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I LIKE TO CALL THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEETING FOR TUESDAY,I LIKE TO CALL THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEETING FOR TUESDAY, MAY 28, TO ORDER. IF WE CAN ALL RISE FOR THE
[D. Declaration of Quorum]
[E. Approval of Minutes and Findings of Facts of Previous Meetings]
HAVE A QUORUM. APPROVAL OF MINUTES. THE PREVIOUS MEETING.>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>> ANY DISCUSSION? >> WE DO A VOICE VOTE, RIGHT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY --. OPPOSED? I CANNOT REMEMBER WHICH WORD I AM ONLINE. COMMUNICATION BILLS AND EXPENDITURES. TO THE PLANNING ZONING DEPARTMENT HAS NOTHING
TO TALK ABOUT, DISCUSS. >> REPORTS ANNOUNCEMENTS, LEGAL
[H. (UV) The Family Place Day Care Use Variance.]
COUNSEL? >> REPORT IS PRESENT.
>> NICE AND SIMPLE. WE WILL START WITH THE FAMILY PLACED DAY CARE USE VARIANCE, DOCKET 204006. UV. AND PETITIONER.
EXPERIENCE, SORRY. >> THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I'M A SINGLE SOURCE REAL ESTATE SERVICE AND HE WITH ME TONIGHT IS CHARITY --. WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT THE PROPOSED USE VARIANCE FOR THE DAY NURSERY DAY CARE WITH THE SPECIAL EXEMPTION FOR PRESCHOOL. PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 10 455 COLLEGE AVE. ZONED B1. IN THE HOMEPLACE DISTRICT.
SURROUNDED ON THE NORTH SIDE, WEST SIDE AND SOUTH SIDE. BY ADDITIONAL B1 USE . ON THE EAST SIDE AND NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL ENGAGEMENT. WE MAY IMPROVE MINOR EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENT FOR THE USE. IT'LL BE DECORATIVE AND PRIVACY FENCING INSTALLED TO THE PROPERTY FOR THE FENCE PLAY AREA. OFFENSE GOES FROM THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING TO THE PROPERTY LINE. ALONG WITH OUTSIDE. ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE, THE A SIDE, SORT OF VISIT NORTHSIDE. THAT'LL SCREEN FROM THE RESIDENTIAL. WHERE ON THE WEST SIDE FROM THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE WILL BE A BLACK PICKET FENCE. THE OTHER PROPOSED FENCING IS A LONG COLLEGE AVENUE. THAT IS SIMPLY FOR CHILD SAFETY. CHILDREN HEAR FROM 0 TO 6 YEARS OLD. WHEN PARENTS PICK THEM UP OUT THE FRONT DOOR, TO KEEP THE CHILD FROM RUNNING OUT INTO COLLEGE AVENUE. IT'LL BE A SHORTER PICKET FENCE INSTALLED ALONG THE SIDEWALK. THERE IS EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT IS THERE AND THE SIDEWALK WILL CONNECT ALL THE WIN FRONT THE BUILDING SO PAKISTANI TO BUILD -- SO PARENTS THAT NEED TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS, THEY CAN WALK TO THE NORTH SIDE WITH CLASSROOMS IN THE NORTH AND TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS FROM THERE. THAT IS EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED TO STAFF, AND,
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RIGHT AWAY HAS BEEN DEDICATED ALREADY . ALONG COLLEGE AVENUE, PRIOR TO THE SUBMITTAL. AND WE ARE WORKING WITH STAFF TO DEDICATED THE SNOW RIDE AWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE. INCLUDING THE PLACE IN THE BUILDING LIGHTING. REPLACED WITH LIGHTING THAT MEETS CODE. BASICALLY THE SAME COLOR WITH HEALING. AND IT NEEDS SOME UPDATING. THERE WILL BE THE INFILL OF COUPLE OF WINDOWS. ONE WHERE THE SIGNAGE GOES ON THE FRONT. THREE WINDOWS ACROSS THE FRONT. THE MIDDLE IS AND FILLED. AND, AND THE SIGNAGE WILL GO ACROSS WHILE THE OTHERS IN THE REAR.IN FIELD WITH THE EXISTING MATERIAL. ON THE INSIDE. THE FIRST FOUR WILL REMAIN THE SAME AND CAN BE EASILY CONVERTED INTO CLASSROOMS. SECOND FLOOR IS CLASSROOMS FOR THREE AND UP.
ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND A LARGE TRADING ROOM FOR TRAINING STAFF AND PARENTING CLASSES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE . THE SERVICES OFFERED HERE 40 TO 6 YEARS OLD PRIMARILY TO PREPARE CHILDREN'S GO TO SCHOOL. THAT IS SORT OF THE PURPOSE. AND I AM SURE, DR. HOLLAND WILL TALK MORE. ABOUT THAT. AS FAR AS OPERATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT IS REALLY THE GOAL.
TO PREPARE THE KIDS FOR SCHOOL. THERE IS ALSO SOME PARENTING CLASSES. FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND THE PARENTS AS WELL. SUPPORTING RESEARCH IS -- SUPPORT AND RESOURCES FOR THE STAFF WORKING THERE AND CHILDCARE EDUCATORS. FOR EACH AGE GROUP, MEETING STATE STANDARDS AND THE CONFERENCE ROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE INSIDE. FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, IS TO BE APPROXIMATELY 30 NEW HIRES. IN THIS FACILITY. NO MORE THAN 12 TEACHERS AT ONE TIME. AN ADDITIONAL MANAGEMENT STAFF WILL BE THERE AS WELL. THROUGHOUT THE DAY. I WAS OF OPERATION. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 5:30 A.M. TO 11:30. THE DAY CARE PORTION IS ONLY OPEN UNTIL 7:00 PM. I DO HAVE LATER AND EARLIER I WAS IN MOST DAY CARE FACILITIES. WE WILL HAVE 2 TO 3 WEEKEND EVENTS AND COURSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT'LL HAPPEN ON THE WEEKENDS. ONE ITEM TO NOTE. SINCE WE PROVIDED ALL OF YOUR MATERIAL AND MADE SOME MIDDLE. THE ESTIMATED NUMBER OF CHILDREN IS ONLY 92 CHILDREN WHICH IS DOWN FROM 120 WHICH IS WHAT IS IN THE MATERIAL. I WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD. THERE WAS ORIGINALLY NINE CLASSROOMS PARED DOWN TO SEVEN CLASSROOMS. I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT OF MAKING SURE WE NOTED THAT FOR THE RECORD. THE VARIANCE USE IS REQUIRED BECAUSE IT IS A BROAD DEFINITION DAY CARE IN THE CODE. AS I SAID, IT IS AN EDUCATIONAL FACILITY. WHICH IS ALLOWED BY THE SPECIAL EXEMPTION. THE MAJORITY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO CHANGE THE USE ARE OCCURRING ON THE INSIDE. THE OUTSIDE IS REFRESHING AND UPDATING THINGS TO MAKE IT LOOK A LOT NICER. AND THE FENCING INSTALLATION FOR THE PLAY AREA AND CHILD SAFETY. DROP OFF AND PICK UP IN PARKING WERE A BIG CONCERN OF STAFF. IN ADDITION TO THE EXTENDED OPERATING HOURS, WHICH ALLOWS MORE TIME FOR PARENTS TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS AND DROP OFF THE KIDS.
THEY ALSO OFFER VALET PICKUP SERVICE. IT IS A CALL AHEAD ON MY WAY. PLEASE HELP MY KID GET READY. THEY CAN GET THE KIDS READY TO GO. AND PARK WITHIN 3 TO 5 MINUTES, RUN IN AND GRAB YOUR KIDS. A LITTLE FASTER SERVICE AS FAR AS DROP-OFF AND PICKUP. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DR. HOLLAND AND LET HER EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HERSELF IN THE
OPERATION. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DR.
CHARITY HOLLAND. I AM HONORED TO BE HERE TODAY TO SHARE MY JOURNEY AND VISION BEHIND THE CHILDCARE CENTER BEHIND THIS PLACE. WHICH WE CALL T FP FOR SURE. MY JOURNEY BEGAN IN 2008 OUT OF A PERSONAL FRUSTRATION IS APPEARANCE. I STRUGGLE TO FIND CHILDCARE THAT WAS IN AN ENVIRONMENT CONDUCIVE FOR MY CHILD NEEDS. IT INSPIRED ME TO TAKE MATTERS INTO MY OWN HANDS
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TO START A SMALL VETERAN CHILDCARE RIGHT FROM MY HOME.IT BEGAN AS A SOLUTION AND GREW AS MY PARENTS RECOGNIZE THE VALUE OF PERSONALIZED CARE THAT I PROVIDED. IN 2014, THE HOME BASE CHILDCARE EXPANDED INTO THREE HOMES DEMONSTRATING THE GROWING NEED AND APPRECIATION FOR THE APPROACH AS WE MOVE INTO THE COMMERCIAL SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH AND FURTHER EXPANDED IN 2018. COMMITMENT TO HIGH-QUALITY INDIVIDUALIZED CARE CONTINUES TO ATTRACT MORE FAMILIES LEADING US TO RELOCATE TO A LARGER FACILITY IN NOBLESVILLE IN 2021. THROUGHOUT THE YEARS I PURSUED FURTHER EDUCATION TO ENHANCE EXPERTISE.
I STARTED WITH A NURSING DEGREE TO QUIT ME FOR A STRONG FOUNDATION IN HEALTH AND WELLNESS. I ADDED A MASTERS DEGREE IN BUSINESS TO ENSURE THE SUCCESS AND STRATEGIC PLANNING. I ACHIEVED A DOCTORATE IN EARLY EDUCATION WITH SPECIAL VISION AND CURRICULUM. IT HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN SHAPING THE FAMILY PLACE OF PHILOSOPHY AND APPROACH. AT THE FAMILY PLAYS, WE SPECIALIZE IN WORKING WITH FAMILIES OF CHILDREN WHO OFTEN FACE CHALLENGES AND TRADITIONAL PRESCHOOL SETTINGS. THESE CHILDREN MAY BE MISUNDERSTOOD BY OTHER EDUCATORS BUT WE SEE THEIR POTENTIAL AND UNIQUENESS . THE MISSION IS TO CREATE AN INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT WHERE EVERY CHILD CAN THRIVE. I'M DEEPLY COMMITTED TO SUPPORTING EDUCATORS WHO WORK WITH CHILDREN DESPITE THEIR CRITICAL ROLE AND CRUCIAL ROLE. EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION TEACHERS ARE UNDER LIT AND UNDERPAID. AT THE FAMILY PLACE WE BUILD STRONG EMPOWERED TEAMS BY COACHING AND MENTORING THE DEDICATED PROFESSIONALS AND BELIEVE IN EMPOWERING OTHERS TO FOSTER AND COLLABORATE COMMUNITIES WHERE CHILDREN AND EDUCATORS CAN FLOURISH. WE WANT YOUR SUPPORT TO EXPAND THE IMPACT FURTHER IN A SECOND LOCATION BY IMPROVING THE ZONING REQUEST. YOU'LL HELP US CONTINUE THE MISSION TO PROVIDE EXCEPTIONAL CARE AND EDUCATION TO MORE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IN NEED. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
>> WITH THAT, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING . ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? RUSH TO THE MICROPHONE. I OPEN THAT AT 6:12. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:12:55. DEPARTMENTS.
>> THANK YOU. THE PETITIONER SEEKS THE VARIANCE APPROVAL.
AND THE INTENT OF THE HOMEPLACE BUSINESS OF THE AREA IS TO FOSTER URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE VILLAGE LIKE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. AND PLANNING STAFF THINKS IT IS A GOOD FIT FOR THAT. AND THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN PROMOTES A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS FOR HOME PLATES. WE FEEL THAT IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS THE PETITIONER STATED, IT IS AN EXISTING BUILDING AND SITE ANY ONLY HAVE MINOR MODIFICATIONS. THEY DO PLAN TO KEEP THE BRICK EXTERIOR AND NOT PAINTED WHICH STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF.
REGARDING REMAINING REVIEW COMMENTS, THEY WORK WITH ALL RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS. WE DO ASK THAT TO BE PART OF THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THAT THE PETITIONER ADDRESSES ALL REMAINING REVIEW COMMENTS. WE RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION OF THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU.
>> IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS?
>> BESIDES THE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS, I THINK I HEARD YOU ARE MOVING ONE CLASSROOM FROM THE ORIGINAL PLANS ARE THEIR LICENSING LIMITATIONS THAT WILL SET A CAP ON THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STUDENTS? AT ANY ONE TIME? FOR WE ARE UNLICENSED REGISTER MINISTRIES. WE'VE DONE THE PRE-WORK AND IT'S COME AND DID ALL THE MEASURING ABOUT THE CLASSROOMS SO THE 92 NUMBER IS THE MAX BASED ON THE SEVEN CLASSROOMS THAT'LL BE THERE. WE FLOODED OUT HOW MANY TEACHERS IT'LL TAKE WHICH IS WHERE WE GOT THE 12 NUMBER FROM. AT FULL
CAPACITY OF THE 92. >> NUMBER AND SIZE OF THE CLASSROOM COMBINED WITH THE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS EXISTING IS REALLY WHAT THE CONSTRAINT IS?
>> WE WILL BE A LEVEL FOR IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LEVELS ARE. THERE ARE PASS QUALITY LEVELS. TOP FOUR IS THE HIGHEST
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RANKING. WHEN IT IS ALL SET AND DONE, WE WILL HAVE THE LEVELFOR THE CHILDCARE FACILITY. >> PHYSICALLY, FROM THE STAFF PARKING LOT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, IS THERE A STAFF INSURANCE DIRECTLY FROM THAT PARKING LOT?
>> IT'LL HAVE HIS OWN STAFF ENTRANCE. THE FRONT ENTRANCE WILL HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MAIN ENTRANCES. ONE FOR OFFICES AND THE OTHER FOR ALL CHILDCARE AND THE OTHER WILL BE EMERGENCY
EXIT ONLY. >> WILL THE ENTRANCE TO THE EXTENT WILL THERE BE ANY COMMERCIAL DELIVERIES THAT IT'LL BE HANDLED FROM THE NORTHEAST LOTS?
>> COMMERCIAL DELIVERIES MORE THAN LIKELY WILL COME TO THE OFFENSE ENTRANCE ON THE FRONT ENTRANCE BECAUSE THAT IS TYPICALLY THE PARKING BUT DOESN'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE
THERE IF IT MAKES SENSE? >> THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> YES SIR? >> ON THE PLANS ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT KITCHENS. ONE OF THEM LOOK LIKE A RATHER LARGE COMMERCIAL TYPE THE KITCHEN. IS IT FOR PREPARATION OF MEALS FOR
THE CHILDREN? >> WE ARE CONSIDERED A MINISTRY SO WE ONLY REQUIRE A WARMING KITCHEN. ALL THE FOOD THAT COMES IN WILL BE PREPPED AND WARMING.
>> IT IS BASICALLY LIKE A HUSK ITCHING. YOU HAVE BEEN SO OUT OF THE MICROWAVE BUT WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY FRYING OR ANYTHING.
>> UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN. IT TIES IN WITH THE QUESTION ABOUT DELIVERY SERVICES. I'M ON THE UNDERSIDE FOR WASTE REMOVAL. IT LOOKS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TRASH AREA SNUCK IN THE BACK BEHIND THE BUILDING. SOUTH OF
THE STAFF PARKING. >> I TRY TO KEEP SCREEN FOR THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. DEPENDING ON WHERE THE TRASH GETS PICKED UP.
THERE ARE ALSO TRASH CANS OUT THERE TODAY. CAN GET WILLED OUT. OUT THAT WAY OR IF THEY CAN PICK UP 105TH ST.
>> OKAY. I GUESS I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRUCK
ACCESS TO A RECEPTACLE AREA. >>. LIKE TO , THE CAN GET
WHEELED OUT. >> THAT'S THE WAY STEVE
GENERATES? >> IT DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE THE PIT DUMPSTER TYPE PEOPLE ARE USED TO SEEING FOR COMMERCIALS. IT'LL BE THREE AND FOR A FEW NEEDED. THE WHEEL
TYPE RESIDENTIAL TRASH CAN. >> PULLED OUT TO THE CURB?
>> CORRECT. SO IT DOESN'T DISTURB THE NEIGHBORS.
>> ONE OF THE QUESTION REALLY QUICKLY. IT LOOKS LIKE THE PLAY YARD AREA IS TAKING UP THE YEAST PART OF THE MAIN PARKING
>> YES. >> A PORTION WILL REMAIN PAVED.
AND THEN A PORTION OF IT WILL BE MULCHED.
>> I SEE, OKAY, ALL RIGHT. AS FAR AS THE CIRCULATION, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A DROP OFF TURNAROUND. IS THAT BEING CLOSED OFF OR ARE YOU UTILIZING THAT FOR PARENTS TO BE ABLE TO
COME IN AND DROP OFF? >> THAT IS ALREADY GONE AND HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED. YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT IS ALL GRASS. PARENTS CAN PARK AND BACK OUT AND THEY CAN BACK OUT
ON THE COLLEGE. >> IS THAT THE BEST THEY WILL
PARK TO BRING THE KIDS IN? >> YEAH. THAT'S USUALLY THE
>> IT IS ILLEGAL FOR TEACHERS TO REMOVE THE AMOUNT OF THE CAR SEATS OR PUT THEM IN. IF THE PARENTS WILL STILL COME IN THE BUILDING, HOW WE DO THE VALET SERVICE IS THEY WAIT IN THE WAITING AREA AND WE GET THE CHILD READY AND THEY GIVE US THE 10 MINUTE WINDOW WILL BE USING THE APP AS WELL WHERE THEY LET US KNOW THEY ARE ON THE WAY AND WE GET THE CHILD DRESS GET THEM DISCONNECTED FROM TEACHERS WHICH CAN BE THE DIFFICULT PART. AND HAVE THEM READY AT THE DOOR WHEN A PARENT
ARRIVES. >> I'M A BIT CONCERNED. ARE YOU STAGGERING DROP OFF TIMES THEN FOR PARENTS WHEN IT IS CONVENIENT FOR THEM. HOW DOES IT TIE INTO THE PROGRAMMING FOR LESSONS IN WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING?
>> WE DON'T PURPOSELY STAGGER. BECAUSE WE ARE EARLY COMPARED TO MOST PLACES, WE OPEN AT 5:30 WHICH MEETS THE NEEDS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. A LOT OF DOCTORS AND NURSES WHO OWN BUSINESSES DROP
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OFF AT 6:00 WHEN THE AVERAGE DROP OFF TIME IS EIGHT OR 8:30.YOU HAVE THE LARGER DROP OFF TIMES AND WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE BECAUSE SOME OF THE CHILDREN ARE ALREADY THERE. SIX IN THE MORNING, SOMETIMES I HAVE 25 KIDS ALREADY. BY SIX.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE STAFF IS THERE AND AVAILABLE. BECAUSE WE BRING GONE THE LONGER HOURS, MOST PEOPLE ARE PICKING UP THE KIDS BY SIX. WE STILL HAVE KIDS RUNNING AROUND SIX, 15, 6:30.
IT STAGGERS BECAUSE OF THE HOURS OFFERED TO THE PARENTS.
>> I THINK THE USE IS APPROPRIATE. TAKE CARE AND CHILDCARE IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF THIS AREA AND OTHER COUNTIES AS WELL. I SUPPORT WHAT YOU ARE DOING. AND I THINK MY GUESS IS HE WILL PROBABLY BE FILLED UP BEFORE YOU OPEN THE DOORS.
>> WE HAVE PEOPLE SIGNING UP. WERE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE
GATES. YEAH. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE SEEN TOO MANY INCIDENTS NATIONWIDE ABOUT ON AUTHORIZED PEOPLE ENTERING SCHOOLS AND DOING UNSPEAKABLE THINGS. I ASSUMED YOU HAVE TAKEN CONSIDERED SECURITY INTO CONSIDERATION. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO ADDRESS IT FOR US? >> IT IS DEFINITELY A PRIORITY AND I LIKE OUR VALET SYSTEM BECAUSE IT IS DEFINITELY NUMBER ONE. A TRUSTED FACE AT THE DOOR TALKING TO A PERSON. THAT SECURITY SYSTEM WILL BE SECURITY DOOR THAT IS A SECOND MEASURE. PARENTS WILL COME IN TO THE PRIMARY DOOR AND THE SECOND STORE IS THE TRUSTED FACE LIKE THE SECRETARY OR ADMINISTRATOR THAT'LL BUST THE PARENTS IN SPECIFICALLY. THE SECOND LINE OF DEFENSE. A LOT OF SCHOOLS HAVE PIN NUMBERS THEY GIVE TO PEOPLE AND WALK-IN. WE WILL NOT ALLOW IT.
IT ALWAYS AS TO BE SOMEBODY PHYSICALLY ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO COME AND WHETHER IT IS A MAINTENANCE PERSON. WE HAVE INFORMATION ON EVERYBODY THAT ENTERS THE BUILDING AND IT CAN BE GRANDPARENTS. I HAD A PARENT THE OTHER DAY GET UPSET BECAUSE WE HAD SOMEBODY ON THE PICKUP LIST, TEACHERS HAVE NEVER SEEN.
THEY WERE UPSETS. REALLY? PRIORITIES. THEY MAY BE ON YOUR PICKUP LIST BUT IF WE'VE NEVER SEEN THEM, WE WILL CARD THEM.
IT IS THAT EXTRA MEASURE WITH DIFFERENTLY PRIDE AND TAKE INTO
CONSIDERATION ESPECIALLY NOW. >> YOU HAVE A RESERVE OFFICER ON SITE? WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN OFFICER IN THAT NATURE. WE HAVE NEVER HAD TO GO TO THAT LEVEL HAVING SECURITY MEASURES IN PLACE WERE ALL EMPLOYEES AND STAFF HAVE HAVE CERTAIN I.D.
CARDS , THE DOORS AUTOMATICALLY LOCK AFTER THE SECOND DELAYS SO THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE TO ENSURE. I'M TALKING WITH MY CONTRACTOR TALKING ABOUT THE BULLETPROOF GLASS OF SOME SORT. THAT WE WILL ADD THE EXTRA LAYER AS WELL. WE ARE DEFINITELY AWARE OF THE SECURITY ISSUES THAT ARE OUT.
>> THANK YOU, >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL ALSO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MAKE SURE WE COVER EVERYTHING'S THE STAFF IS LOOKING FOR.
>> I MOVED TO APPROVE 202 E- 0060. UV. WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE COMMISSIONER WORKS TO THE STAFF AND ANY REMAINING
ISSUES TO BE RESOLVED. >> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? CONGRATULATIONS, WORK WITH STAFF AND WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU, WE APPRECIATE IT. >> NEXT WE HAVE THE MINOR
[H. (V) Meyer Variances - Additional. ]
VARIANCES EDITION. DOCKET NUMBER PTZ 202400059 VARIANCE.DOCKET NUMBER PC 20, ARE YOU FINE IF I READ ALL OF THESE? 204 204063. PC 202065. PC 20400 PC 204-0066. MPC 202-4067. I THINK I GOT ALL THE ZEROES. PETITIONER?
>> GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW
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FIRM OF -- FOR 1100 AND ANY JOBLESS. I'M WITH -- THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE HERE IN 2015, 2018, A FEW OF YOU AT LEAST. YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS PROJECT. WE BROUGHT IT THROUGH THE RELATED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THIS PROPERTY. AND, WE ARE HERE SEEKING A HANDFUL OF VARIANCES RELATED TO RECONSTRUCTING THAT SITE WITH THE FUTURE INTENTION OF THE MYERS BUILDING IN THE FUTURE HOME ON THE SITE. A NUMBER OF YEARS HAVE PASSED AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED BOTH IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THE ECONOMY AND WE ARE ASKING FOR A HANDFUL OF MODIFICATIONS RELATED TO THE SITE PLAN AS IT EXISTS TODAY. THERE ARE FIVE VARIANCES IF YOU READ INTO THE RECORD. I CLASSIFY THIS THREE AS ARCHITECTURAL AND TWO MORE SITE PLAN DESIGN WALK-THROUGH EACH OF THEM BRIEFLY. ON THIS HOME, WE TEND TO USE THREE DIFFERENT ROOF SLOPES. 412, 312, AND A FLAT PORTION OF THE ROOF. THE FLAT PORTION WILL BE FOR OUTDOOR PATIO SPACE. THOSE ARE TECHNICALLY ROOTS. ESPECIALLY OVER THE GARAGE.THEY WILL BE FLAT AREAS IMPROVES WITH THE APPROPRIATE MATERIAL FOR YOU TO UTILIZE SPACES AND FEEDS INTO THE SECOND VARIANCE WHICH RELATES TO A PORTION OF THE ROUGH MATERIAL AND IT'LL HAVE A ROOF MEMBRANE AND A COMPOSITE MATERIAL UTILIZED LIKE A DECK WILL BE. THE MATERIALS WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE NECESSARILY FROM THAT GRADE. BUT IT WILL ALLOW FOR THE OUTDOOR USE SPACE, SPECIFICALLY OVER THE GARAGE.
THE GARAGE IS ONE OF THE NEATER CHANGES HAPPENING SINCE WE WERE HERE IN 2018. WE DID NOT , THE ORIGINAL DESIGN DID NOT HAVE AN ATTACHED GARAGE TO THE PRIMARY HOME. IF ANY REVISED PLANS FOR THIS PROPOSED ELEVATION AND DESIGN. WE BELIEVE THAT THE SLOPE VARIANCE IS APPROPRIATE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. THERE ARE MULTIPLE ROOF PITCHES UTILIZED HERE RETHINK AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF ARCHITECTURAL ENTRY. USING THE LOWER PATIENT ALLOWS US TO BE AT A SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR HEIGHT TO THE 80 YEAR. IT IS LOWER THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE 2018 FOR THE PRIMARY HOME. WITHIN AN INCH OR TWO OF THE 80 HEIGHT. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT AS WELL AND SOMETHING WOULD CONSIDER WHEN DESIGNING THE REVISION. SECOND VARIANCE RELATES TO THE ROUGH MATERIAL. REQUESTED HERE. THE MEMBRANE WHICH I SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT. THAT IS FOR THE FLAT AREAS.
THAT'LL BE COVERED EFFECTIVELY WITH THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL.
THE SECOND IS THE USE OF METAL MATERIAL AND METAL SEEN ROOFING. WITH THE DESIGN, THE ELEVATION PROPOSED. AT SOME ARCHITECTURAL ENTRY. IT IS APPROPRIATE AND DOES NOT IMPACT THE USE OF VALUE WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY . THE THIRD VARIANCE RELATES TO THE BUILDING MATERIALS. THE ELEVATION BUILDING MATERIAL. THE ELEVATION HAS FOUR DIFFERENT MATERIALS INCLUDING LIMESTONE AND STONE. THE ORIGINAL ELEVATION INCLUDED THREE OF THOSE STONE AND BOARDED -- ELEVATIONS. IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR AND ARCHITECTURALLY SIMILAR TO THE 80 YUAN SCIENCE. WE BELIEVE THE STATIC LOOK HERE FITS WITH WHAT IS ON SITE ALREADY. AND THE MOST VISIBLE ELEVATIONS WILL HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DRIVE.
IT'LL BE IMPROVED WITH THE MOST LIMESTONE STONE BASED WITH THE BOARD ON THE ELEVATION SPECIFICALLY THE WEST ELEVATION. BRING INTO FOURTH AVENUE. PROMOTED AS THE 3% COVERAGE AND 45% IS COMMITTED. ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WITH 2018 VARIANCE WAS DEDICATION OF EASEMENT ON THE SOUTHERN
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PORTION. THAT SHRUNK A LOT HERE. WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH SETBACKS. IN THE PROPOSED LOCATION. THE OPEN SPACES TO HAVE OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL OUTDOOR SPACE. THE SPACE ON THE ROOF OFFSET SOME OF IT IN NEED FOR THE MYERS AS THEY CONSTRUCT THE PROPERTY. YOU ALSO HAVE TWO OTHER PATIO AREAS AS WELL. THEY DO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUTDOOR USE AND OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AT THIS LOCATION. THE LAST VARIANCE RELATES TO BUILDING MASS. THE PROPERTY HAS TWO , EFFECTIVELY TO FRONT YARDS. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IN 2018, WHEN THE VARIANCES WERE GRANTED TO ALLOW THE USE OF THE EXISTING HOME AS THE TEACHER 80 YOU. WE SET IN MOTION OF THE PROCESS OF HAVING TO FRONT DOORS ON THE TWO FRONT YARDS. YOU HAVE A DEPTH OF 66 FEEDS FROM EAST TO WEST. YOU HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NORTH TO SOUTH. THE GOAL HERE IS TO HAVE A FRONT DOOR THAT IS READILY AVAILABLE AND VISIBLE AND THEN FROM FOURTH AVENUE. WE BELIEVE THE APPROPRIATE ORIENTATION. GIVEN THE LOT DESIGN. WE THINK IT IS A BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC WAS TRAVELING BY ON FOURTH STREET AND SET OF LOOKING AT THE SIDE ELEVATION. YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATED FRONT DOOR. WHICH WE THINK IS AN ATTRACTIVE LOOK.YOU HAVE LANDSCAPING THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE FRONT YARD.
THAT BENEFITS THE JOINING USES AS WELL AS THE USERS OF THE HOME. IT WILL BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR ON THE COUPLE OF BLOCKS THERE ARE MANY HOMES ORIENTED TOWARD. ON THE EAST AND WEST STREET IN THE SOUTH STREET. IT IS A DESIGN CHOICE EVERYBODY WILL BE PROUD OF WHEN IT IS COMPLETED. A TYPICAL IN THE MEETING ON THE VICINITY. HOMES AT THE NEARBY VICINITY. THERE ARE A LOT THAT HAD A SIMILAR DEPTH FROM NORTH TO SOUTH ALONG THE NARROW LOTS. ADMITTEDLY, THEY ARE NOT ORIENTED ON A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE MASKING PERSPECTIVE NEARBY. FROM THE FOOT AND PERCENTAGE OF LOTS THAT WE THINK ARE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR. THAT IS NINE MINUTES ON FIVE VARIANCES. CHINA EFFICIENT TONIGHT. WE BELIEVE ALL FIVE OF THE VARIANCES STAND READY FOR YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT. WE APPRECIATE WORKING WITH STAFF BEING RESPONSIVE AND HELPFUL TO US AS WE WORK THROUGH AND WE INCORPORATE THE MATERIAL SINCE THE RECORD. INCLUDING THE PROPOSED FINDINGS. WITH TONIGHT'S VARIANCES.
>> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:30 -- 6:34 AND FIVE SECONDS. ANYBODY WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK IN
FAVOR OR AGAINST? YES, SIR? >> HI, HOW ARE YOU? MY NAME IS MARK STUDEBAKER, I LIVED DIRECTLY BEHIND THE HOME. 330 2ND ST., SOUTHWEST, DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH. THERE ARE PARTS OF THE VARIANCE THAT I OPPOSE. I LIVE BACK TO THE RIGHT. I LIVE RIGHT HERE. THE REASON I OPPOSE THE 55 TO 70 FOOT EXTENSION IS THIS WAS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING IS WHAT I WAS TOLD THE STRUCTURE THEY ARE ADDING TO. THE CURRENT PRIMARY RESIDENCE OF THE PROPERTY THAT OWNS HERE. I FEEL IT IS UNDULY TAKING THE PRIVACY AWAY FROM MY HOME. THIS IS THEIR HOME. THE GARAGE
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SHOULD BE IN THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE. WITH NO WINDOWS. AS WELL AS ANY POSSIBILITY OF THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER. I PROPOSE THE ACCESSORY HOMES BE SHIFTED AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. AND I'M GOING TO DO IT WRONG. THEY HAVE A GARAGE. THIS AREA HERE, I PROPOSE THE HOUSE GET MOVED TO CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE ACCESSORY BUILDING BECAUSE OF PEOPLE CREATE A LACK OF PRIVACY ISSUES, IT SHOULD BE TO THE CURRENT OWNER, NOT MYSELF.SHIFTING THE HOUSE THIS WAY AWAY FROM OUR HOME. MAKING IT MORE OF A COMMON AREA BACK HERE IN THE BACKYARD. IF THERE IS A LACK OF PRIVACY THAT'LL BE CREATED, SHOULD NOT BE CREATED ON MY HOME THAT IS BACKED BE ADDED TO THE ACCESSORY BUILDING STRUCTURE. ONLY HOME BUILT ON OUR STREET THAT IS EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO THIS BACKED PROPERTY LINE LIKE THIS HAS A REAR SIDE LOAD GARAGE. I UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE PUTTING MORE CONCRETE FOR THE DRIVE IN THE BACK. IT WILL CREATE ISSUES WITH THE LOT COVERAGE. THE PROPOSAL FROM THE 4523% WILL BE EVEN GREATER. I HAD WRITTEN THE ROOF PITCH ON THEIR AND I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE ROOF PITCHES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT IS FINE. MY CONCERN IS WILL IT NEGATIVELY IMPACT DEPENDING ON WHERE THE ROOF GOES? ON ANY STRUCTURES WITH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO IT. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. THE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS AMOUNT OF THE CURRENT INTENT CAN CHANGE WITH THE CURRENT OWNER OR ANY FEATURE. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WHEN I SAW THE SIZE OF THAT BUILDING AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I ACTUALLY NOTE IT IS. SEEMS REALLY LARGE FRONT ACCESSORY BUILDING. I'M CONCERNED THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T PRESENT RENTAL HOUSES AS LONG THEIR PAST 30 DAYS, I'M CONCERNED WERE BUILDING AN ACCESSORY RENTAL BUILDING. THIS SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF VARIANCES ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY. I DON'T WANT TO OPPOSE MY NEIGHBOR BECAUSE WE ARE NEIGHBORS. DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. I LOOK AT IT AND SEE IT IS MY LACK OF PRIVACY BEING VIOLATED. NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THEIR LACK OF PRIVACY. TAKE YOU FOR YOUR
TIME. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:38. I'M SAYING, 638.
PETITIONER? YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
>> UP TO FIVE MINUTES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT ALL.
>> I WILL START WITH A CLARIFYING COMMENT. BY YOUR OWN ORDINANCE, AND TO BECOME THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS THE LARGER OF THE TWO STRUCTURES. MYERS WILL LIVE IN THE NEW HOME BEING CONSTRUCTED WITH THEIR DAUGHTER AND GRANDDAUGHTER. IN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT PROPOSED. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR THE SETBACK VARIANCE RELATED TO THE REAR YARD IN THIS LOCATION. I WILL POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS ON THE ELEVATION THAT ARE IN THE FILE. BUT I MARKED THEM UP SO I CAN TRY TO EASILY SHOW THEM TO YOU. LET ME SEE BY CAN DO THIS CORRECTLY. OKAY. PERFECT. THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION THAT'LL BE TO THE HOME. FIRST FOUR WONDERS ON THE BATHROOM. THOSE OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY CLOSEST. THOSE WINDOWS ARE OVER THE STAIRWELL. THAT PROPOSED IN THE SECOND FLOOR AND THESE ARE THE BEDROOMS. FROM THE SETBACK PERSPECTIVE. YOU HAVE A 10 FOOT EASEMENT AND A 5 FOOT SETBACK WHICH IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES. THE SECOND FLOOR IS
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OFFSET SIGNIFICANTLY. 13 FEEDBACK TO THE SECOND FLOOR WITH THE WINDOWS ABOVE THE STAIRS AND A LITTLE BIT TO THAT BEDROOM WINDOW. YOU HAVE APPROXIMATELY ALMOST 30 FEET FROM THE NEAREST WINDOW TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY HAS PRIVACY FENCE AS WELL AND THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS WE THINK LIKELY WILL NOT BE IMPACTED. AS I MENTIONED, THE CHANGE HERE HAS BEEN TO HAVE AN ATTACHED GARAGE. THIS ATTACHED GARAGE DID NOT EXIST IN 2018. IT IS ONE OF THE BIGGER CHANGES THAN THE STYLE THAT HAS CHANGED FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED. THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED. SOME OF THE CHANGES TO THE ORIENTATION ON THE LOT. THE ROOF MATERIAL. WE DON'T BELIEVE WOULD BE REFLECTIVE MATERIAL. THE MIDDLE THEME IS INCLUDED. THE ELEVATIONS CALLOUTS WILL BE DARK WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE CONTEMPLATED TO BE AS PART OF THE PROPOSAL. WE DO THINK THIS ORIENTATION THE GARAGE WERE TO BE ADDED AS A SECOND CURB CUT OFF A FOURTH STREETS. WE THINK IT IS MORE HARMFUL AND MORE IMPACTFUL TO HAVE A GARAGE THAT OF IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY OWNER INSTEAD OF INTERNAL TO THE SITE AS IT IS HERE. THE MAJORITY OF HOMES NEARBY WILL HAVE INTERNAL GARAGES. ON A COURTYARD OR OTHERWISE PROTECTED FROM BEING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE SITE PLAN IS IN PERFORMANCE WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR THOSE REASONSWE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU.
>> MAY I SAY SOMETHING ELSE? >> NO. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. IT IS THE WAY IT IS DESIGNED.
>> THANK YOU. IN GENERAL, PLANNING STAFF IS SUPPORTED OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST WITH THE PETITIONER ADDRESSING ALL OF THE REMAINING REVIEW COMMENTS. AND HAVING HEARD TESTIMONY FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS. WE DO HAVE THAT YOU CONSIDER SHIFTING THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT NORTH AT LEAST 10 OR 20 FEET TO GET THAT SEPARATION TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING AND
THINGS LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. >>
>> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANY THOUGHTS
>> YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
>> THANK YOU. >> GENTLEMEN, CAN HE COME BACK TO THE MICROPHONE WAS TO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
>> HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAY, LACK OF PRIVACY. FOR YOURSELF, WHAT IS IT REALLY MEAN?
>> YOU PUT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WHICH WE FOUND IS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. IF THAT IS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, THAT SHIPS THE FRONT BUILDING TO AN ACCESSORY BUILDING. IS THIS CORRECT? WHY CAN A HOUSE NOT BE ATTACHED NOW TO THE GARAGE? THAT IS ALREADY THERE IS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING SHOULD NOT NEED ANOTHER GARAGE. THE PRIVACY IN THE BACK IS UNDULY UNNECESSARILY FOR A SECOND STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.
WHICH IS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE WE WERE TOLD WAS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING. I'M NOT SEEING ANY REASON WHY THE TWO-PART GARAGE, THE HOUSE CANNOT SHIFT FORWARD AS IT IS AND THAT CAN BE THE GARAGE FOR THE PROPERTY PLUS IT IS A SIDE LOAD WHICH IS REQUIRED. I KNOW IT IS A PAIN IN THE BUTT BUT HAS PUT MINE ON THE BACK OF MY HOUSE. FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IT ALSO CREATES PRIVACY BY THE GARAGE BEING IN THE BACK. IF THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS CONDUCIVE THAT YOU WANT TO DO, MY FEELING IS YOU NEED TO MOVE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE IS WHERE THAT GARAGE IS. IT'S BEEN TOWED AS THE PRIMARY BECOMING THE PRIMARY GARAGE. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED AN ACCESSORY -- A SECOND GARAGE FOR AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.
>> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. DOES MEET REQUIRED SETBACKS WHERE IT IS,
>> WE USE THOSE ALL OVER TOWN? IF YOU MADE IT, WE HAVE NO
PROBLEM WITH THAT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> THERE ARE QUITE VARIANCES BE REQUESTED ON TOP AT TWO GRANTED
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2018. WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT AS A WHOLE.>> YOU'RE GOOD. >> I LOOK LESS ON THE NUMBER VARIANCES AS TO WHY THEY ARE ASKING FOR GRANTS. CONSIDER SOME LESS CRITICAL THAN OTHERS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS? >> WE HEARD ENTRY FROM THE PETITIONER THAT THE NEW PRIMARY RESIDENCE SOUTH END OF THE LOT WILL BECOME IN THEIR VIEW, THE PRIMARY BUILDING. THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND EXISTING HOME AT THE NORTH END OF THE LOT BECOMES THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SIMPLY BECAUSE I GUESS BECAUSE
ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE OTHER? >> IT IS MOSTLY DUE BACK IN 2018. THEY RECEIVED THE VARIANCE TO HAVE THE ACCESSORY DURING THE SETBACK. PUT IN PLACE BACK THEN. KNOWING THAT NOW IN THE FUTURE. THE PRIMARY HOUSE WOULD BE BUILT AND AN EXISTING HOUSE BECOMES THE ACCESSORY DWELLING.
>> THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS NOT YET TO BE BUILT.
>> CORRECT. THAT'LL BE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ALSO?
>> THAT ONE ASSUME BECAUSE PETITIONER'S CALLING AT THAT.
>> YOU COULD ARGUE IT IS BIGGER THAN THE EXISTING HOUSE. YOU
COULD CALL IT THE PRIMARY. >> IN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BE LOCATED THAT FAR OFF OF THE FRONT ELEVATION? OR WAS THERE A VARIANCE GRANTED IN 2018. THAT ACCOUNTS FOR WHAT IS NOW GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE SET FAR BACK OFF THE FIRST STREET.
>> INTO THOUSAND 18, THE VARIANCE WAS GRANTED FOR THE ACCESSORY DWELLING SETBACK TO SIT IN FRONT OF WITH THE NEW HOUSE WOULD BE. TYPICALLY. YOU HAVE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE CLOSER TO THE STREET TO THE NORTH. BUT IN THIS CASE, IT IS FLIPPED. THE VARIANCE WAS APPROVED, AND 2018.
>> IN 2018, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD THEN. BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A SETBACK VARIANCE FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. NOW, WE ARE HEARING THIS REALLY IS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. DOES THE VARIANCE, STILL APPLY?
>> I THINK IT DOES. REGARDING THE SETBACKS. IT COMPLIES WITH ALL SETBACKS BECAUSE IT IS A MINIMUM OF 5 FEET FROM THE EAST AND SOUTH. ANNA FALLS IN LINE TO THE WEST WITH THE DOMINANT OR AVERAGE SETBACK ALONG FOURTH AVENUE. THOSE ARE ALL IN
COMPLIANCE. >> IS THERE NO MAXIMUM SETBACK?
>> NO, NOT IN OLD TOWN. >> OKAY.
>> AND THE STRUCTURE IS WITHIN THE SETBACK ALONG THE SOUTH
PROPERTY LINE ? >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> TO CLARIFY. WHEN I DOWNLOADED THIS, I LOST THE ABILITY TO ZOOM AND READ THE DETAILS. THAT IS A DRIVEWAY ESSENTIALLY THAT SEPARATES THE SMALL ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE EXISTING GARAGE? SEPARATED FROM THE PROPOSED HOME BY A DRIVEWAY FOR WHAT BECOME THE BATCH IN THE NEW HOME?
>> WHERE IS THE DRIVEWAY? TO THE PROPOSED GARAGE. IT DOESN'T LOOK CLEAR ON THE SITE PLAN BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL CONTINUE ALONG THE EAST DRIVEWAY. CAN HAVE THE PETITIONER POINTED OUT PLEASE?
>> THIS IS A NEW AREA THAT IT BE CONNECTED TO THIS.
>> THIS NEW GARAGE. PART OF ANY STRUCTURE.
>> THERE IS NO EASEMENT OR ALLEY OR ANYTHING ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE? IS THIS CORRECT? EAST IS ON THERE.
>> THERE IS NONE. >> THE ONLY ACCESS WOULD BE
FROM FIRST OR FOURTH. >> THERE WILL BE NO ACCESS FOR
>> THE ONLY ACCESS POINT IS HERE.
>> WHAT IS THE CURVED LINE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE THE SOUTH
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END OF THE APRON IN FRONT OF THE FREESTANDING GARAGE?>> CURVE THE ONE. >> THE TOP RIGHT CORNER OF THAT
GARAGE. >> WHAT IS THE LINE REPRESENT?
>> THAT REPRESENTS THE EXISTING BOUNDS OF THE DRIVEWAY. IT'LL BE EXPANDED. THAT IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
>> EXISTING TO THE LEFT OF THE LINE PROPOSE TO THE RIGHT OF
>> WHAT IS THE DASH LINE? YES, THAT ONE.
>> EITHER SEWER OR DRAIN. WITH THE PREVIOUS STORM DRAIN.
>> OKAY. CAN THAT BE BUILT ABOVE?
>> IT CAN BE PAVED ABOVE BUT YOU COULD NOT PUT A STRUCTURE
ABOVE THE. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> I GUESS I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE I THOUGHT A PRIMARY BUILDING HAD TO BE ON SITE BEFORE AN ACCESSORY USE BUILDING CAN BE CREATED. HOW IS IT THAT WE ARE REGENERATING AN ACCESSORY USE BUILDING AHEAD OF THE PRIMARY YOU STRUCTURE? WAS IT A VARIANCE THAT OCCURRED IN 2018?
>> PART OF THE APPROVAL WAS A COMMITMENT FROM THE OWNER THEY WOULD USE THAT , THE NORTH BUILDING IS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE UNTIL THEY BUILT THE SECOND ONE.
>> WHAT WOULD OCCUR ON THE SITE PLAN NOW THAT WE HAVE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE INTO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES?
>> THAT BEING THE GARAGE DETACHED GARAGE AND THE ACCESSORY BUILDING UNIT. AND IS THAT PERMITTED?
>> YES. >> OKAY. I'M A LITTLE BIT TAKEN ABACK. FROM THE STANDPOINTS THAT FEELS THAT WE PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. NOW WE HAVE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE BUILT AFTER ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY ON THE SIDE. I'M A
LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BY THAT. >> IN 2018, THE VARIANCES WERE GOING TO TRY TO CUE ALL OF IT UP FOR THE SECOND FINAL PHASE.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? GO FOR IT. YOU'VE
BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT. >> THE DRIVEWAY IS ALONG THAT EAST. YOU DRIVE IN IS THE FIRST ROUTE?
>> I DON'T THINK HE NEEDS TO SHOW ME. THERE WILL BE ANY ADDRESS THOUGH ON FOURTH. FOURTH AVENUE. BECAUSE THAT IS THE FRONT NOW. RIGHT. THAT IS THE PRIMARY BUILDING NOW. IS THIS NOT ANY ADDRESS IF IT IS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON IT? I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY DO THE ADDRESSING, BUT I'M SURE IT'S WHERE THE MAILBOX ACCESS FROM. SO, FROM FOURTH AVENUE? OKAY.
THERE'S NO ACCESS FROM IT. >> THEY OWN EVERYTHING AND ARE NOT SUBDIVIDED IT IS STILL ONE LOTS.
>> YET. REGARDING THE PRIVACY. THE SETBACK IS MATT'S , THE REQUIREMENT IS MET. WAS THERE A HEIGHT VARIANCE? THERE'S NOT ONE TODAY. WAS THERE ONE IN 2018, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
>> I DON'T THINK SO. TO OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> GOODBYE. >> ANGIE, IN YOUR CONVERSATION, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE STAFF IS IN FAVOR OF THIS IN ADDITION TO THEM MOVING THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO THE NORTH TOWARD
THE GARAGE. >> IT WAS CONSIDERING THE TESTIMONY WOULD HEARD THIS EVENING FROM THE NEIGHBOR. BUT ALSO, SEEING THAT THERE IS A DRAIN THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF
IT IS POSSIBLE. >> IS IT ILLEGAL DRAIN OR? DRAINS CAN BE ADJUSTED I GUESS. BUT IF , THIRD EASEMENT FOR THE
LEGAL DRAIN? >> I DON'T SEE ANY LEGAL
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DRAINS THAT COME UP ON THE GIS MAP.>> IN THAT CASE, SEEMS TO BE LIKE THAT IS A SITUATION THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED DURING CONSTRUCTION IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED FURTHER NORTH TO GET THE BUILDING ADJUSTED AS WELL. I THINK I AM AGREEING WITH YOU. WITH THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD. IT'LL BE MORE SATISFIED IF THE BUILDING REMOVED FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY. THE PETITION PROBABLY HAS LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK TO DO TO SEE THE DRAIN CAN BE
ADJUSTED. I'M DONE. >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY. HOMES ARE NOT MASSIVELY DISTANCED AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. WE ARE MEETING THE SETBACKS. IT IS ONEROUS TO ASK THEM TO MOVE THAT FAR. THE ONLY USABLE WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR I'M ASSUMING ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ON A LADDER USED ABOVE THE STAIRWAY. ONCE IN THE BEDROOM SOMEWHERE AROUND 30 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING SOMETHING YOU MAKE SOMEBODY MOVES AN ENTIRE STRUCTURE FOUR.
I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT, RESPECTIVELY. WE HAVE PRETTY ONEROUS RULES IN THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY. THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE PROPERTY LINE. I WOULD NOT SUPPORT
MOVING THE BUILDING. >> ONE MORE THING ON PRIVACY.
THIS FLAT ROOF, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS. IT
COULD BE USED AS A DECK. >> I'M TRYING TO PUT IT WHERE
YOU CAN SEE IT. >> THIS IS THE GARAGE. FACES NORTH ON THE NORTH END. THAT'S THE OUTDOOR DECK AREA.
>> OKAY, GOT IT. THAT IS CLEARER PICTURE.
>> DID I SEE AN OUTDOOR DECK ON THE SOUTH SIDE?
>> IS A PATIO OUT OF THIS. HERE.
>> IS IT OFF OF IT? >> THE LANDING OF THE STAIRS THAT ARE HERE. IT'LL BE A LANDING FACING OUT TOWARD NORTH STREET. IT'LL BE A FRONT PATIO.
>> IS THE WALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE BLOCKING VISUALLY , LET ME SEE THE LOOK ON THE ELEVATION. TWO PETITIONERS ARE SAYING YES.
AND THAT IS HERE. THAT IS FACING OUT TOWARD NORTH STREET.
IT'LL BE ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE AS THE WINDOWS AND BEDROOMS. OFF OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY LINE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR EMOTION? BE SURE TO COVER ALL
THE ASPECTS OF IT. >> I WOULD LIKE A COMMENT.
>> ALL YOU. >> I DISAGREE WITH YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND I'M NOT PREPARED TO VOTE AGAINST THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY CANNOT MOVE. I WELCOME A DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS DECEIVE IT IS POSSIBLE. IF IT IS FEASIBLE AND POSSIBLE BY ALL MEANS, UNDERTAKE IT. IT IS POSSIBLE TO
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BOTH SIDES, THAT IS ALL. >> QUESTION. THE SPACE BETWEEN THE CURRENT DETACHED GARAGE AND THE PROPOSED MAIN BUILDING.
WHAT IS THE USE FOR THAT AREA. WHERE THE SUPPOSE DRAIN IS, WHAT IS THE USE OF THAT AREA? NOT A DRIVEWAY.
>> THAT'LL BE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE OR OUTDOOR ACTIVITY
SPACE. >> I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP. I CAN ANSWER A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION WHY I AM MOVING AND COULD BE A CHALLENGE IN ADDITION TO THE DRAIN BUT I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP THE QUESTION ASKED.
>> ANSWER THE QUESTION PLEASE.
>> WE HAVE MANEUVERABILITY. HE STARTS PUSHING GARAGES CLOSER TOGETHER YOU HAVE POTENTIAL MANEUVERABILITY ISSUES IN AND OUT OF THE GARAGE IS GIVEN THAT YOU ARE BACKING IN. BACKING ENTER BACKING OUT OF THE LOCATIONS. THAT IS PART OF THAT SPACE. IN ADDITION TO THE DRAIN. EASEMENT. THE DRAIN LOCATION. WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS AN EASEMENT THERE.
THAT IS PART OF THE REASON FOR THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO
GARAGES. >> SO, GIVEN THAT THIS IS IN THE OLD TOWN AREA. WE HAVE THINGS A LOT CLOSER TOGETHER.
THE INTENT IS TO BE URBAN AND DENSE AND THE FACT THAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE NEEDING AND WANTING TO HAVE TWO HOMES OR MAIN HOME AND ANOTHER STRUCTURE ON A LOTS BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES AGING PARENTS AND CHILDREN, WHATEVER IT IS AND TO HAVE THE SPACE IN THE MIDDLE FOR ENJOYMENTS I THINK IS IMPORTANCE I THINK A HOPE WITH RESALE EVENTUALLY TWO. WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS IT EVENTUALLY, THEY WILL WANTS, ANYWAY, THAT'S MY OPINION. I THINK I ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS, THAT'S ALL I HAD ABOUT PRIVACY. THIS IS MESSY. THERE ARE SO MANY VARIANCES. AND VARIANCES OFF OF VARIANCES. BUT AT THE END, THERE IS NOTHING THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT INFRINGES ON PRIVACY WITH THE INTENT OF THIS AREA. I'M FINE WITH IT AS IT IS UNPREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUMP AHEAD OF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTS.
>> I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. I AGREE 100%. IF I OWNED BOTH HOUSES, I WANT AN AREA BETWEEN HOUSES BEGIN TO GATHER. IF YOU TAKE 10 FEET OF THAT AWAY, YOU CREATE SPACE BETWEEN YOU AND THE NEIGHBOR THAT MIGHT BE USED FOR GATHERING. IF I WERE A NEIGHBOR, I'D RATHER HAVE THE GATHERING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY THAN THE EDGE. I AGREE WITH WHAT HE SAID. NOT TO PILE ON THIS NECESSARILY BUT THE ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED WAS ONE OF PRIVACY, AND OUT OF MASSING.
NOT THAT THE HOUSE IS TO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH BUT RATHER THE PRIVACY ISSUE IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT THE PETITIONERS CAN DO WITH RESPECT TO REORIENTING WINDOWS RAISING WINDOWS THINGS OF THAT ORDER. THAT TRULY ADDRESS PRIVACY, I AGREE. MOVING THE HOUSE AND OPEN SPACES IS IMPORTANT ESPECIALLY WITH THREE GENERATIONS LIVING HERE. I DON'T THINK MOVING THE HOUSE GETS TO THE HEART OF THE OBJECTION. THAT HAS BEEN RAISED. POSSIBLY RECONFIGURING THE WINDOWS A BIT. COULD DO SOME OF IT OR BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WINDOWS.
THOSE ARE 6 FEET ABOVE THE FLOOR OF THE LANDING OF THE STAIRWAY. NOBODY'S LOOKING AT THOSE WINDOWS ANYWAY. THAT IS AN UNDERTAKING THAT CONTINUES BEYOND THE MEETING. THE FIVE VARIANCES THAT ARE SOFT TONIGHT ARE MOSTLY ARCHITECTURAL IN NATURE NOT THOSE OF SIDING OR MASSING OR SETBACK RESTRICTIONS
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DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS?>> I MOVE. WE ADOPT -- I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT OR VOTE FOR ALL OF THE DOCKETS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.
>> WITH? PETITIONER ADDRESSING ALL REMAINING REVIEW COMMENTS AND RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS. IN ADOPTING THE FINDING AS FACT.
THAT'S WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY. THE SECOND. SECOND.
>> ANY DISCUSSION? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? WHEREVER YOU
ARE? MOVE FORWARD. >> OKAY, I WILL.
>> SEEING NOTHING ELSE BEFORE IS, ANY NEW BUSINESS? OLD BUSINESS?
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