Oct 18, 2022 Carmel Plan Commission

[A. Call Meeting to Order]

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THIS IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, OCTOBER 18TH,

[B. Pledge of Allegiance]

PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> OKAY. WILL THE SECRETARY

[C. Roll Call]

[D. Declaration of Quorum]

>> WE HAVE A QUORUM. >> APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

[E. Approval of Minutes]

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. WE APPROVED OUR MINUTES, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. ANY

[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report]

[PAUSE] >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ADRIAN KEELING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 3, THE CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE AND AMENDED VERSION OF THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AFTER SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT OCCURRED AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IN APRIL.

SO WITH AN AMENDED VERSION OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SIMILAR TO ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AND RESTONES, -- NOT REZONES, SIMILAR TO ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS ARE THOSE ARE CHANGED BY THE COUNCIL, THOSE AMENDMENTS NEED TO COME BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE THOSE AMENDMENTS. SO THERE WERE SEVERAL AMENDMENTS TO THE DOCUMENT, AND FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR, IT IS ALL AVAILABLE AT WWW.CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.COM WHERE YOU CAN LOOK AT THE PLAN AND WEBSITE FORM OR DOWNLOAD A P.D.F.SO I WILL GO THROUGH THOSE AMENDMENTS QUICKLY AND THEN THE COMMISSION CAN DECIDE. YOU DO HAVE 60 DAYS TO ACT UPON THE PLAN. THE COUP'S AMENDMENTS. IF YOU DO FAIL TO ACT, THE AMENDED PLAN IS ADOPTED AS AMENDED BY THE COUNCIL. SO THE FIRST SECTION THAT WE'RE, THAT WAS AMENDED WAS THE POLICY AND OBJECTIVES. THERE WERE A FEW REVISIONS TO THAT. THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL TO OBJECTIVE 1.3 -- 1.3.7, I'LL ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. THESE ARE ALL HIGHLIGHTED IN THE DOCUMENT. PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FROM DISSIMILAR ADJACENT USES WITH RESPECT TO SCALE OF BUILDINGS, LIGHTING NOISE AND OTHER INCOME PATIBLE IMPACTS. THE NEXT REVISION WAS TO AMENDMENT OBJECTIVE 1.5.6. THAT OBJECTIVE HAS TO DO WITH BURYING UTILITY AND COMMUNICATION LINES.

THERE WERE A FEW TEXT REVISIONS TO THAT THAT ARE SHOWN HERE IN PINK OR MAGENTA. THERE WAS A NEW OBJECTIVE ADDED ON PAGE 22. OBJECTIVE 1.6.17. ENCOURAGE THE RESPONSIBLE USE OF ENERGY THROUGH CONSERVATION OF ELECTRICITY IN THE NIGHTTIME LIGHTING OF NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AFTER NORMAL HOURS OF OPERATION. AND THEN FINALLY PAGE 23, FOR THE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES, THERE WAS THE PHRASE WHERE APPROPRIATE WAS ADDED TO 1.7.6 THAT ENCOURAGES MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS SO THE PHRASE WHERE APPROPRIATE WAS ADDED

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MOVING ON TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MAP, THERE WERE 3 SEGMENTS OF TYPICAL CORRIDORS REMOVED FROM THE MAP. 146TH STREET BETWEEN OAK RIDGE AND U.S. 31, ALONG 146TH STREET. ALONG COLLEGE AVENUE, TWO SEGMENTS WERE REMOVED. THE SEGMENT -- THIS BASICALLY LEFT THE AREA OF THE HOME PLACE BUSINESS DISTRICT SURROUNDING 106TH AND COLLEGE BUT REMOVED THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR DESIGNATION CORRIDOR NORTH OF 108TH STREET AND THEN SOUTH OF 104TH STREET DOWN TO 96TH STREET. THEN FINALLY, THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR WAS REMOVED FROM 96TH STREET BETWEEN TOWN ROAD TO I. 465. REGARDING THE THOROUGH FARE PLAN MAP, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF REVISIONS THERE. THERE WERE TWO PROPOSED STREET CONNECTIONS REMOVED FROM THE THOROUGH FARE MAP. ONE FROM, RUNNING FROM CLAY TERRACE BOULEVARD OVER TO ROAR ROAD. ANOTHER REMOVED -- PROPOSED STREET CONNECTION REMOVED FROM WESTED FIELDED BOULEVARDED RUNNING ALONG 465 OVER TO COLLEGE AVENUE. AND THEN THERE WAS A CONSERVATION CORRIDOR DESIGNATION ADDED TO RIVER ROAD BETWEEN 116TH STREET UP TO HALFTON WAY WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF PRAIRIE TRACE ELEMENTARY.

THEN FINALLY, THE MOBILITY AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN MAP, THE COUNCIL PROPOSED SEVERAL ADDITIONS OF MULTIUSE PATHS ON THE MAP FOR MULTIUSE PATH CONNECTIVITY STARTING WITH WORRY ROAD TO THE NONAN -- MONAN GREENWAY THAT RUNS ALONG AND NORTH OF U.S. 31. SPRING MILL BETWEEN 96TH AND 106TH STREET, HALFISTIC BETWEEN 96TH AND 99TH STREET. 99TH STREET IN THE SAME AREA, 99 STREET FROM WEST FIELD STREET TO KEYSTONE. COLLEGE DRIVE WHERE IT GOES OVER TO 116TH STREET OVER TO PENNSYLVANIA STREET AND THEN FINALLY,MAIN STREET FROM RICHLAND WHICH IS THE LIBRARY BASICALLY OVER TO KEYSTONE PARKWAY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WERE SEVERAL CHANGES TOOK PLACE OVER THE COURSE OF THE COUNCIL'S MEETINGS. I DON'T THINK A LOT OF THESE ARE A SURPRISE GIVEN THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED

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THE TWO REVISIONS THAT WERE NOT ON THE RADAR AS THEY LEFT THE PLAN COMMISSION WERE THE THOROUGH FARE PLAN REMOVAL, CONNECTIONS OF THOSE STREET REMOVALS -- AS WELL AS THE WHITE RIVER BUILDING HEIGHT. THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WERE NOT DISCUSSED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL AND ARE PROBABLY THE LARGEST CHANGE FROM HOW IT ARRIVED AT THE PLAN COMMISSION OR FROM THE PLAN COMMISSION TO COUNCIL. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER, THAT WE SET UP, WE SET ANOTHER MEETING EITHER BEFORE THE COMMITTEES SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID DISCUSS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. WE COULD SCHEDULE A MEETING PRIOR TO THE NOVEMBER 1ST COMMITTEE'S OR THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN NOVEMBER. HOWEVER, IF NO OTHER DISCUSSION IS NEEDED, THEN THESE COUNCIL REVISIONS COULD BE APPROVED THIS

EVENING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, ADRIAN.

ONCE AGAIN THE PLAN COMMISSION HAS UNTIL DECEMBER 2 TO ACT ON COUNCIL'S AMENDMENTS. OUR OPTIONS ARE TO EITHER AYE P■ROVE AS ADRIAN--APPROVE AS AIDEN MENTIONED WE CAN APPROVE THE AMENDMENT, WE CAN DISAPPROVE THE AMENDMENT AND THEN IF WE FAIL TO ACT WITHIN 60 DAY, THE AMENDE PLAN IS ADOPTED. IF THE PLAN COMMISSION IN THEIR MOTION OR RECOMMENDATION BELIEVES WE NEED TO STUDY THIS FURTHER, WE CAN SCHEDULE A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, NOT WANTING TO PUT MORE WORK ON YOU, CHRISTINE BUT WE CAN DO THAT IN ORDER TO ROUND THAT OUT. IN ANY EVENT, WE HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER 2ND TO ACT. WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE

COMMISSION? GO AHEAD. >> THE EARTH ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT TONIGHT.

AND I, I WILL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT I DIDN'T -- I THE REPORT AND I DIDN'T REVIEW ALL OF THESE CHANGES.

I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO CONVERSE WITH A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE SO THAT I'M WELL INFORMED OF WHAT WE'RE APPROVING. MY GUESS IS WE PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE MUCH OF WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THAT'S

MY -- >> I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WELL. I THINK THAT'S FINE. WE COULD ALL TALK ABOUT IT AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE ONE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE SO THAT IS FINE.

>> WITHOUT OBJECTION, I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT THE SECRETARY TO ARRANGE A MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, AND GET THAT DONE. YES, WOODY?

>> I DO WANT TO POINT OUT WHICHEVER WAY THIS GOES, WHETHER THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES OR WHETHER THEY DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES, IT WILL BE UNLIKELY THE COUNCIL WILL CHANGE ANYTHING THAT THEY SENT BACK TO YOU. THAT'S KIND OF MY ROLE AS THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. IF YOU ARE HOPING TO CHANGE ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE CHANGED, I RECOMMEND YOU REACH OUT TO THE COUNCIL. WITHOUT DOING THAT, IT'S GOING TO GET APPROVED THIS WAY. SO --

>> I THINK AT THIS POINT, I THINK THAT THE --

>> I AGREE IT SHOULD GO TO COMMITTEE --

>> PLANNING COMMISSION SINCE WE HAVE OUR NAME ATTACHED TO

IT -- >> I AGREE.

>> SHOULD HAVE A -- >> IT SHOULD GO TO COMMITTEE. IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT CAME BACK TO US, I WOULD RECOMMEND REACHING OUT

TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. >> THANK YOU. OKAY.

>> DO WE NEED A MOTION? >> NO, JUST DIRECTED THEM TO

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]

DO IT. >> OKAY.

>> THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA ARE REPORTS, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND DEPARTMENT CONCERNS. OUTCOME OF PROJECTS IN COMMITTEES. RACHEL.

>> THANK YOU. >> ARE YOU DOING DOUBLE DUTY

TONIGHT? >> ALL ME.

>> OKAY. >> SO AT THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE WE DID HAVE THE CLAY TERRACE HILTON TEMPO

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IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE, THE FIRST ITEM, 96TH AND HAVERSTICK PUD REZONE WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE PETITIONER AND THEN THE OTHER TWO ITEMS LISTED, WHEN WE PUBLISHED THE AGENDA HAD NOT -- THE MEETING HAD NOT TAKEN PLACE YET. BUT BOTH THE FLUOROAN SPRING MILL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE LEGACY PUD AMENDMENT REMAIN IN THE RES STEPS COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER -- RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER REVIEW. WE HAVE NO OTHER CHANGES OR ANNOUNCEMENTS TO THE AGENDA. YOU MAY

PROCEED. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL GET INTO UNDER OLD BUSINESS, THAT THE -- MORE IN DEPTH REPORT ON THE HILTON HOTEL. NEXT ITEM ON

[H. Public Hearings (Part 1 of 2)]

THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE IS DOCKET NUMBER P.

S. 2022-00169 D. P./A. D. L. S. CHIK-FIL-A-U.S. 421.

THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN AND DESIGN PLAN APPROVAL FOR A NEW RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH ON 1.97 ACRES. THE SITE IS AT 9965 NORTH RICH RICH ROAD. PREVIOUS LOCATION OF RED ROBIN, PART OF WEST CARMEL MARKETPLACE BLOCK F. IT'S ZONED B-2 AND IT IS WITHIN THE U.S. 421 OVERLAY DISTRICT. FILED BY JOE VAVRINA OF H. R. GREEN ON BEHALF OF CHIK-FIL-A. GOOD EVENING.

>> YOU TURN YOUR MIKE ON. IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WHO YOU REPRESENT.

>> IS THIS ON NOW? >> YES.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THANKS FOR HAVING US, I'M JUSTIN LURK, OUR PRINCIPLE DEVELOPMENT LEAD FOR CHIK-FIL-A, DO YOU NEED ADDRESS? OK. THEN WE HAVE, I'VE WITH ME JOE VAVRINA WITH H. R. GREEN, HE IS OUR PROJECT CIVIL ENGINEER. I KNOW WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA SO WE'LL TRY TO BE SHORT AND SWEET. I BELIEVE MAYBE EVERYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH CHIK-FIL-A, WE HAVE ANOTHER TO THE NORTH OF HERE IN VILLAGE PARK PLAZA SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TO POTENTIALLY TALK ABOUT A SECOND LOCATION IN CARMEL, ONE ON THE WEST SIDE POTENTIALLY SERVICE CUSTOMERS ON THE WEST SIDE OF YOUR GREAT COMMUNITY AS WELL.

I WON'T GO INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY OF CHIK-FIL-A AND TRY TO GIVE YOU AN 30 SECOND ELEVATOR SPEECH, WE ARE A FRANCHISE LOCATION, FAMILY OWNED LOCATION BUT ALL OF OUR STORES ARE FRANCHISE OWNED AND OPERATED AND WHAT THAT MEANS WE'RE A LITTLE UNIQUE FROM OUR FRANCHISEES WHERE YOU GET ONE LOCATION. THAT IS YOUR SOLE SOURCE OF INCOME. NO OTHER REVENUE STREAMS AND THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THAT IS FOR OUR OWNER OPERATORS TO BE IN THE STORES 6 DAYS A WEEK BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR TEAM AND BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE GUESTS AND THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY LIVE AND WORK.

SO WE HAVE OVER 2600 LOCATIONS NATIONWIDE NOW AND 48 STATES. WE JUST OPENED IN HAWAII A FEW WEEKS AGO SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT BEING IN OUR 48TH STRAIGHT -- STRAIGHT STATE NOW. WE CAN GO ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

LOCAL OWNERSHIP TEAM, A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK WHAT IS THE SECRET SAUCE, THAT IS IS THE SECRET SAUCE, OUR -- BEING THE MOTHERS, BROTHERS, FATHERS, SISTERS TO THE TEAM AND BUILDING THE TEAM MORALE AND ATMOSPHERE, WE'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK HIGHLIGHT OF THE PROJECTS FROM A STANDPOINT, SIGNAGE, ELEVATIONS AND OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSIONS.

OKAY. >> GOOD EVENING, AS JUSTIN MENTIONED I'M JOE VAVRINA WITH H. R. GREEN. GO THROUGH THE PLAN QUICK WITH YOU AND LANDSCAPE PLAN. A OVERALL VIEW. THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE SITE WHICH IS NEITHER CORNER OF MICHIGAN AND 99, THE FORMER RED ROBIN SITE. IT'S 9965 MICHIGAN ROAD. SO SITE PLANWISE WE'RE PROPOSING TO RAISE THE EXISTING BUILDING AND REDEVELOPMENT THE SITE WITH ROUGHLY 5,000 SQUARE FEET CHIK-FIL-A BUILDING, DUAL DRIVE THROUGH ALONG THE NORTH AND EAST SIDE OF THE SITE. ROUGHLY 88 PARKING SPACES.

WHAT, WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION OFF OF 99TH. WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION OFF OF MICHIGAN. FOUR TABLE PATIO, THAT IS TO THE SOUTH AND WEST OF THE FRONT OF THE

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THIS IS A NEWER INITIATIVE FOR CHIK-FIL-A.

THE ONE THAT IS CURRENTLY IN TOWN IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL LAYOUT WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE WRAPS AROUND THE STORE AND THE PARKING IS OUTSIDE OF IT.

THROUGH THE YEARS CHIK-FIL-A HAS FOUND THAT'S NOT THE MOST SAFEST CONDITION. THIS IS REALLY WHAT THEY RELATE TO AS AN ISOLATED WITH A DRIVE THROUGH AS ISOLATED FROM THE PARKING LOT SO IT SEPARATES THE GUESTS TRAFFIC GOING INTO THE BUILDING FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY MAKING IT A MUCH SAFER ENVIRONMENT.

THE DUAL DRIVE THROUGH LANE WHICH THEY COIN AS A FLEX DRIVE THROUGH WAS BORN OUT OF COVID AND WAS MEANT TO GET THE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE DRIVE THREW LANE QUICKER.

THE PREVIOUS MODELS WERE TWO DRIVE THROUGH LANES UP TO THE ORDER POINT WITH ONE SINGLE LANE UP TO THE PICKUP WINDOW. THIS ADS THE SECOND LANE UP TO THE PICKUP WINDOW. WHAT IT ADDS IS CANOPIES OVER THE PICKUP WINDOW AND A CANOPY OVER THE ORDER POINTS AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO PROVIDE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FOR THEIR TEAM MEMBERS AS WELL AS THEIR GUESTS WHEN THEY'RE PLACING PICKING UP ORDERS. DURING PEAK TIMES WHICH YOU WOULD PROBABLY SEE IS A NUMBER OF TEAM MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE OUT UNDERNEATH THE ORDER PAINT CANOPY TAKING ORDERS VIA IPADS TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS.

SAME GOES FOR THE PICKUP WINDOW SIDE. THERE WOULD BE A NUMBER OF TEAM MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE STATIONED UNDER IT. PHYSICALLY HANDING ORDERS OUT TO CARS THAT WOULD BE IN EITHER ROW 1 OR ROW NUMBER 2. THE OUTER LANE IS, THE REASONS WHY THEY CALL IT DUAL FLEX IS THE OUTER LANE GIVES THE OPERATOR FLEXIBILITY TO USE THAT FOR MEAL FULFILLMENT OR FOR A BYPASS LANE OR FOR THE MONEY ORDER WRAP. DEPENDING ON HOW THE BUSINESS MODEL IS SET UP AND WHAT BEST SUITS THEIR BUSINESS HERE THEY COULD USE THAT OUTER LANE AS, TO THEIR FLEXIBILITY. LANDSCAPE PLAN, WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE MAJORITY OF THE EXISTING MATURE LANDSCAPING THAT IS ON MICHIGAN AND 99TH. THE LANDSCAPING HAS BEEN WELL KEPT AND IS VERY BEAUTIFUL AND IT HAS TAKEN MANY YEARS TO GET IT TO WHERE IT'S NOW SO THERE IS NO NEED TO DIVE INTO CHANGING ANY OF THAT BUT THE AREAS INSIDE THE SITE WE'RE GOING TO ENHANCE AND WITH DIVERSIFICATION OF PERSONALLIALS, ORNAMENTAL GRASSES SHRUBS AND ADDITION OF TREES AS WELL.

>> THEN AS JOE ALLUDED, WE'LL HAVE TWO CANOPIES ON SIDE, ONE OVER THE ORDER BOARDS AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE SCREEN THEN ONE OVER THE DRIVE THROUGH DOOR. A NEW INITIATIVE FOR US THERE IS A DIVE THROUGH DOO AS YOU PULL AROUND TO PICK UP THE FOOD IT ALLOWS TEAM MEMBERS TO PACKAGE THE FOOD INSIDE THE BUILDING IN A SAFE LOCATION AND THEN THE DOOR WILL OPEN LIKE A RETAIL DOOR FROM THE MIDDLE TO THE OUTSIDE. TEAM MEMBERS CAN WALK OUT AND DELIVER THE FOOD TO YOU IN YOUR CAR IN LANE ONE OR LANE TWO. BUT JUST WANTED TO HIGH LIGHT THE CAP PIS HERE. THIS IS AN EARLY REPRESENTED -- RENDERING, WE'LL WILL HAVE THE COLUMNS WRAPPED IN BRICK, THEY'LL GO ALL THE WAIT TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE CANOPY. BUT ONE OF HIGHLIGHTS, WE MADE QUITE A FEW ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR STANDARD ELEVATIONS TO TRY TO ADAPT TO THE CARMEL CITY CODE AND OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR THE AREA. WE'LL CONTINUE WORKING WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT IS 100% AGREEABLE FOR ALL PARTIES BUT WANTED TO SHOW THE ELEVATION. WHAT YOU SEE UP ON THE SCREEN ON THE UPPER IMAGE WOULD BE THE SOUTH ELEVATION. THEN ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN WOULD BE THE NORTH ELEVATION. WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO ENHANCE THE LOOK OF THE FRONT DOOR SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE DISTINGUISHABLE AGAIN TO MEET CITY CODES.

THEN AS JOE MENTIONED, WE'LL TUCK OUR TRASH DUMPSTER AREA INTERIOR OF THE SITE. IT WILL BE FULL BRICK AS WELL AND MATCH THE AESTHETICS OF OUR BUILDING.

THEN JUST REAL QUICK WE'LL HIGHLIGHT SIGNAGE. WE KNOW WE'RE PROPOSING MORE THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED SO I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE WORKING WITH STAFF TO SEE IF WE CAN COME ONE A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE SOLUTION BUT WE'RE PROPOSING AN ADDED MONUMENT SIGN AT MICHIGAN AND 99TH STREET.

THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE UP ON THE SCREEN HERE.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID THAT'S A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO HERE.

WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO THE REST OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. MR. SECRETARY, JUST TO MAKE SURE, I HAVE THE RULES CORRECTLY, HOW -- THE TIME LIMIT ON THE PETITIONER WAS WHAT? 20 MINUTES, MAXIMUM?

>> 15 IS ALLOWED FOR THE PETITIONER. 20 FOR PUBLIC

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COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST THIS PETITION? COULD YOU RAISE YOUR HANDS IN RECOGNITION? [INDISCERNIBLE]

[LAUGHTER] >> LOOK AT THOSE HANDS GO UP. SINCE THERE ARE NO REMONSTRATORS, THERE WILL BE NO REBUTTAL AND WE'LL GO STRAIGHT TO THE DEPARTMENT

REPORT. >> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD I'M RACHEL KEYS LING, PLANNER WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. AS WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT THE PETITIONER PLANS TO BRING A NEW CHIK-FIL-A RESTAURANT TO CARMEL. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM ON THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND THE SITE TO BRING THE PROPOSAL INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE U. D. O. WE DO STILL ADDITIONAL WORK TO DO. AS THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES THAT I LISTED IN THE REPORT IS GREAT. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THAT NUMBER THROUGH ADDITIONAL STUDY AND WORK. ONE VARIANCE THEY ABSOLUTELY WILL NEED IS DRIVE THROUGH STACKING LOCATION. THIS SITE HAS THREE FRONT AMOUNTS, TWO PUBLIC, ONE PRIVATE. THIS CREATES A PENINSULA SITUATION WHERE THERE REALLY IS NO WAY TO CONCEAL THE STACKING TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. BUT ONE BENEFIT OF THE EXISTING SITE IS THE MATURE LANDSCAPING WHICH THEY MENTIONED AROUND THE PERIMETER.

SO THAT WILL HELP TO SHIELD SOME OF THE VIEW OF THE CARS STACKING IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE. THEY PROPOSE TO LEAVE MOST OF THE LANE SCAPING AROUND MICHIGAN ROAD AND 99TH STREET AS IS. LET'S SEE. THEY HAVE 80 PARKING SPACES PROPOSED AS WELL AS 46 DRIVE THROUGH STACKING SPACES SO WE ARE ARE THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH PARKING AND STACKING REQUIREMENTS. WE DON'T HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT VEHICLES BACKING UP INTO WALL NUT CREEK DRIVE OR ON TO MICHIGAN ROAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUILDING THE BUILDING DESIGN, WE'LL KEEP WORKING WITH THE PETITIONER TO ENHANCE THE ENTRANCE.

THE AWNINGS AND THE BRICK PATTERNING ON THE BUILDING TO ALLOWED A QUID SPACE SO NO VARIANCES WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THAT. THERE ARE OTHER POINTS IN MY REGARD BUT WE'LL -- REPORT BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THESE AS WE GO ON TO COMMITTEE. WITH THAT I'LL RECOMMEND WE SEND THIS TO THE TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 1, COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE MEETING FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND WE WOULD ALSO BE OKAY IF YOU WOULD GRANT FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY TO THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MR. ACTING PRESIDENT I SHOULD SAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WANT THE SITE PLAN CORRECTLY. THE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS, IS THAT WHEREK THEY T

OF THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES? >> YES.

>> AT A DIAGONAL. >> YES.

>> OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT ESPECIALLY YOUR OWNER IS ON SITE, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR DUMPSTERS CLOSED EVERYBODY GETS TO LOOK AT THEM.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO THAT'S A GREAT LOCATION. THEN THIS IS MAYBE BEYOND MY PURVIEW BUT I CAN'T HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ANGST ABOUT INDIVIDUALS CROSSING A LANE OF TRAFFIC TO DELIVER FOOD. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT FOR YOU, AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TONIGHT BUT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING MECHANISMS WITHIN THE TRAVEL LANES LIKE RAISED CROSSWALKS, TABLE TOP DESIGN? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW BUT MAYBE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT OR DISCUSS AT FURTHER OR WITH OUR CITY ENGINEER AND GET HIS INPUT ON IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MR. VICE

PRESIDENT. >> YES, SIR, SIMILAR THOUGHTS, I WONDERED ABOUT THE DUMPSTERS, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING WHERE THOSE R. I'M CURIOUS ON THE NOTION THE TRASH TRUCK IS IS THERE AS FOLKS ARE PULLING INTO THE ISOLATED MIDDLE SPOTS WHAT CONFLICT THAT CREATES.

ANECDOTAL FEEDBACK LATER IS FINE.

SIMILARLY THE PARKING ALONG THE NORTHERN PART OF THE SITE, IT APPEARS TO ME THOSE USERS NEED TO CROSS THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH AREA YET YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND A SAFER OPTION. SO NOT SAYING IT ISN'T SAFER THAN THE VILLAGE PARK SIDE YOU MENTIONED. VERY FAMILIAR

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CERTAINLY THE DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC WRAPPING AROUND THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE A BETTER SOLUTION, SO HAPPY TO SEE THAT. I'M CURIOUS IN A PEAK EVENT, DOES THAT BLOCK OR LIMIT ANY OF THE PARKING THAT WE'RE COUNTING ON TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET EVERYBODY PARKED ON THE SITE AND LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL OPINIONS.

>> SURE, TYPICALLY OUR OWNER OPERATOR WILL DIRECT OUR EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN SOME OF THOSE SPACES YOU MENTIONED EITHER TO THE NORTH OR IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE DRIVE THROUGH ENTRANCE, THOSE WILL BE THE LOWEST TURNOVER SPACES WITH EMPLOYEES KEEPING ALL OF THE PARKING SPACES AS CLOSE TO THE FRONT DOOR AS OPEN AS

POSSIBLE FOR GUESTS. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. PRESIDENT. >> YES.

>> ON THE TRASH ISSUE, RESTAURANTS ALWAYS REQUIRE TRASH TO BE PICKED UP BEFORE THEY OPEN.

>> ANYONE ELSE? JUST -- PROBABLY GOES WITHOUT SAYING BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT TO GET ALL OF YOUR PEOPLE THE STACKING ON SITE. I THINK WE'VE, A WAY TO BE A GREAT RESTAURANT BUT THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING I'VE NOTICED THAT HASN'T GONE WELL MAYBE FOR YOU IN THE PAST. GOOD JOB MAKING IT A BIGGEST. WE'RE GLAD TO BE A

TESTING GROUND FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. VICE PRESIDENT? >> YES, SIR.

>> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION WE SEND THIS TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 1 WITH THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE THE

FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY. >> IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECOND THAT WE SEND THIS TO COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE WITH THE COMMITTEE HAVING FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY ON NOVEMBER 1. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, IT WILL GO TO TO THE NOVEMBER 1ST COMMITTEE MEETING.

>> GREAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> SEE YOU THEN. >> THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON

THE AGENDA IS -- >> MR. PRESIDENT, ATTORNEY GENERAL, COULD WE CONFIRM THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED

AS WELL? >> DO WHAT?

>> CONFIRM THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

>> PUBLIC HEARING NOW IS CLOSED. I MEANT TO DO THAT.

THANKS. SECOND ITEM IS DOCKET NUMBER P. D.

2022-00172 PUD CONOR PRAIRIE PUD REZONE.

THE APPLICANT SEEKS PUD REZONE APPROVAL FOR A WEST SIDE EXPANSION OF CONOR PRAIRIE TO INCLUDE A FARM TO TABLE RESTAURANT, A WHITE RIVER EDUCATION CENTER, LODGE HOTEL, CABINS, A MODERN FARM, PARKING, WALKING TRAILS, AND MORE. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 146TH STREET AND RIVER ROAD AND IS ZONED S. 1/RESIDENCE, FILED BY JOHN DOBOSIEWICZ AND JIM SHINAVER OF NELSON AND FRANKENBERGER ON BEHALF OF KEN ALEXANDER SITE MASTER PLAN MANAGER FOR CONOR PRAIRIE MUSEUM INC. BEFORE WE GET GOING HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE INTEND AFTER I OPEN THE PUBLIC MEETING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST THIS -- IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR HAND SO I CAN GET A COUNT? HELP ME COUNT HERE.

10. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

FOR THOSE -- YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES AND THE CHAIR IS GOING TO USE ITS DISCRETION, MAKE IT 20 MINUTES SO THAT MEANS EACH PERSON WOULD HAVE 2 MINUTES IN WHICH TO SPEAK.

NOW GO RIGHT AHEAD. INTRODUCE YOURSELF. YOU MAY PROCEED. YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I'M NORMAN BURNS, PRESIDENT AND C.E.O.

OF CONOR PRAIRIE LOCATED IN FISHERS, INDIANA BUT ALSO IN CARMEL, INDIANA. WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT REZONING FOR OUR WEST SIDE EXPANSION. AND HAPPY THAT WE MENTIONED SOME OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST IS OUR PARTNERS IN CARMEL CLAY PARKS AND RECREATION THAT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US ON THE WHITE RIVER VISION PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE TRAILS AND HOW WE USE ESPECIALLY THE SOUTH PART OF THEM, OF THE WHITE RIVER AND WE'RE ALSO VERY PLEASED HOW WE WORKED WITH THE DEPARTENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND INDIANA, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGE. AND OTHERS THAT HAVE WORKED WITH US CLOSELY.

WHITE RIVER ALLIANCE AS WELL AS OUR PLANNERS, M. K. S.

STUDIOS CHRISTOPHER HAS BEEN WITH US SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING. SO I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE BRIEF HISTORY OF CONOR PRAIRIE AND THE SITE MASTER PLAN WHICH CAME UP OF EXTENSIVE RESEARCH BY OUR BOARD, AND THEN THE REASON FOR THE CHANGES THAT ARE

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AND THEN IT GOES TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARRIVED AFTER THAT. THERE WERE NATIVE PEOPLE THE KICKA POOH AS OTHERS FORCEFULLY MOVED HERE INCLUDING OTHERS. WILLIAM AND JOHN CONOR ARRIVED ON THE SCENE ABOUT 1801 AND IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS WHERE WILLIAM CONOR LOCATED AND THIS IS WHERE THE HISTORY REALLY OF CONOR PRAIRIE BEGINS. THEN OUR FOUNDER ELI LILLY WHO WANTED TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY TO PRESERVE WILLIAM CONOR'S SECOND HOME OF 1812. HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS A SITE WHERE INDIANA HISTORY COULD BE TOLD AND THE HISTORY OF THE RIVER AND LAND COULD BE TOLD.

AS HE SAID WE WANT TO TEACH HISTORY IN WAYS THAT BOOKS CANNOT. THAT IS REALLY AT THE HEART OF WHAT CONOR PRAIRIE HAS DONE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. OUR HEART FOR THE PAST. BUT WE ALSO HAVE A HEAD FOR THE PRESENT.

HOW DO WE CURRENTLY OPERATE? HOW D WE WANT TO USE THE RESOURCE THAT IS WE HAVE? THEN THE EYE TO THE FUTURE IS LOOKING AT ALL THESE THINGS AND HOW WE APPROACH THAT. OUR MISSION, WE KNOW WE'RE A UNIQUE HISTORIC PLACE AS IT RELATES TO OUR PROPERTY. WE INSPIRE CURIOSITY AND FOSTER LEARNING BY PROVIDING ENGAGING AND INDIVIDUALIZED EXPERIENCES FOR EVERYONE.

SO WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO DO THAT. AND OUR LARGEST ASSET, OBVIOUSLY IS OUR PROPERTY. WE HAVE 1,046 ACRES OF LAND AND THE WHITE RIVER THAT RUNS THROUGH IT.

WE HAVE PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE IN FISHERS, PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE IN CARMEL. WE'RE HERE NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE WEST SIDE PROPERTY. WHICH INITIALLY WAS PRIMARILY FARM LAND AND THAT IS WHAT ELI LILLY PURCHASED.

HE DID FARMING ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF RIVER ROAD AND WE WERE NOPE AS CONOR PRAIRIE FARMS MUCH SOONER -- KNOWN AS COONER PRAIRIE FARMS MORE THAN WE WERE KNOWN AS A LIVING THINKS TRY SITE. SO WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER TIME STARTING WITH THE FARM ON THE WEST AND EAST SIDE AND BECOMING WHAT PEOPLE NOW AS CONOR PRAIRIE AS AS A MEESE MUSEUM. WE HAVE BEEN ACCREDITED BY THE AMERICAN ALLIANCE MUSEUMS FOR NEARLY 40 YEARS NOW.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE ABIDE BY ALL THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS FOR EDUCATION AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. WE'RE ONE OF THE MOST VISITED OUTDOOR ATTRACTIONS AS IT RELATES TO LIVING HISTORY IN AMERICA.

YOU PROBABLY ARE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE GREAT PROGRAMS WE'VE DONE FOR A GENERATION NOW, WHETHER IT BE SYMPATHY PHONEY ON THE PRAIRIE BUT WE'VE EDUCATED MILLIONS OF CHILDREN AND THE LAST FEW DECADES THAT COME TO CONOR PRAIRIE EACH AND EVERY YEAR TO LEARN ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS PLACE, HISTORY OF INDIAN, A, BUT ALSO THE HISTORY OF THE LAND AND THE RIVER. OF COURSE A LOT OF ICONIC THINGS, MOST THUNE 146TH STREET, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THE 1859 BALLOON VOYAGE, THE BALLOON HAS BECOME ICONIC FOR THE REGION. HOWEVER, THAT 1,046 ACRES OF LAND WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT HOW THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED OVER TIME. THAT IS WHY OUR BOARD STARTING IN 1206 AND MOVING INTO 2017 BEGAN TO LOOK AT WAYS THIS 1,046 ACRES OF LAND COULD BE USED BEST TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC. BUT ALSO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE RIVER AND THE THINGS WE'RE DOING WITH THAT. OUR VISION IS THAT CONOR PRAIRIE WILL BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES OF OUR HISTORIC AND NATURAL RESOURCE, WE DO THAT BY EXPLORING, CELEBRATING AND IMPROVING THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE, WE BEGAN TO LOOK AT THIS FOOTPRINT OF 1,046 ACRES AND ESPECIALLY THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE AS IT RELATES TO THE FARM LAND THAT HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST. OF COURSE, THIS IS THE SPOT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE NORTH. YOU HAVE 146TH STREET. ON THE EAST YOU HAVE THE WHITE RIVER WRAPPING AROUNDS, ON THE WEST RIVER ROAD AND THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY ON RIVER RIDE BEFORE COMING BACK AROUND TO PRAIRIE VIEW GOLF COURSE WHICH IS LAND WE ALSO OWN BUT DO NOT OPERATE AS A BUSINESS.

SO WE BEGIN LOOKING AT HOW TO DEVELOP THE LAND OVER TIME. WE CAME UP WITH AN A CONCEPT PLAN FOR ABOUT A 20 OR 30 YEAR PERIOD. SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE WILL DO AND OUR BOARD BEGAN TO PRIORITIZE SOME OF THEM. WE PUT SO AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. WE'RE WALKING ON 3 OF THE PROJECTS ON THE EAST SIDE. TO TAKE OUR MUSEUM EXPERIENCE CENTER AND EXPAND IT AND USE IT. WE'RE CREATING WHAT'S GOING TO BE A TWO AND A HALF MILE OX BOW TRAIL WITH RIVER EDUCATION HUBS AND THE WAY THAT WE

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THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE INNOVATION CENTER AND THE CONFERENCE SPACE. WE ALSO KNOW WE WANT TO MAKE THIS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE BOTH ON THE TRAILS AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AVAILABLE TO DO THINGS LIKE THE FARM TO TABLE RESTAURANT WHICH IS COMPLEMENTARY TO THE FOOD, FARM AND ENERGY EXPERIENCE AND YES, WE DO HAVE SITED ON THE PLAN SOME UNIQUE LODGING AND CABINS THAT WOULD BE PART OF SUPPORTING ALL OF THOSE ACTIVITIES IN THE FUTURE. YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT, MAINLY ONCE AGAIN THE 146TH STREET DOWN WITH FOOD, FARM AND ENERGY BEING THE TOP PROJECT. THERE IS 3 ZONES FOR THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS NOT DEVELOPMENT PERIOD. THIS IS IS JUST ZONES WE HAVE IDENTIFIED. ZONE 1 IS FOOD, FARM AND ENERGY EXPERIENCE, ZONE 2 IS THE LAND, WATER AND ENERGY INNOVATION DISTRICT WHERE THE WHITE RIVER EDUCATION CENTER RESIDES THEN ZONE 3 IS THE HOSPITALITY AREA THAT INCLUDES RESTAURANT AS WELL AS LODGING AS WELL AS INNOVATION OFFICE SPACE. THE BIG PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING FROM THE EDUCATIONAL STAND-POINT IS RIGHT HERE.

THIS HERE WHICH CURRENTLY IS PRIMARILY FARMLAND.

WE'RE LEASING THE LAND FOR PERFORMANCE AND THEN WHAT WE ALSO WANT TO DO IS CREATE THIS FOOD, FARM AND ENERGY EXPERIENCE. YOU CAN SEE SOME COWS ON THE SCREEN THERE. FOOD IS AT THE VERY CENTER OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, HOW DO WE FEED NEARLY 10 BILLION PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THIS PLANET MID-CENTURY WHEN LESS THAN 1% OF THE POPULATION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE INNOVATE IN AGRICULTURE AND WATER AND LAND MANAGEMENT? HOW IS THE ENVIRONMENT GOING TO LOOK IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT? THE GLOBAL CONNECTION FOR FOOD AS WELL AS ENERGY. WE HAVE AREAS IN THE FOOD, FARM AND ENERGY EXPERIENCE THAT ARE THEMATIC TO THE ARRIVAL. MR. LILLY'S FARM, TELLING THAT STORY AS WELL AS MODERN FARMING FOOD PRODUCTION AND CELEBRATION OF FOOD. THE WAY THE SITE IS GOING TO LOOK IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLEMENTARY TO THE ORIGINAL FARMING. FOR THAT'S THAT MIGHT REMEMBER THE FARM THAT WAS OVER THERE, THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE TORN DOWN, VERY COMPLEMENTARY TO THE WAY IT ORIGINALLY LOOKED AND THE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES. THIS IS A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE OVERLAID ON THIS AREA WHICH IS OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN. THIS IS IN FLOOD PLAIN.

THE CURRENT AGRICULTURE SPACE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE USED AS AGRICULTURAL SPACE BUT INSTEAD OF 150 ACRES OF CORN IT'S GOING TO BE APPLICATION SITES FOR DIFFERENT CROPS, PRIMARILY CORN, SOY BEANS AND OTHER LIKES THAT. WE HAVE A FEW ORIGINAL BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY WHICH WILL REMAIN INCLUDING THE FARMHOUSE AS WELL AS EL LI LILLY'S OFFICE THAT WAS THE FARM OFFICE AND ONE ADDITIONAL BUILDING, HERE IS THE OVERLAY MUCH SOME OF THE NEW EXHIBIT BUILDINGS AND PROGRAMS SPACES ON THIS PROPERTY. THE BUILDOUT OF THAT. THIS SHOWS ONCE AGAIN AN IDEA OF WHAT SOME OF THE BUILDINGS MIGHT LOOK LIKE AFTER REZONING. THIS IS BY NO MEANS ANY TYPE OF DESIGN OTHER THAN MASSING TO SHOW HOW IT FITS ON THE PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE ARRIVAL SEQUENCE AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS ONCE AGAIN WITH THE SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE PROPERTY BEING THE APPLICATION SITES. ALSO WITH BUFFERING OFF OF RIVER ROAD UP TO 146TH STREET YOU ARE BEGINNING TO SEE THIS. THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE HARVEST CHURCH ENTRANCE. THIS WOULD BE AN ENTRY POINT FOR STAFF ONLY. IT'S CURRENTLY AN IN GRASS, THIS

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3 IN THE WHAT IS I'M GOING TO CALL THAT YELLOW, NOT SURE IF THAT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT THE CONTEMPORARY PRAIRIE STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE IS GOING TO BE USED IN ZONE 2 AND 3 AS IT RELATES TO THAT BLENDING TO THE GROUND LOW SLUNG BUILDINGS AS WELL AS MATERIALS THAT BLEND WITH THE LANDSCAPE. YOU ARE SEEING HERE AN OVERLAY OF ZONE 2 WHICH INCLUDES THE WHITE RIVER EDUCATION ECOLOGY CERTAINTY AS WELL AS AN INNOVATION CENTER BRINGING TOGETHER LIKE MINDED COMPANIES, NONPROFITS AND OTHERS THAT WANT TO USE THE LANDS, WATER AND ENERGY TO INNOVATE IN THE THINGS WE'RE DOING.

THEN ON THE SOUTHERN END, THE LODGING ASPECT OF WHAT IS BEING DONE. THE WHITE RIVER CENTER IS SOMETHING WE HEARD DURING PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH THE WHITE RIVER VISION PLAN AND TALKING AND WORKING WITH CARMEL CLAY PARKS SOMETHING ON THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON THE WHITE RIVER. WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH CARMEL CLAY PARKS ON THE DEVELOPMENTS OF THE ECOLOGY CENTER AND HOW TO CONNECT THE GREENWAY TRAIL THAT IS A PUBLIC TRAIL ON TO OUR PRIVATE LANDS TO CREATE A SPACE THAT WOULD ALLOW ALL CITIZENS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE WHITE RIVER FOR, AND MAKE THEIR WAY UP TO THE WHITE RIVER ECOLOGY CENTER. THIS GIVES YOU SOME IDEA OF WHERE THE PUBLIC TRAIL IS COMING ON TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY THEN GOING BACK UP ON TO THE PUBLIC LANDS UP 146TH STREET. ONCE THE WHITE RIVER CENTER IS DEVELOPED WE WOULD CONSIDER AND BE PUTTING ADDITIONAL TRAIL HEAD IN OR TRAIL IN AS WELL. THIS GIVES YOU A VIEW OF WHAT THIS BUILDING MIGHT LOOK LIKE. FROM THAT STAND-POINT, THIS IS IN CLOSEST TO THE TRAIL COME IN WHERE WE WOULD HAVE CLASSROOMS, A MODERN EXHIBIT BUILDING TELLING THE HISTORY OF THE WHITE RIVER AS WELL AS ITS ECOLOGY. OTHER CLASSROOMS AND ANOTHER PARTNER BUILDING WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE SOME OFFICES OURSELF ALONG WITH THE WHITE RIVER ALLIANCE. THIS SHOWS ONCE AGAIN THE ZONE 2. ONCE AGAIN THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE TRAIL ITSELF. ZONE 3 THE LAND, WATER AND ENERGY INNOVATION DISTRICT. YOU SEE THE WHITE RIVER EDUCATION ECOLOGY CENTER, FARM TO TABLE RESTAURANT POTENTIAL LOCATION, INNOVATION CENTER THAT INCLUDES A SMALL CONFERENCE SPACE AND THE POSSIBILITY OF LODGING. ONCE AGAIN WITH THE TRAIL COMING UP AND COMING UP TO THE ROAD. THIS SHOWS A POTENTIAL RIVER ROAD CHERRY CREEK BOULEVARD MAIN ENTRANCE. WHAT A POTENTIAL, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE BUILDINGS OVERLAID THERE AND THE IDEA OF SOME POSSIBILITIES OF WHETHER IT BE A BIKE SHOP, COFFEE SHOP. THERE COULD BE POSSIBILITIES OF THINGS BEING BUILT. THIS SHOWS WHERE THE FARM TO TABLE RESTAURANT ISCYTED AS WELL AS THE WHITE RIVER EDUCATION. FUTURE ROUNDABOUT, COMMUNITY DRIVE SHOWS THE RELATIONSHIP AND THIS IS A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE RELATIONSHIP WHERE THE LONG -- LODGING WOULD BE AS WELL AS THE LAND, WATER ENERGY INNOVATION CENTER.

THIS SHOWS THE OVERLAY OF ALL OF THOSE ACTIVITIES RELATED TO THAT. WITH THAT I WILL SAY THAT AS YOU LOOK AT THIS 230 ACRES, 260 ACRES OF LAND WE'RE GOING TO BE REDEVELOPING, IT'S REMAINING AGRICULTURAL AND LESS THAN 7% DENSITY AS IT RELATES TO THE OVERALL PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING. SO WITH THAT, I BELIEVE MY TIME IS UP.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING THOSE TEN INDIVIDUALS WHO RAISED THEIR HAND WHO WISH TO SPEAK, IF YOU COULD LINE UP ALONG THE WALL TO THE LEFT. YOU DON'T ALL HAVE TO GO BUT JUST SO WE CAN GET A CONSTANT FLOW. WITH THAT I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 6:51. IF YOU WOULD, SIR, FIRST ONE IF YOU WOULD COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THE AREA OF CARMEL IN WHICH YOU RESIDE.

>> OKAY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHARLES MCHENRY, I LIVE IN PLUMB CREEK VILLAGE NEAR WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE BELT. I'M, I'VE BEEN AWARE OF CONOR PRAIRIE TAKING MY KIDS THERE, YOU KNOW, BEEN THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY 40 YEARS AND I LOOK AT THIS, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY OWN OPINION CONOR PRAIRIE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SECOND RATE ENTERTAINMENT.

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IF I WAS TO TAKE OUR, YOU KNOW, PALADIUM VERSUS CONOR PRAIRIE, TO ME THERE IS NO -- I MEAN THE PALADIUM IS JUST OUT AND OUT A LOT BETTER. SO ON THAT SCORE, YOU KNOW, I'M AGAINST THE PROPOSED ZONING.

YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CARMEL GOVERNMENT. ONES I VOTED FOR. AND I HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING PLAYED BY THE CITY OF FISHERS, BUT THE WAY I SEE IT THESE PICTURES WERE NICE BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT LOOKS LIKES WE'RE GOING TO END UP BEING A PARKING LOT FOR FISHERS FOR THEIR MAIN SPOT. MY THOUGHT IS RATHER THAN IT BEING CARMEL'S PROBLEM, WHY DON'T THEY GO ACROSS THE STREET ON ALLISONVILLE ROAD, DEVELOP OVER THERE AND LEAVE THAT OVER THERE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S TIME CARMEL STANDS UP FOR THEIR RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTS AND THAT IS WHAT I AM. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, A 6 STORY BUILDING, A 3-STORY BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS ALLOWED. I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT OVER THERE BECAUSE IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE MY PROPERTY VALUE DOWN, THEN I DON'T VALUE WHAT CONOR PRAIRIE IS PUTTING IN THERE ONE BIT. AND I WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL, YOU KNOW, FRIENDS, FAMILY, NEIGHBORS, DON'T GO. BECAUSE THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.

SO I HOPE YOU ARE NOT BEING PLAYED BY THESE GUYS BECAUSE FISHERS DOES NOT HAVE OUR INTEREST AT HEART.

BECAUSE I GREW UP IN THE AREA. CARMEL ALWAYS HATED FISHERS. LAWRENCE HATED NORTH CENTRAL. THERE IS ALL THESE THINGS -- [LAUGHTER] AND SO ALL I'M SAYING IS WE OUGHT TO STICK TOGETHER AND FORGET FISHERS, LET THEM HANDLE IT THEMSELVES.

>> THANK YOU. STEP RIGHT UP IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THE AREA OF CARMEL.

>> I'M JOE LUKE ETCH, I'M A 22 YEAR RESIDENT OF CARMEL.

I MOVED HERE FROM KERRY, NORTH CAROLINA. AND HAVE BEEN IN THE PRAIRIE VIEW AREA FOR THE PAST 22 YEARS, I LIVED IN BROOKS LANDING OVER ON FRANKLIN HALL CENTRAL.

THIS PROPOSAL, FRANKLY, IS INSENSITIVE AND OFFENSIVE.

I THINK YOU HEARD DURING THE PROPOSAL WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LAYOUT OF THEIR PLANS COMPLEELY IGNORING THAT THEY'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. NEVER DID REFERENCE THAT THEY ARE IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND WHAT RESIDENCES THEY'RE IMPACTING. AND NEVER ONCE REFERENCED THAT THE HOTEL AND THE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND A LOT OF THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING UP IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM PRAIRIE TRACE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THAT IS WHY I FIND THIS PARTICULARLY OFFENSIVE. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE CHOOSE TO LIVE IN THIS AREA IS BECAUSE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND IT HAS MANY PARKS, SEVERAL PARKS, MANY GREEN SPACES. IT'S A SAFE AREA FOR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO SCHOOL, TO BE ABLE TO BIKE TO VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'VE GOT A NICE AMALGAMATION OF PEOPLE OF VARIOUS BACKGROUNDS, RACES, ETHNICITIES, IN ADDITION TO THE WAY THAT THE AREA IS LAID OUT TO BE ABLE TO, FOR THE CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO MEET KIDS FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND NEIGHBORHOODS. THE SAFETY ASPECT OF THIS IS A KEY ONE. IT'S NOT JUST -- IT'S NOT JUST THE FACT THAT THE HOTELS ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO -- FOR THIS EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE THAT ARE UNVETTED BUT IT'S THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THIS IS GOING TO CREATE IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY SET UP TO HANDLE. THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING THAT IN MAKING YOUR DECISIONS. I THINK MY TIME SUP. -- IS UP. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS MICHAEL PORTER, I LIFE IN PRAIRIE VIEW BROOKS LANDING, BEEN IN CARMEL 20 YEARS, THANKS TO THE COMMISSION FOR THIS TIME TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU. IN THE SPIRIT OF PRESERVING AND PROTECTING THE LAND AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT, PARTICULARLY THOSE SOUTHERN TWO ZONES.

I BELIEVE HE SAID THEY WERE ZONES 2 AND 3. THE HOTEL, CABINS, OFFICE BUILDING AND RESTAURANT. MY CONCER IS

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AND THE NOISE, MY HOME BACKS UP TO RIVER ROAD AND I ALREADY HEAR A LOT OF NOISE FROM THE INCREASE WE ALREADY HAVE HAD ALREADY ON RIVER ROAD, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT LARGE 18 WHEELER TRUCKS, BUSES FROM OTHER STATES WITH KIDS BUT MAINLY ITSELF 18 WHEEL DELIVERY TRUCKS. YOU KNOW, AND THE ZONING FOR THAT OR THE WEIGHT LIMITS. AND THE SAFETY OF FAMILIES. THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION IS IS THIS PROJECT ECONOMICALLY AVAILABLE WITHOUT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT? IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE HOTEL AND THE BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE WORKING THERE EVERYDAY, IS THERE ENOUGH TICKET SALES TO SUPPORT ALL OF THIS WITHOUT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS BECAUSE IT'S THE COMMERCE PART THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT WITH THE GOAL OF CONSERVATION AND PRESERVING THE LAND. CERTAINLY THE NORTHERN PART, YOU KNOW, THE NATURE AREAS AND THE APPLE ORCHARDS, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE FINE BUT THINK IT'S THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS THAT REALLY CONCERN MANY OF THE RESIDENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> HI, THERE SHAWNA DAVIDSON. I LIVE IN PRAIRIE VIEW.

I EXPRESS A LOT OF THE SAME CONCERNS AS OTHERS WHO STOOD UP. I HAVE A 4TH GRADER AT PRAIRIE TRACE ELEMENTARY, I HAVE A TODDLER WHO WILL BE THERE IN A FEW YEARS AND THE SAFETY ISSUE IS A HUGE CONCERN. WE LIVE IN THE DAY AND AGE WHERE KIDS TODAY DID A LOCK DOWNDRILL. WE NEED TO BE MAKING OUR SCHOOLS SAFER FOR THE CHILDREN AND NOT PUTTING A HOTEL, AND RESTAURANTS AND A CONFERENCE CENTER DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THAT IS NEGLIGENT IN MY EYES, WE'RE LOOKING TO YOU TO PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN, KEEP IT SAFE. THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WITH FAMILIES EVERY WHERE.

AND WITH THE BUS SHORTAGE ISSUE, ANY CHILD WHO LIVES WITHIN A MILE OF PRAIRIE TRACE ELEMENTARY HAS TO EITHER WALK OR DRIVE OR RIDE A BIKE TO SCHOOL. WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPOSITE OF BUS BUS USAGE, THAT INCLUDES MY FAMILY. SO YOU HAVE INCREASED CHILDREN OUT THERE RIDING BIKES AND AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, PEOPLES BARELY STOP FOR THE CROSSING GUARDS, PEOPLE ARE FLYING DOWN RIVER ROAD. WITH THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO ACCOMPANY THIS FOR 20, 25 YEARS, WITH THE INCREASE TOURISM, IT'S A HUGE SAFETY HAZARD. AGAIN THIS IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S WHAT DREW US TO THERE WHEN WE MOVED THERE 4 YEARS AGO. IT'S FILLED WITH NATURE AND IT'S SO PEACEFUL AND THIS PROJECT, THE COMMERCE SIDE IN PARTICULAR, IT'S GOING TO RUIN THAT. SO I'M PLEADING WITH YOU AND I KNOW SEVERAL IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE ALL FEELING

THE SAME WAY. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> I'M DR. PETTING GIL. WE'RE HERE REPRESENTING OUR MEMBERS WHO LIVE IN CARMEL. WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THE FOREST AND WILD SPACES AFFECTED BY THIS PROPOSAL CARMEL HAS LOST SO MUCH OF ITS WILD AND FORESTED AREA AND SHOULD MAKE EVERY HOLD TO HOLD ON TO THE FOREST AND WILD AREAS IT HAS LEFT. THEY SHOULD ENCOURAGE CONOR PRAIRIE TO CONSERVE AS MUCH FORESTED AND WILD SPACE AS POSSIBLE. OUR NATIVE FORESTS ARE A DIRECT LINK TO THE NATURAL HERITAGE OF INDIANA KEEPING THE FOREST GIVES A MORE HISTORICAL VIEW OF INDIANA.

THE FORESTED AND WILD LANDS THAT EXIST THERE ARE UNIQUE AND SHOULD BE USED FOR THE VALUABLE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THEY PROVIDE. CONOR PRAIRIE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO REFOREST MORE OF ITS OPEN SPACES ALONG THE WHITE RIVER. MUCH OF THE LAND IS IN FLOOD PLAIN.

FORESTS ARE HUGE SPONGES AND THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THE FLOODING THAT THIS OVERDEVELOPED HARD SCAPE WOULD PRODUCE MORE RUNOFF IS TO PLANT MORE EXISTING TREES AND KEEP THE EXISTING FOREST IN OPERATION, CONOR PRAIRIE SHOULD WORK TO CONSERVE ITS FOREST AND NATURAL AREAS TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN CARMEL. CONSERVING THE FOREST ALONG THE RIVER IS ESSENTIAL.

WE ASK THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT PRESERVE THE CURRENT FORESTED AND WILD AREAS AND WORK TOWARD REFORESTING THE AREA TO GIVE A MORE UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR HOOSIER VITTORS. THANK YOU -- VISITORS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE TO SPEAK TOWARD THIS ISSUE. I'M

GOING TO -- >> IF YOU COULD --

>> I'M BILL KOLLSTEAD. I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THIS A

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AND THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED. WOULD CARMEL SCHOOLS PUT PRAIRIE TRACE WHERE IT IS NOW? ABSOLUTELY NOT BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE TOO MUCH CONCERN AS SEVERAL OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS MENTIONED ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT. WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE IS HOTELS, 50 TO 10 ROOM HOTELS, PICTURE A HAMPTON INN WITH THE REQUISITE PARKING THAT WOULD SURROUND THOSE VENUES.

THEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FARM AND RANCH OR FARM TO TABLE RESTAURANT. THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ON TOP OF ALL OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. AND I KNOW FROM MY EXPERIENCES IF YOU HAVE A HOTEL AND YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE IN TO WORK ON THOSE AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS AND THEY WILL BE CLOSE TO THAT SCHOOL. AS SEVERAL PEOPLE NOTED, I HAVE SOME CONCERN WITH THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN HERE. SO I THINK THERE -- I'M A BIG FAN OF CONOR PRAIRIE. MY SON AND DAUGHTER IN LAW AND MY TWO GRAND KIDS, THEY ARE MEMBERS, WE WERE THERE TWO OR THREE TIMES, I WAKE UP EVERY MORNING. SEEING THE BIG BALLOON GOING UP AND GOING DOWN. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS RESOLVED AND KEEP IT LIKE IT IS NOW.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> GOOD EVENING, I'M SUE, I AM ATE CARMEL CITY COUNCILOR REPRESENTING THE NORTHEAST PART OF CARMEL REPRESENTING THE THOUSANDS OF HOME OWNERS AND H. O. A.'S THAT ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE EAST SIDE WILL BE FOREVER CHANGED. I JUST HAD THE OCCASION TO CAM BACK FROM GERMANY. IT'S STRUCK ME AS I'M LOOKING AT THE VERY OLD BUILDINGS THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF NAMELESS FACELESS PEOPLE WHO MADE DECISIONS EACH AND EVERYDAY THAT MADE THAT CITY WHAT IT WAS THAT I WAS SEEING AT THE TIME. IN THIS PROJECT IS UNLIKE ANY OTHER ONE TO COME BEFORE US. IT'S PART COMMERCIAL, CONOR PART PRESERVE, PART PARK. YOU KNOW PART FARM.

AND AGAIN VERY UNIQUE FROM THE STUFF WE TYPICALLY SEE COME THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION OR COUNCIL. MY RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT PARTICULARLY THE HOTEL AND THE ECONOMICS DISTRICT. PROXIMITY TO THE CONSUMES, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE UNIQUE PUD THAT YOU TAKE YOUR TIME AND ENGAGE DEEPLY. NOW I DON'T WANT THAT TO SOUND LIKE YOU DON'T DO THAT BE IN OTHER PROJECTS BUT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS, I THINK IT DESERVES EXTRA SPECIAL ATTENTION. I RESPECT THE AUTHORITY THAT YOU HAVE AND THE WORK THAT YOU DO ON EVERY WORK.

AS I WORKED WITH RESIDENT TO EDUCATE THEM ON THE PROCESS I TOLD THEM HOW YOU MAKE THE PROJECT ITSELF BETTER ABOUT OF THEY GET TO COUNCIL. WE APPRECIATE THAT. I'LL CONTINUE TO DO MY JOB AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND BE AN INTERMEDIATE INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE PETITIONER WHO HAS BEEN COLLABORATIVE BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW I'M AVAILABLE TO YOU TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE QUESTION BOSTON WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING TO ME AS A COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE. IN 11 YEARS I'VE NEVER SPOKEN AT A PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING.

I GREATLY RESPECT WHAT YOU DO AND I'M NOT TRYING TO INTERVENE IN WHAT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY S. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS PUNCTUATE THE POPS OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFERENT. WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> GOOD EVENING. I'M CHRISTINE ALL THEMAN, A HAMILTON COUNTY COMMISSIONER, ALSO A CARMEL RESIDENT NOT IMMEDIATELY IN THE VICINITY BUT ON 106TH STREET. WE'RE SEVERAL HATS AS I SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING. ONE IS AS A BOARD MEMBER OF CONOR PRAIRIE AND FORMER CHAIR AND CURRENTLY PAST CHAIR OF THE BOARD. I'VE BEEN IN VERY INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE CONOR PRAIRIE BOARD.

TO ME THE NUMBER ONE ASSET OF CONOR PRAIRIE IS THE WONDERFUL GIFT THAT MR. LILLY GAVE THIS COMMUNITY BOTH ON THE FISHER SIDE AND ON THE CARMEL SIDE.

I'VE COLLABORATED WITH THE TOWNSHIP TO WORK ON DIFFERENT TRAILS, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROCESS OF TRYING TO FULLY DEVELOP AND MAKE THIS ASSET MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE CITIZENS

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I BROUGHT IT BEFORE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, AND GIVEN OUR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE WHITE RIVER AND OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH CARMEL AND FISHERS ON THE ACTIVATION OF THE WHITE RIVER THEY'VE ENDORSED THIS PUD AND FIND IT AS A VERY EXCITING AND IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENT. MY FINAL ROLE IS AS AN ADOPTIVE MOM TO AN 8-YEAR-OLD.

AND TO HAVE THIS ASSET SO CLOSE AND TO AVAILABLE TO ALL OF THE KIDS AND ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF CARMEL IN THE AREA IS JUST TREMENDOUS. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE MUSEUMS IN CHICAGO. WE HAVE SO MUCH CREATIVE JUICE GOINGS ON WITH CONOR PRAIRIE IT'S EXCITING I THINK TO MOVE ON AND SEE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO.

IT'S A HARD JOB. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M JIM ROARDANCE. I LIVE IN THE OVERLOOK AT THE LEGACY, A 3 31 HOME DEVELOPMENT PERHAPS MOST AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT, I'M NO STRANGER TO DEVELOPMENTS. I GREW UP IN BROAD RIPPLE. WHEN 86TH STREET WAS KNOWN AS ROAD 100 AND I'VE SEEN THE ENTIRE NORTH SIDE DEVELOPED TO WHAT IT IS TODAY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I MOVED TO CARMEL FROM 25 YEARS RESIDENCY IN FISHERS BECAUSE I LIKE THE LOCATION WE NOW LIVE IN AND I INVITE EACH OF YOU PERSONALLY TO COME TO MY HOME IN THE OVERLOOK AND SEE THE NATURAL AREA THAT WE LOOK AT NOW. IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE MAPS THAT THE FOLKS THAT PRESENTED TO YOU THIS EVENING, BUT IT'S MOST AFFECTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THIS AREA THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP IS A NATURAL AREA ALONG THE RIVER, AND EACH OF THE RESIDENTS THAT PURCHASED A HOME IN THE OVERLOOK DID SO BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE APPEAL IN THIS NORTHEAST CORNER OF CARMEL. NOW I'M A REALIST THIS PROJEC WILL PROBABLY GO THROUGH AND SOME RESPECTS, AND WE'VE HAD SOME DIALOGUE WITH EVERYONE AT CONOR PRAIRIE BUT WE EXPECT IT TO BE AESTHETICALLY ACCEPTABLE TO THOSE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA OF CARMEL, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PROJECT SCALED BACK IN MANY RESPECTS. THIS APPEARS TO BE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE OF CARMEL WHEREAS THE EAST SIDE OF WHITE RIVER AND CONOR PRAIRIE CERTAINLY DOESN'T HAVE A COMMERCIAL TONE TO IT. WE OBJECT TO A HOTEL, TO A CONFERENCE CENTER AND MANY OTHER AESTHETIC THINGS THAT WILL AFFECT THE RESIDENTS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THIS PROJECT.

NO DOUBT THE INTENTION OF THE PROJECT IS GOOD. BUT PLEASE, PLEASE LOOK AT HOW IT AFFECTS THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO SEE THIS EVERYDAY. AGAIN I EXTEND A PERSONAL INVITATION FOR YOU TO COME AND SEE WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS AT NIGHT WHEN IT'S TOTALLY ISOLATED AND ONE OF THE LAST NATURAL PARTS OF CARMEL VERSUS WHAT IT WILL BE WITH HOTEL LIGHTING, COMMERCIAL LIGHTING AN OFFICED BYING, WHAT DO WE NEED ANOTHER OFFICE BUILDING FOR WHEN WE HAVE VACANT OFFICE SPACE THROUGHOUT FISHERS AND CARMEL? I OFFER THAT UP TO YOU AS FOOD FOR THOUGHT. I'VE RUN OVER MY TIME TODAY. I APOLOGIZE AUTHORIZE THAT, USUALLY I HAVE A JUDGE TELL ME HOW MANY TIME I HAVE. TO SPEAK BUT I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME HERE

THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. PETITIONER, YOU

HAVE 5 MINUTES TO REBUT. >> GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE PLAN COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS KEN ALEXANDER, I'M THE SITE MASTER PLAN PROJECT MANAGER FOR CONOR PRAIRIE.

WE'VE ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS, GOING BACK WELL BEFORE MY TIME WORKING WITH THIS, SPECIFICALLY THE SITE MASTER PLAN AS IT'S BEING DEVELOPED. WE'VE HAD A NUMEROUS MEETINGS. I THINK IT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED ON THE WEBSITE SINCE 2018 WITH NUMEROUS COMMUNICATIONS OUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THE READY GRANTS APPLICATION THAT WAS PUT FORWARD WITH,

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WE'VE HAD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WITH SIMILAR COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME UP IN FRONT OF US. WE'VE SAT HOURS AFTER THE MEETINGS WERE OVER TO LISTEN AND TO SHARE OUR THOUGHTS, OUR IDEAS. BUT MOSTLY LISTEN AND TAKE NOTES. SO, YES, AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, WE RECOGNIZE THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. IT WAS ALSO A BE COULD SEPTEMBER PLAN WE'RE PUTTING -- IT WAS ALSO A CONCEPT PLAN PUTTING FORWARD. AS I WAS LISTENING TO COMMENTS TONIGHT THE ONES I'M GOING TO DRAW FORWARD, TRAFFIC WOULD BE ONE. WE'VE ALREADY COMMUNICATED IN BOTH MEETINGS THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE 100% BEHIND. WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING -- WORKING WITH THE CITY ENGINEER'S OFFICE AS WELL AS THE O. C. S. TO IDENTIFY A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR IMPACT WOULD BE ON THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND WORKING TO CREATE A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE POSITIVE MOVING FORWARD. AND TYPICALLY WHILE THAT IS DONE DURING DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE THAT IS IMPORTANT HERE AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE WE'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS. THEY'RE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. THEY'RE THINGS WE TAKE SAFETY AS A CORE VALUE. AT CONOR PRAIRIE WE ACTIVATE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF KIDS OVER THE YEARS UP THERE AND SAFETY IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IS A KEY COMPONE DON'T WHAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON. WE'RE PREPARED TO WORK WITH THE CITY, THE POLICE, TO WORK THROUGH T.

A. C. ANY COMMENTS THAT COME UP TO ADDRESS THAT SO WE CAN UTILIZE THAT TO IMPROVE OUR MASTER PLAN.

FROM A DEVELOPMENT DESIGN I THINK NORMAN MENTIONED THE FOOD, FARM AND ENERGY MENTIONED. WHY IS IT HERE? WELL, IN PRIMARILY HE SAID I'M GOING TO SUMMARIZE QUICKLY, IT'S THERE BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE IT WAS.

THIS IS WHERE THE FARMS LILLY'S HOUSE AND FARM WAS AND WHERE THE AGRICULTURE TOOK PLACE, MOVING THAT COMPONENT ANYWHERE ELSE WOULD BE DISINGENUOUS TO THE HISTORY. FILLING IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WE GO FORWARD IS WORKING AROUND THE FLOOD PLAINS AND THINGS LIKES THAT THAT EXIST THERE SO WE CAN ADAPT OUR BUILDING PLANS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WITHIN THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE TREES AND WETLANDS THAT IS, THAT ARE THERE. FROM A SITE SUSTAINABILITY IT'S INTERESTING THIS HAS BEEN A KEY, AN ISSUE. WE HAVE BEEN PARTNERS WITH ITEM. D. N.

R. THE WHITE RIVER ALLIANCE, FISH AND WILD LYE.

IN FACT ON ONE OF THE PROJECTS WE'RE WORKING ON THAT NORRAN MENTIONED THE OBJECTION BOW TRAIL WE FOUND AN EAGLE'S NEST AND AS A PARTNER WITH THOSE AGENCIES, WE WENT THROUGH AND REDESIGNED OUR TRAIL SYSTEM TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SO WE CAN MAKE THAT AN EDUCATIONAL SPOT AND FOCUSING ON THAT SO PEOPLE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO PROTECT THE NATIVE HABITAT. IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT WHAT WE DO ON THE CARMEL SIDE. WE HAVE THE IDEA OF THE ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE THAT WE'LL TAKE SERIOUSLY.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL TRY TO PUSH THIS THROUGH BUT THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US. SITE SUSTAINABILITY WE ARE AREA WORKING WITH D. N. R. I THINK IT WAS TALKED ABOUT REFORESTING, I THINK WE'RE THE FIRST PARTNER THAT HAS EARN GAGED WITH D. N. R. ON THEIR I. L. F. PROGRAM AND A VOLUNTEER PROPERTY THROUGHOUT BOTH SIDES OF THE CAMPUS TO ACTUALLY IMPROVE WETLANDS MITIGATION, PROVIDE ACREAGE FOR THAT AS WELL AS REFORESTING EXTREME MITIGATION AND REFORESTING ALONG THE AREAS FOR THE REASON THEY SAID, IT HELPS IMPROVES OUR AQUIFER AND THINGS OF THOSE NATURE. THOSE ARE INCORPORATED INTO OUR DESIGN. FROM A HEIGHTS RESTRICTION SETBACKS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SIX STORY BUILDINGS ON THIS CAMPUS.

WE'RE WILLING TO DISCUSS OVERVIEW SETBACKS WITH STAFF. I HAVE ONLY ONE MORE THING, I'M OUT TIME BUT IN GENERAL WE'RE HERE TO WORK WITH YOU AND AS THE PROCESS, I WANT TO SAY WE AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE A SLOW AND DELIBERATE PROCESS AND NOT SOMETHING THAT IS RUSHED THROUGH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. STAFF REPORT. >> THANK YOU. AGAIN FOR THE REPORT RACHEL KEYS LING PLANNER WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. TONIGHT WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT A NEW PLAN FOR THIS LAND BETWEEN RIVER ROAD AND THE

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1. IN MY DEPARTMENT REPORT I OUTLINED USES ALLOWED TODAY BY EACH OF THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS. MANY OF THESE USES ARE SIMILAR OR THE SAME AS WHAT CONOR PRAIRIE IS PROPOSING SUCH AS FARMLAND.

OTHERS SUCH AS A COMMUNITY CENTER OR AN AMENITY AREA COULD BE IN LINE WITH THE RESTAURANT OR AN OFFICE OR A COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL FACILITY.

SOME USES SUCH AS EDUCATION COULD BE ALLOWED THROUGH A SPECIAL USE REQUEST IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS IN THE S. 1 DISTRICT. THROUGH THIS PUD REQUEST THE PETITIONER IS ESSENTIALLY ASKING FOR SPECIAL CONSIDERATION OF THEIR ENTIRE PROGRAM AND PLAN FOR THE SITE.

IN THE DECISION CRITERIA FOR, OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERING PUDS, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE MUST PAY ATTENTION TO ARE UNUSUAL SITE CONDITIONS OR SURROUNDINGS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CURRENT SITE CONDITIONS AND RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH.

THE MAJORITY OF THE ACREAGE HERE IS PRIMARILY IN THE FLOODWAY AND THE FLOOD PLAIN WITH THE SMALL AREA ALONG RIVER ROAD THAT IS ACTUALLY SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. THAT ALONE MEETS THE UNUSUAL SITE CONDITIONS STIPULATION. WE HAVE SEEN OTHER DEVELOPERS WHO WISH TO FILL IN WETLANDS OR FILL IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND DO OFF-SITE MITIGATION TO COMPLETE THEIR NEW BUILDINGS OR PROJECTS WITHOUT REGARD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. THIS PETITIONER IS DIFFERENT IN THAT THEY'RE EMBRACING THE RIVER. THEY'RE EMBRACING THE EXISTING WETLANDS AND THEY WANT TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE THE FEATURES AS WELL AS PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO LEARN ABOUT THEM. IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD TO WORK VERY HARD TO TIE SOME DEVELOPERS TO CERTAIN PLANS.

WHEN THEY PRESENT PUDS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE ASSURANCINGS WHAT HAVE THEY WANT TO DO AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DEVELOP IN OUR COMMUNITY. HERE WE HAVE THE OPPOSITE. WE HAVE A DETAILED LONG RANGE PLAN FROM A REPUTABLE LONG STANDING COMMUNITY PARTNER.

IN THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS AREA IS IDENTIFIED UNDER THE WHITE RIVER DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. THE PURPOSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN STATES A CLEAN, ECOLOGICAL HISTORICAL CONNECTED AND ACTIVE ASSET FOR THE RESIDENTS OF CARMEL AND THE GREATER REGION TO EXPERIENCE, REDECIDE IN AND ENJOY.

-- RESIDE IN AND ENJOY. THE PETITIONER PROPOSED PLAN ALIGNS WITH THE PURPOSE STATEMENT AND OVERTIME COULD BRING THESE IDEAS TO FULFILLMENT. I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT THE 3 C. PLAN, THAT IS THE ORIGINAL OR WELL THE PRIOR CARMEL CLAY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM 2009, IT DID IDENTIFY THE WHITE RIVER GREENWAY AS A CRITICAL CORRIDOR THAT REMAINS TO BE STUD ED OR PLANNED IN DETAIL. AS WE HEARD FROM THE PETITIONER EARLIER, THE WHITE RIVER VISION PLAN FOR INDIANAPOLIS AND HAMILTON COUNTY THAT DID START IN 2016 AND WAS EVENTUALLY RELEASED IN 2020. AND WHILE THE CITY CARMEL WAS NOT THE BODY THAT INITIATED THAT STUDY, WE WERE AN ACTIVE MEMBER IN THE PROCESS.

THEN AS THE PETITIONER STATED, THEY HAVE BEGUN WORK ON THEIR MASTER PLANNING FOR THEIR PORTION OF THE WHITE RIVER ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND HAVE BROUGHT IN MANY COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

REGARDING THE ACTUAL PUD DOCUMENT, THERE ARE MANY CHANGES AND EDITS THAT WE'VE PROPOSED BACK AND FORTH IN OUR REVIEW. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOES PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR RESPONSIBLE FUTURE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT AND AGREE THAT WE SHOULD TAKE OUR TIME IN STUDYING IT AND REVIEWING IT CAREFULLY. SO WE RECOMMEND SENDING THIS ITEM TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 1ST FOR FURTHER REVIEW. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, RACHEL. WITH THAT I'LLES ENCLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? START DOWN HERE. THERE ARE.

>> I'M GLAD TO HEAR IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT TO WORK THROUGH. THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGER CROWDS THAT WE GET FOR AN ITEM LIKE THIS. SO WE NEED TO TAKE EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS INTO THIS PROCESS. SO IT WILL BE A LONG PROCESS.

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>> NOT OFTEN DO I FEEL THE NEED TO WAIVE MY I'M THE PARKS BOARD APPOINTEE FLAG BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO ACKNOWLEDGE -- HOW TO SAY THIS -- ACKNOWLEDGE MY ROLE IN THAT BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY I THINK TO THE POINT OF THIS IS I LOOK AT THIS AS A REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO AS COUNCIL FINGHAM TOOK THE TIME TO COME AND EXPLAIN TO US TONIGHT THAT WE HAVE REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO SOMETHING VERY, VERY SPECIAL FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

AND I AGREE WITH COUNCIL RIDER THAT IT SHOULD BE A LONG PROCESS. I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE TOO, PEOPLE WHO ARE FEARFUL OF WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN.

I DON'T NEED TO USE THIS PHRASE VERY OFTEN BUT I LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT AT ONE POINT IN TIME WHEN YOU ASKED THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANTED THEIR RESPONSE WAS I WANT A BETTER BUGGY WHIP. AND THEY DIDN'T THINK -- THE PEOPLE AT THE TIME DIDN'T THINK TO ASK FOR A TESLA.

AND I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT WE SHOOT FOR THE STARS AND LEAVE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF HERE. WHEN I THINK OF PLACES THAT I VISITED ECOLODGES IN WORLD HEART TAJ AREAS AROUND THE GLOBE, OR SOME OF THE ITEMS WE KNOW THAT WERE MISSING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS IN SUCH A THOUGHTFUL WAY, I JUST CHALLENGE US TO REALLY PUSH BEYOND WHAT WE THINK WE CAN DO. WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY GREAT PARTNERS TO WORK WITH. THAT'S IT.

>> THANKS, JOSH. >> FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO SAY CONOR PRAIRIE HAS BEEN THE SOURCE OF MUCH JOY FOR MY FAMILY OTHERS THE YEARS SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I CONCUR WITH JOSH. I THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL PROJECT. I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO HELP CREATE SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND WE'VE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO TRY TO PROTECT THE WEST SIDE OF CARMEL. THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I THINK WE NEED TO PROTECT THE EAST SIDE OF CARMEL AND THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. IT'S JUST EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT TO PROTECT THOSE RESIDENTS ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN AS THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN.

SO I THINK THERE'S A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY HERE.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK, ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN BUILD IN PROXIMITY TO A SCHOOL? AREN'T THERE SOME TYPES OF RESTRICTIONS WHERE YOU CAN ONLY BUILD OR THERE ARE

RESTRICTIONS? >> WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

GET BACK TO YOU. >> OKAY. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO TALK ABOUT WITH THIS. AND A LOT TO WORK THROUGH, BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO REMAIN MINDFUL OF PROTECTING THOSE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS. . AS JOSH SAID THIS CAN BE A SPECIAL PROJECT, THERE IS MANY ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE GREAT. IF I WAS TO SAY THERE ARE TWO OVERARCHING CONCERNS I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THERETO IS THE FIRST ONE IS WHEN I READ THE TEXT OF THE PUD IT'S VERY, VERY VAGUE. WHEN I LOOK AT THE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES OF BUILDINGS WITH ALL THIS BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING, THEN I READ WHAT IS IN THE PUD, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF DETAIL AND IF THE PUD GET APPROVED THAT IS THE ZONING OF THE LAND.

SO I REALLY WANT TO BE VERY PURPOSEFUL AND DELIBERATE AND REALLY GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS. SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DESCRIPTION EXACTLY OF WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. THERE IS CHARACTER IMAGES BUT IT STATES THIS IS -- WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO THIS. THE LANDSCAPING PLAN REFERENCES THE U. D. O. WE LIKE TO GO OVER AND ABOVE WHAT IS IN THE U. D. O. FOR A PUD SO I WANT TO DRILL DOWN ON SOME OF THE DETAILS. THEN WITH REGARDS TO AROUND THE SCHOOL, I SAID THIS WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSION MORE THAN ONCE, I FEEL STRONGLY THAT LAND PLANNING AROUNDS OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE DONE IN SUCH A WAY AS TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF THE SCHOOL CAMPUS, NOT TO CREATE MORE PROBLEMS FROM TRAFFIC OR TO RAISE SAFETY ISSUES.

I'M SURE THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THIS PUD, BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME MORE WORK WE NEED TO DO. THIS WILL LIKELY BE A LONG PROCESS. BUT I THINK THIS, IN THE

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SPECIAL. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THE D.

O. C. S. HAS REPRESENTED MANY OF THE COMMUNICATES THROUGH THE T. A. C. REGARDING THE CHARACTER AND COMING UP WITH MEASURABLE UNDERSTANDINGS OF WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE BUILD AND MATERIALITY. WE'LL CONTINUE

TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT. >> JEFF, DID YOU HAVE

SOMETHING? >> I WOULD ECHO WHEN CHRISTINE SAID. THE RENDERS WE'VE SEEN, THE -- RENDERINGS WE'VE SEEN, THE VIEW OF WHAT THIS COULD BE LOOKS GREAT. LIKE I SAID IT IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THOUGHTFUL IN HOW WE STRUCTURE THE PUD SO WE CAN GET WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GETTING, MR. ALEXANDER ALREADY TOUCHED ON ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO MENTION. I GUESS JUST FROM MY INTERACTION WITH CONOR PRAIRIE ON THE FISHER SIDE, THERE ARE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED THERE. THEY ARE A BIG TRAFFIC DRIVERS SO TO THE EXTENT THERE IS TRAFFIC DATA STUDY THAT IS CAN SHOW GIVEN THE USES THE AMOUNT OF SPACE WE'VE GOT HERE PERHAPS THE CITY'S INFRASRUCTURE CAN HANDLE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, FEAR OF SIGNIFICANT EVENTS PERHAPS THAT WOULD GO

A LONG WAY. >> WE'RE PREPARED AND ARE ALREADY ENGAGING WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER EVEN BEFORE WE GET THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF WHAT WE'RE BEING LOOKED TO LOOK AT. WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

>> I'M LOOKING AT THIS. IN 1988 WHEN I FIRST ATTENDED -- WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE HAD A PROPOSED PROJECT THAT CAME INTO CARMEL. WE WEREN'T AS DEVELOPED OBVIOUSLY AS WE ARE NOW, AND I WAS TOTALLY BEFUDDLED BY THE FACTS THAT SOME MEMBERS WERE READY TO VOTE IN A NOTE AND I ASKED THAT THE THING BE CONTINUED AND THEY LOOKED AT ME LIKE I WAS NUTS AND I FEEL AFTER ALL THOSE YEARS THE SAME THING WITH THIS PROJECT, THAT THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE SUCH A HUGE IMPACT. NOT ONLY DO WE NEED TO TAKE OUR TIME WITH THIS, BUT WE NEED TO BE SLOW AND METHODICAL IN OUR METHODS OF REVIEWING THIS. AND I WAS THINKING THAT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A WHILE. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT -- I WILL TELL YOU AS CHAIRMAN OF THAT COMMITTEE, AT LEAST UNTIL THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR TIME WITH THIS AND LOOK INTO THIS THING. YOU MENTIONED, I WAS THINKING YOU AND JEFF ARE ON THE SAME WAVE LENGTH HERE.

BEFORE YOU COME INTO THAT COMMITTEE MEETING, DO YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY? AND IF NOT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND I THINK THE COMMITTEE WOULD, WE WANT TO SEE A DETAILED TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, NOT ONLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF -- HOW IT'S THE RO, THE SCHOOL, WHATEVER ON THE WEST SIDE BUT THE EAST SIDE AS WELL BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE A MAGNET THAT'S GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER AND WHERE THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF CONOR PRAIRIE IS NOW.

AROUND THE RIVER INTO WHAT THIS PROPOSED NEW DEVELOPMENT MIGHT BE. SO TO ME, THIS IMPACTS THE EAST SIDE IMPACTS IF NOT AS MUCH IT DOES IMPACT WHAT IT GOES ON THE WEST SIDE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT TRAFFIC STUDY. SO IS THAT POSSIBLE TO HAVE BY NOVEMBER 1ST?

>> BY NOVEMBER 1ST. I DOUBT IT. WE HAVE ALREADY ENGAGED WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER FOR ALLISONVILLE ROAD FOR THE WORKS THAT IS IDENTIFIED AS PART OF OUR SITE MASTER PLAN ON THE FISHER SIDE.

AS WE RELOOK AT RENOVATING OUR EXISTING MUSEUM EXPERIENCE CENTER WHICH WILL INCLUDE SOME SITE CHANGES THAT WILL IMPROVE THE -- I KNOW THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT WHICH IS NOT AN ISSUE ON A DAILY OCCURRENCE BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE SYMPHONY ON THE PRAIRIE TRAFFIC THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE ISSUES. WE'LL HAVE THAT DONE. WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE ENGINEER'S OFFICE TO IDENTIFY THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF THIS BUT WE'RE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BUT IT'LL

NOT BE READY NOVEMBER 1. >> IF NOT NOVEMBER 1, NO ACTION IS GOING TO BE -- IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TAKEN ON NOVEMBER 1. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY ACTION TAKEN UNTIL THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS

BROUGHT FORTH. >> THIS IS FINE.

>> MR. VICE PRESIDENT, MAY I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION?

>> YES, GO AHEAD. >> BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION,

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COMMITTEE. I -- >> THEY DON'T WANT TO SCREW UP THEIR SCHEDULE FOR NOVEMBER 1, BUT I --

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S -- YOU TALK ABOUT BEING ON THE SAME THING. WHEN I WAS MAKING MY LITTLE HISTORY LESSON, THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE IS THAT PERHAPS THIS IS GOING TO TAKE -- YOU KNOW,THE SCOPE OF THIS IS GOING TO DEMAND A COMMITTEE OF THE

WHOLE. >> MAYBE WE COULD ASK THE PETITIONER, DOES -- IS THAT AMENABLE TO YOU TO MAYBE REOVAL THE SCHEDULE AND DO A COMMITTEE OF THE -- I'M NOT ASKING YOUR PERMISSION FOR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE BUT HOW DOES THIS AFFECT YOUR SCHEDULE OR --

>> I THINK BASED UPON WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS MEETING TONIGHT WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HEAR THIS AND MAKE THE CONSIDERATION YOU ARE DOING.

WE'RE HAPPY TO MOVE PAST NOVEMBER 1ST AND CONTINUE TO STUDY AND LOOK AT THINGS BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK.

>> WITH THAT, MR. VICE PRESIDENT, MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION OF STAFF. CAN WE LOOK AT HOW WE CAN MAYBE DO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MUCH LIKE WE DID WITH THE COMP PLAN AND TRY TO WORK THROUGH --

>> WITHOUT OBJECTION, I WOULD DIRECT THE STAFF TO LOOK INTO THIS AND SO THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO MESS UP THE SCHEDULES OF THE COMMITTEES, GET BACK, YOU KNOW, TO US AND LET US KNOW IF WE CAN SCHEDULE A COMMITTEE -- TURN THIS INTO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE VERSUS JUST SETTING IT TO COMMERCIAL.

>> MAYBE YOU CAN EVEN LOOK FORWARD AT SOME DATES. WE KNOW THIS ISN'T GOING TO GO TO ONE COMMITTEE. YOU KNOW.

MAYBE WE CAN TRY TO PLAN SOME STUFF OUT.

>> MR. PRESIDENT -- >> I DON'T MEAN TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE, MR. VICE PRESIDENT.

>> I WAS ON THE SAME WAVE LENGTH.

>> MR. PRESIDENT. >> YES, SIR.

>> I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT THE PETITIONER WHILE YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE IF YOU ARE FIGHTING TO KILL SOMETHING AT THE SAME TIME FIGHT TO MAKE IT THE BEST IT CAN BE. SO WE'RE WORKING ON BOTH ENDS. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE LAND? LESS INTENSE OPPOSITES. KEEP IT IN MIND BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS, ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS? ALSO THIS WILL -- TONIGHT WILL END THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT IT DOESN'T END PUBLIC INPUT. CONTINUE TO SEND US INPUT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. WE DO READ THE LETTERS, WE'LL READ E-MAILS SO MAKE SURE YOU STAY IN TOUCH WITH US THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. THANK YOU.

>> EVEN THOUGH THIS -- IF THIS GOES TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, WHEN IT COMES OUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE A VOTE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL VOTE. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. SO IT DOESN'T END HERE. [PAUSE]

>> I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO REMEMBER THAT ONE OF THE REVISIONS IN THE COVERAGE PLAN IS ONE STORY BUILDINGS ALONG THE WHITE RIVER. WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT RIGHT NOW, TOO. SO THAT WOULD MODIFY OR COULD MODIFY SOME OF THE PLANS AT HAND. JUST TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS

WELL. >> THIS WOULD BE A PUD SO THIS WOULD BE ITS OWN ZONING ORDINANCE.

>> MR. PRESIDENT? IF IT'S GOING TO CAM BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WHICH I AGREE WITH, I WOULD JUST ASK PETITIONERS TO ADDRESS, THERE ARE MANY COMMENTS IN THE LETTERS ABOUT WHY NOT BUILD AT LEAST THE HOTEL SITE ON THE FISHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN THE CARMEL SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. I'M NOT ADVOCATINGS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE ICE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT MORE COMPLETELY WHEN YOU COME COME BACK FOR

THE NEXT HEARING. >> MR. VICE PRESIDENT, MAY I

MAKE A MOTION? >> YOU MAY.

>> I MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WITH OBVIOUS FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY.

>> MOVED AND SEND WE HAD SEND THIS TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF -- OH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IT WILL BE SENT TO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. RACHEL, THANK YOU FOR

COORDINATING THIS. >> WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE

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>> MR. PRESIDENT? >> YES, SIR.

>> JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW IT'S NOT RUDE TO GET UP AND LEAVE AFTER YOUR ITEM. SO DON'T FEEL RUDE TO GET UP. [LAUGHTER] ALSO, MR. PRESIDENT -- [LAUGHTER]

>> JUST TIP TOE OUT, PLEASE. >> MR. PRESIDENT.

>> YES, SIR. >> WITHOUT OBJECTION I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE PAST AND I'M GOING TO BRING IT UP AS A CHANGE TO OUR AGENDA, OUR OLD BUSINESS IS TYPICALLY AN ITEM THAT CAME HERE AND SPENT TIME IN A PUBLIC HEARING. AND HAS GONE THROUGH THE COMMITTEE PROCESS AND THE WAY OUR AGENDA IS ET IS UP, WE MAKE THEM WAIT THROUGH ALL OF THE LONG HEARINGS OF ANY ITEMS, I WOULD ASK WE DEAL WITH THE OLD BUSINESS NEXT. IT'S ONE

ITEM. RUT OBJECTION. >> SO MOVED -- WITHOUT

OPTION. >> BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

WE SUSPEND OUR RULES TO ALLOW OLD BUSINESS TO BE HEARD AT THIS TIME. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED?

>> I WOULD ALSO ASK STAFF IF WE COULD LOOK AND LEGALS IF WE COULD LOOK AT CHANGING OUR AGENDA TO PUT OLD BUSINESS FIRST ON THE AGENDA INSTEAD OF LAST PLEASE.

>> IT WOULD REQUIRE AMENDING THE RULES BUT IT COULD BE

DONE. >> WE'D LIKE THAT TO COME.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY. SO GO AHEAD. STEP

[I. Old Business]

CLAY TERRACE HILTON TEMPO HOTEL. THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN AND DESIGN APPROVAL FOR A NEW HOTEL ON 1 ACRE. IT WILL BE 5 STORIES TALL, 70 FEET WITH 150 ROOMS AND A ROOF TO HAVE RESTAURANT OPINION THE SITE IS AT 14311 CLAY TERRACE BOULEVARD. IN CLAY TERRACE. THE SITE IS ZONED PUD Z.-662-20. FILED BY MARK LEACH OF FAGER DRINKER ON BEHALF OF CLAY TERRACE PARTNERS L. L. C.

>> YES, GOOD EVENING, I'M MARK LEACH WITH FAGER DRINKER, WE BELIEVE THIS CLAY TERRACE HOTEL PROJECT MEETS ALL PUD STANDARDS AND THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OUTSTANDING ITEMS, WE WANT TO THANK RACHEL FOR HER WORK ON THE PROJECT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, WOULD YOU GIVE A STAFF REPORT.

>> YES, RACHEL KEYS LING, PLANNER WITH DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AT OUR OCTOBER 6TH COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE MEETING, THE PETITIONER HAD PROVIDED ANSWERS TO AUTOMAKER OF OUR OUTSTANDING DEPARTMENT -- ALL OF OUR OUTSTANDING DEPARTMENT REPORT ITEMS, I'LL GO OVER THOSE QUICKLY. IT WAS CLARIFIED THAT THE INTENTION FOR THE CENTRAL GREEN SPACE AT CLAY TERRACE HAD BEEN TO REPURPOSE IT BUILD INCLUDE REMOVING THE TREES THERE. THEY ARE GOING TO PRESERVE SOME TREES NOW.

BUT IF A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES THROUGH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE GREEN, THOSE TREES MAY GO IN THE FUTURE.

ADDITIONAL DETAILS WERE PROVIDED ON LIGHTING, ROOF TOP SCREENING AND LONG TERM LIKE PARKING WITHIN THE BUILDING. THE ARCHITECT WENT OVER THE DESIGN INTENT AND MATERIALS OF THE BUILDING. ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS REQUESTED THAT THE PEDESTRIAN TRAIL ADJACENT TO U.S. 31 BE RECONSTRUCTED FIRST SO THAT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IS NOT IMPEDED DURING THE CRUSHING -- CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOTEL. THEY WERE GENERALLY AGREEABLE TO THAT IN THE SEQUENCING OF MAKING THAT WORK. SO THIS WAS SENT BACK TO YOU TONIGHT WITH A 3-0 POSITIVE RECOMMENDS. WE DO RECOMMEND YOU APPROVE

TONIGHT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. UNLESS MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO THIS, I WOULD LET RACHEL'S REPORT STAND AS A

COMMITTEE REPORT. >> MR. V.

>> YES. >> MAY I MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

WE APPROVE P. Z. 202200146 D. P./A. D. L. S. CLAY TERRACE HILTON TEMPO HOTEL. IT STAND APPROVED.

>> WE SAVED THE PETITIONER MONEY FOR NOT SITTING THERE FOR TWO MORE HOURS WITH THEIR CONSULTANTS.

>> WHAT DID THIS SUSPENSION OF THE RULES COST.

>> WE'LL TAKE 10%. [LAUGHTER]

[H. Public Hearings (Part 2 of 2)]

>> OKAY GETTING BACK TO OUR AGENDA, WE HAVE DOCKET NUMBER P. Z. 2022-00188 O. A. STREET TYPOLOGY AMENDMENTS. THE AIKMAN SEEKS TO AMEND THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO UPDATE REFERENCES

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COMMISSION. ADRIAN. >> ADRIAN KEELING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF BIG PICTURE ITEMS TONIGHT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TONIGHT. NOW WE'RE DRILLING DOWN DEEP INTO THE U. D. O. REGARDING SEVERAL STREET TYPES THAT HAVE BEEN AMENDED OR ARE SOON TO BE AMENDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THOSE WHO HAVE FOLLOWED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL LIKELY RECALL THAT THE EXISTING C. 3 PLAN HAS A NUMBER OF STREET TYPES, AND I'VE, I'M SHOWING THE TRANSLATION LIST THAT I INCLUDED IN YOUR INFORMATION PACKETS. ON THE LEFT ARE ALL THE STREET TYPES MAPPED ON THE C. 3 PLANS, THOROUGH FARE PLAN AND ON THE FAR RIGHT IS THE LIST OF STREET TYPES MAPPED IN THIS ALMOST APPROVED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO WE HAVE REMAINING ON THE MAP KEYSTONE PARKWAY, ARTERIAL BOULEVARD, COLLECTOR STREETS AND LOCAL STREETS AND YOU WILL RECALL THERE ARE OTHER SMALLER STREET OPPOSITES THAT AREN'T MAPPED THAT ARE MORE DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS IN CASE THEY COME UP. SO WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES TONIGHT IS -- I WON'T GO INTO ALL OF THOSE PAGES BECAUSE IT'S FAIRLY TECHNICAL, BUT IT REVISES SECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE U. D. O. WHERE ANY OF THE STREET TYPES ARE LISTED AS -- THAT EITHER AS A REFERENCE OR ARE, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENTIATED BY SPECIFIC STREET TYPES, FOR EXAMPLE A LARGER PERIMETER BUFFER YARD AROUND THE SUBDIVISION IS REQUIRED ALONG LARGER STREET TYPES. SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS REQUIRED ALONG CERTAIN INTERSECTIONS OF STREET TYPES. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY MUNDANE INFORMATION AND DETAILED IF YOU GET INTO IT. I'LL -- I WILL -- THIS IS THE THOROUGH FARE PLAN MAP THAT MAPS ALL OF THOSE STREET TYPES. BUT YOU CAN SEE JUST A QUICK SCROLL THROUGH THE ORDINANCE. WE COVER A LOT OF GROUND HERE FROM SETBACKS IN THE MERIDIAN CORRIDOR DISTRICT TO WHERE VEHICULAR ENTRANCES COULD, ARE REQUIRED IN THE HOME PLACE OVERLAY TO THE, YOU KNOW CERTAIN THINGS IN THE MICHIGAN ROAD OVERLAY.

ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL, URBAN CORE AND MERIDIAN CORRIDOR DISTRICTS, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF ANY WHERE WE HAVE A STREET TYPE LISTED THAT DOESN'T EXIST ANY MORE FROM THE C. 3 PLAN, WE'VE GOT TO CHANGE THOSE IN THE U. T. O. -- YOU WANT D. O. HOWEVER THE INTENT IS TO KEEP THOSE THAT DO REFERENCE STREET TYPES AS CONSIST FROM THE OLD AS WE TRANSLATE FROM THE OLD TO NEW STREET TYPES. NOT THE MOTORISTING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT -- MOST RIVETTING ORDINANCE BUT NECESSARY NONETHELESS AS WE'RE TRANSITIONING TO A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THIS BE SENT TO COMMITTEE. I HAD RECOMMENDED THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE THINKING THAT THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE MIGHT BE OTHERWISE ENGAGED WITH CONOR PRAIRIE AND SOME OTHER PROJECTS. SO I'M OPEN TO WHICHEVER COMMITTEE THE WORK LOAD MAKES SENSE FOR THIS TO GO TO, BUT ASK THAT THE FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY REMAIN WITH THE COMMITTEE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. RACHEL. IS THERE A -- YEAH. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

CORRECT? >> YES.

>> IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN EITHER -- IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST THIS PETITION? SEEING NONE, NOW RACHEL. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WAS IT

FORMALLY OPENED? >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> MEMBERS OF THE

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AHEAD. >> THIS TO ME THIS SEEMS PERFUNCTORY CLEANUP LANGUAGE . DO YOU WANT IT TO GO TO COMMERCIAL OR DO YOU WANT IT TO GO TO

RESIDENTIAL? >> I WAS GOING TO ASK IF --

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> I WAS --

>> I WAS GOING TO ALSO MENTION IT'S A SHAME THAT EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD THINKS THAT ADRIAN IS A BUREAUCRAT. SHE IS ACTUALLY REALLY COOL AND FUN TO HANG OUT WITH. SHE DOESN'T JUST COME WITH BORING LANGUAGE CHANGES FOR US.

>> I WOULD MOVE WE SUSPEND RULES AND ADOPT THIS

EVENING. >> IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND -- ALL IN FAVOR OF SUSPENDING RULES SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND

SENDED WE APPROVE. >> TO CLARIFY THIS WOULD BE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNSEL.

>> MOVED AND APPROVED THAT -- MOVED AND SECONDED WE SEND A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION ON P. Z.

20022-00188 O. A. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED?

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. BEEN SENT.

MOVING ALONG, LAST ITEM DOCKET NUMBER P. Z.

20022-00194 C. A. 1191TH AND PENNSYLVANIA, C. 2 DISTRICT COMMITMENT AMENDMENT.

THE APPLICANT SEEKS APPROVAL TO MODIFY COMMITMENTS MADE IN CONJUNCTION WITH REZONE ORDINANCE Z. 628-17 R. S. TO C. 2. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 111TH STREET AND PENNSYLVANIA STREET AND IS ZONED C. 2/MIXED USE.

FILED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION. NOW MAY I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING BUT MAY I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST THIS PETITION? KEEP THEM UP. 8. GOT 8? 9. 9 SAME THING, WE'LL ADD 20 MINUTES TOTAL AND FOR TWO MINUTES EACH. PROCEED.

>> THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I'M WAITING ON A SLIDE. IF THE BOOTH CAN GO IN HERE.

BUT HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. DIRECTOR DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO REQUEST A COUPLE OF SMALL COMMITMENTS RECORDED WITH ORDINANCE Z.

628-17 WHICH WAS A REZONE FOR THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF 111TH AND PENN AND THE, HERE IS THE SITE AERIAL.

THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED IN LATE 2017 AFTER A RATHER LENGTHY REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS THAT RESULTED IN THE C. 2 MIXED USE ZONING AND ALONG WITH THAT THERE WERE 12 RECORDED COMMITMENTS WHICH WERE ALL IN YOUR PACKET AND THEY'RE ALL ON-LINE AS WELL.

SO THE REASON FOR THE COMMITMENTS LARGELY I BELIEVE WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE CONCEPT PLAN WHICH IS ON THE SCREEN HERE THAT WENT ALONG WITH THE PROJECT, AND THIS IS REALLY ONE OF A NUMBER OF ITERATIONS THAT OCCURRED OVER THE COURSE OF MONTHS OF GIVE AND TAKE, IT WAS AN EARLY C. 2 REZONE.

WE'RE TRYING TO PERFECT OUR PROCESS AND THE DEVELOPER THAT WAS THE PARTNER WITH THE CITY AT THE TIME TRIED THEIR BEST AND ULTIMATELY THE ZONING DID OCCUR BY THE 12 COMMITMENTS CLEARLY ADDRESSED A LOT OF THOSE OUTSTOPPING ISSUES THAT THE COMMISSION FELT IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PUT IN WRITING AS RECORDED

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THERE'S STRUCTURED PARKING. THAT FLEXES BETWEEN THE OFFICE AND THE RESIDENTIAL. AND THERE IS A SMALL COMMERCIAL RETAIL COMPONENT WHICH IS ONE OF THE AMENDMENT REQUESTS OF THE COMMITMENTSSY WILL -- I'LL WALK THROUGH IN REVERSE ORDER I GUESS WHAT THE PROPOSALS ARE AND I'LL PARAPHRASE THEN IF WE NEED TO WE CAN GO THROUGH AND IN GREATER DETAIL BUT OF THE 12, NUMBER 5 WAS RELATED TO CULTURAL AND ENTERTAINMENT USES. WITH THE PREVIOUS PLAN, AND THE PREVIOUS COMMITMENTS, THEY WERE PROIBILITIED COMMERCIAL, RETAIL AND SERVICE, CULTURAL AND ENTERTAINMENT WERE PROHIBITED EAT OF THE NORTH SOUTH RIDE. THIS IS THE NORTH SOUTH ROAD WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS AN EXTENSION OF WASHINGTON CONNECTING WITH 111TH STREET. SO IN THE PREVIOUS COMMITMENTS, CULTURAL AND ENTERTAINMENT AND RETAIL AND SERVICES WON'T BE ALLOWED EXCEPT IF IT WAS A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGH. THE NEW PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW A LIMITED NUMBER OF USES TO THE GROUND FLOOR OF THESE BUILDINGS, OF THIS BUILDING -- YOU CAN'T SEE THE CURSOR. I'M SORRY. YOU CAN'T SEE THAT EITHER. THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO AROUND THAT CENTRAL GREEN SPACE.

THE NEXT REQUEST FOR CHANGE IS THAT WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN OR THE PREVIOUS PLAN IN THOSE COMMIMENTS, THERE WAS A PHYSICAL CONNECTION WITH WASHINGTON BOULEVARD, BUT THAT CONNECTION WOULD BE LIMITED TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES ONLY.

SO IN PREVIOUS PROJECTS, APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE HAS BEEN AN EMERGENCY CONNECTION THAT HAD BALLARDS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE KNOCKS LOCKS AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY IF NECESSARY, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE THIS EVENING IS THAT CONNECTION AND THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS WOULD BE ELIMINATED. I KNOW THAT PET CORE HAS HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THEY HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS WANT AND THEIR HOPE HERE WAS TO BE NEIGHBORLY. SO THE CONNECTION IS PROPOSED TO BE ELIMINATED. ED THIRD AMENDMENT WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMITMENTS, ALL OF THE BUILDING ALONG PENNSYLVANIA WOULD BE FOUR STORY AND THE REQUEST SPECIFICALLY TO THE PLAN IS THAT THE NORTHERN MOST BUILDING WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE 3 STORY. THE COMMITMENT ITSELF SAYS 500 FEET WHICH WOULD BE SLIGHTLY NORTH OF THAT EAST-WEST THOROUGH FARE THAT TERMINATES AT A ROUNDABOUT AT PENNSYLVANIA STREET WE'RE VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

THE CONCEPT PLAN HAS WELL RECEIVED BY THE C. R. C. AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. THE CITY COUNCIL AS APPROVED

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AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. WILL THE INDIVIDUALS WHOSE HANDS WERE RAISED TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST PLEASE ARISE AND LINE UP IF YOU WOULD PLIES -- PLEASE ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO YOUR LEFT.

STEP UP TO THE MIKE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THE AREA OF CARMEL IN WHICH YOU RESIDE.

YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES EAST.

>> I'M NANCY TATUM AND I LIVE IN LEXINGTON FARMS. I AM SPEAKING AS A STEWARD OF THE FEW REMAINING FORESTS THAT ARE LEFT IN THE CITY OF CARMEL.

I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA. BUT I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THIS IS EARLY IN THE PROCESS. SO MAYBE SOMETHINGS CAN BE LOOKED AT DIFFERENTLY AND MAYBE POSSIBLY CHANGED. THIS PROPERTY HAS OPEN ACRES THAT HAVE BEEN FARMED PLUS SEVERAL ACRES OF MAT MATURE FOREST ON THE NORTH SIDE. I WOULD SUGGEST THEY BUILD ON THE AGRICULTURAL ACRES AND LEAVE THE TREES ALONE. I ASK THE PLAN COMMISSION TO NOT ALLOW THIS FOREST TO BE CUT IN ANY FORM OR FASHION.

I DID READ THAT AND SEE THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SOME GREEN SPACE AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW SAYING THAT I CAN READ THIS DRAWING THAT GREAT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE GREEN SPACE IS MAYBE NOT ANY LARGER THAN A FEW ROUNDABOUTS. I READ THAT SINCE THE GREEN SPACE WOULD BE IN THE DESIGN OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WELL, THE GREEN SPACE IS ALREADY THERE. NO DESIGN NEEDED.

BY LEAVING THE TREES THERE IS YOUR GREEN SPACE.

IF THERE IS A NEED FOR DESIGN, THEN DESIGN A FEW WALKING TRAILS THAT WIND AROUND THE TREES.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO QUESTION THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSION TO REQUIRE A STUDY BE DONE ON EACH FORESTED AREA BEFORE IT IS APPROVED FOR DEVELOPMENT.

TO DOCUMENT PLANTS, TREES, ANIMALS AND INSECTS AS ANY ANIMALS THAT THRIVE WILL BE DISPLACED EITHER BY HUMAN DISTURBANCE OR CRUSHED BY BULLDOZER OR BURIED ALIVE.

I'M ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE A REQUIREMENT OF EACH DEVELOPMENTER TO PRESERVE A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF TREES ON THE FORWARD. SHOW US THAT CARMEL IS FORWARD THINKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. WE WANT AND NEED UNGROOMED AREAS IN CAR MALE THAT WILL PRAY A SAFE HAVEN FOR WILDLIFE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MA'AM. NEXT PLEASE STEP UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND THE AREA OF CARMEL.

>> GOOD EVENING, I'M GREG STEVENS, I LIVE IN THE WATERWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. I'M ALSO OUR H. O. A. PRESIDENT SO I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'VE TWO THINGS WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK WITH REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT. THE FIRST ONE IS THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWNHOMES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHICH BORDER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE VERY EXCITED THEY'RETOWN HOMES THAT WILL BE OWNED BY OWNERS INSTEAD OF RENTED. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONNECTION TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THERE ARE FOUR STORIES TALL. I BELIEVE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE 44 FEET. I WOULD REFERENCE CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBJECTIVE 1.3.7 WHICH IS TO PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FROM DISSIMILAR ADJACENT USES WITH RESPECTS TO THE SCALE OF BUILDINGS, WE'LL ASK THE BUILDING BE SCALED DOWN TO 3 STORIES, A MAXIMUM OF 35 FEET WHICH IS ACTUALLY REQUIRED IN THE ZONE C. 2 SECTION 236 DEVELOPMENT STANDINGS THAT BUILDINGS SHOULD BE NO HIREE THAN 35 FEET. TAKE THAT AS WELL AND THE SECOND AREA WIELDS' LIKE TO SPEAK TO-- WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO. TREES AND PRESERVATION OF GREEN SPACE.

I WOULD REFERENCE THE CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO REDUCE UNNECESSARY REMOVAL OF TREES ON LOTS AND ENCOURAGE THE PRESERVATION OF MATURE TREES AND REQUIRE THE REPAVEMENT OF TREES REMOVED FOR DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE OVER

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SPACE THERE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT,

MA'AM, PLEASE STEP UP. >> I'M LISA CLARK. I LIVE RIGHT ON 111TH. I'M CADDY CORNER FROM THE CARNER OF, -- CORNER FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARK. RIGHT ACROSS FROM THOSE WOODS. MY CONCERN IS RIGHT NOW 106TH STREET IS CLOSED. ALL THE TRAFFIC IS COMING ON MY ROAD. SO WHAT IS THIS TRAFFIC GOING TO DO NOW? COMING UP AND DOWN 111TH STREET. WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR 111TH STREET? ALSO THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT, JUST DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT. THERE ARE TONS OF VACANT BUILDINGS. WHY COULDN'T THOSE COMPANIES JUST FILL THOSE AND LEAVE THAT ALL GREEN SPACE INSTEAD OF THE LITTLE SPOT? I AGREE THE TOWN HOLMES ARE GREAT.

BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF, MORE PEOPLE IN MY AREA.

I'M USED TO NOTHING BUT FIELDS. WATCHING THE FARMER DO THE CROPS EVERY YEAR. SO IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO ME. I HATE TO SEE IT GO BUT JUST BE SENSIBLE ABOUT IT. AND MAKE SURE OUR ROADS BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GET OUT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> I'MIAN MARCH REJAGGER AND I LIVE IN NORTHERN HEIGHTS WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT JUST NORTH OF THIS THING. AND THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE IN 2017, THERE WAS A PROJECTOR WHERE YOU COULD SHOW THINGS. BUT I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE THIS PICTURE. I THINK IT SHOWS A LITTLE BIT BETTER -- OH, I CAN. SO THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS WATERWOOD. THIS IS THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE. AND THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IS ONLY A TWO STORY BUILDING THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AS I SAID THERE IS A LARGE WOODS. THERE IS 80 PEOPLE IN NORTHERN HEIGHTS IF I COUNTED RIGHT 191 PEOPLE IN WATERWOOD. AND I FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TONIGHT, THAT YOU WANT TO PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE LOW DENSITY YET WHEN I PUT THIS ONE IN, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ACTUALLY BIGGER THAN THIS PLOT. HERE THEY PLAN TO PROPOSE OR THEY PROPOSE ALMOST 1,000 RESIDENCES COMPARED TO OUR 80 AND THEIR 191. PLUS FOUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, TWO PARKING GARAGES, AND THEN IN A LOT OF THE APARTMENTS THERE WILL BE COMMERCIAL UNDERNEATH THE APARTMENTS.

A LOT LIKE YOU SEE AT RANGELINE AND 116TH STREET. EVERY TIME IT RAINS, -- I'LL LET SOMEBODY ELSE GO BUT PLEASE LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE NORTHERN HEIGHTSED AND WATERWOOD AND ASK IF THIS IS A FAIR TREATMENT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> TURN OFF THE PROJECTION. >> THANK YOU, MY NAME IS JENNIFER CRISTY, I WORK WITH INDIANA FOREST ALLIANCE AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF OUR MEMBERS IN THE CARMEL AREA.

INDIANA FOREST ALLIANCE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE DISCRETION OF THE MALTURE FOREST IN THE NORTHEASTERN PART OF THE PROPOSED VENT. THE FOREST BORDERS AND

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THE COMMERCIAL PURPOSES AND THAT NORTHEASTERN CORNER WHERE THAT WOODS IS IS A NATURAL AND MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO BUFFER THOSE RESIDENTS FROM THE COMMERCE USES. PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE NEAR CARMEL'S FEW AND BEAUTIFUL REMAINING FORESTS. WE HEAR IT TIME AND AGAIN AT THE MEETINGS AND SEE IT IN THE LETTERS. WHAT THE PETITIONER IS ASKING FOR IS TO CREATE ARTIFICIAL AND MANUFACTURED GREEN SPACE WHEN IN FACT, WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE THAT HAVE IN CARMEL AND WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF IS THE WILD NATURAL SPACE THAT IS IN THE NORTHEASTERN PART OF THIS PROPERTY.

SO WHY NOT KEEP THE GREEN SPACE THERE, PUT A FEW FLAILS THERE FOR VEST ACCIDENTS TO ENJOY AND IT'S MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN AS WELL RATHER THAN AM FEE THEATER OR MANICURING A GRASSLAND.

LET NATURE DO IT THING, LET PEOPLE ENJOY IT. NATURE MOSTLY TAKES CARE OF ITSELF. THE FOREST ALSO MAY CONTAIN RARE AND ENDANGERED SPECIES AND LIKELY IS HABITAT FOR MIGRATING BIRD. WE DO HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO ASSESS THAT AND RECOMMEND THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN MORE FREQUENTLY WHEN THESE FORESTS ARE UP FOR DEVELOPMENT. TO PROTECT CARMEL'S WILD LIVE. FORESTS ARE A GREAT WAY TO SEQUESTER CARBON, ONE OF THE BEV WAYS TO DO THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CARMEL CLIMATE PLAN. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SAFE THOSE TREES AND PREVENT FLOODING AS WELL.

FINALLY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT ECOSYSTEMS ARE DIFFICULT TO REPLACE AND THESE TREES, THESE FORESTS ARE MORE VALUABLE WHEN THEY'RE STANDING.

[APPLAUSE] >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU COULD PLEASE WITHHOLD YOUR APPLIANCE, THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

NEXT, PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING, FRANK INVESTIGATE -- STREGAL. WASHINGTON AND 114TH STREET RIGHT ON THE CORNER, MAIN CONCERN IS WASHINGTON.

YOU CANNOT CONNECT WASHINGTON TO THIS COMPLEX.

YOU ARE GOING TO DESTROY MY YARD, MY HOME VALUE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE IS NO REASON TO CONNECT WASHINGTON TO THIS COMPLEX.

AS FAR AS EMERGENCY VEHICLES, YOU GOT PLENTY OF ACCESS OFF OF 111TH, AND PENNSYLVANIA. YOU GOT TWO ENTRANCES ON BOTH STREETS. TO YOU HAVE.

VEHICLES COME DOWN WASHINGTON WON'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR ONE THING. YOU GOT FIRE DEPARTMENT OFF OF, WHAT IS IT COLLEGE, SO THAT IS EASY ACCESS THERE. THE TREELINE, 50 FEET IS NOTHING, IT'S LIKE ONE MATURE OAK TREE. SO ONCE YOU TAKE OUT ALL THE WOODS AND EVERYTHING THAT IS OUT THERE, ALL YOU ARE GOING TO SEE ASK A TREE TRUNK THEN YOU SEE PARKING LOT, YOU SEE THE BUILDINGS. I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT BECAUSE THAT IS RIGHT IN MY BACK YARD. ALREADY DEALING WITH THE OFFICE COMPLEX NEXT TO ME. WITH THEIR H. V. A. C.

SYSTEM. IT'S NONSTOP. IT'S NOISE. THEIR DUMPSTER, EVERY TIME THEY PICK IT UP AT 4:00, 3:00 IN THE MORNING, I'M WOKEN UP. SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS HUGE COMPLEX WITH ALMOST 1,000 PEOPLE? WE LOSE OUR WOODS.

BEEN THERE FOR 23 YEARS. I REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE WOODS IN THE BACK. DEER RUNNING THROUGH THERE.

THE BIRDS. WHAT SNELLS I MEAN IT'S JUST -- WHAT ELSE? I MEAN IT'S JUST OVERPOPULATION IN SUCH A SMALL AREA COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE. SO WASHINGTON IS MY MAIN CONCERN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> I'M JILL MYCINHEIMER, I LEV ON THE WEST SIDE OF CARMEL.

I WOULD LIKE THIS PROPOSAL TO GO TO COMMITTEE SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DISCUSS -- AND HAVE TIME TO CONSIDER POSSIBLE ECONOMIES. SUGGESTED BY THE PUBLIC. IF

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I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

YOU HEARD THAT TONIGHT, TOO, 13, WISH THAT YOU WOULD DECREASE DENSITY. 10 SAID DO NOT APPROVE THE AMENDMENT FOR COMMITMENT 5. 10 WERE WORRIED ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION. 10 SAID REDUCTION HEIGHT ESPECIALLY IF IT'S ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKE NO BIGGER THAN 3 STORIES, NINE WERE WORRIED ABOUT DRAINAGE, 8 ABOUT MORE ACCESSIBLE GREEN SPACE, 8 WORRIED ABOUT CONNECTING TO WASHINGTON STREET AND TRAFFIC AND ROADS. 5 ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION, 5 ABOUT KEEPING THE NEW FENCE AND ADDING MORE FENCE WHERE IT ISN'T YET AND FOUR ABOUT PROTECTING WILDLIFE. AND FOUR ABOUT THE 50 FOOT BUFFER IS NOT ENOUGH. 3 PLEASE HAVE A DOG PARK. THE NEW COMP PLAN WAS NOT RAT TIED TONIGHT BUT THE OLD COMP PLAN DISCOURAGES HARSH CONTRASTS IN BUILD, AND OTHER THINGS, IF'S THERE EXISTS CONTRAST UTE LIGHTED MULTIPYL DESIGN PRINCIPLES.

PET KORN DESIGNED A MUCH MORE INTENSE PROJECT THAN THE ONE BEFORE AND WITH AMENDMENT 5 -- CAN I PLEASE

GO ON? >> DID YOU SEND IN A LETTER?

>> I DID BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK 3

MINUTES. >> THIS IS -- EVERYBODY ELSE IS UNDER THE SAME RULES, I'M SORRY BUT EVERYBODY IS UNDER

THE SAME RULES. >> OKAY. WELL I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT THE -- THE COMMITMENTS THAT I SUGGEST THAT YOU CONSIDER TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS FOR THIS PLAN,

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, SIR.

>> GOOD EVENING, I'M GREG CONCERNHART, I'M A 22 YEAR RESIDENT EVER THE NORTHERN HEIGHTS ADDITION, WE LIVE ON 114TH STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE. I ENJOYED THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SOME VERY MODEST HOMES IN IT AND I'VE WALKED ALL THE STREETS AND ALL THE STREETS ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S A GREAT WALKING SPACE. I WALKED IT WITH MY WIFE, ALL OF MY DOGS, NOW MY GRANDCHILDREN AND IT'S A QUIET AREA. AS I SUNS IT, -- UNDERSTAND IT THERE IS GOING TO BE NO ACCESS TO THE SPACE COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. IF I HAVE THAT RIGHT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT DIRKS SECONDLY, -- I ECHO AND AGREE WITH A LOT I HEARD. TREES ARE A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO BUTTRESSING THIS BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE OLD NATIONAL THIS IS THE SECOND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT I'VE BEEN EDGE -- ENGAGED ON. FROM WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE JUST A TOO DENSE, LOTS OF LEGOS BUILT TOGETHER THAT IS GOING TO REALLY DOVE TAIL WELL WITH THIS, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE QUIETNESS OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. SIR.

[INDISCERNIBLE] MA'AM, YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM THERE. YOU HAVE TO GET UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND I'LL ENTERTAIN YOUR COMMENT. [PAUSE]

GO AHEAD. >> I CHECKED THE HAMILTON COUNTY VIEWER FOR WHO CURRENTLY OWNS THIS PROPERTY. IT IS OWNED STILL BY THE MIER FAMILY. THIS IS DATED OCTOBER 18, 2022. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNE TIME FOR YOU TO LOOK IF THIS IS WHAT WE REALLY NEED FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> STAFF REPORT. WAIT A MINUTE. I'M SORRY. MIKE, YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL.

>> I'LL JUST TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THE PUBLIC

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MY UNDERSTANDING IS IS THAT THERE WILL BE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS WITH WASHINGTON AND BAROQUE, THE WATERWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD SO THERE WILL BE PHYSICAL ACCESS. IT WON'T BE AUTOMOBILE OR DELIVERY TRUCK. IT WILL BE BIKE AND PED. I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC GREEN SPACES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE WILL BE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. NOT JUST FOR RESIDENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT THE TRAIL SYSTEM, THE PLAZA AREAS, THE BIKE TRAILS ALONG ILLINOIS AND ALONG PENN, ALL THOSE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC USE. THEN IN REGARDS TO 111TH STREET, I THINK THAT THE PROJECT IS STILL IN THE EARLY DESIGN PHASES. I'M NOT SURE WHAT EXACTLY THE CITY ENGINEER AND PET CORP AND THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ARE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THE CITY'S TRACK RECORD WITH MAKING INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND IF THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC GOING FROM THE PROJECT REQUIRES ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, THE CITY WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. BUT I MEAN THERE WILL BE -- YOU KNOW ROUNDABOUTS THAT BE ADDED THAT WILL HELP FACILITY MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC. THERE IS A STREET NETWORK THAT WILL HELP DISTRIBUTE TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE AREA. NOT JUST ONE OR TWO KEY POINTS OF TRAFFIC. OBVIOUSLY THE CONNECTIONS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD HELP BUT THAT IS NOT BEING ASKED BY THE -- REQUESTED BY THE PROJECT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE STAFF REPORT.

>> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD OTHER THAN OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAD TONIGHT WAS TO VOTE TO SUSPEND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE IN ORDER TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS PETITION TONIGHT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE NEW COMMITMENTS WOULD BE RECORDED WITHIN 60 DAYS AND A COPY IS PROVIDED TO THE PLAN COMMISSION, THANK YOU.

>> MR. PRESIDENT. >> WITH THAT I'LL CLOSE THE

PUBLIC HEARING. MR. RIDER. >> MIKE, JUST TO HELP ME WITH WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY NEXT, VERY QUICKLY, SHORT SUSS SIXTH, NO EXTRA COMMENTARY, 3 COMMITMENT CHANGES.

>> THE FIRST ONE WOULD ALLOW THE ONE BUILDING OR BUILDINGS ALONG PENN TO BE LESS THAN 4 STORIES SO THEY COULD BE SHORTER BUILDINGS, 3-STORY BUILDINGS.

THE SECOND ONE IS NO PHYSICAL CONNECTION TO WASHINGTON STREET. SO THAT THE EMERGENCY CONNECTION THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROCESS GONE. THE THIRD RETAIL SERVICE CULTURAL ENTERTAINMENT, THOSE USES WHICH WERE EXTREMELY LIMITED WITH THE FIRST COMMITMENT WOULD BE ALLOWED SURROUNDING THE PUBLIC GREEN. SO ALL THOSE BUILDINGS THAT SURROUND THE PUBLIC GREEN, EAST OF THE NORTH SOUTH WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE SOME RETAIL, COMMERCIAL USES.

>> THANK YOU FOR REPEATING YOURSELF. I WANTED TO HEAR JUST THOSE 3 TOGETHER TO MAKE MY POINT.

EVERY COMMENT MADE BY THE PUBLIC IS RELEVANT. WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT OF MOST OF WHAT YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP TONIGHT WILL BE DEALT WITH WHEN THIS COMES THROUGH AS A PROJECT MANY WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE -- IF WE WOULD SUSPEND THE RULES OR IF THIS GOES TO COMMITTEE AND COMES BACK AND GETS VOTED ON IT WON'T EFFECT MIDWEST OF THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT. THOSE WILL COME BACK TO US AS THE PROJECT COMES THROUGH.

THAT'S WHAT WE MAKE CHANGES YES OR NO OR NOT. NONE OF THOSE THINGS WILL GET CHANGED TONIGHT.

ONLY THE 3 THINGS ARE WHAT WE'RE VOTED ON TONIGHT, IF IT WOULD GET APPROVED NOBODY SAYS THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TO ME AND THEY DIDN'T CHANGE IT. IT'S BECAUSE WE CAN'T CHANGE THOSE THINS TONIGHT. THE ONLY THING WE'RE RULING ON ARE THE 3 THINGS HE SAID. TWO OF WHICH I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THE ROOMS WOULD NOT LIKE.

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WE'RE NOT. MOST OF THE THINGS YOU SAID WE'LL DEAL WITH WHEN THE PROJECT COMES THROUGH.

>> THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, CHRISTINE, GO AHEAD.

>> ONE MORE CLARIFICATION, THIS IS C. 2. IT WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT IT'S NOT COMING BACK. THERE WON'T BE ANOTHER -- PUBLIC HEARING, I WANT TO MAKE SHA

CLEAR. >> THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC

HEARING WHEN THE -- >> BUT NOT IN FRONT OF ALL

OF US. >> IT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE HEARING OFFICER, CORRECT.

>> BUT IT WOULD BE HEARD. >> IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC

HEARING. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I FEEL INCLINED TO ALSO POINT OUT AN EXTENSION OF WHAT YOU SAID, WE'VE ALREADY ASSIGNED COMMITMENTS TO THE LAND.

THAT WAS A HEARING THAT HAPPENED WITH A FEW OF US

STILL SITTING HERE. >> CORRECT.

THESE ARE CHANGING THREE OF THEM.

>> THANK YOU FOR HELPING CLARIFY THAT.

>> MR. PRESIDENT? >> YES. AND TO BE CLEAR TWO

OF THEM ARE MORE -- >> AND TO BE CLEAR TWO OF THEM ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE AND ONE WOULD ALLOW STREET LEVEL RETAIL AROUND THE GREEN AREA BUT THE FACT THAT THE COMMITMENT WOULD ALLOW IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FINAL PROJECT, THAT STILL ALL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PROPOSAL AND REVIEW AND DEVELOPMENT AND APPROVAL PROCESS. CORRECT?

>> THAT'S TRUE. NOTHING IS FINAL UNTIL IT'S FINALLY

APPROVED. >> WITH THAT I MOVE ADOPTION OF THE 3 COMMITMENTS. THE 3 AMENDMENTS TO THE COMMITMENTS [INDISCERNIBLE] I MOVE WE SUSPEND THE RULES.

>> SECOND TO THAT. >> SECOND, MOVED AND SECONDED WE SUSPEND OUR RULES, AND ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING. ALL IN FAVOR OF SUSPENDING RULES INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NONE. IS THERE A MOTION TO

APPROVE? >> I MOVE TO AMENDMENT THE

COMMITMENTS AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND.

>> IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. WE APPROVED DOCKET NUMBER P. Z. 2022-00149 D. P. S. D. L. S.

-- WHAT THE HECK, I'M SORRY. P.D. 2022-00194 C. A.

111TH AND PENNSYLVANIA C. 2 DISTRICT COMMITMENT AMENDMENT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED? IT HAS BEEN APPROVED. OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE?

>> . >> MOVE TO ADJOURN?

>> SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> WE STAND

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.