Sep 17, 2024 Carmel Plan Commission

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>>> GOOD EVENING I WILL CALL TO ORDER THE SEPTEMBER 17TH 2020 FOR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ASK THAT WE RISE

FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> THANK YOU. MR. SECRETARY

[C. Roll Call]

WILL YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? >> THANK YOU. WE ARE SHORT ONE

[D. Declaration of Quorum]

[E. Approval of Minutes]

MEETING. >> MOVED TO APPROVE

>> THANK YOU BOTH FOR ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MOOD

[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report]

EXPENDITURES REPORT. >> MISS BUCKLER

>> MAY I HAVE A MOMENT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE? I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE JANE ARMSTRONG. JANE IS A SCOUT TROOP 171 AND SHE IS WORKING ON TWO BADGES. CITIZENSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY AND COMMUNICATIONS. BY ATTENDING THIS MEETING SHE THAT WORKS TOWARD HER ACHIEVING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR TWO BATCHES. SO PLEASE LET'S WELCOME JANE.

>> HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO YOUR 21 FOR EAGLE?

>> ONE AT A TIME. GOOD LUCK ON THAT JOURNEY. I UNDERSTAND FEWER THAN 6% OF ALL SCOUTS NATIONALLY REACHED A RANK OF EAGLE. GOOD LUCK ON YOUR JOURNEY.

>> COMMUNICATIONS BILLS -- NOTHING TO REPORT.

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]

>> ANY REPORTS FROM THE DEPARTMENT?

>> AN UPDATE FROM THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING. THE TOWN PUD RESULT WAS DISCUSSED AND IT WAS CONTINUED TO OCTOBER 1ST COMMITTEE MEETING. THE SPRING WELL SHOPS ALS WAS NOT DISCUSSED. IT WAS TABLED TO THE OCTOBER 1ST COMMITTEE MEETING.

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THANK YOU PICK >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR AGENDA. IT CONSISTS OF THREE SEPARATE PETITIONS. THREE SEPARATE DOCKETS. HE'S E- 202 FORD NASH 00122. COMMITMENT AMENDMENT DOCKET PC 202 FORD E- 00123 MERIDIAN TRAILS HEIGHT VARIANCE. HE'S E- 202 FORD DASH 00130 MERIDIAN TRAILS PARKING VARIANCE. THE APPLICANT SEEKS APPROVAL FOR COMMITMENT AMENDMENTS INTO VARIANCES TO ALLOW A NEW 55+ AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AT 201 WEST 106TH STREET WITH THE ZONING IS B-1 BUSINESS. THE PETITION HAS BEEN FILED BY JIM SHINAVER AND JON DOBOSIEWICZ ON BEHALF OF STEVE PITTMAN AND JUSTICE COMPANIES. BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING OUR RULES AND PROCEDURE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ALLOW THE PETITIONER 15 MINUTE PERIOD OF TIME TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. THAT IS FOLLOWED BY UP TO 20 MINUTES OF TIME ALLOCATED FOR COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC. FOLLOWED BY FIVE MINUTES OF RESPONSE TIME FROM THE PETITIONER. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE REPORT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. WITH THAT THE FLOOR IS YOURS FOR THE NEXT 15 MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ON THE LAND-USE PROFESSIONAL WITH THE LAW FIRM OF NELSON & FRANKENBERGER. WE REPRESENT THE PETITIONERS IN THE REQUEST AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE REAL ESTATE. IN A MOMENT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO WALT JUSTICE THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE JUSTICE COMPANIES TO REVIEW THE PROPOSAL. I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE INFORMATION SUBMITTAL WE MADE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD HAVE AVAILABLE. IT INCLUDES TABS 78 AND NINE THE PROPOSED COMMITMENT AMENDMENT WITH TWO VARIANCES THAT WERE MENTIONED AS WELL AS THE EXISTING -- AND ALL THAT INFORMATION. AS OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THE COMMITMENT AMENDMENT PORTION REQUEST INCLUDES A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS BUT ONE IS TO ALLOW A 55 AND OLDER REGULATED AGE RESTRICTED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY ON THE REAL ESTATE THAT USES PERMITTED. BY RIGHT UNDER THE B-1 UNDER NURSING RETIREMENT OR CONVALESCENT FACILITY. AND IN 2018 ZONING PROPOSAL THAT WAS A USE THAT

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BY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC. HOURS OF OPERATION WERE MENTIONED IN THE EXISTING COMMITMENTS. OF COURSE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USE WE ARE ELIMINATING THAT HOURS OF OPERATIONS AS IT WOULD RELATE TO THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USE. BUILDING DESIGN AND SITE DESIGN ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING SUBMITTED. THE BUILDING THAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS 90,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS BUILDING IS 260,000 SQUARE FEET. THE TWO VARIANCES RELATED TO ITEMS ONE IS BUILDING HEIGHT. WE WILL GO INTO A MINUTE WITH SOME MORE DETAILS ON THAT. THE BUILDING HEIGHT PERMITTED UNDER B1 IS 45 FEET.

WE ARE ASKING FOR 47 TO 63. 63 ONLY APPLIES BECAUSE THE SITE GENERALLY SLOPES FROM NORTH RATHER FROM SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST. NORTHEAST BEING AT THE INTERSECTION OF A ROUNDABOUT 106. IT IS GOING TO BE AN EXTRA LEVEL AT THAT BUT HIS STEPS DOWN FROM 45 FEET. RATHER 47 FEET IS WHAT IS VISIBLE FOR THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE WEST AND SOUTH --. IN ADDITION TO THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FROM 340 PARKING SPACES DOWN TO 232. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THERE IS NO SLIDING SCALE THAT TALKS ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF NURSING RETIREMENT AND CONVALESCENT FACILITIES BUT THIS IS A 55 AGE RESTRICTED OPEN COMMUNITY. THERE PARKING COUNTS PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE IN SERVING THE COMMUNITY GENERALLY TRACK AROUND ONE UNIT OR ONE VEHICLE PER UNIT. THEY ARE PROVIDING IS AN ASSURANCE APPROXIMATELY 1.5 PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING. THAT WOULD GET YOU TO THE 232 RATHER THAN 340. COUPLE OTHER FOLKS WITH US THIS EVENING MARK MEYER HE'S ALSO WITH JUSTICE AS WELL AS GEM ATTORNEY WITH OUR OFFICE. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO WALT AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL ADDRESS PUBLIC COMMENTS AS YOU RECEIVE THEM. WE WILL BOTH WILL BE AVAILABLE AS WELL AS OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PRIOR TO THE CONCLUSION OF THE

MEETING. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS WALT JUSTICE WITH THE JUSTICE COMPANIES. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON OUR COMPANY AS IT RELATES TO SOME THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN THE CITY OF CARMEL. OVER THE LAST 10 TO 12 YEARS. WE ARE A REAL ESTATE AFFILIATED COMPANY FOUNDED IN 1910. OUR ASSET PROFILE CONSISTS OF CONVENTIONAL MULTI FAMILY CLASSIC CONVENTIONAL MULTI FAMILY. IN A LARGE PORTION OF WHAT WE DO IS THE WHAT WE CALL 55 AND BETTER INDEPENDENT LIVING IMMUNITIES. AROUND INDIANAPOLIS AND ONE THAT WE ARE RECENTLY DEVELOPING IN NOBLESVILLE CALLED PROMENADE TRAILS. 55 AND BETTER IT WILL BE USED TO CALL INDEPENDENT LIVING IS PART OF OUR CONTINUUM OF CARE TYPE PROFILE OF COMMUNITIES. THE SLIDES I WILL SHOW YOU THIS EVENING ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE INFORMATION PACKET THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU TODAY. AGAIN BEFORE I DO THAT JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY ONE OF OUR MORE RECENT PROJECTS AND CARMEL IS THE CARMEL COMMUNITY. THE CONTINUUM OF CARE LICENSE CARE COMMUNITY ON THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF 136 AND MERIDIAN. THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS THERE IS SOME SIMILARITY BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE MERIDIAN TRAILS PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING. IN TERMS OF SIZE DYNAMICS WITH HAVING TO DO WITH SURROUNDING TREE PRESERVATION THE COMMITMENTS WE MADE ON THAT PROJECT BACK THEN. I THINK APPLY HERE SOMEWHAT THIS EVENING IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT WE WORK WITH THE CITY OF CARMEL AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS ON AT THAT TIME. THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL THE MERIDIAN TRAILS COMMUNITY IS HAS BEEN DONE WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN CONCERT WITH THE PITTMAN FAMILY. YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH STEVE PITTMAN. THIS LOCATION WAS THEIR HOMESTEAD ORIGINAL HOMESTEAD PRIOR TO THIS. AND AGAIN WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH STEVE AND HIS FAMILY FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS. AND WORKING ON SOMETHING HERE THAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE VERY CONDUCIVE OR COMPLEMENTARY TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. THIS AGAIN IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF 106 AND ILLINOIS STREET. IT IS APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES. AND AGAIN AS JOHN MENTIONED IT

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PROVIDING WELLNESS PROGRAMMING STAFFING AND SERVICES TO SUPPORT HEALTHY AGING. FACILITATE KEY HEALTH AND CARE SERVICE PARTNERSHIPS TO ALLOW RESIDENTS TO AGE IN PLACE. AND CREATE MEANINGFUL MULTI-COMMON AREAS TO FACILITATE COMMUNITY BUILDING HEALTH AND WELLNESS MEANINGFUL ENGAGEMENT SHARED RECREATION AND RELAXATION. YOU WILL HEAR THAT A LOT. HEALTH AND WELLNESS HEALTHY AGE LIVING THINGS LIKE THAT. AGAIN THERE IS A LOT OF WELLNESS PROGRAMMING THAT GOES BEHIND THE DESIGN OF THIS COMMUNITY LIKE THIS ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT. AND A LOT OF SOCIAL PROGRAMMING ACTIVITIES AND STAFFING THAT GOES BEHIND OPERATING A COMMUNITY SUCH AS THIS. WE HAVE A FULL STAFF FROM WELLNESS MARKETING AND SO FORTH AND ACTIVITIES THAT IS INTEGRATED INTO OUR COMMUNITIES DAY IN AND DAY OUT. AGAIN SPACES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT ADAPT TO THAT HEALTHY AGING OR AGING IN PLACE. WE LIKE THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS IN THAT RESPECT. IT IS SURROUNDED BY A LOT OF MEDICAL TYPE USE. WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DESIGN SOMETHING THAT IS VERY COMPATIBLE TO THAT AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE CURRENT BUILDING DESIGN OR ELEVATIONS TO DATE. THIS IS APPROACHING OUR COMMUNITY ARE BUILDING FROM THE SOUTH. THIS WILL BE FACING DUE SOUTH INTO THE RESERVIST SPRING MILL COMMUNITY. AGAIN SHOWN IS FOR STORIES. AGAIN WE'VE TAKEN OTHER ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS FROM THE PRIOR COMMITMENT AND CONSIDERATION. WITH THIS DESIGN WE WENT THROUGH DIFFERENT VARIATIONS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING AGAIN THAT WE THINK WILL BE VERY PRESENTABLE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. ON THE SITE NOTE WE HISTORICALLY ALL ALL MASONRY TYPE BUILDING. THAT IS 100% STONE AND BRICK. FROM HEAD TO TOE. WE TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING HERE THAT WAS A LITTLE SOFTER. THAT AGAIN WE THINK WOULD BE VERY ADAPTIVE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. THIS IS LOOKING AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. AS YOU ARE ENTERING FROM THE MAIN ENTRANCE. ALONG ILLINOIS STREET ON THE SITE NOTE IF I MIGHT THAT MAIN ENTRANCE WILL ALIGN WITH THE HEART HOSPITAL ADJACENTLY TO THE EAST. AS YOU COME INTO THE COMMUNITY THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT. WE ARE BIG ON NATURAL LIGHT. YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF THAT THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING ESPECIALLY ON THE CORNERS OF THE BUILDING. AS YOU ENTER THE MAIN ENTRANCE THEY ARE FURTHER TO THE WEST OF THIS ELEVATION OFF TO YOUR RIGHT.

THIS IS MORE FROM THE NORTH LOOKING SOUTH PERSPECTIVE.

WHICH GIVES YOU MORE OF AN OVERALL BUILDING PROTOTYPE AS IT FITS ON THE SITE. AGAIN IT IS IMPORTANT TO MENTION THROUGH OUR PRELIMINARY OUR ENGINEERING STUDIES WE PUT TOGETHER A SITE TEST FIT FOR THIS PARTICULAR MODEL. TO SHOW HOW THE LAYOUT CONTIGUOUS TO ILLINOIS STREET TO YOUR LEFT WHICH IN THIS INSTANCE WOULD BE EASED. IF I MAY GO BACK TO THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE NORTH TO SOUTH. WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS OFF TO THE FRONT OF THIS SLIDE IS 106 STREET. THE SMALL DRIVE THAT YOU SEE THERE IS ENTERING FROM THE NORTH TO SOUTH. WHICH WOULD GO INTO A SUBSURFACE UNDERGROUND PARKING AREA. THAT WOULD FACILITATE A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS ANOTHER USE THAT I WILL DESCRIBE IN JUST A SECOND. OF COURSE WE HAVE ON-SITE PARKING. WE ALSO

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AGAINST THE PERSPECTIVE USES IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES IS TO ONLY FACILITATE THE SPACE WITH COMPATIBLE LIKE USES FOR OUR RESIDENT DEMOGRAPHICS. AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. AS I WILL SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE WE HAVE OUR DESIRE USES THAT WILL ALLOW INTO OUR SPACE. THAT WILL HELP AGAIN OUR RESIDENTS AGE IN PLACE OR FACILITATE THEIR NEEDS. IN ADDITION SERVICES SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. FOR EXAMPLE SOME OF OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES SOUTH CAMPUS IF YOU WILL WE HAVE AN IN-HOUSE BEAUTY SALON. WE HAVE A PHYSICAL THERAPY AREA THAT WOULD LEASE TO AN OUTSIDE ENTITY THAT SERVICES OUR RESIDENT BASE AND THE OUTSIDE AS WELL AS WELL AS OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY. THIS WILL BE THE SAME. AND THEN THE USE OF THE PERSPECTIVE USES AGAIN I WON'T GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A MED SPA OUTPATIENT THERAPY SERVICES AND DOWN THE LINE IT COULD BE A DENTAL CLINIC ET CETERA. WE BELIEVE WE ARE OPTIMISTIC WE WILL BE ABLE TO LEASE THE SPACE TO OUR IDEAL USER. WHEN THE TIME COMES. AND AGAIN THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET. SO, JUST AGAIN A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE LOCATIONS AT 106 AND ILLINOIS. 5.75 ACRES.

THE PROPOSED PLAN IS AGE RESTRICTED RESIDENTIAL.

APPROXIMATELY 169 APARTMENT HOMES. AGAIN MEANINGFUL COMMON AREA MEANING A LARGE PORTION OF OUR BUILDINGS INCLUDING FOR EXAMPLE -- [INAUDIBLE] IS AROUND 38% COMMON AREA. THAT IS TO FACILITATE A NUMBER OF COMPONENTS HAVING TO DO WITH HABITABILITY OF THAT RESIDENCE BASE BUT IT COULD BE A LARGE SOCIAL AREA. WE HAVE A BANQUET ROOM THAT CAN FACILITATE 200 PEOPLE. OR PARTIES HOLIDAY FUNCTIONS AND THE LIKE. WE WILL HAVE A CLINIC THERE WHERE A HOME HEALTH OR HOSPICE AGENCY CAN FACILITATE THE RESIDENTS NEEDS AND COME IN AND DO THEIR BUSINESS IF YOU WILL. AND SO FORTH. THAT GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN ON THE RESIDENT OR THE UNIT COUNT TODAY. FIRST AND FOREMOST IT IS IMPORTANT TO MENTION THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL IS A LOW IMPACT USE. WE WERE ASKED TO PUT TOGETHER A MEMO TRAFFIC STUDY BY A LICENSED ENGINEER. WE'VE DONE THAT. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. OUR EXPERIENCES GOING BACK TO THE PARKING AS AN EXAMPLE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ONE VEHICLE PER APARTMENT HOME THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED. IT IS NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMINGS AND GOINGS IN THE A.M. AND P.M. HOURS. THESE FOLKS ARE TYPICALLY RETIRED. MY TIME IS UP. OKAY. OTHER THAN THAT WE -- OKAY GREAT. WE HAVE A VERY STRONG INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ABIDING TO THE PRIOR COMMITMENTS ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO TREE PRESERVATION. THE LANDSCAPE COMMITMENTS THAT WERE MADE. AGAIN BUFFERING ET CETERA. I THINK AGAIN WE WILL MEET AND EXCEED THOSE ITEMS WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS A WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY. OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN ALWAYS THAT THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT FOR THE AREA AND SURROUNDING AREA. AND NOT A DETRIMENT. AGAIN LOW IMPACT. OUR RESIDENTS AGAIN ARE VERY QUIET AND SHUT DOWN AFTER DARK. THAT IS THE WAY IT GOES. WE OWN AND MANAGE OUR COMMUNITIES AND THIS WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT.

SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WE WILL MUCH LIKE WE HAVE DONE ON OUR OTHER FIVE PROJECTS IN CARMEL WE WILL DELIVER AND

OPERATE IT DAY-TO-DAY. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH JOHN. WE

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>> GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS RON I'M PRESIDENT SPRING MILL PLACE A WHICH IS -- AND NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BY MR. JUSTICE THIS EVENING. I WILL HIT SOME POINTS ANYWAY. THE PARKING SECTION OF THIS PROPOSED USE USES THE JUSTIFICATION OF PARKING RATIOS WITH AN INDEPENDENT LIVING IN A CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT A CONTINUING CARE COMMUNITY IS IT IS ONE THAT OFFERS INDEPENDENT LIVING UP TO AND INCLUDING SKILLED NURSING.

ALLOWING PEOPLE TO AGE IN PLACE WITHOUT MOVING. WHICH DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A COMPONENT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING RELATED TO SKILLED NURSING CARE. ADDITIONALLY THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS USED FOR COMPARISON HERE WHICH ARE CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES -- OFFER IN THEIR INDEPENDENT LIVING AREA EITHER A COMMUNITY BUILDING OR COMMUNITY AREA WHICH I THOUGHT I HEARD REFERENCE TO IN THE ORAL PRESENTATION. LIFE ENRICHMENT CENTER FOR PROJECTS AND TRIPS. IF THESE ARE TO BE OFFERED HERE I DON'T SEE MENTION OF THE SPACES ACTUALLY BEING PROVIDED FOR THEM. WITHIN THE FLOOR PLANS. THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ON-SITE STAFF FOR THE RESIDENCE. AS IS PROVIDED TYPICALLY IN THE SENIOR COMMITMENTS. JUST AN AGE RESTRICTED APARTMENT BUILDING WITHOUT ANY OF THE USUAL SERVICES AND AMENITIES PROVIDED. THAT COULD BE BASED ON THE COMMENTS MADE. I COULD BE WRONG BUT I WOULD ASK HIM ANY ACTIVE 55-YEAR-OLD MARRIED COUPLES DO YOU KNOW WHO ONLY HAVE ONE CAR? I WOULD ASSUME IF THEY ARE ACTIVE WHICH IS WHAT THEY WERE DESCRIBED AS IN THE DESCRIPTION, THEY MAY STILL BE EMPLOYED IN DRIVING TO AND FROM WORK. SPOUSES OR OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS MAY HAVE THEIR OWN NEEDS OR DESIRES FOR DAILY TRAVEL. THIS WOULD NECESSITATE SECOND CARS. THIS PROPOSAL IS PLANNING 34 PENTHOUSE SUITES WHICH I ASSUME ARE PREMIUM PRICES. DO YOU IMAGINE THESE PEOPLE WERE REALISTICALLY ONLY HAVE ONE CAR AT THE YOUNG AGE OF 55? THIS PROPOSAL ALSO PLANS FOR 87 LUXURY TWO-BEDROOM SUITES. AGAIN IF PEOPLE DESIRE TO BEDROOMS WERE PRESUMABLY BEFORE A FAMILY WITH TWO OR MORE DRIVERS AND WOULD NEED A SECOND CAR. ALLOWING FOR THESE TWO TYPES OF UNITS HAVING TWO CARS REQUIRES 242 PARKING SPACES. JUST FOR THOSE TWO TYPES. THE ADDITIONAL 48 ONE-BEDROOM UNITS MAY ONLY HAVE ONE CAR COLLECTIVELY THIS WOULD REQUIRE 290 PARKING SPACES. THE 5962 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE MENTION COULD OFFER MEDICAL OR HEALTH-RELATED SERVICES AS STATED. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THE PROVIDER WOULD OCCUPY THE SPACE. ADDITIONAL USE AMENDED INTO COMMITMENT NUMBER TWO OF 2018 EXPANDS FOR THE MEDICAL USES BUT DOES NOT ELIMINATE THE ORIGINAL USES OF CAFETERIA SANDWICH SHOP AND RESTAURANT. WHICH IS STILL ALLOWED. AND I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING REGARDING THE B1 USES WHICH STILL WOULD BE ALLOWED. AS LIKE GENERAL OR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. THIS COMMERCIAL SPACE WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL 20 FOR SPACES BRINGING THE TOTAL PARKING SPACES NEEDED TO 314.

USING THOSE NUMBERS. IN SUMMARY THE PROPOSAL SEEMS TO BE MORE LIKE AN AGE RESTRICTED APARTMENT BUILDING BEEN A SENIOR COMMUNITY. THE RATIONALE FOR REDUCED PARKING WOULD NOT BE FAVORABLY CONSIDERED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS -- [INAUDIBLE] I LIVE LESS THAN TWO MILES NORTH OF THIS PROPOSAL. AND ATTENDED THE MEETINGS DURING THE 2018 PROPOSAL TO REZONE DISPERSAL FROM S TO TO BE ONE FOR A THREE-STORY OFFICE BUILDING

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EVEN ITS TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP -- THAT SHOWS HOW YOU WOULD GET IN AND OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. ONE OF THE ISSUES IS IT MAY NOT BE SO EASY FOR SOMEBODY 55 AND OLDER. YOU SAY 55 BUT THEY COULD BE 65. WERE 85. CLIMBING UP AND DOWN THIS HILL IF THEY CANNOT FIND A PARKING PLACE. IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO PARK ALONG 106 OR ILLINOIS. SO MY QUESTIONS I HAVE IS WHAT DO THEY MEAN BY AGING IN PLACE? WILL THERE BE ELEVATORS IN THIS I GUESS IN THE FOUR STORY BUILDING? ARE THEY INCORPORATING DESIGN FOR HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY.? WILL THE HORSE BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A WHEELCHAIR? WILL THERE BE A VAN TO TRANSPORT RESIDENTS TO GROCERY STORES? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ANTICIPATED RENTS AND SIZES FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF APARTMENTS? THE INFO PACKET SAID DESIGNED TO BE FINANCIALLY ASSESSABLE FOR THE AVERAGE CARMEL SENIOR WITHOUT FINANCIAL STRAIN OF SIGNIFICANT INJURY OR BUY-IN CALLS. THE DESCRIPTIVE WORDS ARE SOPHISTICATED DISAPPOINTED UPSCALE LUXURIOUS. SO WHAT DOES THE AVERAGE CARMEL SENIOR PAY FOR HOUSING WAS NOT IS THAT REALLY THE SAME? ARE THE RESIDENTS PAYING FOR THE WELLNESS DIRECTOR OR LIFE ENRICHMENT DIRECTORATE WHICH WAS STATED IN THE PACKET? I ALSO THINK THE PARKING APPEARS TO BE SEVERELY INADEQUATE FOR RESIDENTS 55 AND OLDER. PARTLY BECAUSE THERE IS NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN CARMEL. YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN OPTION.

IF YOU LOOKED AT THE TREE HUNDRED 40 PARKING SPACES BASED ON ONE SPACE PER BED AND ONE SPACE FOR EMPLOYEE. THEN THIS WAS REDUCED 232 WHICH WAS A 32% INCREASE RESULTING IN 108 FEWER PARKING SPACES. I WOULD SAY MOST ADULTS AT 55 IS STILL ACTIVE AND WORKING. AND NEED TO HAVE A CAR. NEIGHBOR EXPLAINED TO ME WHEN I WAS TELLING THEM ABOUT THIS WHAT WORLD DO THEY LIVE AND THEY THINK MOST 55+ RESIDENTS WON'T WANT TO NEED OR HAVE A CAR? I COULD NOT SAVE MY HUSBAND AND I ARE 75+ AND WE WILL STILL DRIVE AND WE WILL HAVE CARS BUT WE BOTH NEED THEM. THE CURRENT PARKING RATIO IS ONE POINT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS. ALSO THE PUBLIC WOULD NEED A PLACE TO PARK. MAYBE IF THEY COME AND PARK THEY ARE TAKING PLACES FOR THE RESIDENCE. IN TERMS OF THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPACE, IS IT RESTRICTED TO ONLY THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES? IS THERE A GYM? A GYM MEMBERSHIP? WHAT IF THEY DON'T SURVIVE THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS BUSINESSES? OTHER IN THESE USE IS PROHIBITED. ARE THEY ON THE FIRST FLOOR ONLY? I CANNOT REALLY TELL FROM WHAT WAS JUST SHOWN. RECREATION -WISE WHAT IS A USABLE GREEN SPACE IN THIS PROPOSAL? WHAT IS THE DIMENSION OF THE COURTYARD IN THE MIDDLE? I THINK I READ THERE WAS A SWIMMING POOL. BUT THOSE WE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC SO THE PUBLIC IS ALSO USING THE SPACES? HOW WOULD THE NEIGHBORS BE PROTECTED FROM POLLUTION FROM ALL THESE APARTMENTS AND PARKING LOT AREAS? IN SUMMARY I THINK THAT THE DEVELOPERS REQUEST MAY SEEM LIKE MINOR TWEAKS TO THE 2018 PROPOSAL.

THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE

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PARKING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC IN OPPOSITION OR

SUPPORT OF THE PETITION? >> JOHN AND WALT YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND. I'M SURE THAT THE COMMISSION WILL TAKE UP SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE HEARD FROM THE

PUBLIC AS WELL. >> JUST A FEW OF THE PROCEDURE ITEMS. TODAY WE ARE HERE FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE COMMITMENT AMENDMENTS TO THE VARIANCES. IF THE APPLICANT SUCCESSFUL TO THAT PROCESS AND IT IS APPROVED WE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT A FUTURE DATE WITH ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH I WILL ANSWER MANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED THAT WE DON'T GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AT THIS STAGE. SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO PARKING WE REPRESENT A LOT OF DIFFERENT CLIENTS AND WE KNOW THE STANDARDS IN THE DIFFERENT -- I'M SURE HIS STAFF CAN SHARE THIS WITH ME IN THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS.

PROBABLY AVERAGES AROUND 1.6. PARKING SPACES OR 1.7 AT MOST PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT. THIS IS THE AGE RESTRICTED WHERE WE ARE ASKING FOR APPROXIMATELY 1.5 PARKING SPACES OVER ALL TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. IN TERMS OF REASONABLENESS I WOULD LOOK TOWARDS THE JUSTICE COMPANY THIS IS THEIR BUSINESS. THIS IS THE MARKET THEY SERVE AND THEY HAVE A PROFESSIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF PARKING DEMANDS ON THE SITE. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THE ORDINANCE THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS TO SAY IT'S A SITUATION WHERE I'M NOT SUGGESTING THE CITY -- IT SEEMS LIKE TIME AND TIME AGAIN WE ARE RELYING UPON THE PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE OF THOSE PROVIDING THE APARTMENTS BUT THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN MAKING THOSE NUMBERS WORK SO THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE THEIR PATRONS AND TENANTS. WE CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAIL TO YOU AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING.MAYBE GET FROM STAFF A RUNDOWN OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN THAT SPACE SO WE ARE CLEAR ON IT. A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS AND I WILL HAVE WALT COME UP AND ADDRESS SOME OF THEM SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO THE SERVICES OFFERED ON SITE. IDENTIFIED -- THERE ARE SUBMITTAL UNDER TAB ONE IDENTIFIES THERE WOULD BE ON-SITE STAFF AT THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. THAT INFORMATION IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE SUBMITTAL AND WHAT CAN GO INTO DETAIL ON THAT. WITH THAT ITEMS LIKE ELEVATIONS AND UNIVERSAL DESIGN AND ACTIVITIES AND WHAT DOES THAT COURTYARD SPACE LOOK LIKE WE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT A FUTURE DATE

SHARING THAT WITH YOU. >> AGAIN WE HAVE TWO OTHER OVER 55 CAMPUSES. ONE OF THE SOUTH SIDE AND ONE IN -- THE NEWER COMMUNITY IS 300 UNITS. THE SOUTHSIDE CAMPUS IS 670. WE MONITOR PARKING VERY CLOSELY. AVERAGE AGE IS 70 FOR YEARS OF AGE. OUR NEW PROMENADE -- COMMUNITY PROMENADE TRAILS OF NOBLESVILLE IS 210 UNITS PER AGAIN WE HAD TO TAKE PARKING'S STRONG CONSIDERATION. THE DEPOSIT HOLDERS AND RESIDENTS WE HAVE LIVING IN THERE NOW PREDOMINANTLY HAVE ONE CAR PER HOUSEHOLD. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. THIS COMMUNITY MERIDIAN TRAIL SHOULD HAVE AROUND SIX STAFF MEMBERS. THAT INCLUDES OUR WELLNESS STAFF AS WELL AS OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THERE.

MARKETING DIRECTOR. WELLNESS DIRECT AND MAINTENANCE. AS FAR AS PARKING IS CONCERNED WE ARE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. THE SOCIAL SPACES THAT WE WERE MENTIONED AGAIN THE LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THIS BUILDING WILL FACILITATE SOCIAL PROGRAMMING. WE HAVE TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. BRINGING IT DOWN UNDER PER SPACE WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT IN THE NEXT MEETING. AS FAR AS THE DESIGN CRITERIA AGAIN UNIVERSAL DESIGN IS A VERY GOOD POINT. THERE WILL BE UNIVERSAL DESIGN IN THIS FACILITY OR COMMUNITY. THAT AGAIN TIES TO [INAUDIBLE] HOUSING FOR SENIORS AND RESTRICTIVE USERS. AGAIN WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT TO ELIMINATE ANY POTENTIAL HAZARDS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. WHETHER IT BE IN THE COMMON AREAS OR

ELSEWHERE. THANK YOU. >> TWO OTHER ITEMS WITH REGARD

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WHEN WE ORIGINALLY MET WITH STAFF AS THE PROJECT UNFOLDED IN 2018 WHEN THERE WAS COMMITMENTS IDENTIFIED AS A PROCESS BY WHICH IF THE APPLICANT FUTURE APPLICANT ONE TO SEEK AN AMENDMENT THAT IT IDENTIFIED IN THOSE COMMITMENTS FOR 2018. THAT THAT APPLICANT WOULD APPEAR IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION OF THAT AMENDMENT. REGARDING THE COMIC COMMUNITY PROCESS THOSE TWO VARIANCES WITH REGARD TO BUILDING HEIGHT AND A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. WHEN WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH STAFF AND WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK IN THE FUTURE WITH -- WE REACHED THE CONCLUSION THAT STAFF WOULD DETERMINE AS IT DOES FOR ALL CASES WHETHER THERE IS A COMMON COMMUNITY PROCESS WHICH INCLUDES OUTREACH TO COUNCILMEMBERS TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS ANY CONCERN REGARDING THE COMIC COMMUNITY PROCESS BUT THEY CAME BACK TO US AND SAID NO CONCERNS HAS BEEN RAISED. WE ARE AUTHORIZED TO PURSUE THE CARMEL COMMUNITY PROCESS TO MAKE THINGS EFFICIENT TO REVIEW THE VARIANCES PICK AS WELL AS THE COMMITMENT AMENDMENT. ALL THAT SAID WE ARE IN THIS PLACE.

UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF YOUR OWN YOU DL. WE DID NOT ELECT NECESSARILY TO BE IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OTHER THAN COUNSEL. AS IT DID AND 18 AND AS IT DOES TODAY BY METHOD OF WHICH WE SPEAK THIS MODIFICATION.

>> BEFORE WE GO TO THE DEPARTMENT REPORT IF YOU WOULD, JUST WALK US THROUGH GOING BACK TO 2018 THROUGH TODAY. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF COMMITMENTS MADE IN 2018 AND ASSOCIAION WITH THE GRANTING OF THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES IN 2018. YOU ARE TODAY ASKING FOR SOME AMENDMENTS TO THOSE COMMITMENTS FROM 2018. AND THERE ARE ALL OF THE NON-AMENDED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT STILL APPLY TO THIS SITE. THAT WOULD BE

ADDRESSED -- >> AND THE COMMITMENTS FROM 2018 THAT SURVIVED TONIGHT. AND THE AMENDED COMMITMENTS THAT YOU ARE SEEKING TONIGHT. AND ALL OF THAT WOULD BE BUNDLED UP AND COMPLIED WITH OR ADDITIONAL VARIANCES SOUGHT WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN LANDSCAPE AND LIGHTING AND

SIGNAGE. >> WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL VARIANCES. THAT IS WHY WE WENT THROUGH THE STEPS NECESSARY TO DETERMINE WHAT THOSE WOULD BE. THERE WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT ON THE PART OF THE APPLICANT TO PREPARE THE DRAWINGS AND PLANS NECESSARY FOR REVIEW. THEY WANTED THAT ASSURANCE THAT IF THEY PERFORMED REGARDING THE PROVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE THEY WOULD ADVANCE WITH CONSTRUCTION. TO BE SPECIFIC THERE ARE ESSENTIALLY NINE DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS IN THE ORIGINAL COMMITMENTS. THERE WERE 18 COMMITMENTS. IN THE ORIGINAL SO ITEMS LIKE LANDSCAPING, A WALL EIGHT FOOT WALL TO BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG THE SOUTH AND WEST PERIMETER OF THE SITE. THOSE ARE STILL IN PLACE. THERE ARE STILL PLANS TO CONSTRUCT THAT. THERE IS ALSO THE ONES THAT WERE AMENDING JUST TO ALLOW THE NURSING RETIREMENT AND CONVALESCENT FACILITY OF 55 AND OLDER. WE ARE AMENDING THE HOURS OF OPERATION BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO APPLY HOURS OF RESIDENTIAL -- WE ARE AMENDING THE BUILDING DESIGN AND SITE PLAN BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN WAS IN THE COMMITMENTS AS WELL IS THE ELEVATIONS. SO STAFF SAID WE ARE NOT GAUGING YOU AGAINST THE OLD BUILDING ELEVATION.

LET'S IMPORT THE NEW BUILDING ELEVATION INTO THE PLAN. AND THEN THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING THE 258,000 SQUARE FEET RATHER THAN 90,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE BUILDING. AGAIN THE TWO VARIANCES ON HEIGHT AND THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. ALL THE OTHER 17 14 COMMITMENTS THAT ARE IN THE ORIGINAL SET OF COMMITMENTS ARE BINDING AND WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A MODIFICATION TO THOSE. THEY WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO ANY

DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. NOW THE

DEPARTMENT REPORT. >> THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD ALEXI LOPEZ WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES. JUST BRIEFLY I THINK WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF THE SITE. JUST TO RECAP AND 2018 THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED FROM S TO TO BE ONE FOR PROPOSED THREE-STORY OFFICE BUILDING. THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMITMENTS THAT WERE AGREED TO BY THE ORIGINAL PETITIONER AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE OFFICE BUILDING PROJECT HAS NOT MOVED FORWARD. THE LAND HAS BEEN REMAINED VACANT SINCE

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TWO VARIANCES ARE REQUESTED THIS EVENING AND THIS IS BEING HEARD TOGETHER AS A COMBO COMMITTEE. COMBINED HEARING.

ONE IS FOR HEIGHT AND ONE IS FOR THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. IF YOU OF OUR REMAINING COMMENTS ARE RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURE JUST KIND OF SHOWING WHAT THOSE MATERIALS ARE ON THE BUILDING. THEY ARE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT SIMILAR CHARACTER BUT WE ARE WONDERING WHAT ARE THOSE MATERIAL SHOWN? AND THEN ADDING SOME LANGUAGE TO COMMITMENT NUMBER SEVEN OF THE PROPOSAL JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE FINAL ARCHITECTURE WILL STILL BE APPROVED WITH THE THAT THIS GOES TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THE REVIEW. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:45.

QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE CONSIDER A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE.

>> DEBBIE >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SEQUENCE FOR WHICH QUESTION SHOULD BE ASKED BASED ON WHAT WE ARE TRYING WITH THE REQUEST IS TO APPROVE TONIGHT. OR TO VOTE ON TONIGHT VERSUS THE FINAL PLAN. SO IN ENGLISH, WE ARE APPROVING WE ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A CONCEPT THAT REQUIRES THESE THREE -- VARIANCES AND THE COMMITMENT AMENDMENT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS CONFUSING TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING THIS. WE ARE JUST TONIGHT CHANGING THE RULES A LITTLE BIT TO ALLOW THEM TO COME IN WITH A DIFFERENT PROJECT. IS THAT A FAIR WAY TO DESCRIBE WHAT IS HAPPENING TONIGHT?

>> I THINK YOUR PURPOSE IS TO CLARIFY VERY PRECISELY FOR FOLKS WATCHING, WE ARE STARTING THAT PROCESS TONIGHT. WE WILL WE DO NOT HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY SO WE CANNOT AMEND OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT WITHOUT SENDING IT TO COMMITTEE. IT IS A GIVEN WE WILL BE SENDING IT TO COMMITTEE

FOR CONTINUED WORK. >> YOU JUST ANSWERED MIKE'S SECOND QUESTION. IN GENERAL, AS WE GO DOWN THIS PATH, THE PROJECT BACK IN 2018 WAS GOING TO BE A BIG COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THOSE ARE NOT NEEDED ANYMORE. WE'VE CHANGE THE WAY WE LIVE. I DO HAVE A CONCERN AS HAS BEEN STATED BY THE TWO -- ABOUT AGING IN PLACE. WHICH DOES IMPLY A CONTINUUM OF CARE GOING FROM INDEPENDENT LIVING TO ASSISTED LIVING TO LONG-TERM CARE. IF THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, THEN I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MODIFICATIONS. LIKE SOME SIGNIFICANT

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FALLING INTO THE CATEGORY. MYSELF OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. EVEN AS ONE PERSON I HAVE TWO CARS. I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. AND JUST A COMMENT, BEFORE COMING HERE TONIGHT SO THAT OUR SCOUT COULD SEE FIRSTHAND WHAT WE DEAL WITH I ACTUALLY DROVE UP INTO THE PROPERTY. AND TURNED AROUND IN THE DIRT. THANK GOODNESS IT WAS DRY. AND DROVE BACK DOWN. IT IS A STEEP GRADE. AT SOME POINT LIKE QUESTION WILL BE HOW MUCH OF THAT GRADE TO REACH THE UPPER PART OF THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE LEVELED? THAT IS A STEEP CLIMB UP. I AND ICY CONDITIONS I COULD SEE THAT WOULD BE A SWIFT EXIT OUT OF THE PROPERTY. SO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT GRADING. I KNOW THIS IS A FAR DOWN THE ROAD. I JUST WANT TO GET SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS OUT. MY FINAL COMMENT IS PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING FROM THEIR HOMES INTO SENIOR LIVING, OFTEN COME FROM GABLED ROOF PROPERTIES. THIS IS A STARK STARK DESIGN CONTRAST FROM WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE MOVING FROM. I DO HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT. FOR THE OUTDOOR SPACE JUST TO ASK WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT, TO CONSIDER SOME LARGE SWINGS LIKE AT MIDTOWN PLAYS A WHERE THERE ARE OUT DOOR PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO SIT. ASSUMING YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE GRANDPARENTS LIVING THERE WANTING GRANDCHILDREN TO VISIT. I'M NOT RECOMMENDING PLAYGROUNDS PER SE. BUT SOME OUTDOOR SEATING PLACES. JUST SOME GENERAL COMMENTS. BUT TO WRAP IT UP SO TONIGHT THE MOTION WILL BE TO SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE. FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE THREE DOCKET ITEMS. I'M LOOKING FOR A NOD THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIR. I'VE GOT I GUESS I WILL SAY SIMILAR QUESTIONS OR JUST CONCERNS IF YOU CAN PROVIDE MORE INFO RELATED TO THE PARKING VARIANCE. NORMALLY A VARIANCE MIGHT BE WE ARE REALLY CLOSE BUT WE JUST CAN'T QUITE GET THERE. WE NEED A VARIANCE. THIS IS A BIG ASK. I DON'T WANT TO OVER PARK I DON'T WANT TO UNDER PARKA SO I'M SURE THERE IS SOME MAGICAL NUMBER. WHAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR ME I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER MEMBERS WOULD FIND IT USEFUL WE TALKED ABOUT THE HERE ARE THE ASK IS 232 PARKING SPACES TO 340. THE NOBLESVILLE SITE I CAN'T READ MY OWN WRITING. I THINK IT SAYS 210.

UNITS NORA 300 SOUTH SIDE OF INDY 670. IF YOU CAN GIVE US A COMPARISON OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS VERSUS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT THESE OTHER FACILITIES. WE CAN DO A SIMILAR COMPARISON MAY BE ALSO ADD THE WOODLAND TERRACE AS WELL IS ANOTHER REFERENCE POINT. TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE ARE PARTS COMPARED TO WHAT THE ASK IS HERE. THE COMMITMENT FOR THE SCREENING AND THE LANDSCAPING WALL I'VE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. I WASN'T HERE IN 2018. I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMITMENTS AND HOW THEY REMAIN. IF WE CAN GET MAYBE JUST FOR ME A VISUAL OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN A CROSS-SECTION FROM A THE RESIDENCE TO THE WEST WHAT THEY MIGHT SEE LOOKING INTO THE SCREENING LANDSCAPING WHATEVER IT IS COMPARED TO THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ASK HERE VERSUS WHAT IS ALREADY APPROVED. THAT MIGHT HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT THAT IS. AND THEN FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT I SAW THE OLD PLAN HAD DRY DETENTION IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. IS THERE UNDERGROUND DETENTION HERE?

JUST CURIOUS. >> I THINK JEFF ASKED MY

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ACCURATE? >> I'M GOING TO HAVE STAFF PROVIDE THE NUMBERS. WE LOOK AT THE PRIOR PROJECT LAST YEAR I THINK THE AVERAGE FELL SOMEWHERE IN THAT ROUGH

PROXIMITY. >> I THINK THE LIGHTING ISSUE WE DISCUSSED LIGHT POLLUTION FOR THE NEIGHBORS.

>> IT REQUIRES ANY INDEPENDENT ATTACHMENT LIKE A LIGHT POLE TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 50 FEET IN HEIGHT. WITHIN 92 TO THE PROPERTY LINE. WE ARE AGREEABLE TO USE [INAUDIBLE] AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT WILL BE ADDRESSED.

>> FOR THE COMMERCIAL PARKING IS THERE ANY CHANCE THERE COULD BE SOME SORT OF OVERFLOW COMMITMENT FROM ASCENSION TO THE EAST IN CASE THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE PARKING CAN YOU CROSS ILLINOIS FROM THAT PARKING SPOT IN CASE WE NEED EXTRA PARKING OR DO WE THINK PARKING IS SUFFICIENT FOR THE COMMERCIAL

SPACE? >> THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.

>> KIND OF ON THAT FRONT -- I'VE BEEN TOUCHING ONE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID. IF THOSE OTHER SCENARIOS HAVE A SHARED PARKING STRATEGY OR IMPACTS THAT MIGHT BE RELEVANT TO KNOW. I LIKE WHERE ADAM IS AT WITH THIS. I JUST DON'T THINK IT IS PRACTICAL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK AT EXTENSION AND COME OVER. IT IS A BIT OF A SCHLEP. I CAN HELP BUT MAY BE DIVE OUT OF MY LANE FOR A SECOND. STAY WITH ME FOR A SECOND. I SEE A COUPLE THINGS HERE THAT I FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT. THE WATER THAT IS GOING THROUGH THERE AND COMING OFF THE SITE. SO THAT MEANS THE CREEK AND THE STORM WATERSHED.

AND THEN I OF COURSE JUST ADORE A SEA OF PARKING. SO, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD PREVIOUSLY WAS THIS ISN'T A QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW. I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW IF MR. -- OF THE COMMISSION WERE INTERESTED IN USING SOME TIF TO MAYBE CREATE SOME SHADED PARKING IN THIS SCENARIO. MAYBE THAT HAS SOLAR PANELS GREEN ROOFS ON IT. IN THE PARKING LOT. TO KIND OF REDUCE SOME HEAT SIGNATURE. AND MAY BE HELP CAPTURE SOME OF THE STORM RUNOFF. AND THEN AGAIN WITH THE STORM RUNOFF AND THE CREEK THAT IS GOING THROUGH THERE, MAY BE THERE IS SOME TIF DOLLARS CAN BE ALLOCATED AND MAYBE SOME WORK WITH THE STORMWATER ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CITY OR HAMILTON COUNTY SOIL AND WATER AND SEE WHAT KIND OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE ADDED TO ENHANCE THE WATER QUALITY AS IT IS COMING OFF THE SITE. I KNOW IT IS A STRETCH AND I KNOW THAT IS PROBABLY NOT MY PURVIEW. I CAN'T HELP US SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.

>> JUST AS A QUICK FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE I KNOW THE PLAN IS GOING TO CHANGE. BUT RIGHT NOW CONCEPTUALLY HOW MUCH PARKING IS INSIDE UNDERGROUND VERSUS

OUTSIDE? >> IF I'M HONESTLY THERE ARE 45 SPACES THAT ARE UNDERGROUND. RATHER UNDER THE BUILDING AND THAT NORTHEAST CORNER. THERE ARE FOR PARKING GARAGES ANOTHER 32 SPACES INSIDE THOSE GARAGE OR GARAGE BUILDINGS.

>> 30 AND GARAGES. >> 75 TO 80 TOTAL.

>> THINK YOU PICK >> ONE LAST COMMENT PICK MAYBE FOR THE NEXT DISCUSSION I WOULD LIKE TO LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TREE COMMITMENT. ALONG THE WEST AND SOUTH. JOINING THE NEIGHBORHOODS IF YOU CAN TALK MORE TO THAT IN THE NEXT

MEETINGS PICK >> THANK YOU. TO THAT POINT I KNOW THAT JOHN HAS HEARD THIS SO MR. JUSTICE HEARS THIS.

ALTHOUGH I AM THE APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION I AM A BIG FAVOR OF TREES. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF KEEPING SCSI OLD TREES THAT AREN'T DOING ANYBODY ANY FAVORS. I WOULD RATHER PULL THE BAND-AID OFF AND GIVE SOME NEW LIGHT TO A

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WHY DO WE DO THAT? >> JOHN COMMITTEE IF YOU COULD GIVE US A RENDERING OF WHAT THE VIEW FROM RISOTTO HILL WOULD BE PAST THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE PAST THE LANDSCAPING INSIDE THAT WALL. BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT USE HERE THEN THE A TO FIVE OFFICE USE PREVIOUSLY. AND THE BALCONIES.

AND THEN LIKE AT COMMITTEE THERE TO BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT TWO THINGS WITH RESPECT TO THE BALCONY DESIGN. ONE IS JUST AS COMPANIES THINKING ON THE VALUE OR THE MERITS OF BALCONY RAILING THAT IS HIGHLY TRANSPARENT. AND INSULATES WELL. VERSUS BALCONY RAILING THAT MAY BE IS MORE SOLID AND CREATES MORE PRIVACY GOING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. AND THE OTHER ASPECT WITH RESPECT TO THE BALCONIES IS IF THERE IS A FLUSHMOUNTED OVERHEAD LIGHT OR A WALL LIGHT WITH THE LIGHTING EXPERIENCE OF THE WEST ELEVATION WOULD BE. TO THE PARKING LOT INTO NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST. FOR THE COMMERCIAL PIECE I SEE I THINK IT WAS A SIX BASIS CURRENTLY PROPOSED.

IMMEDIATELY OUTSIDE THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. WHERE WOULD BE THE CLOSEST OVERFLOW PARKING FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE PATRONS?

>> WOULD THAT BE IN THE GARAGE? YOU WOULD GO DOWN THE RAMP INTO

THE UNDERGROUND PARKING? >> [INAUDIBLE]

>> JOHN IF YOU COULD REPEAT THAT LOUD ENOUGH.

>> THERE IS ALSO ELEVATOR ACCESS INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING. THAT WILL COME TO THAT LEVEL FOR PATRONS OF THE

BUILDING. >> ARE YOU FAR ENOUGH THE BUILDIN PLANS TO KNOW WHTHER THERE WOULD BE AN ELEVATOR LOCATED PROXIMATE TO THE COMMERCIAL SPACE OR WOULD IT BE MORE CENTRAL IN THE BUILDING?

>> ARE THE ELEVATORS GOING TO BE CONVENIENT ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE THE UNDERGROUND PARKING?

>> I THINK THERE IS ONE MORE THAN ONE BANK.

>> GOOD. AND IF YOU COULD UPDATE THE COMMITTEE ON THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS IN TERMS OF GRADE AND SLOPE. FOR STAIRWAYS AND RAMPS WHAT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED PITCH IS FOR THOSE. I THINK RIGHT NOW WE SEE A SITE THAT HAS IS HIGHLY ELEVATED COMPARED TO EITHER ILLINOIS OR 106. THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE OR TO NOT THAT EXTENT. WHEN YOU'RE DONE GRADING FOR THE BUILDING BUT UNDERSTANDING FOR PEDESTRIAN COMING IN FROM OFF-SITE WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE WOULD BE IN TERMS OF NAVIGATING ANY GREAT CHANGE THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED

PICK >> IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION IS THERE A MOTION ON HOW WE WISH TO SEND THIS TO THE COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER STUDY?

>> I MOVE THAT WE SEND THE THREE DOCKET ITEMS FOR TONIGHT -- 00122, 00123 AND 00130 TO THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE PICK

>> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> SECOND WITH THE ELEMENT THE ITEM GOING BACK TO THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION FOR

APPROVAL. >> YES

>> GREAT. VERY GOOD PICK ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION IS CLARIFIED. ANY OPPOSED? THIS WILL GO TO THE STUDY COMMITTEE MEETING NEXT ON OCTOBER FIRST. HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. IT WILL STAY WITH THE COMMITTEE UNTIL THEY ARE PREPARED TO SEND IT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR A DECISION.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

>> THANK YOU. THERE IS NOTHING FURTHER ON OUR AGENDA

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