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>>> GOOD EVENING. I WILL CALL TO ORDER THE AUGUST 20, 2024 COMMISSION OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION AND ASK THAT WE ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[C. Roll Call]
THANK YOU. MR. SECRETARY, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE?>> ADAM CAMPAGNA? BE MY PRESENT.
>> JEFF HILL? FEMA PRESENT. >> CHRISTINE ZOCCOLA QUICK
>> PRESENT. >> PRESIDENT BRAD GRABOW? FEMA
>> PRESENT. >> SUSAN WESTERMEIER? MARY
[D. Declaration of Quorum]
[E. Approval of Minutes]
BUCKLER? SHANNON MINNAAR? THANK YOU, WE HAVE A QUORUM. APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING OF THE COMMISSION.>> GOVERNOR APPROVED. >> THANK YOU BOTH. ALL IN FAVOR
[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report]
OF ADOPTING THE MINUTES HAS CIRCULATED SAY I? ANY OPPOSED? MINUTES ARE ADOPTED, THANK YOU. COMMISSION'S EXPENDITURES[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]
REPORT OF LEGAL COUNSEL. >> WELCOME .
>> THANK YOU. AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT?
>> NOTHING TO ANNOUNCE THIS EVENING, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS PORTION OF OUR AGENDA WHICH IS OUR ENTIRE AGENDA THIS EVENING. WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT, PLAN COMMISSION RULES OF ORDER, EXCUSE ME, RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS PROVIDE FOR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION BY EACH PETITIONER , FILE LOAD BY A 20 MINUTE WINDOW FOR COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
FOLLOWING THAT, THE COMMISSIONER HAS UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS, WE WILL THEN HEAR THE
[1. Docket No. PZ-2024-00028 PUD: Towne 146 PUD Rezone.]
DEPARTMENT REPORT AND THE CONCLUSION OF THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS DOCKET PTZ-2024-0028 , THE UD, 146 PUD REZONE. THE APPLICANT SEEKS PUD REZONE APPROVAL TO ALLOW A MIXED-USE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTING OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, TOWNHOMES AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. SITE IS LOCATED AT 2275 WEST 146TH STREET AND THE ZONING IS S-1 RESIDENTS. COMMISSIONER IS FILED BY JIM AND JOHN OF NELSON AND FRANKENBERGER, ON BEHALF OF LENNAR HOMES OF INDIANA LLC.DOWN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FOR THE NEXT 15 MINUTES.
>> PLEASE TURN ON THE MIC. >> FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JOHN, I AM A LAND-USE PROFESSIONAL. WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT OUR HOMES OF INDIANA LLC, PRESENT TONIGHT, TONY, DAVID AND REINHARDT AS WELL AS KYLE IN THE PROJECT ENGINEER, AN ATTORNEY WITH OUR OFFICE AND NUMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENTS HIM. THERE SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE TOWN 146 PUD FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MASTER PLAN IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL INCLUDE FOR SALE TWO-STORY TOWNHOMES, DETACHED RANCH HOMES, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED TWO-STORY HOMES, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL . THE REAL ESTATE HAVE IDENTIFIED ON THE ARROW PHOTO WHICH IS NOW ON DISPLAY AS WELL AS PROVIDING INFORMATIONAL BROCHURES WHICH WE PROVIDED TO STAFF, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF 146TH STREET AND TOWN ROAD CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 16 ACRES. REAL ESTATE IS ADJACENT TO THE SUTTER CREEK COMMUNITY TO OUR SOUTH AND THE AMBLESIDE COMMUNITY TO OUR EAST. 146TH AND TOWN ROAD ARE TO THE NORTH AND WEST RESPECTIVELY. THE SITE IS ACCESSED BY THE FRONTAGE ROAD NETWORK ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE, 146TH. ALSO INCLUDED BEHIND A TAB 2 ARE TWO SITE LOCATION CONTEXT MAPS, THIS IS ONE OF WHICH OF THOSE EXHIBIT AND IS DEPICTING THE LOCATION OF THE REAL ESTATE AS WELL AS EXISTING AND PROPOSED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE SUBJECT REAL ESTATE. THE PROPERTY IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 146, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 146 STREET WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF WESTFIELD IS A LARGE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE AREA AS WELL AS 480 MULTI FAMILY ZONING FOR THOSE LIFETIME FITNESS IS DEVELOPING ON THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT, TO OUR WEST IS SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL INCLUDING THE LINCOLNSHIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHADOWWOOD'S NEIGHBORHOOD. ARROGANT TO OURSELVES, THE SADDLE CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD AND AMBLESIDE TO OUR EAST. THE
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EXHIBIT NOW ON DISPLAY IS A COLOR SITE CONCEPT PLAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY. IT IS ALSO INCLUDED BEHIND TAB THREE OF YOUR BROCHURES. IT IS INDICATED THE PLAN IS TO DEVELOP A FOR SALE SINGLE-FAMILY AND TOWNHOME RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NODE ON THE REAL ESTATE, ACCESS TO THE REAL ESTATE WILL BE PROVIDED THROUGH THE FRONTAGE ROAD AT FOUR LOCATIONS AS SHOWN IN THE PLAN, PUBLIC STREET INTERSECTION HERE, HERE, THIS LOCATION AND AS WELL AS THIS LOCATION HERE. OF NOTE IS THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS REQUESTED BY THE CITY AND SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, AS NOTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, A MINIMAL INCREASE, PEAK HOUR TRIPS IS ANTICIPATED AND EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADWAY NETWORK ARE IN PLACE TODAY WHICH WILL ACCOMMODATE THE INCREASE IN EXPECTED TRAFFIC VOLUMES ASSOCIATED WITH THE REQUEST. THE CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDES FOR AREAS THAT INCLUDE OPEN SPACE ALONG THE SOUTH PERIMETER OF THE SITE, DESIGN HARD SCAPES HERE AND INTERNAL PARK WHICH LIES BETWEEN THE PROPOSED TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THE PLAN PROVIDES A VARIETY OF HOME TYPES AND PRICE POINTS, THE LARGER LOTS FOR THE RANCH HOMES ARE LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTHERN PERIMETER OF THE REAL ESTATE ADJACENT TO SEATTLE CREEK. THE TWO-STORY DETACHED HOMES ARE LOCATED CENTRAL TO THE COMMUNITY. THE TWO STORY TOWNHOMES ARE LOCATED ALONG 146TH STREET FRONTAGE AS WELL AS ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND AMENITY AREA. 16 FOR SALE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED RANCH HOMES ARE IDENTIFIED HERE IN YELLOW, THEY INCLUDE FIRST FLOOR BEDROOMS AND PROVIDED A RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION ALONG OUR SOUTH PERIMETER ADJACENT TO SADDLE CREEK, 16 OF THE FOR SALE TWO-STORY HOMES ARE LOCATED HERE AND THOSE ARE THOSE INTAN, AGAIN, THE 60 TOWNHOMES ARE LOCATED IN THEIR FRONTAGE ALONG FRONTAGE ROAD AS WELL AS ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL. THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL BUILDING CONSISTS OF A MAXIMUM OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET , I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE STAFF REPORT IDENTIFIED 17,000 BUT IN FACT IT IS 15,000, THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE LIMITATION ON THE MAXIMUM SIZE IS 7000 SQUARE FEET WHICH WILL RESULT IN -- THAT WILL PREVENT LARGER USES THAT ARE LESS ACCUSTOMED TO BEING LOCATED WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL SETTING. THIS FIRST CHARACTER ILLUSTRATION OF THE RANCH HOME PRODUCT , HOME PRODUCT ILLUSTRATIONS ARE PROVIDED BEHIND TAB FOUR, FIVE AND SIX RESPECTIVELY OF YOUR BROCHURE WHICH INCLUDES THE TWO STORY HOMES AND TOWNHOMES. IT CONTAINS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHARACTER EXHIBITS AS WELL AS ARCHITECTURAL WRITTEN STANDARDS, REGULATING FOR ALL HOME PRODUCT TYPES , THOSE DETACHED AND TOWNHOMES INCLUDING NUMEROUS STANDARDS , SIMILAR DESIGN INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE DWELLING AS WELL AS SIMILAR DESIGN DETAILS ON ALL SIDES OF THE HOMES. EXPECTED PRICES FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED RANCH HOMES WILL BE IN THE RANGE OF 350 TO $375,000 , AS NOTED, LOTS AND QUITTING THESE HOMES ARE PLANNED CLOSEST TO SADDLE CREEK AND PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL TRANSITION ALONG THE SOUTH PERIMETER.CHARACTER ILLUSTRATION SHOWN HERE. THEY ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PUD AS WELL, THIS HOME PRODUCT WILL BE SERVED VIA ALLEY SO YOU DON'T TO THE GARAGE IS ON THE FRONT COME EASY THE GARAGES IN THE BACK OF THE DWELLING WHICH WILL ACCESS VIA AN ALLEY, THIS PRODUCT IS EXPECTED TO BE AVERAGING $400-$450,000 PRICE RANGE. THE CHARACTER ILLUSTRATION HERE IS OF THE TOWNHOME BUILDINGS, THESE WOULD BE ANTICIPATED TO RANGE BETWEEN 325 AND 350,000. THE TOWNHOMES WILL PROVIDE A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY STREETSCAPE AS WE DO HERE WITH FRONT PORCHES AND NO GARAGES FACING PERIMETER STREETS, ALLEYS WILL BE UTILIZED TO ENHANCE THE STREETSCAPE APPEARANCE WITH THE PUBLIC VIEWS ALONG 146 STREET, AS WELL AS DRIVING, THEY WOULD NOT SEE ANY GARAGE DOORS EXTERNAL TO THE SITE. TO THE WEST THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY GARAGE DOORS. THOSE WOULD BE RELEGATED TO THE ALLEYWAY NETWORK. TOWNHOMES ARE LIMITED TO TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT OF 35 FEET, BE CONSISTENT AND SCALE OF THE SURROUNDING SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS , THE PLAN COMMISSION WILL NOTE, 35 FEET IS THE TYPICAL BUILDING HEIGHT WITHIN OUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS. ALL BUILDINGS WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE A MAXIMUM TWO-STORY BUILDING HEIGHT OF 35 FEET. PICTURED HERE ARE THE CHARACTER EXHIBITS FOR THE SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NODE THAT ALLOWS AGAIN FOR A
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MAXIMUM 50,000 SQUARE FEET. DIVISION OF THIS NOTE IS TO SERVE AS AN AMENITY FOR NEARBY RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH POTENTIAL USES SUCH AS A COFFEE SHOP, RESTAURANT, SMALL RETAIL, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND SIMILAR USES. USES NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRATION OR TO GENERATE HIGH TRAFFIC LEVELS ARE PROHIBITED. THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NODE WILL UTILIZE SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS AND COLORS OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND AGAIN HAVE A MAXIMUM'S DUTY -- TWO-STORY BUILDING HEIGHT. EXAMPLES OF THIS , WHEN I LOOK BACK TO JACKSON'S GRANT, RETAIL AREA AS A GUIDE WITH LIMITING USES, THAT IS SOMETHING THE PLAN COMMISSION HAS SEEN IN THE PAST IN TERMS OF PROHIBITED USES AS WELL AS THOSE THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED WE HAVEN'T STARTED FROM SCRATCH BUT WE WILL DO THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE. EXCUSE ME, PLANNING COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE. BEHIND TAB SEVEN, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER ILLUSTRATIONS WHICH IDENTIFY ALL ANGLES AND SIDES OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING. SHOWN HERE AND INCLUDED BEHIND TAB EIGHT IS IMAGERY OF ONE OF THE OPEN SPACE AREAS, THIS WOULD BE SOUTH OF AND ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING AND WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO THE TOWNHOMES. OPEN SPACE MAKES UP APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES OF THE SITE AND THIS PUBLIC GATHERING SPACE WOULD INCLUDE MAIL SERVICES FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD , PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT FAMILIAR, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE OUT OF 46074, IT IDENTIFIES -- ALL NEW DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF NOBLESVILLE AND WESTFIELD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE, THE POSTMASTER REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE MAIL FACILITIES. THEIR STEPPING AWAY FROM INDIVIDUAL MAILBOXES IN FRONT OF EVERY HOUSE AND MOVING TOWARD THE MAIL FACILITIES. THERE PROPOSED TO DO SOMETHING EXTRA AND OVER ABOVE BY PROVIDING A MALE LOCATION THAT WOULD SERVE THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE SPACE AND DO SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN -- NOT THAT IT IS UNATTRACTIVE IN OTHER SITUATIONS BUT MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN HAVING THAT MULTIPLE MAILBOX EVERY EIGHT HOUSES ALONG THE FRONTAGE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE REAL ESTATE IS AN INFILL SITE THAT PREVENTS -- PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A MIXED-USE COMMUNITY THAT INCLUDES SMALLER FOR-SALE OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, MULTIPLE HOME PRODUCTS THAT OFFER EXPANSION OF THE HOUSING OPTIONS AVAILABLE TODAY. SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD ORIENTED COMMERCIAL NOTICES. THE LOCATION SERVES AS A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS TO OURSELVES AND TO OUR EAST AND WHAT LIES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 146 STREET WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF WESTFIELD. FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SUBJECT REAL ESTATE IS LOCATED WITHIN AN AREA IDENTIFIED AS WEST NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL AS WITHIN AN AREA REFERENCED AS TYPICAL CORRIDOR, THAT BEING 146 STREET. CITY STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE CONFERENCE THE PLAN CALLED FOR EXPANDING THE VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS, MIX OF LAND USES, THIS BEING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, AS WELL AS PROMOTING HOUSING OPTIONS TO SUPPORT AGING IN PLACE. THE MORE INTENSE TOWNHOMES AND COMMERCIAL NODE ARE LAID OUT WITH SENSITIVITY TO THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISIONS.
WE HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY TRANSITION TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG TO THE SOUTH. AS WELL AS THAT AGAIN LIMITED TWO-STORY BUILDING HEIGHT. AS NOTED, BY STAFF IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, THE MAJORITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AS YOU SEE HERE, SMALL SHOPS ON A TYPICAL CORRIDOR ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS COMPATIBLE, SUPPORTED BY OTHER SUCH EXAMPLES . THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKS OR THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, I THINK IT IS NEAR THE END, THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED OTHER NODES WITHIN CARMEL, 126 AND MAINE, RATHER: HUNDRED 26 AND GRAY, 131ST AND HAZEL DELL, OTHER EXAMPLES LIKE THAT. I THINK THEY HAVE GIVEN SQUARE FOOTAGE IS AS WELL OF THOSE DIFFERENT NODES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, WHERE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL COEXIST QUITE NICELY. IN CONCLUSION, OUR TEAM HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING. WE MADE A PRESENTATION TO SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND ADDRESSED QUESTIONS. IN ADDITION, LENNAR MET WITH JASON A BOARDS OF SCOUT -- SADDLE CREEK AND LINCOLNSHIRE TO SHARE INFORMATION REGARDING THE REQUEST THIS YEAR. OUR TEAM WILL CONTINUE TO BE OPEN TO ADDITIONAL DIALOGUE AND MEETING WITH INTERESTED NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT AND WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF, THEY HAD SOME OUTSTANDING COMMENTS AND CONCERNS REGARDING BUILDING PLACEMENT, ARCHITECTURE AND FOUNDATION LANDSCAPING. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THE CONCLUSION OF TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. LIKEWISE, THAT MEETING WILL OCCUR ON SEPTEMBER 3. WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE , WE WILL REMAIN TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HAVE EITHER AT THIS TIME OR AT THE CONCLUSION OF YOUR PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME. >> JOHN, THANK YOU. WE WILL
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CONTINUE NOW WITH -- CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW WITH COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC . I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE, THOSE OF YOU WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION. BEARING IN MIND THAT WE DISCOURAGE REPETITION EITHER TONIGHT OR REPETITION OF ANY WRITTEN THAT YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY SENT IN.WE HAVE READ ALL OF THIS, WE DON'T NEED TO HEAR IT AGAIN TONIGHT. I SEE HANDS IN THE AIR, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE IN THE BACK. OKAY. RICK, IF WE CAN DO FOUR MINUTE WINDOWS EACH AND WHOEVER WANTS TO BE FIRST, IF YOU WOULD APPROACH THE MICROPHONE AND EACH OF YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF BY NAME AND THE GENERAL AREA OF CARMEL WHERE YOU LIVE, AND I THOUGHT PERSON IS CONCLUDING, IF WE CAN HAVE AT LEAST ONE PERSON NEXT IN LINE APPROACH DURING THAT TIME SO WE HAVE A CONTINUOUS FLOW OF COMMENTS. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS CINDY JOHNSON. I LIVE IN SADDLE CREEK. AUDRA MOORE, CHRIS POTTS AND I ARE REPRESENTING THE RESIDENTS OF SADDLE CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD THIS EVENING. MY PROBLEM WITH THIS PROPOSAL IS THE INCLUSION OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. BETWEEN CLAY TERRACE AND COUNTY LINE ROAD, NO COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES EXIST ON THE CARMEL SIDE OF 146TH STREET. LACING COMMERCIAL ON THIS CORNER WOULD BE ADDING AN ELEMENT THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PERMITTED ALONG THE 146TH STREET CORRIDOR WEST OF CLAY TERRACE. AMBLESIDE NOR BEDFORD FALLS, WHICH WERE MOST RECENTLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT , CONTAIN ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL AND THEY ARE ALSO LOCATED ALONG 146TH STREET. PERMITTING COMMERCIAL SPACE ON THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE THE EXCEPTION. THE ORDINANCE WAS A POTENTIAL DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT, RETAIL AND BUSINESS OPTIONS. GIVEN THE PROXIMITY TO SOUTH CREEK, LIGHTING, NOISE AND TRAFFIC WITH -- WOULD BE IMPACTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS. SPECIFICALLY INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE ON CHARIOTS WHISPER DRIVE WOULD HAVE A VIEW OF ALL COMMERCIAL SPACE INCLUDING DRIVE-THROUGH MINES, OUT OF THEIR FRONT OR BACK WINDOWS OF THEIR TWO-STORY HOMES. THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, ESPECIALLY A DRIVE THROUGH AND OVERALL DENSITY WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT TRAFFIC AND ALSO INFRASTRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY WITH ORDINANCE MODIFICATIONS.
HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT ONCE A PUD ORDINANCE IS APPROVED, THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF LATITUDE AS WELL AS SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES THAT DIFFER FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPOSALS. SECTION 9 OF THE TOWN 146 ORDINANCE LISTS EXAMPLES OF THIS LATITUDE.
SECTION 9.4 STATES THAT A WAIVER OF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS TOWN 146 ORDINANCE MAY BE GRANTED UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 35% OF THE SPECIFIED STANDARD. SO, UP TO 35% OF THIS PROPOSAL CAN CHANGE . DOES THAT MEAN 35% MORE COMMERCIAL OR 35% MARGIN CITY? SECTION 9 THEN STATES THAT THE BCA MAY AUTHORIZE VARIANCES FROM THE TERMS OF THE TOWN 146 ORDINANCE , SUBJECT TO THE PROCEDURES PRESCRIBED IN THE UTO. MY CONCERN IS THAT CATTLE CREEK WILL END UP WITH A DEVELOPMENT THAT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING WITH NO PUBLIC INPUT. FINALLY, WESTFIELD DEVELOPMENTS ON THE NORTHWEST AND NORTHEAST CORNERS OF 146TH AND TOWN INCLUDE NUMEROUS STRUCTURES THAT YOU HAVE SEEN SUCH AS A LIFETIME FITNESS, LARGE OUTLETS IN RETAIL, COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS HUNDREDS OF HOMES AND TOWNHOMES. WESTFIELD IS OVER DEVELOPING THESE AREAS , SO COMMERCIAL IS DEFINITELY NOT NEEDED ON THE CARMEL SIDE OF 146 STREET. EVEN THOUGH A TECH STUDY HAS BEEN COMPLETED, NO ONE CAN PROJECT THE VOLUME OF CARS THAT WILL BE TRAVELING ON 146 STREET AND TOWN ROAD FROM THIS WESTFIELD DEVELOPMENT. WHILE I REALIZE YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT WESTFIELD DEVELOPS , YOU DO HAVE CONTROL ON WHAT THE FILAMENT OCCURS ON THE CORNER OF 146TH STREET AND TOWN ROAD.
SEAMA GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS AUDRA MOORE. IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET A PICTURE UP OF THE PROPOSAL JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE SPATIALLY? IF NOT, I DO HAVE A PICTURE I CAN PROVIDE AS
WELL. I HAVE IT HERE. >> THAT IS OKAY, THAT LOCATION
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IS OKAY. DOES NOT MAKE MORE SENSE IF YOU'RE SEEING IT -- OKAY. SO IF WE ARE LOOKING HERE -- THANK YOU FOR THAT, I PROCEEDED. I AM A RESIDENT OF SADDLE CREEK AND I LIVE JUST RIGHT OUT HERE. I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS, LIKE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS CAME SEEKING A DIFFERENT QUALITY OF LIFE, I COULD FIND ELSEWHERE, AND I FOUND THAT IN CARMEL AND I FIND THAT IS BECAUSE OF INTENTIONAL CHOICES BY ITS LEADERS. INTENTIONAL CHOICES TO PRESERVE A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE DON'T FIND IN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. I AM A MOTHER OF THREE, A NURSE PRACTITIONER AND I AM A CLINIC SITE DIRECTOR. WHEN I HAVE SOME FREE TIME, I PARTICIPATE IN THE CARMEL REBRANDING INITIATIVE. THAT IS WHERE I MET SHANNON AND PART OF THAT HAS BEEN VERY EDIFYING TO SEE THAT WE ARE MAKING INTENTIONAL CHOICES TO MAKE CARMEL DIFFERENT THAN THE SURROUNDING AREAS. APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. OUT OF THAT AGGREGATE DATA, I HAVE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE CARMEL RESIDENTS WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT ABOUT LIVING IN CARMEL AND WE WANT CARMEL TO BE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT THAN OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. A LOT OF THAT DATA SPOKE TO THE DESIRE TO HAVE A CERTAIN QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE PRESERVATION OF GREEN SPACES. I HEARD THAT OUT OF THE QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE DATA. WHEN WE LOOK AT DEVELOPING IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT AND MAINTAIN AS BEING DISTINCTLY CARMEL, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPACES THAT WE DEVELOP AND MAINTAIN OUR GREEN SPACES AND OUR COMMITMENT TO CONSCIENTIOUS DEVELOPMENT. I WILL BE SPEAKING TONIGHT REGARDING THE CONCERNS OF DENSITY AND ALSO THE DESTRUCTION OF THE GREEN SPACE. THERE IS NO PLACE MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE DEMONSTRATE DISTINCTLY CARMEL THAN IN THE LINES OF DEMARCATION. RIGHT AT 146 STREET, YOU SEE THAT WE ARE ADJACENT TO WESTFIELD. WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DENSITIES THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THIS PROPOSAL, WE SEE THAT AMBLESIDE, WHICH IS THE ADJACENT, IT IS JUST RIGHT HERE, HAD AN UNPRECEDENTED DENSITY. IT WAS 4.5 OHMS PER ACRE, WHICH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS ESTIMATED I THINK AT 7.5 OHMS PER ACRE, WHICH IS ALMOST DOUBLE THAT OF AMBLESIDE. IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE SURROUNDING AREAS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH MAKE UP THE OVERALL PICTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT IS ABOUT 2.5 TO THREE HOMES PER ACRE. SO THE DENSITY HAS GONE UP IMMENSELY. WE DO HAVE TO PREFACE THIS WHOLE THING BY SAYING, WE UNDERSTAND THE LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED , WE DON'T WANT TO STAND IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS.WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT CONSCIENTIOUS DEVELOPMENT TAKES PLACE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND CONTINUES,'S DEDICATION TO HONORING GREEN SPACES. AND ALSO, TRYING TO DECREASE THE DENSITY SO WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT QUALITY OF LIFE. WHEN YOU LOOK HERE, AND YOU WILL SEE ALONG THAT LINE, THE DENSITIES THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THE LENNAR AND AMBLESIDE, THEY DO LOOK FAMILIAR. THEY LOOK FAMILIAR WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS 146 STREET. THAT IS WHERE YOU WILL FIND THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE OUR OPPORTUNITY TO BE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT IN CARMEL, TO MAINTAIN HIS DENSITIES, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A COHESIVE EXPERIENCE AND TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE GREEN SPACES. I AGREE WITH CINDY'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THIS AREA, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT LEE TERRACE AT COUNTY LINE ROAD, THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT LIKE AMBLESIDE , OR LIKE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THE SIDE OF 146 STREET.
YOU CAN SEE IT BUT YOU HAVE TO UP NORTH TO WESTFIELD AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS DENSITIES INCREASE. IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DENSITY OF MORE LIKE 2.5 TO 3 HOMES, THE FAMILY HOMES. IT STANDS OUT FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THE GREEN SPACES ANOTHER CONCERN WE WOULD LIKE TO RAISE, IT IS VERY PERSONAL FOR ME BECAUSE WE DID WATCH THE DESTRUCTION OF A LOT HAS THE GREEN SPACE FOR AMBLESIDE. HARD TO SEE THOSE TREES COMING DOWN. WITH THIS, THERE IS A CONCERN THAT THIS AREA HERE WILL BE DESTROYED, IT IS A WETLAND AND IT IS ALSO A MATURE TREE LINE WITH ABOUT 20 TREES IN THE DEVELOPMENTS OF A SUPER POND. CHRIS POTTS WILL SPEAK IN A MOMENT ABOUT THE CONCERNS OF THE SUPER POND, IF YOU MAINTAINED THAT SECURITY LINE AND CREATED A WALKING PATH THAT IS ALREADY HERE AND CONTINUOUS, IT WOULD CREATE A HOOK COHESIVE GREEN SPACE EXPERIENCE FOR ALL THREE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES.
SADDLE CREEK, AMBLESIDE AND ALSO THE NEW LENNAR DEVELOPMENT. GUIDING THIS COMMUNITY THROUGH A SHARED GREEN SPACE AND PRESERVING THE MATURE TREE LINE THERE. WITH THAT, I THANK YOU SO MUCH YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND ALSO ALLOWING US TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS BIG PROCESS LIKE THIS. I TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE FROM BEING ABLE TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT LISTENS TO HIS CONSTITUENTS AND OUR CONCERNS
SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.
>> YES, SIR. >> HI, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRIS, I HAVE BEEN THE PRESIDENT OF SADDLE CREEK FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS AND SERVED ON THE BOARD THERE AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE CREATION OF WHAT I WOULD CALL A SUPER POND IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER HERE OF
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THE DEVELOPMENT. THIS WOULD INVOLVE STRIPPING APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES OF WOODLANDS OF 30 TO 40 MATURE TREES IN ORDER TO CREATE THIS POND THAT ENCOMPASSES THE AMBLESIDE POND ON THE OTHER SIDE. YOU WILL NOTICE THE AMBLESIDE POND LOOKS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE IT DID, OR IT DOES CURRENTLY, BECAUSE THAT WAS INEVITABLY CHANGED AFTER THE PUBLIC MEETING AFTER GOODWILL GESTURES FROM THE DEVELOPER, BUT THAT POND CHANGED IN ITS SHAPE AND PRESENCE TO ACCOMMODATE MORE HOUSING PLACEMENT ON THE AMBLESIDE SIGHT. SO IN ORDER FOR THIS PROJECT TO OBTAIN HIGH DENSITY, THE PROPOSAL SEEMS TO BE COMBINING TWO PONDS TOGETHER WITH LENNAR AND AMBLESIDE. THE CREATION OF THE SUPER POND WILL ALLOW NO WATER RUNOFF FROM THE ROADS AND HOMES OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO AN ALREADY STRUGGLING INTERCONNECTED POND SYSTEM THAT SUTTER CREEK HAS WITH WILLIAMS AND HENLEY CREEK, PLUS EVERYTHING OFF 146TH STREET WHICH WAS DEVELOPED, LISA, YEARS AGO. THE NEW DEVELOPMENT NORTH OF 146 STREET WEST , THUMBING THROUGH SADDLE CREEK'S 11 CONNECTING PONDS ARE SMALL IN UNDERSIZED INLETS.OUTLETS JUST CAN'T COPE. IN THE 20 YEARS I HAVE BEEN A SADDLE CREEK AND HEADED UP THE WATER MANAGEMENT PONDS COMMITTEE, WE HAVE SEEN WATER GO FROM 12 HOURS TO THREE DAYS.
THERE IS A REASON IT SWELLS AND -- THERE ARE A REASON OUR SOULS ARE EIGHT FOOT TO 10 FOOT WIDE AND 250. THE DRAWDOWN AFFECT THE MOSQUITOES AND THE SEDIMENT DEPOSITED INTO THESE PONDS HAS LED TO US SPENDING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF HOMEOWNER MONEY TO DREDGE. WE DREDGE THIS POND ABOUT FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO. IT IS DUE TO THE DRAWDOWN EFFECTS. OUR RESIDENTS ARE BURDENED WITH THIS CONSTAND ONLY LAST YEAR ON THIS OVERFLOW BASIN, SHE SPENT ONLY $22,000 THROUGH HIGH WATER VOLUMES AND DRAWDOWN EFFECTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PROPOSED SUPER POND NEEDS TO BE AN INDEPENDENT POND WHICH WOULD PROVIDE ADEQUATE STAGING . THE WATER CAN STILL BE FILTERED THROUGH USING INLETS AND OUTLETS BETWEEN THE TWO PONDS. THIS WAY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE TREE LINE AND IT WOULD ALSO HELP STAGING HUGELY AND HOPEFULLY LESSONS SOME OF THE BURDEN ON SADDLE CREEK. IT ALSO RAISES MORE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW WHOLLY INADEQUATE OUR INLETS AND OUTLETS AND THE SIZE OF THEM ARE AT SADDLE CREEK.
THESE ARE GENUINE CONCERNS BEING ACKNOWLEDGED BY CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNTY SURVEYORS AS BEING VALID.
LASTLY, HAVING ONE ON TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES RAGES CHALLENGES FOR FUTURE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE PONDS.
AMBLESIDE IN FACT ASKED FOR THIS TYPE OF SUPER POND WHEN THEY WERE DEVELOPING AND IT WAS DENIED. SECONDLY, TO SUPPORT THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS ABOUT HIGH DENSITY AND TRAFFIC, THERE WILL BE TWO ACCESS POINTS IN AND OUT OF THIS PROPERTY, IN REALITY, ONLY ONE ROAD WILL REALLY ACCESS OR EXIT OUT ONTO TOWN . THAT IS WHERE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME IN AND OUT OF AND TWO COMPOUNDS THAT, THE MAILBOXES ARE ALSO SITUATED AT THAT EXTRA POINT COMING INTO TOWN ROAD. SO WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING THERE. SO, NOT ONLY HAVE THEY GOTTEN WITH A 106 STREET, WE HAVE ALSO THAT THE COMMERCIAL PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AS WELL IN THE HIGH DENSITY, IT IS GOING TO SIGNIFICANTL HIGH VOLUME OF TRAFFIC DUMP ONTO TOWN ROAD AND FURTHER ADDS TO ALL THOSE NEW TRAFFIC PROJECTS. HOMEOWNERS IN SADDLE CREEK MADE THE BIGGEST SINGLE INVESTMENTS IN THEIR LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEY DID NOT BUY IT WITH THINKING COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO BE ATTACHED. THOSE DECISIONS TO LIVE WHERE THEY HAVE, BEING ANCHORED ON APPROVED RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS SUCH AS THE BEDFORD FALLS AND AMBLESIDE WHERE THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL ANOTHER GOAL POSTS SEEM TO BE GETTING MOVED. THE RESIDENTS ARE ASKING FOR PRIMARY SINGLE-STORY REIDENTIAL ONLY WITH THIS PRODUCT WITH DENSITIES AT OR LOWER THAN THOSE IN AMBLESIDE.
I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO WALK AMBLESIDE AND SEE WHAT SORT OF DENSITY THAT HAS GOT. AND IMAGINE THAT ON THIS VERY SMALL SIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
INDEED FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.
>> AT EVENING, I LIVE ON CHERRY SISTER DRIVE. ON ONE OF THE PONDS CHRIS SO HAPPENED TO MENTION, I LIVE RIGHT HERE. I CAN SPEAK FIRSTHAND TO SOME OF THE EXPERIENCE AS WE HAVE HAD AS OUR PONDS HAVE BEEN OVERBURDENED IN THE LAST
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SEVERAL FRAMES. INCLUDING MY BACKYARD BEING FLOODED FOR THE FIRST TIME. AND MY DOG NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAY IN IT WITHOUT WATCHING THE NEIGHBORS AS HE RUNS BY. HE LIKES TO WALK HIS DOG ALONG THAT PATH. THAT PATH IS CURRENTLY BEING USED IN A WAY THAT IT HAS NEVER BEEN USED BEFORE. THERE ARE PEOPLE EVERY DAY WHO I HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE IN MY LIFE AND IT IS BECAUSE OF THAT DENSITY, THEY DON'T LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BY THE WAY. IT IS BECAUSE OF THAT DENSITY THAT IS INCREASING OF AMBLESIDE IS BEING FILLED. AMBLESIDE FOLKS WERE GREAT AT MAKING SEVERAL PROMISES . THEY TALKED ABOUT CONTROLLING WONDERFUL TREE LINES AND YET I CAN SEE THE FOR MY BACKYARD AS THE PROPERTIES GO UP. MY DAUGHTER IS 9 MONTHS OLD. SHE IS AFRAID OF GRASS BECAUSE THE CLOUDS OF SMOKE THAT, OF EACH DAY AS CONSTRUCTION IS BEING BUILT CAN BE SO HIGH AND SO INTENSE THAT I AM ACTUALLY AFRAID OF HER ADJUSTING THE SMOKE. THE DOCTORS ADVISED STAYING AWAY FROM ANY KIND OF DUST OR CIGARETTE SMOKE. THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING BY MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY SMOKE THINGS LIKE CIGARS AND LEAVE THE BOATS OUTSIDE MY FENCE GATE. AND I HAVE GOTTEN TO EXPERIENCE ALL SORTS OF POND POLLUTION AS WELL. THERE IS AMAZON PACKAGING FLOATING IN THE POND THIS MORNING AS I WOKE UP TO HAVE MY MORNING HOT CHOCOLATE, SORRY, I AM NOT A COFFEE DRINKER. AND , YEAH. IT HAS BEEN A REALLY AWKWARD SUMMER. WE SPEND MONEY AS AN HRA. HAVE HAD BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS BUT I SPEND ADDITIONAL MONEY ON MOSQUITOES THAT I NEVER THOUGHT THE TOUR SKYWARD, EVERY YEAR, WE CAN SPRAY FOR MOSQUITOES, AND I LAUGHED AT HIM. THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY PORTION OF THIS IS WHAT SCARES ME THE MOST. THE PATH HERE GOES RIGHT UP ALONG AND I WANT MY DAUGHTER TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT BIKE PATH THAT WE WALKED AS A HUSBAND AND WIFE WHEN WE WERE COMING TO BUY IT, GOING, THIS IS SO COOL. IT CONNECTS TO TWO PONDS AND SHE WILL BE ABLE TO JUST GO ON HER OWN. WE CHOSE CARMEL BECAUSE HE WANTED OUR CHILD TO BE ABLE TO GO PLAY AND NOT HAVE TO HAVE MOM AND DAD RIGHT THERE. WE WAITED TO START A FAMILY SO THAT WE COULD FIND A PLACE WHERE WE DID NOT HAVE TO BE HELICOPTER PARENTS . AS MILLENNIALS, YOU HAD TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY AND MONEY TRYING TO SAVE OUR PENNIES , I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN PRESERVE THE WETLANDS AND HAVE SIMILAR DENSITY AND NO COMMERCIAL AS WE MOVE TO DEVELOP THIS AREA. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS>> CAN I JUST ADD ONE THING? WE HAD A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS WHO WANTED TO COME AND SPEAK TO US, BUT. WE HAVE 466 RESIDENTS IN SADDLE CREEK. RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.
>> I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PARENT-TEACHER CONFERENCES TO START THE SCHOOL YEAR MEETINGS THE CONFLICT TONIGHT , KEPT A NUMBER OF FOLKS AWAY ALSO.
>> YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THOSE
COMMENTS, IF YOU LIKE. >> THANK YOU, I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THREE. ONE IS WITH REGARD TO DRAINAGE AND ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT . THE AMBLESIDE DEVELOPMENTS WENT THROUGH DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. I TALKED TO AN EVAN FORRESTER TODAY, WE GOT A LETTER FROM ONE OF THE OWNERS, WE TAKE THOSE SERIOUSLY. WE IDENTIFIED THEY WERE OBLIGATIONS NOT MEANT. THEY WERE UNAWARE OF ANY OBLIGATIONS THAT WEREN'T MET, HE SAID HE WOULD GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE SITE TO DETERMINE COMPLIANCE BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WERE OBLIGATIONS THAT WERE NOT MET , THERE WAS A CITY THAT WOULD BE AWARE OF THOSE.
WITH REGARD TO DRAINAGE, IT IS ONLY WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY SARAN'S OFFICE THAT THEY CHANGED IT TO A LARGER
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SINGLE POND. SURVEYOR'S OFFICE RECOMMENDATION, IT WASN'T ASKING, CAN WE DO THAT, IT WAS THEM SAYING, WE HAVE GOT THIS, WE'VE GOT THIS, OF COME TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING. I AM ASSUMING AND I WILL BELIEVE, NOT GOING TO SPEAK WITH THE SURVEYOR'S OFFICE, THERE IS A BETTER ALTERNATIVE IN THESPECIFIC LOCATION. >> LIKEWISE, THE SECOND AGRICULTURAL USE AS MANY ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE SITE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION TODAY. YOU WILL SEE EARTHMOVING EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING IS TORN UP. TO THE 16 ACRES HERE, YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A DRAW THROUGH THE SITE AND A CONNECTION TO THAT LITTLE WHITE AREA THAT IS A CONNECTION THAT DISCHARGES FROM THE AGRICULTURAL AREA INTO THEIR POND. ONE CAN IMAGINE AT THE END OF THE HARVESTING SEASON WHETHER YOU HAVE GOT BEANS OR CORN , IT RUNS UNABATED INTO THE PONDS IN SADDLE CREEK. WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE REAL ESTATE, THAT WILL GO AWAY. YOU CAN SEE THE POND TODAY, AND IT'S PRE-MODIFIED CONDITION. THE NEW POND CONFIGURATION IS TO THE SOUTH IN THE POND WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE EXPANDED. THAT WILL BE TREATED NOT ONLY AT THAT LOCATION BUT AGAIN THE POND THAT IS IN AMBLESIDE. THOSE CONDITIONS AT THE -- WHICH EXIST TODAY WILL NOT EXIST WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CONDITION OF THE REAL ESTATE. THIS WILL BE CLOSED OFF, THERE WILL NOT BE WATER THAT COMES FROM THE SITE ONTO THIS AREA.
THERE IS AN EXISTING LEGAL DRAIN THAT COMES FROM THE WEST ACROSS OUR SELF PERIMETER AND EXITS INTO THE SITE BUT EVERYTHING WE GENERATE WILL BE TRANSMITTED AND REMOVED TO THE EAST. WITH REGARD TO THE DIRECTION OF THE REAL ESTATE AND INCLUDING BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES, IT WAS CURIOUS THAT IT WAS NOTED BETWEEN CLAY TERRACE ALL THE WAY OVER TO CARMEL'S WEST PERIMETER, THERE IS NO OTHER COMMERCIAL NODE . THAT CONDITION WAS RELEVANT AND EXISTING AT THE TIME THE CITY SPENT OVER A YEAR UPDATING HIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IDENTIFYING THE 146 STREET CORRIDOR OR THESE OPPORTUNITIES OF MIXED-USE. THE CITY HAS VETTED, THE CITY HAS COLLECTED DATA, THE PLAN COMMISSION HAS FORWARDED A RECOMMENDATION, THE COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT LENNAR TOOK DIRECTION FROM. WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY SAT DOWN WITH STUFF THEY HAD TO PLAN FOR ALL THE SINGLE USE. THEY SAID THAT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO FLY WITH US, WE WANT TO SAY MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENTS, IT IS SUPPORTED UNDER THE TERMS OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. BY THE WAY WE WANT TO PROVIDE HOUSING THAT IS GOING TO BE ATTRACTIVE TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DOWNSIZE SO CAN YOU REDUCE YOUR HOME SIZES ? THEY ARE STILL QUALITY HOMES BUT THEY ARE SMALLER HOMES IN SIZE. CAN YOU PROVIDE MASTER BEDROOMS? HE HAS RESPONDED TO AND PROVIDED BEFORE WE GOT IN FRONT OF THE PLAN COMMISSION AS WE FILED. THIS PLAN HAS GONE THROUGH A FEW ITERATIONS , BUT PRIMARILY THE REVIEWS AND CHANGES TO THE PLAN HAVE BEEN IN CONCERT WITH AND DIRECTION FROM STAFF AS IT WOULD CONFORM WITH THE CONVEYANCE OF PLAN, SO I DON'T EXPECT EVERYBODY TO AGREE WITH THE PLAN OR WANT TO SEE WHAT HAS BEEN VETTED BY THE CITY AND PROVIDED AS DIRECTION TO PROPERTY OWNERS ON 46TH STREET BUT THIS PLAN CONFORMS WITH THOSE OBJECTIVES AM I AM SURE DUFFEL INDICATE IS A REVIEW YOUR STAFF REPORT WITH YOU. THE LAST ITEM WAS WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC AND MANY TIMES STAFF DOES NOT ASK FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY. THEY DID IN THIS CASE, LENNAR DELAYED ONE OR TWO MONTHS IN FRONT OF THE PLAN COMMISSION FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE STUDY, PROVIDED TO THE STAFF, TO THE CITY ENGINEERING OFFICE, AND IT IS NOT OUR REVIEW, IT IS THEIR REVIEW, AND REPORT BACK TO YOU IN THE FORM OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT ACKNOWLEDGES, MINIMAL INCREASES IN PEAK HOUR VOLUMES AS WELL AS THE EXISTING ROAD AND PREVENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT. LENNAR IS NOT TELLING YOU THAT, STAFF IS TELLING YOU THAT THROUGH WHAT THEY HAVE ASKED FOR IN TERMS OF EVIDENCE. I WILL CONCLUDE THERE AND WE CAN ADDRESS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, JOHN. CONTINUE NOW WITH THE DEPARTMENT REPORT.
>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH THE PERMANENT COMMUNITY SERVICES. AS WE HEAD THIS EVENING, THIS IS REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM S1 TO PUD OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE A MIXED-USE PROJECT WITH SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPS , SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES AND TOWNHOMES. WITH ANY REASON, ONE OF THE ITEMS WE LOOK AT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS JOHN HAD MENTIONED AND THE POLICY AND THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE PLAN CALLS FOR SOME SCENE SUCH AS A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES WHICH WE SEE HERE, A MIXTURE OF LAND USES WHICH WE SEE HERE, AND PROMOTING HOUSING OPTIONS TO THE POOR AGING IN PLACE. IT ALSO HAS DEVELOPMENT TO PROTECT SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FROM DISSIMILAR
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ADJACENT USES WITH RESPECT TO SCALABILITY, LIGHTING, NOISE AND IMPACT. THEN UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, SECTION OF THE COMP PLAN, THIS AREA IS CLASSIFIED AS WAS NEIGHBORHOODS WHICH THE COMP PLAN CALLS FOR, MAYBE CHARACTERISTICS INCLUDING SIZES FROM 1/8 TO 5 ACRES, BUILDING COVERAGE BETWEEN 20% TO 50%, 2 1/2 STORY HEIGHTS , FRONT YARDS, GARDENS, PORCHES, STOOPS AND RESIDENTIAL USE. THIS AREA ALSO FALLS IN THE TYPICAL QUARTER'S CLASSIFICATION OF THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE IT IS A LONG 146 STREET WHICH IS A VERY BUSY ROAD.THESE CORRIDORS ARE BASED ON ADJACENT PATTERNS AND SERVE AS TRANSITIONS BETWEEN PLACES. THE LOW EXPANDED HOUSING OPTIONS AND LIMITED COMMERCIAL AS LONG AS THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF ADJACENT PATTERNS. AT THIS LOCATION, WE BELIEVE THE COMP PLAN WOULD SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS NATURE, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WE SEE BEFORE YOU , BUT THEN IN REVIEWING THE REZONE, WE ALSO LOOK AT THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE PUD. THE DEPARTMENT REPORT LIST SOME OF THE STAFF META-ANALYSIS ON THE WAY OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND STANDARDS IN THE PUD. SOME THINGS WE LIKE TO INCLUDE OUR APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONS AND USE SO BY LOCATING THE LANDSCAPER FOR A LONG FELT FOLLOWED BY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES , THEN MOVING TO TOWNHOMES AND THEN LOCATING THE SMALL COMMERCIAL BUILDING AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER. THE INTERNAL STREET LAYOUT PROVIDES GOOD CONNECTIONS THROUGH SAID, THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND PROMOTES PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY STREETS WITH SOME OF THE GARAGE IS LOCATED ON THE REAR. THE SIZE OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING WILL BE LIMITED TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET TOTAL WHICH, THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME, CORRECTING THE DEPARTMENT REPORT , IT IS ONLY 15,000 PUD, I DOUBLE CHECKED. AND NO TENANT IS ALLOWED TO BE LARGER THAN 7000 SQUARE FEET. THESE LIMITATIONS WILL AVOID BIG-BOX RETAIL AND WILL ACCOMMODATE SHOPS OR RESTAURANT TO SERVE NEARBY RESIDENTS. THE ARCHITECTURE FOR THE HOMES WILL BE OF A GOOD QUALITY WITH THE BASE REQUIRED, COVERED PORCHES AND MONOTONY MITIGATION STANDARDS TO HELP AVOID A COOKIE-CUTTER OR REPETITIVE ATHLETIC. SOME ITEMS STAFF FEELS NEED IMPROVEMENT INCLUDE PROVIDING A PATH CONNECTION FROM AMBLESIDE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPS. TURNING THE TOWNHOMES POTENTIALLY ON THE WEST SIDE SO THAT THEY DON'T FACE THE BACK OF THOSE SHOPS . WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IMPROVEMENT TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPS BY ADDING MORE MASONRY, REDUCING THE USE OF THE HORIZONTAL SIDING, AND ENHANCING SOME OF THE BUILDING DETAILS, ESPECIALLY TO IMPROVE THE CENTER PORTIONS OF THAT BUILDING. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE BUILDING BASED LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPS AND ADDING A VARIATION BETWEEN THE TOWNHOME FACILITIES. WE STILL HAVE MANY OUTSTANDING COMMENTS ON THE PUD THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THE DEVELOPER AND PLAN COMMISSION. THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE I PULLED OUT OF OUR COMMENTS. YOU HAVE RECEIVED SEVEN LETTERS SO FAR IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT AND SEVERAL NEIGHBORS SPOKE THIS EVENING AS WELL. SOME OF THE CONCERNS MENTIONED THAT I HEARD INCLUDE TRAFFIC INCREASING , ADDITIONAL GROSS , LIGHT AND NOISE POLLUTION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPS , THE AMOUNT OF TOWNHOMES AND DENSITY OF THE OVERALL PROJECT. CLEARLY THERE ARE CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE PROJECT AND WE HOPE THE COMMISSION AND DEVELOPER WILL DISCUSS THOSE ITEMS THAT COMMITTEE AND IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES THAT THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THIS ITEM BE SENT TO THE PLAN COMMISSION MEETING ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3 FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, ALEXIA. THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:45. QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION FROM MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION? CHRISTINE? YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE YOU HAVE DOING A LOT OF WORK SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE. I'M GOING TO SEPARATE MY COMMENTS INTO THREE BIG CATEGORIES, COMMERCIAL , THE POND, RESIDENTIAL. THE STARTING WITH THE COMMERCIAL, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE COMMERCIAL AT THIS POINT. I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON. FOR ME I DON'T THINK IT GOES IN THIS LOCATION AND I KNOW IT IS A TYPICAL CORRIDOR, AS YOU MIGHT RECALL, A CHAIRED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT A TYPICAL CORRIDOR WAS AND WHERE IT SHOULD BE, WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, THE GENERAL TENANT WAS IT WOULD PERMIT A HIGHER DENSITY OF WHATEVER IT WAS CURRENTLY FOUND FOR. IF IT IS RESIDENTIAL, HIGHER DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL, AND, YEAH, WE DID AT SOME THINGS IN THERE ABOUT
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POTENTIALLY COULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NOTE COULD POSSIBLY GO IN THERE, BUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, IT WASN'T A GIVEN. THAT COMMERCIAL WOULD GO INTO RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO RIGHT NOW, NOT ON BOARD WITH THE COMMERCIAL BUT I WILL KEEP AN OPEN MIND. BUT RIGHT NOW I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT PIECE. I WOULD SAY, I WOULD REMOVE THE RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH USE FROM YOUR PERMITTED USES WITH REGARDS TO COMMERCIAL. AND, SO, RIGHT NOW I AM NOT ON BOARD ON THE COMMERCIAL BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. I AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS, WE WENT TO THE SAME ISSUE ON THE POND WHEN AMBLESIDE POINT NEIGHBORHOOD CAME TO THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO TAKE THE SALE CREEK POND AND JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER BY REMOVING THAT TREELINE AND HAVING A SHARED POND WHICH OBVIOUSLY FOR GOOD REASON, I DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT, DO NOT WANT TO LOSE THAT TREELINE BUT ALSO EXCESSIVE FOR PROBLEMS TO HOAS, WHO IS GOING TO MANAGE THAT POND IN THE FUTURE? WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT POND? I HAVE CONCERNS WITHOUT. RIGHT NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO VERY DENSE NEIGHBORHOODS NEXT TO EACH OTHER. I THINK IT WOULD LOOK BETTER IF YOU COULD KEEP THAT TREELINE, KEEP THE GREEN SPACE, HAVE TWO SEPARATE PONDS BUT THAT IS SOMETHING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. I AM NOT AN ENGINEER, I DEFER TO JEFF ON THE PIECE BUT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND JUST SEE IF THERE IS A WAY TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE PONDS AND KEEP THAT TREELINE, PRESERVATIVE POSSIBLE. FINALLY IN THE HOUSE, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SERVING ON THE, HOUSING TASK FORCE. WE TALK A LOT ABOUT HOW THERE IS A DEMAND FOR THE SMALLER OWNERSHIP UNITS AND NOT ENOUGH SUPPLY IN THE REGION. I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE GOT RANCHES AND SOME SMALLER TWO-STORY HOMES. I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT. THE DEMAND IS FOR OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. I KNOW LENNAR HAS IN THE PAST, BURDENSOME NEIGHBORHOODS OR HAS A PART OF THEIR BUSINESS WHERE IT BECOMES HOMES FOR RENT. IS THERE ANY ASSURANCES THAT THIS WILL ALWAYS BE A FOR SALE OWNER OCCUPIED NEIGHBORHOOD? AND PROHIBITION AGAINST THIS BECOMING A HOMES FOR RENT NEIGHBORHOOD?>> WITHIN CARMEL, THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL IMMUNITIES TO PROVIDE ANY OF THOSE ASSURANCES, BUT IS NOT TO SAY LENNAR CAN'T TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION. YOU HAVE ASK AND THEY WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND REPORT BACK
TO THE COMMITTEE. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CERTAIN LANGUAGE IN THE TEXT OF THE PUD TO ADDRESS
THAT. >> IT MIGHT BE PART OF THE MOMENT, BUT THE DISTINCTION WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.
>> WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE COMMITTEE THEN AS WELL. SO, THOSE ARE JUST BIG PICTURE COMMENTS I HAVE RIGHT NOW. I KNOW WE WILL TALK ABOUT MURAT COMMITTEE AND I KNOW MY FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE DONE THIS AS WELL SO I WILL PAUSE
THERE, THANK YOU. >> I WILL MAKE MINE BRIEF. I CAN SEND CHRISTINA MY NOTES, DITTO.
>> I WILL ALSO AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS. I PROBABLY HAVE LESS OF AN OPEN MIND ON THE COMMERCIAL THEN CHRISTINE.
ALL THE COMMERCIAL THAT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED NORTH WESTFIELD IS GOING TO CAUSE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. WORRIED ABOUT ADDITIONAL HARD SURFACE ON THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT AND REST FIELD. WITH THE ADDITIONAL HARD SURFACES, HOW THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT. I GUESS I WILL MAKE IT BRIEF FROM THERE AS WELL. SAYING I AGREE WITH A LOT OF OUR STUDENTS COMMENTS.
>> SUE. >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, JOHN. IF THIS WAS NOT REQUESTING A PUD, WHAT CAN BE BUILT THERE AS IT HAS DONE TODAY AND HOW MANY HOMES AND
WHAT COULD WE BE LOOKING AT? >> TODAY, WE HAVE PROVIDED STAFF AND ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING ZONING STANDARD COMPARED TO THE NEW. I CAN PROVIDE THAT.
>> I JUST TRIED TO GET AN IDEA IF WE COULD PUT SOMETHING
DIFFERENT . >> GOOD QUESTION FOR STAFF. WE
HAVEN'T DONE THAT ANALYSIS. >> I WOULD HAVE TO PULL IT UP.
S1 IS 15,000 SQUARE FEET PER LOT IS THE MINIMUM.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT PLAYED INTO THAT ARE NOT. SO BECAUSE IT DOESN'T , IT IS PLANNED ALL AROUND IT PRE-
>> THAT WAS AN OLDER REQUIREMENT. NOW IT IS JUST YOU REQUIRE THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE NO MATTER WHAT , 15,000 SQUARE FEET LOTS, MAXIMUM DENSITY, ONE UNIT PER ACRE AND I THINK THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IS 35% OF THE SITE.
>> IT JUST WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD DEVELOP IT THAT WAY WITH SOME MORE GREEN SPACE TO MAKE IT A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA.
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INAUDIBLE ] ESSAYS HAVE BUILT AND BUILT OUT OVER THE YEARS.>> JUST. >> A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I DO SHARE SIMILAR, WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD FROM CHRISTINE, ADAM AND OTHERS RELATED TO THE COMMERCIAL. I WILL LEAVE THAT ALONE, YES THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ON 46TH STREET. THE COMP PLAN WAS WAS NEIGHBORHOODS AND TYPICAL CORNERS GIVES US A LATITUDE FOR SOMETHING LIKE A COMMERCIAL NOTE, GIVEN THE FACT THERE IS COMMERCIAL JUST ACROSS THE STREET, SO TO SPEAK. IT FEELS LIKE WE HAVE GOT THE LATITUDE TO KIND OF CONSIDER THAT WAS NEIGHBORHOOD MAYBE OVER THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR , I AM OPEN TO IDEAS. BUT SOMEWHAT SIMILAR OPINIONS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. I GUESS IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SURVIVES OR COMES TO US IN A REVISED CONDITION WITH RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT, I GET SOMETHING I WOULD PASS ALONG AS I AM EMPATHETIC TO INCREASED DENSITY COMPARED TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAD SET HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR 10, 15, 20 YEARS. THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE, THE COST OF REAL ESTATE, THE COST OF ENTITLEMENT AND BUILDING PROJECTS LIKE THIS IS HIGHER THAN EVER AND SO I AM OPEN AND SUPPORTIVE OF A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DENSITY THAN WHAT MIGHT TYPICALLY BE ALLOWED, ALTHOUGH AMBLESIDE TO THE EAST MAYBE DOES SET A PRETTY GOOD BAR THAT WE HAVE USED FOR COMPARISONS. I LIKE WHAT LENNAR HAS DONE AND THE TRANSITIONAL ELEMENTS, SADDLE CREEK, SINGLE-FAMILY TO THE -- OR, THE FOR SALE TOWNHOME TYPE UNITS .
ADMITTEDLY I AM NOT AN ARCHITECTURAL GURU SO I GUESS I DO FEEL LIKE THE TOWNHOMES HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A SUBURBAN APARTMENT COMPLEX LOOK SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE UNIQUE, WE CAN BRING YOU THOSE, THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO ME. AGAIN, THAT IS NOT MY EXPERTISE. I AM INTERESTED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE POND AND WENT WORKS OUT THERE, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN RESERVATION, NOT ONLY ON THE EAST SIDE . I DO SEE LANDSCAPE BUFFER MENTIONED ALONG THE SOUTH, PROPERTY LINE AND THEN DRAINAGE EASEMENTS TO THE WEST.
IF THERE IS SOME LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING AND THINGS THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED THERE, WHATEVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS LIKE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST. ONE THING I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT A COMMITTEE, MAYBE IT IS PRETTY EASY TO CONSIDER IS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT , ACROSS THE DITCH TO THE TRAIL ALONG 146TH STREET. I KNOW SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE DONE MOST, WHETHER THAT IS A CROSSING OR TWO, IT SURE WOULD BE NICE TO GET FOLKS DIRECTLY TO THAT AND HAVE TO GO ALONG THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND BACK. THEN IF PARALLEL PARKING SURVIVES ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SIGHT DISTANCE IS SQUARED AWAY. I THINK THAT IS ALL WE HAVE GOT FOR THE MOMENT.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. WHAT JEFF SAID. BUT, I DO WANT TO KIND OF REMIND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, THERE WAS A PROJECT A LONG TIME AGO THAT WAS, LIKE, THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. WON'T EVEN TELL YOU WHICH PROJECT IT WAS, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. SOMETIMES WHEN I GO VISIT THE COMMERCIAL SPOT, SOME OF THE VERY PEOPLE LISTED IN THIS ROOM SAYING , THAT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY, ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT I SEE SHOPPING IN THAT COMMERCIAL AREA. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE A NO OR A YES BUT JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING WAS THE WAY IT WAS DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULDN'T ALWAYS BE THE WAY
THAT IS. >> FORGIVE ME, THERE'S PROBABLY A SMATTERING OF REPETITION OF ALMOST EACH OF YOU IN COMMENTS I HAD WRITTEN DOWN. WE TALK ABOUT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ACROSS OLD 146 TO THE MULTIPURPOSE PATHWAY ALONG THE 146TH. NEW 146TH , TO SPEAK TO THAT, THERE IS A SHARP CONTRAST WHEN YOU LOOK FURTHER EAST AT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE DEVELOPED PRIOR TO THE RECONSTRUCTION OF 146TH , AND THE LEVEL OF TRAFFIC THAT WAS PRESENT AT THE WITH OF THAT RUN THEN, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET FURTHER WEST, WHERE WE NOW HAVE THE FRONTAGE ROAD THAT IS OLD 146 , OBVIOUSLY THE NATURE OF DEVELOPMENT NOW ON THE MUCH MORE COMMERCIAL APPEARANCE OF 146, REALLY CHANGES THE DYNAMIC OF WHAT IS APPROPRIATELY SUITED TO GO UP TO BE DEVELOPED ALONG 146, AND TO THAT POINT, I THINK
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THE LOGIC OF THIS PROPOSAL WITH THE TOWNHOMES IN THE COMMERCIAL , ALONG THAT HEAVIER TRAFFIC AREA GENERALLY MAKES GOOD SENSE AND FOLLOWS SOUND DESIGN PRINCIPLES. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WHERE THIS WOULD BE I WOULD SAY, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPED WITH A SCALPEL ACROSS 146, WE HAVE LAND COMMERCIAL BEING DEVELOPED WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER. AND SO IS THERE REALLY A NEED FOR WHAT I THINK IS WELL CONCEIVED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING RETAIL ON THIS CORNER WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ACROSS THE CITY BOUNDARIES ON THE NORTH SIDE . THAT DOESN'T MAKE THIS BAD BUT IT DOES, I THINK, RAISE THE BAR A LITTLE BIT AND THIS HAS TO BE PARTICULARLY WELL CONCEIVED TO EARN OUR SUPPORT WHEN THERE WILL BE SO MUCH COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET. JOHN, THE 35 FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT, IF THE PUD TEXT CAN BE REFINED , IF THIS IS YOUR INTENT, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS IT WAS GOING TO BE NECESSARY FOR THE TOWNHOMES ONLY. BUT IN YOUR PRESENTATION HE MENTIONED THAT EVEN THE TWO-STORY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE BUILT TO A 35 FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT . IF THAT IS TRULY NECESSARY, FINE.BUT IF THE TEXT LANGUAGE CAN CONSTRICT THE 35 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT TO JUST THE TOWNHOME AREA , THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
>> WE USE THAT AS AN UNDERLYING STANDARD. WE CAN FURTHER REFINE IT SO IT DRILLS DOWN ALONG THE SOUTH PERIMETER. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS A TWO-STORY, ALL SHORTER THAN THE 35. TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT AND WE CAN PROVIDE NUMBERS THAT GET A LOT
CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL HEIGHT. >> THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I THINK. WE HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE SHARED DETENTION POND WOULD WORK BOTH PHYSICALLY AND LEGALLY. I AM SURE THERE ARE PRESIDENTS ON HOW THOSE COSTS CAN BE SHARED BUT IT SOUNDS, YOU KNOW, WHEN HRA IS TROUBLE ENOUGH. TWO HOAS WORKING TOGETHER IS, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. THAT COULD BE A CHALLENGE. JOHN, YOU'RE PROPOSING A 7000 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM 10 AT BAY IN THE COMMERCIAL SPACE . THAT SEEMS LARGE. COMMON BREAKFAST RESTAURANT, OR COMMON RESTAURANT OF ANY KIND, REALLY, MIGHT BE AROUND 5000 SQUARE FEET. OUR NEXT PETITIONER IS PROPOSING A SINGLE-USE BUILDING THAT IS ONLY 5000 SQUARE FEET. OR THEREABOUTS. SO, IF WE CAN SQUEEZE THAT DOWN , UNLESS YOU HAVE GOT US A SPECIFIC TENANT IN MIND, THAT SEEMS POTENTIALLY EXCESSIVE. COUNSEL, QUESTION FOR YOU. IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO GO -- WERE TO BE CONVERTED TO BUILD FOR RENT, WOULDN'T THAT REQUIRE MULTIFAMILY
ZONING? >> NOT NECESSARILY, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF UNDERLYING BUILDINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IF IT IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, IT CAN STILL BE RENTED OUT.
>> SO IT WOULD FOLLOW THE HUD GUIDELINES OF 1 TO 4 FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL VERSUS -- >> CORRECT.
>> OKAY. SO THEN WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THAT , THE ZONING ITSELF WOULD NOT BE THE LIMITING FESTER, I GUESS.
>> EXACTLY, IT CAN BE PART OF A PUD ORDINANCE ITSELF OR A COMMITMENT, THE COMMITMENT WOULD BE RECORDED. IT'LL PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
>> THANK YOU. ONE LAST COMMENT ON THE COMMERCIAL. I THINK WHAT IS PROPOSED IS INTERESTING , SO WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING HERE AND THE SCALE , 15,000 SQUARE FEET IS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE BY REFERENCE TO THE SAME BUILDING WHERE WHILE EGGS AND ROMANS IS, MAINE AND MERIDIAN. THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS THERE BUT JUST THAT ONE BUILDING IS JUST UNDER 15,000 SQUARE FEET , AND SCALE WISE THAT DOES FEEL VERY SCALED-DOWN AND COMPATIBLE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING RETAIL. THE SIZE IS NOT THE ISSUE, JUST IS IT REALLY NECESSARY WITH EVERYTHING THAT WOULD GO UP ACROSS THE STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 146?
>> SO, I THINK EVERYONE IS HEADED -- COUNCILWOMAN SHANNON
MINNAAR. >> THANK YOU, QUESTION FOR
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COUNSEL AS WELL. BACK TO THE VOTE TO RENT, RENTALS, THAT TYPE OF THING. IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO PUT RENTAL RESTRICTIONS IN A PUD, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?>> NO, THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING. YOU CAN PUT CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS IN A PUD. THE PUD IS A UNDERSIDE OF ACT AND HAS QUITE A WIDE LATITUDE OF WHAT YOU CAN PUT THERE, AS LONG AS IT IS A REASONABLE RESTRICTION, A REASONABLE COMMITMENT, THEN IT IS FAIR GAME. CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS WOULD PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED REASONABLE IN A SENSE.
>> WITH DENSITY , IF THIS IS TO BE APPROVED AS IT IS, 60 TOWNHOMES AND SUDDENLY 20% OF THOSE BECOME RENTALS, THAT TAKES THE OWNERSHIP PORTION OUT OF , AND KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF THE HOUSING TASK FORCE. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE PERSONALLY PUTTING SOME -- I AM ASKING --
>> ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES , I HEARD A QUESTION, HOPEFULLY.
>> NO, PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES INAUDIBLE ] AND INDIVIDUALS BY THEIR HOUSE, BETWEEN YOU AND I, I LIVE IN AN AREA OF ZONE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, I HAVE NEVER READ MY ENTIRE ZONING ORDINANCE APPLICABLE VIRAL STATES THAT THERE IS A SEPARATE RECORDABLE INSTRUMENT WHICH IS A COMMITMENT, I'M GOING TO PICK THAT UP ON TITLE AND IT IS NOT GOING TO BE LIKE, I DIDN'T KNOW. IT IS A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT ATTACHED TO THE TILE.
>> GREAT, OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THOSE TERMS WITH YOU
DURING 20. THANK YOU. >> ADAM.
>> I FAILED TO MENTION THIS EARLIER BUT I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE CONSIDERING WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE MAILBOXES ARE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE IS A VERY -- IT IS LIKELY THE HIGH ENTRY AND EXIT POINT OF THE PROPERTY OR DEVELOPMENT, ACTUALLY, WITH COMMERCIAL AXIS POTENTIALLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE SMART TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
CHRISTINE? >> SORRY, ONE MORE QUESTION.
AGAIN, GLAD YOU WILL BE BRINGING SOME RENTAL RESTRICTIONS TO COMMITTEE THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT AND MAKE SURE THAT IS HANDLED. IN ONE OF THE REDLINED DRAFTS OF THE PD, YOU HAD UPLOADED, HE MUST'VE BEEN ONE YOU SUBMITTED, YOU DID REDLINES, IT HAD FOUR ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, NOW IT IS THREE ACRES. WAS THE LOSS OF AN ACRE JUST FROM GOING FROM TWO POUNDS TO ONE POUND OR WHAT HAPPENED?
>> OKAY. ANOTHER REASON I LOVED IT , KEEP THE TREE LINE AS WELL, HAVE A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACE. THAT IS IT.
>> MR. HILL. >> I WOULD MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS ITEM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMMITTEE , THE WHOLE OF TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3 FOR CONTINUED DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE WITH THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION HAVING ANY DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY FOR FUTURE OUTCOME.
>> THANK YOU MR. HILL, THANK YOU MISS DUBBIE BUCKLER. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE? ANY OPPOSED? SEPTEMBER 3 IN THE
[2. Docket No. PZ-2024-00099 DP/ADLS: Spring Mill Shops.]
STUDY COMMITTEE, THANK YOU, JOHN, THANK YOU, JEN. OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS DOCKET PC-2024-0099 DPA DLS, SPRING MILL SHOPPES. THE APPLICANT SIX DEVELOPMENTS PLAN AND 80 LS APPROVAL FOR THREE NEW MULTITENANT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS TOTALING 14,870 SQUARE FEET, SITE IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 116TH STREET AND SPRING MILL ROAD WITHIN JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE. BUILDINGS HAVE SPECIFIC ADDRESSES OF 11675, 11745, AND 11785 VILLAGE CORNER COURT. ZONING IS PUD UNDER JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE, ORDINANCE OR Z-653-20 AND TODAY'S PETITION IS FILED BY SHAWN MCKINNEY'S OF REPUBLIC DEVELOPMENT.>> YOU HAVE THE NEXT 15 MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU, GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS SEAN CURRAN WITH CURRENT ARCHITECTURE. OFFICE IS AT 5745 IN INDIANAPOLIS. ALSO WITH ME IS SHAWN MCKINNEY OF PUBLIC DEVELOPMENT. ANY SPECIFIC DEVELOPING QUESTIONS HE CAN ANSWER AS WELL. OVER HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE SHOPPES PROJECT, THIS IS REBUILDING, RETAIL DEVELOPMENT , I TOUCHED ON IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION. TOTALING -- THREE BUILDINGS, THE NORTH BUILDING
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AND SOUTH BUILDING ARE IMAGES OF EACH OTHER. THE MIDDLE BUILDING IS 5030 SQUARE FEET. THIS PROJECT IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE JACKSON'S GRANT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARKING WAS DESIGNED AND APPROVED AND PARTIALLY CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.
SO THIS IS KIND OF THE REMAINING PORTION OF THAT TO PROVIDE THE RETAIL THAT WILL SUPPORT THAT. I HAVE GOT A FEW IMAGES HERE , THE OVERALL PLANS OF THE BUILDINGS , IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM. THEY ARE DESIGNED , SMALLER SCALE, THE INTENT IS MORE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES , POTENTIALLY UP TO 15 TOTAL TENANTS WITH THE BUILDING, POTENTIALLY FIVE PER BUT THE INTENT IS OBVIOUSLY MARKET-DRIVEN . THE HOPE IS TO SECURE A , MORE OF A SITDOWN LOCAL RESTAURANT THAT WOULD OCCUPY THE CENTER BUILDING, 5000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING.
REMAINING SHOPS WOULD BE SMALLER BREAKFAST, ICE CREAM, DRY CLEANING, PICK UP, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT IS KIND OF THE INTENT OF THEIR. I HAVE A SMALL RENDERING HERE. THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTHEAST TO SHOW YOU ALL THREE BUILDINGS. THIS BUILDING IS NORTH, CENTER AND SOUTH BUILDING. COMBINATION OF FLAT ROOFS AND ABLE ROOFS TO COMPLEMENT THE JACKSON'S GRANT NEIGHBORHOOD. ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE , WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AND THE PACKET , WE HAVE READ THE STAFF REPORT .
>> THANK YOU, SEAN. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION? WE WILL PROCEED TO
THE DEPARTMENT REPORT. >> THANK YOU, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS -- ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH THE PERMANENT COMMUNITY SERVICES. IN FOR RACHEL THIS EVENING, NORMALLY SHE WOULD DO THE REPORT FOR THIS COMMERCIAL PROJECT AND SHE DID DAILY REVIEW ON THIS. AS HE HAVE HEARD, THE RETAIL PORTION OF THIS JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE IS READY TO BE DEVELOPED. THE PETITIONERS FOLLOWING THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH THREE BUILDINGS BROUGHT UP TO SPRING MILL ROAD. TOTAL PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 14,870 SQUARE FEET WHICH IS LESS THAN THE 20,000 SQUARE FEET THAT IS ALLOWED. 65 PARKING SPACES ARE PROVIDED WHICH IS MORE THAN IS REQUIRED . 45 I THINK WOULD BE WHAT IS REQUIRED. BICYCLE PARKING SPACES ARE PROVIDED ADJACENT TO EACH BUILDING. TOTAL OF 24 SPACES. SIDEWALKS WILL BE BUILT ALMOST ENTIRELY AROUND EACH BUILDING , THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION IS PROVIDED BETWEEN BUILDINGS B AND C TO CONNECT THE PATH ALONG SPRING MILL ROAD. WE MENTIONED IN THE REPORT THAT THIS CONNECTION SHOULD BE EXTENDED TO THE SIDEWALK ADJACENT TO THE TOWNHOMES , TO THE WEST, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT GO ALL THE WAY OVER TO -- MAKE THAT CONNECTION TO THE TOWNHOMES.
LANDSCAPING IS PROVIDED AROUND EACH BUILDING AND IN THE LARGE PARKING LOT ISLAND THAT DIVIDES THE SITE. ONE THING WE DON'T KNOW YET IF THE PROPOSED LOT COVERAGE PERCENT UP TO 80% IS ALLOWED. THE PETITIONER WILL NEED TO PROVIDE SOME UPDATES TO THE SITE PLAN AS WELL AS PROVIDING THE REMAINING REQUIRED ENGINEER PLAN FOR FULL REVIEW TO BE COMPLETED. IT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE GRADING PLANS, UTILITY PLANS . THE THREE BUILDINGS ARE EACH ONE STORY WITH A PARTIAL FLAT ROOF AND A PARTIAL PITCHED ROOF. SIMILAR STYLE OF BUILDING WAS SHOWN IN THE CHARACTER IMAGES IN THE PUD BUT WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY MODIFIED. THE TRANSITIONS OF THE DIFFERENT BUILDING STAIRS AND CHARACTER IMAGES SEEMS VERY DELIBERATE AND PURPOSEFUL . THEY APPEAR AS IF MULTIPLE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
THIS IS THE CHARACTER IMAGES FROM THE PUD. THE DESIGN BEFORE US TODAY IS A LITTLE MISMATCHED AND I THINK ON PURPOSE, IT DOES NOT MEET THE STALE EXPECTATIONS TO THIS CHARACTER IMAGES IN THE PUD. ONE DESIGN ELEMENT THAT SEEMS LIKE AN EASY FIX WOULD BE TO HAVE THE PORTION RELATE BETTER TO THE BUILDING THAT IS BELOW IT. WE GO OVER THIS IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT ,
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ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN SECTION. IT APPEARS THAT PITCHED ROOF IS MAYBE KIND OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT WHEN A FULLY FLAT ROOF AND PARAPET SYSTEM MAY HAVE BEEN THE PREFERRED DESIGN. WE ARE ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACTS OF EACH OF THE BUILDINGS.THEY LACK THE BRICKS, WINDOWS AND OTHER DETAILS TO GIVE THEM MORE INTEREST. THE BACKS OF THE BUILDINGS WILL BE SEEN FROM BOTH INTERIOR PARKING LOT AND FROM SPRING MILL ROAD. WHILE IT IS IMPORTANT TO BRING THESE BUILDINGS UP TO THE STREET AND HAVE PARKING LOCATED BEHIND THEM, IT IS ALSO EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE IS PROVIDED TO SHOWCASE THESE TENANTS AND BRING PEOPLE IN TO PATRONIZE THE STORES. SIGNAGE IS THE LAST ITEM TO NOTE , THE PETITIONER IS STILL WORKING ON THE SIGNED PACKAGE WITH ELISA IN OUR OFFICE. THE BUILDINGS ARE ABOUT 10 FEET TOO FAR FROM MEETING THE REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR SIGNAGE ON BOTH THE FRONT AND THE BACK. THE VARIANTS MAY BE NEEDED TO GIVE EXTRA IDENTIFICATION TO THESE TENANTS AS THEY COULD HAVE THE SIGNS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING. WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE PETITIONER ON THE DESIGN OF THESE BUILDINGS AND WE RECOMMEND DISCUSSING TONIGHT BUT THEN CONTINUING THE SITE UP TO BE SEPTEMBER 3 COMMITTEE MEETING , THE PLANNING
COMMISSION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, ALEXIA. THAT CAUSES THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:13. QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? COUNCILMEMBER SHANNON MINNAAR.
>> JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IT SOUNDS LIKE, I GUESS SINCE RACHEL ISN'T HERE, THERE WON'T BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED UNLESS THE DIRECTOR WANTS TO DO THAT BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A LOT THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE DECIDED . SO WITH THAT, I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE SIGNAGE FOR THE BUILDINGS. WHAT DOES THE DEPARTMENT FEEL ABOUT -- WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HAVING THEM ON BOTH SIDES? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE FOR OR AGAINST?
>> I THINK IF THEY ARE DESIGNED RIGHT WE COULD SEE THEM ON BOTH SIDES TO GET THAT VISIBILITY FOR THE TENANTS OUT OF SPRING MILL BUT WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SIZE, WHERE THIS WOULD GO. SOMETIMES WE MIGHT SEE MORE OF A WALL SIGN ON THE SPRING SIDE BUT THE INSIGHT HAS MAYBE PEDESTRIAN STYLE SIGNAGE , FOR THOSE PARKING THEIR. I THINK WE STILL NEED TO WORK THROUGH
THOSE DETAILS . >> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT OF DETAILS TO GO THROUGH JUST YET.
>> IS, I BELIEVE SO. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> I WILL CHIME IN. I THINK FOLLOWING YOUR COMMENTS IN THE DEPARTMENTS, THE ARCHITECTURE THAT IS PROPOSED IS ATTRACTIVE . BUT I AGREE WITH THE DEPARTMENT REPORT THAT IT FALLS SHORT OF THE CHARACTER IMAGERY THAT WE WERE PRESENTED EARLIER.
TO PUT THAT IMAGERY INTO WORDS OR, I GUESS, PUT MY EXPECTATIONS INTO WORDS, WE WERE SHOWN EXISTING OVERHEAD ORIENTED RETAIL AT 56 ILLINOIS AT 49TH AND PENN, THERE WAS ANOTHER CENTER. I AM NOT SURE WHERE IT IS LOCATED BUT IT HAD A VERY NANTUCKET FEEL TO IT. OBVIOUSLY NANTUCKET ARCHITECTURE THERE IS AN RIGHT BUT IT WAS THAT SCALE. AND I THINK HE BUILDING , BUILDING ARCHITECTURE THAT MAKES EACH STOREFRONT LOOK LIKE IT IS AN INDEPENDENT BUILDING ALONG A BLOCK IS -- BRINGS THE SCALED-DOWN AND IS COMPATIBLE OR LIVES UP TO THE IMAGERY WE WERE GIVEN EARLIER. I THINK FORESIGHTED ARCTIC A TEXTURE IT WAS MENTIONED OR AT LEAST TWO-SIDED ARCHITECTURE, DISAPPOINTED THAT THESE BUILDINGS THAT SEEM TO TURN THEIR BACK TO SPRING MILL ROAD.
AGAIN, WE WERE EARLIER , IT WAS EARLIER POINTED OUT AND WITH THE SMALL SETBACK FROM SPRING MILL ROAD, THAT THIS RETAIL WOULD BE , IF NOT ORIENTED TO SPRING MILL, AT LEAST SERVING PASSING PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ALONG SPRING MILL. IT IS ONLY ABOUT, I CAN'T FIND MY NOTES, BUT I THOUGHT I SAW IT WAS ONLY ABOUT 15 FEET OFF WITH THE MULTIUSE PATH ANYWAY. SO TO THE EXTENT ANY OF THE OUTDOOR DINING CAN BE BROUGHT TO THE OUTSIDE, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE BUILDINGS CAN HAVE ENTRANCES ON BOTH SIDES . TO THE EXTENT THAT THESE BUILDINGS CAN BE BROUGHT UP FIVE TO THE SPRINGVILLE ROADSIDE WOULD BE GOOD. THIS CENTER IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE JACKSON'S
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GRANT HOMEOWNERS BUT FOR ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE TRAVELING BY FOOT OR BY GOING UP AND DOWN SPRINGVILLE ROAD. THE DEPARTMENT TALKED ABOUT CABLES AND I AGREE , THE CABLES ARE ATTRACTIVE AGAIN, BUT THEY ARE HERE TO KIND OF BE RANDOMLY FLOATING AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THE BUILDING SO MAYBE THAT TIES INTO MY OTHER COMMENT ABOUT MAKING THESE BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE A COLLECTION OF BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF ONE BUILDING WITH MULTIPLE FAÇADES.IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS --
>> THEN A MOTION? >> JOSH HAS A COMMENT.
>> I JUST WANT A SECOND. IT IS SIMPLE. ADAM?
>> MAKE A MOTION, THE COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
>> THANK YOU BOTH. ALL IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS TO STUDY COMMITTEE WITHIN 30 DESERVED TO BE FULL COMMISSION, SAY AYE.
>> AYE. >> EIGHT, SEPTEMBER 3 , THE ROOMS TO OUR RIGHT. THANK YOU, SEAN. I AM SORRY. IN HERE, THAT IS RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE STRONG. TOO MUCH BRAINPOWER FOR THE CAUCUS ROOMS KNOW. IS THERE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS NEXT DOCKET BEFORE WE GET ANY FURTHER? NO. OKAY.
[3. Docket No. PZ-2024-00117 Z: Carmel Marketplace C2 Rezone.]
PRESENTERS READY. DOCKET NUMBER PZT DASH -->> SO MOVED. >> DOCKET PC-2024-1107 D, CARMEL MARKET PLACE RESIGN. THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO REZONE THE PARCELS LOCATED HERE FROM THE V8 BUSINESS DISTRICT TO THE C3 -- EXCUSE ME, C2 MIXED-USE DISTRICT. 7.9 ACRE SITE IS GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST CARMEL DRIVE ADJACENT TO THE STOP INTERSECTION. PETITIONS FILED BY THE DEPARTMENT COMMUNITY SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE
PLANNING COMMISSION. >> LOOK AT THAT. MR. TECHNOLOGY. OKAY. SO, GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLANNER WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. FOR YOU THIS EVENING, IS KIND OF A BIG STEP IN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT COMPLETION OF THE GREATER GRAMERCY PROJECT AND SEE IF YOU CAN THINK BACK TO 2006 . IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD NEVER GET TO THIS POINT , EVEN THOUGH THIS PROPERTY ITSELF REALLY WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL PUD, IT WAS ALWAYS A KEY COMPONENT BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE CONNECTION OF THE GREATER GRAMERCY PROJECT OF CARMEL DRIVE INCLUDING THE EXTENSION OF KINZER AVENUE WHICH IS REALLY DIRECTLY LINKED TO THIS PROJECT AND THIS PROPOSAL. THE CT RESULTS ARE KIND OF UNIQUE IN THAT ONLY THE CITY CAN APPLY FOR THIS AND USUALLY WHAT THAT INDICATES IS THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY ITSELF AND THE OWNER , ECI TO EITHER SITE HAS POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT. THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. APPARENTLY BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS BECAUSE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT HAS ALSO BEEN GOING ON NOT LONG, BUT ALSO , THIS IS A PROJECT THAT KIND OF STARTED AND STOPPED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. IT HAS BEEN THROUGH A PRETTY THOROUGH REVIEW BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND COUNCILWOMAN SHANNON MINNAAR CAN COMMENT ON THAT TOO IF SHE WOULD LIKE BUT THIS NEXT LOGICAL STEP , TO BRING IT TO KIND OF THE COMPLETION OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS. IN YOUR PACKET, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME DETAILS, THERE WAS A SITE PLAN THAT WENT ALONG AND THAT WAS
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THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS VETTED BY THE COUNCIL. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS HERE. IT IS NO SECRET , YOU KNOW, ALSO PART OF THE COUNCIL PROCESS, THERE WAS A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD INTEREST.AND THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS WAS REALLY THE FOCAL POINT OF , FOR THE MOST PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, ALL THE TRAFFIC WAS VETTED TOO AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME EXPECTATIONS BY THE COUNCIL ON WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON THE CITY SIDE OF THIS. BUT THE BUFFER YARD ITSELF , MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BUCKINGHAM HAS BEEN MEETING DIRECTLY WITH THOSE RESIDENTS. THERE IS ONE HERE. THAT IS DOWN CONSIDERABLY FROM COMING NO, WHAT WAS OCCURRING AT THE COUNCIL IN USE COMMITTEE LEVEL AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT TOO, AND IT ALSO KIND OF SUPPORTS WHAT THE BUCKINGHAM THEME HAS TOLD US, THAT THEY HAVE WORKED HARD AND THAT THEY SEEM TO BE A PRETTY GOOD FEELING THAT THIS IS TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. ASSUMING THAT THIS PROPOSAL MOVES FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL , IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES IT, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING OFFICER . THE PROJECT WILL BE VETTED FOR VARIANCES IF ANY AS WELL. IT WILL HAVE THE NORMAL THOROUGH REVIEW BY THE CITY DEPARTMENTS. AND INCLUDING THE CITY RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE COMMITTEE. SO I WILL STOP AT THEIR. AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PETITION? LAST CHANCE, ALAN. ALL RIGHT. IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT, IF THERE IS ONE.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION BUT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUSPENDS THE RULES OF PROCEDURE AND FORWARD THIS ITEM TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSION DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. PRESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED DURING COUNSEL AND DURING LAND USE AND WHAT THE COUNSELORS DID TO ORGANIZE A REALLY GOOD COMMUNITY EVENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET TOGETHER, GRAMERCY EAST, HUNTERS GLEN, AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WAS IN THIS, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS DIRECTLY EAST OF GRAMERCY. WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT?
>> ON ADDITION? >> YES, THANK YOU. WE HAD A REALLY GREAT TURNOUT, A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE WERE SOME UNHAPPY NEIGHBORS. AT THE LANDIS COMMITTEE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH BUCKINGHAM AND WITH THE RESIDENTS OF HUNTERS GLEN WHO IS ON THAT BUFFER THAT YOU SEE. IT WAS JUST A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION AND BUCKINGHAM REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH THEM AND AGREED TO THEIR ASKS. WAIT, AM I ON THE RIGHT -- YES. AND THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS, THERE WILL BE 55 AND OLDER LIMITED APARTMENTS ON THAT LOT WHICH DOES ALSO SERVE A PURPOSE FOR OUR HOUSING TASK FORCE. I THINK WE HAD THREE LAND USE COMMITTEE MEETINGS ON THIS, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> AND WITH THE FINANCE AS WELL.
>> THAT IS CORRECT, HAD TO GO TO FINANCE AS WELL. I WOULD RECOMMEND IT. I AM NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE THE MOTION YET, BUT I WILL SAY THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO THIS.
>> I WOULD SUPPORT A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES, DEFINITELY.
>> OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> DOES THIS NEED TO BE TWO MOTIONS?
>> YES, MA'AM. >> IMOVIE SUSPEND THE RULES TO TAKE ACTION UPON THIS ITEM TONIGHT.
>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO SUSPEND OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES SO THAT WE CAN VOTE ON THIS ISSUE THIS EVENING. IT HAS BEEN SECONDED. IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, THEN ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? SAY 1036.
>> AYE. >> ANY POST? I DID RESPIRE A SUPER MAJORITY SO THAT WAS ATTAINED. RULES ARE SUSPENDED.
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>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE WE SEND THIS DOCKET ITEM TO THE COUNCIL WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. ALL THOSE
NUMBERS. >> THANK YOU, BOTH. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO FORWARD THIS TO THE COUNCIL WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, SAY AYE. 2 AYE.
>> ANY POST? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, MIKE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.