Aug 05, 2024 City Council Meeting 08-05-2024

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

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>> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE CARMEL COMMON COUNCIL ON MONDAY, AUGUST 5TH, TO ORDER. WE HAVE QUORUM. THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE AGENDA APPROVAL.

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE. >> MICROPHONE?

>> WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD MOVE TO TAKE

ITEM 13 C UP TO 12 A. >> EVENING 14 C?

>> YES. >> I WILL SECOND COUNSELOR

SNYDER'S MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. READY TO VOTE? ALL RIGHT. THE AGENDA IS AMENDED.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED AGENDA?

>> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES

[3. INVOCATION]

GEORGE DAVIS. >> -- AND MADE THEIR DECISIONS CONTINUE TO LEAD US TOWARD PROGRESS AND WELL-BEING.

STRENGTHEN EACH MEMBER, IN THEIR PERSONAL LIVES , STRENGTHEN ALL WHO BRING BUSINESS TONIGHT , THAT MIGHT DO SO IN A POSITIVE SPIRIT. WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK OF THE PUBLIC GOOD, WE LOOK TO YOUR CARE OUR NEWEST POLICE OFFICERS WITH APPRECIATION FOR THEIR DEDICATION AND COURAGE, TO BE WITH THEIR LOVED ONES. MADE THIS OCCASION ENABLE US ALL TO LEAVE AS GRATEFUL CITIZENS.

[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

AMEN. >> THANK YOU FOR NEXT UP IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. LAILA, WOULD YOU HELP LEAD US IN THE

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS]

>> THANK YOU. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS. TONIGHT, WE HAVE THE SWEARING IN OF NEW CARMEL POLICE OFFICERS. WE WILL HAND THIS OFF TO MAYOR FANKAM AND CHIEF STERLING.

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. I AM VERY PLEASED TO BRING FORTH SEVEN NEW OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE HIRED. TODAY WAS THEIR FIRST DAY. IF I COULD PLEASE GET ALL SEVEN OF YOU TO STEP FORWARD? I WILL INTRODUCE EACH OF THEM, AND THEN MAYOR FANKAM WILL

SWEAR THEM IN TOGETHER. >> SO, COUNSEL, FROM YOUR RIGHT TO LEFT, KATELYN COLGATE . KATELYN IS A LATERAL WHO CAME TO US FROM IPY . THAT IS GOOD FOR US BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ACADEMY, SO SHE IS A SOUGHT-AFTER COMMODITY. WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE HER ON THE TEAM. NEXT TO HER IS VICTORIA SIMMONS, VICTORIA IS A CRIMINAL JUSTICE MAJOR FROM FRANKLIN COLLEGE. SHE IS A COLLEGIATE ATHLETE, A FUN STORY ABOUT HER, SHE WAS ACTUALLY A CADET FOR ONE YEAR AS A PART OF OUR CADET PROGRAM, SO THAT IS A BIG SUCCESS STORY FOR US. NEXT TO HER IS BAILEY BOYD. BAILEY COMES TO US AS AN INVESTMENT BROKER AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE MAJOR AS WELL NEXT TO HER IS BRIAN VASQUEZ, HE IS A LATERAL FROM PURDUE UNIVERSITY WITH SOME EXPERIENCE HE BRINGS, EXCITED TO HAVE HIM AS A PART OF THE TEAM. NEXT UP IS ANDREW GORTON, ANDREW WAS HELD BACK FROM THE LAST HIRING GROUP, BUT HE HAS PERSEVERED AND IS WITH US TODAY. WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE HIM ON THE TEAM AS WELL.

NEXT TO HIM IS CAMERON MILLER. CAMERON IS ALSO A COLLEGIATE ATHLETE, HE COMES FROM FRANKLIN COLLEGE AND PLAYED BASEBALL FOR A FEW YEARS OVER THERE. AND THEN, LAST ON YOUR LEFT, THERE, IS TANG, HE IS ALSO A CRIMINAL JUSTICE MAJOR, WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE THIS GROUP . I BELIEVE SEVEN IS THE LARGEST CLASS, MAYBE EVER, BUT CERTAINLY IN A LONG TIME THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BRING TO THIS DEPARTMENT. IS A FANTASTIC GROUP AND WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE THEM. IT IS A GREAT BRIGHT DATE FOR CARMEL CD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> YOUR NAME DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR , THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF INDIANA. AND, THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE MY DUTIES AS A POLICE OFFICER TO THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, ACCORDING TO THE LAW SO HELP ME GOD. CONGRATULATIONS.

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>> COUNSEL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND NEW OFFICERS. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> CONGRATULATIONS. >> CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> CONGRATS TO OUR NEWLY SWORN IN POLICE OFFICERS, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY. THANK YOU TO ALL THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY IN ATTENDANCE. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO STICK AROUND, IT IS NOT RUDE FOR YOU TO LEAVE, BUT WE DO ASK THAT YOU TRY TO LEAVE AS QUIETLY AS POSSIBLE SO WE GET ON WITH THE MEETING. THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THIS A

[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]

>> HELLO, MY NAME IS JOE MEISENHEIMER, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS RELATED TO THE PROPOSAL FOR THE GOAT TAVERNS . FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT IS THE HURRY? I HOPE THAT THIS WILL BE GOING TO THE COMMITTEE MEETING FOR MORE DISCUSSION , AS THE CITY HAS ALLOWED BARS, AND

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NUMBER THREE, THE GOAT TAVERNS NINE COMMITMENTS WERE MADE AS A PART OF THEIR APPLICATION FOR REZONING WHICH MAY BE MODIFIED OR TERMINATED, BUT ON THE COUNSEL THIS ORDINANCE WOULD TERMINATE TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX. AND THESE COMMITMENTS WERE INTENDED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMEOWNERS TO BE PROTECTED FROM BAD BEHAVIORS AND NOISE. NUMBER FIVE, CLOSING THE BUSINESS EARLIER IF OTHER ALCOHOL BUSINESSES RELATED TO THE PROPERTY ADHERE TO CLOSING HOURS PROVIDED IN THIS PARAGRAPH. I THINK THE GOAT TAVERN RAN INTO PROBLEMS BECAUSE THEY DECIDED TO BE OPEN UNTIL 3:00 I AM, BUT THEY HAVE CALLED THEIR NEW BUILDING REQUIREMENTS AND I HAVE HEARD PATRONS HAVE NOT CAUSED A PROBLEM, SO I AGREE, THEY SHOULD BE OPEN AT THE SAME TIME AS NEARBY BARS, BUT I ASK THIS COMMITMENT BE REVISED SO THEY DO NOT EXTEND THEIR TIME BEYOND MIDNIGHT ON WEEKNIGHTS OR 1:00 P.M. ON THE WEEKENDS.

COMMITMENT 6, THE OWNER COMMITS TO USE NO OUTSIDE SPEAKERS. IF OUTSIDE SPEAKERS CONTINUE, I ASK THIS AMENDMENT BE REVIVED TO INCLUDE IRRESPONSIBLE TIME FOR THE USE OF OUTSIDE SPEAKERS BECAUSE BARS ARE BEING PUT INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND COVER A LARGE AREA OF CARMEL, I HOPE WE WILL COVER SPEAKER TIMES FOR ALL BARS. MY LAST REQUEST IS THAT WHAT RECOURSE DO RESIDENTS HAVE FOR VIOLATIONS IF NEARBY NEIGHBORS ARE FRUSTRATED, WHAT

CAN NEIGHBORS DO? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP, WE HAVE JANE FLECK, SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE GOAT, AND THEN ON DECK,

NANCY TATUM. >> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR FANKAM, COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN, MY NAME IS JANE FLECK, I LIVE AT 225 FIRST STREET SOUTHWEST, WHICH IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE GOAT, AND SOME OF YOU WEREN'T ON THE COUNSEL, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, SO I WILL JUST REFRESH YOUR MEMORY A LITTLE BIT. OUR MAIN COMPLAINTS WERE THE NOISE. THAT WAS THE BIG ONE, AND THEN THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON ON OUR PROPERTY THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE ON. YOU HAVE HEARD THE STORIES. SO, THE NOISE, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE NOISE ORDINANCE IN CARMEL IS 80 DECIBELS, IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND. THAT IS A NOISY COPY MACHINE.

SO, I ANTICIPATE THAT IF THEY ARE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR MUSIC OUTSIDE, WITH THE NOISE, I SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HEAR IT ON MY PROPERTY. THE OTHER EVENING, I WENT BY THE GOAT, AND SAW THAT THE NEW BUILDING WAS FULL. AND WE COULDN'T HEAR ANYTHING, SO THAT IS A WONDERFUL THING. NOW, HOPEFULLY, WHEN THEY OPEN UP ALL THEIR WINDOWS, AND BRING PEOPLE OUTSIDE, THAT WILL CONTINUE. THE SECOND THING IS CLOSING, ANOTHER CLOSE EARLIER, NOW, AND THAT WOULD BE MOVED TO 12:00 P.M. ON WEEKDAYS, AND 1:00 P.M. ON THE WEEKENDS. AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS KEEPING PEOPLE OFF OUR PROPERTY . KEVIN PAUL PUT A FENCE UP AND THAT HAD TO BE TAKEN DOWN, BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING GOING ON RIGHT NEXT TO US. SO WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT WILL GO BACK UP. I JUST WANT TO SAY, HE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB SO FAR, AND NOW THAT THE EXTERNAL RESTRICTIONS ARE LIFTED, I ANTICIPATE THAT HE WILL CONTINUE TO BE A GOOD

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YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE NANCY TATUM. ON DECK WOULD BE MARK HALL .

>> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK ABOUT ANY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE. I HAVE A FEW TOPICS OF CONCERN. NUMBER ONE IS , THIS WAS IN THE SUNDAY PAPER . IT IS A FULL-PAGE AD , AND A LETTER TO MAYOR JOE HOGG SAID REGARDING, SAVE OUR OPEN FOREST. THERE CITY COUNCIL VOTED 23-0 TO SUPPORT THIS BUDGET REQUEST TO INVEST MONEY INTO INDIANAPOLIS . SO, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT BEFORE ALL OF CARMEL'S FORESTS ARE GONE, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MIGHT FALL IN THE SAME FOOTSTEPS AS INDIANAPOLIS. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD DO THE SAME THING.

OUR REMAINING FORESTS ARE BEING TURNED TO MULCH AS A MUCH TOO FREQUENT OCCURRENCE. NUMBER TWO, I WOULD TO ASK THE COUNSEL AND STREET DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO THE CURBSIDE PICKUP, OR TO PURCHASE A VACUUM TRUCK LIKE NOBLESVILLE HAS, SO THAT RESIDENTS CAN RAKE LEAVES TO THE CURB, AND STOP USING 40 PLASTIC BAGS FULL OF LEAVES THAT END UP IN REPUBLICS TRASH . THE LEAVES WOULD THEN BE PUT INTO CITY COMPOST , WHERE RESIDENTS COULD COME AND TAKE THE COMPOST TO USE AT HOME.

AND, THIS IS CURRENTLY BEING DONE IN NOBLESVILLE. I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT MOTORIZED BIKES . I LIVE ON A MAIN STREET THAT GOES THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND A FEW DAYS AGO, THERE WAS A MOTORIZED BIKE SPEEDING DOWN MY STREET. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW FAST THESE BIKES CAN GO, BUT IT SEEMED MUCH FASTER THAN OUR SPEED LIMIT OF 25 MILES PER HOUR. HE DIDN'T STOP, HE IS NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES, BECAUSE IT IS A BIKE, SO HE IS NOT STOPPING, HE IS JUST FLYING STRAIGHT DOWN, AND GOING THROUGH THE STOP SIGNS. SO, I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY TO SET SPEED LIMITS? I REALLY DON'T KNOW. AND THEN, THERE IS CLEARLY SAFETY CONCERNS ABOUT HOW FAST THEY ARE GOING, AND A LOT OF KIDS ON BIKES. SO, I JUST -- NUMBER FOUR, I THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY APARTMENTS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE MARK HALL SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER, AND ON DECK IS GREG

STERLING. >> YES, I AM SPEAKING AS AN INDIVIDUAL, A MEMBER OF THE REGIONAL COMMISSION FOR THE COUNTY, SERVE AS A VICE PRESIDENT, I AM IN MY FIRST TERM, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK . I WILL BE VERY BRIEF, HAVING BEEN ON THIS SIDE OF THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS, I WILL TRY TO TAKE NO MORE THAN ONE MINUTE. I WANT TO MAKE THE OBSERVATION THAT IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE ABILITY TO USE THE TIF DISTRICT THAT YOU CONTROL, THIS PROJECT MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED. THE GENERAL FUND IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BEAST TO TAKING THE TIF DOLLARS YOU WILL AUTHORIZE THIS EVENING, HOPEFULLY, TO CREATE THE CURRENT TRAINING CENTER. THE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC SUPPORT THAT SITS YOU TODAY.

380,000 NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE IN HAMILTON COUNTY. THIS IS SOMETHING, IT WILL SAVE LIVES . YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO HELP US ORCHESTRATE THE FINANCE OF THIS, OR MOVE IT TO COMMITTEE.

I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DON'T MOVE IT TO COMMITTEE, PASS A MEASURE THIS EVENING SO WE CAN BREAK GROUND AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT UP, WE HAVE GREG STERLING, SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER AND ON DECK IS

DANIEL SPANGLER. >> I JUST WANT TO VOICE MY SUPPORT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT SUPPORT OF THE TRAINING FACILITY. WE ARE ALL VERY BLESSED TO HAVE FANTASTIC PUBLIC SAFETY IN HAMILTON COUNTY, AND THIS INVESTMENT IN THE TRAINING FACILITY WILL HELP BRING OUR TECHNOLOGY AND OUR

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I DECIDED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND VOICE

MY SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS DENNIS, AND ON DECK IS TONY MURRAY.

>> THANK YOU, HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. HERE, TO SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE 275-TO 4-7 FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER. WE LIVE IN ONE OF THE SAFEST SAFEST COUNTIES IN AMERICA BECAUSE OF THE COOPERATION BETWEEN ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, CITIZENS AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNITY. WE HAVE THE BEST TRAINING AND THE BEST EQUIPMENT AROUND. THIS CENTER WILL ALLOW US TO TRAIN THE BEST TRAINING AVAILABLE, THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGY, TRAINING WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PARTNERS , POLICE FIRE, EMA, AND 911, ALL TRAINING TOGETHER, AND THE MORE TRAINING WE GET TO GATHER, THE BETTER WE ARE. WE HAVE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS, TO TRY TO PLAN THE BEST POSSIBLE FACILITIES , TO TAKE US INTO THE FUTURE, LOOKING 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE FOR HAMILTON COUNTY, AS ONE OF THE SAFEST PLACE IN THE NATION, THIS IS DESPERATELY NEEDED, SO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING YOUR SUPPORT.

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT UP IS TONY MURRAY, SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER ON DECK I APOLOGIZE IF I SAY THIS WRONG, TIM FAGAN?

>> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, TONY MURRAY, I AM A RESIDENT AND ALSO REPRESENTING OVER 8600 MEMBERS OF THE CAREER FIRE SERVICE AND PARAMEDICS ACROSS THE STATE OF INDIANA, HERE TO SUPPORT ITEM 14 B, AND ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS MEASURE, TO MAKE IT GO FORWARD. I AM IN NOBLESVILLE FIREFIGHTER FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, PARAMEDIC, AND I HAVE HAD MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER IN PUBLIC SAFETY FOR 30 YEARS, HAVE BEEN AT THE TABLE AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT FROM ITS EARLIEST EXISTENCE, AND THAT WAS MANY YEARS AGO, WHEN THE CITY OF WESTFIELD BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY TO BE USED FOR THE AQUIFERS, FOR THEREFORE UTILITY. IT WAS AT THAT TIME, MAYOR COOK ASKED THE FIRE SERVICE IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO -- OR IF WE HAD A NEED TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS FOR LIVE FIRE TRAINING EXPERIENCES, AND WE SAID, WITHOUT A DOUBT, ABSOLUTELY, YES. WE ARE AT A POINT, I THINK WHERE IT IS TIME TO ADVANCE THIS. THIS WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS. THIS IS AN EXPANSION, AND THIS IS ALSO WOULD PROVIDE US EXTENDED USE TO BUILD SKILLS AND TRAIN ALL MEMBERS OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WHETHER THAT BE LIKE THE SHERIFF SAID, LAW ENFORCEMENT, EMA, POLICE , THE FIREFIGHTERS AS WELL, AS EMS. IN OUR COUNTY, FIRE SERVICE PROVIDES FIRE BASED EMS SERVICE, THE AMBULANCE SERVICE AND ADVANCED SUPPORT CARE. THIS IS A JOINT TRAINING OPPORTUNITY. JOINT TRAINING IS SO IMPORTANT TO COMBINE ALL DISCIPLINES, AND TO HAVE SEVERAL DISCIPLINES ABLE TO TRAIN ON MULTIPLE ISSUES AT A TIME, AT WHAT WOULD BE THE EXPANDED TRAINING CAMPUS. YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TACTICS, WE HAVE SEVERAL CHALLENGES IN PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT, WITH REGARD TO LIFE SAFETY, AND VICTIM SEARCH AND RESCUE AND ACTING WISHING FIRES AND MITIGATING PROBLEMS, WE HAVE A CHANGE IN OUR HAMILTON COUNTY COMMUNITY, ALSO IN THE CITY, AND THAT IS PRODUCING AND BUILDING MORE MIDRISE AND HIGHER DENSITY LOCATIONS. MIDRISE OF SEVERAL STORIES, IN SOME CASES, THE CITY OF CARMEL HAS HIGH-RISES WHICH REQUIRES A CHANGE IN TACTICS, A CHANGE IN HOW WE FIGHT FIRES IN THOSE LOCATIONS.

SO, THIS WILL GIVE US THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE PLACED THERE, AND IT IS AN EFFICIENT USE OF PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING, IT IS ALSO AN EFFICIENT USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THIS FACILITY WILL GO TO BENEFIT ALL RESIDENTS IN HAMILTON COUNTY, AND ALL OF THE VISITORS THAT WE INVITE TAKE PART IN THE HAMILTON COUNTY

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>> THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS TIM FAGAN, SPEAKING IN FIGURE FAVOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER, ON DECK IS SEAN SUTTON.

>> THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME. I WILL BE REDUNDANT TO WHAT THE SPEAKERS BEFORE ME HAVE SAID, I COME WEARING MULTIPLE HATS. I AM A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC, THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT EVERYONE OF US HERE, FILLING THE ROLES OF PUBLIC SAFETY WOULD BENEFIT FROM THIS. THIS RESOLUTION BEING PASSED. I AM ALSO A MEDIC ON THE S.W.A.T. TEAM FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I KNOW POLICE OFFICERS HERE BENEFIT FROM THAT. IMPORTANTLY, I COME TO YOU AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. I LIVE HERE IN CARMEL, TO HAVE A WORLD-CLASS PUBLIC SAFETY DIVISION , THIS WILL HELP US MAINTAIN THAT. WE ARE WORLD-CLASS RIGHT NOW, TODAY. AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHICH IS GOING TO MAKE PUBLIC SAFETY BETTER. SO, I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT WITH THIS AND I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF , SO I WISH YOU THE OPPORTUNITY VERY MUCH, AGAIN, AS A MEMBER OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AS AN HONORARY MEMBER OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS MUCH AS MY BROTHERS WILL TEASE ME ABOUT THAT, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, I DO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS

RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> NEXT UP IS SEAN SUTTON SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE SAFETY TRAINING CENTER, THEN THE LAST ONE ON DECK WOULD BE SUE

MACKEY. >> TRAINING AND SAFETY CHIEF FOR THE CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT AND I AM ALSO A TAXPAYER HERE IN THE CITY. THANK YOU, COUNSEL, FOR ALLOWING ME TO STAND HERE TONIGHT. I STAND TO SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, AND I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AND REALLY, I HAVE THREE MAIN POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE . THE FIRST IS THAT THIS TRAINING CENTER WILL PROVIDE A LOCATION FOR US TO DO LIVE FIRE TRAINING. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO DO LIVE FIRE TRAINING . WE DO IT AT THE HAMILTON COUNTY TRAINING CENTER, NOW, BUT IN THE CITY OF CARMEL, WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE . WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT OUT OF THE TRAINING CENTER THAT WE HAVE, SO, THIS WILL PROVIDE US THE OPPORTUNITY. THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE TRAINING PROPS OUT THERE, THEY ARE USED AND WE HAVE HAD TO MAKE SEVERAL REPAIRS TO THEM , AND THEY ARE SHOWING THEIR USE BUT EITHER WAY, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT LIVE FIRE TRAINING. AND SECONDLY, LIKE PRESIDENT MURRAY TOUCHED ON, THE MIDRISE BUILDINGS HAVE PRESENTED A TECHNICAL CHALLENGE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. NOT ONLY FOR US, BUT ALL FIREFIGHTERS IN HAMILTON COUNTY AND THE GREATER METRO AREA.

THOSE FIRES ARE CHALLENGING, AND THEY DO REQUIRE DIFFERENT TACTICS. WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF MIDRISE BUILDINGS, AND WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS AS WELL. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO DO THAT TRAINING . THE TRAINING WOULD INVOLVE DOING STRETCHES UP STAIRWELLS, CONNECTING TO STANDBYS, CONNECTING TO SPENGLER SYSTEMS, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT IN OUR TRAINING CENTER. AND SO, THIS FACILITY, I HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS FOR THE ACTUAL FIRE TOWER, AND THIS EQUIPMENT IS INCLUDED IN THIS TRAINING PROBLEM. SO, THAT WILL PROVIDE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT TRAINING. WE USED TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THIS TRAINING IN ING GARAGES, BUT THAT OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN KIND OF TAKEN AWAY FROM US, AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY ARE FILLING THE SPENGLER SYSTEMS AND STANDPIPES AND PARKING GARAGES WITH NITROGEN AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO REFILL THOSE STANDPIPES BACK WITH NITROGEN, SO IT HAS KIND OF ERASED OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT TRAINING.

LASTLY, THE ABILITY TO TRAIN WITH MULTIJURISDICTIONAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS, FIRE COMPANIES, WE SHOULDN'T BE MEETING OUR FELLOW FIREFIGHTERS FOR THE FIRST TIME AT A FIRE, WHEN WE

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. AND LAST UP IS TIM MACKEY, SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING

CENTER. >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS SUE MACKEY, I AM A MEMBER OF THE TRAINING CENTER AND HAMILTON COUNTY COUNSEL . I HAVE SPOKEN IN SUPPORT OF THE SAFETY CENTER AND THE USE OF THE TIF REVENUES FROM THE AREA THAT THE COUNTY CURRENTLY CONTROLS FOR THE BENEFIT OF CARMEL RESIDENTS, AND THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. YOU HAVE HEARD AND YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THE SAFETY IMPLICATIONS OF THAT TRAINING WHICH COMES OUT OF THE CENTER, FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS, BUT, WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR COUNTY COUNSEL , THE PAST TWO TIMES, I WAS KNOCKING ON LOTS OF DOORS AND ONE OF MY PLATFORM ISSUES WAS THAT PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER. BY FAR, THE SUPPORT FOR THE CENTER WAS UNANIMOUS, OF THE PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO. PEOPLE VERY MUCH VALUE THE SAFETY HERE IN CARMEL AND IN HAMILTON COUNTY AS A WHOLE, AND THE VERY MUCH SUPPORT THE BUILDING, AND MAINTENANCE OF A PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER, AND I AM ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT HERE, TODAY, AND THAT'S ALL. THANK

[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]

YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, MAYORAL COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS ? SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MAYOR FANKAM AND HER GUEST.

>> MY NAME IS LEILA HOWERTON, AND A THIRD GRADER AT THREE CREEK ELEMENTARY. I AM HAPPY TO PRESENT THE MAYOR'S REPORTS TONIGHT. THE MAYOR WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE YOU ON THE FIRE CHIEF SEARCH FOR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS NARROWED THE SEARCH TO FINALISTS. THE MAYOR HOPES TO HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT WITHIN TWO WEEKS. THIS THURSDAY HOUSING TASK FORCE MEETING IS SOLELY FOR THE WORKGROUP TO MEET AND DISCUSS IDEAS. THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO ATTEND. IT WILL BE HELD, HERE, AT 7:30 A.M. . THE BUDGET IS PROGRESSING DEPARTMENT LEADERS DID A GREAT JOB PRIORITIZING REQUEST. AS EXPECTED. BUDGET REQUESTS EXCEEDED AVAILABLE REVENUE . THE MAYOR AND CFO ARE MEETING WITH DEPARTMENT LEADERS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND REQUEST TO MAKE THE BUDGET WORK. THE CITY WILL SOON BE MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING ITS BANKING RFP PERIOD THE MAYOR WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL HOOPER DISSIPATED. THE CHAMBER IS HOSTING A SPOTLIGHT ON CARMEL HERE AT THE HALL , HOTEL CARMICHAEL ON AUGUST 16TH. TICKETS ARE JUST $15, AND CAN BE SECURED VIA THE ND CHAMBER WEBSITE. THE MAYOR WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK MATT SNYDER FOR CHAIRING THE COMMISSION ON VETERANS AND MILITARY FAMILIES AND RICH TAYLOR, FOR CHAIRING THE COMMISSION ON SENIORS. COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE BEEN SELECTED , AND WILL BE ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK. THANK YOU.

>> GREAT JOB, LEILA. MY APOLOGIES TO YOU RICH AND MATT, I FORGET THAT I SHOULD BE MORE FORMAL ARGUMENTATION SOMETIMES BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN FRIENDS FOR A LONG TIME. ALSO THE WORKSHOP, I FAILED TO PUT THE DATE IN, THE NEXT HOUSING TASK FORCE MEETING IS THURSDAY, THIS WEEK, AT 7:30 AND THAT IS AGAIN THE WORK GROUP WORKING TO PROCESS RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY WILL NOT BE TAKING COMMENTARY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT TO DO, BUT IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, SO I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I DID NOT PUT THAT IN MY DEPUTY MAYOR'S COMMENTS TO DATE WHICH

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>> THANK YOU. LEILA, WHAT SCHOOL DO YOU GO TO? WHAT

GRADE? >> THIRD AT CREEK ELEMENTARY.

>> AWESOME. LEILA IS ACTUALLY THE DAUGHTER OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY, SAMANTHA KINDS. SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNSEL, ANY COMMENTS OR OBSERVATIONS FROM ANYONE ON COUNSEL? ALL RIGHT.

COUNSELOR TAYLOR? >> I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE MAYOR, FOR YOUR FOCUS ON HELPING SENIORS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I AM EXCITED TO GET STARTED. I DID WANT TO ANNOUNCE A PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WE DID SET OUR FIRST MEETING FOR AUGUST 28TH, AT 5:30, FOR THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION . A LOT MORE TO COME, WE HAVE A GREAT COMMITTEE WITH IDEAS FOR OTHER WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED IN SUBCOMMITTEES, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING GREAT THINGS,

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY, I KNOW A LOT OF YOU WERE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER. WITH THE REORDERED AGENDA THAT WILL BE THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. I DID SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE FANNING THEMSELVES WITH SHEETS OF PAPER, SO IF YOU DO NEED TO STEP OUT TO COOL OFF, THAT IS PROBABLY FINE, YOU HAVE

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

AS YOU DO SO. >> NEXT UP ON THE ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA . APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR JULY 15TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING , AND CLAIMS, PAYROLL IN THE AMOUNT OF 3,715,000 AND $897, AND $.86, AND GENERAL CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF $4,655,236.84 . DO I HAVE A MOTION? ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE VOTE. IT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ACTION ON MAYORAL

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

FIRST UP, FINANCE, UTILITY AND RULES COMMITTEE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, CONGRATULATIONS ON RUNNING YOUR FIRST MEETING TONIGHT, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, OFF TO A GREAT START AND I WISH YOU WELL. WE HAVE NOT MET SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE AUGUST 13TH, WE HAVE ONE ITEM SO FAR ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS LOOKING AT THE

FINANCES OF PROCEEDS THREE. >> THANK YOU. LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE, COUNSELOR SNYDER?

>> THANK YOU. WE MET ON THE 17TH. WE ONLY WENT WITH ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH WAS DISCUSSION OF THE DORA, WHICH WE COLLECTIVELY FELT WE SHOULD GIVE AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE, TO ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE THEIR INPUT, AND HAVE DIRECT DISCUSSION, AND WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT . WE SENT IT

[11. OTHER REPORTS]

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT UP, OTHER REPORTS? WE FIRST HAVE THE MONTHLY REPORT FROM THE CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT

COMMISSION. >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.

GOING THROUGH OUR MONTHLY CRC REPORT .

>> AND OTHER BUSY SUMMER MONTH OF CONSTRUCTION. LOTS OF WORK, PROGRESSING ON THE WREN BUILDING AND CITY CENTER , IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. THE SAME FOR THE WINDSOR . THAT IS OVERSEEING THE GREEN RIGHT THERE. CITY PLANS FOR THE TAVERN ARE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD . FIRST ON MAIN IS GENERALLY OPEN, WE HAD A GROUNDBREAKING -- OR DEDICATION CEREMONY NOT LONG AGO. THE CONDOS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. MAGNOLIA HAS A THIRD ELEVATOR TOWER UP, THAT IS EXCITING TO SEE, THERE'S OUR FOR-SALE UNITS BEING BUILT.

WE HOPE TO HAVE SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS ON RETAIL TENANTS ON THIS PROJECT NEXT MONTH. I HEAR THAT THEY ARE CLOSE TO SELECTION ON RETAIL TENANTS. SIGNATURE PROJECT IS MOVING ALONG, I HOPE EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK OUT THEIR VEGETABLE GARDEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY, THERE IS A PUBLIC GREEN, THERE OF VEGETABLES BEING GROWN, SMART.

THE CIVIC SQUARE CONDOS ARE CURRENTLY IN DESIGN, WE SUSPECT THAT WILL START EARLY NEXT YEAR. LOTS OF PROGRESS ON

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PROGRESSING RIGHT ALONG. LOTS OF HEADQUARTERS TO THAT BUILDING. ICON ON MAIN IS MOVING FORWARD AS WELL. SOME WORRY THAT LARGE CEMENT STRUCTURE WILL BE FACED WITH BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE AND AT THE END OF THIS PROJECT, THE LAST PART OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE THE PUBLIC PLAZA UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AT THAT MAINSTREET ROUNDABOUT. THE AT&T SITE IS THE EXPANSION OF THE MERCHANTS BANK BUILDING WHICH CONTINUES TO PROGRESS FURTHER. ALONG WITH THE MULTI FAMILY THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THERE. THE TOWNSHIP PROJECT, THIS IS THE NEW HOME FOR THE CARMEL PLACE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP AND DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. IT IS BEAUTIFUL, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BY YET, CHECK OUT THE BRICKWORK AND FAÇADE, IT IS REALLY A TESTAMENT TO ARCHITECTURE IN THE CITY, AND REALLY, THIS BUILDING WILL WELCOME PEOPLE FOR A LONG TIME. BIG SHOUT OUT TO THE TOWNSHIP. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL?

COUNSELOR SNYDER? >> AS I CALL FROM THE EMAIL, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY BUILDIN HAS A SIGNING COMING UP , DO

YOU RECALL THAT? >> I DON'T, BUT I WILL FIGURE

IT OUT. >> THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME OUT AND BE A PART OF THE BUILDING, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE WITH AN INTERESTING CARMEL HISTORY TO SWING BY AT THAT GETS PUT OUT ON SOME SOCIAL MEDIA.

>> I WILL MAKE SURE OF IT. >> ANY OTHER COUNSELORS QUESTINS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR.

>> THANK YOU. >>> WE HAD AN ITEM ON OUR AGENDA FOR THE SISTER CITY PRESENTATION ON THE LATVIAN POLICE EXCHANGE PROGRAM, WE WILL BE DEVOTED DELAYING THAT TO ANOTHER MEETING, BUT WE WILL BE EXCITED TO HEAR FROM THEM AT

A LATER DATE TO BE SCHEDULED. >> MR. PRESIDENT? MR. TEMPORARY

PRESIDENT? >> YES.

>> THAT SIGNING IS AUGUST 8 AT 10:00 P.M. BRIEF REMARKS AT

10:30. >> THANK YOU.

>> THIS ISN'T CRC RELATED, BUT THERE IS ANOTHER RIBBON-CUTTING OR EVENT COMING UP SOON, DID YOU MENTION THAT?

>> YES, SIR. REDEDICATION AND GRAND OPENING OF THE CARMEL PLAY BUILDING WHICH HOUSES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S HEADQUARTERS, IT HOUSES TO COMMUNITY SPACES, THE SAFE HOUSE AND THE FIRE BUS MUSEUM WHICH WILL HAVE ITS GRAND OPENING ON AUGUST THE 15TH, BEGINNING AT 6:00. THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG PARTY FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE AS MANY PEOPLE THERE, THERE WILL BE HORS D'OEUVRES, DRINKS BEING SERVED AT VARIOUS BARS THAT CAN BE USED FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS . WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A FULL HOUSE , POTENTIALLY THE COMMENT PERIOD INFORMED TODAY SO WE CAN MOVE ON QUICKER, AND OUR OWN MR. TIM GRIFFIN WILL BE THE MC OF THE EVENT. SO, A VERY EXCITING, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AS MANY PEOPLE THERE AS

POSSIBLE. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> NOW WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR REORDERED AGENDA. WE WILL BE NEXT UP, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY 14 C, NOW 12 A . THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE Z, 692.24, AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA, TO MODIFY AND TERMINATE THE COMMITMENTS RECORDED ON 2/22 AVENUE SOUTHWEST, SPONSORS OR COUNSELORS SNYDER, GREENE, AUSTIN, AND TAYLOR. MAY YOUR

MOTION? >> COUNSELOR SNYDER, WILL YOU

READ THE SYNOPSIS? >> THIS ORDINANCE IS TO MODIFY

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SOUTHWEST , LOT 1. >> ALL RIGHT. COUNSELOR SNYDER, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE ONE OF THE SPONSORS ON THIS, AND WE HAVE AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE IN THE CROWD ABLE TO SPEAK ON THIS?

>> I KNOW THE LANDOWNER'S COUNSEL IS HERE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE PODIUM, BUT A LITTLE BACKGROUND, HERE, THE REASON WHY THIS WAS IMPORTANT TO ME, ESPECIALLY AS WE ARE STARTING TO CREATE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, -- CLEARLY I AM A SPONSOR OF THE DORA AND I SUPPORT IT, I CANNOT SUPPORT IT IF NOT ALL OF THE MEMBERS ARE PLAYING BY THE SAME RULES. AND, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, DURING COVID, THE GOAT, WHICH IS THE TENANT OF THE LANDOWNER AT THIS ADDRESS , OWNED BY CAMELOT HOLDING HAD ISSUES . AND ANYONE WILL DENY THAT. THEY HAVE WORKED VERY HARD , TO RECTIFY THOSE AND PUT IN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INTO THE PROPERTY. AS WE HEARD ONE OF THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBORS SAY , WHEN WE SPOKE , WITH LITTLE TREPIDATION, I SUPPORT REMOVING THE COMMITMENTS FROM THE GOAT.

EVAN HAS BEEN FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH, AND WE HAVE HAD ZERO ISSUES SINCE THE REOPENING, THE OTHER DIRECT NEIGHBOR, MR. ALAN COHEN, GAVE ME A QUICK TO SHARE, AND SAID SORRY I CANNOT BE THERE TONIGHT, PLEASE PASS ALONG MY APPRECIATION TO KEVIN FOR ALL THAT HE HAS DONE, AND I WISH HIM THE BEST OF LUCK. SO, THE TWO PEOPLE INITIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR RAISING THE CONCERN FOR THIS PARCEL, HAVE BOTH ENDORSED REMOVING THESE COMMITMENTS. THESE COMMITMENTS ARE WHAT IS ODD ABOUT THIS, AND VERY RARE, THESE COMMITMENTS ARE ON THE LANDOWNER, NOT ON THE BUSINESS. THE ISSUE IS WITH THE BUSINESS, YET, THE LANDOWNER GOT THE COMMITMENTS AND RESTRICTIONS. THAT IS FINE IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON, BUT I HAVE USED THIS ANALOGY, IF WE HAD ISSUES WITH THROUGHPUT COMMITMENT ON THE ENTIRE SEPHIA BUILDING? THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS, THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED IT IS ENTIRELY A NEW LANDSCAPE, THERE IS A FOUR-STORY BUILDING RIGHT NOW NEXT TO IT, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE ON THAT PROPERTY IS UNRECOGNIZABLE, THEY HAVE MET EVERY SINGLE REQUEST OF THE CITY, AND TO MISSES MEISENHEIMER'S POINT, THE REASON THE GOAT IS NOT LISTED ANYWHERE IS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A GOAT ISSUE, LEGALLY, THIS IS THE LAND OWNER, THE LAND IS OWNED BY TOMAHAWK HOLDING, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR TENANT, EXCEPT THAT IT DOES IN THE PUBLIC'S EYE. COVID WAS A STRANGE TIME, PEOPLE WERE VERY HYPERSENSITIVE. I DON'T FAULT ANYBODY FOR WHAT WAS DONE, BUT AT THIS POINT, IT IS OVER . WE HAVE AN OUTSTANDING BUSINESS, SMALL BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHICH HAS SUFFERED THE CONSEQUENCES OF BEING THE BYPRODUCT OF THE ONLY BAR OPEN DURING COVID , AND MANY OF THOSE ISSUES ARE POLICE MATTERS, AND NOT NECESSARILY CITY COUNCIL MATTERS. THERE WAS A QUESTION BROUGHT UP BY MR. BOWEN, THAT SOUND, FOR THE INITIAL COMPLAINERS , WHICH IS NOT A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION, IT DOES SAY, HAVE A VERY ROBUST , LONG AND ROBUST SOUND ORDINANCE, THAT FIXES ANY LIVE MUSIC OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, TYPE OF ISSUE , WITH VERY STOUT FINES IF THEY ARE VIOLATED. AS FAR AS THE TIMES REQUESTED, SETTING HOURS, PERSONALLY I DON'T BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE DICTATING WITH PRIVATE ENTITIES AND SMALL BUSINESSES DO. HOWEVER, PERHAPS MR. CAN SPEAK TO THEIR HOURS. ONE THING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, SHOULD WE PROCEED, IS THE DORA COMMITTEE, THAT COMMITTEE CAN GO THROUGH AND EVALUATE POTENTIAL BLANKET TIME FRAMES , FOR BUSINESSES WITHIN THE DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD ALSO SOLVE THAT. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY BARS IN CARMEL THAT ARE OPEN UNTIL 3:00 A.M. ANYMORE. THERE USED TO BE THREE OF THEM, ONE OF THEM IS OUT OF BUSINESS AND THE OTHER TWO HAVE REMOVED THEIR HOURS. I FEEL THAT THESE COMMITMENTS WERE GOOD AT THE TIME , THEY WERE NEEDED AS AN EMERGENCY WAY TO SOLVE AN ISSUE

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>> FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS DAVE CONST, I WORK WITH A LAW FIRM OF CONST, INKY, AND WHEELER. WE'VE BEEN HERE QUITE A FEW YEARS. I REPRESENT KEVIN PAUL AND TOMAHAWK HOLDINGS THIS EVENING, THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING AT 220 SOUTHWEST FIRST, AS WELL AS THE BUSINESS OWNERS OF THE GOAT. I AM NOT GOING TO BORE YOU, WITH THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN THROUGH OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, THANK YOU, MR. SNYDER, FOR YOUR BRIEF RECAP HOWEVER, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, WITH THE REMOVAL OF THESE COMMITMENTS, THERE IS NO PLAN, NO INTENTION TO INSTALL OUTDOOR SPEAKERS . AS YOU ALL KNOW, SINCE THE 22 TIMEFRAME, MR. PAUL HAS ERECTED A BUILDING, A FULLY ENCLOSED BUILDING TO THE NORTH OF THE OLD BUGS CAFE BUILDING WHICH BECAME THE GOAT. AND SO, THE OUTDOOR SPACE, REALLY, FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITY HAS BEEN OUT REDUCED DRAMATICALLY, AND WHAT IS OUTDOORS WILL BE OUTDOOR SEATING FOR DINING. THERE WON'T BE OUTDOOR GAMES , LIKE I SAY, LOUDSPEAKERS, ET CETERA.

MR. PAUL APOLOGIZES HE COULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING. A LONG-STANDING FAMILY COMMITMENT TOOK HIM OUT OF TOWN, AND SO, THE MESSAGE THAT I WANT TO CONVEY TO YOU AS THE COUNCIL IS, THAT MR. PAUL IS MORE THAN WILLING TO COMPLY WITH THE HOURS STANDARDS ESTABLISHED FOR ALL OTHER BUSINESSES, ALONG THE TRAIL , SPEAKING ABOUT FOR AND HAIL, SUN KING, CANTINA ACROSS THE STREET, FROM BOTH SENDING AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE GOAT, AND TYPICALLY, THOSE HOURS DURING THE WEEK WOULD BE MIDNIGHT, OR 11:00 P.M., DEPENDING ON BUSINESS , AND WEEKENDS, NO LATER THAN 1:00. THERE WILL NO LONGER BE A 3:00 IN THE MORNING BAR SCENE AT THE GOAT. AND I SPOKE ABOUT THE LOUDSPEAKERS, THE HOTLINE WHICH THE ORDINANCE REQUIRED THAT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 22, HAS NEVER BEEN USED. WHICH IS A GOOD THING. AND I CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT, IF ANY POLICE CALLS HAVE ORIGINATED, BECAUSE OF ACTIVITY AT THE GOAT . YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, CLOSING OUTDOOR AT 7:00 P.M. AND MOVING EVERYTHING INSIDE HAS NOT ONLY CURTAILED HIS ABILITY TO COMPETE WITH EVERY OTHER BAR DOWN IN THE AREA, THAT IS OPEN, OUTSIDE, UNTIL 11:00 RECALL GLAUCONITE. AND SO, THAT IS THE MAIN THRUST , SEEKING TO HAVE THESE COMMITMENTS LISTED, AND A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR THE GOAT TO REENGAGE IN OUTDOOR SERVICE ACTIVITY. AND, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK

>> DAVID, YOU CAN HANG OUT THERE, WE ARE GOING TO SEE IF ANY COUNSELORS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OTHER COUNSELOR COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE. DO WE WANT TO GO

DOWN THE LINE? >> I JUST WANTED TO ALSO STATE THAT, I SPOKE TO MR. COHEN, AND HE REITERATED A THANK YOU TO KEVIN PAUL, FOR MAKING THE NEEDED CHANGES , TO BEING CONSTANTLY AVAILABLE , FROM THE GIST OF THIS PHONE CALL, IT APPEARS TO HAVE DEVELOPED A GREAT RELATIONSHIP, IT IS GREAT TO SEE MISSES FLECK HERE WITH THAT SAME SENTIMENT. THE ONE

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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I WILL JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT, I WAS ON THE COUNCIL WHEN THIS WHOLE ISSUE BECAME A PROBLEM, AND I APPRECIATE COUNSELOR SNYDER'S ACTION , TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SO, REALLY, THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH, ONE OF THE MAJOR ISSUES WAS HOURS OF OPERATION, BECAUSE WHEN THE OTHER FACILITIES CLOSED DOWN, EVERYBODY WENT TO THE GOAT, AND THAT IS WHERE ALL THE ACTION WAS, AND WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON THE EAST SIDE, PLUS FROM THE GOAT, THOSE TOWNHOME APARTMENTS, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON THE SOUTH AND RAILYARD APARTMENTS, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST, THE ONLY PLACE WE DON'T HAVE NOW IS TO THE NORTH, CYTOSINE TO MAKE SURE THAT RIGHT NOW, I DID CHECK TODAY AND I ALSO DID SPEAK TO MISSES FLECK AND MR. COHEN, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR RESPONSE TO THIS ISSUE , BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A COMMITMENT FOR THE HOURS. SO, SUN KING AND SOCIAL CANTINA BOTH LIST THEIR HOURS AS -- FORGIVEN HERE, LET ME JUST CHECK. 11:00 ON WEEKNIGHTS AND MIDNIGHT ON WEEKENDS. I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, TO MATCH THE OTHERS, YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO GO TO 1:00 WHICH I AM OKAY WITH I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BEFORE I CAN SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE OF THAT OVERFLOW SITUATION WE RAN INTO LAST TIME AT 1:00, IS THAT THE COMMITMENT ON WEEKENDS?

>> ABSOLUTELY EXPECT GREAT. ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. I APPRECIATE IT, AND I ALSO WANT TO CONGRATULATE MR. PAUL ON THAT BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR STIPULATIONS, WHEN THEY WERE ACTUALLY TURNED DOWN FOR THEIR REZONE, IF YOU BUILD THIS BUILDING, AND YOU DO THESE OTHER THINGS, I THINK THAT WE CAN HAVE THE GOAT OPERATE WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I AM CONFIDENT THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS, KNOWING THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS GOOD

NEIGHBORS. >> ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR DAVE CONST, BEFORE COUNSELORS MAKE GENERAL

COMMENTS? >> YES.

>> COUNSELOR LOCKE? >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AS WE ARE KIND OF GOING THROUGH THIS, ANYTHING THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE INTENT TO MOVE THIS TONIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE GO THROUGH A BIT OF THE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE, JUST TO PUT IT OUT TO INFORM THE PUBLIC AND GO THROUGH WHERE WE HAVE BEEN, HOW THIS PROPOSAL CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2022, WAS PUT TOGETHER, HOW THAT COMPLIANCE HAS BEEN MET, AND WE HAVE HEARD FROM PEOPLE AROUND IT, BUT IF YOU THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO JUST KIND OF VALIDATE THAT PROCEDURE AND PROTOCOL HERE, ON THE RECORD, AND THEN SEE WHAT KIND OF LEGAL RECOURSE MOVING FORWARD IF THIS GOES BACK TO THE REGULAR STRUCTURE AS AN OPERATING BUSINESS, REGULAR PROCEDURES OF THEIR LICENSURE AND THE BUSINESS THAT THEY ARE IN. WHAT KIND OF RECOURSE WILL THERE BE IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, THE ORDINANCE DOES KICK UP, IF THERE IS A SPEAKER THAT IS TOO CLOSE TO OUTSIDE, WHICH IS TOO LOUD, WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE? HOW, AS A COUNSEL, AND I KNOW I AM SENDING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ALL AT ONCE, HOW THE COUNCIL CAN ENSURE, IF A SIMILAR COURSE OF ACTION IS NECESSARY, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE BODY THAT UNDERTAKES THEM, NOR THE RIGHT AFTER OR THE RIGHT STRUCTURE, BE THAT A LICENSURE, CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THE CITY LEVEL, THAT EVERYONE IS KIND OF UP TO SPEED ON WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD. SO, ON THE FRONT END, I THINK HISTORICAL OVERVIEW WOULD BE GOOD FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NEW COUNSELORS AND THEN ON A MOVING FORWARD BASIS, WHAT IS THE RECOURSE AND THE PROCESS FOR THE SITUATION AND OTHER SITUATIONS AS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE, WILL DISCOVER THE WHOLE CITY? I THINK THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC CAN AND SHOULD BE AWARE OF, SO THAT WE KNOW HOW THIS WILL WORK MOVING FORWARD.

>> I WILL START WITH THE ORIGINAL CONVERSION, OF THE CAFE TO THE GOAT, THAT HAPPENED IN THE EARLY 20S , WHEN IN FACT, I THINK THAT THE CITY AIRED IN ALLOWING THE GO TO

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ARE TODAY . >> ONE FOLLOW-UP, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE HOURS SPECIFICALLY, IS THERE A SET HOURS IF THERE IS NOT SOMETHING DONE BY THE DORA OR A PROCESS, THIS BODY'S VERBAL COMMITMENT IS NOT A LEGALLY BINDING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS OKAY, AND PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE , BUT ULTIMATELY JUST WONDERING AS WE LOOK AT THOSE NEXT STEPS, THE IDEA OF THE DORA COMMITTEE HAVING THE POWER TO SET HOURS ON A CITYWIDE LEVEL , AS A WHOLE DIFFERENT KIND OF GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE, AS WE THINK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. BUT, IS THERE A SPECIFIC SUBSET OF HOURS , IS IT 2:00 OR 3:00 I AM IN THE

REGULAR COURSE? OR, IS IT -- >> COULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT?

>> I CAN. THIS IS A TERMINATION OF EXISTING COMMITMENTS WHICH WERE MADE AS A PART OF A REZONE . THE VERBAL COMMITMENT, HERE, CAN BE CONSIDERED AN INDICATION OF INTEREST IN COMMITMENTS WHICH WILL BE ENFORCEABLE AND I BELIEVE THE HOURS ADDRESSED IN COMMITMENT NUMBER TWO -- SORRY, COMMITMENT NUMBER FIVE . SO THAT COMMITMENT, IF THE COUNCIL SO WISHES, CAN BE MODIFIED, TO INCLUDE NEW HOURS AND IT WILL BE ENFORCEABLE AGAINST THE

OWNER OF THE GOAT. >> OKAY, AND AS A PROCESS OF RECORD HERE, I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THAT WE AMEND ORDINANCE THE DECISION HERE IS TO ELIMINATE PROVISIONS, I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A PATH FORWARD, AND ANY QUESTIONS WILL PROBABLY COME UP AGAIN AS WE TALK ABOUT THE DORA, JUST UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE SIT AS A CITY, THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE APPLYING TO THIS SPECIFIC SUBSET OF OUR

COMMUNITY. >> COUNSELOR MORALE? THANK YOU,

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>> AND WE ARE HAPPY TO SUBMIT THAT IN A WRITTEN COMMITMENT.

ASSUMING THIS ORDINANCE TO REMOVE OR TERMINATE PASSES.

>> ARE WE ASKING FOR A WRITTEN COMMITMENT OR ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION TO AMEND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US?

>> I THINK MR. SNYDER WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, THIS IS HIS

ORDINANCE. >> COUNSELOR SNYDER?

>> PART OF MY POINT, HERE, IS THAT I DON'T THINK COMMITMENTS FOR A TENANT SHOULD BE PLACED UPON THE LANDOWNERS NEEDS. SO, IF THERE IS A COMMITMENT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE BUSINESS ENTITY OUTSIDE OF THIS ORDINANCE WHICH IS ON A LANDOWNER, I DIDN'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THE REASONS, BUT , COMMITMENTS ON A LANDOWNER WITH THE BUSINESS THAT IS HIS TENANT, IS JUST NOT A PRECEDENCE I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE GOING THROUGH. NOW, IF MR. KENT SAYS HIS CLIENT, THE TENANT WANTS TO CREATE A WRITTEN COMMITMENT OR SOMETHING LEGALLY BINDING, CERTAINLY, BUT IT IS MY INTENT THAT IT WOULD ALL GO AWAY . I WANT TO CLARIFY, MR. LOCHHEAD SAID -- COUNSELOR LOCHHEAD SAID SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD SET HOURS, AND I WANT TO CLARIFY, THAT COMMITTEE IS THERE TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC, ASSESS THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, AND -- IF THERE IS A COUNSELOR CHAIRING THE COMMITTEE WHO CAN INTRODUCE LEGISLATION TO US, IF NOT THEN IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ALLEGEDLY THE BODY, BUT AS FAR AS MAKING THAT KIND OF A LEGISLATIVE CHANGE, I DON'T THINK THAT IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW, BUT SOME OTHER THINGS ARE. JUST TO

CLARIFY THAT. >> SO, I GUESS I'M GOING TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THE LAND THING, BECAUSE WE JUST, TWO MEETINGS AGO, ALL VOTED ON COMMITMENTS ABOUT RETAIL COMMERCIAL SPACE . IT IS VERY CUSTOMARY TO DO MAINTENANCE BASED ON HOW THE LAND IS GOING TO BE USED, SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, NOW IF YOU WANT TO PUSH BACK ON THAT, OR YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE TENANT, BUT YOU KNOW, TO ME, THE LAND IS -- WE JUST DID IT WITH THE DAYCARE WHERE WE ALL VOTED AGAINST THAT. SO, THAT IS HOW I SEE IT.

>> MR. PRESIDENT-ELECT CLARIFY ONE POINT AS WELL, SINCE THIS IS A REASON, WE ARE DEALING WITH A REZONE, ANY COMMITMENTS WOULD HAVE TO RUN THROUGH THE LAND AND WOULD HAVE TO BE TIED TO OWNERSHIP OF A PARTICULAR PARCEL WHICH IS BEING REZONED.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE MR. SNYDER'S COMMENTS, HERE, CHANGE BETWEEN THE TENANT AND THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO, THE TENANT AND THE OWNER IS THE SAME, BUT AS FAR AS REASONING COMMITMENT SCALE, WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE LAND AND AS MR. MOREL INDICATED, THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS QUITE FREQUENTLY THAT COUNSEL DOES CONSIDER REASONS, BUT HIS BUSINESS CHANGES IN THE FUTURE, THE PETITIONER, THE FUTURE OWNER CAN COME IN FRONT OF YOU AND PETITION AGAIN, OR, IT CAN BE DONE ON YOUR OWN

INITIATIVE . >> COUNSELOR SNYDER?

>> YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT. I THINK THE ANOMALY HERE WAS TAKING AN EXISTING TENANT, CHANGING LAND COMMITMENTS, AS A PSEUDO-PENALTY FOR THAT TENANT, THERE WERE NO LEASES EXECUTED, THERE WAS NO -- TO YOUR POINT, COUNSELOR, WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. WE MAKE LAND COMMITMENTS ON WHAT TYPES OF TENANTS WE WANT IN THERE, OR IS BEST FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T THINK WE DO IT WHEN THE TENANT HAS ALREADY ACTED VERY OFTEN.

>> JUST ONE FINAL COMMENT , POINT OF VERIFICATION AS WELL, IT CAN ALSO WORK IN THE REVERSE, AS WELL. IF YOU DECIDE TO TERMINATE THE COMMITMENT, AND THEN PERHAPS SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK OUT, YOU CAN USE THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM ON

THE CITY AS WELL. >> COUNSELOR WORLD?

>> AND I KNOW IF I SHOULD ASK THIS QUESTION OR NOT, BUT, I WILL. CAN YOU TELL ME -- SO, ORIGINALLY, WHEN THE LIQUOR LICENSE WAS GRANTED, IT WAS FROM THE CITY. IT CAN BE FOR COUNSEL, AND IT WAS TO SMOKE AND BARREL RESTAURANT GROUP

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? >> NOT THE LIQUOR LICENSE ITSELF, THAT WOULD BE PREROGATIVE FOR THE EXCISE , THE INDIANA ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO COMMISSION. SO, AS MR. CONST INDICATED, FOR A MECHANISM TO ENFORCE CITY CODE, BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY DOCUMENT WHICH REGULATES THE GOAT ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. WE CAN -- THE CITY CAN REGULATE NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH COUNSELOR SNYDER INDICATED THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST CONFERENCE OF NOISE ORDINANCES IN CENTRAL INDIANA.

SO IT WOULD BE EASY TO VIOLATE, IF THE GOAT STEPS OUT OF THE ORDINANCE. THERE IS ALSO GENERAL YOU SINCE WHICH COVERS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE LOITERING , OVER ISSUES THAT HAPPENED IN A PARTICULAR SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME DURING COVID, AND OTHERS, AS WELL, IT IS A VERY LONG LIST OF NUISANCES, BUT THERE IS ALSO CRIMINAL CODE. SO, IF THERE ARE ANY VIOLATIONS OF THAT , THE STATE WILL BE INVOLVED, AND ON TOP OF THAT, ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO COMMISSION OF THE STATE OF INDIANA WHICH ISSUES ALCOHOL LICENSES AND THAT WILL BE REGULATED ON THAT LEVEL. AND THEN IF THAT WASN'T ENOUGH, YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF ORDINANCES FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION LATER TONIGHT, WHICH IS AN OUTDOOR FRESHMAN AREA, AND THE GOAT WILL BE WITHIN THAT , WAITING FOR THE DETERMINATION HERE , WHICH WOULD IMPOSE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS, AS TO TO GO CONTAINERS AND TO GO ALCOHOL. SO, THERE ARE SEVERAL LEVELS OF ENFORCEMENT AND REGULATION, THE CITY IS JUST ONE OF SEVERAL.

>> COUNSELOR? >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS, AND THEY ARE DIRECTLY CORRELATED TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT RYAN SAID, AND COUNSELOR WORRELL SET AS WELL. I SEE THIS AS A PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE, AND TO ME IT IS KIND OF COMPARABLE TO HLA'S AND CCR'S JUST LIKE YOU REFERENCED WITH THE JACKSON GRANT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WHEN YOU BREAK YOUR CCR IS, YOU TRY TO DO SOMETHING, OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE THAT RUN THERE, THERE IS A PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOW. AND SO, I THINK THAT WITH COUNSELOR SNYDER TALKING ABOUT PULLING BACK RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE PUT ON A PARCEL OF PROPERTY, THEN AT THIS POINT, WHO HAVE PROVEN THAT THEY CAN LIVE AND BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, I THINK IT IS -- I THINK IT IS A REASONABLE ASK, AT THIS POINT. I FEEL LIKE THE COMMITMENTS MADE ARE BEING UPHELD, ESPECIALLY WITH THE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, AND ALSO, WITH THE HOURS THAT COMMITMENT WAS MADE IN MARCH OF 2022, AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO REFERENCE SOMETHING THAT COUNSELOR WORRELL SAID BACK THEN, WHICH WAS, WHEN YOU MOVE INTO AN AREA, IN DOWNTOWN CARMEL , YOU RUN THE RISK BASICALLY OF KNOWING WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE LIVING NEXT TO. SO TO ME IT IS MORE ABOUT A PROPERTY RIGHT ISSUE. AND YOU.

>> COUNSELOR JOSHI? >> SO, I DO WANT TO REITERATE THAT MY CONCERN IS THE INTENT OF TAKING CARE OF OUR NEIGHBORS, AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE AFFECTED BY THAT HAVE SPOKEN THIS EVENING THAT THEY ARE TENTATIVELY OR HOWEVER SHE PUT IT, ARE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS, IN FACT COMPLIED WITH THE REGULATIONS PUT UPON THEM. I THINK, THOUGH, THAT THE HISTORICAL REFERENCE OF THIS, THAT COUNSELOR LOCKE MADE IS VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF AN INCORRECT DECISION, ARE NOW COMING BACK TO US, IN A SPACE WHICH MAKES IT VERY COLLOCATED.

SO, IT IS IMPORTANT, I THINK, SOMETIMES, TO TAKE THE TIME NECESSARY, TO LOOK THROUGH ISSUES, AND WORK THROUGH POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES OF AN ISSUE , BECAUSE THERE IS DEFINITELY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BOB'S DAYTIME RESTAURANT AND A NIGHTTIME BAR SCENE. AND SO, I THINK LOOKING CAREFULLY AT THESE THINGS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT IN HAVING THE KIND OF STRONG RECOURSE THAT THE ATTORNEY HAS ADVISED US WE HAVE, AND CAN SATISFY MOVING THIS FORWARD, BUT I THINK THE

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OCCUR AGAIN. >> BEFORE WE MOVE ON, SO ORIGINALLY, I INTENDED TO SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE BASED ON TALKING TO COUNSELORS FOR THE MEETING, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT COUNSELORS SAID THEY WOULD HAVE . HEARING SOME OF THE DIALOGUE, IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ARE BEING ANSWERED, BUT, WHATEVER IS THE WILL OF THE COMMITTEE BEFORE WE GET INTO POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS OR MAKING A MOTION, SPEAK UP, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE US TO SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE. IF NOT, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON, IF COUNSELORS WANT TO MAKE ANY OTHER STATEMENTS OR IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER MOTIONS FOR EMINENCE THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, FOR ANY MOTION TO ACT ON THIS.

COUNSELOR WORRELL? >> I WOULD ASK WHEN A MOTION IS MADE, IF THIS DOES PASS, TO CONSIDER, TONIGHT, THE MOTION WOULD INCLUDE THE HOURS LANGUAGE THAT WE JUST

DISCUSSED. >> DO WE WANT TO VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT NOW? AFTER WE SUSPEND THE RULES WE CAN TALK ON THAT .

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES?

>> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE.

>> PASSING UNANIMOUSLY. NOW, WE ARE ABLE TO ACT ON THIS, THIS EVENING, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO DISCUSS ANY POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS

TO THE ORDINANCE? >> MR. PRESIDENT , I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE CURRENT ORDINANCE , SIMPLY TO INCLUDE MAXIMUM HOURS OF OPERATION, CORRECT ME FIND THINGS WRONG, MIDNIGHT THROUGH THE WEEK, 1:00 A.M. ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? WOULD YOU LIKE ANY COMMENT OR DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY. PLEASE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. PASSING ENDLESSLY, NOW, ACTING ON THE AMENDED ORDINANCE, BEFORE WE GO TO A FINAL VOTE, DOES ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENTS OR STATEMENT ON THE ISSUE? COUNSELOR SNYDER?

>> I LIKE TO THINK THIS BODY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN WORKED ON FOR A WHILE, WE'VE SPOKEN WITH THE MAYOR ABOUT IT AT LENGTH, SHE ADVISED TAKING HER TIME ON IT, MANY COUNSELORS HAVE ADVISED SEVERAL THINGS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES ARE ON AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD, AND I THINK THAT, AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT TOPIC OF DISCUSSION , EVERYBODY IS PLAYING TOGETHER BY THE SAME RULES AND THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO I THINK THIS BODY FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING, AND INSISTENCE, THROUGH ALL OF THIS, THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WILL HAND OFF THE GAVEL, AND MAKE A COMMENT OF MY OWN. SO, I WAS INITIALLY VERY TOUGH ON THE GOAT DURING THE REZONING PROCESS, WE ASK FOR A LOT OF STRONG COMMITMENTS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORS WERE HAPPY WITH WHAT HAPPENED, I WAS VERY INSISTENT ON THE HOURS BEING SHORTER, BECAUSE I SAW THAT AS AN ISSUE WHERE, WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE LAST STOP ON A BAR CRAWL, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO LEND TO SOME PROBLEMS, BUT THE HOURS AND THE NOISE WERE TWO THINGS THAT WE WERE REALLY WORKING WITH, BUILDING THAT EXPANSION HAS REALLY CUT DOWN THE NOISE, AND SHORTENING THE HOURS, I WENT AND VISITED , IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CLIENTELE ATMOSPHERE ATTENDING THE GOAT, NOW, THEN MAYBE PREVIOUSLY. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY EMAILS OR CALLS OR COMPLAINTS. AND FOR THOSE THAT WERE ON THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME, LET ME TELL YOU, WE WERE INUNDATED. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN TWO PEOPLE LIVING NEARBY THAT WERE MORE VOCAL, BUT IT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE, IN THE AREA, AND HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE AREA, BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING, BUT I HAVE TO REALLY GIVE KEVIN PAUL AND HIS TEAM, CREDIT, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY COMPLAINTS, THEY HAVE ABIDED BY EVERYTHING, AND , WE

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>> ME FOR APPROVAL. >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE. THIS TEST IS 9-0. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> 8-0 TONIGHT. SORRY, WE ARE

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COMMITTEE. COUNSELOR SNYDER? >> IT DAWNED ON ME WHEN I ASKED TO REARRANGED THE AGENDA THAT I SHOULD HAVE SWITCHED THIS ONE AND THE OTHER ONE. THIS ORDINANCE AMENDS A PROHIBITION ON CERTAIN SECTIONS, THE INTENT OF THIS IS IN CONCURRENCE WITH ITEM C , IT IS JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO CROSS AREAS , AND DURING EVENTS SUCH AS HELD ON MAY, CARMEL FEST, ANY OF THE OTHER HUNDREDS OF EVENTS WE HAVE, CANNOT GET AROUND WITHOUT WALKING, THIS RECTIFIES THAT ONLY FOR THE AREAS WITHIN THE DORA BOUNDARIES, WHICH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE , CARMEL DRIVE WOULD BE THE SOUTHERN BORDER , AND FIRST CORRECTIONS ARE GOOD, I'M LOOKING AT YOU, FIRST STREET .

>> IT IS MISSING MAINSTREET, I BELIEVE.

>> AND, BISECTING. FIRST STREET, AS THE NORTHERN BORDER OF WHERE THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED . I DO HAVE PERMISSION TO SAY THAT OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR, MICHAEL SUPPORTS

THIS. >> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> COUNSELOR SNYDER MOVED TO APPROVE . ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE.

>> ALL RIGHT, THIS PASSES 6-2. NEXT UP ON OUR AGENDA IS THE SECOND READING -- SORRY, THIRD READING OF ORDINANCE D 2718 34, ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, ESTABLISHING ANOTHER REFRESHMENT AREA, SPONSORS ARE WHIRLS, SNYDER, AUSTIN, AND TAYLOR, THIS ALSO RETURNS FROM THE LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE. COUNSELOR

SNYDER? >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

THIS ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES A DESIGNATED OUTDOOR REFRESHMENT AREA IN THE CITY'S CENTRAL CORE, PURSUANT TO INDIANA CODE 7.1 DASH THREE E- 31 . THIS WAS IN LAND-USE, AND IT CAME OUT OF LAND-USE, WITH A 3-1 FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, WITH SOME STIPULATIONS. THOSE DELETIONS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE, AND THEY INCLUDE THE CREATION OF A DORA COMMITTEE, WHERE THE PUBLIC WOULD BE ABLE TO PUBLICLY PRESENT ANY CONCERNS TO THE COMMITTEE , THIS COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED TO MEET A MINIMUM OF TWO TIMES PER YEAR, BUT REALLY IT WILL BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. IT COULD BE AS OFTEN AS THEY DEEM NECESSARY OR WANT . THE COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF THREE APPOINTMENTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, ONE HAPPENED TO BE A PERMIT HOLDER IN THE DISTRICT, TWO APPOINTMENTS FROM THE

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MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. >> ALL RIGHT. SURROGATE, DO WE

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COMMITTEE? >> IF I MAY, FOR TWO MINOR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MISSED, ONE IS, THE COUNCIL SHALL HAVE FINAL APPROVAL OF FINAL DESIGN, AND THE LABEL STICKER, SO I DECIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SPECIFIC ITEM WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU IF THAT ACCOMMODATION IS APPROVED BY YOU. AND I KNEW I HAD ONE MORE, YES, AND THE LOCAL APPROVING BODY WILL BE REWARDED FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND SAFETY, SECTION NUMBER 12, AND THEN FINALLY, WE RECEIVED MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS FROM DESIGNATED GUARANTEES, ALL OF THEM ARE LISTED IN SECTION 11, WITH THE COMMITTEE THERE WERE ONLY FOUR, NOW THERE ARE 12 THE ADDITIONAL ONES INCLUDE MODERATE COASTAL CUISINE, WINE AND RIND , HOTEL CARMICHAEL, BEACH CANDLE COMPANY, SAVER RESTAURANT, A NAMI RESTAURANT SUSHI AND SAKE BAR, AND SOCIAL CANTINA . SO RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 12. IF WE CALCULATE THE TWO OTHER SEPARATE ENTITIES, THEN 13.

>> COUNSEL TAYLOR? >> JUST ONE CLERICAL --, IT SAYS ON SECTION 13 OF THE COMMITTEE, THAT -- ONE SHALL BE APPOINTED BY THE HAMILTON COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE? THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE RETITLED , JUST CLERICAL.

>> MAKE SURE ALL THE COUNSELORS HAVE HAVE THE REDLINE VERSION, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES, BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION TO AMEND?

COUNSELOR SNYDER? >> I'M SORRY, MR. PRESIDENT BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, FOR SERGEI. SECTION 5, NUMBER 4C, IN EFFECT UNLESS MODIFIED BY THE MAYOR. IS THAT INDIANA CODE, THAT THE MAYOR HAS THE AUTHORITY ? ONLY BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS A LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

>> I WILL HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, I SIMPLY CANNOT RECALL IF THAT IS IN STATUTE OR IF IT WAS ADDED AS A PART OF THE DRAFTING PROCESS, BUT I CAN GET AN ANSWER TO THAT

AND LET YOU KNOW. >> OKAY. AND THEN, ALSO FOLLOWING UP ON COUNSELOR TAYLORS , I HAD READ IN HERE ON THE MAKE UP OF THE BOARD, IT SAYS, FOR THE STREET DEPARTMENT, SHALL BE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE STREET DEPARTMENT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COMMITTEE I THOUGHT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO LIVE IN CARMEL.

>> THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL OF THE APPOINTEES TO LIVE

IN CARMEL. >> IS THERE? I'M SORRY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I AM SATISFIED. >> I HAD ONE QUESTION. THIS DOESN'T CHANGE IT BUT SURROGATE, WHAT HAPPENS IF A BUSINESS GOES OUT OF BUSINESS, OR ABUSES THEIR LICENSE, DO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THEM?

>> IF A LICENSE IS LOST THEN THE BUSINESS WOULD LOSE ITS PRIVILEGES. IF A BUSINESS GOES OUT OF BUSINESS, BUT THEN A SIMILAR TYPE OF BUSINESS WILL TAKE ITS PLACE, THEN THE ONLY APPROVAL WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THE LOCAL APPROVING BODY, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE DECIMATED PERMIT FOR THE INDIANA ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO COMMISSION.

>> OKAY, SO WE DON'T EVER HAVE TO TAKE ACTION?

>> COUNSELOR MINNAAR? >> I HAVE A QUESTION LEADING BACK TO THE ANSWER FORM, IT'S A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION, WHICH IS, IF SOMEONE USES A CUP FROM ANOTHER RESTAURANT, I WILL JUST USE SAVER, AND IN THE GRATUITIES, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO BRING THAT? IS IT SOMETHING THAT -- PERSONAL PRIVATE

BUSINESS? >> IT IS ADDRESSED IN THE STATUTE, AND IT WOULD BE UP TO SPECIFIC BUSINESSES. IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC SECTION IN STATUTE THAT SAYS, IF A BUSINESS THAT IS SERVING ALCOHOL, AS WELL, THEY CAN PROHIBIT ENTRY OF OUTSIDE BEVERAGES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE DORA BEVERAGES. SO THAT SECTION IS INTENTIONAL, THAT WILL ALLOW BUSINESSES WHO SERVE ALCOHOL TO REFUSE ENTRY WITH A DESIGNATED

CUP. >> CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT

INDIANA CODE IS? >> THAT IS INDIANA 7.1 DASH

THREE DESK ONE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT WOULD APPLY FOR BOTH BUSINESSES EVEN IF ONE IS IN

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AND WANTED OUT? >> IT WILL ONLY APPLY TO BUSINESSES WHO ARE INSIDE, SIMPLY, THE PATRONS CANNOT BRING IN ALCOHOL PURCHASED OUTSIDE, IT WOULDN'T APPLY.

>> TO CLARIFY ON THAT, JUST TELL ME IF THIS IS CORRECT, BUSINESSES CAN SAY HEY, IF YOU HAVE AN ART GALLERY AND YOU WERE LIKE WE DON'T SERVE ALCOHOL BUT IF YOU WALK IN WITH A CUP WE DON'T CARE, THAT IS UP TO THE BUSINESS. BUT THAT SAME OUT TELL ART GALLERIES AS WE DON'T WANT IT IN OUR PLACE, THAT IS UP TO THEM, IF A BUSINESS WHO SERVES FOOD AND ALCOHOL WANT TO ALLOW YOU TO BRING IN A CUP, THEY CAN. IF THEY WANT TO SAY, NO, YOU HAVE TO BUY OUR CUP OR WE DON'T SELL CUPS, AND WE DON'T WANT THEM IN HERE, THAT IS ALSO

THERE RIGHT? >> SO, TWO QUESTIONS HERE.

FIRST, YES, BUSINESSES CAN CHOOSE WHETHER TO ALLOW THE LRA CUPS INSIDE THEIR BUSINESSES. IF YOU ARE A GALLERY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DON'T SERVE ALCOHOL, YOU DON'T HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE, YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES THAT YOU CAN ALLOW CUPS TO BE BROUGHT IN TO YOUR ESTABLISHMENT, OR, YOU CAN HAVE A SIGN WHICH IS ALSO REQUIRED, TO SAY HEY, PLEASE KEEP YOUR CUPS OUTSIDE. SO, IT IS ENTIRELY YOUR CHOICE. AS FAR AS SERVING CUPS, THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT IS TO BE EITHER A DESIGNATED PERMITTEE, A BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENT , WITHIN DORA, OR THE VENDOR, WHICH IS A TEMPORARY LICENSE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ADDRESSING A VERY SPECIFIC SCENARIO, IF YOU HAVE A GALA OR A REOPENING OR SOME SORT OF EVENT, AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND SELL THEM ON SITE, THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO DO IT. FIRST YOU CAN JUST DO IT HOWEVER YOU WERE DOING IT BEFORE, INVITE THE VENDOR WITH A TEMPORARY LICENSE, WHICH IS UPDATED EXCISED THROUGH THE ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO COMMISSION, OR, YOU CAN GET ONE OF THE TEMPORARY VENDORS WHO ARE A PART OF DORA ON TOP OF THAT BECAUSE THIS IS THE CASE, THEN INDIVIDUALS WHO PURCHASE A DORA DESIGNATED BEVERAGE CAN BRING IT OUTSIDE. TO SUMMARIZE, THERE IS A LOT OF CHOICE, FOR BOTH DESIGNATED PERMITTEES, YOUR BRICK AND MORTAR STORES, SERVING ALCOHOL AT BEVERAGES AT LIQUOR LICENSE BARS AND RESTAURANTS, TO ALLOW OR TO DISALLOW PATRONS WITH DORA CUPS, BUT SOME OF THE SAME GOES FOR NON-SERVING ALCOHOLIC ESTABLISHMENTS, GALLERIES OR SHOPS , WHATEVER ELSE IS DECIDED TO ALLOW OR DISALLOW THOSE CUPS AND ON TOP OF THAT, USE VENDORS , TEMPORARY PERMITTEES TO SERVE ALCOHOL IN THE ESTABLISHMENT AS THEY WERE

. >> COUNSELOR TAYLOR? ANY

QUESTION? >> I JUST HAD A COMMENT, AND I WANT TO THANK THE COMMITTEE AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN TO A NUMBER OF DORA AND OHIO AND NORTH CAROLINA, THE STICKER, I THINK, IS MUCH BETTER FOR ENFORCEMENT, PARTICULARLY IF THE STICKER HAS THE TIME, PLACE, AND LOCATION OF THE BEVERAGE WAS SERVED, IF THAT PERSON GETS OUT OF LINE IT IS EASIER TO TRACK BACK TO THE ESTABLISHMENT THAT SERVE THAT PERSON THE LIQUOR . SO, I APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE FOR MAKING THE CHANGE. I THINK IT WILL BE MUCH MORE FUNCTIONAL AND ALLOW BETTER ENFORCEMENT, THANK YOU.

>> BEFORE WE AMEND THIS, I CHECKED WITH SERGEY ABOUT THE COMMITTEE, AND WE CANNOT FORM THAT UNTIL AFTER THIS HAS PASSED AND THEN SIGNED BY THE MAYOR . AFTER THAT, WE WILL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COUNCIL , AND WILL WORK WITH EVERYONE ELSE, TALKING WITH SOME COUNSELORS, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT COUNSELOR WORLD BE ONE OF OUR APPOINTEES TO CHAIR THE COMMITTEE, I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA, WE CANNOT AFFORD CONFIRM THAT UNTIL AFTER THIS WAS SIGNED AT THE NEXT MEETING, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS? >> WELL, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP MR. PRESIDENT, YES, COUNSELOR WORLD HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND I CANNOT THINK OF ANYONE ELSE WHO IS MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE, AND IS THE COMMUNITY AND WOULD BE BETTER EQUIPPED TO CHAIR THIS COMMITTEE, THEN COUNSELOR WORLD. SO I DID INTEND, OR HOPE THAT YOU WOULD MOVE TO NAME COUNSELOR WORLD IS THE CHAIRMAN.

>> IF HE ACCEPTS. >> WIMMER CLARIFICATION, THE

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SO, WE DON'TKNOW HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE. WE KNOW THAT ATC IS EXCITED THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUESTS COMING FROM CARMEL BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF REQUESTS THAT REQUIRE TEMPORARY LICENSING. BUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE BUT I KNOW THAT THE MOST RECENT ONE TOOK UP TO TWO MONTHS, BUT THAT WAS OVER A HOLIDAY PERIOD , AND IT WAS THEIR SECOND, SO HOPEFULLY

HOURS WILL BE SHORTER. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND, WITH A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP ?

>> SO MOVED. >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S VOTE ON AMENDING THE ORDINANCE. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE AMENDED ORDINANCE. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO VOTE? COUNSELOR LOT?

>> TWO FINAL CLARIFICATIONS HERE. WE TALK ABOUT A TEMPORARY VENDOR, VERSUS A PERMIT -- WITH THE NAME -- DESIGNATED PERMIT, TEMPORARY VENDORS THE SAME PROCESS , WITH WINETASTING ON MAIN, ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE THE TEMPORARY PERMIT, VENDORS GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESSTHEY GO THROUGH NOW, THEY HAVE THE SAME PRIVILEGES AND PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE PRESENTLY, SAVANNA

CONSIDERED AN OUTSIDE VENDOR? >> CORRECT. SO, THINK -- CHRIS KENDALL MARKED WITH A COUPLE OF VENDORS, WITH CARMEL BUSINESSES BUT THEY CAN STILL USE THEIR LICENSING AND APPLY FOR A TEMPORARY VENDOR PERMIT, THE VERBIAGE IS A LITTLE BIT COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT VENDORS MEAN TEMPORARY LICENSE HOLDERS.

PERMITTEES ARE BRICK-AND-MORTAR , SO THAT PORTION WILL ALLOW A LOT OF FLEX ABILITY THROUGH A LOT OF EVENTS AND FESTIVALS TO TAKE PLACE IN CARMEL, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO BRICK-AND-MORTAR ESTABLISHMENTS.

>> OKAY, AND THEN A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO THAT, AS WE LOOK AT EVENTS WHERE, LET'S SAY IT IS A GAZEBO , THE OPEN CARRY PROCESS IS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW PRESENTLY, RIGHT, SO YOU CAN THEORETICALLY BRING YOUR ONLINE AND DATE NIGHT ON THE GAZEBO LAWN, THAT IS STRUCTURALLY WITHIN THE DORA SO IT GOES AWAY AND YOU HAVE TO PURCHASE ALL ALCOHOL FROM VENDORS OR DESIGNATED PERMITTEES FROM HERE ON OUT?

>> CORRECT. >> IF I MAY, WITH ONE MORE REQUEST, IF YOU CAN INCLUDED IN THE MOTION IT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL, IT IS TO DESIGNATE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, TO FINALIZE THE DORA MAP, THE ONLY THING WE WOULD NEED TO DO WITH IT IS TO PUT DEPICTIONS OF WHERE THE BUSINESSES ARE, WE ARE WAITING UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE TO DO SO BECAUSE WE ARE HOPING TO GET MORE APPLICATIONS IN, RATHER THAN COMING BACK TO YOU, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT FINAL AMENDMENT TO THE MAP, JUST FOR THE DEPICTIONS OF WHERE PERMITTEES ARE.

>> MOVED TO AMEND. >> ALL RIGHT, VOTING ON AMENDING THE ORDINANCE? YOU GOT IT? IT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT

PASSES AMENDED . COUNSELOR? >> SORRY, I HAVE ONE FOLLOW-UP ON THAT THOUGHT PROCESS, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS RESTRICTS DRINKING IN THE CENTRAL CORE , IT CREATES A NEW PROCESS WHERE WE HAVE AN ENFORCEABLE ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS FOR DRINKING OUTSIDE ALCOHOL IN THAT CENTRAL CORRIDOR ?

>> THAT IS ESSENTIALLY CORRECT, THERE IS NO OPEN CONTAINER LAW IN THE STATE OF INDIANA AS MANY OF US LEARNED FOR THE FIRST TIME DURING THE SUPER BOWL, AND TO THIS DAY, THERE IS NO OPEN CONTAINER LAW IN THE STATE OF INDIANA, DORA REFERS TO SPECIFIC AREAS, AND OF COURSE IT WILL COME DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL ENFORCEMENT, BUT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT , BUT YES, ESSENTIALLY, IT WILL ELIMINATE OPEN CONTAINER -- OR RATHER, IT WILL ADD CERTAIN PROHIBITIONS ON DRINKING YOUR OWN ALCOHOL .

>> THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION THERE, AS WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF THIS DISTRICT, THIS IS A LARGE, NEAR SQUARE THAT COVERS A LOT OF THE CITY. DO WE NEED TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING APPROVAL BY THE STATE GOVERNMENT IF WE WANT TO AMEND THAT MAP TO BE MORE NUANCED? OR, DO WE HAVE

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>> YOU CAN AMEND IT OR INTRODUCE OTHERS, BUT YOU CAN SHRINK IT, IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY ATC AS WELL BUT I'M SURE THE PROCESS CAN BE CONSIDERABLY EASIER BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF DEFERENCE TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT HAVE THE SITUATION ON THE GROUND. YOU CAN AMEND THE ORDINANCE AT ANY TIME, YOU CAN AMEND THE MAP AT ANY TIME. SO, DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING SET IN STONE

FOREVER. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, ONE STATEMENT I WANT TO MAKE ON THAT, I KNOW COUNSELOR SNYDER AND LAUREL , POLICE ALWAYS ENFORCE ALL THE LAWS, BUT OUR POLICE HAVE DISCRETION, WHICH MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, USUALLY, THEY DON'T GO AROUND LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CAUSING TROUBLE. SO, I WOULD SUPPORT KEEPING THE MAP AS IT IS, AND IF WE NEED TO AMEND IT DOWN THE ROAD, WE CAN . AND I KNOW OF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

>> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNSELOR SNYDER AND I WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT THE TECHNICALITY , AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE, IF THIS GOES INTO THE PAPER THAT WE DON'T GET BLASTED, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN -- I DON'T KNOW IF MAYOR FANKAM WILL AGREE WITH ME ON THIS, BUT WE HAVE BEEN ALLOWING AND ENCOURAGING -- WE WERE ON THE FIRST PORCH FEST COMMITTE WHERE WE SAID BRING YOUR OWN ALCOHOL, SO IT IS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT. RIGHT NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS NO PLAN TO ENFORCE , IF SOMEONE WERE TO BRING THEIR COOLER INTO A GAZEBO CONCERT AND HAVE THEIR OWN ALCOHOL. THAT HAS BEEN OUR UNDERSTANDING TO THIS PROCESS.

>> ON TO ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT, THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

AGAIN, I THINK THAT THIS GOES BACK TO MY EARLIER COMMENT OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF PASSING SOMETHING THAT MAY LEAD TO ENFORCEMENT IN A UNCLEAR WAY. I THINK THAT YOU OPEN THE DOOR TO THAT CONVERSATION WHEN YOU SAY , WE ARE GOING TO PASS AN ORDINANCEWHICH RESTRICTS PEOPLE'S FREEDOM TO BRING THEIR WINE OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, TO CITY EVENTS AS THEY HAVE DONE FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS , AND THEN, YOU ARE RELYING ON THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE THAT. I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT, FUNDAMENTALLY.

>> COUNSELOR SNYDER, THEN COUNSELOR TAYLOR.

>> I APPRECIATE COUNSELOR JOSHI'S SENTIMENTS.

UNFORTUNATELY, AS A BYPRODUCT OF TRYING TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESS, AND THE PRODUCT AS CREATED, WE DON'T GET TO MERGE THE LAWS, WE GET TO LOOK AT THEM AND PICK, BUT SELECT THEM AS WE THINK BEST, AND I DON'T THINK YOUR ALCOHOL IS A CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM. IT IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK IT IS , WE ARE HOLY NOT GOING TO ENFORCE IT.

IT IS, IS IF YOU ARE A RESPONSIBLE, FUNCTIONING ADULT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WORKS VERY HARD TO PROTECT US, AND WOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING FOR OTHER THINGS, BEFORE APPROACHING SOMEBODY BECAUSE I HAVE A BOTTLE OF WINE, AS THE STATE CONTINUES TO WORK THROUGH CHANGES IN THE PROCESS AND EVERYTHING, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOBBY AND TALK TO , AND WORK ON, BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF A AREA WHERE IT DOES NOT MAKE COGNITIVE SENSE, TO DR. JOSHI'S POINT, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, NOW YOU DON'T BECAUSE YOU LEAVE THIS AREA, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK WE ARE PASSING AN ORDINANCE JUST TO NOT ENFORCE IT, WE ARE PASSING AN ORDINANCE TO GRANT MORE ENFORCEMENT, AS I SAID EARLIER, TO GIVE POLICE OFFICERS SOME LEEWAY TO NOT JUST PUT SOMEBODY IN JAIL BECAUSE THEY HAD A LITTLE TOO MUCH TO DRINK, THIS GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO CITE THEM FOR A MORE MINOR OFFENSE.

>> WELL SAID, THANK YOU. COUNSELOR TAYLOR?

>> A QUESTION FOR SERGEI, THEN. WOULD A SIMPLE FIX BE TO ALLOW THE BOARD OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WHEN ISSUING THE USE OF PUBLIC SPACE , SUCH AS THE GAZEBO CONCERTS , NONPROFIT OR THE CHRIS KENDALL MARK OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WHATEVER ORGANIZATION IT MAY BE, TO ALLOW THE OUTSIDE USE OF -- OUTSIDE BRINGING IN

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>> UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS NO REALLY CLEAR PROVISION IN THE STATUTE. IN THE STATE STATUTE,

>> THANK YOU. >> I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT, TO COUNSELOR SNYDER'S POINT, THIS IS MAYBE A BAD ANALOGY, BUT I WILL GO WITH IT, YEARS AGO, WE PASSED A SPAY AND NEUTER LAW IN THE CITY OF CARMEL THAT SAYS THAT EVERYBODY IN CARMEL HAS TWO, UNLESS YOU ARE A BREEDER AND YOU GET A PERMIT, YOU MUST SPAY OR NEUTER YOUR PETS. THE LAW IS ENFORCED.

BUT, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE GO DOOR-TO-DOOR , KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR AND ASKING TO SEE YOUR PET AND CHECK TO SEE IF YOUR PET HAS ITS BALLS. TO USE THAT LANGUAGE. IF YOU ARE NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM, THEN USUALLY, WE DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO GO OUT LOOKING FOR THE PROBLEM. AND THAT IS WHERE I SAY, THE LAW WILL BE ENFORCED, BUT OFFICERS ALWAYS HAVE DISCRETION TO DECIDE WHAT LAWS, AND HOW THEY WANT TO APPLY THE

LAW . >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT SO THAT IT IS CLEAR, THE SUPPORT OF LOCAL BUSINESSES HAS NEVER BEEN A CONCERN OF MINE, I AM A BIG SUPPORTER OF LOCAL BUSINESSES, I THINK IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES IN CARMEL, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL . THE DORA DISTRICT CAME UP FROM THE STATE LEVEL, BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING TO USE THIS AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPING TOOL, TO SUPPORT STRUGGLING DISTRICTS AND STRUGGLING CITIES, TO TRY TO BRING IN MORE TRAFFIC, AND INCREASE THEIR ECONOMI DEVELOPMENT GOALS . I STILL FEEL THAT CARMEL IS A CITY THAT IS THRIVING, AND DOING WELL, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL THAT WE NEED IN THIS CITY. SO, I DID WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD TO SAY, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUSINESSES BECAUSE OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES ARE DOING VERY WELL AND THERE ARE MANY OTHER WAYS THAT WE MAY ENCOURAGE THEM.

>> ANITA, VERY GOOD COMMENTS. I THINK THAT WE HAVE SUCH A WALKABLE CITY, AND THIS DOES HELP BUSINESSES, AND RESTAURANTS, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE COMING IN FROM OUT OF TOWN, IT HELPS BUSINESSES, AND FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY OUR CITY.

>> IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I WOULD

ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE.

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 7-1.

>> NEXT UP ON OUR AGENDA , WE HAVE THE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D 2719 24 , AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF CARMEL , AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TAX INCREMENT REVENUE BONDS TO SUPPORT THE PRESIDIUM THREE PROJECT, AND AUTHORIZING AND IMPROVING OTHER ACTIONS WITH RESPECT THERETO. SPONSORS

[13. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

MORALE . >> MOVED INTRODUCE.

>> SECOND. >> PLEASE READ THE SYNOPSIS?

>> APPROPRIATING FUNDS TO RECEIVE FROM THE HAMILTON COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE FOR PAYMENTS DEPOSITED FROM THE GENERAL FUND INTO THE 2024 DEPARTMENT OF CONSUMERS SERVICES BUDGET. IS ANYONE GOING TO SPEAK? I SEE DIRECTOR, I FORGOT TO LOOK THIS UP FOR THE AMOUNT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE

THE AMOUNT HANDY ? >> I CAN ADDRESS THAT.

>> THANK YOU. $6846, THANK YOU.

>> THIS IS JUST MOVING FUNDS BEING COLLECTED, THAT THEY ARE REIMBURSED FOR, SO THAT THEY CAN USE THOSE FUNDS. SO I WOULD

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MAKE A MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING UP AT 7:55 AND 27 SECONDS, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COMMENT ON THIS MATTER, PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. ONCE, TWICE, NOT SEEING ANYONE, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:55 AND 39 SECONDS, AND WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION , THIS IS AN ORDINANCE .

>> MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND ENTER INTERACTION .

>> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES THIS EVENING. PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ACTING ON THE ORDINANCE , TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE.

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SYNOPSIS? >> SURE, THANK YOU, PRESIDENT WILSON. ORDINANCE REQUIRING THAT TELECOMMUNICATION CABLES BE BURIED AT A MINIMUM DEPTH OF SIX INCHES.

>> COUNSELOR JOSHI, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE THE SPONSOR OF THIS,

WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT? >> YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THIS CONCEPT CAME FROM, AND IT REALLY CAME OUT OF MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS THAT I RECEIVED, FROM NEIGHBORS AND CONSTITUENTS, WHO HAD DIFFICULTIES WITH THE FIBER-OPTIC CABLES IN THEIR YARD BEING INADVERTENTLY CUT WHEN THEY WERE PUTTING IN FLOWERBEDS, OR DOING VERY MINOR REPAIRS, THIS WAS NOT HEAVY CONSTRUCTION, COMING UP, BUT THESE WERE SMALL ISSUES, AND IT CAUSED GREAT INTERRUPTION, SOMETIMES IN PEOPLE'S PERSONAL BUSINESSES, THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE IN CARMEL, SO, THIS AFFECTED PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO DO BUSINESS IN THEIR HOMES, IT ALSO AFFECTED THE ABILITY TO JUST HAVE INTERNET WHICH IS REALLY A UTILITY FOR MOST PEOPLE. NOWADAYS, AND SO, AS WE STARTED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE, WE DISCOVERED THAT IN FACT, DOING SOME RESEARCH WITH THE TELECOM COMPANIES, AND WORKING WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, THEIR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS SIX INCHES OF DEPTH, AND THAT IS AN INDUSTRY STANDARD THAT THEY ALL SAY THEY WORK BY , AND IT IS ACTUALLY THE INSTALLERS WHO SEEM TO NOT BE FOLLOWING THIS PROTOCOL. OR, BEST PRACTICE STANDARDS, AND SO, THIS ORDINANCE HELPS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, AND I CAN ALSO HAVE -- WE WORKED WITH CITY LEGAL ON THIS, SO I CAN HAVE SERGE SPEAK TO THIS IN

MORE DETAIL. >> SURE. SO AS COUNSELOR JOSHI INDICATED, THE GROUNDWORK ON THIS ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE ATTEMPT TO REGULATE INSTALLERS, CONTRACTORS AND SUBCONTRACTORS, DOES NOT REGULATE VILIFICATION UTILITIES . IT IS IMPORTANT TO ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS TALKING INDICATION TABLE IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT. SO, A TALKING INDICATION TABLE UNDER THIS ORDINANCE, IS AN UNDERGROUND TELEPHONE , I'M NOT SURE HOW TO PRONOUNCE THAT, ETHERNET OR FIBEROPTICS CABLE PROVIDING ANY DELIVERY SERVICE, TELEVISION OR INTERNET SERVICE TO CONSUMERS.

THIS DEFINITION DOES NOT INCLUDE ABOVEGROUND TRANSMISSION OR DOES DIVISION TABLES. A LOT OF TIMES, DUKE ENERGY WOULD ALLOW TELECOMMUNICATION UTILITIES TO INCLUDE CABLES ON THEIR ELECTRIC LINES, SO, THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT ADDRESS DISTRIBUTION LINES WHICH INCLUDE CABLES IN THEM. ALSO, CABLES LAID ALONG OVER PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY IN PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREETS, THOSE REGULATIONS ARE INCLUDED AND WE FOLD THOSE AS A CITY, SO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT CABLES THAT ARE LAID BY PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, OR PRIVATE STREETS . ALSO, CABLES LAID WITHIN UTILITY EASEMENTS, AGAIN, TO AVOID DIRECT REGULATION, OR PROPERTY OWNED BY ANY UTILITY, UTILITY BEING DEFINED AS IS IS DEFINED INDIANA CODE, AND HEALTH MEDICATION SERVICE MEANS, ANY VIDEO , CABLE INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDED BY THE UTILITY OR CONSUMERS OR DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY ELECTRIC WIRES, OR OTHER TYPES OF CONDUITS. IF YOU CAN SEE THAT BEING USED BY OTHER UTILITIES.

>> AND QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? COUNSELOR SNYDER?

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>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. TO COME DR. JOSHI. SHE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME, AND WHAT THIS STARTED AS AND WHERE IT IS NOW, IS FANTASTICALLY DIFFERENT, YET KEEPING THE SAME INITIATIVE TO PROTECT CONSTITUENTS. CIRCUIT HAS TALKED TO ALL OF US, I BELIEVE, ABOUT ALL OF THIS. I KNOW YOUR THOUGHT WAS TO SEND IT TO COMMITTEE.

>> WHEN I SPOKE TO COUNSELOR JOSHI, SHE THOUGHT, MAYBE WE SEND IT TO COMMITTEE, BUT THEN IN DEFERENCE TO YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE A MOTION, I THINK THAT WE COULD.

>> I AM COMFORTABLE WITH PEOPLE MAKING A MOTION. I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, ALSO, THAT I DID SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THIS, AND I HAVE TO THANK MY FELLOW COUNCILWOMEN, COUNSELOR MINNAAR FOR HER HELP IN THE INITIAL PROCESS OF BRINGING THIS TOGETHER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PUBLICLY, FOR THAT. AND YEAH, I AM COMFORTABLE, I JUST DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL THAT I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS ANYTHING IN COMMITTEE, BECAUSE I AM VERY COMFORTABLE AND OUR COMMITTEE CHAIR HAS ALLOWED FOR LOTS OF PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I THINK THAT HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT PROCESS, SO I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH IT, EITHER

WAY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD MOVE

TO SUSPEND THE RULE. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND AT THIS EVENING. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ACTING THIS EVENING. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES. NEXT UP, PROBABLY WHAT MOST OF YOU ARE HERE FOR, SO THANK YOU, YOU LEARNED A LOT ABOUT DORA AND THE GOAT AND PLENTY OF OTHER ISSUES TONIGHT, THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D 2725 /24, AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, CONSENTING TO HAMILTON COUNTY'S USE OF PROPERTY TAX PROCEEDS FOR THE 96 THREE U.S. 421 ALLOCATION AREA, TO THE PAYABLE BOND OR LEASE RENTALS USED FOR THE FINANCING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER. SPONSOR IS COUNSELOR TAYLOR PUT YOUR MOTION?

>> MOVED INTRODUCE. >> SECOND.

>> COUNSELOR TAYLOR, READ THE SYNOPSIS WHICH IS QUITE

SIMILAR. >> THE SYNOPSIS IS, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF CONSENT WHICH CONSENTS TO HAMILTON COUNTY'S ISSUANCE OF BOND OR ENTERING INTO A LEASE WHICH MAY BE PAYABLE FROM PROPERTY TAX PROCEEDS, AND THE 96TH STREET -421 ALLOCATION AREA, WHICH BONDS OR LEASE WILL ASSIST ASSIST WITH THE FINANCING DESIGN CONSTRUCTION AND EQUIPPING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING FACILITY INTENDED TO PROVIDE MUNICIPAL POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN HAMILTON COUNTY , INDIANA, FACILITY AND STRUCTURES FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING EDUCATION AND TRAINING RESOURCES, TO ALLOW PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS TO BETTER PROTECT AND SERVE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE TERRITORIES AND DISTRICTS THEY

SERVE. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE TIM GRIFFIN WITH THE HAMILTO COUNTY COUNCIL.

>> HELLO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPONSORING THIS, MADAME MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO HEAR THIS. TO START OUT, I PROMISE I WILL BE QUICK, I'VE HAD A FEW PEOPLE SAY IT HAS BEEN A LONG MEETING ALREADY SO I WON'T TAKE TOO LONG, ALSO, IF YOU CAN'T TELL HOW IMPORTANT IT IS, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL FIREFIGHTERS AND PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS HERE ALL NIGHT, THIS IS THE FIRST NIGHT OF SCHOOL, MANY OF THEM WORKED LAST NIGHT, THEY WILL BE WORKING TOMORROW, THAT IS 24 HOURS THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT. AS MY FELLOW COUNSELOR MACKLE SAID EARLIER, HOW IMPORTANT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I TRULY BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING TO SAVE LIVES. TODAY, YOU WILL HELP US SAVE LIVES AND I CAN SAY THAT, IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME THAT THIS PASSES, I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN ALL THE ORDINANCES YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT, BEFORE, BUT AM AN EXPERT IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND I SWORE AN OATH, 20 YEARS AGO, JUST LIKE THOSE OFFICERS EARLIER TONIGHT TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF CARMEL , AND IT REMINDED ME OF THAT, AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION IN A DIFFERENT WAY, WHERE I GET TO STILL HELP SERVE THIS COMMUNITY, AND IT WILL REVOLUTIONIZE -- HOW WE TRAIN. WE HEARD THAT TONIGHT, IT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO TRAIN, CREATE NEW BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT COUNTY, THIS GIVES US THE ABILITY TO TO DO THAT. GIVES OUR OFFICES, WHICH I DID NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT SHOOTING RANGES BEFORE THIS STARTED, I LEARNED A LOT FROM THOSE EXPERTS, AND WHAT IT WILL DO FOR THEM, AND THAT INTERLOCAL BUILDING AND TRAINING THAT WE WILL DO TOGETHER. THE FACT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD THOSE

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>> IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE, PEOPLE MAY HAVE A FEW FINANCIAL QUESTIONS . ALSO, CONNOR SULLIVAN'S COUNTY ATTORNEY.

>> ALL RIGHT BUT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO WILL ANSWER DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, WE WILL OPEN UP COUNSEL FOR ANY

QUESTIONS ON THE MATTER. >> A COUPLE STATEMENTS JUST TO START OFFICE IN HISTORY. SO CONNOR OR THE ATTORNEYS MAY NEED TO CORRECT ME, THE REASON WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE THIS ALLOCATION WAS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE CITY ANNEX, THE COUNTY ESTABLISHES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ALLOCATION AREA, , UNDER THAT ORIGINAL ALLOCATION AREA, THE COUNTY EXECUTED A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT INTERCEPTOR PROJECTS, ALONG 96TH STREET , WITH THE PROCEEDS, OR, THE INCREMENT FROM THIS ALLOCATION AREA. THEN, JULY 27TH 2010, THE CITY ANNEXED THIS AREA OF SOUTHWEST CLAY , AND SHORTLY BEFORE THAT, KNOWING THE ANNEXATION WAS GOING TO TAKE PLACE, THE CITY AND COUNTY ENTERED INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT ON JANUARY 21ST, 2010, PRIOR TO THE ANNEXATION AND IN THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, DEFINED A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THE COUNTY WOULD PAY FOR, FOR THE BENEFIT OF CARMEL RESIDENTS, WHICH INCLUDED THE 146 STREET AND 100 26 STREET IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WAS PAID FOR BY THIS INCREMENT. STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT THIS BODY , CARMEL CITY COUNCIL PROVIDE LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL FOR THE USE OF THE INCREMENT ONLY IN THE CASE OF, IF THE COUNTY INTENDS TO ISSUE DEBT. SO, THESE ARE THE COUNTY MONIES, YOU CAN USE IT HOW THEY SEE FIT, THE ONLY REASON WHY THEY ARE HERE IN FRONT OF THIS BODY TODAY IS BECAUSE OF ISSUING DEBT AND USING THE INCREMENTS. THIS ALLOCATION WILL NOT BE IN PLACE FOR THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF THE BOND, SO THE ORDINANCE REQUEST A CERTAIN AMOUNT, THE COUNTY WILL THEN MAKE ADDITIONAL PAYMENTS FROM OTHER SOURCES AFTER THIS ALLOCATION EXPIRES, I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE COUNTY, FROM THIS ALLOCATION FUNDED $29 MILLION OF ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, FOR SOUTHWEST CLAY, ALONE. THROUGH THIS ALLOCATION, AND 56 MILLION TOTAL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS FROM THIS TEST.

THIS HAS HAPPENED TO PERFORM SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER THAN ANYONE THOUGHT, ESPECIALLY FOR JUST A RETAIL CORRIDOR, AND SO, THIS EXCESS INCREMENT AVAILABLE IS HOW THE COUNTY, THE HOUSING COUNTY IS ABLE TO FIND , IF WE APPROVE THIS FIRE AND POLICE SAFETY TRAINING CENTER. THEN I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FACILITY, APPROXIMATELY 20,000 SQUARE FEET FOR FIRE SAFETY AND TRAINING. CLASSROOMS, TO HOLD APPROXIMATELY 250 FIREFIGHTERS AND EMTS, A FOUR-STORY FIRE TRAINING TOWER, WITH LIVE FIRE. NOTHING LIKE THIS CURRENTLY EXISTS THAT OUR CRIMINAL FIREFIGHTERS ARE ABLE TO USE WITHIN THE CITY OF CARMEL. WITH MANY OTHER AREAS , PROVIDED FOR ADDITIONAL TRAINING . THE POLICE AND SAFETY TRAINING FACILITY IS APPROXIMATELY 20,000 SQUARE FEET, THIS WILL HAVE A TACTICS TRAINER AND TO ENSURE ETHICAL AND RESPONSIBLE POLICING, CLASSROOMS FOR APPROXIMATELY 100 POLICE OFFICERS, FIRING RANGE UPGRADES NOT FOUND AT OUR LOCAL RANGES, THE EMA, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, APPROXIMATELY 14,000 SQUARE FOOT TRAINING FACILITY THE IMPORTANCE HERE, WHICH WAS TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT, IS THAT EMA POLICE AND FIRE FROM MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS THAT WOULD RESPOND IN THE CASE OF A MAJOR EVENT IN THE CITY OF CARMEL WILL BE ABLE TO TRAIN TOGETHER AND COORDINATOR TRAINING , WHICH, IN EFFECT, ENSURES THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE MORE PROTECTED IN THE FUTURE.

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>> ANY QUESTIONS? WE DID RECEIVE A PACKET, WHICH GOES THROUGH SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED BY THIS TIFF IN THE PAST, I KNOW THAT SOME COUNSELORS HAVE ASKED ABOUT THAT I NEEDED TO READ ALL OF THEM BUT CAN YOU MAYBE GIVE A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE USING THIS

MONEY IN THE PAST? >> YES, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL, LIKE RICH SAID, $56 MILLION WHICH HAS GONE BACK INTO THAT. SO WE HAVE TOWN ON 96 THREE, 130 FOR STREET TO 146 STREET, SHELBURNE, 116TH THROUGH 131ST, HAS BEEN A RETAIL PARKWAY, 126 AND SHALL BORN , 146 SPRING ROAD DIJ AND SEVERAL MORE. THERE'S 12 IF I REMEMBER. I WAS COUNTING EARLIER. SEVERAL PROJECTS HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN FUNDED , AND THIS IS ONE LIKE RICH SAID, WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE THAT IT HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD FOR EVERYONE.

>> COUNSELOR? >> I THINK IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE AND TO THINK, WITH THE CITY OF WESTFIELD, THE CITY OF WESTFIELD WILL BE DONATING APPROXIMATELY 110 ACRES, THEY WANTED TO BASICALLY GIVE A , JUST A SIMPLE ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT TYPE OF CONTRIBUTION WOULD EQUATE TO, FROM A VALUE STANDPOINT. SO, 110 ACRES , AND MAYBE AN ESTIMATED ONE ACRE PRICE THAT WOULD SELL IN HAMILTON COUNTY FOR $80,000 PER ACRE, WOULD BE AN $8.8 MILLION CONTRIBUTION TO THIS PROJECT.

THROUGH A ONE-YEAR LEASE, OVER 99 YEARS , SO ILLUMINATING THAT COST OF THE PROJECT TO THE TAXPAYERS, ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT A SEVEN-FIGURE CONTRIBUTION AS WELL TO THE PROJECT COST, MAYBE SPREAD OVER MULTIPLE YEARS , AND INCLUDING NOBLESVILLE AND PARTICIPATING WITH THIS PROJECT, WAIVING ALL FEES REQUIRED TO DESIGN AND PERMIT, AND TO CONNECT TO UTILITIES FOR THIS PROJECT, SO, THERE ARE MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE ALSO CONTRIBUTING FINANCIALLY TO THE PROJECT. INCLUDING, ALSO, I MENTIONED AT SOME POINT , THE BOND WILL OUTLAST THE ALLOCATION AREA, SO OTHER COUNTY REVENUES WILL HAVE TO BE SUBSTITUTED TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE BOND.

>> COUNSELOR MINNAAR? >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT AND SPEAKING ABOUT THIS FACILITY IN WESTFIELD TO THINK IS GREATLY NEEDED, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE, TO ME, IS THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU -- THE MENTIONING OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT FIRE DEPARTMENTS , POLICE DEPARTMENTS WORKING TOGETHER, KNOWING THAT WHEN YOU COME PREPARED AND YOU ARE READY TO HELP THE CITIZENS, NO MATTER WHICH CITY YOU LIVE IN WITH IN HAMILTON COUNTY, AND MORE IMPORTANT, HAVING THAT SIX-STORY STRUCTURE FOR FIREFIGHTERS TO TRAIN ON, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SO MANY BUILDINGS WITHIN OUR CITY, NOT TO MENTION HIGH-RISES , AS MR. SUTTON SAID THIS EVENING, SO WITH THAT, YOU DEFINITELY HAVE

MY SUPPORT. >> COUNSELOR LOCKE?

>> I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT SIT UP HERE AND ASK ABOUT FINANCIAL QUESTIONS TO FIGURE OUT OBJECTIVELY, JUST WHERE WE ARE, THE THING I LIKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AS A MATTER OF TIMELINE, IT SHOWS THE WORKING OF TWO GOVERNMENT BODIES TOGETHER TO SUPPORT A CONSTITUENCY ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTY. I ALWAYS SAY , WHAT A RHOMBUS IN THE SQUARE , A SQUARE IS ALWAYS A RHOMBUS BUT A RHOMBUS IS NOT ALWAYS A SQUARE. WE ARE ALWAYS A PART OF THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY IS NOT

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>> ABSOLUTELY, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR COUNSEL, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, LIKE MR. SUTTON SAID EARLIER, AS OUR TRAINING EXPERT FOR THE CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT, MEETING WITH OTHER TRAINING EXPERTS FROM AROUND THE COUNTY, THE SHERIFF'S, THEY HAVE ALL BEEN MEETING TOGETHER, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS FOR SURE, WE WANT ACCESS FOR HAMILTON COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIREFIGHTERS FIRST AND SECOND AND THIRD, IN MY OPINION, AND THEN OUTSIDE ENTITIES, BECAUSE THIS IS A WORLD-CLASS -- THE THOUGHT IS FOR US, AGAIN, NOT TO REITERATE, BUT IT IS NOT JUST FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO BE SAFE AND HER LIFE WAS, BUT FOR OUR CITIZENS. NOT ONLY ARE CITIZENS IN CARMEL, BUT I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT I AM PROBABLY IN GRANT PARK 4 TO 6 TIMES PER WEEK, SO WHEN I AM THERE, WE WILL BE SAFER AND MY CHILDREN WILL BE SAFER. OR IF I AM AT HAMILTON CROSSING, OUR CITIZENS WILL BE SAFER AS THEY MOVE THROUGH WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTY. FOR SURE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS FIRST AND

FOREMOST OUR COUNTY . >> AND THEN AS WE LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS MOVING FORWARD, I THINK THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION , SHARED A COHORT OF THOSE ENTITIES WHICH ARE RELATED TO THE CITY AND COUNTY , TO ENSURE THAT THOSE NEEDS ARE MET OVER TIME , I'M WONDERING IF YOU JUST HAVE ANY KIND OF PRELIMINARY POINTS ON THAT AS WE START TO SHIFT?

>> OBVIOUSLY, AS WE MAP OUT WHAT THE EXACT FACILITIES WILL LOOK LIKE, THEN WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON THAT OPERATIONS PEACE, AND HOW THAT LOOKS. SO, THOSE ARE WORKING, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE COMMUNITIES ALREADY DO PUT IN A SMALL AMOUNT , SO WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW THOSE CHANGES, OR IF THEY CHANGE IT ALL. SO, RENO, THAT IS THE STUDY IS REMOVED TO FINALIZE

WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE. >> AASEN. AND THEN, ON THAT POINT, AS WE LOOK AT THE TOPICS MOVING FORWARD, THE EXPENDITURES RELATED TO THE OPERATION, I'M WONDERING, THIS TIF DISTRICT WILL NOT BE RUN COMPLETELY DRY, BY THE COVERAGE IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY EXTENDED FROM THIS TIF , THERE WILL BE SOME LEFT OVER, JUST WONDERING, AS WE LOOK AT HOW THAT WILL BE PAID FOR MOVING FORWARD IF THERE ARE WAYS KNOWING THAT WE GOT PUBLIC SAFETY MEANS WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND ASSESS, TO ENSURE THAT CARMEL'S PORTION OF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR, MOVING FORWARD, AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ANY ROOM WITHIN THAT AMOUNT, TO ENSURE THAT OUR BUDGET IS NOT HIT THE ADDITION OF THIS LARGER

FACILITY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. >> THANK YOU, COUNSELOR, FOR THE RECORD, SPOKE THE HAMILTON COUNTY REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND COMMISSIONERS, TO REITERATE SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN RICH STATED, THIS IS A HAMILTON COUNTY TIF. THE ONLY REASON WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU, IS BECAUSE OF THE DEBT AGAINST IT. SO, ANY EXCESS THAT EXISTS, UNLESS WE ISSUE DEBT FOR IT, REMAINS WITHIN THE CONTROL OF THE HAMILTON COUNTY REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. THE PROJECT ITSELF CONTEMPLATES UTILIZING THE REMAINING SEVEN YEARS OF THE HAMILTON COUNTY REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TIF WHICH WILL GO TOWARDS THE PAYMENTS , LET ME GET SOME NUMBERS WHICH I THINK YOU WILL ALL PROBABLY ASK ME, COUNSELOR SNYDER AND LEARN TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER AND JUST TELL YOU THE NUMBERS. THE STATUTE GENERATES $4.4 MILLION.

THERE ARE OUTSTANDING BONDS OF 1.5 , AND THIS WILL HAVE AN ANNUAL PAYMENT , MY VOICE IS CRACKING, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. OF $2.7 MILLION, THAT WILL BE PLEDGED FROM THIS TIF WHICH GIVES IT THE COVERAGE OF ROUGHLY 105%. SO THERE IS COVERAGE IN CASE THERE IS A SHORTFALL ON THE TIF. DOES THAT

ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> DOES, NOW. AND I THINK THAT THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION THERE, AS WE LOOK AT THE BUILDOUT AND STRUCTURING OF IT, ENSURING THAT THE THE CONSTITUENTS KNOW THE SQUARE INSIDE THE RHOMBUS , KEEPING THIS IN MIND AS WE ARE SHAPING THE STRUCTURE, AND THE DEBT IS BEING ISSUED WHILE THE COUNTY AND CITY ARE THE SAME. THAT IS STILL A PART OF CARMEL, AND I THINK THE BEAUTY OF THIS LIKE I SAID ON THE FRONT END,

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>> SO THIS WILL EXPIRE IN 2031. AT THAT POINT, THOSE $4.4 MILLION QUOTED WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE NORMAL INSTITUTION, WHICH CARMEL IS ROUGHLY -- AND AFTER-TAX RATE MEMORIZED, I THINK YOU ARE IN THE 60S? SO, YOUR PORTION WILL BE DISTRIBUTED ACCORDINGLY AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL, TOWNSHIP ,

COUNTY, ET CETERA. >> THANK YOU, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, EXCUSE ME. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A VERY STRONG PACKAGE. THE SECOND TIME WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, AND I THINK EVERYONE WHO IS HERE TONIGHT, ALL THE BRAINPOWER THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS PACKAGE IS EXTREMELY STRONG. AND, THAT FRANKLY GOES ALONG WITH THE WAY THAT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS HAVE OPERATED IN HAMILTON COUNTY, FOR YEARS. TO ME, THIS IS A GREAT HONOR TO BE ABLE TO CAST A VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS. I WAS NOT A PART OF IT LAST TIME, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAPPENS THIS TIME, AND MAKE SURE THAT, NOT ONLY DO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS KNOW THAT I AM TESTING THIS OUT FOR YOU, TO KEEP YOU SAFE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE BEST, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE BEST, BUT ALSO FOR OUR CITIZENS, THERE IS NO BETTER WAY FOR ME TO CONDUCT MYSELF AS A CITY COUNSELOR, THEN TO SPEND -- THEN TO COMMIT THE TO THIS IN THIS WAY, AND I CANNOT SAY ENOUGH GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT AND I WILL DEFINITELY BE VOTING FOR

THIS TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU, COUNSELOR.

>> COUNSELOR SNYDER? >> TO GUTIERREZ, I HAVE PLENTY TO GO. YOU KNOW, THIS CAME TO ME YEARS AGO , WHEN THE TOWNSHIP -- ALL THE TOWNSHIPS WERE GOING TO FIND IT. AT THE TIME, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF IT, BECAUSE WE WERE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING FUNDING TO BUILD OUR OWN TRAINING CENTER AND WE NEEDED TO BUILD NEW FIRE STATIONS, AND IT WAS NOT REALLY ECONOMICALLY VIABLE BECAUSE MOST OF THE TOWNSHIPS COULD NOT CONTRIBUTE. SO, WHEN THIS RESERVIST, I WAS A LITTLE SHOCKED. AS YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN, BECAUSE I LEARNED ABOUT THIS PROJECT ON JULY 2ND.

CLEARLY, FOCUS HAS BEEN OUT THERE IN PLACES, BUT IMMEDIATELY, ALL I HEARD WAS, MONEY LEAVING SOUTHWEST CLAY, AND IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME, AS I SAID TONIGHT, IT IS THE COUNTY'S MONEY, BUT IT IS HARD FOR RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN IT IS COMING FROM SOUTHWEST CLAY. I WANT TO DEFEND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I DID NOT ACCEPT THAT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS , AND I HAD LONG CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. GUTIERREZ, AND COUNTY LEGAL COUNSEL, CONNOR SULLIVAN, BECAUSE I COULD NOT WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS BEING YOUR MONEY, BECAUSE IT IS CARMEL'S MONEY. IT IS THE CARMEL TAXPAYERS PERIOD HOWEVER, IN 2000, MANY OF US WERE EITHER IN OR JUST OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, SO THESE DECISIONS -- SO MANY OF THE DECISIONS WERE MADE LONG BEFORE US, AS I AM TALKING WITH YOU AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE, IN THIS ROOM, AND FRANKLY, OUR PRIOR CHIEF AND POLICE CHIEF AND OTHERS, WHILE ON THE FIRESIDE IS STILL HERE STATION SEVEN IS TOP PRIORITY, WE WOULD BE FOOLISH TO MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY. I GUESS, WHAT I AM SAYING IS, I HAVE BEEN NOT A CRITIC OF THE PROJECT BY ANY MEANS, I HAVE BEEN A CRITIC OF HOW TO EXPLAIN THIS MONEY, AND I AM ABSOLUTELY SATISFIED, THANKS TO THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANTS AND MR. GRIFFIN OVER THERE, WHAT MR. LOCKE IS GETTING AT , I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TRIED EVERY WHICH WAY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO

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SO, I AM EXCITED TO SEE THIS GET BUILT. AND AGAIN, I AM SATISFIED THAT THERE IS NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE.

>> >> AS THE ELDER NEWBIE IN THE ROOM , AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE WEST DISTRICT, I WANTED TO SAY, IN ALL HONESTY, THIS IS THAT AREA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS MY DISTRICT'S TEST, BUT, THE EXPLANATION OF UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS THE COUNTY'S TIF AND NOT MY TIF TOOK A LITTLE TIME FOR ME TO PROCESS AS WELL.

SO, BUT, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I WILL SAY, ANYTIME THAT WE CAN BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER FROM MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES, AND MULTIPLE CONSTITUENCIES, TO WORK TOGETHER ON A PROJECT THAT BENEFITS THE PUBLIC WELFARE , SAFETY AND HEALTH, I AM 100% IN. SO, I THINK THIS IS A FABULOUS PROJECT, I AM VERY EXCITED TO SEE HOW MUCH BENEFIT THIS IS GOING TO MAKE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND KEEPING OUR FAMILIES SAFE. SO, HAVING THE BEST TRAINED PEOPLE, NOT TO SAY THAT THEY ARE NOT ALREADY THE BEST TRAINED PEOPLE, NOBODY MISQUOTE ME ON THAT, BUT I AM REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT LEVEL OF PROFICIENCY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

>> BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY

SOMETHING? >> DID YOU READ MY MIND? I WANT TO THANK THE HAMILTON COUNTY COUNCIL FOR THEIR SUPPORT. THIS BODY, IN 2015, VOTED TO SUPPORT A TRAINING CENTER IN THIS VERY SPOT AND HAMILTON COUNTY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME VOTED DOWN SAYING THEY WERE NOT IN CHARGE OF PROVIDING FIRE SUPPORT, DIDN'T WANT A LONGTIME FINANCIAL COMMITMENT, I WAS NOT A PART OF THAT BODY, THANK YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE WHAT IS MAKING THIS GO, IN ADDITION TO FUNDING DOLLARS WITH THIS TIF, SO THERE IS NOT A PERSON IN THIS BODY, OR MYSELF, OR OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO ARE NOT HERE, HE WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS CONCEPT, AND THIS PROGRAM. IT IS THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME, AND I THINK IT IS FINANCED IN THE RIGHT WAY TO THINK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT BEING HERE TONIGHT AND FOR ALL THE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS IN FIRE AND POLICE PERSONNEL HERE TONIGHT

SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS, BEFORE I HAVE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES? ANYONE? BUELLER? YEAH.

OKAY. >> FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE USED TIF FOR , IN THE CITY OF CARMEL, OVER OUR CITY'S STORIED HISTORY, THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST USE EVER,

THANK YOU, TIM. >> THIS WAS MANY PEOPLE. THANK YOU, THANK OUR COUNCIL, OSCAR, AND ALL OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIREFIGHTERS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS, OR LOCAL UNIONS, SINCE 2016, AND PUBLICLY BEFORE.

>> ALL RIGHT, ENTERTAIN A MOTION?

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE NOTE.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ACTING THIS EVENING, MOTION TO APPROVE

FROM SOMEONE? >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE NOTE.

PASSING UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYBODY.

>> THANK YOU ALL, AGAIN. >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S WRAP THIS UP. NEXT ITEM IS AGENDA ITEMS, WE HAVE NONE, OTHER BUSINESS WE HAVE KNOWN, AND THE ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM ANYON

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.