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>>> . WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IF YOU ARE TUNING AND AT HOME, BECAUSE NOBODY IS HERE. THE SECOND ITEM HAS BEEN TABLED UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
THE 468 GRADLE DRIVE EXTERIOR PAINTING. SO IF YOU WERE SO
[1. Docket No. PZ-2023-00299 ADLS Amend: Bovaconti Coffee.]
EXCITED TO TUNE IN-- BUT WE WILL GET STARTED. WE HAVE DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2023-00299 . I'M NOT GOING TO GET THAT RIGHT. BOVACONTI COFFEE . IT IS LOCATED AT 2 W. MAIN ST. ZONE B-2 BUSINESS AND IS LOCATED WITHIN THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT. THE EXISTING BUILDING IS DEEMED AND OLD TOWNE CHARACTER BUILDING . FILED BY MINDA BALCIUS. DID I GET THAT CORRECT? GREAT. DO ONE OF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE MICROPHONE? PRESS A LITTLE BUTTON AND A LITTLE RED LIGHT WILL COME ON LIKE THIS, AND GIVE US YOUR 411.>> GOOD EVENING. PLAN COMMISSION COMMITTEE, MY NAME IS MINDA BALCIUS, I AM THE OWNER OF BOVACONTI COFFEE .
ALSO WITH US HERE TONIGHT IS JUSTIN JONES. HE'S OUR DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS AND COFOUNDER OF BOVACONTI COFFEE.
JUST A QUICK INTRO TO BOVACONTI COFFEE, WE HAVE A LOCATION CURRENTLY IN DOWNTOWN INDIANAPOLIS, IN FOUNTAIN SQUARE, A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. A SMALL LITTLE CORNER, AND WE FELT LIKE WE NEED TO BRING ONE TO CARMEL, AS WELL. JUSTIN ALSO LIVES IN CARMEL , WE COME TO YOU SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL. THE GENERAL IDEA IS , AGAIN, THE LOCATION IS 2 W. MAIN ST., WHICH IS THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND RANGELINE AND IT IS A HISTORIC BUILDING THAT HAS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES OVER THE YEARS . ORIGINALLY A BANK , AND THEN A VARIETY OF OFFICE USES. IT'S NEVER REALLY BEEN A FULL RESTAURANT OR COFFEE SHOP USED. THERE HAD BEEN A TEA SHOP THERE YEARS AGO AND TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS, WE LEARNED THAT SERENDIPITY TEA REALLY DID NOT HAVE A KITCHEN. THEY WOULD BRING THE PRODUCTS IN FROM THE OUTSIDE.'S OUR PROJECT ALSO INVOLVES HAVING THE BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE THE KITCHEN AND INTERIOR BUILDOUT AND THAT IS A DIFFERENT PERMIT. TODAY'S REQUEST IS TO APPROVE THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS AND THE COURTYARD BUILDOUT . WE HAVE HERE SOME ENGINEERING DRAWINGS THAT I WILL NOT GO INTO DETAIL FOR THE COURTYARD, OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMODEL THE COURTYARD FROM THE CURRENT STATE THAT WE CURRENTLY SEE RIGHT HERE. A VERY SMALL PATIO , A WALKING PATH, A LIGHT FIXTURE, AND THE REST OF THE SITE IS GREEN GRASS. WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE PATIO SPACE , ADD A PLANTINGS, ADD ADDITIONAL LIGHTING , AND OUTDOOR SEATING FOR OUR CUSTOMERS . WE HAVE A PLANTINGS SCHEDULE HERE . MOST OF THE COURTYARD WOULD BECOME A SEATING AREA AND A WALKING PATH. ESSENTIALLY WE ARE TAKING THE WALKING PATH THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE AND MODIFYING IT JUST ENOUGH TO ALLOW AN ADA ACCESS INTO THE BUILDING WHERE THERE WOULD BE A DOOR CREATED INTO THE BUILDING AS WELL, OFF OF THIS PATH. THE REST OF THE COURTYARD IS OUTDOOR SEATING WITH A LITTLE BIT OF GREEN SPACE AND PLANTINGS . WHAT
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WOULD BE WEST SOUTH CORNER THERE IS QUITE A FEW UTILITIES AND HVAC UNITS AND ELECTRICAL PANELS SO THERE IS QUITE A FEW HEAVIER PLANTS WE ARE PROPOSING TO PLANT TO SCREEN THE MECHANICALS. WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUILDING ITSELF , WE ARE PROPOSING TO PAINT THE BUILDING THIS COLOR THAT , I THINK THE NAME OF THE COLOR DESCRIBES IT PRETTY WELL WHICH IS NATURAL LINEN. IT'S AN OFF WHITE , SLIGHTLY BEIGE CREAM COLOR THAT WOULD BLEND, WORK WITH THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS . AND THEN OUR OVERALL BRANDING SCHEME HAS A LOT OF GREEN OR TERRA-COTTA COLORS BUT WE ARE PROPOSING TO USE GREEN AS AN ACCENT COLOR ON THE OUTSIDE , ON THE AWNINGS AND THE COLUMN UNDER THE CANOPY. SO WE ARE BRINGING IN SOME OF THE BOVACONTI COLORS AND BRAND ELEMENTS TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING TO KIND OF SHOW THE CUSTOMERS THAT WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT TO ENTER IS AN ACTUAL BOVACONTI COFFEE SHOP . THE BUILDING ITSELF HAS SOME ART DECO ELEMENTS AND WITH THE GUIDANCE OF CHRISTINA JUST, WE HAVE DECIDED TO BRING IN SOME OF THE ART DECO ELEMENTS AND HIGHLIGHTS. SO, AS SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL LIGHT FIXTURES RIGHT THERE, ART DECO INSPIRED LIGHT FIXTURE HOLES SO LET ME JUST SCROLL TO THE LIGHT FIXTURES REAL QUICK TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.SO THE LIGHT FIXTURE IS THIS WALL SCONCE IN AGED BRASS WITH A PATTERN, A CRYSTAL PATTERN FOR THE DIFFUSER SO THAT IS A SMALL ART DECO ELEMENT. ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE THE FRONT COLUMN THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO WRAP IN TERRA-COTTA KYLE -- TILE BLAZED IN THIS TEAL GREEN COLOR AND THEN THE BOTTOM OF THE COLUMN AND THE TOP OF THE COLUMN WOULD GET A BRASS BAND AROUND IT , WHICH IS A VERY DECORATIVE BUT ALSO VERY MUCH AND ART DECO INSPIRED ELEMENT. SO THERE ARE SMALL, NUANCED THINGS LIKE THIS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD TO THE BUILDING WITHOUT OVERDOING IT AND MAKING IT LOOK FAKE. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO ADD THESE INTENTIONAL ELEMENTS TO BRING SOME OF THESE ART DECO STYLISTIC ELEMENTS TO IT. A GREEN COLOR AS WELL, OR THIS TEAL COLOR THAT WE ARE USING IS ALSO PART OF THE DECO COLOR PALETTE. AGED BRASS , TEAL , TERRA-COTTA . SPECIFIC ART DECO ELEMENTS WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD. THIS IS KIND OF THE OVERALL-- THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE COURTYARD SO WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO ADD AWNINGS TO THAT ELEVATION AS WELL AS AWNINGS ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO THERE IS AN AWNING LOOKING EAST AND HERE IS THE-- HOUR SOUTH ELEVATION. SOME DETAILS, SOME SIGNAGE. WE HAVE A SIGNAGE PACKET THAT WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE SIGN REVIEW STAFF AND HAVE GOTTEN THE SIGNAGE MORE OR LESS TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. WE STARTED OUT WITH BIGGER AND BOLDER SIGNAGE AND WE WERE ADVISED -- WE WERE EDUCATED WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO VIEW THOSE AND THE LAST PROPOSAL IS NOW IN GUIDELINES WITH THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS. SO, THAT IS A
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QUICK GLIMPSE OF WHAT OUR CURRENT BRAND LOOKS LIKE SO THAT YOU GET AN IDEA OF WHY WE ARE TRYING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS TO THE BUILDING, TO THE EXTERIOR. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO REPRESENT OUR OWN BRAND. SO HERE'S OUR LOGO, HERE'S OUR FONT THAT WE ARE USING FOR OUR CURRENT LOCATION.HERE'S OUR BRAND COLORS, SOME OF THE INTERIOR DECORATIVE ELEMENTS , INSPIRATION PALETTE . AND AGAIN, COLOR CHOICES .
PORCELAIN COFFEE CUPS . THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AND YOUR APPROVAL ON , TO IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY OF 2 W. MAIN ST. AT MAIN STREET AND RIDGELINE FOR BOVACONTI COFFEE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE DON'T HATE SIGNS IN CARMEL, WE ARE JUST REAL PARTICULAR ABOUT THEM. STAFF?
ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS? >> YES, CHRISTINA JESSE FOR THE RECORD. ONE THING I THOUGHT THAT MAY BE HELPFUL TO KNOW IS THAT THE TOP FLOOR IS OFFICE SPACE. COUGH -- THE COFFEE SHOP WILL BE ON THE BOTTOM AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT BUSINESS NAME ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
>> IS THE LAW FIRM STAYING THERE?
>> NO. THE OFFICE LOFT ENTRANCE , AND THEN THE COFFEE SHOP IS JUST--. I THINK THE DOCKET MENTIONED THAT THIS IS DEEMED CHARACTER BUILDING AND I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE CARMEL HISTORIC RESERVATION COMMISSION OWNS THE BUILDING WHICH IS WHY WE TOOK SO MUCH DETAIL WITH THE EXTERIOR. THE PETITIONERS OBVIOUSLY DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING ALL THESE CHANGES SO I WILL NOTE THAT THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS ARE SIGNAGE AND THEN WE HAVE A DRAINAGE DESIGN DETAIL THAT ENGINEERING REQUESTED OVERALL. BUT OVERALL STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM CONTINGENT ON REVIEWING AND FINALIZING ALL
OUTSTANDING PROJECT DOCS. >> THANK YOU FOR A COMPLETE REPORT. I WILL NOW PUT THIS TO THE COMMISSIONERS. DO YOU WANT
TO START? >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND THEY ARE REALLY ABOUT THE BUILDING. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN --?
>> OCTOBER 2019 . >> AND YOU SURVIVED COVID?
>> I WOULD PROBABLY SAY WE EXCELLED DURING COVID. THE GOVERNMENT ALLOWED US TO STAY OPEN AND FORTUNATELY WE WERE THE ONLY ONES OPEN IN THAT AREA FOR A LONG TIME. YES, IN FOUNTAIN SQUARE WE ARE A BIG PART OF THE COMMUNITY THERE AND WE INTEND TO BECOME A CORNER CAFÉ FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE IN
CARMEL AS WELL. >> WILL YOU PICKED A REALLY GOOD SPOT. THAT'S FOR CERTAIN. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT .
ALSO, MAY I? THANK YOU. WHAT DOES THE BUILDING IN FOUNTAIN SQUARE LOOK LIKE? IS IT SIMILAR TO THIS? IS IT SOMETHING WE
COULD SEE ON THE WEBSITE? >> I DON'T THINK I HAVE
INTERNET. >> I CAN LOOK. I JUST WONDERED
IF YOU-- >> PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO GET A VISUAL OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE ON OUR INSTAGRAM FEED WHICH IS BOVACONTI COFFEE. THE BUILDING IN FOUNTAIN SQUARE IS VERY SIMILAR SCALE WISE, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO-- BECAUSE THE BUILDING IN FOUNTAIN SQUARE ALREADY HAD A LOT OF LAYERS OF HISTORY AND PAINT OVER THE BREAK , WE WERE ALLOWED TO PAINT A FULL-SIZED MURAL ON THE ENTIRE WALL OF THE BUILDING. SO THE BUILDING DOES HAVE A LOT MORE COLOR IN FOUNTAIN SQUARE AND A LOT BRIGHTER COLORS. ONLY, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE FULL-SIZED MURAL ON THE ENTIRE WALL.
>> OKAY. AND THEN, I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU MADE THE ADA ACCESS FOR THE BACK PATIO. THAT'S REALLY GREAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN FINALLY, DO YOU GUYS SELL YOUR COFFEE CUPS? THEY ARE AMAZING.
>> WE DO SELL COFFEE CUPS , BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME ONES THAT
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I SHOWED YOU YET TONIGHT. THOSE ARE BEING MADE SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR LOGOS , BECAUSE THOSE ARE PORCELAIN CUPS, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER GRADE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY SELL. BUT YES, THOSEWILL BE FOR SALE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS?
>> I AM SUPER CURIOUS. PART OF MY LOVE FOR THIS BUILDING IS THE LORE SURROUNDING THE FAMOUS VAULT THAT SUPPOSEDLY WAS ROBBED BY DILLINGER. IS THAT BEING RETAINED?
>> YES. THE VAULT IS STILL IN THE BUILDING. IN FACT, THERE WAS TWO VAULTS. THERE'S ONE ON THE MAIN LEVEL AND ONE IN THE BASEMENT. THE BASEMENT VAULT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT-- DOESN'T LOOK AS DECORATIVE AND AS STOUT AS THE ONE ON THE MAIN LEVEL.
THE ONE ON THE MAIN LEVEL WILL REMAIN, AND WE WILL USE IT FOR SEATING. WE'VE DESIGNED AND ARE ABOUT TO INSTALL A CUSTOM-MADE -- INTO THAT VAULT AND IT WILL ACCOMMODATE 5 TO 60
. >> GREAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS MOSTLY A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THE OLD LIGHTING , THE OLD WHAT LOOKS LIKE DECORATIVE, ORNATE TRIM ON THE CANOPY , THE LIGHT UNDER THE CANOPY , WHAT LOOKS LIKE VICTORIAN LIGHTS TO THE SIDE OF THE CANOPY AT LEAST ON MAIN STREET, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BUILDING ON THOSE FIXTURES. CLEARLY A LOT OF THOUGHT HAS GONE INTO THIS. I DON'T MEAN TO POOH-POOH IT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE AREN'T SCRAPPING SOMETHING THAT THEY SAY THAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT TO US. >> LINDA WAS REALLY GREAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE CANOPY BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF STRUCTURAL ISSUES THEY DISCOVERED WHEN THEY STARTED TO WORK ON THE DESIGN FOR THE BUILDING SO WE WERE ABLE TO WORK AROUND THAT.
WE ARE KEEPING THE FENCE AND THE LAMP POST IN THE COURTYARD.
YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO STRING SOME STRING LIGHTS TO ADD TO THE ELEMENT. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE MUCH OUT THERE AND KEEPING THE FOUNTAIN. WE ARE PRESERVING A LOT OF THE HISTORY OUT THERE INSTEAD OF THE PARTS THAT ARE NOT UP TO TODAY'S
STANDARDS. >> OKAY, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. THERE IS CLEARLY THIS ORNATE LIGHT THAT IS NEXT TO THE CANOPY . YEAH, THAT GUY RIGHT THERE. AND THEN THE ORNATE DECORATION ON THE TOP OF THE CANOPY , THAT LIGHT THAT IS UNDER THE CANOPY MAY BE WATERLOGGED OR JUST NO GOOD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, THOSE THREE DETAILS LOOK PRETTY OLD
TO ME. >> I CAN AT LEAST CONFIRM THAT THE LIGHTING UNDER THE CANOPY AND THE RAILING ALONG THE TOP WERE NOT ABLE TO BE SALVAGED. I CAN FIND OUT ABOUT THE LIGHT
THOUGH FOR YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS IS A HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDING , THAT WE ARE NOT MESSING WITH THE BUILDING, BUT WERE THESE DETAILS IMPORTANT TO SOMEBODY AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW?
>> THE CLASSIFICATION WAS NOTABLE , NOT OUTSTANDING. SO
PRESERVATION -- >> IS FLEXIBLE IN A CERTAIN REALM AND THE BUILDING WAS PAINTED YELLOW A LONG TIME AGO WITHOUT APPROVAL SO WE ARE KIND OF DOING THE BEST WITH WHAT
WE'VE GOT. >> I UNDERSTAND. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO OVERSTRETCH OUR LIMITS BUT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE HISTORICAL THINGS ARE THAT WE HAVE LEFT IN OUR COMMUNITY, I DON'T KNOW WHO EVEN THE RIGHT PERSON IS. I WOULD HATE FOR THOSE LIGHTS OR FOR THAT RAIL TO GO INTO A DUMPSTER IF SOMEONE WAS LIKE, THOSE WERE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. SO I GUESS I'M TALKING TO BOTH PETITIONER AND STAFF. MAYBE DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING , WHATEVER THAT MAY BE FOR THOSE
ITEMS. I WILL LEAVE IT THERE. >> I CAN PUT THE PETITIONER IN CONTACT WITH MARK, WITH INDIANA LANDMARKS AND WE CAN VERIFY THAT EVERYTHING IS PRESERVED PROPERLY.
>> THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. >> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT WAS
THE EXTENT OF MY QUESTIONS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR IN A WAY ANSWER SOME OF THAT QUESTION. THE LIGHT FIXTURES , THE PREVIOUS LIGHT FIXTURES, EVEN THOUGH THEY LOOK HISTORIC , THEY ARE ONLY -- THEY ARE REPLICAS. THEY ARE REPLICAS AND THEY ARE NOT EVEN VERY GOOD REPLICAS. WE STILL HAVE THEM, WE PRESERVE THEM AS WELL AS THE RAILING ON THE CANOPY, BUT THEY
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HAVE BEEN ADDED OVER THE YEARS BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER. I WOULD ESTIMATE THEIR LIGHT FIXTURES TO BE 25, 30 YEARS OLD? THE RAILING, PROBABLY THE SAME. AND EVEN THE FENCE AND THE LIGHT FIXTURE IN THE COURTYARD, THEY ARE ALL REPLICAS. FORTUNATELY THE WROUGHT IRON FRIENDS FENCE IS IN GOOD SHAPE AND ITS HIGH QUALITY. THE LIGHT FIXTURE IS QUESTIONABLE IN THE COURTYARD IN TERMS OF ITS QUALITY , SO WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO-- WE ARE SENSITIVE TO THE HISTORY AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THOSE ELEMENTS, AS WELL, AND THE ONES THAT ARE GOOD QUALITY AND, KIND OF, WITHSTOOD THE TEST OF TIME, WE ARE KEEPING THOSE. SUCH AS THE RAILING AND THE BIG, ORNATE ENTRY INTO THE COURTYARD.>> THAT'S GREAT. I AM MOSTLY TRYING TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND I AM NOW REMINDED , PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY.
YOU REALLY TAKEN A GAMBLE ON A SPOT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE PASSED OVER BECAUSE THERE'S NOT SURFACE PARKING. I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO BE REWARDED BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDING SOME OF US WHO ARE GOING TO BE EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO A COFFEE SHOP AND ENJOY IT. THANKS FOR ADDRESSING OUR COMMUNITY. IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I GUESS
I WILL SEEK A MOTION. >> SO MOVED.
>> -- MOVED TO APPROVE, SUBJECT TO THE HISTORICAL ELEMENTS.
>> OUTSTANDING-- BEING ADDRESSED TO THE SATISFACTION
OF STAFF? >> CORRECT. LET'S CLEAN THIS UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW THAT I RUN A LOOSE SHIP UP HERE BUT-- TO APPROVE THIS , SUBJECT TO REFERRAL OF ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING TECH COMMENTS AND SIGNAGE APPROVAL.
>> OKAY. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU.
>> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AS PRESENTED SAY I.
>> I. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? LOOKS LIKE THE I'S HABIT AND CONGRATULATIONS.
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