[1. Docket No. PZ-2022- 00172 PUD: Conner Prairie – PUD Rezone. ]
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WOULD LOVE FOR STAFF TO EXPLOR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WITH THE[00:55:53]
CITY ENGINEER ABOUT PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, BLOCKED CROSSINGS ,[00:55:58]
ROUNDABOUT . I TRUST THE CITY ENGINEER, MOSTLY BECAUSE I KNOW[00:56:09]
WHO HE IS. HE HAS PROVIDED AN ELEGANT ROAD THAT SHOULD SUPPOR[00:56:13]
TRAFFIC. I AM ALSO INCLINED TO MENTION TO THE PUBLIC AND[00:56:20]
COMMITTEE, THE CITY OF CARMEL HAS A LONG-STANDING POLICY TO[00:56:25]
NOT ENGINEER ROADS FOR THE 15-20 MINUTES RATHER, BUT 24[00:56:36]
HOURS A DAY TO ACCOMMODATE TRAFFIC. IF WE ENGINEERED ALL O[00:56:38]
OUR ROADS, AND IT'S AN ISSUE, OUR ROADS WOULD LOOK LIKE[00:56:41]
INTERSTATES. IF YOU DON'T MIND INDULGING ME FOR A SECOND ON GETTING IN THE WEEDS ON A COUPL OF THINGS, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR COMMITMENT, BUT IF YOU COULD TAKE A COUPLE OF NOTES AND WORK THESE CONCEPTS INTO YOUR CONCEPT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.PERMEABLE PARKING. THIS DOESN' HAVE TO BE ENTIRE SURFACE AREA.
AS ENGINEERS KNOW, THE WATER GOES TO CERTAIN AREAS IN A PARKING LOT. IF IT WORKS ITS WA INTO THE GROUND, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE BIO SWALES IN YOUR PARKING LOT.
THEY CREATE A BEAUTY. IT'S IN THE EYE OF THE BOULDER. SOME PEOPLE MAY SAY THOSE LOOK LIKE WEEDS, BUT I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY CLEAN THE WATER BEFORE IT MAKES ITS WAY INTO OU RIVER. LOVE TO SEE BIO SWALES. AND THEN OF COURSE, RAIN GARDENS. THE MORE RAIN GARDENS YOU CAN THROW AT THIS THING, I WOULD BE SUPER HAPPY. I'M TALKING ABOUT AROUND YOUR BUILDINGS. THESE ARE CULTURAL AMENITIES IN THE FORM OF LANDSCAPING, BUT ALSO AS YOU KNOW, CLEANS THE WATER FOR GOES TO THE RIVER. OR MAKES HIS WAY INTO THE GROUND, FOR THAT MATTER. HERE'S A REAL IN THE WEEDS ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE APPLE TREES IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE COOL, IF THERE'S A MULTI USE PASS, AND THERE'S APPLE TREES, AS CARMEL NATIVES CAN PICK APPLES AT THE RIGHT TIME OF YEAR -- THESE AR OUT OF -- I LOVE THAT YOU ARE USING THE TERM ECO-LODGE. THIS IS SOMETHING WE SPOKE ABOUT OFF RECORD. WHEN YOU SAY HOTEL, PEOPLE THINK IT'S A HILTON. OR SPRINGFIELD GARDEN, OR SOMETHIN LIKE THAT. WHAT WE SEE ON U.S.
31. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED, AND MAYBE, RESIDENT WHO HAVE COME TO MAYBE HAVE IT STATED A PLACE LIKE KINGFISHER ON FRASER ISLAND, WHICH IS A WORLD HERITAGE AREA IN AUSTRALIA, OR, THERE ARE'S SEVERAL IN NORWAY. AND OTHER AESTHETICALLY BEAUTIFUL PLACES. AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS SPECIA HERE. I WILL GET BACK TO THE REDUCTION IN A SECOND. I LOVE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I SAID AT ONE POINT, TREE HOUSES OR SUITES ON STILTS, SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY SPECIAL. SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO GO T -- YOU HAVE TO GO TO NORWAY, FINLEY, OR TOOK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT EXCRETES HERE ONOUR BEAUTIFUL WHITE RIVER. AND AGAIN, ENGAGE THE RIVER THROUGH I DARESAY, A PSEUDO-CAMPING EXPERIENCE. THE NATURALIZED AREAS ARE THE AMENITY HERE. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU SHARPEN YOU PENCIL AND YOU FIGURED OUT THAT IT IS 15%. THAT'S A GREAT NUMBER. SOMETIMES, WE TRY AND FIGHT FOR 15% GREEN SPACE ON A PROJECT. TO THINK THAT ONLY 15 OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE BUILT OUT, IT REALLY LIVES ITS WAY
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TO, WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL ASSET, JUST LIKE I INC. OF JACKSON'S GRANT. THE TYPOGRAPHY WAS NOT LOOKED AT AS A DETRIMENT, IT WAS LOOKED AT AS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE AN ASSET AND THEY BUIL IT AROUND THAT DETRIMENT. JACKSON'S GRANT ENDED UP BEING A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. THIS LEAD ME TO THE LAST AND FINAL POINT AND I WILL TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME. I WHOLLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN SUCH INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY IN THAT YOU HAVE BEGUN THE PROCESS OF AMENDING THE PUD. BUT, I SAID THIS IN LAST MEETING AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. AND I WANT TO REITERATE THIS POINT. AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WHEN YOU ASKED THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANTED, THEY SAID THE WANTED A BETTER BUGGY WHIP.SOMETIMES WHEN I SAID I COME I THINK THIS CROWD KNOWS WHAT A BUGGY WHIP IS. SOMETIMES, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS ANYMORE PEOPLE . IF YOU ASKED, THEY WOULD'VE SAID, WE WANT A TESLA. BUT THEY DID KNOW TO ASK FOR TESLA. IT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION AND BODY WHO IS PRESENTING TO US TO PROVIDE THE PEOPLE THE TESLA THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR. WHAT I AM GETTING AT IS, AT ONE POINT IN TIME, THEY WERE BUILDING THE COMMUNIT CENTER, AND PEOPLE GOT VERY SCARED. THE WHOLE PROJECT GOT DUMBED DOWN A SECOND TIME. AT THE END, GOT DUMBED DOWN AGAIN.
IN THE END, WE ENDED UP WITH SOMETHING -- IT'S A GREAT ASSE IN OUR COMMUNITY. BUT, WE DUMBED IT DOWN. I THINK THAT W SHOULD BE BOLD. WE SHOULD BE ADVENTUROUS. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING A LEGACY PROJECT TO OUR COMMUNITY. I IMPLORE YOU, PLEASE, LISTEN TO WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING. ARE YOU CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR FACE? WITH REDUCING THE HOTEL FROM 140 TO 70? THE CARMICHAEL IS BOOKED EVERY NIGHT, NOW. YOU CANNOT GET A ROOM THERE. THAT WORRIES ME. W ARE GOING TO DUMB SOMETHING DOW AND THAT WE WILL END UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS NOT -- THAT DOESN'T FUNCTION. I THINK THAT'S THE EXTENT OF WHAT I WANTED TO OFFER. I'M GOING TO GO SO FAR AS TO SAY, I THINK LEO TIPPED HIS HAT TO THIS. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING WE ARE DOIN AS CONSTRUED AS BEATING YOU UP I WANT THIS TO BE GREAT I WANT TO BUILD UP. I WANT US TO FOSTE GOOD CONVERSATION THAT GETS THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN. MAYBE MIGHT THROW ONE MORE THING OUT THERE. LEO ASKED FOR A COMMITMENT. I WANT TO ASK YOU FOR COMMITMENT, BUT I WILL LET YOU GO BACK TO YOUR BOARD AND TALK ABOUT IT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL ALWAYS NOD BACK TO THE REITERATION OF THIS. AND WHAT I MEAN IS, SOMETHING LIKE ELEMENTARY AGE CHILDREN IN CARMEL WILL ALWAYS VISIT THIS PLACE FOR A DOLLAR.
SOMETHING THAT REALLY LENDS TO , THIS IS OUR COMMUNITIES ASSET SOMETHING THAT FEELS LIKE THIS IS THEIRS. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT. I WILL NOT AS FOR A COMMITMENT TONIGHT. BUT, SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M NOT AXING YOU TO SHACKLE YOURSELF FOR EVER WITH A IMPOSSIBLE THING. BUT SOMETHING THAT SIGNIFIES, THIS IS A LEGACY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CARMEL PEOPLE CREATED FOR YOU FOR THE FUTURE. AND, THIS IS THE REMINDER FOR THAT. THANK YOU, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> QUICK QUESTION ABOUT CLARIFICATION. THE 15% NUMBER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT 15% OF THE ENTIRE ACREAGE OR 15 OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY DEVELOPABLE
>> IS 15% OF THE OVERALL ACREAGE.
>> OKAY. >> IT IS IDENTIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE AS PART OF THE REAL ESTATE.
>> THANK YOU. >> IN KEEPING WITH TWO OF THE PREVIOUS QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS I WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LETTER THAT LEO REFERENCED. I WILL NOT DO THAT. THERE WERE GOOD POINTS RAISED. IF YOU WAN TO DO TOUR TRAFFIC, MAKE IT A CORDUROY ROAD IN KEEPING WITH CONTEMPORARY PRAIRIE STYLE.
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WHICH I FIND TO BE AN INTERESTING TERM. MAKE IT A COVERED BRIDGE. THERE ARE THINGS YOU COULD DO TO MAKE IT REALLY COOL. I'M NOT BEING FACETIOUS ON THE SECOND ONE.PARKING. THE GROUND PARKING IS FINE. I THINK THERE ARE FUN THINGS YOU COULD DO WITH THAT. IF IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE PARKING BECOMES AN ISSUE, THEN BE CREATIVE AND THINK ABOUT THE ROUND BARN. IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S FUN TO LOOK AT, PEOPLE MIGHT GET BEYOND WHAT IT IS. I YOUR CONTEMPORARY PRAIRIE STYLE, ROUND BARNS ARE A COOL THING. INDIANA WAS NOTED FOR HAVING THEM, AND WE HAVE LOST A GREAT DEAL OF THEM. JUST A THOUGHT. AND THE LOGIC IS -- T YOUR POINT, THAT I'M HAPPY WIT IT BEING A LARGE AND NOT A HOTEL. THERE ARE GREAT LODGES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT ARE REALLY GOOD REPLICAS. THAT IS YOUR BUSINESS, AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT. THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. TWO QUICK THINGS. ONE MAY NOT BE SO QUICK. YOU MENTIONED THE TRAIL EARLIER. YOU NEED YOUR RED EYE. JUST POINT OUT -- JUST POINT OUT WHERE IT IS. EARLIER WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU WEREN'T HIGHLIGHTING IT. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE WHERE THE TRAIL IS BEING ENVISIONED.
>> BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, I WANT YOU TO KNOW, I JUST MET WITH PARKS AND WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THE EASEMENT AS IDENTIFYING IT AS SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CARMEL
FOR YEARS. >> IT'S AN IDEA NOT SET IN
STONE? >> NO. THE EASEMENT IS BEING DONE A LITTLE BIT UNIQUELY, BECAUSE WE WANT TO PRESERVE TREES AND OTHER LANDSCAPE FEATURES THAT ARE THERE. THE DESIGN DRAWING IS NOT TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. WE BASICALLY SAID, WE ARE GIVING YOU FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE. AS YOU ARE PAVING YOUR TRAIL, IF YOU COME TO A TREE, DON'T TAKE IT DOWN, GO AROUND AND WE WILL COM BACK AND SURVEY THE TRAIL AFTER THE FACT. AND THEN FINISH THAT WAY. THAT IS A LEVEL OF COMMITMENTS WE ARE MAKING IN TH PARKS DEPARTMENT.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. >> AS THE PARKS APPOINTMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO PIGGYBACK THAT. PARKS HAS WORKED WITH FOR A DECADE OR LONGER ON PUTTING TOGETHER THE EASEMENTS UNDER HER HUSBAND MY FUTURE TUTELAGE. THEY HAVE WORKED FOR A DECADE O MORE TO PUT TOGETHER ALL OF THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE. THIS WAS THE FINAL PIECE TO GET A PATH FROM 96 TO 146 ON THE RIVER .
>> I THINK IT'S FABLESS. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO
SEE WHERE IT WILL BE. >> ACTUALLY, I WILL POINT OUT.
PARKS IS WORKING TO IDENTIFY A SPOT OF PROPERTY THAT THEY BOUGHT JUST SOUTH OF YOUR RECENTLY. THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL TRAIL. AND THE IDEAS, THE TRAIL WHICH REVERSAL ON TH RIVER. THIS WOULD BE THE AREA WHERE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAV LODGING. THE IDEAS, THE TRAIL WOULD GET AS CLOSE POSSIBLE, STAYING UPLAND, BUT WHERE YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE THE TYPOGRAPHY BEGINS TO DROP OFF. THAT TRAIL WOULD TRAVERSE ALL THE WAY ALONG HERE, AND UNTIL ESSENTIALLY, YOU GET TO THE POINT HERE, WHERE YOU HAVE A FUTURE EDUCATION ECOLOGY CENTER HERE. THE TRAIL WOULD THEN HOOK UP AND WOULD CONTINUE UP TO YOUR RIVER ROAD , AND THEN CONTINUE ON CONNECTING TO BOTH EXISTING AND PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING ALL TH WAY UP TO 146. THE IDEAS THAT BASICALLY, I WOULD SAY 50% OF THE RIVERFRONT HERE ON THE CONNER PRAIRIE PROPERTY, WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO BE ACCESSED BY THE PUBLIC FREE OF CHARGE AS PART OF THAT COLLABORATION AND TRAIL WITH CARMEL CLAY PARKS.
THERE COULD BE ACCESS TO THESE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE BOARDWALKS. THAT HASN'T QUITE BEEN FIGURED OUT YET, BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THERE. WE THINK THAT AS WE GET INTO ZONE ONE, THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES A TICKETED AREA. ESPECIALLY PARTICULAR TO THE FARM USES. CONNER PRAIRIE WOULD MAINTAIN
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CONTROL OF THAT. THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT WE HEARD ABOUT, WH DOESN'T THE TRAIL GO ALL THE WA ALONG TO 146 . THERE ARE SICK DIFFICULT ISSUES HERE AS WELL AS, THERE ARE BERMS THAT WERE INSTALLED IN THE 30'S THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY NEED TO BE REBUILT. THEY WOULD REQUIRED TO BE REBUILT PER FEDERAL STANDARDS. IT WOULD BE A PERMITTING NIGHT NEAR NIGHTMAR . WE LOOKED INTO THAT. IT JUST WOULDN'T ADD MUCH BENEFIT.THERE IS SIGNIFICANT GREAT ISSUES WITH THE BRIDGE AT 146.
THIS TRAIL JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
>> TO ADD TO THAT, DESTROYING THAT FIRM WOULD TAKING AWAY SOME OF THE HISTORY OF WHAT THIS AREA IS. AND CONNER PRAIRIE IS LOOKING TO TALK ABOU WHAT ELI LILLY DID AND, THE THINGS THAT MAKES THIS AREA SPECIAL. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CARMEL FOR YEARS TO PUT THIS IN PLACE.
THINGS ARE HAPPENING OUT OF SEQUENCE. WE ARE DOING OUR BEST -- IF THEY COULD MOVE OVER THE PROJECT, IT'S A TIMEFRAME WERE
WORKING WITH. >> MY FINAL QUESTION IS, IT'S MORE FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYON WHO IS LISTENING. WHEN I READ THROUGH ALL OF THE LETTERS, A COMMON QUESTION WAS, WHY ON THI SIDE, WHY NOT ON THE ALLISON BILL ROAD SIDE? IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER. THANK YOU.
>> I CAN TAKE A STAB AT THAT, UNLESS YOU WOULD RATHER? OKAY.
AS WE WENT THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS, DAY ONE OF THE CEO OF CONNER PRAIRIE, HIS TENURE WAS, LET'S GIVE THE SURVEY FIGURE OUT THE PROPERTY. THROUGH THAT, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES.
PROPERTY THAT WASN'T PROPERLY MANAGED. AS PART OF THE APPROAC TOWARD LAND MANAGEMENT, AND ALIGNMENT WITH THEIR AMBITION, THE WESTSIDE MAKES SENSE. IT ALSO MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER, CONNER PRAIRIE TELLS THE STORY OF THE PRAIRIE. A PIONEER TIMES A KIND OF THAT EXPERIENCE AS A MUSEUM CENTER. THIS IS WHERE ELI LILLY WAS INTIMATING. THIS IS THE PIG FARM. THERE WAS A CATTLE FARM ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE FUTURES FUTURE PARK WILL BE. THIS IS THE BEST PLAC TO TELL THE STORY OF ELI LILLY, HIS TIME ON THE LAND, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW. THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE LILY PIONEERED A LO OF THE EXPERIMENTAL FARMING . HYBRIDIZATION, ANIMAL VACCINES.
THERE IS A HUGE HISTORY AND LEGACY ON THE SITE. IT WAS PAR OF WHAT HE WAS DOING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER. THAT WAS A BIG REASON FOR THIS. THE OTHER REASON WAS TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE RIVER FOR THE COMMUNITY. TH OXBOW, WHICH CONNER PRAIRIE IS WORKING TO PUT IN PRIVATE TRAIL AND OVERLOOKS, AS PART OF EXPERIENCES, THIS IS REALLY FAR AWAY. FOR ANYONE TO WALK TO. IT IS A 30 MINUTE WALK EASILY. THI IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PLACE FO CONNER PRAIRIE AS A STEWARD OF THIS PLAN TO PROVIDE ACCESS.
THAT IS WHY CONNER PRAIRIE IS LOOKING AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE
RIVER. >> WHILE YOU'RE ON THE TOPIC, SINCE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PROXIMITY AND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO WALK FROM ONE INTO THE OTHER IN DIFFERENT PARTS, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE HOTEL LOCATION. IF I'M A VISITOR AT THE HOTEL IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOUL BE BEST TO BE CENTRALLY LOCATED CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE PROCESS OF WHY IT NEEDS TO BE THERE ?
>> I THINK THE HONEST ANSWER IS, WE ARE GOING BACK AND WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND COM BACK TO YOU ALL. THE REASONS THAT THESE WERE CITED IN THESE PARTICULAR LOCATIONS, IT IS IMPORTANT AS WE THINK ABOUT APPROACHES TOWARD THE ECOLOGY CENTER, AND THE ENERGY EXPERIENCE, THAT THERE BE SOME KIND OF LOCATION THERE. WE HAV LOCATED THE FOOD RESTAURANT AREA HERE. IT COULD BE LOCATE BETWEEN THIS USE AND THIS USE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE HOTEL USE COULD NOT BE JUST AS SUCCESSFUL ON ANOTHER SPOT WITHIN ZONE TWO. KEN, I WOULD LET YOU SPEAK TO THAT. WE ARE WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT.
>> WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT MASTER PLANNING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE AVAILABLE SPACE AND FINDING ADJACENCIES THAT MAKE
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SENSE. TO YOUR POINT, WE PRIORITIZE WHAT THOSE ARE. IT NEEDED TO BE CLOSE TO THE ECOLOGY CENTER. THE RESTAURANT NEEDED TO BE CLOSE TO THE HOTEL FROM CATERING PERSPECTIVES. SO IF THEY HAVE EVENTS, THEY COULD HAVE CATERING AVAILABLE. AND THEN, THE LODGING COMPONENT WAS THE IDEAL LOCATION FOR THE CABINS IN THE SOUTHERN AREA SO THAT A HOME BASE WHERE THINGS WERE CLOSE. YOU COULD SERVICE THEM. AND KEEP AN EYE ON THEM.I WAS NOT HERE. PART OF THE REASON HE'S SPEAKING, HE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A FEW MORE YEARS THAN I WITH CONNER PRAIRIE. THAT IS HOW THIS EVOLVED. IT DOESN'T MEAN WERE NOT WILLING TO LOOK AT OTHER THINGS. OBVIOUSLY, I STATED WE WILL LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS. AND COME BACK WITH IDEAS AND THOUGHTS OF WHAT WE COULD DO TO MOVE THINGS AROUND. OBVIOUSLY, THIS WAS OUR INITIAL THOUGHTS AND PART OF THIS WORK SESSION I TO IMPROVE IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT WERE TRYING TO DO.
HAVE A PRIMARY CONCERN, IT'S THE LOCATION OF THE HOTEL AND THE CABINS. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO
SEEING AN ALTERNATIVE LOCATION. >> THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT MY FEAR AND THE UNFORTUNATE REALITY, PEOPLE WILL DRIVE FROM THE HOTEL UP TO THE ENERGY EXPERIENCE. THAT'S THE NATURE OF US. SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE NICE TO MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED
AND WALKABLE. >> WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO -- IS AN ECO-LODGE. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE IT INGRAINED INTO A BEAUTIFUL AREA. HAVING VIEWS O THE WHITE RIVER IN THE TREES, EVERYTHING THAT'S AROUND IT, I A DOUBLE PIECE OF WHAT MAKES IT A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE. THAT AREA HAS CHALLENGES. BUT THOSE CHALLENGES ARE ALSO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAN MAKE IT TRULY SPECIAL. THAT'S WHY. WE WILL LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. I HEAR YOU. WE CONTINUE TO LISTEN AND HEAR THOSE THOUGHTS AND IDEAS.
WE WILL COME BACK WITH A PLAN WE HOPE ADDRESSES THIS. AND
MAKE IT SPECIAL. >> YES, I WAS GOING TO SAY -- STEP IN FOR A SECOND. BUT I WA ACTUALLY GOING TO SAY IS, CAN YOU CONTINUE TO HELP THIS COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SHERIDAN IN DOWNTOWN MIAMI, AND WHAT YOU ARE PRESENTING? BECAUSE, THE CONCEPT ARC -- WHEN YOU SAY HOTEL, EVERYBODY'S MINDS GO TO WHAT YOU PULL OFF THE INTERSTATE. AND THAT IS NOT THI CONCEPT. I WANT PEOPLE TO BETTE UNDERSTAND . I WOULD LIKE TO STOP USING THE WORD HOTEL. IT HAS A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION. IF YOU CAN START HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE KINDS OF VISITOR AND GUESTS THAT WILL BE THERE, WHO THAT BODY LOOKS LIKE, HOW THEY ARE USING IT, WHAT THAT EXPERIENCE IS LIKE . YES, THERE'S A BED AND BILL YOU REST YOUR HEAD ON AT NIGHT. AND THAT WAY, YES, IT'S LIKE A HOTEL. I' NOT CONVINCING YOU. I'M SAYING THIS. I KNOW YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. HELP US.
>> WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS, GOING AND PUTTING AN ORDINANCE THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO CONTROL THAT. WE HAVE TWO CHALLENGES. WE ARE TRYING TO PU INTO WORDS WHAT CAN BE CONVEYED IN A PICTURE OR A DRAWING VERY EASILY. THE ISSUE IS, WE ARE I THE ZONING PROCESS. WE ARE GOIN TO PUT IT OUT WITH THE AMENITIES, THAT WILL ATTRACT PEOPLE THAT WANT THIS ECO-LODGE IN PLACE. HOW DO WE FORMALIZE THE WORDS THAT CAN PROVIDE TH UNDERSTANDING A CONCEPT OF WHAT THIS IS? WE RECOGNIZE A GOOD BREW TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS NOT A HOTEL. THIS IS SOMETHING TRULY UNIQUE THAT YOU WILL NOT SEE HER ANYWHERE.
>> IS NOT EXACTLY A LODGE. IT'S SOMETHING ELSE. I APPRECIATE APPEARED WORK ON IT, SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO. I THINK W NEED TO STOP THINKING HOTEL ON THE SITE. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE
ARE PRESENTING. >> I WILL ASK THAT THEY INCLUD
ECO-LODGE IN THE VOCABULARY. >> ECO-LODING . IT IMPLIES A BIG SCALE BUILDING LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN THE ISLAND, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU ARE PRESENTING.
>> LET ME DO MY BEST TO PUT SOMETHING ON PAPER AND I WILL
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WORK WITH THE TEAM. WE HAVE A GREAT DESIGN FIRM THAT CAN HELP US WITH THAT. WE WILL DO OUR VERY BEST TO TRY AND COME BACK WITH SOMETHING. I CAN ALLAY THOSE FEARS.>> THE ONLY THING -- I'M SORRY THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT, AS PART OF THIS UPDATE WE HAVE CHANGED THE TABLE TO REFERENCE ECO-LODGING/BOUTIQUE PRODUCT. WE HAVE THE ADDITIONA USE STANDARD. IT'S DEFINED AS A NATURE DEPENDENT LODGING FACILITY THAT MEETS THE PRINCIPLES AND PHILOSOPHIES OF EGOISM. IT AFFORDS PROTECTION OF ITS ENVIRONMENT AND OFFERS EDUCATIONAL AND PROFIT WE HAVE GONE AS FAR AS CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF LODGING HOTEL AWA FROM WHAT IS THOUGHT OF AS MORE OF FLAG PRODUCT AND SOMETHING ELSE. WE HAVE DEFINED IT DIFFERENTLY. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ADDITIONAL STANDARDS TO SATISFY THAT
REQUEST. >> BEFORE I SAY THIS, I WANT TO SAY, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS -- UNDERSTAND THIS IS TO HELP IMPROVE THE PROJECT GOING FORWARD. THE CENTER WILL BE AWESOME. THE FARM EXPERIENCE WILL BE AWESOME. MOST OF THE THINGS I AM HEARING ARE THINGS TO THE SOUTH. HOTEL COMMERCIAL.
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. BEFORE YOU TRY TO CONVINCE US, WE HAVE TO CONVINCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD . IT HAS TO WORK FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE OR ME TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM.
THE PEOPLE I SPOKE TO SAID THE SAME THING. IT HAS TO WORK FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, PEOPLE FEAR WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A BETTER WA TO SAY IT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE -- TO THEIR CREDIT, THE INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN OUT THERE. WE HAVE IDEAS AND DRAWINGS. I THINK WE WILL NEED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. HOW TALL ARE WE TALKING? THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. BEFORE PEOPLE COULD HAVE THEIR BUY-IN, IF THIS IS SOMETHING WITH THEY WANT TO LIVE NEAR. I DO THINK WE HAVE VERY SMART PEOPLE. I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ECO-LODGE AND A HOTEL. I WOULDN'T EVER SA THAT THE RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. BUT, THEY WANT TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION WE REVISED IT ORIGINALLY. AND, WE VOTED ON THIS. CITY COUNCIL VOTED ON THIS . HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ON THE RIVER. THIS IS A PUD, IT DOES NOT FALL UNDER THAT, CORRECT? BUT, I THINK WE DO HAVE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION THERE, THAT WE RECENTLY TOOK ACTION SAYING, W WANTED HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ALON THE RIVER. IF THIS WASN'T A PUD, WOULD THIS VIOLATE THAT? OKAY. THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. WE AMENDED THAT FOR THAT REASON. WHY DID WE DO THAT AND WHY ARE WE SO RECENTLY MAYBE WANTING TO GO BACK ON
THAT? THAT IS MY THOUGHT. >> FOR EVERYONE 'S AWARENESS, IT'S ONE STORY ALONG THE RIVER. THAT'S WHAT WE VOTED.
>> COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE? A COUPLE OF THOUGHT I HAVE HAD BEFORE TODAY AND WHILE LISTENING, THE CONTEXT AND THE DISCUSSION WITH COMMITTEE AND THE PETITIONER, HANDFUL OF THOUGHTS. ONE, A SPECIFIC QUESTION I HAD, APPRECIATIVE OF THAT, IT'S BEEN ANSWERED. I AM ALSO APPRECIATIVE OF THE NOTION THAT THERE IS A MASTER PLAN HERE.
THERE IS A PUD ASK OF A BIG PICTURE. APPRECIATE IT. LET'S STEP BACK AND WALK THROUGH IT. WHAT IS THIS FROM A BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE? THAT IS BEEN HELPFUL TO HEAR AND UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT. IT WILL EDUCATE TH FOLKS HERE TONIGHT, AS WELL AS PEOPLE WATCHING ONLINE AND AS W GO FORWARD. AND THE OTHER THOUGHT I HAVE RELATED TO THAT IS, IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT BIG PICTURE DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE BEAUTY FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY ON THE WESTSIDE OF THE RIVER IN CARMEL. IT'S NOT A ONE OFF ECO-LODGE. AN OFFICE BUILDING THERE, ANOTHER PIECE O DEVELOPMENT. I'M APPRECIATIVE O THAT. I AM INTRIGUED BY THE PROJECT. FROM A SMALL PICTURE STANDPOINT, I GUESS, YOU COULD TALK ABOUT TODAY AND BRING MORE INFORMATION DOWN THE ROAD AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE DIALOGUE, BUT, YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKIN
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ABOUT SENSITIVITY TO THE RIVER, THE ECOLOGY THAT'S THERE TODAY THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS. KIN OF DOWNSCALING THE DEVELOPMENT ALL OF THOSE SOUND GREAT. ALSO TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE FOR THIS AREA. IT ALL LOOKS GOOD. IF THERE'S A GREATER DISCUSSION TO BE HAD RELATED TO HIGH PERFORMANCE BUILDING MATERIALS AND ENHANCE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT WE CAN REALLY HELP TELL THE STORY OF WHAT WE DO HERE. MAYBE YOU ARE ALREADY IMPLEMENTING AND DOING THOSE THINGS. IF THERE'S MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE, IT'S OF INTEREST TO ME GIVEN THE PROXIMITY TO THE RIVER. I AM INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING BETTER, IT'S NO MORE THAN A SCALED-DOWN EXHIBIT OF WHAT YOU'VE GOT, UNDERSTANDING FROM A TRAIL SYSTEM PERSPECTIVE, YOU DESCRIBED IT SAY. FOR PEOPLE THAT AREN'T HERE, WHERE CAN THE PUBLIC ACCESS THE PROPERTY? CURIOUS IN UNDERSTANDING HOW FOLKS ARE KEPT FROM THE GATED OR TICKETED PART? IS IT FENCING, GAIT , SECURITY, IS IT NOTHING? JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER. ONE NOTION THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING IS, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS MAYBE THERE'S A IMPROVEMENT A THE FUNCTION OF THE TRAFFIC. A QUESTION I HAD THAT WAS ANSWERE WITHOUT NEEDING TO SPECIFICALL ASK, THE PROPERTY IS BEING RETAINED BY CONNER PRAIRIE. AS THINGS DEVELOP, IS THERE AN INCREASE OR BENEFIT TO THE CITY? AS WE CONTINUE TO OFFER CITIES SERVICES, GROUND CONTROL, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, IF THERE'S SOME UNDERSTANDING, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, FROM A BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE OF THE OVERALL PROJECT. THAT'S ALL I HAD. I MADE A COUPLE OF NOTES HERE. TRYING TO THINK HOW WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD. I HAVE HEARD A DISCUSSION TODAY ABOUT CONCERNS WITH TRAFFIC , LIGHTING, AND DEVELOPMENT ON TH RIVER. TO ME, I'M OPEN. IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S MAYBE DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE ABOU THE USES THAT THE SIZE OF THE LOT, LOCATION . WE TALKED ABOUT CAPPING THE OFFICE BUILDING AT 110 SQUARE FEET. MAYBE IT'S LES THAN THAT. THAT DRIVES THE FUTURE DISCUSSION RELATED TO TRAFFIC , LIGHTING, AND SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS WE HAVE HEAR ABOUT. WE NEED A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT THE USES. WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED BY CONNER PRAIRIE, SO THEY CAN ADDRESS TH COMMENTS TONIGHT ABOUT WHAT WE LIKE OR WHAT WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT. AND TRY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD SO IT MIGHT INFORM THE OTHER ELEMENTS RELATED TO THAT.THE WILL OF THE PETITIONER? WHA IS YOUR TIMEFRAME? WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON? WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST USE OF YOUR TIME SO THAT W CAN MAKE THESE MORE EFFECTIVE SESSIONS AS WELL?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK GETTING THIS RE-INTRODUCING THE CHANGES THAT TAKEN PLACE, IT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT. WHAT I WOULD HOPE WITH THESE MEETINGS, THE WOULD BE HANDS-ON , LOOKING AT DRAWINGS, TALKING TO THE ACTUAL DETAILS AND BEING COLLABORATIV TOGETHER. TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. IF WE COME AND GO AND COME BACK ON THE SUBTLE CHANGE HOW CAN WE DO THAT? IN A SPACE THAT ALLOWS FOR US TO SIT AROUN THE TABLE INSTEAD OF PLANS, AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE. THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR MY END.
WHETHER THAT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT, I WOULD PUT THAT BACK ON YOU.
FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOV THIS FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO MOVE THEIR HEADQUARTER HERE. THEY CONTINUE TO CHANGE SOME OF THEIR ARRANGEMENTS . THIS IS THE SPACE THAT THEY WAN TO BE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S AN REASON TO PUSH SOMETHING. THE OTHER CHALLENGE I WOULD SAY, IF YOU DON'T MIND ONE MORE, AS I'M SURE YOU CAN APPRECIATE, THE TIMING OF WHEN CARMEL CLAY PARKS WAS PUTTING THE GREENWAY EXTENSION IN. IT WILL BIFURCAT THE PROPERTY. WHICH IS GOING T CHANGE THE ABILITY FOR US . I
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HATE TO BE SO BOLD. BUT TO PROTECT THE ASSET THAT WE HAVE THERE. AND WERE HOPING THAT THESE THINGS WOULD HAPPEN AT TH SAME TIME. SO THAT WE COULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR PROJECT AT THE SAME TIME THEY ARE MOVIN THINGS FORWARD. IT'S GOING TO CREATE LOTS OF CHALLENGES. IF WE HAVE A PATH GOING THROUGH AN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE EXTRA CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY FOR OURPROJECT -- >> I UNDERSTAND. I STILL HAVE THE FOUR. I'VE MIGHT RECOMMEND AND WOULD BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMISSION HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT. THIS BECOMES A SUMMER OF WORKING SESSIONS. WE TAKE THAT FOURTH TUESDAY OF THE NEXT SUCCESSIVE MONTHS AND SEE HOW MUCH, EAT AT LEAST SCHEDULE THEM OUT AND SEE WHAT WORK AND BE DONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MOVE IT FORWARD ANY QUICKER. WE ARE BUSY PEOPLE WITH BUSY SCHEDULES. THERE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. I GUESS ALTERNATIVELY, AND I MIGHT LOOK TO BRAD AND HE COMMISSIONER, PEOPLE MATURED THESE THINGS BEFORE. WHAT OF THE NOTION OF BRINGING THIS UP TO AND 70 TWO COMMITTEES EVEN TO WORK ON IN SMALLER BATCHES? DON'T LOVE THAT IDEA. I LIKE THE IDEA OF US STAYING A COMMISSION IN THE HOLE AND CONTINUING TO WORK.
>> A COUPLE OF THINGS. I THINK WE HAVE BEEN POLLED ABOUT AVAILABILITY FOR THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING. I DON'T REMEMBER THE STATES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WE WERE GETTING INTO THE THIRD WEEK OF JULY, THAT FAR OUT. THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY THE NEXT MEETING. FOR MY OWN PERSPECTIVE, I NEEDED TONIGHT AS A REFRESHER. BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD THESE CONCEPTS SINCE LAST AUGUST. BUT, WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED TONIGHT, WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED A FAIR AMOUNT. WE HAVE GIVEN THE PETITIONER AND THEIR TEAM SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT THE POINTS ARE. MAYBE WHERE TO BEGIN. I THINK IN TERMS OF HOW WE HANDLE IT AS A COMMITTEE OF A WHOLE, AND I DEFER TO OUR CHAIR, IS T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BREAK THIS UP INTO PIECES. AND SOMETIMES FOR A PROJECT, IT'S LOOKING AT LANDSCAPING IN ONE AND STRUCTURE AND ARCHITECTURE IN ANOTHER. THAT DOESN'T WORK HERE. WE HAVE TOO MUCH VARIETY. WE HAVE A WONDERFUL AMOUNT OF VARIETY. I THINK FIGURE OUT A WAY TO LOOK AT COMPONENTS OF THIS PROJECT. IN THEIR TOTALITY ARCHITECTURE, LIGHTING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS FOR ONE SECTION O ONE GROUP OF BUILDINGS AT A TIME, IS ONE WAY OF DOING IT. AND THAT MIGHT ALLOW THE PETITIONER TO HELP US FOCUS O AT LEAST THE OFFICE COMPONENT WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE THE GREATEST URGENCY.
>> YES. WHAT I DESCRIBED A FEW MOMENTS AGO ABOUT LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT USES, SO THEY COULD INFORM THE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT, PERHAPS, IF IT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMITTEE, I MAY BE ZONE TWO FOR THE OFFICE AND ECO-LODGES, MAYBE THEY'RE WORTH TALKING ABOUT OUT THE GATE. TRYING GET THE COLLABORATION GOING SO WE CAN GET FEEDBACK.
>> I AGREE. IT WOULD GIVE US A DIRECTION. PLUS, RESPONSES IN GENERAL TO STATEMENTS MADE TONIGHT.
>> WANT TO MAKE SURE THROUGHOU THIS PROCESS THAT WE ARE GETTIN COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. WE HAVE HA LETTERS AND WHAT NOT. WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO TESTIMONY AT THIS MEETING. YOU HAVE DONE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS IN THE PAST. WE WOULD DO THOSE AGAIN.
>> WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF HAVING COMMITTEE MEETINGS, IT'S SOMETHING WE AR OPEN TO. WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WOULD BE THE IN GOAL THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY RECEIVED TODAY ON INPUT? ARE WE JUST GOING TO REHASH THE SAME CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD?
>> BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE THOSE. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHA
THE GOAL IS. >> I THINK A RECOMMENDATION WA TEXT TO ME BY THE PARK BOARD PRESIDENT IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. HE POINTED OUT THAT PARKS HAS HAD SUCCESSFUL DESIG
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WHERE WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO G TO THE RESIDENCE AND HAVE A DESIGN WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT THE WAY THAT THE BUILDINGS WILL LOOK AND GET INPUT ABOUT THAT PIECE. IT'S NOT LIKE THIS SCAL REWORKING AS KEN HAS SAID. THEY HAVE GOTTEN THAT FEEDBACK.MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY FOR US TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK TH DESIGN MIGHT LOOK LIKE. I'M TALKING ABOUT AESTHETICALLY OF THE BUILDINGS, ET CETERA.
>> THE DESIGN IS PART, BUT THER OTHER QUESTIONS. BEYOND DESIGN I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT. COMMUNITY BUY-IN WILL BE KEY.
>> MASTER QUESTION AS A FOLLOW-UP TO WHAT YOU MENTIONED IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE A GOOD MOMENT TO CIRCLE BACK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND MAYBE GET FURTHER BUY-IN IS, WE HAVE HEARD FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF YOU. WE HAVE SEEN LETTERS. I THINK WE NEED SOME TIME TO PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND RESPOND TO THAT INFORMATION. MAYBE AT THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO THE GIVE THE NEIGHBORS AN UPDATE. THAT'S WHEN WE MAY GET MORE
MEANINGFUL FEEDBACK. >> THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
>> I AM UNDERSTANDING THE TIMELINE, IT SOUNDS LIKE, WHAT I JUST HEARD, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE HAVE GATHERED AND HURT ME BACK THIS EVENING. PERHAPS THERE IS A HUDDLE UP THAT YOUR TEAM NEEDS TO DO. CHANGES THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED.
SO WHEN WE COME BACK TO OUR NEX MEETING, WE WILL HAVE A DIALOGU ABOUT THOSE. AND CONTINUE WITH FEEDBACK FROM THIS GROUP AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEIGHBORS AND HAVE THE NEXT MEETING TOGETHER.
AND HAVE RESIDENT FEEDBACK? >> JUST TO CLARIFY CHAIR, NEXT MEETING WE WILL TALK ABOUT ZON TWO SPECIFICALLY? ZONE TWO WIT ALL THE CHANGES TODAY, AND TO DEEP DIVE INTO ZONE TWO , IS
THAT THE PLAN? >> THAT IS FAIR TO THE EXTENT W CAN GET CHANGES BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT. THAT WOULD HELP A ROBUS DISCUSSION. OVER ZONE TWO WITH THIS GROUP. HELP DILUTE IN IN
COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. >> I THINK THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
>> YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TONIGHT.
>> TO THE COMMENTS ABOUT DATES JULY 29TH WAS A DATE THAT STAP INDICATED WASN'T AVAILABILITY. THE REASON IS, THE 27TH IS YOUR NORMAL COMMITTEE. THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED O JULY 5TH. IF WE USE THAT MEETING, IF IT WAS IN THE 29TH OF JUNE, THAT WOULD WORK FOR OU TEAM AND AFTER THAT JUNE 29TH MEETING, WE COULD DO PUBLIC OUTREACH IN JULY TO COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AGAIN AT THE END OF JULY. FOR THAT NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT. THOSE ARE MY IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS. OF COURSE, WE ARE LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION WHICH HAS SCHEDULES AND EVERYTHING. IF WE COULD MEET ON JUNE 29TH AND SET A DATE FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THIRD
TUESDAY LOOKS LIKE. >> THE FOURTH TUESDAY , RATHER
THAT WAS MY, TO THE CHAIR. >> IF WE DON'T NEED THEM, WE DON'T NEED THEM. BUT OF THIS THEY ARE ON THE CALENDAR.
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE HEARTBURN OVER THAT? HEARING NONE.
>> WE JUST CAN'T HAVE IT ON THE FOURTH TUESDAY OF JUNE. WE HAV A COMMITTEE MEETING. THE FIRST TUESDAY IS JULY 4TH.
>> OUR FIRST MEETING WILL BE JUNE 29TH ON A THURSDAY? BUT THE FOLLOWING COULD BE THE FOR TUESDAY?
>> THERE IS NO HARM, NO FOUL. WORST CASE IS, WE SAY NO. WE WILL BE DONE. THE LONGER WE SCHEDULE IT OUT, THE QUICKER IT WILL BE DONE. IF WE DON'T SCHEDULE ENOUGH, WE WILL NEVER
BE DONE. MURPHY'S LAW. >> DO WE MOVED TO ADJOURN?
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>> SOUNDS LIKE IT. HAD GOOD DIALOGUE TONIGHT. APPRECIATE TH DISCUSSION TODAY. WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING WITH THIS COMMITTE AND TILL THEN WE WILL STAND ADJOURNED.
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