OLD BUSINESS. OR LET'S SEE ? 6074 ? 22 AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA THIS REMAINS IN SPECIAL STUDIES.

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>> PUBLIC HEARINGS FIRST READING OF ERNEST C6 74 ? 22 UTTERANCE OF THE COMMON COUNSEL OF THE CITY COROMANDEL REZONING OLD PARCELS AT OLD BRADY STREET CARMEL FROM THE URBAN CORE

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C2/MIXED-USE DISTRICT.>> ANYONE HAVE EMOTIONS? >> MR. HOLUB FOR.

TRY TO MAKE THIS GO HERE. IT WORKS BETTER THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR KEEPING MOUNT/OFF.

IT'S ALWAYS HARD ON THOSE GREAT PROJECTS ARE UP AND THEN TO FOLLOW UP WITH ZONING. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MIKE HOLUB DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. I HAVE 2 REASONS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. IS IT OKAY, THERE NEAR CONTIGUOUS.

>> YES. >> THERE'S SOME IMAGERY THAT LINKS THEM AS WELL. C6 74 IS THE BOYD C2 RESULT. THESE ARE 2 PARCELS THAT ARE SOUTH OF ?. 4.4 ACRES. AS PER THE PACKET THAT WAS SENT. IT IS INCLUDED IN THE PAPERLESS PACKET FOR THIS EVENING. THE FORMER RESULT IS 5.3 ACRES ON WEST MAIN STREET. IT'S THE OLD CARMEL SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S EVOLVED CLEARLY OVER THE YEARS. IT'S PROBABLY BEST KNOWN TODAY FOR THE HOME OF ESTRICH DEVELOPERS ESTRICH DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDER. BOTH OF THESE SITES FALL WITHIN THE ORIGINAL OLD MERIDIAN DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT WAS MASTER-PLANNED AFTER A TASK FORCE STUDY LASTED FOR OVER A YEAR IN 1999. IT'S BEEN OVER 20 YEARS AGO. IT WAS A COORDINATED LAND-USE PLAN AND TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN THIS IS ONE OF THE PAGES FOR THE C3 PLAN TODAY THE HIGHLIGHTS THE CONNECTIVITY THAT'S PLANNED FOR THESE AREAS. THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BLOWUP.

YOU CAN SEE HOW THE SITES FIT INTO THAT AS WELL. DOCS, THE CITY ENGINEER AND REDEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. WE ARE TALKING NEGATIVELY ABOUT THIS AREA BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS DISCUSSED AND COORDINATED AND UNDERSTOOD BY FUTURE INVESTORS.

SO THIS IS THE AREA. THE OVERALL MERIDIAN DISTRICT AS IT EXISTED WHEN THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED 2000. THAT STUDY CAME ON THE HEELS OF THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT BUT THE CITY DID FOR US 31. PART OF THAT WAS THE EFFORT TO TRY TO GET AHEAD OF THE STATE WITH THEIR PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS 431. ALSO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS PLANNED AND WE HAD A GOOD FOCUS ON FORWARD THINKING EFFORT 431. DISCUSSION AND PLANNING WAS OCCURRING THERE IS THIS KIND OF TRIANGLE OF AREA THAT STRUGGLES OLD MERIDIAN AND 31 THAT HAD BEEN FORGOTTEN. THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT, LOOKED AT THAT. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT A DENSE MIXED-USE HOUSING AREA WOULD SERVE THE COURT OR MORE IN THE COMMUNITY WELL. IN 20 YEARS LATER, , 20 PLUS YEARS S LATER THE TRANSFORMATION IS PRETTY AMAZING. THERE'S A SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT AND THE OCS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL AS WELL AND MADE THE RIGHT DECISIONS BACK IN THOSE DAYS THE PLANET AND REZONE IT TO THE OLD MERIDIAN DISTRICT. THESE LAST 2 PARCELS ARE 2 OF THE MISSING LINKS IF YOU WILL. THAT REALLY WILL COMPLETE A LOT OF THE MAJOR TRANSFORMATION OF THAT AREA. BOTH OF THESE PASSED THROUGH THE PLAN COMMISSION WITH UNANIMOUS 8 ? 0 VOTES. WE DO HOPE THE COUNCIL WILL LOOK

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HEARING. >> I'M COULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:SIX AND 30 SECONDS. ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS REZONE. THEY STEP FORWARD.

DON'T RUN EACH OTHER OVER. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 AND 45 SECONDS.

COUNSELOR HANNON? >> THINK IT MR. PRESIDENT. DIRECTOR, THANK YOU FOR THE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND AND LOOK THROUGH THIS. IT DOES MAKE SENSE AS YOU LOOK OUT AND THEN, COME BACK IN. ADEQUATE QUESTION ON THIS DIAGRAM. JUST SOUTH OF THE LOWER PARCEL THERE IS THE VFW AND I FORGET THE NAME OF THE HOTEL THERE. WHAT'S THE ZONING OF THE PARCEL

BEHIND THE VFW AND SOUTH OF THIS PROPOSED REZONE? >> THAT IS STILL ZONED

RESIDENTIAL. IT'S CONTROLLED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. >> DOES THE SCHOOL ON THAT?

>> YES. >> ARE THEY KEEPING THAT AS A BUFFER AS FAR AS WE KNOW?

>> WILL, THERE'S A LOT LARGER WOODED TRUCK THAT ADJOINS THAT. I CAN PULL UP THE AERIAL IF

YOU'D LIKE. TO GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA FOR THAT. >> WE COULD TALK OFF-LINE. I JUST WONDERED WHO OWN THE PARCEL AND RIGHT NOW HE SAID IT WAS THE SCHOOL. YOU SAID

THERE'S NO ACCESS EXCEPT THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONE. >> THAT IS CORRECT. WE'VE OFTEN FELT, THERE'S A NAME FOR THE WOODS. IT'S USED BY THE SCHOOL KIND OF A OF ENVIRONMENTAL LAW. THIS IS ALL PART OF IT. SO, WE DON'T THINK IT WILL DEVELOP. WE THINK IT

SHOULD STAY WITH THE SCHOOLS. >> OKAY. AS A C2 THIS GOES THROUGH CRC, NOT THE PLAN

COMMISSION? OR ANY PLANS? IS THAT CORRECT? >> IT'S PARTIALLY CORRECT.

THERE IS A PLAN COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING. THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. THERE'S A DETAILED TAX REVIEW THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT OCCURS THROUGH THE NORMAL TAX CHANNELS. THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT OCCURS IS HELD BY THE PLAN COMMISSION HEARING OFFICER. WHICH IS, THERE IS NO PUBLIC NOTICE. AND PUBLIC HEARING THE GOES ALONG WITH THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNSELOR WORRELL?

>> JUST IN THE SPIRIT OF FULL TRANSPARENCY AND AS A REPRESENTATIVE IN THE CRC WE DID VOTE TO CREATE THE ALLOCATION AREAS FOR BOTH OF THESE PARCELS AT OUR MEETING.

AT THE CRC MEETING. >> I WANT TO POINT OUT REAL QUICK SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THE VFW. I HAVE SOMEONE PULL ME ASIDE THE OTHER DAY AND SAID, SOME OF THEM WEREN'T HAPPY ABOUT THE HOTEL WHEN IT FIRST WENT IN. I KNOW IT'S A HUGE SOURCE OF BUSINESS FOR THEM.

I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVE THAT WE SUSPEND THE RULES AND VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING. . [INAUDIBLE] 8 ? 0. I CAN TAKE MOTION.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. MILES? 8 ? 0. A LITTLE DRAMATIC PAUSE THERE. THAT'S 8 ? 0. LIVING ON FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE C605 ? 22 TORRENTS OF THE COMMON COUNSEL BACK OF THE CARMEL CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA REZONING OLD CARMEL SHOPPING CENTER AT 1017 W. MAIN STREET CARMEL FROM THE URBAN CORE DISTRICT TO THE C2 MIXED USE DISTRICT SPONSOR IS COUNSELOR WRITER. THIS MORNING IS REASONS TO PARCELS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF WEST MAIN STREET AN OLD MERIDIAN STREET FROM THE URBAN CORE DISTRICT TO THE MIX C2 MIXED USE. 2 OF THE MOTION?

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND. >> YOU KINDA PRESENTED IT BUT

IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY YOU'RE WELCOME TO IT. >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE

TO ADD. OTHER THAN THERE'S INFORMATION IN THE PACKET. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON

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>> COUNSELOR FINKAM. >> PUBLIC HEARING? >> OH, THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:11 AND 25 SECONDS. SAME MESSAGE FOR OR AGAINST? RUSH TO THE MICROPHONE. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 AND 40 SECONDS.

>> MR. PRESIDENT? >> YES. >> A MOVE WE SUSPEND THE RULES

AND VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING. >> SECOND. >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. WE

HAVE 8 ? ZERO. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVED TO APPROVEE.

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. 8 ? 0. NEXT WE HAVE FIRST READING OF INANCE Z672 ? 22. I SUCCUMB A COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA ESTABLISHING THE FLOOR PLANT UNIT DEVELOP DISTRICT SPONSOR COUNSELOR RIDER. ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES THE FLOOR PLANT UNIT DEVELOP MEANT DISTRICT ORDINANCE THE FLOOR AT PUD.

THE ORDINANCE WOULD RESULT THE REAL ESTATE FROM S ? 2 RESIDENTIAL TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOP MEANT DISTRICT ALLOWING THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD LAID OUT IN THE STYLE AND CHARACTER IS DISRESPECTED ON THE ATTACHED CONCEPT PLAN WHICH INCLUDE

SINGLE-FAMILY AND ATTACHED HOMES AND TOWNHOMES. >> MOVED INTRODUCE.

>> THANK YOU HOWELL. COULD DEFEAT MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD JOHN ? LAND-USE PROFESSIONAL ABOUT LAW FIRM OF NELSON AND FRANK. WE REPRESENT PUTNAM AND PARTNERS.

[INAUDIBLE]. THE PETITIONERS ARE SEEKING TO REZONE A SUBJECT OF THE STATE TO A PUD IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A UNIQUE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. TO BE KNOWN AS A FLOOR ON SPRINGVILLE THAT WILL PROVIDE A MIX OF HOUSING OPTIONS ALONG WITH HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED LAND PLAN. PITTMAN PARTNERS ARE RECOGNIZED FOR DESIGNING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. WITH A DISTINCT ARCHITECTURE AND COMMUNITY SITE DESIGNS WHILE ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS TO ASSURE THEIR COMMUNITIES ARE APPROPRIATELY TRANSITIONING WITH REGARD TO SURROUNDING AREAS. THIS EVENING WERE SEEKING FIRST READING ON A REZONING REQUEST THAT COMES TO THE COUNCIL WITH A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE REAL ESTATE IS IDENTIFIED ON THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH ON DISPLAY. INCLUDED UNDER TAB 2 OF YOUR BROCHURES. THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 18 ACRES IN AREA AND BOUND BY OUR 465 TO THE MEDIA ITSELF. AND TO THE IMMEDIATE EAST IS SPRINGVILLE ROAD AND LARGE-SCALE OFFICE DEVELOP MEANT EAST OF IN ADDITION TO SPRINGVILLE. TO THE NORTH OR SIGEL FROM HOMES TO THE WEST ACROSS THE WILLIAMS CREEK FUTSAL IS THE CEDAR POINT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. BY WAY OF GENERAL BACKGROUND. THE FLOOR.[INAUDIBLE]. FURTHER ON MARCH 15 THE CONCLUSION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REVIEW AS NOTED. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 8 ? 0. WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

AS ILLUSTRATED ON THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN WHICH IS ON DISPLAY. THE LAYOUT OF THE FLOOR ON SPRINGVILLE IS SENSITIVE TO ITS ROTTING BY INCLUDING SIGNIFICANT AND EXTENSIVE TREE PRESERVATION AREAS TO THE NORTH. ADDITIONAL TREE PRESERVATION AMONG OUR 465. THE GREEN SPACE AND COMMON AREAS AS WELL AS THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALKS AND INTERNAL NETWORK FOSTER AND ENCOURAGE A COMMUNITY WHERE NEIGHBORS ARE ABLE TO INTERACT AND ENGAGE WITH EACH OTHER WHICH RESULTS IN A MORE VIBRANT SENSE OF COMMUNITY. THE FLOOR ON SPRINGVILLE PUD SETS FORTH SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL HOME PRODUCTS THAT WILL RESULT IN HOMES WITH WELL-DESIGNED AND HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. ADDITIONALLY THE STANDARDS IN THIS ORDINANCE REQUIRE FINAL HOME PLANS TO BE IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE ILLUSTRATIONS WHICH ARE INCLUDED UNDER THE ORDINANCE.

THEREFORE, ELIMINATING ANY POTENTIAL MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE TIME WE COME BACK WITH DPA FOR THE PLAN COMMISSION. NOT ONLY ARE THERE WRITTEN A CHECK IT ALSO REQUIRES SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMICS FOR YOUR ADOPTION CONSIDERATION. ANY MAJOR ADJUSTMENT TO THOSE NOT THAT ANY HIS PLAN WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PROCESS RECEIVE COUNCIL APPROVAL. THERE WAS AN

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THERE IS LARGER IMAGES UNDER THOSE TABS 4 THROUGH 7. TEXT WAS ADDED TO ORDINANCE WHICH ADDRESS THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH HOME PRODUCT TYPE. PROHIBITING STORAGE OR CONVERTING LIVING SPACE IN GARAGES. AND AS SMALL AS OTHER TYPES OF MODIFICATIONS AS REQUESTED BY DOCS STAFF. FURTHER ONYX AND EAST WAS PROVIDED SOUND THAT IS ALONG I-65 WHICH THEY DID ON THE STANDARDS ARE WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE APPLIED TO ALL DWELLINGS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY CLOSEST PROXIMITY TO OUR 465. REQUEST. THIS IS AN IMAGE THAT'S INCLUDED BEHIND TIME-IN THE BROCHURE. IT IDENTIFIES THE TREE PRESERVATION AMONG SPRINGVILLE? THE AREA AROUND THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU WILL SEE HERE. AS WELL AS THE TREE PRESERVATION THAT EXISTS AMONG MY 465 THE WEST PERIMETER OF THE ESTATE. REGARDING PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION AND VEHICULAR PARKING AND BICYCLE PARKING. THE PATH ENHANCEMENTS WERE INCLUDED. THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT TYPES OF PATHS INCLUDING A PATH AROUND THE PROPOSED BONE. THERE ARE 370 PARKING SPACES WHICH INCLUDE CITY TO UNSEAT PARKING SPOTS CHEERFULLY DETAILED. PERSONAL ILLUSTRATIONS THAT SPEAK STRICTLY TO PARKING. THAT'S CONSIDERATION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ORDINANCES IN PLACE THAT PROHIBIT ANYONE FROM CONVERTING THEIR GARAGES.

EVERY DWELLING HAS A 2 STYLE GARAGE. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE SERIES CONVERTED INTO LIVING SPACE. GREAT SPECIFICITY IS PROVIDED REGARDING PROPOSED AMENITIES FOR THIS PROJECT. INCLUDING THE CENTRAL COMMON AREA AS WELL AS OPEN SPACE INCLUDING THE POND. THE EXHIBITS THAT ARE INCLUDED BEHIND TOP 10 OF YOUR BROCHURE UPDATE THE OPEN SPACE PLAN, ILLUSTRATIONS OF COMMON AREA APPEARANCE AS WELL AS THE RESPONSE ETC. COMMON AREA AND PHOTOGRAPHIC EXAMPLES OF OTHER PLANNED AMENITIES. ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENTS ALONG THE POND INCLUDED AMENITIES SUCH AS A PROPOSED VIEWING DOCK OVERLOOKING THE POND.

NATURALLY APPEARING ROCK FORMATIONS AND PLANTINGS TO ENHANCE THE NATURAL APPEARANCE OF THAT POND SPACE. IN CONCLUSION, AS NOTED THE FLORA PROPOSAL RECEIVED AN 8 ?.[SINGING] VOTE FOR THE PLAN COMMISSION ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES REPORT TO THE COUNCIL ON THIS MATTER INCLUDES ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AND A SUMMARY OF THE CONCERNS DISCUSSED THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS.

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GIVE YOUR OPINION PLEASE? >> YES, THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. I WAS THE PLANET THAT REVIEWED THIS PROJECT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS. WE FOUND THE RESIDENTIAL PUD MEET SEVERAL POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN. AS PETITIONER STATED. IT'S LOCATED IN AN AREA THAT HAS A NATURALBUFFER DUE TO WILLIAMS CREEK TO THE WEST. THE DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES A TRANSITIONAL USE FROM ZAGSTER 3 AND THE EMPLOYMENT NOTE TO THE EAST. A THOUGHTFUL SITE LAYOUT WITH PROFESSIONAL FRIENDLY STREETS, OR THE GARAGES ARE LOCATED OFF THE ALLEYS AND SHORT WALKS AND CONNECTED TO BETTY AFTER THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE OPEN SPACE IS DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AND ARCHITECTURE PROVIDES A VARIETY OF QUALITY HOUSING OPTIONS AND ELEVATIONS WHICH PROVIDE MANY DEVELOPMENTS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. THERE WERE 2 COMMITTEE MEETINGS AT 2 MEETINGS IN FRONT OF THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION. SOME THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS INCLUDE, THERE'S A CRUSH STONE PATH OUT OF THEM ON THE POND TO MAKE THAT MORE OF AN AMENITY FOR THE CMMUNITY. I RAISE PEDESTRIAN CROP 'S WALK OR CROSS IT WAS ADDED TO CONNECT OPEN SPACES TO THE ENTRAL PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE COMMON AREAS WERE ENHANCED WITH COVER BIKE PARKING, BENCHES AND AMENITIES THAT WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE IMAGES IN THE PUD. ENHANCED SAND MITIGATION WAS ADDED IN THE PEW DATE FOR THOSE UNITS THAT WERE THE REAR FACES 1023. AND SEVERAL CHANGES TO IMPROVE THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS WITHIN THE PUD. WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS ITEM TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. THEY VOTED 8 ? 0 TO SEND THIS TO YOU ALL WITH

THE RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION. >> IF YOU HANG AROUND IF COSMIC HAS ANY QUESTIONS. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:23 AND 50 SECONDS. ALL THOSE WISHING TOSPEAK FOR OR AGAINST MAKER WENT TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:24 AND 10

SECONDS. >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION AND IF NOT IF YOU COULD HAVE SOMEBODY ADDRESSING AT THE LAND-USE MEETING NEXT TUESDAY. TRAFFIC, DISPENSE A PEOPLE WHO EXPRESS CONCERN TO ME WITH TRAFFIC AND ITS IMPACT TO THAT SECTION ESPECIALLY PEOPLE HEADING SOUTH. OVER ZAGSTER 3. HAS THERE BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE?

>> THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY COMPLETED. IT WAS SUBMITTED IF I MIGHT ANSWER. IT WAS SUBMITTED TO CARMEL ENGINEERING AS WELL AS PLANNING DEPARTMENT. HIS PRELIMINARY. THE DESIGN OF THE ENTRANCE ALONG SPRINGVILLE ROAD WAS REVIEWED PRELIMINARY BECAUSE IT'S ON DEVELOPMENT

YET. BY CARMEL ENGINEERING AND CITY STAFF. >> ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF HOA'S WHO SAID HEY, IS IT GONNA SLOW DOWN OR ROUTE INTO INDIANAPOLIS VIA

SPRINGVILLE. ALL RIGHT. >> COUNSELOR CAMPBELL. >> THANK YOU. SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS SUBMITTED. CAN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? YES, IT'S AVAILABLE VIA LASERFICHE I BELIEVE TO THE DOCS LINK TO THE WEBSITE. WE CAN TRANSMIT IT TO STAFF AND ASKED JACOB TO

TRANSMIT IT TO THE COUNCIL. >> IF YOU COULD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR COMMITTEE.

>> THANKS MR. PRESIDENT. A FACSIMILE FROM ENGINEERING THERE TO WALK US THROUGH IT AS

WELL. SO I'LL ASK. >> WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE.

>> I ALSO I DON'T WANT TO SOUND HYPOCRITICAL. I MIGHT NOT BE THERE. IF I'M NOT, THEN I'LL

FOLLOW UP WITH YOU GUYS TO GET MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED. >> THANK YOU.

>> EXCUSE ME ON THE COURTYARD HOMES. ARE THOSE ALL THE SAME SIZE? OR ARE THERE DIFFERENT

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SQUARE FOOTAGE IS? >> THE VERBAL SIZES. THERE'S A MINIMUM STANDARD IN THE

ORDINANCE BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE. >> HOW MANY OTHERS ARE THERE?

>> THERE IDENTIFIED ON THE WEST PERIMETER AS 10. >> ALL RIGHT. ALEXIA, I WAS WONDERING IF WHEN YOU SAY THAT THIS PROJECT NEEDS THE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT NOW UNLESS YOU WANT TO. ON CAMERA. COULD YOU DELINEATE SPECIFICALLY FOR ME WHAT THOSE ITEMS ARE IN THE COMP PLAN THAT THIS PLANET MEETS. MAY BE WHERE I MIGHT FIND IT IN THE COMP PLAN. I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. AS MUCH ATTENTION AS COMP PLAN HAS GOTTEN OVER THE LAST 8 MONTHS AND WERE NOW SAYING THIS PROJECT MEETS THE COMP PLAN. I LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER.

>> YES I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. I INCLUDED A COUPLE IN THEIR ORIGINAL DEPARTMENT REPORT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I COULD GO THROUGH AND GET YOU MORE DETAILED.

>> I WAS WONDERING, DEVELOPMENTAL, DEPONENT PROVIDES A TRANSITIONAL USE DUCTLESS TEAR. IS THAT ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES? I GUESS I WANT TO BE SURE IT'S NOT JUST COLOR

COMMENTARY BUT, ACTUALLY MEETING THE OBJECTIVE. >> YES, I CAN PULL THOSE UP FOR

YOU AND SEND THEM. YOU WANT ME TO BRING THEM TO COMMITTEE? >> YES. IF YOU HAVE IT BEFOREHAND FEEL FREE TO SEND IT TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL. THEN HE WILL PRESENT AT COMMITTEE.

COUNSELOR NELSON? >> I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHO TO ASK HERE. I MIGHT ASK STEVE.

>> JUST ASK THE RIGHT PERSON WILL ANSWER. >> SO, THIS IS RIGHT ON I 465.

AND TRENT 23 ISLAM. WE CAN ALL HEAR I 465 FROM HER HOMES. WERE CLEAR CUTTING A LOT OF TREES. EES. ANDIT APPEARS HAT THOSE TREES NOT ONLY DID THEY SUCK UP A LOT OF CO2 BUT THEY DAMPEN THE NOISE. SO SOME OF THE CONCERNS I'VE BEEN HEARING FOR THE RESIDENCE AT LIVE AROUND HERE IS MORE REMOVING A LOT OF THE TREES. AND IS THERE A WAY TO ADD? I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE ADDING SOME TECHNOLOGY, SOME SOUND BUFFERING TECHNOLOGY.

>> THAT'S FOR THE INTERIOR OF THE UNITS THEMSELVES. WHAT YOU'LL SEE FROM THE SITE PLAN.

MR. NELSON IS, THERE WILL BE TOWNHOME BUILDINGS AT FLANK SPRINGVILLE ROAD WITH THE FRONT DOOR:-(IN THE GARAGE IS AWAY. THERE ARE TOWNHOME BUILDINGS ALONG 465 THIS AREA. IN A TREES TO THE TREES ON I-65 YOU'LL HAVE 3-STORY TOWNHOME STRUCTURES THAT WILL MITIGATE SOUND TO MUCH HIGHER DEGREE THAN ANY LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT SPACE FOR THE TOWNHOMES CONSTRUCTED. IF THERE WAS A CONCERNED RAISED TO THE NORTH OR WEST OR THE NOISE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS 3-STORY TOWNHOME BUILDINGS WILL ATTENUATE THE NOISE IN A MORE SIGNIFICANT MANNER THAN THE EXISTING TREES ON THE SITE. > SO REPLACING TREES WITH

BUILDINGS? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >>

>> YOU ASK A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THE SITE AND BEING HEAVILY TREED SITE.

>> YOU NEED TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> SEE PITTMAN WITH PITTMAN PARTNERS. WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE SITE, THE OWNER OF THE SITE HAVE A LOGGING COMPANY COME IN AND COME IN AND NOT CLEAR-CUT THE SITE BUT THERE'S A LAWSUIT THEY WENT IN AND RAVAGED THE SITE. THERE'S HARDLY ANY GOOD TREES LEFT. THAT'S ONE THING. ANOTHER THING THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT TREE PRESERVATION. TODAY, AS WE SIT TODAY THERE'S NO PROTECTION ON THAT SIDE AT ALL. SO IF YOU LOOK DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE SITE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 465, THERE WAS A FULLY WOODED SITE THAT ALL THE TREES WERE TAKEN OFF. WHAT WERE DOING IS WHERE PRESERVING TREES. TODAY, THERE'S NO RULES AT ALL FOR THOSE TO BE PRESERVED. ANOTHER THING THAT JOHN DIDN'T HAVE THE CHANCE TO MENTION IS, THIS IS INTERESTING PROJECT FOR ME. OUR PUBLIC WORKED ON THIS PROJECT FOR OVER A YEAR BEFORE WE EVER FILED ANYTHING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME AND IMPORTANT TO YOU WHILE AN IMPORTANT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS WHEN YOU ASK FOR PEOPLE TO COMMENT THERE WAS NOBODY THEN STOOD UP HERE TODAY. THAT TOOK A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK. THAT MEANT MEETING WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTH OF 96 STREET. MEETING WITH PEOPLE 5 MILES FROM HERE. THAT WERE, PEOPLE THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. ALSO AS YOU NOTICED THE LETTERS I SENT

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>> YES. >> OKAY, THANKS. >> COUNSELOR FINKAM.

>> I WAS SHOCKED THAT WERE GETTING A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT ON THIS PROPERTY. I THOUGHT FOR SURE IT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL GIVEN THE I 465 NOISE. I THINK IT'S A MUCH BETTER USE OF SPACE THAT ANOTHER 5-STORY OR 7-STORY BUILDING WITH ZAGSTER 3 FRONTAGE SO TO GET AND BIGGEST NIGHT. I WASN'T SURE WHAT TO EXPECT. IT WENT THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION SMOOTHLY.

I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU PUT INTO THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENED. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A QUICK CONVERSATION OFF-LINE ABOUT STORMWATER. IT'S LIKE A MICRO THINK I DON'T NEED TO WASTE EVERYBODY'S TIME FOR. OTHER THAN THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.

>> COUNSELOR AASEN. >> THANK YOU COULD NOT RUN THE SURROUNDING PEOPLE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WILL LEAVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I UNDERSTAND THERE SOUND MITIGATION WITHIN THE BUILDINGS OF THE STRUCTURE. WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND HOW MUCH SOUND IS GOING TO BE IN THEIR BACKYARDS AND THE OUTDOOR COMMON AREAS? DO YOU HAVE ANY PROJECTIONS ON WHAT THAT MIGHT

LOOK LIKE? >> WE HAVEN'T, WE DON'T OBEY PROJECTIONS, TECHNICAL NATURE OF GOING OUT THERE WITH SOME DEVICES. THE OPEN SPACE AREAS ARE DESIGNED IN SUCH A MANNER WHETHER SURROUNDED BY HOMES. SO FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S AN OPEN SPACE HERE THAT ISN'T ADJACENT TO 465 THAT SURROUNDED BY ALL THESE DWELLINGS. I'LL CALL IT PROTECT OR MITIGATES NOISE NOT COMMON AREA SPACE. LIKEWISE AS COMMON AREA HERE, CENTRALLY LOCATED TO THE SITE.

THE PLAZA SPACE THAT WAS DISCUSSED IS RIGHT HERE. ALL AREAS THAT HAVE BUILDINGS POSITIONED BETWEEN THEM AND FOR 65 AND THEN THE POND AREA WHICH IS AT THE FAR NORTH AND WITH THE TREE PRESERVATION THAT EXISTS SURROUNDING DOWN. THERE'S A PATH THAT WILL SURROUND THAT POND. IT'S LOCATED A LITTLE BIT LOWER IN YOUR ABOUT 500 TO 600 FOOT FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE. 465 IS ABOUT 20 FEET LOWER. THE TRAVEL LANES TO OUR PROPERTY LINE. ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT WITH THE 3-STORY BUILDINGS THEN THE OPEN SPACE AREAS INTERMIXED IN THEIR THE FAR NORTH END THAT IS SITTING LOWER. IT'S ALL DONE IN SUCH A MANNER WHERE WERE NOT PRODUCING OPEN SPACE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RECREATE IN SPACES THAT ARE

IMMEDIATE ADJACENT TO 465. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR WORRELL?

>> ARE REAL QUICK ONE. IF YOU GO FURTHER TO THE EAST THERE'S A PROJECT CALLED CRYSTAL LAKE.

IT'S BEEN THERE A WHILE. I'VE ACTUALLY SPENT TIME THERE. THEY HAVE A WALL. WHAT ARE THE ROLES ON WHO PUTS THE WALL UP? GOOD I ASSUME THERE IS NO WALL HERE, CORRECT?

>> THERE IS NOT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A HARD AND FAST RULE WHEN AND IF THE STATE WERE TO IMPROVE THE SEGMENT OF 465 THAT EXISTS ALONG THIS FRONTAGE. AT THAT TIME THEY WOULD DO A NOISE STUDY AND DETERMINE WHETHER A BALL WAS REQUIRED. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN OTHER SITUATIONS. WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S GOING TO RESULT IN THE FUTURE. WE CAN ALL AGREE IT'S WHEN THE STATE DECIDES TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT. NOT IF ALONG

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INCLUDE A WALL. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO MAKE A REMINDER THIS WILL BE AT LAND USE COMMITTEE ON MARCH 29 AT 5

PM IN THIS ROOM. OKAY? >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU STAFF.

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LET'S THIS ORDINANCE ALLOWS THE USE OF LEGAL CONSUMER FIREWORKS TO CELEBRATE THE FESTIVAL OF DIWALI. COUNSELOR WORRELL AND I WERE PUSHED BY MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY REQUESTED WE MODIFY POUR NOISE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR FIREWORKS DURING THIS HOLIDAY. IT'S A 5 DAY HOLIDAY.

CERTAINLY WE WERE LOOKING FOR THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE TO BE TO ADDRESS FIREWORKS ON ONE PARTICULAR DAY. IT DOES MOVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IT'S HARDER TO NAIL DOWN THE DATE. IT'S A RANGE OF DATES EVERY YEAR. THIS IS A FESTIVAL OF LIGHT FIREWORKS ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY CELEBRATION OF THIS. AND, I FEEL LIKE EVEN THOUGH I HAVE TRIED TO GET THE STATE OF INDIANA TO CHANGE THEIR LAWS SO WE CAN SET OUR OWN FIREWORKS ROLLS AROUND 4TH OF JULY WE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL FOR DOING THAT FOR 5 OR 6 YEARS NOW. WITH THE INTENT OF REDUCING IT AROUND THE 4TH OF JULY PERSONALLY. I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND IT ALSO GIVES SOME CERTAINTY THAT THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT DATE WOULD BE HELD SO THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE SUFFERING FROM PTSD OR OTHER THAT HAVE PETS OR BABES WHO DON'T LIKE FIREWORKS WE GIVE THEM SOME CERTAINTY OF WHAT DATE AND TIMES WILL BE EACH YEAR. WHAT I WOULD ENVISION AND HOW THIS WOULD PRACTICALLY HAPPEN IS JUST LIKE WE SAID OUR AND BE BE DATES EVERY YEAR. RESET THE STATE EVERY YEAR AS WELL. WITHOUT A ASK YOUR

SUPPORT OF THIS ORDINANCE TONIGHT. >> ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES ACT ON IT THIS EVENING. >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE SUSPENDED THE RULES.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE

VOTE. H ? 0. >> THINK EVERYBODY. >> 15, AGENDA ADD-ON ITEMS. WE

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