Oct 07, 2024 City Council Meeting 10-07-2024

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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I WILL LIKE TO BRING THE MEETING OF THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL OCTOBER 7, 2024 TO ORDER.

I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PATIENCE WORKING THROUGH THIS TECHNOLOGY ISSUES. AS WE WORK THROUGH IT, WE WILL

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING THE AGENDA?

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 12 C SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D- 2729-24 TO ITEM 13 C UNDER PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE THE VOTE AND HE WILL DO A VOICEVOTE .

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED?

THE AYE HAS IT. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF AGENDA.

>> DISCUSSION? VOICE VOTE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED?

[3. INVOCATION]

>> THANK YOU. HOLY ONE, KNOWN BY MANY NAMES ANDBEYOND ALL NAMES , LOOK WITH COMPASSION THE WHOLE HUMAN FAMILY, TAKE AWAY THE ARROGANCE AND HATRED WHICH INFECTS OUR HEARTS, BREAK DOWN THE WALLS THAT SEPARATE US, UNITE US IN BONDS OF LOVE AND WORK THROUGH OUR STRUGGLES TO ACCOMPLISH OUR PURPOSE ON EARTH. WE ASK YOUR BLESSING ON THE PEOPLE HEAR WHO HAVE BEEN CALLED TO LEAVE THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.

HELP LEADERS TO NOT ASK FIRST HOW DO WE FIX THIS, BUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO LEARN, HOW MIGHT WE NEED TO CHANGE, AND WHOM DO WE NEED TO LISTEN? GRANT US ALL THE WISDOM AND COURAGE TO KNOW AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND GOOD AND TRUE.

WE PRAY IN THE NAME OF THE ONE WHO WE HOLD SACRED AND HOLY,

AMEN. >> THANK YOU.

[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

COULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND AND TURN TO THE FLAG? WE HAVE BOY SCOUTS HE WILL BE LEAVING US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THANK YOU.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 5, RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES

[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]

RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO ITEM NUMBER SIX , RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO ADDRESSED THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BLUE CARDS HERE, SO EVERYONE PLEASE BE PATIENT.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT SPOKEN YOU BEFORE, WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, I WILL CALL UP TWO NAMES.

FIRST ONE, GO TO THE PODIUM OF HERE, COUNSELOR WORRELL WILL HELP YOU GET THE LIGHT ON SO YOU KNOW YU'RE TALKING INTO THE MICROPHONE. THE SECOND NAME, PLEASE COME UP AND GET IN THE BATTING ORDER ON DECK.

WHEN YOU COME UP, ONCE YOUR LIGHT IS ON, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME SO WE KNOW FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS A RECORD OF WHO YOU ARE.

YOU WILL SEE THREE LIGHTS UP THERE, GREEN, YELLOW AND RED.

THE GREEN LIGHT WILL COME ON WHEN YOU START SPEAKING, YELLOW, WITH 30 SECONDS AGO AND A RED LIGHT WILL COME ON, ONE THAT COMES ON, PLEASE WRAP UP THE SENTENCE YOU ARE ON AND MOVE ON.WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK, WE HAVE 18 CARDS HERE OF THE 22, 23 CARDS THAT WE HAVE.

EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW LONG IT MIGHT TAKE.PLEASE BE COURTEOUS TO THE PERSON SPEAKIN, AND ALSO TO THE COUNCIL AND KEEP YOUR COMMENTS, APPLAUSE OR WHATEVER TO YOURSELF SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THREE MINUTES PER PERSON AND 22 CARDS. SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UP (NAME), IF YOU COULD COME UP.

AGAIN, COUNSELOR WORRELL WILL HELP YOU GET SET UP.

AND RACHEL (NAME) ON DECK THEM AS YOU COME UP BEHIND.

>> HI, MY NAME IS (NAME) AND THIS IS MY HUSBAND, JACOB.

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BEGINNING OFTHE MARKET . >> SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE MARKET, WE HAVE ALWAYS APPRECIATED EVERYONE'S HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO BRINGING THE BEST MARKET TO THE USA TO CARMEL INDIANA YEAR AFTER YEAR. I HAVE RESEARCHED TRULY AUTHENTIC GERMAN MARKETS AND HAVING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES OF PRODUCT WITH FOOD BEING AUTHENTIC TO GERMANY.

A TEST ON EACH YEAR BY THE CARMEL TEAM AND VENDORS.

>> ONE OF THE HARDEST QUALITIES DEFINED IN THE TEAM AND EMPLOYEES ARE PEOPLE WHO CARE AND HAVE A PASSION, FOR WHAT YOU DO, THE WORK THEY ARE DOING AND THE SUCCESS OF THE BUSINESS. ALSO, PASSION AND DREAM TO GROW. I'VE ALWAYS APPRECIATED HOW IN CARMEL, YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

YOU HAVE FOURTH OF JULY EVENT, THE CARMEL FARMERS MARKET WITH WRONG CORNER AS WAS DEBORAH AND SUSAN, AND THE CHRISTMAS MARKET YOU HAVE MARIA AND MICHAEL. PEOPLE WITH CONTINUOUSLY PUT IN YEARS OF SERVICE AND PASSION AND ARE READY TO MAKE IT BETTER THAN THE LAST. THERE IS REALLY NO VALUE WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT AND LOVE TO BRING THE BEST OF THE BEST TO THE EVENT. IT IS NOT JUST SOMEONE WORKING ON 9-TO-5, IT IS SOMEONE WHO CONTINUE TO THINKING ALL DAY, HOW CAN WE BE BETTER? HOW CAN WE BE MORE AUTHENTIC? WHAT MAKES US AS A CHRISTMAS MARKET STAND OUT.

THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES THE CARMEL CHRISTMAS MARKET SO SPECIAL. ADDITIONALLY, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THE MARKET BRINGS INTO YOUR CITY FROM ALL OVER INDIANA AND THE U.S. IS AMAZING. IT IS NOW BECOME A FAMILY TRADITION FOR THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES.

WE HAVE WORKED CHRISTMAS EVE FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS AND WE SEE THE SAME FACES YEAR AFTER YEAR.

IT IS THE CHRISTMAS MAGIC OF THE MARKET THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED BY MARIA THAT MAKES THE HOLIDAY TIME SO SPECIAL WITH YOUR FAMILY. IT IS THE EXECUTION OF EVERY DETAIL OF THE MARKET, FROM THE PYRAMID TO THE MUSEUM, A WORKSTATION, THE KIDS AREA AND THE VENDOR SELECTION.

EVERY DETAIL IS A BEAUTIFUL CURATED BY THE MARKET TEAM.WE LOOK FORWARD TO SHARING THE CARMEL MAGIC WITH OUR SON YEAR AFTER YEAR. WE WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING THOSE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND ALLOWING US TO BE VENDORS, IT IS VERY SPECIAL FOR US. HIM TOO.

[LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU.

HOPEFULLY NOT EVERYONE BRINGS THEIR BABY APPEAR OTHERWISE I WILL FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME AND I DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT TONIGHT. RACHEL, YOU ARE UP AND DANIEL (NAME), IF YOU CAN STAND ON DECK.

>> HI, I AM (NAME), I HAVE BEEN A VENDOR FOR MULTIPLE YEARS AND OPERATE MULTIPLE HEIGHTS. IT IS VERY PERSONAL FOR ME AS WELL, BUT I'M ALSO FEELING PASSIONATE ABOUT THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE GERMAN MARKET AND AM IN LOVE WITH WHAT CHICAGO HAS DONE BEFORE CARMEL EXISTED AND I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THE TREMENDOUS EFFORTS OF MARIA, MICHAEL AND THE TEAM.

IT IS SO SPECIAL TO BE A PART OF.

I REALLY APPLAUD THEM AND HOW IT IS OPERATED IN THE PAST.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE.

I WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE AS A VENDOR AND THE CAPACITY, AND I SO APPRECIATE MARIA'S FAITH AND NAME COMES TO MIND BECAUSE I MET THE MOST COMMUNICATION WITH HER PASSION FOR GERMANY.

ALSO WHEN I WAS FIRST APPLYING TO BE A VENDOR, I WANTED IT SO BADLY.I SPOKE GERMAN WITH HER AND WE BONDED OVER SHARED EXPERIENCES AND TIME SPENT IN GERMANY.

I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANYONE MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT PRESERVING THE AND BRINGING IT TO CARMEL.

I HOPE IT WILL CONTINUE. >> THANK YOU.

DANIEL, YOU ARE UP MOTHER LAUR LANCASTER ON DECK .>> MY NAME IS (NAME), MY FAMILY AND I HAVE BEEN RESIDENTS OF CARMEL FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. WE LOVE CARMEL, THERE ARE SO MANY PARTS THAT BREAK TRADITION AND CARMEL HAS ALSO BEEN ON CERTAINTRADITIONS . FRANKLY WHEN IT FIRST STARTED, WE WERE NOT SURE WHAT IS THIS? HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY BE SUCCESSFUL? CARMEL TOOK A RISK AND IT IS A INCREDIBLE . IT'S A TRADITION THAT WE LOVE, MY DAUGHTER WAS IN EUROPE THE SECOND YEAR WE VISITED MULTIPLE

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I THINK WHAT MY MAIN CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL CHANGES IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS THAT FROM AN ADMINISTRATION THAT PROMISED TRANSPARENCY AS ONE OF THE HALLMARKS IT WAS RUN ON. THIS HAS BEEN ANYTHING BUT TRANSPARENT WHAT HAS OCCURRED. IT IS VERY CONCERNING, FRANKLY I VOTED FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION AND DO SO AGAIN.

I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE THINGS ARE GOING BASED ON THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND POTENTIAL TO FRANKLY BRING IN BUREAUCRACY WHERE IT IS NOT NECESSARILY NEEDED, JUST SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL.

IT SEEMED LIKE TEAMWORK IS SOMETHING THAT IS BETWEEN THE CITY, BETWEEN THE BOARD THAT JUST RESIGNED, SOMETHING HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL WERE IT TO OUT TO CONTINUE. I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED ON WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND HOPE THAT SOME CHANGE CAN OCCUR THAT WOULD ALLOW THINGS TO CONTINUE THE

WAY THEY WERE, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

(NAME) IS UP AND (NAME) IS ON DECK.

>> HELLO COUNCILMEMBERS, MY NAME IS LAURA LANCASTER.

I HAVE BEEN A CARMEL CITIZEN FOR 47 YEARS AND IN THAT TIME, THE CITY HAS GROWN FROM A SMALL, SLEEPY TOWN TO A VIBRANT CITY FULL OF LIFE AND CULTURE. I HAVE GONE TO THE MARKET EVERY YEAR SINCE ITS INCEPTION AND HAVE VOLUNTEER AT THE MARKET.

LAST YEAR, I TOOK A PART-TIME JOB - - READING THE ARTICLE OF THE COVID STUNNED BY WHAT IT SAID.

THE GROWTH OF THE MARKET AND HOW MANY PEOPLE COME OUT OF THE CITY, THE STATE AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY TO VISIT OUR MARKET.

I VISITED - - WEEKS OF THE MARKET.

I SEE OF THE CITY'S INVESTMENT HAS BENEFITED THE CITY'S BUSINESSES AND ITS CULTURAL APPEAL.

I KNOW THAT THE FORMAL ADMINISTRATION UNDERSTOOD THAT INVESTMENTS MUST BE MADE FROM LONG-TERM BENEFITS AND I SAW THOSE INVESTMENTS COMING TO LIFE IN THE MARKET AS IT IS GROWN. I FEAR NOW THAT THE CITY HAS BECOME SHORTSIGHTED. READING ABOUT HOW THE MARKET BOARD MEMBERS WERE BLINDSIDED AND REPLACED ONLY A MONTH AWAY FROM THE MARKET OPENING DAY WAS APPALLING.

ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE, IT FEELS LIKE THERE WAS A PLAN ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED FOR THE MARKET TO BE MORE SELF-SUSTAINING AND THE BOARD WAS ACTING COOPERATIVELY WITH THE CITY . IF THEY ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF BECOMINGSELF-SUSTAINING MEANS HIRING NEW STAFF , MAKING IMPROVEMENTS AND TAKING ON THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS OF INSURANCE AND CONTRACTS AND HOLDING AN INCIDENTAL FUND FOR UNFORESEEN ISSUES. IF THE MARKET HAD MAINTAINED THE SAME INCOME YEAR TO YEAR, THE CITY WOULD THINK IT UNWORTHY OF INVESTMENT IN THAT WORKING TOWARDS SELF-SUFFICIENCY. THERE IS NO GOOD REASON PROVIDED IN THE ARTICLE ABOUT WHY - - FORMER DIRECTOR OF TOURISM TO OBVIOUSLY APPROPRIATE BOARD MEMBERS WITH A LOBBYIST, LAWYER AND FINANCIAL ADVISOR.

GIVEN THE SNEAKY PROCUREMENT WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE BOARD, IT ALL JUST SEEMS DISHONEST.

THE ARTICLE MENTIONS THE RISK THIS POSES TO THE NONPROFIT STATUS OFTHE MARKET , SO WHY THEN THE CITY WANT TO TAKE ON THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MARKET AS A BUSINESS VENTURE? THIS MARKET WAS INTENDED TO BRING CULTURE, JOY TO THE CITY OF CARMEL AS A NONPROFIT.

I WORRY THE CITIES MAKING PROBLEMATIC POSITION TO PUT THE FUTURE OF THE MARKET AND ITS AUTHENTICITY AND RISK.

IT ESSENTIALLY AFFECTS THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE AS IT HAS BEEN IN AMERICA'S BEST CHRISTMAS MARKET FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, WHY WOULD THE CITY JEOPARDIZE THE DIRECTION OF THE

MARKET? >> THANK YOU, GERALD, YOU ARE

UP.(NAME), YOU ARE ON DECK. >> HELLO, I AM (NAME).

I AM SUPPORTIVE OF CARMEL, AND ALSO SOLID SUPPORTER OF - -. I AM A VOLUNTEER AT THE MARKET AND HAD BEEN THERE EVERY SINGLE

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I AM THERE TYPICALLY 2 TO 4 HOURS PER DAY.

I WILL TYPICALLY TALK TO ABOUT 250 INDIVIDUALS.

I WILL TRY TO TALK TO THEM NOT JUST ABOUT - - BUT ALSO ABOUT THE CITY OF CARMEL IN THIS ARE , AND THE IMPORTANCE OF ALL OF THIS. THE REASON IT IS SO IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IT HAS BECOME A MAJOR RESOURCE FOR CENTRAL INDIANA AND FOR THE STATE OF INDIANA, CERTAINLY FOR CARMEL.

FIRST YEAR, 2017, HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW HOW MUCH PEOPLE GOT HERE THAT YEAR? 152,000 PEOPLE PER YEAR THAT YEAR. LAST YEAR WE HAD AROUND 450,000 PEOPLE. THEY BRING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE AREA, THAT SORT OF THING. WHEN I TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE, I'M NOT JUST TALKING TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THE MARKET LOOKS LIKE, I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE CITY OF CARMEL AND HOW GOOD WE ARE. THE CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS, THAT SORT OF THING IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS AREA. - - WHEN YOU, YOU WILL SEE ME.

I WILL BE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. I SOMETIMES TALK TO LARGE

GROUPS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

UP NEXT IS JOY AND NEXT, MICHAEL (NAME).

>> I, CAN EVERYONE HEAR THAT? IN 2017, I FOUND THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A NEW CHRIS KENDALL MARKET, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT WAS BUT I WENTTO THE MEETING TO FIND THAT THE DETAILS AND I MET MARIA . SHE WANTED TO MEET WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE POTENTIAL WORKERS, TELL US ABOUT THE MARKET AND WORKING IN THE HEARTS AND TRY TO ASCERTAIN IF WE WERE THE KIND OF PEOPLE SHE WANTED TO MEET HER GUESTS AT THE MARKET.

I GUESS I PASSED HER TEST BECAUSE I WORKED FOUR YEARS AT THE MARKET HERE IN CARMEL. I LOVE VISITING WITH OUR GUESTS AND HAVING THEM TELL ME ABOUT THE MARKETS IN GERMANY AND HOW ARE MARKET IS SO SIMILAR TO THOSE IN EUROPE.

I LOVE HEARING STORIES ABOUT THE GIFTS AND ITEMS THAT WE PURCHASE FROM GERMANY FOR THE MARKET, THE FAMILIES WERE THE THINGS WERE MADE, THE TOWNS WHERE THEY ARE MADE AND PASSING THOSE STORIES ONTO OUR GUESTS. I LOVE THAT PART.

I HAVE BEEN VP AND BOARD MEMBER OF A NONPROFIT CHARITY IN CARMEL AND I CAN TELL YOU IF YOU ADD A BUNCH OF COMMITTEES AND PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, TALKING TO MARKET GUESTS, THEY ARE MAKING DECISIONS REGARDING THE MARKET, IT CAN BE A FACELESS CORPORATION AND LATER, MAYBE NEEDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU.

I WANT THE MARKET TO CONTINUE TO BE THIS PERSONABLE, WARM, FESTIVE, LOVELY PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME.ALL FOUR YEARS, THAT I HAVE WORKED VILLAGE YOU CAN LOOK UP FROM YOUR HEART AND SEE MARIA WALKING AROUND.

SHE IS PRAYING FOR US AND CHECKING ON US TO SEE IF WE HAVE HAD A BREAK OR IF WE ARE HUNGRY.

SHE IS CHECKING IN OUR GUESTS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A GREAT TIME. CAN THE CITY OF CARMEL GUARANTEE IT WILL STILL HAVE THEKIND OF CARE FROM BOTH OUR WORKERS AND THEIR LEADER ? OR, WILL IT TAKE A MONTH FOR A DECISION TO BE MADE TO GIVE OUR MARKET JUST THE BEST POSSIBLE EXPERIENCE? WILL THE PEOPLE SPENDING THE MONEY AT THE MARKET WANT TO RETURN THE NEXT YEAR THAT THEY CURRENTLY DO IF THE CITY OF CARMEL TAKES CONTROL?

>> THANK YOU. MICHAEL IS UP, THEN RICHARDSON

ON DECK.>> I WILL THINK THE COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY - - MY NAME IS (NAME), I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF OPERATIONS AND NOW LIKE TO MAKE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT I'M NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE ORGANIZATION, BUT RATHER AS AN INDIVIDUAL WITH UNIQUE INSIGHTS TO SOME OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP IN RECENT BUDGET HEARINGS.

MY AIM IS TO SPELL ANY CONCEIVABLE MOTIONS - -

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WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO SO IN SMALL WAYS OVER THE PAST SIX MARKET SEASONS. WOULD LIKE ALL PARTIES TO KEEP IN MIND AFTER TWO SEASONS, THE MARKET BECAME SUSTAINABLE ENOUGH TO NOT CONTINUE GRANT FUNDS TO THE CITY OF CARMEL AND WE HOPE IT IS RECOGNIZED AS RAPID FIRST STEPS TOWARD THOSE NONPROFITS FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE. WHILE THE GROWTH AND PROGRESS WAS INTERRUPTED DURING THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC, I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO LOSE SIGHT AS WE PARTNER WITH THE CITY, ROARED BACK TO RELEVANCE AROUND SUCCESS DURING 2021 DURING A TIME OF PARTICULAR UNCERTAINTY. THIS WAS A BOOM FOR CARMEL CITIZENS AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AS WELL.

IN 2022, THE MARKET ABSORBED NEARLY $110,000 OF LABOR AND MATERIAL COST FOR THE EVENT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.IN 2023, WE SET OUR SIGHTS ON LESSENING THE BURDEN ON THE CITY'S EMERGENCY SERVICES. WITH THAT HOT, THE NUMBER OF REPORTED MEDICAL INCIDENTS NEARLY QUINTUPLED WITH THE NUMBER OF 9-1-1 CALLS. THE MARKET CONTRIBUTED 15,000 TO HELP WITH TRAFFIC AND PARKING CONCERNS LATE IN PLACE TO STREAMLINE HOW THE MARKET WAS - - TENS, IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

IN 2024, THE MARKET WAS MAKING PREPARATIONS TO FURTHER ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC AND PARKING CONCERNS BY INVESTING OVER $80,000 TO HAVE THE SHUTTLE SERVICE.

THE GOAL WAS TO CREATE A SPARKING PARKING GARAGE OUT OF THIN AIR THAT SERVES NOT JUST - - THEATER AND NEARBY BUSINESSES. IN SHORT, THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR THE MARKET COMMITMENT TO US IN THE CITY'S INVESTMENT IN THIS EVENT. MEASURES OF EFFICIENCY ARE BEING INSTITUTED AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND PLAN FOR THE YEARS TO COME, IT IS VITAL NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THE PROGRESS WE HAVE ALREADY MADE. THE WILLINGNESS IS UNDOUBTEDLY THERE, BUT WE DO NOTICE AMPLE NOTICE AND WE ASK FOR FAIR NOTICE AT THE NEGOTIATING - - THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, (NAME) IS UP AND (NAME) IS ON DECK.

>> HELLO, MY NAME IS BEN RICHARDSON, I AM A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, AND I THINK YOU SPEAK AND - - VARIOUS WAYS FOR THE LAST EIGHTYEARS . SHE HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHILDREN'S PROGRAMMING AND MUCH OF THE CULTURAL ASPECTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, SHE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THE RIGHT BREAD FOR THE DONOR - -. THIS MARKET IS A CULTURAL LIFELINE FOR MY WIFE WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED IN GERMANY AND MY KIDS WHO WERE RAISED IN AMERICA.

WE ARE NOT ALONE. OVER 30% OF HOOSIERS HAVE GERMAN HERITAGE. WE LOVE THE MARKET FOR WHAT IT HAS BECOME. IT HAS BECOME WHAT IT IS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF MARIA ROSENFELD.

MARIA HAS MADE DECISIONS FOR THE MARKET TO ENSURE ITS CULTURAL INTEGRITY FROM DAY ONE.

I FULLY BELIEVE - - YEARS TO COME.

AS I FOLLOW THE EVENTS OF THIS TAKEOVER, I KEEP ASKING SIMPLY, WHY? MARIA AND HER TEAM HAVE BEEN DOING AN AMAZING JOB OF RUNNING THE MARKET, MAKING IT WHAT IT IS TODAY. WHY DOES THE MAYOR THINK THAT CITY GOVERNMENT CAN DO BETTER? WHY SHOULD THE CITY BE OWNING AN EVENTAT ALL ? THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN EVENT MANAGEMENT. TH ACTIONS TAKEN - - OFF NEGOTIATIONS, PUBLIC STATEMENTS AND DIRECT - - TO WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION WAS DOING.

PER THE ARTICLE IN THE CURRENT, THE MARKET HAD BEEN TRYING TO NEGOTIATE TO PAY THE CITY BACK. MAYOR (NAME)'S TEAM TENDED TO NEGOTIATE THE SEIZE CONTROL WITHOUT WARNING.

WHY? IF IT WERE ABOUT THE MONEY, THEY COULD HAVE HAD THE MONEY, BUT THEY DID NOT TAKE IT.

THE TIMING. THEY DID THIS JUST AS THE MARKET IS ABOUT TO START. WHY? I AM ALSO CONCERNED WITH HOW THE IMMIGRATION HAS TREATED PEOPLE IN THIS PROCESS. MARIA AND HER TEAM HAVE BEEN DEDICATED TO MAKING AN EVENT PTHAT CARMEL CAN BE PROUD OF, A HAS THE BOARD THAT MAY OR (NAME) HERSELF HAD PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT OUR CITY AND WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER.

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WHAT IS THE STATE OR OTHER CIVIC MINDED PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO GOOD FOR CARMEL? WILL THEY BE DETERRED FROM CIVIC ENGAGEMENT FOR FEAR OF WHAT THE MAYOR MIGHT DO TO THEM? THIS IS NOT BEHAVIOR THAT REPRESENTS THE CARMEL THAT - -: CITY COUNCIL TO INVESTIGATE THE ACTIONS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION IN THESE MATTERS.

PUT A STOP TO THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, JENNIFER IS UP AND (NAME) IS ON DECK.

>> MY NAME IS JENNIFER COURTNEY AND I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN DEEPLY INVESTED THE CARMEL - - I'M CURRENTLY INVOLVED WITH THE MARKET AS A CONTRACT EMPLOYEE SERVING AS A GUEST SERVICES COORDINATOR. OVER THIS PAST YEAR, I HAVE WITNESSED FIRSTHAND THE POSITIVE IMPACT THIS MARKET HAS HAD OUR COMMUNITY. IT HAS BECOME MORE THAN JUST A HOLIDAY ATTRACTION, IT'S A CULTURAL HUG AND A SOURCE OF PRIDE FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL. MY FAMILY AND I CHERISH THE MARKET AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE RECENT GOVERNMENT CHANGES THAT APPEAR TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE.

ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE, SEEM CITY STAFF IS MISTREATED AND DEDICATED LEADERS WHO HAVE BUILT THE CHRIS KENDALL MARKET TO WHAT IT IS TODAY, AMERICA'S NUMBER ONE HOLIDAY MARKET FOR FOUR CONSECUTIVE YEARS. THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE VOLUNTEERED COUNTLESS HOURS TO MAKE SURE THE MARKET NOT ONLY SURVIVES, BUT THRIVES. I FEAR THE SUDDEN CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP AND OPERATIONAL OVERSIGHT MAY JEOPARDIZE THE AUTHENTICITY AND MISSION THAT IS MADE THE MARKET SUCH A BELOVED TRADITION. HOWEVER, THESE RECENT CHANGES MUST RAISE A MUCH LARGER QUESTION.

IS THE CITY'S INTENTION TO TAKE OVER THE CHRIS KENDALL MARK COMPLETELY? IF SO, WHAT IS THE NEED FOR OTHER EVENTS? I AM RESPECTFULLY ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO INVESTIGATE THESE CHANGES AND CAREFULLY CONSIDER HOW THEY CAN AFFECT THE MARKET'S FUTURE, SPECIFICALLY I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE CHANGES COULD IMPACT THE MARKET'S NONPROFIT STATUS AND WHETHER THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS INVOLVED ADEQUATE INPUT FROM ALL STAKEHOLDERS. IF THE CITY TAKES OWNERSHIP, WHAT ASSURANCES DO WE HAVETHE MARKET UNIQUE, CULTURAL OFFERINGS AND MISSION WILL BE PRESERVED? THIS MARKET IS MORE THAN JUST A SEASONAL EVENT, IT IS A CULTURAL BEACON THAT BRINGS OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND ENHANCES THE SPIRIT OF CARMEL DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON.IT'S A PLACE WHERE FAMILIES, INCLUDING MINE, HAVE BUILT TREASURED MEMORIES AND CONNECTIONS. WE RISK LOSING WHAT MAKES THE MARKET SPECIALTY CHANGES PROCEED WITHOUT PROPER CONSIDERATION AND FULL TRANSPARENCY.

TAKE THE TIME TO INVESTIGATE THESE CONCERNS AND ENSURE THAT ANY DECISIONS MADE ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE CARMEL CHRIS KENDALL MARK.HANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MOVING ON TO KRISTIN AND TRAVIS (NAME), YOU ARE ON DECK.

>> MY NAME IS KRISTIN KELLY HOOKS, I AM REPRESENTING (NAME) AS HER PROXY. I'M HERE ON MY OWN ACCORD AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO EXPRESS CONCERNS OVER WHAT I HAD HEARD - - JUNIOR AT PURDUE WHO HAS LIVED IN CARMEL SINCE I WAS YOUNG. I AM WRITING BECAUSE I HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE RECENT CHANGES TO THE CHRIS KENDALL MARK BOARD WAS A FORMAL - - IN 2018 AND HAVE VOLUNTEERED AND WORKED AT THE CHRIS KENDALL MARK EVERY YEAR SINCE .

WE WERE ALL CHILDREN, THERE IS A SPECIAL PART OF CHRISTMAS THAT WAS MAGICAL. I AM NOT SURE IF IT WAS THE THOUSANDS OF LITTLE LIGHTS, THE SMELL OF WARMED BAKED GOODS OR THE LITTLE SHOPS WITH HOMEMADE CHRISTMAS STICKERS THAT RESTORE THE - - CHRISTMAS TO ALL AGES. - - WORKS EVERY YEAR, YEAR ROUND TO PRESENT THE NUMBER ONE - - TIRELESS EFFORTS OF THESE INDIVIDUALS ON THE BOARD ARE SHOWN THROUGHOUT THE MARKET.

I FULLY SUPPORT THE CARMEL CHRIS KENDALL MARK AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE GOVERNANCE CHANGES THAT ARE SETTLING TAKEN PLACE. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE CHANGES THAT APPEAR TO UP AT THE MISSION AND VISION OF THE MARKET AT RISK. I HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY OF CARMEL MY ENTIRE LIFE AND IS ALWAYS BEEN PROUD OF THE CITY HAVE COME FROM. SEEING THE CITIES MAKE - - I

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I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE CONCERNS TO CITY COUNCIL AND AFTER THEY INVESTIGATE FURTHER INTO THE LONG-TERM EFFECT OF THESE PROPOSITIONS AND CHANGES BEFORE MAKING A FINAL, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, TRAVIS IS UP, UP NEXT IS (NAME).

>> I AM TRAVIS -- AND A RESIDENT OF CARMEL .

I AM A PROFESSOR OF PHARMACOLOGY AND WITH MOST OF THE OTHER WAKING HOURS, I AM A VOLUNTEER, I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF CULTURAL AFFAIRS AT THE GERMAN-AMERICAN CLUB OF INDIANAPOLIS. I SERVED ON THE BOARD OF THE - - CARMEL CHRIS KENDALL MARK AND IN A FULLY VOLUNTEER CAPACITY, I COORDINATE THE MARKETS PROGRAM FORGET AND FOR TOURS.

MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH THIRD-GENERATION GERMAN-AMERICANS. HE GREW UP IN WISCONSIN IN GERMAN FAMILIES WITH DEEPLY CHERISHEDFAMILY TRADITIONS , ONE FOURTH OF ALL MIDWESTERNERS.

WHEN MY WIFE FIRST TOLD ME ABOUT A CHRIS KENDALL MARK COMING TO CARMEL AND FALL 2017, I WOULD SAY I WAS LESS THAN OPTIMISTIC GIVEN THE - - I SAID I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD . OUR FIRST VOLUNTEER EXPERIENCES AS CULTURAL AMBASSADORS WERE INCREDIBLE AND I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING THIS CULTURALLY STRONG HAS HAPPENED HERE.

MY PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THIS IS NOT IMPORTANT TO THIS DISCUSSION. WHAT IS, IS THE IMPACT THAT HAS ON OUR CITY. I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU HAVE GERMAN-AMERICANS, BUT WE ARE NOT EXACTLY FREE WITH COMPLEMENTS. WE ARE CRITICAL, NOT EASILY IMPRESSED, OUR FIRST JOB ONLY ENTER A ROOM IS TO LOOK AROUND AND POINT OUT EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG.

THIS IS OUR DNA. SO, WHEN GERMAN-AMERICANS ALL OVER THE MIDWEST AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY COME TO CARMEL AS REPEAT VISITORS AND THEN NOTHING BUT COMPLEMENT TO GIVE OUR MARKET, IT IS REALLY SAYING SOMETHING.

THESE MOTIVATED VISITORS COME TO OUR CITY SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF WHAT OUR MARKET MEANS TO THEM.

WHEN WE, HIGHLY CRITICAL GRANDCHILDREN MAKE CARMEL AN ANNUAL, NOT TO BE MISSED DESTINATION, YOU BETTER BELIEVE THIS ATTEST TO THE QUALITY AND RELEVANCE OF WHAT MS. ROSENFELD, HER TEAM, AND THE MARKET BOARD IS CREATED.

OUR MARKET IS A RARE EXAMPLE OF A CULTURAL EVENT THAT IS NOT COMPROMISE HIS MISSION, IT IS NOT SOLD IS SOLD AND IT IS WIDELY FINANCIALLY SUCCESSFUL. THE IMPACT OF THIS EVENT IS $2 MILLION FOR OUR CITY . OUR MOTIVATED PILGRIMS WILL NOT MAKE THIS ONE OF THEIR FOUR OR FIVE TOP GERMAN-AMERICAN MACA THIS IS NOTHING BUT A CARTOON OR LIKE ANY OTHER EVENTS.

THEY COME IN SPECIFICALLY AND SPEND MONEY, BECAUSE IT IS A REAL EXPRESSION OF OUR HERITAGE.

IT DOES SOUND LIKE YOU NEED A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY ON ALL SIDES OF THE MARKET BUDGET, AND THE COUNCIL TWO WEEKS AGO AFTER CLARITY AND TRANSPARENCY. WHAT WE GOT WAS CLOUDY, BEHIND THE SCENES TAKEOVERS. WE GET LESS TRANSPARENCY AND LESS CLARITY. THE CITY DID NOT CONSULT WITH THE CEO OR ANY REAL PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW IMPORTANT CULTURAL RIGOR IS TO THISEVENT , THE LOSS IS COULD YOU DO THE MARKETS FUTURE AS PEOPLE OF OUR HERITAGE WILL LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR A CULTURAL FIX AND ELSEWHERE SPEND OUR DOLLARS,

THANK YOU.>> MOVING ON. SANDRA IS UP AND NEXT ON IS

SARAH HOLTZ. >> HELLO, I AM SANDRA RICHARDSON, HELLO MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

I AM HERE TODAY ON MY OWN ACCORD AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO SHARE WITH THE CARMEL - - HOW DEVASTATING THE CONTENT OF THE RECENT ARTICLES ABOUT ITS OWNERSHIP TRANSFER TO THE CITY IS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, I GREW UP IN GERMANY AND MOVED TO CARMEL IN 2013, I FAMILIES TO LIVE IN SHARING THE GERMAN CULTURE WITH WHOEVER WILL LISTEN.

IN 2017, I JOINED THE REPARATIONS AS VOLUNTEER GERMA WOODWORKERS EVEN SHARE TO MY MOTHER-IN-LAW'S HOUSE .

IN 2018, I CREATED CULTURAL ACTIVITIES FOR THE KIDS THAT GREW FROM ANDA HALF TO 4 X 20 23 .

AUTHENTICITY, EDUCATION, REPRESENTING GERMANIC CULTURE WITHIN A REASONABLE BUDGET HAS BEEN A PRIORITY SINCE DAY ONE.

AMONG CHRISTMAS - - SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL.

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IT TOOK YEARS TO PUT THEIR TRUST WHICH MAKES PLANNING THIS EVENT MORE OF A LIFESTYLE AND NOT A GOVERNMENT JOB.

WE FULFILL OUR NONPROFIT MISSION AND IT IS AN HONOR TO SERVE AS THE BEST POSSIBLE STEWARDS OF THE CENTURIES OLD TRADITION FROM MY OWN COUNTRY. I LOVE READING GERMAN ARTISTS TO CARMEL - - GREAT PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE MARKETS. WE WERE INVITED TO AN EXCLUSIVE CHRISTMAS MARKET FORM IN GERMANY ASTHE FIRST AND ONLY NON-EUROPEAN MARKET . WE ARE REALLY THAT GOOD AT WHAT WE DO.THIS PAST SUMMER, WE PROBABLY ADVOCATED THROUGHOUT GERMANY FOR CARMEL'S LEADERSHIP IN PARTNERING WITH US TO HOST HIS AWARD-WINNING MARKET. FOR ME, THIS IS LIKE HAVING ROOTS AND WINGS AT THE SAME TIME AND EVERY YEAR ON OPENING DAY, I STILL GETTEARY EYED . TO FIND OUT IN THE NEWS, I'M YOUR MONTH AND AND A HALF BEFORE OPENING DAY, INSTEAD OF CONTINUING THE PATH OF SUPPORTING THE MARKET FROM THE CITY FINANCIALLY, THE CITY APPLIED TO OWN THE TRADEMARK, THE MARKET SOLD IN RELATIONSHIPS, TO ADD AN ADVISORY BOARD TO OVERSEE OUR OPERATIONS.

IT MAKES ME WONDER HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO FULFILL OUR MISSION AS A 501(C)(3) NONPROFIT. I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE INVESTIGATE HOW THIS IS POSSIBLE.

HOW DOES THE CITY ONLY THIS PARTICULAR EVENT ACTUALLY SAVE TAXPAYER DOLLARS AS PRESENTED TO CITY HALL CURRENTLY? DOES THE OWNERSHIPHAVE THE POTENTIAL TO COST THE CITY MORE MONEY IF THEY PLAN TO MANAGE THE CULTURAL ASPECTS OF THE EVENT ? THE REST WAS ALREADY SAID.

THANK YOU. >> (NAME) IS UP AND THEN (NAME)

IS ON DECK. >> MY NAME IS SARAH HOLTZ, I AM HERE MY OWN ACCORD TO EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT I READ IN THE LATEST CURRENT ARTICLE REGARDING THE CARMEL CHRIS KENDALL MARKETS. ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE, MARKET LEADERSHIP WAS UNAWARE THE CITY APPLIED FOR THE TRADEMARK FOR THE MARKETS NAME AND LOGO WHICH WAS SUPPOSEDLY MONTHS AGO. IS IT TRUE THAT CITY STAFF FILED WITHOUT INFORMING MARKET LEADERSHIP? IF SO, WHEN DID THEY PLAN ON TELLING THE MARKET ? I URGE CITY COUNCIL TO INVESTIGATE FURTHER MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE TIMELINE BY WHICH THIS DECISION WAS MADEBY THE CITY . ESPECIALLY WITH THE MARKET OPENING A LITTLE MORE THAN A MONTH FROM NOW.

AS I HAVE READ, IT WAS THE MAYOR'S GOAL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR TO MAKE THE MARKET SELF-SUSTAINING AND CREATE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE MARKETS.

I SUPPORT THE CARMEL CHRIS KENDALL MARKET THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH THE SUDDEN GOVERNANCE CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE LEADING UP TO THE MARKET.

I ALSO DO NOT SUPPORT THE CHANGES THAT OCCURRED WITH THE MISSION AND VISION AT RISK. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. JOE IS UP AND RON CARTER IS ON

DECK. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, - - WISCONSIN CHEESE FACTORY AND BY EXTENSION, I HAVE BEEN AT THE MARKET AS A VENDOR SINCE THE INCEPTION. BESIDES BEING A LONG-TIME VENDOR, THIS YEAR, I WILL HAVE BOOTHS, THREE MARKETS IN NEW YORK, TWO IN CHICAGO, ONE IN WASHINGTON D.C., ONE IN BOSTON, TWO IN ATLANTA, GRAND RAPIDS AND MILWAUKEE.

I CAN UNEQUIVOCALLY SAY THAT CARMEL OUTDOES THEM ALL.

IT IS DONE THAT IN JUST SEVEN SHORT YEARS, SOME OF HIS MARKET OPEN FOR DECADES. CARMEL IS ON AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF CREATING A MARKET BUILT TO LAST THROUGH MARIA AND HER VISION, STAFF AND PEOPLE, THE VENDORS, THE CITY STREET DEPARTMENT, EVERYBODY'S COMING TOGETHER AND MAKING A MARKET LIKE THIS FOR THE COMMUNITY. I SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE WHEN I SAY THIS IS NOT JUST HAPPEN ON ITS OWN AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS LAST. THE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE - -

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CHICAGO WENT TO A NEIGHBORING SUBURB, THAT FIZZLED OUT AFTER A FEW YEARS. IT'S OKAY AND DOES NOT HAVE THE MAGIC THAT IT ONCE HAD, IT IS A LOSS FOR NAPERVILLE.

THE CITY TOOK THIS ON IS A HORRIBLE TRADITION BUT BY THE INABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO OPERATE TOGETHER AND TO WORK IT OUT, IT'S FIZZLED OUT. I JUST WANT TO URGE CAUTION ON ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.

EVERYBODY TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AND SEE WHAT IS BEST FOR THE MARKET AND THE COMMUNITY AND NOT DO ANYTHING RASH.

I URGE YOU TO TAKE A CLOSE LOOK, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. RON, YOU ARE UP AND MARGARET

HILL, YOU ARE NEXT. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I HAVE NOT BEEN IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS TO SPEAK AND SELECT CANCEL FIVE YEARS AGO. I PREFER TO LEAVE YOU TO YOUR OWN DEVICES BUT SADLY, THIS SEEMS LIKE A NECESSARY TIME TO SPEAK UP . I HAVE THREE BRIEF POINTS THIS EVENING. FIRST, ACCORDING TO THE MAYOR'S SURVEY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR FELLOW CITIZENS WERE AND ARE QUITE PLEASED TO LIVE IN CARMEL.

THEY DO NOT EXPECT NEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MAYOR (NAME) OR A HOST OF NEW STAFF MEMBERS FROM OUTSIDE OF CARMEL THAT HAVE NOW SURROUNDED THE MAYOR TO MAKE RADICAL WHOLESALE CHANGES.

SECOND, AND LIGHT OF WHAT IS TAKING PLACE WITH CHRIS KENDALL MARKET, IF I WAS LITTLE MORE FOR THE - - HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR ANY OF A NUMBER OF THE OTHER JEWELS IN OUR COMMUNITY, I WOULD BE VERY AFRAID RIGHT NOW THAT SOME OF THE BOARD IS SECRETLY PLOTTING TO TAKE OVER THE ORGANIZATION, THIRD FROM BRINGING THE CURRENT ARTICLE THAT THE MAYOR APPOINTED THE NEW BOARD OF CHRIS KENDALL MARKET LAST JANUARY SHORTLY AFTER SHE ASSUMED OFFICE. IT APPEARS THEY MAY HAVE BEEN MEETING AND VIOLATION OF THE INDIANA OPEN-DOOR LAW.

I DO NOT RECALL SEEING A MEETING - - BY THE MAYOR, IT SEEMS TO BE A POSSIBILITY. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD ONE OTHER THING. DURING COVID 19, I KNOW WE ALL WANT TO TRY AND FORGET THAT, BUT DURING COVID 19, THE CARMEL FARMERS MARKET - - STAYED OPEN THE ENTIRE TIME, THE ENTIRE TWO YEARS. OUR VOLUNTEERS WORK TIRELESSLY TO KEEP THE MARKET OPEN TO SERVE.

NOT ONLY ARE VENDORS, BUT THE PEOPLE OF CARMEL IN THE NEARBY AREA. THE ONLY REASON WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT, I THINK, IS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE CITY OF CARMEL. WE DO NOT HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE MAYOR TO SAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IF YOU WOULD BE OPEN OR NOT.

MORE THAN LIKELY HE SAID HE WOULD HAVE TO BE CLOSE.

THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES.

I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT BEING UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE CITY IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST IDEA GOING FORWARD, THANK YOU

VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

MARGARET IS UP, THEN JOSH AND LISA (NAME) ARE ON DECK.> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARGARET HILL.

I AM NOT PRIVY TO ALL THE FINANCIAL DATA OF THE MARKET AND I DO NOT KNOW ALL THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE OF THE MARKET EITHER.

I AM BASING MY OPINIONS ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE MARKET AND WHAT I'VE READ LATELY IN THE PAPER APPEARED MY FAMILY AND I HAVE ATTENDED ALL OF THE MARKETS THAT CARMEL HAS HOSTED. WE ARE IMPRESSED WITH HOW EACH YEAR, THE MARKET IS GROWING BIGGER AND BETTER, INCORPORATING NEW EXPERIENCES. WE HAVE ENJOYED THE ADDITION OF THE PAVILION AND WATCHING THE VISITING ART.

WE HAVE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH MARIA'S CREATIVITY, VISION, DEDICATION, MANAGEMENT SKILL AND INFECTIOUS ENTHUSIASM AND

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SHE IS FOUND ON TV, SOCIAL MEDIA AND PRINT ALWAYS SHARING HER MARKET JOY AND KNOWLEDGE. WHAT I FOUND DISTURBING IN ALL OF THIS IS THE UNDERHANDED, RATHER COVID WAY, IN WHICH THE MAYOR MADE CHANGES IN THE WAY THE MARKET WILL NOT BE OPERATED. WHY THE SUDDEN REPLACEMENT OF BOARD MEMBERS? WHY APPOINT A LOBBYIST AND HIGH-RANKING CITY OFFICIALS OF THE NEW BOARD? IT SEEMS RATHER PARTISAN. WHY WERE THE SPECIAL BOARD MEETING SCHEDULE SO SECRETIVELY? WHY DID THE CITY APPLY FOR THE TRADEMARK WITHOUT THE ORIGINAL BOARDS KNOWLEDGE? WHAT ELSE DO WE EVEN KNOW ABOUT? THIS MAYOR RAN ON A PLATFORM OF TRANSPARENCY. THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN ANYTHING BUT TRANSPARENT. IT CERTAINLY REEKS OF ULTERIOR MOTIVES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND PERHAPS THE MAYOR.

I THOUGHT ALL THIS DISTURBING AND RATHER SUSPICIOUS.

CERTAINLY NOT FEELINGS I WANTED TO HARVARD REGARDING THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT IS ÃAND LISA (NAME) AND

ON DECK IS SUSAN MCDERMOTT.>> MY NAME IS JOSHUA AND I'M HERE WITH MY WIFE LISA. WE RECENTLY MOVED TO CARMEL AND - - MARIA, MICHAEL AND THE LEADERSHIP TEAM AT THE MARKET HAVE MADE IT INTO WHAT IT IS TODAY.

I DO NOT HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD TO OTHERS IN THE ALREADY SAID, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO TAKE THEIR TIME WITH ANY FUTURE CHANGES AND GET SUFFICIENT NOTICE TO THE MARKET AND THAT EVERYONE HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE.

19. >> THANK YOU.

UP IS SUSAN MCDERMOTT AND ON DECK IS DAVID (NAME).

>> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU THIS EVENING. I AM HERE OF MY OWN ACCORD AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT THE TREATMENT OF THE CARMEL CHRIS KENDALL MARKET BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND ACTIONS NOW BEING TAKEN REGARDING THE MARKET.

I FEEL COMPELLED TO SPEAK TO YOU, JUST AS I FELT COMPELLED TO RESIGN AS CHRIS KENDALL MARKET BOARD CHAIR.MY NAME IS SUE MCDERMOTT AND MY - - APPOINTED IN JANUARY.

ALL OF US HAVE SIGNIFICANT, NONPROFIT EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP EXPERIENCE. I BELIEVE WE WERE APPOINTED BECAUSE OF OUR EXPERIENCE AND OUR COMMITMENT TO FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES SUPPORTING BOTH THE CITY OF CARMEL AND THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION TO WHICH YOU WERE APPOINTED.

I WAS HONORED TO SERVE. IT IS LIKELY THAT YOU READ THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE ABRUPT CHANGE IN THE BOARD, SO I WILL NOT REITERATE THAT NOW. I AM HERE TO MAKE THREE POINTS.

THE FIRST IS, THE MAYOR HAS INDICATED THAT A CHANGE IN BOARD LEADERSHIP WAS MADE TO PROVIDE ACCESS FOR FINANCIAL INFORMATION. AS BOARD CHAIR, I RECEIVED ONE REQUESTS FROM THE CITY FOR FINANCIAL INFORMATION JULY 3 AND PROVIDED EVERYTHING REQUESTED WITHINFIVE DAYS .

THERE WERE NO FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS UPON PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION AND A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

TWO, THE CITY'S CLAIM THE FINANCES WITH THE PIVOTAL ISSUE IS A FALSE NARRATIVE. THE REIMBURSEMENT PORTION OF THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE MARKET HAD LARGELY BEEN RESOLVED THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS. THE REMAINING ISSUES THAT HAVE BECOME A STICKING POINT RELATED TO THE CITY'S DEMAND THAT IT BE GRANTED OWNERSHIP OF THE MARKET AND ITS TRADEMARKS.

AS ADVISED BY HIS LEGAL COUNCIL, THE CCI BOARD CANNOT AGREE TO THAT AS IT WOULD PLACE THE NONPROFITSTATUS OF CCI AT RISK . FOLLOWING MY RESIGNATION, THE NEW BOARD APPOINTE BY THE MAYOR, HELD A SPECIAL MEETING WITH THE EXCLUDED THE CEO MARIA ROSENFELD.

AT THIS MEETING, THE NEW BOARD MEMBER SIGNED THE AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAD INSISTED UPON.

THE THIRD POINT IS TRANSPARENCY.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND THE CITY'S HANDLING OF THIS MATTER. BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, THE FORMER BOARD WAS CALLED TO A MEETING UNDER THE GUISE - - OPERATING AGREEMENT. INSTEAD, THE CITY USE THAT MEETING TO ABRUPTLY TERMINATE MY TWO FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS AND THE AGREEMENT WAS NOT DISCUSSE .

SECONDLY, TWO NEW BOARD MEMBERS WERE IMMEDIATELY AND WITHOUT MY

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THE FORMER BOARD MEMBERS AND ITS CEO MARIA ROSENFELD WORKS TIRELESSLY AND THEY DESERVE TO BE TREATED BETTER.

>> NEXT UP IS DAVID (NAME) AND DEBBIE (NAME) IS ON DECK.

>> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL AND MISS MAYOR, MY NAME IS DAVID - - I AM THE OWNER OF AN ELECTRIC BICYCLE STORE HERE IN CARMEL.

AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC BIKES ARE A SEASONAL BUSINESS AND LAST YEAR, I BECAME THE HUD MANAGER WHICH IS A VERY POPULAR COMPONENT OF THE MARKET. I WAS SHOCKED BY READING THE NEWS. I KNOW MOST OF THE PEOPLE FAIRLY WELL. I PARTICIPATED IN THE MARKET BECAUSE IT AUGMENTED AND SUPPLEMENTED MY INCOME TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO RUN A BUSINESS HERE IN CARMEL THAT IS SEASONAL. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT SOME OF THESE CHANGES AND SOME OF THE WAYS IT WAS PRESENTED WILL JEOPARDIZE POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES OF THE MARKET. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU PROBABLY HAVE NOT CONSIDERED. THIS WORK IS VERY DIFFICULT.

IT IS A LOT OF TIME ON YOUR FEET, THERE ARE NOT MANY PEOPLE, AND I WOULD INVITE YOU TO ENJOY ME TO SEE HOW DIFFICULT IT ACTUALLY IS. THIS CAN UNDERMINE A LOT OF THE POTENTIAL VENDORS IN THE FUTURE AND PARTNERS OF THE MARKET.

SO, UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS CAME TO BE IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE

OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. >> THANK YOU.

DEBBIE IS UP AND JORDAN COLE IS ON DECK.

>> MY NAME IS DEBBIE (NAME), I AM HERE FOR CARMEL CLAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY CARMEL CLAY HISTORY MUSEUM.

THIS MUSEUM IS ABOUT TO OPEN AND AFTER MANY YEARS OF WAITING A LOT OF STARTS ANDSTOPS , I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER.

THIS IS TRULY A PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, BUT WHAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE ALSO IS THE WELCOME CENTER OF CARME . I HAVE LIVED IN CARMEL FOR 72 YEARS. WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY AND HOW WE CAN NOT ONLY WELCOME OUR VISITORS, BUT ALSO WELCOME SOME OF OUR NEW COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND BRING THEM INTO THE CARMEL WE. IN CARMEL, ITALWAYS WORKS AND WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER . YOU MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT SYSTEM BUT THAT'S OKAY. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT OUR PROBLEMS AND HOW TO GO FORWARD. WE ARE WILLING TO DO ART WALKS IN HISTORY WALKS TO TAKE PEOPLE AROUND AS WELL AS EXPLAINING HOW ARE CITY INVOLVED. THAT IS A QUESTION A LOT OF TIMES, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? IT HAPPENED BECAUSE WE HAD CITIZEN PARTICIPATION, NOT PEOPLE WHO JUST MOVED HERE AND WANT TO BE A CONSUMER. WE ARE VERY INTENT ON HELPING EDUCATE, I WAS A FORMER TEACHER.

WE ARE NOT ABLE IN SCHOOL TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF OUR DIFFERENCES AS FAR AS RELIGION, BUT THAT IS HOW WE FIND OUT ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS AND HOW WE GET BETTER AS A COMMUNITY AND CONNECT TOGETHER. WE WILL CELEBRATE THE DIFFERENCES, I DO NOT CARE WHAT ANYBODY TELLS YOU.

YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT CARMEL IS DIVERSE NOW.

IT IS TIME TO WELCOME THEM AT ALL OF OUR PEOPLE AND GET TOGETHER. HE WILL DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS INTERESTING AND CAPTIVATING AND WE WILL INCLUDE THE CONNECTIONS OF OUR POPULATION. WE HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE THAT, WE FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD BE WELCOMED, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BUY OUR TICKETS.AS A TAXPAYER, I SUPPORT THE CLOTHES LOOK AT OUR EXPENSES, AND AS A MEMBER OF THE CARMEL CLAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A HANDOUT, BUT I'M ASKING FOR A HAND UP AS WE BEGIN THIS NEW VENTURE, ONE THAT WE HOPE WILL BE GOOD FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. >> JORDAN IS UP AND (NAME) IS

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>> I AM A RESIDENT OF CARMEL. I CAME UP YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT THE UPCOMING VOTE ON THE BOND FOR ALL THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS FOR SAFETY, AND PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS AND ROUNDABOUTS AND POTENTIALLY NEW TRAILS. I MOVED HERE TO TRY AND BY CAN WALK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I CHOSE CARMEL BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THE BEST PLACES IN THE COUNTRY FOR THAT.

SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT ALLOWS ME TO LET MY WATER WALK AND BIKE WITHOUT HERSELF - - HIT BY A CAR.

THE TRAIL WAS A HUGE PART OF THAT AND ALL OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS HELPS SLOW DOWN CARS.

PROPOSING MORE OFFSTREET TRAILS WILL ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO GO TO THE MARKET. WHEN IT WAS ON, SHE WANTED TO GO DOWN THERE AND CHECK IT OUT, LET HER GO BY YOURSELF BECAUSE I FELT SAFE LETTER DOING THAT. THE MORE OFFSTREET TRAILS LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN BUILD THAT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO BUILD THAN BIKING AND WALKING CITIZENS BUT WE WILL ENJOY - - ALL OF THE AMENITIES ARE THE CENTER OF TOWN.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

(NAME)? >> GOOD EVENING.

HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS (NAME).

I'M A PROUD RESIDENT OF CARMEL, INDIANA FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS.

I AM A LOCAL LEAD FOR - - LOVE AND CARE, A GLOBAL OUTREACH ORGANIZATION. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I AM HERE TO INTRODUCE THIS YEAR'S CAMPAIGN, A COMMUNITY SERVICE INITIATIVE INSPIRED BY TRADITIONS. LAST YEAR, - - WITNESSED AN INCREDIBLE IMPACT IN COLLECTIVE EFFORTS.BY PARTNERING WITH 19 ORGANIZATIONS IN OVER 100 VOLUNTEERS, WE WERE ABLE TO CONNECT COLLECTS CLOSE TO 9000 POUNDS OF FOOD AND PROVIDE MORE THAN - - FAMILIES IN NEEDS. OUR 2024 CAMPAIGN FROM SEPTEMBER 27 TO NOVEMBER 10 WILL FOCUS ON SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS LIKE - - NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB OF INDIANAPOLIS, FUEL FIRST SCHOOL IN THE WELCOME BASKET. WE WILL BE CONNECTING PEANUT BUTTER JELLY, INSTANT OATMEAL GRANOLA BARS, CEREAL AND OTHER FOOD ITEMS TO HELP ALLEVIATE FOOD INSECURITY, PARTICULARLY IN FOOD DESERT AREAS. WE BELIEVE THAT TRUE HAPPINESS COMES FROM SERVING OTHERS. - - IS A TIME FOR REFLECTION, GIVING AND COMING TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY.

BY PARTICIPATING IN THIS CAMPAIGN, WE CAN SPREAD LIKE IN THE LIVES OF THOSE LESS FORTUNATE.

WE INVITE THE CITY OF CARMEL AND ITS CITIZENS TO JOIN US IN THIS MISSION, WHETHER BY DONATING FOOD, VOLUNTEERING OR CONTRIBUTING FINANCIALLY, EVERY ACT OF KINDNESS HELP TO UPDATE FAMILIES IN NEED. YOU CAN FIND DROP-OFF LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND CAMPAIGNS HAVE MADE IT EASY TO PARTICIPATE ON LAND DONATIONS. AS WE COME TOGETHER IN THE SPIRIT OF THE VALLEY, LET US REMEMBER BY SPREADING - - PASSIONATE COMMUNITIES CAN ON BEHALF OF THE TEAM, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN MAKING THIS CAMPAIGN SUCCESS AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE US - - I WILL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE CITY OF CARMEL FOR HOSTING THE DIWALI PRESENTATION ON OCTOBER 26. I HOPE YOU CAN BRING YOUR FAMILIES AND ENJOY THE DIWALI CELEBRATIONS WITH US.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

THAT DOES IT FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I WILL LIKE TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S SINCERITY AND PROFESSIONALISM. A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WEREMADE , IT IS REALLY APPRECIATED.

I WELCOME EVERYBODY TUESDAY. WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA TONIGHT

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RIGHT NOW, CHRIS KENDALL MARKET IS NOT ON THE AGENDA AT ALL.

WE WILL BE DISCUSSING A PIECE POTENTIALLY THE BUDGET, BUT THAT WON'T BE UNTIL 13 B AND MOST OF THE COMMENTS WILL BE GOING AND TAKING PLACE IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WHEN WE GO INTO THE DETAILS ABOUT THE BUDGET.

FOR TONIGHT, IT IS MORE OF A PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT THE BUDGET IS ABOUT. AGAIN, I WELCOME EVERYONE TO STAY BUT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT FOR THE

[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]

COUNCIL, ANY COMMENTS OR OBSERVATIONS?

OKAY, COUNSELOR WORRELL. >> I WILL GO.

I JUST WANTED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE BOND REVIEW.AFTER THAT WAS FABULOUS. FOR OVER A DECADE, I HAVE BEEN WORKING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU, THE TAXPAYER, HOW CARMEL USES DEBT TO BUILD A BEAUTIFUL, THRIVING COMMUNITY.

WHEN IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE DO UPON REVIEW BY THE COUNCIL, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE I WANTED CITIZENS TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY, FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE AND DECISIONS YET TO BE MADE IN THE FUTURE.SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO IT, WE DID GET THE REPORT BACK AND BE RELIED ON AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR, PAY THEM $20,000 AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE WAS NO BAD NEWS.

NOWHERE IN THAT REPORT IT IS HE THAT RESIDENTS WEREAT RISK .

ALSO, NOWHERE WAS ANYTHING INSINUATED THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING ON TOUR OR ILLEGAL, OR THAT THERE IS ANY TICKING TIME BOMBS COMING OUT WHICH IS WHAT I ALWAYS HEAR FROM A SECTION OF OUR RESIDENT THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHINGTHAT WILL HURT OUR CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE . I AM THANKFUL TO THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS COUNCIL FOR DOING THAT I HOPE EVERYONE FEELS COMFORTABLE, JUST WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO IT.

>> THANK YOU, WELL SAID. MAYOR?

COMMENTS OR OBSERVATIONS? >> HI EVERYBODY, THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO SPOKE TONIGHT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND I AGREE WITH YOU, YOU HAVE AN INCREDIBLY SPECIAL MARKET. IT IS THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY AND THERE IS NEVER AN INTENTION TO DO ANYTHING TO DERAIL THAT ALL. THAT THING WE HAVE IN THE PAST FEW DAYS WILL DO THAT. WITH THE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MISINFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN SPREAD VIA TEXT AND SOCIAL MEDIA, I UNDERSTAND WHY SOME SUPPORTERS MIGHT BE CONCERNED.

ALLOW ME TO BRING THE TEMPERATURE DOWN AND SET THE TEMP RECORD STRAIGHT. THE MARKET WAS NOT TAKEN OVER, LET ME REPEAT THAT. THE MARKET WAS NOT TAKEN OVER A PERIOD YOU CANNOT TAKE OVER AN EVENT YOU ALREADY OWN AND WHEN WE HAVE KNOWN SINCE 2017. SINCE ITS INCEPTION, THE MARKET HAS EXISTED AND I QUOTE " - - OPERATED AND CONTROLLED BY THE CITY EXISTING WITHOUT - - ." AT THE BEGINNING, THE MARKET LEADER IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE BOARD.

THE BOARD IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE TAXPAYER. THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A MORE INDEPENDENT MARKET SOMEDAY, UNTIL BE A CLARITY ON THE FINANCIAL DECISION TO REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR SOME OF THE ESTIMATED $1.5 MILLION IN ANNUAL EXPENSES, THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. THAT WAS DISCUSSED REPEATEDLY.

ALTHOUGH THE GOAL IS TO HAVE, SPEAKING OF FINANCIALS AS THE MAYOR, I HAVE YET TO RECEIVE - -. DURING THE LAST FIVE MONTHS AND WILL BE REPEATEDLY REQUESTED COPYING TO FINANCIAL FROMTHE MARKET LEADER , THE ATTORNEY AND THE BOARD CHAIR.

WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.

THIS IS PROBLEMATIC. THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS SAY THE MARKET IS TO SUBMIT TO AN AUDIT REVIEW BY ANY CAN ACCOUNTABLE PERMIT THE CITY'S REQUEST AND SHALL MAKE ALL BOOKS, ACCOUNTING RECORDS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE AT ALL REASONABLE TIMES. LASTLY, A NEW AGREEMENT WAS NECESSARY TO PROTECT TAXPAYERS. OUR INITIAL AGREEMENT WAS NOT ADEQUATE - - TINY DREAM THAT IS GROWN SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL.

NOW, THIS IS A BEHEMOTH OF A MARKET AND WE HAVE LOTS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS AT RISK HERE. THE CITY OWNER SHOULD CONTINUE - - OWNED BY THE CITY AND THE COMPETITIVE INFORMATION CANNOT BE USED TO START A COMPETING MARKET OUTSIDE OF CARMEL.

YET TO OUR SURPRISE AND BACK WITH A LIMITED LIST OF CITIES THEY CANNOT BE. ANDERSON, CARMEL AND INDIANAPOLIS METRO AREA. THEREBY ALLOWING MARKET

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THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT CHANGE IS HARD.

I'M ASKING MARKET LEADERSHIP - - DIFFERENT DAY AND TIME MOVING FORWARD. HOWEVER, I PROMISE CARMEL RESIDENT THAT I WILL LEAD WITH ACCOUNTABILITY AND STEWARDSHIP.

I WAS ELECTED TO MAKE GOOD, SOMETIMES HARD AND SOMETIMES HEARTBREAKING DECISION ON BEHALF OF OUR COMMUNITY DECISIONS THAT PROTECT TAXPAYERS HAVE BEEN IN THE FOREFRONT OF MY MIND AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE UNTIL THEY LEAVE OFFICE. OUR MARKET CEO WHOSE JOB IS NEVER BEEN A RISK IS RESPONSIBLE TO VENDORS, EMPLOYEES AND PATRONS TO PROVIDE AN OUTSTANDING MARKET EXPERIENCE AND I EXPECT HER TO DO JUST THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. HAD SHE NOT SAID THAT A MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THE CONFUSION WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT. THAT IS WHY I AM SENDING YOU BEFORE YOU MAKING SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THE ISSUES MOVING FORWARD. THE CITY HAS NO DESIRE TO RUN THIS MARKET. THERE IS A CAPABLE CEO, FANTASTIC EMPLOYEES, WONDERFUL VENDORS AND VOLUNTEERS.

THEY ARE STILL, AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN, PULLING POWER TO CREATE INCREDIBLE MARKETS. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

TOGETHER, IT IS MY EXPECTATION THAT EVERY MARKET EXPERIENCE WILL BE PROVIDED ONCE AGAIN AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO A GREAT HOLIDAY SEASON. NOW, LET'S MOVE ON TO TOPICS ON THE AGENDA. OUT OF THINK ACCOUNTS FOR MOVING THE BUDGET - - WISE AND SPECIFIC COMMENTS REGARDING BUDGET ITEMS. I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE FARM LISTING AND THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. THAT IS GREAT COLLABORATION AND I APPRECIATE YOU. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT BUDGETING PROBLEM FROM THE PAST AND CREATE STRONGER PATH MOVING FORWARD.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT POLICE AND FIRE, SUPPORT PROACTIVE PUBLIC SAFET , FIX A LACK OF CAPITAL THAT WAS NEVER PUT BACK FOR PARTS - - ONTO THE LONG AGENDA THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR FOR THE COMMENTS.

I WISH I WOULD'VE KNOWN, I WOULD HAVE DELAYED EVERYBODY.

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

FOR CLAIMS, THE AMOUNT OF $6,147,361.29 AND $24,139.89 FOR THE PURCHASE CARD. WE HAVE A MOTION?

>> WILL MOVE. >> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE, AND WE HAVE ELECTRONIC VOTING, SO THANK YOU JACOB OR WHOEVER GOT IT GOING CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED 8-0.

[10.a. Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee]

MOVING ON TO ITEM 10, COMMITTEE REPORTS, FINANCE, UTILITIES AND RULES COMMITTEE. COUNSELOR WORRELL?

>> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. FINANCE METHOD SEPTEMBER 30 CANNOT BE THE FULL COMMITTEE PRESENT AND TOOK THE CONSIDERATION ORDINANCE.

[10.b. Land Use and Special Studies Committee]

>> THANK YOU. LAND-USE, SPECIAL STUDY

COMMITTEES? >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT GREEN.

LAND-USE HAD A SPECIAL MEETING THIS PAST THURSDAY.THIS WAS TO DISCUSS WHAT CAME OUT OF THEIR REVIEW AND FINANCE.

WE VOTED ON THE UNANIMOUS POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO SEND BACK TO CANCEL AN IMMERSION OF THE BOND ORDINANCE GOING TO

[11.a. Carmel Redevelopment Commission (Monthly)]

>> MOVING ON TO ITEM 11, CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION?

HENRY? >> GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL.

I WILL RUN THROUGH REDEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES FOR THE NEXT MONTH. THE - - CONTINUES TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY CENTER, CITY CENTER OWNED A GREAT HONOR OVER LAST WEEK.

IT ON THE 2024 MONUMENTAL AWARD.

IT WAS ONE OF THE FINALISTS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION

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THESE ARE SOME OF THE SCENES SHOWN TO CENTRAL INDIANA PEOPLE WHO WERE AT THE AWARD CEREMONY LAST WEEK.

TO TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OVER THE LAST MONTH, BEFORE SILICON THOSE OF THE CORNER ARE FOR SALE NOW.

MAGNOLIA CONTINUES, IT IS NOW FRAMING ITS SECOND AND THIRD BUILDING WHICH IS REALLY COOL TO THAT HAPPEN.

- - HAS STARTED MAKING SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT FIRST FLOOR RETAIL. EXPECT MORE ABOUT TO COME LATER. THE SIGNATURE IS LEASING UP, DOWN AT CIVIC SQUARE, DESIGN CONTINUES ON THE SQUARE CONDOS.

CONSTRUCTION SHOULD START EARLY NEXT YEAR.

LOTS OF PROGRESS BEING MADE ON THE NEW REPUBLIC HEADQUARTERS AT HAMPTON CROSSING. IT IS LOOKING BETTER AND BETTE . THAT WILL BE A SHINY BEGIN THROUGH THE CITY OF CARMEL, REALLY EXCITING STUFF.

- - TWO CONTINUES ITS DEVELOPMENT, THAT PROJECT SOLD AS BONDS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND IT IS NICE TO SEE THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, ON THE BUILDING.

LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FIRST FLOOR RETAIL GOING INTHERE AS WELL . IT IS NEXT TO THE BRICK FAC'ADE TAKING PLACE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROJECT ALSO GOING OUT.

IT CONTINUES TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION - - PROGRESS BEING MADE AT THE AT&T REDEVELOPMENT SITE BUILDING OUT THE EXPANDED HEADQUARTERS. IT IS NOT TO SEE THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT CONTINUES IN OUR CITY .

WE HAD A QUICK - - NOT TOO LONG AGO, NOW WE HAVE A VISUAL TO MATCH. THE PROJECT LED BY OUR TOWNSHIP WITH SOME CITY AND ASSISTANCE. WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWE ANY REDEVELOPMENT QUESTIONS SO WE CAN DO THE NEXT THREE HOURS

OF THIS MEETING. >> COUNSELOR SNYDER?

>> I HAVE NEVER SEEN A MEETING WHERE THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY DISAPPOINTED PEOPLE AND IT WAS NOT TOWARDS YOU.

[LAUGHTER]. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU, ONE, THE REPUBLIC DEVELOPMENT, THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, IF YOU HAD ASKED IF IT WAS OKAY TO TAKE SOMETHING OUT OR DELAY SOMETHING. COMING BACK, NOT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IS YOUR TEST REVENUE BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT

NOT GOING IN TOO. >> THIS PROJECT IS THAT 100% TO THE DEVELOPER SO A REDUCTION DOES NOT MAKE A CHANGE TO US.

ULTIMATELY, I SENT THIS TO YOU EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND THE ORIGINAL DEAL THEY WERE GOING TO WRAP THE LARGEGARAGE STRUCTURE WITH RESIDENTIAL . I THINK THEY ARE EVALUATING THAT AND THE WILL HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO WRAP IT WITH RESIDENTIAL OR SKIN IT WITH A BEAUTIFUL FAC'ADE. BECAUSE ALL OF THE CRACKING INCENTIVE, IT WAS A 100% TIF DEAL.

>> YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE ON TENANTS?

>> I BELIEVE THERE IS A SALON AND NAIL PLACE, WE'RE TALKING TWO RESTAURANTS . IF I COULD, I WANT TO SEND

[11.d. Redevelopment Authority (Bi-annual – April, October)]

. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR

HENRY? >> DO YOU HAVE ANY THING WITH

THE REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY? >> THE REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MAN 17 DECEMBER, THAT WAS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE YEAR.

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[11.b. Carmel Historic Preservation Commission (Quarterly – January, April, July, October)]

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR HENRY ON THAT? THANKS, HENRY. THE NEXT ITEM UP IS THE CARMEL HISTORICAL PROVISION QUARTERLY REPORT.

>> GOOD EVENINGCOUNSELOR , NICE TOSEE YOU .

I AM HERE TO REPORT ON BEHALF OF THE CARMEL HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF WHICH I AM THE ADMINISTRATOR.

I AM ALSO VICE PRESIDENT OF INDIANA LANDMARKS, THE STATEWIDE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION.

THE COMMISSION DID MEET THREE TIMES SINCE I LAST STOOD BEFORE YOU IN JULY, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER.

WE HAVE SPOKEN BEFORE ABOUT THE FAC'ADE GRANT PROGRAM THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HAS FOR CITIZENS WHOSE HOMES AND BUILDINGS ARE ON THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE SURVEY. WE DID HAVE APPLICANT TO THAT AND THIS GO AROUND WHICH THE COMMISSION HAD APPROVED FUNDIN FOR . WE AWARDED FOUR APPLICATIONS AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING TOTALING 21,400 3651 THAT IS FOR WORK TO VARIOUS PROPERTIES THAT THE APPLICANT'S OWN.

THE ORGANIZATION THAT I WORK FOR, INDIANA LANDMARKS DID SUCCEED LAST MONTH AND CLOSING ON THE SALE OF THE WILKINSON HOUSE WHICH IS THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE WITH IN THE COURTYARDS OF THE CARMEL DEVELOPMENT AT KEYSTONE SMOKE YOU WILL, FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS FOR A WHILE. THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS WERE PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE 1850 STRUCTURE AS A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OVERALL.

ULTIMATELY, THE THIRD DEVELOPER THE ONE THAT DIDBUILD UP COURTYARDS OF CARMEL AND DONUT THE STRUCTURE TO INDIANA LANDMARKS , WE HAVE NOW SOLD IT TO A COUPLE THAT ARE LIVING ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST AND ARE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON RESTORATION OF THAT STRUCTURE. THAT IS A POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR THE PROJECT. AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL PUT IN PLACE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO A DEMOLITION DELAY ORDINANCE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY MAKES AN APPLICATION FOR DEMOLITION IN THE CITY OF CARMEL ARCHITECTURE SURVEY THERE IS A 60 DAY WAIT PERIOD. UNDER THAT, I REQUEST FOR A DEMOLITION OF A PROPERTY AT 331 W. MAIN STREET WAS REVIEWED AND PUT UNDER A 60 DAY HOLD FOR DEMOLITION.

WE ARE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW, I AM LOOKING AT ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FORWARD THAT STRUCTURE MIGHT BE RELOCATED, OR OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO DEMOLITION IF WE DON'T FIND THAT. THEN, THE BUILDING WILL LIKELY BE DEMOLISHED AS A RESULT OF A NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

WE ALSO, UNDER THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE PLACED A PROPERTY UNDER INTERIM PROTECTION FOR SIX MONTHS WITH THE CONSENT OF THE OWNER WHICH IS MARTIN MARIETTA, THIS IS THE PRE-CIVIL WAR ERA WHITE HOUSE LOCATED AT 10750 HAZEL DELL PARKWAY.WE ARE CURRENTLY IN CONVERSATIONS WITH, AND THAT CASE IS WELCOME AND ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO RELOCATE THE STRUCTURE AND AS INDIVIDUALS WORK ON OUT AND MET WITH ON A SITE VISIT IS VERY CREDIBLEFINANCIALLY . THIS IS GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE ANOTHER POSITIVE OUTCOME IF ALL THE DETAILS AROUND IT WORKED OUT. I ALSO MENTIONED THAT A PREVIOUS MEETING OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION CREATED A GRANT PROGRAM AS AN 80-20 MATTER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE CITY INTERESTED IN PUTTING THEIR PROPERTIES ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.IT PROBABLY AND TOTAL IMPACT 50 PROPERTY OWNERS AND WE DID HAVE AN APPLICATION FROM A PHILIP AND VIRGINIA RAMEY THAT LIVE AT 1201 E. 156 STREET.THEY HAVE AN 1840 STORY PROPERTY AND THEY ARE RESTORING IT AND APPLIED FOR FAC'ADEGRANT PROGRAMS PREVIOUSL . THEY HAVE SUCCESSFULLY BEEN

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THAT ORIGINALLY WENT TO THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION AS A PART OF OUR CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENTREQUIREMENTS .

FINALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS W THROUGH TRAINING FOR THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION, WE DO A TRAINING SESSION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE HISTORY OF POST-WORLD WAR II ARCHITECTURE IN CARMEL. THE ECONOMIC BOOM PERIOD AND THE RESULTING ENVIRONMENT, THEIR MEETING IN AUGUST.

WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR SNYDER?

>> THE REPUBLIC OWNS TWO PROPERTIES THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP ON THE MARKET. IT IS SUCH A SHORT MOVE, MAYBE NOT PERMANENTLY, IT IS JUST A THOUGHT.

[12.a. Eighteenth Reading of Ordinance D-2696-23; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Adding Chapter 8, Article 4, Section 8-44 to the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Worrell and Aasen. Returning from the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee.]

THAT IS ALL I HAVE, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12, ALL BUSINESS.

IN ORDER TO THE.

COUNSELORS WORRELL AND AASEN, THIS RETURNED FROM THE FINANCE UTILITY AND RULES COMMITTEE. COUNSELOR WORRELL?

>> MR. PRESIDENT, I AM DELIGHTED TO TELL YOU THAT I BELIEVE WE HAVE ENDED UP AT A PLACE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON ROUNDABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, AND IT WILL NOT BE THIS ORDINANCE.

THE VALUE OF TAKING OUR TIME AND ENGAGING THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THANKS TO COUNSEL AND HIS INSISTENCE ON MORE FACTS AND DATA, I AM VERY HAPPY WITH WHERE WE HAVE ENDED UP.

BUT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT SPEED IS AN ISSUE AT OUR PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND ROUNDABOUTS, BUT THERE IS A WAY I HAD NOT ANTICIPATED IN HELPING TO ALLEVIATE THAT.

THAT IS MORE USE OF RAISED CROSSWALKS AND RAPID FLASHING BEACONS WHEN NECESSARY. SO, NOT THE REMEDY I HAD IN MIND, BUT I DO THINK FOR ANYONE WATCHING THAT GOVERNMENT GOT TO THE RIGHT DECISION BY GOOD DISCUSSION, GOOD INTERACTION, BACK AND FORTH. I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THIS, THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR'S TEAM. THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND EVERYONE THAT WAS OUT THERE IN THE RAIN PUTTING DOWN TUBES, ETC. I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND TO CANCEL THAT YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS ORDINANCE. I'M GOING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IS RETURNING THIS ORDINANCE D 2696-23 TO THE FULL COUNCIL, SAID THIS, PROUD THAT IT IS A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION.

>> ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR SNYDER?

>> COUNSELOR WORRELL, THIS IS MR. JOURNEY FOR YOU.

I REMEMBER YOU BRINGING THIS UP ON THE GROUND MARCH 2023.

I WAS AN ABSOLUTE HECK NO ON ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH SPEED LIMITS. A YEAR LATER, YOU ALMOST HAD ME CONVINCED. THEN, WE GET THIS DATA.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO YOU, AFTER COMMITTEE THAT IT WAS NEVER THIS KIND OF HARDHEADED, IT IS GOING TO BE DISSUADED. YOU GRADUALLY STEPPED BACK, READ ALL THE FACTS, DATA, STUDIES, EVERYTHING.

TO YOUR POINT, YOU DO WHAT GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO DO.

THANK YOU AND THE COMMITTEE FOR THAT.>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, I WILL LOOK FOR A

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ORDINANCE D 26 96-23. >> SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO REPEAT, ALL THE HARD WORK AND THE DUE DILIGENC , WHEN EVERYONE IS THOUGHTFUL AND TAKE THE TIME AND MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON DATA, WE GET

TO WHERE WE GET. >> IN CASE SOMEONE IS WONDERING, WE HAVE OTHER ROUNDABOUT SAFETY PEDESTRIAN FEATURES THAT WILL BE IN THE BOND.

WE ARE STILL GOING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

GO AHEAD AND VOTE. >> I'M SORRY.

[LAUGHTER] >> IS OKAY, WE HAVE AN ERROR.

IT IS 8-0, NEGATIVE VOTE. THAT ORDINANCE IS VOTED DOWN.

THANK YOU. MOVING ONTO THE NEXT ITEM.

[12.b. Third Reading of Ordinance D-2726-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving and Adopting a Third Amendment to Interlocal Agreement; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Snyder and Taylor. Remains in the Land Use and Special Studies Committee.]

[13.a. First Reading of Ordinance D-2731-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing and Approving an Additional Appropriation of Funds from the General Fund #101 to the 2024 Carmel Fire Department Budget; Sponsor: Councilor Worrell.]

MOVING ON TO ITEM 13 PUBLIC HEARINGS, AS EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN PAYING ATTENTION, 12 C WAS MOVED TO 13 C AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING. WITH THE AMENDED AGENDA MOVING ON TO ITEM 13, 13 A, FIRST READING OF V-2731-24, IN ORDER TO THE COMMON COUNCIL CARMEL, INDIANA AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING AN ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND NUMBER 101 THE 2024 CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET. SPONSOR IS COUNSELOR WORRELL

>> MOVED INTRODUCE? >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR WORRELL, CAN YOU PLEASE READ

THE SYNOPSIS? >> THIS ORDINANCE APPROPRIATES FUNDS TO THE CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENTS INTO THE FUND 2024 BUDGET - - CENTRAL INDIANA RECRUIT ACADEMY.

THIS IS, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE WANTED TO SPEAK.

>> DO WEHAVE SOMEONE FROM LEGAL OR FIRE DEPARTMENT ?

>> THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, MR. PRESIDENT.

WE ARE TAKING $50,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND AS IT SAYS, MONEY THAT CAME IN THE YEAR THAT ISSUE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE $44,080 INTO THE CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT FUND NUMBER 1120.

THAT IS FULL-TIME. WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE $4437.30 INTO INSTRUCTIONAL FEES INTERNAL AND $1572.70 INTO TRAINING FEES INTERNAL. IF NOBODY HAS AN OBJECTION, I WILL BE SEEKING TO SUSPEND THE RULES.

>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL OPEN ANOTHER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

LET ME MAKE SURE I GET THE TIME RIGHT, 7:35.

IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, THEY CAN COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE UPTHERE , THE PODIUM.WITHOUT SEEING ANY MOVEMENT, I WILL END THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:36.

>> MOVED TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT?

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT, IT IS VOTED 8-0, APPROVAL OF SUSPENSION OF THE RULES.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

[13.b. First Reading of Ordinance D-2732-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of Carmel, Indiana, Establishing the Appropriations for the 2025 Budget; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen.]

>> MOVED INTRODUCE. >> COUNSELOR AASEN COMMITTEE

WANT TO BE THE SYNOPSIS? >> ESTABLISHES 2025

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>> WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO ZAC .

>> MY NAME IS ZACH JOHNSON I AM THAT - - I WILL TALK SLOWLY SO PEOPLE ARE WALKING FROM HOME THEY CAN PULL UP THIS QR CODE.

TODAY I WANT TO DO A BRIEF RECAP.

I KNOW MY PRESENTATION ON SEPTEMBER 25 PROBABLY WENT ALMOST 2 HOURS, AND I WILL NOT TAKE THE TIME TONIGHT, YOU ARE WELCOME. HAVE ABOUT 10 SLIDES, I WILL NOT GO THROUGH ALL THOSE DETAILS BUT I WANT TO HAVE ON A FEW THINGS AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR BUDGET PRIORITIES. I WILL RESPOND BACK TO SOMEOF THE FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS TWO WEEKS AGO AND SOME FEEDBACK I RECEIVED SINCE THEN.

I WILL GIVE A RECAP OF THE BUDGET AND ALSO SOME CLOSING REMARKS. AGAIN, OUR GOAL IN THIS BUDGET WAS REALLY TO TAKE CARE OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE MADE HERE, ALL NEW DOLLARS IN HIS BUDGET WENT TOWARDS ON THE GENERAL FUND WENT TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY. THE NEW POLICE AND FIRE MATRIX, PREVIOUSLY THOSE POSITIONS HAVE BEEN TIED TO OUR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE PAY SCHEDULE. WE CARVE THOSE OUT AND CREATED A BRAND-NEW MATRIX FOR THEM. THE COST OF THOSE CHANGES ARE ROUGHLY $5 MILLION FOR THIS NEW FISCAL YEAR.

REALLY, THIS ADDRESSES SEVERAL ISSUES.

ONE IS THE COMPETITIVENESS WITH OTHER SWORN ORGANIZATIONS, BUT AN ISSUE THAT WE REALLY HAD WAS THIS COMPANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES, OUR SWORN EMPLOYEES AROUND THE 6 TO 10 YEAR MARK AND THEN AT THE 10 YEAR MARK, THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE IF YOU ARE AT 10 YEARS OFFICER, FIREFIGHTER COMPARED TO 25 YEAR EMPLOYEE.

THE CHANGE WAS REALLY JUST A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS WHEN IT CAME TO THE LONGEVITY. THIS GIVES A MUCH LARGER, MUCH LONGER MATRIX, MORE MEANINGFUL INCREASES AS YOU GO FROM ONE RANK TO THE NEXT. OTHER THINGS THAT WE TOOK CARE OF HERE, IN TERMS OF THE PENSION BASE WHICH IS A VERY BIG FACTOR WHEN IT COMES TO THE RECRUITMENT AND ESPECIALLY THE RETENTION OF OUR SWORN OFFICERS IS WHAT THAT RETIREMENT BASE IS BASED ON. ESSENTIALLY NOW, WE ARE GOING FROM TODAY, THE PENSION BASE IS $90,000, THAT IS THE PAY OF A MASTER POLICE OFFICER OR MASTER FIREFIGHTER, WITH 25 YEARS OF LONGEVITY. WITH THIS CHANGE FOR NEXT YEAR, IT WILL GO UP TO $111,000, A VERY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.

UNLIKE PAST YEARS, WE ARE FULLY FUNDING THE ACTUAL OVERTIME COST OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON . HE WILL EVENTUALLY NEED TO HIRE MORE, WE ARE NOT AT A POINT IN TIME WHERE WE CAN FLIP THAT SWITCH AND MOVE THE NEEDLE FOR NEXT YEAR.

I AM CONFIDENT AS WE ARE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION NEXT YEAR IN 2026, WE CAN MAKE PROGRESS IN GETTING THIS NUMBER DOWN.

THROUGH CAPITAL LEASES, WE ARE PURCHASING 41 NEW VEHICLES AT A COST OF $2.3 MILLION. AND THROUGH REFINANCING OF OUR CAPITAL LEASES, WE ARE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT - - HALF A MILLION THERE. WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE ARE MULTIPLE - - RENTAL BONDS.

THE INVENTION OF THE WHEEL TAX AND SURTAX WE WILL TALK ABOUT LATER, THAT IS 3.6 MILLION. WITH OTHER FUNDING AVAILABLE, WE ARE NOW INDICATING FOR 9 MILLION PER YEAR FOR PAVING.

ALSO MAKING THE POINT THAT WE NOW GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN HAVE A REAL, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT HOW WE TAKE CARE OF OUR

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BETTER LIFE INSURANCE COVERAGE, THIS BUDGET FUNDS 3% - -4 CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES AND ON THE CIVILIAN AND THE SWORN SIDE OF THINGS, WE ARE INVESTING $2 MILLION TO HOLD THE HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUM SLOT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND CLARIFY THAT IT IS ON THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN, THERE ARE - - CONTEMPLATED ON THE TRADITIONAL PLAN. ALSO NEXT YEAR, WE WILL BE OFFERING SOME CHANGES IN TERMS OF OFFERING THE ANTHEM HELP SINK NETWORK, THAT IS A MORE NARROW NETWORK.

IT DOES INCLUDE SEVERAL PROVIDERS IN THIS AREA BUT OUR EMPLOYEES THAT YOU THAT WILL SEE A 20% REDUCTION IN THEIR DEDUCTIBLES. WE WILL ALSO BE OFFERING A SECOND HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN, A VERY LOW PREMIUMS IN EXCHANGE FOR HIGHER DEDUCTIBLES. THE IDEA FOR OUR YOUNG POPULATION AND YOUNG EMPLOYEES THAT REALLY WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CATASTROPHIC COVERAGE BUT NOT PAY MUCH FOR IT, THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE. AS I MENTIONED IN THE MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE ARE HEADING TO THE SECOND PHASE OF OUR SALARY STUDY WHERE AT THIS POINT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS LOOKING AT OUR EXISTING HIERARCHY OF POSITIONS.

ANECDOTALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE WITH THE CLASSIFICATION OF MANAGER IN THE TITLE, WE HAVE THOSE CURRENTLY SPREAD OUT OVER FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PAY GRADES.

THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO START LOOKING AT, WHAT SHOULD THE HIERARCHY BE? WHICH IS THE APPROPRIATE PAY BE FOR A MANAGER VERSUS SUPERVISOR VERSUS A FOREMAN? AND ALSO WORKING TO IDENTIFY WHICH EMPLOYEES ARE TO BEIN THE MOST APPROPRIATE . I HAVE LEFT SOME MONEY IN THE BUDGET IN CASE WE NEED TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR SOME INCREASES AS WE IDENTIFY EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN TITLED SUPERVISOR BUT REALLY, YOU OUGHT TO BE A MANAGER.

I ASSUME THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE.

I CANNOT TELL YOU WITH MUCH CONFERENCE WITH IN MY COST, BUT WE HAVE UNDER SPENT THE REVENUE FOR NEXT YEAR BY AT LEAST $1 MILLIONAND I AM CONFIDENT HE WOULD NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR THA . MY HOPE IS THAT WE WRAP THIS UP IN TIME FOR COUNCIL TO COME BACK BY JULY ONE OF NEXT YEAR FOR ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION TO RIGHT SIZE DEPARTMENTS AS NECESSARY. THIS SLIDE IS AGAIN REMINDING YOU THE MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH, THERE ARE TWO POTS OF MONEY WE GET FROM THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT DOLLARS TO THE STATE. THERE IS RESTRICTED AND UNRESTRICTED. WITH REGARD TO THE UNRESTRICTED AND I THINK THERE IS A TRANSFER ON THE AGENDA OR APPROPRIATION ON THE AGENDA WHERE THE TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT IS ASKING TO USE SOME OF THE UNRESTRICTED DOLLARS FOR SOME CAMERAS.

THIS ONE HAS TO BE USED FOR SOME SORT OF OPIOID, MENTAL HEALTH RELATED COSTS. WHAT WE ARE ASKING HERE IS TO RELEASE DOLLARS AS A PART OF THE BUDGET TO FUND A NEW POSITION AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

TO RUN THE MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH PROGRAM.

OUR LAST BUDGET PRIORITY HERE IS ADDRESSING OVERALL FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY. THE BUDGET THAT WE PROPOSED HAS BEEN BALANCED ANY GIMMICKS. IT REFINANCES ALMOST $22 MILLION OF GENERAL FUND DEBT TO LOWER RATES AND MOVES THEM TO A MORE SECURE FUNDING SOURCE OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND.

IT PROVIDES A SLIGHT GENERAL FUND ANNUAL SURPLUS IN 2025 AND MAINTAINS OVERALL RESERVES OF OVER 15%.

IT PROVIDES TRANSPARENCY, AND ALSO ALONG THE LINES OF SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING EARLIER, IT TRIES TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE BLANK CHECKS THE CITY HAS ASKED IN THE PAST WHERE THERE ARE CERTAIN ENTITIES THAT SEND US THE BILL AND THERE IS NO EXPECTATION ON WHAT THOSE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE. IN REGARDS TO RESPONDING TO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE, ONE FROM AMONG THE.

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SHE IS ASKING FOR AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS.

PERHAPS THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IN THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT COULD BE TO OTHER CITIES IN HAMILTON COUNTY.

IT COULD BE LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANCE, POTENTIALLY EVEN ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS - -. WHEN IT COMES TO MAX BUDGET MARKETING, I WANTED TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS THAT CAME UP LAST WEEK AND MAYBE OFFER HOPEFULLY IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN REACH HERE. FIRST OF ALL, I DO NOT THINK WE GOT TO TELL THE STORY OF WHAT MARKETING USED TO BE FOR THE CITY AND WHERE IT IS NOW. THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT NOW, WE HAVE PULLED OUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INTO HIS ENTITY THAT FOCUSES ON RETENTION AND ATTRACTION OF THE BUSINESS IN THEAREA . MORE OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT IN THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT. ALSO, MARKETING IS NOW MUCH MORE THAN RUNNING AN AD FOR SOMETHING IN THE CURRENT.

IT IS TELLING THE STORY OF CARMEL IN A UNIFORM MANNER.

IT IS NOT HAVING 15 DIFFERENT PEOPLE RUNNING THE SOCIAL MEDIA WEBSITESACROSS THE CITY . IT IS MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE AND UNIFIED VISION FOR THE CIT .

BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED, I WANT TO OFFER A FEW REDUCTIONS TO THIS BUDGET. IT INCLUDED $100,000 FOR THE NEW KALEIDOSCOPE SHOW. WE ARE CURRENTLYFINE WITH THAT REDUCTION , TAKING THAT OUT. WE HAD REQUESTED FOUR NEW POSITIONS ADDED TO THE BUDGET AND GIVEN THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO PRIORITIZE THOSE FUNCTIONS AND DUTIES, AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE DO WITH ONLY TWO OF THOSE.

I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE SO THAT THERE IS IMPORTANT WORK TO BE DONE. BUT I THINK IT WILL GIVE US THE ABILITY TO MEET THE NEEDS THERE.

OVERALL, REMOVING TWO OF THOSE FOR WILL RESULT IN A $250,000 REDUCTION, INCLUDING SALARIES AS WELL AS BENEFITS.

OTHER FEEDBACK WE GOT WAS REGARDING THE SLIDE AND MAXIMUM BUDGET ON EMPLOYEE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS BASICALLY TRAVEL, TRAINING, REIMBURSEMENT OF TUITION EXPENSES.

YOU ARE OFFERING TO REDUCE THAT FROM 95,500 DOWN TO 30,000, SOME IF THAT IS PRODUCING THE ASSUMPTION OF EMPLOYEES THAT WE NEED TUITION REIMBURSEMENT FOR NEXT YEAR AND FRANKLY ALSO LIMITING THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT ATTEND CONFERENCES AND THE NUMBER OF CONFERENCES THAT ARE ATTENDED.

ULTIMATELY, $65,500 REDUCTION THERE.

IN TOTAL, WHAT WE ARE OFFERING IS A $470,500 REDUCTION TO MAXIMUM BUDGET AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE CAN DO WITHOUT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE MISSION OF THAT DEPARTMENT.

I ALSO RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK ON THE REDUCED OR CARMEL BOUNCE BACK PRACTICE PROGRAM. THAT WAS A $70,000 WINE WITHIN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUDGE .

THE GOAL THERE WAS TO PARTNER WITH THE MAKE MY MOVE PROGRAM TO LOWER PEOPLE TO MOVE BACK TO CARMEL.

THE OVERALL PROGRAM IS TO GET PEOPLE TO MOVE TO YOUR CITY, THIS WILL BE FOCUSED MORE ON GETTING FORMER CARMEL RESIDENTS TO MOVE BACK. WE HAVE OFFERED TO LOWER THAT ABOUT $30,000. AGAIN, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK

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I WANT TO SPEND A MINUTE ON THE REBRAND AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT IS AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT IS NOT.

AGAIN, THE REBRAND'S INTENTION IS TO SEND A CONSISTENT MESSAGE AND STORY. IT'S ABOUT LOOKING PROFESSIONAL AND UNIFIED. MY WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT HERE IS THAT CARMEL IS THE BEST THERE'S SO MANY THINGS, WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT TO GET THIS IN TERMS OF HAVING A COMMON LOGO.

AGAIN, IT IS NOT ADJUSTING THE CITY SEAL, IT IS UPDATING THE LOGO AND THE COLOR PALETTE THAT WE USE.

AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, CHATTANOOGA ANNOUNCED BACK IN AUGUST THAT THEY WERE SPENDING $250,000 ON THEIR REBRANDING AS PART OF A ONE MILLION-DOLLAR WEBSITE OVERHAUL.

OUR REBRAND IS $184,000. FYI, WE ALSO HAVE AN UNRELATED WEBSITE OVERHAUL THAT IS OVER 125,000.

MOST OF THE EXPENSES WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET ARE RELATED TO THE REBRAND OF THE REPLACEMENT OF T-SHIRTS AND UNIFORMS THAT SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES WHERE. A THOUSAND OF THE TOTAL IS FOR UPDATING POLICE VEHICLES. I THINK THE PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, IT PROBABLY DOES MAKE SENSE TO HAVE -WANT TO HAVE A COMMON LOGO ON A POLICE VEHICLE.

AS TO NOT MAYBE RAISE THE QUESTION OF THAT ONE HAS A DIFFERENT LOGO, IS THAT THE POLICE VEHICLE OR NOT? WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A MORE EXPENSIVE OPTION.

WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET BY, IS THAT OF A NEW RAP OR COMPREHENSIVE GRAPHIC PACKAGE IS ON THE NEWER VEHICLES AND BE A BANK 41 NEW VEHICLES - - EXISTING ONES, I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET BY WITH INSTEAD OF THE MORE EXPENSIVE REPLACEMENT, A VINYL STICKER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF THE NEW LOGO. I CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT YET, IT IS SOMETHING WE ARE INVESTIGATING.

WHAT I WOULD OFFER IS THAT YOU WILL KEEP THIS IN THE BUDGET AND FULLY FUND THIS REQUEST AND IDENTIFYING SAFETY AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS TO THE TRAINING BUDGET SO IT IS ALREADY FULLY FUNDED, A SUGGESTION THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED BY OURRESIDENTS AS WELL .THIS COULD PROBABLY BE IN THE CATEGORY OF RESPONDING TO FEEDBACK. I PRESENTED A WEEK AND AND A HALF AGO, I DO NOT THINK I DID A GOOD JOB OF ARTICULATING WHY THESE ARE ALL BUDGET - -. FIRST OF ALL, THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET SPEND THE MONEY ON PUBLIC SAFETY.

EVERY OTHER DOLLAR WE ARE SPENDING IS COVERED THROUGH THE REFINANCING THINGS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

RESTRUCTURING OUR BONDS AND CAPITAL LEASES, LOWER RATES OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND AND WITHOUT EXTENDING THE AVERAGE MATURITY AGE. GENERAL FUND REVENUES ARE GROWING BY 5.9%, HOWEVER THE GENERAL FUND SPENDING GROWTH IS 5.2%. IN REGARD TO THE OVERALL BUDGE , THE PAST BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR IS 208.2 MILLION.

THE PROPOSED BUDGET, EVERYTHING FROM NEXT YEAR IS 234.8.

THE QUESTION I SHOULD'VE ANSWERED BEFORE IS WHERE ARE WE SPENDING THIS 26.6? AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE BREAKDOWN CONSIST OF $8 MILLION MORE BEING SPENT IN THE GENERAL FUND OF PUBLIC SAFETY. THE CREATION OF THE REAL TAX

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THE 2024 LEASE RENTAL BONDS - - JUST UNDER 8.5 MILLION.

REVENUE IS UP IN THE DEVELOPMENT FUND, SO WE ARE APPROPRIATING THAT, IT IS AN EXTRA A MILLION THAT WE ARE USING . THAT IS TOWARDS BOND PAYMENTS.

THERE IS REVENUE GROWTH AND A FUND BALANCE, 2.3 MILLION, IS THE DELTA BETWEENTHIS YEAR'S APPROPRIATION AND NEXT YEAR'S .

THIS HERE IS BEING MORE TRANSPARENT AND WEHAVE AT THE TOP . WE WERE SPENDING IT BUT IT WAS NOT AFFECTED IN THESE NUMBERS AND IT IS SHOWING THE IMPACT THE OF SPENDING AT 1.7 MILLION IN THESE TOTALS.

AND LASTLY HIM ALL THE OTHER FUNDS PROVIDE 1.3 MILLION.

WE ARE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT 25 TO 30 OTHER FUNDS IN TOTAL, ADDING TO 1.3 MILLION THIS PAGE HERE TRYING TO SHOW ON THE GENERAL FUNDAPPROPRIATIONS WHERE THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE . THE LINES IN YELLOW HAVE BEEN REDUCED BY A COMBINED 447 AND THE BOX IN GREEN AS IT WAS BEEN INCREASED BY 447 FIVE, SHIFTING DOLLARS FROM MAC AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO CITY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE FOR THE USE OF THE STREET DEPARTMENT ON PRESERVATION AND MAINTENANCE.

THE OVERALL NUMBERS ON THIS PAGE IS NOT CHANGED AND FRANKLY SHOULD'VE MENTIONED, THE OVERALL BUDGET NUMBER HAS NOT CHANGED . THE GENERAL FUND WAS NOT 146 MILLION, PRESENTED A WEEK AND HALF AGO NOR THE GRAND TOTAL HERE. THE SURPLUS STATEMENT THAT I SHOWED YOU LAST TIME AS WELL, THOUGH TOTAL DID NOT CHANGE.

WE STILL HAVE A RAINY DAY FUND AS WE HEAD INTO NEXT YEAR, THAT WILL BE AT 10% OF OUR GENERAL FUND ANNUAL SPENDING.

THE OVERALL COMBINED RESERVE BALANCES AT 15.7%.

SO, IN SUMMARY, THIS GENERAL FUND BUDGET TOTALS 146 MILLION, THE OVERALL SPENDING PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR 'S 234.8.

IT IS HONESTLY BALANCED AND MAINTAINS HEALTHY RESERVES.

IT PROVIDES SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN FUNDING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY THROUGH MORE AND BETTER PAID POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS . IT PROVIDES A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE FOR ROADS, INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROVIDE PROTECT OUR TAXPAYERS BY ONE, USING THAT ZERO-BASED METHODOLOGY THAT I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GIVING THE NECESSARY FUNDING TO ACHIEVE OUR PROGRAMMATIC OBJECTIVES. IT REFINANCES DEBT AT LOWER RATES WITHOUT EXTENDING MATURITY DATES.

IT PROVIDES MORE TRANSPARENCY BY SHOWING OUR CITIZENS HOW THE DOLLARS ARE SPENT AND AGAIN, IT REDUCES THE VOLUME OF BLANK CHECKS THAT HAVE BEEN INHERENTLY PART OF OUR BUDGET.

>> ALL RIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THIS WILL BE GOING TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WHERE WE CAN DO A DEEP DIVE.

I KNOW THERE ARE STILL A NUMBER OF DISCUSSION POINTS WE NEED TO HAVE, SOME DISAGREEMENTS ON THE BUDGET MUSCLE WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM, SOME OF THE

>> DURING THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET. WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING IT SOMEWHERE, WHAT IS THE UPDATE

ON THAT? >> I SENT A MESSAGE I'M NOT SURE IF IT WENT TO ALL COUNSELORS BUT I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE GIST OF THAT. ESSENTIALLY FOR NEXT YEAR, MOST OF THE SPENDING THAT THE CITY HAS IS AT THE STREET DEPARTMENT, NOT ENTIRELY BUT THAT IS WHERE MOST OF IT, THAT IS WHERE MOST OF IT OCCURS. ABOUT HALF OF THE SPENDING THAT

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BEEN BEFORE. >> YOU ARE ON THE NEW BOARD,

CORRECT? >> OKAY.

>> SOME DATA SO WE CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, I UNDERSTAND THEIR NEGOTIATIONS RIGHT NOW. I APPRECIATE THE CONDITION WE HAVE HAD, WE ARE BARELY PUTTING OUR TOES IN THE WATER OF OUR UNDERSTANDING OF EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE LEARNING MORE FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND HOW WE

SHOULD PROCEED WITH THIS. >> THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS RECENTLY SIGNED IS FOR THE MARKET THIS YEAR .

>> HOW DOES THAT WORK IF YOU ARE GOING TO, WORKING WITH THE CITY IN DECIDING HOW MUCH MONEY THAT THE MARKET GETS BUT THEN YOU'RE ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THINGS WHERE --

>> THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYER TO LIMIT THE BLANK CHECK, TO ESTABLISH THIS IS WITH THE CITY TAXPAYER WILL PAY FOR, COMPARED TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE PAID FOR BY THE

501(C)(3) ITSELF. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, JUST FOR CONTEXT SO, THE FIVE TO 600,000 -- WHAT DOES THE CARTER GREEN, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO SET THAT UP AND HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THOSE EXPENSES IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT BUDGET?

>> I DO HAVE THOSE BUT I CAN TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT THOSE ARE EXCLUSIVE TO THE CHRIS KENDALL MARKET, WE MADE SURE WE WERE TEASING OUT THE ICE RINK.

>> YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS BUT I CAN EMAIL YOU.

>> WILL WE SEE THIS AGREEMENT THAT I GUESS WAS SIGNED THIS WEEK OR LAST WEEK? COULD YOU SEND IT TO COUNSEL? EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT IT I HAVE NOT SEEN IT.

>> IF I CAN JUST CLARIFY, THAT IS AN AGREEMENT FOR THIS YOUR.

I EXPECT THAT WE WILL LEARN THINGS FROM THIS YEAR AND WANT TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS EARLY NEXT YEAR REGARDING THAT

FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENT . >> THANK YOU, WE SAW INFORMATION, 1.1 MILLION OR SO? SEE, AS COUNSELOR I WAS ALWAYS UNDER THE IMPRESSION OR TOLD BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION IT WAS A SELF-SUFFICIENT. $1.1 MILLION APPROXIMATELY OF TIME THAT THE STREET DEPARTMENT COULD BE PAID IN DOING OTHER THINGS RATHER THAN WRAPPED UP IN THE MARKET, LOTS OF TRANSPARENCY ISSUES WHICH INTENTIONALLY WE ARE TOLD HIT THE $1.1 MILLION THERE ARE TRANSPARENCY PROMPTS WITHIN BOTH ADMINISTRATIONS BUT I APPRECIATE COUNSELOR --

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FIVE YEARS AGO I WAS PROMISED IT WOULD BE SELF-SUFFICIENT AND IT WASN'T UNTIL THE LAST FEW MONTHS I LEARNED $1.1 MILLION, MINUS THE ICE RINK STUFF IS STILL BEING FUNNELED TOWARDS

THAT. COUNSELOR TAYLOR? >> I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT .

WAS PREVIOUS STUFF -- >> WHENEVER I WORKED WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO ASCERTAIN WHAT THEIR TOTAL SPENDING WAS GOING BACK TO 2017, I HEARD MORE THAN ONCE THAT WE WERE DIRECTED NOT TO RECORD THESE EXPENSES.

>> THINK YOU. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, IT TOOK US 10 MONTHS TO GO THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT ORDINANCE. THIS HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION WE HAVE BEEN HAVING FOR A WHILE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE EXPENSES ARE. WE HAVE TWO WEEKS BEFORE THIS HAS TO COME BACK AND BE APPROVED. THERE IS A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAT I SPECIFICALLY NEED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH A LOT OF THESE LINE ITEMS. THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY, THERE IS A LOT OF DIGGING AND A LOT OF STRUCTURE ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING NOW ARE FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, FOR THIS YEAR'S MARKET. IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS IN THE NEXT BUDGET, THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LOT OF DATA AND UNDERSTANDING COMING BEFORE US AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON FOR ME TO BE COMFORTABLE LOOKING AT A BUDGET LINE ITEM THAT INCLUDES EXPENSES MOVING FORWARD, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, 14 DAYS. THERE IS A LOT MORE TO SEE.

>> ONE THING I ALSO THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL, I'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SALARY ORDINANCES AND IN THE PAST WAS ALSO BROKEN DOWN BY DEPARTMENTS YOU CAN SEE WHAT EVERYBODY HELD WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. IT'S A LITTLE HARDER FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IS REALLY GETTING PAID WHAT SO, LIKE IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO AMOUNTS AND CLASSIFICATIONS I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL BY DEPARTMENT.

>> THAT WAS INTENTIONAL TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN BE MORE UNIFIED ACROSS CITY GOVERNMENT YOUR TITLE COULD BE GENERAL LABOR. YOU MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE SALARY IN ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE TITLES LIKE MANAGERS OR SUPERVISORS WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO MORE OF A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM. IN THE OTHER CITIES I'VE LOOKED AT, IT IS CITYWIDE AS OPPOSED TO DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT, I'M HAPPY TO MORPH IT INTO THE OTHER VERSION.

>> THINK YOU. >> I WILL SECOND FIRST OF ALL WHAT COUNSELOR HAD TO SAY, JUST EXPLANATIONS. TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT LINE ITEMS ACTUALLY NEED TO THE POINT ABOUT THE CHRIS KENDALL MARK, WHAT HAS HAPPENED THE MAYOR OF ADMINISTRATIONS, THAT IS THEIR DECISION. FIVE PEOPLE ASKED FOR AN INVESTIGATION TONIGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS. I THINK JUST ASKING MORE QUESTIONS, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE A FORMAL THING, IT COULD BE SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT, WITH THE BOND STUDY JUST THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL HAVE DONE INDEPENDENTLY, THE CHECKS AND BALANCES.

>> MY QUESTION ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY FOR THIS YEAR,

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>> I AGREE WITH COUNSELOR SNYDER. I AM A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING, AND THE CHRISTKINDLMARKET THAT THEY ARE NEGOTIATING WITH THE CITY, ARE YOU REPRESENTING BOTH SIDES IN THE ROOM?

>> IS NOT TRULY AN INDEPENDENT NONPROFIT, IT IS AN ESTABLISHED

PORTION OF CODE >> OF THEIR NEGOTIATIONS OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE TWO PARTIES ON THE BOARD

>> WE WERE NEGOTIATING AGAINST OURSELVES IN MANY WAYS AT A CERTAIN POINT WE DECIDED WE NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET THE MARKET OPEN. AND MUST BE A CHANGE OF OPINION HERE, WE WERE TOLD WE NEEDED THE $75,000 IN THE BANK . WE ABSOLUTELY CAN'T DO THAT THAT IS WHERE WE HAD LANDED LAST. I'M JUST

CLARIFYING. >> OUR GOAL IS TO GET THE FINANCIALS AND PASTE -- IN PLACE. WE WANT TO PROVIDE A

FULL REPORT TO YOU. >> I GO TO THE POINT OF NEEDING THE DATA. THEY ARE REIMBURSING THE CITY FOR COST OF LABOR VERSUS THEM COMING OVER TO TEAR DOWN THE MART COULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE FOR THE MARKET VERSUS THE WAY WE COMPENSATE OUR EMPLOYEES AND BENEFITS..DATA -- THAT DATA WILL NOT ONLY BE HELPFUL, THIS DATA HAS BEEN SHARED IN THE PAST WITH MARIE AND HER TEAM, HOW CAN THEY GET A FIRM UNDERSTANDING OF THE ACTUAL OUTSIDE SUPPORT AND COST, IS WANTED TO MAKE THAT

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>> WHAT I WANTED TO ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE ICE RINK. THEY PAY THE CONSULTANT HAS VARIOUS COSTS RELATED TO OPERATING, OUR ENERGY CENTER THAT RUNS THE ICE RINK, NOT ONLY CHILLING ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS, THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS ARE AGING AND APPROACHING THE END OF LIFE.

THERE IS GOING TO BE COSTS RELATED TO THE RINK DIRECTLY RELATED TO MAINTAINING THE ENERGY CENTER. ARE WE RECOVERING THE SALES FOR THE ICE RINK? I DID NOT SEE THAT INFORMATION IN OUR BUDGET. THAT IS TRULY OWNED BY THE CITY .

>> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAD FOUND OUT RECENTLY

>> I THINK WE ARE TALKING SIX-FIGURE ANNUALLY THE ENERGY CENTER WAS CONSTRUCTED AT THE SAME TIME THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED.

IT IS A GOOD TIME FOR THINGS TO START FAILING THE CHILLERS AND THE BOILERS ARE NEARING THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE. BUT NOW THE ICE RINK WOULD GO OFF-LINE IF WE HAD A FAILURE THERE.

MAYBE IT IS A CONVERSATION THIS TIME NEXT YEAR WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BONDS WE ARE PROBABLY TALKING EIGHT DIGITS IT IS NOT ONLY A SOLUTION THAT PROVIDES A MORE SUSTAINABLE BACKUP IT WOULD MOVE THE EXISTING CHILLERS THAT WE USE FOR DAY-TO-DAY COOLING INTO A COMPLETELY BACKUP CAPACITY. IT WOULD USE THE ICE RINK CHILLER FOR JUST THE ICE RINK AND ESSENTIALLY A NEW SET OF CHILLERS FOR THE FIVE OR SIX BUILDINGS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE TO

DO THAT. >> THE STATION 41, THE MAJORITY OF CARMEL PD HEADQUARTERS AND CITY FALLS. SO, YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT COST RECOVERY FOR THE ICE RINK, THAT IS SOMETHING WE'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN I APPRECIATE YOU GOING THROUGH

THAT WITH ME. >> THINK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT -- THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT . YOU SAID IT WOULD BE MORE

EFFICIENT? >> WHAT I'M SAYING IS YES, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO HIRE THEIR OWN COMPANY WHICH ACTUALLY LOOSELY TO ANOTHER QUESTION BUT YES, THE WAY THAT WE COMPENSATE OUR EMPLOYEES WITH ALSO PAYING, PRIVATE CITIZENS MAY HAVE A

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>> WE HAVE DONE THAT TRADITIONALLY FOR ALL FESTIVALS HOWEVER, WE ARE GOING AWAY FROM THAT NOW WE ARE ACTUALLY IMPLYING -- HIRING EMPLOYERS AND NOT USING CONTRACTORS ANYMORE. NOT USING CONTRACTORS AND INSTEAD HIRE EMPLOYEES WHO RECEIVE THOSE BENEFITS. I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

>> THE OTHER THING, REGARDING THESE ON REPORTED EXPENSES, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS CURRENT OR SOMETHING THAT IS BACK IN

HISTORY? >> THE FIRST YEAR OF THE MARKET WAS 2017. I WAS TOLD THAT MORE OR LESS FOR THE YEAR AROUND 2018 THAT SOME DEPARTMENTS WERE DIRECTED NOT TO RECORD THOSE EXPENSES. I DON'T THINK IT IS A RECENT ISSUE.

>> I WILL NOT FIND A DIRECTOR THAT HAS TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING SINCE 2018. THERE WERE REASONS GIVEN BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE AS FAR AS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE.

>> COUNSEL SNYDER? >> THANK YOU, I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THE STATEMENT THAT, I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT FISCAL YEAR, OR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. MARIA SAID TO ME WHICH WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAD SPOKEN TO HER IN TWO YEARS, I WANT THIS TO SEEM LIKE WE ARE BUDDIES HERE, SHE SAID SHE DO IT I SAY LET HER TRY.

BUT, TO THE CONCERNED PEOPLE SWEEPING -- SPEAKING, WE CAN OFFER UP OUR OPINIONS. THIS IS AN EXECUTIVE FUNCTION. IT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE MAYOR SIGNED THESE CONTRACTS, TO THAT END WE CAN DISAGREE AND THAT'S OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR YOU, IN CASUAL CONVERSATION I THOUGHT THE MAYOR HAD A GOOD IDEA AND I WANT TO SHARE IT BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT NOTHING DIFFERENT TO DO WITH THE ICE RINK THAT I THINK SHOULD BE EXPLORED FURTHER. HAVE YOU I SAT DOWN WITH MARIA AND FOUND OUT, DOES THE ICE RINK ACTUALLY HELP THE MARKET? I'M JUST CURIOUS IF IT IS A NECESSARY THING. THAT'S CAUSING A DRAIN, CAUSING A 10 DIGIT PRICE TAG , MAYBE IT IS NOT NECESSARY ANYMORE, THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION AND SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE .

>> MY ONLY RESPONSE IS THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE NOT HAPPENED YET BUT THEY ARE GOOD ONES TO HAVE.

>> IF THERE WAS MORE SPACE, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO DECIDE.ONE THING I FORGOT TO ASK IS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME OF THESE WERE, THERE WAS FINANCING PUT IN PLACE WHAT ARE THOSE CURRENT MATURITIES AND WHAT ARE THOSE PAYMENTS AND ARE THOSE INTENDED TO BE REFINANCED ?

>> LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT ANSWER AND I WILL SEND IT

TO YOU. >> WE ARE NOT EXTENDING

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>> THERE IS ONE OF THE BONDS ON THE LIST THAT DOES CONTAIN SOMETHING RELATED TO THE -- WHETHER IT WAS STREET DEPARTMENT OR CITY BUILDING, CITY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE THAT THERE WAS A COMPONENT BUT THAT WAS ALSO ONE THAT WE HAVE DRAWN DOWN THE LEASE DOLLARS BUT NOT ACTUALLY SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THEM SITTING IN A TRUST IF YOU WILL HAVE TO FURTHER INVESTIGATE AND SOME OF THOSE WE WERE GOING TO USE TO PAY OFF THE BALANCES OF THE POSTER ROLLING INTO THE NEW BOND.

>> SO, THE UNUSED LEASE CAPITAL CAN BE USED TO RETIRE THE

LEASE? >> IT IS AT LEAST ONE OF THE

DISCUSSION POINTS. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A SOLID POINT ABOUT THE PROCESS HERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OTHER EXAMPLES OR THINGS THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE DOING TO MAKE THIS PLACE THE PLACE THEY WANT TO LIVE, ULTIMATELY OUR GOAL IS PRODUCE THE RESPONSE ABILITY OF FUNDS BUT THERE IS A SECONDARY PIECE TO THAT WHERE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE INSTRUCTION RELATIONSHIPS TO ENTITIES, ORGANIZATIONS, OUR CITIZENS THAT ALLOW THEM TO WANT TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS MOVING FORWARD. I'M LOOKING AT THIS PERSONALLY WITH THE CONCEPT OF, HOW DO WE SET UP A FINANCIAL REALITY THAT WORKS FOR THIS PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT CARMEL DESIRES. IT'S MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING INTO IT FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE THAT ALLOWS US TO SAY THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE WORTHWHILE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, CARMEL IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS. WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE SERVICES THAT WE REPLY -- APPLY ON TOP OF THAT WHETHER IT BE PUBLIC SAFETY OR AN ICE RINK OR OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE ALL PUT IN, ARE THEY UNAVAILABLE FOR THAT? I AM MAKING THIS PLEA NOW OF CONCEPTUALLY LOOKING AT THE FUTURE OF THIS PLACE AND THE THINGS THAT WE DO. I KNOW THAT THE LAST WEEK HAS BEEN STRESSFUL FOR EVERYBODY THAT HAS BEEN ATTACHED TO THIS INCLUDING THE MARKET, INCLUDING THE CITY, INCLUDING THE ICE RINK TRYING TO FIGURE HOW THOSE THINGS HAPPEN MATTERS. IT IS DONE IN A WAY THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD I WANT EVER PUT MY VOICE ON A POSITION THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE SERVICES WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 100% COVERAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BECAUSE IT IS OUR CITY THE DATA IS GOING TO MATTER LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF THIS EVENT AND OTHER TYPES OF EVENTS THAT WANT TO DO SOMETHING, THAT FOR ME IS SOMETHING THAT I'M TRYING TO GRAPPLE WITH AND FIGURE OUT HOW THIS PATH FORWARD LOOKS FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE WANT CREATIVE PEOPLE THAT LOVE THIS PLACE AND LOVE THEIR FAMILIES AND LOVED THEIR HERITAGE TO COME AND DO THIS AGAIN, SUPER EXCITED. WE HEARTH THINGS HAPPEN WHEN YOU HAVE A PLACE THAT IS WONDERFUL. YOU HAVE TO APPROVE A BUDGET THAT COVERS THE SERVICES THAT YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, IT'S GOING TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THINGS LIKE THIS TO OCCUR. I JUST WANT TO ENSURE AGAIN AS WE TALK ABOUT IT AS WE FIGURE OUT THE PATHS FORWARD, THAT WE DO WITH THE INTENT OF ENSURING THAT WE ARE PREPARING OUR CITY TO BE THE PLACE THAT THE CITIZENS WERE DOING THINGS THEY'RE DOING HERE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THEM. I AM A LITTLE DISHEARTENED BUT UNDERPOWERED BECAUSE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF COMPASSION, LOVE, THE THINGS THAT WE GET TO TALK ABOUT, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY WHAT AN ABSOLUTE JOY. IT'S GOING TO BE THE MARKET SEASON BUT FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE

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THANK YOU. >> WELL SAID, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID. THE ART IS REALLY IMPORTANT, MY KIDS, MY FAMILY, I LOVE THE ART AND WE ARE COMING TO LEARN THAT IT IS $8.5 MILLION BECAUSE HE CAME FROM THREE, HIS GIVING A THUMBS UP, EVEN HIGHER. WE CAN HAVE THAT PUBLIC DISCUSSION THAT SAYS HEY, LET'S KEEP FUNDING IT BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THINGS WEREN'T ALWAYS TRANSPARENT IN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION AND PART OF THE PROCESS OR THE PAIN IS KIND OF FIGURING OUT, I DON'T WANT TO SAY WHERE THE DEAD BODIES ARE BUT HOW THINGS ARE FUNDED. AND WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THOSE GREAT THINGS. I SALUTE ZACH AND THE MAYOR FOR A PAINFUL PROCESS BUT WE WILL GET THERE.

>> YOU ALWAYS BRING THE HUMANITY OUT. IT ALSO MADE ME RECOGNIZE THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, QUIETER THAN USUAL AND LESS CONFIDENT IN MY VOICE AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE AN AMAZING EVENT THAT HAS ONLY BEEN AROUND FOR 2017, I THINK IT WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN THAT WAY WITHOUT MARIA, QUITE DEFINITELY WITHOUT HER EXISTING. SERVANT -- CURRENTLY THERE ARE SOME FLAWS AND THINGS THAT HAVEN'T GONE RIGHT. I WILL REITERATE, I PROBABLY WOULD'VE WAITED UNTIL MARCH BUT, I THINK THAT MARIA AND HER BOARD IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY CAN HELP SHOULD BE LEANED ON TO GET THROUGH THIS. THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS THAT THIS HAS IS HARD TO BE QUANTIFIED. AS MORE THINGS COME ONLINE, I THINK THE IMPACT GETS GREATER. ONE THOUGHT OR, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW, I'M GUESSING THAT THERE IS NO SALES TAX, IS A

NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATION? >> I DON'T BELIEVE THE

ORGANIZATION -- >> THIS WOULD BEEN, AT THIS HAD THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX, THEN WE CAN START SEEING REVENUE IN

DIFFERENT WAYS MORE TANGIBLE. >> MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT THE ORGANIZATION ITSELF DOES NOT PAY SALES TAX BUT WHEN THEY'RE SELLING A GOOD IF IT IS A TAXABLE GOOD THEY STILL HAVE TO

COLLECT IT. >> AND WE GET THE BREAK OUT OF WITH THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX IS ON THAT? IF HAVING MORE HUTS DRIVES UP MORE REVENUE AND BRINGS MORE MONEY BACK IN AND MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT BRINGS ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE TOGETHER DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON. IT IS ALWAYS MY HOPE THAT SOMEBODY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CHRISTMAS MAGIC AND WITHOUT THIS MART, I WOULD NOT BE MAKING CORE MEMORIES FOR MY CHILDREN. IS MUCH OF AN OUTSPOKEN PERSON AS I'VE BEEN, I THINK IT HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL THING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL CONTINUE TO DRIVE, MY PLEA AND MY ASK IS PLEASE STILL LEAN ON MARIA AND FORMER BOARD IN ALL OF THE CAPACITIES. I DO THINK THEY HOLD THE SECRET. THEY HAD JUST BEEN IN AN AWKWARD SITUATION AS FAR AS THINGS RUN.

>> NOW I FEEL GUILTY BECAUSE I SENT EVERYBODY HOME AND I DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE THIS LONG DISCUSSION. HOPEFULLY

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>> THIS IS MY FINAL THOUGHTS ON THIS. IT IS KIND OF A PAINFUL PROCESS, I JUST WONDER IF IT NEEDED TO BE A PAINFUL PROCESS.

I THINK I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING, WE ARE LACKING LITTLE BEDSIDE MANNER WITH THIS, I THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS WHO COME UP WHO SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS GETTING THEIR TIME TO MAKE THIS ONE OF THE GREATEST MARKETS, I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, US HERE ON THE COUNCIL, NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY AT -- ELSE, IT IS THE VOLUNTEERS AT THE CHRISTKINDLMARKET AT ALL OF THESE OTHER EVENTS AND I THINK TO SEE THEIR DISAPPOINTMENT AND SEE THEIR UNCERTAINTY. I THINK WE BOTH WANT THE SAME THING. WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT HOW GREAT THE MARKET IS GOING TO BE THIS YEAR. I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE I THINK NEGOTIATIONS COULD'VE BEEN HANDLED MORE DELICATELY AND I THINK WE DESERVE A LITTLE BIT OF RESPECT

FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE . >> I AGREE ABOUT THE TIMING, THANK YOU TO MARIA, THE VOLUNTEERS AND EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE TO GO BACK TO THE FINANCES AND I AM A NERD AND THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD ALWAYS GOES, I THINK THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING BUT THERE IS REVENUE THAT PROBABLY IS INCREASING FROM THE CITY FROM THE ACTIVITY OF THE MARKET AND IF WE ARE GOING TO GET A TRUE PICTURE OF THE COST WHAT TYPE OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX THAT WE DO RECEIVE, WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF LOCAL INCOME TAXES AND JOBS CREATED SO, LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT THE REVENUE SIDE OF THINGS RELATED TO THE

MARKET. >> I JUST, I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO WEIGH IN HERE JUST A LITTLE BIT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW THINGS COULD'VE BEEN DONE DIFFERENTLY. AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME ASSUMPTIONS, I HEARD THE TERM DEAD BODIES, PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, YET I JUST STARTED OUT THIS MEETING REITERATING THAT EVERYONE WHO THOUGHT THERE WERE DEAD BODIES FROM THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION IN OUR BONDS DOES NOT EXIST. WE SPENT $20,000 TO ADDRESS THAT, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO CARMEL FEST OR WHATEVER ELSE AND GET THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT THERE IS A REASON WHY WE ALL GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY SO I AGREE BUT I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE ARE APPROACHING SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT EVERYTHING IS BROKEN AND IT'S JUST WHAT I HAVE BEEN SENSING AND I WOULD LIKE TO ISSUE CAUTION AGAINST THAT. THERE IS CERTAINLY ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. WE COULD, WE COULD GET THE INFORMATION IF WE DID OUR HOMEWORK AND DUG INTO IT, WE COULD TO GET THE INFORMATION. SOME OF US CHOSE TO PUT TIME HERE, ASSUMING THE WORST IS SOMETHING I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CAUTION THIS COUNSEL

AGAINST. >> THANK YOU, THAT IS A GOOD COMMENT. WHEN I TALK ABOUT PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS, THE MARKET ITSELF HAD SOME RESTRICTIONS. MUSIC HAD TO BE PLAYED ALL OF THE TIME OR YOU WOULD THINK THEY COULD FIND

[02:35:05]

>> WE WILL BE MEETING OCTOBER 14TH, THAT IS MONDAY AT 6:00

HERE IN THE CHAMBERS. >> I APPRECIATE THE KIND WORDS, I WILL SAY I CLEARLY OWE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER DATA NUMBERS, DON'T

HESITATE TO REACH OUT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT

THE BUDGET? >> IS ONE, AND THAT THAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AS A HOLE. -- HOLE.

>> YEAH, YEAH. FOR THE FORMALITY I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TURNING IT IN TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, CAN I DO THAT AS PRESIDENT? OKAY, LET IT BE WRITTEN, LET IT BE SO. YES SO, THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WILL BE CHAIRED ON

OCTOBER 14TH. >> WE WILL THEN REVERT TO FINANCE AFTER THAT IN ORDER TO HANDLE THE OTHER ITEMS ON OUR

AGENDA? >> CORRECT.

>> IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE I NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL START THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 844, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, THEY CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM.

>> NOT SEEING ANY MOVEMENT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:45. LIVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, 13 C WHICH

[12.c. Second Reading of Ordinance D-2729-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving Certain Carmel Redevelopment Authority Lease Rental Bonds to Finance Various Road Improvements and Other Capital Projects in the City and to Refinance Certain Outstanding Bonds; Sponsor: Councilor Worrell. Returning from the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee. Sent to the Land Use and Special Studies Committee. (Next meeting 10/03/24.)]

>> THE MAXIMUM PRINCIPL AMOUNT, MONITOR $10 MILLION.

OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE CITY, TOGETHER WITH THE RELATED FINANCING, WHICH LEASES ARE PAYABLE, ALL OWNERS OF TAXABLE PROPERTY IN THE CITY. WHEN READ LIKE THAT, IT SOUNDS VERY SCARY. I WANT TO COMMENT ON HOW WE ARRIVED HERE AT OUR SPECIAL LAND-USE MEETING ON THURSDAY WE WENT OVER 100 MAN-HOURS. IT WENT INTO THE REVIEW OF THE PROJECTS, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PHILOSOPHICAL DISAGREEMENTS THAT MAY BE ABOUT ISSUING DEBT IT WAS ABOUT WHAT CAN WE, HOW CAN WE BEST SERVE THE LOCAL COMMUNITY OF CARMEL. THE INITIAL PROJECT LIST CAME FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, WE DID MAKE SOME REVISIONS, ADDED A

[02:40:02]

DEFER TO YOU >> SEPTEMBER 19TH MEETING THE ORDINANCE 27-29 WAS ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED. THE ADMINISTRATION' 'S LIST OF PROJECTS. LAND-USE SORT OF TOOK THAT AND ADDED ON A LOT OF PROJECTS TO THAT . YOU DON'T GET THE LEVEL TWO OR REMAINING FROM LEVEL ONE. SUPPORTING THE FRAMEWORK FROM HOW YOU GO THROUGH THE LONGEST OF PROJECTS. AMONG THOSE PROJECTS WERE AT CERTAIN POINTS IN THE PRIORITY. ROUNDABOUT, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT LIST IS? WE HAVE NOW ADDED AN EXHIBIT B, HERE'S A LIST OF THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

EXHIBIT C IS THIS FORM OF UNDERSTANDING THE COUNCIL MAYOR'S OFFICE AND DPW THAT WAS SORT OF SET FORTH THE FRAMEWORK AS TO HOW AND WHEN THE VARIOUS PROJECTS DID, WHAT DO YOU DO HAVE COST COMES IN HIGHER THAN NORMAL. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, I THINK THAT YOUR COUNSEL CIRCULATED TO REVISE THE FORM OF THE ORDINANCE AS AMENDED VERSION A, THAT IS WHERE I WOULD RECOMMEND THE VOTING UPON TONIGHT BE

CONSIDERED. >> IT WOULD BE AMENDMENT A?

>> WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR COUNSELOR SNYDER TO READ THOSE

PROJECTS AND RECORD? >> I THINK IT IS, ALL OF THESE WERE DISCUSSED CONCEPTUALLY. THIS IS THE FINAL VERSION AND THEY HAVE ALL OF THIS IN DETAIL. FOR YOU HYDRATED NOW?

>> IT IS NOT GOING TO THE TWO HOURS IT TOOK AND FINANCE.

>> WE WILL HAVE YOU READ EVERYTHING INTO RECORD AND IF THERE ANY COMMENTS, SOMEONE WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND

>> THE LEVEL ONE PROJECTS , MR. BINGHAM TALKED ABOUT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE FUNDED, ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN DONE WITH THE CITY ENGINEER, LOTS OF EXPERIENCE WE ARE GOING TO READ THESE IT IS GOING TO SOUND LIKE A LOT, MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN COVER ALL OF THE PROJECTS TOGETHER WITH LAND ACQUISITION FOR THE ROUNDABOUT AND IT CONSTITUTES OTHER NONCONTROLLED PROJECTS. AND LAKESHORE DRIVE TOGETHER WITH LAND ACQUISITION.

[02:45:13]

LAND ACQUISITION AND ALL OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS OF A NEW MULTIUSE TRAIL CURRENTLY KNOWN AS THE AUTUMN GREENWAY TRAIL FROM AT OR ABOUT THE PLAZA. AND AT OR ABOUT THE SELFLESS PROPERTY CORNER OF 300 SOUTH, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE ORGANIC GARDENS. A NEW MULTIUSE TRAIL CURRENTLY REFERRED TO AS MEMORIAL GREENWAY TRAIL. FROM AT OR ABOUT GREENWAY BOULEVARD TO AT OR ABOUT FAIRFAX MANOR DRIVE AND OLD MERIDIAN AND MAIN STREET SO LONG AS THE COST ALLOCABLE AND OTHER NONCONTROLLED PROJECT. THE LAND ACQUISITION AND OTHER RELATED IMPROVEMENTS OF ONE OR MORE BEAR CREEK PARK, THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN ALONG SHELBURNE ROAD PLAYGROUND AMENITIES, BUILDING STRUCTURES, STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS STABILIZATION RELATED IMPROVEMENTS, LAND ACQUISITION TO INCLUDE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ROOM INSIDE THE BUILDING AT 210 VETERANS WAY. THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IMPROVEMENTS IN 106TH STREET. AND OR EQUIPPING PROJECTS AND GENERATE A COREL FIRE STATION. DESIGN ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION INSTALLATION IMPROVEMENT AND ENHANCEMENT. INSTRUCTION AND INSTALLATION IMPROVEMENTS AND ENHANCEMENTS AT THE TOWN ROAD AND L.E.A.P. STREET INTERSECTION. INCREASING CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE AREA CITY LIMITS TO THE WEST, ACTUAL AND THEORETICAL DIG ROADS. NEW MULTIUSE PATHS TO INCREASE CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE AREA TO THE WEST, CARMEL CITY LIMITS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH, THE ALIGNMENT OF AURORA BRODY TO THE EAST. THE PAST TWO THIS IS KIND OF A GEOGRAPHICAL AREA THAT IS WHY THEY ARE SPLIT INTO TWO SECTIONS OF UNDER SERVED TRAIL DOLLARS CONTRIBUTED.

DESIGN ENGINEERING AS DEFINED BY I.T. DEPARTMENT.

IMPROVEMENTS AT THE CANTON DRIVE INTERSECTION. STREETS ESCAPING IMPROVEMENT AND ENHANCEMENTS FROM THE LIST SET FORTH ON EXHIBIT B AS DETERMINED BY CITY ENGINEERING APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL. THE STREET AND INTERSECTION DESIGN ENGINEERING OR INSTALLATION OF A TUNNEL AND/OR BRIDGE OF THE GREENWAY TRAIL AND 106TH STREET, THE INSTALLATION TO INDIVIDUAL QUARTERS AT FIRE STATION 345 AND THE DESIGN ALSO

[02:50:14]

YOU. >> THANK YOU. COUNSELOR SNYDER NOT THE ENTIRE LAND-USE COMMITTEE AND ALL OF THE COUNSELORS WHO ARE PARTICIPATED. PRIORITIZES REALLY HELPFUL AND INCREDIBLY BENEFICIAL, PEOPLE OF CARMEL DON'T KNOW HOW LUCKY , YOU ARE HERE TO HELP US WORK THROUGH IT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE VERSION THAT WE ARE REVIEWING IS THE ORDINANCE DE-2729 AMENDED IN 10-7 IT WAS ADDED TO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE THAT WAS IN OUR ORIGINAL PACKET THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED. IT WOULD BE EXECUTED ON SHIFTING OF FUNDS IF NEEDED SO THE COUNCIL HAD PURVIEW OF ONE PROJECT. DIDN'T RAN OVER OR HAD EXTRA FUNDS ON WHAT IS A PROCESS ON HOW THOSE FUNDS GET SPENT A MATTER OF AMENDING ORDINANCE 7-29-24 VERSION A, WHICH YOU HAVE REVIEWED AND COMPLIES WITH EVERYTHING?

>> THE LATEST VERSION THAT WAS SENT OUT, I DID LOOK AT THAT.

>> AND THAT IS DUBBED VERSION A?

>> CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> COUNSELOR MINNAAR. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO YOUR COMMENTS, BECAUSE THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK DONE BY COUNSELOR SNYDER, COUNSELOR TAYLOR, PUT INTO THISLIST AND HAVING THAT EXPERTISE LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS SO VERY CRITICAL IN HELPING US DECIDE IN THE COLLABORATION THAT WENT ON

[02:55:01]

WAS INVOLVED. >> ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO WAY AND REALLY QUICK. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE MEETING LONGER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE BUT I HAVE VOTED ON SEVERAL OF THESE PACKAGES .

THE THING THAT IS DIFFERENT FOR ME, AND MAYOR, YOU MAY BE WILL AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH ME, BUT THE DIFFERENCES THERE ARE -- THERE IS NO SHINY OBJECTS IN THIS THING, OR MY DEFINITION OF A SHINY OBJECT AND IT IS ALL ABOUT SERVING THE CITIZENS OF CARMEL, SO I GIVE A LOT OF KUDOS TO KIND OF THE MAN IN THE TRENCHES, COUNSELOR SNYDER, DONE A GREAT JOB BUT EVERYBODY THAT WORKED ON IT, THE LIST WAS SO DETAILED AND DOWN TO THE LETTER IN DEGREE, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT HERE SO

I APPRECIATE IT. >> COUNSELOR LOCKE.

>> >> YEAH, JUST TO ECHO THE RATING OF THE ROUNDABOUT STUFF TURNED INTO A STRUCTURE WHERE WE HAVE ALMOST 30 POTENTIAL ROUNDABOUT SAFETY PROJECTS IN THIS BOND ISSUANCE FOR ALL OVER THE CITY, TURNED OUT TO BE A SUPER FUN, EXCITING WAY TO USE THE DAY THE WAY JEROME AND HIS TEAM PUT TOGETHER SO EXCITED FOR THAT ENDS UP.

>> THANK YOU , COUNSELOR WORRELL, YOU BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER TYING THE ROUNDABOUT BACK TO THE BOND AND I FORGOT TO TIE THAT BUT COUNSELOR LOT, THANKS FOR TYING THE TWO TOGETHER. THANK YOU. WITH THAT , LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO

AMEND. >> GOOD JOB. I WILL START PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:03, AND IT IS 9:03. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. WITHOUT SEEING ANY MOVEMENT, I WILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:04 . RIGHT NOW PUBLIC HEARING IS CONCLUDED. LOOKING FOR A

MOTION. >> MOVED TO AMEND WITH THE MOST RECENT VERSION , AS INDICATED BY COUNSEL.

>> SECOND. >> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE TO AMEND. THAT IS APPROVED 8-0, SO NOW LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO

APPROVE THE AMENDED ORDINANCE. >> WILL TO APPROVE.

>> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. >> ALL RIGHT, THAT CARRIES 8-0.

THANKS AGAIN, EVERYBODY, FOR THE HARD WORK ON THAT. MOVING

[14.a. Resolution CC-10-07-24-01; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds Between the Grant Fund (#900) and the General Fund (#101); Sponsor: Councilor Worrell.]

WORRELL. CAN I GET A MOTION? >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. I'M

SORRY. >> SECOND.

>> THIS IS A RESOLUTION -- TRANSFER 50,000 FROM THE GRANT FUNDS 900 INTO THE GENERAL FUND 101 IN ORDER TO APPROPRIATE GRANT FUNDS RECEIVED FROM WORK ONE CENTRAL INDIANA, SO THIS IS JUST MOVING 50 GRAND FROM THE GRANT FUND INTO THE GENERAL

FUND. >> ALL RIGHT, AND THAT IS PIGGYBACKING THE ORDINANCE WE JUST APPROVED. ANY QUESTIONS ON

[14.b. Resolution CC-10-07-24-02; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds in the 2024 Information and Communications Systems Department Budget; Sponsor: Councilor Worrell.]

MOTION. >> WILL TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

THAT IS APPROVED 8-0. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, B, 14 B RESOLUTION CC-10-07-24-02 , RESOLUTION OF THE COUNCIL OF CARMEL , INDIANA APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS IN THE 2024 INFORMATION SYSTEM DEPARTMENT BUDGET, SPONSORED BY COUNSELOR

WORRELL. >> I APOLOGIZE, I MUST'VE BEEN THE ONLY ONE READING EMAILS THAT DAY WHEN THEY SAID WHO WILL SPONSOR, SO TRANSFER $65,000 TO COVER EXPENSES INCURRED IN THE EVER CONTRACTED SERVICES LINE ITEM WITHIN THE 2024 INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS DEPARTMENT BUDGET. THIS IS TAKING THAT $65,000 AND PUTTING

[03:00:02]

BECAUSE -- >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE HAD AN OPEN POSITION FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE YEAR FOR AN AV TECHNICIAN. WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY HAD SEVERAL CANDIDATES GET RAISES FROM THE CURRENT COMPANIES BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FILL THAT POSITION. WE ARE THEREFORE TRYING TO TAKE SOME MONEY FROM PERSONNEL, MOVE IT INTO CONTRACT SERVICES. WE HAVE SOME OUTSTANDING PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO FUND. WE WILL NEED TO USE THOSE DOLLARS THAT WOULD'VE PAID FOR A PERSON TO GET THAT DONE BY THE

END OF THE YEAR. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> YES, COUNSEL SNYDER. >> THE MAYOR HAS SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT SALARY STUDIES. IS IT YOUR HOPE THAT THIS MIGHT HELP

YOU HIRE SOMEBODY? >> WE WILL SEE WHAT COMES FROM THE SALARY STUDY. THERE IS DEFINITELY ROOM FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF MY TEAM TO ACTUALLY RECEIVE BETTER COMPENSATION BASED ON THAT SALARY STUDY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. THAT IS APPROVED 8-0. THANK

[14.c. Resolution CC-10-07-24-03; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Transferring Funds from the General Fund #101 to the Rainy Day Fund; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen.]

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> ALL RIGHT, THERE IS A

SECOND. COUNSELOR AASEN. >> THIS TRANSFER IS $1,740,590 TO THE RAINY DAY FUND PURSUANT TO CARMEL CITY CODE SECTION 2-110D WHICH REQUIRES THAT THE RAINY DAY FUND BALANCE ON JANUARY 1ST, 2024 MUST EQUAL OR EXCEED 10% OF THE 2024 GENERAL FUND BUDGET ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL IN 2023.

>> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR SNYDER.

>> JUST A SIMPLE ONE. WHY -- DOESN'T THIS USUALLY HAPPENED FOR THE END OF THE YEAR? I'M CURIOUS ON THE TIMING.

>> THANK YOU, YES. MY GOAL WAS TO BASICALLY KIND OF PROPOSE EVERYTHING BUDGET -RELATED ALL AT ONCE, AND SO I DON'T BELIEVE A TRANSFER RAINY DAY FUND TRANSFER HAS OCCURRED YET THIS YEAR, AND SO IT WAS LATE . MY GOAL WAS TO JUST GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS 24 AND 25 ALL AT THE SAME TIME, SO THE AMOUNT OF THIS TRANSFER BRINGS THE BALANCE UP TO 10% . 14.2 MILLION, I BELIEVE, WHICH IS 10% OF THE GENERAL FUND APPROPRIATIONS FOR NEXT YEAR SO TRYING TO KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE A LITTLE BIT EARLY. -- ONE IS LIKE, ONE IS EARLY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ZACH, WITH THAT , LOOKING TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT RESOLUTION, CC-10-07-20

[14.d. Resolution CC-10-07-24-04; A Preliminary Resolution Designating an Economic Revitalization Area and Qualifying Certain Personal Property for Tax Abatement – The Alliance for Cooperative Energy Services Power Marketing, LLC; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Joshi and Worrell.]

WORRELL. >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE.

>> PLEASE READ IS THE SYNOPSIS.

>> A PRELIMINARY RESOLUTION THAT DESIGNATES THE REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4140 WEST 99TH STREET CARMEL, INDIANA, AS AN ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION AREA AND GRABS A PARTIAL ABATEMENT OF PROPERTY TAXES ATTRIBUTABLE TO CERTAIN ELIGIBLE EQUIPMENT INSTALLED THEREIN. NICK IS HERE, BUT OUR PLAN WAS TO READ THIS IN , UNLESS NEXT, YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. OKAY, BUT TO READ IT IN AND THEN SEND IT TO COMMITTEE.

>> OKAY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL'S.

NICK WEBER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DIRECT DEVELOPMENT.

[03:05:12]

>> IS THERE ANY TYPE OF PRIORITY FOR ANY REASON THERE'S GOING TO BE LOTS TO GO THROUGH IN THE BUDGET WHAT DO WE CALL IT? THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND THEN AFTER THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT ON THEIR PLATE. ANY REASON WHY , YOU KNOW, THEY CAN PUT THIS ON THE BOTTOM?

>> YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOTTOM. THERE IS, THOUGH, AN ISSUE WITH WANTING TO GET THROUGH THIS COUNSEL PROCESS BECAUSE AS YOU RECALL, IT IS A TWO-STEP PROCESS. YOU WILL HAVE TO DEVOTE ON DECLARATORY AND CONFIRMATORY AT ANOTHERMEETING AND THEY NEED ENOUGH TIME TO ORDER THEIR PRODUCTS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR SO I DO WANT TO KEEP IT AT THE NEXT MEETING IS

STILL POSSIBLE. >> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL SEE.

COUNSELOR AASEN. >> THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION. IT DOES WORK AS THE MEDIATING OF THE COMMITTEE OF

THE WHOLE DEALING WITH A? >> WE CAN TRANSITION ONCE WE GET DONE WITH THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE FINANCE MEETING SCHEDULED RIGHT AFTER THAT.

>> COUNSELOR SNYDER. >> I JUST HAVE MAYBE A LEGAL QUESTION. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE , LEGALLY, I GUESS, BETWEEN A RESOLUTION AND A PRELIMINARY RESOLUTION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WHY IS IT -- WHY IS THERE A

DESIGNATION? >> THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE PHYSICAL BODY OF THE GEOGRAPHY ENTER INTO A PRELIMINARY RESOLUTION ? THAT PRELIMINARY RESOLUTION IS THEN PUBLICLY NOTICED AND THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING THAN A CONFIRMATORY RESOLUTION CONFIRMING WHAT WAS PRELIMINARILY DECIDED SO THERE ARE TWO RESOLUTIONS THAT ARE

VIRTUALLY THE SAME IN TEXT. >> BUT, IT IS A TWO-STEP

PROCESS UNDER STATE LAW. >> THANK YOU FOR THE EDUCATION.

>> RICH TAYLOR. >> IN THE FORM SUBMITTED TO THE STATE , FORM 51764 , IT HAS A FOR USE BY THE DESIGNATED BODY AND I THINK FOR ME AS A FINANCE COMMITTEE MEMBER IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THE ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO THESE ITEMS ARE INCLUDED ARE INCLUDED FOR US TO REVIEW. WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THIS IN THE PACKET I DID NOT KNOW EXACTLY, IS THIS A FULL ABATEMENT? ARE WE GOING 10 YEARS, SIX YEARS, SEVEN YEARS? WHAT ADDITIONAL JUSTIFICATION IS WHY , YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT YOU AND THE ADMINISTRATION ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ABATEMENT , THE ABATEMENT SCHEDULE, RECOMMENDED SCHEDULE, SOME OF THAT INFORMATION WE WILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO FULLY THAT JUSTIFICATION FOR APPROVING THIS ABATEMENT.

>> WE WILL HAVE THAT IN THE BODY OF THE RESOLUTION. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT AND IT WILL BE IN BOTH THE PRELIMINARY AND DECLARATORY, SO WE WILL HAVE IT IN BOTH SETS. WE WILL ALSO -- WE ARE TALKING TO THE COMPANY ABOUT ENTERING A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT. I DON'T THINK CARMEL HAS EVER DONE THAT BEFORE WHERE THERE IS A CONTRACT ESSENTIALLY BETWEEN THE CITY AND AN ENTITY RECEIVING ONE OF THESE ABATEMENT ENSURING COMPLIANCE ON THE WAY WE ARE GOING TO MONITOR THAT COMPLIANCE OVER TIME.

>> IT IS A FIVE-YEAR -- >> 75% FLAT OVER FIVE YEARS. IS THAT WHAT THEY REQUESTED OR WHAT ADMINISTRATION IS

RECOMMENDING? >> IT IS WHAT THEY REQUESTED AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ANALYSIS OF IT WE THOUGHT IT

WAS A GOOD RETURN . >> YEAH, BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE

A WORKSHEET. >> WE DO AND WE CAN WALK

THROUGH ALL THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> SURE. >> WITH THAT WE WILL SEND THAT TO FINANCE COMMITTEE AND JACOB, YOUR ALL OVER IT, NOTICING THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AFTER

[14.e. First Reading of Ordinance D-2734-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Fixing Salaries of Appointed Officers and Employees of the Carmel City Court for the Year 2025; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Snyder, Minnaar and Ayers.]

THAT. >> MOVING ON TO E, FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2734-2 FOR AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA FIXING SALARIES OF APPOINTED DEPUTIES IN THE PLACE OF THE, CITY CLERK FOR 2025, CAN I GET A MOTION? WAS THAT A SECOND? ALL RIGHT, SECOND. ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE'S GETTING TIRED. PICK IT UP, EVERYBODY.

ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR MINNAAR, YOU WANT TO READ THE SYNOPSIS?

>> NO PROBLEM. ESTABLISHES 2025 MAXIMUM SALARIES FOR EMPLOYEES

[03:10:01]

OF THIS CARMEL CITY COURT. >> OKAY. JUDGE?

>> HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE WITH REGARD TO THE SALARY ORDINANCE. THIS IS KIND OF NEW GROUND FOR US. WE FOLLOWED ALL OF THE DIRECTIONS FROM HR'S ACT IN TERMS OF HOW TO BUILD A BUDGET, AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE OTHER DIRECTIONS WE RECEIVED FROM COUNSEL.

>> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAVE FOR THE JUDGE? ALL RIGHT.

>> FINANCE COMMITTEE? >> THIS -- WHAT WAS I GOING TO SAY? IS THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING ?

THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO DO IT? >> WE CAN SUSPEND THE RULES ON

THIS ONE? >> THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT YOU INTRODUCED AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.

>> CERTAINLY, IT IS. WE HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT ALL ALONG, YES.

>> A WE'VE SEEN THIS? >> YES.

>> I DON'T SEE ANY REASON -- >> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THESE IF THEY REFLECT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP INAUDIBLE ] I WOULD MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES

THIS EVENING. >> DISCUSSION? COUNSEL TAYLOR.

>> SO, WE ARE APPROVING A SALARY RESOLUTION WITHOUT A BUDGET BEING APPROVED ? THAT SEEMS BACKWARD TO ME. SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD APPROVE THE BUDGET THAN APPROVE THE SALARY RESOLUTIONS RELATED TO -- ONCE THE BUDGET IS APPROVED BECAUSE

WE -- >> COUNSELOR LOCKE, YOU HAVE

SOMETHING TO ADD? >> YES.

>> COUNSELOR WORRELL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING?

>> WELL, I THOUGHT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS.

>> WE WERE GOING TO SEND IT TO COMMITTEE.

>> BECAUSE YEAH. IT SEEMS A LITTLE FAST.

>> OKAY. WE WILL SEND IT TO FINANCE COMMITTEE. WE ARE GOOD.

I WILL BE THERE. >> YES, THAT IS WHAT I HAD TALKED TO COUNSELOR WORRELL ABOUT HIS BEING CONSISTENT, SENDING EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW. OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD.

>> YOU HAVE TO RESCIND THAT MOTION.

>> WITHDRAW THE MOTION. >> WE HAD A SECOND OVER THERE.

SO IT'S WITHDRAWN. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE

[14.f. First Reading of Ordinance D-2733-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Fixing Salaries of Appointed Deputies and Employees of the Carmel City Clerk for the Year 2025; Sponsor(s): Councilors Aasen, Ayers and Taylor.]

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. S, FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2733-24, AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA EXCEEDING SALARIES OF APPOINTED DEPUTIES AND EMPLOYEES OF THE, CITY CLERK FOR YEAR 2025.

SPONSORS, COUNSELOR AASEN, COUNSELOR AYERS, AND COUNSELOR

TAYLOR. >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE.

>> ESTABLISHES 2025 MAXIMUM SALARIES FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE

CARMEL CITY CLERK. >> ALL RIGHT. DO WE NEED TO HEAR FROM MR. QUINN? ARE YOU GOOD? ANYBODY HAVE ANY

[14.g. First Reading of Ordinance D-2735-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Fixing Salaries of Appointed Officers and Employees of the City of Carmel, Indiana, for the Year 2025; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen.]

>> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND.

>> ESTABLISHES THE 2025 MAXIMUM SALARY FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE

EXECUTIVE BRANCH. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH ON THIS? THIS WILL BE GOING TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, AS WELL. MOVING ON. COUNSELOR WORRELL.

>> SORRY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU COME TO FINANCE WE CAN BE CLEAR ON WHAT IS NEW , YOU KNOW, WHAT IS A NEW POSITION? MAYBE THAT IS HOW I SHOULD THINK OF IT.

>> CERTAINLY. I CAN BRING A CROSSWALK, IF YOU WILL, THAT SHOWS NEW POSITIONS. THERE HAS BEEN SOME WHERE WE HAVE KIND OF GONE WITH A DIFFERENT NAMING AND AS WELL I WILL SHOW IT

[14.h. First Reading of Ordinance D-2736-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Fixing Salaries of Elected Officials of the City of Carmel, Indiana, for the Year 2025; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen.]

INAUDIBLE ] HAPPY TO DO THAT. >> THANK YOU.

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>> MOVING ON TO H FIRST READING ORDINANCE D-2736-2 FOR AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA FIXING SALARIES OF ELECTED OFFICIAL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA FOR 2025. COUNSELOR AASEN IN GREEN.

>> ESTABLISHES 2025 SALARIES AND ALL YEARS THEREAFTER FOR

CARMEL'S ELECTED OFFICIALS. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH WHILE HE IS UP THERE? THIS WILL ALSO BE

GOING TO FINANCE COMMITTEE. >> CAN EXPLAIN THE NEW

PROVISION? >> GO AHEAD. THAT WILL BE WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE AND NOT CHANGING THE PROCEDURES.

>> WHAT I TRIED TO DO, AND THIS IS KIND OF IN MY MIND TAKING THE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE HAVE AT THE STATE LEVEL WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTED OFFICIALS SALARIES AS WELL AS KIND OF ADDRESSING, IN MY MIND, WHAT IS KIND OF A NIGHTMARE WITH THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS JUST IN TERMS OF HOW THESE INCREASES GETS A POLITICAL. AT THE STATE LEVEL , A STATE BUDGET DIRECTOR, I WAS THE ONE THAT CALCULATED EACH YEAR WHAT THE SALARY INCREASES WERE FOR JUDGES , LEGISLATORS , THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SECRETARY OF STATE AND ALL THOSE AND I VERY CLOSELY MIRRORED THAT PROCESS BUT FRANKLY, ADDRESSED SOME OF THE SHORTCOMINGS THERE AND SO WHAT I HAVE DONE HERE IS BASICALLY SAY WHATEVER THE COLA OR GSA, GENERAL SALARY ADJUSTMENT, MAYBE AT SOME POINT INSTEAD OF GIVING COST-OF-LIVING INCREASES, WE ARE GIVING A GENERAL SALARY INCREASE THAT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A COLA, JUST AN INCREASE , WHATEVER THE MAYOR DETERMINES THAT YOUR. THAT IS THE SAME INCREASE THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET FRANKLY TO TRY TO TAKE SOME OF THE POLITICS OUT OF THIS EVERY YEAR AND AGAIN THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS JUST MAYORS SALARY THEIR HAS BEEN 95,000 FOR SO LONG AND NOW THAT THEY'RE INCREASING IT I THINK TO 150 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT , IT'S NOT UNTIL AFTERWARDS. THIS JUST SAYS WHATEVER INCREASE THE MAYOR GIVES GSA WISER COLA, THAT IS WHAT ELECTED OFFICIALS DID. ALSO INSERTED THE SENTENCE SO JUST SO NOBODY WOULD PERCEIVE THAT THE MAYOR WAS GIVING A GENEROUS COLA SO THAT THE MAYOR WOULD PERSONALLY BENEFIT FROM THAT KIND OF SEPARATE CITIZEN HERE SIGN OF COUNSEL CAN KIND OF VOTE NOT TO PASS ALONG THAT TO THE MAYOR BUT WOULD REQUIRE AN ACTION BY

COUNSEL . >> THANK YOU. COUNSELOR TAYLOR.

>> SORRY, SO GSA AT SOME POINT OF THIS BECOMES MORE OF A PERFORMANCE-BASED INCREASE EURO FOR YOUR HOW DOES THIS ACCOUNT

TO THAT ? >> I THINK THERE IS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND THEN AGAIN NOT THAT WE DID EVERYTHING PERFECT BUT WHAT WE GOT FOR LITERAL -- LITERALLY TWO DECADES, WE ONLY DID PERFORMANCE-BASED ADJUSTMENTS .

THAT'S GREAT FOR A FEW YEARS BUT AFTER A WHILE YOUR RANGES GET STAGNANT BECAUSE SOMEBODY AT THE MINIMUM OF THE RANGE DOES NOT GET A POSITIVE PERFORMANCE REVIEW, YOU CAN'T INCREASE THOSE RANGES TO MAKE THEM MORE COMPETITIVE YEAR AFTER YEAR. THAT'S ONE CONCERN. THE OTHER WAS THAT AS A SUPERVISOR , IF I KNOW THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO GET ANY INCREASE AT ALL IS BASED UPON A POSITIVE PERFORMANCE REVIEW THEY TEND TO BE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT EASIER OF A GREATER THAN I MIGHT HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE. IN MY IDEAL SCENARIO , YOU HAVE A BIFURCATED INCREASE PROCESS.

ONE IS A GENERAL SALARY ADJUSTMENT SO EVERY EMPLOYEE IS GETTING A 2% RAISE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN IN A YEAR. ALSO BEGETTING WHETHER IT WAS A RAISE OR A ONE-TIME BONUS OR SOME OTHER PERFORMANCE PAYMENT OR INCREASE , AND IN MY MIND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SET US UP FOR IF WE DO GET AWAY FROM JUST THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT NOW WE HAVE A MANNER WHERE THE GENERAL SALARY ADJUSTMENT IS, REGARDLESS OF PERFORMANCE IS WHAT WOULD BE APPLIED INSTEAD.

>> COUNSELOR AASEN. >> YOU KNOW IF ANYONE THINKS THAT THE COUNCIL IS TRYING TO GIVE THEMSELVES MORE MONEY. I

[03:20:05]

INCREASE FOR THE COUNCIL. >> ALL RIGHT AND THIS WILL BE

[14.i. First Reading of Ordinance D-2737-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Creating the Carmel Surtax Fund and Imposing a Motor Vehicle License Excise Surtax; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen]

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND.

>> SYNOPSIS, COUNSELOR AASEN. WE ARE ON I? THIS CREATES A CARMEL SURTAX FUND AND IMPOSES A MOTOR VEHICLE LICENSE EXCISE

SURTAX. >> THIS WILL BE GOING TO THE

FINANCE COMMITTEE, AS WELL. >> IF IT'S OKAY, I WILL SPEAK ABOUT THESE COLLECTIVELY. WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT CREATES REAL TAX AND THE SURTAX, ESSENTIALLY THERE ARE -- THIS IS A TOOL PROVIDED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SO THAT MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS CAN RAISE THEIR OWN FUNDING FOR ROADS AND TRANSPORTATION . THE COMMON THEME I HEARD AT THE STATEHOUSE WAS THAT WHY SHOULD WE INCREASE GAS TAXES IF LOCAL UNITS OF GOVERNMENT ARE WILLING TO USE THIS TOOL THAT WE'VE GIVEN THEM? WE ESTIMATE THAT THIS WILL BRING IN $3.6 MILLION A YEAR. THERE ARE HONESTLY VERY FEW MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE RIGHT NOW, FEWER THAN 20 THAT HAVE INTRODUCED IT SO FAR BUT HAMILTON COUNTY IS WHERE SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE ALREADY MOVED ON THIS . FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY MIRRORING THE NOBLESVILLE RATES WITH BOTH OF THESE.

>> COUNSELOR WORRELL. >> SOMEONE ELSE DID ASK ME THIS. I WILL ASK IT NOW, SO FISHERS, WESTFIELD, NOBLESVILLE ALL HAVE SOME FORM OF THE SAME TAXES?

>> I WOULD NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK ON WESTFIELD BUT I KNOW FISHERS

AND NOBLESVILLE. >> WOULD YOU BRING THAT TO

HAPPY -- FINANCE PLEASE ? >> HAPPY TO.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? MOVING ONTO J FIRST READING OF

[14.j. First Reading of Ordinance D-2738-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Creating the Carmel Wheel Tax Fund and Imposing a Municipal Wheel Tax, Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen.]

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND.

[14.k. First Reading of Ordinance D-2739-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Article 4, Sections 2-94, 2-106 and 2-150 and Adding Sections 2-154 and 2-155 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilors Green and Aasen.]

>> THIS CREATES THE CARMEL WHEEL TAX FUND AND IMPOSES A

MUNICIPAL WHEEL TAX. >> ZACH ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS. ANY QUESTIONS? THIS WILL BE GOING TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. MOVING ONTO K FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2739-24, AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA AMENDING ARTICLE FOUR SECTIONS 2-94, 2-10 SX, AND 2-150 AND ADDING SECTIONS 2-154 AND 2-155 OF THE CITY CODE.

>> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. THIS CEMENTS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AID I.V. FUND 911, URBAN FOREST REFUND, FOR 1501 AND NON-RIVER AND CODE ENFORCEMENT FUND, FUN 924, AND OUT THE NON-RIVER IN CARMEL SURTAX FUND, FUND 528, AND ON REVERTING CARMEL WHEEL

TAX FUND, FUND FIVE -- 259. >> ESSENTIALLY I THINK WE ARE TALKING ON FOUR FUNDS IN THIS ONE. SOME IS JUST BA THE CITY CODE THAT IS A LITTLE OUT OF DATE AND DOES NOT ADDRESS THINGS VERY WELL AND THE OTHER IS THE CREATION OF THESE FUNDS FOR THE WHEEL TAX SURTAX.

>> THANK YOU. THIS WILL BE GOING TO FINANCE COMMITTEE AND ALSO ZACH, YOU WOULD SAY OF EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, THIS WOULD BE LOWER PRIORITY?

>> OF EVERYTHING GOING? I FEEL LIKE THE BUDGET IS THE

PRIORITY. >> THE BUDGET, THE SALARY

ORDINANCES. >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> I THANK YOU FOR ASKING IF

THERE IS TIME TO STILL DO THIS. >> YEAH, A LATER COUNSELOR

[14.l. First Reading of Ordinance D-2740-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 2, Article 1, Sections 2-1, 2-3, 2-6, 2-10, 2-12, 2-13 and 2-14 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilors Green and Aasen. ]

[03:25:13]

OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE. >> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE CLARIFYING THE PURPOSE AND DUTIES OF

COMPONENTS OF GOVERNMENT. >> SO, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY THE LOGIC HERE , I WOULD SAY WHENEVER THE CITY MOVED TO A CLASS TWO STATUS BACK IN 2016, IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN A COUPLE OPTIONS OF HOW TO GO ABOUT AMENDING EXISTING CODE TO REFLECT THAT. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT SAID THERE WERE FOUR BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, THE LEGISLATIVE, THE JUDICIAL AND THEN THE FISCAL BRANCH. THAT MADE SENSE WHEN THERE WAS A SEPARATELY ELECTED THE CITY CLERK TREASURER. WHEN WE WENT TO CLASS TWO STATUS RATHER THAN PROBABLY DOING A MAJOR CLEANUP OF CODE AT THAT TIME, COUNSEL CREATED PROBABLY DRAFTED, IT PUT THE CONTROLLER IN A SEPARATE FISCAL BRANCH AND ALSO JACOB'S OFFICE IN AS THE CLERK, SO RIGHT NOW IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE FUNNY TO ME THAT I, AS CONTROLLER AND CFO, I'M IN A SEPARATE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT THAN MY BOSS, THE MAYOR, SO WHAT THIS DOES IS MOVE THE CONTROLLER OUT OF THE FISCAL BRANCH AND OVER TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WHERE IT BELONGS, AND THEN ALSO IN THINKING THROUGH OKAY WELL, DO YOU CALL IT THE CLERKS BRANCH? IT'S NOT REALLY THE FISCAL BRANCH ANYMORE. I WENT WITH THE TERM, COMPONENTS OF GOVERNMENT, SO WE HAVE THE THREE BRANCHES IN THE CLERK AS THAT FOURTH COMPONENT, YOU KNOW, THE CLERK KIND OF SERVICE ALL THREE BRANCHES AND SO IT WOULD BE HARD TO FORCE THAT OFFICE SO AGAIN I WENT WITH THIS NAMING CONVENTION. IT ESSENTIALLY TRANSFERS OUT ALL OF THOSE DUTIES UNDER THE CONTROLLER IN THE FISCAL BRANCH OVER TO THE

EXECUTIVE BRANCH, AS WELL. >> OKAY, COUNSELOR AASEN.

>> DOES THIS CHANGE ANYTHING ON HOW THE GOVERNMENT WOULD

OPERATE? >> NO.

>> CAN WE CONSIDER THIS A CLEANUP ORDINANCE?

>> YES. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES ON ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING. I MEAN , DOES IT CHANGE ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE -- I MEAN, DISCUSSION?

>> I MEAN , IN MY MIND , THAT CLARIFIES PRACTICE THAT I REPORT TO THE MAYOR, AND I'M NOT SEPARATE FROM IT -- IT CLEANS UP SOMETHING THAT'S CONFUSING.

>> YES, SO IT WOULD BE A CLEANUP. IT DOES NOT CHANGE HOW YOU DO YOUR JOB IF THIS ORDINANCE WAS PASSED OR NOT?

>> CORRECT. THE OTHER SECTION OF CODE ALREADY CLARIFIES THAT

I AM APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR . >> ALL RIGHT, TO SUSPEND, IT JUST TAKES ONE COUNSELOR. COUNSELOR SNYDER, DO YOU HAVE

ANYTHING? >> I'M JUST LOOKING AT ALL OF THE REDLINES IN THIS, AND I MEAN, IT IS PAGES AND PAGES. I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO CONSULT WITH OUR COUNSEL TO MAKE SURE

THIS IS ALL KOSHER. >> COUNSELOR LOCKE.

>> I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST SUSPENDING THE RULES JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE THINGS. CONCEPTUALLY I THINK THERE ARE QUESTIONS OF WHAT STRUCTURE THIS DOES ALLOW ADMINISTRATIVEL Y. EVEN BRANCHED COMPONENT IN JURISPRUDENCE MAY HAVE SOME TO PROCESS. THE STATE GOVERNMENT TO SET UP HIS FOUR BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME COURT REASONS, LEGAL OR STRUCTURAL REASONS TO ENSURE THAT THESE WORDS ARE THE RIGHT

WORDS. >> SOUNDS GOOD. MOTION TO

WITHDRAW THE MOTION. >> SURE. IT'S NOT A PASS.

[14.n. First Reading of Ordinance D-2744-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing the Issuance of General Obligation Bonds for the Purpose of Providing Funds to Refinance Certain Capital Equipment Leases and Incidental Expenses in Connection Therewith and on Account of the Issuance and Sale of the 2024 Bonds and Appropriating the Proceeds Derived from the Sale of Such Bonds; Sponsor: Councilor Taylor.]

>> ALL RIGHT, SO WE ARE GOOD. MOVING ON TO LETTER AND FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D 2744-24 AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF,, INDIANA AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING FUNDS TO REFINANCE CERTAIN CAPITAL EQUIPMENT LEASES AND INCIDENTAL EXPENSES IN CONNECTION THEREWITH AND ON ACCOUNT OF THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF THE 2024 BONDS AND APPROPRIATING THE PROCEEDS DERIVED FROM THE SALE OF SUCH BONDS. SPONSORED BY

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A MOTION? ON N? >> MOVED TO INTRODUCE.

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT, COUNSELOR TAYLOR.

>> THIS ORDINANCE AUTHORIZES THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS TO THE CITY TO BE PAYABLE FROM AN AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAX FOR THE PURPOSE OF REFINANCING CERTAIN OUTSTANDING CAPITAL EQUIPMENT LEASES IN ORDER TO PROVIDE INTEREST COST SAVINGS TO THE CITY AND PAYING COSTS OF THE ISSUANCE OF SUCH

BONDS. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ZACH, THIS WILL BE GOING TO FINANCE COMMITTEE, SO ANY , COUNSELOR TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD?

>> I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT IT FREES UP OVER $2 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND SO THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE CITY CAN FOCUS ON FULLY FUNDING PUBLIC SAFETY AND ALSO CREATES NET PRESENT VALUE OF SAVINGS OF OVER $366,000.

>> ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT? ALL RIGHT, THIS WILL BE GOING TO FINANCE COMMITTEE. M. I WAS

[14.m. First Reading of Ordinance D-2741-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 2, Article 6, Sections 2-301, 2-302 and 2-303, of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen.]

CITY CODE. >> MOVED TO INTRODUCE.

>> PLEASE READ THE SYNOPSIS. >> ASSORTMENTS AMENDS THE BUDGET PROCEDURES OF THE CITY OF CARMEL.

>> ALL RIGHT. ZACH, ANYTHING TO ADD? A QUESTIONS FOR THAT? --

[14.o. First Reading of Ordinance D-2745-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Adding Chapter 6, Article 5, Section 6-84 to the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Worrell, Minnaar, Joshi, Ayers and Taylor. ]

ZACH ? >> HAPPY TO EXPLAIN BUT THIS WILL BE GOING TO FINANCE COMMITTEE.

>> NOW WE ARE AT O. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2745-24 AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, ADDING CHAPTER 6, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 6-84 TO THE CARMEL CITY CODE. CAN I GET A MOTION? SECOND. SYNOPSIS.

>> ORDINANCE PROHIBITING RECKLESS DRIVING EXHIBITIONS.

>> ALL RIGHT. COUNSELOR WORRELL? CHIEF. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE PROHIBITING WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING SPINNERS AND STREET TAKEOVER GANGS WHICH HAVE BEEN SEEN LOCALLY IN INDIANAPOLIS. BOTH INDIANAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS AS WELL AS THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE HAVE PASSED SIMILAR ORDINANCES TO TAKE A STRONGER STANCE AGAINST THESE GROUPS. IT ALSO PROVIDES SOME DEFINITIONS ON THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE POLICE CHIEF? COUNSELOR WORRELL.

>> SO, DO WE TAKE THEIR VEHICLE, IMPOUNDED, OR WHAT IS

THE PENALTY? >> SHANE HAS WORKED WITH THE LEGAL TEAM. SAMANTHA CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO IT, AS WELL.

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR THE TOWING OF THE VEHICLE IN THE FIRST FINE WOULD BE $250 IN ANY FINE AFTER HIS $2500 SO IT WOULD NOT BE IMPOUNDING IT. IT IS A TOWING, THEY THEM WILL GO TO THE TOWING COMPANY TO GET THE VEHICLE

BACK. >> SO, WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, ONE OF THE COMMENTS I RECEIVED WAS TO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DOING THIS TO 50 IS NO BIG DEAL BUT YOU STILL GET

THEIR CAR. >> ON THE FIRST OFFENSE YOU STILL GET THE CAR IN THE FOLLOWING OFFENSE IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER SO THERE IS A DETERRENT EFFECT.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR SNYDER.

>> MAYBE I'M TIRED, BUT IF YOU TELL THEIR CAR, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE INDIVIDUAL? DO THEY GO TO JAIL? SOUNDS LIKE IT'S JUST A

FINE. >> AT THIS POINT, IT WOULD JUST

BE A FINE. >> WHAT HAPPENS? YOU LEAVE THEM

ON THE ROAD? >> THAT WOULD BE INHUMANE TO DO THAT SO WE WOULD NOT JUST LEAVE THEM ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WE WOULD TRY TO GET TRANSPORTATION FOR THEM WHETHER IT BE A FRIEND ARE OFTEN TIMES WE WOULD TRANSPORT PEOPLE TO A SAFE PLACE SO WE WOULD NOT JUST LEAVE THEM ON THE SIDE OF THE

ROAD. >> COUNSELOR TAYLOR.

>> MY MIND GOES TO JUST COMMENT. IS THIS TOUGH ENOUGH? DO WE NEED TO -- I MEAN , HAS THIS CONTINUE TO HAPPEN IN

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MECHANISMS OF THIS ORDINANCE? >> I THINK THAT COULD BE A CONSIDERATION. THIS IS A FIRST STEP TOWARD THAT. WHAT I THINK IS TRULY GOING TO HAPPEN IS THIS IS SORT OF A BAND-AID UNTIL THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. I'M CERTAIN THIS WIL COME UP.

INDIANAPOLIS IS NOT THE ONLY CITY THAT HAS BEEN SEEING THIS ACTIVITY AND I THINK IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THAT TIME SO THIS IS A STOPGAP MEASURE BUT IF WE WERE TO VOTE ON THIS OR IF YOU WERE TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, IT DOES NOT GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY. THERE IS A WAITING PERIOD FOR THE PUBLICATION, AND I WILL BE TIME THEN AFTER THAT BEEN FURTHER IF YOU DECIDED THAT YOU WANTED TO TAKE ADDITIONAL ACTION BEYOND WHAT IS IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.

>> AND I HAD A FOLLOW-UP , JUST SOMEWHAT RELATED BUT NOT EXACTLY, SO IN FISHERS, THEY ARE STRUGGLING WITH A LOT OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR PROBLEMS WITH SOME OF THE PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURES. I WAS WANTING TO ALSO SEE IF, AS WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT, IF WE ARE ONE, HAVING THAT PROBLEM IN TWO, IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF ORDINANCE WE SHOULD ENACT TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, BEHAVIOR WE DON'T WANT HIM LOITERING , DRUG, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS WITHIN OUR PARKING GARAGES.

>> I WILL LET THE CHIEF SPEAK TO ACTIVITY THAT WE ARE SEEING.

THE ONE MEASURE I WOULD SAY IS THAT THIS IS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY BECAUSE WE CANNOT REGULATE IN PRIVATE. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH A PRIVATE OPERATOR SO IF THOSE WERE PRIVATE PARKING STRUCTURES, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS SEPARATELY TO HAVE A SEPARATE

ORDINANCE FOR THAT. >> YEAH.

>> DO YOU HAVE A RESPONSE FOR THAT?

>> TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE CONCERN ABOUT ISSUES AND PARKING GARAGES, IT IS SOMETHING WE MONITOR PRETTY CLOSELY. IT IS A PRIORITY OF THE MAYOR SHORTLY AFTER SHE AND I TOOK OFFICE SO IT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE LOOKING AT IN THE EARLY SPRING, INTO THE SUMMER. WE ARE NOT SEEING ANY SIGNIFICANT ISSUES IN THE PARKING GARAGES. NOR DO WE EXPECT ANY. WE HAVE A PRETTY SOLID PRESENCE THERE BETWEEN OUR CFOS AND SWORN POLICE OFFICERS SO AT THIS TIME IT COULD BE A STANCE WE DECIDE TO TAKE BUT WE ARE NOT SEEING

ANYTHING LEAD THAT WAY. >> COUNSELOR SNYDER.

>> WITH THIS ORDINANCE GOES THROUGH AND IT IS A $250 FINE, IS THAT ALSO -- IS THE MOVING VIOLATION ATTACHED TO THAT? I MEAN, I AM THINKING IF I AM NOT DOING SOMETHING AND NOT ME, BUT SOMEBODY, I'D RATHER PAY $250 AND GET POINTS ON MY LICENSE.

THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT DEAL TO ME.

>> SO INDIANA CODE, I BELIEVE, HOUSE RECKLESS DRIVING , AN APPLICATION FOR RECKLESS DRIVING AND THOSE ARE POINTS THAT IF THOSE WERE TACKED ON TO THIS YES THERE WOULD STILL BE

POINTS. >> THAN WHAT YOU IN THEORY BE PAYING A FIND ON THE TICKET, ONE GOING TO THE COURTS, ONE

GOING -- >> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT TO GIVE YOU A CLEAR ANSWER,

THOUGH. >> THANK YOU.

>> COUNSELOR LOCKE. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION THERE.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT LEADS INTO YOU CAN STILL ENFORCE THE RECKLESS DRIVING CHARGE HIGHER THAN THAT BUT IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY PROHIBITS THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THAT OR GIVES YOU ANOTHER TOOL BEFORE THAT , I WOULD LOVE TO KIND OF KNOW HOW THAT PLAYS OUT BUT I THINK, BASED ON THE READING OF IT , IT WOULD APPLY AND YOU CAN APPLY THE CRIMINAL OR MISDEMEANOR FELONY CHARGES TIED TO IT RELATED TO BEHAVIOR , BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF THERE IS ANY PROHIBITION AGAINST THAT.

EITHER PICK ONE OR THE OTHER IF YOU GET THE THRESHOLD OF THE

CRIMINAL CHARGE REGARDLESS. >> CORRECT OR BECAUSE THIS IS AN ORDINANCE VERSUS STATE CODE, THEORETICALLY YOU COULD STACK AND HAVE MULTIPLE OFFENSES. THIS IS MORE TOWARD THE ORGANIZED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OF THESE GROUPS.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS CAN GO TO COMMITTEE OR MOTION TO SUSPEND.

>> MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES. >> SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THE SUSPENSION HAS BEEN

APPROVED 8-0. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> DISCUSSION?

>> PLEASE VOTE. >> YOU SAID THIS COULD STILL BE

AMENDED BEFORE? THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, IT'S BEEN

[16.a. DORA Signage Approval Remains in the Land Use and Special Studies Committee]

[03:40:16]

BUSINESS. THE DORA SIGNAGE. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

WE'VE SENT IT OUT OF COMMITTEE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY SIGNAGE, I GUESS.

>> YEAH, I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THIS ON THERE. IS THE DORA COMMITTEE READING BACK THE LAND USE? IS THAT WHY THIS IS ON

THERE? >> I DID NOT MAKE THIS AGENDA BUT JESSICA AND I TALKED ABOUT IT AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS NO FINAL ACTION FROM THE LAND USE COMMITTEE UP OR DOWN BUT DOES NOT MEAN THE PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNCIL CANNOT REMOVE IT FROM COMMITTEE, AND DISPOSE OF IT AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS ANYTHING TO VOTE ON. THE ISSUE WAS SENT TO COMMITTEE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY RESOLUTION ON IT.

>> I AM SO FRUSTRATED. THIS SHOULD BE ENACTED.

>> ALL RIGHT THEN LET'S -- I WILL PULL IT FROM THE LAND USE COMMITTEE AND LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

>> ARE WE ACKNOWLEDGING IT OR IMPROVING IT? WHAT IS THE

ACTION HERE? >> THERE IS NO ACTION.

>> I MOVE TO TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA.

>> JUST DO THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. THE LAST CONVERSATION I HAD WITH SERGE, HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SIGNAGE. I DISAGREED BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED A DESIGN. ALL THE STATE IS INTERESTED IN IS THE LOCATION OF THE SIGNS THEN WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND CREATED THE ADVISORY DORA COMMITTEE THAT WILL BECOME THE OFFICIAL DORA COMMITTEE . I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED. IF IT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED, WHY HASN'T IT BEEN SUBMITTED? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISCONNECT IS.

>> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS -- I AM WAITING ON ONE MORE APPOINTMENT AND I AM WILLING TO MEET WITH SERGE PRESENT AND FIND OUT WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AS

QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. >> SAMANTHA, YOU HAVE ANYTHING?

>> I THINK AT THIS POINT ALL WE NEED IS A DESIGN TO ADD TO THE AGENCY APPLICATION. IT CAN BE AMENDED AT A LATER DATE BUT THAT IS WHAT WE NEED SO THAT WE CAN GET IT OVER TO THE ATC AND HAVE THEM THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON IT.

>> IS IT DOES IT HAVE TO COME FROM THE COMMITTEE, OR CUT THE ADVISORY DORA COMMITTEE OR CAN WE JUST VOTE ON IT ?

>> I THINK YOU CAN VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.

>> DOES THE STATUTE CALL FOR COUNSELOR COMMITTEE APPROVAL?

>> I WILL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT BUT THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN SO THAT THERE IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THOSE STEPS BUT THE COUNCIL HAS FINAL APPROVAL.

>> BUT, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COMMITTEE IS NOT CODIFIED UNTIL THE ATC APPROVES OUR DISTRICT AND I THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE AND I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. MY CONVERSATIONS WITH ATC'S COUNSEL, THEY'VE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT IS I NEVER . AND IN ONCE I'VE SUBMITTED ON BEHALF OF OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE NEVER HAD A DESIGN. ONE OF THEM IS A GOOGLE MAP WITH CRAYON DOTS. I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS GOTTEN SO COMPLICATED.

>> CAN WE SUBMIT THAT? >> YES.

>> SO DO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO VOTE ON TONIGHT?

>> IF IT ONLY REQUIRES THE LOCATIONS OF THE SIGNS IN THE LAND USE COMMITTEE DETERMINED WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS COULD BE IN THEIR DISCUSSION, WE COULD APPROVE THE LOCATIONS OF THE SIGNAGE AS DISCUSSED IN THE LAND USE COMMITTEE SO SHE CAN FILE THE ATC. BUT THAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE.

>> I MOVE -- THE DESIGN AND THE LOOK WOULD STILL BE LATER UNDECIDED. WE'RE NOT DECIDING THAT TONIGHT, RIGHT?

>> WE NEED A DESIGN. >> I MOVE THAT OUR DESIGN BE

SUBMITTED. >> IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH? CAN I GET A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. LET'S MAKE IT OFFICIAL. COME ON, JACOB. YEAH, PLEASE DO. PLEASE DO. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED A DESIGN. YEAH.

[03:45:12]

>> I GET WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE.

>> WHAT? >> CURRENTLY AT THE END OF THE SEASON? SO I'M LOOKING AT KELLY. KELLY, ARE YOU -- SO, I WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE ARE NOT JUST DOING SOMETHING HERE .

ARE WE AT THE END OF THE SEASON? ARE YOU WAITING ON DORA TO BE EFFECTIVE FOR A FESTIVAL OR SOME OTHER ACTIVITY?

>> YEAH. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY. CHRIS KENDALL IS UNAFFECTED BY DOOR AT ALL, IS IT?

>> OKAY ALL RIGHT. THEN THAT IS DISCUSSION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T -- OKAY, I -- HERE IT IS.

>> TO HIS DEFENSE, IT WAS TONGUE-IN-CHEEK A LITTLE BUT LET'S MOVE IT BUT CONCEPTUALLY, ENSURING THAT WE ARE -- BECAUSE WHEN THE DORA IS SUBMITTED THEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING FOR THE VENDORS IN THE RIGHT WAY SO IF THAT HITS IN MARKET RELATED CROSS, IT PUTS US -- IF WE ARE GOOD TO GO, WE ARE GOOD TO GO.

>> YOU ARE HESITANT ON HAVING YOUR DESIGN --

>> JUST TO CLARIFY. >> SO WE ARE SUBMITTING SOMETHING JUST WE CAN GET STATE APPROVAL AND THEN LATER ON, THE ACTUAL DESIGN, WE HAVE ASSURANCES THAT IT STILL GETS

APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE. >> THE DESIGN IS GOING TO COME AT THE DIRECTION OF THE DORA COMMITTEE.

>> SO THEY STILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY IN IT. WE'RE JUST GETTING THE BALL ROLLING. I'M FINE WITH THAT.

>> SO, WE CAN TEMPORARILY USE THE SIGN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US AT COUNSEL UNTIL -- OKAY. OKAY.

>> WE HAVE COUNSELOR LOCKE'S DESIGN , SO WE HAVE SOMETHING.

ALL RIGHT. NOW PEOPLE WILL MAKE FUN OF, NOW WITH THAT BUT WHATEVER, DON'T CARE. I MEAN I DO CARE BUT ANYWAYS. SO . WE HAD DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. YOU STAYING? WELL BECAUSE YOU DREW IT. I GET THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING MOVING

FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> SO, COUNSELOR WORRELL, THE KIND OF THUMBNAIL THROUGH. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION OR MAYBE THINK THROUGH. I FELLMAN NAILED THROUGH KNOWING OR BODY ESTIMATED TIME TO GET THROUGH THESE AND I WENT FOUR HOURS. I FULLY ANTICIPATE A BUDGET DISCUSSION TO BE FOUR HOURS. IF WE START AT 6:00, THAT PUTS US

UP -- GO AHEAD. >> I WAS DOING MATH, GO AHEAD.

>> 2:00 A.M. I DON'T KNOW HOW -- I JUST WOULD LIKE TO THINK THROUGH HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TACKLE SOME OF THESE. A NUMBER OF THESE ORDINANCES, I KNOW , I'VE GOT A ZILLION

QUESTIONS ABOUT. >> DO WE HAVE A PLAN B, YOU KNOW, IN CASE FOR SOME REASON WE CAN'T GET IT DONE OCTOBER

14TH? >> HOLD ON, COUNSELOR TAYLOR.

>> HAVE TO, SO WE ARE PLANNING ON APPROVING THE BUDGET ON THE 21ST. IS THAT CORRECT, PRESIDENT?

>> MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE MAY BE START AT 5:00 ON THE 14TH OR EARLIER AND THEN AS A BACKUP, WE SCHEDULE A SECOND MEETING PRIOR TO OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 21ST TO

FINALIZE EARLIER IN THE DAY. >> THAT'S A GREAT PLAN. OKAY,

SO IT IS 5:00 ON THE 14TH. >> SORRY, ONE CLARIFICATION.

ARE YOU ADVERTISING FINANCE AT 5:00 OR ADVERTISING --

>> COUNSEL OF THE HOLE AT 5:00. THE FINANCE MEETING FOLLOWING.

>> OKAY, AND THEN WILL YOU HAVE SET -- I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE GET TO FINANCE FRANKLY WITH EVERYTHING.

>> YEAH, WE MAY NOT BUT WE HAVE TO NOTICE IT AND THEN WE WILL MEET PRIOR TO -- WE WILL RENOTICE IT WHEN WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. WE WILL PLAN ON THE 14TH AT 5:00 AND THEN ON THE 21ST AND THEN COUNSELOR WORRELL WILL SET IT ACCORDINGLY BASED ON HOW MUCH TIME WE NEED ON THE 21ST . AND

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>> ALL RIGHT, WE GOOD WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM 17, ANNOUNCEMENTS. ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? COUNSELOR

SNYDER? >> I JUST THINK THAT COUNSELOR LOCKE MISSED A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO HASHTAG INAUDIBLE ]

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