Jun 17, 2024 City Council Meeting 06-17-2024

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

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I AM CALLING THIS MEETING OF THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. WE HAVE A QUORUM TONIGHT. FOR TONIGHT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE THE MOTION AND A SECOND. I AM CALLING THIS -- THE VOTE IS 9-0. THE AGENDA

[3. INVOCATION]

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[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> THANK YOU. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING

[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]

>> ALL RIGHT. >> GO AHEAD.

>> I REPRESENT AND WANT TO EXPRESS TO CITY COUNCIL BOTH THE LAND USE COMMITTEE AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION AND UNDERSTANDING IN THE WHOLE PROCESS. YOU ARE BEING VERY FORTHRIGHT. AND CONGENIAL THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. SAME FOR ERICA FROM INDUSTRIES AND . WE LEARNED A LOT IN THE PROCESS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT TO MAKE THIS COME OUT TO A GOOD ENDING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NOW I WILL CALL UP THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE A BLUE CARD FOR JACKSON GRANT. YOU CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO COME UP AT THIS TIME ARE HOLD OFF UNTIL THE PUBLIC

HEARING. COURTNEY . >> I WILL WAIT.

>> OKAY. NANCY. PAUL MORRISON . ALL RIGHT. I HAVE ONE BLUE

[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]

MOVING ONTO COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS. ANY

COMMENTS OR OBSERVATIONS? >> I WANTED TO GIVE A CHANCE TO

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ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS DURING THE SUMMERTIME WE HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES OUT AND THE PARKS GETTING GOOD EXERCISE, AND ALSO GETTING SOME SUN EXPOSURE. WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON A PROJECT TO HELP MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF MELANOMA. I HAVE A YOUNG MAN WHO WILL BE HERE TONIGHT TO

TALK ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY. >> COULD YOU INTRODUCE HIM?

>> SURE. THIS IS , DOCTOR, I SHOULD SAY BUT I HAVE KNOWN HIM SO LONG THAT I FORGOT. HE IS PURSUING HIS MD AND WILL BE WORKING IN DERMATOLOGY IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS A PROJECT WE FOUND NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEARTS THAT WE WANTED TO BRING

FORTH TO THE CITY OF CARMEL. >> GO AHEAD. I WILL GIVE YOU A

FEW MINUTES. >> THANK YOU. GREETINGS, CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I AM CURRENTLY A THIRD-YEAR MEDICAL STUDENT AT THE GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE IN WASHINGTON D.C. FOR MY TIME AT GEORGETOWN, I EARNED MY MASTERS IN PUBLIC HEALTH IN DARTMOUTH COLLEGE. HOWEVER, WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT ME IS THAT THE CITY I AM SO PROUD TO CALL HOME IS NONE OTHER THAN CARMEL, WHERE I HAVE LIVED FOR 18 YEARS, WHERE MY FAMILY IS NOW, AND WHERE I INTEND TO RETURN UPON COMPLETION OF MY MEDICAL JOURNEY. I WANT TO BRING AWARENESS TO A CAMPAIGN I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO WORK ON WITH BOTH THE CARMEL PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS DR. JOSHI, TITLED PRACTICE SAVE SKIN. OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS THE INCIDENCE OF MELANOMA HAVE RISEN BY OVER 46% NATIONALLY. WITH CURRENT DATA FROM THE INDIANA DIVISION OF CHRONIC DISEASE, PRIMARY CARE AND RURAL HEALTH REFLECTING A SIMILAR INCREASE OBSERVED HERE WITHIN INDIANA. AS ONE OF INDIANA'S LARGER CITIES, IT IS CRUCIAL TO TAKE STEPS TOWARDS COMBATING THIS PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, IMPACTING AN EVER INCREASING NUMBER OF RESIDENTS. GIVEN HOW DEADLY MELANOMA AND OTHER FORMS OF SKIN CANCER CAN BE, IF NOT CAUGHT AND TREATED EARLY, THE BEST SOLUTION IS SIMPLY PREVENTION. THE MOST EFFECTIVE PREVENTION FOR SKIN CANCER IS SUNSCREEN. IN CONJUNCTION WITH IMPACT MELANOMA, A NATIONAL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION IN ITS 25TH YEAR OF LEADING MELANOMA PREVENTION AND SON SAFETY ADMISSION TIPS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, COUNSELOR , AND OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, MYSELF, AND DERMATOLOGY OFFICES IN THE CARMEL AND INDIANAPOLIS AREA ARE WORKING ON AN INITIATIVE THAT DESIRES TO SEE 10 BROAD-SPECTRUM SPF 30 SON DOES BUT -- SUNSCREEN DISPENSERS PLACED WITHIN THE PARKS IS THE. TO INCREASE ACCESSIBILITY TO A HIGH-QUALITY AND EASY WAY OF KEEPING RESIDENTS SAFE AND HEALTHY, WE HOPE TO DO OUR PART IN COMBATING A GROWING PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, WHILE ALSO SHOWING THAT THE CITY OF CARMEL HAS WHAT IT TAKES TO LEAD THE CHARGE INTO THE FUTURE AND SERVE AS A BEACON OF EXCELLENCE WITHIN THE REALM OF PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND DISEASE PREVENTION. I WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK OR INQUIRIES FROM THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH

FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR OBSERVATIONS? ALL RIGHT. MAYOR?

>> MY NAME IS DAVID. I WAS A FIFTH GRADER AT PERRY CHASE ELEMENTARY AND WILL BE GOING TO CLAY MIDDLE SCHOOL NEXT YEAR.

I'M HAPPY TO PRESENT THE MAYOR'S REPORT TONIGHT. THE U.S. OLYMPIC TEAM TRIALS IN INDIANAPOLIS HAVE BEGUN. WE HAVE 14 SWIMMERS FROM CARMEL THROUGH CLUB WHO QUALIFIED FOR THESE TRIALS. AS OF TODAY, ONE SWIMMER, HAS ALREADY QUALIFIED FOR THE OLYMPIC GAMES IN PARIS IN JULY. WE HAVE TEMPORARILY CHANGED OUR WELCOME SIGNS TO SAY , SWIM CITY, USA, TO HONOR THE FACT THAT WE GROW SWIMMERS HERE. SWIM CITY USA T-SHIRTS ARE ALSO FOR SALE IN ALL THINGS CARMEL. YOU CAN WORK -- LOOK FOR MORE PROMOTIONAL OPPORTUNITIES IN JULY AHEAD OF THE OLYMPICS. THIS OFFER -- OFFICERS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL CARMEL'S STORE. I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR ADDING ON THE ITEM TO CREATE A NEW POSITION FOR CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL. THIS POSITION WILL BE IMPORTANT TO CREATE A LONG-TERM CAPITAL ASSET PLAN AND BETTER COORDINATES OF ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURAL ACTIVITIES.

AS WE OF GOD, IT IS IMPORTANT ARE PEOPLE AND INFRASTRUCTURE GOES TO WHILE OPERATING WITHIN OUR. LASTLY, A NEW FIRE CHIEF

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>> THANK YOU, DAVID. YOU DID A GREAT JOB. SORRY I PUT THE WORD INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE.

FOR REGULAR SWIM CITY USA SURE IT'S . IT IS BEEN A FUN THING TO DO TO HIGHLIGHT THE INCREDIBLE LEGACY OF THE CARMEL SWIM CLUB AND THE ACADEMY BUILT HERE ALONG WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS. THERE IS A VIDEO OF SOMETHING IN MIDTOWN RIGHT NOW.

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>> THIS IS A HEADLINE THAT HIT TODAY. USA TODAY HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS. A STORY WE PITCHED . WAS ALSO ON YAHOO SPORTS . IT IS GETTING BROAD PLAY TO HIGHLIGHT OUR INCREDIBLE COMMUNITY THAT IS LADEN WITH SWIMMING TALENT AND HAS SO MANY OTHER GREAT THINGS ABOUT IT. I SENT THAT OUT TO THE COUNCIL TODAY. YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT IN YOUR INBOX. WE ARE INCREDIBLY PROUD OF THE COMMUNITY OF SWIMMERS. IF YOU WATCHED YESTERDAY, THERE WAS GREAT DRAMA WITH ERIN SHAKELL . HE HAS SWAM 1400 OR 1600 METERS IN 24 HOURS. HE WILL BE SWIMMING THE FINALS TONIGHT. I'M HOPING TO GET SOME REPORTERS TO GET INTERVIEWS TONIGHT. I WILL BE LEAVING HERE SHORTLY. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS INITIATIVE. WE HAVE CHANGED THE SIGNS TO SAY SWIM CITY USA. WILL CHANGE THEM AGAIN BEFORE THE OLYMPICS TO TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF QUALIFIERS WE HAVE. ARE YOU OKAY IF WE DO A PHOTO TOGETHER?

>> DO WE NEED A VOTE? WERE GOOD.

GATHER .

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE AGENDA, CONSENT AGENDA.

APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR JUNE 3, 2024 REGULAR MEETING AND CLAIMS FOR PAYROLL IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,704,921.14 , FOR CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,829,978.08 , AND FOR WIRE TRANSFERS OF $2,864,896.81 . DO I HAVE A MOTION?

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT. DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. CONSENT

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE FIRST D 26, THE COMMITTEE DID ME. WE DISCUSSED THAT THIS IS REGARDING SPEED CONTROL AT THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT OF ROUNDABOUT. A MOTION WAS MADE TO SEND IT BACK WITH A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION THAT DID NOT PASS. HOWEVER, ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP WITH A LACK OF SOME ADDITIONAL DATA. WE MET WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING A SPEED STUDY NEAR

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ORDINANCE D 27 WILL COME BACK TONIGHT. I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN IT IS TIME . THE PROPERTY ABATEMENTS, ALL PROPERTY ABATEMENTS THAT WE LOOKED AT WERE PERFORMING AS EXPECTED.

THEY ARE PERFORMING WITHIN PARAMETERS. WE WOULD RECOMMEND FULL COUNCIL TO KEEP THOSE IN PLACE. I MIGHT JUST REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE ONLY HAD FOUR OF THEM, AND WE USED TO HAVE 12 TO 15. TAX ABATEMENTS ARE NOT A HIGHLY USED TOOL. THANK YOU.

>> LAND USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES.

>> WE MET ON THE WEDNESDAY FOLLOWING THE LAST MEETING.

THAT IS THE STANDARD SCHEDULE AT THE CARMEL LIBRARY. WE DISCUSSED ARTICLE 7 OF THE YOU DO YOU -- UDO . WE WILL BE WORKING ON THE SECOND PART OF IT THIS WEDNESDAY, EXCUSE ME, JUNE 26 . WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH MORE OF ARTICLE 7 OF

[11. OTHER REPORTS]

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11. OF THE REPORTS. FOR STOP -- FIRST UP, PARKS DEPARTMENT. THE JUNE

QUARTERLY REPORT. >> GOOD EVENING , MEMBERS. I AM DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK ONE OF OUR MEMBERS FOR BEING PRESENT TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. A COUPLE OF ITEMS I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT TONIGHT. FIRST OF ALL, I WAS SINCERELY HONORED TO SERVE AS THE ACCREDITATION REVIEW TEAM LEAVE FOR THE COMMISSION FOR ACCREDITATION OF PARK AND RECREATION AGENCIES FOR THEIR FIRST EVER INTERNATIONAL VISIT AT THE U.S. ARMY GARRISON IN GERMANY. I WAS THERE RIGHT BEFORE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. NOT THE MOST IDEAL TIME TO BE OUT OF TOWN, BUT THAT IS WHEN THE VISITS ARE. THIS WAS A REALLY SPECIAL VISIT. THEY HAVE ACCREDITED OVER , AROUND 200 TO 300 AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. BUT WHAT IS NOT KNOWN IS THAT THEY ALSO ACCREDIT FAMILY MORALE , WELFARE AND RECREATION UNITS FOR MILITARY BASES. I WAS FORTUNATE TO LEAD IT FOR YOU SAG, THE UNIT THERE. INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY. I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HOW THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, AND SPECIFICALLY, THE U.S. ARMY, PROVIDES RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES NOT ONLY FOR THEIR SOLDIERS THAT SERVE AND PROTECT OUR COUNTRY, BUT ALSO FOR THE FAMILIES AND SUPPORT PERSONNEL THAT HELP MAKE THAT ALL POSSIBLE. IT WAS TRULY A HUMBLING EXPERIENCE . I MET MANY GREAT PEOPLE AND SAW A WIDE VARIETY OF INSTALLATIONS THAT COMPRISE THE GARRISON IN THE SOUTHWESTERN PART OF GERMANY. I WAS VERY PLEASED TO IDENTIFY THAT THEY MET ALL THE STANDARDS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO, BUT MORE THAN ENOUGH TO RECEIVE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD HIGHLY ANTICIPATE THE COMMISSION WILL GRANT THEIR ACCREDITATION WHEN THEY MEET AT THE OCTOBER NATIONAL CONFERENCE. RELATED TO ACCREDITATION, I AM ALSO PLEASED TO REPORT THAT PARKS AND RECREATION WENT THROUGH THE ACCREDITATION VISIT LASTLY. AND FORTUNATELY, FOR RE-ACCREDITING AGENCIES, IT IS STILL VIRTUAL, SOMETHING I AM ADVOCATING TO MOVE AGAINST BECAUSE I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR, NOT ONLY THE ACCREDITATION TEAM, BUT FOR THE AGENCY AND THE COMMUNITY, TO HAVE THAT IN PERSON EXPERIENCE. NONETHELESS, WE HAD A WONDERFUL VISIT. THERE WERE TWO VISITORS, ONE FROM CHICAGOLAND AREA, ONE FROM OUT EAST, THAT REVIEWED ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTATION. WE RECEIVED A VERY FAVORABLE EXIT INTERVIEW WITH HIM LAST THURSDAY. BASED ON THEIR FEEDBACK, I DON'T BELIEVE WE MISSED ANY STANDARDS. I HIGHLY ANTICIPATE ACCREDITATION IN OCTOBER. VERY IMPORTANT . THE THING THAT'S

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OBVIOUSLY, WERE ALSO A TWO-TIME NATIONAL GOLD MEDAL AWARD WINNING AGENCY. ACCREDITATION IS ABOUT THE BEST PRACTICES.

GOLD MEDAL IS ABOUT THE INNOVATION CREATION TO LEAD THE INDUSTRY. BOTH ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US. BOTH ARE , NOT NECESSARILY FOR US TO RECEIVE THE AWARDS, ALTHOUGH THOSE ARE INCREDIBLE, WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT THEY ARE VALIDATION WE TRULY ARE SERVING THE COMMUNITY AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS. THAT IS WHAT WE STRIVE FOR EVERY DAY. CHANGING GEARS A LITTLE BIT, BACK THIS SPRING, EARLY MAY, IT SEEMS LIKE EONS AGO NOW, WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT INCLUDED REGARDING PLAYGROUNDS. ALL VERY POSITIVE. SOME FEEDBACK WE HAD FROM RESIDENTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT DESIGN. I THOUGHT I WOULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PLAYGROUNDS . AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN OUR GOAL TO PROVIDE INCREDIBLE PLAYGROUNDS . THANKS TO THE CLAY TOWNSHIP IMPACT PROGRAM, WE HAVE RENOVATED PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE PLAYGROUNDS. I AM GLAD TO REPORT THAT THE OLDEST PLAYGROUND IS IN FOUNDERS PARK AND IS LESS THAN 15 YEARS OLD.

THE SECOND OLDEST PLAYGROUND IS IN CENTRAL PARK AND ABOUT 10 YEARS OLD. THE REST OF THE PLAYGROUNDS ARE FOUR YEARS OLD OR LESS, WHICH IS PRETTY INCREDIBLE. MOST PLAYGROUNDS HAVE A 20 PLUS OR MINUS YEAR LIFESPAN. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REINVESTED IN PLAYGROUNDS AND STRIVE TO PROVIDE INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCES TO OUR VISITORS OF ALL AGES AT THE PARKS. WE ALSO TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN OBTAINING PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND HOW WE DESIGN OUR PARKS, INCLUDING OUR PLAYGROUNDS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PLAYGROUNDS, WE GO TO THE KIDS.

WE HAVE FOCUS GROUPS AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. WE WORK WITH THE EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT PROGRAM THAT WE OPERATE FOR THE CARMEL SCHOOLS TO TALK TO THE KIDS THAT ARE CLOSEST TO A SPECIFIC PART -- PARK AND GET THEIR IDEAS OF WHAT THEY WANT. THE LISTENING DOES NOT END THERE. EVEN AFTER WE DESIGN THE PLAYGROUNDS, AFTER WE BUILD THEM, FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE USUALLY MORE COMPONENTS WE WANT TO ADD AS THE BUDGET ALLOWS, BUT WE ARE ALSO ALWAYS TAKING FEEDBACK ABOUT HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THE PLAYGROUNDS. THINGS THAT MAYBE WE PLANNED BUT DID NOT HAVE THE FUNDS TO PROVIDE, MAYBE THINGS THAT ARE NEW IDEAS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT GO INTO THE THOUGHT PROCESS FOR PLAYGROUNDS. THE OTHER THING WE ALWAYS STRIVE FOR IS TO ENSURE OUR PLAYGROUNDS INCORPORATE UNIVERSAL DESIGN PRINCIPLES, INCLUSIVE DESIGN PRINCIPLES. THE DATA I AM SHOWING IS FROM THE REPORT I HAD THE DATES BACK TO 2015. THE INFORMATION, THE MEAT BEHIND WHAT IS REPORTED HERE FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, IS SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TODAY BASED ON MORE RECENT REPORTS. I JUST HAPPEN TO LIKE THIS GRAPHIC. A LOT OF TIMES, WHEN PLAYGROUNDS AND INCLUSIVITY IN PLAYGROUNDS WAS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT ABOUT, IT REALLY KIND OF , THE AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT IN 1990 WAS A GUIDING PRINCIPLE FOR THAT, NOT ONLY A PRINCIPAL, BUT A LAW, TO ENSURE ACCESSIBILITY WITHIN PLAYGROUNDS AND ALL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT THE IDEA BEHIND THAT WAS LARGELY GROUNDED IN MOBILITY, THE ABILITY FOR USERS IN WHEELCHAIRS AND INDIVIDUALS WITH MOBILITY CHALLENGES. BUT I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT , YOU KNOW, THAT IS A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, HERE THE 41 PER 1000 KIDDOS HAVE COGNITIVE CHALLENGES. THAT IS THE MEAT OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, ESPECIALLY FOR THE YOUNGER AMERICANS AND VISITORS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FOCUSING , WHEN IT COMES TO ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUNDS , NOT ONLY ON MOBILITY CHALLENGES, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO DO, BUT COGNITIVE, COMMUNICATION, SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL, ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT COMPRISE THE KIDS OF OUR COMMUNITIES TO ENSURE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO COME TO OUR PLAYGROUNDS AND LEARN AND PLAY WITH EACH OTHER, WHICH IS SUCH A WONDERFUL LEARNING EXPERIENCE. ADDITIONALLY, THESE ARE PRINCIPLES I SAW FROM A PARTICULAR PLAYGROUND MANUFACTURER . THEIR FOCUS IS ON SELLING EQUIPMENT, BUT THE PRINCIPLES BEHIND IT ARE CURRENT AS FAR AS ARTICLES I

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IN THE BACKGROUND, YOU CAN SEE THE CLIMBING STRUCTURE. THAT PROVIDES A SAFE MECHANISM FOR KIDDOS TO GET UP HIGHER. BUT WE WANT TO ALSO, JUST AS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CHALLENGING AT A LOWER LEVEL, WE ARE ALSO PROVIDING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CHILDREN OF DIFFERENT SKILL LEVELS AND DIFFERENT RISK BEHAVIORS TO BE ABLE TO CLIMB UP HIGHER TO THE LEVEL OF THEIR COMFORT AND EXPERIENCE THINGS IN A SAFE MANNER. WE WANT TO PROVIDE THOSE TYPES OF EXPERIENCES. THE OTHER SIDE IS AT RIVER HERITAGE PARK, A PARK THAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN, IT IS OUR FIRST PLAYGROUND TO MEET ADA STANDARDS IN THE EARLY 2000. HERE YOU ARE SEEING A ZIP LINE , WHICH IS HUGELY POPULAR . IT IS BOTH AT RIVER HERITAGE AS WELL AS WESTPARK BEHIND THE PAVILION. THE ZIP COMPONENT HAS A ROPE THAT HAS A SEAT YOU CAN EITHER SIT ON, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF STRENGTH, OR IF YOU ARE MORE RISK-AVERSE, YOU CAN STAND ON THE PEDESTAL AND ZIP ALONG. ON THE OTHER SIDE IS A SIMILAR STRUCTURE THAT ISN'T QUITE AS LONG, BUT HALF THE CABLES BUT IT HAS A SEAT THAT YOU CAN GET MULTIPLE KIDS ON. IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT MAY BE IS IN A WHEELCHAIR, YOU CAN EASILY TRANSFER THEM ONTO THIS FEATURE, AND THEY CAN GET A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE AS IF YOU WERE ON THE ZIP LINE. YOU CAN ALSO GET THAT SAME EXPERIENCE WITH A BUNCH OF BUDDIES YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY DUE ON THE ZIP LINE. I DON'T ADVISOR, ALTHOUGH I'M SURE SOMEONE HAS TRIED. CONTINUING ON THE THEME. HERE ARE SOME OTHER FEATURES.

THE MERRY GO ROUNDS AT WESTPARK. WE ALSO HAVE ONESIMIL IS FLUSH WITH THE GROUND SURFACE. IT IS GREAT FOR KIDDOS WITHOUT MOBILITY CHALLENGES TO GET ON. IT IS EQUALLY FUN, JUST AS FUN AS THE MERRY GO ROUNDS THE MAYBE WE EXPERIENCED AS A KID. BUT YOU CAN ALSO GET A CHAIR OUT IF SOMEBODY HAS A MOBILITY CHALLENGE. ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE GLIDER.

AGAIN, IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN A CHAIR, YOU CAN GET ON IT. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN A CHAIR TO ENJOY THIS GLIDING FEATURE. YOU WILL NOTICE PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OUR PLAYGROUND SURFACES ARE RUBBER SURFACES. NUMBER ONE, THEY ARE A LOT SOFTER. THERE ACTUALLY FUNDED BEYOND. THEY ARE A PLAY FEATURE IN AND OF THEMSELVES. IF YOU DO HAVE MOBILITY CHALLENGES, IT IS EASIER TO GET ON AND OFFER THEM. THAT IS ALL VERY IMPORTANT. IS NOT ONLY THE PLAY EXPERIENCES WE ARE LOOKING AT, BUT WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT OVERALL USER EXPERIENCE AND COMFORT LEVELS WITH PARENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, HERE AT CENTRAL PARK, WE HAVE NOW CONTROLLED ENTRY POINTS, WHICH WE PUT INTO PLACE REALLY FOR THIS SUMMER. THE MAIN PART OF THIS PLAYGROUND, SPLASH PAD AND THE PLAY AREA, IS COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BY A FENCE. THERE ARE TWO CONTROL POINTS AND THE REGIONAL PARK IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY WILL SERVE OVER 400,000 PEOPLE ON THIS PLAYGROUND ANNUALLY. AT ANY GIVEN TIME, YOU CAN HAVE HUNDREDS OF KIDS ON HERE. IT CAN BE CHAOTIC, AND IT CAN BE FUN TOO. THIS MAKES IT EASIER FOR PARENTS TO KEEP THE KIDS CONTROL. IS A HUGE SPACE. YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU ARE ENCLOSED. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT DOES PROVIDE THAT SENSE OF COMFORT. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE ADDED

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YOU CAN SEE THE RED SHADE STRUCTURE. AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE IT IS NOT LITERALLY ABLE TO, BUT THAT IS THE COMMUNITY SHELTER TO PROVIDE SHADE. ALSO, SOME OF THE SPRAY FEATURES FOR THE SPLASH PAD OR UNDER THAT CANOPY, ESPECIALLY THE ELEMENTS MOST APPEALING TO SMALLER KIDS. OTHER THINGS WE HAVE , WE SOMETIMES USE THE LANDSCAPE TO SERVE AS SHADE COMPONENTS. AT INLOW PARK, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE THE PLAYGROUNDS TUCKED INTO THE WOODS. DOESN'T MEAN IT IS ALWAYS IN THE SHADE BECAUSE THE SUN IS CONSTANTLY MOVING, BUT THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO PLAY IN THE WOODS IN THE SHADE BUT STILL BE IN A VERY VISIBLE COMPONENT. YOU WILL SEE SHADE WITH HIM PLAY AT INLOW PARK AND WESTPARK BEHIND THE PAVILION AND AT RIVER HERITAGE PARK. JUMPY TO RIVER HERITAGE PARK.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE MOST PROUD ABOUT IS THE NATURE TRAIL WE PROVIDED HERE. RUBBERIZED SURFACE IT GOES THROUGH THE WOODS AND TAKES IT ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER. THERE ARE AND WETLANDS OR CHANGE IN TYPOGRAPHY, WHICH IS MINIMAL, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, WE USE BOARDWALKS. YOU TO GET ALL THE WAY TO THE TRAIL, ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER WITH OVERLOOKS AND BE ABLE TO ENJOY IT . IT IS GREAT IF YOU HAVE MOBILITY CHALLENGES . IT IS GREAT IF YOUR JOINTS ARE A LITTLE SORE AND YOU SIMPLY WANT TO HAVE A WALK ON SOFTER CUSHION TRAILS.

IT IS ALSO GREAT IF YOU'RE OUT THERE I WANT TO SEE WILDLIFE, BECAUSE IT IS A RUBBERIZED SURFACE THAT DOESN'T MAKE AS MUCH NOISE . IT IS NOT INCUMBENT TO WALK UP AND SEE

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WE PURPOSELY SAT THE OVERLOOKS A LITTLE BIT BACK FROM THE RIVER SO THAT WE -- AND THEIR CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE GROUND, WHERE WE DON'T NEED THE RAILINGS. IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO BE IN A WHEELCHAIR OR IN A STROLLER, YOU CAN ASK ME NOT HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH RAILINGS TO SEE THE RIVER. AND SEE THE TURTLES AND THE OTHER THINGS IN THE RIVER. MOST OF THE THINGS THAT FLOAT DOWN THE RIVER ARE GOOD. ALSO IN RIVER HERITAGE PARK, WE ARE USING THIS AS A BETA TESTING SITE FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE. WE TRY TO INCORPORATE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE AND ALL THE PARTS. WE HAVE, IT IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING MANUFACTURED, SIGNAGE TAKES FOREVER TO GET INSTALLED, BUT WE ARE DOING A COMMUNICATION BOARD. IF SOMEONE HAS DIFFICULTIES VERBALLY COMMUNICATED, WE WILL HAVE THESE BOARDS BASED OFF OF BEST PRACTICES WITH DIFFERENT THINGS THAT A KINDLE OR ADULTS CAN POINT TO TO BE ABLE TO HELP COMMUNICATE. WE HAVE CUSTOMIZED IT BY HAVING DIFFERENT PIECES. I KNOW IT IS HARDER TO SEE. BUT IT HAS DIFFERENT PLAYGROUND ELEMENTS SPECIFIC TO THIS PARK SO THE KIDDOS CAN SAY, I WANT TO GO TO THE ZIP LINE, FOR EXAMPLE. IT ALSO HAS A QR CODE. WERE GOING TO HAVE ONE MAIN SIGN AT THE MAIN PLAYGROUND, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE OTHER AREAS, YOU CAN SCAN THAT, THE COMMUNICATION BOARD COMES UP, AND YOU CAN USE THAT, NOT ONLY AT THE MAIN PLAYGROUND, BUT ALONG THE TRAIL. THE OTHER INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE WE'RE DOING IS GOING TO BE MORE TACTILE. IT IS HARD TO SHOW ON A SCREEN. YOU KNOW, IT IS EITHER GOING TO HAVE THINGS YOU CAN LIFT UP AND LOOK AT, OR IT WILL HAVE THE FEEL OF THE, OF A WETLAND AREA AND STUFF. DIFFERENT WAYS TO COMMUNICATE TO PEOPLE THAT COMMUNICATE DIFFERENTLY. WE'RE ALSO ARE ENCOURAGING DIFFERENT TYPES OF EXPLORATION OR MOVEMENT WITHIN THE PARK. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. ANOTHER THING WE HAVE LEARNED AT THE MOST RECENT NATIONAL CONFERENCE LAST YEAR , WE ARE INTERESTED, WHETHER IT IS GOOGLE TECHNOLOGY OR OTHER TECHNOLOGY, WE WANT TO MAKE IT SO THAT YOU CAN USE YOUR PHONE AND GO ON THE TRAIL IF YOU ARE VISUALLY IMPAIRED AND BE ABLE TO HAVE GUIDE TO STAY ON THE TRAIL EASILY, BUT IT CAN ALSO TELL YOU WHAT IS ALONG THE WAY THAT YOU MAYBE CAN'T SEE. WE HAVE THAT FIGURE THIS OUT YET, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS. WHAT WAS COOL IS, LIKE, THIS IS AT INLOW PARK. THIS WAS LITERALLY TODAY AROUND 10:00. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF THE KIDDOS IS IN A WHEELCHAIR, BUT OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE SWINGS WE HAVE, WE PROVIDED THE PLACE THAT ALL ABILITIES CAN COME AND VISIT. THAT IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT.

FINALLY, ONE OF HER MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS CURRENTLY GOING IS THE NEW PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AT HAZEL LANDING PARK TO HERITAGE PARK. HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE YOU CAN SEE , I GUESS ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE PIERS FOR THE BRIDGE, YOU CAN SEE THE CLEARINGS ON BOTH SIDES THAT WILL BE WHERE THE BRIDGE IS LOCATED ON THE UPPER RIGHT SIDE IS THE TRAIL.

THE PATHWAY FOR THE TRAIL THAT WILL CONNECT THE BRIDGE TO HAZEL LANDING PARK. IT IS ALSO GOING TO GO ALONG BLUE WOODS CREEK. THE CREEK IS ON THE LEFT SIDE ON THIS PHOTO. YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT THIS TIME OF YEAR BECAUSE OF ALL THE INVASIVE SPIRIT WE WILL DO A STUDY TO IDENTIFY ALL OF THE INVASIVE SPECIES THAT COME UP WITH A MANAGEMENT PLAN TO REMOVE THEM.

WHAT THAT WILL DO IS OPEN UP THE VIEW TO THE CREEK. THAT WILL BE AN ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS TRAIL IN AND OF ITSELF TO GET TO THE BRIDGE. AND THEN, THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND AS THE VIEW YOU WILL SEE FROM THE BRIDGE LOOKING SOUTH. YOU WILL BE IMMERSED IN NATURE, WHICH IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> COUNCIL? ANY QUESTIONS? >> DIRECTOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS, BECAUSE THE IMPETUS TO THIS SLIDESHOW THAT YOU PRESENTED CAME FROM A VERY SAD LETTER FROM A CONSTITUENT WHO WAS TRYING TO FIND PARKS WITHIN OUR SYSTEM THAT WOULD CONTAIN HER CHILD WHO WAS A RUNNER. I IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED

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I CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR WHAT YOU DID FOR THIS PARENT.

SHE WAS OVERJOYED. SHE WAS IN TEARS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INNOVATIVE DESIGNS AND CARING OF ALL THE KIDS OF OUR COMMUNITY , AND PARENTS TOO. WE ENJOY IT AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, I THINK EVERYBODY SEES HOW WONDERFUL OUR PARKS ARE. THEY ARE INCREDIBLE. THEY FORGET ABOUT ON ABOUT ALL THE LITTLE THINGS THAT HAPPEN BEHIND THE SCENES. I CAN GO BACK OVER 20 YEARS. WHEN I WAS A FRESHMAN AT PURDUE, I WENT BACK AND TOOK THE YOUNG LADY TO PROM THAT WAS NEURO- ATYPICAL. I DID THAT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FOR PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE ENDED UP HAVING AT LEAST A DECADE-LONG CAREER WITH CARMEL PARKS. THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. THE SECOND THING , AS SOMEONE WHO IS BUILT A LOT OF BRIDGES, ALL THAT STONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAGES YOU SEE IS TEMPORARY . IT IS NOT , THAT IS NOT A PERMANENT INJUNCTION INTO THE RIVER. IT WILL MAKE THAT VIEW THAT MUCH BETTER. THE THIRD THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT THE INDIANAPOLIS COLTS HAVE WON THE SUPER BOWL IN 1971 AND 2007. THAT ISN'T THAT IMPRESSIVE. YOU SAY THIS ALL THE TIME. YOU ARE A TWO-TIME GOLD MEDAL WINNER . THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND THE COLTS IS THAT THEY HAVE HAD 50 YEARS OF OPPORTUNITY. YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED TO WIN IT. THAT IS WORTH STRESSING. OTHERWISE, IT WOULD NOT BE A TWO-TIME GOLD MEDAL WINNING PARK, IT WOULD BE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. IS THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> THANK YOU. THANKS FOR POINTING OUT, YES, THAT IS VERY MUCH A TEMPORARY THING TO BUILD A BRIDGE. WITH REGARD TO THE GOLD MEDAL, ONCE YOU WHEN IT, YOU ARE ONLY ELIGIBLE TO END AFTER -- WIN AFTER SIX YEARS. WE APPLIED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2014. WE WERE A FINALIST AND WON. WE APPLIED IN 2020 AND WON. WE ARE NOT ELIGIBLE AGAIN UNTIL 2026.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, MICHAEL.

>> THANK YOU. >> MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM FOR OTHER REPORT, CLIMATE ACTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

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>> WHILE THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES REPORT IS UP NEXT. YOU HAVE SLIDES? OKAY.

RA. -- ALL RIGHT. >> I AM THE CHAIR FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING THE LAST FEW MONTHS. WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION A FINAL RECOMMENDATION AT THE END IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS RECOMMENDATION OF A JOB DESCRIPTION OF A SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR. AS YOU WILL SEE, MANY OF THE TASKS THAT AR PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE ARE TASKS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE OR MUST BE DONE BY A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE , WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OR BANDWIDTH TO HANDLE MANY , 90% OR MORE, OF THESE TASKS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO MEET ITS GOAL. THAT IS THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION. I WILL BE EMAILING THE CITY COUNCIL THE JOB DESCRIPTION . YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE SUMMARY. IT IS A VERY IN DEPTH DESCRIPTION OF THE QUALIFICATIONS AND OF THE POSITION EXPECTATIONS THAT WILL BE NEEDED BY THE APPLICANT. HERE IS A LIST OF THE CENTRAL JOB FUNCTIONS. WE DEBATED ON THIS QUITE A BIT. ANY ONE OF THESE ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS IS SOMETHING THAT THE SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER OR COORDINATOR WILL BE FACED WITH, CONFRONTED WITH, AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH AT ANY GIVEN TIME DURING THEIR ROLE. LOOKING AT THE NONESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS, SAME THING. ANY ONE OF THESE COULD POP UP AT ANY GIVEN TIME DURING THEIR TENURE IN THIS ROLE. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE INCLUDE ALL OF THESE SO ALL THE APPLICANTS HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IS EXPECTED. THE QUALIFICATIONS , AS YOU CAN SEE, A DEGREE IN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE, PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION RELATED FIELD , UP TO FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR MORE FOR THE POSITION, AND LEADERSHIP , LEAD ACCREDITATION, WHICH WILL BE GOOD, ESPECIALLY FOR NEW AND EXISTING BUILDINGS WITHIN THE CITY GOVERNMENT MUNICIPALITY.

UPDATES. TRANSFER UTILITIES. ONE THING WE HAVE LEARNED THROUGH OUR MEETINGS IS THAT THE CITY OF CARMEL HAS OUTFITTED PRETTY MUCH EVERY UTILITY ACCOUNT WITHIN THE CITY WITH METERS THAT CAN PROVIDE INTERVAL DATA UP TO, I BELIEVE, EVERY HOUR. THE UTILITIES KNOW WHEN YOU'RE WATERING YOUR YARD, THEY KNOW WHEN YOU'RE TAKING A SHOWER. I THINK THEY CAN BREAK IT DOWN TO MAYBE EVERY 15 MINUTES OR SO. THEY CAN TELL WHEN YOU FLUSH THE TOILET. THIS DATA IS VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE, WITH THE NEW SEASON COMING ON MY

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WE CAN LOOK AT ALL THIS DATA. WE WILL BE ABLE TO SET UP THE KPIS , THE METRICS TO MEASURE TO THE KPIS, IN ORDER TO MITIGATE AND RECEIPTS -- REDUCE AND CONSERVE WATER FOR TO. ONE THING WE ALSO FOUND OUT IS THAT IT IS NOT THE TREATMENT OF THE WATER THAT IS EXPENSIVE, IT IS MOVING WATER ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, ESPECIALLY INTO THE WATER TOWERS. IT TAKES A LOT OF ELECTRICITY. THE ELECTRICITY IS THE SECOND-LARGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO CARBON EMISSIONS IN THE CITY OF CARMEL. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONSERVE WATER TO CONSERVE ELECTRICITY. THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO LOOK INTO DOING. HOWEVER, EVERYTHING I HAVE ASKED ON THEIR IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. AGAIN, THE SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR OR MANAGER. WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITIES TO DO THAT WITHIN THE COMMITTEE. BACKYARD COMPOSTING. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE STRATEGIES WE ARE LOOKING AT FROM THE COMMITTEE.

COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH REPUBLIC REGARDING THESE PROGRAMS TO FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO. WE HAVE LEARNED THAT FAUCHER SUBSCRIPTION PROGRAM SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ALL TYPES OF HOUSEHOLDS, INCLUDING THOSE WITH HR WAYS AND THOSE WITHOUT. COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE ALSO TALKING WITH NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH THEIR PROGRAMS ALREADY HAVE PROGRAMS ESTABLISHED. WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. WE ARE GETTING THE INFORMATION. THE VOUCHER PROGRAM MAY BE A SUBSIDY THAT CAN BE PRETTY -- PROVIDED TO A FAMILY. THEY CAN USE THAT TO PURCHASE A COMPOSTING BEEN. VOUCHERS MAY BE PROVIDED TO THOSE THAT CAN WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THOSE PRODUCTS PICKED UP AND REMOVED FROM THEIR HOUSE ON A WEEKLY BASIS . THOSE WOULD SATISFY HR8 REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE PROGRAMS. OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT EVERYBODY WITHIN THE CITY CAN CONTRIBUTE AND PARTICIPATE. GRANT PROPOSALS. THIS IS A HUGE ITEM OF DISCUSSION. WE CAN GET A LOT OF THESE DENTS WITHOUT FUNDING. FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS HAVE OFFERED , IN MY MIND, ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF MONEY THROUGH GRANTS. IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT HIRING AND BRING ON A SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR THAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE IN GRANTS AND PROPOSALS AND WRITING SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THESE . THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS ONLY SECURED A COUPLE OF THESE GRANTS FOR THEIR USE. ONE IS A RATHER LARGE ONE THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE EXPANDED THE NEXT FEW YEARS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN UTILIZE FROM PARKS, THROUGH TRANSPORTATION, THROUGH COMPOSTING , THROUGH RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES, MANY THINGS.

THE GRANTS ARE OUT THERE AND AVAILABLE AND GO UNCLAIMED YEAR AFTER YEAR BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE TO FIND THEM.

WE HAVE BEEN LUCKY. WE HAVE JESSICA , WHO IS PROVIDING US WITH EMAIL AFTER EMAIL OF ALL THESE GRANTS FROM STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. WE JUST NEED TO COORDINATE , A SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR, WHO CAN TAKE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THEM AND WORK WITH EACH DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE CITY AND FIND OUT WHICH PROJECTS THEY'RE WORKING ON, PROJECTS I HAVE GOING ON, AND WHAT GRANTS WOULD FIT THEM.

THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO. BUT THE MONEY IS THEY ARE. WE CAN EASILY TAP INTO QUITE A BIT OF IT. CURRENT INITIATIVES. ONE IS THE HOME IMPROVEMENTS. WATER CONSERVATION INITIATIVE , AUTOMATIC FLUSH VALVES INSTALLED ON TOILETS TO REDUCE WATER USAGE, AUTOMATIC FAUCETS, RAIN SENSORS INSTALLED NEAR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS TO PREVENT UNNECESSARY WATER, IRRIGATION AND MAIN WATER SUPPLY. GREAT WITH WATER CONSERVATION. GREEN ENERGY INITIATIVES, ALL EXTERIOR DOORS, L.E.D.

CONVERSIONS WERE APPLICABLE , MOTION SENSOR, LIGHT SWITCHES INSTALLED IN TWO THIRDS OF THE BUILDING. THAT WAY IF THERE UNOCCUPIED, THE LIGHTS WILL GO OFF. THAT IS REALLY NICE.

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THESE ARE STRATEGIES WE ARE WORKING ON. AND ONE COMMUNITY CENTER THEY DID A GUARANTEED ENERGY-SAVING STUDY WITH A CONTRACTOR. THEY'RE LOOKING AT REPLACING THE HUMIDIFIER.

DEHUMIDIFICATION SYSTEMS, LOW-FLOW FAUCETS, HVAC SYSTEM.

ALL OF THESE WILL BE DONE WITH MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEMS TO ACTUALLY CONSERVE ENERGY AND REDUCE COSTS. THERE IS A COMMUNITY ORCHARD PILOT PROGRAM. THEY RECEIVED A GRANT.

THEY WILL PLANT 100 TREES AT FOUNDERS PARK . AS FAR AS WE KNOW NOW, EVERY ONE OF THOSE TREES IS ALIVE AND THRIVING, WHICH IS GOOD. IT IS MAINTAINING. THEY'RE NOT MATURE YET. WE CAN'T REALLY SAY THEY ARE SEQUESTERING CARBON. EVENTUALLY THEY WILL GET THERE, WHICH WILL BE NICE.

AS WE HAVE MORE AND MORE TREES THROUGHOUT THE PROGRAM, IT WILL BE GOOD. ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. ANOTHER ONE. THEY RECEIVED A GRANT FOR A MULTIUSE PATH FOR ROAD TO TOWN ROAD.

$3.8 MILLION. THE MONEY IS THERE. WE JUST NEED MORE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN SPEND MORE TIME SEEKING THESE OUT TO GET THEM DONE. FEDERAL YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 2027, 153,000 TOWARDS ENHANCEMENT LIKE HYBRID AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WE'RE LOOKING INTO EXPANDING. I THINK THEY HAVE ONE ELECTRIC VEHICLE NOW , OR HYBRID, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING TO EVEN MORE. NOW IS A GOOD TIME . WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVING, STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING COMING THROUGH, THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND THROUGH AS WELL , THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE THERE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE REALLY NICE. THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, HALF OF OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT COMES FROM ELECTRICITY. DUKE ENERGY HAS PROPOSED A 2024 RATE INCREASE. IT IS NOT JUST GOING TO INCREASE RATES . ON AVERAGE, ABOUT $42 PER HOUSEHOLD. IT IS ABOUT A 33% INCREASE. WHAT THIS ALSO DOES IS PROVIDES THEM WITH 490 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS TO IMPROVE THEIR CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE OF COAL BURNING PLANTS. THEY MADE A PLEDGE SOME TIME AGO THAT THEY WOULD START WORKING TOWARDS RETIRING COAL BURNING PLANT AND START MOVING TOWARDS RENEWABLE ENERGY . DUKE HAS NOT DONE THAT. THIS ENERGY INCREASE , THE RATE INCREASE, WILL ENABLE THEM TO FORGO THAT EVEN LONGER. MAYOR WILLIS OF WESTFIELD HAS ALREADY SPOKEN OUT AGAINST THIS. OTHERS HAVE AS WELL. MANY COMMUNITY AND CITY LEADERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE ARE LOOKING AT SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THIS. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS. WHAT WE ARE ASKING AS A RECOMMENDATION IS TO INVESTIGATE THE IMPACT THAT THIS WILL HAVE ON THE CITY OF CARMEL. IF DO CONTINUES AT THIS RATE, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MEET OUR GOALS . THAT IS NOT GOING TO LOOK GOOD. WE HAVE MADE A PLEDGE TO DO THIS BY 2050 AND 2035. IF DO CONTINUES AT THIS RATE, WE WON'T. THAT IS WHY WE RECOMMEND AN IMPACT STUDY TO LOOK AT HOW THIS WILL IMPACT THE CITY OF CARMEL, NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO THE MUNICIPALITY. IT WILL INCREASE RATES, IT WILL INCREASE CARBON PRODUCTION AS CARMEL EXPANDS. THAT ISWHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO. WHERE ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO INVESTIATE INTO IT AND SEE WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE, OR HOW THIS WILL IMPACT US . QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION, ANY INPUT.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. I WILL ASKED THEM BOTH AND YOU CAN RESPOND. FIRST, THE SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR, HAVE WE DETERMINED A SALARY THAT WOULD COST ? AND THEN, SECOND, KIND OF GOING BACK. I

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>> IF I CAN CLARIFY. WHAT YOU MEAN ANOTHER PLAN? WHAT IS THE

OTHER PLAN YOU SEE? >> I MEAN, GOING BACK TO WHEN THE TASK FORCE WAS CREATED, I THINK THE DIRECTIVE WAS TO HELP IMPLEMENT THE EXISTING CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT THE COUNCIL VOTED ON IN THE PAST. WE HAD RECOMMENDATIONS . AND NOW, WE HAVE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY LOOK AT TO THE PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS TO SEE IF THOSE WERE PRACTICAL AND HOW WE GO ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THEM.

>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION FOR A SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR, I WILL ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION. WE AS A COMMITTEE HAVE NOT ESTABLISH A SALARY .

THAT WILL BE, I BELIEVE, UP TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND THE MAHER'S OFFICE. WE HAVE A PLANNED MEETING WITH THE MAYOR TO GO OVER THE JOB DESCRIPTION AS WELL AND TO PUT THAT INTO THE OFFICE AND LET THEM DISCUSS FURTHER. IN REGARDS TO THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION , EVERYTHING I PRESENTED TONIGHT IS IN LINE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE ORIGINALLY PROVIDED. HOWEVER, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH LOOKING AT THE COMMITTEE. WHERE HANDCUFFED ONGOING MUCH FURTHER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITIES. WE NEED OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION OF HIRING AND BRING ON BOARD A SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER. SOMEONE THAT CAN WORK WITH THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO HELP SET UP THESE KPIS, ESTABLISH THE METRIC SO WE CAN START MEASURING THESE ITEMS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO SEE IF WE ARE MEETING THOSE GOALS. WE CAN PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL IN PLACE TO HELP IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'RE KIND OF HANDCUFFED. OUR HANDS ARE TIED.

THERE IS NOT MUCH MORE WE CAN DO. WE ARE SEEING SOME THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE INTERNALLY ORGANICALLY, LIKE WITH THE UTILITIES WITH THE METERS, WHICH IS GREAT. JOHN DUFFY HAS SPOKEN TO THIS. THEY CAN POSSIBLY START SETTING KPIS AND METRICS TO LOOK AT REDUCING WATER USAGE AND CONSERVING WATER. THAT IS SOMETHING THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO. PARKS DEPARTMENT IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE DOING THINGS ALREADY THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUT IN PLACE, BUT IT GOES BEYOND THAT. THAT IS WHERE WE NEED A COORDINATOR TO WORK WITH THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, WORK TOGETHER, BRING EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE, AND TO WORK TOWARDS THESE GOALS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON WHAT WE ARE LOOKING

AT? >> MAYBE THAT IS WHERE WE CAN GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ACTION PLAN AND LOOK AT THAT. THE COUNCIL, WE DEBATED THAT PRETTY THOROUGHLY AND VOTED ON IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE EXPANDING ON IT A LOT, MORE THAN MAYBE THE COUNCIL ORIGINALLY VOTED ON FOR

THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. >> THERE ARE TWO MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL BACK THAT SIT ON THE COMMITTEE AND HELP SHAPE CONVERSATION. I WILL SAY THAT IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR OR A SIMILAR POSITION IN A PARAGRAPH WITHIN THE PLAN. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TRIED TO DO IS FOCUS EFFORTS AND CONVERSATIONS ON THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS IN THE PLAN, WHICH IS WHERE THE REPORTING COMES BACK TODAY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, EVENING COMPOST BOXES, THOSE ARE THINGS THE COMMITTEE ADDRESSED , I THINK SEVEN SPECIFIC THINGS, DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOCUSING ON THOSE AS APPLICATIONS OF OUR TIME, EFFORT AND ENERGY. I THINK THE THING THE COMMITTEE HAS STARTED TO DO WELL IS RELY ON THIS COMMITTEE MEMBERS PUT INTO THE -- FROM THE CITY GOVERNMENT.

ENGINEERING , INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER . WE HAVE PARKS, WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM DOCS. ASKING WHAT WE'RE DOING TO IMPLEMENT IN

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STRUCTURALLY, THE ROLE OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT THE FULL PLAN. THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS OKAY BEFORE FOR THIS PRESENTATION WENT THROUGH AT THE LAST COMMITTEE HEARING. THE REAL GOAL IS TO RECOMMEND THINGS THE COUNCIL AND CITY CAN DO TO LOOK AT IMPLEMENTING WHAT THE PLAN HAS IN IT, AND THAT WAS WHERE THESE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY CAME BACK THROUGH. ULTIMATELY, ALL OF THIS IS BASED ON AN ORIGINAL PLAN. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND STRUCTURE IN CREATING BYLAWS AND PROCESS BY WHICH THE COMMITTEE CAN FUNCTION AS A RECOMMENDING ORGANIZATION. WE'RE GETTING INTO THE THROES OF THE GLORIOUS GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY OF THAT ROLE . BUT AGAIN, TYING IT TO THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS IS PARAMOUNT TO THE ACTUAL

OPERATION OF THIS COMMITTEE. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS INPUT FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS OF FEASIBILITY TO HELP AS YOU

MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> I DID WANT TO NOTE A FEW ITEMS. THE GUARANTEED ENERGY SAVINGS PROGRAM . THAT IS SOMETHING SPEARHEADED WITH THE STAFF AT CARMEL CLAY PARKS AND RECREATION . IT IS NOT ONLY ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP , BUT IT ALSO IS A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO AS WE ARE ABLE TO PAY FOR IMPROVEMENTS, NOT BY TAX DOLLARS, BUT BY THE SAVINGS THAT ARE GENERATED FROM THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU IMPLEMENT. HOWEVER, I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT, BECAUSE I SPOKE TO THE MAYOR, AND ALSO CHIEF OF STAFF ABOUT THIS, MANY OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED CAN TAKE PLACE WITHIN A GUARANTEED ENERGY SAVINGS CONTRACT BY A PERFORMANCE CONTRACTOR. THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A SPECIFIC PERSON ON THE CITY SIDE TO MANAGE OUTSIDE PEOPLE WHO ARE A MANAGER OF GENERAL CAPITAL PROJECTS. I DID WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. IS A GREAT PROGRAM THE STATE ALLOWS . IT HAS PROVIDED SIGNIFICANT ENERGY SAVINGS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER. IT ALSO ALLOWS, IF YOU WANT TO GET FINANCING THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO INCREASE TAXES TO DO IT. BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT. THAT IS A GREAT TOOL I HOPE THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE MAYOR WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT TO MAKE SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WE DO HAVE THE STAFF AND ABILITY NOW TO IMPLEMENT A GUARANTEED ENERGY SAVINGS PROGRAM THROUGHOUT THE CITY. A PERFORMANCE CONTRACTOR WILL DO A LOT OF THE WORK, A LOT OF TIMES, AT RISK, TO IDENTIFY THE SAVINGS OPPORTUNITIES. YOU CAN ALSO GET A LOT OF DATA WITHOUT A LOT OF COST.

>> THAT IS GOOD TO HEAR THAT WE HAVE ALIGNED TO DO THAT. WHAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO DO IS AGGREGATE THE DATA , LOADING IT UP TO THE DASHBOARD, MEASURING IT TOWARDS OUR GOALS AND SEEING IF WE KEEP THAT UPDATED. WITH ALL THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND WITH THE 49 DIFFERENT STRATEGIES WE HAVE ON THERE, AND THE ONES WE HAVE NARROWED DOWN AND RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO LOOK AT IN THE BEGINNING, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS. WHEN ALL THIS WAS PUT INTO PLACE, WE HAD INTERNS FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESILIENCY INSTITUTE AT INDIANA UNIVERSITY. WE HAD INTERNS. WE DON'T HAVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS NOW. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE LACKING. WE CAN'T JUST OPERATE ON A FOUR MONTH ROTATION RETURN TO GET THESE PROJECTS THAT. HIRING SOMEBODY FULL-TIME WOULD

BE VERY BENEFICIAL. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN THEY DO , THEY ARE GUARANTEEING THE SAVINGS. THERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE REPORTS ON THE SAVINGS CREATED . IF YOU DON'T ACHIEVE THOSE SAVINGS, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO WRITE A CHECK FOR THE DIFFERENCE OF THE SAVINGS AND WHAT THE ACTUAL COST WAS TO THE CITY OF CARMEL OR THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION THAT ENTERED INTO THE GUARANTEED ENERGY SAVINGS CONTRACT.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. FIRST ONE, EVERYTHING IS CONTINGENT UPON THIS COORDINATOR. IF YOU DON'T GET IT, DO THE OTHER 53 ITEMS FALL APART? ARE YOU GUYS NIMBLE ENOUGH TO MOVE TOWARDS WHAT RICH IS TALKING ABOUT? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A LOT RIDING ON ONE POSITION. COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR. WE NEED TO HIRE POLICE OFFICERS, FIREMEN AND OTHER LIFESAVING EMPLOYEES.

>> I AGREE. I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL. EVERYTHING IS NOT CONTINGNT UPON THIS INDIVIDUAL . THERE ARE CERTAIN

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EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE COMMON GOAL.

TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL A PLACE TO PULL ALL THAT TOGETHER HAS BEEN SHOWN TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO BE VERY BENEFICIAL,

ESPECIALLY IN CITY GOVERNMENT >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

FOR PULLING EVERYBODY TOGETHER, SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DOING THAT EVERY MONTH. YOU HAVE ALL THE DIRECTORS SHOWING UP TO YOUR MEETINGS. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER COMMITTEE THAT CAN SAY

THEY HAVE DONE THAT. >> WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

WERE MEETING EVERY MONTH. WERE ONLY SUPPOSED TO MEET ONCE A QUARTER , ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE. BUT WE DECIDED TO MEET MORE FREQUENTLY. GETTING EVERYBODY THERE HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE. TYPICALLY HAVE HAD TWO MEETINGS IN THE PAST YEAR WHERE EVERYBODY HAS BEEN THERE. IT MAKES IT TOUGH. SOME APPOINT OTHERS TO FILL IN FOR THEM. IT IS VERY NICE THAT THEY DO THAT.

BUT IF WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH A COORDINATOR, IT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT. IT WILL MOVE AT A SNAILS PACE. IF WE HAVE A COORDINATOR, HIRED ON FULL TIME, THEY CAN WORK WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESILIENCY INSTITUTE. THEY CAN WORK WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. THEY CAN GET ENOUGH GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION REPORTS, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DONE SINCE 2018. WE HAVE NO CLUE WHERE WE ARE NOW. THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT HAVE KIND OF STALLED . WE CAN MAKE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND GET AN EYESIGHT ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO ROLL THOSE PLANS OUT MAY COME AT A VERY SLOW PACE. WE HAVE A TIMELINE SET OF GOALS. WE ARE NOT MOVING TOWARDS THOSE VERY QUICKLY. WE'RE -- WE NEED A TIMELY MANNER. THAT IS WHERE HAVING SOMEBODY SKILLED AND TRAINED IN THIS AREA FULL-TIME WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. TO SEE THAT THINGS ARE ON PACE, AND TO BE ABLE TO UPDATE AND BASICALLY PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WHICH IS WHAT WE ULTIMATELY WANT AS

WELL. >> AND THEN, MY OTHER QUESTION, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT -- YOU MENTIONED SEAN DUFFY. I HAD NOT HEARD ABOUT THIS. HE WAS GOING TO UPLOAD WATER METEOR -- METER

DATA. >> FOR THE CITY.

>> NOT FOR HOMEOWNERS. >> IF A HOMEOWNER WANTS IT,

THEY CAN REQUEST THAT. >> BUT IT WILL NOT BE PUBLIC.

>> THEY CAN PROVIDE IT FOR THE FOAM OWNER. WILL WE HOPE TO DO, SHOWING WHAT WE ARE DOING TO CONSERVE WATER AND ENERGY AND EVERYTHING. PUT THAT OUT THERE ON THE DASHBOARD ON THE WEBSITE . SHOW HOMEOWNERS WHAT THEY CAN DO SO THEY CAN REQUEST IT AND START MONITORING HOW THEY ARE USING WATER. JOHN DUFFY SAYS THE BIGGEST DEMAND FOR WATER IS AROUND 4:00 OR 5:00 IN THE MORNING WHEN EVERYONE HAS SPRINKLERS ON. THIS WOULD CLEARLY SHOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THAT.

>> I THINK WE WE CREATED THE COMMITTEE, AGAIN, PART OF THE REASON WAS THAT WE HAD RECOMMENDATIONS THAT REPUBLICAN DEBATED AT MULTIPLE MEETINGS. WE NEEDED HELP UNDERSTANDING THE FEASIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE THINGS. CAN YOU PROVIDE DOLLAR AMOUNTS OR ACTUAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE NEED THAT DATA TO KNOW THE FEASIBILITY.

>> STRUCTURALLY HOW THIS IS SET UP, OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS NO BUDGET OR STRUCTURE. THERE'S NO CONCEPT OF THIS COMMITTEE BEING ABLE TO SPEND MONEY TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY OR SOMETHING ELSE. BASED ON THE CREATION OF IT, IT IS TO BUILD A BODY THAT ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL THE MAYOR'S OFFICE MET THE PEOPLE ITSELF, WHAT TO LOOK AT. ULTIMATELY, WATER IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE, CAN WE DO A STUDY OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER BEING USED BY CITY METERS DURING PEAK HOURS DURING THE SUMMER AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO CUT THAT BACK? A FEASIBILITY STUDY COMES FROM THE ACTUAL OPERATIONS OF CITY GOVERNMENT. THE ROLE OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND DISCUSS WHAT COULD BE DONE TO MOVE THOSE GOALS FORWARD IN THAT FORM OF THE COMMITTEE ITSELF. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ANY AND ALL OF YOU JOIN TO BE A PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. THEY HAVE BECOME VERY PRODUCTIVE. THE SLIDES YOU SAW TODAY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE INPUT WE ARE GETTING BACK NOW FROM THE CONVERSATIONS FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS ALREADY DOING MANY OF THESE THINGS. CONCEPTUALLY, LOOKING AT HOW

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>> A GOOD DISCUSSION. WHEN IS THE NEXT CLIMATE ACTION

MEETING? >> JUNE 29. LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE MORE THAN A QUORUM, WE CAN HAVE MORE MEMBERS THERE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. MOVING ONTO THE NEXT REPORT . DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I AM JOINED THIS EVENING BY JOAN NICHOL AND DANIELA OF YARD AND COMPANY. WE WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON A COUPLE OF PROJECTS WE ARE JUST GETTING READY TO KICK OFF. EARLIER IN THE YEAR MANY OF YOU ATTENDED A WORKSHOP WHERE WE MENTIONED AN UPCOMING HOMEPLACE PLAN AND UPCOMING U.S. 31 CORRIDOR PLAN. TO GIVE BACKGROUND TO THOSE WHO WERE NOT AT THE MEETING OR THOSE WATCHING, IF YOU FOLLOWED OVER THE YEAR 2020 TOO MANY UPDATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE WORK WITH YARD AND COMPANY TO UPDATE THAT PLAN. AT THE TIME, WE FELT THAT UPDATING THE PLAN ITSELF WAS A LARGE ENOUGH ENDEAVOR WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE INDIVIDUAL SMALL AREA PLANS THAT ALREADY EXISTED AS PART OF THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN AND PROMISED TO COME BACK WITH UPDATES AND NEW PLANS FOR SOME OF THOSE AREAS. THE FIRST TWO OF THOSE AREA PLANS ARE HOMEPLACE AND THE U.S. 31 CORRIDOR. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JOE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE UPCOMING EFFORTS.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US BORROW SOME OF YOUR TIME THIS EVENING TO SHARE WITH YOU TWO ENDEAVORS THAT ARE REALLY STARTING IN EARNEST THIS WEEK. WE WANT TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHAT EACH OF THE SCOPES REPRESENT. IF IT IS OKAY WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO BREAK THIS INTO TWO PRESENTATIONS. YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS ON THE FIRST ONE, AND THEN I WILL CONTINUE ON WITH THE SECOND ONE. AS MENTIONED, THE TRANSITION FROM COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING THINK ABOUT BROAD GOALS, PRINCIPLES , POLICY MEASURES, THINGS THAT AFFECT THE CITY AS A WHOLE , AND THEN SEPARATING THAT FROM THE SMALL AREAS . IT TURNED OUT THAT WAS A PRETTY PRUDENT DECISION. FOCUSING ON SUB AREA PLANS ALLOWS THE COMMUNITY TO AGREE THAT THESE BROAD PRINCIPLES AND GOALS CITYWIDE NEED TO APPLY GENERALLY TO ALL CORNERS OF THE CITY, BUT THEN WITHIN EACH SPECIFIC AREA, YOU'RE ABLE TO BE NIMBLE AND RESPOND TO CHANGES IN THE MARKETPLACE, CHANGES IN THE NEEDS OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT IT IS FACING, AND BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE UNIQUE QUALITIES OF THAT PLACE. THE SUB AREA PLANS ALLOW US TO DO THAT. THE FIRST ONE I WILL TALK ABOUT IS HOMEPLACE. WHAT WAS DECIDED DURING THE SCOPING OF THIS SESSION BUT DID COME OUT OF THAT RETREAT THAT ADRIAN DESCRIBED, IS THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A PART OF AN AMENDED

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THIS IS NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BRAND . THIS IS REALLY THE CAMPAIGN TO GET INPUT, GET PEOPLE EXCITED, TO GET PEOPLE PLUGGED INTO THE CONVERSATION. THESE IMAGES ARE SHOWING UP ONLINE AND AROUND THE COMMUNITY TO DRIVE INTEREST AND CONNECTION TO THE PROCESS, AS WELL AS TO EVENTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE HOSTING THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. THESE ARE THE TYPES OF EVENTS THAT WE HOST. WE UNDERSTAND THAT MEETINGS ARE PART OF THE JOURNEY, BUT THEY CAN'T BE THE END ALL, BE ALL.

WE WANT TO BE OUT IN THE PUBLIC WALKING DOWN NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, MEETING NEIGHBORS ON FRONT PORCHES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AS MUCH AS WE CAN, CREATING THINGS THAT BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. THIS IS HUGELY IMPORTANT IN HOME PLACE, BECAUSE SO MANY OF THOSE THIRD PLACES, HOME AND WORK, DON'T EXIST. CREATING A VENUE FOR NEIGHBORS TO SPEAK WITH ONE ANOTHER AND EDUCATE US. THAT WILL BE THE INSIGHT ON HOW WE CAN CONSTRUCT THESE PROCESSES. JUST TO GIVE YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT THIS WEEK LOOKS LIKE. STARTING ON WEDNESDAY WE WILL BE ORIENTING VOLUNTEERS THAT WILL HELP US WITH THIS PROCESS,

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YOU WILL FIND INFORMATION LIKE WHAT I WENT THROUGH , A SURVEY, AS WELL AS AN INTERACTIVE MAP ACTIVITY TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO PROVIDE INSIGHTS INTO THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE SOME BRIEF QUESTIONS , EITHER NOW, OR YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THEM AND PASS THEM ON ON WHO WE SHOULD BE MEETING WITH AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE CAN HELP ANSWER AND GUIDE

ON. I WILL PAUSE. >> A DRINK, THIS IS KIND OF TIED TO THE HOME PLACE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND TAKING MORE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND HOW THAT GETS DEVELOPED.

>> YES. ONCE WE GET PUBLIC INPUT AND WORK THROUGH SOME IDEAS, THE FIRST DELIVERABLE WOULD BE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THESMALL AREA PLAN, AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE FINDINGS , THAT COULD ALSO END UP WITH REVISIONS TO THE HOME

PLACE IS -- DISTRICT. >> I KNEW THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AN OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR HOME PLACE TO PROTECT ITS LOOK AND FEEL, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE UPCOMING MEETINGS THIS WEEK UNTIL WOULD LIKE TO POSSIBLY ATTEND THOSE IF MY SCHEDULE ALLOWS. IS THERE ANYWAY YOU CAN GET EARLIER NOTICE WHEN THESE MEETINGS WILL TAKE PLACE?

>> YES. WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNITY RELATIONS DEPARTMENT TO GET A BLAST OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO , AS YOU STATED, HOME PLACE IS VERY CLOSED . THIS IS THE 110TH YEAR CELEBRATING HOME PLACE. THE MAP YOU SHOWED IS NOT HOME PLACE. HOW DID THE RESIDENTS FEEL ABOUT YOU SAYING THIS IS HOME PLACE, I LOVE HOME PLACE, AND IT NOT ACTUALLY BEING HOME PLACE? IT IS ONLY

ABOUT 1000 ACRES. >> WE DEBATED INTERNALLY ABOUT THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS STUDY. WE FELT LIKE , SINCE WE HAVE THE TEAM , A TEAM DEDICATED TO WORKING ON THIS , IT WAS WORTHWHILE TO GO AS FAR NORTH AS 116TH STREET, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED WITH HOMEPLACE -- HOME PLACE, AND AS FAR EAST AS WESTFIELD BOULEVARD, WHICH AGAIN, HAS DEBATED -- DEBATABLY, BEEN HOME PLACE OR NOT. BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES , AND ALL ACTS AS ONE AREA , PARTICULARLY, THE ORCHARD PARK SCHOOL . NOT THAT THAT IS A CITY DECISION, BUT WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A LARGE ENOUGH POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE THE BOUNDARY A LITTLE BIT LARGER WALL DEVOTING

TIME. >> CAN YOU PULL THE MAP BACK UP?

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THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. >> THIS IS REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK. WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE SUB AREA PLANNING PROCESS THAT KICKED THIS OFF, AND THEN THE IDENTITY OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING HOME PLACE, NOT NECESSARILY BE COINCIDENT? ONE LEARN ABOUT ARE THOSE BOUNDARY ISSUES AND WHAT DEFINES HOME PLACE. IF THERE ARE CLEAR SENSES OF EDGES THAT ARE WITHIN THIS BOUNDARY OR DIFFERENT FROM THIS BOUNDARY, I THINK THAT IS A GREAT PIECE OF FEEDBACK THAT CAN COME OUT OF THE PROCESS.

>> I JUST WANTED TO ASK -- I LOOKED AT , CAN WE GET A COPY OF THE SLIDES? DO WE HAVE THEM? THE REPORT SAYS EMPTY. THANKS.

I WILL OFFER, WHAT WAS THE MEETING WE WENT TO HOME PLACE?

>> IT WAS THE GREATER HOME PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

>> THE MAP WAS PITCHED. THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. WHEN THE EXPLANATION WAS GIVEN, IT WAS ACCEPTED AS UNDERSTANDABLE.

I DO THINK YOU ARE RIGHT. THERE MAY BE MORE ISSUES, BUT IN THAT MEETING, THEY ACCEPTED AND GOT BEHIND IT.

>> ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN CONTINUE.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. SO I MENTIONED THE IMPORTANCE OF SUBAREA PLANS BEING NIMBLE AND SENSITIVE TO VARIOUS CORNERS OF THE CITIES -- CITY'S INDIVIDUALIZED STARTING POINTS.

THE CORRIDOR IS AT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STARTING POINT THEN HOME PLACE. IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT IN THE WAY IT IS SCOPED , THE WAY WE ARE CONDUCTING IT. AND THE THINGS IT IS EXPECTED TO ACCOMPLISH. THIS SLIDE WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL AT THE BEGINNING. IT SITUATES SMALL AREA PLANNING IN THE NESTING DOLLS OF PLANNING THINK A. WE HAVE DONE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING ON THE LEFT. THERE IS SITE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PLANNING THAT A DEVELOPER OR PROPERTY OWNER WOULD PUT FORTH AS PART OF A FORMAL SITE PLAN APPLICATION.

SMALL AREA PLANNING REALLY SEEKS TO LOCALIZE THE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BEING SMALL ENOUGH TO MAKE REALLY KEY DECISIONS AROUND INFRASTRUCTURE AND ZONING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE , BUT STILL LARGER THAN ANY ONE PARTICULAR SITE PLAN. THAT GIVES YOU THE CONTEXT.

THAT IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THE 31 SUBAREA PLAN LARGELY SETS. THIS HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF PROJECT COMPONENTS THAT ARE PART OF IT. IT STILL HAS, AS ONE OF THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVES, TO GREAT THAT SUBAREA PLAN FOR THE COMP PLAN. BUT THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THEN HOME PLACE IN THE SENSE THAT WE ARE DOING A MUCH DEEPER DIVE ON PLANNING , DEVELOPMENT AND ZONING THAT WE ARE IN HOME PLACE AS A DISTINCT TASK . AND THEN, THIS ONE WILL LOOK AT HOW YOU CREATE ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS BOTH FROM A PUBLIC SPACE AND TRAIL STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO IF THERE ARE NEEDS FOR ADDITIONAL STREET GRIDS OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT THE SUPPORT THE OBJECTIVES OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSITIONS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND IT. THOSE WILL BE INVESTIGATED AS WELL.

THERE IS A LOT THAT IS CHANGED IN THE WORLD SINCE THE LAST SUBAREA PLAN WAS CREATED FOR THIS CORRIDOR IN 2020.

OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE MADE IT THROUGH THE PANDEMIC , WHICH IS HAD LINGERING EFFECTS THAT ARE STILL PLAYING OUT AS IT RELATES TO OFFICE AND OTHER TYPES OF LAND USES AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. BUT BEYOND THAT, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PLANNING DONE. THE 2020 CARMEL TRANSIT STUDY PREDATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT WAS NOT FULLY INTEGRATED INTO THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE CORRIDOR . IN 2023, THE

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THERE IS A MORE COMPRESSED NATURE OF THE CURRENT SCOPE.

WE'RE JUST KICKING OFF WITH THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS STARTING TOMORROW . WE WILL CONTINUE THE INVESTIGATION AND RESEARCH BASED ON WHAT THOSE MEETINGS YIELD. WE WILL START MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS OVER THE SUMMER IN RESPONSE TO THAT .

AND THEN, PRODUCING THE SUBAREA PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS AGAIN IN THE FALL. THIS WEEK , LIKE I MENTIONED, WE ARE MEETING WITH YOU ALL AND WITH STAFF TOMORROW, AS WELL AS SOME DEVELOPERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE HAD RECENT EXPERIENCE IN THE CORRIDOR. FURTHER AFIELD, ON THE HEELS OF THAT, WE HOPE TO DO A CORRIDOR SURVEY OF FOLKS WITHIN A CERTAIN BOUNDARY AREA AROUND THE CORRIDOR , AS WELL AS HOSTING WHAT WE ARE CALLING A HUMAN RESOURCES ROUNDTABLE WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM CORPORATE HR DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG THE CORRIDOR , GETTING THEM INTO A ROOM AND DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT THEY ARE HEARING FROM EMPLOYEES AND THEIR VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS AS ANOTHER INSIGHT INTO LIFE ALONG THE CORRIDOR. SIMILAR TO THE ASK IN HOME PLACE, WANTING TO UNDERSTAND, AS YOU THINK ABOUT THIS , PRIORITIES FOR THE CORRIDOR, THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED IN YOUR MIND AS THE WORLD HAS CHANGED THE LAST 5 TO 10 YEARS. ANY INSIGHTS INTO WHO YOU THINK WE SHOULD MEET WITH OUTSIDE THE ONES WE ALREADY DESCRIBED. ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT? TAKE

YOU. >> MAYBE I MISSED IT, A COUPLE OF THOSE BUILDINGS ALONG THE U.S. 31 CORRIDOR MANAGED BY THE SAME MANAGEMENT COMPANY, YOU ALSO MAY BE REACHING OUT TO THOSE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES THAT KNOW THOSE TENANTS PROBABLY BETTER THAN ANYONE. I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE , YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD PROVIDE A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION.

>> ANYONE ELSE? >> IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO MEET WITH US. YOU CAN ASK THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE LAND THERE ALL YOU WANT, BUT AS FAR AS WHAT DEVELOPMENTS WILL COME THROUGH THIS COUNCIL, IT COULD BE THE POLAR OPPOSITE. IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO GET THE FEEL OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO GET THE PROJECTS THROUGH, OUR OPINION, AND WHAT WE THINK WOULD FLY AND

WHAT WOULD NOT. >> I THINK THAT IS A GREAT..

THIS UPDATE WAS MEANT TO BE A BRIDGE FROM THE LAST CONVERSATION YOU ALL HAD IN THAT RETREAT . I ANTICIPATE

THIS BEING THE LAST ONE. >> SURE.

>> WHAT RETREAT? DID I MISS A RETREAT?

>> I THINK THE RETREAT THAT WE HAD, TALKING ABOUT SATURDAY .

>> I CALLED IT A RETREAT. IT WAS A WORKSHOP.

>> THE FIRST ONE WITH DOCS. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK

[12. OLD BUSINESS]

YOU. >> MOVING ON TO NUMBER 12, OLD BUSINESS. 12TH READING OF ORDINANCE D-2696-23, ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, ADDING CHAPTER 8, ARTICLE 4, TO THE CITY CODE. THIS REMAINS IN THE FINANCE,

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>> I WILL JUST REPORT THAT THIS COMES BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION THE PAST THREE, -- IT PASSED 3-4

WITH ONE OPPOSED. >> GO AHEAD.

>> HAPPY FATHER'S DAY. CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR . AS NOTED, THIS IS A PROJECT INTRODUCED, HEAVILY COVERED BY THE PRESS . IT WENT TO COMMITTEE , PRESIDENT SNYDER'S LAND USE MEETING FOR THREE MEETINGS . I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. THIS FOLLOWED A LARGE COMMUNITY MEETING AS WELL. I THOUGHT THE CONVERSATION WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WAS ALSO FRUITFUL. I ALSO KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME. I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY MORE DETAILS IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I AM LOOKING TO COUNCIL MAC 'S KHQ FOR HOW MUCH TIME YOU WANT ME TO SPEND ON THE

>> THANKS, HENRY. >> I'M SORRY. I ALSO HAVE BRAD HERE TO ANSWER ANY BOND RELATED QUESTIONS IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS.

JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT TO THE LAST CITY COUNCIL. IT WAS IN NOVEMBER AFTER DISCUSSION. IT WAS TABLED UNTIL THE DO MAYER TOOK OVER. AFTER DISCUSSIONS, IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA AND REWORKED WITH NEW NEGOTIATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE. IT WAS BROUGHT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE HAVE SPENT A NUMBER OF MEETINGS , FIRST AND LAND USE, TO GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF ISSUES. THAT IT WENT TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. AGAIN, LOTS OF PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT EVERYONE WENT THROUGH. SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE? ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, IF YOU KNOW, I HAVE SEEN THIS LIGHT BEFORE AT THE LAND USE MEETING. WHAT DID THE PROPOSAL LOOK LIKE, OR WHAT DID IT ENTAIL IN NOVEMBER WENT IN FIRST WAS BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL, AND THEN AFTER COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL MAC A SECOND TIME, AND GOING THROUGH LAND USE AND GOING THROUGH FINANCE? KIND OF THE END PRODUCT.

>> COMPARED TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT LAST YEAR, BUCKINGHAM HAS REDUCED THE MULTIFAMILY BY ABOUT 250 UNITS.

THEY HAVE ADDED 63 MORE FOR SALE TOWNHOMES. THEY BROUGHT BACK IN 104 AGE TARGETED MULTIFAMILY. THAT WAS

ESSENTIALLY THE CHANGES. >> SO THEY KIND OF SUMMARIZED THE DENSITY WAS DECREASED. THEY ADDED THINGS SPECIFICALLY FOR OVER 55. SOME OF THE GROUPS THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO FIND PLACES HERE IN CARMEL. SOME GREEN AND ENVIRONMENTAL PARKS WAS PROACTIVE AND ADDED SOME ELEMENTS TO MORE GREEN SPACE .

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF GOOD CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE, NOT JUST THROUGH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION, BUT ALSO THE NEW COUNCIL WORKING ON IT. WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS?

>> JUST A COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE ON THIS. BACK IN PROBABLY DECEMBER, ME AND COUNCILMEMBER SNYDER ATTENDED A MEETING AT THE HUNTERS'S GLENN HOA. THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. THE NEIGHBORS WERE NOT HAPPY WITH THAT PROPOSAL . KIND OF PUTTING IT LIGHTLY. BUT THE AMOUNT OF WORK YOU GUYS DID TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND TO SEE THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH A PRODUCT THAT MAKES THE NEIGHBORING HOMES HAPPY DOES NOT GO UNAPPRECIATED. THANK YOU FOR

THAT. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANTED TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS SINCE I VOTED AGAINST THIS . I THINK I OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO EXPLAIN WHERE MY HEAD IS.

WHAT WE'RE VOTING HERE TONIGHT , VOTING ON TONIGHT, IS ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR THE DEVELOPER TO ISSUE A TIF BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF. THIS IS A FINANCIAL EFFORT AND DISCUSSION FOR ME .

WE ALL KNOW THAT THE GRAMERCY DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR OVER TWO DECADES. AS PART OF THAT PLAN, THERE WAS ALWAYS A PLAN TO COMPLETE FROM 126 STREET DOWN TO CARMEL DRIVE

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>> ANYONE ELSE? >> I JUST WANTED TO THANK HENRY AND THE TEAM WITH THE WAY THIS PROCESS WORKED. THE TRANSPARENT WAY WE WORKED DIRECTLY WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO BRING ABOUT A PROJECT . IT IS NOT -- THAT IS NOT ALWAYS HAPPENED IN REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. MANY TIMES THERE WAS NOT DISCUSSIONS WITH NEIGHBORS IN LARGE-SCALE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITH PODIUM PLUS 4 TALL BUILDINGS RIGHT UP NEXT TO HOMES. YOU GUYS WORKED VERY CLOSELY. I THINK WE SET A NEW STANDARD ON HOW WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. THE OTHER THING I THINK IS THAT ONE THING WE DO KNOW FROM THE HOUSING STUDY IS THAT WE HAVE A MISSING OF A PRODUCT CALLED THE MISSING MIDDLE. THAT IS DEFINED BY MANY OF THE PRODUCT TYPES THAT ARE BEING INCLUDED INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE NOT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THEY'RE NOT LARGE APARTMENT STYLE COMPLEXES. THEY ARE THREE-STORY CONDOS, ET CETERA. I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT -- THOUGH THE STUDY IS NOT COMPLETED, I THINK PROVIDING SOME MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IS VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK ANOTHER THING THAT WAS A BIG CHANGE, THOUGH I THINK THERE WERE MANY ON THE COUNCIL MAC THAT WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THIS THAT USED TO SERVE LAST YEAR. SO MAYBE WOULD HAVE VOTED MAYBE NOT FOR THE PREVIOUS PROJECT. IT DID HAVE A BIGGER TIF SPLIT . BUT THAT IS DIRECTLY DRIVEN BY REDUCING THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS IN THIS PROJECT. WE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR. AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS A COUNCIL MAC, WE'RE GOING TO SEE DIFFERENT TIF SPLITS BECAUSE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES , FOUR-STORY LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, YOU REDUCE THAT BY 200 UNITS, YOU'RE GOING TO

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>> THANK YOU. THE TIF ONLY MOVE FROM 90/10 TO 98 /2. WHICH I HATE. I THINK IT IS AWFUL. BUT TO GET SOMETHING DONE, AND TO SATISFY ALL THE NEIGHBORS, THAT WAS THE WAY THE PROJECT GOT DONE. THE COUNCIL BEFORE US WAS GOING TO VOTE ON A MUCH DENSER PROJECT. IT WOULD HAVE PASSED AT 90/10. SO THE FINANCIAL PACKAGE DID NOT MOVE THAT MUCH. I AM OKAY WITH THAT. CARMEL DRIVE NEEDS TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY , A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT NEEDS TO BE AN URGENT PRIORITY.

IT IS ONE OF MINE. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE OF THE ADMINISTRATION AS A WHOLE FROM KEYSTONE TO RANGELINE TO MAKE THAT ROADS SAFER TO PUT IN, NOT TEARDROP ROUNDABOUTS LIKE THAT THAT ARE NOT AS EFFECTIVE , AND I'M SURE THE CITY ENGINEER CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT INDIVIDUAL ROUNDABOUTS ACTUALLY CONTROL TRAFFIC AND GIVE INGRESS AND EGRESS POINTS TO EVERYBODY ALONG THERE. LIKE HUNTER'S GLENN. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HELP THEM. BUT PUTTING A SINGLE CIRCLE ROUNDABOUT , THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO DRIVE SO FAR TO TURN LEFT. THEY CAN GET AROUND BETTER. I WANT TO THANK -- THE FIRST MEETING WITH HUNTER'S GLEN WAS RATHER CONTENTIOUS. BUT ARE LAND USE, I AM VERY PROUD OF THIS COMMITTEE, THE LADY SITTING NEXT TO ME, I AM JUST AS PROUD OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT SHOWED UP. WE HAD A LOT. IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE. THEY WERE PRODUCTIVE WITH THE EMAILS. IT WAS CIVIL. THE MISSION AND THEME, WHAT HE IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. EVERYBODY WAS RESPECTFUL. WE DID NOT AGREE , ABSOLUTELY DID NOT AGREE ON SEVERAL THINGS. BUT WE WORKED AROUND IT AND GOT THROUGH IT. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT MAKES THE NEIGHBORS HAPPY.

WHILE I AM NOT SURE I CAN SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THE WORLD IN CARMEL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING DENSITY IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX . AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE BUILDING APARTMENTS IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. I CAN'T FIND A JUSTIFICATION TO SAY NO TO BUILDING APARTMENTS IN AN

APARTMENT COMPLEX. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> WHEN IS THE PHASE OF THE AGE RESTRICTED APARTMENTS ? WHEN

DOES THAT START? >> THAT STARTS IN 2026 . IT IS PART OF THE TOWNHOUSE PHASE .

RIGHT NOW, I'M PROJECTING A FULL COMPLETION IN AREA G IN 2030. THE AGE RESTRICTED PROJECT WILL BE DONE PRIOR TO

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THE COMPLETION OF THE AGE RESTRICTED AREA WILL BE MAYBE

END OF 2027 . >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. APPROVED 7-2.

[13. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. FIRST ITEM , FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE C-690-24.

ORDINANCE OF ESTABLISHING NON-DWELLING SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS AND DEFINITIONS IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO INTRODUCE.

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT. DID YOU READ THE SYNOPSIS?

>> THIS ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES NON-DWELLING SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS TO ADDRESS POOL, BACKER, ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, AND OTHER STRUCTURES OR FACILITIES RENTALS.

>> ALL RIGHT. THE WE HAVE -- IF YOU COULD COME TO THE PODIUM.

>> GOOD EVENING. SPOILER ALERT, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE . THERE ARE NO FANCY GRAPHICS. STILL IMPORTANT TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND FOLLOWING THE POPULARITY OF HOME AND ROOM RENTAL PLATFORMS A FEW YEARS AGO. THE LATEST WAVE OF RENTAL PLATFORMS FEATURES THE HOURLY RENTAL OF POOLS AND OTHER OUTDOOR FACILITIES AT PRIVATE RESIDENCES. SIMILARLY, IN RECENT YEARS, CARMEL HAS SEEN AN EMERGENCE , AND ALSO A GROWING NUMBER OF CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS REGARDING THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR PROPERTIES. A FEW YEARS AGO, CARMEL REVISED THE UDO TO ADDRESS WHAT WAS CALLED SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR DWELLINGS. NOW WE PROPOSED A SIMILAR PROCESS FOR WHAT WE ARE CALLING NON-DWELLING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IT IS KIND OF A WEIRD TERM, BUT BASED ON THESE -- THE STRUCTURE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, THIS KEEPS THE TERMINOLOGY VERY SIMILAR. THE PROPOSAL ITSELF , I CONSUME IT ON THIS. THE PROPOSAL ITSELF INVOLVES ADOPTING A NEW DEFINITION . I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ THAT NOW SO WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IN THE IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND APPROACHED -- PROPOSE STANDARDS. I WILL GO THROUGH THOSE INDIVIDUALLY, BUT TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE PROPOSED DEFINITION IS SHORT-TERM ; NON-DWELLING , ANY OUTDOOR OR INDOOR POOL, YARD, PATIO, DECK, ACCESSORY BUILDING AND OTHER NON-DWELLING STRUCTURE OR FACILITY THAT IS RENTED OR LEASED TO TRANSIENT GUESTS BY A PERMANENT RESIDENT, BOTH OF PROPERTY WERE SUCH NON-DWELLING RENTAL IS LOCATED. THE APPROVAL PROCESS PROPOSES THAT IT IS A ONE-YEAR SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPROVAL BY ABC A HEARING OFFICER . THAT INVOLVES ADDING IF THE IN THE UDO AND ARTICLE 1, AND IT ALSO INVOLVES ADDING SOME LANGUAGE TO SPECIFICALLY APPLY TO THE S 1, 2, R, AND URBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

THESE ARE PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN THE UDO WERE THIS WOULD APPLY. IT ALSO ADDS SOME REFERENCES TO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS SECTION OF THE UDO. AS FOR THE PROPOSED

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>>> WE DID HAVE A FEW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH A NUMBER OF CONCERNS . I BELIEVE THEY WERE ALL FROM ONE PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD , AN INSTANCE THAT HAS BEEN ONGOING THE LAST SUMMER OR TWO. BUT OVERALL , TOO MUCH DELIBERATION WE, WE CAME TO YOU WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> IF I HAVE GOT A PERMIT AND I HAVE APPROVAL FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL LIKE THIS, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL , AND I HAVE A POOL, RENTERS CAN USE THE POOL, CORRECT?

>> YES. >> WHY WOULD I DO WITH THIS AT ALL? WHY WOULDN'T I JUST SECRET TO BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AIR BEING AND NEVER LEAVE THE HOUSE ?

>> ONE COULD CERTAINLY GO THAT DIRECTION. THE STANDARDS WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE SIMILAR , BUT BOTH WOULD REQUIRE THE SAME

APPROVAL PROCESS. >> I ADD TO THAT ANSWER? YOU COULD DO THAT, AND HAVE ADDED. WHAT IS REALLY OCCURRING HIS HOURLY RENTALS OF THIS THING, WHICH ARE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE BLOWING IN FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. SO IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, YOU COULD.

>> I'M SORRY. THE POINT WASN'T THE WORK AROUND. IF THE WORKAROUND WORKS, AND THE WORKAROUND IS CURRENTLY UNDER SOME REVIEW AT THE MOMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD -- WE GOT A SISTER ORDINANCE UNDER REVIEW. WHAT MAKES THIS ONE NOT UNDER REVIEW, IS MY QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN SAY.

>> THE LESS THE BETTER. >> THIS WINTER A SERIOUS LEGAL REVIEW. THIS WAS RECOMMENDED, THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT . WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE

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>> HI, I AM D FOX. I LIVE IN WEST CARMEL. AND I KNOW IT IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, THERE ARE WORKAROUNDS BY PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AROUND. BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS ORDINANCE, BECAUSE IT SEEKS TO PROTECT RESIDENTS FROM THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF NEIGHBORS RENTING OUT OTHER BACKYARD STRUCTURES. THIS INTENT IS, QUOTE, TO PROTECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE , SAFETY OF RESIDENTS, AND QUIET ENJOYMENT OF PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS TO CONSIDER PROPERTY VALUES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. I THINK THIS IS REALLY NEEDED, AND I'VE HAD MY OWN EXPERIENCES WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF MY PROPERTY . I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS , AND THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT, AND I HOPE THOSE ARE WORKED OUT. I AM REALLY IN FAVOR OF WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO PREVENT WORKAROUNDS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE APPROACHING THE PODIUM, SO WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:09.

>> SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DAYS WHERE SOMEONE CAN OPERATE IN AIRBNB IN THEIR HOME WITHOUT ANY PERMIT. WHETHER IT'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CALENDAR DAYS A YEAR, OR ALSO THE CERTAIN DATES WE VOTE ON ANNUALLY . UNDER THIS, WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO IT WITHOUT ANY PERMIT OR ANY PROCESS ON ANY OF THOSE DATES? THEY COULD DO THE WHOLE HOUSE, SLICING THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO PART OF THE PROPERTY, TOO.

>> THIS DOES NOT PROPOSE OR MENTION THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION OR DATES IN THE SAME WAY THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL LANGUAGE WOULD. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THEY WOULDN'T BE ADDED. WE WOULD NEED TO SPECIFICALLY ADD THAT REFERENCE IN HERE. I BELIEVE THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, IT'S ONLY ON THE DATES PREAPPROVED BY COUNSEL EVERY YEAR. THAT WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO DO IT

WITHOUT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. >> I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT , YOU KNOW, THE CODE ENFORCEABILITY OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS. WERE THERE ANY CONCERNS ON THE PART OF ENFORCING, HAVING NEIGHBORS KIND OF DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES? I KNOW WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT

ENFORCEABILITY IN THE PAST. >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. THE ISSUE AT THIS POINT WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT IS THAT THERE IS NOT STRONG LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS US TO

ENFORCE IT OR PUT PROVISIONS. >> THIS FEELS LIKE IT'S STRONG ENOUGH LANGUAGE THAT WE COULD DO THAT AND THIS WOULD NOT BE

AN ISSUE. >> YES, WE HAVE WORKED ON THIS

WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF THERE IS NONE, WE WILL SEND THIS TO LAND-USE. MOVING ON TO THE SECOND ITEM FOR PUBLIC HEARING. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE Z-691-24 , AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, AMENDING THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. SPONSORS ARE COUNCILS GREEN. THEY GET A MOTION TO INTRODUCE? IS THERE A

SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU READ THE SYNOPSIS, PLEASE?

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>> THANK YOU. THIS ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES AN AMENDMENT TO THE JACKSON'S GRANT -- I AM STRUGGLING. LET ME TRY THAT OVER. SORRY. MY APOLOGIES. THIS ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES AN AMENDMENT TO THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, ORDINANCE Z-653-20, WHICH AMENDMENT SHALL BE REFERRED TO AS THE 2024 JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE PUD AMENDMENT ORDINANCE , THE 2024 AMENDMENT. THE 2024 AMENDMENT NEEDS TO AMEND CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF ORDINANCE NUMBER Z-653-20 BY ADDING A PARCEL OF LAND INTO THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, REDEFINING THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CONSENSUAL PLAN USED BLOCKS AND AMENDING THE BULK DENSITY STANDARDS FOR AREA C/NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NODE.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM CITY? OR DO WE JUST ASK ASHLEY? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER.

>> SORRY TO MAKE THE MEETING ANOTHER FEW MINUTES LONGER. I KNOW WE ARE ALREADY AT TWO HOURS AND 14 MINUTES, BUT WHO'S COUNTING? IN THE MEANTIME, I WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND START OUR PRESENTATION . COUNSELORS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH TAFT LAW, AND I REPRESENT THE PETITIONERS COLLECTIVELY AS ERROR ALCHEMIST. THEIR REQUEST FOR BOTH A REZONING OF THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL AND THE AMENDMENT TO THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD OR IS NAMED IN THE ORDINANCE, THE 2024 AMENDMENT. IN THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ACCOMMODATE AN EXISTING APPROVED USE OF A DAY CARE. AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I AM A FELLOW RESIDENT OF CARMEL, AND THEY WOULDN'T BE BRINGING THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU TONIGHT, AND JUST TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS AND THE REQUEST FOR APPROVAL, I AM NOT SURE IF IT IS KARMA THAT WE ARE ON THIS AGENDA, BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT SAY THAT THE THEME SO FAR TONIGHT FOR THIS MEETING IS THAT EXCELLENT SERVICES ARE BEING PROVIDED TO OUR CITIZENS AND GROWING INFRASTRUCTURE TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF OUR YOUTH.

IT IS CLEAR TONIGHT THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS A FOCUS FOR BUILDING EXCELLENT PARKS TO ATTRACT CHILDREN WITH FAMILIES TO OUR GREAT CITY. IT'S ALSO THE FACT THAT THE CITY IS FOCUSED ON OUR YOUTH, AND THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES THAT WE ARE SEEKING TO ATTRACT AND USE THESE GREAT PARKS WOULD BE IN NEED OF GOLD MEDAL LEVEL DAY CARE. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE OLYMPICS TONIGHT AND PROMOTING CHILDREN TO OLYMPIANS. IT IS A FACT, BASED ON JUST TONIGHT, THAT THIS CITY IS ATTRACTING FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN TO IT. WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WE ARE ASKING YOU FOR JUST THAT. THE HUGE VALUE OF HAVING A

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SO AS YOU MAY SEE, I'M A LITTLE OLD SCHOOL. I DID PUT A PACKET IN FRONT OF YOU. I DID IT FOR THE SHEER FACTOR THAT THE PACKET GOT VERY LONG, AND WHEN I HAVE A LARGE PDF, I DON'T LIKE SCROLLING THROUGH IT ON MY COMPUTER. THERE ARE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE PACKET THAT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH YOU TONIGHT ON THE IN PERSON . AND AS WE SAID, THE OVERVIEW OF THIS PROPOSAL , IT BEGINS AT THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD THAT WAS APPROVED . AND WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT I WAS A FULLY CONTENTIOUS APPROVAL. IT ALSO WASN'T A UNANIMOUS APPROVAL. SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WEREN'T PRESENT. BUT WHAT WAS MISSING FROM THAT PROPOSAL WAS A CUNNINGHAM PARCEL, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 1.8 ACRES. IT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY ZONE IS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO TO BE VERY CONCISE, THE PROPOSAL IS REQUESTING A RESULT OF THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL, WHICH WOULD ENABLE THAT MISSING PIECE TO COME IN FROM ITS CURRENT ZONING INTO THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD TO BE DEVELOPED IN A WAY THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL IDEA TO BEGIN WITH. IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, WE NEED TO AMEND THE ALREADY APPROVED USE BLOCK AREAS, WHICH I WILL GET TO HEAR THE MOMENT. AREA B AND AREA C. AREA C IS A LITTLE CONFUSING, BECAUSE AREA C, AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, IS THE CURRENTLY APPROVED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NODE. THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT REQUIRES INCREASED BULK DENSITY STANDARDS . WE ARE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE FACT -- TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE COMMERCIAL NODE. THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T ORIGINALLY APPROVED USE TO HAVE A DAY CARE IN THIS COMMUNITY. BUT THE ONLY REASON WE COULD NOT BUILD IT TODAY IS THIS INDUSTRY STANDARD. AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT LIMIT THE ABILITY NOT TO HAVE JUST THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALL THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY , NEW OR COMING ON THE LINE WITH ALL THE APARTMENTS DOWN THE STREET, NOT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DAY CARE WHEN THE CARMEL COMMUNITY IS IN NEED OF ONE. SO I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS POINT TOO MUCH, BUT AS YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PD, THIS IS ALL IN YOUR PACKET FOR REVIEW -- BUT IT IS ON THIS CORNER OF SPRING MILL AND 116TH STREET. COLLECTIVELY SPEAKING, I WOULD CALL IT CATTY CORNER TO THE BRIDGES DEVELOPMENT . THAT IS A VERY HIGH DENSITY COMMERCIAL ALREADY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE , SPECIFICALLY IF YOU STAND IN THE DEVELOPMENT AS IT IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THIS. ALL OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS ARE USING THE BRIDGES, AND IT IS A GREAT DEVELOPMENT. WHAT DID YOU APPROVED FOUR YEARS AGO ? ALL OF US WERE IN DIFFERENT ROLES AT THAT TIME, SO JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU APPROVED AS A BODY WAS THAT JACKSON'S GRANT

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THIS PHOTO IS SLIGHTLY OUTDATED BECAUSE GOOGLE MAPS HASN'T UPDATED. BUT THE YELLOW OUTLINE IS THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL .

SURROUNDING IT LOOKS LIKE NAKED LAND. I BELIEVE THERE'S THREE TOWNHOMES ALREADY STARTED. ALL THE ROADS ARE PRETTY MUCH IN AT THIS POINT. SIGNAGE. YOU CAN SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS COMING IN. THIS IS THE WAY IT LOOKS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS.

WHEN WE STARTED IT . IT IS WELL PAST THAT. SO WHY IS THE APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING PLAN AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILL AN ORIGINAL VISION FOR 116TH STREET? IT ENSURES CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PARCELS. IT CREATES AN INTEGRATED, WELL-PLANNED MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT AND ADDRESSES UNUSUAL SITE CONDITIONS AND SURROUNDINGS. SO I WANTED TO JUST ALSO ADDRESS, WHAT ARE WE ASKING YOU FOR? I'M GOING TO FLIP BACK AND FORTH HERE. ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2020. WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR NOW IS THE PROPOSED PLAN. THIS IS A DIFFERENT VERSION OF WHAT WE JUST SAID. THE GREEN IS THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL . YOU CAN SEE IN THE GREEN PORTION OF THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL, WE WOULD BE ADDING ALMOST 90% OF IT INTO AREA B TO BE DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOMES IN THE SAME MANNER AND CHARACTERISTIC AS WHAT IS ALREADY APPROVED.

THE LITTLE SLIVER ON THE RIGHT OF THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL AND OVER IN THE RED AREA WOULD BE ASKING TO BE ADDED INTO AREA C.

AT AREA C IS THAT EXISTING COMMERCIAL NODE. WE WOULD BE INCREASING THE SIZE SLIGHTLY, BUT WE ARE ALSO ADDING 1.8 ACRES INTO THE PUD. SO WHAT THESE TWO SHOW , CONCENTRATE ON WHERE THE COMMERCIAL NODE IS. UNFORTUNATELY, MY CURSOR ISN'T WORKING TONIGHT. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE THREE 10 PROPOSED COMMERCIALS THAT WERE APPROVED RIGHT AT THE FRONT OF SPRING MILL ROAD. YOU CAN SEE A PARKING LOT. AND THEN THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE -- THE COMMISSION , I CAN POINT RIGHT HERE. UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T DO THAT. THERE'S TWO BLOCKS OF TOWNHOMES ON THE APPROVED PLAN THAT ESSENTIALLY WOULD BE FLIPPED ONTO THE COMMERCIAL OR ONTO THE CUNNINGHAM PROPERTY, AND WE WOULD BE ADDING ADDITIONAL CONDOMINIUMS . IN PLACE OF WHERE THOSE ORIGINALLY APPROVED TOWNHOUSES WOULD BE , WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL STANDALONE BUILDING WITH THE INTENT OF IT BEING A DAY CARE NEIGHBORHOOD USE THAT IS APPROVED. AND AGAIN, THE ONLY THING THAT IS NOT APPROVED IS THE INCREASE IN SIZE OF THE BUILDING , WHICH IS ROUGHLY 2500 SQUARE FEET LARGER THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED NOW. WE BELIEVE THAT THE KEY FACTORS IN THIS PROPOSAL IS THAT THIS IS THE MISSING PIECE THAT WASN'T ABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED FOR MANY REASONS BACK IN 2020. THIS IS IDEAL BECAUSE IT BLENDS THE

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THIS WOULD BE THE MOST DESIRABLE USE FOR THE LAND. IT WOULD INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE TOWNSHIP, BECAUSE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAXES COULD BE REALIZED. WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE MOST RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH FOR THIS PARCEL WITH INTEGRATION OF DESIGN, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE PD, AND CONNECTIVITY.

WHEN MY CLIENT AND I APPROACHED THE CITY STAFF, THIS WAS NOT OUR ORIGINAL INTENT. WE WERE ORIGINALLY JUST GOING TO DESIGN THE DAY CARE ON THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL. CITY STAFF DID NOT SUPPORT THAT VISION. AND WE DISCUSSED WITH THEM THE IDEA OF BRINGING THIS CUNNINGHAM PARCEL IN TO COMPLETE THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE , AS WE UNDERSTOOD IT BEING ENVISIONED FOUR YEARS AGO. IN ORDER FOR THAT TO ACCOMPLISH, TO BE ACCOMPLISHED , SOME COMPLICATED ZONING AMENDMENTS WOULD BE NEEDED. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA. AND THIS AMENDMENT WOULD SOLVE AN ISLAND BEING CREATED ON 116TH STREET.

IT WOULD SOLVE A RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY IN AN AREA THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. AND IT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE DENSITY OVERALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT BY -- AND YOU GET ADDITIONAL LOTS.

IT ALSO DOES NOT ALTER ANY LOT SIZES, THAT BACKS, OR MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE FOR ANY EXISTING AREA. IT MAINTAINS EXISTING AND ORIGINAL MULTIUSE TENANT BUILDINGS ALONG SPRING MILL ROAD. ALL IT DOES IS TAKE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY VIEWED AS RESIDENTIAL AND MOVE IT SLIGHTLY WEST. AND IN ITS PLACE , PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH AN AMAZING USE FOR THE FUTURE OF CARMEL. AND IT ALSO DOES ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING TO BE USED AS OVERFLOW FOR THE COMMERCIAL THAT IS GOING IN THERE. AND BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF, ENGINEERING HAS SUPPORTED THIS , DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS SUPPORTED THIS TO FINISH THE VISION OF THIS AREA. I CAN GO INTO THE SPECIFIC TEXT AMENDMENTS IF YOU LIKE, OR IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO IS GETS SENT T COMMITTEE, I AM ABLE TO DO THAT TOO. I UNDERSTAND THIS MEETING HAS GONE A LITTLE LONG. WE WOULD ALSO BE COMMITTED TO DESIGNING THE BUILDING TO BE CONGRUENT WITH THE ACTUAL DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE IN JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE. IF THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL DOES NOT GET INCLUDED INTO THE PUD, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE BUILT THERE WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE CONGRUENT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT WOULD LOOK VERY OUT OF PLACE IF IT IS NOT A REBUILD INTO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IT IS VERY UNLIKELY FOR THAT HOME TO REMAIN THE WAY IT IS NOW.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL . IN ADDITION, I THINK ONE OTHER IMPORTANT THING IS, THE CITY IS EXTREMELY WELL-CONNECTED.

CONNECTIVITY IS A BIG PART OF CARMEL THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS AT THE PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND ALL THE GREAT PROJECT YOU FOLKS HAVE GOING ON. THIS WILL FINISH THE SIDEWALK AND SPRING MILL THROUGH 116TH STREET AND DOWN FOR THEIR PAST TO THE EDGE. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A GAP. AND THE OTHER RESIDENTS ARE WALKING TO THIS AREA FROM THE CHURCH TO THE SOUTH, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK THERE NOW. IT PROTECTS THE AREA THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED, DROPS SOME OF THE DENSITY, AND AS FAR AS TODAY, OF ALL DAYS TO COME IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE, WITH THE FOCUS ON KIDS AND FAMILIES AND ALL THESE INCREDIBLE THINGS YOU HAVE GOING IS A COMMUNITY, GREAT DAY CARE CENTERS. CHILDCARE AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ARE

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SO IMPORTANT. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS?

COUNSELOR LOCK. >> I JUST HAVE A THRESHOLD QUESTION. LOOKING AT THESE DRAWINGS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ONES. PUT UP SLIGHT 11 AGAIN AND THE

COUPLE BEFORE THAT. >> I WOULD LOVE TO. WE LOST A

LEG. >> JUST A QUESTION. THE ONE I PULLED UP FROM THE PACKET HAS A ROUNDABOUT STRUCTURE IN FRONT OF THE TOWNHOMES. THE ONE THAT WAS SHOWN SIDE-BY-SIDE WITH THE EVENTUAL NEW DEVELOPMENT HAD TWO PARKING LOT SPOTS . I'M WONDERING INFLOW IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE BETWEEN

THESE TWO. >> IT WAS ACTUALLY WHEN YOU SHIFT THE TOWNHOMES TO THE WEST.

>> IT'S NOT AFTER THE SHIFT. IT IS BEFORE THE SHIFT. ON THE SIDE-BY-SIDE YOU PUT UP THERE, IT HAD TWO ROWS OF PARKING

LOTS. >> WE LOST OUR LINK. GOT IT, THANK YOU.

>> WE DO THESE ON MONDAYS, SO WE CAN GO ALL WEEK IF WE NEED TO.

>> THERE IT IS. THANK YOU. IT'S ON MY LAPTOP.

>> HI, RACHEL WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. THERE WAS A POINT WHERE WE CHANGED THAT DESIGN TO BETTER FIT WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAD AT THAT TIME, WHERE THERE WERE TOWNHOMES ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET, AND THEN WE PUT THE PARKING NEXT TO THE STREET. LIKE THE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES. SO WE CHANGED IT FROM -- NOT A ROUNDABOUT, BUT A CUL-DE-SAC TO A MORE FUNCTIONAL PARKING LOT FOR THE PROPOSAL THAT IT WAS AT THAT TIME.

>> OKAY. YEAH. TOTALLY FINE. >> THAT WAS AN OUT OF DATE

DRAWING. >> AND THEN MY NEXT -- YEAH.

IT'S ON THE COVER OF THE BOOK YOU GAVE US, IT'S GOT THIS CUL-DE-SAC. AND THE ONE WE SAW IN THE SIDE-BY-SIDE -- YEAH.

SEE THE CUL-DE-SAC NEXT TO THE TOWNHOMES? IT'S A DIFFERENT FEEL. YUP. IN THE REDLINE. YUP, RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE. IN THE CIRCLE. AND THEN IN THE SIDE-BY-SIDE, IT SHOWED THAT

THAT WAS IN THE PARKING LOT. >> SURE. THAT'S MY FAULT. I PULLED IT OFF THE DRAWING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS SHOWN TO BE APPROVED IN 2020. THAT WOULD BE MY FAULT OR NOT HAVING THAT

UPDATED. >> I JUST SAW IT AS A DISCREPANCY. AND THEN SECOND QUESTION, KNOWING THE HISTORY OF THIS AND WHERE IT HAS COME FROM, KNOWING THIS PARCEL IS SORT OF THE COMPLETION OF A BLOCK, AND KNOWING JUST THE ISSUE OF 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL WEST OF THIS ROAD , BEING A STRETCH AND BEING AN ISSUE OF DISCUSSION AND CONCERN OF FITTING, I'M WONDERING, HAVE THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON SHIFTING SOME ABOUT 20,000 TO THIS DAY CARE ? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, WE ALL KNOW THAT IN SOME CAPACITY, NATIONWIDE, CITYWIDE, STATEWIDE, THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF AMENITIES FOR CHILDCARE . THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT CARES ABOUT CHILDREN, CARES ABOUT FAMILY, CARES ABOUT STRUCTURE. SOME OF US DREAD OUR KIDS ALL THE WAY UP TO NORTH WESTFIELD EVERY DAY, WHICH IS GREAT. BUT KNOWING THERE IS NEED THERE, KNOWING THAT THERE IS A PROCESS, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF SHIFTING OUT THAT ALREADY CONTENTIOUS PROCESS ? AND WE WOULD JUST LOVE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHAT THAT

LOOKS LIKE. >> IT REALLY GETS BACK TO THE ORDINANCE IN THE PUD . THE BUILDINGS ARE CURRENTLY CAPPED AT 7500 FEET. AND TO REALLY OPERATE A DAY CARE, WE HAVE

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>> JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S 20,000 FEET OF IMPROVED COMMERCIAL IN THERE NOW. WHAT IS BEFORE US TONIGHT WITHOUT

ANOTHER 10,000? >> ACTUALLY, WHAT WE PROPOSE, EVEN THOUGH YOU APPROVED 20,000, THEY PROPOSED 17,200 AND THE FINAL PLAN. SO IT WOULD BE -- EXACTLY CORRECT. A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THAT . BUT IT IS ACTUALLY BELOW WHAT

THEY BEEN APPROVED FOR. >> SO IT'S ADDING 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USING THE PROOF OF COMMERCIAL ?

>> RIGHT. WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT, SO IT'S NOT UNDER

PROPERTY CONTROL. >> JUST A COMMENT. I HAVE TWO CONCERNS KINDA RIGHT OFF THE BAT. ONE, I TOOK MY DAUGHTER TO A DAY CARE, AND I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE -- PARENTS LATE FOR WORK DROPPING THE KID OFF AT DAY CARE , SPEEDING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO THE DAY CARE. IN THE WAY YOU HAVE IT POSITIONED, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY GO RIGHT BY RESIDENTIAL HOMES POSSIBLY IN ORDER TO DROP THEIR KID OFF AT DAY CARE. WHICH, I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN. AND SECOND, I WAS ON THE COUNCIL WHEN THE ORIGINAL JACKSON'S GRANT PUD WAS APPROVED. I DID VOTE YES, BUT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAD TO VOTE YES WAS PUTTING SOME OF THESE LIMITATIONS ON THE COMMERCIAL. WE LIMIT A LOT OF THE USES. YES, WE DID NOT LIMIT DAY CARE AS A USE. BUT WE LIMITED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SO MUCH THAT I DON'T THINK WE ENVISION THIS. I THINK A LITTLE UMBRAGE WHEN WE SAY THIS IS ALWAYS HOW IT WAS ENVISIONED, WHEN WE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WASN'T MORE THAN 20,000 SQUARE FEET AND WASN'T MORE THAN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET PER BUSINESS OR UNIT. AND THAT WAS -- I WOULD SAY THAT WAS A PROMISE WE MADE TO THE NEIGHBORS, BUT IT'S MORE THAN A PROMISE. IT'S IN WRITING, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT I PERSONALLY -- I CAN'T GO BACK ON IT, AS I FEEL LIKE I WOULD BE -- MY CREDIBILITY WOULD BE SHOT WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE I MADE A PROMISE. I CAN'T UNDO THAT.

SO DURING PLAN COMMISSION, AT THE FINAL HEARING, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FOR, HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD BUILD IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS, OR HERE IS THE PLAN B. ARE YOU PREPARED IF THIS GOES TO LAND USE, OR TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT PLAN B WOULD BE? BECAUSE I PERSONALLY CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS PLAN A.

>> I THINK WHAT IS THAT SUPER IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IS IT WAS A PROMISE THAT WAS MADE, AND EVERYONE MAKES A LOT OF PROMISES. I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE IS THAT CARMEL HAS DONE SUCH A INCREDIBLE JOB AT GROWTH, AND WITH AVAILABILITY FOR DAY CARE, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED . AND THAT IS REALLY THE KEY, IT IS A PROMISE THAT WAS MADE AND HAD A PROPOSAL AT THE TIME THIS WAS AVAILABLE. IT'S BECAUSE THIS PARCEL WAS NOT INCLUDED. AND AS FAR AS THE DESIGN ASPECT, IT ONLY MADE SENSE AT THE VERY FRONT PART , AS CLOSE TO 116TH AND SPRING AS POSSIBLE. WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION. THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR BLANKET COMMERCIAL APPROVAL. THIS WOULD BE ONLY LIMITED TO DAY CARE AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

>> I HAVE TWO THINGS. SO NUMBER ONE, I DO THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF YOUNG FAMILIES IN THIS COMMUNITY. AS A PEDIATRICIAN, SOMEBODY WHO HAS WORKED WITH YOUNG FAMILIES AND KNOWS THE NEED, ESPECIALLY A WORKING WOMEN, TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR CHILDREN IN AND OUT OF A QUALITY DAY CARE , I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT SERVICE. I TAKE ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT IT IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER RETAIL, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS LIKE ANY OTHER RETAIL. I THINK IT IS A COMMUNITY SERVICE, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT INTENT THAN JUST VOLUME RETAIL. AND YOU CAN LIMIT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ALL YOU WANT OF THE RETAIL FOR 7500 SQUARE FEET VERSUS 20 SQUARE FEET, YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET. I RECOGNIZE 10,000 IN TOTAL. BUT YOU LIMIT THAT,

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>> IT'S THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT REPUBLIC. WE ARE A SEPARATE ENTITY. WE DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO AMEND THE PUD.

>> WHICH WAS ACTUALLY A REQUIREMENT TO RECEIVE UNDER THE PUD, IS THAT REPUBLIC IS THE MASTER DEVELOPER WITH NO CHANGES TO THIS BEING MADE WITHOUT THEIR APPROVAL. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE HAD TO ASK THEM.

>> YOU CAN CLARIFY THIS, BECAUSE YOU ARE HERE TONIGHT, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES -- YOU HELPED THEM TO COME OUT WITH THIS PLAN, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT YOU FELT WAS NOT GOING TO BE INTROVERTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IS THAT CORRECT,

OR AM I SPEAKING OUT OF TURN? >> GOOD EVENING. I'M DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. THIS CAME INTO US AS A STANDALONE DAY CARE, AND WE DID SEE MAJOR ADVANTAGES TO INTEGRATING IT INTO THE PROJECT. AS A RESULT IS WHAT IS BEFORE YOU THIS

EVENING. >> ALL RIGHT. WE GOT A BATTING ORDER NOW. EVERYBODY KNOWS COUNSELOR SNYDER, THE COUNSELOR GROW, AND COUNSELOR BERNARD, THEN COUNSELOR TAYLOR. GO

AHEAD, COUNSELOR SNYDER. >> FIRST, WE TALK ABOUT NEED FOR DAY CARE. THE USE OF THIS HAS NO IMPACT ON ME AT ALL, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DEFINING NEED CORRECTLY, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HOLD ALL THE STATE DAY CARE PERMITS AND NO ONE IS ACTING AT CAPACITY. CRÈME DE LA CRÈME IS ALREADY AT LIKE 61%. WHICH IS WHERE MY CHILDREN GO. THERE IS NOTHING IN CARMEL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SMALL 10 TO 15 KIDS MOM-AND-POP DAY CARES THAT HOLD PERMITS AT CAPACITY. THE FLIPSIDE IS, IT IS CONVENIENT. I HAVE A DAY CARE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD ENJOY THAT BECAUSE I WOULD BE DRIVING KIDS ACROSS TOWN. THE COUNSELOR ASKED THE VERY DIRECT QUESTION AND IT WAS NOT ANSWERED, AND I NEED THAT ANSWER, BECAUSE I CAN READ THIS ROOM VERY WELL. WE CAN VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT AND IT WOULD GO ONE WAY. AND UNLESS YOU ANSWER COUNSELOR AUSTIN'S QUESTION, ARE YOU READY TO DO A PLAN B, I'M NOT SURE IT'S READY TO GO TO COMMITTEE. ARE YOU READY TO DO A PLAN B?

>> YES, WE ARE MORE THAN READY TO WORK WITH STAFF AND NEIGHBORS TO WORK OUT A PLAN B. WE CAN'T DICTATE WHAT REPUBLIC WILL DO, BUT WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A USE THAT WE FEEL IS NEEDED FOR THE COMMITTEE, ESPECIALLY TO THIS AREA TO THE WEST OF 31 WHERE THERE IS SOME LACK OF SERVICES. AND VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT AREA IS GOING TO CONTINUALLY GET MORE AND MORE HOUSING. THIS IS GOING TO BE AN AREA THAT IS IMPORTANT, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO WORK WITH WHATEVER WE NEED TO. THAT WAS THE REASON WHY WE MADE THE ORIGINAL CHANGE FROM JUST THE PARCEL IN THE PUD TO WORKING WITH STAFF.

>> THE CONCERN IS , WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR OVER SIX MONTHS. AND I AM LESS CONCERNED ON WORKING THROUGH IT THEN ANSWERING COUNSELOR AUSTIN'S QUESTION -- DO YOU HAVE A PLAN B ? YOU HAVE PLANS THAT YOU CAN INTRODUCE THAT ARE

DIFFERENT. >> AT THIS TIME TODAY, WHAT'S

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>> YES. >> WE HAVE NOT ENGINEERED ANYTHING. WHAT WE CAME WITH TODAY WAS THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE HAD. THERE WERE SOME CHANGES TO ADDRESS THAT, SO WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO TRY TO GET A PROJECT

THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE. >> THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IMPLANT COMMISSION. FOR MONTHS, NOTHING HAPPENED, THEN YOU SPLIT A VOTE, AND NOW WE ARE ALL HERE. IF IT WAS A GREAT PROJECT, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED . WE ARE TALKING 10,000 SQUARE FEET. THEY JUST DID SEVERAL MILLION SQUARE FEET AND GOT IT DONE IN LESS TIME. THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A HANGUP.

WE HAVE WORKED THIS TO DEATH. WE HAVE USED CITY RESOURCES TO DEATH ON THIS. IF IT WAS FANTASTIC, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THIS MUCH. I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO BE AS PALATABLE, AT LEAST TO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE. AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK COUNSELOR AUSTIN'S QUESTION WAS POIGNANT. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU DO. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE WILLING TO WORK, YOU HAD SIX MONTHS TO WORK, AND I THINK THAT'S WERE SOME OF THE FRUSTRATION IS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANTED TO JUST PROVIDE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. SO THERE IS NO PLAN B FOR ME. I CANNOT VOTE FOR THIS EVEN IF THERE WAS A PLAN B, AND I CAN EXPLAIN WHY. I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT HERE WHO WANT A DAY CARE. I USE DAY CARE, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. BUT I THINK WHAT I WANT TO IMPART AT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WRESTLING WITH THIS IS HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AND THAT IS WITH VERY SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS ON THIS COMMERCIAL NODE. THAT WAS DONE ON PURPOSE.

I PERSONALLY PUT IN HOURS AND HOURS, AND WHAT I FOUND WAS THAT THERE WAS A GROUP OF RESIDENTS OF JACKSON'S GRANT YOU WANTED A COMMERCIAL NODE, THERE WAS A LARGER GROUP WHO DID NOT ANY VERY LOCAL GROUP WHO DID NOT. SO THE COMMERCIAL NODE BECAME A REALITY, BECAUSE WE CAREFULLY AND VERY SPECIFICALLY LIMITED 20,000 SQUARE FEET . BUT NO BUILDING LARGER THAN 7500, AND NO ONE USE GREATER THEN 5000. THAT IS EXTREMELY SPECIFIC AND WAS DONE FOR A REASON. AND I AM SORRY. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU BACK THEN. MRS. CUNNINGHAM WAS STILL DOING HER OWN THING. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. SO TO THE DOCTORS POINT, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME SERVICES IN THERE, BUT VERY CONTROLLED. FRANKLY , SO THAT THIS EXACT THING DID NOT HAPPEN. THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY WAS AFRAID OF.

WELL, YOU GUYS WILL PASS THIS, AND YOU WILL COME IN AND AMEND IT. CARMEL HAS DONE THAT. I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF THAT WAS A WORRY -- SO I HAVE BEEN NO , I SAID IT IN APRIL 28TH AT THE JACKSON'S GRANT H AWAY MEETING. NOT BECAUSE IT'S A DAY CARE, NOT BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC, NOT BECAUSE OF NOISE OR LIGHTING, ANYTHING ELSE, ONLY BECAUSE I MADE A PROMISE.

I MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE PEOPLE THAT SAID, OKAY, I DON'T LIKE YOUR YES VOTE FOR THIS, BUT I WILL GO ALONG WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE ASSURED ME THAT THIS IS AS -- IN THEIR MIND, AS BAD AS IT COULD BE. I CAN'T DO THIS. THERE IS NO PLAN B FOR ME. I'M SORRY. I WISH YOU THE BEST. IF THEY WANT TO SELL IT, IT HAS TO STAND ON ITS OWN, BUT IT CANNOT BE PART

OF THIS IN MY WORLD. >> COUNSELOR MINNAAR.

>> THINK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT IN THIS PRESENTATION. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE WORK THAT WAS DONE BY THE COMMISSION WAS VERY DIFFICULT, AND WE WORKED THROUGH TO DEATH . AT LEAST I THOUGHT WE DID.

AND -- BUT HERE WE ARE. AND I DID WANT TO TELL YOU, I REALLY HAD SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH THE PUD THROUGH THE JACKSON'S GRANT PUD , THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD , ALL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS MEETINGS LOOKING UP TO JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE, THE AUGUST 7, 2020, CITY COUNCIL MEETING WERE JEFF ADAM, TONY VOTED ON THAT. AND I ALSO SPOKE TO A LOT OF THE DECISION-MAKERS AT THE TIME DURING THAT PERIOD OUTSIDE OF THE COUNCIL THAT SITS HERE NOW. AND I SAID IT

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>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> YOU ARE WELCOME. IT WAS IN THE AUGUST 17TH MEETING OF 2020. I HAVE HEARTBURN WITH THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT WE ALSO ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL. IF THERE WERE SOME WAY OF WORKING THAT THROUGH THROUGH PLANT CONDITION , IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GO BACK ON A

CODIFIED PROMISE FOR ME. >> COUNSELOR TAYLOR.

>> I REMEMBER DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO THIS AREA GOING BACK TO THE BRIDGES DEVELOPMENT , BEFORE JACKSON'S GRANT WAS EVEN THERE. WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH IN THAT AREA. I AM IN THE SAME PLACE , AND REGARDLESS OF THE USE, I'M IN THE SAME PLACE AS COUNSELOR MINNAAR . WOULD YOU MAKE AN AMENDMENT, YOU TO STAY BY IT REGARDLESS OF THE USE. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME SPEAKING WITH NEIGHBORS AND IF THIS DOESN'T GO TO COMMITTEE

TONIGHT, I AM VOTING NO. >> ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE WILL TAKE A BREAK AND WE WILL DO THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOT A BREAK IN THE COUNCIL MEETING, BUT WE WILL TAKE A BREAK IN THIS DISCUSSION OF HERE. IF I COULD, I WOULD HAVE DONE IT AN HOUR AGO. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL START THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:54, AND SO WE WILL GO AHEAD. PAUL MORRISON, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP -- OR WHOMEVER. IT IS FREE FLOAT. THE THREE OF YOU, I KNOW YOU WANT TO TALK. SO ONE AT A TIME, AND ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CAN GO AHEAD AND GET IN LINE. YOU GET THREE MINUTES, JUST LIKE THE DISCUSSION EARLIER. BUT YOU WATCH THE LIGHTS, AS WE SPOKE EARLIER DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. YOU ARE GOOD TO GO.

>> OKAY. SO I AM NANCY BARNES, AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT AT JACKSON'S GRANT SINCE THE CONCEPTION. AND ADAM WAS AT THE MEETINGS I WAS AT, AND WE WERE KIND OF DISCUSSING THIS WHOLE THING. REPUBLIC WAS ONE OF THOSE DEVELOPERS THAT CAME IN , PROMISED YOU ALL THESE THINGS, AND THEN SLOWLY TOOK THINGS AWAY. IN THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE, IT WAS BROUGHT TO US -- WHAT WAS IT? IN 2020. SO THE LAND WITH THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE WAS BUILT, IT WAS ZONED AS SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WHEN I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY. I WAS TOLD WHEN I BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY THAT THAT QUADRANT WAS JUST GOING TO BE AN EXTENSION OF HOUSES. SO THAT IS WHAT WE WERE PROMISED. WE BOUGHT IT IN 2016. BY 2020, THEY HAD DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO GO IN THERE AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE OF A MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY HAD DONE. THEN THEY WANTED TO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL SPACE. AND MY HUSBAND AND I WERE AT ALL OF THESE MEETINGS IN OUR CLUBHOUSE AND OTHER PLACES AND 75% OF US WERE AGAINST IT. WE WERE AGAINST THE COMMERCIAL. WE DID NOT WANT COMMERCIAL WITHIN OUR JACKSON'S GRANT AREA. AS WE WERE TOLD, WEST OF SPRINGHILL ROAD WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANY MORE COMMERCIAL . AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE COMMERCIAL IS STARTING TO CREEP ALL THE WAY WEST OF SPRINGHILL ROAD. AND SO WE WERE AGAINST IT AT THAT POINT. WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE SMALL COMMERCIAL NODE. SO WE WEREN'T HAPPY ABOUT IT, BUT WE FELT OKAY ONCE IT WAS ALL AGREED UPON. SO THE PROMISES WERE MADE, AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS IT. WELL, NOW HERE WE ARE AGAIN FOUR YEARS LATER, RIGHT? AND HERE WE ARE STILL LIVING IN JACKSON'S GRANT, STILL SEVEN YEARS LATER, AND THE PROMISES WE JUST HOPE CAN STAY AS PROMISED, THAT WE

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IT IS AGAINST MORE BUILDING AND WERE PARKING LOTS. MORE NOISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE LOVE CHILDREN. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. WE HAVE CLAY CENTER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL RIGHT BEHIND US. WE LOVE IT. NOTHING WRONG WITH IT AT ALL. BUT CLAY CENTER ROAD CAN'T HANDLE THE TRAFFIC. WE DON'T HAVE PARENTS COMING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS MY PERSONAL, MY FAMILY COMING TO YOU AND SAYING, WE REALLY DO REALLY WANT TO KEEP IT WHERE IT IS, WHATEVER THE LITTLE SMALL RETAIL IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS WHAT WAS AGREED UPON IN 2020. SO THAT IS MY TWO CENTS.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PAUL MORRISON. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF JACKSON'S GRANT HLA. NANCY IS ON OUR BOARD. I AM HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK AGAINST THE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PUD. I WOULD CALL IT TO THE VILLAGE FROM HERE ON OUT TO SAVE SOME TIME. IN MY REMARKS ADDRESS A TOPIC THAT IS NOT RECEIVING ENOUGH ATTENTION OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AND THAT IS THE IMPACT THE VILLAGE WILL HAVE ON LOCAL TRAFFIC. THE ORIGINAL PUD, APPROVED IN 2020, RELIED ON TRAFFIC ANALYSIS REPORT FROM 2011 DO TO REDUCE TRAFFIC DURING THE PANDEMIC.

THAT REPORT CONCLUDED A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT CAUSE AN ADVERSE AFFECT TO THE SYSTEM. THAT CONCLUSION WAS A MISTAKE, IN MY OPINION. GIVEN THE CURRENT TRAFFIC DATA. THE VILLAGE AMENDMENT WAS SUBMITTED EARLIER THIS YEAR AND INCLUDED A NEW TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, A ONE-PAGE REPORT. ONE PAGE. IT ONLY ESTIMATED THE NUMBER OF TRIPS A DAY CARE SCHOOL WOULD GENERATE. THERE WAS NO ANALYSIS OF THE CURRENT TRAFFIC VOLUME IN THE AREA OR THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC VOLUME EXPECTED FROM THE VILLAGE WITH A SMALL COMMERCIAL NODE. A NEW TRAFFIC ANALYSIS REPORT SUBMITTED IN APRIL, SHOWING THE EXISTING TRAFFIC FLOWING THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT AT 116TH AND SPRINGVILLE. PLUS, THE EXPECTED ADDITIONAL VOLUME FOR THE VILLAGE OF THE DAY CARE STOOL. DURING THE AFTERNOON PEAK HOUR, THE PARK SHOWS NEARLY 1000 VEHICLES WILL TRAVEL WESTBOUND TOWARD THAT ROUNDABOUT. 74% OF THOSE VEHICLES WILL CONTINUE WEST ON 116TH. THE ONE PAGE TRAFFIC LETTER FROM LAST YEAR RECOMMENDED THE ACCESS POINT OFF OF 116TH BE DESIGNED AS LIMITED TO RIGHT IN AND WRITE OUT ONLY. NO LEFT-HAND TURNS , THEY WERE NOT RECOMMENDED. THE NEW TRAFFIC ANALYSIS REPORT RECOMMENDS LEFT-HAND TURNS. HE RECOMMENDED NOW. IN AND OUT OF THE VILLAGE, TO AND FROM 116TH. WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE LAST YEAR'S REPORT? LEFT-HAND TURNS ONTO 116TH WILL BE DIFFICULT, IF NOT DANGEROUS. DURING THE PEAK HOUR PERIODS. THE ACCESS ROAD IS TOO CLOSE TO THE ROUNDABOUT. THE REPORT PREDICTS THIS ACCESS POINT WILL, QUOTE, OPERATE BELOW ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE DURING THE A.M. AND P.M. PEAK HOURS,". AT THE CURRENT TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BEEN AVAILABLE FOUR YEARS AGO, WE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE TODAY. IN CONCLUSION, PUBLIC SAFETY SHOULD NOT OUTWEIGH THE FINANCIAL INTEREST OF DEVELOPERS. PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THE AMENDMENT. THANK YOU.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS JILL. THIS PROJECT REALLY MATTERS TO ME AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN WEST CARMEL, BECAUSE I LIVE A BLOCK AWAY FROM JACKSON GRANT -- WERE JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE WILL BE. AND THERE IS JUST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY BUILDING AND PEOPLE MOVING INTO OUR AREA , WHICH IS USUALLY NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU DO THE TRAFFIC STUDIES. WHAT ABOUT THE SURROUNDING AREAS, AND THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THERE? BUT I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS SINCE 2011. I WOULD SAY DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS, IT'S IMPRESSIVE THAT THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY STRESSED HOW MUCH DAY CARE WAS NEEDED,

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YOU . >> I WON'T TAKE MUCH TIME HERE BECAUSE I CAN'T FIT MY COMMENTS INTO THREE MINUTES I HOPE YOU WILL READ IT BECAUSE IT HAS MY THREE MINUTE PLUS IN IT. I AM REQUESTING THAT YOU DENY THIS AMENDMENT. I WANT TO BE ON RECORD FOR THAT THAT I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT CITY AND DEVELOPER AND COMMITMENTS THAT ARE MADE TO HOW CAN WE TRUST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING THE DECISIONS FOR US? I HAVE GREAT HOPE FOR ALL OF THE NEW FACES HERE AND I HOPE YOU WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS, THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING, OH DO I HAVE TO PRESS --

>> I HAVE LIVED AT JACKSON'S GRANT ABOUT THREE AND HALF YEARS NOW, MISSING BEDTIME, I AM A WORKING PARENT . I WAS UP HERE AND PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT MY A DAY CARE WOULD BE SO GREAT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT A DAY CARE. IT IS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL . AND I GUESS I WASN'T HERE WHEN ALL OF THIS WENT DOWN IN 2020 ALTHOUGH I WAS BUILDING MY HOME I JUST WASN'T A RESIDENT YET . I LIVED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CARMEL BUT I WOULD SAY TO THE COUNCIL WHAT CONCERNS ME IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL . SAY THIS PROJECT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, IS THE INTENT THAT IS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE FOREVER WHICH WHIDBEY ISLAND AND ON THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE A DRIVEWAY

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>> MY NAME IS JERRY KIRK, I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT. I SENT MY COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION A FEW MONTHS AGO. I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS CLOSELY, JUST SOME BACKGROUND MY WIFE AND I RECENTLY SOLD OUR HOME, 32 YEARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS ACROSS CLAY CENTER ROAD SO, WE SPENT A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENED OKAY WE SAW THE VILLAGE WEST CLAY, WE SAW CLAY CENTER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, JACKSON'S GRANT, BRIDGES RETAIL . KIND OF IN OUR EXPERIENCE EXISTING RESIDENTS OFTEN OBJECT NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR AREA NO MATTER HOW RECENTLY WE HAVE LIVED IN . WE COULD'VE LIVED ACROSS THE STREET AND SAID WE ALL WANT JACKSON'S GRANT BECAUSE WE LIKE THAT IT'S QUIET. WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS, WE ARE THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT PUT A DEPOSIT DOWN AND I'M USING THAT TERM BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER CALL JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE. THEY CHANGE THE NAME SO WE WOULD BE DISTANCE FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD . WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH BUILDING . WE LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF RETAIL, MAYBE A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING . THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF EMPTY-NESTERS. OUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBORS ARE BUILDING ONE IN OUR SAME TOWNHOME BUILDING SO WE LIVE NEXT DOOR FOR 32 YEARS WE ARE STUCK WITH THEM AGAIN. THIS IS GOING TO BE AN EMPTY NESTOR NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T THINK I SEE PEOPLE WANTING TO USE DAY CARE IN THE HAMLET AREA AND JACKSON'S GRANT, WE DRIVE THROUGH THERE A LOT BECAUSE WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH BUILDING OUR PLACE. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF LITTLE KIDS RUNNING AROUND DOWN THERE . I HAVE OUTLINED IT, I'VE SHARED ALL OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AND EVERYTHING.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH JACKSON'S GRANT , JG VILLAGE AND INTO JACKSON'S GRANT TO GET AWAY FROM THIS DAY CARE AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WAS GOING BACK TO CLARIDGE FARM OR SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH EASIER COMING OUT INTO SPRINGVILLE, THAT EXIT RIGHT THERE TO TRY TO MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN THEIR AT 5:00 , ANYWAY, THANKS FOR THE TIME TO TALK . I WILL BE FOLLOWING UP ON THIS, THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK.

>> I AM DOUG MORRIS . AND ONE THING I WANT TO SAY, A COMMENT ABOUT EMPTY-NESTERS, WE LIVE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, WE HAVE THREE HOUSES AROUND US I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE ALL RETIREMENT PEOPLE . WE ARE PLAYING OUT THERE CHALK IN DOLLARS GRANDKIDS COMING OVER SO THERE ARE KIDS ALL OVER THAT AREA. THE ONE THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT , THE LANE THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH THERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE LITTLE KIDS.

THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL STREET AND THE KIDS ARE GETTING JUST UP TO THE AGE WE DON'T HAVE THE SIDEWALKS LIKE THE BIG WHITE ONES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE WANT THE KIDS AROUND, WE DON'T WANT COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF THE LONG MIX TO HAVE . AS YOU GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PART, SEVERAL OF YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS AND IT CONCERNS ME WE'VE WASTED A LOT OF TIME , DEVELOPERS AND ATTORNEYS ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S GONE SO LONG I HATE THE FACT THAT WE CAME TO THIS IN A PROCESS THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED AND DEVELOPED. WE HAD ADDRESSED A PROPERTY BY CREATED A BOUNDARY . YOU KNEW IT EXISTED THERE BY THE TIME HE PASSED OUT ORNAMENTS AND SAID IT SHOULD BE BUFFED AND THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT AT THAT ZONING . THE PUBLIC SAID THEY OFFERED TO HELP THEM GET IT REZONED AT THAT TIME IF THEY WANTED IT BUT THEY DIDN'T. YOU CREATED A BUFFER TO PROTECT IT AND KEEP IT IN THEIR. YOU WILL FIND A BIG DEVELOPER THAT IS CURRENT AND ONE PRIVATE OWNER

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IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON AND HAVE PEOPLE STOP WASTING OUR FUNDS .

THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS DAVID FRANCIS. I AM RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THIS OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. I SENT A LETTER TO ALL OF YOU ON THIS BOARD AND FOR ME, I LIKE THE EMOTION OF THINGS LIKE THIS. IT IS A CREDIBILITY TOPIC. BASED UPON THE HISTORY THAT MANY OF YOU CAN REMEMBER, ALL OF US FORGET THINGS I DO TOO MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT REFLECTING BACK ON THE TIME WHEN YOU MADE PROMISES. FOR ME AS A PERSON WHO HAS NEVER BEEN IN THIS MEETING BEFORE,AND ALSO DEALS WITH CREDIBILITY OF PEOPLE, FOR ME THE NUMBER ONE THING IS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. AND IF THERE WERE PROMISES THAT WERE MADE AND NOW ARE BEING ALTERED , THAT SKEWS MY PERCEPTION OF THIS ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. SO I APPLAUD ALL OF YOU FOR LIVING THROUGH THIS BUT I THINK THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE REALIZED THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS IS REALLY BUREAUCRATIC IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS BEING SPENT ON IT , THE TIMES THAT YOU ALL SPENT ON IT TOO SHOULD BE INDICATIVE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS WHOLE SITUATION . I APPLAUD YOU ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPINIONS AND EVERYTHING YOU GIVE BACK TO CARMEL BUT I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO THIS . WE SHOULD LOOK AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES IF THERE IS CHILD CARE OR WHATEVER. I SEE A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE, I LIVE THERE. I SEE THAT TRAFFIC EVERY DAY AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A MATTER OF, IU HEALTH IS RIGHT THERE TOO IN THE LAND RIGHT ACROSS FROM ME WHICH IS BETWEEN IU HEALTH AND ME , I USED TO WORK FOR IU HEALTH, I WORKED ON HOSPITAL. IT IS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THEY ARE ALSO INVESTING IN PROPERTY WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET TO ME WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE FOR DIALYSIS OR LONG-TERM CARE OR SOMETHING IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN . IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY BUT IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO HAPPEN AT SOME POINT. I WORKED FOR IU HEALTH WHEN THEY FELT THAT TOSSED IT ALL . IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE AND THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO ARE NOT GOING TO BE LITTLE JACKSON GRANT THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU HAVE MULTIPLE ROUNDABOUTS WHICH ARE ALREADY HAVING AUTO ACCIDENTS BECAUSE I SEE THEM .

AGAIN, PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THIS.

>> I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE MAKING WAY TO THE PODIUM, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:15 .

>> I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PLAN B. THE REASON THAT I BROUGHT THAT UP WAS THE LAST COMMISSION VOTE THERE WERE PLANS THAT WERE SHOWN THAT SAID IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED, HERE IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BUILD INSTEAD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT

CREATING AN ISLAND. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THE QUESTION. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO ONLY WORK ON JUST THE CUNNINGHAM PARCEL . AT THAT POINT WORKING WITH ENGINEERING AND TALKING WITH CITY, THE AMOUNT OF THE ROUNDABOUT COMING AND HEADING WESTBOUND IT WAS WAY TOO CLOSE. SO, THAT'S WHEN IT WAS SUGGESTED TO CLOSE OFF A PARCEL AND WAS INCLUDED IN AN EXISTING ACCESS POINT WITHIN JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE THAT ALREADY EXISTS . FOR THAT ORIGINAL PLAN WHICH COMPLETELY FIT EVERYTHING AND WE HAD A

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QUARTER ACRE LEFTOVER -- >> THAT WOULD'VE STILL

REQUIRED APPROVAL THOUGH. >> ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

>> SO, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION TONIGHT ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD IN THIS TO LAND USE OR MAYBE ACT ON IT TONIGHT. THE REASON I SAID PLAN B IS THEIRS 90 DAYS FROM THE CERTIFICATION THAT WE NEED TO ACT. AUGUST 23RD AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO START FROM SCRATCH I WOULDN'T WANT US TO RUSH SOMETHING I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH ACTING TONIGHT WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE PROPOSED AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW BETWEEN AUGUST 23RD .

>> YOUR ENTERING INTO A LAND SWAP. YOU HAVE A CONTRACT TO ACQUIRE THE PARCEL AND YOU ARE TRYING TO SWAP THE LAND WITH REPUBLIC. REPUBLIC WAS AWARE OF THESE ISSUES AND COMMITMENTS PRIOR TO ENTERING IN TO THE LAND SWAP OF THE 2020 PUD . I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND REPUBLIC YOU DO QUALITY WORK THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU AS A DEVELOPER, THIS IS AN ABOUT THE USE THAT YOU HAVE PLANNED BUT I WOULD'VE SUGGESTED AS STAFF OR REPUBLIC THAT HEY, THERE ARE THESE COMMITMENTS IT WAS VERY CONTENTIOUS. TRY TO DO A LAND SWAP AND DO RETAIL USE THAT FITS THE CURRENT PUD AS IT EXISTS WITH THE CONSTRAINTS WITHIN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE . AND THAT COULD BE A PLAN B. I'M SORRY YOU HAVE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN THIS PROCESS BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF HISTORY AND COMMITMENTS HERE AND I AM

WILLING TO ACT ON IT AS WELL >> ALL RIGHT, LOOKING FOR A

MOTION >> MOVE TO SUSPEND THE ROLES

>> I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT I'VE HEARD WHAT THEY HAVE SAID AND I HEAR THE INTENT AND I VALUE MY OWN INTEGRITY AND I BELIEVE ALSO NOT GOING BACK ON PEOPLE'S COMMITMENT WE JUST WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT FOR ME THE IDEA OF WHAT IS RETAIL AND WHAT IS A SERVICE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE AND PUT ALL OF THE REPUBLIC BUT IT PUT YOU THROUGH . ARTS ONE BUT BE ON THE RECORD BECAUSE I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MY INTENT WAS BEHIND THAT. IT WAS NOT TO NOT LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD TO SAY .

>> MOTION IS IN THE ROLES. >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT, TED, DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE .

>> THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION APPROVED TO SUSPEND THE ROLES

IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION? >> MOVED TO APPROVE. AND

DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE . >> ALL RIGHT, CAN YOU CLEAR IT? SO, THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE AND THERE WAS A SECOND TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE. IS VOTED DOWN 9-0 . ALL RIGHT LIVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, NEW

[15. AGENDA ADD-ON ITEMS]

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AGENDA? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD AN ORDINANCE , AMENDING THE 2024 SALARY ORNAMENTS TO THE AGENDA PLEASE.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE. RIGHT SO VOTED 9-0 . INTRODUCING AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA AMENDING THE SALARY ORNAMENTS.

SPONSORS TAYLOR SNYDER COULD I GET IT -- A MOTION TO INTRODUCE

? >> MOVED .

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT THE SYNOPSIS

PLEASE READ THIS IN ABSENCE >> ADDING THE POSITION OF CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT OF 2024

SALARY BUDGET . >> ALL RIGHT, COULD YOU PRESENT

PLEASE? >> GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. IS COUNSELOR MENTIONED THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE SALARY ORNAMENTS TO ADD THE POSITION OF CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER THAT WOULD BE OVER THE STREETS DEPARTMENT, UTILITIES DEPARTMENT AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AT THIS POINT THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL SALARY APPROPRIATION NEEDED. WE WOULD USE THE CURRENT SALARY FOR JEREMY'S POSITION AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME OPEN POSITIONS THERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FILLED TO ADD TO THE

ADDITIONAL SALARY LINE . >> ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSELOR

SNYDER? >> NO .

>> YOU JUST HAVE ONE ON THE OPEN POSITION PROCESS WONDERING HOW THAT PROCESS -- I WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY ARE DOING ON GETTING THOSE BUILD . THOSE POSITIONS HAVE BEEN OPEN IT IS A VERY COMPETITIVE MARKET AND SO I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY RECRUITING BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY

ARE IN THE POSITIONS. >> WHEN WE ADVERTISE FOR THE LAST ROUND WE RECEIVED THREE APPLICANTS WE DID MAKE ONE OFF HER SITUATIONS WITH THAT PERSON THEY FELT IT WASN'T THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR THEM AT THE TIME, WE DID HAVE ANOTHER INTERVIEW THAT WAS AND REALLY FEEL LIKE THE CANDIDATE TO EVERYTHING YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS COMING IN AND WORKING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AFTER THIS WE WILL BE RE-ADVERTISING POSITIONS

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS >> IT'S GETTING LATE SO SINCE THIS IS ORDINANCE WE NEED TO SUSPEND THE RULES ANY OF THE QUESTIONS? THE DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE SUSPENDING ROLES APPROVED 9-0 . ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR SNYDER ? THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THE MAYOR IS DOING IN THE COUNCIL IS DOING, IS TAKING A FROM THE MIDSIZE COMMUNITY WE'VE BEEN FOR MANY MANY YEARS TO THE LARGE CITY THAT WE ARE NOW IN ONE OF THEM IS CREATING THIS NEW POSITION THAT PUTS US RIGHT IN LINE WITH OTHER CITIES OUR SIZE AND HAS SOMEBODY ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE OVER AND WE HAVE ABSOLUTE UNIFORM IT HAS BEEN THE BEST CITY ENGINEER FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS . AND WE TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED. NONE OF THAT HAPPENS PUTTING THE CITY ENGINEER AND ELEVATED ROLE IT ALLOWS THEM THE AUTONOMY TO HELP OVERSEE ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS . THIS IS AN

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THIS . >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I DON'T THINK WE ALLOW CLAPPING. ALL RIGHT HE IS ACTUALLY THE PROJECT MANAGER BEFORE HE WORKED HERE ON THE KEYSTONE PROJECT THAT WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE .

>> WITH THAT, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND VOTE . THAT IS APPROVED, 9-0 . ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 16, OTHER BUSINESS

[16. OTHER BUSINESS]

>> WELL SAID . SO EVERYTHING THAT I SAID EARLIER EVERYTHING WAS IN COMPLIANCE LAST YEAR. EVERYTHING WAS GOOD .

>> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM UNDERNEATH THERE, PETITION TO HAMILTON COUNTY DRAINAGE BOARD FOR ASHER DRAIN, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THAT TODAY? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE WILL HIT ON THAT NEXT COUNSEL MEET JULY 1ST . ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS TO THE RIGHT? LEFT? ALL RIGHT,

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