[A. Call Meeting to Order]
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>> GOOD EVENING. WE WILL CALL TO ORDER THE
[B. Pledge of Allegiance]
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 15, 2022 MEETING OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION. HE WILL BEGIN BYRISING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE . THANK YOU.[C. Roll Call]
MR. SECRETARY, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE?[D. Declaration of Quorum]
[E. Approval of Minutes]
WE HAVE A QUORUM, THANK YOU. APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR OCTOBER MEETING TOO THEY WERE CIRCULATED LAST WEEK.>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> I WILL GIVE THEM MOTION TO DEBBIE AND THE SECOND TO ALAN. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS CIRCULATED, SAY I. AND THE OPPOSED?
[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]
MINUTES ARE APPROVED, THANK YOU.COMMUNICATIONS, BILLS, EXPENDITURES AND LEGAL COUNSEL
AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT? >> THANK YOU, WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS FIRST.
ONE IS THAT 2023 PLAN COMMISSION CALENDAR.
YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A PACKET OF THAT COPY OF THAT WEATHER PACKET. THERE WERE SEVERAL MEETINGS WE HAD TO MOVE AROUND WITH CONFLICTS, HOLIDAYS, ETC..
APRIL WE MOVED DUETO SPRING BREAK THE MONTH OF JULY COMMITTEE WAS GOING TO FALL JULY 4TH , SO WE MOVED THAT A WEEK EARLIER TO JUNE 27. LIKE WE DID THIS YEAR, WE MOVED TO DECEMBER MEETING A WEEK EARLIER TO AVOID ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICTS AROUND THE HOLIDAYS. THEN, THERE WAS THE COMMITTEE MEETING IN NOVEMBER WE ALSO MOVED DUE TO ELECTION DAY.
IT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW VERSION THAT YOU RECEIVED BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN MOVE IT A DIFFERENT DAY THAT WEEK THIS KIND' BACK TO SEE IF A WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY OR EVEN A MONDAY WOULD BE BETTER, OR IF YOU WANTED ME TO MOVE IT TO ENTER TUESDAY OF A DIFFERENT WEEK.
THE WEEK BEFORE, IT WOULD HAVE FALLEN ON HALLOWEEN.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE WEEK AFTER.
THE ONLY THING WITH THE WEEK AFTER, THERE IS NOT TIME FOR THE PRACTITIONERS TO SOME AND YOU PACKET, THEY HAVE ALREADY MISSED THAT DEADLINE. IF THEY MAKE DEADLINES CHANGES FROM THE COMMITTEE, THEY HAD TO BRING THOSE TO THE COMMISSION MEETING.OR THEY CAN SUBMIT IT WITH THE DEPARTMENT, BUT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE AHEAD OF TIME. WE CAN DISCUSS THAT THIS EVENING, OR I CAN EMAIL YOU AND IF YOU HAVE ANY CONFLICTS ON NOVEMBER 8, LET ME KNOW. OR, GIVE ME A PREFERENCE IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT ON THE TUESDAY OR TRY FOR ANOTHER DAY THAT
WEEK. >> WOULD YOU MIND CIRCULATING A DOODLE POLL TO ALL OF OUR COMMISSION? AT THIS POINT, WE DO NOT KNOW WHATTHE COMMITTEE MAKEUPS WILL
>> THANK YOU. THEN, THE OUTCOME OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE HEARD THE FLOOR ON SPRINGVILLE CONTACTED RECEIVE A FOUR ÃZERO FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL PLAN COMMISSION. YOU WILL HEAR THE ITEM THIS EVENING. THE LEGACY PD AMENDMENT WAS TABLED TO DECEMBER 6 COMMITTEE. THE CONNER PRAIRIE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE IS STILL WORKING ON A DATE TO MEET, SO THE ITEM HAS BEEN TABLED. I BELIEVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE MET EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON.
I WILL TURN IT OVER. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ADRIAN IF YOU WANT TO MOVE NUMBER THREE ON THE REPORTS TO DISCUSS
THE COMPANY AND TO PLAN. >> THANK YOU.
ADRIAN KEELING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, REVIEWED THE COUNSEL'S REVISIONS TO THE ANSWER PLAN.
ULTIMATELY, ALL OF THE COUNCILS AMENDMENTS WERE AGREED UPON EXCEPT THERE WAS ONE SUGGESTED CHANGE IN OBJECTIVE 1.3.7 ON PAGE 18. THIS WAS A NEW OBJECTIVE THAT THE COUNCIL ADDED, HOWEVER THE SUGGESTION IS THAT THE WORD "BUILDING MATERIALS" THE MOVED FROM THAT PARTICULAR OBJECTIVE.
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THE PLAN COMMISSION WILL NEED TO ACT THIS EVENING TO ASK WITHIN THE 60 DAY PERIOD AFTER THE COUNCIL MADE THE AMENDMENT.THAT 60 DAY PERIOD ENDS ON DECEMBER 2. IN ESSENCE, THIS EVENING IS THE LAST REGULAR MEETING CHANCE FOR THE PLAN COMMISSION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THE COUNCIL
AMENDMENT. >> SO THE QUESTION FOR THE FULL COMMISSION NOW AS OPPOSED TO AN HOUR AGO IS WHETHER TO ACCEPT THE REVISIONS THAT CAME TO US FROM THE COUNCIL OR GENETICS OF THOSE AND INSTEAD PROPOSE WHAT NOW AMOUNTS TO ONE CHANGE TO ADD THE COUNCIL HAS RETURNED? IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE
LESSON? >> WHY ARE WE DELETING BUILDING
THAT WAS A CHANGE I SUGGESTED. EVEN WITHIN SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE IS A WIDE VARIETY OF BUILDING MATERIALS.
BUILDING MATERIALS THEMSELVES DID NOTHING TO CREATE DISSIMILAR OR INCOMPATIBLE USES THE SAME WAY THAT NOISE, LIGHTING OR BUILDING SCALE TO. DEBBIE?
>> IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I MOVE THAT THE ADOPTION BE SENT BACK AND READAPT THE ANSWER PLAN WITH THE CHANGES AS PROPOSED BY THE COUNCIL OR AS ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL AND SEND IT BACK WITH THE ONE REVISION IN OBJECTIVE
1.37 AS OUTLINED. >> UNFORTUNATELY THAT MOTION, YOU DO HAVE THEOPTION OF APPROVING , BUT.
>> SENDING IT BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION?
>> YES, IT IS A REJECTION TECHNICALLY.
I KNOW MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN OKAYED BUT TECHNICALLY
SPEAKING, IT IS AN OBJECTION. >> THAT SOUNDS LIKE SUCH A HARSH WORD, BUT ALRIGHT. I MOVE WE REJECT OBJECTIVE 1.37 AND PROPOSE STRIKING BUILDING MATERIALS AND SEND THAT RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU DEBBIE, THANK YOU SUE. ANY DISCUSSION ON DEPUTIES MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR OF DEPUTIES MOTION? SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. AND HE OPPOSED,SAME SIGN . THIS WILL RETURN TO THE COUNSEL AND THE OUR WORK AS THE COMMISSION IS OFFICIALLY CONCLUDED ON THIS. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR WORK AND CHRISTINE, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE DEPARTMENT?
[I. Old Business]
>> NO, THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ONTHOSE EVENINGS ADDENDA . ON ALL BUSINESS, THAT IS PZ-2021-00177, FLORA ON SPRINGHILL.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN AND RESIDENTIAL - - 10 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, 87 TOWNHOMES ON 18.31 ACRES.
THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 9950 SPRING MILL ROAD AND IS ZONED AS FLORA PUD UNDER ORDINANCE Z Ã676 Ã22.
THE COMMISSION IS FILED BY JIM SHINAVER ON BEHALF OF PITTMAN PARKERS PARTNERS INCORPORATED AND ONYX AND EAST LLC.
>> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD, - -. AS WELL AS OTHER DESIGN TEAM MEMBERS. AS NOTED IN THE B SEEKING DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL AS PRESCRIBED IN THE FLORA PUD BY WAY OF REFERENCE WAS APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR BY THE COUNCIL OF THE ZONING REQUEST REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARDS THAT WE REVIEWED EARLIER THIS YEAR BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND VOTED ON AND THE COUNCIL ADOPTED.
TO THIS END, THEY HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 20.
THE MATTER WAS SENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE WITH A FULL PLAN COMMISSION FINAL AUTHORITY THAT IS BEING CONDUCTED THIS EVENING. THE COMMITTEE MET OCTOBER 11 AS WELL AS NOVEMBER 1 WITH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AND MODIFIED AS A PART OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS.
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TREE PRESERVATION AREAS ADJACENT TO 465 WERE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN. THERE IS A DECK OVERLOOKING THE POND LOCATED HERE THAT WAS EXPANDED AND FURTHER SENT INTO THE AREA WHERE THE POND IS LOCATED.BUILDING LIGHTING WAS PROVIDED IN THE INFORMATIONAL SUBMITTAL COULD THE MATERIALS WERE DISCUSSED AND THE COMMISSION AGREED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL OF THIS EVENING.
AT COMMON AREA FURNITURE WILL BE MAINTAINED AND INCLUDED IN THE CCR FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BICYCLE PARKING LOCATIONS WERE DISCUSSED AND STAFF REQUESTED THAT BIKE PARKING THE MORE EVENLY DISPERSED AROUND THE SITE AND THE COMMITTEE AT ITS MEETING ON NOVEMBER 1 ASKED US TO AGREE THAT WE WOULD MEET WITH DAVID LITTLEJOHN THE ALTERNATIVE TRANSLATION COORDINATOR AT FINAL LOCATION FOR THOSE ITEMS. I 465'S EXPANSION WAS ALSO DISCUSSED.IT WAS NOTED THAT NORTH AS A COPY OF OUR PLAN - - CONTEMPLATED IN THE VICINITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ON 45 ON THE NORTH SIDE. THE COMMITTEE ALSO NOTED ULTIMATELY VOTED FOUR ÃZERO FAVORABLE RECOGNITION TO THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION WITH CONDITIONS.
THOSE CONDITIONS ARE FOR THE FOUR - - FINAL BIKE PARKING LOCATION BE APPROVED BY THE TRANSLATION COORDINATOR.
BY THE WAY, THE PETITIONER IS AGREEABLE TO ALL FOUR OF THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
THE SECOND WAS WITH REGARD TO THE COVENANTS REGARDING MAINTENANCE OF VENTURES, AND THE FINAL TWO CONDITIONS.
ONE CAN ENGINEERING FOR FINAL APPROVAL WHICH WE AS UNDERSTAND IS A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL PROJECTS.
THIS IS A NOTICE ISSUE FOR THE PETITIONER THAT WE ARE ADDING ON AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WE ARE ACCEPTING OF.
THE LAST CONDITION ON THE FINAL PLAN AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMITTEE AND STAFF ON THAT.
SOMETIMES MOTHERS AND PROJECT IN THE PAST WHERE THE PROJECT HAS BEEN SET ASIDE AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ASK AND FROM THE SOMEWHAT IS PRIOR TO THE COMMISSIONER.
OUR CLIENT TRULY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE NOT DONE, FOR THOSE OF YOU MAY NOT BE AS FAMILIAR WITH IT.
PROJECT STOCKS IS THE REVIEW SOFTWARE NOW STAFF AND OTHER AGENCIES THAT MIGHT FINAL APPROVAL.
ULTIMATELY BEFORE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS, WE KNOW THAT THOSE OTHER AGENCIES CAN ENGINEERING, FIRE DEPARTMENT, COUNTY SURVEYOR, EVERYBODY SIGNS OFF AND WE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR RELEASE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THOSE PLANS.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT IS REQUIRED AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM ATTACHING IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE AND BE GLAD TO ADDRESS ANY OBJECTIONS YOU HAVE.
>> THANK YOU JOHN. I WILL GO TO THE COMMITTEE
REPORT FIRST. >> OKAY, THIS WAS VOTED FOUR Ã ZERO. WE DID ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER NON-COMMITTEE MEMBERS QUESTIONS ON HOW THE EXPANSION OFFER FOR 65 WOULD AFFECT THE TREES.
THEY HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL TRE LINE ON THE SOUTHERN AND .
IT SHOULD NOT TAKE OUT ANY TREES.
I KNOW BRAD, YOU HAD A QUESTION ON STREET PARKING ON THE MAIN ROAD AND IF IT COULD CONSERVE PREVIOUSLY WE HAVE TAKEN THE PARKING OF THAT MAIN ROAD COMING IN.
THE PARKING IS STILL WELL ABOVE WHAT IS REQUIRED.
OTHER CONCERNS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO DID ADDRESS WAS SOUND MITIGATION AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOTIFICATION PROCESS. IT WAS CONFIRMED THROUGH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT THAT EVERYONE WAS PROPERLY NOTIFIED.
THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COLOR PALLETS, WE HAVE REVIEWED THOSE THE COLORS WILL - - BACK AND BEGAN THE SAME COLOR.
GIVEN ALL THE ISSUES, WE FELT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD.
>> THANK YOU SUE, DEPARTMENT REPORT?
>> THANK YOU. THERE'S NOT MUCH TO ADD AT THIS POINT, EVERYONE IS IN A GOOD JOB SUMMARIZING THE PROJECT.
JOHN WENT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS DISCUSSED WITH COMMITTEE. WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PLAN THIS EVENING WITH THOSE FOUR CONDITIONS ARE SOLICITING YOUR DEPARTMENT REPORT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
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OTHER QUESTIONS, THANK YOU. >> SORRY SIR, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING. AS I SAID SIR, WE HAVE HELD A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
THERE IS NO PUBLIC INPUT THIS EVENING.I AM SORRY, BUT YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER AND WE EED TO MOVE ON.
JOHN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO CONCLUDE TO THE DEPARTMENT OR
>> IS THERE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR THE COMMISSIONER OR THE COMMITTEE?
>> SINCE I LITERALLY WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE MEETING, JUST EXPLAINED TO ME.
HE SAID THERE WERE CHANGES WITH THE TREE LINE ADJACENT TO 465.
CAN YOU POINT WHERE THOSE WORK? >> ALONG FOR 65 YEAR, THERE IS A RETAINING WALL BEING INSTALLED.
THERE ARE AREAS THAT WERE EXTENDED BEYOND 15 FEET.
THE MINIMUM WAS A 15 FOOT STANDARD IN THE AREAS THERE
WILL BE IN EXCESS OF 15 FEET. >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT
CHANGE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. THE MEETING THAT WAS HELD FOR 465 AND 31, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE FROM YOUR TEAM ATTENDED.
JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHETHER NDOT TALKED ABOUT POTENTIAL PEDESTRIAN OR NONMOTOR ON SPRINGHILL AS THEY RECONSTRUCTWHATEVER THEY ARE GOING TO DO TO THAT BRIDGE .
>> LET ME RECAP TO YOU MR. HILL THE STANDARDS, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SPRING MILL IS RECONSTRUCTED AND THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK INSTRUCTED ON EITHER ONE OR BOTH SIDES OF SPRINGHILL ROAD. THEY WILL ELEVATE SPRINGHILL BY A COUPLE OF FEET. IT WILL STILL TIEBACK AND BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ROUNDABOUT ON OUR PLAN.
COMING DOWN, IT IS A COUPLE OF FEET HIGHER TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE ROADWAY ALONG THAT SEGMENT.THERE WERE NOT ANY DECISIONS MADE THAT NIGHT.
IT WAS THE DESIGN TEAM FROM NDOT, IT WAS A KICKOFFMEETING .
HERE'S HOW YOU CAN CONQUER THIS AND GET THIS INFORMATION.
THEY HAVE YET TO PROPOSE A PLAN FOR COMMENT.>> I GUESS WHAT
THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, I AM SORRY, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
JOHN, WOULD YOU CONTINUE? OR DID YOU FINISH?
>> I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY WAS THAT THEY DID NOT TELL YOU THEY WERE NOT GOING TO DO IT, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY ARE EXPIRING ONE SIDE, BOTH SIDES, NOTHING CONFIRMED
YET. >> THAT IS WHAT STEVE CONVEYED TO ME AND THE COMMITTEE MEETING.
A DECISION HAD TO BE MADE ABOUT - - AT LEAST ON ONE SIDE.
>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE COMMISSIONER? IS THERE A MOTION?
>> AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FLORA ON SPRING MILL THIS EVENING SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS PUT OUT THAT THEY BE
>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU MR. HILL.
IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, IT IS TO APPROVE DOCKET PZ-2022-00119 FLORA ON SPRING MILL.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY I. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES, THE PLAN IS APPROVED JOHN.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
>> THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.
WE WILL BE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.