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[Budget Workshop on September 22, 2023.]

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>> GOOD MORNING. THIS SESSION OF THE 2024 BUDGET WORKSHOP IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. WE HAVE A QUORUM.

WE ALSO HAVE TWO COUNCILORS. ADAM AASEN AND KEVIN RIDER ARE VIRTUAL. THAT IS WORKSHOP WHERE WE ARE REVIEWING ALL DEPARTMENT BUDGETS.

AND THEN IN OCTOBER, THE MAYOR WILL PRESENT A BUDGET THAT WILL INCLUDE REVENUE VERSUS SPENDING, AND SO-- AND EVERY COUNCILOR IN GROUPS OF TWO HAVE MET WITH EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS.

WE DIVIDED UP THAT LIST IN ORDER TO HAVE THE DETAIL.

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

WE WILL MOVE TO COMMON COUNCIL. 1401.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO OUR AMAZING CLERK.

JACOB QUINN. YOU KNOW, JACOB, THE THINGS THAT UNFORTUNATELY DONE ARE REALLY AMAZING TO HELP US.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I CANNOT TAKE CREDIT FOR THIS.

I'M GOING TO REVIEW REAL QUICK SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE. I DO WANT TO JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW THERE IS A 6% INCREASE. A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS.

FIRST OF ALL, THE FIRE BUFFS FOR THE LAST TIME, I BELIEVE, WE WILL BE SUPPORTING THE RESTORATION OF THAT-- THE FIRST ENGINE. THE FIRST ENGINE.

THERE IS A SLIGHT INCREASE THERE.

THEN THE EDUCATION FOUNDATION ALSO CAME TO US FOR A SLIGHT INCREASE. SO THOSE ARE CHANGES THAT YOU WILL SEE. I BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO BE SOME TRAINING NEEDED AS WE HAVE A NEW GROUP OF COUNCILORS.

I HAVE COINCIDENTALLY BEEN ABLE TO SCHEDULE SOME MEETINGS AND GET SOME DATES ON THE CALENDAR. BUT AS WE DID WHEN TERESA AYERS JOINED US, THERE ERE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO ALLOW HER TO GET SOME TRAINING. I BELIEVE WE WILL BE DOING THAT.

YOU WILL SEE AN INCREASE IN THAT BUDGET ALSO.

AND THEN I DID KIND OF ADJUST OUR LEGAL FEES BUDGET BECAUSE WE JUST HADN'T USED IT FOR YEARS. I THOUGHT IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE. THERE IS STILL DOLLARS THERE.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OH, AND THE OTHER THING, TOO, IT NEW TECHNICALLY EMPLOYEES REGARDING THE HEALTH INSURANCE.

IT IS A GUESS AS TO WHAT THEY WILL TAKE.

HIGHEST. THERE MAY BE SOME TRIMMING WE CAN DO. ONCE THAT STARTS.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JACOB? NO. I'M JUST KIDDING YOU.

(LAUGHTER) ALL RIGHT. GREAT.

OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON, THEN, TO-- I HAVE TO STEAL MY-- WE ARE MOVE ON TO CITY ENGINEER.

JEREMY KASHMAN. GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. FOR THE CITY ENGINEER'S OFFICE BUDGET, 2200, WE BASICALLY KEPT EVERYTHING THE SAME.

THE ONLY CHANGES WERE IN REGARDS TO-- WE DO HAVE 3% COLA THAT WE ARE BUDGETING FOR. WE HAVE THREE STEP INCREASES.

OUR DEFERRED COMP INCREASED JUST A LITTLE BIT.

JUST FROM EMPLOYEES TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE-- WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED FOR AS FAR AS DEFERRED COMP.

OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING IN THE 2200 BUDGET IS THE SAME.

SLIGHTLY OVER A 2% INCREASE. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STREET DEPARTMENT? ANYONE ON-LINE? ALL RIGHT.

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VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE ON, THEN, TO 202.

>> FOR THE 202, LOCAL RESIDENTS STREET BUDGET, WE WORKED WITH KIRK'S OFFICE TO COME UP WITH WHAT THE EXPECTED REVENUES WILL BE AND BUDGETED ACCORDINGLY SO WE HAVE THREE LINE ITEMS IN THIS BUDGET, KEEPING THE $200,000 IN ENGINEERING FEES THE SAME.

WE ARE BUDGETING ALMOST $526,000, AS WE DID LAST YEAR, FOR THE STREET DEPARTMENT TO USE IN THEIR STREET REPAVING PROGRAM. SO THAT IS-- IF YOU SEE STREET REPAVING IN MY BUDGET, THAT IS A LINE ITEM THE STREET DEPARTENT WILL USE. OUR OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES LINE DID GO UP. $80,000.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH KIRK'S OFFICE ON.

ANTICIPATED REVENUE. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON 202 BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALL RIGHT.

203, PLEASE. WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND JUST RUN THROUGH THOSE. STOP ME IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION. LET'S DO IT THAT WAY.

>> F FOR 203, KIND OF SAME THING ALONG THE LINES AS 202.

THE INCREASE IS HERE, BASED OFF OF THE ANTICIPATED REVENUES.

THE ONE IMPROVEMENT YOU WILL SEE IN THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS LINE, WE ARE MOVING THAT FROM $50,000 TO $60,000.

OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE HAD TO USE THAT LINE ITEM TO PURCHASE RAPID-FLASHING BEACONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO EMPLOY ON A COUPLE OF ROUND-ABOUT FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS.

AS WELL AS THIS LINE WAS VERY HANDY WHEN WE HAD THE ADJUSTMENT. THE SCHOOL SCHEDULE.

WITH BUSING. WE HAD THAT EQUIPMENT ON HAND THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DEPLOY RELATVELY QUICKLY ON SOME ADDITIONAL CROSSWALKS TO SCHOOL LOCATIONS.

>> SO I GUESS WHILE WE ARE ON MANY MORE FLASHING BEACONS ARE

GOING OUT IN '24? >> I WOULD HAVE TO REPORT BACK ON THAT NUMBER BECAUSE WHEN WE ORDERED OVER MULTIPLE YEARS, WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS WE WENT TO DEPLOY THEM AS THEY HAD DIFFERENT SERIAL NUMBERS. THEY DIDN'T TALK WELL ENOUGH.

THE STREET DEPARTMENT HAD TO GO BACK AND HELP CATEGORIZE ALL OF THOSE WITH THE SERIAL NUMBERS SO WE COULD MOVE SOME AROUND AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY TALK. BUT WE DO HAVE-- WITH THE MISCELLANEOUS PATH PROJECT THAT WE JUST BID, WE HAVE ROUGHLY 15 OR 20 NEW CROSSWALK LOCATIONS THAT ARE GOING IN.

THAT IS ON EXISTING PATH NETWORK THAT WE HAVE JUST RECEIVED CONSTITUENT INQUIRIES AS FAR AS GETTING --

>> LIKE MID-BLOCK CROSSWALKS? >> YES.

WE HAVE SEVERAL LOCATIONS THAT WE WILL BE DEPLOYING BY THE END

OF THIS YEAR. >> THAT IS A BIG QUESTION.

COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND SEND OUT A LIST OF THOSE TO THE COUNCIL?

>> YES. >> I'M GETTING QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? COUNCILOR FINKAM?

>> JEREMY, WOULD YOU CONSIDER DOING A PRESS RELEASE ON THAT? THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE GET ASKED FOR THAT IS VERY HIGH.

>> YES. >> IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO

SAY, HERE IS WHERE THEY ARE AT. >> YES.

WE CAN DO THAT. >> COUNCILOR HANNON?

>> THE BANG FOR THE BUCK ON THOSE THINGS IS INCREDIBLE, I THINK. THEY ARE SELF-CONTAINED.

THEY ARE SOLAR-POWERED. GENERALLY, THEY ARE $1 5RBGS00 OR $2,000 A POP. SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> YEAH. WE USUALLY GET 10-12 UNITS WITH OUR 50,000. WE HAVE HAD TO WORK WITH THE STREET DEPARTMENT. THEY INSTALL THEM, BUT THEN WE HAVE HAD TO GET LONGER POSTS ALSO BECAUSE WITH THE SOLAR PANELS, IT IS A DIFFERENT POST THAN WE HAVE FOR THE REST OF OUR

STREET SIGNS. >> YEAH.

AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TBUNDING PLENTY OF THOSE.

I MEAN, IT MAKES SUCH A DIFFERENCE.

BECAUSE IT CATCHES PEOPLE'S EYE. THEY MAY NOT SEE THE PEDESTRIAN YOUD UP. THEY WILL SEE THE FLASHING LIGHTS. THAT HELPS QUITE A BIT.

>> OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON 203?

>> COUNCILOR AASEN? >> I WANTED TO CHIME.

IN ONE, I RECEIVED A LIST OF 24 DIFFERENT CROSSWALKS.

SOME OF THEM ARE RAPID FLASHING BEACONS.

SOME ARE SIGNS. I CAN FORWARD.

THAT I DO AGREE A PRESS RELEASE WOULD BE REALLY GOOD.

WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT. THAT I DO WANT TO THANK BOTH JEREMY AND THE STREET DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR FLEXIBILITY WITH INSTALLING THESE. I KNOW A CONSTITUENT IN MY DISTRICT ASKED FOR ONE AT BROOKSHIRE PARKWAY.

THEY WERE ABLE TO MOVE ONE FROM ELSEWHERE AND REPLACE ONE WITH KIND OF THE NEWER RAPID FLASHING BEACONS.

SO HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY IS REALLY GREAT AS KIND OF YOU GET THOSE CONSTITUENT CALLS, AND YOU KIND OF SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.

KUDOS THERE. I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THAT WE CONSIDER-- CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE CITY AND WHERE THESE MIGHT

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BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE. BECAUSE I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR HANNON. YOU GET A BANG FOR THE BUCK WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.

>> I WANT TO -- >> GO AHEAD, MAYOR.

>> I WANT TO COMPLIMENT JEREMY FOR THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, IN GENERAL. FROM THE VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER THE YEARS IN CARMEL.

INDIANAPOLIS WHICH IS EIGHT TIMES OUR SIZE, ROUGHLY, HAD 151 PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES IN 2022. 151.

IF YOU DO THE MATH, WE ARE ONE-EIGHTH THEIR SIZE.

THAT WOULD BE 19 FOR CARMEL. WE HAD ZERO.

SO OUR SYSTEM WORKS. AND IT IS IN LARGE PART, DUE TO VERY CAREFUL ENGINEERING AND PROPER INVESTMENT SO THE

PEDESTRIANS ARE SAFE. >> WE HAVE A LOT OF WALKING IN

THIS COMMUNITY, TOO. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK ANYWAY.

POLICY ON RAISED CROSSWALKS AT ROUND-ABOUT.

>> SO OUR POLICY SO FAR ON RAISED CROSSWALKS HAS BEEN WE HAVE FOCUSED ON PUTTING THEM IN THE URBAN CORE.

WE HAVE LOOKED AT OR TALKED ABOUT INTERNALLY, MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A GOOD THING TO PUT THEM EVERYWHERE.

ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.

WE HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH A LITTLE BIT IS, LIKE, RETRO FITTING EXISTING ROUND-ABOUTS. THERE IS SOME CONCERNS WITH DRAINAGE. ALL OF THE NEW ROUND-ABOUTS THAT WE ARE CONSTRUCTING THEM WITH, WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

IT DOES BECOME A LITTLE, A LITTLE TRICKY WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN DRAINAGE AND WE COULD PUT THE RAISED CROSSWALK IN AND THEN MAYBE SOME PUT SOME KIND OF METAL PLATE OVER WHERE THE DRAINAGE WOULD GO.

WE ARE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT WOULD A SNOWPLOW HIT THAT OR SOMEONE CUTTING TOO CLOSE TO THE CURB HIT THAT WITH THEIR TIRES? THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION. THERE WAS A CITY IN OHIO THAT ACTUALLY CAME OVER TO SEE OUR RAISED CROSSWALKS.

THEY INSTALLED THEIR OWN. SO I'M WAITING TO SEE HOW THEIRS TURN OUT AND PROBABLY GO VISIT THERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT

ALSO. >> JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, 116TH AND RANGELINE. ARE THERE RAISED CROSSWALKS AT

THAT? >> 116TH AND RANGELINE,

THERE ARE NOT. >> YEAH.

THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT. YEAH.

WHY IS THAT? >> PART OF THAT WAS A BUDGET CONSTRAINT AS WE-- THE ROUND-ABOUT PROJECT WAS FUNDED WITH GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. SO KEEP IT UNDER OUR PRICE CAP, WE TOOK THEM OUT. MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN

ADD BACK IN IN THE FUTURE. >> OKAY.

IT IS A TALKING POINT RIGHT NOW. I WILL TELL YOU, OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY. ALL RIGHT.

I THINK COUNCILOR NELSON WAS NEXT, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, JEREMY. THE ROUND-ABOUTS ON TOWN ROAD, PEOPLE SEEM TO DRIVE FAST ON THAT ROAD.

I GET A LOT OF CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. THAT PEOPLE ARE ENTERING-- CARS ARE ENTERING THOSE ROUND-ABOUTS FROM 116TH TO MAIN STREET AT A FAST CLIP. WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS ON THEIR BIKES TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE STREET TO CVS AND PUCCINI'S AND THINGS. I UNDERSTAND HOW WE HAVE ROUND-ABOUTS WITH RAISED CROSSINGS KIND OF IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. CARS AREN'T QUITE PICKING UP THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPEED WHEN THEY ARE DRIVING.

SO THAT IS A BIG TALKING POINT AS WELL.

IN THE WEST DISTRICT. >> GO AHEAD.

DO OFF COMMENT ON THAT? >> I KNOW THAT THE MAIN STREET AND TOWN ROAD, WE HAVE DONE SPEED STUDIES TO TRACK INSIDE THE ROUND-ABOUT. WE HAVE DONE SOME RAPID-FLASHING BEACONS KIND OF ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROUND-ABOUT.

NOT AT HE ROUND-ABOUT BUT EITHER SIDE.

WE CAN REEVALUATE THAT. >> OKAY.

COUNCILOR HANNON? >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

LY JUMP ON THE BAND WAGON HERE. I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS. WE HAVE BEEN CERTAINLY FORTUNATE. WE CAN'T COUNT ON THAT.

WE NEED TO BE AHEAD OF SOMETHING I PUSHED FOR AND WE EMBEDDED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. TO EVENTUALLY DO A VISION ZERO STRATEGIC PLAN WHICH DOESN'T LOOK AT THIS CYCLE.

THE CYCLE LOOKS AT IT OVER TEN YEARS.

AND THE CORE FOCUS FOR VISION ZERO IS SORT OF LIKE AN AVI AVIATION. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES.

SYSTEMS SHOULD NOT. SO SYSTEM OF US-- ALL OF US HAVE SEEN RECENT EMAILS. I AGREE, JEFF, THERE IS MORE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC GOING ACROSS RANGELINE WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. THAT NEEDS TO BE RAISED.

THE EMAIL THAT WE RECENTLY GOT THAT HAS COME UP BEFORE AND I

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THINK MAYOR, YOU SUGGESTED ENFORCING SPEED LIMITS AT ROUND-ABOUTS WHICH WHEN WE HAVE TALKED TO THE POLICE, IT IS HARD TO SET UP A RADAR WHEN PEOPLE ARE ON A CURVE.

AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON SMOKY ROW, WHEN THE POLICE ARE THERE, THEY REALLY SLOW DOWN. WHEN THEY ARE NOT, THEY DON'T.

DESIGN THE SYSTEM SO THEY CAN'T SPEED.

THAT IS THE IDEA. THE ONE THING WE HAVE DONE TO OUR CREDIT, IS PUTTING AN ANGLE AS YOU COME INTO THAT ROUND-ABOUT. WE HAD TO REDO THE ONES ON HAZELDALE. THAT CERTAINLY SLOWS DOWN

TRAFFIC. >> YOU DON'T OBEY THAT, YOU CRASH. THE RAISED WALKWAYS ARE HUGE FOR. THAT PEOPLE BASICALLY GET PUNISHED IF THEY DON'T SLOW DOWN.

THERE MAY BE SOME OVER AND UNDER BASED ON THE PERMITTED SPEED LIMIT. I THINK WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE THAT MORE. I DEFINITELY THINK WE SHOULD RETROFIT THE ONES THERE, AND WE SHOULD DO THAT INSIDE OF THE URBAN CORE. MONITOR IT AS WELL.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. AGAIN,LY BANG MY DRUM AND SAY YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER.

AND IT WOULD PASS OVER A VARIETY OF ADMINISTRATIONS IF WE ACTUALLY PUT THAT WORK TOGETHER TO DO A STRATEGIC PLAN OR VISION ZERO. THE LAST THING I WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT ROUND-ABOUTS, AND THE OTHER LESSON LEARNED THAT WE SHOULD ADOPT IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THESE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE ROUND-ABOUTS.

ESPECIALLY IN DOUBLE ROUND-ABOUTS.

IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO STOP FOR A PEDESTRIAN, THEY ACTUALLY CAN GET CLIPPED FROM THE BACK END. BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CLOSE TO THAT ROUND-ABOUT. AT LEAST IN THE FUTURE, LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY SETTING THOSE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS A BIT FURTHER AWAY. IT IS NOT A PROBLEM COMING INTO A ROUND-ABOUT TO STOP FOR A PEDESTRIAN.

EXITING A ROUND-ABOUT, AS YOU KNOW, CAN BE PROBLEMATIC.

AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO LEARN THOSE LESSONS. BUT BACK TO SORT OF MY TALKING POINT IS DESIGNING THE SYSTEM REMARKS THEY ARE THAN RELYING ON DRIVERS TO ALWAYS DO THE RIGHT THING.

>> I AGREE. I AGREE WITH ALL YOUR COMMENTS BUT ONE. DR. HANNON.

I THINK AT 116TH AND RANGELINE, AND WEST CLAY, BECAUSE OF THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC CROSSING TO THE COMMERCIAL AREA, CVS AND SO ON, FROM THE CUSTOM PORTION OF THE VILLAGE, WE OUGHT TO HAVE RAISED CROSSWALKS THERE.

THAT IS A TWO-LANE ROAD. AT RANGELINE, WE OUGHT TO FIND THE MONEY TO DO THAT. WHICH WE CAN.

WE DO HAVE NATIONAL STABBEDDARDSD ON ROUND-- STANDARDS ON ROUND-ABOUTS WHICH DOT HAS PUT OUT.

BASED ON THE STANDARDS, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ONE CAR LENGTH BACK FROM THE YIELD BAR. I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET INTO A LOT OF TROUBLE IF WE DEVIATE FROM THOSE STANDARDS.

IT IS NOT LAW UNLESS WE ARE USING FEDERAL FUNDS.

THAT IS A STANDARD THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY NOW.

>> AGAIN, NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT I WILL.

THAT MAY BE THE MINIMUM STANDARD.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A MAXIMUM STANDARD.

THE IDEA IS IN BUSY ROUND-ABOUTS RIGHT UP HERE AT RANGELINE AND CITY CENTER, THERE IS SO MUCH VOLUME AT RUSH HOUR, A SINGLE CUEING SPOT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH. AGAIN, I WANT TO CONTINUE TO STAY IN FRONT OF THIS. THIS IS A PROGRAM WHERE WE CAN LEAD. AGAIN, IT IS JUST A SUGGESTION, AN OBSERVATION, AS I HAVE SEEN. THERE MAY NOT BE ENOUGH CUEING SPACE AT SOME OF THE ROUND-ABOUTS IF IT IS JUST A CAR LINE. AGAIN, I'M PERSONALLY CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING CLIPPED WHEN I STOP IN THOSE ROUND-ABOUTS.

I HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF NEAR-MISSES.

>> YES. I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT DATA AND SEE IF THAT HAPPENS. I MEAN, THE OTHER THING WE ARE TRYING TO BALANCE THERE IS THE FARTHER AWAY FROM THE ROUND-ABOUT YOU GET WITH THE CROSSWALK ON THE EXIT LEG, YOU ARE ALSO INCREASING VEHICLE SPEED.

SO THAT IS THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO KIND OF --

>> IT IS 20 FEET, JEREMY. IS 20 FEET GOING TO MAKE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE? I DON'T KNOW.

>> YEAH. I MEAN, ACCELERATION AS YOU ARE COMING OUT OF THE ROUND-ABOUT, THAT IS WHAT WE WILL LOOK AT.

>> WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING INTO

THAT. >> WHAT IS THE COST TO DO RAISED CROSSWALKS? THE THING THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION IS WE CUT THOSE. I DON'T KNOW IF BECAUSE OF COST.

BECAUSE OF BUDGET OR WHATEVER. IT CEASE LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE-- IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A DIALOGUE.

ESPECIALLY IF IT IS RANGELINE ROAD VERSUS SOME OTHER ROAD.

>> WE HAVE TO GO BACK NOW. >> PART OF-- DURING THAT TIME PERIOD WHEN WE WERE EVALUATING TRYING TO THINK WHEN.

RANGELINE OPENED FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.

THEN WE WERE STILL KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE PROBABLY THINK DIFFERENT NOW.

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AT THE TIME, WE WERE ESTIMATING THOSE TO BE OVER $200,000 TO INSTALL. I THINK WE HAVE RECENTLY STARTED-- I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME.

WE HAVE STARTED TO REEVALUATE THOSE TO SEE HOW MUCH THEY ACTUALRY ARE. THEY MAY BE $60,000 TO $80,000.

IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE ROUND-ABOUT, TOO.

WHEN WE ADDED THEM. WE WENT BACK AND ADDED THEM AT CARMEL DRIVE AND RANGELINE ROAD. THAT WAS A MODIFICATION.

THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN NEW CONSTRUCTION.

WHEN WE SAW HOW MUCH THOSE COST, THAT IS WHEN WE TOOK THEM OUT.

WE CAN REEVALUATE THAT. >> THREE YEARS AGO, WE WERE STILL JUST STARTING ON THIS IDEA OF ADDING RAISED-- REMEMBER, THE DESIGN TIME TO THE BUILD TIME IS USUALLY A COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND I THINK WE KNEW NOW WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE THERE, QUITE HONESTLY, JEREMY. WHAT WE KNOW NOW, CERTAINLY, AT THE CENTER CORRIDOR, WE WOULD DO THAT ON EVERY INTERSECTION.

WE WERE JUST STARTING ON THE RAISED CROSSWALKS AT THAT TIME.

WE CAN FIND THE MONEY TO GET THOSE IN, THOUGH.

THAT IS IMPORTANT, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.

>> SO JACOB, WOULD YOU MIND KEEPING A LITTLE LIST OF FOLLOW-UPS HERE? SO I HAVE HEARD TWO.

RIGHT NOW THE LIST OF AND PRESS RELEASE REGARDING THE BEACONS.

WHAT'S THE PLAN AND TIMELINE IF WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND THE MONEY FOR CROSSWALKS AT 116TH AND RANGELINE? PARDON ME? (INAUDIBLE).

>> VILLAGE WEST CLAY. YEAH.

WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION. WE DON'T LOSE IT.

COUNCILOR FINKAM? >> JEREMY IN, FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL, THERE IS FOUR CROSSWALKS, I THINK.

TWO THAT ARE RAISED. TWO ARE MID-BLOCK.

IS THAT HOW YOU WANTED IT DESIGNED? WAS THAT EVALUATED IN ENGINEERING?

>> THAT IS HOW WE-- WELL, A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

THE MAIN GOAL, WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THE EXISTING CURB LINE ON-- IN BETWEEN THE ROUND-ABOUTS MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE TREES THAT WERE IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SC SCHOOL.

THERE WERE SOME LEGACY TREES THERE.

AND THEN WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO, LIKE, COMPLETELY REDOING THE STORM NETWORK THROUGH THERE. AND SO THAT IS WHY THE TWO MID-BLOCKS WE LEFT AS-- AT GRADE.

I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED OF THE-- I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE FOUR RAISED CROSSWALKS THAT WILL-- TWO AT EACH ROUND-ABOUT.

THEN TWO MID-BLOCK. WE FELT LIKE THE AREA BETWEEN THE TWO ROUND-ABOUTS, WE WERE ALREADY NARROWING THE LANES DOWN TO TEN-FOOT LANES. AS COUNCILOR HANNON MENTIONED ABOUT THE SAFE SYSTEMS APPROACH, I HAVE KIND OF COINED THE TERM SPEED BY DESIGN, NOT BY SIGN. THAT IS WHAT WE TRIED DOING WITH NARROWING THE LANES, ADDING TREES, THE RAISED CROSSWALKS COMING INTO THAT AREA. AND THEN ALSO KNOWING THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GET TO RAISED CROSSWALKS COMING OUT.

WE HAVE FELT LIKE WE COULD BETTER CONTROL SPEED THROUGH

THERE. >> HAS IT WORKED?

DO WE KNOW YET? >> WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING SOME FOLLOW-UP. LAST WEEK, AS WE-- BECAUSE WE GAVE A PRESENTATION EARLIER THIS WEEK ON THAT PROJECT TO ITE, WE STARTED THINKING OF SOME THINGS. LIKE, OH, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO BACK AND CAPTURE SOME MORE DATA. THAT IS WHAT WE WERE WORKING ON

THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. >> I'M ASKING ABOUT THIS, BUT KUDOS ON THE AWARD YOU GOT FOR THAT AREA.

>> OH, THANK YOU. >> GREAT JOB FOR THE DESIGN.

BUT I JUST WAS-- IT IS NOTICEABLE.

RIGHT? WHEN YOU ARE DRIVING THROUGH THERE. IT IS ALMOST LIKE THOSE ARE LESSER CROSSINGS. MAYBE THAT IS ALSO BY DESIGN.

YOU WANT THEM CROSSING WITH THE CROSSWALK.

CROSSING GUARDS. THERE IS STILL A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

>> THOSE CROSSWALKS, THE LOCATION OF THEM, WE REALLY FLUSHED OUT WITH THE SCHOOL AND THE LIBRARY.

JUST FROM KIND OF THINKING OF-- OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF PEDESTRIANS FLOW LIKE WATER. WHICH WAY ARE THEY GOING TO GO? THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF CROSSWALK TRAFFIC FROM THE CIRCLE DRIVE OVER TO THE BUILDING ON THE SOUTH THERE AND THEN ALSO COMING FROM THE LIBRARY, KIND OF WE PUT THAT CROSSWALK, KIND OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS, LIKE, A DIRECT LINE FOR STUDENTS TO WALK FROM THE LIBRARY INTO THE NEAREST STORE

AND THE HIGH SCHOOL. >> THE EASTERN CROSSWALK ON MAIN STREET AT THE EASTERN ENTRANCE OF THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, THAT WAS PUT IN AS A TRAFFIC-CALMING DEVICE.

WE DIDN'T NEED IT FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL.

AT THAT SITE. SO THAT-- COPPING-- COMING OUT OF THERE, PEOPLE ARE DRIVING SLOWLY IF THEY ARE HEADED EAST.

HEADED WEST, INTO THE AREA, THEY ARE GENERALLY AT HIGHER SPEEDS.

THAT IS WHY I'M INSISTING ON PUTTING THE ROUND-ABOUT AT THE WEST END OF THE CAMPUS LINE TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC.

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ROUND-ABOUTS ARE OFTEN USED. THE SAME REASON WE DID IT YEARS AGO. THE ROUND-ABOUT WITH THE FOUNTAIN AT THE WEST END OF THE DESIGN DISTRICT.

IT WAS PUT IN AS A TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE.

TODAY MAYBE WE NEED IT. AT THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T REALLY PLEAD IT FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL. WE DID IT SO SLOW DOWN THE CARS BEFORE THEY HIT THE HEAVY PEDESTRIAN AREA.

>> COUNCILOR HANNON? >> ONE MORE THING WHILE WE ARE BANGING THE SAFETY DRUM. AGAIN, I LOVE THE-- WHAT IS IT? SPEED BY DESIGN. NOT BY SIGN.

AND IN FACT, I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME COUNTRIES IN EUROPE THAT DON'T HAVE SPEED SIGNS, BUT THEY DESIGN THE STREETS SO YOU CAN

ONLY GO AS FAST -- >> MIDTOWN PLAZA DOESN'T HAVE

ANY SIGNS. >> FOR SURE.

IT IS ONE SIGN THAT DOES WORK AND THERE IS EVIDENCE BEHIND THIS, THIS IS A DOT STUDY SAID THAT FLASHING SPEED INDICATORS DO SLOW DOWN SPEED RELIABLY. AND I KNOW THEY ARE PILOTING SPEED CAMERAS BUT KIND OF THE STEP BEFORE A SPEED CAMERA IS FLASHING SPEED INDICATORS. I THINK IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY THE BEST PRACTICE AND I WOULD LIKE IT LOOKED INTO AT LEAST IN THE SCHOOL ZONES. WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE BE FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE PREVIOUS COUNCILORS SAID, QUELL, PEOPLE IGNORE THEM. THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO PAY ATTENTION TO THEM. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET THE SPEEDERS. MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR SPEED IS. THAT FEEDBACK OF THE FLASHING INDICATOR DOES HELP. THE POLICE USE THOSE TEMPO TEMPORARILY, BUT I THINK PUTTING THOSE ON POSTS WITH SOLAR PANELS IN EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL ZONE IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK INTO AND POTENTIALLY CONSIDE AS YET ANOTHER SAFETY FILTER.

THAT IS OTHER PART OF SAFETY. WHETHER IT IS AVIATION OR PATIENT SAFETY OR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

IT IS A LAYERED APPROACH. RIGHT? IT IS NOT ONE THING. IT IS A SERIES OF THINGS.

AN ADDITIONAL LAYER WE MIGHT CONSIDER PUTTING INTO OUR SCHOOL ZONES IS FLASHING SPEED INDICATORS.

THEN AGAIN, TO SUE'S POINT, MEASURE WHETHER IT MAKES IT, IN EFFECT. BASED UPON THE STUDIES.

>> JEREMY, ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS SAY "CROSSWALKED" AND WE GOT SOME GOOD CONVERSATION UP HERE. I THINK EVERYBODY WOKE UP.

ALL RIGHT. CAN WE MOVE ON TO 211?

>> YES. SO THIS IS ANOTHER FUND THAT IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONE. WORKING WITH KIRK'S OFFICE TO KNOW WHAT AVAILABLE REVENUE WOULD BE THERE.

THIS REPRESENTS A 3% INCREASE IN THE OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES

LINE. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. 250.

>> 250 IS STORMWATER FUND. AGAIN, WE HAVE LOOKED AT BALANCING REVENUE, THE 20% THAT WE TRANSFER THE MVH FUND TO COVER THE COST OF MY DEPARTMENT, THE STREET DEPARTMENT.

AND THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE BONDS.

WHEN ALL THAT COMES OUT, WE END UP IN THE OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES LINE OF 17% INCREASE THIS YEAR.

THAT IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME REIMBURSEMENTS OFF OF-- THE PROJECT THAT WE DID IN THE NEWARK AREA, WE USED STORMWATER FUNDS TO DO THATJECT.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE CDBG REIMBURSEMENT UNTIL THE END OF LAST YEAR. RATHER THAN SEEK A SPECIAL APPROPRIATION TO REUSE THAT MONEY, WE JUST LET IT ROLL OVER TO THIS BUDGETING PROCESS AND THEN WE WILL HAVE IT AVAILABLE

TO USE NEXT YEAR. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER-- YES.

COUNCILOR FINKAM? >> JEREMY, REGARDING STORMWATER, WHEN WE STARTED THE UTILITY, WE HAD A HIT LIST.

A PRIORITIZED PROJECTS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT WE ARE CHASING WITH THESE DOLLARS. WHAT HAVE WE DONE IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS WITH THE STORMY DANIELSWATER? AND WHERE WE ARE HEADED. IT WILL HELP US GUIDE PEOPLE AS

WE TALK TO, YOU KNOW -- >> I CAN TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE.

I GET PHONE CALLS. FOR 20 YEARS, I GOT PHONE CALLS WHEN RAIN FELL ALL OVER THE CITY.

I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ONE IN SEVERAL YEARS.

THAT TELLS ME JEREMY GOT THE HIT LIST DONE.

>> CLEARLY, WE HAD SOME BIG PROBLEMS DONE.

WE HAD TONS OF CALLERS. I WAS CURIOUS WHERE WE ARE AT.

>> HUGE DIFFERENCE. IN CALLS.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CITY ENGINEER? OKAY.

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THANK YOU, JEREMY. APPRECIATE IT.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO STREET DEPARTMENT BUDGET NUMBER 2201.

GOOD MORNING, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING.

(INAUDIBLE). >> WE NEED YOUR MIC ON THERE.

>> SORRY. I'M PRETTY LOUD ANYWAY.

MATT HIGGINBOTHAM, STREET DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.

YOU WANT TO START ON MVH? I'LL HIGHLIGHT SOME CHANGES.

OVERALL, PERSONNEL SERVICES, WITH THE 3% COLA, WE DO HAVE OUR STEPS, LONGEVITY AND FOUR NEW HIRES BUDGETED IN THIS.

ONE THING OF NOTE IS THAT YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS ROUGHLY $152,000 THAT WAS PROJECTED IN THE CITY SHARE OF HEALTH INSURANCE THAT WE CUT OUT. THE WAY WE BUDGET TYPICALLY, NOT KNOWING WHAT EVERY EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO TAKE, WE USUALLY BUDGET FOR THE FULL FAMILY AND SPOUSE. WE DON'T UTILIZE ALL OF THAT, SO WE JUST LEFT THAT EVEN TO OFFSET SOME OF THAT.

I MIGHT ALSO SAY-- I KNOW I TALKED WITH COUNCILOR FINKAM AND WORRELL IN OUR MEETING. WE WERE LOOKING AT RESTRUCTURING AND REORGANIZING IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

WHEN THE SALARY ORDINANCE COMES FORWARD.

I WORKED PRETTY CLOSELY WITH LISA OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO DEVELOP SOME DIFFERENT POSITIONS THAT WILL FACILITATE THAT.

ALL OF THAT IS CALCULATED IN THIS INCREASE.

SO -- >> THE STREET DEPARTMENT ENTERED INTO CONTRACTS WITH THE MANAGEMENT FOLKS A YEAR AGO.

>> YES. >> AND THE DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN WE HADN'T LOOKED AT IF EFFICIENCY-- AT THE EFFICIENCY SIDE OF THE STREET DEPARTMENT. THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK TO DO. SOME IS CONTRACTED.

SOME DONE BY EMPLOYEES. THERE WAS A SET OF GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK. MATT HAS BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB IN GETTING THOSE IMPLEMENTED GRADUALLY.

THIS BUDGET WILL REFLECT SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL WHICH WILL MAKE THIS MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE OVER

TIME. >> YEAH.

THE MAIN THING IS MOVING FOR FORWARD, WE WILL BECOME MORE ORGANIZED AND BREAK INTO DIVISIONS, ESSENTIALLY.

THAT THEY RECOMMENDED. CURRENTLY, WE SET AT 62FTES.

THIS WOULD PUT US AT 66. WE HAVE RUN ABOUT 12-15 PART-TIME. THEN SEASONAL SUMMER HELP, WE WERE AT OUR HIGHEST THIS SUMMER. I THINK WE WERE STAFFING ABOUT 97-99 DURING THE SUMMER WITH OUR COLLEGE KIDS.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, WE TRIED TO BE PRETTY MINIMAL ON INCREASES.

MORE ALONG THE LINES OF JUST BALANCING AND ORGANIZING AND RESTRUCTURING SOME OF THE LINE ITEMS TO BETTER REFLECT OUR NEEDS. WE MOVE INTO SUPPLIES, AN INCREASE IN BOTTLED GAS. DIESEL FUEL, WE HAVE STARTED A PILOT, A PILOT PROGRAM INTERNALLY WITH RUNNING BIODIESEL. TO REFLECT THE WISHES OF THE COUNCIL'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. OR THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. THAT IS GOING WELL.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ENCUMBERED FUNDS THERE.

FOR THE SCHOOL. SO WE ARE JUST MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENT. THAT WAS A WASH.

BECAUSE WE TOOK IT OUT OF GAS. WE HAVE OVER DRP WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. OIL PRICES HAVE WENT UP.

FOR FLEET OIL. CEMENT INCREASE AND CONCRETE COSTS HAVE WENT UP. ASPHALT FOR PATCHING HAS WENT UP. REPAIR PARTS, DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE HAS WENT UP.

AN INCREASE IN ST FF STORM SEWER MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES FOR CASTINGS, CASTING COSTS HAVE WENT UP.

THE CLOSER FOUNDRY CLOSED. IT USED TO BE A LOT EASIER TO-- WE WILL HAVE TO START BUILDING SOME ATTIC STOCK BACK.

WE HAVE DEPLETED OURS. THE FOUNDRY THAT USED TO BE OVER OFF OF ZIONSVILLE ROAD HAS BEEN CLOSED DOWN.

WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. THOSE COSTS HAVE WENT UP.

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SAME WITH OTHER MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES.

AN INCREASE DUE TO INFLATION. POST AND HARDWARE.

OUR POST COSTS HAVE WENT UP. WE ENDED UP WITH A NET INCREASE OF 1% OR $9,600 AFTER ALL OF THOSE CHANGES IN TOTAL SUPPLIES.

MOVING TO SERVICES. TRASH COLLECTION INCREASED COST AND DEMAND. WE NOT ONLY-- OUR TYPICAL TRASH WE PICK UP ON THE STREETS, KEYSTONE 31, WE HAVE 160 TRASH CANS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WE EMPTY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.

WE HAVE AN INCREASED COST JUST FROM OUR NORMAL-- WE HAVE THREE DUMPSTERS AT OUR FACILITY THAT GET DUMPED THREE TIMES A WEEK.

IT IS JUST AN INCREASE THERE. I ADDED $250,000 TO ROAD MAINTENANCE AND PRESERVATION. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STARTED TO ATTACK SOME PREVENT TY MAINTENANCE THINGS.

ROAD REGIUFFRIDA MAY THE OR T THES, CRACK SALING.

CRACK SEALING. WE ARE PURSUING DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES TO PRESERVE AND LENGTHEN THE VIABLE LIFE OF OUR ROAD SURFACES. SO THAT WE HAVE INCREASED THAT AS WE ARE STARTING TO DEVELOP THAT OUT.

YOU ALSO SEE CONCRETE ROAD MAINTENANCE.

WE SPLIT THAT OUT INTO A NEW LINE ITEM.

HISTORICALLY, WE HAVE WORKED ON CONCRETE ROADS ON AN AS-NEEDED BASIS. I HAVE MET WITH COUNCILOR WORRELL LAST WEEK WITH A HOME OWNER.

WE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE WE RAN OUT OF FUNDING.

USUALLY, ALL THAT MONEY COMES OUT OF THE ROAD PAVING AND RESURFACING. WE RAN OUT OF FUNDING.

WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO AS MUCH AS WE LIKE TO.

SO WE ARE EARMARKING THIS, SEPARATING IT OUT.

SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE-- ROUGHLY, WE WENT BACK AND RAN THE NUMBERS. 2.7% OF THE ROAD NETWORK IS CONCRETE SO. THAT IS, LIKE, 37 MILES.

MILES OF CONCRETE ROAD. 2.63%.

IT IS CONCRETE ROAD. WE ARE LOOKING.

THAT WILL GIVE US A DEDICATED ALLOCATION TO ADDRESS THE CONCRETE ROADS. OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES, I INCREASED THAT BY $550,000. THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY.

WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO-- WE HAVE PLANS AND IDEAS AND THINGS WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON.

HOWEVER, SOME THINGS POP UP. WE DON'T KNOW.

THAT LINE GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY WHERE IF WE ARE LOOKING GOOD, AND UNDER BUDGET ON SOME OF THAT, WE COULD TAKE ON SOME OTHER THINGS. WE COULD PUT IT INTO PAVING.

WE COULD DO SOME OTHER ASPHALT PROJECTS.

THINGS LIKE THAT WITH IT. BUT LIKE THE RAISED CROSSWALKS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. IF JEREMY COMES UP WITH A PLAN AND WE NEED SOME FUNDING TO COME UP TO INSTITUTE THAT, IT WOULD COME OUT OF THERE. AUTO REPAIR MAINTENANCE IS UP $20,000. AGAIN, INCREASE IN COST.

UNIFORMS HAVE WENT UP A LITTLE BIT.

LAUNDRY SERVICES WENT UP. EXTERNAL INSTRUCTIONS, FEES, I INCREASED BY $15,000. WE ARE TRYING TO DO A BETTER EFFORT OF GETTING STAFF TO THE RIGHT TRAINING AND-- SO WE CAN DEVELOP AND BE FORWARD-THINKING AND AHEAD OF THE TRENDS.

IN TECHNOLOGY. SO OVERALL, TOTAL SERVICES INCREASED BY 9%. $947,500.

HARDWARE SHOWS AN AN INCREASE OF $2,600.

THAT REFLECTS REPLACING SOME COMPUTERS, PER I.T.'S RECOMMENDATION. WE OFFSET THAT IN GROUNDS AND MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT. THERE WAS A 0% INCREASE IN THE TOTAL CAPITAL. AND THEN OVER ALL, 6% INCREASE

IN THIS BUDGET. >> MENTIONING RE-PAVING, TOO.

WE ARE WORKING WITH A COALITION OF CITIES ACROSS THE STATE TO TRY TO CHANGE THE STATE FUNDING FOR THE GAS TAX.

IT IS CURRENTLY DISTRIBUTED ON THE NUMBER OF ROAD MILES.

CITIES, OF COURSE, WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT ON THE NUMBER OF LANE MILES. I DON'T KNOW.

THIS HAS BEEN TRIED BEFORE. AS THE STATE URBANIZES, THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, REVISITED. WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET THAT

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CHANGED. THAT WOULD BE-- WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? 507 ROAD MILES VERSUS 1,507 LANE MILES? IT IS A SQUARE FOOTAGE CALCULATION. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE WIDTH.

IT COULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT COMING UP IN THE FUTURE FOR THE

NEXT ADMINISTRATION. >> ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD. OKAY.

SO JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF WHEN I MET WITH YOU, WITH COUNCILOR FINKAM. YOU KNOW, OFF HANDLE ON THE BUDGET. AND THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING, I WAS PERSONALLY VERY IMPRESSED WITH.

$23 MILLION BUDGET. OFF LOT-- YOU ARE MANAGING A LOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT INSTEAD OF THE 6% CONCRETE WE THOUGHT IT WAS, IT IS NOW ONLY 2.6%. IN MY OPINION, THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. IN THE FUTURE.

BECAUSE FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN, IT IS A PROBLEM.

OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

COUNCILOR HANNON? >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

YOU KNOW, MATT, I'M SURE EVERYONE UP HERE APPRECIATES THE WORK OF THE STREET DEPARTMENT. AS WE SAY, THE EVERYTHING DEPARTMENT. A BIG BUDGET, A LOT TO MANAGE.

I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO EVERYBODY ON THE DAYIAS, SECOND PAGE. LINE 435021.

PATH REPAIR. THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO STAY AHEAD OF ON. WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE SUPPORTED MORE BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT IS IMPORTANT WE MAINTAIN: THAT I THINK WE ARE. KUDOS TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT.

MATT, BEFORE HE WAS THE COMMISSIONER, WAS ON THE ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION WORKING GROUP.

WHATEVER WE CALL IT. NOW I'M BLANKING, MATT.

WHO IS ON THERE? >> JAMES RUNDELL.

>> JAMES IS ON THERE. >> THEY ARE AT EVERY ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS TAKEN THEIR LESSONS LEARNED AND THEIR TECHNOLOGY THAT WE USE, WE USE STREET SCAN TO GO OUT AND OBJECTIVELY LOOK AT OUR STREETS.

AND SAY WHERE WE NEED TO REPAIR AND THEN BUDGET INTO IT AND KEEP TRACK OF IT. WE ARE NOW DOING THE SAME THING ON OUR PATH. WE ARE LOOKING AT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED. AND THEN USING THE LESSONS LEARNED. INCLUDING THINGS LIKE TOPCOAT SEALER RATHER THAN ACTUALLY REPLACING THEM.

AGAIN, I WANTED TO SHOUT OUT THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON NOT JUST THE STREETS BUT ON THE PATHWAYS AS WELL.

SOME OF THE PATHS ARE CONTROLLED BY PARKS.

PARKS IS HERE. WHAT YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND IS PROBABLY EVEN MORE THAN THE PATHWAYS ARE ACTUALLY CONTROLLED AND MANAGED BY THE STREETS. AND THEY ARE DOING A SUPER JOB ON THAT. WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT SHOUT-OUT. THE OTHER SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SHOUT-OUT OR FUTURE UPCOMING ATTRACTIONS, YOU MENTIONED THE CLIMATE ADVISORY PLAN. WE HAVEEL IS DIRECTORS WHO ARE STANDING MEMBERS OF THAT. WE CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE LOOPED INTO THAT. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF-- THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES THAT YOU HAVE, THERE IS LIKELY SOME IMPROVEMENTS.

AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE A ROCK STAR ON THAT COMMITTEE IS JOHN DUFFY WHO HAS SOME REALLY GOOD INSIGHTS THAT PERHAPS WATER CONSUMPTION-- IT IS A DOUBLE WHAMMY. IT IS ENERGY AS WELL AS WATER.

WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS THE ENTERPRISE.

SOME THAT INVOLVE, YOU KNOW, STREETS, PARKS, ET CETERA, TO REDUCE OUR WATER CONSUMPTION AND SIMULTANEOUSLY DECREASE SOME OF THE ENERGY DEMANDS AS WELL, TOO. AGAIN, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A PERSONAL SHOUT-OUT FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND THE WORK THAT MANY PEOPLE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER-- COUNCILOR FINK

DISBLAM. >> THIS IS HOMEWORK, MATT.

I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW THIS. WELL, IF 2.6% OF THE ROAD NETWORK IS CONCRETE, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT PERCENT NEEDS REPAIR.

AND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS ATTACKED BY THE $100,000.

HOW MUCH IS LEFT FOR FUTURE $NEAR-TERM FIXES.

>> ON THE CONCRETE? >> MM-HMM.

>> WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON GETTING THAT.

>> OKAY. I DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW RIGHT NOW. WHENEVER YOU GET IT.

IF IT TAKES YOU TWO TO FOUR WEEKS, THAT IS FINE.

KEEP ME ABREAST OF. THAT I JUST LIKE TO KNOW.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE FOCUS ON CONCRETE.

SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, IT IS CONCRETE IS REALLY DISINTEGRATING. THAT IS WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I'M GLAD, COUNCILOR, IT IS NOT A BIGGER NUMBER THAN WE THOUGHT.

>> AND IN TERMS OF CONSTITUENTS' MAIN ISSUE IS RIDABILITY.

THEY DON'T LIKE FEELING THE TRANSITION.

THAT IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN. THERE IS AREAS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE REPAIRS. WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN THEY FEEL THE-- THEY DON'T LIKE THAT. ACTUALLY, WE ARE REACHING OUT.

WE FOUND A COMPANY, AND WE ARE TRYING TO SET UP A DEMO FOR A

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ROAD-PLANNER THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY ELIMINATE A LOT OF THAT. WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.

TO TRY TO SEE IF-- AS WE DISCUSSED ON SITE, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR REPAIRED.

IT IS THE RIDABILITY THAT IS THE CONCERN AND THE FRUSTRATION.

>> SPEED BY DESIGN. (LAUGHTER).

>> HANG ON JUST A MINUTE. I'M GOING CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT. WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THE SOUTHBOUND LANE FOR MILES IS PERFECT.

THE NORTHBOUND LANE WITH ALL THOSE PANELS HAS BEEN REPAIRED OVER TIME, AND SOMETIMES, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE ADMITTING-- THAT PROBABLY WASN'T THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.

INSTEAD OF REPLACING A WHOLE PANEL, REPLACE 20% OF IT WHICH CREATES TWO MORE SEAMS. IT IS NOW CREATING THIS-- LIKE-- YOU KNOW? TO RIP IT OUT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE EITHER. SO I LIKE WHAT MATT AND HIS TEAM IS LOOKING AT. DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL WORK.

REALLY NINE SAYTIVE THOUGHT OUT THERE AS TO HOW WE FIX.

THAT AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANY MORE, ANY MORE HALF PANELS.

THE OTHER THING I LEARNED, EACH PANEL $1,000 TO REPLACE IT GO.

AHEAD. >> WHEN YOU DRIVE ON 116TH STREET, YOU GET. THAT THAT KIND OF NOISE YOU HEAR ON THE INTERSTATES. I WILL ALSO SAY INTERSTATES ARE CONCRETE BECAUSE IT LASTS LONGER.

BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, KICK CONCRETE TO THE CURB, LOOKING AT INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS, AS YOU SAID, TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT, MAKE IT QUIETER AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.

AGAIN, THERE IS A REASON MOST INTERSTATES ARE MADE OF CONCRETE. IT LASTS A LOT LONGER THAN BLACKTOP. IT IS A TRADEOFF, FOR SURE.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

ALL RIGHT. >> I WILL, COUNCILOR HANNON, JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, THE SCAN WE WERE WAITING ON THE DATA.

THE SCAN FOR THE PATHS HAS BEEN DONE.

WE HAVE MAINTAIN 127 MILES IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT.

THE SCAN HAS BEEN DONE. WE ARE WAITING TO GET THE DATA SENT BACK. THEN WE CAN PROCEED FORWARD ON IDENTIFYING THE MOST NEEDED AREAS TO START THE PROCESS.

>> OKAY. 1206.

I'M SORRY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> WHO SAID THAT? >> COUNCILOR AASEN?

>> OKAY. COUNCILOR AASEN?

>> MATT, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY, IS IT 1,400 LANE MILES CITYWIDE THAT THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR?

>> YES, SIR. IT IS 1,420.

>> OKAY. WHAT IS USUALLY HOW MANY YEARS IT WOULD TAKE PROBABLY-- SOME STREETS ARE DIFFERENT.

116TH WILL GET REPAVED QUICKER THAN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. ON AVERAGE, WHAT IS THE LIFE

SPAN YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE? >> WE HAVE SOME SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE 25-26 YEARS, AND THE ASPHALT IS STILL IN GOOD SHAPE.

YOU ARE GOING TO GET TRAN SCRERS TRANSERS HAVE CRACKS.

THEY WILL COME BACK. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE COMPLAINT IN SOME OF THOSE. OTHER MORE HEAVILY USED, POOR DRAINAGE. THE CITY HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF IDENTIFYING THOSE AND TURNING THEM INTO BOULEVARDS.

SO THOSE ARE SOME-- SOME OF THOSE ARE A SHORTER SPAN.

ON AVERAGE, I WOULD SAY WE ARE SHOOTING FOR 15-20 YEARS.

WOULD BE IDEAL. SOME OF THOSE AREAS, THIS LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF SPOTS THAT WE PAVED.

141TH STREET. WE HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES IN THE PAST. WE TRIED SOME DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES WITH SOME REJUVENATORS.

THINGS LIKE THAT. I WILL DO MY BEST TO TRY TO CREATE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION. I KNOW SOMETIMES RESIDENTS THINK EVERY TEN YEARS ROAD SHOULD BE REMAY HAVED.

WE ARE SEEMING TO GET MORE LIFE OUT OF THE ROADS THAN THAT.

>> MAYOR? >> OVER THE LAST THREE DECADES, ADAM, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INCREASE THE AVERAGE LONGEVITY BY QUITE A BIT. AS MATT SAID.

YOU KNOW, WE INHERITED A COUNTY ROAD GRID WHICH WAS LAID OUT IN THE-- ALL THESE OLD COUNTY RO ROADS.

AT ONE POINT, THEY WERE GRAVEL AND TAR AND SEAL.

AND MANY TIMES ASPHALT WAS LAID OVER IT.

THESE WERE NOT WELL-CONSTRUCTED ROADS.

REPLACE-- WE REPLACED THOSE WITH THE NEW BOULEVARD CROSS-SECTION.

THE LONGEVITY GOES WAY, WAY UP. WE ARE DOING IT RIGHT NOW.

THOSE ROADS ARE REBUILT. WE HAVE DONE QUITE A FEW MILES

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OVER THE LAST 20-SOMETHING YEARS.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO DO EVERY AREA LIKE THAT IN THE CITY. IT IS EXPENSIVE.

IT IS A GOOD INVESTMENT. AESTHETICALLY, AND IT FLOWS BETTER AND IT IS SAFER. WE DON'T W HAVE THE WATER INFILTRATION ISSUES. BECAUSE WE ARE DOING IT RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. THAT HAS ALLOWED US TO INCREASE STARTED AS MAYOR, THE AVERAGE WAS 10-12 YEARS FOR THE ROADS.

IN GENERAL, THOSE ARTERIALS, IN GENERAL, WHICH GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC, WERE NOT WELL-BUILT. WE MADE LOTS AND LOTS OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE NEXT GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT RUN THIS CITY TO CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING. WE HAVE A PLAN.

IT IS EXPENSIVE TO FUND. >> ONE OTHER QUESTION.

I'M ALWAYS ASKED BY RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO KNOW WHEN THEIR ROAD IS KIND OF COMING UP, WHAT THEIR NUMBER IS ON THE PACER SCALE.

I KNOW THE PACER RATING IS JUST ONE POINT OF DATA.

JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING HAS A CERTAIN PACER NUMBER DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE THE FIRST TO GET REPAVED.

IS THERE ANY TALK TO MAKING THAT LIKE A PUBLIC SEARCHABLE THING SO THE PUBLIC CAN LOOK UP THEIR ROAD AND SEE WHAT THE PACER

RATING IS? >> YEAH.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT INTERNALLY. TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT, THE DATA SET IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH THAT I THINK-- I THINK YOU WANT TO GIVE GOOD DATA TO THE PUBLIC. WE DON'T HAVE HISTORICALLY GOOD DATA SET TO BUILD OFF OF. IT IS WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING. THE GOAL OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO IS TO START TO DEVELOP A ONE, TWO, TO FIVE-YEAR PLAN SO WE CAN PUT THAT OUT. SO WE HAVE THAT LIST, SO PEOPLE CAN SEE, HEY, I'M ON THE LIST. AND YOU ARE FOUR OR FIVE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THINGS DON'T CHANGE WITH FUNDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T DISAGREE.

IT IS A GOAL THAT WE HAVE IN THE DEPARTMENT.

I THINK GOING FORWARD, AS WE CONTINUE TO COLLECT THE INFORMATION AND THE DATA, THEN WE CAN REALLY START TO HONE IN AND PUT THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT OUT PUBLIC-FACING. A LOT OF IT IS KIND OF VERY SEGMENTED AND WOULD BE HARD TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE EVERY SEGMENT IN THE SYSTEM IS RATED. HOWEVER, YOU TYPICALLY-- WE DON'T PAVE BY JUST A SEGMENT. RIGHT? YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO A 300-FOOT SECTION OF ROAD.

IF YOU ARE THERE, YOU ARE MOST LIKELY DOING THE WHOLE SECTION.

YOU ARE BALANCING AND WAITING EVERYTHING OUT.

YES. THAT IS THE GOAL.

TO GET TO. A MORE FORWARD-FACING, PUBLIC-FACING INTERFACE. TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT.

>> WELL, I HAVE TO GIVE YOU A BIG COMPLIMENT.

I GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THEIR ROAD AND MATT, YOU RESPOND REALLY WELL WITH IN-DEPTH EMAILS THAT I THINK THE PUBLIC REALLY APPRECIATES.

I THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.

>> OKAY. LET'S GO ON TO 1206.

THIS IS CITY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.

>> SO AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE GENERAL FUND, FLOFS INCREASE.

THE THERE WAS NO INCREASE. WE SHIFTED AROUND SOME FUNDS, INCREASED OUR CONTRACTED SERVICE LINE BY $30,000.

BUT OUR GROUNDS AND MAINTENANCE BY $15,000.

MOSTLY THE ONLY SHIFT WAS FROM BASICALLY REMOVING $20,000 FROM TOTAL SUPPLIES. AND INCREASED TOTAL SERVICES BY 20. IT WAS A WASH.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ON 1206? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. MATT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU TO YOUR ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE

CITY OF CARMEL? >> IN APRIL, IT WILL BE 20

YEARS. >> CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP, SPEAKING OF SERVICE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. CHIEF BARLOW.

>> SINCE THIS IS THE LAST ONE, THIS IS GOING TO BE EXCEPTIONALLY DIFFICULT. RIGHT?

>> YEAH, RIGHT. EXACTLY.

>> I HAVE ALREADY HAD A LAST ONE ONCE.

(LAUGHTER). >> IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH NO BREAK YET? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

WELCOME. WELCOME TO THE HOT SEAT.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

JIM BARLOW, CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT.

KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHT OF OUR BUDGET, AS SUBMITTED, IS A 9% INCREASE. OVER $2.9 MILLION.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT WILL BE IN PERSONAL SERVICES.

ABOUT $2.6 MILLION, OPERATIONAL BUDGET.

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$250,000 AND SOME CHANGE. THAT WOULD SUPPORT 153 OFFICERS WHICH WOULD BE FIVE ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS AND 30 CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES WHICH WOULD BE AN ADDITION OF TWO CIVILIAN EMPLOY EASY. THE TWO CIVILIANS W WOULD BE AN ADDITION BECAUSE OF THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR HAS BEEN GREAT TO US. WE ARE GETTING A BEAUTIFUL NEW FACILITY. WE ARE GOING FROM 25,000 SQUARE FEET TO 75,000 SQUARE FEET. WE WOULD ADD A CLEANING CREW TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING. THE DISCUSSIONS WITH JACOB AND THE JUDGE, A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WILL COME INTO OUR BUDGET.

THE CLEANING, ELECTRICITY, GAS, SECURITY WILL BE INCREASED.

FACILITY SECURITY SPECIALISTS AT THE ENTRANCE.

THAT HAS BEEN COMBINED INTO MY BUDGET.

SPECIFICALLY, PROBABLY SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF IT, THE INCREASE IN THE PERSONAL SERVICES. OBVIOUSLY, THE 3% INCREASE IN PAY. STEP AND GRADE.

5% INCREASE IN INSURANCE IS A BIG PART OF.

THAT A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC LINE ITEMS THAT WE INCREASED IS, AGAIN, THE PART-TIME WHICH IS A FACILITY SECURITY SPECIALIST.

WE WILL HAVE ONE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

LIKE WE HAVE AT THE ENTRANCE TO CITY HALL.

SOME OF THAT WILL COME FROM SECURITY FROM THE CLERK'S BUDGET. WE WILL ASSUME THAT.

OVER TIME, WE INCREASED THAT $100,000 WITH AN INCREASE IN SPECIAL EVENTS. AND ALSO SOME OVERTIME WITH FILLING POSITIONS WHEN WE ARE SHORT OFFICERS.

WE HAVE HAD A PRETTY GOOD SI SIZED-- WE HAVE BEEN OVER BUDGET IN THAT EVERY YEAR. WE THOUGHT WE BETTER START INCREASING THAT. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE MONEY WITHIN PERSONAL SERVICES THAT COVER THAT.

THE OTHER PROBABLY-- ELECTRICITY, GAS, AND BUILDING WILL BE KIND OF A GUESS. WE DON'T KNOW.

IN FACT, OUR ELECTRICITY, WE JUST THIS WEEK GOT OUR FIRST ELECTRIC BILL SINCE MARCH. DUKE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THEIR SERVICES AND ESTIMATING HOURS. WE HAVE CHANGED OVER WITH A NEW BUILDING. WE REALLY HAD NOTHING TO BASE ON WHAT SHOULD BE OUR ELECTRIC COST AND OUR GAS COST.

NOW WE WILL HAVE SOME GAS WITH SOME OF THE HEATING AND COOLING.

THIS IS A GUESS, BASICALLY. SO WE HAVE KEPT THAT THE SAME.

HOPEFULLY, WE WILL BE CLOSE. ANOTHER BIG ISSUE, A BIG INCREASE IN ISSUE. SAFETY ACCESSORIES.

WE ARE LOOKING AT BUYING RIFLE PLATES FOR ALL THE OFFICERS.

THEY ALL WEAR BODY ARMOR. SOFT BODY ARMOR.

THAT BODY HAR MORE WILL ONLY STOP HANDGUN LEVEL CARTRIDGES.

AS WE HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND INCLUDING HERE, WE ARE TAKING A LOT OF RIFLES OFF THE STREETS.

AND THESE PLATES CAN BE DEPLOYED QUICKLY IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.

AND CAN STOP RIFLE ROUNDS. THEY ARE EXPENSIVE.

CLOSE TO $200,000 TO OUTFIT ALL THE OFFICERS WITH THOSE.

AND THAT IS THE HIGHLIGHTS. I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. WHEN SPEAKING OF OVER TIME.

SO WHEN A FESTIVAL THAT IS NOT A CITY OF-- LIKE, SAY, THE CARMEL MARATHON, WHEN THEY NEED POLICE AND OTHER ASSISTANCE, I'M TOLD THAT-- MY QUESTION IS HOW DOES THE CITY GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT? DOES IT GO TO THE OFFICERS DIRECTLY? OR IS IT COMING THROUGH THE CITY

SOMEHOW? >> YES.

SO THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS, WE DO A LOT OF RUNS.

MARATHONS. THOSE OFFICERS ARE PAID DIRECTLY BY THE ORGANIZATION. THE ORGANIZATION PUTTING THAT ON. CITY-RUN EVENTS LIKE THE FOURTH OF JULY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE INCUR THE OVERTIME.

>> RIGHT. THAT IS OVERTIME BUDGET.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

COUNCILOR CAMPBELL? >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

SO COUNCILOR GREEN AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CHIEF ABOUT THE BUDGET. THAT WAS WHAT SURPRISED ME THE MOST. AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDED I WANTED TO NOTE THAT YOU HAVE HAD TO BE VERY FLEXIBLE BECAUSE SOME OF THE EVENTS AREN'T ANNUAL EVENTS LIKE PLADO-SCOPE, GREAT EVENT. WE NEED SECURITY.

KUDOS TO YOU. THAT IS DEFINITELY A NECESSARY

INCREASE. >> THANK YOU.

AND WE TRY TO-- I THINK AS WE HAVE ADDED MORE AND MORE OFFICERS. WE DO OVERTIME SLOTS FOR THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. EIN THE MIDTOWN AND DOWNTOWN AREA. JUST BECAUSE IT IS GREAT.

THERE IS A GREAT GATHERING. WE LIKE TO HAVE A PRESENCE THERE. SOMETIMES OUR STAFFING DOESN'T ALLOW. THAT SO WE CAN OFFER OPPORTUNITIES FOR OFFICERS TO CREATE THAT VISIBILITY TO MAKE

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SURE IT IS SAFE. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO ONE OTHER-- I DON'T KNOW. IT MIGHT BE IN A DIFFERENT FUND.

SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY FESTIVALS, WE TEND TO USE A POLICE CAR OR A DUMP TRUCK OR A SNOWPLOW AT THE ENTRANCES.

I HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME BARRICADES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO STOP A CAR YET CAN BE MOVED QUICKLY FOR AN AMBULANCE OR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL.

I WAS TOLD THAT WAS IN THE WO WORKS.

IS THERE-- IS THAT IN THIS BUDGET?

IS IT STILL IN THE WORKS? >> IT IS NOT IN MY BUDGET.

MATT AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT. THAT IT THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION. AS TIME GOES ON, THESE EVENTS HAVE HAD, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, WHERE VEHICLES HAVE BEEN USED TO ASSAULT PEOPLE.

>> RIGHT. >> I THINK IT IS MORE TECHNOLOGY GETTING OUT THERE. WHETHER IT IS SOMEBODY EVENTUALLY PUTTING IT IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT BUDGET OR THE POLICE BUDGET, IT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR EQUIPMENT

TO MAKE SURE WE ARE SAFE. >> OKAY.

DO YOU KNOW, MAYOR, ARE WE WORKING ON THAT?

>> I SHOULD MENTION, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE EVENTS TAKE PLACE AT THE GREEN. IN FRONT OF THE-- YOU NOTICE THE LOW LIMESTONE WALLS BUILT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

AFTER THE GERMANY HOLIDAY MARKET THAT SOMEBODY DROVE INTO.

PEOPLE WERE INJURED. AT THAT POINT, WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA ON A REGULAR BASIS FOR THIS OR THAT. WE PUT THOSE BARRIERS AND DESIGNED THEM. WE HAVE TEMPORARY BALLARDS IN THE ENTRANCE NOW WHICH CAN BE PULLED UP.

WE HAVE ON ORDER. ELECTRONIC ONES COMING.

>> YEAH. >> THOSE ARE HARD TO USE THOSE MANUAL ONES. THEY ARE DIFFICULT.

>> RIGHT. >> YOU SEE THEM AT THE WHITE HOUSE. YOU SEE THEM IN D.C. A LOT.

THEY CAN BE OPERATED ELECTRONICALLY.

THEY WOULD STOP A VEHICLE. TEMPORARY ONES FOR OTHER LOCATION IS A GOOD IDEA. WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT.

WE HAVE TO GET A COST AND FIGURE OUT WHERE.

>> YEAH. I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT IS.

I WAS ON AN EMAIL THAT WAS LOOKING AT THAT.

WE ARE BLOCKING BOTH ENDS OF MAIN STREET, FOR AN EXAMPLE.

WE DID HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE COULDN'T MOVE A DUMP TRUCK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW-- SO HAVING A DIFFERENT METHOD WOULD BE HELPFUL. THAT IS JUST MY OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IS TOP OF MIND FOR SOMEBODY.

>> AND MAYBE ON MAIN STREET, WE HAVE ENOUGH.

WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT TEMPORARY BALLARDS AGAIN.

ELECTRONIC BALLARDS THAT COULD BE BUILT IN.

BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY EVENTS ON MAIN STREET, TOO.

THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER SOLUTION FOR THAT.

>> WE WILL START TO LOOK AT COST.

>> OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I KNOW THERE IS AN EMAIL STRING FLOATING AROUND.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? LET'S GO TO USER FEES. 2010.

2 210. >> SO THESE ARE JUST FEE THAT IS WE COLLECT THAT WE CAN-- THAT GOES TO OUR TRAINING FUND.

AND IT IS REALLY-- WE BASE IT ON THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS.

$80,000. WE HAVE MORE THAN THAT IN THE ACCOUNT. $80,000 WE LIKE BUDGETING TO COVER THE ADDITIONAL TRAINING COST.

IT HELPS ANY MAINTENANCE COST WE MAY HAVE AT THE RANGE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? POLICE PENSION FUND.

801. >> SO THIS IS, AGAIN, FROM FOLKS FROM AN OLDER PENSION PLAN. THE 25 PLAN.

THE STATE REIMBURSES US FOR THIS WHEN WE MANAGE IT.

THE 77 FUND. THE STATE MANAGES FOR RETIREES.

FOR SOME REASON, THIS IS STILL DONE BY US.

REIMBURSED BY THE STATE. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND FINALLY, 911.

>> THIS IS THE BUDGET THAT SUPPORTS THE HAMILTON COUNTY DIRECT IT IS A TASK FORCE. BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY HAVE FROM SEIZURES AND FORFEITURES.

ANYTHING OUTSIDE THIS BUDGET IS SUPPORTED BY THE VARIOUS AGENCIES. AND NEEDS FOR THE OFFICERS.

THIS IS MONEY THAT THEY HAVE H HAD, BASICALLY IN, THEIR

FORFEITURE BANK ACCOUNT. >> OKAY.

GOTCHA. AND IT WAS REDUCED.

>> IT IS REDUCED BECAUSE THE RULES CHANGED.

THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY HAVE OPERATIONALLY IS REDUCED.

IT WILL PROBABLY BECOME MORE SUPPORT FROM THE AGENCIES

THEMSELVES. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHEEF BARLOW? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.

I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE DEPARTMENT OF LAW.

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MR. OVERLANDER. WELCOME.

>> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILORS. JOHN OVERLANDER, I'M HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH SOME HIGHLIGHTS. OUR BUDGET WENT UP ABOUT 2%.

WHICH IS $35,000 AND SOME CHANGE.

THE BIGGEST INCREASE IS IN PERSONAL SERVICES.

EVERYBODY IN THE DEPARTMENT IS GETTING THEIR STEP AND GRADE INCREASE, LONGEVITY INCREASE. THERE IS A BIT OF AN ODDITY IN THE FULL-TIME REGULAR LINE. THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN.

EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY IS GETTING THEIR INCREASES.

WE HAD BUDGETED FOR THE LITIGATION CHIEF POSITION.

BENJAMIN LAG IS DOING A FANTASTIC JOB OF MANAGING THE LITIGATION. WE ARE ABLE TO SAVE SOME MONEY THAT WAY. THE PART-TIME NUMBER IS GOING UP A BIT. THAT IS MAINLY BECAUSE OF ELLEN COLLINS, OUR DEFERRAL COORDINATOR, IT IS A PART-TIME POSITION. THE DEFERRAL PROGRAM HAS-- IT IS NOT USED AS MUCH ANYMORE. NOW THAT WE DON'T WRITE SPEEDING TICKETS AS O.V.S OR INFRACTIONS GO TO THE COUNTY.

THERE IS LESS WORK TO DO. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TRANSITION HER OVER TO OUR DEPARTMENT, GET PAID OUT OF THE LAW BUDGET.

THERE IS STILL LOTS TO DO FOR HER.

WITH THOSE DEFERRAL FUNDS, WE ARE VERY RESTRICTED AS TO HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY SPEND THOSE. WE WILL MOVE THAT INTO THE LAW DEPARTMENT BUDGET FOR ELLEN. WE HAD THE INCREASE IN INSURANCE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. GOING DOWN TO SERVICES, POSTAGE KEEPS GOING UP. WE HAVE UPPED THAT A LITTLE BIT.

AND YOU CAN SEE IN OUR CAPITAL CATEGORY.

THAT ACTUALLY HAS GONE DOWN. WE ARE ABLE TO REDUCE OUR SOFTWARE BUDGET. WE ARE GOING TO SWITCH SOFTWARE PROVIDERS. THE CASE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE WE HAVE JUST ISN'T QUITE WORKING OUT THE WAY WE HOPED IT WOULD.

ACTUALLY, WE MAY HAVE AN INTERNAL SOLUTION FOR.

THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT WORKING WITH I.T. TO SEE IF WE CAN FORMULATE SOMETHING THROUGH SHAREPOINT.

TO TAILOR A SOLUTION FOR US. THAT COULD SAVE POTENTIALLY A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE CITY. THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR.

THIS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> YOU HAVE ANY. >> OKAY.

QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL MOVE ON. YOUR DEMATERIAL FUND, PLEASE.

209. >> YES.

THIS IS ACTUALLY REDUCED. 16%.

WHICH IS ABOUT $19,000. AGAIN, AS I SAID, THESE FUNDS ARE RESTRICTED FUND. THEY CAN ONLY BE USED AND SPENT TOWARDS OUR ORDINANCE VIOLATION DEMATERIAL DEFERRAL PROGRAM.

SINCE I MANAGE THE PROGRAM, PART OF MY SALARY IS PAID OUT OF.

THAT THERE IS FUNDS IN THE FULL-TIME REGULAR.

THE PART-TIME IN THERE, AS I SAID, FOR THE REFERRAL COORDINATOR. THAT IS PAID OUT OF.

THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PAY FOR SOME SUPPLIES THAT ARE USED FOR THE DEFERRAL PROGRAM. THAT IS IN THERE AS WELL.

>> ANY QUESTIONS THERE? YOU ARE FINISHED.

>> THANK YOU. (LAUGHTER).

>> UNLESS YOU SAY "CROSSWALK," WE ARE GOOD.

>> NOT HERE. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO CITY COURT.

JUDGE POINDEXTER, PLEASE. >> THE LAST TIME WE GET TO DO

THIS TOGETHER. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

AS I RUN FOR JUDGE. >> RUN FOR JUDGE.

I'M BRIAN POINDEXTER. I'M EMPLOYED BY THE CITIZENS OF CARMEM AS THEIR JUNK WITH OFFICES AT-- AS THEIR JUDGE.

SOON TO BE MOVED TO SOUTH RANGELINE ROAD WHERE THE NEW POLICE AND COURT BUILDING WILL BE LOCATED.

THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AT FIRST GLANCE. YOUR EYEBROWS SHOULD PROBABLY BE RAISED. IT PROPOSES A 16% INCREASE, BUT THAT BEARS MORE THAN JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPLANATION.

A NUMBER OF THOSE ITEMS ARE INDICATED AS RELATED TO GRADEEL DRIVE. WE CURRENTLY PAY FOR ELECTRICITY, GAS, WATER, SEWER, CLEANING, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS AND RENT. I WAS ADVISED YESTERDAY THAT WE SENT THE LETTER TO THE LANDLORD TO INDICATE THAT THE CITY WOULD EXERCISE THE BUYOUT ON THE LEASE.

NOW, THESE ARE IN THE COURT'S BUDGET.

THAT HAD NOT BEEN DONE WHEN THE BUDGET WAS PREPARED.

THESE ARE IN THE BUDGET. THEY COULD CERTAINLY BE DISAPPROPRIATED. AND THEN APPROPRIATED OTHER PLACES SUCH AS THE ELECTRICITY COULD BE MOVED TO THE FUND FOR ELECTRICITY AT THE POLICE BUILDING.

THE MONEY FOR CLEANING COULD BE MOVED FOR CLEANING AT THE POLICE AND COURTS BUILDING. EACH OF THOSE APPROPRIATED CAN

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BE REAPPROPRIATED AS YOU DETERMINE TO BE FIT.

AND ANY FUNDS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY PERHAPS ON THE BUYOUT ON THE LEASE, SIMILARLY, COULD BE REALLOCATED.

>> THE EXECUTIVE OF THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO DEAPPROPRIATE ANY TIME, TOO. THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION COULD DO

THAT IF NECESSARY. >> YES.

THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF FLEXIBILITY.

I THINK THERE IS $149,000 THAT ARE TAGGED AS RELATED TO 41 GRADEEL DRIVE. AN ADIGSAL $1,000 NOT TAGGED WHICH IS FOR PHONE LINES. THAT MAKES IT FOR $150,000.

THAT COULD BE DEAPPROPRIATED BY THE COUNCIL OR THE EXECUTIVE NEXT YEAR. THERE IS ONE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.

YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT INCREASES FIRST.

YOU WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE MOVED THE INTERPRETER FUNDS FROM THE BUDGET TRADITIONALLY UNDER THE JUDICIAL SALARIES FEE.

THAT IS MONEY KEPT BY THE COURT TO FUND ITS OPERATIONS.

I HAVE DISCOVERED SINCE I BECAME THE JUDGE HERE IN 2009, THAT IS NEED FOR ADDITIONAL LANGUAGES SEEMS TO GO UP EACH AND EVERY YEAR. WE ARE A WONDERFUL COUNTRY.

WWE ARE AN IMMIGRANT COUNTRY. WE SEE NEW PEOPLE COMING TO THIS COUNTRY EVERY DAY. THE SERVICES FOR LANGUAGE HAVE EXPLODED. MOST RECENTLY, THE LARGEST UPTICK HAS BEEN IN THE NEED TO SUPPLY INTERPRETERS FOR HAI HAITIAN-CREOLE. WE ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO ECONOMIZE AND BEST USE OUR FUNDS.

THIS IS SPIRALING UP. I DON'T HAVE MUCH CONTROL OVER THAT. WE ARE GOING TO, IN AN ATTEMPT TO CONTROL COST, PROBABLY TWO DAYS A MONO, DO DOCKETS SIMPLY FOR THOSE THAT REQUIRE AN INTERPRETER IN WHATEVER LANGUAGE. THAT WAY, WHEN WE ARE PAYING A THREE-HOUR MINIMUM FOR SOME OF THESE SERVICES, IT IS A MINIMUM OF THREE HOURS. WE HOPE TO HAVE A FULL DOCKET OF INDIVIDUAL THAT IS NEED THAT PARTICULAR LANGUAGE.

AND SO WE WOULD COMBINE THE VARIOUS LANGUAGES ON TO THE SAME DAY, HAVE THE INTERPRETERS COME THE SAME DAY AND HOPEFULLY, GET

SOME ECONOMIES O'. >> SCALE IN THAT REGARD.

NEVER SAY NEVER. THIS WAS SURPRISING.

I HAVE BEEN A LAWYER SINCE 1990. AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE PAST 24 MONTHS. IN TERMS OF THE NEED FOR INTERPRETERS. YOU CAN TURN ON THE TELEVISION, AND IF THERE ARE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SEEKING TO COME INTO THE COUNTRY ON THAT DATE, BATCH WHATEVER NEWS STATION YOU LIKE.

WITHIN 45 DAYS, I NEED THAT LANGUAGE.

45-60 DAYS. SO THAT EXPLAINS THE PRIMARY CHANGES THERE AND THE POTENTIAL CHANGES UNDER WHAT WE CALL 1301.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, JUDGE. YES.

DR. HANNON? >> FE MAYBE A COMMENT QUICK.

I THINK THAT IS INNOVATIVE TO TRY TO GROUP SAME-LANGUAGE-- I KNOW HEALTH SYSTEMS FACE THE SAME THING.

THEY HAVE THE SAME LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO PROVIDE INTERPRETERS. WHAT HEALTH SYSTEMS HAVE DONE IS USE TELEINTERPRETTERS. THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU ARE

ALREADY USING. >> WE ARE.

>> TO FILL IN THE GAPS. >> HAMILTON COUNTY AND THE STATE OF INDIANA, WE WERE INNOVATIVE. WE WERE USUALLY THE TEST BED FOR ANYTHING NEW OR DIFFERENT. WE HAVE BEEN USING ON THE SPOT SWERPTERS. ANY LANGUAGE RECOGNIZED BY THE UNITED NATIONS. SOMETIMES WITH A WAIT.

I CAN GET AN INTERPRETST ON THE PHONE AT THE BENCH IN ORDER TO HANDLE MINOR MATTERS THERE. WE ARE RIERLD FOR ANY SUBSTANTIVE HEARINGS, AND THE MAYOR KNOWS THIS, TO HAVE AN INTERPRETER PRESENT IN THE COURTROOM.

SUBSTANTIVE HEARINGS WOULD BE A GUILTY PLEA OR INITIAL HEARING.

YES, WE HAVE HAD THAT ABILITY FOR QUITE A WHILE.

IT HAS BEEN VERY EFFICIENT. WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT WHEN WE DO THE PHONE CALL. OKAY? THAT IS CARRIED BY THE STATE SUPREME COURT UNDER THEIR BUDGET

IN SOME FASHION. >> GOOD QUESTION.

>> OKAY. WE CAN MOVE ON, THEN, TO-- I'M SORRY. 502.

>> ALL RIGHT. 502.

YEAH. I HAVE TO FIND IT DOWN HERE.

I'LL JUST WORK OFF OF YOURS. THE RECORDS PERPETUATION CHANGES. WE WERE ALLOCATING A PORTION OF THAT BUDGET TOWARD ELECTRICITY. THIS IS THE FUND THAT IS LIMITED TO THOSE ITEMS, MATERIALS THAT ARE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO PRODUCE, REPRODUCE, KEEP, OR RECREATE A RECORD.

BASICALLY, ALL OF YOUR COMPUTERS AND HARDWARE AND SOFTWAE SYSTEMS. THE PROPRIETARY SYSTEMS ARE PROVIDED BY THE STATE OF INDIANA.

THEY ALSO PROVIDE-- YESTERDAY THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT CYBERSECURITY. THAT IS PROVIDED TO US.

NOT ONLY BY THE CITY OF CARMEL BUT THE REALLY HARD-CORE DATA THAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT IS PROTECTED BY THE STATE OF INDIANA AND OUR INTERFACES WITH THEM ARE PROTECTED.

THERE HAVE TO BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PERMISSIONS GIVEN BEFORE PEOPLE CAN LOG IN. I HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE THAT CAN LOG IN AND GRANT THEM THE PERMISSION.

JACOB NOW HAS THAT AUTHORITY. I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE MOVE

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TO 481 GRADEEL DRIVE THIS YEAR, THE CAMERA SYSTEM THAT MR. RENICK TALKED ABOUT AT LENGTH YESTERDAY AND ALL THE CAMERA QUESTIONS YOU ASKED, IT IS A GREAT SYSTEM, BUT IT MADE ALL OF OUR COMPUTERS OBSOLETE. AND ONE FELL SWOOP.

THE SYSTEM WOULD NOT INTEGRATE WITH OUR COMPUTERS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE GRAPHICS CARDS. SO THAT OBSOLETED THREE OF THE COMPUTERS IN JACOB'S AREA WHERE HE HAS EMPLOYEES THAT UPDATE COURT RECORDS. WE PURCHASED-- WE JUST ORDERED WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF I.T., ALL NEW COMPUTERS.

THAT CAME OUT OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET-- THESE ARE NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

WE ARE STILL CAREFUL WITH THEM. WHEN IT MADE OUR COMPUTERS OBSOLETE, WE PURCHASED ALL OF THE THINGS.

THEY WILL BE INSTALLED BRAND NEW INTO THE NEW BUILDING ON DECEMBER 1 OR DECEMBER 4. THESE ARE NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

THEY ARE DOLLARS LEFT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL BY THE STATE OF INDIANA. THEY COME FROM COURT COSTS.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. 505?

>> LET'S WORK OFF OF YOURS. >> ALL RIGHT.

THE PUBLIC DEFENDER FUND IS-- IT SHOWS THAT IT REMAINS UNCHANGED.

THAT FILLS SLOWLY. THE STATE OF INDIANA ALLOWS COURTS TO CHARGE A ONE-TIME $50 TO AN INDIVIDUAL CHARGED WITH A MISDEMEANOR. THEN THAT GOES TOWARD THE PUBLIC DEFENDER FUND. THAT IS ONLY AFTER THE JUDGE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THAT IS ME, DECIDES THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. I EXAMINE EVERYBODY INDIV INDIVIDUALLY. IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT CONTRIBUTION, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO SO.

WHEN THE FUNDS ACCUMULATE SUFFICIENT, THEN WE ACTUALLY PAY FIRST OUT OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER FUND, AND THEN WHEN IT RUNS DRY, WE GO TO THE APPROPRIATED FUNDS IN 1301.

BY THE WAY, OUR PUBLIC DEFENDER IS STILL A RETIRED JUDGE.

THIS COMMUNITY STANDS HIGH ABOVE OTHERS IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF PUBLIC DEFENDER ASSISTANCE THAT IS GIVEN.

THAT IS A KUDOS TO OUR PUBLIC DEFENDER.

>> GREAT. OKAY.

YOUR LAST ONE. 506.

>> THERE IS A BIT OF A MISNOMER. I SAY THAT EVERY YEAR.

I DON'T GET PAID OUT OF THIS. PART OF THE COURT COSTS THAT ARE COLLECTED AT THE COUNTY AND STATE LEVEL, A LARGE PORTION OF THOSE GENERALLY DO GO TO THE STATE AND THOSE FUNDS DO GO TOWARD PAYING THE SALARIES OF JUDGES AND OTHERS.

WE ARE ALLOWED TO RETAIN, AND THIS FUND WAS ESTABLISHED AFTER I GOT HERE, A CERTAIN AMOUNT-- THE CITY'S PORTION OF THOSE MONEYS WHICH FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF YEARS, PRE-COVID, PAID FOR ALMOST ALL OF OUR COST. THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE ECONOMY. IN 2020, 2021 AND FOLLOWING.

THIS FUND REFILLS ITSELF LESS QUICKLY.

THE UPTICK IS BACK. SO IF YOU LOOK, WE HAVE GENERALLY PAID FOR POSTAGE, TRAVEL, TRAINING.

OUR INSURANCE, EQUIPMENT, OTHER REPAIRS.

IT IS DOWN A LITTLE BIT. BECAUSE WE DID MOVE THE INTERPRETER SERVICES OUT OF THIS BUDGET.

AND INCREASED THEM AND MOVED THEM OVER TO THE CITY BUDGET.

THERE IS A $5,000 OTHER PROFESSIONAL FEE IN HERE SOMEWHERE. THAT IS PROBABLY HOW WE WILL END UP FINISHING THE YEAR OUT. THAT WE HAD THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT. TO COVER ANY OVERRUNS.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CITY COURT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JUDGE. UP NEXT, WILL BE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE WILL TAKE A QUICK, QUICK

BREAK. >> THANK YOU.

>> FOR THE COUNCIL, WE WILL ARRANGE A MEETING FOR Y'ALL TO COME OVER AND SEE THE NEW BUILDING.

WE CAN GO OFF.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE ARE READY TO GO WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. ARE WE BACK?

WE ARE GOOD NOW. >> OH, YES.

CHIEF, I GAVE DIRECTION, AS WE STARTED, THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOU TO COVER ALL OF THE CHANGES. NOT EACH LINE ITEM.

>> WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. >> GOOD.

>> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TO.

TALK ABOUT THE 2024 CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.

IN LOOKING AT BUDGET 1120, THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, THIS BUDGET REPRESENTS A 6% INCREASE OR $1.897 MILLION FROM THE 2023 BUDGET. HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE CHANGES IN THE PERSONAL SERVICES. AN INCREASE OF 6% FROM THE 2023 BUDGET. THE FULL-TIME LINE ITEM INCREASED BY 5%. THIS INCLUDES THE 3% COST OF LIVING INCREASES, REPLACEMENT FIREFIGHTERS.

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ONE NOTE, WE ARE, WHEN WE HIRE FOR OUR 2024 CLASS, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE GOING TO RETIRE PRIOR TO THE GRADUATION. SO WE ARE TRYING TO NOT START A RECRUIT CLASS OR FINISH OUR RECRUIT CLASS WITH A DEFICIT OF FIREFIGHTERS. THE PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE LEAVING LAST YEAR, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE MAYOR APPROVED US BEING ABLE TO HIRE A FEW MORE PEOPLE.

THIS BUDGET REPRESENTS THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. IN THIS BUDGET, THERE IS ALSO TWO E.M.S. DUTY OFFICERS. THREE FIREFIGHTERS BEING PROMOTED. TO MASTER FIREFIGHTER.

AND FOR THIS COUNCIL, TO KNOW THAT THE SECOND WPE, THE WORK PERFORMANCE EVALUATION THAT WAS NEGOTIATED WITH LOCAL 4444 FIREFIGHTERS, THAT THAT IS FUNDED IN THIS BUDGET.

OVER TIME, DID SEE A SLIGHT INCREASE.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IN THAT LINE ITEM, 41-120-00, WE DID INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL $20,000. WE ARE ANTICIPATING MORE OVERTIME NEXT YEAR FOR THE ONE-TIME EVENT OF THE ECLIPSE.

THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN APRIL.

WE ARE WATCHING THIS VERY CLOSELY.

WE ARE WORKING WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE OUR COMMUNITY IS FULLY AWARE OF WHAT WE EXPECT TO HAPPEN ON THAT DAY.

I'M LOOKING AT SOME FACES HERE. HAMILTON COUNTY IS RIGHT IN THE PATH. WHICH WILL BE REALLY INTERESTING AND COOL FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE DO EXPECT A BIG INFLUX OF PEOPLE COMING TO HAMILTON COUNTY AND SPECIFICALLY, CARMEL.

WE ARE GOING TO STAFF-- WE WILL STAFF UP ON THAT DAY.

I BELIEVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS PLANNING ON DOING THAT AS WELL. WE ARE WORKING WITH HAMILTON COUNTY TO PREPARE FOR THAT AND MAKE SURE WE GET THE MESSAGE OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY. THAT IT IS GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT ON THAT DAY. IT WILL BE DARK.

YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, MAYOR. UNIFORM PURSE SAW-- SHOWS AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 7%. THAT IS BASED ON 21% FOR THE PENSION, AND 25 YEARS LONGEVITY. THAT IS A CHANGE THAT HAS HAPPENED JUST RECENTLY. HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS ON THAT.

IF NOT,LY MOVE INTO OPERATIONS. THERE IS TWO OTHER ITEMS THAT I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO UNDER MEDICAL EXAMS. 43 #-407-01.

WE ARE ADDING RECALL THE SOUNDS FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

THIS ULTRASOUND LOOKS AT THY THYROID, LIVER, BLADDER, AND IT IS LOOKING SPECIFICALLY FOR TRACES OF CANCER FOR EARLY DETECTION. WE ARE THE FIRST PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF INDIANA TO DO THIS. WE USED SOME ENCUMBERED FUNDS FROM LAST YEAR TO COVER IT FOR THE FIRST TESTING THAT TOOK PLACE IN 202. WE DID FIND ONE OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS THAT HAD CANCER. THERE IS ZERO CHANCE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED HAD WE NOT DONE THIS TEST.

WE ARE PUTTING IN THE BUDGET AN INCREASE OF $28,000.

WE WILL DO THIS EVERY YEAR. WE WILL DO HALF OF THE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A BASE LINE ON EVERYONE RIGHT NOW. MOVING FORWARD, WE WILL DO HALF THE DEPARTMENT. EVEN YEARS.

THEN HALF THE DEPARTMENT IN ODD YEARS.

OUR TESTING HAS WORKED. WE WERE ABLE TO PROACTIVELY CATCH THAT. AND THE FIREFIGHTER IS MAKING A FULL RECOVERY. MEDICAL FEES.

43-407 SHOWS AN INCREASE OF THE CONTRACTUAL PROGRAM FOR THE ATHLETE PROGRAM. A $10,000 INCREASE.

AUTO REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE. 43-510-00.

UPGRADING THE TACTICAL SERVICES TRUCK.

THE TSU. WE ARE ALSO REPAIRING AND PAINTING ONE OF OUR APPARATUS. WE ARE TRYING TO INVEST IN A CURRENT APPARATUS TO KEEP IT RUN-READY.

RATHER THAN, AS YOU ALL KNOW, APPARATUS COSTS ARE GOING UP EXPONENTIALLY. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE USING TAXPAYER MONEY WISELY AND INVESTING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESERVE APPARATUS IS READY TO GO.

THAT IS WHAT THAT LINE ITEM IS. THE LAST ITEM I WANT TO POINT OUT IS SPECIAL PROJECTS. 43-590-00.

THERE IS A $35,000 INCREASE IN THIS LINE ITEM.

IN 2025, THE CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL CELEBRATE ITS 125TH ANNIVERSARY OF SERVING THIS COMMUNITY.

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AND IN DOING SO, WE WILL DO SOME SPECIAL PROJECTS.

I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RADAR.

THAT THAT INCREASE IS IN THIS WE WILL START IN LATE 2024.

WE WILL OBVIOUSLY CELEBRATE IT IN 2025.

HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BUDGET.

>> OKAY. YES.

DR. HANNON? >> ONE QUICK ONE.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT SHOWS UP HERE.

CHIEF BARLOW WAS TALKING ABOUT UPGRADING SOME OF THE BALLISTIC GEAR THEY WEAR. I KNOW WE HAVE A PARAMEDIC THAT IS EMBEDDED WITH THE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM TO WHICH IS A BEST PRACTICE FOR, LIKE, A MASS SHOOTING EVENT.

DID THEY HAVE ALL THE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED, THE PARAMEDICS THAT

DEPLOY WITH THOSE TEAMS? >> THEY DO.

A LITTLE BACKGROUND HERE. I'LL KEEP IT SHORT.

EVERY RIDING POSITION ON THE CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A BALLISTIC VEST AND BALLISTIC HELMET.

IT DOES SAY "FIRE EMS ON IT. IF OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE PUT INTO THAT POSITION, THEY HAVE THE SAFETY EQUIPMENT.

SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PARAMEDIC THAT IS RESPOND WITH WHETHER IT IS THE SWAT TEAM OR CRISIS INTERVENTION, THEY HAVE THE SAME GRADE VEST THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS DO.

AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS THAT THERE IS A SPECIAL PLATE THAT GOES INTO THE CHEST. AND SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RESPONDING IN THOSE INSTANCES HAVE SPECIAL EQUIPMENT.

EVERY RIDING POSITION ON THE CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE A BALLISTIC HELMET AND BALLISTIC VEST.

YES, THAT IS COVERED IN OUR BUDGET.

THOSE DO HAVE A FIVE-YEAR LIFE CYCLE.

WE ARE WATCHING THOSE. WE ARE PLANNING AHELP AND

BUDGETING FOR THOSE THINGS. >> YEAH.

THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EACH OF THE FIREFIGHTERS HAVING TWO PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND ROTATING THAT WITH A LIFE CYCLE ON THAT.

WE INVEFSED IN NEW CLEANING EQUIPMENT AS WELL.

HOPEFULLY, TO PREVENT THOSE CANCERS THAT YOU SAID WE ARE SCREENING FOR. AGAIN, I APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO,

CHIEF, IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. >> BUDGET 102.

THE AMBULANCE FUND. THERE IS REALLY JUST A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT.

THIS BUDGET SAW A 5% INCREASE OR $78,800 FROM THE 2023 BUDGET.

TWO LINE ITEMS. E.M.S. EQUIPMENT, LINE ITEM 44-670-06. AN INCREASE OF $73,000.

WE ARE PURCHASING SOME ELECTRIC STAIR-CHAIRS.

THE AVERAGE-- THIS IS REALLY TO PREVENT BACK INJURIES FOR FIREFIGHTERS. GOING UP AND DOWN THE STAIRS, LIFTING A PATIENT IS A BIG DEAL. THE AVERAGE COST OF A BACK INJURY IS APPROXIMATELY $50,000. WE BELIEVE THAT BUYING THESE STAIR CHAIRS, THESE ELECTRIC STAIR CHAIRS SO WE ARE NOT PHYSICALLY CARRYING UP AND DOWN THE STAIRS IS A WORTHY INVESTMENT. SO THAT IS THE BIG INCREASE IN E.M.S. EQUIPMENT. IN LINE ITEM 44-670-99, OTHER EQUIPMENT. WE ARE PURCHASING SOME FIRE ATTACK TRAINING PANELS. AND THE TACTICAL EQUIPMENT THAT CHIEF-- I APOLOGIZE. THAT COUNCILOR HANNON HAD POINTED OUT ON THE TACTICAL EQUIPMENT.

THAT INCREASE IS ALSO IN THE LINE ITEM.

AND THEN THERE IS ALSO NEW TURNOUT GEAR THAT IS BEING PURCHASED. THE TURNOUT GEAR, EVERY FIREFIGHTERS HAS TWO SETS. WE DO A FIVE-YEAR LIFE CYCLE.

FRONT LINE, FIVE-YEAR RESERVE. THE CURRENT GEAR T T THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE WEARING RIGHT NOW, NEXT YEAR, WHEN THIS GEAR COMES IN IN JANUARY, EARLY 2024, THE CURRENT GEAR WE ARE WEARING NOW WILL BECOME THE BACKUP FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

THAT FRONT LINE, NEW GEAR IS WHAT THEY WILL WEAR.

THAT LINE ITEM HAD $126,000 INCREASE.

I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS ON THE AMBULANCE BUDGET.

>> I DON'T SEE ANY. GO AHEAD UNLESS-- GO TO 802.

>> FIRE PENSION FUND. 2% INCREASE OR APPROXIMATELY $11,000. THIS PENSION FUND PAYS PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE 1937 PENSION. THAT PENSION FUND IS ACTUALLY% PAID DIRECTLY FROM THE CITY OF CARMEL TO THE PENSION OTHERS AND

THE WIDOWS ALSO. >> REIMBURSEMENT BY THE STATE.

>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT.

CHIEF, I SEE NO ONE INDICATING. YOU ARE FINISHED.

>> THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.

>> HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND. THANK YOU.

>> I DON'T SEE UTILITIES ON MY LIST.

>> COUNCILOR WORRELL? >> ADAM?

>> UTILITIES WAS ON MY LIST WITH ME AND TERESA.

AND JOHN DUFFY COULD EXPLAIN IT MORE.

THEY WILL BE PRESENTING THEIR BUDGET AT A LATER DATE.

MAYBE THE MAYOR CAN KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY.

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>> OKAY. YEAH.

THAT IS NOT RINGING. I JUST HAPPENED TO NOTICE UTILITIES NOT ON MY LIST. I WAS JUST ASKING WHERE-- UNLESS I WAS SLEECHING YESTERDAY. SLEEPING YESTERDAY.

MAYOR? OKAY.

>> YOU KNOW, UTILITY BUDGET IS NOT A REQUIRED APPROVAL.

BY THE COUNCIL. I THINK MR. DUFFY WAS PLANNING TO SEPARATE IT FROM THE REGULAR BUDGET AND BRING IT TO YOU IN

NOVEMBER. >> OKAY.

I MEAN, I DO UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD THEM HERE.

I HAVE ALWAYS LEARNED A LOT. I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL JUST NOW.

>> IT WAS MR. DUFFY'S REQUEST. YOU CAN ASK HIM THAT QUESTION.

I'M SURE HE WILL ACCOMMODATE YOU.

THTHERE WERE SOME REASONS HE HA. HE WANTED TO DELAY IT.

>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, ALTHOUGH I'M TOLD THAT MR. CLINTON, YOU LIKE BEING LAST.

>> I DO LIKE BEING LAST. YOU KNOW?

>> NO, NO, NO. (LAUGHTER).

ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD.

WE WILL DO-- OH, THE DIRECTION THAT I HAVE GIVEN TO THE OTHER DIRECTORS. WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE CHANGES, HIGH-LEVEL CHANGES. SO GO AHEAD WITH THE 1125MENT.

>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.

DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

AS ALWAYS, VERY PLEASED TO PRESENT THE 2024 BUDGET FOR YOUR NATIONALLY ACCREDITED TWO-TIME GOLD MEDAL AWARD-WINNING PARK AND RECREATION SYSTEM. BEFORE WE GET INTO THE FULL BUDGET, I DID WANT TO SHARE TWO METRICS THAT WE HAVE FROM OUR CURRENT COMMUNITY SURVEY WHICH WE ARE DOING AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.

AND THE FIRST OF THE STATISTICS I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE IS THE IMPORTANCE THAT CARMEL RESIDENTS PLACE ON PARKS, RECREATION, AND OPEN SPACE HERE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND HOW IT CONTRIBUTES TO QUALITY OF LIFE.

86% OF RESIDENTS BASED ON A STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY SAY THAT PARKS AND RECREATION IS VERY IMPORTANT.

13% SAY IT IS IMPORTANT. 99%, IMPORTANT OR VERY IMPORTANT. THE REMAINING 1% SAYS WE ARE AT LEAST SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT. THE 99% IS CONSISTENT OR SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. WHAT'S VERY INTERESTING TO ME IS THAT THE LAST TIME WE DID THE SURVEY WAS IN 2018.

WE HAD-- THE VERY IMPORTANCE INCREASED FROM 62% TO 86%.

A 24-POINT INCREASE OVER FIVE YEARS.

AS FAR AS THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF PARKS AND RECREATION IN THE COMMUNITY. THE SECOND SURVEY THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US. THE FIRST ONE TALKS ABOUT THE VALUE THAT OUR RESIDENTS PLACE ON PARKS AND RECREATION.

THE SECOND STATISTIC I LIKE TO SHARE IS THE EFFECTIVENESS OF CCPR IN MAINTAINING AND BEING STEWARDS OF THE ASSETS THAT WE ARE ASKED TO MANAGE. MOST SPECIFICALLY, THE PARKS.

FOR US, 88% OF OUR RESIDENTS RATED OUR PARKS AS EXCELLENT OR GOOD. WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE EXACT SAME PERCENTAGE AS FIVE YEARS PREVIOUSLY.

AS A NOTE, THE NATIONAL BENCHMARK AND THE COMPANY WE USED DOES THIS ESSENTIALLY SIMILAR SURVEY FOR COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THEY HAVE A VERY STRONG DATABASE. THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS 68%.

WE ARE 20 POINTS ABOVE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR PARKS. WHAT IS MOST INCREDIBLE TO ME IS THAT THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS THAT RATED THE CONDITION OF OUR PARKS INCREASED FROM 2018 AT 58% TO 70% THIS TIME.

SO AGAIN, AN 18-POINT INCREASE AS FAR AS THE CONDITION OF OUR PARKS. PART OF THAT IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO MY STAFF AND THE INCREDIBLE WORK, ESPECIALLY OUR PARKS AND NATURAL RESOURCES TEAM DOES TO MAINTAIN THE PARKS.

BUT ALSO PART OF IT IS THE INVESTMENT THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS MADE IN THE PARKS THROUGH THE CLAY TOWNSHIP IMPACT PROGRAM, THROUGH INVESTMENTS THE CITY HAS MADE AS WELL.

THROUGH THAT, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS DEFINITELY PAYING OUT AND BEING RECOGNIZED BY OUR COMMUNITY.

I DID WANT TO SHARE THAT. I ALWAYS LIKE GIVING AN OVERALL PICTURE OF WHAT OUR OPERATING BUDGETS ARE LOOKING LIKE FOR CARMEL CLAY PARKS & RECREATION. AS A DEPARTMENT, WE MANAGE THOSE COLLECTIVELY. SO OUR USER FEE THAT IS WE ARE BUDGETED TO COLLECT IN 2024 ARE JUST UNDER $11.9 MILLION.

ACTUALLY JUST OVER $1 #.8 MILLION.

OUR PROJECTED EXPENDITURES FOR NEXT YEAR ARE AT $17.9 MILLION, ROUNDING UP. WE ARE REQUESTING $2 MILLION IN OUR 103 CAPITAL FUND. ALSO 100%ED FUNDED BY THE CITY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGETS AS A WHOLE, 55% OF THE OPERATING EXPENSES ARE FOR PERSONNEL. AS A SERVICE-ORIENTED ORGANIZATION. THAT MAKES SENSE.

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THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT $10.9 MILLION OF THE OVERALL BUDGET.

THAT FUND-- THAT FUNDS 72 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT CARMEL-CLAY PARKS AND RECREATION AND THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE I EMPLOY, WE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY OF CARMEL EMPLOYS. THE DIFFERENCE IS OF COURSE, THE CITY EMPLOYS WAY MORE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND A LOT LESS PART-TIMERS. AND WE ARE THE INNERS HAVE OF.

THAT WE HAVE PREDOMINANTLY PART-TIME STAFF PROVIDING OUR OPERATIONS. WHAT IS NOTABLE, THOUGH, -9D 2% OF THE PERSONNEL ARE ACTUALLY FUNDED THROUGH SELF-GENERATED FUNDS BY CARMEL CLAY PARKS & RECREATION AND NOT OFF OF TAX DOLLARS. OUR OVERALL OPERATING BUDGETS DO INCORPORATE A 4% ALLOWANCE FOR MERIT INCREASES FOR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. WE DO OUR COMPENSATION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN THE CITY IN THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT OR A STEP INCREASE.

WHAT WE DO IS PROVIDE 0% TO 4% INCREASE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES BASED ON THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS. AND WE ALLOCATE THAT WITHIN OUR BUDGET. THAT HAS BEEN OUR PROCESS SINCE 2007. AND WE ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THE CITY OF CARMEL'S HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM.

WHICH OF COURSE, IS A SE SELF-INSURED PROGRAM.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE 64 EMPLOYEES ON THAT PROGRAM.

THE REMAINING EIGHT ARE BASICALLY ON THEIR SPOUSES OR ON THEIR PARENTS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS INTERESTING. WE ARE REQUIRED UNDER OUR NATIONAL ACCREDITATION STANDARDS TO HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN OR LOOKING AT-- I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON IT.

ANYWAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOK AT IS TAKING A LOOK AT THE INVENTORY OF OUR EMPLOYEES. ONE THING THAT-- AND I JUST SIGNED OFFER ON THAT YESTERDAY, ONE THING THAT HIT MY ATTENTION IS WHEN I LOOK AT MY FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, A GOOD ALMOST 50% OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE MILLENNIALS. A QUARTER OF THE EMPLOYEES ARE GEN-Y. I HAVE A VERY YOUNG WORKFORCE WHICH IS AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE TO WORK WITH.

IT KEEPS US NICE AND FRESH. I'M ACTUALLY ONE OF THE OLD GUYS IN THE DEPARTMENT. WHICH MAKES ME FEEL OLD.

ANYWAY, AND THEN OF COURSE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED LAST YEAR IS WE BEGAN OFFERING MEDICAL BENEFITS FOR OUR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES. IT IS NOT THE SAME INSURANCE PROGRAM THAT IS OFFERED TO FULL-TIME EMPLOY EASY.

IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FELT WAS IMPORTANT TO BEGIN OFFERING TO MAKE US COMPETITIVE BECAUSE OUR PART-TIME WORKFORCE, WE ARE NOT COMPETING WITH OTHER PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENTS NECESSARILY. WE ARE COMPETING WITH TARGET AND STARBUCKS AND OTHER ORGANIZATION THAT IS DO PROVIDE THOSE BENEFITS. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO PROVIDE THOSE. THAT IS INCORPORATED IN OUR BUDGETS. THE EMPLOYEES, TO BE ELIGIBLE, HAVE TO WORK AT LEAST TEN HOURS PER PAY PERIOD.

IT IS A MINIMUM THRESHHOLD TO BE ABLE TO GET THE MEDICAL BENEFITS. MOVING ON TO THE GENERAL FUND, FUND 1125 UNDER THE CITY. OUR PROPOSED BUDGET IS $6,045,264. I WILL NOTE THAT IS $2 MILLION LESS THAN WHAT YOUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS WILL SAY.

I STITT THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE THE $2 MILLION IS PUT INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN TRANSFERRED INTO THE 103 PARK CAPITAL FUND. I'LL ADDRESS THAT $2 MILLION WHEN WE ADDRESS THE 103 FUND. BUTLIKE I SAID, OUR BUDGET REQUEST IS $6,045,264. AND WHAT I HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR TOP FIVE EXPENSES WHICH REPRESENT 88% OF OUR TOTAL BUDGET, YOU GET A REALLY GOOD FLAVOR OF WHAT'S DRIVING OUR BUDGET. THE TOP FIVE EXPENSES, OF COURSE, PERSONNEL IS THE NUMBER ONE EXPENSE.

THIS INCLUDES NOT ONLY THE COMPENSATION BUT ALSO THE BENEFIT AND EMPLOYER TAXES. $3,848,067 OR 64% OF OUR TOTAL EXPENSES. AGAIN, FUNDING 33 FULL-TIME POSITIONS. LY NOTE THAT-- I WILL NOTE THAT WE ARE DOING TWO ADJUSTMENTS WITHIN OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

ONE, WE, FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, ARE EMPLOYING A FULL-TIME RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.

FOR THIS YEAR, THAT POSITION IS BEING HALF-FUNDED BY THE CARMEL-CLAY PARKS FOUNDATION AND IS HALF-FUNDED THROUGH OTHER PROCEEDS FROM THE DEPARTMENT. THIS YEAR, THAT POSITION FOR 2024 IS PROPOSED TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET. THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THIS POSITION IS BASICALLY TO LOOK AT OUTSIDE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO ASSIST WITH THE CARMEL-CLAY PARKS OPERATIONS.

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THAT INCLUDES APPLYING FOR GRANTS, GOING OUT TO BUSINESSES AND ENTITIES AND INDIVIDUALS TO LOOK AT SPONSORSHIP AND DONATION OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. AND THAT POSITION WORKS VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR PARKS FOUNDATION.

WE KNOW A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, PREFER TO DONATE TO A 501-C-3 VERSUS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY.

SO THEY WORK HAND IN GLOVE WITH OUR PARKS FOUNDATION TO BE ABLE TO DIRECT THE MONEY WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY MOST FEELS COMFORTABLEST, WHETHER IT IS DIRECTLY TO PARKS AND RECREATION OR TO THE PARKS FOUNDATION. THE SOLE MISSION IS TO SUPPORT CARMEL-CLAY PARKS AND RECREATION.

THE SECOND ADJUST IN. OUR FULL-TIME POSITIONS IS THAT WE ELEVATED A PART-TIME ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT IN OUR PARKS AND NATURAL RESOURES DIVISION TO A FULL-TIME POSITION. WHAT WE FOUND IS BASICALLY, IN THIS CURRENT MARKET, IT IS STILL A TIGHT LABOR MARKET.

UNEMPLOYMENT RATES CREEPED UP TO ABOUT 3.8% IN THE STATE.

THAT IS STILL HISTORICALLY LOW. OUR PART-TIME POSITION KEPT TURNING OVER AND OVER AND OVER. AND WHAT BECAME VERY IMPORTANT IS FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE STABILITY IN THAT POSITION, ESPECIALLY AS THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES OCCURRING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO GROW. SO THAT POSITION HAS BEEN RECLASSIFIED AS A PARKS AND NATURAL RESOURCES COORDINATOR, HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ADMINISTRATION OF OUR AED PROGRAM. I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT KARMEL-CLAY PARKS AND RECREATION IS NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR TEN STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE HAVE SIX OF THOSE ALONG THE MONON GREENWAY STARTING ON SMOKY ROW, MAIN STREET, MIDTOWN PLAZA.

I SKIPPED CARDLE GREEN AND THEN THE TRAILHEAD AT CENTRAL PARK.

WE HAVE STATIONS WITHIN THE PARKS.

ONE AT CENTRAL PARK AT THE COMMONS.

WHICH IS BY THE PLAYGROUND. ONE OF TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS.

A LOT OF ACTIVITY WITH THE PLAY ACTIVITIES THERE.

ONE AT MEADOWLARK PARK WHICH HAS THE OTHER SET OF PICKLEBALL COURTS. THAT HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY POPULAR WITH THE RENOVATIONS THERE.

AND THE FOURTH ONE AT WEST PARK. ALL OF THOSE ARE NOW LIVE.

THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE COLLABORATION BETWEEN MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. ICS IS HELPFUL IN GETTING EVERYTHING SET UP. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OBVIOUSLY HAS RESPONSIBILITIES. ANY TIME THEY ARE ACTIVATED, WHETHER ON PURPOSE OR ACCIDENTALLY, AND THEN OUR STAFF ACTUALLY DOES DAILY INSPECTIONS OF EACH OF THOSE AED UNITS.

AND WE HAVE BIWEEKY MORE HER TO ROW INSPECTIONS.

THINK TIME ONE OF THOSE UNITS IS ACTUALLY USED, FOR ANY REASON, THIS WEEK WE HAD SOMEONE THINKING THERE MIGHT BE A FIRST AID KIT IN THERE. WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY THE INTENDED PURPOSE. OUR STAFF WILL THEN DO A THOROUGH CHECK TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN GOOD WORKING ORDER BEFORE WE PUT IT BACK INTO SERVICE.

OUR STAFFER IS PLEASED TO DO THAT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PLAN TO DO IS ULTIMATELY INCREASE THAT SO WE HAVE AN AED IN EVERY ONE OF OUR PARKS.

WE THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF THE COMMUNITY. JUMPING TO THE TOP FIVE EXPENSES, AGAIN, GROUNDS MAINTENANCE.

11%. $671,000.

THIS BASICALLY INVOLVES ALL OF OUR CONTRACTED MOWING AND LANDSCAPE SERVICES. WE ACTUALLY CONTRACT ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE BEDS AS WELL AS MOWING EVERYWHERE EXCEPT IN FRONT OF MY OFFICE. WE ARE-- WE HAVE FOUND THAT TO BE THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE MEANS TO SERVICE THE PARKS.

7% GOES TO CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. $404.

$404,475. THIS INCLUDES OUR I.T. SYSTEMS RELATED TO HUMAN RESOURCES, OUR PAYROLL SYSTEMS AS WELL AS OUR WORK ORDER AND ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS. AS WELL AS A PROZ POSED CONTRACT WITH THE CARMEL PCD.

UTILITIES. 4%.

THAT INCLUDES ALL UTILITIES FROM ELECTRIC, NATURAL GAS, WATER AND SEWER, CABLE, PHONE, AND TRASH PICKUP.

AND THEN TO WRAP UP THE TOP FIVE.

OTHER RENTAL AND LEASES. 2%.

THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY FOR THE LEASE RENTAL PROGRAM FOR OUR FLEET. LIKE I SAID, THE TOP FIVE EXPENSES REPRESENT 88% OF THE BUDGET.

JUST OVER $5.3 MILLION. WHEN WE LOOK AT COMPARING THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT ACTUALLY COVERS THE OPERATIONS AND NOT WHAT FUNDS THE 10 # FUNDS WHICH WE WILL LOOK AT SEPARATELY.

WE ARE LOOKING AT A 14% INCREASE.

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90% OF THOSE INCREASES GO TO FIVE THINGS.

NUMBER ONE. IN OUR OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES LINE. WHICH IS A REQUESTED INCREASE OF $320,000. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING WITH THAT IS ACTUALLY ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT WITH CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT TO BRING ON TWO PARK RESOURCE OFFICERS.

I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH CHIEF BARLOW FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS NOW ABOUT EXPLORING THE OPPORTUNITY OF EMBEDDING SEVERAL POLICE OFFICERS WITHIN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

MODELING OFF OF THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM.

IT IS A PROGRAM THAT BOTH THE CHIEF AND I SUPPORT.

IT IS ONE THAT I BELIEVE WILL ENHANCE THE SAFETY AND JUST THE COMFORT LEVELS WITHIN THE PARKS AS VISITORS ARE COMING.

WE ENVISION THESE TWO OFFICERS BEINGBATIONED OUT OF THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER BUT NOT SOLELY SERVICING THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

THEY WOULD BE A RESOURCE FOR THE ENTIRE PARK SYSTEM, INCLUDING THE MONON GREENWAY. THEY WOULD NOT BE THE SOLE ENFORCEMENT ON THE MONON GREENWAY.

I DO THINK THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THAT.

THEY ALSO WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN HELPING US TRAIN OUR STAFF ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT MEASURES. THEY WOULD BE A GREAT CONDUIT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH CPD, THIS JUST FURTHER ENHANCES THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM.

SO THAT WE ARE ON TOP OF EVERYTHING.

I THINK IT IS A VERY CRITICAL COMPONENT TO BRING THE PARKS SYSTEM UP TO THE NEXT LEVEL. JUST FURTHER EMBEDDING THAT PROGRAM. THE NUMBER OF-- THE NUMBER TWO DRIVERS OF THE INCREASES ARE EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION.

OUR FULL-TIME SALARIES AND PART-TIME WAGES.

AGAIN, 33 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES FUNDED OUT THIS.

18 PART-TIMERS. THAT IS COVERING THE MERIT INCREASES FOR THOSE $233,687 COMBINED.

NUMBER THREE IS FOR THE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS AND TAXES THAT ARE PAID BY THE EMPLOYER. THAT IS IS AN INCREASE OF $55,667. THAT INCLUDES INSURANCE, FICA, MEDICARE, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

AS WELL AS THE 457 CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE PARK BOARD.

THE FOURTH DRIVING INCREASE IS $31,000 FOR TRAINING AND EMPLOYEE DEVELOPMENT. I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THE CARMEL-CLAY PARKS & RECREATION HAS 19 CERTIFIED STAFF.

SOMELE OF THOSE ARE TECHNICAL CERTIFICATIONS.

THREE EMPLOYEES HAVE MULTIPLE CERTIFICATIONS.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF HIGH ACHIEVERS, CERTAINLY.

IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THOSE CERTIFY DAYINGS YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONTINUING EDUCATION. IT IS CRITICAL TO PROVIDE OUR EMPLOYEES THE OPPORTUNITIES TO RECEIVE THE TRAINING AND GO TO CONFERENCES TO MAINTAIN THOSE AS WELL AS OTHER EMPLOYEES RECEIVE THOSE BENEFITS AS WELL. THE CONFERENCE THAT IS WE ATTEND INCLUDE THE NATIONAL RECREATION PARK ASSOCIATION OF WHICH I WILL BE FORTUNATE TO MAKE THREE PRESENTATIONS TO THIS YEAR.

WE ROUTINELY SEND OUR DIVISION DIRECTORS TO DIRECTOR'S SCHOOL.

EVEN THOUGH THAT IS DESIGNED TO PREPARE THEM FOR ULTIMATELY SITTING IN MY SHOES, IT GIVES INCREDIBLE INFORMATION FOR THEM AS THEY ARE LEADING THEIR RESPECTIVE DIVISIONS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. SOME OF WHICH HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES GREATER THAN MANY PARK SYSTEMS WITHIN THE STATE OF INDIANA. WE ATTEND I.U.'S GREAT LAKE PARK TRAINING INSTITUTE. I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT IS THE OLDEST CONTINUOUS PARK AND REGULAR RATION RECREATION SEMINAR OR WORKSHOP IN THE COUNTRY.

IT WAS FOUNDED BY INDIANA UNIVERSITY.

AND A VARIETY OF OTHER PROGRAMS THAT ARE SPECIALIZED TOWARDS OUR RESPECTIVE STAFF AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND THE FIFTH DRIVER OF THE INCREASES ARE OTHER RENTALS OR LEASES. $26,000.

WE ARE-- WE HAVE TWO VEHICLES THAT HAVE, BASED ON OUR CRY TEAR YEAH OF AGE AND HOURS AND MILEAGE USE, ARE UP FOR REPLACEMENT SO. WE ARE GOING TO BE ADDING THOSE TWO VEHICLES WHEN WE TRADE THEM IN TO THE LEASE PROGRAM.

WE WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE SA OF OUR 18 VEHICLES ON OUR FLEET IN THIS PROGRAM. THIS TRANSITIONS A NUMBER OF OUR CAPITAL EXPENSES TO OPERATING EXPENSES.

WHICH ADDRESSES A VARIETY OF ISSUES.

THE REMAINING INCREASES WITHIN THE BUDGET ARE LARGELY ATTRIBUTABLE TO INFLATIONARY FACTORS.

WITH THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE REGARDING THE GENERAL FUND REQUEST.

>> JUST A QUICK NOTE. WHEN WE MET-- LET'S SEE.

I GUESS COUNCILOR NELSON AND MYSELF MET WITH YOU, WE HAD A FULL POWER POINT PRESENTATION. SO MUCH DETAIL.

IT IS REALLY AMAZING. WE ARE JUST GETTING ONE PAGE OF THAT POWER POINT IN THIS PACKET. IF YOU WANT IT, YOU MIGHT JUST GO AHEAD AND SEND THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS?

COUNCILOR HANNON? >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU AND YOUR STAFF DO.

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I ABSOLUTELY, THOSE SURVEYS THAT PEOPLE MOVE HERE FOR SCHOOLS AND PARKS. THERE IS NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER.

YOU AND I M MAYBE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THE PARK RESOURCE OFFICER.

CERTAINLY INTERESTING. I CAN SEE A LOT OF UP-SIDES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. PARTICULARLY, IF YOU ARE TRACKING OFF THE WAY THAT THE SRO PROGRAM WORKS.

BASICALLY, THEY ARE SORT OF BOTH HOUSED BY UCD.

I THINK THE POTENTIAL DOWN SIDE IS THAT CHIEF BARLOW NEEDS TO FIND TWO MORE POLICE OFFICERS TO BACK-FILL IT.

THAT IS WHAT HASHAD HAPPENED WITH THE SRO PROGRAM.

ARE WE MODELING THIS OFF OF OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS? ARE THERE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE USED PARK RESOURCE OFFICERS IN THIS MANNER? OR ARE WE KIND OF AHEAD OF THE CROWD IN DOING THAT?

>> THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE A PROGRAM WITH THEIR POLICE FORCE. INDIANAPOLIS, FOR EXAMPLE, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, PROBABLY AROUND 2006, 2007, TRANSITIONED THEIR PARK RANGERS INTO OR UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE IMPD.

HOWEVER, I THINK WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. BECAUSE THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM HERE IN CARMEL IS TOP-NOTCH.

OBVIOUSLY, IT JUST RECEIVED SOME NATIONAL RECOGNITION.

WELL-DESERVED. WE THINK THAT IS A BETTER MODEL THAN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

THERE ARE DEFINITELY EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES INSTEAD OF HAVING THE PARK SYSTEM CREATE ITS OWN RANGER FORCE WHICH WE DO HAVE STATUTORY ABILITY TO DO SO. WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS BETTER TO WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE, AND THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS PROGRAM THAT OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME SITUATION AS THE SCHOOLS.

BUT WE ARE MORE SIMILAR TO A SCHOOL SET UP.

AND MANY OF THE YOUTH THAT ARE MAYBE NEEDING A LITTLE BIT MORE ASSISTANCE FROM THE SORS ARE THE SAME YOUTH USING OUR PARKS.

WE THINK THAT IT IS A BETTER, BETTER FIT AND A BETTER MEANS.

AND CERTAINLY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SHOWN THAT THEY DO AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB IN THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS THAT REQUIRE

MAYBE A SOFTER TOUCH. >> I GUESS THE ONE THING I WOULD REQUEST IS WHEN YOU REPORT TO COUNCIL AND YOU REGULARLY DO, GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT. THAT IS A NEW PROGRAM.

CERTAINLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT'S WORKING, WHAT COULD BE IMPROVED, ET CETERA. I'M DISAPPOINTED THEY WILL NOT BE WEARING GREEN AND HAVING SMOKY BEAR HATS.

THAT IS A DIFFERENT MODEL. (LAUGHTER).

>> I'M TRYING TO KEEP HORSES OUT OF MY FLEET.

THEY ARE KIND OF EXPENSIVE. >> MESSY, TOO.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON 1125?

LET'S GO TO 10 #. >> THE PARK CAPITAL FUND IS ANOTHER FUND THAT IS SOLELY FUNDED BY THE CITY OF CARMEL UNDER THE INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF CARMEL AND CLAY TOWNSHIP. THE BUDGET IS $2 MILLION.

THAT DOES REPRESENT A SIZABLE INCREASE OF $1,481,000.

WE ARE REQUESTING WHAT BASICALLY WILL COVER THREE SPECIFIC TOPICS. MOST NOTABLY, THE PREPARING THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND PHASE ONE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPOSED CARMEL CHINESE GARDEN WHICH WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED BETWEEN THE CARMEL-CLAY PUBLIC LIBRARY AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY HAD A VERY ROBUST MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.

GREAT PARTICIPATION FROM THE CHINESE COMMUNITY.

I BELIEVE THERE IS GREAT POTENTIAL ALSO, IF WE ARE ABLE TO SECURE PUBLIC FUNDS TO HELP WITH PHASE ONE CONSTRUCTION.

THAT W THAT WILL BE ABLE TO SECE SOME DONATIONS TO ENHANCE THE OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN IT. THERE WAS DEFINITELY STRONG SUPPORT FROM THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE SAW.

NOT ENOUGH TO SOLELY FUND IT. I THINK IT WILL TAKE PUBLIC DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO GET IT STARTED.

I DO THINK THAT WITH PUBLIC DOLLARS, WE CAN CERTAINLY LEVERAGE PRIVATE DOLLARS TO EXPAND THE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE CERTAINLY HEARD THROUGH OUR SURVEYING, AND I BELIEVE THE COUNCILOR LORES HAVE ALSO HEARD, THE DESIRE FOR MORE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND GREEN SPACE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY BUT CERTAINLY WITHIN THE CENTRAL CORE. THIS WOULD CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THAT. THE SECOND COMPONENT IS $240 5RBGS00. 17% OF THE ASK TOWARDS THE MONON GREENWAY. THIS WOULD PREDOMINANTLY HELP WITH THE CONVERSION. WE HAD A SPECIAL APPROPRIATION REQUEST THAT WAS USING RELEASED ENCUMBERED DOLLARS FROM THE 2021 BUDGET OR EXCUSE ME. 2022 BUDGET, TO BE ABLING TO USE THIS YEAR FOR REDESIGNING THE SPLASH-PAD.

THIS WOULD HELP WITH THE CONVERSION TO ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION ELEMENT OF IT. AS WELL AS BEGIN THE PROCESS OF REPLACING SOME OF THE OLDER MONON GREENWAY SIGNS OUTSIDE THE

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CENTRAL CORE. TO A CLEANER STANDARD.

BECAUSE THOSE ARE APPROACHING 20 YEARS OLD.

>> AND THEN THE REMAINING BALANCE WHICH IS ONLY $19,000, WE ALWAYS LEAVE AN ALLOWANCE WITHIN THE PARK CAPITAL FUND FOR REPLACEMENT OF THE FURNISHINGS WITHIN MONON BOULEVARD AND MIDTOWN PLAZA. THAT AREA RECEIVES TREMENDOUS USE. EVEN THOUGH EVERYTHING IS COMMERCIAL GRADE, WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE USING IT, SOMETIMES THINGS NEED TO BE REPLACED.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE VERY POPULAR RED-SPINNING TOPS.

THIS PROVIDES SOME FUNDING, TO BE ABLE TO BE SURE WE CAN KEEP THOSE AREAS IN GREAT SHAPE. THAT REPRESENTS OUR 103 CAPITAL FUND BUDGET. LY NOTE THIS DOESN'T REPRESENT OUR ENTIRE BUDGET. THIS IS THE ONLY ENTIRE CAPITAL BUDGET. THERE ARE LOCAL INCOME TAX DOLLARS THAT WE RECEIVED ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE BOND.

THOSE ARE DOLLARS COMING FROM CLAY DP TOWNSHIP.

I DO WANT TO NOTE, HOWEVER, BASED ON SOME REAL CHANGES OR DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS BY THE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS, THE TOWNSHIP CAN NO LONGER PUT THOSE FUNDS INTO CAPITAL-- THE CAPITAL FUND THAT THE TRUSTEE MAINTAINS. BEGINNING THIS YEAR, WE STARTED DEPOSITING THOSE FUNDS INTO THE 103 IN A SEGMENTED CASH ACCOUNT.

SO BECAUSE IT IS A CITY FUND, WHEN IT IS TIME TO APPROPRIATE THOSE DOLLARS, WE WILL BE HAVING TO ASK FOR SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS OR ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.

THAT WILL BE BASED ON DOLLARS THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS PUT IN THOSE FROM THE CENTRAL PARK B BOND.

I DID WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS-UP.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING INCORPORATED INTO THIS BUDGET TODAY. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL OFF-LINE WITH YOU.

WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS ON 10 #?

10 #? >> ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO 108, PLEASE. >> THE NEXT THREE FUNDS ARE FUNDS THAT ARE SOLELY FUNDED WITH USER FEES OR EARNED INCOME.

THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE TO APPROVE THESE, ACTUALLY.

WE DO FEEL IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PRESENT THEM TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY.

ALL OF OUR BUDGETS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY THE PARK BOARD.

THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE PARK BOARD AND THE TWO PREVIOUS ONES HAVE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARK BOARD FOR THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE.

THE 108 FUND COVERS OUR EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT AND SUMMER CAMP OPERATIONS. PROJECTED REVENUE FOR NEXT YEAR, $5,156,750. PROJECTED EXPENSES, $5,076,288.

THAT REPRESENTS 102% COST RECOVERY.

IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT THIS SCHOOL YEAR IS THE 18TH YEAR OF THE EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT PROGRAM.

THE IMPACT THIS PROGRAM HAS IS ALSO PRETTY INCREDIBLE.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE-- LAST YEAR, WE SERVED 1,900 KIDS IN THE PROGRAM. RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT IS 1RBGS 803MENT WE ARE CAPPED AT ENROLLMENT BECAUSE OF STAFFING CHALLENGES. WE HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE% THAT WE DON'T HAVE MORE KIDS IN THE PROGRAM THAN WHAT WE CAN CONFIDENTABLY-- COMFORTABLY SUPERVISE BASED ON STATE GUIDELINES.

THIS SUMMER, WE SERVED OVER 7,200 KIDS IN OUR SUMMER PROGRAM. DEFINITELY MAKING A HUGE IMPACT FOR THE FAMILIES AND YOUTH OF OUR COMMUNITY.

LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE BUDGET ON THE REVENUES, THE PROJECTED REVENUES, $5.2 MILLION.

ROUNDING UP. BASICALLY, IT IS DRIVEN BY TWO REVENUE SOURCES. NUMBER ONE, AFTER-SCHOOL.

WHICH REPRESENTS $3 #,445,000. OR ALMOST 67% OF THE BUDGET.

SUMMER CAMPS REPRESENTS JUST OVER $1.7 MILLION OR 33% OF THE BUDGET. AND WE GET A LITTLE BIT-- WE HAVE ONLY BUDGETED $2,000 FOR-- WE DID GET A FEW SPONSORSHIPS HERE AS WELL AS LATE FEES WHEN PARENTS DON'T PICK UP THEIR KIDS ON TIME. WE PREFER NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING IN THAT BUDGET LINE. BUT THINGS HAPPEN.

THAT REPRESENTS THE REVENUE SIDE OF ESC.

THE EXPENSE SIDE, JUST UNDER $5.1 MILLION OPERATING BUDGET.

THE TOP FIVE EXPENSES REPRESENT 90% OF THE EXPENSES, PERSONNEL.

ALMOST $3.6 MILLION. 70% OF THE BUDGET.

AND WHEN WE WENT INTO COVID, WE HAD TO HAVE SOME DRASTIC STAFF CHANGES WITHIN THIS OPERATION. WE WERE CLOSED FOR A PARYD OF TIME. AND THEN WHEN THE SCHOOLS CHANGED THEIR BELL TIMES, IT SORT OF BASICALLY ELIMINATED THE BEFORE-SCHOOL PROGRAM AS FAR AS A VIABLE SERVICE.

UNDER OUR CONTROL. SO WE ELIMINATED ALL OF OUR FULL-TIME ASSISTANCE SITE SUPERVISORS.

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THE PROGRAM HAS CONTINUED TO GROW.

WE HAVE ADDED BACK, I BELIEVE WE ARE AT SIX FULL-TIME ASSISTANCE SITE SUPERVISORS. WE BASICALLY HAVE-- ONE SUPERVISOR IS HELPING US WITH TWO SITES.

REVENUES CONTINUE TO REBOUND AS WELL AS HOPEFULLY, OUR ABILITY TO SERVE MORE KIDS CONTINUES TO INCREASE.

WE WILL LOOK AT CONTINUING TO ADD AND FILL IN THOSE REMAINING FIVE FULL-TIME ASSISTANT SITE SUPERVISOR POSITIONS.

AGAIN, THAT IS SOLELY FUNDED BY USER FEES.

THAT IS NOTHING THAT IMPACTS THE TAX DOLLARS.

FIELD TRIPS AND BUS RENTALS REPRESENT 8 CONTACT OF THE BUDGET OR $406,000. THIS INCLUDES BASICALLY, IT IS PREDOMINANTLY FOR OUR SUMMER CAMPS.

IT IS TRIPS TO, LIKE, THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM OR INDIANS GAMES OR A VARIETY OF OTHER GREAT OPPORTUNITIES.

EVERY WEEK, EVERY CAMP GOES SOMEWHERE.

IT IS AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE FOR THE PARTICIPANTS IN OUR CAMPS. ALSO EVERY WEEK, THEY VISIT THE WATER PARK AT THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER.

OUR SUMMER CAMPS ACTUALLY DO PAY THE GROUP RATE.

THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS THE OPERATING EXPENSES OF THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER. NUMBER THREE, EXPENSES.

OTHER PROFESSIONAL FEES. $200,000.

THIS REPRESENTS 4% OF THE BUDGET.

PAYROLL FEES, BOOKKEEPING SERVICES, PAYMENT PROCESSING FEES, CREDIT CARD FEES, FOR EXAMPLE.

AS WELL AS THE SOFTWARE. EACH TRANSACTION HAS AN EXPENSE.

IT IS A THIRD-PARTY SOFTWARE. FACILITY RENTALS.

4% OF THE BUDGET. $196,000.

THE SUMMER CAMPS PAY FOR VISITING THE WATER PARK.

THEY PAY FOR OUR IN-HOUSE FACILITIES AS WELL AS THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS THAT THEY USE FROM THE CARMEL-CLAY SCHOOLS.

WE ARE PAYING PARTIALLY TO HELP FUND THE OPERATIONS OF THE JOE PEARLMAN PAVILION IN WEST PARK. WE ALSO PAY FOR USE OF THE NEW FIELDHOUSE THAT THE CLUB HAS. WE HAVE A SPORTS CAMP LOCATED IN THAT FACILITY. AND THEN THE TOP FIVE EXPENSE IS FOOD SUPPLY. 4%.

$185,000. ALL OF OUR AFTER-SCHOOL RECIPIENTS RECEIVE A SNACK. WE PURCHASE THAT DIRECTLY FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. IT IS TIED DIRECTLY TO THE NUTRITION PROGRAM THAT THE SCHOOLS HAVE ESTABLISHED THROUGH THEIR FOOD SERVICES. THAT REPRESENTS 90% OF THE TOTAL EXPENSES. I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING THE SCHOOL ENRICHMENT AND SUMMER CAMPS PROGRAMS FUNDED THROUGH 108.

>> COUNCILOR HANNON? >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

AGAIN, MICHAEL, I THINK WE TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT THESE PROGRAMS ARE SELF-FUNDING. THERE ARE SO MANY PARKS THAT ARE AMENITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T GENERATE THE FEES.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO.

FOR SUSTAINABILITY. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE 2022 SCHOLARSHIP FEES AND WAIVERS. BEFORE AND AFTER-SCHOOL CAMP.

$8,500. AND SUMMER CAMPS, 270.

I POINT OUT THAT THAT IS A LOW PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT.

WHEN AN AFFLUENT COMMUNITY LIKE THIS, WE TEND TO FORGET ABOUT THERE ARE FAMILIES IN NEED. HOW CAN WE INCREASE THOSE NUMBERS TO MAKE AVAILABILITY OF SUMMER CAMPS AND THESE AFTER-SCHOOLS PROGRAMS TO FAMILIES THAT ARE-- MAYBE DON'T

HAVE THE RESOURCES? >> EXCELLENT QUESTION, COUNCILOR HANNON. ONE, I THINK OUR RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR IS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPONSORSHIPS.

WHILE WE CALL THEM SPOON SHRSHIPS, IN ALL REALITY, HERE TO FEE-FAVORERS-- FEE-WAIVERS. WE ARE NOT GENERATING AN OFF-SETTING SOURCE OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO FUND THOSE.

THOSE ARE FACTORED INTO OUR PRICING MODEL, TO ENSURE WE CAN PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES. RIGHT NOW, OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE, NOT ONLY-- HONESTLY, WE COULD SUPPORT SOME MORE INDIVIDUALS ON SCHOLARSHIP. THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS CAPACITY. SO FOR THE AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM, IT IS THE CAPACITY LIMITING FACTOR, THE AMOUNT OF PERSONNEL THAT IS AVAILABLE. SINCE IT IS PREDOMINANTLY STAFFED BY PART-TIMERS. THAT IS THE HARDEST POSITION TO FILL. DURING SUMMER CAMPS, OUR CAPACITY ISN'T STAFF. BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF COLLEGE STUDENTS THAT COME BACK THAT WANT TO HAVE THESE TYPES OF COUNCILOR POSITIONS. OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS PLACES TO HOLD IT. YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS ARE VERY FORTUNATE. THEY PROVIDE US THE THREE MIDDLE SCHOOLS. WE ARE USING PARK FACILITIES AS WELL. WE COULD SERVE MORE TOTAL PARTICIPANTS IN WE HAD MORE PLACES TO PUT THE CAMPS.

WHICH IN TURN, WOULD ALLOW US TO SERVE MORE KIDS THAT MAYBE NEED-- WHOSE FAMILIES NEED FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE.

IT IS KIND OF A TWO-PART THING. ONE, ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES WORKING MAYBE WITH OUR CORPORATE COMMUNITY TO HELP PROVIDE THOSE SCHOLARSHIPS IF TO INCREASE THE NUMBERS.

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BUT TWO, LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN INCREASE THE CAPACITY SO WE CAN SERVE MORE KIDS IN, GENERAL AS WELL AS KIDS ON SCHOLARSHIP.

>> AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE THOROUGH DISCUSSION.

THAT KIND OF BRINGS ME BACK TO ANOTHER THOUGHT I HAD THAT YOU ARE BRINGING ON SOMEONE WHO ESSENTIALLY IS OUT THERE.

IF A HUNTER, SEEKER FOR GRANTS. WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, I THINK, YESTERDAY WITH THE MAYOR. IN THE FUTURE, TIMOTHY REZ NICK BROUGHT IT UP. THEY HAVE THAT AS A POSITION.

THAT IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY.

AND ONCE AGAIN, PARKS IS KIND OF LEADING THE WAY.

SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. IF NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD

ASK YOU TO MOVE ON TO 109. >> THE 109 FUND IS OUR MONON COMMUNITY CENTER FUND. THAT FUND OUR FACILITIES DIVISION WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE WATER PARK AS WELL AS ALL OF THE RECREATION PROGRAMMING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SUMMER CAMPS.

AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP PROGRAMS WHICH ARE FACILITATED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.

AND WITH OUR PARKS AND NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION.

FOR THE 109 FUND, WE ARE PROJECTING REVENUES OF $6,674,820. EXPENDITURES OF $6,576,822.

WITH THE PROJECTED COST RECOVERY OF $101%.

WE ARE, AND THE PARK BOARD HAS APPROVED THE FEE INCREASES.

HOWEVER, I'M PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT NONE OF THOSE FEE INCREASES WILL BE IMPACTING OUR RESIDENTS. SO WE DO EXTEND RESIDENT DISCOUNTS FOR OUR DAY PASSES. WE HAVE DOING-- WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE WILL BE EXTENDING THOSE FOR OUR MEMBERSHIP ANNUAL PASSES.

OUR RESIDENTS WILL RECEIVE A DISCOUNT.

AND SO OUR STANDARD RATE IS GOING UP, BUT THE DISCOUNT AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS KEEPS THEIR RATES FLAT.

NO INCREASES INCURRED BY CARMEL OR CLAY TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS.

OUR TOP COMPONENTS FOR THE MONON COMMUNITY CENTER.

58% MEMBERSHIP. THAT IS ANNUAL, MONTHLY, AND SEASONAL PASSES. JUST OVER $3.9 MILLION.

DAY PASSES AND VISIT PASSES, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY-- I SHOULD NOTE. OUR MEMBERSHIPS ARE PRECONTINUE TO MAY THE LAST COMING FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE MEMBERSHIPS FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THE BUILDING ITSELF.

SO FITNESS, THE J JIM GYMNASIUM, PICKLEBALL.

THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES. THE DAY PASSES ARE PREDOMINANTLY COMING FROM VISITORS TO THE WATER PARK.

THE WATER PARK WAS CONSTRUCTED AS A REGIONAL DESTINATION.

SO WELL. , YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE VISITOR ONLY COMES JUST SHY OF TWO TIMES PER YEAR.

WHICH IS REFLECTIVE OF A REGIONAL DESTINATION.

WE ARE BRINGING A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEN GO AND USE THE INCREDIBLE RESTAURANTS, THEY WILL GO TO MONON BOULEVARD. THEY WILL GO TO OUR STORES AND BUSINESSES AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR ECONOMY.

BUT THE DAY PASSES AND TEN-PUNCH PASSES ARE CONTRIBUTING JUST UNDER $1.6 MILLION OR 23% OF THE PROJECTED BUDGET.

THE RECREATION PROGRAM FEES REPRESENT 7% OF THE BUDGET.

JUST UNDER $500,000. THESE ARE REGISTRATION FEES FOR ALL OF THE PROGRAMS EXCEPT OUR AQUATICS PROGRAMS. WHICH IS BIG ENOUGH TO WARRANT ITS OWN LOOK AT.

CONCESSIONS AND VENDING, WHICH IS BASICALLY OUR FOOD SERVICE OPERATIONS, AND THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY AT THE WATER PARK, REPRESENTS 3% OF OUR REVENUE. $220,000.

WE HAVE SOME VENDING MACHINES THAT ALSO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS.

THAT AGAIN, THE LION'S SHARE IS COMING FROM THE WATER PARK CONCESSION STAND. 3% OF THE REVENUES ARE COMING FROM OUR AQUATIC PROGRAM FEES. $210,000.

THOSE ARE PREDOMINANTLY LEARN TO SWIM OR PROGRAMS TEACHING KIDS TO BE ABLE-- NOT JUST KIDS. BUT PEOPLE OF ALL AGES TO LEARN TO SAFELY BE IN THE WATER. THAT REPRESENTS 96% OF OUR TOTAL PROJECTED REVENUE. JUST UNDER $6.4 MILLION.

I WILL NOTE, 84% OF THE REVENUE THAT IS PROJECTED IS ATTENDANCE OR MEMBERSHIP-DRIVEN. YOU KNOW.

WHEN WE HAVE A GOOD SUMMER, WE HAVE CERTAINLY MORE ATTENDANCE.

THAT DRIVES MORE REVENUE TO THE WATER PARK.

LOOKING AT EXPENSES, TOP FIVE EXPENSES, JUST UNDER $3.5 MILLION. OR 52% FOR OUR PERSONNEL.

WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT OPERATION. THAT IS WHY IT FALLS UNDER THE 55% AVERAGE. WE HAVE BRICK AND MORTAR HERE.

IT IS STILL THE LARGEST SHARE. THAT IS FUNDING 18 FULL-TIME POSITIONS AS WELL AS 375 PART-TIME POSITIONS.

UTILITIES REPRESENT 11% OF OUR EXPENSES.

$753,400. AGAIN, THAT INCLUDES ELECTRICITY, NATURAL GAS, WATER, SEWER, CABLE, PHONE, AND TRASH.

I LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT BOTH THE ESC AND MONON COMMUNITY

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CENTER, WE ARE TRULY COVERING 100% OF OPERATING EXPENSES.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU TOOK THESE BUDGETS, AND YOU REMOVED THEM FROM THE CONTROL OF CARMEL PARKS & RECREATION.

THEESES THESE WOULD FUND THE EXPENSE OF OPERATIONS.

AS WE GENERATE REVENUE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTRIBUTE SOME OF THE ACCUMULATED NET INCOME TO HELP WITH CAPITAL REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS. NUMBER THREE EXPENSE-- REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE. THIS IS COMING FROM BOTH THE SERVICES AND SUPPLIES LINES. $377,630.

6%. OBVIOUSLY, WE ACTUALRY IS HAVE-- WE OPENED IN 2007. WE HAVE A 16-YEAR-OLD BUILDING.

AS THAT BUILDING CONTINUES TO AGE, OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED. SOMETIMES ON A MORE INCREASING BASIS. WE DO LOOK AT THOSE VERY CLOSELY. SOMETIMES WHEN A PARTICULAR ITEM BECOMES TOO JA COSTLY, IT IS GIG US THE INDICATION THAT IT IS TIME TO BE REPLACED. WE LOOK AT THAT VERY CLOSELY.

CLEANING SERVICES REPRESENT 5% OF THE BUDGET.

THEN MARKETING, THROUGH OUR BUDGETS AS WELL.

4% OF THE BUDGET. COLLECTIVELY, THAT REPRESENTS 78% OF THE TOTAL PROJECTED EXPENSES.

OR JUST UNDER 5.2 MILLION DOLLARS.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> COUNCILOR FINK DISBLAM. >> I THINK THIS FALLS IN THIS BUDGET. YOU DID EVENTS, THE ADULT

MINGLES. >> YES.

>> WHATEVER THEY ARE CALLED. >> ABSOLUTELY.

THE MONON MIXER. >> THANK YOU.

IMMUNOTHOSE ARE WILDLY POPULAR. WE HAVE A PI PIG CONTINGENT FROM INDIANAPOLIS COMING AS WELL. DO RESIDENTS GET A DISCOUNT THERE? IF NOT, CAN WE CONSIDER IT?

>> RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK IT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE PRICING STRUCTURE. THOSE WE VIEW AS PROGRAMS. WE KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE SEPARATELY THAN-- I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, IT GOES INTO THE REVENUE.

WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT PROVIDING A DISCOUNT FOR

RESIDENTS IN THOSE PROGRAMS. >> I KNOW THEY ARE SELLING OUT.

I WOULD HATE TO HAVE THE RESIDENTS DISADVANTAGED THERE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING.

THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION. >> SURE.

ABSOLUTELY. ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS WE ARE DOING, TOO, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE RESIDENTS-- WE WILL BE ABLE TO PUT OUR MEMBERS, FOR EXAMPLE, INTO A BUCKET, IF YOU WILL.

IT IS VERY EASY TO IDENTIFY WHICH OF THE MEMBERS ARE RESIDENTS. THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND TO OUR MEMBERS, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ADVANCED REGISTRATION FOR SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS.

>> THAT IS WHAT I WAS THINKING, TOO.

I THINK THE PALLADIUM CPA DOES THAT.

YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATE FEE SCHEDULE.

IF YOU HAD AN EARLY NOTICE TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

BUT THANKS. >> I LIKE THAT, TOO.

>> YEAH. WE WILL LOOK AT THAT.

I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE FEASIBLE.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

WE ARE NOW INTO 110. >> THE 110 FUND IS OUR SMALLEST NONREVERTING OPERATING FUND. THIS COVERS THE EVER POPULAR DOG PAR. THE TWO PROGRAM PAVILIONS AND OUR PICNIC SHELTERS. NET PROCEEDS FROM THIS ACTUALLY ARE USED TO REINVEST INTO THOSE FACILITIES.

WE ARE PROJECTING REVENUES OF $193,200.

AND EXPENDITURES OF $151,160. OBVIOUSLY, WELL OVER 100% COST RECOVERY. BASICALLY, THERE ARE THREE REVENUE DRIVERS FOR THIS FUND. DOG PARK FEES REPRESENT A PROJECTED $90,000. 47% OF THE BUDGET.

THAT IS BASED ON 700 TOTAL MEMBERS.

WE ARE AT PEAK ATTENDANCE. OUR MEMBERSHIPS, WITH THE WAITING LIST. PART OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN IS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL DOG PARK SITES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

WHICH OBVIOUSLY, WILL HAVE A CAPITAL COMPONENT TO IT REQUIRING FUNDING. FACILITY RENTALS, 55,000.

28%. THOSE ARE PREDOMINANTLY, WELL, THOSE ARE EXCUSE CLIVELY RENTAL FEES FOR THE PAVILIONS.

PREDOMINANTLY FROM THE SUMMER CAMPS.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER PRIVATE RENTALS THAT ARE COMING IN THERE AS WELL. AND THEN OUR PARK SHELTERS GENERATE AROUND $45. 23% OF THE PROJECTED REVENUE.

THESE ARE RENTAL FEES FOR THE SHELTERS THROUGHOUT THE PARK SYSTEM. TOP FIVE EXPENSES.

THIS IS THE ONLY BUDGET WHERE PERSONNEL ISN'T NUMBER ONE.

THEY ARE LARGELY MANAGED THROUGH THE 109 FUND.

THE PERSONNEL IS DOING THAT AS WELL AS THE GENERAL FUND.

WE DO ALLOW SOME FUNDING HERE FOR PERSONNEL TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS EXPENSES. THE NUMBER ONE EXPENSE IS UTILITIES FOR THOSE VARIOUS FACILITIES.

24%, 36,000 AND SOME CHANGE. GROUNDS, MAINTENANCE.

THIS IS CONTRACTED MOWING AND LANDSCAPING SERVICES FOR THE DOG

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PARK. CLEANING SERVICES, $26,082.

70%. JANITORIAL SERVICES FOR THE TWO PROGRAM PAVILIONS. WE HAVE SOME PART-TIME PERSONNEL BUDGETED TO HELP SUPPORT THOSE OPERATIONS.

PREDOMINANTLY FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT.

$18,000 OR 12%. REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE FOR THOSE FACILITIES. 84% OF THE OVERALL BUDGET.

THAT REPRESENTS 110. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THAT?

GOOD JOB. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS. SO I BELIEVE WE ARE FINISHED.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AS ALWAYS, ON BEHALF OF THE PARK BOARD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TREMENDOUS SUPPORT THAT THE CITY OF CARMEL GIVES TO OUR PARK SYSTEM.

IT TRULY IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND TOWNSHIP.

WITHOUT THAT PARTNERSHIP, WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE INCREDIBLE PARK SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TODAY. AND IT IS ALSO FROM THE SUPPORT OF THIS COUNCIL THE MAYOR THAT HAS HELPED MAKE US WHO WE ARE TODAY. SO THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY? IF NOT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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