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>>> WE ARE CALLING THIS MEETING OF THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL , JULY 1ST, 2024, TO ORDER. CAN I GET A MOTION PLEASE VOTE.
MOVING ON , TO THE INVOCATION, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME SOMEONE FROM THE FOUNDATION TO LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION TONIGHT.
>> IN THE NAME OF GOD, I PRAY. MERCIFUL AND COMPASSIONATE GOD.
YOU ARE THE KIND, LOVING, GENEROUS, THE ONE WHO GUIDES, THE ONE WHO FAVORS, THE ONE WHO BESTOWS FAVOR, I ASK YOU TO BLESS THIS COUNCIL , WORK WITH THEM, FAVOR THEM, GUIDE THEM, HELP THEM TO ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION WITH ONE ANOTHER. REMIND THEM, LORD, WE ARE ALL NEIGHBORS, PROVIDE THEM THE MEANS TO SERVE AND PROTECT FAIRLY AND JUSTLY. MAKE THEM GROW TOGETHER AS ONE UNITED GROUP AND HELP THEM TO FACILITATE THESE AS THEY NURTURE THE BONDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, PROVIDE THEM THE FORESIGHT TO WHICH THEY PLAN THE BETTER MINUTE OF US ALL, PROVIDE THEM WITH THE COURAGE TO LISTEN, THE COURAGE TO DISCUSS, AND TO DISCUSS ALL POSSIBILITIES OF SERVICE. DISCERN WHAT IS GOOD , ACCURATE, FAIR, AND JUST , MAKE THEM WORK FOR THE GOOD OF OTHERS ALL , AND NOT ONLY FOR THE GOOD OF SOME, DESPITE OTHERS, LET THEM REMEMBER THE DUTY TO EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND REMOVE FROM THEIR HEARTS, ANY PREJUDICE, GUIDE THEM TO ENGAGE WITH OTHERS IN YOUR SERVICE. AND TO DO THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR US ALL, THE WORK THAT PLEASES YOU, PROVIDE THEM WITH THE MEANS AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO GOOD FOR THE SAKE OF DOING GOOD. TO HELP, FOR THE SAKE OF HELPING, TO SERVE FOR THE SAKE OF SERVING. HELP THEM HONOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY. ALL OF THIS, WE SEEK
YOUR RACE, AND MERCY, AMEN. >> THANK YOU, NEXT, PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. WE WILL BE LEAD FOR THE PRESENCE -- PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> NICE JOB , YOU EVEN SPOKEN TO THE MICROPHONE TO CARRY ALL
[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]
OF US. MOVING ON TO ITEM 5, RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND UPSTANDING CITIZENS. THERE ARE NONE. NUMBER SIX, RECOGNITIONS OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL. I HAVE TWO BLUE CARDS. I THINK THAT INDIVIDUALS KNOW THE DRILL. BUT COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE MAKE SURE, IF YOU CAN HELP THEM, MAKE SURE THAT THE RED BUTTON IS ON SO THAT THEY CAN SPEAK INTO IT, THERE WILL BE THREE LIGHTS, GREEN LIGHT, RED LIGHT, YELLOW LIGHT, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, IT WILL GO TO THE RED LIGHT, THEN THE YELLOW LIGHT WILL COME ON FINISHING. AT THAT POINT, FINISH THE SENTENCE YOU ARE ON. AFTER WE FINISH THAT SENTENCE, WE WILL CUT OFF THE MICROPHONE, AND YOU WILL BE FINISHED. YOU KNOW THEDRILL. YOU CAN BEGIN. >> MY NINE -- NAME IS JOINED -- JOAN. I AM SPEAKING ON THE ORDINANCE THAT ESTABLISHES THE OUTDOOR REFRESHMENT AREA IN THE CORE OF THE CITY. I HOPE THAT THERE WILL BE TIME TO EXPLAIN THIS ORDINANCE TO THE PUBLIC. A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS ABOUT. THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE THEIR CONCERNS. AND I WANT TO KNOW HOW RESIDENTS WILL BENEFIT, THE RULES, HOW IT WILL WORK. AND I HAVE A MAP. ON THE MAP, THERE IS A MASSIVE PINK AREA , THAT
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IS FOR TOURISTS TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES TO DRINK OUTDOORS, AND CURRENTLY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ARE BANNED.BUT I UNDERSTAND THIS WOULD LEAD TO ANOTHER ORDINANCE, THAT COULD LEAD TO OUTDOOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON THE GREENWAY. AND THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE TALKED ABOUT VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. ORDINANCE 19 SAYS , ADMINISTERING THINGS IN AN ORDERLY AND INVITING FASHION , I WONDER HOW THAT WILL BE DONE.
THE CITY BELIEVES IT IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS TO ESTABLISH DECORUM, AND I WONDER HOW THAT WILL BENEFIT MOST OF THE RESIDENTS IN CARMEL. THE MAP IN BOUNDARIES ARE SEEN . I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LABELS OF THE STREETS AROUND THE PERIMETER AND WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NEAR THOSE, THE TIME OF OPERATION IS BLANK. AND IT SAYS A PERSON MAY NOT CONSUME ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SO I WONDER WHAT IS TO STOP A PERSON FROM KEEPING THE CUP AND USING IT AGAIN. AND NOW, IN LINE 99, THERE IS A LINE THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE RESIDENTS OF CARMEL THINK. I THINK THAT EVERYONE IS NOT DOING ENOUGH , IT IS NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO APPROVE IT, THANK YOU.
>> NEXT UP, WADE. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I AM NOT SURE HOW MUCH I CAN ADD TO THAT. I ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS A WEEK AND A HALF AGO. AND I HAVE SPOKEN ON FIVE OCCASIONS WITH GROUPS OF POLICE OFFICERS AROUND THE TRAIL, AND I AM A RESIDENT OF THE DISTRICT. MANY THINGS TO BE SOLVED. I THINK THIS IS AN INFORMAL IDENTIFICATION, AT LEAST FIVE POLICE OFFICER SAID THIS WOULD MAKE THEIR JOBS MORE DIFFICULT. AND THEY WERE CLEARLY OPPOSED TO IT. FOR ONE THING, I THINK IT IS KIND OF MORE FOR SPECIAL INTERESTS THAN RESIDENTS. NUMBER ONE, I CAN DRINK MY OWN PROPERTY. I AM OUTSIDE, RATHER THAN THE PROPOSED AREA. ANY RESIDENT, HOMEOWNER, LANDOVER -- LANDOWNER, OR COMMERCIAL COLIC CAN DRINK ON THEIR PROPERTY OR HAVE AN OPEN CONTAINER WITHOUT HARASSMENT OR BOTHER, AS LONG AS LAWS ARE NOT BROKEN FOR PUBLIC INTOXICATION AND SO FORTH, SO IT SEEMS TO BE, I KNOW THAT AT THE STATE LEVEL, THE ALLOWANCE FOR THIS PASSED A WHILE BACK. AND A DOZEN CITIES HAVE REALLY ENACTED IT, I DO NOT KNOW HOW RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THIS, IT SEEMS TO ME, I THINK THAT THREE BUSINESSES HAVE ALREADY PUT IN THEIR APPLICATIONS, IT IS ONLY TO BENEFIT COMMERCIAL INTERESTS AND I WONDER, AT A CERTAIN POINT, IF SOMEONE ON THEIR END IS THINKING, I CAN SELL MORE ALCOHOLIC DRINKS, PARDON ME. I WILL NOT HAVE TO HAVE BOUNCERS, AND I WILL NOT HAVE TO HAVE BOUNCERS OR BARTENDERS TRYING TO KEEP THE ORDER. I CAN LET THEM WANDER OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORING ENVIRONS , AND THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL HANDLE THAT.I WONDER WHAT THE MINDSET IS, AFTER THE TAVERN FIASCO OF THE LAST FEW YEARS, HOW THIS IS EVEN COMING UP , DO WE NOT REMEMBER THE COMPLAINTS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INTOXICATING BEVERAGES, MIXED WITH AREAS, WHERE WE HAVE SAID, WE WANT THESE TO BE FAMILY AREAS, I HAVE A DOG. THAT IS MY
[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]
CHILD. EVERY DAY THAT WE ARE OUT, I SEE FAMILIES, NUCLEAR FAMILIES, COUPLES, EVERYBODY OUT AND ABOUT. I JUST HAVE TOWONDER ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. >> MOVING ON, ITEM SEVEN ,
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COMMENTS, AND OBSERVATIONS, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL?RIGHT TO LEFT, THE MAYOR? >> MY NAME IS MR. FALKENSTEIN, AND I AM PRESENTING THE REPORT TONIGHT. ONE SWIMMING COACH WILL BE REMINDING THEM , THIS IS EXCITING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE DID A MEET AND REALLY -- GREAT, AND WE WILL BE ALSO DOING THE SAME WITH SOMEONE PARTICIPATING IN THE THIRD OLYMPICS , AND THE LEADERSHIP TEAM IS WORKING EXCEPTIONALLY HARD . ALONGSIDE MANY OTHER THINGS, WE ARE FINALIZING THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, UPDATING ALL BALANCES, REVIEWING ALL NON-FOR PROFIT INGREDIENTS AND INITIATING THE 311 PROGRAM, PARTNERING WITH YOU ON THE PROGRAM, SUPPORTING YOUR DUTY, EA OH , AND HIRING THREE EXECUTIVE LEADERS. THIS IS A LOT AT ONE TIME, THANK YOUR LEADERS IF YOU GET A CHANCE AND THE MAYOR WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THAT SUPPORT, AS WELL.
>> MAYOR? ANYTHING TO ADD? IT >> WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM AN UPDATE ON ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON, BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO SAY , THEY ARE WORKING HARD.
[8. CONSENT AGENDA]
>> THANK YOU, THANKS, THEN . MOVING ON TO ITEM 8, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR JUNE 17TH , 2024 EXECUTIVE SESSION, JUNE 17, 2024 REGULAR MEETING. CLAIMS , FOR GENERAL CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF PZ-2024-00052 SE AND ALSO JAMES DEAN ELLIS , FOR PURCHASE CARD AND FOR RETIREMENT, STRR DO I HAVE A MOTION? ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THE CONSENT
[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]
AGENDA IS APPROVED , NUMBER NINE , THERE ARE NO ACTIONS, ITEM 10, COMMITTEE REPORTS, FINANCE, UTILITY, AND RULES .>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, WE ARE GOING TO MEET AGAIN NEXT WEEK, NEXT TUESDAY, TO DISCUSS THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS ON OUR
AGENDA. >> LAND USE SPECIAL STUDIES,
COUNSELOR SNYDER? >> WE MET AND CONTINUED DISCUSSIONS. WE DISCUSSED THE NON-DWELLING ORDINANCE AND WE VOTED YOU ON HIS -- UNANIMOUSLY . WE DISCUSSED THE MERITS IN A GENERAL DISCUSSION, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WE STATED THAT WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING IT AGAIN , IN THE FOLLOWING MEETING. THAT IS , THAT IS THE NEXT TIME THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE DISCUSSION, AS YOU KNOW, IN OUR MEETINGS, ANYONE IS ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT THEY LIKE. EXCUSE ME. THAT IS IT.
>> THANK YOU, MOVING ON TO 11, WE HAVE ONE OF THE REPORT, IT IS A MONTHLY REPORT AND WE WILL BE HOLDING OFF ON THAT UNTIL
[12. OLD BUSINESS]
JULY 15TH , THE NEXT MEETING. MOVING ON, ITEM NUMBER 12, OLD BUSINESS, THE 13TH READING OF ORDINANCE D-2696-23 . AND THAT IS COUNSELOR WORRELL , AND COUNSELOR AASEN, THAT REMAINS IN COMMITTEE. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE Z-690-24 , AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING NON-DWELLING SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE-SPECIFIC STANDARDS AND DEFINITIONS IN THE UNIFIED[00:15:03]
DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, SPONSOR , COUNSELOR JEFF WORRELL AND COUNSELOR SNYDER. ALL RIGHT, WE WOULD LIKE TO , ADRIAN? THANKYOU. >> I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD. I PRESENTED INFORMATION ABOUT IT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE THIS PAST WEDNESDAY. AGAIN, JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE TO PROPOSE A NEW DEFINITION, STANDARDS AND APPROVAL PROCESS FOR WHAT WE ARE CALLING NON-DWELLING SHOT-TERM RENTALS, WHICH WOULD BE THE PRIVATE RESIDENCES , OFFERING POOLS, BACKYARDS, ACCESSORIES, BUILDINGS, OTHER FACILITIES , OFFERING THEM TO RENT ON AN HOURLY BASIS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROPOSED SOME STANDARDS, AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THOSE WITH THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE, SO WE HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. BUT, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE AT ALL TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION.
>> ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR AASEN ?
>> THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS FROM THE MIDI?
>> IT WAS UNANIMOUS. THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS?
>> THANK YOU, COUNSELOR SNYDER, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT A NUMBER OF COUNSELORS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR ALMOST 12 MONTHS, WITH DOCS AND A NUMBER OF HOAS WHO HAVE HAD SOME PROBLEMS, WITH DIFFERENT PARTS OF THEIR LAND , BEING USED FOR THEIR POOLS , OR WHATEVER. AND SO, DO WE HAVE, YEAH, COUNSELOR SNYDER ?
>> I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO PROBE A WRENCH IN THIS, THERE IS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THIS, OUR NONPROFITS EXEMPT FROM THIS? I COULD SEE A SCENARIO WHERE THERE ARE ESTATES THAT RENT OUT ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY , THAT WOULD NOT BE, I DO NOT THINK, PART OF THE INTENT OF THIS.
>> THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, IT WOULD APPLY . THE OWNER WOULD NEED TO APPLY FOR THE, FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION . WHETHER THAT IS A NONPROFIT OR NOT, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY EXEMPTIONS LISTED WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD , THAT
WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO SO. >> I DON'T WANT TO GIVE A SCENARIO, WHERE SOME OF THESE HOMES THAT DO A GREATER GOOD FOR MANY ORGANIZATIONS , THEY WIND UP IN A BIND , AT LEAST THE SPECIFIC ONES WHERE YOU DO NOT KNOW, IF THEY WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE, I MEAN GRANTED , I SUPPOSE THAT WE COULD MOVE ON, AND I THINK THAT WE COULD EVALUATE THAT.
>> DO THEY NORMALLY NEED TO GET THOSE PERMITS ANYWAY? I MEAN WHETHER IT IS A NONPROFIT? OR RESIDENTIAL?
>> YOU MEAN COUNCIL? I BELIEVE THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT , I BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO STILL GO FORWARD WITH THAT VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE, AND HAVE THAT PROBLEM , WITH IT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DR. JOSHI ?
>> I WANTED TO THANK CITY LEGAL FOR PUTTING FORTH A REALLY NICE PROCESS FOR PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH, AND APPLY FOR THIS, AND ALSO, BEING VERY MINDFUL, FOR THE IMPORTANCE , OF BEING SAFE, IN THE CITY, AND COMFORTABLE, THANK YOU.
>> COUNSELOR LOCKE, JUST READING THROUGH WITH THAT QUESTION, THERE ARE OPERATING HOURS THAT ARE REQUIRED, THERE
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WAS A SINGLE NON-DWELLING SHORT-TERM RENTAL IT SHOULD NOT EXCEED 10 INDIVIDUALS FOR THE STRUCTURE. SO, ULTIMATELY, I THINK THERE MAY BE AN APPLICATION ON A LARGER PROPERTY THAT MAY BE WORTH LOOKING AT.>> WE COULD PUT IT BACK IN LAND-USE.
>> I THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE THOSE. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP. I WOULD HATE TO SEE THEM NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR THAT TYPE OF USE . I THINK, IF WE SEND IT BACK TO LAND-USE, THAT WAS WHAT WE WOULD DO. OKAY. THAT IS IT
[13. NEW BUSINESS]
FOR OLD BUSINESS. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, THERE ARE NONE. MOVING TO NEW BUSINESS , WE HAVE PRETTY ORDINANCES. THE FIRST READING, D-2715-24 , ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, AMENDING CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 2-4 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE , SPONSOR, COUNSELOR AASEN. ALL RIGHT. COUNSELOR AASEN, THIS AMENDS THE BOARD OF PUBLIC WORKS AND SAFETY RULES. I THINK THAT SO, LEGAL CAN SPEAK TOSOME OF THIS. >> SAMANTHA CARNES, THE CORPORATION COUNCIL, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD AMEND THE COMPETITION TO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO HAVE A DESIGNEE, RATHER THAN HAVE TO ATTEND HERSELF, AND IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE NUMBER OF
COUNSELOR? >> I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS . I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WHY BEHIND THIS, WHAT IS THE REASON
THAT WE NEED THIS CHANGE? >> THESE MEETINGS ARE RELATIVELY FREQUENT, THEY CAN ALSO BE FAIRLY LONG, AND IT FREES UP THE MAYOR TO BE DOING ADDITIONAL WORK AND SHE IS ALREADY WELL AWARE A WORK -- OF THE AGENDA AND IT ALLOWS HER TO BE OUT DOING WHAT SHE OUGHT TO BE DOING, AND DOING SOMETHING THAT IS TRUSTED OF HER, AND TO BE ACTIVE IN THAT POSITION.
>> COUNSELOR TAYLOR WE >> SO IS THIS, WELL, I WASN'T VERY, FOR SURE. BASED ON THE LANGUAGE, SUGGESTED TO THE CHANGE OF THE CODE SECTION, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT COULD BE APPOINTED EACH TIME, OR A DESIGNEE COULD BE DESIGNATED BY THE MAYOR, AND THAT IS THE PERSON WHO COULD BE SERVING AS
THE DESIGNEE? >> THEY COULD APPOINT ONE PERSON, THAT IS THE PERSON WHO WOULD BE ROUTINELY AT THOSE MEETINGS. I THINK THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE CONTINUITY THAT IS
CURRENTLY THERE. >> THANK YOU . THAT IS WHAT I
WAS ASKING. >> THAT IS YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY, THAT IS CLEARLY IN THE AUTHORITY OF THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR JUST WANTS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN HAVING A DESIGNEE ATTEND THE NUMEROUS DESIGNEES . WITH THAT, I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION, OR WE CAN SEND IT TO COMMITTEE. WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES.
>> DO I HEAR A SECOND ? >> I MOVE TO THAT DISCUSSION.
PLEASE VOTE. >> 8-0 TO SUSPEND THE RULES, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS?
>> SECOND. >> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.
THAT IS APPROVED , MOVING ON TO THE SECOND ITEM, FIRST READING, THIS IS ORDINANCE D-2716-24, AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL , INDIANA AMENDING CHAPTER 5, ARTICLE
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ONE, SECTION 5-3 B 2 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE CAN I GET A>> CAN I GET A SECOND? >> SECOND.
>> READ THE SYNOPSIS. >> THIS IS PURSUANT TO INDIANA CODE , THAT IS INDIANA CODE ÷ 7.1-3-31.
>> ALL RIGHT, SAMANTHA CON? >> THIS ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW A DESIGNATED OUTDOOR REFRESHMENT AREA WITHIN THE CARMEL LIMITS, FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT IS , IT IS AN AREA THAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE LOCAL LEGISLATIVE BODY FOR EXEMPTION FROM CONTAINER LAWS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THERE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT TIME SPENT ON. SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR, THEIR OFFICE, AND I BELIEVE IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE THE MAP THAT WOULD CORRESPOND TO THE BOUNDARIES IN EXHIBIT B. THERE ARE A COUPLE SORRY, I WENT THE WRONG WAY.
THIS IS THE BOUNDARY THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IT IS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS YOU WILL SEE, RIGHT OVER HERE, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL AREA IS CLEAR, AS THERE ARE NO EVENTS, NO CELEBRATORY EVENTS TO BE HELD ON THAT SPACE. THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED ON WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE. THE FIRST WOULD BE THE APPROVAL OF THE SIGNS. THE APPROVAL OF THE CUPS AND THE ORDERING OF THE CUPS. WE ARE CONTINUING TO GET ADDITIONAL PERMITTEES , ONCE WE HAVE A FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE ATC, THE LIST OF PERMITTEES AT THAT POINT WOULD BE INCLUDED, ANY ADDITIONAL VENDORS OR PERMITTEES THAT WANTED TO BE PART OF IT , THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS TO BE INCLUDED AT A LATER DATE. AND ADDITIONALLY, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON THE TIMES , AND THE DAYS , THAT IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO BE OPEN, FINALLY, THE DOOR CONTAINERS THEMSELVES, THE ORDINANCE CALLS FOR NO GLASS. BUT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE ADDITIONAL INPUT ON WHAT THE TYPE OF CONTAINERS WOULD BE.
>> POINT OF ORDER, PRESIDENT ?
>> THE SPONSOR MUST INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE. WHAT ABUT THE
3-31, OR 3-33 ? >> ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO.
>> ALL RIGHT. >> I ALSO HAVE A COMMENT.
>> SO, NORTH CAROLINA HAS DOORS . OHIO HAS DOORS. I AGREE WITH MRS. MEISENHEIMER ABOUT THE COP ISSUE. THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO IMPLEMENT THIS THAN A DESIGNATED CUP. DIFFERENT BEVERAGES CALL FOR DIFFERENT CUPS. THEY HAVE A CITY-PROVIDED LABEL , PRINTABLE , THAT DESIGNATES THE DAY THAT THE LABEL WAS PRINTED. THE ORDINANCE FOR WHICH THE LABEL WAS PRINTED UNDER AND THAT IS A FIXED TO THE NON-GLASS RECEPTACLE, TO PROPERLY TRACK WHEN SOMEONE PURCHASES THE
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ORDER, AND THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO CARRY THE ITEM THROUGH THE DOOR. I WANT TO MAKE MENTION OF THAT, THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF AREAS, THEY HAVE A SIMILAR PROCESS. AND IF THIS DOES GET PASSED , WE NEED TO LOOK INTO DIFFERENT WAYS TO ALLOW BEVERAGES TO BE PURCHASED AND ALLOWED IN THE DOOR.>> IN THE ORDINANCE, IT SAYS THAT ANYBODY CAN APPLY FOR THE PERMIT. AND ALSO, THEY WILL JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS. WILL THERE BE A CAP , IS THERE A NUMBER REQUIRED BY STATUTE , I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW, ANYONE, WHO HAS AN ALCOHOL
PERMIT? >> I WANTED TO CLARIFY , IS IT
ANYONE? >> THEY NEED TO BE LISTED EITHER AS A PERMITTEE OR A VENDOR, THEY WOULD BE PART OF
THE DOOR. THERE IS. >> COUNSELOR AASEN ?
>> AS MANY OF YOU MIGHT KNOW, I OWNED A RESTAURANT ON MAIN STREET FOR 10 YEARS, THEY HAD LOTS OF FESTIVALS . AND THEY WOULD HAVE EVENTS, WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO TO A VENDOR, PURCHASE ALCOHOL, AND WALK AROUND, I, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, PAYING RENT, I WAS THERE 365 DAYS PER YEAR, UNLESS GOING THROUGH A LENGTHY PROCESS, I WAS NOT ABLE TO HAVE THE BENEFITS OF THE TEMPORARY VENDORS. AND WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO BRING IN WINE FROM OUTSIDE. A PROCESS LIKE THIS WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT AT THIS TIME, IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE MONEY FOR THE BUSINESS IS ALREADY INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY. WHICH PROBABLY WOULD REDUCE THE NEEDS FOR SOME OF THESE OUTSIDE VENDORS COMING IN FOR SOME OF THE VENDORS, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE SOME, BUT I THINK IT PROMOTES WALKABILITY AND WE HAVE RAISED CONCERNS, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN, IF INTOXICATED PEOPLE ARE WANDERING AROUND? IF YOU GO TO SUN KING IN MIDTOWN RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN BUY A CAN, AN ALUMINUM CAN OF BEER, TAKE IT OUT, WALK AROUND, YOU ARE TECHNICALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO WALK. BUT YOU CAN DO IT. YOU CAN BRING A BOTTLE OF WINE FROM HOME AND BE RIGHT THERE IN THE PLAZA. AND THAT IS, UNDER OUR RULES RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING ANYBODY FROM DOING THAT AT THE MOMENT. WHAT THEY ARE NOT DOING IS PURCHASING IT, FROM THE BUSINESS RIGHT NEXT DOOR OR THE SOCIAL CANTINA. I LOVE SOMETHING, BUT EVEN IF YOU GO TO SOMETHING, YOU ARE LIMITED TO JUST THE CANNED OPTIONS. IF YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO WANTED SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU COULD NOT GET THAT IN A PLASTIC CUP.
BUT YOU CAN GET THE CAN. IT IS SILLY TO SAY ONE IS ALLOWED, BUT THE OTHER, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. BY HAVING THIS PROCESS , WITH THE VERY VISIBLE LABEL, IT COULD ACTUALLY GIVE THE POLICE MORE TOOLS TO KIND OF ENFORCE, IF PEOPLE ARE BEING KIND OF ROWDY, AND IF A BUSINESS IS SERVING PEOPLE WHO ARE INTOXICATED, ABUSING THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING IT, IS THERE A PROCESS TO REMOVE IT , YOU CAN ONLY SERVE TWO AT A TIME, IF PEOPLE ARE SERVING PEOPLE SIX DRINKS AT ONCE, THAT
IS AGAINST THE RULES. >> YES, THERE IS A CAP ON THE AMOUNT THAT CAN BE SERVED. THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS WITH POLICE, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING SAFETY PLAN, THERE IS NOT A
FINAL PLAN IN PLACE. >> AS FOR THE CAP , MY CONCERN IS , SAY THAT I WAS A NEW BUSINESS THAT OPENED AND I WAS TOLD , YOU CANNOT GET IN THERE, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY REACHED THE CAP AND ALL OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES ARE THERE. IF I OWNED A BUSINESS IN THE AREA, I MIGHT HAVE FELT THAT WAS BEING LEFT OUT. I THINK THE BOUNDARIES ARE SMART BUT I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF A CAP, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I WOULD WANT IT TO BE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL OF THESE FIELDS.
>> THAT IS A SAFE SECTION THING. BUT , YOU KIND OF HINTED AT THIS. BUT RIGHT NOW , PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE
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DRINKING IN PUBLIC, ANYONE CAN WALK AROUND IN CARMEL WITH AN OPEN CONTAINER, THIS MAKES IT MORE SECURE. THIS DOES GIVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MORE TOOLS, TO DISCIPLINE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE POLICE CHIEF IN OHIO AND THE DEPUTY, JUST TO FIND OUT, IT IS NEWER IN INDIANA AND I WAS HOPING, WITH FORT WAYNE, THEY ABSOLUTELY LOVE THEIR DISTRICTS, THEY BELIEVE THAT IT HAS PROVIDED A SAFER ENVIRONMENT, THE PEOPLE RAVE ABOUT IT. IT HAS MADE IT SAFER , TO MAKE IT A CHECK AND BALANCE, THEY ARE NOT JUST BRINGING IN A BOTTLE OF VODKA AND WALKING DOWN THE STREET, YOU HAVE TO PURCHASE FROM A VENDOR. AND PUSHING THE BUSINESSES , IT IS ONE OF THE MAIN MISSIONS, THAT OUR GOVERNMENT CAN DO, I AM EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I AM EXCITED FOR HER TO GO TO COMMITTEE AND HAVE IT VETTED>> TO CLARIFY, I WAS NOT SUGGESTING WE PUT ANY CAP ON IT, I WAS SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD SEE IF THERE WAS
SOMETHING TO CLARIFY. GOOD. >> ANY? COUNSELOR TAYLOR?
>> VENDORS WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO SELL ALCOHOL , THEY HAVE THE SAME LIABILITY AS IF THEY SERVE SOMEONE , IF THEY SERVE , THEY BOUGHT THE ALCOHOL FROM THEIR LOCATION, THEY WOULD BE UNDER THE SAME REQUIREMENTS , UNDER INDIANA LAW.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO VENT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL AND THE PUBLIC IS ASKING FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE SO I PROPOSE THAT WE SEND IT TO LAND USE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, AND MOVING FORWARD IN THE COMMITTEE.
>> COUNSELOR AASEN ? >> THIS IS SOMETHING DR. JOSHI SAID EARLIER AND I WANT TO GIVE HER CREDIT FOR IT. WHEN WE SAY OURS, IS THAT GOING TO BE THE HOURS FOR WHEN THEY HAVE TO STOP SERVING OR SELLING THE DRINKS, OR IS THAT WHEN COPS HAVE TO BE OUT OF THE DISTRICT, YOU CANNOT BE THERE WITHOUT A
CUP? >> THE WAY THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN WRITTEN, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR AT THIS POINT. I THINK THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE , KNOWING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WALKING AROUND FOR ANOTHER HOUR OR SO
WITH THESE DRINKS. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THIS WILL BE GOING TO LAND USE. MOVING ON TO THE THIRD AND LAST ORDINANCE, UNDER NEW BUSINESS, FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2718-24 , AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, ESTABLISHING A DESIGNATED OUTDOOR REFRESHMENT AREA, SPONSORS ARE COUNSELORS JEFF WORRELL , SNYDER, AND AASEN. CAN I GET A MOTION TO INTRODUCE ?
>> SO MOVED. >> READ THE ORDINANCE.
>> ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES A DESIGNATED OUTDOOR REFRESHMENT AREA IN THE CITY'S CENTRAL CORE , PURSUANT TO INDIANA CODE ÷
7.1-3-31. >> THANK YOU, SAMANTHA? ANYTHING TO ADD? IS THIS ? THIS IS KIND OF , KIND OF A JOINT
THING? >> I THINK WE KIND OF REVERSED THINGS. I THINK, THIS ONE IS THE MONON GREENWAY. THIS IS A COROLLARY ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY MODIFY OUR CURRENT CITY, WITH REGARD TO DRINKING ON THE MONON GREENWAY, THE D.O.R.A. WOULD PASS THROUGH THE MONON.
>> ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE THIS GOES TO LAND USE? COUNSELOR
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AASEN ? CAN THEY GO INTO EFFECT AT THE SAME TIME?>> THIS ORDINANCE, WITH REGARD TO THE MONON, IT WOULD NEED TO BE SECONDARY TO THE D.O.R.A. ORDINANCE, IT IS SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED IN THE D.O.R.A. ORDINANCE.
>> DO WE HAVE TO HAVE LANGUAGE SAYING, PURSUANT TO?
>> CURRENTLY, THERE IS A WHEREAS CLAUSE . AT THAT POINT, IT REFERENCES THIS ORDINANCE, IN THE PASSAGE DATE. AND SO, I THINK THAT I MAY HAVE THAT BACKWARDS. I DO APOLOGIZE. IT IS IN THE , IN THE, THE MONON ORDINANCE. WE WOULD NEED TO REFERENCE THE DATE OF PASSAGE, FOR THE D.O.R.A., AND I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN REFERENCE THE DATE THAT IT WAS PASSED FROM THIS
COUNCIL. >> IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BEFORE THE ONE ORDINANCE GOES INTO EFFECT, FROM THE
OTHER. >> THE GREENWAY ORDINANCE NEEDS
TO GO INTO EFFECT SECOND. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS WILL ALSO GO TO LAND USE. MOVING ON TO THE AGENDA AT
[15. OTHER BUSINESS]
AROUND -- ADD-ON ITEMS, THERE ARE NONE. NUMBER 15, OTHER BUSINESS, ATTENTION -- PETITION TO HAMILTON COUNTY DRAINAGE BOARD FOR VERNON ASCHER DRAIN. I DON'T BELIEVE I SOUGHT ANY RESPONSE. SAMANTHA, DID YOU SEE ANY RESPONSE, FROM ENGINEERING? AND IF NOT, WE CAN JUST HOLD THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.ABOUT THE HAMILTON COUNTY DRAINAGE BOARD? OKAY, ALL
RIGHT, COUNSELOR TAYLOR. >> THANK YOU , SO, DIRECTOR CASHMAN IS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY DRAINAGE BOARD. THERE IS A LEGAL DRAIN , WHERE THEY ARE PUTTING IN THE 111TH STREET PAD. IT WILL FLOW INTO THE VERNON ASHER LEGAL DRAIN. HE WORKED WITH THE DRAINAGE BOARD THEY DRAFTED THE PETITION IN THE PACKET AND ASKED THEM TO EXECUTE THIS PETITION AND WHAT THIS WILL DO IS, IT WILL TURN OVER, FOR THE DRAINAGE BOARD TO MAINTAIN THOSE INLETS , AS THEY ARE ATTACHED , TO THE VERNON ASHER LEGAL DRAIN. AND THIS WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS. SO I WAS SURPRISED IT WAS A PETITION, NOT A RESOLUTION TO EXECUTE THE PETITION, BUT THIS DRAFT WAS PROVIDED BY CITY ENGINEERING, AND THE COUNTY DRAINAGE BOARD.
DO YOU THINK THAT IS OKAY FOR IT TO NOT HAVE AN ATTACHED RESOLUTION, AS TO WHY WE ARE ASSIGNING IT ? ARE WE ALLOWED
TO TAKE ACTION ON IT? >> I THINK YOU CAN TAKE ACTION ON IT, BUT THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, THE ONES TO THE COUNTY NEED TO STAY WITH THAT, AS WELL.
>> ANY QUESTIONS? AND PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS, WOULD BE TO GO AHEAD, JUST TAKE A VOTE. IF I CAN GET A MOTION?
>> I MOVED TO EXECUTE THE PETITION AS PRESENTED --
>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT, SECONDED, PLEASE VOTE THAT IS APPROVED , 8-0, THEY WILL SEND IT TO DR. SON, WE CAN ALL SIGNED IT, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON. THAT IS IT TO OTHER BUSINESS, MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 17, ANNOUNCEMENTS, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS?
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.