Jun 18, 2024 Carmel Plan Commission

[A. Call Meeting to Order]

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GOOD EVENING I WILL CALL TO ORDER THE JUNE 18, 2024 CARMEL PLANNING COMMISSION. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF

ALLEGIANCE. >> THANK YOU. A SECRETARY,

[C. Roll Call]

>> CHAKA COLEMAN . >> PRESENT.

>> JEFF HILL. >> PRESENT.

>> CHRISTINE ZOCCOLA. >> PRESIDENT GRABOW.

>> PRESENT. >> JOSH KIRSH.

>> HE IS HERE . >> SHANNON MINNAAR .

>> PRESENT. >> SUE WESTERMEIER.

>> EXCUSE ME I AM JUST KIND OF FUMBLING. AND AND EIGHT. THAT

[D. Declaration Of Quorum]

>> THE EASY PART IS, WE ARE ALL PRESENT. THAT DOES CONSTITUTE A

[E. Approval Of Minutes]

>> THANK YOU. NO DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING AYETHE

[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures]

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]

>> NOTHING FOR ME. >> THANK YOU. FROM THE

DEPARTMENT . >> WE HAD ONE ITEM FROM THE COMMISSION COMMITTEE LAST MONTH AND IT WAS THE CHERRY CREEK FARMS MINOR SUBDIVISION THAT WAS APPROVED. ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA THE ANDREW SUBDIVISION PLAT , THE PETITIONER REQUESTED YOU REORDER THE AGENDA TO BE HEARD FIRST . THEY HAVE ANOTHER MEETING IN A DIFFERENT JURISDICTION SO THEY ARE TRYING TO SEE IF THEY CAN GO TO BOTH.

THAT WITH JUST THE A REQUEST FOR YOU GUYS TO VOTE TO SUSPEND THOSE AND CHANGE THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA. AND THEN WE HAVE A UPDATE. ON THE U.S. 31 HOMEPLACE SUB AREA.

>> >> THERE WE GO. MY NAME IS ADRIAN. WITH ME TONIGHT IS DANIELA BELTRAN FROM YARD AND COMPANY AND JOE NICHOL FROM YARD AND COMPANY. YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THEM FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALONG WITH THAT OR INVOLVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THAT. ALONG WITH THAT , THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS IN 2022 , WE UPDATED THE FULL PLAN, THAT WAS WITH THE PROMISE THAT WE WOULD COME BACK IN FUTURE YEARS WITH UPDATING SUB AREA PLANS WE ARE NOW IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON THE HOMEPLACE PLAN AS WELL AS U.S. 31 PLAN

>> WE MENTIONED THIS BACK IN THE GLORY , WE WANTED TO UPDATE EVERYONE ON WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THESE PLANS. I WILL INTRODUCE DANIELA AND SHE WILL GIVE US AN UPDATE ON BOTH OF

THOSE EFFORTS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. TAKE YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. WE WILL GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW AND THEN WANT TO TO GIVE A HEADS UP ON WHAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH THESE NEXT FEW MONTHS THAT WAY IT IS NOT ALL NEW WHEN WE COME BACK AND HAVE SOME UPDATES. I MENTIONED THE SET UP PLAN FOR HOMEPLACE AND CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THEN AND DO THE SAME THING FOR U.S. 31. JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON YARD AND COMPANY. SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR, WE WERE INVOLVED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTED AT THE END OF 2022. AS PART OF THAT ONGOING PROCESS. WE HAVE BEEN REENGAGED TO WORK ON THESE TWO PLANS. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US , OUR DESIGNERS, PLANNERS, FACILITATORS, STRATEGISTS ARE REALLY TO CONNECT PEOPLE AND

TELL THE STORY. >> FOR HOMEPLACE THERE IS A PLANNING PROCESS BUT ALSO A COMMUNITY BRANDING PROCESS THAT

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>> AS PART OF THAT WE WILL BE TESTING IDEAS AND DO THAT WITH SMALL COLLABORATIVE PROJECTS. WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD THIS MOMENTUM AROUND HOW TO CREATE OWNERSHIP AND EXCITEMENT. WE DO NOT ALL HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING BUT BE ON THE SAME PAGE AND WILLING TO WORK TOGETHER ON EXCITING OPPORTUNITIES.

>> HERE IS A QUICK MAP SHOWING THE FOCUS AREA FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLANNING STUDY. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ESTABLISHED BROAD VISIONS FOR POLICY GOALS CITYWIDE. THIS IS GOING TO LOOK MORE CLOSELY AT HOW IT CAN BE APPLIED AND SPECIFIC WAYS TO THE HOMEPLACE AREA. GENERALLY OUR BOUNDARY IS LITTLE LARGER THAN WHAT IS RECOGNIZED AS THE HOMEPLACE COMMUNITY . THAT WAS JUST THE WAY TO BE ABLE TO PULL IT AT A LARGER SCALE AND

IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES. >> THERE ARE FOUR COMPONENTS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THIS PLAN. ONE IS ACTIVE AND IMMERSIVE ENGAGEMENT . IT WILL BE HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING PROCESS AS A WAY TO PULL TOGETHER IDEAS AND INPUT FROM A VARIETY OF PEOPLE. IT WILL THEN PRODUCE THIS MASTER PLAN FOR HOMEPLACE THAT WILL BE A PRIMARY COMPONENT OF THE SUB AREA PLAN FOR THE LARGER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT WILL HAPPEN AS AN AMENDED PROCESS. WE ALSO ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH AND CREATE A BRAND FOR HOMEPLACE. AS WE GO THROUGH WE WILL START TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT CAN BE APPLIED AND USED.

AS PART OF OUR STORYTELLING, WE ARE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A SHORT FILM THAT CAPTURES THE STORY.

>> QUICK LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, THIS IS SCHEDULED TO GO OUT THROUGH FALL . WE ARE BREAKING THAT IN THREE PHASES. RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN THE EXPLORE PHASE. WE STARTED WITH A LOT OF LEARNING AND INFORMATION GATHERING AND A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS . PRETTY SOON WE ARE CONDUCTING THAT AND LAUNCHING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT IS HAPPENING THIS WEEK. AS WE TAKE THAT ALL IN , WE WILL GO THROUGH PITCHING IDEAS AND TESTING IN KEY PLACES, THINGS THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM AND BUILD INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL COME FORTH IN ABOUT AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER . I MENTIONED, PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, WE WANTED TO PUT TOGETHER A BRAND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PLANT. THIS IS THE SAME WAY YOU DO A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN. IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO FOLLOW ALONG AND UNDERSTAND AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE SUMMER AND THE FALL THAT VARIOUS EFFORTS ARE ALL CONNECTED TO THIS EFFORT FOR COMMUNITY PLANS. THIS IS A QUICK OVERVIEW ON THE WEBSITE.

WE HAVE BUILT THE WEBSITE WITH THESE FEATURES. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ENGAGEMENT, THIS IS KIND OF A GLIMPSE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE , BEING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, SETTING UP EVENTS AND TRYING TO MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE SO THAT WE CAN COLLECT INPUTS, NOT JUST FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T ATTEND THE MEETING HERE AT CITY HALL, BUT ALSO CATCHING PEOPLE IN THEIR DAY-TO-DAY

LIVES. >> TOMORROW AND THURSDAY WE HAVE EXCITING THINGS GOING ON. THIS IS A QUICK LOOK. THE ITEMS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE GREEN BOXES ARE PUBLIC EVENTS. WE ARE DOING TWO DIFFERENT WALK SHOPS. ONE AT COLLEGE CROSSING IN THE HEART OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND ANOTHER ONE AT THE ORCHARD PARK SCHOOL. THIS IS LIKE A OBSERVATION AND JOTTING DOWN BUILT ENVIRONMENT CONDITIONS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS .

SUPPLEMENTING THOSE ARE SOME POP-UPS WE WILL BE AT ROSIE'S GARDEN CENTER AND AT THE SKATEBOARD SHOP REALLY WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECTS AND MEETING IN PERSON TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND COLLECT FEEDBACK. TOMORROW EVENING FROM

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GET. >> JUST SOME THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR HELP ON IS PROMOTING THIS IS NOW UP AND RUNNING . THIS IS HOMEPLACE.COM IS THE PROJECT WEBSITE . THERE IS A LOT MORE INFORMATION. WE HAVE A SURVEY AND A MAP TO START COLLECTING INPUT . WITH THAT, I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION . >> WELCOME BACK. IT WAS GREAT TO WORK WITH YOU ALL . HAPPY TO SEE YOU GUYS BACK AGAIN . THIS IS GREAT. YOU'RE KICKING THE SOFT. YOU TOUCHED ON THIS AND LAST NIGHT AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCILMEMBER SNYDER RAISED THE QUESTION, ORDERS FOR HOMEPLACE IS BIGGER THAN WHAT IT IS . I DO NOT HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WHERE TO DRAW THAT GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY. I WOULD BE CURIOUS AS YOU GO THROUGH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TO GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS TO SEE DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH WHAT THEY ARE THINKING , IF WE ARE GOING BIGGER, DOES THAT MEAN WE WILL HAVE ONE UNIFIED VISION FOR THIS BIGGER AREA ? OR WILL THERE BE SUB AREAS WITHIN THE SUB AREA? JUST CURIOUS TO SING THE FEEDBACK WITH RESPECT TO THAT BOUNDARY AND WHAT WE ARE

CALLING HOMEPLACE. >> WE WILL KEEP PRETTY NIMBLE AND FLEXIBLE ON THE WAY WE USE AND THINK ABOUT THE BOUNDARY .

MAINLY WE WANT TO KEEP IT OPEN FOR CONVERSATION. IF WE LEARN THERE IS BENEFITS, WE WOULD WORK WITH EVERYONE TO MAKE THAT

DECISION . >> THANK YOU.

>> I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I WAS GOING TO , COUNCILMAN SNYDER WAS QUESTIONING , HE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. I AM GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU.

>> I THINK I WILL MOVE AHEAD TO THE NEXT PROJECT. THE U.S. 31 CORRIDOR IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT. IT IS THE OTHER ONE SLATED THAT WE ARE WORKING ON FOR THE OWN AREA PLAN. JUST A QUICK WAY OF THINKING OF THIS. THIS IS JUST A QUICK THING TO SHOW WHEN WE THINK OF THE SCALES THE PLANNING. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT SETS THE TONE AS A CITY ENTITY, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES AND POLICY DECISIONS TO GUIDE THESE NEXT AREAS ? RIGHT NOW THE U.S. 31 CORRIDOR PLAN THAT WE ARE WORKING ON IS CONSIDERED A SMALL AREA PLAN. IT IS NOT QUITE AS SPECIFIC AS WHAT OFTEN COMES BEFORE YOU ON A PARTICULAR SITE WHERE IT IS ONE PROPERTY . THIS IS LOOKING AT A COLLECTION AND IT IS A DISTRICT SCALE THAT THIS PLAN IS ORGANIZED AS. THE COMPONENTS HERE, JUST BASED ON THE CONDITIONS ARE LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN HOMEPLACE. THIS ONE WILL BE FOCUSED ON LOOKING AT PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT AND ZONING AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY ARE ALL LAID OUT . WHAT IS WORKING WELL AND WHAT IS NOT. REALLY GETTING INTO THE FEEL AND THE CHANGES AND UNDERSTANDING THE WAYS THAT THOSE ARE HELPING OR NOT WITH DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND CHANGES. AGAIN, THIS WILL BE , THE COMPILED REPORT WILL BE A SUB AREA PLAN TO BE INCLUDED IN THE LARGER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

>> SOME THINGS THAT ARE GETTING PULLED INTO THIS. WE HAVE BEEN TAKING A LOOK AT RELEVANT STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE RECENTLY AND PULLING ELEMENTS FROM THESE THAT ARE RELEVANT THAT INCLUDES THE TRANSIT STUDY FROM 2020 , OF COURSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , MORE RECENTLY, SOMETHING THAT IS VERY RELEVANT IS A POSITIONING STRATEGY THAT WAS DONE FROM A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. AND THEN ALSO GOING THROUGH THE RECENT SPECIFIC SITE PLANS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND UNDERSTANDING LESSONS LEARNED FROM THAT MIGHT BE. HERE , AGAIN IS A OVERVIEW OF THE STUDY AREA ALONG THE U.S. 31 BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY. THE BOUNDARY HERE REALLY ALIGNS

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THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS IS ON A SIMILAR TIMELINE WITH SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TASKS INVOLVED. OUR EXPLORE PHASE IS REALLY BASED AROUND WHAT WE ARE LEARNING FROM THE DIFFERENT AUDITS THAT I MENTIONED . THE ENGAGEMENT FOR THIS IS MUCH MORE FOCUSED AROUND SPECIFIC PROPERTY OWNERS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT EXIST HERE IN THIS CORRIDOR . THE SUMMER MONTHS WILL INVOLVE FOR US, TAKING A LOOK AT THE WAY PATTERNS HAVE BEEN CHANGING OVER TIME AND WHERE WE THINK THOSE ARE HEADED AND THEN SOME CONSIDERATION AROUND MOBILITY AND OTHER TYPES OF ELEMENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR. WE WILL START TO DRAFT OPTIONS THAT WE WILL TEST AND WORK WITH CITY STAFF WITH FOUR POTENTIAL CHANGES AND THEN START TO REFINE THOSE WITH STAKEHOLDERS AS WE MOVE INTO THE EARLY FALL .

>> TODAY WE HAVE A HEAD START ON ENGAGEMENT. WE MET WITH A VARIETY OF STAFF MEMBERS ALONG WITH OWNERS ALONG THE CORRIDOR SO WE ARE LEARNING A LOT ALREADY. AS WE LOOK AHEAD WE WILL BE PRODUCING A SURVEY TO GET MORE INPUT AND CONDUCTING A ROUNDTABLE WITH HUMAN RESOURCES FOR ALL OF THESE EMPLOYERS TO RALLY BE AN INSIGHTFUL DATA POINT FOR THE CHANGES AND THE WAY THE OFFICE USERS ARE DEALING WITH.

>> AT THIS POINT, THIS PROJECT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM AN ENGAGEMENT STANDPOINT. BROADLY, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR FROM LEADERSHIP IS WHAT YOUR VISION FOR THE CORRIDOR IS . WHO ARE THE FOLKS WE SHOULD BE MEETING WITH AS WE DO THIS WORK AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT IT.

>> IS IN.D.O.T. AT A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN PROVIDE INPUT FOR THEIR WORK AND THE CONNECTIONS TO 465?

>> YOU MEAN WORKING WITH STATE D.O.T.?

>> RIGHT. >> SHOULD WE BE MEETING WITH

THEM ? >> MY UNDERSTANDING , JESSIE PROBABLY KNOWS BETTER , THAT THERE IS MORE WORK TO BE DONE, PERHAPS REACHING AS FAR NORTH AS 116TH STREET TO PROVIDE A BETTER FLOW THAT EXIST LITERALLY TODAY , WHICH WAS A

MESS TODAY IN GENERAL. >> THAT IS A GOOD THING TO BRING UP. WE HAVE NOT HEARD TOO MUCH YET THAT IT WAS CAUSING OBSTACLES. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON .

WE CAN ADD IT TO THE LIST AND SEE FROM THEIR STANDPOINT WHAT

THEY ARE SEEING. >> SIMILAR QUESTION TO THE HOMEPLACE ONE , AS FAR AS THE GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES FOR THE CORRIDOR, WHEN I THINK OF IT I THINK , AND THEN WEST ILLINOIS STREET TO PENNSYLVANIA STREET . I SEE ON THE MAP YOU HAVE SEVERAL AREAS WHERE IT IS BUMPED OUT ON THE EAST AND WEST YOU. ARE WE TRYING TO CAPTURE WHAT IS ALREADY EXISTING ? KIND OF MORE OF THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT ? I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THE BUMP OUTS ?

>> THESE BOUNDARIES WERE ALL KIND OF VETTED DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. A LOT OF IT RELATED TO POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES. THE PERSONS THAT ARE OUT OUR WEST OF ILLINOIS STREET. RIGHT NOW THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENTS. THEY CERTAINLY ARE OPEN FOR DEVELOPMENT. IT IS MAINLY BEING INCLUDED SO WE CAN TRACK AND SET SOME GOALS OR STANDARDS , OR WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

>> THANK YOU . >> ALONG SIMILAR LINES I GUESS I HAD A SIMILAR THOUGHT WITH REGARDS TO THE STUDY AREA. WE KIND OF BIFURCATE THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH END OF THE CORRIDOR . IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE IT ALL IN SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A GOOD LOOK OF WHAT ALL IS AVAILABLE THERE AND WITH THE GROUP DECIDES. JUST POINTING THAT OUT.

>> AS YOU DO YOUR WORK , I WOULD JUST COMMENTS , WE HEAR ALL THE TIME THE NEED FOR HIGHER DENSITY ATTAINABLE HOUSING . ONE OF THE BEST OPTIONS IS THE SOUTHERN LEG OF THAT AREA, SPECIFICALLY ALONG PENNSYLVANIA BETWEEN 103RD, 106

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>> THANK YOU . >> IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE WHOLE CORRIDOR IS HIGHLY OVER PARKED AND I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW OR TO SEE WHAT YOU FIND OUT , IN ADDITION TO VACANT OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT 50 PLUS YEARS AGO.

>> SPECIFICALLY ALONG -- -- I WOULD BE MORE CURIOUS ABOUT THE UNDERUTILIZED SPACE AND HOW WE MIGHT ENGAGE THAT . I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT YOU GOT.

>> THAT DEFINITELY WILL BE A COMPONENT.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. >> THANK YOU.

>> AS WE MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR AGENDA , BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO REVISE , TO AMEND THE AGENDA AND MOVE ITEM 3 TO THE TOP.

>> SO MOVED . >> I SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR OF RE- LINING THE AGENDA.

[3. Docket No. PZ-2024-00064 PP: Andrews Subdivision Primary Plat. ]

>> AYE . >> THE PUBLIC PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING WILL FOLLOW THE COMMISSIONS RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. EACH PETITIONER WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO MAKE A CASE IN FAVOR OF WHAT THEY ARE SEEKING . THEN THERE WILL BE A BLOCK OF TIME, UP TO 20 MINUTES FOR COMMENTS FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC BOTH IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THE PETITION. PETITIONER WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE REPORT THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED. FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT WITH OUR AMENDMENT IS DOCKET PC-TO FOUR- 0064. PRIMARY PLAT ANDREWS SUBDIVISION. THE APPLICANT SEEKS PRIMARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION WITH OPEN SPACE COMMON AREAS. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 4411 EAST 146 STREET WERE THERE CURRENT ZONING IS UNDER ORDINANCE Z-687-24. THE PETITIONER HAS BEEN FILED BY, ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER.

WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING . THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS MIKE TIMKO I AM A CIVIL ENGINEER, ADDRESSES 500 EAST 96TH STREET INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA. I ALSO HAVE HERE WITH ME THIS EVENING THE MULTIGROUP AND SCHAFER DEVELOPMENT, BOTH ARE PARTNERS IN THE PROJECT AS WELL. AS WAS MENTIONED, WE ARE SEEKING PRIMARY PLAT APPROVAL THIS EVENING . I WILL KEEP THIS PRESENTATION RELATIVELY BRIEF BECAUSE I AM SURE YOU SAW IN YOUR PACKETS THAT THIS SITE PLAN THAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO YOU AND THE PLAT THAT GOES WITH IT IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE PUD SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED EARLIER AND APPROVED. THOSE STANDARDS ARE BEING MET AS A PART OF THIS PRIMARY PLAT. THE SITE PLAN HAS HAD MINIMAL CHANGES AS WE WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS. I DID WANT TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT, PARTICULARLY THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS. WE HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AS COMPLETE OF A PACKAGE AS POSSIBLE HOPEFULLY FOR APPROVAL THIS EVENING. A FEW OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE POINTED OUT TO US WERE WANTING TO SEE STREETLIGHTS SHOWN ON THE PRIMARY PLAT'S , SO WE DID ADD THAT TO THE LATEST PLAN.

PARTICULARLY , ADDING THOSE AT THE INTERSECTION LOCATIONS WHERE THEY ARE MOST NEEDED AND MAKE SURE THERE IS A CROSSING FOUR PEDESTRIANS IN NEED IN PARTICULAR. THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDED. THERE WAS ALSO A REQUEST FOR MORE INFORMATION AND DETAILS REGARDING SOME OF THE AMENITY SPACES. WE DID ADD A LITTLE MORE DETAIL , PARTICULARLY AT THE NORTH END.

THERE IS A TRANSMISSION EASEMENT LINE THAT SUBDIVIDES THE SITE . THAT IS THE BUFFER AREA RUNNING IN BETWEEN THAT I WOULD CONSIDER THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN THE FRONTAGE ALONG 146 STREET. ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PRIMARY

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ONE WAS REGARDING TREE PRESERVATION SIGNAGE AS YOU MAY RECALL FROM THE OPEN SPACE EXHIBIT . THERE WILL BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF TREE PRESERVATION, PARTICULARLY ON THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE. THEY ASKED THAT WE SHOW SOME SIGNAGE AND THAT WOULD BE PERMANENT SIGNAGE PLACED ALONG THAT BUFFER TO MAKE SURE THAT OVER THE COURSE OF TIME THERE ARE NOT LANDSCAPE CREWS OR OTHER FOLKS THAT WOULD ACCIDENTALLY MOW OR DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD HARM VEGETATION IN THOSE AREAS. THE LAST COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THEY HAVE ON HERE, ONE WAS ABOUT THE ENTRANCE SIGN , SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF MY SCREEN. THIS WAS SOME SORT OF REPRESENTATION OF WHAT SIGNAGE WE ARE ENVISIONING. YOU CAN SEE IT IS VERY MODEST IN NATURE JUST A PILLAR WITH A SUSPENDED SIGN. THAT WOULD BE PLACED UP ALONG 146 STREET ONLY UP AGAINST THAT ENTRY. WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO DO ANY SUBSTANTIAL SIGNAGE FOR THE CONNECTION TO THE SOUTH. THE LAST COMMENT IS PERTAINING TO CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC SIGNAGE.

WE FULLY EXPECT THAT WE WILL GET INTO FULL DETAILS AS WE GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS WITH THAT ITEM, WE DID PROVIDE A PLAN ALONG HUNDRED 46 STREET . WE WILL CONTINUE TO COORDINATE WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE ANY TEMPORARY SHOULDER OR LANE CLOSURES ARE CHLORINATED WITH THAT CURB CUT . -- TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH AND WE STILL HONOR THAT. THE INTENT THERE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC DOWN THERE WOULD BE STRICTLY FOR MAKING THE CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING CULDESAC ITSELF BUT OTHERWISE IT WOULD NOT BE OPENED TO TRAFFIC UNTIL THE SUBDIVISION IS READY TO OPEN. WITH THAT, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ADDITIONAL

QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> PUBLI PRESERVATION AREA ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE SITE.

THEY DID PROVIDE US WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS THEY STATED, SINCE WE ISSUED OUR DEPARTMENT REPORT. THEY GAVE US INFORMATION REGARDING THE DOG PARK AND THE FENCING IN THE COMMUNITY GARDEN. THERE ARE STILL ITEMS WE NEED TO WORK OUT WITH THE SIZE OF THE SIGN. WE STILL WANT TO SEE A SIGNAGE PLAN. THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN DURING THE PUD PHASE. WHERE WERE THAT BE PLACED? WE CAN SEE THAT ON THE PLAN FOR NOT ALLOWING CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC INTO THE SUBDIVISION. AND THEN ALSO ADDRESSING FORESTRY AND ENGINEERING OUTSTANDING COMMENTS. THEY STATED THAT THEY WILL NOT BE PROVIDING ANY SUSTAINABLE SITE OR BUILDING DESIGN ASPECTS AT THIS TIME. WE HAD ANOTHER COMMENT ON THE REVISED PRIMARY PLAT. IT APPEARS THERE IS A STORM SEWER LINE BETWEEN COMMON AREAS ONE A AND B AND I WAS WANTING TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. IS THE DOG PARK DRAINING INTO THE COMMUNITY GARDEN? MAYBE WE WANT TO DISCUSS THAT MORE MIXER IT FUNCTIONS OKAY BETWEEN THE TWO

DIFFERENT USES. >> OTHER THAN THAT , TO GIVE THE PETITIONER TIME TO ADDRESS OUR COMMENTS, WE RECOMMEND THAT THIS GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEETING ON TUESDAY, JULY 2ND AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE COMMITTEE HAVE THE FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY. THANK YOU .

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION?

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>> THIS IS REAL TECHNICAL. IS THE NAME , ANDREW SUBDIVISION?

>> THE EXACT NAME FOR THE SUBDIVISION WILL NOT BE ANDREWS SUBDIVISION BUT IT IS BEING WORKED ON.

>> THANK YOU. >> THIS IS MORE FOR STAFF. IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH OTHER THINGS WITH PEOPLE PULLING TREE PRESERVATION SIGNS OUT. MAYBE , INSTEAD OF LARGE SIGNS FIVE FEET OFF THE GROUND, MAYBE SMALLER SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY LINE INSTEAD OF THAT SET. SMALLER SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY LINE LOWER TO THE GROUND MIGHT BE LESS INTRUSIVE AND STILL GET THE POINT ACROSS. JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

>> WHEN THEY ARE TALL IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMEONE'S BACKYARD, THAT IS WHEN THEY SEEM TO GET PULLED OUT OF THE GROUND.

>> I KNOW IT IS MENTIONED IN THE PUD, I WILL LOOK TO SEE IF THERE IS A SIZE. IF NOT, WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

>> JUST TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM BEFORE IT BECOMES A

PROBLEM . >> WE DO NOT WANT THEM REMOVED, THAT WOULD DEFEAT THE PURPOSE. THANK YOU.

>> WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE COMMUNITY REGARDING DRAINAGE INTO THE A POND IN THEIR SUBDIVISION. THEY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH YOUR CALCULATIONS , NONE OF THAT, I'M SURE YOU READ THE LETTER. CAN YOU DO SOME CLARIFYING , GIVE US SOME CLARIFICATION. THEY CLEARLY ARE CONCERNED THAT THEY THOUGHT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON MAY 23RD THAT THIS ISSUE WAS

ADDRESSED. >> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY , THERE WERE TWO MAIN ISSUES THEY BROUGHT UP. THE FIRST WAS PERTAINING TO RUNOFF FROM OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER , THE LANDSCAPING COMPANY AND CONCERNS ABOUT FERTILIZER ACTUALLY BEING IN STORMWATER RUNOFF THAT IS MAKING IT TO THE POND AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THEY HAVE HAD MAINTENANCE CONCERNS REGARDING THAT. OBVIOUSLY , OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE HAVING A DIRECT IMPACT AND WE CANNOT CONTROL NEIGHBORS. WHAT I CAN SAY IS ANY RUNOFF COMING FROM A NEIGHBORING SITE WOULD BE CAPTURED IN OUR SYSTEM . THE REALITY IS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET AN ADDITIONAL ROUND OF TREATMENT FROM OUR MAJORS THAT WE WILL HAVE IN PLACE BEFORE IT WOULD REACH ANY OF THE HLA ASSOCIATION PONDS.

>> AGAIN, NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO IF THERE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM AND RUNOFF COMING FROM THAT PROPERTY. IF ANYTHING THEY WILL BE MORE PROTECTED AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT THEN THEY WOULD BE BEFOREHAND. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE OTHER ISSUE PERTAIN TO THE LESS POND AND SAYING WATER LEVELS HAVE NOT MAINTAINED WHAT THEY WOULD EXPECT FROM A STANDPOINT AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE POND GETS RELATIVELY DRY. THERE IS ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF OUR SITE AND EXISTING CONDITION THAT DRAINS TO THAT POND. OBVIOUSLY WE ARE REQUIRED TO CAPTURE THAT RUNOFF AND DETAIN IT OURSELVES AND OUTFALL IT. IN THE IMPACT WE WOULD HAVE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE NEGLIGIBLE . THERE IS ONLY A SMALL PART OF THAT TREE PRESERVATION AREA THAT DRAINS DIRECTLY INTO THE POND . IS SOUNDS LIKE IT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE FOR YEARS. I AM NOT SURE WHAT IS CAUSING THAT, IF IT IS ORIGINAL DESIGN CONCERN , AGAIN, PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WILL HAVE INFLUENCE ON .

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I THINK THAT MIGHT APPEASE THE NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU.

>> A COUPLE OF SMALL POTATO TYPE THINGS. I JUST ASK THAT YOU WORK WITH STAFF ON THIS AND REPORT BACK TO COMMITTEE. THERE ARE JUST MORE QUESTIONS THAT NEED CLARIFIED. I HAD A SIMILAR THOUGHT ABOUT THE INLET AND PIPE DRAINING FROM THE DOG PART TO THE COMMUNITY GARDEN. JUST MORE INFORMATION WOULD BE

HELPFUL. >> ONE THING THAT CAUGHT MY EYE IS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING TO THE SOUTH OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE OFF OF 146 STREET. WE HAVE TAPER AND , AND IMPROVED RADII COMING IN. I JUST ASK , IS THAT THE BEST AND RIGHT PLACE FOR PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS . MAYBE THAT IS WHAT FOLKS HAVE ASKED YOU TO DO VERSUS WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO. I AM JUST A LITTLE LEERY OF HAVING THAT TO THE SOUTH OF WHERE FOLKS WOULD BE STOPPING AND LOOKING, OR PEOPLE MIGHT BE RACING IN A

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>> IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS IS THERE

MOTION? >> I MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS ITEM SUBDIVISION PRIMARY PLAT TO THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION COMMITTEE WITH THE COMMITTEE HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE

>> THANK YOU , BOTH. IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THIS WILL GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION STUDY COMMUTING COMMITTEE MEETING ON JULY 2ND. THANK YOU.

[1. Docket No. PZ-2024-00044 DP/ADLS: Courtyard by Marriott Hotel.]

>> CONTINUING WITH THE AGENDA. WE WILL NOW TAKE UP DOCKET PC-204 -00044 THREE COURTYARD BY MARRIOTT HOTEL. THE APPLICANT SEEKS VELDMAN PLAN AND APPROVAL FOR A NEW FULL-SERVICE HOTEL WITH 102 ROOMS. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 13285 ILLINOIS STREET, ZONING IS MC MERIDIAN CORRIDOR.

PETITION FILED BY. WELCOME. MY NAME IS SAM PATL I AM HERE FOR TEAM JACOB . ERIC CARTER IS OUR ENGINEER AND IS MY BUSINESS PARTNER AND J IS ON THE INVESTMENT SIDE OF THE HOTEL.

IF YEARS BACK, 2019 WE PROPOSED HAVING A HOTEL ON THE SITE BUT IT WAS APPROVED AND WE WERE GOING TO START CONSTRUCTION IN MARCH , APRIL 2020 AND THEN COVE IT HAPPENED AND WE HAD TO PUT EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE. WE ARE BACK PROPOSING COURTYARD BY MARRIOTT . IT IS 100 TO ROOM PROPERTY, FOUR-STORY BUILDING .

WE HAVE MEETING SPACE AND LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 4000 SQUARE FOOT OF MEETING SPACE. AND OTHER THAN THAT EVERYTHING ELSE IS VERY MUCH THE SAME AS WE REPORTED BACK IN 2019 FOR THE SITE. I WOULD BE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. ANYTHING ELSE

WAS SUBMITTED YESTERDAY. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC . CAN I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS OF THOSE OF YOU WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION? A LOT HAS CHANGED IN FOUR YEARS. WE WILL GO TO THE DEPARTMENT REPORT.

>> THANK YOU. IF YOU WILL LEAVE THOSE UP I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL. FOR THE RECORD, RACHEL FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. AS WE HAVE HEARD THE PETITIONER'S REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A NEW FULL-SERVICE HOTEL IN THE MERIDIAN CORRIDOR. THIS SITE IS VISIBLE FROM MERIDIAN STREET, ACCESS IS FROM ILLINOIS STREET AND THE BUILDING WILL BE PLACED AS FAR EAST AS IT CAN GO ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING POND .

THE PARKING WILL BLEND INTO THE EXISTING PARKING LOT FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING . THIS IS A SITE THAT HAS TWO EXTRA PARCELS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED IN A LONG TIME . AS SAM SAID , THE HOTEL CAME BEFORE US IN 2019 AND THEN THINGS CHANGED. THEY ARE BACK BEFORE US AGAIN. THERE IS ONE VARIANT THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THIS SITE. THEY DID GET THIS BACK IN 2019 , ENOUGH TIME HAS PASSED THAT THEY NEED TO ASK FOR IT AGAIN. IT IS REFERRING TO THE 75% REQUIRED COVERAGE A BUILDINGS ALONG MERIDIAN STREET . BUT THEY ONLY HAVE 62.4% WITH THEIR BUILDING COMBINED WITH THE EXISTING CMC BUILDING. GENERALLY THE INTENT

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>> THE LAST ITEM IS SUPPLEMENTAL LIGHTING.

LANDSCAPING PHOTO METRIC PLAN AND SIGNAGE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF UTO AS PROPOSED AND WE RECOMMEND TO SEND THIS ITEM TO THE COMMITTEE ON JULY 2ND WITH THE COMMITTEE HAVING FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. DISCUSSION . >> FOR THOSE OF US WHO WERE NOT HERE, THIS IS COMING BACK BECAUSE TIME HAS TRANSPIRED AND

IT IS REQUIRED TO COME BACK. >> BECAUSE OF COVID , THEY DID NOT MOVE FORWARD ON THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLANS AT THAT TIME. ENOUGH TIME HAS PASSED THAT THEY NEED TO GET NEW APPROVAL. OF THREE YEARS IS THE MAXIMUM TIME .

>> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.

>> THEY ALSO HAVE A NEW HOTEL FLAG THIS IS NOT THE AVID HOTEL IT IS COURTYARD MARRIOTT. THAT WAS THE CHANGE THAT WAS NOT

AVAILABLE TO THEM . >> WHEN IT CAME THROUGH THE FIRST TIME JUST INDULGE ME SINCE FOUR OF US WERE NOT HERE . WHEN IT CAME THROUGH THE FIRST TIME IT WAS APPROVED.

>> IT WAS. >> A HOTEL AT THAT SITE WAS APPROVED. THEY ARE BACK BECAUSE THE CLOCK RAN OUT. THEY HAVE TO START AND GO AGAIN AND THE PLAN WILL BE DIFFERENT. I JUST WANT TO GET A UNDERSTANDING. THANK YOU.

>> THIS SITE IS TUCKED BACK THERE. IT IS HARD TO SEE FROM ILLINOIS STREET . WHEN YOU HAVE SIGNAGE ON ILLINOIS? HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO FIND THIS? IT IS HARD TO SEE FROM ILLINOIS.

>> WE HAVE NOT DECIDED , WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THREE SIGNS ON THE BUILDING. ONE FACING EAST, ONE WEST AND ONE FACING SOUTH .

THE TRAFFIC WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE BUILDING. DOWN THE ROAD IF WE SEE A NEED FOR ASSIGNED WE WILL DEFINITELY COME BACK AND GET APPROVAL FOR THAT. WE WILL DEFINITELY -- FOR THE SIGN BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW HOW TALL THE SIGN WILL BE BECAUSE WE ARE TUCKED AWAY IN THE BACK. WE WILL COME BACK FOR THAT DOWN

THE ROAD . >> THANK YOU.

>> DID YOU SAY THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE ANY SIGN ON

ILLINOIS? >> RIGHT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING

ANY SIGN. >> SOMEBODY IS DRIVING DOWN ILLINOIS, I REMEMBER THIS VERY WELL.

>> THE SIGN WE HAVE DOES NOT REACH TO ILLINOIS STREET. I AM A WE WILL BE ABLE TO PUT A SIGN OVER THERE. WE WILL HAVE TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS OR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SEE IF THEY WILL ALLOW US TO PUT A SIGN. IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN WE WILL

PUT A SIGN BY THE NURSERY. >> I REMEMBER THIS FROM LAST TIME AND THAT WAS CONFUSING. PEOPLE DRIVING NORTH OR SOUTH ON ILLINOIS, I THINK THERE IS A CUT . COMING AT NIGHT AND IT IS DARK, THAT'S THE SAME RESERVATION I HAD BACK THEN.

AND YOU LOOK AT IF YOU CAN GET AT THIS A SIGN OR DOES THE DEPARTMENT CARE ? I'M LOOKING AT A SAFETY ISSUE.

>> THEY DO HAVE ACCESS EASEMENTS THROUGH THE OTHER TWO PARCELS THAT ARE FLANKING ON ILLINOIS STREET THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THOSE OWNERS IN ORDER TO ASK FOR PERMISSION TO PUT A SIGN THERE AND THEY WOULD NEED VARIANCE FOR THAT .

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>> I AM JUST ONE PERSON, BUT I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.

>> BEFORE ANY NEXT MEETING WE WILL HAVE BUILDING RENDERINGS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO LOOK AT.

>> WE HAVE TWO THINGS PENDING, ONE IS A BUILDING RENDERING, THE ARCHITECT IS WORKING ON THAT AND ALSO THE LIGHTING PLAN

. >> WHEN YOU BRING THE RENDERINGS , CAN YOU BRING WHAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE AND A

SIDE-BY-SIDE? >> DEFINITELY.

>> THANK YOU. >> I THINK WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT , I DO NOT REMEMBER WHAT I HAD FOR BREAKFAST, BUT I REMEMBER HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT NOBODY GOES TO A HOTEL WITHOUT USING MAPS. ONCE YOU FOLLOW THE ROUTE IT WOULD BE MISSION-CRITICAL TO TRY TO HELP ON ILLINOIS FOR THAT LAST .

>> THAT IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. MOST OF THE PEOPLE THEY STILL PUT GPS ON ANY MORE AND IT JUST LEADS YOU TO THE

SITE. >> JUST PIGGYBACKING SOMEONE ELSE'S COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH IT.

>> QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW THE REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE AND STAFF CAN ULTIMATELY ANSWER THIS. IS IT A FUNCTION OF THE POND FOR ALL THREE SITES ON THIS LOT?

>> YES. >> THIS IS --

>> THE POND IS REGIONAL DETENTION FOR THE THREE SITES.

>> WE HAVE MADE IT AS WIDE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN MAKE IT AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO ABOUT 62%.

>> THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE BEFORE THAT REQUIREMENT WAS PUT INTO THE UTO AND WE ARE TRYING TO BE FLEXIBLE ON THE INTENT BEHIND IT AND FILLING UP THE SPACE WITH AS MUCH BUILDING AS POSSIBLE.

>> THANK YOU. >> AT LEAST THREE OF YOU HAVE REDUCED MY COMMENTS TO PIGGYBACKING. I WILL PICK UP ON JEFF'S ISSUE. WITH THE SHAPE OF THE LOT. WITH THE ELEVATION OF THE EXIT RAMP BEING ON SOUTHBOUND 31 I AM STRUGGLING WITH ANYBODY COULD FULFILL THE INTENT OR IF THE INTENT IS NECESSARY OF THAT DESIGNED REQUIREMENT. OBVIOUSLY -- CAN ADDRESS THAT AND SEE IF IT IS MAYBE TOOTHLESS IF THAT IS THEIR DETERMINATION. I AM NOT SURE THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE THE VARIANCE IS EVEN NECESSARY.

BECAUSE THERE IS NO US 30 WANT TO SPEAK OF. THERE IS JUST A RAMP WITH A EAST PROPERTY LINE . THAT IS JUST MY TWO CENTS.

>> THE SIGNAGE QUESTION , I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES. I THINK DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE FROM ILLINOIS STREET IS IMPORTANT SO FOLKS DO NOT INADVERTENTLY TURN INTO THE CHURCH TO THE SOUTH , OR I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE MEDICAL CLINIC A LITTLE FARTHER NORTH IS THE NEXT OPTION SO PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO ZERO IN ON WHERE THE HOTEL IS. THE OTHER PIECE, I HOPE YOUR ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS WILL HELP THE COMMITTEE UNDERSTAND THIS , HAS TO DO WITH SIGNAGE ON ALL FOUR FRONTAGES . GIVEN THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING, WHETHER SIGNAGE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE VISIBLE GIVEN THE DISTANCE IT IS SET BACK FROM ILLINOIS AND THE EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING ALONG ILLINOIS . SAME THING ON THE EAST ELEVATION . AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE WAY BOTH MAIN STREET AND THE RAMP ARE ELEVATED. IT POSES SIGNAGE CHALLENGES AS WELL. I WANT TO BE SURE TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU ARE INVESTING IN SIGNAGE THAT IT HAS VISIBILITY THAT IS DESIRABLE AND CONVERSELY DOES NOT HAVE VISIBILITY THAT IS NOT DESIRABLE. THE LAST POINT IS BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATED NATURE OF THE RAMP AND MAIN STREET

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>> DEFINITELY. >> YOU SEEM TO HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THIS. THIS MIGHT BE A COMPROMISE AND MAYBE PUTTING A SIGN OUT WHAT WOULD BE THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. IT WOULD BE MORE VISIBLE . YOU KNOW WHAT I AM

TRYING TO GET AT? >> I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW .

THAT'S WHY AM ASKING THE QUESTION. THIS IS LIKE SO MANY BUSINESSES AT GREYHOUND PASS THEY ARE ALL 30, 40 FEET BELOW STREET GRADE. THEY WERE NOT BUILT THAT WAY , THAT IS A SITUATION THEY HAVE TODAY. I WANT IT TO MAKE SENSE FOR YOU AND THE SUCCESS OF YOUR BUSINESS, BUT ALSO MAKE SENSE THAT IT IS NOT COMMERCIAL INTRUSION FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DOES NOT SERVE A USEFUL FUNCTION.

>> RIGHT NOW WE ARE PROPOSING SIGNS ON THREE SITES ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WEST SIDE AND EAST SIDE. I AM SURE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT ONCE THE BOX OF THE BUILDING IS UP AND YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING IS NOT VISIBLE THAT IT IS TUCKED AWAY THEN THEY WILL COME BACK AND ASKED FOR VARIANCE FOR THE SIGN.

>> MY COMMENT IS CARMEL WAY , LESS SIGNS IS BETTER , I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE NOTICED IT OR NOT. MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE IF YOU HAVE ONE COMING OFF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THOSE DIFFERENT ANGLES. I WAS TRYING TO FIND A COMPROMISE, TO BRAD'S POINT MAYBE WE ARE SPENDING EXTRA MONEY ON SIGNS THAT IS UNNECESSARY AND MAYBE STAFF CAN WORK WITH YOU TO BE CREATIVE AND FIND A SOLUTION FOR ALL THE PROBLEMS WE ARE CONFRONTING AND FIT IN WITH LESS IS MORE MOTTO .

>> SAM , ARE YOU PROPOSING SIGNAGE ON THREE ELEVATIONS?

>> ON THREE . WE HAD FOR BECAUSE OF THE SIZE THE BUILDING WE ARE ONLY GOING TO DO IT ON THREE.

>> I THINK I READ THREE BUT THEN I SAW FOUR . YOU HAVE A FRESHER VERSION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR INPUT BEFORE THIS GOES TO COMMITTEE? IS THERE A MOTION?

>> I MOVED TO SEND IT TO COMMITTEE MIDI MEETING GETTING

FINAL APPROVAL. >> EMOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THIS WILL GO TO THE COMMITTEE MEETING ON JULY 2ND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSEVERANCE.

[2. Docket No. PZ-2024-00062 DP/ADLS: Everwise Credit Union.]

>> NEXT ITEM IS DOCKET -- EVER WISE CREDIT UNION. THIS IS ALSO IN THE CATEGORY OF SECOND EFFORT AT SITE. APPLICANT SEEKS DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND APPROVAL TO BUILD A 3400 SQUARE FOOT CREDIT UNION ON 1.15 ACRES LOCATED AT 10920 NORTH MISSION ROAD. IS ALSO WITHIN U.S. 421 OVERLAY DISTRICT. PETITION HAS BEEN FILED BY MIRANDA SEALS ARCHITECT. WELCOME.

>> GOOD EVENING. I AM MIRANDA SEALS AND I AM WITH THE , EIGHT DEVELOPMENT DESIGN BUILD FIRM FROM WABASHA, WISCONSIN. WE ARE WORKING WITH ONE OF OUR LONG-TERM CLIENTS , EVER WISE CREDIT UNION , FORMALLY KNOWN AS TEACHER WISE CREDIT UNION.

THERE MOST RECENT , I GUESS PURSUANCE IS THE SITE ALONG RED ROAD WEST POINT , MICHIGAN. NORMALLY IT WAS APPROVED AS A BURGER JOINT . THE MAIN SITE PLAN HAS SHARED THE EXISTING CURB CUT AND SHARE WITH THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH AND WE ARE UTILIZING THE TWO EXISTING CURB CUTS INTO A NONEXISTING PARKING LOT TO HAVE ACCESS TO PARKING FOR MEMBERS AND EMPLOYEES AND FOR TRAFFIC. THIS IS A QUICK DIAGRAM SHOWING THE

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>> WE COULD USE THE DOWNWARD CAMERA , IF YOU COULD LAY YOUR LAPTOP DOWN , IF THAT IS AN IDEA . LOOK AT THE SCREEN.

THERE YOU GO. >> THAT IS HIGH QUALITY

TECHNOLOGY. >> WHATEVER WORKS. CAN YOU KIND OF READ THIS? THERE ARE SOME CIRCULATION PATHS SHOWING VEHICLE CIRCULATION FOR MEMBERS THROUGH TRAFFIC OR WHETHER THEY ARE USING THE ATM OR NIGHT DEPOSIT. THERE IS ALSO A NEW SIDEWALK , ADA ACCESSIBLE ACCESS FROM RED ROAD AT MICHIGAN ALL THE WAY TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE FOR THE BICYCLE PARKING. FROM WEST POINT DRIVE THERE IS ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, THERE ARE TWO STEPS SO IT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE, BUT THERE ARE TWO OTHER ACCESSIBLE ROUTE. THE OVERLAY DISTRICT HAS DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE ELECTED TO FOLLOW THE UNIT COMPLEMENTARY DESIGN . THE EXTERIOR DESIGN IS COMPRISED OF TWO DIFFERENT COLORS OF BRICK, MAINLY LIGHTER GRAY WITH DARKER BRICK ACCENTS.

THE BASE FOUNDATION OR EXPOSED FOUNDATION IS A DARK COLORED SPLIT FACE BLOCK THAT MATCHES THE TWO PEERS THAT FRAMED THE CORNER ENTRANCE THAT IS AT THE CORNER OF WEST POINT AND MICHIGAN. ALSO IS THE TWO BUILDING SIGNAGE IT JUST THE BUILDING SCIENCE . AND THE THIRD BUILDING SIGN IS A MONUMENT SIGN ON MICHIGAN ROAD . ADDITIONALLY , THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING CAN SHOW MORE OF THE WINDOW TREATMENTS. YOU HAVE TWO ROWS ABOVE THE WINDOWS TO HAVE ABOVE THEM TO COMPLEMENT THE . WE ALSO HAVE BRACKETS ALONG THE ENTIRE PERIMETER AND THEN TO SCREAM MECHANICAL , WE HAVE A BELVEDERE THAT HAS OPENINGS THAT WILL ALLOW AIRFLOW TO GET IN FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT . IT IS REPETITIVE OF A BELVEDERE

. ANY QUESTIONS ? >> WE WILL FIND OUT. TAKE YOU VERY MUCH. PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUES. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK? ANYONE? LET'S DO THE

DEPARTMENT REPORT. >> THANK YOU. AS WE HAVE HEARD WE HAVE A NEW CREDIT UNION SEEKING TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON

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>> THANK YOU. DUBBIE . >> REAL QUICK, CAN YOU ORIENT US WITH WHERE THE DAYCARE CENTER IS?

>> THE DAYCARE CENTER IS THIS BUILDING RIGHT THERE WHERE MY

CURSOR IS. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. PRESIDENT I MOVE WE SUSPEND RULES AND PROCEDURES

THIS EVENING. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THEN I WILL ASK OR PURSUE THAT MOTION . ON THE WEST ELEVATION , THE EMPLOYEE SERVICE DOOR , CAN YOU CONFIRM THE SIDEWALK SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN EXTENDS SO THAT THE DOOR OPENS ONTO THE SIDEWALK AND NOT DIRECTLY INTO

A DRIVEWAY? >> YES . THERE IS A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK. IT FACES THE BUILDING AND THE CURB . THE DOOR OPENS AND YOU CAN WALK ALONGSIDE THE BUILDING.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. THE STAFF DESCRIBED AT THE MEETING THE PARKING ORDINANCE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEEDING IT. WHY DO YOU NEED

SO MUCH PARKING? >> FOR THE ANTICIPATED MEMBERS THAT THEY ARE EXPECTING TO SERVE PER DAY, AS WELL AS THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGER BRANCHES, THEY WILL HAVE BETWEEN 12 AND

15 EMPLOYEES PER DAY . >> THANKS. IT FEELS LIKE A LOT.

>> THANK YOU , MR. PRESIDENT. I NOTICED IN THE STAFF REPORT YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE DRIVE-THROUGH'S BEING IN THE FRONT AND NOT BACK. IS THAT A NON-ISSUE ?

>> BECAUSE THIS SITE HAS THREE PUBLIC STREET FRONTAGES, MICHIGAN ROAD, WESTON POINT DRIVE AND RED ROAD IT IS KIND OF A PENINSULA , THERE IS NO WAY TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT OF HIDING THE DRIVE-THROUGH COMPLETELY . THIS IS A COMMON THING THAT HAPPENS ON THE MICHIGAN ROAD OVERLAY. THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE DESIGNED THE BUILDING , BRINGING IT AS CLOSE TO THE STREET AS POSSIBLE AND ALL THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY WILL BE PLANTING ON THE WESTON POINT SIDE WHICH IS THE NORTH SIDE WE WILL SCREEN IT AS BEST AS WE CAN THEY WILL STILL NEED

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>> THANK YOU. >> ONE OTHER QUESTION POPS UP WHEN I LOOK AT THAT PLANT. WITH THE INTENDED TRAFFIC FLOW FOR MEMBERS USING THE ITM'S BE COUNTERCLOCKWISE AROUND THE BUILDING ? OR WILL THEY BE DIRECTED IN THROUGH THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT? SORT OF CLOCKWISE .

>> IT WILL BE COUNTERCLOCKWISE UP AROUND THE BUILDING AND BACK

DOWN. >> OKAY . THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO SUSPEND OUR RULES SO WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THIS PETITION THIS EVENING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SUSPENDING THE RULES SAY AYE . RULES ARE SUSPENDED.

>> MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE DOCKET NUMBER PC

2024-00062 AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND.

>> WITH CONDITION -- >> OF COURSE. THAT IS WHAT I

SAID IN MY HEAD. >> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE SUBJECT TO THE VARIANCE SAY AYE . DONE. THANK

YOU. >> CONTINUING . ITEM NUMBER

[4. Docket No. PZ-2024-00069 DP/ADLS: Independent Senior Insurance.]

FLOOR IS YOURS. >> HELLO . I AM STEPHANIE. I HAVE MY HUSBAND HERE WITH ME AS WELL AS OUR DESIGN TEAM. WE HAVE PAUL MEYER FROM JRA AND DAVE WELCH FROM AMERICA STRUCTURE POINT . WE LIVE IN CARMEL, OVER IN THE VALLEYBROOK SUBDIVISION , ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF FROM THIS SITE AND WE HAVE TWO KIDS HERE OUR KIDS ARE DOWN AT THE MOVIES . I AM HERE TODAY, WE LIVE HERE AND WE PLAY HERE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK HERE. WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE OUR BUSINESS THAT MY STUDDED HUSBAND STARTED 15 YEARS AGO AT, 21309 EAST HUNDRED 46 STREET WHICH WE OWN. JUST TO GIVE YOU BACKGROUND HOW WHAT WE DO. IT IS THE LARGEST INDEPENDENT BROKER OF MEDICARE PLANS IN INDIANA. MY HUSBAND OFFERS A WIDE RANGE OF PLANS RATHER THAN SELLING ONE OR TWO, HE HAS A HUGE VARIETY . HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT HIS CLIENTS GET THE BEST PLAN FOR THEM NOT WHAT HE SELLS AND GETS THE HIGHEST COMMISSION ON. HE SUPPORTS CLIENTS THROUGH EMERGENCIES, HOLDING ISSUES HEALTHY LIFESTYLE CHANGES. WE HAVE FIVE EMPLOYEES , INCLUDING ANSWER AND THREE OF THOSE LIVE IN CARMEL. WE CHOSE THIS SITE BECAUSE OF THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO OUR HOME, OUR CHILDREN'S SCHOOL , IT IS REALLY WHERE WE WANT TO BE. WE SHOP AT THE GROCERY STORE THAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET . THERE IS A BIG PARKING LOT THERE, WE ALSO GET GAS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. BECAUSE WE ARE INVESTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WANT TO LIVE THERE AS WELL AS WORK THERE . WE DID GO AHEAD AND CONTACT ABOUT 15 NEIGHBORS IN THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISION TO ASK THEM FOR FEEDBACK ON OUR PLANS PRIOR TO COMING HERE TONIGHT , EVEN BEFORE WE PUT THE NOTICE OUT. GENERALLY , I THINK WE HAD

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FOR THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING PLAN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DID NOT DISTURB THE NEIGHBORS SO WE WENT WITH LOWER LIGHTING RATHER THAN LARGE OVERHEAD LIGHTING. COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS THAT WAS THERE WHICH WAS A VET CLINIC, OUR BUSINESS HOURS ARE GENERALLY 9-TO-5 MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. WE WILL NOT BE PORTING ANY PETS WHICH WOULD MAKE NOISES AND THERE WILL NOT BE AFT OUR PICKUPS OR WEEKENDS INVOLVED. THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS WOULD HAVE HAD PROBABLY AS MANY AS FOUR APPOINTMENTS PER HOUR DURING REGULAR OPERATING HOURS .

ANDREW SEES AN OFFICE AN AVERAGE OF FIVE CLIENTS PER WEEK. THAT WOULD BE MUCH LESS TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE INLET. ONE MORE THING, WE WILL PAVE THE PARKING LOT AND PROVIDE PROPER DRAINAGE AND HOPEFULLY THAT SPACE , WHICH I THINK IS LOOKING A BIT NEGLECTED, WILL BE JUST A BIG IMPROVEMENT . WE ARE GOING TO RENOVATE RIGHT DOWN TO THE STUDS DUE TO SOME OF THAT MAINTENANCE ISSUES IT REALLY DOES NEED TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE WHOLE ENTIRE BUILDING . WE HAVE OFFERED A DESIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT SHOULD BE A BIG IMPROVEMENT. I WILL LET OUR DESIGN TEAM DAVE AND PAUL ANSWER SPECIFICS ABOUT THAT. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUSINESS OR THE HOURS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WE CAN ANSWER THAT .

>> GOOD EVENING . I AM PAUL MEYER FROM JR ARCHITECTURE. AND% SEE IF I CAN GET THIS SO YOU CAN SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE.

>> WE ARE BASICALLY GOING TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING ANNEX THAT WAS BUILT FOR THE EXISTING THAT AND CLEAN UP THE SITE LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT. THE EXISTING HOUSE WILL ESSENTIALLY REMAIN AS IS . AS WE TEAR THAT THING DOWN , WE ARE GOING TO CLEAN UP THE FRONT ELEVATION ALONG 146 STREET. THERE IS A VARIETY OF OVERHANGS . WE WILL LOOK AT A PICTURE ON THE LAST PAGE AND IT WILL SHOW YOU WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW. WE WILL BE CLEANING IT UP AND RESURFACING WITH NEW SIDING , MASONARY WAINSCOT ALONG THE BOTTOM AND THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING ITSELF

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LACAZETTE , THEY ARE ATTACHED HERE . HERE IS THE STONE WE ARE PLAN ON USING ON THE FOUNDATION AND THE WEST ELEVATION, THE SIDING, WE ARE USING PILLER ANDERSON WINDOWS . IS ALL -- IT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL MATERIALS. WE ARE USING A SINGLE AND GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS THAT WILL BE A NEUTRAL LIGHT COLOR .

PAINT COLORS ARE BASICALLY LIGHT GRAY AND A DARKER GRAY WHICH IS FOR THE TRIM AND BILLBOARDS. IT SHOULD BE PRETTY NEUTRAL , IT SHOULD BLEND IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD . I GUESS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE SITE.

>> DAVID WELCH WITH AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT. FOR OUR SITE, LET ME GET TO IT HERE , 13 SPOT PARKING LOT . I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT WELL ENOUGH HERE . 13 SPOT PARKING LOT WITH ENTRANCE OFF 146 STREET RED OBVIOUSLY WE WILL HAVE STORM SEWER TO SERVE

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>> THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION. ONE, TWO KOREAN IF YOU BOTH WOULD APPROACH THE MICROPHONE AND LINE UP. YOU MUST. PEOPLE ARE WATCHING FROM HOME. THAT IS OUR PROCEDURE . THANK YOU FOR OFFERING .

>> HOW IS THIS? >> MUCH BETTER . GIVE US YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE. I AM CHARLIE AND SUSIE IS THE LADY BESIDE ME. WE ARE THE PERSPECTIVE NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPOSED PROJECT , THE CHURCH. I KNOW THERE IS SOMETIME IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT PAST THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FOR A ROUNDABOUT AT THE INTERSECTION OF 146TH AND KERRY . I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, EVEN IF IT IS STILL IN THE PLANNING. I KNOW A ROUNDABOUT WILL TAKE AWAY RIGHT AWAY IT I WONDER HOW THAT MIGHT INTERFERE WITH THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS US BEING THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

THANK YOU >> THANK YOU. NEXT .

>> TONY VANCE , PRESIDENT OF THE HLA. I HAVE NOT SEEN A TON OF DRAWINGS OR HAD A LOT OF TALKS ABOUT THE PROJECT. I DO KNOW FROM TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS, THE TIE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION POND . WE HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH THE COUNTY. WE HAVE SILT BUILD UP NOW . I AM IN THE UNDERGROUND UTILITY BUSINESS, I DO KNOW FROM TALKING TO THEM OUTSIDE THEY WILL PUT IN EROSION CONTROL AND FABRIC. IT IS GOING TO FLOW INTO THE POND AND THEREFORE NOT CAUSING MORE SILT BUILD UP. WHERE THEY ARE TYING IN IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO WILL BE WATER. I DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE DEFINITION, THERE IS POND IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DEFINED AS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE TYING INTO IS CURRENTLY FOR THE ASSOCIATION .

AS FAR AS THE BUILDING, ANY UPGRADE TO THE BUILDING IS BETTER THAN WHERE IT'S IT'S NOW IT IS NOT IN GOOD CONDITION. I THINK HALF OF THE STORM LINE OR TIE-IN AREA IS THE ISSUE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS ADDRESSED. WITHIN TYING IN AS AN ASSOCIATION WE WOULD LIKE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT OF POND MAINTENANCE , WHATEVER THAT AGREEMENT IS.

CURRENTLY I THINK OUR COST ARE THREE OR 4000 . I CAN GET NUMBERS TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED. TYING INTO IT JUST LIKE THE CHURCH PAYS NOW ROOT HOPEFULLY THAT IS IN

CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS DAVID LAMPTON, I AM 14566 TAYLOR TRACE OR LOT 10 , WHICH IS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE WERE ABLE TO GO OVER SOME OF THE PLANS WITH THEM. FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE 2005, WE HAVE WATCHED THAT PROPERTY TOTALLY DETERIORATE. WITH SOME PRODDING THE PREVIOUS OWNER DID FINAL AND A NEW ROOF BECAUSE CRITTERS WERE GOING IN AND MAKING THE HOMES IN THERE. FROM WHAT WE SEE IN THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, AND THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY WANT TO DO , IT WOULD BE A GREAT IMPROVEMENT FOR LOTS 10 AND 11. BOTH OF OUR HOUSES FACED THE

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COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS? YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS.

>> ADDRESSING MR. VANCE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SILT BUILD UP WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN POND THAT WE ARE DRAINING TO AS WELL IS THE ROUTE OF THE SEWER OUTLET INTO THE POND , THAT IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. WHAT OUR SITE DOES TO ADDRESS THAT, WE FOLLOW CARAMELS STORMWATER ORDINANCE FOR STORMWATER POLITY. WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE -- SORRY PRE-WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO IS BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE MEASURES FOR STORMWATER QUALITY. THAT MEANS ANY STORM THAT IS CAPTURED ON OUR SITE WE WILL RUN IT THROUGH TWO MEASURES THAT ESSENTIALLY CLEAN THE WATER BEFORE IT IS OUTLET AT TO THE POND DOWNSTREAM RECEIVING END. THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT FROM WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. IT IS A GRAVEL LOT, STORM WATER RUNS OFF INTO THE POND, NO MANAGEMENT PRACTICES. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN THIS PLAN , THAT SHOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT SEDIMENT BUILDUP IN THE POND. WHAT YOU CAN ASCERTAIN AS THE ENTIRE PROBLEM TO WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE POND AND SILT BUILD UP, IT IS HARD FOR US TO SAY ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES , BUT, AS FAR AS OUR PROPERTY IS CONCERNED, WE SHOULD BE ADDING IMPROVEMENT TO THAT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SIR, THIS IS NOT A BACK-AND-FORTH CONVERSATION. PETITIONER IS RESPONDING TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD . SIR, THIS IS NOT A CONVERSATION. IF YOU WANT TO BE WITH THE PETITIONER AFTERWARD, YOU ARE WELCOME TO.

>> MR. VANCE DID BRING UP THE ROUTE OF STORMS AND HOW WE ARE OUT LETTING THAT AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO RESPOND TO RID WHAT IS GOING ON, IS TH, TH SEWER WITHIN 146 STREET THAT WE CAN DIRECTLY TIE INTO. THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PATTERN OF THAT LOT IS TO DIRECTLY DISCHARGE INTO THE MASTER PLAN POND. WHAT WE HAVE DONE, YES, WE ARE ADDING IMPERVIOUS SITE COVERAGE TO THE SITE. WHAT WE HAVE DONE , IN ORDER TO MANAGE THAT IS , WE HAVE A DETENTION SYSTEM THAT BOTTLES BACK ANY EXCESS DISCHARGE THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN THESE TWO PONDS.

ACTUALLY, BY WHAT WE HAVE MODELED , WE ARE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT GOES TO THE POND AND THE CURRENT

CONDITION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DEPARTMENT REPORT. >> THANK YOU. AS WE HAVE HEARD, THIS USED TO BE A ANIMAL HOSPITAL. WE HAVE ALSO HEARD IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED , CONSIDERING IT HAS NOT BEEN KEPT UP AS WELL AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. THIS SITE IS UNIQUE IN THAT IT IS ZONED R1 RESIDENTIAL WITH ADDITIONAL CLASSIFICATION CALLED RUSSO THREE AND THAT STANDS FOR RESIDENTIAL OPEN-SPACE ORDINANCE. IT IS THE THIRD VERSION OF THAT ORDINANCE. WE USED TO ALLOW SUBDIVISIONS TO BUILD HOMES CLOSE TOGETHER SO THEY WOULD PRESERVE AS MUCH

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THE TALKED ABOUT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING BEING TAKEN DOWN TO THE STUDS AND TRANSFORMED WITH THE NEW MATERIALS AND UPDATED BUILDING ADDITION. THEY HAVE 13 PARKING SPACES, NINE SPACES ARE REQUIRED. THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS WORKING THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS ON THE STORMWATER AND HOW ALL THAT WORKS AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL MAKE IT BETTER AFTER THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE . THEY HAVE NOT YET RELEASED THAT ARE SIGNED OFF ON IT. THE URBAN FORRESTER HAD ONE MINOR COMMENT THAT HE NEEDED ADDRESSED IN ORDER TO SIGN OFF FOR THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. SIGNAGE IS VERY MINIMAL . AS YOU SAW THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE THERE IS A BLADE SIGN THAT CAME OFF THE BUILDING. ANOTHER UNIQUE ASPECT OF THE SITE, THERE IS NOT REALLY A FRONT YARD IT IS COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY DRAWS AROUND THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING. THERE IS NO PROPERTY FOR THEM TO PUT A GROUND SIGN ON ALONG THE ROAD , THAT'S WHY THIS BUILDING HAS A PROJECTING SIGN ON THE OUTSIDE.

THEY WILL USE THAT AND IT WILL BE VISIBLE TO TRAFFIC FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS OF 146 STREET . WE HAVE NO MAJOR OUTSTANDING COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT. THE DESIGN IS GOOD AND WE ARE FINISHING UP WORKING THROUGH OUR ONLINE REVIEW SOFTWARE . WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU SUSPEND RULES AND PROCEDURE A VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO FINALIZING COMMENTS

THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> THANK YOU . THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING. QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION .

>> SHANNON . >> THANK YOU BRITT I HAVE A COUPLE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FIRST , I WANT TO START BY SAYING, I ACTUALLY LOOK AT THIS . I WENT BACK THROUGH TO SEE WHAT -- IT IS MY JOB ANY TO LEARN THESE THINGS. I FIND IT INTERESTING HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. I COMMAND OUR PETITIONER FOR COMING IN WITH SUCH A GREAT DESIGN , PUTTING THE PARKING LOT TO THE WEST SO IT IS NOT FACING NEIGHBORS OR THE CHURCH , IT KIND OF COINCIDES, WHICH I LIKE. THE SECOND THING IS MAKING THE PROPERTY LOOK 1000 TIMES BETTER . I REALLY LIKE THAT A LOT. MY CLARIFYING QUESTION IS , YOU HAD MENTIONED -- I'M SORRY, I AM ADDRESSING RACHEL. RACHEL, YOU MENTIONED THEY ARE PART OF THE TAYLOR TRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE THEY A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION UNDER THE

DECLARATION OF COVENANTS? >> THEY ARE LOT 12 IN THAT SUBDIVISION SO THEY SHOULD BE.

>> ONLY CLARIFY QUESTION I HAVE IS WHAT IS THE REGULATION TO PAYING THEIR DUES. THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER PAY DUES? IS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED? SORRY TO BRING IT UP.

>> USE THE MIC AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND

>> MY NAME IS ANDREW, I AM THE PROPRIETOR OF. MY OWNERS REP WHO HELPED ME REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD , IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNERS WERE KICKED OUT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION . THAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING , AT LEAST AT THIS POINT. I DO NOT THINK DUES HAVE BEEN PAID , TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND THEY WERE NOT A PART OF THE H AWAY ANYMORE.

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>> THANK YOU. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. THE SECOND COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY , THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE CHURCH TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECTS AT 146 STREET AND KERRY ROAD. FROM A COUNSEL PERSPECTIVE , WE KNOW FOR THE PROJECT OF HAZEL DALE AT 146 STREET , THERE IS A PUBLIC MEETING COMING UP. IT WILL BE 2026 BEFORE THAT PROJECT IS EVEN POSSIBLE . THE NEXT ONE WILL THEN BE GRAY AND THEN POSSIBLY CARRY . THAT IS LONG IN THE FUTURE I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND. I MET WITH THE HAMILTON COUNTY TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TODAY AT 2:00 ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME .

>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THAT IS A HAMILTON COUNTY HIGHWAY PROJECT NOT CITY OF CARMEL PROJECT.

>> CORRECT. IT IS A HAMILTON COUNTY PROJECT, NOT A CITY PROJECT. THANK YOU , JOSH AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE SUSPEND THE RULES SO WE CAN ACT

ON THIS TONIGHT. >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. I WILL PUT THAT ON THE TABLE FOR A MOMENT.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT OR MAYBE A QUESTION.

PETITIONER MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER. FOR A HOT MINUTE, I WAS DOWN IN THE WEEDS WONDERING WHY THE DRIVEWAY COMES IN AND SWINGS TO THE WEST. I CAN SEE TO FOOT NON-ACCESS EASEMENT , IS THAT GOING TO BE EXTINGUISHED ? IS THAT PROBLEMATIC WITH REGARDS TO THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY ? I GUESS I WILL LOOK FOR AN ANSWER THERE. I AM GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. IT LOOKS NICER WHAT HAS BEEN THERE. I COMPLEMENT THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE LOOK AND THE USE , I AM SUPPORTIVE OF IT. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PIECE IS PUZZLING HOW IT WRAPS AROUND THE BUILDING I QUESTION HOW ARE NOTES SAY IT MEETS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK BUT MAYBE THERE IS ADDITIONAL EXPLANATION YOU CAN OFFER. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS OF STORMWATER AND THINGS THAT ARE WORKING OUT FOR ENGINEERING. MY VOTE IS TO SEND IT TO COMMITTEE AND SENDING IT THERE SO I WILL PROBABLY SAY NO TO THE RULES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER MINNAAR ASKED THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK. THANK YOU FOR THAT. GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE. I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS INVESTING AND CARMEL AND IMPROVING THIS BUILDING AND SPACE AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR FAMILY IS CLOSE AND CONTINUES TO LIVE HERE, WORK HERE, PLAY HERE AND THRIVE HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS TAKEN FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER. THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED IN AS THEY EXIST TODAY. OR MANY YEARS AGO

. >> ONE QUICK QUESTION. I THINK THIS IS GREAT. AS EVERYONE SAID , I APPRECIATE TAKING SOMETHING THAT IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF REPAIR AND MAKING IT LOOK GREAT. I APPRECIATE THIS. JUST A SMALL QUESTION. I'M THINKING OF YOU LIONS TELL WHEN YOU SAVE MEDICARE I'M THINKING MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PLANS AND THAT TYPE. OKAY . I'M THINKING THE AGE OF THE CLIENTS. DO YOU HAVE RAMPS? IS IT ACCESSIBLE? CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT SORT OF ACCESSIBILITY IS YOU HAVE PUT IN THE

BUILDING? >> YES, ANDREW AGAIN. PART OF THE REASON WE WANTED TO DO THE ENTRANCE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING , WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, SORRY . I'M NOT GOOD WITH DIRECTIONS. THE CURRENT ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING IS NOT ACCESSIBLE, IT IS A SMALL SET OF STEPS. ON THE SIDE WE WILL HAVE RAMPS ACCESS TO GET IN FOR OLDER FOLKS AND OBVIOUSLY WIDE PATHWAYS THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO COME IN AND MEET WITH FOLKS

IN MY OFFICE. >> GREAT. THAT IS GREAT TO HEAR. LOOKING AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE THAT DID LOOK HARD TO NAVIGATE. IT'S GOOD TO KNOW YOU HAVE ANOTHER OPTION. THANK

YOU. >> ON YOUR PARKING AREA, I THINK I SEE THERE IS A HARD CURB ON THE WEST EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT . IF THERE IS ANY STORMWATER RUNOFF, IT WILL BE COLLECTED BY THAT CURB AND DIRECTED UNDERGROUND , THE

PROPERTY TO THE WEST? >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU. >> IT WAS THE AREA, I WANT TO

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>> THERE IS. THAT IS SHOWING WHERE THE STORM SEWER WOULD CONNECT INTO THE POND TO THE SOUTH. WE WOULD BE DOING CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THAT AREA TO EXTEND A NEW OUTLET PIPE TO THE POND FROM OUR SITE. ANY STORMWATER COLLECTED IN OUR PARKING LOT IS DISCHARGE THERE.

>> THAT IS WHAT FOLLOWS THE SENATOR EASEMENT ACROSS THE A TO A PROPERTY , OR YOUR PROPERTY?

>> IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THE SENATOR EASEMENT. IT OUTLETS TO A COMMON AREA WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION . THAT IS WHAT THE POND IS IN. ON PAGE EIGHT , THE SITE PLAN , IT IS SHOWING A 10 FOOT WIDE SANITARY EASEMENT RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH . I GUESS THAT IS THROUGH THE H AWAY PROPERTY . THEN THERE IS A EAST-WEST LATERAL FOR THAT SAME EASEMENT. WHAT'S GOING ON

THERE? >> WHAT IS GOING ON THERE IS CARMEL UTILITIES HAS A SANITARY LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE EAST-WEST RIGHT THROUGH HERE. THERE IS AN EXISTING LATERAL TO OUR BUILDING THROUGH THIS EASEMENT. WE WILL BE ATTACHING TO THE EXISTING STUB TO THAT NAME. THAT IS WHAT THAT IS.

TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WE HOPE

. >> YES. ABSOLUTELY, YES.

>> SOMETIMES PEOPLE USE THE WORD SEWER AND STORM WATER AND NOT EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES AND CARMEL THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE

WORLDS . >> NOT EVERYWHERE BUT IN

CARMEL, YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP? >> A QUICK QUESTION. YOU TALKED EARLIER ABOUT BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES YOU ARE BRINGING TO THE SITE, I ASSUME YOU WILL HAVE GOOD AND PROPER TEMPORARY EROSION CONTROL MEASURES AS FAR AS SEDIMENT ENTERING THE POND AND HELPING TO ADDRESS CONCERNS WE HEARD ABOUT?

>> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE CASE. DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE WE WILL HAVE A FENCE SURROUNDING THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE ANYWHERE IT COULD DISCHARGE INTO THE EXISTING

POND. >> ONE MORE QUESTION FROM A STRUCTURE POINT. YOU SAID THAT THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY IS PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH RUNOFF INTO THE POND. I AM ASSUMING THAT IS

THE DUST? >> IT IS HARD TO SAY. IT CERTAINLY COULD BE PART OF THE ISSUE. WE DO NOT HAVE AN OBJECTIVE WAY TO MEASURE THAT. I WOULD SAY WHAT WE ARE DOING

IS IMPROVING. >> WITH PAVING THE DRIVEWAY

WILL CERTAINLY HELP . >> IT WILL , AS WELL AS THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION SYSTEM IT HAS CAPACITY TO LET SEDIMENT SETTLE OUT BEFORE IT IS RELEASED TO THE POND AND WE ARE INSTALLING A UNIT AS WELL AND IT DOES THE SAME THING. IT IS VERY EFFECTIVE AT GETTING SEDIMENT TO SETTLE OUT OF THE WATER BEFORE IT DISCHARGES. AS CARMEL REQUIRES, WE HAVE TWO

TREATMENT MEASURES. >> THANK YOU FOR THE

CLARIFICATION. MR. PRESIDENT. >> THANK YOU . THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SUSPEND RULES AND PROCEDURES SO WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THIS PETITION THIS EVENING ON THE TABLE. I WILL TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE AND ASK FOR A VOTE, ALL IN FAVOR OF SUSPENDING THE RULES ALL IN FAVOR, SAY "YEA" AYE .

>> I'LL POST. I HEAR EIGHT-ONE SUCCESSFUL VOTE TO SUSPEND THE

RULES. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVED TO APPROVE DOCKET NUMBER PC 2024-0069 SENIOR INSURANCE

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APPROVALS. >> YANKEE. ALL A FAVOR SAY AYE

. >> MOTION PASSES. APPROVED .

[1. Docket No. PZ-2024-00070 ADLS: Tru Hotel.]

THANK YOU . >> FINALLY , TONIGHT. THE DOCKET UNDER NEW BUSINESS. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING AID DLS TRUE HOTEL, APPLICANT SEEKS DESIGN APPROVAL FOR A HOTEL I 1.13 ACRES. DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL WAS GRANTED UNDER DOCKET NUMBER 1906 0018 AND USE A VARIANCE APPROVAL WAS GRANTED UNDER 18 050007 . SITE IS LOCATED AT 12164 MERIDIAN STREET. IT IS ZONED. PETITION WAS FILED BY OWNER OF DORA HOTEL GROUP. IT LOOKS LIKE MURRAY CLARK IS HERE TO PRESENT FOR PETITIONER . WELCOME BACK .

>> THANK YOU AGAIN . MY NAME IS MURRAY CLARK I AM AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM WITH OFFICES AT 600 EAST 96 STREET WITH ME TODAY IS THE PRESIDENT OF DORA HOSPITALITY GROUP AND ALSO NATHAN WINSLOW FROM STRUCTURE POINT. WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE BILL NICHOLS AND THE OWNERS AND LEADERS OF RITZ CHARLES TO ASK QUESTIONS OR SPEAK AS APPROPRIATE . IT IS IRONIC THAT WE ARE UNDER NEW BUSINESS . THIS IS NOT NEW TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WHO SERVED A YEAR AGO. THERE HOSPITALITY DOES SEEK ADLS APPROVAL FOR THE HOTEL LOCATED IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF , AND 121 64 NORTH MERIDIAN STREET , THAT IS SOUTH OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. IT WAS RECENTLY DEVELOPED THERE AS WELL. AS THE PRESIDENT SAID , DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL AND USE OF VARIANCE WERE APPROVED WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT SEVERAL YEARS AGO IN OUR DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE APPROVALS . PRIOR A DLS PETITION WAS SUBMITTED IN 2022 AND DENIED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON MAY 16 2023.

AFTER SEVERAL HEARINGS BEFORE YOUR COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE . WE APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT COMMISSION MEMBERS SPENT . AS MENTIONED IN YOUR DEPARTMENT REPORT AND PRESENTATION MATERIALS SIGNIFICANT AND SUBSTANTIAL DESIGN A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AS REFLECTED IN THE CURRENT SUBMITTAL AND PLANS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT . IN THE YEAR SINCE OUR LAST HEARING WE HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH RACHEL AND STAFF TO ACHIEVE APPROPRIATE CHANGES SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING YOUR PRIOR CONCERNS OF THIS COMMISSION AND THE CONCERNS OF THE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. IN OUR MATERIALS, I PUT UP HERE THE FIRST PAGE OF THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY IT LISTS 15 CHANGES IT IS PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT. WE HAVE MADE SEVERAL CHANGES AND I WILL DEFER IN A SECOND FOR SOME CONTEXT AND NATHAN WINSLOW FOR THE CHANGES. CHANGE NUMBER ONE WE INCREASE THE TOTAL NUMBER PARKING SPACES BY 13 WHICH IS A NET INCREASE OF THREE SPACES FOR THOSE THAT WERE SET FORTH IN OUR PROOF DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WE DID SO BY RELOCATING THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND DROP OFF FROM THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOTEL TO THE NORTH SIDE. WE RETAINED ALL EXISTING PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING WE DESIGNED THE ROOFLINE TO PROVIDE A , HORIZONTALLY

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WE HAVE HAD A YEAR TO WAIT AND WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE APPROPRIATE CHANGES AS I MENTIONED. AGAIN, BEFORE I TURNED IT OVER, I DID WANT TO MENTION ONE OTHER ITEM MENTIONED IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH SCIENCE. WE DO PROPOSE ONE SIGN ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING IT IS A SIGN ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THERE IS ONE OTHER SIGN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS HOTEL . IT IS A SMALL INTEGRATED SIGN ALONG ILLINOIS STREET . THE BLADE SIGN IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEALT WITH IN SOME DETAIL AND RACHEL ACTUALLY DID SOME RESEARCH AND PROVIDED US WITH SOME BLADE SIGNS THAT SHE THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND THIS IS WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH. AGAIN WE APPRECIATE RACHEL'S TIME AND HER INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES REALLY RESULTED IN WHAT YOU SEE .

HOWEVER, WE WILL NEED A VARIANCE BECAUSE THE WIDTH OF THE BLADE SIGN IS GREATER IN THE FIVE FEET ALLOWED BY THE CANOPY. THERE IS THAT VARIANCE AS WELL. WITH THAT , FOR CONTEXT I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT PRESIDENT OF DORA HOSPITALITY .

>> GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. HE REALLY STOLE MY THUNDER AND WENT OVER EVERYTHING. I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF THE OVERALL INTENT OF THE DESIGN CHANGES .

WE LISTENED FROM THE LAST SESSION AND THEN WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND MADE CHANGES. COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, THE PROTOTYPES NEED TO BE MORE CARAMELIZED. WE REALLY TOOK THAT TO HEART AND BEEFED UP A LOT OF THE ELEVATIONS AND TONED DOWN THE COLORS AND INCREASE THE CANOPY SO IT IS MORE SUBSTANTIVE AND ADDED ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THE BIKE PARKING AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEEDED AND WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE OVERLYING PARKING DESIGN STRUCTURE TO BE MORE ACCOMMODATING. HOPEFULLY YOU WILL FIND ALL OF THAT TO

YOUR APPROVAL. >> NATHAN WINSLOW WITH AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT I AM PRESENTING THE CIVIL SIDE OF THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. A LOT OF FAMILIAR FACES FROM A YEAR AGO. I WANT TO REGURGITATE EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SET .

I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT PART OF THE COMMISSION . AS MURRAY MENTIONED THE SITE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THIS HOTEL , CURRENTLY IT IS A PAD READY SITE , IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN INTENDED FOR THAT. AS MURRAY MENTIONED TO THE NORTH OF THAT, EXCUSE ME IS THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL, FULLY OPERATIONAL AND YOU CANNOT REALLY SEE IT ON THIS PICTURE, BUT TO THE SOUTH IS THE RITZ CHARLES .

IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH. YOU CAN SEE THE PROXIMITY OF EVERYTHING IT IS VERY DENSE INTEGRATED CENTER. THERE IS A DETENTION POND, DRY DETENTION ON THE FRONTAGE RIGHTS THERE .

THAT IS PART OF A JOINT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS SO THEY SHARE IN THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF MAINTAINING THAT AND CAN BENEFIT FROM THE USEFULNESS. WE ARE ESSENTIALLY PLUGGING INTO THOSE. THIS IS ALL IN COMPLIANCE WITH CURRENT ORDINANCE WITH EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED RECENTLY . THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED . I WANT TO POINT OUT ONE EXHIBIT HERE HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF CHANGES, WE CAN ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT ON THIS AND RE-CENTER IT IF WE NEED TO. IS

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THERE WAY TO ZOOM OUT? >> CAN YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE,

PLEASE ? >> I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW CHANGES. THAT IS PERFECT RIGHT THERE. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW CHANGES THAT YOU SAW FROM THE LAST TIME WE CAME FORWARD UNTIL TODAY . THE GRAPHIC HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE IS WHAT WE SAW ABOUT A YEAR AGO . THE PARKING DROP OFF ON THE WEST FACE OF THE BUILDING . AS A RESULT OF THAT WE LOST A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PARKING THAT WAS DESIGNED TO BE ON THAT SIDE AN INCREASE IN THE PARKING ON THE NORTH BUT IT FELL SHORT OF WHAT WAS GENERALLY APPROVED . WHAT WE HAVE DONE THIS GO AROUND AS MENTIOND WITH THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT IS WHERE THE DROP OFF IS. IT SHORTENED THE PARKING HERE A LITTLE BIT , HOWEVER, WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE PARKING THAT WAS APPROVED AND DESIGNED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. YOU WILL NOTICE , IF YOU GO OUT TODAY THERE IS A CONCRETE PATH FOR A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. WE ARE MAINTAINING THAT AND ADDING A CLOSURE SO THAT YOU ARE NOT SEEING ALL OF THE TRASH AND DEBRIS GREAT IT WILL BE FULLY CONCEALED , THIS IS MUCH MORE IN LINE WITH THE ORIGINAL DP . AS WE MENTIONED THERE IS AN ADDITION OF 13 PARKING SPACES , THE DESIGN TODAY THAT YOUR SIN COMPARED TO WHAT YOU SAW A YEAR AGO . WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH QUESTIONS.

>> GIVE ME ONE SECOND . LET ME PULL OUT -- THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME OF THAT. IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE FROM THIS IMAGE , I'M TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW ITEMS THAT VINCE TALK ABOUT, TRYING TO COMPARE THE RENDERINGS WITH SOME OF THE RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE TODAY PRINT WHAT IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE I WILL SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, WHAT IS ON THE LEFT SIDE IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED PRINT WHAT WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS WHAT IS COMING TODAY AS YOU NOTICE THE COLORS ARE MORE NEW MUTED AND SUBDUED AS LIKE LAST TIME CARAMELIZED, HIGHLIGHTED THE MONUMENT BLADE SIGN RATHER THAN BE ALONG U.S. 31, THAT IS THE ONLY SIGNAGE THAT HAS THE INTEGRATED MONUMENT SIGN THAT EXISTS TODAY. THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY SIGNAGE. A LITTLE BIT ON THE LIGHTING, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW LIGHTING IN THE PARKING LOT THERE MIGHT BE SOME LIGHTING AT THE TOP OF THE BUILDING AND AROUND THE BASE OF THE BUILDING AND A COUPLE OF LIGHTS SHINING ON THAT RATHER THAN A BUNCH OF WALL PACKS WE ARE USING LIGHTED BOLLARDS TO HELP ILLUMINATE PATHWAYS FOR VISITORS. YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF ELEVATION . LET ME SLIDE THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT SO YOU CAN GRASP. THE COLORS ARE MUCH MORE MUTED THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY . I THINK ONE OF THE BIG GRIPES THAT WE HEARD IN THE FIRST GO AROUND WITH THE BRIGHT BLUE AND YELLOW AND PURPLE . THIS IS MUCH MORE EARTHY TONES AS A RESULT AND IT FITS WITH THE CHARACTER IN THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA. WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER.

>> THANK YOU . MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON

THIS. >> THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC

HEARING. >> THAT'S RIGHT. I WAS JUST GOING TO EXPLAIN THAT TO THEM. WRONG NIGHT.

>> LET'S GO TO THE DEPARTMENT.

>> THANK YOU. I AM STILL HERE. WE DO HAVE THE TRUE HOTEL BACK TONIGHT AFTER A YEAR WAITING PERIOD FROM THE PREVIOUS MIDDLE . THIS ONE DOES HAVE PREVIOUS THE VARIANCES THAT ARE STILL IN EFFECT BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT CONTINUOUSLY SINCE THOSE YEARS . THAT IS WHY THEY ARE STILL IN EFFECT. ONE OF THEM IS FOR THE USE OF VARIANCE FOR IT NOT

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IT WILL JUST BE THE WASH OF COLOR , WASH OF LIGHT FROM THE BASE LIGHTS AT THE BASE OF THE BUILDING OR LITTLE BIT FROM THE TOP. JUST BECAUSE IT HAS A BUNCH OF COLOR DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL BE ALL LIT UP. ONE OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WAS THE VEHICULAR CANOPY AROUND THE ENTRANCE. THEY WERE BOTH MADE LARGER TO BE MORE SUBSTANTIAL , THEY LOOKED LIKE STICK FIGURES TO ME. THEY WERE VERY SMALL COMPARED TO THE BUILDING. THEY ALSO ADDED ONE ON THE EAST FACE OF THE BUILDING UNDERNEATH THE SIGNED SCULPTURE THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR THAT ENTRANCE AND ALSO IDENTIFY IT AS A ENTRANCE. THERE IS A SIDEWALK ALONG THAT SPACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND GO , ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE WALKING OVER TO THE RITZ CHARLES NEXT DOOR, IT WILL BE A SPACE FOR THEM TO GO INTO THE BUILDING UNDER COVER SO THAT WILL BE NICE. TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNAGE A LITTLE BIT , ON THE 31 SIDE , WE REALLY WANTED TO HAVE A ARTISTIC FEATURE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. WE DID FIND A LOT OF INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES , OTHER TRUE HOTELS WHO HAD REALLY COOL ART INSTALLATIONS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILING. I TRIED TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO AFTER THAT KIND OF A FEEL AND THEY CAME BACK WITH THIS BLADE SIGN, SO TO SPEAK . IT IS LIKE A CUT OUT METAL THAT IS NOT COMPLETELY ENCLOSED AND IT WILL LOOK VERY INTERESTING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. BECAUSE IT HOLDS THE SIGN , THE WHOLE STRUCTURE IS CONSIDERED A SIGN . WE DON'T THINK OF IT IN THE TYPICAL BLADE SIGN , RECTANGULAR FASHION AND THAT IS WHERE THE LIMIT COMES IN ON THE WITH IT CAN BE FROM THE BUILDING. IT IS TYPICALLY LIMITED TO FIVE FEET PROJECTION FROM THE BUILDING. THAT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THE

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PROJECT DOCS . >> THANK YOU. DISCUSSION ?

>> AS THE CHAIR OF THE PREVIOUS COMMITTEE I AM CLIENT INCLINED TO SAY THIS IS REAL FAR AWAY FROM WHERE WE WERE BEFORE. I THINK IT IS EVIDENT THAT THE PETITIONER AND STAFF WORKED HARD TO ESTABLISH ACCOMPLISH WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS DISAPPOINTED BY, CONCERNED ABOUT . I'M USING MORE WORDS THAN I NEED. THIS IS A GOOD CALL.

>> ADAM. >> PAGE 19 . THE NIGHT SHOTS, ARE WE LOOKING AT LED FUTURE TOWARDS THE TOP ? IS THAT WHAT I AM NOTICING ? IS THAT A LED FEATURE? IF SO , IS IT NEEDED?

>> THE ONE THING I CAN ADD IS , AS LONG AS THE LIGHTING IS COMPLETELY CONCEALED , IT IS NOT AGAINST THE ORDINANCE TO HAVE A LIGHT FEATURE LIKE THIS ON THE BUILDING.

>> PULL IT UP SO WE ARE ALL TALKING APPLES TO APPLES.

>> WE WERE HITTING THE BUTTONS AND PUSHING THE KNOBS.

>> I APOLOGIZE I WAS TRYING TO FIND THE IMAGE, YOUR QUESTION WAS RELATING TO THE LIGHTING . I BELIEVE THOSE ARE LED IN NATURE. THE IDEA IS IT ADDS A NICE LITTLE FEATURE . I WOULD SAY IT IS A ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT. ISN'T ULTIMATELY REQUIRED ? I WOULD ARGUE NOTHING IS REQUIRED , BUT IT DOES HAVE A NICE , THAT IT ACCENTS THE ROOF. IT IS NOT INTENDED TO ILLUMINATE DOWN TO THE GROUND, IT IS NOT MEANT TO BLIND THE NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST.

>> I WILL JUST CHIME IN. TWO BUILDINGS TO THE NORTH HAVE A LIGHT FEATURE THAT IS EITHER ARCHITECTURE , I GUESS YOU CAN

CALL IT ARCHITECTURAL . >> ON THE EAST ELEVATION, THE CANOPY EXTENSION AT THAT ENTRANCE, WHAT IS THE CLEARANCE ALONG THAT SIDEWALK OR THROUGH THAT SIDEWALK WHEN YOU TAKE OUT THE SPACE OCCUPIED BY THE TWO COLUMNS ?

>> I CAN TRY TO HIGHLIGHT IT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS

SMALL CANOPY ? >> EXACTLY. THERE IS A SIDEWALK RUNS ALONG THAT CLOSE TO THE BUILDING.

>> I WOULD HAVE TO GET IN TO CONFIRM THAT BUT IT WOULD BE

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>> I'M THINKING GUESS COMING OUT WITH THE LUGGAGE CART AND THE KIDS HAVE TO PUSH THE LUGGAGE CART. MAKING SURE THERE

IS AMPLE CLEARANCE THERE. >> WE TALK ABOUT THE WORK THAT DID TALKING ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE FOR THE TWO HOTELS?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN ? MY QUESTION WOULD MIRROR YOURS SO I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT. MY CONCERN REMAINS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING.

WHEN RITZ HAS A BIG EVENT. I HAVE HAD TO PARK AT THE IU NORTH AND WALKED DOWN TO IT I WAS GLAD TO SEE A PARKING GARAGE WAS DISCUSSED I JUST WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ONTO YOURS.

IS THAT INDEED A POSSIBILITY AT SOME POINT?

>> I WOULD SAY ANYTHING IS A POSSIBILITY. WE DID HAVE A PARKING STUDY DONE , IT IS NOT 100% COMPLETE AND THAT IT IS STILL DRAFT FORM . WE DID HAVE A PARKING STUDY DONE AND I DID INCLUDE THE FINDINGS IN THE PRIMARY REPORT . I WOULD SAY THAT PERHAPS THE MOST OBVIOUS SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM OF NOT ENOUGH PARKING FOR THOSE EVENTS IS A PARKING GARAGE. SHE DID FIND THAT THE PARKING , THAT THE PARKING NEEDS WILL ONLY GROW AS THE RITZ BUSINESS GROWS . THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS THAT HAPPEN WHERE THERE ARE MANY, MANY PEOPLE COULD PROBABLY STILL NEED MANY MORE PARKING SPACES . I THINK SHE SAID 400 TO 600 PARKING SPACES . IF WE ARE REALLY GOING TO FULLY TAKE CARE OF THOSE DAYS WHEN THAT IS A PROBLEM . THE SOLUTIONS THAT SHE OFFERED WERE , OBVIOUSLY PARKING GARAGE , OR NO PARKING GARAGE AND YOU FIND OTHER WAYS TO GET PEOPLE TO THE BUILDING THAT IS HAVING THE EVENT. OR ASSISTANT FUNDING A PARKING GARAGE AND THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE FOR THE CITY AND THE RITZ TO GO INTO AN AGREEMENT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THERE WERE TALKS OF OTHER NON-PARKING SOLUTIONS WHICH WOULD BE COORDINATING WHEN EVENTS ARE BEING HELD AND WORK ON AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER PARCELS IN THE AREA WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. SHE EVEN MENTIONED A MONITORING SYSTEM FOR THE HOTELS TO BE ABLE TO USE SHARED SPACES DURING THAT TIME . THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT SHE DID NOT MENTION LIKE SHUTTLES , OR ON STREET PARKING COULD BE CONSTRUCTED, OR , ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HYATT BETWEEN THE HYATT AND THE IU HEALTH , THERE IS THE EASEMENT THERE THAT IS FLAT, COULD WE PERHAPS BUILD A LOT OF THERE WITH PARKING ? A LOT OF IDEAS THAT WERE NOT VETTED AND PUT INTO THIS REPORT. THE REPORT TOLD US WHAT WE KNEW IS THAT , THEY HAVE A NEED FOR EXCESS PARKING ON CERTAIN EVENT DATES .

>> BUT NO SOLUTION . >> SOLUTION IDEAS WERE GIVEN , BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A SOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN DECIDED ON OR ONE

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INTO THE NEIGHBORING PARCEL. >>

>> I WANT TO GET THE NUMBER RIGHT. 151 SPACES IS WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES FOR THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND THE NUMBER OF

ROOMS . >> CORRECT .

>> THE SITE THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING HAS 138 SPACES ON THE SITE ITSELF AND THAT WOULD BE 13 SPACES LEFT TO BORROW FROM THE RITZ .

>> THIS THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION -- EVERY AERIAL PHOTO I LOOK AT FOR THIS SITE SHOWS ANYWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT AND 17 TRUCKS FROM THE RITZ PARKED ON SITE, SOME AT THE LOADING AREA AND SOME AT THE LOT.

>> MY MATH IS THEY OCCUPY 56 SPOTS .

>> THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING. NOT TO MENTION THE MANEUVERABILITY . THEY HAVE TO SWING WIDE TO GET OUT AND SOMEONE PARKS IN THE NEXT ROW. DID HER TRAFFIC NUMBERS TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE ARE OTHER USERS BESIDES PATRONS

AND EMPLOYEES ? >> YES.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?

>> GROW QUICKLY. A YEAR AGO YOU ASKED WHERE THE PARKING SPACES ARE LOCATED . WE DID PREPARE AN EXHIBIT . THIS IS THE INTEGRATED PART OF IT. THIS IS THE HOTEL, IT IS IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE RICH CHARLTON SPACES IS ONLY IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE INTEGRATED PARCELS . I THINK WE COUNTED, THOSE DO NOT INCLUDE DIAGONAL SPOTS ON THE FAR WEST WHICH I THINK ARE YOUR MARKER , IF I'M WRONG THEY WILL LET ME KNOW. THAT IS KIND OF WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED . I WOULD JUST SAY , MY THOUGHT , I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, I THINK IT CONFIRMS WHAT WE HAVE SAID ALL ALONG, DESPITE COMMISSIONER BUTLER'S EXPERIENCE , THAT IT IS ON A RARE OCCASION , A FEW DAYS A YEAR WHEN IT BECOMES A LARGE PROBLEM . I WOULD ALSO NOTE THATTHE ORDINANCE SEEMS TO CONTEMPLATE SHARED PARKING IT IS SPECIFICALLY AND EXPRESSLY ALLOWS FOR OFF-SITE PARKING IN THIS TYPE OF ADVANCED DEVELOPMENT . AGAIN , FOLKS IN THE , ARE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ARRANGEMENT. IT IS LIMITED IN TERMS OF THE EXACT PARKING SPOTS THAT CAN BE UTILIZED BY THE INTEGRATIVE DEVELOPMENT .

THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE COMFORTABLE AND IT WILL

WORK. >> I APPRECIATE THAT

>> ADJACENT HOME OWNERS AND RESIDENTS OF CARMEL WILL NOT BE INCONVENIENCED IT WILL BE IU TO THE SOUTH ARE THE TWO BUILDINGS TO THE NORTH. I THINK THAT IS BETTER THAN HOMEOWNERS OUR SUBDIVISION FINDING THEY HAVE CARS PARKED IN THE CUL-DE-SAC BECAUSE THE ADJACENT BUSINESS DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH. IT IS FAR FROM A PERFECT SOLUTION IT DOES GIVE ME SOME COMFORT THAT THE

DAMAGE COULD BE LIMITED >> RESPECTFULLY. YOU GUYS

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>> I TOTALLY AGREE. THAT IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS THAT IS WHERE THE CITY USES ITS CLOUT AND BENEFICIARIES OF A PILOT ARE BROUGHT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION. I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE GOT TO THE NORTH. I THINK WE HAVE PILOTS IN PLACE WITH BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS. IT IS ABOUT COOPERATION . ALL OF THOSE SPACES ON EITHER SIDE, NORTH AND SOUTH ARE VERY EMPTY AT THE TIMES OF PEAK NEED FOR ALL THREE BUSINESSES. IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT TOURISM CARMEL AND SUPPORT LONGTIME BUSINESSES IN CARMEL AND ALL OF THE BUSINESSES BENEFIT FROM THAT ACTIVITY NEED TO RALLY TOGETHER AND COOPERATE RATHER THAN MINE IS MINE AND YOURS IS YOURS I AGREE I THINK

WE WILL GET TO THAT POINT >> YOU CAN COME UP TO THE

MICROPHONE >> HELLO. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND EVERYTHING YOU DO IN CARMEL. WE ARE AN AWESOME COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED. WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF CHANGES IN THE PAST. I JUST WANT TO REASSURE YOU AND I HEAR YOU ON CONCERN OF THE PARKING. AS HONEST AS I CAN BE , I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WATCHING IT GO FROM DEAR RUNNING ON FRONTAGE ROAD TO WATCHING EVERYTHING AROUND US 40 YEARS LATER , I HAVE HEARD THE REFERRAL THAT THERE ARE A FEW DAYS. TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS I CAN POINT TO LESS THAN PROBABLY 10 WHERE I THINK YOU HAVE A PARKING ISSUE AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL CALL SHORT-TERM THAT MAKE A LOT OF SENSE IS , THESE PROPERTIES AND BUSINESSES KIND OF COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER , HOTELS AND RITZ CHARLES REQUIRE THE SAME FRIDAY, SATURDAY ACTIVITY. THE REST OF THE WEEK AND THE MAJORITY OF THE YEAR THOSE PRESSURE POINTS ARE NOT EXPOSED. ON TOP OF IT , I KNOW THE PARKING STUDY DID NOT END 100%. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER OPTIONS, PART OF IT WAS LATERAL PARKING , WHAT I WILL CALL THE OLD FRONTAGE ROAD. THE AREA THAT WE SPOKE OF THAT WAS THE SOUTH SECTION OF RITZ CHARLES LOTT THAT DEADENS INTO THE HOSPITAL WHAT'S , THERE WERE TWO OR THREE PLOTS THAT COULD BE WORKED IN CONJUNCTION.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I THINK THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS FOR WHAT I CALL FIVE, TENURE GROWTH EVOLUTION YES, WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE GROWN THE COMPANY OVER 40 YEARS. I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE MOON WITH THAT COMPANY BECAUSE MY KIDS NETWORK THERE AND I HOPE THAT THEY CAN DO THE SAME THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE. IF THAT IS THE CASE. I WOULD LOVE TO ENTERTAIN THE TOPIC CALLED A PARKING GARAGE SOME DAY. I THINK THAT IS THE PATH THAT CARMEL IS ON. I KNOW THAT IS OUR NEXT MOVEMENT. I JUST THINK THAT BETTER THAN GETTING A LOG JAM, I THINK YOU CAN CAN UNDERSTAND IF THAT STUDY GETS RELEASED OR FINISHED THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT CAN CREATE WHAT I CALL, I WOULD SAY 80 TO 100 SPACES THAT HELP THAT.

THERE WERE SOME OPTIONS OF TAKING THAT CHUNK OF WOODS AND MAKING IT PARKING AND YOU CAN OPEN UP THAT WHOLE , YOU TALK ABOUT THE TRUCKS GETTING IN AND OUT AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I THINK THERE WERE SHORT-TERM OPTIONS. I DO NOT THINK IT WILL BE A LANDSLIDE OR A OH MY GOSH MOMENT. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT VINCE AND THE LAST THING I WILL SAY IRONICALLY, WE MET WITH ROBBIE , WHO HAS THE PRODUCT SOUTH OF US. WE WERE IN CONJUNCTION AND TALKING PRIOR TO ROBBIE. FOR

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>> AS A PERSONAL NOTE, I STILL DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SET A TABLE.

>> THAT'S AWESOME . >> I DON'T WANT TO KEEP GOING ON THE PARKING ISSUE. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE CHANGES YOU MADE, THIS IS A DRASTIC IMPROVEMENT FROM THE LAST TIME.

I REALLY THINK IT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT THE PARKING ISSUE. YOU HAVE THOSE EVENTS AND THERE ARE CERTAIN DAYS WHERE YOU KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF PARKING AND I AM GUESSING IT IS A PROBLEM REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE HOTEL IS THERE OR NOT. ON THOSE DAYS IT IS A PARKING PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT. FOR THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE FIGURED OUT A PARKING SOLUTION FOR YOUR HOTEL WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DID NOT HAVE THE LAST TIME. ON THE RITZ CHARLES SHARED PARKING, ARE THESE GOING TO BE LABELED? HOW ARE THE GUESTS GOING TO KNOW THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN PARK

>> RIGHT NOW MY ONLY EXPERIENCE UNSHARED PARKING FOR THE CORNERSTONE PROJECT WHICH I TALKED TO THEM TODAY AND THEY WANTED ME TO EXTEND THAT THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT AS WELL. THEY BELIEVE AFTER THE REFINEMENT OVER THE PAST YEAR THAT PARKING IS GOING TO BE OKAY AND WE WILL ALL COEXIST IN HARMONY AND THEY ALSO SAID GOING BACK TO THE SOUTH END OF THE LOT WHERE WE COEXISTED WITH THE OTHER HOTEL FOR A WHILE , WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS PUT SIGNAGE UP. TO BE HONEST , I AM NOT THAT IMPRESSED WITH THE SIGNAGE . IT DOES NOT LOOK . I IMPROVED. THEY HAVE A FEW SIGNS THAT INDICATE HIGH IT PARKING .

THIS WAS DONE IN THE STUDY. I BELIEVE, WHAT WAS THE FIRST NAME? I THINK SHE HAD SOMEONE FROM HER OFFICE ACTUALLY DO WHAT I CALL SITE VISITS AT VARIOUS TIMES OF DAY. WHAT THEY DETERMINED , DID REAFFIRM THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME THERE IS REALLY NO PARKING ISSUE AND I WILL TAKE YOU BACK TO ILLINOIS STREET NOT BEING THERE AND A BUNCH OF PONDS BEING THERE. I WILL NEVER FORGET CHUCK WAS THERE THINK WE ARE GETTING READY TO PUT A PARKING GARAGE IN AND I SAID WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REX I SAID THE CITY WILL DO THIS IN THIS. I SAID , THAT SEEMS SILLY. HE SAID WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? I SAID , THIS IS WHEN THERE WAS ANOTHER HUNDRED CLOSE TO 200 SLOTS. WE DON'T USE THOSE, MOST OF THE TIME WE'RE WEED WHACKING THE WEEDS. HE SAID WHAT YOU THINK? I TOLD HIM THE TRUTH I DID NOT THINK IT WAS NECESSARY. HE DID NOT NEED IT THEN AND OBVIOUSLY HERE WE ARE. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE DID NOT NEED IT THEN AND I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS IMPERATIVE. I THINK WE CAN WORK IN HARMONY WITH OTHER BUSINESSES. I THINK IT IS GREAT GROWTH IN THE CORRIDOR. IF WE ARE ALL COMMITTED, AS YOU POINTED OUT AND WE ARE ALL THIS IS PEOPLE, WE WILL FIND A WAY WITH THE CITY'S HELP TO GET

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>> IT IS GREAT TO KNOW YOU ARE WILLING TO WORK TOGETHER. THANK

YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN .

>> JUST DITTO. THE DESIGN IS SO MUCH BETTER. THE FACT THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THE PARKING ISSUES AND YOU'RE GOING TO WORK ON IT IN THE FUTURE I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT. THE RECOMMENDATION

FROM STAFF IS TO -- >> APPROVED TONIGHT.

>> WITH THOSE COMMENTS I MOVED TO APPROVE DOCKET PC TO SELL 24 THE HOTEL. SUBJECT TO THE VARIANCE OF THE ARTISTIC SHINE.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> THANK YOU BOTH. IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.

MOTION CARRIES . IT IS APPROVED.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD NAME ONE OF THE ROOMS

THE LEO ROOM. >> OR HE GETS A PARKING SPACE.

>> EVEN BETTER.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.