[A. Call Meeting to Order]
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>> GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE APRIL 19, 2022
[B. Pledge of Allegiance]
MEETING OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION.WOULD WE ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE EVER ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.
[C. Roll Call]
THANK YOU. MR. SECRETARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE?[D. Declaration of Quorum]
>> WE HAVE A AQUARIUM. TH WE HAVE A QUORUM, THANK YOU.
[E. Approval of Minutes]
APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 22 MEETING.>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR THE MIPPEDZ AS CIRCULATED SAY "AYE."
[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report]
MINUTES ARE APPROVED. COMMUNICATIONS BILLS, EXPENDITURES, REPORT OF LEGAL COUNSEL.>> A COUPLE OF CONFIRM TRIRESOLUTIONS FROM CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. I BELIEVE MISS DAWSON IS HERE TO
PRESENT? >> GOOD EVENING, HELLO AGAIN.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAD ABCD ON THE AGENDA TODAY HAS BEEN POSTPONED. I'LL ADDRESS THE RESOLUTIONS B, C, D UNDER ITEM F OWE YOUR AGENDA.
THESE ARE BASICALLY THREE RESOLUTIONS COPYING FROM THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO CREATE THREE NEW TIP ALLOCATION AREAS RELATED TO PRIMARILY MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS.
ONE FOR THE FLORA DEVELOPMENT, ONE FOR CONCOURSE, AND ONE FOR WHAT IS CALLED ERS OLD MERIDIAN AND MAIN.
I CAN SHOW YOU. THERE IS FLORA, WHICH I THINK YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH. THIS IS THE CONCOURSE, WHICH IS A DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF THE WATER TOWER.
THEN THIS WOULD BE THE OLD MERIDIAN AND MAIN, EVERROSE GROUP IS DEVELOPING THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ADOPTED THESE RESOLUTIONS TO, IN THE CASE OF FLORA, CREATE A NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA AND ALLOCATION AREA. IF THE CASE OF CONCOURSE.
JUST CREATING A NEW ALLOCATION AREA WITHIN THE EXISTING OLD TOWN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA. THEN IN THE CASE OF ERS OLD MERIDIAN, CREATING A NEW T IT IF IN THE OLD ECONOMIC DEFECTIVE AREA. AS I SAID MANY TIMES, I COME HERE ALMOST EVERY MONTH. ANY TIME THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION CREATES OR AMENDS ONE OF THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO COME TO THE PLAN COMMISSION TO CONFIRM THAT WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY.
IF YOU APPROVE THAT, IT WOULD MOVE TOM COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY
QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, BRUCE.
>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I SAW FOR THE CONCOURSE AND THE OLD MERIDIAN. AMAZING, BEAUTIFUL.
WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE YOU USED FOREFLORA?
>> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T THINK THEY ARE PLANNING ON BONDING FOR FLORA, BUT MAYBE USING SOME OF THE TIF ON HAND GENERATED TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE MAYBE SITE IMPROVEMENTS OR RELATED INFRASTRUCTURES, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
>> THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COUNSEL? IS THERE A MOTION FOR EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY, OR AS A
GROUP? >> I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE AS A
>> THANK YOU, BOTH. ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING RESOLUTION PC-041922B THROUGHD, SAY "AYE." ANY OPPOSED? THREE RESOLUTIONS ARE DOMINATED.
THANK YOU, BRUCE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]
>> THANK YOU. ANNOUNCEMENTS, CONCERNS FROM THE
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JUST TO GO OVER THE OUTCOME OF THE PROJECT, THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE, WE HAD THE 111335 NORTH MICHIGAN ROAD APARTMENTS. THAT HAD 3-0 FAVORABLE BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION TONIGHT. THEY HAVE DECIDED TO TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING TO MAY 17, FOR MORE TIME AND CONSIDERATION ON ITEMS. THEY WILL BE BACK TO US ON BUSINESS NEXT MONTH. IF ANYBODY WAS HERE FOR THAT ITEM, IT WILL NOT BE HEARD AS OLD BUSINESS TONIGHT.
THAT WILL BE POSTPONED TO MAY 17.
THE SECOND ITEM WAS THE OVERWEISS WOOD GRAIN PIZZERIA.
THERE IS A 3-0 FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL PLAN COMMISSION. THEY WILL BE HEARD AS OLD BUSINESS. THEN CULVER'S WAS DISCUSSED AND CONTINUED TO MAY 5 COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE.
THERE WERE NO ITEMS ON RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE.
SO THAT MEETING WAS CANCELED. JUST TO GO OVER THE ITEMS THAT ARE TABLED TONIGHT, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS NOW.
THE 5-10 SUBDIVISION AMENDMENT IS TABLED TO MAY 17.
IF YOU ARE HERE FOR A 10 SUBDIVISION, IT IS POSTPONED TO MAY 17. UNDER OUR OLD BUSINESS, ALSO TABLED TO MAY 10 IS THE 11335 NORTH MICHIGAN ROAD APARTMENTS.
THEN WE DID HAVE AN ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS BUT THAT HAS BEEN POSTPONED AS WELL TO IT THE MAY 5 COMMITTEE MEETING.
THAT WAS THE OSWALD FITNESS. SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE.
[I. Old Business]
THANK YOU, RACHEL. STHOOP TAKES US TO THE OLD BUSINESS PORTION OF OUR AGENDAS. THE FIRST DOCKET IS POX PZ, 247 Z, THE STEADMAN, VARIANCE FROM PUD, SECTION 13.9. D WHICH REQUIRES RIDE IN, RIDE OUT ACCESS BUT FULL ACCESS ON 111.THE APPLICANT SEEKS VARIANCE FOR A NEW APARTMENT COMMUNITY CONSIST OF -- OM 12.5 ABLERS WITH ZONING IS BRIDGES, PUD UNDER ZONING. JON DOBOSIEWICZ ON BEHALF OF CITY SCAID RESIDENTIAL LLC. JON?
>> TO CLARIFY, IT DESCRIBES THE ENTIRE PROJECT BEFORE US TONIGHT IS SIMPLY THE VARIANCE FOR REQUIREMENT OF RIGHT-IN,
RIGHT-OUT ACCESS. >> THANK YOU, JON DOBOSIEWICZ, WE REPRESENT CITYSCAPE RESIDENTIAL WITH REGARD TO THIS REQUEST. TO SET THE STAGE WHERE WE ARE AT, THERE WAS A MOTION MADE BY THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE AT YOUR LAST MEETING. THAT MOTION DIDN'T CLEAR, 4-2.
THE MATTER WAS FORWARDED TO THIS MEETING FOR CONSIDERATION.
AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR THAT MEETING, ONE OR MORE COMMISSION MEMBERS ASKED THAT PERHAPS THE CITY ENGINEER WOULD COME. I SEE HIM PRESENT THIS EVENING.
IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER A NEW MOTION MORE APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN AS RECOMMENDED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WEAPON PROVIDED A BRIEF SUMMARY THAT SETS THE STAGE FOR THAT QUESTION.
INCLUDING A SITE PLAN, BLOW-UP OF THAT AREA WHICH INCLUDES THE ROUND-ABOUT. THEN THE LETTER THAT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE, I BELIEVE, REVIEWED AT ITS MEETING PRIOR TO THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, IS THE LAST PAGE OF THAT HANDOUT. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT, I THINK ADDRESS THOSE, OR AGAIN WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF THE
VARIANCE AS SUBMITTED. >> THANK YOU, JON.
SOP THIS NEW STREET WILL CONNECT TO 111 STREET AT THE INTERSECTION. THE BRIDGES PUD SHOWS THIS IT STREET CONNECTING TO 111 FURTHER TO THE WEST AND BEING A RIGHT-IN AND RIGHT-OUT. THIS VARIANCE IS REQUESTED FOR FULL ACCESS. THE ENGINEER HAS REQUESTED A MINI ROUNDABOUT FOR THIS LOCATION AND IS IN SUPPORT OF THE VARIANCE. STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE VARIANCE AS IT WILL PROMOTE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE TRAFFIC FLOW.
RIGHT-IN, RIGHT-OUT IS NOT ALWAYS OBEYED.
IS SOME PEOPLE COULD CHOOSE TO TURN LEFT IF THERE IS NOT A MEDIAN THERE. IT WOULD FORCE PEOPLE GOING EAST
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ON 111 TO GO WEST TO SPRING HILL ROAD AN GO AROUND THAT ROUNDABOUT AND THEN CUT BACK ÚEAST.THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD ACT AS A TRAFFIC CALMING FEATURE AS WELL AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR DRIVERS EXITING THE SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH OF SPRING HILL PLACE. WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE PLAN COMMISSION VOTE TO APPROVE THIS ITEM THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU. >> THIS DID NOT GO BACK TO COMMITTEE. SO THERE IS NO COMMITTEE.
QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
>> MR. PRESIDENT? >> MR. RIDER, I WOULD LIKE FOR JEREMY TO POP UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
MR. CASHMAN, IF THIS WERE NOT APPROVED, WOULD THE CITY STILL BUILD A ROUND-ABOUT THERE? LONG TERM, WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER CONSTRUCTING A ROUNDABOUT HERE.
AS THE PETITIONER CAME TO US ASKING IF THEY COULD MODIFY AND ALIGN THE DRIVE ENTRANCE. THAT'S WHEN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT HERE.
THE INITIAL CONCEPT WAS SMALLER. WE HAD HAD CHANCE TO REFINE THAT. THAT IS THE NORMAL PROCESS AS THINGS WORK THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND WORK THROUGH CONSTRUCTION DETAILS. I KNEW THERE WAS SOME CONCERN OVER THE SIZE OF THE ROUNDABOUT TO BEGIN WITH.
WE WERE SIZION THE ROUND-- SIZING THE ROUNDABOUT SO A BUS COULD UNDERTAKE IT THROUGH WITHOUT HAVING A TRAVERSE THE CENTRAL ISLAND. WHEN I SAY "CENTRAL ISLAND," THE TRUCK APRON OF THE CENTRAL ISLAND.
THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE WITH CERTAIN TRUCKS MAKING THAT MOVEMENT. I DON'T ANTICIPATE A HEAVY VOLUME OF TRUCKS ON THIS SECTION OF ROADWAY, SINCE WE HAVE A ROBUST STREET NETWORK SURROUNDING IT.
THIS WOULD NOT BE THE SMALLEST ROUNDABOUT WE HAVE THE CITY.
WE ARE TARGETING 80-FOOT DIAMETER, OUTER CURB TO OUTER CURB. WE HAVE ANOTHER 80-FOOT DIAMETER ROUNDABOUT AND WE HAVE A 50-FOOT DIAMETER.
>> DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATED COST OF THE ROUNDABOUT?
WHAT IS A BALLPARK ESTIMATE. >> I HAVE NOT DONE IT BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE SOMEWHERE IN THE $500,000 RANGE OR SO.
I WOULD RATHER USE THE $75,000 THAN US.
THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL OF MY QUESTIONS FOR
YOU. >> MR. CASHMAN, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. I'M SURE YOU HAD NOTHING ELSE ON YOUR PLATELET. THANK YOU FOR COMING TO EXPLAIN THIS TO US AGAIN. IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, PETITION HER THE RIGHT-IN/RIGHT-OUT IN THAT DIALOGUE YOU SAID, A, I THINK A ROUNDABOUT IN THE CITY'S RIGHT-OF-WAY WOULD BE A BETTER ACCOUTREMENT, NOT JUST FOR YOUR PROJECT BUT FOR ALL OF THE ENTITIES, ALL THE SHAREHOLDERS
AROUND THIS AREA THAT ACCURATE? >> YES, THAT'S ACCURATE.
WHEN I LOOKED AT IT FROM LOOKING AT -- ESPECIALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH. WE ARE UP 5% OF THE TERMS ON SPRING HILL LANE ARE LEFT TURNS. WE KNOW LEFT TURNS ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS TURNS. SO THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS ROUNDABOUT, IT ACTS AS TRAFFIC CALMING, SO I EXPECT SPEEDS TO BE LOWER AT SPRING HILL LANE. THERE WAS CONCERN OVER HOW CLOSE TTHE ROUNDABOUTS ARE TOGETHER. THAT DOESN'T CONCERN ME MUCH BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE ARE SLOWING VEHICLES DOWN BEFORE WE GET TO THE OTHER ONE. THIS ROUNDABOUT WILL SLOW EASTBOUND TRAFFIC, AND THE WESTBOUND TRAFFIC WILL BE SLOWED FROM THE 1711TH AND ILLINOIS -- 111TH AND
ILLINOIS. >> THIS IS NOT THE CLOSEST SEPARATISTED ROUNDABOUT. THERE ARE OTHERS CLOSER SPACED
TOGETHER. >> ONE MORE QUESTION.
MR. CASHMAN, IF YOU LIVED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU OCCUPIED AN APARTMENT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND YOU WERE TO, LET'S SAY, TRAVEL TO TO DOWNTOWN CARMEL OR DOWNTOWN INDY, CAN YOU TEAL ME WHICH WAY YOU WOULD TRAVEL FROM THIS COMPLEX? THIS IS ANECDOTAL. I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU WERE GOING TO DOWNTOWN CARMEL OR DOWNTOWN INDY IS DIFFERENT.
>> GENERALLY SPEAKING WE ANTICIPATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THIS TRAFFIC GOING NORTH.
ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE TRYING TO ACCESS 31.
IF YOU ARE TRYING TO ACCESS U.S. 31 AND HEAD SOUTH, YOU WILL HEAD SOUTH, BUMP THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE A LOT DIFFERENT MODES IN THIS AREA TO DISBURSE TRAFFIC.
WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING ALL THE TRAFFIC IN ONE LOCATION.
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>> JUST PLAY THE GAME WITH ME. IF YOU WERE GOING SOUTH, HOW WOULD YOU GO TO INDIANAPOLIS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT?
>> GOING TO INDIANAPOLIS, YOU ARE HEADING OUT SPRING HILL.
JEREMY, WHAT WAS THE DIAMETER OF ORIGINAL ROUNDABOUT AT DUBLIN
AND SPRING HILL? >> OBVIOUSLY, DOORSET?
>> EXCUSE ME, DORSET. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THAT OUT AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND THAT OUT.
I THINK WHAT HAPPENED -- >> THEY WE HAVE SHORT MEMORIES
FOR MISTAKES. >> A POSTAGE STAMP COMES TO
MIND. >> THERE IS AN EXPERIMENTAL MINI ROUNDABOUT SIGN I WOULD LIKE TO GET MY HANDS ON.
THERE IS ONLY ONE OLD AERIAL PHOTO THAT YOU CAN FIND THAT HAS REMNANTS OF IT. IN REGARDS TO THAT, ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES SPEED. SPEEDS ON SPRING HILL AT THE TIME THAT ROUNDABOUT WAS CONSTRUCTED WERE -- I THINK WE HAD SPEEDS IN EXCESS OF 80 MILES AN HOUR.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING HERE.
I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T HAVE OUTLIERS FROM TIME TO TIME.
THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES OF THAT SCENARIO.
>> ADMITTEDLY, I WAS NOT AT THE LAST MEETING SO I MISSED THE DISCUSSION. ASSASSIN WHO CAN SUMMARIZE?
>> ANYONE WHO CAN SUMMARIZE THIS.
>> ONE OF THE NO VOTES IS NOT PRESENT.
I'M THE OTHER ONE. I WAS NOT CONVINCED THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH TRAFFIC FLOW IN REFERENCE TO JOSHUA'S QUESTION, COMING SOUTH OUT OF THE BRIDGES, THAT THE CONCERNS OF SOMEBODY ABUSING A RIGHT-IN RIGHT-OUT -- YES, PEOPLE DO THAT.
THEY DO IT ON ALMOST A DAILY BASIS.
BUT THAT'S NOT MERIDIAN. I DIDN'T SEE RIGHT IN/RIGHT-OUT WOULD BE DISADVANTAGE. I HAVEN'T HEARD AND OUTCRY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FROM THOSE FOLKS. SO MY POSITION IS EVOLVING.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> THANK YOU, BOTH.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING DOCKET PZ-247Z.
THANK YOU, JON. THANK YOU, JEREMY.
NEXT ITEM IS DOCKET PZ, DUEPPEDZ.
OBSERVER WISE, THAT BURGER JOINT, WOOD GRAIN PIZZERIA.
THAT IS LOCATED 10920 NORTH MICHIGAN ROAD, WHICH IS ALSO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WESTON POINTE BOULEVARD AND MICHIGAN ROAD. THE ZONES IS B-3 BUSINESS AND THIS IS LOCATED IN THE 421 OVERLAY ZOE.
JOE OBSERVER WISE HAS JOINED US BY SOME REMOTE CONFERENCING SOFTWARE. JOE, THE FLOOR IS YOURS TO CATCH US UP ON WHAT CHANGED SINCE YOU WERE LAST WITH US A MONTH AGO.
>> IF YOU WANT TO -- >> I'M REPRESENTING OBERWEIS FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT AT 10920 NORTH MICHIGAN ROAD.
WE PREVIOUSLY WERE IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS OUTSTANDING ITEMS, WHICH WENT WELL.
NOW WE ARE BACK IN FRONT OF PLAN COMMISSION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. JUST TO RECAP A FEW OF THE ITEMS WE WENT THROUGH, I WILL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE TO SEE. WHAT -- THE ITEMS THAT WE HELPED REVISE IN ORDER TO IMPROVE ON THE POINTS WE HAD DISCUSSEDTY COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE. I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN HERE FOR YOU. CAN YOU SEE THAT?
>> YES, WE CAN SEE IT. >> OKAY, PERFECT.
ALL RIGHT. SO JUST A FEW OF THE ITEMS THAT WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH THAT WERE OUTSTANDING, MAINLY THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, OVERALL HEIGHT.
THE SIGNAGE AND THE MULTIPLE PARTS OF THE BUILDING, INCLUDING
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MONUMENT SIGNAGE AND WALL SIGNAGE ON IT.LANDSCAPE PLAN ITEMS THAT WERE OUTSTANDING WITH THE URBAN FORRESTER. A FEW SIGNAGE DETAILS RELATED TO THAT. OVERALL.
WE HAD FEW DECISION POINTS WITH THE ELEVATIONS.
ONE OF THE BIG POINTS IS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD MUCH MORE SIGNAGE ON A BUILDING THAT WAS TYPICALLY ALLOWED.
AFTER DISCUSSING WITH THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE AND ON OUR SIDE WE REMOVED THREE OF THE SIGNS ON THE BACK OF THE PROJECT FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS.
THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION LOOKING FORWARDS REN ROAD.
WE REMOVED THOSE SIGNS THERE. ARE NO SIGNS ON THE WEST ELEVATION. THEN WE REMOVED THE WOODGRAIN PIZZA ELEVATION, THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THIS BUILDING, LOOKING TOWARDS THE KINDER CARE. THAT IS NO LONGER THERE.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE ONE EVER EACH CONCEPT ON U.S. 421, THE WOODGRAIN. AND OBERWEIS.
THE OBERWEIS FACING WESTON POINTE DRIVE.
THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE BROUGHT DOWN THAT WAS IN CONSIDERATION AS WELL IS THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
WE WERE PREVIOUSLY AT 25-FOOT 8, AFTER LOOKING AT THE PARAPET HEIGHTS AND RTUS ON THE ROOF, WE WERE ABLE TO BRING THAT DOWN ABOUT 16 INCHES. THAT WE BROUGHT IT TO 24.4.
THIS IS STILL OVER THE 20-FOOT THRESHOLD, DUE TO THE ADJACENCY TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONE. FOR THE SOUTHWEST FUNCTION OF OUR CONCEPT, WE CAN'T BRING IT LOWER WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING THE CHARACTER SIGN OF THE PARAPETS AND JUST THE OVERALL FEEL OF THIS BUILDING WITHOUT CUT CANNING OUT SOME ELEMENTS.
TWO, CUTTING DOWN ON THE VOLUME OF THE SPACE IS CRITICAL TO STORAGE FOR A CONCEPT OF THIS SIZE IN SUCH A COMPACT SPACE.
WE DID THAT AS MUCH AS WE COULD. WE'LL BE SEEKING VARIANCE TOP APPROVE. THAT.
WE TOOK A STUDY OF SOME OF OUR TOTAL RTUS AND EXHAUSTING UNITS. REALLY, MOST THESE ARE PARAPETS ON THE LOWEST PARTS ARE AS LOW AS THEY CAN GO BUT THEY COMP THE UNITS FROM BEING SEEN BY PEDESTRIANS OR CARSEN IF YOU LOOK WEST, IT'S 207 FEET, WHICH IS THE WEST SIDE OF GREG ROAD.
BEFORE YOU SEE ANY OF THE UNITS FROM THE WEST SIDE.
THE EAST SIDE TOWARDS U.S. 421, THE PARAPETS ARE UP TO 232 FEET, WHICH IS ROUGHLY WERE THE EAST SIDE OF U.S. 421.
AS IT IS DESIGNED NOW, WE HAVE COVERAGE FROM OUR SIDE AND ANY APPROACHES ON THE STREETS AROUND OUR SIDE.
SO WE FEEL THIS IS A NICE AREA TO -- IF YOU START GOING LOWER YOU WILL SEE UNITS POP UP REAL QUICK.
SECOND POINT, OR THIRD POINT OVERALL WAS OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT WE HAD WITH THE URBAN FORRESTER, NAME LIVE THE NUMBER OF TREES AND PLANTINGS ON THE SIDE.
AFTER DISCUSSING AND BRINGING A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THE URBAN FORESTRY. WE HAD OUR 36 TREES REQUIRED BY INCREASING DENSITY. WE REMOVED THE MAPLES AS REQUESTED, WHICH WAS NOT ALLOWED BY CITY ORDINANCE.
THEN WE ADDED A NUMBER OF PLANTINGS ON TO THE ACCESS ROAD SO THAT VEHICLES COMING IN FROM THE WEST AND DRIVING EAST ON THE PARKING LOTS WOULD NOT BE SHINING THEIR HEAD LINES ON TO U.S. 421. WE DID THAT AS WELL.
ALL OF THOSE ITEMS FROM THE FORESTRY ARE RESOLVED.
THE FINAL POINTS, REALLY, IT JUST MAINLY DISCUSSING ABOUT THE MENU BOARDS. PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE BROUGHT UP THE MENU BOARDS IN THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE.
WE HAD A ONE MENU BOARD SIGN INSTALLATION WITH WHAT YOU SEE HERE, EXCEPT IT HAD SCREENS ON EACH SIDE FOR A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA SPACE FOR SPECIALS AND SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL MENU ITEMS THAT WE SWAP OUT, THAT WASN'T ALLOWED BECAUSE IT BROUGHT THE OVERALL THRESHOLD FOR ONE MENU BOARD INSTALLATION THAT THE CITY ORDINANCE ALLOWS. AFTER DISCUSSING WITH THE COMMITTEE, WE DID SLIP THAT OFF OUR WING SIDES INTO A SECOND PRESALE BOARD DETAIL INSTITUTION THAT WILL BE SITTING BACK PRIOR TO THE MAIN MENU BOARD. SO YOU SEE THIS IS WHERE THE
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MAIN MENU BOARD IS. THEN WE'LL HAVE A SMALLER ONE 8 TO 10 FEET FROM THERE. ROUGHLY A CAR LENGTH.EACH OF THESE, OVERALL, DOES NOT GO OVER THE 50 SQUARE FOOT THRESHOLD ALLOWED FOR MENU BOARDS.
IT'S 16 FOR THE PRESALE BOARD. 23 FOR THE MENU BOARD.
SO WE ARE WITHIN THAT THRESHOLD AS WELL.
FINAL 90 WAS COVERED WITH THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE.
THERE WAR PREVIOUS -- ON OUR SIGNAGE, THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF IT IT WAS OUTSIDE THE THRESHOLD. WE HAD 9 FEET ON THERE.
THE ACTUAL SIPAGE BOXES STUCK OUT THAT THE MASONRY FINISH OF THE MONUMENT SIGN. WE ADHERE ED THOSE REQUESTS AND BROUGHT THEM DOWN AND MADE ALL THE SIGN BOXES FLUSH WITH THE MISSENRY, SO IT DOES NOT COMPLY TO THE ORDINANCE.
ANY OF THE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS AND FROM THE STAFF AS WELL.
THANK YOU. >> JODY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO
ADD? >> WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECTS. WE WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY. I THINK AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME, WE ARE A THIRD FORMAT LIKE THIS.
SO FAR IT'S A BIG DEAL TO TIE INTO FAMILY FRIENDLY COMMUNITY TO BE A PART OF. WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
AS WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT, OBERWEIS IS BACK FOR THEIR FINAL APPROVAL. THIS IS A UNIQUE RESTAURANT CONCEPT WITH THREE FOOD CONCEPTS IN ONE BUILDING.
ERIC WENT OVER ALL THE ITEMS THAT THEY WORKED OUT AT COMMITTEE. JUST TO REITERATE SIGNAGE, THEY REDUCED THE NURVE SIGNS. THEY REDUCED THE HEIGHT OF THE GROUND SIGN. THE MENU BOARD.
THE SIGNAGE IS NOW IN COMPLIANCE IN SIGN, DESIGN, AND PLACEMENT.
THEY DO STILL NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE NUMBER OF SIGNS.
BUT IT IS NOW A BETTER QUANTITY THAT WE COULD SUPPORT BIDEN-HARRIED ON THE THEE IN ONE RESTAURANT CONCEPT IS AND MEETING PRE-SIGNS FOR THE RESTAURANT CONCEPTS ON THE FRONT OF THE THE BUILDING. TO THE DRIVE-THRU WAS DISCUSSED AT COMMITTEE AND WILL ALSO NEED A VARIANCE DUPE TO LUCAS ON A FRONT YARD. WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS VARIANCE BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A WAY TO HIDE IT IN BECAUSE IT HAS THREE FRONT STREETS.
THE DRIVE-THRU WOULD NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE SURROUNDING AREA THERE. IS ROOM FOR 16 CARS TO STOP.
ONE OF THE LARGEST CAPACITY FOR DRIVE-THRUS IN THE AREA.
I THINK THAT WILL BE GOOD. THE BUILDING HEIGHT WAS THE LAST VARIANCE THAT THEY WOULD NEED. 20-FOOT IS ALLOWED WHEN IT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. THEY ARE JUST OVER THIS RANGING FROM 21 FEET TO 24-FOOT, 4 INCHES.
THEY DID REDUCE IT AND LOOK AT THE THAT AND STUDY IT AS ERIC MENTIONED. WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS VARIANCE BECAUSE IT DOES HIDE THE ROOF TOP HVAC, WHICH WAS A REQUIREMENT TO SCREEN THOSE UNITS.
LASTLY, THE DESTINE OF THE BUILDING WAS DISCUSSED AT COMMITTEE. EACH POSITION AS IRA IRAN ITALIE STYLES WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE 421 OVERLAY.
THE WINDOWS ARE OF SIMILAR STYLE AND SCALE.
THERE IS EXTENSIVE BRICK DETAILING ON EACH FAÇADE.
DENTAL MOLDING -- DENTIL MOLDING AND BRACKET DETAILING.
THE MAIN BRANS IS CLEARLY DEFINED AS REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE AND IT DOES PROJECT OUT FROM THE FACE OF THE BUILDINGEN WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT AND BELIEVE IT WILL BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE 421.
THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS IN COMPLIANCE.
LIGHTING PLAN IS IN COMPLIANCE. WE HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
ALL ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE THIS CONTINGENT ON APPROVAL OF THE THREE VARIANCES OUTLINES IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT. THANK YOU, RACHEL.
THE COMMERCIAL CHAIR IS NOT PRESENT TONIGHT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ANYONE FROM THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE WANTS TO ADD TO THIS? I WAS THERE.
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I'M PLEASED WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AND EXCITED TO HAVE THEM COME INTO MY STOMPING GROUNDS.QUESTION? MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
>> TO THE PETITIONER, WILL I BE ABLE TO GET A BURGER WERE A SLICE OF PIZZA AND ICE CREAM ON THE SIDE WHICH RESEMBLES SCHOOL
LUNCH FOR ME EVERY DAY? >> SOP GLAD HE HAS AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. I'M LISTENING INTENTLY.
GO AHEAD. >> SO, SO ONE OF THE -- I MENTIONED THAT THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS SPECIFIC FORMAT, THE LAST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN VERY IMPORTANT, ACTUALLY GOES TO YOUR QUESTION. IS THAT YOU CAN ORDER ALL OF IT AT ONCE. THE BRANDS WERE INTENDED TO BE SEPARATE ORIGINALLY. GENERALLY.
IT'S HARD TO PUT THAT INTO WORDS FAIRLY.
BUT WE WOULD SEE IT HAPPEN A FAMILY WOULD WALK IN AND LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT PLACES AND THEN DECIDE HOW THEY WOULD SPLIT UP.
WE CENTRALIZE ORDERING SO THE ANSWER IS YES.
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET A MILK SHAKE O WOODGRAIN PIZZA AND A BURGER JOINT BURGER ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
>> YOU WILL BE ABLE TO STACK THEN ON ONE SANDWICH FOR ME,
THEN. >> I THINK THERE MAY BE HEALTH REGULATIONS AGAINST THAT. WE CAN'T STOP YOU.
>> MR. PRESIDENT. >> RACHEL THERE IS A COMMENT ON PAGE 7 THAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY. THAT HAD TO DO WITH MORE DESIGN WORK NEEDED FOR THE GROUND SIGN. THE REVISED DESIGN IS DISPROPORTIONATE ON SIGNAGE TWO COLUMNS THAT AN EARLIER COMMENT
THAT HAS BEEN RESOLVED? >> THAT IS IN REFERENCE TO THE CURRENT DESIGN. I FEEL THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN WORK OUT DURING THE SIGN PERMIT PROCESS.
JUST TO SCALE DOWN THE COLUMNS A LITTLE BIT, REDUCE THEM -- THEY SEEM TO BE A VERY LARGE UNPROPORTIONED DESIGN.
>> AT THIS POINT IT'S A QUESTION OF AESTHETICS.
>> YES. >> NOT TO OVERSIMPLE, BUT NO
VARIANCE IS REQUIRED. >> NO, NO VARIANCE IS NEEDED.
THEY WILL NEED SIGN PERMITS FOR ALL OF THE SIGNS THEY PROPOSED.
THAT IS ONE OTHER APPROVAL ABOUT VARIANCES.
>> FIRST TIME JOSH OTHERS THAT, I WANT TO BE WITH HIM WHEN HE
PUTS IT TOGETHER. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, CONTINGENT UPON THE THREE ITEMS FOR.
>> THANK YOU IT. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING DOCKET PZ, DUEPPEDZ. OBERWEIS, THAT BURGER JOINT, WOOD GRAIN PIZZERIA. I HEARD A CARDIOLOGIST SOMEPLACE
VOTING NO. >> WE HAVE REALLY GOOD SALADS.
DO YOU HAVE BLOOD PRESSURE MACHINES IN THE RESTAURANT? THE PETITION IS APPROVED. JOE WE LOOK TOWARD TO SEEING THIS PROJECT COME OUT OF THE GROUND AND A RIBBON CUTTING
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.
>> IF THERE IS NO OTHER BUSINESS FOR THE PLAN COMMISSION THIS MONTH, THEN WE WILL BE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.