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>> YES. I'M CALLING TO ORDER THE SEPTEMBER 19, 2022 LAND USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE MEETING. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF COMMITTEE
[a. Resolution CC-04-18-22-01]
MEMBERS. I WANT TO MENTION THE CITY DID SEND OUT NOTICE LAST WEEK THAT THE COMP PLAN WILL BE HELD IN COMMITTEE. THAT IS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING. IT WILL BE HELD IN COMMITTEE, AND THE AMENDMENTS CAN BE MADE TONIGHT.BUT THAT WILL GIVE, HOLDING IT IN COMMITTEE WILL GIVE PUBLIC ENOUGH TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE AMENDMENTS AND THINK IT OVER BEFORE PRESIDENT RIDER PULLS IT FROM COMMITTEE.
SO FIRST, I WANT TO START WITH ADRIAN KEELING.
SHE HAS AN UPDATED MAP OF ITEMS. ADRIAN, DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS
JUST SO EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME DRAFT, I'LL START BY SAYINGST THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH DRAFT FIVE.
AND THAT DRAFT REFLECTS AND HIGHLIGHTS ALL OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED LAND USE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE WEBSITE IS DRAFT FIVE, THAT THE LAND USE COMMITTEE HAS PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED.
A FEW AMENDMENTS. THE MAP THAT I AM SHOWING NOW, AND I'LL ZOOM IN IN A MINUTE, WAS... THIS IS BASED ON PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WHERE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MULTI-USE PATH PRIORITY LIST WAS, WAS ACCOMMODATED IN THIS MOBILITY AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN MAP. AND AFTER LOOKING AT THAT LIST, I BELIEVE I SENT THIS MAP MID-AUGUST, I BELIEVE, TO THE COUNCIL AND SUGGESTED A FEW ADDITIONAL MULTI-USE PATHS.
IF IT IS OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THOSE.
I'LL ZOOM IN SO WE CAN SEE THAT. HIGHLIGHTED ON THIS MAP ARE THE ONES THAT IN BLACK, THESE ARE THE TWO ADDITIONS THAT WERE MADE PREVIOUSLY. APPROVED BY THE LAND USE COMMITTEE. THESE ADDITIONS AND SEGMENTS IN THE MAGENTA COLOR ARE, ARE THE SUGGESTED ADDITIONAL.
SO THE FIRST ONE ON THE LIST IS ADDING A MULTI-USE PATH ALONG HAVERSTICK. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS ON THE PRIORITY LIST. HOWEVER, THAT IS A PROJECT THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER WAY OR BEING DESIGNED RIGHT NOW.
I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
IF WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDING A PATH... WELL, I'LL SKIP DOWN TO THE LIST BECAUSE ADJACENT TO THAT IS 99TH STREET.
IF WE ARE ADDING A PATH TO HAVERSTICK, WE BELIEVE IT MAKES SENSE TO COMPLETE THAT ACCESS EAST AND WEST TO HAVE A PATH ALONG 99TH STREET. THE PREVIOUS PLAN DOES SHOW A PATH ALONG 99TH STREET. ONE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WAS OMITTED UNINTENTIONALLY. THE SECOND ON THE LIST IS ALONG MAIN STREET... STREET FROM RICHLAND TO KEYSTONE.
PART OF THAT IS UNDER UNDER WAY WITH THE CURRENT STREET IMPROVEMENTS ALONG MAIN SREET. THAT HAD NOT BEEN ADDED TO MAIN STREET IN THIS VERSION. THIS DOESN'T SPECIFY.
WE WOULD SUGGEST PATHS ON BOTH SIDES OF ALL STREETS, BUT IT IS UP TO THE COUNCIL AND FUNDING- WISE, AND DEVELOPMENT-WISE, TO DETERMINE WHERE THE PATHS ACTUALLY GO.
THE ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY IS PARTIALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, I BELIEVE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
NEXT ON THE LIST IS... THIS IS COLLEGE DRIVE AS IT TURNS AROUND COLLEGE AVENUE OVER TO PENNSYLVANIA.
FINALLY, I MENTIONED ALONG 99TH STREET FROM WESTFIELD.
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BETWEEN WESTFIELD AND KEYSTONE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE?
OR COUNCIL? >> MADAM PRESIDENT OF THE COMMITTEE HERE, WHATEVER THE TITLE IS, THE... YEAH, YOU HAD MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THOSE ALREADY IN THE BUDGET AND PROJECTS KIND OF UNDER WAY. F AT LEAST 99TH AND 96TH. WHEN I WAS READING, YOU KNOW, THE MAP, AND MAYBE IT IS MY VISION, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT , SO GOING TO 116TH AND IS A PATH TO GET TO THAT AREA?
THE SAME ALONG CLAY CENTER ROAD? >> CORRECT.
>> 111TH AND FROM THE MONON TRAIL TO WESTFIELD OR RANGE LINE. THAT IS IN THERE?
>> YES. THAT INDICATES A PATH AS WELL.
>> COUNCILOR NELSON? >> I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT THERE IS A CONNECTION ON SHELLBORN GOING FROM 126TH DOWN TO 116TH AND THEN OVER FROM THAT AREA HEADING EAST TO WEST PARK. THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN CLAMORING FOR.
AT LEAST ON THE WESTERN DISTRICT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> COUNCILOR HANNON?
>> THE QUESTION ON THE ADDITION ... THE CONNECTION BETWEEN ROHRER ROAD AND THE MONON.
WHERE IS THIS GOING TO BE? THERE IS A PARKING AREA THERE
ALREADY. >> THIS WOULD RUN CONCURRENT OR PARALLEL WITH U.S.... PARALLEL WITH AND ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF
U.S. 31 TO CONNECTMENT. >> SO JUST BY THE UNDERPASS COMES INTO THE... NEXT TO THE UNDERPASS?
>> YES. THERE IS ALREADY A MULTI-USE PATH IN EXISTENCE THAT HUGS THE NORTH SIDE OF 31 BETWEEN CLAY
TERRACE BOULEVARD AND THE MONON. >> THERE IS AN UNOFFICIAL PATH FROM... I FORGET THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COMES OVER.
IT IS JUST NOT... I THINK IT IS, LIKE, DIRT.
THAT IS WHERE THAT CONNECTION IS?
IT WOULD RUN ALONG 31. >> THANK YOU.
OKAY. ADRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING
ALL RIGHT NEXT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, AND I BELIEVE COUNCILOR GREEN, YOU HAVE SOME YOU WOULD LIKE ■TO PROPOSE?
THE MAP. FOR A TYPICAL CORRIDOR.
THE FIRST IS, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND THEN MOST RECENTLY, AT A TOWN HALL MEETING THAT WE HAD ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO OR SO. TO GET TO FEEDBACK.
LAST LAND USE MEETING, IF, WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH KIND OF...
THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR ALONG COLLEGE AVENUE.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT SHOULD REMAIN A TYPICAL CORRIDOR OR NOT , AND HAD SOME REALLY GOOD DISCUSSIONS ON KIND OF TRANSPARENCY AND INTENT OF THE CITY, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT IN THE... AFTER THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WE MET WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD AND MEMBERS IN THE AREA, AND WE WENT THROUGH GIS TO LOOK AT WHAT OWNS WHAT. IT IS SOMEWHERE, IF YOU ROUND UP CLOSE TO 30% OF THE HOMES ARE OWNED BY KIND OF THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DEFINE THEM AS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY ARE DEVELOPERS. MAYBE THEY ARE LANDLORDS.
WHATEVER THE CASE. OVER 70% OF THE HOMES ARE, YOU KNOW, OWNED OUTRIGHT ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE OR MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE OUT THE TYPICAL
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CORRIDOR ALONG COLLEGE BOULEVARD.WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON THE E-MAIL AND OTHER... I KNOW I WAS LOOKING AT THE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND CAN YOU PULL THAT UP? YOU KNOW?
>> YES. ALONG THE LINES OF TRANSPARENCY.
ALSO IN THE TOWN HALL MEETING THAT WE HAD, ABOUT SOME OF THE INEFTABILITY SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THAT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE, IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA, IT WAS MUCH EASIER ON-LINE. BECAUSE THE DOTS UP THERE ARE JUST PSYCHEDELIC KIND OF. A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH. IF YOU LOOK REALLY AT... IT GOES FROM 108TH STREET ON THE EAST SIDE OF COLLEGE.
>> YEAH. AND THEN DOWN TO 104TH, 104TH STREET. SO YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO, YOU KNOW, STRIP OUT THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR FOR ALL OF COLLEGE. I WOULD BE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT TO THAT BUSINESS DISTRICT.
BETWEEN 108TH AND 104TH STREET.
WHEN YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN THOSE AREAS, THERE IS A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ALREADY IN THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS.
AND SOME OF THE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY LANDLORDS.
SO YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS LIKELY THAT THAT WILL BECOME SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL AROUND THE ROUND-ABOUT AND EXTENDING A LITTLE BIT FARTHER FROM THAT ROUND-ABOUT.
SO I WOULD BE WILLING... I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION, YOU KNOW, TO MAINTAIN THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR BETWEEN 104TH STREET AND 108TH STREET ON COLLEGE. BUT REMOVE THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR NORTH OF 108TH STREET AND SOUTH OF 104TH STREET.
>> CORRECT. AS A TYPICAL CORRIDOR.
>> I'LL PROVIDE A SECOND. >> YES.
>> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? COUNCILOR AUSTIN?
>> I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR GREENE FOR HIS FLEXIBILITY ON THIS. WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ON THE E-MAIL. I APPRECIATE TRYING TO GET SOME OF THAT IN THERE. JUST TO CLEAR SOME OF THIS UP, I KNOW WE HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ON THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR. I LOOKED BACK ON OUR DEFER MISSIONS OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAID.
I KNOW IT DOESN'T MEET ALL THE DEFINITIONS.
I DESCRIBES IT AS A PRIMARY EAST-WEST, NORTH-SOUTH SPROUTS THAT PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY TO COMMUNITY ASSETS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THESE CORRIDORS ARE BASED ON ADJACENT PATTERNS AND SERVICE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN PLACES.
EVEN AS MUCH AS YESTERDAY, I WAS GETTING E-MAILS ABOUT TYPICAL CORRIDORS ABOUT DENSITY. LOOKING THROUGH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS, THE WORD "DENSITY" OR UNITS PER ACRE OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT WAS NEVER ADDRESSED IN ANYTHING WITH TYPICAL CORRIDOR.
>> OKAY. SO THERE IS A TYPICAL CORRIDOR ... DOES THAT MEAN AN AREA IS A PRIORITY FOR REDEVELOPED OR IT MUST BE REDEVELOPED IF IT IS A TYPICAL
CORRIDOR? >> IT IS NOT... IT DOESN'T
PRIORITIZE... >> IT DOESN'T EXCLUDE IT EITHER.
>> IT DOESN'T EXCLUES ANYTHING. IT IS MEANT TO CONVEY WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN CERTAIN INSTANCES. WE KNOW COLLEGE IS CHANGING.
YOU KNOW, IT IS TRYING TO PORTRAY WHAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN , AND IF CHANGES... IF CHANGE IS GOING TO OCCUR, WE WOULD RATHER IT BE ALONG SOME OF THESE IDENTIFIED CORRIDORS RATHER THAN IN THE MIDDLE OF STABLE NEIGHBORHOODS.
>> AS I SEE IT, ONE OF THE BIG CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS IS THE TRANSITION PART. WHERE IT CAN BE SLIGHTLY TALLER OR HAVE SLIGHTLY MORE LOT COVERAGE THAN THE ADJACENT AREAS. CORRECT? THAT IS THE BIG DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC.
I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT. A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE WORRIED
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ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS. I DON'T THINK IT MEANS THE AREA WILL SUDDENLY BE REDEVELOPED AS A TYPICAL CORRIDOR.I WILL SUPPORT THIS. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR GREEN FOR THE FLEXIBILITY. A LOT OF AREAS WILL ARE ALREADY HAVE REDEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMING.
>> COUNCILOR HANNON? >> JUST TO CLARIFY, ALTHOUGH IT IS TECHNICALLY NOT EXACTLY DENSER.
IT IS 20% MORE LOT COVERAGE. IS THAT CORRECT? AND IT IS ONE STORY HIGHER, IS THAT CORRECT?
COMPARED TO THE ADJACENT? >> I'LL GO TO THAT PAGE RIGHT NOW AND SHOW YOU. IT WOULD SUGGEST ONE GREATER
>> ADJACENT. AND 20% GREATER LOT COVERAGE.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? SAY AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES 4-0.
COUNCILOR? >> I HAVE ONE MORE DEALING WITH THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR. IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE MAP AGAIN ON 50 OR 40, EXCUSE ME. AND I WAS KIND OF OPEN TO TYPICAL CORRIDOR ON 96TH STREET.
AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DRIVE... YOU KNOW, ON 96TH STREET OFTEN. ESPECIALLY WHEN 465 IS NUTTY, AND I HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET TO MICHIGAN ROAD TO GET DOWNTOWN TO WORK. SOMETIMES I DRIVE ON 96TH AND 106TH STREET TO GET TO MICHIGAN ROAD.
I DROVE BY 96TH. WE ARE TALKING JUST WEST OF 465 ON THE MAP. YOU KNOW, TO THE WEST.
YOU KNOW, NEAR DITCH ROAD. RIGHT THERE, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, CEDAR POINT. THEN YOU HAVE DEER CREEK.
THERE IS SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT ALONG THERE.
WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE SAME THING ON THE 10.
>> TH STREET. I'M FOCUSED ON 9 #TH STREET RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE REALLY CONCERNED WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, THE TRUCKS, THE LOTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS. WHEN YOU DRIVE ALONG 96TH STREET, THERE IS... I MEAN, YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT ALONG THERE. SO I TALKED TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SAID WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR? OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE AGAINST THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR. SO YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSION BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION: WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE IS TO TAKE OUT... I'LL DEFER TO COUNCILOR NELSON, WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT 96TH STREET WEST OF TOWN ROAD.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OUT THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR BETWEEN TOWN ROAD AND GOING EAST ON 96TH STREET TO 465.
BECAUSE AS... AGAIN, AS I DRIVE ALONG THERE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT THERE. AND THE IDEA OF A TYPICAL CORRIDOR WHERE SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL CAN COME IN OR AS COUNCILOR AUSTIN WENT THROUGH THE DIFFERENT AREAS, DOESN'T REALLY FIT WITH CEDAR POINT, DEER CREEK.
DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN THAT AREA.
SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO... I WOULD BE MOTIONING TO TAKE OUT TYPICAL CORRIDOR BETWEE 465 AND TOWNRODE... TOWN ROAD AND
96TH STREET. >> THAT IS A FORMAL MOTION?
>> I'LL GAVE SECOND IF WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
COUNSELOR? >> COUNCILOR GREEN, I THINK YOU ARE... I UNDERSTAND WE ARE WILL STAY IN COMMITTEE TONIGHT UNTIL COUNSELOR RIDER. 96TH STREET IS AN AREA WHERE THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET REALLY CHANGES A LOT AS YOU GO UP AND DOWN THE AREA. AND SO I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. IT IS TOUGH.
I DO SEE THERE IS AREAS WHERE I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE AS MUCH REDEVELOPMENT OR YOU WANT TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. THERE ARE DEFINITELY POCKETS OF THAT. THEN THERE ARE AREAS THAT, I THINK, MAYBE YOU MENTIONED WHERE THE SEASONS IS.
THE OLD COUNTRY CLUB. THAT COULD BE AN AREA FOR REDEVELOPMENT. MAYBE THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
SO I DON'T KNOW. I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO MAYBE HEAR FROM PLANNING ON THEIR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
I MIGHT BE OPEN TO SOME OF. THAT I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT.
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SOME OF THE WAY THE STREET IS BUILT IS REALLY NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE SAME WAY AS EAST OF 465, 96TH STREET.>> COUNCILOR GREEN? >> THAT IS WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH.
AS I DRIVE, I WAS, LIKE, NO, NO, NO.
THIS MAKES SENSE. THAT IS WHY.
I WAS SETTING UP THE MOTION THAT WAY.
>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMITTEE? ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE SAY AYE.
>> AYE. >> OPPOSED? YOU ARE IN FAVOR. RIGHT?
>> ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES 4-0.
COUNCILOR GREEN? >> I'LL COME BACK TO TYPICAL
COUNCILOR, HANNON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF... YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT 146TH STREET THAN I DO.
>> COUNCILOR HANNON, YOU CAN DISCUSS AS LONG AS KT COUNCILOR
GREEN MAKES THE MOTION. >> THANK YOU.
FOR SIMILAR REASONS THAT A NUMBER OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE TRIED TO EXCLUDE, TYPICAL CORRIDOR DESIGNATION, I'M PROPOSING THAT 146TH STREET BETWEEN OAK RIDGE ROAD AND U.S.
31, THAT THAT BE EXCLUDED. THESE ARE SOME OF OUR, YOU KNOW, MORE AFFORDABLE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. WE NEED TO PRESERVE THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU DRIVE ALONG THERE, THERE ARE SOME, AGAIN, VERY, VERY NICE, VERY AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOODS. NOT EXCLUDING ALL OF 146TH STREET, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT CHANGES IN CHARACTER SIMILAR TO 96 STREET. TO PROVIDE SOME MODICUM OF PROTECTION TO THOSE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.
BETWEEN OAK RIDGE ROAD AND 146TH STREET IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE BY THE COMMITTEE.
>> ADRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT? ON THIS? CLAY TERRACE IS CERTAINLY ALREADY IN PLACE. SO I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY HARMEL IN REMOVING THAT STRETCH FROM CLAY TERRACE.
THE TOWNHOMES WHICH ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT... ROHRER ROAD.
>> THAT WOULD BE PERHAPS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A TYPICAL CORRIDOR COULD LOOK LIKE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD JUST BE ALONG THE VERY FRONTAGE. ALONG 146TH STREET AND NOT INTO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THEMSELVES.
>> MADAM, THIS IS SOMEWHAT IN RESPONSE TO THAT.
THE NEIGHBORS ALONG THERE DO NOT WANT SEE MULTI-STORY TOWNHOMES ALL THE WAY ACROSS 146TH STREET WHICH WOULD REALLY PAN IN SOME VERY, VERY NICE AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOODS.
>> COUNCILOR GREEN? >> SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION ON 146TH STREET TO REMOVE TYPICAL CORRIDOR BETWEEN OAK
>> ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>> OPPOSE, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES 4-0.
OKAY. GOING BACK TO COUNCILOR GREEN.
>> LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING THAT WE HAD ON THIS ARTERIAL CONNECTOR. IF YOU GO TO FOCUS BETWEEN COLLEGE AND WESTFIELD, YOU CAN SEE THE DOTTED... YOU KNOW, TO THE RIGHT THERE. AND COUNCILOR RYDER IS NOT HERE.
HE PUT THIS INTO CONTEXT AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING.
IT'S BEEN ON HERE. HE IS VIRTUAL.
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OH, THEN HE CAN JUMP IN AND TELL ME I'M WRONG.BUT YOU KNOW, HE PUT IN THE CONTEXT, KIND OF HISTORICAL OF THIS BEING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A LONG TIME BETWEEN COLLEGE AND WESTFIELD BOULEVARD. THERE HAS BEEN NO INTENT.
IT IS ON THERE. IT IS A FUTURE FUTURE INTENT.
BUT HAVING IT ON HERE REALLY DISRUPTS ALL OF THE HOMES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. THERE IS LOTS OF HOMES ON THAT CORRIDOR. WHEN THEY GO TO SELL THEIR HOMES OR BUY THEIR HOMES, EVERYONE ALWAYS PULLS UP, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BEING DEVELOPED. AND RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO SHORT-TERM OR, YOU KNOW, APPARENTLY, LONG-TERM INTENT ON, YOU KNOW, BULLDOZING, COMING IN AND TAKING OUT THOSE HOMES.
BULLDOZING THE HOMES AND CONNECTING... PUTTING IN A CONNECTOR BETWEEN COLLEGE AND WESTFIELD BOULEVARD.
SO I'LL BE MAKING A MOTION OR I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE OUT THAT ARTERIAL CONNECTOR BETWEEN COLLEGE AND WESTFIELD BOULEVARD.
>> AND WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND?
FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I'LL SECOND IT.
>> OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> WHAT WAS I SUPPOSED TO SET YOU STRAIGHT ON? I DIDN'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING YOU SAID.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>> OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. ALL RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT. ON THIS PAGE 57, AND I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO COUNCILOR THANTON PUT THIS INTO CONTEXT.
UP NORTH ON ROHRER, THE CONNECTOR TO CIRCLE DRIVE AND
CLAY TERRACE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
IF YOU COULD BRING UP GOOGLE MAPS AND TOGGLE BETWEEN THAT AND SATELLITE SO SIMILAR PERHAPS TO KIND OF THE PHANTOM CONNECTOR...
THAT HAS BEEN SITTING THERE BETWEEN WESTFIELD BOULEVARD AND COLLEGE WHICH AS WE UPGRADE 106TH STREET,... I THINK OUR PRESIDENT RIDER SAW. IT IS THAT UNCERTAINTY FOR HOME OWNERS. RIGHT? I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S SUPPORT FOR THAT.
THIS ONE REALLY DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE WHAT THE PROPOSED CONNECTOR IS BETWEEN ROHRER ROAD AND CIRCLE DRIVE OVER TO CLAY TERRACE BOULEVARD WHERE I DO SUPPORT THE PATHWAY, IF YOU START DRILLING% DOWN INTO THIS AND KIND AT OF AT IS CENTER OF THAT, THIS IS... ONE, THESE ARE EXTRAORDINARILY UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOODS, INCLUDING KT CIRCLE "DRIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE MONON. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE WEST SIDE WITH THE LAKE.
A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE AND TREES IN THERE.
AND SO TO BASICALLY PUT IN A CONNECTOR BETWEEN ROHRER ROAD TO CIRCLE DRIVE WOULD TAKE OUT A NUMBER OF HOMES, A NUMBER OF GREEN SPACE. IT WOULD REQUIRE A GRADERATION IS... A GRADE SEPARATION ABOVE OR BELOW.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
FOR THE SAME REASONS BUT MAYBE BECAUSE OF JUST A POOR FIT, AS COUNCILOR GREEN SAID, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT CONNECTOR OTHER THAN THE ACCESSIBILITY THROUGH THE AGAIN, MY REQUEST WOULD BE THAT WE ALSO REMOVE THAT PROPOSED CONNECTOR BETWEEN, I GUESS, TECHNICALLY YOU WOULD IT WOULD GO FROM KT CLAY KT TERRACE BOULEVARD AND ROARER ROAD FOR
THROUGH THAT SECTION. >> ADRIAN OR MIKE, I REMEMBER DISCUSSING THIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH JEREMY.
WHAT WAS THE INTENT? WAS IT TO TAKE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC OFF OF ROHRER ROAD? OR...
I TRULY CANNOT REMEMBER WHAT THE SWENT INTENT OF POTENTIALLY DOING THIS IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE.
>> WELL, THIS WAS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY.
I THINK WE ALL LIVED THROUGH WHEN NORTH RANGE LINE WAS CLOSED, AND SIMILARLY, WE ARE KIND OF LIVING THROUGH SMOKY ROW BEING CLOSED RIGHT NOW AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AROUND TO... YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT CLOSE BY, SIMPLE PLACES WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OR BOTH OF THESE ... EITHER/OR OF THESE CONNECTIONS. SO ONE, IT WAS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY. THE SECOND PART OF IT IS ABOUT
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... WAS ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY, IF IT WERE EVER TO OCCUR. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT CORRIDOR ZONING ALL ALONG U.S. 31. PRECEDING THAT WAS THE U.S. 31 OVERLAY. SO IF AND WHEN THIS WERE TO BE ASSEMBLED, AND WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT IT IS UNDER ASSEMBLY FOR DEVELOPMENT OR EVEN SOMEONE CONSIDERING ASSEMBLING IT, IT WAS ABOUT CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT CONNECTION IF A DEVELOPMENT WERE TO OCCUR, WE WOULD WANT TO SECURE THAT RIGHT OF WAY AND/OR THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL CONNECTION.NOW, THE ENGINEERING THAT COUNSELOR HANNON BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, THERE IS DEFINITELY SOME CONSTRAINTS THERE.
IN THIS PARTICULAR SEGMENT, BETWEEN THE MONA AND ROHRER ROAD, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH DUKE ENERGY AND ITS SUB-STATION TO AT LEAST NOT... WE DID NOT SECURE ANY RIGHT-OF-WAY.
HOWEVER, WE WORKED WITH THEM TO NOT PRECLUDE THIS CONNECTION IN THE FUTURE. ALONG THE SOUTH EDGE OF THAT, OF THAT CONNECTION. AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'LL SAY THAT THOROUGHFARE PLANS, THEY DON'T FUND ANYTHING.
THE DON'T NECESSARILY PRIORITIZE ANYTHING.
THOSE ARE SEPARATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS AND BUDGETING ITEMS FOR WHEN THINGS GET IMPROVED.
HOWEVER, IT DOES CAPITALIZE ON OPPORTUNITIES WHEN DEVELOPMENT COMES IN TO GET THOSE RIGHTS-OF-WAY SECURED AND/OR THOSE CONNECTIONS BUILT. IF THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES.
SO THOSE... I MEAN, SIMILAR WITH THE 96TH EXTENSION BETWEEN WESTFIELD AND PENNSYLVANIA. THAT IS, YOU KNOW,... IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY IF SOMETHING WERE TO OCCUR TO GET THAT, TO GET THAT CONNECTION. MADE.
>> COUNCILOR HANNON, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?
>> NOT REALLY. AGAIN, OTHER THAN I WOULD WELCOME WALKING THROUGH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS AREA TO LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND LOOK AT THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF THE CIRCLE DRIVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE GREEN SPACE IN THERE AS WELL AS ON THE OTHER SIDE. CERTAINLYST,IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WANTS TO BUY UP EVERYBODY AND DO A PUD, BUT I THINK SIMILAR TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE CONNECTOR BETWEEN WESTFIELD AND COLLEGE, EVEN LAYING THAT PATHWAY DOWN IS CONCERNING. I WOULD MUCH RATHER KEEP OUR CURRENT TOPOGRAPHY, AND IF WE NEED BUSINESSES, PUT THEM IN
SOME OTHER AREA. >> MADAM CHAIR?
>> PRESIDENT RIDER? >> OVER THE YEARS, I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE ISSUES WHERE I TALKED TO NEIGHBORS ON "SEASON CIRCLE DRIVE. ADRIAN BROUGHT UP THE ONLY POSSIBILITY THAT I WOULD EVER DO A CONNECTION THERE WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY BOUGHT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS WE KNOW, NOBODY IS LOOKING TO DO THAT OR TRYING TO DO THAT.
DOING A CONNECTION THERE WITHOUT THAT SCENARIO WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC. THE STREETS ARE NARROW.
THERE IS NO CURBS. IT IS AN OLD NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS A UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE YARDS ARE REALLY COOL, AND IT IS FUN. SO YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY CAME ALONG AND STARTED TO ASSEMBLE, THEY WOULD COME TO US, AND WE COULD BRING THIS WHOLE THING UP. THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS IT EXISTS, IT WOULD MAKE ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE IF I THOUGHT ROHRER ROAD CONNECTION WAS GOING TO COME THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD SUPPOR THIS.
>> THANK YOU. WE TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE ASSEMBLING PROPERTIES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
BEFORE... THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT HAPPENING IS... OKAY.
SO I APPRECIATE THE IDEA IF THAT WOULD HAPPEN, YES, A CONNECTOR WOULD BE GREAT. WE ARE ALL, I THINK, IN AGREEMENT THERE. LEAVING IT IN WHEN THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT HAPPENING MIGHT JUST CREATE MORE ISSUES THAN IT IS WORTH. SO I'LL SUPPORT TAKING THAT OUT.
>> YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO WITHDRAW THE ARTERIAL CONNECTION AND CIRCLE DRIVE.
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>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
IT IS PASSING 4-0. COUNSELOR GREEN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO? ANY OTHER PROPOSED AMENDMENTS? FOR THIS EVENING? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
THEN I WILL HOLD THIS IN COMMITTEE.
AND LEAVE IT FOR PRESIDENT RIDER TO PULL OUT AT A FUTURE COMMITTEE MEETING OR FULL COUNCIL MEETING.
AGAIN, THANK YOU, COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME ON THIS. A LOT OF TIME WAS SPENT.
AND ALSO ON... YOU KNOW, THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF AS WELL FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME. WE HAVE NO FURTHER BUSINESS? WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.