[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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          MISTY CALLING THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2024. CAN I GET 
          [2. AGENDA APPROVAL]
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? IS BE MOVED TO APPROVE. 
          >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT, THE AGENDA PASSES 8-0. 
          [3. INVOCATION]
NEXT ITEM IS INDICATION. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON TO REVEREND HEMLOCK TO LEAD AS AN INDICATION. BETHINK YOU, SIR. 
          GOD, THIS EVENING WE ASK YOUR BLESSING FOR THIS BODY OF WHO HAVE COME TOGETHER . 
          >> 
          [4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
          >> THANK YOU, REVEREND. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THE FLAG IS RIGHT APPEAR. 
          >>I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          [5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS]
          >> ALL RIGHT, GOOD JOB, CAMERON. THANK YOU. NEXT RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS. WE HAD THEGIRL SCOUTS OF CENTRAL INDIANA . ARE THEY PRESENT TODAY? NO. WE WILL MOVE ON TOASIAN AMERICAN ALLIANCE, INC. 
          PARTNER AWARD . IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I AM PRESIDENT OF ASIAN AMERICAN ALLIANCE AND I AM HONORED TO PRESENT ASIAN AMERICAN ALLIANCE TO THE PARTNER AWARD TO THE CITY OF CARMEL. ASIAN AMERICAN ALLIANCE IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT REPRESENTS MORE THAN 200 OF ORGANIZATIONS AND 225 CITIZENS IN INDIANA. THE CITY OF CARMEL HAS MORE THAN 11% POPULATION THAT CALL CARMEL THEIR HOME. ASIAN AMERICAN ALLIANCE'S MISSION IS TO EMPOWER AND ENCOURAGE ASIAN AMERICANS TO LEAD AND SERVE IN BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY AND WE CELEBRATED OUR 25TH ANNIVERSARY AND WE HAD A PLEASURE OF HAVING THE MAYOR ATTEND THE EVENT ALSO. THIS ORGANIZATION HAS A SPECIAL PLACE IN CARMEL BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN FOUNDED RIGHT HERE IN CARMEL WITH CORPORATION AND OUT OFFICE IS INSIDE THE CORPORATION. WE ARE ALSO HAVING A DEEP RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF CARMEL AND WE ENJOYED SISTER CITY RELATIONSHIPS OSAKA, JAPAN. IN RECENT 
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CONCLUSION OF ON THE LIST AS APPROVED HOLIDAY. WE WILL BE CELEBRATING THAT IN OCTOBER. WE WILL BE CELEBRATING MOON FESTIVAL ON THE SATURDAY ALSO. THERE IS A LOT TO CELEBRATE TOGETHER. BOTH ARE CARMEL CITIZENS AND. WE ARE VERY PROUD OF SOME OF THE RESIDENTS OF CARMEL. WE HAVE THREE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ALSO WHO ARE CARMEL RESIDENTS. AND MANY MORE WHO REALLY FEEL AT HOME. MOST IMPORTANTLY, FEEL WELCOMED. AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE MAYOR TO COME UP 
          FRONT AND RECEIVE THE AWARD. >> ACTUALLY, CAN WE DO A PHOTO? WOULD THAT BE OKAY? WITH THE AWARD? AND EVERYBODY CAN GET IN THAT? I AM ASSUMING YOU ARE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          [6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]
          >> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. I HAVE ONE CARD TONIGHT. ZACHARY. YOU COULD COME UP TO THE PODIUM. THE LIGHTS ARE ALREADY ON SO EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE GREEN LIGHT WILL COME ON AND WITH 30 SECONDS LEFT WILL GO YELLOW AND WHEN TIME IS OUT, IT WILL COME UNREAD. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND PRESS ON. THANKS. 
          >> A LOT OF PRESSURE. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS ZACHARY CALDER AND AND I AM SPEAKING TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE SIGNED POSITION ON HEATHER STONE PLACE. I AM ASKING FOR YOUR VOTE. ORDINANCE . THIS WILL COMPLETE THE VERY LAST STEP INSTALLED ON HEATHER STONE PLACE. OUR COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE AND MANY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED YOUR SUPPORT AFTER I REACHED OUT LAST WEEK BY EMAIL, WHICH I AM EXCEEDINGLY CAPABLE. TO BRIEFLY DIVIDE CONTACTS, HEATHER STONE IS LOCATED IN THE SUB VISION JUST OUTSIDE OF. SITUATED IN THE FAR LEFT SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE ABOUT 65 HOMES ON THE STREET AND SINCE WATERSTONE HAS BEEN BUILT IN THE LATE 1990S, THERE HAS BEEN A SPEEDING PROBLEM. I LIVE ON THE NORTH AND OF ANDERSON PLACE. IT'S NOT UNUSUALLY FOR ME TO SEE CARS GOING 40-50 MILES DOWN THE STREET, AS I DID TONIGHT. SEEING EXTREME SEEDS THAT FIRST PUT ME TO IN 2021. I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE WHAT I SAW. 
          AND AS A FATHER OF A ONE-YEAR-OLD AND A THREE-YEAR-OLD, I WAS SHAKEN. I REALIZE IT WAS A REAL DANGER TO MY CHILDREN AND SO MANY OTHERS ON THE STREET. I ASKED NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE PROBLEM IN A LEARNED THAT IT WAS A LONG-STANDING ONE. ENFORCEMENT HAD BEEN TRIED BUT FALLEN SHORT. THERE HAVE BEEN CLOSE CAUSED SUCH AS A CHILD GETTING HIT BY A SPEEDING CAR WHILE BOARDING A SCHOOL BUS. IT SOON BECAME CLEAR TO ME THAT MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE. THIS IS HOW IT BEGAN FOR ME. I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR YOU TO KNOW TONIGHT IS THAT SINCE THAT TIME, EVERY STEP HAS BEEN TAKEN TO EXAMINE THE PROBLEM, ENGAGED NEIGHBORS ON THE ISSUE AN REQUIRED STEPS TO BE PLACED AS PRESCRIBED BY SITTING ORDINANCE. ON THE STREET IN CARMEL AS I AND FOR GOOD REASON, SPEED HUMPS ARE UNIQUE AND MUST BE USED. HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, THE REQUIREMENTS I'VE NOT BEEN MET. THE STUDY WAS DONE WITH THE CITY OF CARMEL WHICH LED TO A RECOMMENDATION. ABOUT 640 GUARDS TO A DATE GOING 40 MILES AN HOUR OR MORE. PLUS A SPEED WHEN IT'S 25 MILES AN HOUR. 
          75% OF NEIGHBORS. I HAVE PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH MOST OF THESE. ABOUT 100 PEOPLE. THE PETITION WAS 
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AUDITED AND CLEARED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENGINEERING. WERE DRAFTED IN HERE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THIS MATTER AND I HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT MY NEIGHBORS AND I. ON BEHALF OF ALL WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THIS PROBLEM DAILY, THANK 
          YOU. >> GOOD JOB, ZACHARY. WE DO HAVE ONE MORE CARD. LAUREN JOHNSON. IF YOU COULD COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE. JUST LIKE ZACHARY, YOU WILL HAVE 
          THREE MINUTES. >> IS IT WORKING? THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PRESENT TONIGHT BRIEFLY. MY NAME IS WARREN JOHNSON. I LIVE 5824 PLUM CREEK BOULEVARD IN CARMEL . THE REASON I AM HERE TONIGHT IS TO QUESTION WHY THE CITY IS DOING ALL THESE DEVELOPING PROJECTS AND GIVING AWAY THE STORE TO DO THEM. I JUST DEVELOPED THE PROJECT AT 116TH AND RANGELINE ROAD. I GET ZERO FROM THE CITY. I GOT INTO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND PROPOSED -- THIS WAS AFTER I WAS IN A MEETING WHEN 111 SOUTH RANGELINE WAS OPPOSED. WHEN THE CITY GIVE THEM FREE POINT $8.5 MILLION. YOU ARE ABLE TO BORROW MONEY CHEAPER THAN I CAN. LONELY THE MONEY AND I WILL REPAY IT WITH INTEREST AND I WILL GIVE YOU FORCE MORTGAGE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          I WAS TOLD NO. BUILD FIVE STORIES. I CANNOT BUILD FIVE STORIES ON 8/10 OF AN ACRE. SO I WAS TURNED DOWN. I THINK THAT THAT'S CRAZY. I REALLY DO. AND I YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GIVING SOMEBODY $19 MILLION? YOU GAVE 111 SOUTH RANGELINE AND I GET NOTHING. I'M GOING TO PAY MORE IN REAL ESTATE TAXES THE NEXT 20 YEARS IN THE NEW PROJECT TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, AND WHO AM I? MY QUESTION IS WE NEED TO DO BETTER WITH NEGOTIATIONS. WE DON'T NEED TO BE A CANDY STORE AND HE HAD EVERYTHING OUT FORGERY FOR FREE. NOBODY GAVE ME ANYTHING. I DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AND I ACTUALLY WENT TO EARLY ON AND HE WENT TO ALL KINDS OF DEVELOPERS AND NOBODY WAS INTERESTED. BUT I STILL DID. I THINK IT TURNED OUT OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN IT BUT I AM PROUD OF IT. I THINK THAT THERE IS WAYS THAT WE CAN BE TOUGHER AT NEGOTIATING DEALS THAN GIVING THE STORE LATE. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          [7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]
          >> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS. ANY COUNCIL COMMENTS? 
          >> I JUST WANT TO SAY HELLO TO JAMES IN THE MICROPHONE AS HE IS WATCHING FROM HIS IPAD AT HOME. HI, JAMES. 
          >> TO ANYONE ELSE? >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THIS PAST WEEK. WE HAD THE EMPLOYEE'S LUNCHEON AND HE DID A GREAT JOB ORGANIZING. THE FOOD WAS GREAT AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK DEAD ON THE EMPLOYEE LUNCHEON LAST WEEK. THANK YOU. 
          MAHER? MAYOR? >> MY NAME IS CAMERON. I AM A FIFTH GRADER AT CARMEL ELEMENTARY. I AM HAPPY TO PRESENT THE MAYOR'S REPORT TONIGHT. WHERE IT CONTINUES ON FINALIZING THE BUDGET, THE WAY THIS BUDGET WILL BE PRESENTED WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN IN THE PAST. WITH MORE INFORMATION MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE MAYOR LOOKS FORWARD TO GETTING THE COUNCILS FEEDBACK AFTER THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS FOR 
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CITY COUNCIL NEXT WEEK. ALSO, THE PROCESS TO SELECT A RETIREMENT ADVISER CONTINUES. AN ANNOUNCEMENT SHOULD HAPPEN IN OCTOBER. 
          THAT BODY REPRESENTED ITS REPORT IN 13 RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THE REPORT IS AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. COUNSELOR OFTEN AND SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE. THE TEAM IS WORKING ON FINALIZING THE VISUAL ASPECTS OF THE PLATFORM. 
          GENSLER TAYLOR IS CO-CHAIR, THE SENIOR LIVING COMMISSION. THEY ARE WORKING ON A VOICE OF AGING SEMINAR ON DECEMBER. MORE DETAILS COMING SOON. COUNCIL IS CHAIRING A COMMITTEE. THEY ARE EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THE CITY WILL HOLD ITS FIRST EVENT ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 26 AT 5-8 P.M. IN MIDTOWN PLAZA. COUNCIL SNYDER IS CHAIRING THE VETERANS AND MILITARY. THAT GROUP WILL HAVE ITS FIRST MEETINGS SOON. OUR STATE OF THE CITY PRESENTATION WILL BE UP ON OCTOBER 29. MORE INFO CAN BE 
          FOUND AT. >> YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB. 
          HERE ARE ALL OF THE NAMES THAT YOU PRONOUNCED RIGHT. THAT WAS VERY, VERY WELL DONE. THANK YOU, COUNCIL FOR WELCOMING OUT DEPUTY MAYOR WITH ONE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. I WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I AM GLAD YOU ARE BACK. IT'S PERFECT TIMING BECAUSE I WANTED TO COMMENT ON HOW HAPPY WE ARE TO RECEIVE THIS REWARD. 25 YEARS OF PARTNERING WITH THIS ORGANIZATION HAS DONE NOTHING BUT MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER. 
          IT IS AN HONOR TO ACCEPT THIS. I WILL ALSO MAKE SURE KNOWS YOU RECEIVE THIS BECAUSE HE IS A PART OF THIS PARTNERSHIP. 
          >> AND THANK YOU FOR BEING A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNER. 
          CAUSING THIS GREAT ORGANIZATION WITH ALL YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF TRENTON. CARMEL . I ALSO WANT TO MAKE YOU A LETTER WE GOT TODAY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. COUNSELOR'S LETTER, I WILL GIVE THIS TO YOU TO GIVE TO THE COMMISSION. THIS IS FROM THE UNITED STATES VIETNAM WAR COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT. IT SAYS ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL NATION AND THE ENTIRE STAFF OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WE COMMEND YOU THE CITY OF, FOR BEING A TOP PERFORMER, COMMEMORATIVE PARTNER. 
          INAUGURATION OF THE COMMEMORATION IN 2012, THE ORGANIZATIONS FAITHFULLY REPRESENTED OUR NATION BY SELFLESSLY POSTING FIVE OR MORE EVENTS WHICH BNK AND THEIR FAMILIES. AS SUCH, YOUR TEAM IS AMONG THE TOP 15% OF THE MORE 13,000 MEN AND A PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS AND THAT IT PARTICIPATED IN THIS EFFORT. CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS ACHIEVEMENT. NOOSE FOUND MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN THIS AND IT SPEAKS ABOUT THE CITY OF CARMEL'S COMMITMENT AND WERE GOING TO DO NOTHING ABOUT MAKING THAT FORWARD. AND WITH THEIR PARTNERSHIP, WE CAN CONTINUE TO GROW WHAT WE DO TO RECOGNIZE ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          >> LASTLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT YOU HAVE IN YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT. I KNOW YOU'VE HAD IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND IT'S GREAT HAVING THIS PARTNERSHIP. I ALWAYS WORKED HARD ABOUT BEING TRANSPARENT WITH THESE PROCEDURES. AS A COUNCIL, WE GOT HIM TO VOTE UP OR DOWN AND THAT'S IT. TO GET THIS SOONER. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK IN THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS GIVES US MUCH NEEDED OFFICE SPACE. THERE'S NOT A WEEK THAT GOES BY THAT WE HAVE A CORPORATION INTERESTED IN MOVING ON OUR FLOOR AND WE HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER BECAUSE WE ARE VERY SOLD OUT IN OUR SPACE OTHER THAN PEOPLE GOING. THERE IS NO VACANCY SITTING THERE WHICH IS A RARITY ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THIS IS A VERY HOT MARKET IN THE STATE OF INDIANA. THIS GIVES US MUCH NEEDED OFFICE SPACE. IT ALSO GIVES US A HOTEL THAT WILL COMPLEMENT AND NOT BE AT THE SAME EXACT LEVEL BUT POTENTIALLY THE FLAG IS ONE STEP DOWN FROM THE HOTEL. AUTOGRAPH HOTEL RATES ARE GOING ANYWHERE FROM 400-600 $-800 A NIGHT. YOU SAW THE SUCCESS EARLIER THIS YEAR TO PRESENT. THIS IS A MODERATE SIZED HOTEL WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED IN THIS AREA. IT WILL ALSO HELP BOLSTER IN THE AREA TOO. IT WILL ALSO GIVE US 
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SOME THINGS TO COUNSELOR TAYLOR FOR BRINGING FORTH THE SUGGESTION TO DEDICATE 40-ISH UNITS. FOR SENIOR HOUSING. IT WILL ALSO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO HAVE HIGHER AMENITIES FOR THE HOTEL BEING THERE AND FOR THE HOTEL TO OFFSET THE COST BY AMENITIES THE LIVING COMPONENT THAT YEAR, WHICH IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY WE DON'T HAVE OTHER MIXED-USE 
          DEVELOPERS. >> WILL ALSO GIVE US A PUBLIC SPACE TO USE AS WELL. AS WELL AS ALLOWING US TO CREATE A BARRIER TO A PARKING LOT IN THE SOUTH TO BETTER DEFINE THE ROAD 
          AS IT GOES THROUGH THIS AREA. >> WE HAVE A LOT WALKING AROUND THIS PART AND WE DO NOT HAVE A PATH THERE AND THIS WILL ALLOW US TO DO THAT. IT'S MY REQUEST TO THIS PROJECT THIS EVENING. I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REDUCE BUT WE HAVE JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE BUYABLE IN ALSO OFFSET THE COST OF OTHER ELEMENTS IN THE PROJECT. WE ARE WORKING ON CHANGING PROCESSES BUT THIS DOES NOT COVER THE GARAGE COMPONENT. IF YOU DISCOVER THE PROJECT AND NOTHING MORE. WE WILL BE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE DEEPER EYES EARLIER IN ALL THESE PROCESSES AND MOVE FORWARD. THIS PROCESS HAD A TERM SHEET ASSIGNED. TO GIVE YOU AND THE PUBLIC AND MYSELF THE ASSURANCE THAT WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE SHOULD AND NOTHING MORE. THANKS YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE PROJECT. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE TIME YOU HAVE TAKEN TO EVALUATE IT. AS COUNCIL, I'VE BEEN REALLY PLEASED WITH PROCESSING THE CONVERSAION WE HAVE HAD WITH MOVING FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU VERY 
          MUCH. >> RA, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK 
          [8. CONSENT AGENDA]
YOU, CAMERON. THAT WAS A LONG REPORT THAT SHE HAD TO READ 
          TONIGHT. GOOD JOB. >> RA, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8. CONSENT AGENDA. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF AUGUST 19TH, REGULARLY BRING THE MEETING ANDAUGUST 29, 2024 CLAIMS MEETING . GENERAL CLAIMS IN THE AMOUNT OF$1,811,055.84 AND $43,620.22 (PURCHASE CARD) . ANDWIRE TRANSFERS OF $3,296,816.70 . DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? 
          >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. 
          >> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. CARRIES 8-0. MOVING ON TO ITEM 9. ACTION ON MERRILL VETOES. THERE ARE NONE. NUMBER 
          [10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]
10. COMMITTEE REPORTS. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. 
          >> WE HAD TO CANCEL OUR MEETING FOR LAST WEEK BECAUSE THE DATA FOR THE ROUNDABOUT WAS NOT READY. THEY HAVE PROMISED US IN TWO WEEKS. I HAVE SCHEDULED ANOTHER MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 30TH AT 6:00 HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. 
          >> THANK YOU. LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. WE MET ON A REGULAR MEETING AT THE LIBRARY AND WE CONTINUED TO DISCUSS. OUR NEXT MEETING, LITTLE CHANGE WILL BE THIS THURSDAY AT 5:30 OF THE LIBRARY. I'M SORRY? 6:00 THIS THURSDAY AT THE LIBRARY WHERE WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THE INTERLOCAL WITH THE PARKS AS WELL AS ANYTHING 
          ELSE ASSIGNED THIS EVENING. >> THANK YOU, COUNSELOR SNYDER. 
          [11. OTHER REPORTS]
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11. OTHER CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION REPORTS., READY FOR THE MONTHLY REPORT. 
          >> GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS. I KNOW WE HAVE A PAP AGENDA SO I WILL GO THROUGH ACTIVITIES. A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION IS ONGOING DROPPED THE CITY. THE BUILDING IS LOOKING BETTER AND BETTER. 
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SAME WITH THE WINDSOR. EVERY TIME I GO TO CITY CENTERS INCLUDING ON SATURDAYS TO THE FARMERS MARKET, I HEAR PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS BUILDING, HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS. 
          I KNOW I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE PICTURE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. IT'S PRETTY GREAT TO SEE THAT PICTURE IN THE TOP RIGHT. IT LOOKS BETTER. FIRST IS FULLY OPEN. THEY ARE WORKING ON THE CONDOS. THE OFFICES IS OPEN. 
          MAGNOLIA IS WORKING ON THE NEXT TWO BUILDINGS. THE ELEVATOR SHAFTS ARE UP. IS LEASING OUT AND WE HEARD SOME WORD ABOUT RESTAURANTS GOING INTO SOME OF THE SPACES. I WILL HAVE MORE UPDATES ON THAT A LITTLE LATER. THE SIGNATURE, ALSO PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN. THEY ARE FULLY LEASING. I KNOW HARMONY AT THE CORNER HAS OPENED UP ALONG ANOTHER OTHER RETAIL SPACES WITH ROUNDABOUT CORNERS LOOKING BETTER AND BETTER. 
          >> THE CROSSING CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES. THAT IS THE HEADQUARTERS AND ITS EQUAL TO SEE MAJOR OFFICE BUILDING BEING THERE FOR THE PUBLIC. THAT IS A MAJOR HEADQUARTERS PROJECT. 
          THOSE ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN IN THIS STATE. WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE AN OPERATOR ACCOMPANIED LIKE REPUBLIC HEADQUARTERS HERE. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE COMPANY AND WE ARE VERY LUCKY. 
          >> IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE THAT THE THAWED COMING ALONG IN THAT PROJECT. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO RETAIL ANNOUNCEMENTS THERE. ON 111 SOUTH GRANGE LINE, THEY'RE COMING ALONG. 
          THEY ARE NOW DOING ALONG ALONG THE RINGSIDE FRONTAGE. THAT BUILDING IS NOW FULL WITH OVER AND ABOVE BEYOND THE. THE REST OF US FILLED WITH HEADQUARTERS. SOME OF WHICH HAVE MOVED HERE 
          FROM INDIANAPOLIS. >> TODAY IS A GIANT CONCRETE STRUCTURE BUT ONE DAY, IT'S GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE WITH A PLAZA RIGHT AT THE OLD MERIDIAN AND MAIN STREET ROUNDABOUT CORNER. LOTS OF PROGRESS HAPPENING IN OUR MIDTOWN AREA WITH THE MERCHANTS BANK EXPANSION AND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING UP. THAT IS ALL UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND FINALLY I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT AGAIN TO THE TOWNSHIP. THEY ARE LEADING ON THE HISTORICAL STUDY SOCIETY PROJECT. WHICH LOOKS GREAT. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> THANK YOU. THE HOUSING TASK FORCE FINALIZED ITS REPORT AND PRESENTED IT. I KNOW YOU ARE A PRESENTER AND PART OF THOSE MEETINGS. WERE THERE ANY FINDINGS IN THE REPORT OR ANYTHING THAT MAY INFORM THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IN THE FUTURE WHEN IT PLANS HOUSING BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND ADMINISTRATION FEEDBACK 
          >> ONE OF THE FINDINGS SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT IF WE ARE BUILDING APARTMENTS, WE SHOULD WEAR APPROPRIATE FOCUS ON MAKING THAT MULTI FAMILY NOT BUT THE COMPONENT OF A PROJECT WHERE WE CAN FOCUS ON WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT WITH LOTS OF DESIRABLE COMPONENTS WHERE MULTI FAMILIES ONLY A PORTION OF THAT. I THINK WE WILL SEE MUCH LESS OR NONE AT ALL. JUST CLEARLY MULTI MULTI FAMILY PROJECTS AND WHEN THEY ARE UNNECESSARY THE MILITARY OF A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS WE 
          WANT TO SEE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR 
          COUNSELOR TAYLOR? >> HAS THERE EVER BEEN A TIME WE HAVE LENT A DEVELOPER CASH AND SERVE AS THEIR BANK FOR REPAYMENT OF A CASH CONTRIBUTION . 
          >> NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF. LET ME ADDRESS THIS. WARREN JOHNSON BUILT AN AMAZING PROJECT AT RANGELINE. IT'S GREAT. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. I APPRECIATE THE KIND OF CARE THAT HE TOOK THE INTERACTION WITH THE ROUNDABOUT. I 
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APPRECIATE THAT IT'S A GREAT WELDING. IT'S A REALLY GREAT PROJECT. IT'S ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. I THINK THAT THERE IS A 
          STARBUCKS IN THERE? >> PMO IS A TENANT. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S A REALLY NICE PROJECT. I THINK GENERALLY THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION GETS INVOLVED IN A FAIRLY LARGE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS THAT GENERATE A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE WHICH GENERATE TO ENABLE SOMETHING GREAT HAPPENED 
          IN THE PROJECTS. >> TIFF. TAX FINANCE THAT COMES FROM PROPERTY TAXES. YOU ARE CORRECT. A PROJECT NEEDS TO BE AT A CERTAIN SCALE IN ORDER TO EVEN HAVE A CONVERSATION TO BE IN THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP REALM. AS WE SAW SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT I HAVE JUST SHOWN, THERE FRANKLY HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AT TIMES. THEY ARE MARQUEE PROJECTS. WHEN YOU ARE AT THAT SCALE, YOU CAN AFFORD TO PAY THE HIGH COST OF DOING THIS PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS IN THE WENT OFF FROM THOSE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS IS SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. THERE IS ENOUGH TIFF GENERATED THE PAY FOR A PARKING GARAGE THAT CAN BENEFIT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. WHILE MR. JOHNSON PROJECT WAS GREAT, IT WAS ABOUT. I THINK IT GENERATED ABOUT A TOTAL OF $150,000. IT WAS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH PROJECT. 
          JOHNSON DID FLOW AN IDEA WHAT TO LOAN HIM MONEY AND TAKE THE MORTGAGE ON PROPERTY AND WE DON'T REALLY INTERACT LIKE THAT WITH PROJECTS. WE TRY TO BE MORE HANDS-OFF WHEN DEVELOPER IS FULLY INVOLVED INCLUDING ON THE LENDERS SIDE AND FOR THAT REASON, AND REALLY, THE SKILL OF MR. JOHNSON'S PROJECT, IT WAS JUST NOT PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. I DO THINK IT ENHANCES THAT ROUNDABOUT. 
          >> I WAS JUST REALLY CONCERNED WHEN I HEARD FOR 18 YEARS ABOUT AS POSSIBLY BEING A LENDER. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I CAN CONFIRM WITH THAT TYPE OF RISK. 
          >> THAT IDEA WAS ON NONSTARTER. 
          >> THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT GOING FORWARD ON THESE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE THAT THE CITY OF CARMEL IS NOT ON THE HOOK FOR THE REPAYMENT OF THE TIF FUND. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. >> I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN YOUR PROJECT CAME THROUGH, I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD NOTHING BUT POSITIVE THINGS TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY. I DO THINK WHILE THIS MAY NOT BE THE AVENUE TO HELP SMALLER PROJECTS LIKE YOURS, I THINK THE CITY CAN PROBABLY DO MORE TO NOT JUST HELP THE BIG DEVELOPERS BUT ALSO, SMALLER PROJECTS AS WELL. 
          MAYBE THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS IN THE VEHICLE FOR THAT BUT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME CONVERSATION ADMINISTRATION ABOUT WAYS WE CAN MAKE THE PROCESS EASIER FOR YOU AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR SMALLER PROJECTS GET LOVE AND SUPPORT AND THAT WE ARE NOT DISPUTING OUR ATTENTION ON THE BIG GUYS. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU AT SOME POINT ABOUT HOW THE PROCESS WAS FOR YOU GOING THROUGH THAT AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS AND MAKE IT EASIER, I HEAR STORIES OF RESTAURANTS OR OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES TRYING TO GET OPEN AND HAVING TO GO THROUGH RED TAPE AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S OUR GOAL AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING WE CAN EVER DO TO MAKE THAT PROCESS EASIER, WE SHOULD DO THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HENRY? ALL RIGHT, THANKS. MOVING ON TO LETTER E. WE HAVE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT WE KEPT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE -- AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND GIVING THIS FINAL REPORT FOR THE CABLE AND TELECOMMUNICATION S. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY, COUNCIL. AS YOU HEAD 
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MENTIONS , THE MAYOR AND I DECIDED TO DISTRIBUTION THIS COMMISSION. I WANTED TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED FROM THE COMMISSION OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. THE TRYING TO CABLE AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION HAS BEEN ENHANCING INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES. 
          THEIR EFFORTS HAVE FOCUSED ON EXPANDING BROADBAND ACCESS, IMPROVING SERVICE QUALITY AND FOSTERING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          REGARDING BROADBAND EXPANSION, ONE OF THE COMMISSION'S MOST NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENT HAS BEEN THAT SUCCESSFUL EXPANSION OF HIGH-SPEED BROADBAND INTERNET ACCESS ACROSS CARMEL. 
          RECOGNIZING THE GROWING NEED FOR ROBUST ACTIVITY. THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSERVED AREAS ENSURING THAT RESIDENCES AND BUSINESSES ALIKE HAVE ACCESS TO FAST INTERNET. THE SUSPENSION IS ONLY IMPROVED PRODUCTIVITY BUT IS ALSO SUPPORTED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION AND OPPORTUNITY. WE WORKED WITH ALL THE LOCAL PROVIDERS AND WERE ABLE TO GET SOME NOTICE WHEN NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD ENHANCEMENT. REGARDING ENHANCED SERVICE QUALITY. THIS HAS WORKED TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF TELE-COMMUNICATION CARE SERVICES IN CARMEL. THEY HAVE FACILITATED PARTNERSHIPS WITH PROVIDERS TO UPGRADE INFRASTRUCTURE, REDUCE SERVICE OUTAGES AND INCREASE INTERNET SPEEDS. THROUGH REGULAR ASSESSMENT AND FEEDBACK, THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN PROACTIVE IN ADDRESSING ISSUES AND ENSURING THAT RESIDENTS RECEIVE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THEY DESERVE. MUCH OF THIS IS BEHIND-THE-SCENES AND MAY NOT HAVE EVEN NOTICED ANY TYPE OF CHANGE EXCEPT THAT FASTER SERVICE SPEEDS WERE NOT MADE AVAILABLE. REGARDING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND EDUCATION. EIGHT BIG ISSUE THAT CAME ABOUT WITH THE CONSTITUENCY IS THE IMPACT THAT SMALL CELLS AND THE CONVERSION WOULD HAVE ON OUR HEALTH. WE HAD SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. 
          PARTICULARLY IF THERE WAS A SMALL CELL GOING UP IN THEIR AREA OR IF THEY THOUGHT THE LOOK WERE DETRACTING. I HAPPEN TO WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT DOES A LOT OF THE INSTALLS BUT NOT IN CARMEL BUT NATIONALLY AND I WAS ABLE TO DIVIDE INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION THAT LATER WENT OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES ABOUT HOW THERE IS VIRTUALLY NO HEALTH RISK TO RADIATION EXPOSURE FOR THAT ALLOW FOR MOBILE TRAFFIC. THE CONCLUSION IS OVERALL, THE TELCO INDICATION ACHIEVEMENT OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS REFLECT A COMMITMENT TO ENHANCING CONDUCTIVITY AND PRODUCING SERVICE QUALITY AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WHILE THE ENTIRE COMMISSION WAS VERY HAPPY TO SERVE, NOT GOING TO THE COMMISSION ANY LONGER. ALLOW CONSTITUENTS TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS DIRECTLY TO YOU. THE COUNCILPERSON AND HAD IT BROUGHT UP IN THIS INSTEAD. ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE COMMISSION, WE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE. 
          >> COUNSELOR'S LETTER? COUNSELOR SNYDER? 
          >> I'VE ONLY BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMMISSION FOR ABOUT FIVE 
          YEARS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT COUNSELOR AND I HAD ENVISIONED. 
          WE LEFT THE COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE DISBANDED. HE SAID WHAT ARE YOU DOING? HE SAID I WROTE THE ORDINANCE THAT CREATED THAT BACK IN. I THINK SOME OF THE MORE MONUMENTAL THINGS LIKE ROTARY TELEPHONES TO MODEMS, TO INTERNET AND CABLE AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS WITH A WALKED ON HISTORY LANE IN CARMEL WAS WHAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING. THIS WAS FANTASTIC. I DID NOT KNOW A NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS. THANK 
          YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS INTO THINK THE COMMISSION FOR EVERYTHING THAT IT HAD DONE TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO WORK FROM HOME AND DO ALL THE AMAZING THINGS THAT WERE ABLE TO DO IN OUR COMMUNITY AND EDUCATING OUR COMMUNITY ON THE HEALTH IMPLICATIONS OF SOME OF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS REALLY VERY IMPORTANT. I COMMEND YOU FOR 
          THAT, THANK YOU. >> STEPHANIE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND EVERYTHING THE CABLE AND TELCO INDICATION HAVE 
          DONE. THANK YOU. >> MOVING ON TO 11. THELATVIAN SISTER CITY POLICE EXCHANGE PROGRAM. 
          >> IF YOU CAN HIT -- THERE YOU GO. YOU ARE ON. 
          >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? I GENERALLY DO NOT NEED A MICROPHONE BUT GLAD TO HAVE ONE. AGAIN, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN TAYLOR FOR THE INVITATION TO SPEAK TODAY ABOUT OUR SISTER CITY PARTNERSHIP WITH CARMEL SPECIFICALLY ABOUT OUR CARMEL PD EXCHANGE. ON THE 
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SON OF LATVIAN IMMIGRANTS WHO LEFT LATVIA DURING THE SOVIET RUSSIAN OCCUPATION. THIS WAS A VERY SPECIAL PROJECT. IT WAS ONE OF OUR FIRST PROJECTS AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH CARMEL. MY GRANDFATHER WAS POLICE CAPTAIN BETWEEN WORLD WAR I AND WORLD WAR II TO. ALWAYS HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH CARMEL PD AND IT WAS GREAT WORKING WITH CHIEF PARTLOW AND CHIEF LAST YEAR AS WE SET UP THIS PROGRAM. THAT WAS OUR FIRST VISIT WHEN CAME OVER FOR A TWO WEEK PERIOD AND IT WAS REALLY AN IMMERSIVE EXTERIOR FOR THEM. THEY SPENT TIME NOT ONLY WORKING WITH CARMEL OFFICERS DAY IN AND DAY OUT BUT INTERACTING WITH THE COMMUNITY. THEY ALSO SPENT TIME LIVING WITH OFFICERS. TO REALLY GET THAT AMERICAN EXPERIENCE. HE GOT A CHANCE TO GO TO A FOOTBALL GAME. THEY ALSO HAVE ANOTHER TRADITIONAL AMERICAN EXPERIENCE WHICH THEY REALLY APPRECIATE. I KNOW WE CAME TO VISIT ALL OF YOU LAST YEAR AND, AGAIN, THERE WAS SO MUCH THEY LEARNED ABOUT POLICING. THE COMMUNITY INTERACTION WITH POLICING IS SOMETHING THAT THEY FOUND REMARKABLE. BOTH IN A WAY THAT THE CARMEL PD OFFICERS INTERACTED WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THE WAY THE COMMUNITY INTERACTED WITH THE CARMEL PD. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I TOOK BACK. THE CITIZENS ACADEMY. 
          THEY THOUGHT WAS AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE. THEY ALSO THOUGHT THE PUBLIC SERVICE DAY OUT BY 116TH AND MERIDIAN WAS ALSO AMAZING. THEY ALSO HAD SOME GREAT PIZZA, AS YOU CAN SEE AND REALLY ENJOYED IT. THE GREAT THING IS THEY GOT TO MEET PEOPLE. IT WAS VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE. WE ALSO HAD A CHANCE TO SEND TWO OF OUR AWESOME OFFICERS TO. OFFICER VAZQUEZ AND MIKE MORLEY. I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE HAD A CHANCE TO SEND A FEMALE OFFICER THERE. OF COURSE, WE HAVE QUITE A NUMBER OF FEMALE OFFICERS ON CPT. THEY HAD ONE. IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR WOMEN AND YOUNG GIRLS TO SEE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, FEMALES THAT BASICALLY PATROL IN CARMEL THE SAME WAY ALL THE MALE OFFICERS DO. MIKE MORLEY, IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE SOMEONE WITH HIS UNIQUE EXPERIENCE. OUR PROXIMITY TO RUSSIA MAKES IT SOMEWHAT A DANGEROUS NEIGHBORHOOD. LUCKILY, WE ARE PART OF NATO SO WE ARE SAFE BUT IT REALLY TURNED OUT TO BE ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING EXPERIENCES. A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPE POLICING. IN LATVIA, PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE FIREARMS. A LOT DIFFERENT HERE WHEN THE OFFICERS CAME HERE. THEY ALSO HAD A CHANCE TO INTERACT WITH OUR DRUG TASK FORCE AS WELL AS SPEND THE DAY WITH I AM PD. WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD IN CARMEL. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY WELL-RECEIVED BUT ACTUALLY IN ALL OF LATVIA. WHEN THEY HEARD THAT THERE WERE CARMEL POLICE OFFICERS COMING IN, THAT WAS PRETTY BIG NEWS. THIS YEAR, WE HAD TWO ADDITIONAL OFFICERS COME. THIS WAS BACK IN JULY. ALSO SPENT A COUPLE WEEKS HERE WORKING ON TRAINING WITH EVERYBODY. 
          EVERYTHING FROM THE PHYSICAL TRAINING OF FIREARMS TO THE CANINE, ALL OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO LEARN WERE REALLY EMBEDDABLE. AGAIN, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SERVICE, WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING THE PUBLIC, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE MORE IMPACTFUL TYPES OF OWNERSHIPS WE CAN FORM. SOMETHING WERE GOING TO CONSIDER ALSO FOR OTHER SISTER CITIES. I HAPPEN TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF A SISTER CITY PARTNERSHIP. I'M ALSO THE COUNCIL FOR LATVIA TO THE STATE OF INDIANA. I WEAR A COUPLE DIFFERENT HATS BUT WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO COORDINATE PARTNERSHIPS AND EXCHANGE OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE OTHER SISTER CITIES THAT WE HAVE FOR CARMEL. A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON THE WAY THERE POLICE FORCES. SOME ARE FEDERAL, SOME ARE NATIONAL AND NOT I LOCAL LEVEL LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE ONES THAT IS WORKED OUT VERY WELL. I DID WANT TO QUICKLY SHARE ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS WONDERFUL. 
          >> CAN YOU SEE THAT? YOU GUYS CANNOT SEE THAT FOR SOME 
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REASON. I CANNOT EXPLAIN THAT ONE. CAN YOU? IT'S ON FACEBOOK. THIS IS DEFINITELY USER ERROR. I'M LUCKY I COULD 
          GET IT TO PLAY. >> THIS IS A GREAT THING THAT CARMEL PUT TOGETHER. CARMEL PD DID FOR US. 
          >> I DID WANT TO RECOGNIZE, OF COURSE, CHIEF PARTLOW FOR STARTING THIS PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM AND CHIEF STERLING FOR CONTINUING. ALL THE CARMEL PD OFFICERS THAT MADE THEM A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY LEARNED WAS VERY SPECIAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW THE MAYOR OF HJELDE OF TO THE MAYOR FOR ALLOWING THAT OPPORTUNITY. I DID WANT TO THROW IN ONE QUICK THING BECAUSE NOT ONLY WE HAVE POLICE AND DOCTORS AND ARTISTS BUT WE GOT OUR DANCE GROUP COMING IN FOR THE INTERNATIONAL ART FESTIVAL. THEY WILL BE DANCING BOTH SATURDAY AND SUNDAY BUT THERE IS A SPECIAL PERFORMANCE AT CARMEL MIDDLE SCHOOL ON THE 27TH AT 7 P.M. SO WE HAVE 22 DANCERS LYING IN. TO BE A PART OF THAT AND WE HAVE GOTTEN THAT OUT IN THE PUBLIC. THE MORE, THE MERRIER. IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY AND ALL OF YOU JOIN US AS WELL. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? 
          >> ANGELA TAYLOR? >> WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST SURPRISE THAT WAS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE POLICE OFFICERS COMPARED TO HOW WE OPERATE HERE IN CARMEL. 
          >> IT'S THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS. HOW INCREDIBLY GOOD THE RELATIONS ARE BETWEEN THEM. WE DON'T GET THAT KIND OF WELCOME. IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OLD-FASHIONED MIND-SET. 50 YEARS OF OCCUPATION MIGHT DO THAT YOU. 
          THE POLICE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BUT THERE IS SO MUCH TO LEARN ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND RELATIONS. I 
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THINK JUST THE WAY THE COMMUNITY ACCEPTS AND THINKS THE OFFICERS. THE WAY THAT THE OFFICERS INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY, SMILING, ENGAGING ON A VERY PROFESSIONAL LEVEL. THAT WAS THE BIGGEST PART THAT TOOK BACK. 
          >> ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. HAVE A NICE 
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EVENING. MOVING ONTO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. OLD BUSINESS. THE FIRST ITEM,SEVENTEENTH READING OF ORDINANCE D-2696-23; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, ADDING CHAPTER 8, ARTICLE 4, SECTION 8-44 TO THE CARMEL CITY SPONSORS, COUNSELORWORRELL AND AASEN. SENT TO THE FINANCE, UTILITIES AND RULES COMMITTEE. 
          MOVING ONTO THE NEXT ITEM.FOURTH READING OF ORDINANCE D-2719-24; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TAX INCREMENT REVENUE BONDS TO SUPPORT THE PROSCENIUM III PROJECT, AND AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING OTHER ACTIONS IN RESPECT THERETO; SPONSOR: COUNCILOR AASEN. HELD OVER FROM LAST MEETING. WE HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT COUNSELORS HAD. TRAFFIC, PARKING, ALSO SOME QUESTIONS OR ISSUES ABOUT THE APARTMENTS. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO HENRY TO CATCH US UP AND RESPOND TO SOME OF THE 
          QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DO NOT WANT TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY. WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT THIS IS A DEVELOP DEVELOPER BOND. A DEVELOPER BOND MEANS THE CITY IS ACTING AS A PASS-THROUGH. WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT PAYS ITS TAXES, THOSE TAXES GO THROUGH THE CITY TO THE OLD HOLDER OF THE TIF BOND. IF FOR SOME REASON ARE NOT ENOUGH FOR WHAT THE TIF BOND HOLDER WAS EXPECTING, THE CITY IS NOT ON THE HOOK. THAT IS THE DEVELOPER'S RISK. WE ARE PURELY ACTING AS A PASS-THROUGH BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS YOU HAVE TO ACT AS A PASTOR BUT THERE IS NO RISK TO THE CITY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS NO FINANCIAL OBLIGATION TO THE CITY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE TAXPAYERS ARE NOT AT RISK, THE CITY IS NOT AT RISK. ALL THE RISK IS PURELY ON THE DEVELOPER. I DON'T WANT TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOTE THAT AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS. TO REMIND EVERYONE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, SINCE THE LAST TIME IT WAS PRESENTED, THERE HAS BEEN AN ADJUSTMENT. 30 OF 40 OF THE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE AGE TARGETED. THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE CITY HALL VIEW OF IT AND THIS IS VETERANS WAY. WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS A HOTEL THE RANGELINE ROUNDABOUT. 63,000 SQUARE FOOT AT THE ROUNDABOUT. ABOUT 130 APARTMENTS HERE. BETWEEN 30 AND 40 HERE. THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT IS CLOSEST TO OVERLOOKING OUR EXPANDED WATERFALL. THIS IS GOOD TO BE AN AGE PROJECT. IT CAN BE HIGHLY AMENDED SIZE TO. 
          IT WILL BE HERE ON THE CORNER. THAT IS CERTAINLY A NEW FEATURE OF THIS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS VIEW SHOWS ALSO IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT COUNSELORS RAISED AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          VETERANS WAY RUNS TO THE CITY PARKING LOT AND IF YOU BRING THIS DEVELOPMENT ONLINE, IT'S PROBABLY LOOK MORE LIKE A STREET GRID AND LESS LIKE A PARKING LOT FLOWING INTO A ROAD. I KNOW YOU HAVE THE CITY'S CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER HERE BUT THE DEVELOPER AND JEREMY CASH HAVE BEEN EXCHANGING COMMUNICATIONS AND THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE FINAL VERSION. JUST A VERSION OF THIS. THIS KIND OF SHOWS. BY THE WAY, THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO FUND THIS. IT SHOWS HOW ADD AN EDGE TO VETERANS WEIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE ADDED A CURB. TO MAKE VETERANS WAY FEEL LIKE A STREET INSTEAD OF AN EXTENSION OF OVERFLOWING PARKING LOT. IT GIVES A GOOD 
          EDGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT. >> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT 
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WERE RAISED BY COUNSELORS WAS WHETHER THE PROJECT CAN PARK ITSELF. WHAT YOU HAVE HERE AND I WILL SET THE STAGE FOR THAT. 
          WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THE BENEFIT OF DIFFERENT USES WHERE THE USERS USE PARKING SPACES AT DIFFERENT TIMES SO THAT AN EFFECTS, THE SAME CAR IN PARKING SPACE CAN HAVE A CAR THAT IS THERE AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY. YOU HAVE 62,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE. HONESTLY, MOSTLY DURING THE DAY. AND NOT ON THE WEEKENDS. YOU HAVE MULTI FAMILY THAT IS THERE ON WEEKENDS AND USUALLY IN THE EVENINGS BUT NOT AS MUCH DURING THE DAY. DURING WORK TIME, AGE TARGET IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT OF A PRODUCT. THEY REQUIRE LESS GENERALLY AND THERE GENERALLY . DO NOT SEE AS MANY TRIPS AS OTHERS WOULD SEE FROM STANDARD MULTI FAMILY. WE ALSO HAVE A HIGH END HOTEL. WE KNOW THAT GENERALLY, THIS IS GOING TO SOUND -- THIS IS PART OF THE LEARNING FROM . HIGHER END HOTELS ESPECIALLY IN AREAS LIKE THIS. WHILE THIS IS BEING THOUGHT OF AS ROOM, THEY DON'T REALLY GENERATE ROOM. A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO HOOVER HERE. THAT IS JUST KIND OF HOW THIS GOES. WHAT YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY HAVING HIS THE OFFICE WORKERS HERE DURING THE DAY AND THE HOTEL PEOPLE HERE DURING THE DAY AND THE OFFICE WORKERS LEAVE AND THE RESIDENCE COME BACK AT NIGHT. THAT IS HOW YOU FLEX THE PARKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT, ITSELF 
          CAN BE PARKED. >> THIS ONE IS KIND OF COMP LOCATED LET ME GO THROUGH WITH THIS. WHAT THIS DOES IS IT SHOWS, ESSENTIALLY FOUR DIFFERENT KINDS OF USERS, LOOKING AT THE TIME ON THE LEFT, FOR EVERY SINGLE HOUR, THIS IS A WEEKDAY CHART. THE WEEKEND CHART IS EASIER BECAUSE OFFICE PEOPLE ARE GONE. YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXTRA SPACES. WHENEVER YOU ARE DOING A THING ON THE WEEKENDS, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE EXTRA PARKING. WE KNOW PARKING IS ALWAYS THE TIGHTEST ON ANY PROJECT, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE TIGHTEST ON LUNCH TIME. WEEKDAY LUNCHTIME. THAT'S GOING TO BE ON ANY PROJECT. I WILL TAKE YOU RIGHT TO THE MOST ON ANYTIME YOU DO THE SPECULATION. I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU RIGHT TO THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION WHICH IS WHAT DOES NOON AND 1 P.M. LOOK LIKE? NEW -1 P.M., WE ARE ASSUMING HALF THE PEOPLE THERE ARE FOR MULTI FAMILY. THAT 50% IS PRETTY CONSERVATIVE. I HAVE SEEN IT AS LOW AS 35% DURING THE DAY FOR 35% OF THE RESIDENCE THERE WITH. WE PUT IN ABOUT 50%. THAT IS BEING QUITE CONSERVATIVE. AROUND LUNCHTIME, WE ARE GUESSING 88-92% OF THE OFFICE WORKERS ARE IN THE OFFICE. WHAT YOU SEE OFTEN TIMES WITH OFFICES AS THEY WILL BUT NOT FIVE TIMES A WEEK KIND OF THING. THIS 92-80% IS PRETTY PEAK. AND THE REST OF IT FLOATS THROUGH BUT THE POINT IS EVEN IF IT TOUGHEST TIME WHICH IS 1 P.M. DURING THE WEEK, SO THE OFFICE WORKERS ARE BACK. IF SOMEONE HOME FOR LUNCH, THE CAR IS PROBABLY STILL THERE. WE HAVE AN EXCESS OF EXTRA SPOTS. 
          AND AND THE REST OF THE TIME, THERE IS A HUGE EXCESS OF SPOTS. IF YOU ARE THINKING I ENJOY GOING TO THE GAZEBO CONCERT ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT. THEY STARTED SEVEN OR 730. 
          SORRY. THEY STARTED SEVEN. 7:00, THERE IS 80 EXTRA FREE SPEECH IS IN THIS GARAGE ON A WEEKDAY. WEEKENDS ARE OBVIOUSLY MUCH BETTER BECAUSE THE WHOLE OFFICE IS ON SO MOST OF THE TIMES THERE'S HUNDREDS OF EXTRA SPACE FOR OUR CITY. IF YOU REMEMBER A MAJORITY OF GENERALLY GARAGES TO BE 75% OF ANOTHER PROJECT FIRST-COME, FIRST-SERVED. IF YOU GET THERE BEFORE THE RESIDENT IS THERE, YOU GET TO PARK IN THE SPOT AND THAT IS OKAY. THIS GARAGE IS DIFFERENT AND GOING TO HAVE 80% TO HELP THE PARKING SITUATION BUT GENERALLY, THIS GARAGE 
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PARKS ITSELF. THE PROJECT PARKS ITSELF AND HAS ACCESS SPACES AT ALL TIMES. WE HAVE SEEN THE SUCCESS OF THE MODEL JUST SOUTH OF THIS. BUT KIND OF PROVIDES UPDATES TO THE PROJECT. WE HAVE TONY OR I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          >> JUST ON THE PARKING THING, DO YOU EVER HAVE THOSE NUMBERS SHIPPED BASED ON HAVING TENANTS RETELL RESTAURANT THAT ARE MORE OF A DAYTIME AUDIENCE VERSUS EVENING . DO YOU PLAN THAT WHEN YOU ARE LEASING UP THE SPACES TO SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALL 
          HAVE BREAKFAST PLACES. >> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT NOW. THE OVERTURE WHICH SOME PEPLE REFERRED TO AS, WE HAVE 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND WE ARE WORKING TO GET BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND DINNER. SO THAT WE SHARE IN THE PARKING THROUGHOUT THE DAY. LOOKING TO FIND THE RIGHT TENANTS FOR THROUGHOUT THE DAY. 
          >> JEREMY, CAN YOU TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT -- WE HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BUT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON VETERANS WAY AND IN THAT AREA. 
          >> THE FIRST THING WE ADDRESS WAS THIS PICTURE THAT IS UP ON THE SCREEN AS FAR AS WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ON VETERANS WAY. WE WILL TAKE SOME OF THOSE SPACES. CURRENTLY, YOUR PULLING AND AUNT BACKING OUT OF VETERANS WAY. CONVERTING THOSE TO THOSE ON STREET PARKING SPACES. ALSO ADDING A SIDEWALK ALONG THERE. IF YOU WALK ALONG VETERANS WAY NOW, COMING FROM THE JAPANESE GARDEN, THERE IS AN A.D.A. RAMP THAT LEAD YOU TO NOWHERE. THE IDEA WOULD BE TO CONNECT THAT TO THE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD TAKE YOU TO THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF CITY HALL. FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, WE HAVE ANALYZED TAKING EACH INDIVIDUAL USE AND LOOKING AT THE TRIPS THAT EACH USE GENERATES AS WELL AS ALSO IN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE SOME INTERNAL TRIPS SO YOU MIGHT GO TO THE OFFICE BUT YOU'RE GOING TO RETAILER GOING TO LUNCH SO BACKING SOME OF THOSE OUT TO GET THE MAXIMUM TIMEFRAME, WE END UP WITH ABOUT 150-180 TRIPS IN THE PEAK HOUR DURING THE A.M. OR P.M.. REALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL CAPACITY OF VETERANS WAY, VETERANS WAY IS VERY UNDERUSED RIGHT NOW. WHEN WE LOOK AT CAPACITY OF A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT, WE ARE LOOKING AROUND 50-1800 VEHICLES PER HOUR, PER LANE. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRIPS. THAT IS PROBABLY ROUGHLY 10% OF THE CAPACITY OF VETERANS WAY. WHAT ALSO DOES NOT CAUSE ME HEARTBURN ABOUT HAVING THE PROJECTS ON VETERANS WAY IS REALLY, THE NETWORK SURROUNDING GIVES YOU OPTIONS. I KNOW THAT WHEN I LEAVE CITY HALL ON A DAILY BASIS, I DRIVE VETERANS WAY ALL THE CITY CENTER BUT I ALSO KNOW I HAVE TO GO OUT ON THIRD AVENUE OR RANGELINE ROAD. 
          I CAN ALSO TAKE VETERANS WAY ALL THE WAY TO CARMEL DRIVE OR VETERANS WAY TO THE EXECUTIVE DRIVE ROUNDABOUT WHICH SETS UP VERY NICELY FOR EASE OF ACCESS. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR SNYDER. 
          >> FOR YOU. JUST GENERAL COMMENTS. 
          >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN YOU SAY -- I STILL CANNOT WRAP MY HEAD AROUND TO GIVE A DELTA OF 20 SPOTS THE WORST TIME. 
          RIGHT? >> 20 SPOTS ARE THE WORST, YES. 
          >> BUT THAT IS TO PARK ITSELF. THAT IS THE THING TO PARK 
          ITSELF. YES. >> DID SAY 80% IS PUBLIC PARKING DOES NOT QUITE DRIVE. IS NOT 80%. 
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          >> AT 4:30 BEFORE ALL OF THOSE RESIDENCES THAT LIVE THERE,, WHOEVER WANTS TO IN THIS COMMUNITY CAN GO AND PARK IN THE GARAGE. THE RESIDENCE COMING HOME ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING ELSE. THE PARKING WORKS ON A FIRST-COME, FIRST-SERVED BASIS BUT IT DOES DIVIDE FREE PARKING FOR THE COMMUNITY JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER GRUDGES THAT ARE 
          AROUND. >> PARKING IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PART OF ANY OF THESE URBAN PROJECTS. THERE IS NOT EXCESS MONEY FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF PARKING OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THE PROJECT NEEDS. WE HAVE SEEN IT BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE CITY CENTER AND MIDTOWN AND MAIN STREET BY HAVING PROJECTS THAT ARE PROPERLY PARKED BUT THAT PARKING IS ALSO TO THE BENEFIT OF WHOEVER ELSE USES OUR COMMUNITY AND THIS GENERALLY 
          WORKS IN. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, 
          COMMENTS? COUNSELOR? >> JUST TO FOLLOW ON THE 80-20 SPLIT, I'M WONDERING, HIGH-END HOTELS USUALLY HAVE GOOD BELLY SERVICE VALET SERVICE. THIS CAN HAVE FOR THE HOTEL AND HOW MANY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF IT? 
          >> THE DEVELOPER, AS THE DEVELOPER BRINGS ON PARTNERS IS GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH ITS PARTNERS OF THE SPACES. LET'S CALL IT 508 SPACES. 20% OF THOSE CAN BE RESERVED. THE DEVELOPER CAN FIGURE OUT WITH ITS PARTNERS HOW MUCH OF THAT GOES TO THE HOTEL AND HOW MUCH OF THAT GOES TO THE OFFICE FOR THE CEOS AND HOW MUCH OF THAT THE MULTI FAMILY GETS TO MONETIZE. THE REST IS FREE AND OPEN.. 
          >> 80-20 IS LOW. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. WHEN WE DID ONE, A LOT OF THE CORPORATE COMPANIES THAT CAME IN, THEIR EXECUTIVES WERE LOOKING FOR PARKING IN ORDER TO LEASE THE SPACE AND THE BUILDING. WE ONLY HAD SO MANY SPACES. WE REALLY WANTED THAT OFFICE SO WE TOOK THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE HAD TO BRING IN THOSE CORPORATE OFFICES. THE SME THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE AS WELL. ON THE TOP SIDE OF THE GARAGE, WE WILL UTILIZE VALET SO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO STAY AT THE HOTEL DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT PART OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. AS WE MOVE ALONG ON THE OFFICE COMPONENT, WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE TO RATION THOSE PARKING SPACES SO WE GET THE TYPE OF THAT WE WANT HERE IN CARMEL AND IT CAN BE A GOOD BENEFIT TO THIS PROJECT. 80-20, IT IS TIGHT. I KNOW THAT THE OFFICE BROKERAGE COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO WANT MUCH MORE PARKING SPACES THAN THAT BUT THAT IS THE DEAL THAT WE 
          NEGOTIATED. >> JUST TO ADD A DATA POINT ONTO THIS, THIS IS UNDERGROUND PARKING. THAT IS ABOUT $35,000 A SPACE WERE MORE. IN EXCESS OF 20 SPACES MEANS ABOUT $700,000 THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE TO SPEND FOR THERE TO BE 20 EXTRA SPACES. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT NUMBER. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT MY QUESTIONS TO MR.. I WANTED TO THANK COUNSELOR TAYLOR FOR OPENING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT AGE RESTRICTED. EXCUSE ME. AGE TARGETED. THAT IS A PRODUCT THAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A ONE TO A LONG TIME THAT WE NEED IN CARMEL. I AM INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT MAKES THESE APARTMENTS DIFFERENT SO THAT ARE IN THE SMALLER BUILDING, WHAT MAKES THESE DIFFERENT THEN THE APARTMENTS THAT WILL BE IN THE LARGER BUILDING OR ANY OF YOUR OTHER. I JUST KIND OF WANT TO 
          UNDERSTAND THAT. >> FIRST, LET ME START BY SAYING THIS WILL BE THE FIRST, I KNOW IT'S THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT IN CARMEL AND IT MAY BE IN CENTRAL INDIANA BUT WE ARE BUILDING A FIVE STAR HOTEL AND ALL THE AMENITIES OF THE FIVE-STAR HOTEL ARE UTILIZED BY THE PROJECTS. BOTH THE NON-AGE RESTRICTED IN AGE RESTRICTED. WHEN HENRY TALKED ABOUT EITHER 32 OR 40 UNITS IN THE BUILDING ON THE CORNER, THAT IS EITHER 100% TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATHS OR A HANDFUL 
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OF TWO BEDROOM TWO BATH AND THEN A FEW ONE BEDROOM ONE BATH. WHAT WE ARE DOING ON THOSE PARTICULAR UNITS IS EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE UPGRADED A LITTLE BIT FROM APPLIANCES TO FINISHES. THOSE SORTS OF THINGS ARE GOING TO BE UPGRADED A LITTLE BIT AND TARGETED SPECIFICALLY TO THAT BUYER. WE KNOW THAT BUYER PRETTY WELL BECAUSE WE ARE SELLING CONDOS. NOT ONLY DO WE SELL CONDOS. WE ARE SELLING SEVEN. WE'VE GOTTEN TO REALLY WORK AND UNDERSTAND THOSE BUYERS AND WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE IS A LOT OF 55 AND OLDER PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE IN CARMEL AND DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO BUY. THAT IS THE TARGET FOR US. THERE ARE OTHER AGE RESTRICTED DEVELOPMENTS IN CARMEL. I THINK THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST THAT IS IN THE CORE OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA WALKABLE TO THE. WE WILL STRIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT FITNESS AND THOSE COMPONENTS ARE TARGETED DIRECTLY TO THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING AND AMENITIES, WE ARE WORKING THAT DIRECTION AS WELL. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THIS IDEA CAME UP WITHIN THE LAST FEW WEEKS SO WE ARE ADJUSTING TO THAT AND SO I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FULLY. WE ARE 
          ADJUSTING. >> I WANT TO LEARN RIGHT ALONG WITH YOU. SO THE APARTMENT IN THE AGE TARGETED, IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO THEM AS AGE TARGETED? 
          >> THIS WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE OTHER APARTMENTS. I SUSPECT THEY WILL BECAUSE THERE IS A UNIQUENESS TO THEM. IT'S VERY TARGETED. WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT, WE ARE NOT DOING 200. 
          WE ARE DOING A VERY TARGETED 40 UNITS. AS YOU KNOW WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE EXPANSION ON THE POND THERE, THE VIEWS ARE GOING TO BE SPECTACULAR AND AGAIN, SOME OF THE ACCESS TO A FIVE-STAR HOTEL IS PRETTY UNIQUE. SO THAT HELPS TO SET THE PRICE BUT THE SAME IS GOING TO GO THROUGH FOR THE OTHER 
          APARTMENT UNITS AS WELL. >> 50 PEOPLE MY AGE COULD ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE OTHER APARTMENT AS WELL. THAT IS GOING ON ALL THROUGHOUT THE CORE. THESE WILL BE RESERVED FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS THE RIGHT BIRTHDAY. ALL RIGHT, GREAT. SO AS I LOOK UP THERE, THE HOTEL IS AT THE OPPOSITE END FOR THE AMENITIES AS WHERE THE AGE TARGETED WILL BE? 
          >> THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR. IT IS ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE AND ADJACENT, THE AGE RESTRICTED ON THE SOUTH WEST SIDE. 
          >> OKAY. PERFECT. WILL THERE BE ANY SPECIAL PARKING FOR AGE TARGETED FOLKS OR IS IT JUST LIKE BUT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT 
          AT 20%? >> 20% OF THE RESERVE AND WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BE SMART ABOUT THAT AND HOW WE RESERVE THOSE. 
          I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER. >> OKAY, GREAT. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR SNYDER. 
          >> ON THE AGE TARGETED, SINCE WERE STILL USING THE WORDS. 
          WOULD YOU ALLOW ANY AGE TO LIVE THERE BY HOUSING STANDARDS? AGE TARGETED MEANS WE WOULD LIKE OLDER FOLKS TO LIVE THERE BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO. AS OPPOSED TO AGE RESTRICTED. 
          >> THAT IS NOT THE COMMITMENT OF YOUR WAKING WE ARE MAKING. 
          AGE RESTRICTED IS DESIGNED AT 55 AND OLDER. YOU CANNOT BE YOUNGER AND LIVE IN THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING. THE BUILDING ADJACENT, YOU CERTAINLY CAN. 
          >> PERFECT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          >> COUNSELOR TAYLOR? >> I HAD A COMMENT. THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. COUNSELOR SNYDER, THAT WAS GREAT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I INTENDED. THANK YOU FOR COVERING THAT. WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT, I'VE GOT TO BE HONEST, I WAS A NO. I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON VETERANS WAY. I SHARED CONCERNS WITH MANY OTHERS WITHOUT THE DATA ON IT BEING ABLE TO BE TO COVER THE PARKING NEEDED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO, I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT 80/20. I JUST WANTED TO THANKS, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR AND DIRECTOR. I AM REALLY PUSHING US TO TAKE A BIGGER LOOK IN OUR COMMUNITY LIKE JEFF AT ACCOMMODATING 
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THOSE WHO HAVE INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS. AND PROVIDING OPTIONS FOR SENIORS TO LIVE AND STAY IN OUR COMMUNITY IF THEY CHOOSE TO DOWNSIZE OR FOR SENIORS TO RELOCATE TO OUR COMMUNITY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR INCORPORATING THIS IN THE PROJECT. I THINK IT IS WELL NEEDED. AND IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT WITH APARTMENTS AT THIS LOCATION, I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT TO RESERVE A THIRD OF THOSE FOR THOSE 55 AND OLDER. I APPRECIATE THESE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AND THEY HAVE 
          ADDRESSED MY CONCERNS. >> COUNSELOR? 
          >> WHAT IS THE RED THING BEHIND THE HOTEL? I HAVE SEEN IT FROM THE TOP. I JUST NOTICED IT THERE. 
          >> IS AN ARCHITECT'S INTERPRETATION OF MODERN ART THAT WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE THERE. 
          >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> IF THERE IS NO MORE 
          QUESTIONS, COUNSELOR AASEN ? >> I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW SOME OF THE REDEVELOPMENT. 
          WHAT IS OUR STRATEGY? HOW DO WE NEGOTIATE SOME OF THESE DEALS. 
          I KIND OF AGREE. WE DO NEED TO BE TOUGHER. THIS IS MY SECOND TERM ON COUNCIL AND DURING MY FIRST TERM, IN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS, WE WERE SENT A LOT OF PROJECTS AT ONCE AND A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION WITH SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS WAS CENTERED SOLELY AROUND THE FINANCING OF THOSE PROJECTS. IS THE DEBT RISK TO THE TAXPAYERS. AND IN ALL THOSE PROJECTS, THEY WERE DEVELOPER BACK PROJECTS THAT PRESENTED NO RISK TO THE TAXPAYERS. A LOT OF THEM GOT MOVED PAST THE COUNCIL BUT WE REALLY DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF CHANCE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THOSE PROJECTS WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THEN LATER ON WHEN THEY WERE BUILT, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME INSTANCES WHERE LIKE THIS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT I ENVISIONED BUT IT WAS ALREADY OUT OF OUR HANDS. WE IMPROVED THE FINANCIAL ASPECT AND WE HAD NO OTHER WAY TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE DEVELOPER AT THAT POINT. I THINK NOW, ONE, WE ARE NOT PUSHING THROUGH 5-6 PROJECTS AT MONTHS WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. WE ARE TAKING THEM ONE BY ONE AS DIRECTOR SAID. APARTMENTS WILL NOT BE THE MAIN COMPONENT OF THESE PROJECTS GOING FORWARD. THEY NEED TO HAVE OFFICE, AMENITIES. THINGS LIKE THE HOTEL. IT CANNOT JUST BE A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS WITH A BARE MINIMUM OF RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE DEVELOPERS NEED TO HAVE A WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN TO ADJUSTMENTS AND CHANGE WHEN WE HAVE THE PROJECTS THAT CAME THROUGH COUNCIL MATES ADJUSTMENTS CONVERTING A LOT OF IT TO FOR-SALE PRODUCT. REDUCING THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS. COUNSELO TAYLOR, WITH HIS WORK TO WORK FOR OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY WITH 55 AND OLDER AT THIS PROJECT, I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT THERE. AS PROJECTS COME THROUGH, HOPEFULLY DEVELOPERS HAVE THAT MIND-SET THAT IT'S NOT JUST AN UP OR DOWN VOTE. WE WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND HOPEFULLY GET SOME OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS MADE. IT DOES NOT FEEL GOOD TO APPROVE MORE APARTMENTS. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE BARE MINIMUM NEEDED TO GET THE GARAGE AND TO MAKE IT WORK. FOR ME, WHILE THE APARTMENTS CAN BE SEEN AS A NEGATIVE, THE POSITIVES OF A HOTEL AND WORLD-CLASS OFFICE SPACE IN OUR COURT OUTWEIGHS THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU THROW IN THE AGE RESTRICTED COMPONENT. I WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR AND HOPEFULLY, GOING FORWARD WE CONTINUE, WHOEVER COMES THROUGH TO HAVE THE SAME WILLINGNESS TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. IT'S NOT JUST AN UP OR DOWN VOTE, THAT IT IS A TRUE DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. I THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          >> COUNSELOR SNYDER? >> MY COMMENTS ARE LITTLE BIT CONTRARY TO MY COLLEAGUES BUT I WANT TO STRESS THAT THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION OF HIS DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS AND WILL BE VERY SUCCESSFUL. BUT WE TALKED ABOUT GETTING TO FORGET WE KEEP PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD. WE TALKED ABOUT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO A PROJECT THAT WE ALL WORKED VERY HARD ON. THERE IS NO CHANGES TO THIS. THE COMMUNITY DID NOT SAY WE DON'T WANT APARTMENTS TO BE THE FOCAL POINT. THEY SAID SLOW DOWN ON APARTMENTS. WHAT HAPPENS HERE IS WE HIT A PROJECT, WE LOOK AT IT AND WE RAISE OUR CONCERNS. AND HENRY ALREADY KNOWS OUR CONCERNS AND YET STILL CONTINUES TO 
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INTRODUCE THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE HE HAS TO. AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT WITHOUT THE APARTMENTS, THE FINANCES DO NOT WORK. I GET THAT. IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS. I HAVE OFFERED THREE OTHER ALTERNATIVES. ALL HAVE BEEN NOT ACCEPTED. ONE WAS REMOVE THE GARAGE AND APARTMENT ALTOGETHER, SURFACE MARKET UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT SOMETHING BETTER TO DO. SURFACE PARKING NEXT TO CITY HALL. I OFFERED UP CITY FUNDING GARAGE. REMOVING THE APARTMENTS, THE CITY FUNDING OF THE DELTA IS NOT DOING ANYTHING. I OFFERED UP AND WE WORKED THROUGH THESE NUMBERS AGAIN TODAY. REMOVING THE APARTMENTS AND PUTTING SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY NEEDED IN CARMEL. CONFERENCE ROOM SPACE, GATHERING SPACE, CONVENTION SPACE. IT CAN HOUSE MORE THAN 150 PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE EVENT CENTER GOING AWAY. AND FINALLY, MY LAST DITCH EFFORT TO GET THIS PROJECT WITHOUT APARTMENTS WAS TAKE THE BOND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT, SOME OF THE MONEY AND BUY THE ENTIRE PROPERTY FOR THE $10.2 MILLION WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE OUR TIME AND DEVELOP SOMETHING IN A STRUCTURE FOR MR. THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE APARTMENTS BECAUSE IT IS JUST A LOT MORE PEOPLE AND IT DOES NOT HELP THE OFFICE SPACE, THE HOTELS. THEY HELP THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN CARMEL AND I AM TIRED OF DOING THINGS TO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT LIVE IN CARMEL. IT IS ABOUT TIME WE START TAKING CARE OF OUR OWN AND THAT MEANS LISTENING TO THEM AND NOT JUST CONTINUING TO ADD MORE AND MORE PEOPLE. AT LEAST FOR A PERIOD OF TIME SO WE COULD SEE WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE FROM WHAT IS ALREADY BEEN BUILT. PART OF THAT IS WE'VE SEEN THE DOWNSIDE OF COST AND INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH SKYROCKETED AND PUT US IN AN AWFUL POSITION BECAUSE WE DID GROW VERY FAST IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND WHEN WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO SLOW DOWN THE APARTMENTS, I MEANT I'M GOING TO TRY TO SLOW DOWN THESE APARTMENTS. THE PARKING THING, YOUR GUISES MATH PENCILS OUT. 
          IT CERTAINLY, ON THE ADVOCATES THAT I USE, AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I THINK IT IS EXTREMELY UNFAIR THAT EVERY OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT IN ZONING WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW ONE RULEBOOK BUT IN C 2 ZONING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW IT AT ALL. THAT IS NOT FAIR TO OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT DON'T HAVE THAT PARTNERSHIP THAT CAN JUST TURN THEIR NOSE AT THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE HAS SPENT ALMOST AN ENTIRE YEAR WORKING ON AND WILL 
          PROBABLY CONTINUE TO WORK ON. >> THE 55 AND OLDER COMPONENT, I AGREE. I LOVE IT. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. FOR INCLUDING THIS. IT DOES NOT MOVE THE NEEDLE A WHOLE LOT FOR ME BECAUSE UNTIL THERE IS A MECHANISM, AND AS YOU SAID, THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE IN CARMEL THAT ARE 55 AND OLDER THAT WOULD LOVE TO LIVE THERE. I AM SURE THAT THAT IS TRUE BUT IT ISN'T GOING TO BE UNTIL THAT THERE IS A MECHANISM WHERE THE PEOPLE IN CARMEL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, A SOFT OPENING OR A SOFT LEASING TO SIGN UP FIRST, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PEOPLE IN CARMEL RENTING THIS. IT'S MORE HELPING PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF CARMEL THAN NOT THOSE INSIDE. I GUESS THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE HERE IS I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. I CANNOT KEEP DOING THE APARTMENTS WHEN WE SAY WERE GOING TO SLOW IT DOWN. WE HAVE YET TO TAKE A BREAK. I THINK THERE ARE BETTER ALTERNATIVES NEAR CITY HALL THAT COULD BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF A MORE FORWARD THINKING PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE AREA. THAT IS MY PIECE ON IT BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT AND THANK YOU FOR THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT YOU HAVE MADE. 
          >> RA. ANY MORE COMMENTS? COUNSELOR? 
          >> I WANT TO QUICKLY THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE CHANGES. I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT COUNSELOR SNYDER HAS MADE. I HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME CONTINUING TO ADD APARTMENTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTH DISTRICT THANK YOU. 
          >> DR. JOSIE. IN THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND I APPRECIATE SO MUCH THE AID RESTRICTED, AS I'M GOING TO CALL THEM SINCE YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AT 55 OR OLDER BUT THEY ARE NOT ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ISSUES IN THE HOUSING TASK FORCE OF LOOKING FOR MORE AFFORDABLE 
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PLACES OR REASONABLE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO BE IN. THESE TARGETED APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE SPECTACULAR AND I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO FETCH AN AMAZING PRICE FOR THE RENTAL BUT IT MAY NOT BE WHAT ALL OF OUR ELDERLY CITIZENS IN CARMEL CAN AFFORD. 
          I WILL ALWAYS TRY TO FIND THAT MIDDLE GROUND SOMEWHERE JUST SPEAKING TO THAT BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB TRYING TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH THE PROJECT AND I HAVE SEEN YOUR OTHER BUILDINGS AND I THINK THAT YOU DO A WONDERFUL JOB BUILDING SO THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION AT ALL ON THE BUILDER. IN GENERAL, I AM ALSO A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THAT HOTEL AROUND THOSE ROUNDABOUTS. THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALONG WITH OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS I WALK AROUND THOSE ROUNDABOUTS WITH A CREW THAT WAS LOOKING AT SAFETY AND BIKE ABILITY AND WALK ABILITY IN THOSE PARTICULAR ROUNDABOUTS. IT IS CHALLENGING NOW SO I AM CONCERNED THAT AS WE WILL DO MORE, IT WILL BE EVEN MORE CHALLENGING FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AND I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO VOICE THOSE. THANK YOU. 
          >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. 
          THESE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WILL BE SOME NO AND YES IS. I THINK THAT THAT IS REALLY A HEALTHY THING. WHAT I TRY TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHY AM I VOTING FOR OR AGAINST SOMETHING? THE LAST BIG BUT WE HAD ON GRAMERCY, I VOTED AGAINST THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING. SLOW DOWN OF THE APARTMENT. I CANNOT SEE A LOT OF OTHER BENEFIT TO OUR AMENITY LANGUAGE. IT WAS BEING BUILT FOR PEOPLE COMING INTO CARMEL. I WAS NOT EVEN SURE THAT THE AID RESTRICTED WOULD WORK THERE WITH GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS BUT THAT SHIP HAS SAILED. I VOTED AGAINST THAT. I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS. I WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO EXPLAIN WHY BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH NOW FOR MANY YEARS WORKING FIRST WITH REDEVELOPMENT AND AS A CITY COUNSELOR AND THAT IS CREATING A DOWNTOWN THAT BRINGS IN THINGS THAT WE NEED SUCH AS THE OFFICE SPACE. WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ON 31. THE PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE HAVING WITH THOSE BUILDINGS AND EVERYBODY NOW WANTS TO BE IN THE AREA THAT WE BUILT AND I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE IN CARMEL SEEM TO ENJOY AND LIKE. IT'S EASY TO SAY NO MORE APARTMENTS BUT I ALWAYS LIKE TO ASK YOU WHY IS THAT? THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SPECIFIC REASONS WHY PEOPLE ARE AGAINST JUST APARTMENTS GLOBALLY. IN MY GRAMERCY CASE, THERE WERE SPECIFICS ABOUT THAT BUT HERE, 1012 APARTMENTS VERSUS 150 HERE. THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE TO MAKE. AND I SHOULD SAY LIVING UNITS. THEY WERE NOT ALL APARTMENTS. WITH THAT MINIMUM, 150, WE ARE GETTING A GARAGE FIRST-CLASS HOTEL WHICH YOU HEARD THE MAYOR. I'M GLAD THAT THE MAYOR WEIGHED IN WITH HER WILL AS WELL BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE LEADERSHIP STANDPOINT THAT WE KNOW WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION STANDS AND I LOOK TO HER, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WORK THAT SHE DID ON THE HOUSING TASK FORCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT SHE WANTS. IT APPEARS TO BE IT IS BECAUSE SHE MADE IT A POINT TO DECLARE THAT AREA WITH THE HOTEL, PARKING WHICH IS FREE TO OUR RESIDENTS AND THE OFFICE SPACE WHICH WE DESPERATELY NEED, I GUESS I COULD SAY THE HUNDRED 50 APARTMENTS, WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THIS THING FINANCIALLY IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK. 
          ANYONE THAT'S GOING TO BE ANGRY WITH MY VOTE FOR 150 APARTMENTS, I'M SORRY. I'M GOING TO KEEP DOING WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO AND THAT IS TO BUILD A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT BRINGS IN CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS WHERE IT KEEPS THE RESIDENCE THAT WE HAVE HERE VERY HAPPY AND KEEPS OUR TAXES LOW. IT IS UNBELIEVABLE WHAT THESE PROJECTS DO TO ALL OF OUR TAXES IN CARMEL AND THE BENEFITS THAT WE RECEIVE. I WILL VOTE FOR THIS. I EXPECT YOU TO PUT UP JUST AS HIGH QUALITY AS YOU HAVE IN THE PAST AND TO BE A GREAT CORPORATE COMMUNITY PARTNER TO CARMEL AND SOMEONE THAT WE LOOK TO SUPPORT THE REST OF THE THINGS GOING ON IN CARMEL AS YOU DEVELOP THIS 
          PROJECT. >> COUNSELOR SNYDER? 
          >> A VERY GOOD POINT. I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S WILLINGNESS TO ASK FOR AND SUPPORT MORE APARTMENT. I THINK 
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THAT WAS GOOD. IT IS A PROJECT THAT SHE WANTED. BUT WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO COMMENT ON WAS YOU SAID THERE WILL BE SOME NOSE AND YESES HERE. AND I HAVE LIVED IN CARMEL MY WHOLE LIFE. 
          I HAVE FELT POLITICS FOR MANY YEARS. WHAT I LIKE AND ENJOY ABOUT SERVING ON THIS COUNCIL IS THERE WILL BE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THIS BUT WHAT I BELIEVE IS DIFFERENT THAN PAST COUNCILS IS THAT THERE ARE NO FACTIONS. WHEN WE LEAVE HERE, THESE WILL STILL BE SOME OF MY VERY BEST FRIENDS IN MY FAMILY. 
          I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY FEELS THE SAME WAY. JUST BECAUSE WE MAY DISAGREE ON ONE ISSUE, THIS IS KIND OF ONE OF THE FIRST WHERE I THINK IT WILL BE PRETTY SPLIT. JUST KNOW THAT WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING TOGETHER AND THIS IS NOT SOME BEGINNING OF A DIVISIVE COUNCIL OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. I APPRECIATE 
          EVERYBODY. >> ALL RIGHT. ONE LAST, AND THEN I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION. WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID, THE PUBLIC SEES A LOT OF PUBLIC MEETINGS AND LAND-USE AND FINANCE AND THEN A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS THAT TAKE LACE. IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, THERE HAS BEEN -- THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PULLED LIKE TWICE AND SAT ON INTENTIONALLY WITH A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS TAKING PLACE AMONGST ALL THE COUNSELORS ON WHAT WE AGREE ON, WHAT WE DISAGREE ON. AND WORKING WITH A LOT OF THE STAKEHOLDERS SEE WHAT WE COULD DO. A LOT OF THE CONCEPTS AND IDEAS THAT COUNSELOR SNYDER HAS COME UP WITH IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS. ONE OF THE COMMONALITIES AMONG US ALL OUR, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE OF A NICE HOTEL IN THAT AREA. THE VALUE OF THE OFFICE SPACE AND MOVING ANOTHER CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS IN THAT LOCATION. 
          THERE IS MUCH THAT WE AGREE ON. THE STICKING POINT RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN WITH APARTMENTS. THE AID RESTRICTED APARTMENTS, I THINK, IS OF WIND AND ADD VALUE TO THE WHOLE PACKAGE. WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC LOCATION. I HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN VERY HESITANT ON APARTMENT ACROSS THE BOARD BUT IT IS JUST ONE OF THOSE IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME. I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT IS THE BEST ONE. WITH THAT, I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION. 
          >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. 
          >> ANY DISCUSSION? >> ALL RIGHT. NOW YOU HAVE MADE EVERYBODY SITTING ON THE EDGE OF THE SEAT AREA PLEASE VOTE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, IT PASSES 5-3. >> MOVING ONTO THE NEXT ITEM. 
          SECOND READING ORDINANCED-2726-24; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, APPROVING AND ADOPTING A THIRD AMENDMENT TO INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT; SPONSORS COUNSELOR SNYDER AND TAYLOR. THAT REMAINS IN D-2728-24; AN ORDINANCE OF THE THE LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE. COMMON % COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF MOVING ONTO THE NEXT ITEM, SECOND CARMEL, INDIANA, AMENDING READING OF ORDINANCECHAPTER 3, ARTICLE 1, DIVISION II, SECTION 3-30 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE; SPONSOR: COUNCILOR SNYDER. HELD OVER FROM LAST MEETING. WE HAD THE FINAL REPORT BY STEPHANIE KIM WRAPPING UP MUCH OF THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND COMMENTS BY MANY OF THE COUNSELORS ABOUT THE LONG SUSTAINING AND SOME OF THE GREAT VALUE AND THINK THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS DONE. WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR 
          QUESTIONS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, JUST A QUICK COMMENT. I WAS A MEMBER OF THIS BODY IN 1988 AND I AM SORRY TO SEE IT GO BUT I KNOW IT IS THE RIGHT THING. YOU ARE JUST SHOWING ME THE DOOR, IT SOUNDS LIKE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A MOTION. 
          >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. APPROVED 8-0. THAT IS IT 
          [13. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
FOR OLD BUSINESS. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT. THEFIRST READING OF ORDINANCE Z-693-24; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, REZONING THREE PARCELS AT 452, 502, AND 5089 E. CARMEL DRIVE, CARMEL, FROM THE B8/BUSINESS TO THE C2/MIXED 
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USE DISTRICT; SPONSOR(S): COUNCILOR(S) MINNAAR AND SNYDER. COULD I GET A MOTION TO INTRODUCE. 
          >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. COUNSELOR SNYDER, CAN YOU READ THE SYNOPSIS FOR ME?SYNOPSIS: THIS ORDINANCE REZONES THREE PARCELS IN THE CARMEL MARKETPLACE FROM THE B8/BUSINESS DISTRICT TO THE C2/MIXED USE DISTRICT. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MIKE, COULD YOU GIVE 
          SOME CLARITY TO THIS? >> IS. THANK YOU. MY DIRECTOR . 
          BUT I PASSED THAT WAS THE PACKET THAT INTENDED TO BE ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE THAT DID MAKE IT IN. I WILL WALK THROUGH THIS ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.. THE PROPOSED MARKETPLACE REZONE . A KEY STEP IN THE OVERALL REDEVELOPMENT. IT'S A KEY STEP FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS PROJECT EVOLVED SINCE 2006 SINCE IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL AND THERE HAS BEEN EBBS AND FLOWS. UPS AND DOWNS. I THINK THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE FINAL PHASE WHICH HOPEFULLY, WE WILL GET TO THAT POINT TONIGHT. THE SITE, CARMEL DRIVE TRIPLE A WAY. THE 502 CENTER.. IT IS THE MISSING THE GRAMERCY PROPERTY AND THE MARKETPLACE EYE. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE OR FACILITATE KINZER WHICH WILL REALLY CONNECT THE AREAS IN THE NEIGHBORS NORTH OF, DRIVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THE C 2 CAN ONLY BE REQUESTED BY THE CITY AND THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN WHETHER THERE IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OR WITH THE DEVELOPER. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE. THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN PART BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT SINCE 2006. IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG TO GET TO THIS POINT THAT IT ALSO, IN THIS CASE, THE COUNCIL AS ALREADY WORKED IT OVER. EARLY IN THE YEAR WHEN YOU APPROVED THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS SITE, THIS IS A COMPANION ACTION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT. THE C 2 PROCESS, ITSELF, IT REQUIRES THE SAME LEVEL OF SCRUTINY THAT ANY PROJECT GOES THROUGH. THERE IS ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN APPROVAL. THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SAME NOTICE DEVELOPMENTS THAT GO ALONG WITH ANY PROJECT. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS IS NORMALCY DUE PROCESS ISN'T THIS FAR ALONG WHERE YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN VETTED TO SOME EXTENT. THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WENT ALONG WITH THE ORDINANCE FOR THE DEVELOPER. 
          THIS REASON ALSO CAME WITH A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORS. WHEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING WAS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY 8-0. THERE WAS NO FROM THE NEIGHBORS. I CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT WILL BE THAT CASE TONIGHT BUT I DO THINK THAT THE BUCKINGHAM COMPANIES HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO RESOLVE 
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ANY ISSUES OR AS MANY ISSUES AS POSSIBLE THAT WENT ALONG WITH THE DISCUSSION ON THE SITE PLAN. 
          >> HOW MANY MEETINGS DID LAND USE HAVE ON GRAMERCY? 
          >> FIVE OR SIX. >> AT LEAST FIVE. 
          >> I DO NOT MEAN TO MAKE THIS AS AN ATTACK OR SOMETHING. 
          IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A FRUSTRATION OF MINE WHEN WE HAVE THINGS TO GO OUT OF ORDER BECAUSE SAVE THE COUNCIL, THE APPROVED BONDS FOR THIS PROJECT. IF WE DECIDED TONIGHT WE DO NOT WANT TO VOTE FOR THE REZONING OF IT. NOT EVENTUALLY EFFECTIVELY KILLING A PROJECT THAT WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED. I HAVE SEEN STUFF LIKE THAT BEFORE WERE THINGS BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOU NEED VARIANCES THAT ARE NECESSARY TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK. YET THEY ARE COMING AFTER THINGS A PARTY BEEN PROVED. 
          EVEN AFTER INSTRUCTION IS STARTED. I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL UNDO EVERYTHING IT DID BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO EVER PUT IN THAT POSITION. MY QUESTION IS WHY COULDN'T WE HAVE PRESENTED THIS AT THE SAME TIME WE DID THE BONDS FOR THE PROJECT. REASON AT THE SAME TIME TO AVOID ANY OF THAT FROM HAPPENING. 
          >> WE CERTAINLY COULD DO. I DO THINK ALL ASPECTS OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS WERE LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ANGLES THAT GO ON WITH THESE. THE REASON COMES FIRST IN THE SITE PLAN. IT HAS WORKED OUT DOWN THE ROAD IS TYPICAL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM IF YOU FIGURE IT WAS INTRODUCED. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EBB AND FLOW ON THIS ASPECT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT. I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE IS 
          NO REASON WHY. >> COUNSELOR SNYDER? 
          >> I AM OBLIGATED TO SAY SOMETHING. THE LAST SECTION. I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT CAUGHT ME AT A WEEK MOMENT. THE QUESTION WAS A, WILL YOU BE A SPONSOR ON THE REZONE OF CARMEL MARKETPLACE TO WHICH I SAID ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE WE DID WORK SO HARD WITH BUCKINGHAM TO GET AN END RESULT PRODUCT. AND IT DID NOT DAWN ON ME TILL AFTER I AGREED TO C2 ZONING WHICH IS AMAZING FOR ME. I DID SPEAK WITH BUCKINGHAM THIS MORNING, I TALKED TO ABOUT THAT AND I SAID I'M NOT GOING TO RAISE ANY ISSUES BECAUSE WE DID WORK SO HARD TO GET MORE WE ARE AND DID GIVE ME A COMMITMENT. IN MY HEAD, THIS IS LIKE EVERY OTHER PORTION OF GRAMERCY. IT WILL BE TREATED AS SUCH AND THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO BUILD WHAT THEY WILL BUILD. PULLED OUT AND PUT IN. WOULDN'T MIND TO MAKE ME MORE COMFORTABLE. 
          >> ERIC DIRKS WITH BUCKINGHAM COMPANIES. THIS WAS JUST ANOTHER STEP IN MEMORIALIZING ALL THE EFFORTS IN MY OPINION OF ALL THE LAND USED IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETINGS BUT WE WOULD BRING THIS IN ONCE IT WAS FULLY VETTED. APPROVED ACTION TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. WE WOULD COME IN HERE AND MEMORIALIZE THAT THIS IS THE PROGRAM WE WILL BE COMMITTING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU TO YOU AND BUCKINGHAM. I KNOW IT WAS NOT EASY. ALL OF THE COMMUNITY INPUT. OTHER LAND USE COMMITTEE CHANGES REQUESTS. I'M NOT SURE THERE WAS A REAL REQUEST TO ACCOMMODATE. THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNSELOR TAYLOR. >> JUST A TECHNICAL QUESTION. 
          WE GET TO DEFINE ALL INDIVIDUAL ASPECTS, RIGHT? AND ARE COMMITTED TO THE PROCESS. BESIDES THAT COMMITMENT THAT DOCUMENT BUCKINGHAM IN AS. BE SURE THAT PLANNING AND ZONING AND THESE COMMITMENTS WILL BE MADE THAT WE WORKED HARD FOR PARTICULARLY WITH THE HUNTERS GLEN NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          >> JUST TO SET THE TABLE HERE, ON PROJECTS, ANY PROJECT THAT HAPPENS IN THIS CITY, THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT IS THERE TO ENSURE THE COMMITMENT THAT IS BEING MADE BY THE DEVELOPER WHETHER FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR IN 
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FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL. SOME THINGS GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION, SOMETHINGS GO TO CITY COUNCIL. GENERALLY, PROJECTS HAPPEN IN C ZONING. THE REDEVELOPMENT IN C ZONING HAS INTERNATIONAL APPROVAL LEVEL THAT BECOMES A PART OF THAT RECORD. IN ADDITION, WE ENTER INTO 50 PAGE CONTRACTS WHERE WE HOLD THESE DEVELOPERS COMMITTED TO CONTRACTUALLY. IF THEY DON'T BUILD BUT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD, A LETTER FROM DOCS. THAT IS OUR ADDITIONAL LEVERAGE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT. COUNSELOR SNYDER, THERE IS NOT A THING WHERE PULLED IN AND PULLED OUT OUT OF C ZONING 
          WITHOUT ANYONE KNOWING. >> ON THE REPUBLIC DEAL, WHEN YOU CAME TO US AND SAID I DON'T WANT TO BUILD THIS. THEY DON'T WANT TO BUILD THIS ANYMORE. 
          >> AND I CAME RIGHT TO COUNCIL FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THAT. 
          >> RIGHT. I'M SAYING THAT IT CAN STILL HAPPEN EASILY . 
          >> JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS. GENERALLY, ZONING IS HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT DEVELOPERS FOLLOW A CERTAIN LEVEL OF QUALITY EXPECTATIONS THAT WE HAVE. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. IS NOT A FINANCIAL TRANSACTION. C ZONING, YOU ARE DOING PROJECTS WHERE IT DOING WORK THEY DO AND YOU HAVE CONTRACTUAL ALLEGATIONS TO DO THAT. C ZONING, WHILE THE MORE, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ABILITY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE DEVELOPER. THE FLEX ABILITY BECAUSE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS BUILDING INSIDE. IF THE PROJECT BEING TAKEN TO CITY COUNCIL BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE STARTS. I WOULD LIKE TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER A DIFFERENT QUESTION. WHY IS IT THAT SOMETIMES THE BOND COMES DUE BEFORE SOME OF THESE OTHER STEPS INCLUDING ON 3, ITSELF. 
          WE ARE STILL GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH. BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER NEEDS TO KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE PRODUCT OR NOT? HE DOES ALSO NOT APPROVE THE TIF, THE FINANCIAL PART OF A PROJECT. NOT GOING TO SPEND ON ATTORNEYS FOR THE NEXT FIVE THINGS. THAT IS WHY IT SOMETIMES GOES AT A QUARTER LIKE THIS. YOU KNOW THE COUNCIL IS APPROVING OF THE GENERAL QUESTION AND THE STAFF GETS TO WORK ON ALL THE DETAILS. THE KIND OF OVERSIGHT THAT WE HAVE OVER DEVELOPERS BECAUSE WE CONTROL THE TIF ON RITA VELTMAN'S ZONING IS GREATER THAN YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE OTHERWISE. THE VENDOR OF THE CITY, IT'S ATTENTIN TO THE CITY. OUR ZONING COACH SAYS YOU CANNOT BUILD ANYTHING IN C ZONING UNTIL APPROVES IT. THAT IS THE KIND OF LEVERAGE THAT WE HAVE. IT BENEFITS US TO HAVE 
          IT. >> FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. WHEN WILL THE CONSTRUCTION TAKE PLACE IN RELATION TO THIS PHASE OF THE PROJECT? AND THEN I HAD A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. 
          >> WE ARE ACTIVELY DESIGNING . THIS IS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT NOW BUT WE WILL HAVE A ROUNDABOUT AAA WAY AND CARMEL DRIVE. ALL OF THAT CONSTRUCTION WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE SAME TIME. HOPE TO START THAT IN SUMMER OF 2025. 
          >> THE NEXT QUESTION WAS RELATED TO THE REST THAT SITS AND WAS APPROVED BACK TIRE TO THE GREAT RECESSION. DOES THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL REZONE PROCESS AND WILL THAT REMAIN OR IS THAT YOUR INTENTION TO CHANGE THAT 
          TO C 2 ZONING? >> THAT HAS BEEN FILED AND WILL BE AT PLANNING COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER. 
          >> OKAY. >> IT DOES REMAIN A. WE ARE TRYING TO WORK OUT SOME LANGUAGE THAT RESPECTS THE PROCESS AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS FUNDING FOR THIS BUT ALSO, THE FACT THAT IT PLANNING COMMISSION. HISTORICALLY ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL. NONE OF THE STEPS WOULD BE SKIPPED AND WE ARE STILL TRYING TO REFINE WHAT 
          THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE. >> IT WILL BE AMENDED? 
          >> YES. BUT IT IS STILL A REZONE SO THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE 
          AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. 
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          >> THERE'S ANY VARIANCES THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH AS PART OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT? 
          >> THE TECHNICAL REVIEW, LIKE DEVELOPING PLAN IS HAS NOT BEEN STARTED YET. THIS IS A PHASE THAT DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. WHICH IS THE AMENDMENT. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE PHASES THAT COME FIRST. THIS WILL COME LATER. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY VARIANCES THAT GO ALONG. 
          >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, AT 8:52, , I AM ALREADY IN OUR HEAD. 7:52, WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. WITHOUT SEEING ANY MOVEMENT, I WILL AND THE 
          PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:53. >> WITH THAT, BACK TO YOU, MIKE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? 
          >> NOT REALLY. I CAME HERE TODAY THINKING OR HOPING THAT I COULD GET OUT OF HERE WITHOUT GOING TO COMMITTEE BUT SINCE THE PACKET DID NOT MAKE IT INTO YOUR THING, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THAT. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO NOT HAVE TO GO TO. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES? 
          >> MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? 
          PLEASE VOTE. >> YET. SHE IS GETTING IT. ALL RIGHT. WHILE YOU ARE FIGURING OUT, WE WILL TAKE A ROLL CALL. 
          >> DR. JOSIE? >> AYE. 
          >> AYE . >> AYE. 
          >> OPPOSED. >> THIS WILL GO TO LAND-USE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THERE WAS AN ERROR. THE CORRECTION 8-0 IN FAVOR OF SUSPENDING THE RULES. NOW DO I HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> NO DIFFERENT. >> SECOND. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE. WE GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. IT IS APPROVED 7-1. THANK YOU. 
          >> I KNOW. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ONTO THE NEXT ITEM FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE APPROPRIATE FUNDS FROM THE STORMWATER FUND. TO THE 2024 STORMWATER BUDGET. 
          NUMBER 250, SPONSORS GREEN, TAYLOR, AND SLATER. CAN I GET A 
          MOTION TO INTRODUCE? >> SECOND. ALL RIGHT. COUNSELOR SNYDER, PLEASE READ THE SYNOPSIS. 
          >> THIS ORDINANCE AUTHORIZES AND APPROVES AN ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF $732,169.68 FORM THE STORM WATER FUND INTO THE 2024 STORM WATER BUDGET TO BE USED FOR ORCHARD PARK 
          DRAINAGE PROJECT. >> FROM THE CURRENT CYCLE BE COMBINED WITH THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE TO FUND THIS MUCH-NEEDED 
          STORMWATER. >> I DO NOT SEE THAT YOU WERE 
          STILL THERE. >> YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER HIS JOB. GO AHEAD, JEREMY. THANK YOU. 
          >> THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD SYNOPSIS. THIS IS JUST UTILIZING. LAST YEAR, WE REALIZED, BECAUSE WE DEVELOPED THE ORCHARD PARK PROJECT AREA WE WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING IN LAST YEAR'S STORMWATER BUDGET TO PAY FOR THE PROJECT SO WE DID NOT SPEND IT SO THAT WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY KEEP THE MONEY IN THE BANK SO WE COULD COME BACK AND ASK YOU TODAY TO LET US UTILIZE THAT MONEY TO CONSTRUCT THE ORCHARD 
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          PARK. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR JEREMY? 
          >> ALL RIGHT. WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL GO STRAIGHT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. AT 7:56, I WILL OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM. WITHOUT SEEING ANY MOVEMENT, I WILL CLOSE THE 
          PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:57. >> MOVED TO SUSPEND THE RULES. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, WE GOT A MOTION. ANY DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. 
          ALL RIGHT. IT IS 7-0 APPROVED. IS THERE A MOTION? 
          >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? 
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          PLEASE VOTE. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES 7-0. 
          MOVING ON TO ITEM 14 ON THE AGENDA. NEW BUSINESS. 
          RESOLUTIONRESOLUTION CC-09-16-24-01; A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, APPROVING A TRANSFER OF FUNDS WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT BUDGET (FUND #1801); SPONSOR: COUNCILOR AASEN. 
          >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. >> A FAIR SECOND. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR AASEN, PLEASE READ THE SYNOPSIS. 
          TRANSFERS $167,200.00 WITHIN THE 2024 REDEVELOPMENT 
          DEPARTMENT BUDGET. >> DIRECTOR ? 
          >> HI, COUNCIL. I AM SORRY FOR BEING A PEER AGAIN. I KNOW WE ARE GENERALLY USED TO THESE MOVING MONEY AROUND WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET RESOLUTION AS THEY USUALLY COME IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER. WE HAD AN EMPLOYEE THAT WE HAD BUDGETED TO BE A CITY EMPLOYEE THIS ENTIRE YEAR THAT WAS A CONTRACTED EMPLOYEE FOR A LONG TIME OUT OF A 902 FUND AND NOT AN 1801 FUND. THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION OBVIOUSLY HAS ALL THE NUMBER OF CONTRACTED SERVICES THAT IT PAYS OUT OF BOTH 902 AND 1801. 
          BECAUSE WE EXPENDED A LOT OF THIS MONEY OUT OF 902 AND 1801, ESSENTIALLY, TRANSFERS THE MONEY THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PAID TO COVER THE COST OF THE CONTRACTED SERVICES. A FUND FROM WHICH WE TOOK THE MONEY TO PAY THIS PERSON FOR THE MAJORITY OF THIS YEAR. HE IS NOW A FULL CITY EMPLOYEE. THAT IS WHY I AM COMING HERE THIS MONTH AND NOT IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER BECAUSE THERE WAS QUITE A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED 
          TO SHIP BACK. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR HENRY? 
          >> I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING COUNCIL SNYDER WAS ABOUT TO 
          SAY. >> ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT BEING 
          SAID, IS THERE A MOTION? >> MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. 
          >> APPROVED 8-0. THANKS, HENRY. MOVING ON TO FIRST READING ORDINANCED-2729-24; AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, APPROVING CERTAIN CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY LEASE RENTAL BONDS TO FINANCE VARIOUS ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE CITY AND TO REFINANCE CERTAIN OUTSTANDING BONDS; SPONSOR: 
          COUNCILOR WORRELL. >> THERE IS AN ERROR. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD COUNSELORS LOCKE AND TAYLOR. SNYDER, AS SPONSORS. WITH THAT BEING SAID. 
          >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, PLEASE 
          READ THE SYNOPSIS. >> SURE. ORDINANCE APPROVES THE ISSUANCE OF CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY LEASE RENTAL BONDS IN THE MAXIMUM PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF $110,000,000 FOR THE PURPOSE OF FINANCING VARIOUS LOCAL AND ARTERIAL ROAD AND STREET SYSTEM AND OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE CITY AND REFINANCING CERTAIN OUTSTANDING BONDS, TOGETHER WITH THE RELATED FINANCING LEASES, WHICH LEASES ARE PAYABLE FROM A SPECIAL BENEFITS TAX TO BE LEVIED ON ALL OWNERS OF TAXABLE PROPERTY IN THE CITY. 
          >> WHOEVER WANTS TO KICK THINGS OFF, BRAD? 
          >> ALL RIGHT. YEAH. YOU HAVE BEEN HERE. INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
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          >> OKAY. BRAD BRING THEM. COUNCIL TO THE CITY ON THIS PROJECT . I GUESS LET'S MAYBE FIRST START WITH THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN GENERAL OBLIGATION BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS WOULD BE A LEASE WITH NO BOND. YOU ARE SAYING WHY WOULD HE DO THAT? IN THE CONSTITUTION IT RESTRICTS THE AMOUNT THAT ANY CORPORATION CAN TAKE ON. BY CONSTITUTION, IT'S 2% AND THERE IS A STATUTE. IT IS A THIRD OF YOUR ASSESSED VALUE. WHEN YOU DO THAT MATH, THAT LIMIT IS ABOUT $80 MILLION AND YOU HAVE TO SUBTRACT WHAT'S ALREADY. I THINK THE CAPACITY RIGHT NOW IS 50 MILLION OR SO FOR THE CITY. 
          WHEN THE SIZE OF THIS DEAL COMES FORWARD, OKAY. WE CANNOT DO IT. LET'S LOOK AT A. THE INDIANA COURTS OF ONE THIS SAID IF YOU DO THIS LEASE FINANCING, THAT'S NOT DIRECTED. THAT IS VIEWED AS A CURRENT EXPENSE BECAUSE YOU ARE PAYING RENT FOR AN ASSET. AS LONG AS IT'S AVAILABLE FOR USE AND OCCUPANCY AND THAT AMORTIZE THE BONDS. THE BOND MARKET BETWEEN A DIRECT GEO BOND VERSUS OBLIGATION, THERE IS A SMALL ONE NOT LOWER OR IS THAT. OKAY. THE BOND MARKET RECOGNIZES. 
          THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE BUYING AND THIS RISK OF NOT BEING ABLE TO. THERE IS WAYS AROUND THAT. ALL BEING TOLD IT'S THE SAME CREDITS, THE SAME SOURCE OF REPAYMENT. WE PICKED ONE OR THE OTHER BASED UPON THE SIZE OF ME THE AMOUNT WE BORROW AND THE DURATION. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT, TO KEEP THE TAX RATE THE SAME, WHAT YOU COULD YOU GENERATE ON A 20 YEAR DEAL. AND SO WHEN WE START WITH THAT ASSUMPTION, WE START SAY OKAY. AND THERE'S MORE STEPS INVOLVED. YOU'VE GOT TO OF COURSE HAVE THE REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND PERMISSION. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HEARING ON THE LEASE. THIS COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE IT AND THEN ONCE YOU GET TO ALL OF THAT, YOU EXECUTE THE LEASE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT IT PUBLISHED A NOTICE OF THE LEASE EXECUTION. THAT IS THE BACKGROUND. LEASES VERSUS GEO BONDS. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT 
          TIMETABLE. >> BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THE TIMETABLE, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE OR WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES. WHO ULTIMATELY CONTROLS? THE GEO BOND. WHO IS THE AUTHORITY VERSE IS THE LEASE RENTAL BOND? 
          >> THE AUTHORITY WOULD BE THE ISSUE OF BONDS IN THE LEAST COMING FROM THE COMMISSION. THAT IS WHAT PAYS. ARE YOU ASKING WHO DECIDES WHICH STRUCTURE WE USE? 
          >> YEAH. AND THEN FROM WHICH AUTHORITY, THE PROPER TERM, COUNSELOR TAYLOR COULD PROBABLY JUMP IN BUT WHO IS THE BACKSTOP 
          TO THE BOND? >> GO AHEAD, COUNSELOR TAYLOR. 
          >> WHAT I THINK THERE IS A DEEP MISUNDERSTANDING BETWEEN REDEVELOPING AUTHORITY AND THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. MANY TIMES IN LEASE FINANCING, THE BUILDING CORPORATION IS ESTABLISHED TO ENTER INTO THE LEASE RENTAL TRANSACTION. IN THIS CASE, OUR REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY COVERS THE SAME AREA OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, THE REDEVELOPING AUTHORITY AND EFFECT IS ACTING AS THE ENTITY THAT WE WOULD LEASE TWO. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION? TO ENSURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT A REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FINANCED OR REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION PROJECT. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. IT IS A LOT TO UNPACK HERE. IN TERMS OF LEASE OBLIGATIONS, YOU'RE RIGHT. ONE IS THROUGH THE DIFFERENT STATUTE TO A NONPROFIT BUILDING CORPORATION. YOU CREATE THAT BUT THAT STATUTE LIMITS STRUCTURES WITH TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS. VIEWED AS A LITTLE BIT MORE LIMITING. YOU HAVE A PETITION REQUESTING THE LEASE. THERE IS MORE STEPS INVOLVED. 
          YOU GOT TO GET APPRAISALS. IT IS THERE BUT YOU DON'T REALLY 
          NEED OR WANT TO. >> TYPICALLY, THAT IS USED FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL SINGLE PROJECT AND ONE INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURE. 
          >> IS USUALLY ISOLATED. IN CONTRAST FOR CITIES AND TOWNS AND COUNTIES, YOU CAN CREATE A SEPARATE INSTRUMENTALITY CALLED 
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THE REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. IT IS APPOINTED, THE THREE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE EXECUTIVE. IT ACTS AS THE FUNCTIONAL ABILITY. IT IS THE LESSER. OWNS THE ASSET IN REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. AS FOR THE OTHER THING TO ALL OF THIS IS THAT THE CIVIL CITY ITSELF, IT'S. YOU THEN HAVE THE REDEVELOPMENT WHICH IS SAME TAXING BASE, SAME TAXING DISTRICT. WHETHER YOU LAYER ON EIGHT TAX RATE FOR THE CIVIL CITY OR A TAX RATE CALLED A SPECIAL TAX WITH COMMISSION, IT IS FUNCTIONALLY THE SAME. 
          THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE ON THE TAX BILL THE SAME AS PART OF THE OVERALL TAX RATE. THAT LEADS TO ANOTHER CONFUSION. 
          SOME MISUNDERSTAND THAT A SPECIAL BENEFIT TAX IS IN FACT A PROPERTY TAX ISSUE BY THE REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY DISTRICT AREA. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED ABOUT SOME OF THE PREVIOUS BONDS THAT WERE ISSUED BY THE CITY THAT HAD A SPECIAL BENEFIT TAX ENHANCE CREDIT ENHANCEMENT WHICH, TO ME, MY TERMS MEANS THAT A TIF BOND WAS ISSUED THAT WAS BACKED BY THE CITY OF CARMEL IF THE DEVELOPER DID NOT REPAY THE BOND, THERE WAS A SPECIAL BENEFIT TAX THAT WOULD BE ACTED ON IT PROPERTY TAX RATE. THAT WOULD THEN REPAY THE BOND. WE DON'T DO THOSE BOND ANYMORE. WE DO DEVELOPER BACK BOND AND SPECIAL BENEFIT TAX. THIS EXAMPLE IS JUST A PROPERTY TAX LEVIED BY THE 
          CITY. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THERE IS NO TIF INVOLVED. EVERY YEAR TO PAY TO PAY 
          >> TIMETABLE. AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. 
          >> I JUST STARTED THIS DOWN. WE WOULD HAVE TO PUBLISH NOTICE. 
          WE WOULD NOT GET TO THAT 30 DAY PERIOD UNTIL THE 28TH. IN THEORY, WE COULD POST THE OFFERING DOCUMENT THAT NEXT DAY AND SELL BONDS. THAT'S REALLY CUTTING IT CLOSE BECAUSE FOR A DEAL DECIDES TO COME TO MARKET, YOU ALWAYS WANT AS MANY EYES AS POSSIBLE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN PROPOSALS TO BUY THE BONDS. YOU START TO GET IN THE COURSE OF OTHER DEALS. PEOPLE TUNING OUT, CLOSING OTHER BOOKS. THAT IS SORT OF LIKE THE OUTSIDE AS TO WHAT THE TIMETABLE HERE TO TAKE ACTION. THAT IS WHAT -- AND AGAIN, JUST FOR POINT OF REFERENCE, YOU HAVE TO ISSUE BONDS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR IN ORDER TO GET A LEVY IN PLACE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL JANUARY OTHERWISE YOU WILL GET APPROVED. WITH THAT, I WILL 
          TURN IT OVER. >> WHILE BRAD IS UP THERE, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TIMING OR LEASE RENTAL OR GEO BOND RIGHT 
          NOW I SEE >> GO AHEAD. 
          >> I AM ZACH JACKSON AND THIS REPRESENTS MY FIRST TIME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. YOU WILL GET TIRED OF ME NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I WILL BE UP HERE FOR EVERY PRESENTATION. DOING THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS. I WANTED TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THIS LEASE RENTAL BOND AND BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON THE GEO BOND THAT'S ALSO BEING DISCUSSED. WITH REGARDS TO THE LEASE RENTAL BOND, AND ADDITION TO BEING ABLE TO FINANCE AN ADDITIONAL, WHAT IS ALSO ESSENTIALLY, TO ME, IT IS 
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REFINANCING BUT TECHNICALLY, IT'S CALLED REFUNDING. THE 2014 BONDS, I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN $13 MILLION THERE AT AN INTEREST RATE OF ABOUT 4.71%. WHEN WE WILL THESE BONDS, IF YOU WILL, INTO THIS NEW BOND, THERE'S THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT OF THE LOWER INTEREST RATE THAT WE WILL SEE THERE . THE SAVINGS, ITSELF, IS NOT ALL THAT SIGNIFICANT. WERE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN $250,000 OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS AND THAT IS THE REMAINING PAYMENT. ON. THIS MORE SIGNIFICANT IS WE ARE ESSENTIALLY TAKING A DEBT THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING PAID FOR OUT OF THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND. MOVING THAT OVER TO THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY, IF YOU WILL. AND BY DOING SO, IT SAVES OUR GENERAL FUND MONEY. ALSO, IT IS PROBABLY A GOOD SIGNAL TO S&P NOW IN TERMS OF THAT BOND PAYMENT COMPETING AGAINST OTHER PRIORITIES. NOT THAT WE WOULD EVER NOT PAY IT BUT IT COMPETES VERSUS ALL THE OTHER GENERAL FUND PRIORITIES BY MOVING IT OVER TO THE PROPERTY TAX SIDE OF THINGS. IT IS NOW MORE OF A GUARANTEE PAYMENT THAT WILL BE MADE. 
          >> AGAIN,. THE OTHER PART THAT HE WANTED TO INTRODUCE IS THAT ROUGHLY ON THE SAME TIMEFRAME, TIMELINE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LACKING COMPARED TO THIS LEASE RENTAL BOND. 
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          >> JUST TO BE WE ARE NOT TRYING TO STRETCH OUT SOMETHING WE WERE TRYING TO PAY OFF IN A YEAR, LOOK FOR IT FOR ANOTHER 
          FIVE YEARS. IS BECAUSE DAILY. >> THERE'S A COUPLE TECHNICAL 
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QUESTIONS I WILL ASK THE COMMITTEE SINCE EVERYONE IS GIVING A HARD TIME. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, THOUGH BECAUSE MUNICIPAL FINANCE IS VERY COMPLICATED. PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY ASKING WHY DO YOU NEED THESE TWO STRATEGIES? THE 2014 FUNDING , TAKEN AT THE CAPITAL LEASES TO A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE. MANY AT HOME UNDERSTAND THAT MANY TIMES YOU'VE PAID FOR MORE FOR A LEASE ON YOUR VEHICLE THAN YOU ACTUALLY DO IF YOU GET AN AUTO LOAN. I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY EASY TO UNDERSTAND. COULD YOU TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO FREE UP THE GENERAL FUND? BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS ON GENERAL FUND GROWTH THE STATE PUTS ON. PARTICULARLY AT A POINT IN TIME WHERE THEY ARE SEEING LAB GROWTH OF GENERAL FU 
          IS NOT KEEPING UP. >> THE STATE AS THIS 
          >> MAXIMUM LEVY GROWTH PORTION FORMULA. 
          >> AS YOU AT OUR ASSESSED VALUE GROWING BY 10% FOR THIS YEAR, THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT BRINGS IN. HE WOULD SEE A GENERAL FUND. I DON'T SAY EXACTLY STAYS FIXED BUT YOU HAVE A RATE TIMES AND ASSESSED VALUE. SINCE THE ASSESSED VALUE WENT UP, THE PRODUCT, THE MULTIPLICATION PRODUCT AND THAT THE SAME. IF ONE OF THOSE VARIABLES GOES UP, THE OTHER HAS TO GO DOWN. WHAT YOU WOULD SEE OTHERWISE IS THAT, BASICALLY, THE AMOUNT OF THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY DECREASING FOR THE GENERAL FUND TO MAINTAIN THAT STATIC PRODUCT, IF YOU WILL. AND THAT GETS BACK AT THE 4% GAP THAT THE STATE IMPLEMENTS IN TERMS OF. 
          >> FOR INSTANCE, WE ARE LOOKING AT TRYING TO PAY OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE YOUR AGENCIES. COUNTY JUST INCREASED PAY. 
          THESE ITEMS THAT ARE PAID OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT WITH INFLATION TO KEEP UP WITH THOSE COST INCREASES IN THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS. 
          >> I CAN SAY PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO SAY EXACTLY NEGOTIATING WITH THE UNIONS AT THIS POINT BUT I WILL SAY WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN WE ARE ALL HAPPY WITH. WITHOUT TRYING TO GET TOO MUCH AWAY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE NEW RATE PUBLISHED BY THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OVER 82. FOR POLICE AND FIRE. FRANKLY, THOSE TYPES OF INCREASES, WE ARE TALKING AVERAGE OF DOUBLE-DIGIT INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD. AND OTHERWISE, THIS WOULD NOT BE AFFORDABLE WITHOUT SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO REFINANCE SOME OF OUR DEBT MOVING OUT OF THE GENERAL EQUATION IN OVER TO THE 
          DEBT LEVY PORTION. >> AND IN MY LAST QUESTION ARE COMMON IS THAT WE INTEND TO NOT INCREASE OUR TAX RATE. 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. THE PLANE WERE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW MAINTAINS THE OVERALL TAX RATE AT THE 7783 FOR 2025. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> YEAH, THERE IS STILL A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED. MY INTENT IS TO ASSIGN THIS TO BOTH COMMITTEES SO FINANCE COMMITTEE WILL FOCUS ON THE FINANCIAL PEACE IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON ABOUT LEASE RENTAL AND THE PROJECT LIST WILL GO TO LAND USE FOR COUNSELOR SNYDER TO DISCUSS THE LAND-USE MEETING AND HOPEFULLY, WE CAN MEET THE GOAL OF GETTING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL BY 
          OCTOBER 7. >> JUST A QUESTION ON HOW THAT WILL WORK. IF I HAVE A COMMENT ON THE LIST, DO I NEED TO GO TO LAND-USE TO MAKE THAT COMMENT OR -- ARE WE JUST FOCUSING ON 
          ONE ASPECT OR -- >> NOT THAT IT WOULD NOT COME 
          VISIT YOU GUYS. >> NO. AS COUNSELOR SNYDER 
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POINTED OUT, THE FOUR INDIVIDUALS TO MY RIGHT ARE ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND THE FOUR COUNSELORS WHO NORMALLY SIT TO MY LEFT ARE ON THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ON THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU CANNOT GO AND PARTICIPATE BUT ULTIMATELY, AND I KNOW THIS FOR CERTAIN. COUNSELOR SNYDER ALLOW ALL COUNSELORS TO PARTICIPATE. THEY DO VERY WELL AT ENGAGING ALL COUNSELORS. IN THE END, IT'S JUST THE FOUR COUNSELORS ON THE COMMITTEE THAT GET TO VOTE. YOU WILL HAVE INPUT. 
          >> WILL KEEP THE CONVERSATION AT OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          >> CORRECT. >> THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TALKS ABOUT FINANCE MATTERS IN THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE WILL BE 
          LOOKING AT THE PROJECT. >> CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MUCH A 
          PROJECT COSTS. >> NOT THE PROJECT LIST. 
          >> WILL BE DISCUSSING AT THE COMMITTEE. THE COST OF THE PROJECT, THAT IS ALL IN THE LAND-USE. YOU ARE LOOKING AT COUNSELOR TAYLOR'S EXPERTISE ON THE FINANCING WITH MANY 
          INDIVIDUALS SITTING THERE. >> I'M SORRY. COUNSELOR, THERE HAS BEEN A GENERAL PROJECT LIST GENERATED. THE INTENT OF LAND-USE IS TO THOSE PROJECTS. AND THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THAT COUNSELORS. THIS WAS A PROJECT GENERATED FROM THE EXECUTIVE OFFICE WITH RINGS THAT OF BEEN ON THE LIST AND IT SO DESIRES BUT ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY WANTS WITH THE DISTRICT, CAN EVEN BE SUBMITTED. EMAIL, QUESTION, ANYTHING. I WOULD ENCOURAGE CONSTITUENTS OF ALL OF THE DISTRICT COUNSELORS IF THERE IS A HUGE NEED FOR SOMETHING EASY TO REACH OUT AND WE WILL PUT ON THE LIST AS SOMETHING TO DISCUSS AND SEE HOW IT PRIORITIZES OUT WITH THE OTHER 
          PROJECTS PRESENTED. >> JUST SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, THERE WILL BE MORE PROJECTS ON THE LIST THEN THE BOND CAN COVER. WE DO THAT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. THERE CAN BE GRANTS AND OTHER FUNDING OUT THERE. BUT IF IT IS NOT IN THEIR, YOU CANNOT MOVE THINGS AROUND. THERE WILL BE MORE ON 
          THE LIST. >> THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE DISCUSSING ON WEDNESDAY. EXCUSE ME, THURSDAY AT 6 P.M. AT THE LIBRARY. WHAT YOUR MOST ACCURATE GUESSTIMATE IS FOR THE TOTAL AVAILABLE FUNDS AFTER HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS SO WE 
          KNOW. >> AND THAT IS SIGNIFICANT. 
          >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I WANTED TO BE HERE TODAY. THE GEO BOND IS SO NEW AND I'M SURE WE WILL BE BACK UP HERE SOON TO GET THAT ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD TO THAT AS WELL. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT TWO MONTHS. THAT WILL REDUCE THE AVAILABILITY FOR THE PROJECT BOND. 
          >> THANK YOU. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS. THINGS EVOLVING BOTH ON THE PROJECT AND ON THE FINANCE. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> AS I SAID, IT'S BEEN ASSIGNED TO BOTH LAND-USE AND FINANCE COMMITTEES. 
          >> MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE AND ORDINANCE OF INDIANA AMENDING CHAPTER EIGHT, ARTICLE FOUR. . 
          MOVE TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE READ THE SYNOPSIS. 
          >> ORDINANCE ADDING SPEED HUMPS TO HEATHERSTONE PLACE. 
          >> I TOLD YOU YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR A WHILE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HE GAVE SUCH A GREAT EXPLANATION ON THE PROCESS AND NEED FOR IT IN THE BLUE CARD. I KNOW THE ANSWER QUESTIONS LEGAL BUT I WILL PROBABLY MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT ON THAT. 
          >> ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SPEED BUMPS? ARE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES THIS EVENING. 
          >> SECOND. >> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL 
          [02:30:07]
RIGHT. APPROVED. DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. 
          APPROVED 8-0. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE I APPRECIATE SO MUCH WHEN CITIZENS GET INVOLVED AND REALLY GET ACTIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND REACH OUT AND CARE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THEIR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IT IS 
          REALLY IMPORTANT. >> ALL RIGHT, MOVING ONTO ITEM 
          [16. OTHER BUSINESS]
15, AGENDA AND ADD-ON ITEMS. THERE ARE NONE. LIVING ON ITEM 16, OTHER BUSINESS. THE DOOR THE DORA SIGNAGE APPROVAL . WHO DO WE HAVE HERE? ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT OR IS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE? OH, ALL RIGHT. AND THE PLAN IS TO SEND THIS TO 
          LAND-USE. >> PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF 
          FOR THE RECORD. >> I AM KELLY DOUGLAS. I AM THE MARKETING DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL. 
          >> FOR OPTIONS TO SHOW YOU, I KNOW WE HAVE STICKERS, THE OPTIONS OF CUPS, WE HAVE THE OPTIONS OF PUTTING THE STICKERS ON THE CUPS, WE ALSO HAVE A FEW SIGNAGE FOR THE BUILDINGS, BUSINESSES THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A STICKER NOTING WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE DORA AS WELL AS BUSINESSES ARE PARTICIPATING NOT IN THE DORA. AND THEN THE BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO ALLOW FOLKS TO BRING IN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES INTO THEIR ESTABLISHMENTS THAT THEY ARE 
          NOT PROVIDING ANY. >> THIS IS ONE OPTION. IT ALLOWS TO HAVE A SPOT TO WRITE THE DATE OF THE TIME FOR THAT SPECIFIC BEVERAGE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. WE HAVE ALSO ADDED SO THAT IS JUST AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CUP. THAT WAS AN AREA THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO DO THAT. THIS IS GOING OFF OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN IN LOOKING AT A FEW OTHER DORA ESTABLISHMENTS OR CITIES THAT IS ON THE SAME 
          THING. >> THIS IS THE SIGNAGE THAT WOULD BE ON THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES SO THIS IS A WELCOME ONE WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY GO AND PURCHASE YOUR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE. I'M SORRY, AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT. I MISSPOKE, SORRY. GREEN WOULD BE WHERE YOU CAN DRINK YOUR BEVERAGE DID NOT PARTICULAR ESTABLISHMENT. SOLD HERE IS WHERE YOU CAN PURCHASE AND ALSO UTILIZE. ALSO NOT PERMITTED AS WITH THE RED. HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BRING YOUR BEVERAGE 
          INTO THAT ESTABLISHMENT. >> WE HAVE ENOUGH COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF SIGNAGE. JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING, WE HEARD WE DO NOT WANT TO PUT UP ON THE SIGNAGE THIS WAY, IT WOULD RATHER BE ON THE SIDEWALK WHICH IS NOT A PROBLEM. WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT SOMETHING LIKE A SPLAT NOT THAT YOU PUT ON THE SIDEWALK. THAT IS ANOTHER WAY OF BEING ABLE TO SHOW PEOPLE. 
          AND THE WAY THAT WE WILL PROBABLY DO THAT IS IN A CIRCLE SO THAT WHEN YOU ARE WALKING, THE FRONT HALF OF IT WOULD SHOW ENTERING THE DORA AND THEN ON THE OPPOSING SIDE, IT WOULD BE FLIPPED AND IT WOULD SHOW EXITING THE DORA . WHICH, I CAN DEFINITELY SHOW YOU THAT AT SOME OTHER POINT IN TIME. BUT THESE WERE JUST DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF THAT SIGNAGE FOR SHOWING THINGS LIKE A CUP WHEN YOU'RE ENTERING THE DORA. AN EMPTY CUP WHEN YOU'RE EXITING THE DORA TO GET THE POINT ACROSS THAT YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANY ALCOHOL . 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THIS WILL BE GOING TO LAND-USE. ARE 
          THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I WOULD ENCOURAGE MAYBE WATCHING THE LAND-USE MEETINGS WILL BE DISCUSSED THIS BECAUSE 
          [02:35:05]
IN ORDINANCE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS APPEAR YOU LEARN ABOUT THE SIGNS. WERE NOT GOING TO DO AND THEN 11 TO READ EVERY SINGLE WORD. SOMEHOW ALL OF THIS GOT DELEGATED TO CITY . I THINK WE ARE SO FAR AHEAD OF THE GAME. NONE OF THIS COULD BE HAPPENING UNTIL OUR DOOR COMMITTEE IS CREATED. WE ARE WAY AHEAD OF WHERE THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE INTENDED US TO BE WHAT THE COUNCIL AGREED AND VOTED ON. THAT BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT. THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS, SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WOULD NOT BE BROUGHT UP. IT WILL COME TO COMMITTEE AND COMMITTEE, I WOULD REALLY LIKE COUNSELOR ORRELL TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS IF YOU ARE ABLE TO MAKE IT WERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS IN DISCUSSION, I BELIEVE SHOULD GO THROUGH COUNSELOR SINCE THE COMMITTEE WILL PRESUMABLY BE SHARED AND RAN BY HIM AND THAT IS OUR INTENT. IF WE CREATED THAT NOW, WOULD NOT HAVE ANY POWER. IS THERE ANYTHING KEEPING US FROM CREATING IT? WILL IT BE A POWERLESS COMMITTEE? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO 
          GET THIS DONE. >> YOU CAN CREATE COMMITTEE. IT IS KNOWN TO HAVE. BECAUSE DORA IS NOT GOING TO BE ESTABLISHED UNTIL YOU APPROVE THE SIGNAGE AND APPROVES THE WHOLE PACKAGE. 
          I'M SORRY, THE STICKERS IN PLACE WITH SIGNAGE ON THE 
          STREETS. >> BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND NAME EIGHT CHAIRMAN. NAME CHAIRMAN AND THEN THAT WAY, YOU COULD GET HIS COMMITTEE GOING SO WHEN THE TRIGGER GETS FLIPPED -- 
          >> JUST A CLARIFICATION, THOUGH. IF I AM MISTAKEN OF THIS, I APOLOGIZE BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS AND I THINK THAT'S HOW THE ORDINANCE READS IS THAT THE ORIGINAL DESIGN SHOULD BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL, SUBS WE CAN SUBSEQUENT DESIGNS AND ALL THE OTHER COMMITTEE FUNCTIONS WOULD BE PASSED APPROVAL WITH DORA . AND IF I AM MISUNDERSTANDING, I 
          APOLOGIZE. >> BUT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT -- YEAH. THE MARKETING DOES THE DESIGN BUT IT DOES HAVE TO 
          COME TO A CITY FOR APPROVAL. >> WHAT IS THE TIMELINE SO WE CAN CRANK OUT COMMITTEE AND GET THINGS GOING? 
          >> STATE APPROVAL. >> WE HAVE INDICATIONS THAT IT MIGHT TAKE UP TO TWO MONTHS. THAT IS THE LONGEST IT IS EVER TAKEN BUT WE EXPECT THAT THAT APPROVAL IS GOING TO BE SHORTER IN OUR CASE. TWO MONTHS FROM WHEN? 
          >> IT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED YET BECAUSE OF THE SIGNAGE SIGN 
          FINALIZED TO COMPLY. >> WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE 
          SIGNAGE BEFORE. >> WHEN I SPOKE WITH ATC'S COUNCIL , IT WAS SIGNAGE LOCATIONS NEEDED TO BE 
          APPROVED, NOT. >> I WILL LOOK INTO THIS. I THINK WE ALL EXPECTED THAT THIS HAD BEEN SUBMITTED SOME TIME 
          AGO. >> IT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED 
          YET. >> THE ORDINANCE SAYS THE SIGNAGE HAS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND THAT IS WHY IT IS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. WE HAVE NOT COMPLIED WITH THE ORDINANCE 
          YET. >> ALL RIGHT , COUNSELOR AASEN, I DO NOT KNOW IF IT WOULD BE POWERLESS IF WE FORMED THE COMMITTEE NOW. IT WOULD BE ADVISORY TO US AND VERY HELPFUL FOR ME TO HAVE THE ADVICE THE DOOR COMMITTEE IF I AM APPROVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS SO, I MEAN, I DO NOT KNOW HOW OTHERS FEEL BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD START GETTING THOSE PEOPLE IN PLACE AND GET THAT COMMITTEE FORM AT LEAST FROM AN ADVISORY STANDPOINT UNTIL IT HAS ADDITIONAL POWER. I WILL MAKE ONE COMMENT, THOUGH. I THINK THAT MY OPINION FROM A GRAPHIC SCIENCE STANDPOINT. WHEN YOU HAVE A NO SIGN IN FRONT OF AN EMPTY CUP, THEY DON'T KEEP YOUR CUP EMPTY. MAYBE WE'LL DO A NO SIGN. I DO NOT WANT PRETTY TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN INFORMATIVE IN THIS. I THINK INFORMATIVE IS THE NUMBER ONE GOAL. YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE. IF WE MAKE SO GRAPHICALLY APPEALING. TO THERE, I THINK NOT PERMITTED, MY I SHOULD GO TO THAT FIRST AND NOT OF THE BEER SIGN BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. THAT IS MY FEEDBACK. LIKE YES, WE WANT IT TO BE PRETTY BUT INFORMATIVE IS WAY MORE 
          [02:40:05]
          IMPORTANT. >> THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK FOR THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE. TO GET THE COMMITTEE STARTED, THE, WHAT ACTION DO WE NEED TO TAKE IF ANY? 
          >> ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE, WE NEED TO APPOINT NINE 
          MEMBERS. >> WE NEED TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS 
          AND THE MAYORS -- >> ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE. - 
          >> SO WITH THE COUNSELORS COULD GIVE ME NAMES OF INDIVIDUALS TO APPOINT, WILL WORK WITH THE MAYOR TO TRY TO GET THE 
          APPOINTMENT MOVING. >> I DO NOT MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. I THINK THAT WE CAN GIVE SUGGESTIONS BUT THE INTENT WAS -- WE NARROWED WHO COULD BE ON THIS COMMITTEE. WE MADE IT VERY. LIMITED BANDWIDTH OF PEOPLE. ALL AREAS WERE REPRESENTED. MADE THESE PROMISES TO THE PUBLIC AND I THINK THE INTENT WAS FOR THE PRESIDENT CHAIRMAN COMMISSION TO GO OUT AND FILL THOSE. SO YOU CAN GO PICK ANYBODY OFF THE STREET. IT'S A VERY FINE LINE. NOT THAT THE COUNSELOR SHOULDN'T HAVE THE JUSTICE BUT I GUESS MY QUESTIONS VERY SIMILAR TO YOURS. THERE'S THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          I DO NOT KNOW WHAT LEGAL WORDS WE NEED TO DO. WHAT ACTION NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO ALLOW COUNSELOR TO BE NAMED COMMITTEE CHAIR AND START BUILDING A COMMITTEE? 
          >> WE MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT? >> SIR. 
          >> I THINK THAT WE ARE AT TWO DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS OF THE COMMITTEE UNDER THE ORDINANCE. ONE IS ADVISORY FUNCTION. THAT YOU CAN CREATE RIGHT NOW. CERTAIN OTHER FUNCTIONS SUCH AS RELATING TO DOOR ACTUAL OPERATION WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO BECAUSE THERE IS NO DORA. AND THOSE FUNCTIONS WILL TAKEN ONCE THE DOOR IS ESTABLISHED. AS FAR AS ADVISORY FUNCTION, YOU HAVE A POWER TO CREATE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND TO ADVISE YOU ON DORA OUTSTANDING ITEMS WHICH IS DESIGNED, FOR 
          EXAMPLE. >> GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, SIR. 
          >> I WOULD MOVE TO CREATE THE DOOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WITH THE MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE FOLLOWING WHAT IS IN THE DORA ORDINANCE , I WOULD NOMINATE COUNSELOR JEFF TO BE THE PRESIDENT CHAIRMAN EXECUTIVE OF THAT COMMITTEE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. SO SERGEI, YOU GOT THAT DOWN? DO YOU NEED HIM 
          TO REPEAT IT? >> WE ARE ASKING, WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE COUNCIL APPOINTEES. THOSE NAMES HAVE TO COME BACK TO US FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL BUT WE ARE EMPOWERING THE CHAIR TO SEEK OUT APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE NAMES AND BRING THEM TO US. 
          AWESOME. >> IS THERE A SECOND? 
          >> SECOND. >> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. I CUT YOU OFF GUARD. 
          >> YEAH. I AM GETTING IT. YOU ARE GOOD. YOU ARE GOOD. IT IS APPROVED 9-0. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL JEFF, YOU ARE NOW THE CHAIR OF AN ADVISORY DORA COMMITTEE TO AT LEAST GET THE BALL MOVING BUT SOME OF THE APPOINTMENT ARE FROM THE MAYOR SO WORK WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO START RECRUITING. ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO 
          [17. ANNOUNCEMENTS]
LAND-USE. ANNOUNCEMENTS, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE COUNCIL? 
          >> COUNSELOR TAYLOR. >> I JUST WANTED TO SEPTEMBER 
          26. >> I THINK CAL IS TRYING TO 
          TURN ON FOR ME. >> ON SEPTEMBER 26, WE RECEIVED THE FINAL PRESENT AND RECEIVE THE FINAL INFORMATION FROM GARY SMITH FINANCIAL GROUP RELATED TO THE BOND STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED AND THEN ALSO, WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM BAIRD UNDERWRITER, ADMISSIBLE ADVISER THAT WILL BE GOING OVER GENERALLY ARE SOURCES AND USES RELATED TO A CITY BUDGET AND FINANCES ON THE 26 AFTER OUR BUDGET HEARING. JESSICA IS 
          [02:45:01]
GOING TO WORK ON NOTICING THAT MEETING AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR A LEGAL COUNCIL SUGGESTION ON IF THIS IS JUST THE CONTINUATION OF BUDGET WORKSHOP FOR IF IT IS CALLED ITS OWN WORKSHOP. WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR EXACT GUIDANCE ON WHAT WE NEED TO LEGALLY NAME THE MEETING BUT IT WILL BE PROPERLY NOTICED IN THE INFORMATION. ONCE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. ANY
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