Mar 21, 2023 Carmel Plan Commission

[A. Call Meeting to Order]

[B. Pledge of Allegiance]

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MEETING OF THE CARMEL PLANNING COMMISSION I ASKED ME RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

[C. Roll Call]

[D. Declaration of Quorum]

[E. Approval of Minutes]

[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report]

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]

EXPENDITURES REPORTED LEGAL COUNSEL. >> NOTHING TO REPORT

>> AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT? >> THANK YOU. I WILL GO OVER SOME OF THE APPLICANT SIMPLY COMMITTEE MEETING. THE MARCH MEETING WAS TABLED WAS CANCELED THERE WAS NO ITEMS TO REVIEW THEY WERE CONTINUED TO THE APRIL 10 COMMITTEE MEETING WHICH WOULD BE A MONDAY AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM ON THE ARCHITECTURE SO GIVE YOU A LITTLE UPDATE ON THAT. THERE'S ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE MEETING AND WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR THE PUD I THINK THEY'RE ALSO STILL TRYING TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE STAFF COMMENTS BEFORE THEY COME BACK TO YOU ALL TO PRESENT. AND THEN A LITTLE UPDATE BEFORE THE RANGE LINE PROJECT AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THERE THEY WERE APPROVED EVERY 27TH ON THE REVISED DRAWING SO THAT'S IN THE SECOND REVIEW SECTION. WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE FINAL PLANS WITH THEM.

THERE'LL NO TABLING SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. >> THAT TAKES US TO THE PUBLIC

[H. Public Hearings]

PETITIONER THEN HAS UP TO 5 MINUTES TO RESPOND AND FINALLY AT THE COMPLETION OF THE DEPARTMENT REPORT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS DOCKET PZ2023-0005 IMI CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS OR STORY OFFICE SITE IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST CORNER OF 111TH ST. ZONED NC IS NOT WITHIN ANY OVERLAY DISTRICT.

IT'S FILED WITH 28 BAILEY MOORE. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

WELCOME. MY ADDRESS IS 50 S. MERIDIAN AND I REPRESENT THE PETITIONER WHICH IS IMI REAL ESTATE LLC WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS URBAN MATERIALS AND AS YOU SAID WE ARE SEEKING SITE PLAN A DLS APPROVAL FOR A FOUR-STORY OFFICE BUILDING WHICH WOULD BE IMI'S CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 111TH AND ILLINOIS.

HERE WITH ME AS PART OF THE TEAM DENNIS CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS AND HE IS ALSO THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE.

AN ARCHITECT FROM LUMINA AND DAVID HOFFMAN A CIVIL ENGINEER WITH CIRCLE DESIGN HIS TEAM IS ENGINEERING AND MOODY ROSENBERG THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR CASE THIS EVENING. THIS IS AN EXCITING CASE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS THAT

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THE ZONING OF THE SITE IS MC AND THAT'S MERIDIAN CORRIDOR AND THE ZONING OF THE SITE TO THE NORTH IS NC AND EAST IS MC AND THEN TO THE WEST IS S 2. ALL OF THE ZONING CURRENTLY ALLOWS AN OFFICE BUILDING AND THAT IS THE PROPOSED USE. HOW WILL THEY DEVELOP THIS SITE? MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO IS BUILD A FOUR-STORY OFFICE BUILDING WHICH I WILL SHOW YOU IN THE RENDERINGS IN A MINUTE.

IT'S ABOUT 64, 65,000 SQUARE FEET. IT'S ABOUT 70 FEET AT THE PEAK IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, BUT THE KEY THING I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS EXHIBIT IS YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT OFFICE BUILDING IS SET BACK QUITE A DISTANCE ON THAT SITE.

AND TO IVE AN IDEA OF HOW IT'S SET BACK, THAT'S TOTTENHAM DRIVE WHICH IS THAT LONG STRIP OF CONCRETE TO THE RIGHT OF THE ALPINE OF THE BUILDING. SO THIS BUILDING WOULD BE JUST WEST OF WHERE TOTTENHAM DRIVE IS NOW. THE ENTRANCES TO THE SITE WILL BE ABOUT THE SAME ENTRANCE IS HAS NOW AT 111TH ST. AT THE TOP OF THAT SLIDE.

THEY WILL PUT A NEW ENTRANCE IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE OFF OF ILLINOIS STREET.

THE SITE WOULD HAVE NOT A PARKING GARAGE ABOVE GROUND PARKING GARAGE.

NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH ONE BUT GLOBAL HAS ONE AND FORTE HAS WENT TO THE SOUTH.

THIS PARKING FOR THE MOST PART WOULD BE BELOW GROUND AND THERE WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 190 PARKING SPACES OF WHICH THE VAST MAJORITY 160 OR 165 OR SO WOULD BE BELOW GROUND AND THE REMAINING 25 OR 30 WOULD BE ABOVE GROUND AND I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IN A SECOND.

THE SURROUNDING USES OUR OFFICES EXCEPT ON THE WEST SIDE ACROSS ILLINOIS STREET AND IS A VERY HIGH-QUALITY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF HAVING A 20 ACRE SITE IS YOU CAN RETAIN SIGNIFICANT GREEN AREA AND SO BETWEEN US AND THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST YOU HAVE FOUR LANES OF ILLINOIS STREET AND YOU GOT A SUBSTANTIAL GREEN AREA AS SHOWN ON THIS PLANET WITH THIS PLAN SHOWS IS WHERE YOU WOULD ENTER THE SITE OF THE NORTH AT 111TH AND ENTER THE SITE OFF THE EAST ON ILLINOIS STREET.T ALSO SHOWS -- BETWEEN ABSOLUTE DETENTION AREA AND THAT'S A REGULATED TRAIN EASEMENT.

I WILL BE IN ENTRANCE FROM 111TH TO OUR STATE THIS SHOWS THE FRONT AND IN BETWEEN THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL GREEN AREA THIS IS LOOKING NORTH ON ILLINOIS STREET LARGELY REMAIN IN PLACE WITH THIS PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S THE CAR BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND.

LOOKING SOUTH FORTE BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND THOSE TREES REMAIN IN PLACE ON THE FRONT OF THE SITE. HERE'S THE FORTE BUILDING. THUS THERE PARKING GARAGE UP FRONT AND THAT'S THEIR OFFICE AND MEDICAL FACILITIES IN THE BACK.

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MY POINT IS THIS IS QUITE A BIT FURTHER BACK, FIVE TIMES OR SO AS THE FORTE BUILDING SO IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE VIEW ON NORTH ILLINOIS ST., THIS IS GOING TO -- IT WON'T BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE BUT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY WELL SCREENED. THAT GREEN AREA UNDER THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL REMAIN IN PLACE AND THAT'S ABOUT EIGHT ACRES AND MAYBE EIGHT TO 8 AND THREE-QUARTER ACRES OF GREEN AREA BETWEEN NORTH ILLINOIS AND THE PROPOSED IMI BUILDING.

AND SO THAT DEEP SETBACK THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALLOWS FOR THE RETENTION OF THAT AREA IN THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AS YOU MIGHT GUESS GIVEN THE BUSINESS ON THE CONCRETE BUSINESS IT'S GOING TO -- GLASS FIBER CEMENT. HERE IS THE VIEW THIS VIEW IS LOOKING SORT OF SOUTHEAST OF THIS WOULD BE LIKE IF YOU WALKED ON THE SITE FROM 111TH ST. AND GOT INTO THAT GREEN AREA I SHOWED YOU A MINUTE AGO. BEYOND THE BUILDING IS 31 TO THE LEFT OF THE BUILDING, AND THIS SHOWS YOU THAT SUBSURFACE PARKING AREA, HOW IT'S ARCHITECTURALLY TREATED AND THEN UP ON THE DECK AT THE FIRST FLOOR, THAT'S THE SURFACE PARKING AREA THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED. THIS VIEW IS A VIEW OF THE BUILDING IN THE EVENING. GAIN, LOOKING SE. MERIDIAN ST. 31 WOULD BE IN THE BACKGROUND OF THAT RENDERING. THIS WOULD BE STANDING ON MERIDIAN STREET LOOKING SOUTH I WOULD MENTION TO THE COMMISSION, 31 HAS A NUMBER OF TREES ON A THEIR PLANS ARE TO PLANT ADDITIONAL TREES IN THE AREA WHERE THE PARKING AREA WOULD BE AND THAT PARKING AREA IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT PHOTOGRAPH, THAT LOWER LEVEL. THAT'S THE BELOW PARKING AREA THEY PROPOSED. IT'S TO PLANT ADDITIONAL TREES ON THERE.

THEY SUGGESTED WE NOT PLACE THEM WITHIN 15 FEET OF THE BUILDING WHERE KIND OF HIM THEN BUT IT REGULATED TRAIN. WE CAN'T PLACE TREES AND THERE. THE ANSWER IS WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT AND I WILL SHOW YOU A SLIDE IN A MINUTE.HERE'S A NUMBER OF TREES THAT WILL REMAIN.

THIS IS LOOKING NORTHWEST SO 111TH IS THE BACK END OF THAT AND THE PHOTOGRAPH AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OUTDOOR SPACE THAT SHOWS AS A DETENTION POND I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT IN THE GRASS AREA. 31 WOULD BE OFF TO THE RIGHT AND 111TH WOULD BE -- WE HAVE A QUICK FLYER FOR HERE AND GIVE YOU PERSPECTIVE OF HOW YOU WOULD ENTER THE SITE.

THANK GOODNESS IT WORKED. THIS IS COMING IN OFF OF ILLINOIS STREET.

VEHICLES HEADING TOWARDS THE FRONT DOOR, SO WE'RE GOING W. MERIDIAN ST. WOULD BE IN THE BACKGROUND AND THIS IS ON THE UPSTAIRS PARKING AREA SURFACE PARKING.

THIS IS THE FRONT DOOR OF THE BUILDING THE CANOPY IS NOT -- IT MAY NEED A TWEAK OR TO AND IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. STREETS OFF TO THE LEFT AND BEHIND THE PICKUP TRUCKS WILL BE ADDITIONAL SURFACE PARKING THAT WE HAVE ADDED IN THE SCREEN AREA IN FRONT.

THIS IS AN OUTDOOR AREA. THIS WILL BE LOOKING TOWARDS THE FORTE BUILDING THAT BUILDING IN THE BACK IS THE FORTE PARKING GARAGE AND BUILDING MERIDIAN STREET WOULD BE TOO THE LEFT. SO THIS WOULD BE THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING WE ARE BACKING OUT TOWARDS ILLINOIS STREET. YOU SEE THE SCREEN AREA THAT'S RETAINED IN THE LOW SURFACE OF PARKING. I MENTIONED EXISTING VEGETATION

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DON'T EXPECT LIKE TO BE OF AN ISSUE WE TALK TO OUR NEIGHBORS IN THE LIGHTING IS LOW LEVEL LIGHTING IS IN THE FIXTURES WITH THE LIGHTING DIRECTED DOWNWARD MOUNT LIGHTS HAVE SHIELDS ON THEM TO DIRECT LIGHT DOWNWARD AND UP AROUND THE FRONT DOOR AND ON THE SIDEWALK TO USE THOSE LIGHTS WHICH ARE SMALLER TO LIGHT THE WAY FOR PEDESTRIANS.

THE SIGNAGE WILL MEET THE CARMEL SIGN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.

AT THE TOP SIGN WILL BE A GROUND SIGN ON 111TH ST. UNDERGROUND SIGN ON ILLINOIS STREET SIGN WILL BE SIX FEET PTALL AND THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL TENANTS.MI HAS OTHER COMPANIES SOME OTHER CONCRETE COMPANIES. WE WILL HAVE TO WORK ON THAT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE SIGNAGE WILL LOOK LIKE BUT THERE WILL BE TWO GROUND SIGNS THAT WILL BE THE BUILDING SIGN ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD SEE THE LOGO WOULD BE ON THE FOURTH FLOOR OF THE BUILDING FACING MERIDIAN STREET.

IMI IS A GROWING COMPANY AND AS I MENTIONED, DEFENDANT HANCOCK COUNTY FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE MOVING HERE THEY BOUGHT A BIG ENOUGH SITE TO GROW A PART OF THE SECOND PHASE SURVEY DO NOT THIS IS A SKETCH OF HOW THE BUILDING WOULD BE CONNECTED SEPARATELY BE EASILY ACCESSIBLE BY THE FIRST BUILDING. WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK HERE AND SEEK APPROVAL BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW HOW THE SECOND PHASE OF THIS MIGHT LOOK AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM ON THE SITE TO DO THAT. SHIELD SEXTON WOULD BE THE CONTRACTOR ON THIS DAY WOULD PROPOSE TO WORK ON THE SITE FROM 7:00 A.M. TO ABOUT 7:00 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.

SATURDAYS MAY HAVE LESSER HOURS PRIMARY CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE WOULD COME IN OFF 111TH IN A MORE DIRECT CONSTRUCTION TO EXIT EITHER 111 AND HAD NORTH IN THE PLACE PERIODICALLY WE WILL COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE ORDINANCES REGARDING THOSE THE ADJACENT ROADWAYS WILL BE CLEANED THE DIRT AND DEBRIS IN CONSTRUCTION AND WORK ON THE DUSTIN WILL BE CONTROLLED AS NEEDED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. -- PERIOD. WE EXPECT CONSTRUCTION TO START MID-LATE SUMMER OF 2023 FIRST QUARTER OF 2025. THE MOVEMENT WOULD BE SOMETIME IN MID 2025. THESE HAD NINE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND WE'VE RESPONDED TO HER COMMENTS HOPEFULLY WILL ADDRESS THOSE. IF NOT WE WILL CERTAINLY DO SO BUT WE SISTER'S THAT TODAY STILL NOT EXPECTING HER TO HAVE TO DIGEST THAT.

OUR NEIGHBORS SENT AN EMAIL SUGGESTING -- RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR APPROVAL SUGGESTING THIS WOULD BE A BENEFIT THERE DURING THE MARKET DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH AND NORTHWEST AND HE RESPECTFULLY ASKS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS.

I THINK MY TIME IS UP AND I WILL CONCLUDE. THE SITE IS ZONED MERIDIAN CORRIDOR AND ALLOWS FOR THIS USE AS AN OFFICE USE THE MERIDIAN QUARTER ZONING CLASSIFICATION REQUIRES WAR STORIES THIS IS FOR STORIES PLUS PARKING AREA UNDERNEATH IS

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WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE TEAM IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WE WILL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS

EVENING. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL PROCEED WITH COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. CAN I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS FROM THOSE OF YOU WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION? ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR. OKAY.

WE HAVE A 20 MINUTE BLOCK OF TIME SO QUICK MATH SAYS WE WILL ASK YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES A PIECE. A COUPLE OF YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE SO WE ASKED THAT YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF IN THE AREA CARMEL IN WHICH YOU LIVE AND HAVE A VETERAN LEADING

THE PACK. >> MY NAME IS RON PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF YOU MAKING THIS PRESENTATION AVAILABLE TO US IN A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING PRIOR TO THIS TO UNDERSTAND FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT AND FOR HIM TO UNDERSTAND ANY CONCERNS OR ISSUES WE HAVE. AS YOU HEARD FROM THE PETITIONER A LARGE SETBACK THE STRUCTURE OF THE PARKING REPRESENTS VERY MINIMAL IMPACT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IS PROBABLY THE BEST OUTCOME WE CAN HOPE FOR. AS WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT, THE ONLY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS A NEWLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THERE IS AN OBJECTIVE ABOUT ENERGY CONSERVATION, SO THAT WOULD BE MY DETAIL THAT HOPEFULLY COULD BE HEARD AT A COMMUNITY LEVEL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> I AM JERRY GOLDEN MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 308 SPRING MILL CT. IN SPRINGVILLE PLACE. WE ARE DIRECTING -- DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS OFF OF ILLINOIS. ANALYSIS BEFORE OUR NEIGHBORS, THE PATICK'S, WHO ARE NEXT TO US AND SO THEY HAVE ANOTHER 240 THEMSELVES. I THINK EXCELLENT PLANS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROGRAM. OUR ONLY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN THEY CUT OUT INTO ILLINOIS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER NEIGHBORS. THE PRESENTATION FOR THIS PROJECT ON THE -- THEY WILL MAKE SURE TO SAVE HEALTHY TREES AND WILL BE A WALKING PATH

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WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MORMON TEMPLE GARDENS, MOST OF THESE PROJECTS ARE [INDISCERNIBLE] LOTS OF BUILDINGS WITH LITTLE GREEN SPACE AND FEW PRESERVE TREES.

THEY ARE CREATING A FOUR STORY OFFICE BUILDING CORPORATE CAMPUS THAT WILL BE AN AMENITY FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE AND PEOPLE LIVING AND WORKING IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND I

HARDLY APPROVE AND WISH WE COULD SEE MORE OF THE SAME. >> THANK YOU.

IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A PARK. IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT. THIS PLAN HAS SETBACKS, LIMITED LIGHTING, PARKLIKE GROUNDS, TREE-LINED RURAL IMPRESSION AND HAS EXTREMELY LOW TRAFFIC IMPACTS THAT COUNT. THIS REPRESENTS THE CHALLENGE TO MAKE THESE STANDARDS PART OF THE FUTURE OF DEVELOPMENT IN KARMA BECAUSE AS THEY POINTED OUT WE DON'T SEE THIS.

WE SEE DENSITY FOR THE SAKE OF DENSITY.NOW, I HAVE SO MANY NOTES HERE.

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AND THAT IS INTRUSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS WORD NEVER APPROVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS AGAIN. YOU'VE GOT A CHALLENGE. THESE PEOPLE HAVE I THINK LAID THE GAUNTLET DOWN FOR BEST WITH WONDERFUL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND BYSTANDER IN SUPPORT THESE PEOPLE WANT TO DO BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL BE AN ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY.

THOSE ARE THE NOTES. ONLY USED ABOUT 25 PERCENT OF THEM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS PETITION TONIGHT SEEING THEN, DO YOU CARE TO RESPOND TO A GUEST

EXCEPT THE ACCOLADES THAT WE'VE HEARD? >> SHOCKING WAS A WORD THAT WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED THE NEIGHBORS COMING UP. WE HAVE TO EXTEND A THANK YOU TO FORTE. THEY ALLOWED US TO HOLD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AT THEIR FACILITY AND WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE AN ABBREVIATED PRESENTATION OF THE SO WE APPRECIATE MARTY ROSENBERG AS MY PRESENTATION FOR ALLOWING US TO USE IT AND ALSO TO FILL IN THE NEIGHBORS ON WHAT FORTE WAS DOING. SO WE THINK THE NEIGHBORS WERE COMING TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF THE SPIRIT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I REALLY NEED TO COVER. WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDER A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION NOT TO BE A LAWYER WHO OVERREACHES, BUT MY CLIENT WOULD REQUEST WE REQUEST IF POSSIBLE WE WOULD SEEK APPROVAL THIS EVENING BUT IF WE HAVE TO GO TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE WHICH WE ARE GLAD TO DO, THEN WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE BE DELEGATED THE AUTHORITY TO PROVE APPROVE THIS SHOULD WE MEET HER COMMENTS SO WITH THAT WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU

MIGHT HAVE. >> THANK YOU. REPORT FROM THE DEPARTMENT,

PLEASE? >> WOULD LIKE TO -- COMMUNITY SERVICES SHOWN TONIGHT ON TWO VERY THOROUGHLY THIS IS PROPOSING A FOUR STORY BUILDING AT KIND OF LIKE PUTTING PARKING SO IT'S NOT FULLY UNDERGROUND. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE SIT AT KIND OF UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE. ENTRANCES TO THE SITE PROPOSED BEFORE ACCESS CUT FROM ILLINOIS AND 11TH ST. AND IF YOU NOTICE ON THE SITE PLAN THEY DID SHOW A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF ONE ADDITIONAL BUILDING WHICH WOULD HELP IT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MERIDIAN QUARTER OVERLAY WHICH IS TO HAVE 70 PERCENT FRONTAGE ALONG THE STREET ALONG MERIDIAN STREET AND AS WAS STATED THEY WERE SHOWING A CONCRETE WALKING TRAIL THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND ON TOP OF THAT PARKING STRUCTURE, THERE WILL BE GREEN ROOF TYPE PLANTINGS, ADDING TO THE SUSTAINABILITY FEATURES OF THE SITE AND IN ADDITION THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING OTHER FEATURES LIKE A LOT OF TREE PRESERVATION, RECYCLING AREAS ON-SITE, HIGH-EFFICIENCY LIGHTING AND HVAC SYSTEMS NOTED THOSE IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT AND BEFORE THEY SUBMITTED THEY WERE WORKING WITH STAFF ON THIS BUILDING TO MEET THE MINIMUM FOUR-STORY REQUIREMENT AND THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AND THEY LAID OUT THE SITE TO MINIMIZE IMPACT OF THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS ILLINOIS STREET AND PRESERVE THE LARGE-AREA TREES. WE DID NOTE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND WE DID RECEIVE THE RESPONSE TODAY FROM THE PETITIONER AND QUICKLY LOOKING DO THAT, I THINK THEY'RE ADDRESSING A LOT OF THEM AND I WANT TO TAKE SOME

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THANK YOU. >> THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:35.

DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS WERE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? >> I SHARE PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT WITH ONE OF THE FIRMS SO I'M RECUSED FROM DISCUSSION AND VOTING.

>> THANK YOU. IN THAT CASE OUR PROTOCOL IS THAT YOU LEAVE THE ROOM BUT WE WILL BRING YOU BACK AS SOON AS WE HAVE FINISHED WITH THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU FOR DISCLOSING THAT. OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE REMAINING SEVEN OF US?

>> I JUST WANT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION.

WILL MOST OF THE PEOPLE COME IN OFF THE ILLINOIS OR 111? IT LOOKED TO BE THE PARKING GARAGE ENTRANCE WAS OFF OF 111. I WAS JUST THINKING OF TRAFFIC ON ILLINOIS VERSUS --

>> I PROBABLY DID MAKE THAT AS CLEAR AS WE SHOULD HAVE. THERE'S A PARKING GARAGE ENTRANCE AT THE NORTH EN OFF OF 111 AND OFF THE ENTRANCE OFF OF ILLINOIS.

SO DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE BULK OF THE PEOPLE WOULD COME FROM? I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHERE

THEY LIVE >> KNOWING THAT, THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION.

LOOK LIKE YOU COULD -- JUST WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT OFF OF 111.

THAT WAS ALL I NOTICED. I BELIEVE HE BROUGHT SOME SAMPLES WITH YOU TONIGHT.

I DID KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT OR NOT. IT'S AN INTERESTING BUILDING

>> I WOULD PROBABLY ASK OUR ARCHITECT WHO KNOWS MUCH MORE ABOUT THAT THAN I DO

>> THAT'S FINE. THE DEPARTMENT HAD ADDRESSED IT IN A REPORT

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WITH THAT SAID I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE CONCRETE PANELS.

HAVING NOT SEEN THIS BEFORE, HOW DO THEY HOLD UP OVER TIME? TODAY WEATHER? HOW DO THEY LOOK 10 OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW. THAT CAN BE CLEANED OFF PRETTY EASILY. MOST CLIENTS THAT WE HAVE DID NOT DETERIORATE AS STONE PRODUCTS DO. THEY DON'T HOLD MOST THE WAY SOME NATURAL PRODUCTS.

IT AGES IN A COMPARABLE WAY >> AND I'M ASSUMING GIVEN THE CARE THAT'S BEING TAKEN TO A BEAUTIFUL CAMPUS THAT IF MAINTENANCE IS REQUIRED AND CLEANING FOR THE RECORD IF YOU

WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR FIRM >> I AM AIR ROLAND'S PRINCIPAL AND LUMINA ARCHITECTS FORMALLY ROLE IN DESIGN DESIGN LIBERTY FUND KIND OF CATTY CORNER FROM

THIS PROJECT. >> THIS IS PROBABLY -- YOU SAID THERE WAS AN EXPANSION ON THE SITE ON THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE NORTH, SOUTH STILL MAINTAINING THAT KIND OF BUFFER AND THERE'S O INTENTION FOR ANY EXPANSION OVER TO THE WEST. SHOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING. FLEX I WORK FOR A FIRM THAT'S WORKING FOR THE INDIANA DEPARTMENT OF -- EXTENDS ALL THE WAY NORTH UP TO THIS AREA. THERE'S A COUPLE GENTLEMEN ON OUR TEAM IS REACHED OUT TO THE REAL ESTATE COMPANY.I DON'T THINK HE'S HERE TONIGHT TRYING TO INITIATE A DIALOGUE RELATED TO DETENTION NEEDS FOR THAT PRODUCT.

PERHAPS YOU'RE AWARE OF IT. I JUST WOULD ASK IF THERE CAN BE COMMUNICATION THERE PROJECT MANAGER AND TRY TO INITIATE A DIALOGUE SO NOT HAVE ONE COMPETING WITH THE OTHER OR ONE INSTALLED JUST TO BE NEEDING MODIFICATION JUST REQUEST THAT CONSIDERATION.

>> WE HAVE HAD SOME EARLY CONVERSATIONS WE WOULD WELCOME THE CHANCE TO DO THAT.

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POSSIBLE. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE EXPLORING OPTIONS TO THE CELL THE LONGER FRONTAGE SO I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE AND PLAY APPRECIATE THAT CONTINUED COORDINATION I GUESS I WILL SAY IT OUT FOR THOSE REASONS I WOULD HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT TO GIVE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT SO APPRECIATE CONTINUED DISCUSSION GOING TO COMMITTEE AND THEN I ECHO GREAT LOOKING PROJECT AND SMALL POTATOES I WOULD ASK FOR SOMEONE ON THE TEAM ARE THERE TREES IN THE MEDIAN ON ILLINOIS STREET THAT ARE BEING REMOVED AND OTHERS BE REPLACED OR MITIGATED AND IS NOT PART OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN?

>> MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE LEFT TURN ACCESS OFF OF ILLINOIS THAT WILL NEED TO BE SOME REALIGNMENT OF THE TREES AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.

>> AM GOING TO CONTINUE ON THAT THOUGHT FOR A SECOND FOR CLARIFICATION ARE YOU ASKING

FOR A MEDIAN BREAK ON ILLINOIS? >> YES. >> WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO IS WE ASK OTHER PEOPLE TO IN THE MEETING BUT IF THERE IS A MEDIAN BREAK I WOULD JUST ASK CONSIDERATION ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE MULTIUSE PATH OF ILLINOIS THAT YOU CONSIDER ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THERE ACCORDING TO THE CITY ARBORIST WERE WHAT HIS REQUIREMENTS OF YOU THINK THAT'S REALLY THE BEST WE CAN ASK FOR IN THIS CASE

>> THEY DENIGRATE JOB PRESERVING TREES BUT THERE ARE A FEW COMING OUT

>> WHILE WEARING TREES, I'M CERTAINLY A TREE LOVING KIND OF GUY SO THIS COMMENT MIGHT COME OFF AS ODD. I WOULD HOPE WE ARE NOT PRESERVING TREES UNDER THE GUISE OF PRESERVING TREES OFTEN TIMES WHAT I SEE IN THESE PROJECTS IS WE HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL TREE BUFFER AND IT LOOKS NICE IN THIS RENDERING WE GOT THERE WE LOOK AT IT AND IT'S NOT QUITE AS NICE. SO LET ME FINISH MY THOUGHT IS I'M HOPING THAT WITH THE SUPPORT OR DIRECTION OF AN ARBORIST YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND DROP SOME OF THE LESS FAVORABLE NOT VERY NICE LOOKING STUFF SO THAT WE CAN GET A RESURGENCE OF NICER NATIVE TREES SO THAT 10 YEARS FROM NOW WE ARE NOT -- I ASSUME YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT HERE AND SECONDLY, WHILE I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION, I SEE A LOT OF TURF AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TELL ME THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE NATIVE PRAIRIE AND NOT ALL KINGS ONE TURF AND THIRD, MR. HILL PART OF YOUR DETENTION AREA AND I'M HOPING YOU'RE GOING TO WOW ME WITH NATIVE GRASSES AROUND THE BANKS AND NOT THE KING'S LAWN TO THE EDGE.

WITH ALL OF THAT I WILL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU. >> WITH ALL OF THAT I WOULD SAY JOANNE GREEN FROM WAYNE STORY IS THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND SHE'S VERY SENSITIVE TO THOSE ISSUES. THE OWNER HAS REQUESTED THAT IP WERE TRIMMED CLOSE TO THE BUILDING AND THAT IT GETS MORE WILD AND NATIVE AS WE GET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING AND THAT'S THE OWNER'S ALL I WELL. THEY KEEP TRYING TO HAVE IT STATE PARK LIKE, THEY SAY AS WE GET FURTHER FROM THE BUILDING AND SO THAT IS CERTAINLY THE DESIGN INTENT WE ARE GOING FOR

>> WE MAY NEED TO HEAR HIM SAY IF YOU ARE IN AUTHORITY TO SAY IT IS NOT A COMMITMENT THAT

I'M HEARING? >> JOEL EMBIID DO A TERRIFIC JOB

>> WAS CLARIFY OUR COMMITMENT >> WE HAVE HAD AN ARBORIST GO OUT AND THEY'VE DONE PRELIMINARY MARKING OF TREES. THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE LEAVES TO COME OUT AGAIN SO THEY CAN DETERMINE THE HEALTH OF THE TREES IN WHICH TREES YOU ACTUALLY SAVE.

THAT IS A PART OF THE PLAN IN ORDER TO DO THAT >> JUST SO YOU KNOW AND YOU CAN EVALUATE THIS WITH OUR CITY ARBORIST BUT JUST LETTING HIM BE IS ALSO KIND OF A KOSHER PRACTICE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO IN THERE WITH EQUIPMENT AND DRAG IT OUT

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>> ALL OF THE NON-NATIVE CASES THEY ARE PLANNING ON >> AND TO THE NATIVE BANK THING, WE HAVE HAD VARYING SUCCESSES WITH THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT COULD PROBABLY BE EXCITED IF THEY WERE HERE TO HEAR ME REQUESTING THIS OF YOU BUT I WOULD REALLY VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE NATIVE PLANTINGS ALONG THIS WATER'S AS YOU HELP WITH THE WATER PURIFICATION AND MORE IMPORTANTLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A GOOD PLAN FOR MAINTENANCE AND ONGOING PRESERVATION OF THAT AREA AND IT GETS WRITTEN AS A LINE ON A DOCUMENT. IT DOESN'T GO WELL, AND THEN IT GETS SHAVED.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A REALLY CLEAR PLAN.OU DON'T NEED TO SHARE WITH ME AS MUCH AS WITH STAFF BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO MANAGE IT LATER. BUT THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST.

AND THEN MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL. I AGREE WITH THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING. UP CLOSE TO THE BUILDING, BEAUTIFUL TURF THAT'S BEEN SHAVED AND LOOKS GREAT AS MUCH NATIVE PRAIRIE AS WE COULD SEE AND A MAINTENANCE PLAN BECAUSE AS MOST PEOPLE KNOW A PRIORI ISN'T SUSTAINABLE. WHAT'S TO BECOME A FOREST AND IF THAT'S YOUR END GOAL, THAT'S GREAT WITH ME BUT IF YOUR GOAL IS WE REALLY DO WANT SOME OF THESE WERE OPEN WITH PRAYER AREAS, WE NEED TO HAVE MAINTENANCE PLAN AS WELL.

MAYBE DELINEATION FROM YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO HELP DEFINE THE SO I THINK WE ARE ALL CLEAR AND EXPECTATIONS. THIS IS MORE FOR MR. 28. THE DOCS REMAINING COMMENTS, WHEN WE GET TO COMMERCIAL, I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT THOSE ARE ALL RESOLVED.

I WILL RENDER THEM. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS HE WAS OUTSTANDING.

I LIKE TO PUT A CHECK IN ALL OF HIS BOXES AND THAT'S A BIT OF A CHALLENGE TO YOU.

AND ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE TALKED ABOUT 15 FOOT HUMANSCALE LIGHTS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE TO THE NORTH ON 11TH ST. I DON'T RECALL IF THOSE ARE 12 OR 15 OR WE CAN JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT IN THE AREA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS REALLY JUST PROJECT.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I GUESS FOR THE COMMITTEE TO EXPLORE.

THE WHOLE LIGHTS THAT ARE PROPOSED, AM I CORRECT IN INTERPRETING THE DIAGRAM THAT

IT NOT ONLY -- HORIZONTALLY OUT OF THE POLE OF THE FIXTURE. >> I BELIEVE WITHOUT FIXTURE THE HORIZONTAL LINING IS AN OPTIONA FEATURE FOR THE FIXTURE THAT YOU CAN USE TO HIGHLIGHT THE FAC'ADE OF A BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THE INTENT TO USE THE ELEMENT ON THE BUILDING.

>> THE POLE WOULD BE THE DOWN LIGHT. >> AND THEN IF I MISSED IT I APOLOGIZE. WHAT DID WE HEAR ABOUT THE COUPLE OF ELEVATIONS OR MAYBE THEY WERE PERSPECTIVES THAT SHOWED WALL SIGNS IDENTIFYING WITH THE IMI LOGO.

>> THE ONLY WALL SIGN THAT SHOWN IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S THE

RENDERING OF THAT. >> IS NOT A LIGHTED SIGN >> I SUPPOSE IT WILL BE A HALO

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ELIMINATION IF IT'S ELIMINATED. >> IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT'S UNDERSTANDING?

I DID RECALL COMMENTS IN THE REPORT ABOUT THAT LOCATION. >> I DON'T THINK WE GOT

DETAILS. >> QUESTION. I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE RECORD, I GUESS.

DID I ASKED THE QUESTION IS OUR GOING TO BE MEETING BREAK OR DID -- THERE IS A CURB CUT BUT

IS THERE A MEDIAN BREAK? >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I CLARIFY.

>> DEBBIE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR EMOTION? FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> I WILL RESEND THIS DOCKET ITEM FOR THE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY WITH THE COMMITTEE HAVING THE AUTHORITY FOR FINAL APPROVAL SUBJECT TO MEETING ALL

THE CONDITIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT. >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU, DEBBIE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. >> I WANTED DISCUSSION REALLY QUICK. OUR FOLKS HAVE TOLD ME THE POTENTIAL PLAN MEETING UNTIL THE SECOND WEEK OF APRIL THAT'S IN LINE WITH WHEN THE MEETING [INDISCERNIBLE] BEFORE WE

COORDINATE THOSE >> WOULD YOU BE OKAY AMENDING YOUR MOTION THAT -- RESOLVING OR ADDRESSING THE COORDINATION QUESTION MR. HILL BE A CONDITION OF THE COMMITTEE'S

ACTION? >> AMENDED TO MAKE YOU HAPPY. >> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE

AMENDED >> AM SURE COUNSEL WILL PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH TO MAKE IT

COME OUT THAT WAY >> A QUICK DISCUSSION ON THAT. THE TIMING OF THIS AND -- I'M

NOT ENTIRELY SURE OF UNDERSTANDING THE ASKED. >> I GUESS ALL I'M TRYING TO NOTE IS THE FOLKS MOVE FAIRLY SLOW WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE FAIRLY SWIFTLY.

I THINK TO THE EXTENT WE CAN WE SHOULD TRY TO DO THAT. I GUESS I WOULD HATE FOR THIS PROJECT TO GET APPROVED BUT LATER IN THAT COMES IN AND SAYS WE NEED TO BUY YOUR PROPERTY WITH A POND NEEDS TO BE MOVED OR WE NEED TO CO-LOCATE WITH YOUR POND

>> I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT OUR ENGINEERING TEAM IS DYNAMIC ENOUGH TO BE SO BUREAUCRATIC. YOU KNOW HIM PRETTY WELL. HE IS A LET'S DO IT MAKE SENSE

TYPE OF GUY. YOU KNOW HIM AS WELL AS I DO. >> RESPECTFULLY I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSION NOT TO MAKE THE MOTION CONDITION OR CONTINGENT UPON THEM THEIR WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION, BUT THEY WILL NOT MOVE IN ANY KIND OF TIME FRAME THAT WANTS TO HAVE HEADQUARTERS OPENED IN MID-2025. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IF THEY TAKE YEARS TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO CONDEMN LAND TO BUILD A ROADWAY AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY UNDERSTAND THE POINT, BUT THAT COULD BE A TIMEFRAME THAT WOULD NOT REALLY

WORK FOR THIS. >> WHY DON'T I BRING UP YOUR COMMENT TOMORROW AND I WILL RESPOND BACK TO YOU. SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE COMMITTEE THERE'S BEEN SOME

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>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LEAVE THE MOTION AS ORIGINALLY MADE AT ADVANTAGE OF THE COMMITTEE WITH FINAL APPROVAL AND AT THE TIME YOU GET TO THE COMMITTEE THIS -- THEY COULD DECIDE TO POSTPONE OR DELAY OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO AT THAT TIME, BUT I STILL THINK WITH ALL OF THE POSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS, MY POINT IS IT DOES NOT NEED TO COME BACK TO US AGAIN.

SO THEREFORE I WILL KEEP MY MOTION AS I MADE IT TO SEND IT TO COMMITTEE FOR FINAL APPROVAL

AND WHATEVER TIMELINE THE COMMITTEE SO DESERVES. >> THANK YOU AND I CONCUR IT'S NOT THE COMMISSION'S ROLE -- WE DON'T ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS, CONSTRUCTION PERMITS, SO WE CAN WORK ON THE DESIGN AND SET THE TABLE FOR AN OUTSTANDING PROJECT AND THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE FINANCIAL RISKS SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE REWORKED OR CHANGED LATER ON, THAT'S FOR OTHERS TO DECIDE. I THINK IT'S ALWAYS WISE TO TRY TO COORDINATE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE AND IT'S A GREAT OBSERVATION THAT YOU BRING TO OUR DISCUSSION.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR >> AND WAS SECONDED

>> THANK YOU >> ALL I FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO SEND THIS TO THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE APRIL 10 THE FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY AND ANY OPPOSED? THE COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE ON APRIL 10. THANK YOU ALL.

OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING FOR DAMAGE PREVENTION CARMEL CITY CODE THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO AMEND THE CARMEL CITY CODE IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A NEW ORDINANCE FLOOD DAMAGE PREVENTION AS CHAPTER 10 ARTICLE 5 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE FLOOD HAZARD ORDINANCE.

ON BEHALF OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION. WE HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE

>> IT HAS BEEN A WHILE. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY

SERVICES. >> BRIAN AND STEVE, IF YOU COULD LET US CONTINUE WITH ONE

OTHER ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. >> AGAIN, I'M FOLLOWING A REALLY BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND PROJECT AND HERE I AM BEFORE YOU WITH A 30 SOME PAGE FLOOD ORDINANCE, SO MAYBE NOT QUITE AS RIVETING AS A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS ALONG MERIDIAN STREET. HOWEVER, IT'S IMPORTANT -- IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE MOVE THIS FLOOD ORDINANCE INTO EXISTENCE. MANY OF YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR THAT CARMEL IS A PARTICIPANT IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM.

HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF COMMUNITES ACROSS THE NATION THAT ARE PART OF THE FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM BUT IN FACT, THIS PROGRAM IS THE ONLY WAY FOR FLOOD INSURANCE TO BE OFFERED IN THE COMMUNITY. AND IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM THROUGH FEMA, FROM TIME TO TIME, WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR FLOOD REGULATIONS. THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES THROUGH FEMA HAS PROVIDED AN UPDATED MODEL ORDINANCE AS THEY DO FROM TIME TO TIME. OUR LAST ONE WAS ADOPTED IN 2014 AND THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT THEY HAVE MADE. WE ARE BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING AND ASKING -- IN HOPES THAT THIS CAN MOVE FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL THIS EVENING. AND WE'VE BEEN A PART OF THAT PROGRAM SINCE 2019 AND AS A RESULT OF THAT RESIDENTS RECEIVE DISCOUNTED FLOOD INSURANCE IN ADDITION TO THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, WITH ALSO SINCE 2019 PARTICIPATED IN A PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES FLOOD

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THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE MODEL ORDINANCE ARE ONLY A FEW, BUT THEY HAVE ADDED DEFINITIONS WERE REPETITIVE LOSS AND HOW TO HANDLE SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL FACILITIES AND FLOODPLAINS. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT CARMEL NEEDS TO WORRY ABOUT, HOWEVER, AS A MODEL ORDINANCE, WE WENT TO BE PREPARED FOR EVERY POSSIBILITY.

AND FROM TOP TO BOTTOM IN THE ORDINANCE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT -- THESE ARE DETAILS FOR BUILDINGS HVAC EQUIPMENT AT OR ABOVE FLOOD PROTECTION GRADE, JUST UPGRADING A FEW OF THOSE THINGS THAT CAN HELP REDUCE INSURANCE CLAIMS. THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM IF FLOODING OCCURS. SO I WON'T GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THE ORDINANCE UNLESS SOMEONE HAS SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. HOWEVER, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE AS IT IS PROPOSED FROM THE MODEL ORDINANCE FROM FEMA AND THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES. HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. BUT WE ARE ASKING THAT THIS BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION.

>> I ASSUME THERE'S NO DEPARTMENT REPORT. THANK YOU.

I ALWAYS HAVE TO REMIND MYSELF OF THIS BODY'S ROLE WILL ME LOOK AT TAX INCREMENT ALLOCATION AREAS. WHEN THIS COMES ALONG ONCE EVERY 15 OR 20 YEARS, PLEASE REMIND ME WHAT THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IS WITH THIS -- I WAS GOING TO SAY AMENDED ORDINANCE

WITH THIS REPLACEMENT ORDINANCE. >> THIS REPLACEMENT ORDINANCE THE STATE AUTHORIZES IT THROUGH THE INDIANA PLANNING AND ZONING SECTION OF STATE STATUTE SO BY VIRTUE OF THAT BEING IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING TITLE, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HAVE TO REVIEW IT AND JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ORDINANCE AMENDMENT OR REZONE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S WILL IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHO WOULD THEN HAVE THE

FINAL ADOPTION POWER. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. CAN I SEE IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING MEN, THERE IS NO DEPARTMENT REPORT AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AT 7:08. QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION?

MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? >> I DO HAVE SOME. SO JUST TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

WHEN I READ THIS IT SOUNDED APPLY TO SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREAS FOR CARMEL.

IS THAT ALL OF CARMEL JUST A FEW AREAS, A FEW POCKETS? WHAT'S THE APPLICABILITY OF

THIS ORDINANCE IN OUR CITY. >> I DIDN'T BRING THEM OUT BUT IT IS A ZONING LAYER OR IS A LAYER ON THE JAS BUT GENERALLY, THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREAS RUN ALONG AS YOU CAN IMAGINE THROUGH THE RIVER FALL CREEK NAME SOME OTHER CREEKS BUT THEY ARE WATERWAY RELATED, GENERALLY, AND BASED ON ELEVATIONS AND TOPOGRAPHY, THE FLATTER IT IS ALONG THE RIVER THE WIDER THAT FLOOD PLANE WILL BE OVER IF THERE IS TOPOGRAPHY, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASED ON

ELEVATIONS FROM THE LEVEL OF THE RIVER. >> THAT'S HELPFUL IN MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS SINCE THERE WASN'T A REDLINE DRAFT SHOWING MARKED CHANGES I WENT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO. AT LEAST A CASUAL READ THROUGH ARE THERE ANY BIG MATERIAL

CHANGES >> MOST THINGS ARE THE SAME. THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF THINGS, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY ANY OF THEM ARE LARGE CONCERNS. I MENTIONED THE SOLID WASTE

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THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT UTILITIES ARE CONNECTED TO APPROVED PUBLIC UTILITY FACILITIES OR APPROVED PRIVATE FACILITIES TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF HAZARDS OR CONCERNS THAT COULD OCCUR IF THERE'S A FLOOD.

>> THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. >> THINKING.

IS THERE AYTHING BUSINESSES NEED TO DO TO RECEIVE THE DISCOUNT OR IT AUTOMATICALLY

HAPPENS? >> I BELIEVE IT'S THROUGH -- THE FLOOD INSURANCE IS OFFERED TO THE MARKETPLACE OF FLOOD INSURANCE COMPANIES. I KNOW THAT NEW FLOOD INSURANCE APPLICATIONS THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE APPLICATION AND ACCOUNTED FOR.

I'M NOT SURE AND I CAN CHECK ON THIS. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT EXISTING

POLICIES, IF -- HOW THAT GOES WITH RENEWAL >> SO IS THERE A NEED FOR ANY EDUCATION IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS TO BUSINESSES OR RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA?

>> POTENTIALLY. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LARGE MALE ANALYST THROUGH COMMUNITY RELATIONS ENGINEERING HAS SOMEONE THAT LOOKS AT FLOOD AND DRAINAGE AND THOSE TYPES OF

ISSUES >> I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU WANT TO COUPLE IT WITH JUST THINGS THAT EVERYONE CAN DO IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS TO KIND OF PREVENT ISSUES OR THINGS THEY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS EVERY FEW YEARS THE STATEMENTS ARE BASED ON PUBLIC INPUT EVENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, LOSSES, THEY DECIDE TO UPDATE THESE THINGS AND SEND THEM OUT AND SAY THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING OUT BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED. IT IS A MODEL ORDINANCE AND A GOOD DEAL OF IT APPLIES AND ACTUALLY READ THROUGH ALL OF IT BECAUSE I NEEDED 2 TO TRY TO GET TO SLEEP. JUST BEING CANDID. THAT DOES NOT NEED TO GO INTO THE RECORD. AND THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY CARRIERS AND UNDERWRITERS FOR THIS INSRANCE ANYWAYS IT IS NOT GOING TO BE AN AWFUL LOT -- WIDESPREAD COMMUNICATION BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE THAT MANY CARRIERS THAT DEAL WITH THIS KIND OF INSURANCE.

YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF WHAT I RECALL TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS ARE UPDATED AMENDMENTS THAT NEED TO BE ADOPTED, SMALL POOL OF INSURERS THAT ARE AFFECTED AND I TRUST THE CITY TO DO ANY KIND OF COMMUNICATION NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS. SO WITH ALL OF THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I RECOMMEND WE SEND THIS

TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. >> THINK ABOUT.

BEFORE WE TAKE THE VOTE, I WANT TO WEIGH IN AND SAY THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT CHANGES THE DESIGNATION OF ONE'S PROPERTY AS TO WHETHER IT IS IN A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD

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ALL IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS TO THE COUNCIL WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, SIGNIFYING AND ANY OPPOSED? SO IT SHALL BE. AND WE HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS ON OUR AGENDA SO WE WILL BE ADJOURNED. THANK

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