[1. Docket No. PZ-2024-00028 PUD: Towne 146 PUD Rezone.] [00:00:11] >> GOOD EVENING WELCOME TO THE COMMISSION MEETING ON THURSDAY NOVEMBER 7TH 2024. THE FIRST ITEM THIS EVENING'S DOCKET NUMBER PC 2020 400028 146. THE APPLICANT SEEKS REZONING APPROVAL TO ALLOW A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTING OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. LOCATED AT 2275 WEST 46TH STREET ZONED AS ONE RESIDENCE. IS THE PETITIONER READY. >> I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM IN NELSON. THE PETITIONER THIS EVENING. OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TEAM ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THIS IS OUR THIRD APPEARANCE IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE. AND SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER THE COMMISSION IN AUGUST AT THE CONCLUSION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, I WON'T JUMP AHEAD. THERE ARE SEVERAL OUTSTANDING ITEMS STAFF IDENTIFIED VIA PROJECT DOCKETS FROM THE TIME THE STAFF REPORT WENT OUT UNTIL THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE RECEIVED FROM STAFF PRIMARILY WHERE THE FOREST WAS THE ALTERNATIVE COORDINATOR SPEAKING FOR SOME ADJUSTMENTS ON THE PATHWAY. THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT WITH STAFF BUT I WILL START OUT WITH IDENTIFIED WITH PAGE 4 FOR THE STAFF REPORT OUTSTANDING COMMENTS FROM STAFF. THE FIRST WAS TO ADD SEVERAL LOCATIONS ALONG THE PART OF THE NORTH SOUTH STREET AND A HALF STAFF CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG -- I BELIEVE THAT'S IN THESE LOCATIONS HERE. ALONG THE EDGE AND BRINGING THAT DOWN SOUTH AND CONNECTING THEM WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR THE CONNECTIVITY HERE. THOSE LOCATIONS WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. REGARDING SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY. BETWEEN THE PATH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 146TH STRAIGHT. WE HAVE ONE CONNECTION HERE. ADDING A SECOND POINT. WE GET CROSSWAYS. WE CAN HAVE THE SIDEWALKS TO THAT SATISFACTION OF STAFF. THE OTHER WAS IDENTIFYING THREE-FOOT SIDEWALKS THOSE WERE LOCATED HERE TO CONNECT THOSE FRONT DOORS IN THOSE BUILDINGS. DAVID IS INDICATING THE MINERALS STANDARD HAS THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK WERE MAKING SURE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK FROM SOMEBODY'S FRONT DOOR TO THE STREET. NOT TO THE INDIVIDUAL FRONT DOOR IN AN EVENT THAT IT IS, WE CAN FOLLOW THAT STANDARD. GOING TO THE FRONT DOOR AND EITHER THE DRIVEWAY, OR THE STREET. DETERMINED WHAT THAT IS. SOMETHING UNLESS WE ARE AT ODDS WITH DAVID ASKING FOR THE COMMITTEE TO TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME DELIBERATING. IS TO REMOVE THE REAR YARD DRAINAGE INTO THE WETLAND PRESERVATION. WITHIN THE SPACE THAT AFFECTS THESE LOTS. TODAY THERE IS A WETLAND AREA AND THE [00:05:04] ORDINANCE SAYS THERE NEEDS TO BE A 50 FOOT BUFFER ZONE AROUND THAT WETLAND AREA. THE MOST ENCOURAGEMENT THOSE LOTS HAVE, THEY DO NOT PUSH INTO THE WETLAND AREA AT ALL. JUST 23 FEET AND THIS LOCATION OF THIS LOT RIGHT HERE 23 FEET GETTING CLOSE WE WILL MODIFY THE STREET HERE IN THIS AREA AND PULLED OUT LOT ENTIRELY OUT OF THAT BUFFER ZONE. THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN WITH ENGINEERING THOSE FOLKS WHO WOULD DO THAT ARE STANDING IN THEIR LANE THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE WELL AWARE. HAVE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT AND SPECIAL STANDARDS. WE ADJUST THESE LOTS ACCORDINGLY THOSE LOTS ALONG THE PERIMETER ARE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER LOTS IN DEVELOPMENT THE OTHER LOTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT ARE ON THE BACK SIDE. THESE FEW LOTS ADJACENT TO THE WETLAND AREA WOULD DRAIN INTO THAT WETLAND SPACE. COMING UP AT THE BACKEND CHARGING INTO IT. THE FEW LOTS ADJACENT TO THE WETLAND AREA INTO THE WETLAND SPACE. JUST AS IT DOES TODAY, NOT CUT OFF. FEEDING THE WETLAND SPACE. THE FOURTH COMMENT WAS REGARDING TOM TIGHTENING UP SOME OF THE ANTI-MONOTONY PROVISION. ALONG 346 RIGHT HERE ONE ON THE SIDE WITH THE INTERIOR TO THE SITE. THERE'S NOT MANY BUILDINGS AND THEY ARE NOT TOO LONG. IF WERE TALKING ABOUT ANTI-MONOTONY PROVISIONS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHANGES THIS BUILDING WOULDN'T BE THE SAME COLOR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT BLUE VERSUS GREEN. IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT COMBINATION IN SHADES THAT ARE COMPLEMENTARY TO ONE ANOTHER. GETTING THE DESIGN BEFORE WORKING WITH STAFF GETTING UP ON THOSE ANTI-MONOTONY PROVISIONS. I CAN BOIL DOWN THE FRONT OF THOSE TWO-STORY BUILDINGS. GET AN EXAMPLE OF NOT PUT UP IN FRONT OF YOU. STAFF IS ASKED IF THEY'RE TAKING THAT AND CAN GO MODIFY IT WITH JUST ONE BAND ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT END. THERE IS A VARIETY ACROSS THAT. CRAVING THAT LONG EXPANDS. IT IS TODAY. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS A LOT OF WALL. THOSE ARE THREE-STORY BUILDINGS. JUST CREATES A WALL. IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR SOME OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED LOTS. INTERIOR TO THE SITES. COMING UP ALONG THE PERIMETER. WE'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH [00:10:03] THAT WITH STAFF ADDRESSING SOME OF THE PROVISIONS. COMING UP IN THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED SPHERE. IS GOING TO REDUCE SOME OF THE HOMES THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE WITH PORCHES ON THE SCIENCE FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT. OUT OF THOSE 12 HOMES THERE WOULD BE SOME AND WE CAN ACCOMMODATE. WHERE THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED WITH THE SIX FOOT REPORTS FROM FRAMING. IT WOULD BE SHORT OF IT. ON THE FRONT OF THE PORCH WHICH THEY TYPICALLY ARE. A CIRCULAR MARK. THAT CIRCULAR COLUMN IS APPROACHING THAT SPACE TO CALM ACROSS THE FRONT EDGE. THERE MAY BE A COLUMN AT THE PORCH SUPPORTING THAT PORCH ELEMENT. IS NOT AN EIGHT FOOT PORCH WITH COLUMN SIX BUT BEYOND THE CALL ON. BE SIX FOOT PORCH GETTING INTO THAT AS I DESCRIBED IT TO STAFF EARLIER I FELT LIKE THEY WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE SATISFYING CREATING ADEQUATE SPACE. IT'S NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE SEATING ON THAT FRONT PORCH., NUMBER SIX WAS TO ADDRESS THE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS IN A COMMON AREA PLANNED BY THE PUD. THIS IS THE PLAN WE PROVIDED. COMING UP WITH STAFF COMMENTS. PAGE 2. I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM HIM IS HE WANTS THIS PLAN INTO THE PUD. TALKING ABOUT THOSE EXHIBITS. YOU BACK CONCEPT PLAN SHOWS YOU THE OVERALL LAYOUT. THE ROAD FELT A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THAT'S WHAT WE SEE HERE. WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT SITUATION DOING EXACTLY THIS. BECAUSE THERE WILL BE ADJUSTMENTS MADE AND WE COME BACK ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. DEFINE ITEM, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IN THE STAFF REPORT WAS OUTSTANDING COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS AS I DESCRIBED EARLIER. COMING UP ON CONNECTIVITY AND THE LANDSCAPING PIECES. ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT ARCHITECTURE. THOSE ITEMS ARE COMPLETED TO SATISFACTION. THERE WAS ROUGHLY 15 WHEN THE STAFF REPORT WENT OUT THURSDAY WITH ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THERE WAS A COUPLE ADDITIONAL ONES BETWEEN A STAFF REPORT AND NOW. COMING UP THIS AFTERNOON -- IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD FIND IT ACCEPTABLE AFTER WE DISCUSSED THE ITEMS TONIGHTS, WE WOULD SEEK THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION AND GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE WILL WORK DILIGENTLY WITH STAFF BETWEEN NOW AND THE STAFF REPORT TO GO OUT AND IN THE EVENT THERE WAS ITEMS THE STAFF DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE ADDRESSED TO THEIR SATISFACTION, WE COME BACK IN DECEMBER AND GO AFTER WE REVIEWED THOSE COMMENTS I JUST [00:15:03] DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME. OF COURSE YOU ASK STAFF THOSE QUESTIONS AS WELL. YOU COME UP IN THE COMMITTEE WITH DIFFERENT DISCRETION BEFORE WE RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION NOT THAT THEY WOULD ADDRESS THAT. THEY ADJUST THE SATISFACTION. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. THANK YOU. THE PETITIONER WENT THROUGH THE REPORT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF THOSE I WILL BE INTERESTED TO WORK WITH THEM THAT'S REGARDING THE TOWNHOMES AND HOW WE ACCOMMODATE THAT VARIETY THEY GET KIND OF LONG. I WOULD DIDN'T WANT TO GET RID OF THAT SCOPE FOR OTHER UNITS. THAT'S THE SECOND FLOOR AND SOME AREAS FOR THE STUDENTS ESPECIALLY. AND THEN -- THEY'VE AGREED TO THOSE SIX PORCHES. COMING UP FOR THE NEW LAYOUT. COMING UP OFF OF THAT. >> OKAY. WILL TALK WITH ENGINEERING ABOUT THAT TOO. ESPECIALLY THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER THEY ARE SHOWING ON THAT CONCEPT PLAN IS ADVISED WHEN THEY COME IN FOR THE PRIMARY OR THE SECONDARY THEY GET INTO THE DESIGN AND THE ASPECT OF IT THAT'S BIG ENOUGH AND THEY DON'T NEED MORE SPACE, OR THEY WANT TO GET SOME OF THE CITY STANDARDS. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID. COMING UP FOR THE PROPOSED LAYOUT. OTHER THAN THAT -- THEY'VE TWEAKED A LOT OF THINGS MADE A LOT OF CHANGES. YOU LIKE THIS LAYOUT THEY ARE PROPOSING WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE LARGER TENSION PLANETS BETTER FOR WATER QUALITY AND THE ADMINISTRATOR AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE SEEN IT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY -- THEY SHARE THE RETENTIN POND. ONE DEVELOPMENT WILL MAINTAIN RIGHT THERE OUTSIDE OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT ON THE NEAR SIDE OF THE POND. I THINK IT CAN WORK THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY MEANING THE DISTRICT TOO. WE ARE SUPPORT -- IN SUPPORT OF THE CURRENT LAYOUT AND THE LOT SIZES. WE'VE KIND OF BEEN OVER THIS. THEY MAINTAIN THE SINGLE-FAMILY TOWNHOMES. EVEN IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. AT THE PETITIONER CAN ADDRESS OUR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION MEETING, WE CAN SUPPORT GOING TO THE COMMISSION. >> WE CAN ADDRESS THAT ABOUT THE TREES. THE AREA WHERE TREES WOULD BE ALONG THE PERIMETER RIGHT HERE THE LINE SEPARATES THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT HERE. THE TOP OF THE EXISTING POND. WE HAD A TREE SURVEY DONE IN THE WETLAND AREA IS 15 TREES [00:20:10] BETWEEN THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE THE TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING POND. ONE OF THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HE WOULD LIKE THE PETITIONER TO AGREE ON THE COMMON AREAS PER ACRE AND THE PETITIONERS AGREED TO DO THAT THEY WOULD OFFSET IN SOME MULTIPLES I THINK 15 TREES THAT WOULD BE MOVED ALONG THAT EDGE THAT'S THE BUFFER BETWEEN TWO AREAS THAT INCLUDE THE DIMENSIONS. COMING UP WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A ADDITION TO STREET TREES AND PRESERVING THE EXISTING TREES IN THE WETLANDS ON SITE THIS YEAR. 10 ADDITIONAL TREES PER ACRE. THE SHADE TREES. >> I'M OPENING THIS UP TO THE COMMUNITY. A COUPLE SIMPLE QUESTIONS FIRST. I KNOW WERE DOING THE MAINSTREAM ALL THE WAY AROUND THEY HAVE THE TWO-STORY HOUSE LOOKS LIKE THE MASONRY IS JUST DOWN THE FRONT. THERE'S A WAY WE CAN UPDATE THE PICTURES. THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD OFF OF TOWN. STONE ON THE FRONT AND BRICK AROUND THE SIDE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? >> WE HAVE THEM RIGHT INTO THAT. IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FRONT FACING, THERE WAS A SETBACK BRINGING THE BRICK BETWEEN THE STONE. GRADES ADD ON. SAME OFF OF THE SITE. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE. ANY QUESTIONS? >> OKAY. ALSO SIMILAR IN SECTION 9.4 YOU'VE GOT THIS WAIVER WHERE YOU CAN COME BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION FOR 35% AND WAIVER A SPECIFIC STANDARD. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT UNTIL THIS ONE WHICH IS UP NEXT. ONCE THE REASON FOR ADDING THAT IN THERE? I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PAST. IDENTIFYING THE AREA WHERE BELIEVED IT WAS NECESSARY. IS IT THE SAME THING? >> IT'S IDENTICAL TO A VARIANCE THAT'S A QUESTION WE BRING. STILL HAS PUBLIC HEARING. IN THE EVENT THAT YOU HAVE -- AT THE PETITIONER IS BEING ASKED TO ELIMINATE IT. >> I'VE BEEN MISSING IT ALL THESE YEARS, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT AND A LOT OF THEM IN THE WHOLE POINT TO HAVE THIS LONG DISCUSSION IS TO AGREE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. I WILL REFER TO STAFFS. TO GIVE YOU A CONTEXT -- IF NOT, ALL THE OVERLAYS -- 31 REWRITTEN INTO THE MC INTO THE OVERLAY. IT'S IF THAT PROVISION EXISTS. >> YOU CAN TOTALLY SEE IT IN THOSE AREAS HERE I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT. YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THAT -- SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. YOU HAVE THE ORDER. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT STUFF? >> THEY MIGHT'VE PULLED IT FROM THE OVERLAY. WITHOUT [00:25:05] LAMENT OF 35%. IF THE STANDARD WAS A FRONT SETBACK. SEEING IT COME THROUGH. COMING THROUGH TWICE AND AGAIN THEIR STANDERS IN THE COMMUNITY YOU HAVE TO PROVE. IT'S LIKE A VARIANCE IF YOU JUST STREAMLINE THINGS THE STAFF IS SUPPORTED AND WENT DELIBERATE OVER THE QUESTION. COMING OFF OF THE PDS. COMING UP IN THE COMMITTEE. IT'S A VARIANCE THAT WOULD ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO GET TO THE ANSWER? >> THERE'S FINDINGS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE AND BE AUTHORIZED THAT NEED TO BE DONE. I DIDN'T SAY IMMEDIATELY. WE CAN DO THAT BUT TODAY AT LEAST IT'S A SENSE THERE IS A COMMUNITY PROCESS. WE HAVE TO DO THAT WITH TWO MEETINGS AND TWO PROCESSES NOT BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THE WAY WE DID THAT. PLANNING THE STAFF TO CIRCULATE THAT QUESTION. THE COUNCIL GOT IT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT'S IN PLACE IT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND TEXT THEM IN THE PROCESS. >> I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION. IF WE CAN TAKE IT OUT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I DO APPRECIATE THE APPROVED WATER QUALITY ASPECT. AS I THINK THROUGH THE LOGISTICS AM NOT 100% ON BOARD RIGHT NOW IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT. YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPER THAT DOESN'T HAVE THEIR OWN HLA YET AND HASN'T BEEN TRANSITIONS SINCE THE NEIGHBOR IS STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT IS EVERYBODY AWARE THAT THE POND WILL BECOME A SHARED POND WITH ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD? WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING THAT I'M AWARE OF. I'M SURE THEY ARE VERY AWARE OF THIS. HAS THIS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THEM? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT HASN'T BEEN ACTIVATED YET SO IT'S STILL CONTROLLED. THERE IS NO INDIVIDUAL COMMUNICATION SEND OUT TO ALL OF THE OWNERS TO CALL THEIR ATTENTION TO THIS PROPOSAL. >> IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL. YOU'RE TAKEN OUT AND YOU REALLY DO IT AND CREATES THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU SEE THOSE TORN OUT AND THEY DON'T KNOW IT'S HAPPENING. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. >> I LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT AS WELL. I HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. JUST BEAR WITH ME. I HAVE TWO FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES. I CANNOT AGREE WITH CHRISTINE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE HLA HAS NOT BEEN ACTIVE. THEY WILL NOT HAVE A VOICE IN THIS DECISION. THAT'S MY FIRST FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE. OUR FIRST FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE ARE THE TREES. WHAT WOULD YOU LOSE IF YOU KEEP THE TREES AND KEEP THAT POND SEPARATED. THE THIRD ISSUE WHICH GOES BACK TO MY CONCERN WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE DEALING WITH HOAS THANK YOU BE FRIENDLY, OR NOT FRIENDLY. BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. SEVERE ISSUES. I HAVE A PERSONAL FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE. [00:30:04] >> IS THERE A SIZE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CRACKS YOU ASK ABOUT THE POND I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE SIZE OF THE POND? >> IT'S A SHARED POND. THAT'S THE SUPER CASS. IS ONE POND RATHER THAN TWO. AND EVER CAUGHT ON TO THAT. AND EVER CAUGHT UP TO THE NOMENCLATURE. >> TWO SEPARATE PONDS COMPLETE SEPARATE PALMS ONE BELONGING TO WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO NAME THIS. COMING UP HAVING THEIR OWN CONTROL. I'M NOT A DRAINAGE EXPERT. ONLY THAT WE WOULD -- THEY LOOKED AT A PLAN THAT WASN'T THE PLAN THAT WAS PREFERRED. WE PRESENTED IT AT THE LAST MEETING. >> YOU PRESENTED THIS AS YOUR PREFERRED OPTION. I ASKED TO SEE WHAT THE OTHER OPTION LOOKED LIKE AND YOU SHOWED IT. WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS, WE WANT TO KNOW HOW DO THE NEIGHBORHOODS FEEL ABOUT THIS? WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM. ARE THEY AWARE THIS IS EVEN BEING DISCUSSED? >> IS THAT THE COMMISSION? IF THERE WAS -- IF THEY WEREN'T CONNECTED RIGHT HERE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO -- THEY NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT BEING CONNECTED BY THE OTHER PROSPECTS BEING CONNECTED.. QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD. >> I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN. EXPRESSING THAT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT I HAVE TO REMIND US THAT THE STORMWATER ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CITY SAYS THIS IS THE PREFERRED MANNER AND SITE DESIGNING STREETS, OR THE NUANCES I UNDERSTAND THE COUNCILWOMAN HAS A STRONG OPINION ABOUT IT. WE REALLY NEED TO DEFER TO THEM. >> I THINK HE SAID IT ORIGINALLY HE DIDN'T HAVE A PREFERENCE. EITHER WAY IT WAS FINE FROM HIS STANDPOINT. THIS IS THE ONE ISSUE AM STRUGGLING WITH RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL THE TREES PRESERVED AND A SEPARATE POND CREATED AND GRADE WATER QUALITY. THEY WOULD ALREADY BE MOVING THERE. THEY ARE AWARE. >> CAN I INTERJECT EVEN IF YOU HAVE OTHER COMMENTS? >> THERE'S GOING TO BE RENTAL RESTRICTIONS. THE BIGGER POND LET'S CALL IT. THEY HAVE A POND AND HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT CONTENTION. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF SOME OF THESE PONDS COULD CREATE THE OTHER. IT GETS SMALLER WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD ON THE SAFETY LATCHES THAT ALLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BIG PRESERVATION TO PASS FOR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. HOWEVER, ALL OF THAT BEING SAID I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO LET FOLKS KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING AND COMMUNICATE. >> ONE OTHER. MOVING AWAY FROM THE WETLAND AREA. MOVING OUT FURTHER. [00:35:10] REROUTING THAT BETWEEN 15 AND 20 FEET. >> EXCUSE ME? >> WAS IN IT THREE ACRES? THEY MAY LOSE SENT IN THE PARK. THE BACKSIDE OF THESE. YOU'RE MAKING ONE COMMON AREA BIGGER AND ONE SMALLER. I'M GOING TO -- WE WILL DO SOME THINKING ABOUT HOW THAT LOOKS LIKE. I KNOW -- >> THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH JUST TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND MAKE SURE. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. COUPLE THOUGHTS ON THIS. WE HAVE STRUGGLED IN THIS PROJECT WE HAVE MET EVERY SINGLE DEMAND THIS MONTH TOUGH FOR US. I GET THE FACT. THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE POND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE COULD DO, WE CAN GET THAT WITHIN REACH THERE IS THAT SUBJECTIVE MIND. PROBABLY I WOULD RATHER LOOK AT THAT IN THE TREE LINE. IS TREES ARE NOT THE BEST TREES FOR THE WETLANDS. CHANCES ARE IF WE DON'T TAKE THOSE DOWN. WE CAN COME BACK AND UPSIZE THE TREES. ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOME LINE THERE'S SO MUCH YOU CAN DO WITH THAT BUT WE CAN LOOK AT UPSIZING THE TREES AND CREATE AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S LOOKING ACROSS THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF WATER. IT'S INCREDIBLY PAINFUL AND DIFFICULT. WE HAVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER DUMB ANOTHER JOINT VENTURE AND DEVELOPMENTS ACROSS THE METRO. HOW THIS WILL LOOK FROM A COMMUNICATION PERSPECTIVE VERY RELUCTANT. THEY NEED TO TAKE THAT COMMUNICATION FOR US AND WE SUGGEST THAT WOULD HAPPEN. YOUR MAPS WOULD BE CHANGED PRETTY QUICKLY WE NEED TO REFLECT THAT SO YOU'RE AWARE OF IT. THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF THAT. OTHER THINGS WE TRY TO REACH OUT FOR SUPPORT RIGHT THERE. TREE LOVING KIND OF GUY. LET'S NOT ASK THEM TO DO BIG TREES IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU GET WHAT YOU ASK FOR IN THE BIG TREES DON'T DO THAT AS WELL. THE SMALLER TREES WILL GO QUICKER AND I TOTALLY APPRECIATE WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES -- THIS HAS BEEN A TALKING POINT LATELY WE ASKED TO SAVE TREES. NOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION I DRIVE BY AND UNLIKE WHY DID WE SAVE THOSE TREES? WE SHOULD HAVE SCRAPPED IS TREES AND STARTED OVER WITH A HEALTHY ONE. RATHER THAN GET RID OF STUFF THAT'S BEEN SITTING IN WET MARSH, GET A HEALTHY ECOSYSTEM REESTABLISHED. WHETHER THAT'S SAPLINGS, OR FOUR FOOT OR SIX FOOT TALL TREES THAT ARE GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB. IF WE ASKED THEM TO PUT IN 15 OR 20 FOOT TALL TREES, MY GUESS IS THEY WILL SOURCE THEM AND PUT THEM IN THE TREES WILL HATE HAVING TO DO THAT. THE CITY ARBORIST. [00:40:03] TO JOHN'S POINT. THERE WOULD BE A PROTOCOL TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE THERE IS A PIPE. THEY ARE ALL CONNECTED AS PART OF A WHOLE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. HEALTHY WATER MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THAT ENOUGH. THIS IS YOUR WATER AND I'M GOING TO STICK TO WHAT THE ADMINISTRATOR SAYS. IF I CAN GET A COUPLE ITEMS I WILL STOP GRANDSTANDING. COMING DOWN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS. WHAT THOSE SIDEWALKS COME DOWN AND GO AWAY? MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> THE TREES GET TO STAY IN THE SIDEWALK. THERE IS A SIDEWALK THAT RUNS NORTH TO SOUTH ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHAT YOU CALL A SIDEWALK IS PROBABLY A BETTER ERM FOR IT. I AGREE WITH YOU I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL HARD SURFACE. >> IT'S THE WALK STEPPING OFF OF MY CURB. THE SIDEWALK WE WOULD PREFER IT TO BE THREE. IS THE ONLY THING I CAN FIGURE OUT SO FAR. CALL THAT A MICRO SIDEWALK. THAT TO THE FRONT DOOR IS A SERVICE WALK. IS MORE IMPERVIOUS. THEY POINTED OUT EARLIER THE CONNECTION OF THE TRAIL. ON THIS PATH ALONG 146TH STREET HE HAD ADDITIONAL DIRECTIONS. PULLING THAT UP. AFTER UPDATE THAT. WHEN YOU INTRODUCE THAT I WILL WAIT TO HEAR MORE. ANOTHER ONE IS GREAT. GOING TO ASK ABOUT AND EXPLAIN IT TO ME. IF WE JUST HEARD THAT ONE THING I WONDER ABOUT THE 20 FOOT BUFFER THE LOTS THAT ARE THERE. THERE'S THE WETLAND AND PRESERVATION WITH TREES. AND MIGHT BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT. THERE MAY NEED TO BE A BUFFER BEYOND THAT FOR THESE LOTS ON BOTH SIDES. YOU CAN JUST GET THE APPROVAL. ON THE LOT RATHER THAN THAT. I'M PRETTY CERTAIN WE CAN'T PUT IT HERE. THAT I BELIEVE. THAT'S WHERE THE DRAINAGES. [00:45:12] >> WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE HOAS. WITH THE ACTUAL ONE ITSELF I'M NOT A DRAINAGE EXPERT MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING YOU OR JOHN CAN ANSWER. IT'S BASICALLY THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE POND, NOT THE ACTUAL WATER. COULD YOU COME UP? IS IT HAMILTON COUNTY? APPRECIATE END. IS A MAINTENANCE MANUAL. EXPECTING THEM TO GO IN AND OUT OF THE POND. THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES HOW ARE THOSE AGREEMENTS MET BETWEEN THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS? >> THIS IS PART OF THEIR CCR'S AND IN ADDITION TO THAT THE COUNTY SURVEYOR'S OFFICE WITH AN EXTRA LAYER. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CLARIFICATION I DO APPRECIATE THAT. I WANT TO SAY I AM COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL YOU GUYS PUT WORK INTO THAT. THERE IS THE CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING WE HAVE IN CARMEL. IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO BUY. AND IS A ARRESTED COMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. IN CASE ANYONE DOESN'T KNOW 20% OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE RENTAL. I LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS. ONLY TWO PEOPLE CAN PURCHASE THROUGH THE BUILDINGS AT ANY GIVEN TIME. IS WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND SAY THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD FAITH. ALL MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED. FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING COULD YOU CONFIRM THE NUMBER OF UNITS HAVE NOT CHANGED FROM THE LAST TIME THIS CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION? THEY WERE REDUCED. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT REDUCED NUMBER IT WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR YOUR CONFIRMATION TO THAT. PRETTY SURE WERE IN AGREEMENT ON THE CON SECTION. THERE'S DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. 2-1. [00:50:02] THAT'S WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. I BELIEVE IT LAID THAT OUT NOW IN THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY CASES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS OR IF WE CAN FIND IT. HAMILTON COUNTY REGARDING THAT ONE. IS NOT IN A COMMON AREA FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE MORE MAINTAINED ON THE OUTSIDE. PREFERRING ONE OR TWO. AT THE TIME THEY WERE SIMILAR TO ENGINEERING AND HAD A PREFERENCE. THEY HAD FUN ON THAT LAY OUT. >> I ALWAYS HAVE TROUBLE WITH NOT AN ENGINEER. PUTTING KAYAKS AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT. HOW DOES I COME BACK? WHAT DO THEY USUALLY HAVE? THEIR RECIPROCATION THINGS I DON'T KNOW. I DO REMEMBER EVER COMING THROUGH OFTEN TIMES HAVE BEEN AROUND ALTHOUGH I KNOW WE HAVEN'T. IF IT'S NOT COMMON GROUND -- >> HERE'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM. THERE WAS AN ILLUSTRATION PRESENTED WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF AMENITIES AND WE HAD A KAYAK IN IT. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO PROVIDE AN ACTIVE AMENITY ON THE POND. >> WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING ON THE POND? >> NOT ANY ACTIVE DUTIES SO THEY CAN FISH FROM THE EDGE. THAT ELEMENT ON THE BOARDWALK THEY ARE NOT ASKING. ACTUALLY ASKING WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? IT IS A PICTURE. THEY SAY WE CAN SHOW THEM THAT THEY DISCLAIM. WHAT WE HAVE IS A BOARDWALK ON YOUR PART. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT HAMILTON COUNTY WEIGHS IN. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO -- WE'VE BEEN IN CLOSE COMMUNICATION WITH ENGINEERING. I PREFERRED THIS. IS LIMITED TO WATER QUALITY ISSUES. AND OTHER THINGS I GOT THE SENSE. THINKING AND INVOLVEMENT IN THOSE PREFERENCES. >> GO AHEAD. >> I'M SORRY IF I'M OVERTHINKING THIS, PLEASE FORGIVE ME. IT'S GOING OVER YOUR SIDE OF THE POND AND WILL BE RESIDENCE THAT ARE ABLE TO USE THAT AS WELL. >> EVERYONE. >> THEY'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE. >> IT WILL BE IDENTIFIED WITH PUBLIC ACCESS. THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THOSE DAMAGES AND WILL BE A 50-50 SPLIT. >> THERE WON'T BE ANYBODY SITTING OUT THERE. THE PATH COMES UP ON THE BOARDWALK ACROSS THE YEAR. [00:55:05] COMING UP AT 146TH STREET THERE IS AN EXISTING -- IT MAY NOT BEING CONSTRUCTED YET BUT IT'S ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT MIGHT BE A POSTURE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED YET. THEY UNDERSTAND -- WE WILL REACH OUT AND REQUEST COMMUNICATION FROM THEM. >> ANYBODY ELSE? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD? YOU PROBABLY STEPPING ON WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY HOW MANY ISSUES REMAIN TO BE ADDRESSED TO YOUR SATISFACTION BEFORE WE COME BACK. WE HAD SEVEN IN THE APARTMENT REPORT. THEY JUST NEED TO VERIFY THAT. ON THE SOUTH STREET. [3. Docket No. PZ-2024-00140 OA: Gramercy PUD Ordinance Amendment.] [01:06:20] THROUGH THE TOP AND BELOW. THE BUILDINGS ARE POSITIONED IN [01:06:30] ORANGE. YELLOW BOXES ARE DETACHED. FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. YOU MIGHT ASK WHY AM I SEEN SO MANY IMAGES HERE? WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION THEY WILL NOT BE IDENTICAL THROUGHOUT THE SITE. HUNDRED 26 STREET. MAY BE BUILT BY ANOTHER BUILDER. PROVIDING VARIETY ACROSS THE SITE. WHAT THOSE MIGHT LOOK LIKE REST ASSURED WE MIGHT BE BACK NOT ONLY FOR THE PLAN COMMISSION BUT ALSO THE AUTHORIZATION THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS WE SPOKE MOST ABOUT. AND WHAT WERE TASKED WITH THE OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE OPEN SPACE AREA AND WHAT ERIC PASSED OUT WAS AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE SPACE RIGHT HERE. HERE WE ARE SEEING IT ABOUT AN INCH AND A HALF ON THE FINAL PLAN. WE WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA OF HOW THAT SPACE IS GOING TO TURN OUT. AGAIN NOT TO BE REDUNDANT, THIS IS A CONCEPT WE WILL COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLAN COMMISSION. COMING WEST OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE DIVIDING LINE. HALLMAN DRIVE. NOTICING ALL OF THIS IN THE FUTURE. AS THEY DID GET NOTICED TODAY. BUCKINGHAM HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH. WHICH INVOLVED COUNSEL THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WHICH COUNSELS THE CONDO EDITION. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE EAST OF THAT. WE WANTED TO ADDRESS TWO ITEMS THE BUILDING DESIGN THAT CAME IN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [01:10:03] >> CAN YOU PUT UP THE TOWNHOMES. >> LET'S ZOOM INTO THE BOTTOM IMAGES. THE TOP TWO ARE REALLY GREAT. I'M JUST HOPING IS A SAYING OUT LOUD, IT WILL APPEAR. >> THAT SPACE RIGHT THERE. >> THERE WE GO. GOOD. QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE IMAGES. AM A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THE IMAGES ONE AND FOUR. THEY DON'T LOOK UP THE QUALITY. I WOULD ASSUME THEY ARE NOT FINAL. BUT THEY KIND OF LOOK THAT WAY. I JUST DON'T LIKE THOSE WOUNDS. NO SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT. SUPER ONE., ARE WE ANTICIPATING FOUR-STORY? >> I'M NERVOUS ABOUT HAVING IMAGES 3-5 IN THERE. >> CAN I INTERRUPT FOR ONE SECOND? CAN WE AGREE THOUGH THAT THE CONCEPT -- I WANT THIS TO BE MISCONSTRUED AS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A FOUR-STORY OUTDOOR LIVING -- THERE WE GO. GOOD. THEIR INTENT TO BUILD THREE STORIES >> THREE STORIES +8 ON THE ROOFTOP. 4+ ONE EQUALS FIVE. LET'S PROVIDE ARCHITECTURAL CONTACTS. THAT'S THE 3+ DRIFTING OFF. >> THAT HELPED ME WITH IMAGES WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT I'VE BEEN GIVING HIM FEEDBACK FOR WHAT WE WANT TO SEE MORE DETAIL ON AS FAR AS THE UPPER IMAGES. NOT NECESSARILY ANY BUILDERS FANS BUT THE BEST OF THE BEST THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE. THEY WILL KEEP WORKING ON THOSE AND HAVE THOSE TOP TWO, CORRECT? >> ERIC SHOOK HIS HEAD, YES. WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT THIS IMAGE THE COMMON AREA IS VERY HELPFUL. NOT SURE THAT ADDRESSES WHAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THOUGH. ADDRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT EXHIBIT G WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN STANDARD REQUIREMENTS AND THEY'VE MODIFIED IT TO CHANGE THINGS THAT CANNOT BE DONE. THINGS THAT WILL NOT BE DONE SO THEY'VE DONE THAT. I HAVE THREE OUTSTANDING ISSUES WITH THAT. THING GET THAT TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. IT'S A SITUATION WE ARE REFERRING TO SOMETHING THAT WE CROSSED OUT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL THINKING THE SAME WAY AS FAR AS THIS EXHIBIT F STILL [01:15:01] APPLIES EVEN THOUGH IS CROSSED OUT. MARY PARTICULAR THINGS BUT I KNOW I CAN WORK THROUGH THAT WITH JOHN AND I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. LET'S JUST GO TO WHATEVER OTHER COMMENTS YOU GUYS HAD. I'M FEELING PRETTY GOOD. >> THANK YOU. GREAT EXITING OUT OF THE BUILDINGS THE ONES WE LIKE, THAT'S FANTASTIC. THE DIAGRAM OF THE PLAZAS GREAT. I'M ASSUMING I WANT TO CONFIRM THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. >> THE PROVISION THAT'S IN THAT CLOSE ORDINANCE AND HERE'S TO THE EXISTING PROVISION. >> JUST TWO REALLY SMALL THINGS AS STRUCK OUT THE SECTION THAT SAYS THE END OF THE SECTIONS AND BUILDINS WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL LEVELS OF DETAIL IS THERE A REASON THAT WAS TAKEN OUT ASK >> THE ORIGINAL ILLUSTRATION, THERE WAS A COUPLE ORIGINAL ILLUSTRATIONS WHICH WAS ADOPTED A FEW YEARS AGO MIKE AND PICK CLOCK TOWER ELEMENT. >> THAT'S THE END OF THE CORNER SEGMENT THAT WE REFERRED TO, NOT THE END OF EVERY SINGLE BUILDING BUT THE CORNER SEGMENT? >> IT WASN'T CLEAR IF WE JUST STRUCK OUT. >> REQUIRING END CAPS OF EACH VERTICAL LEVEL. >> YES, THAT IS TRUE. COMING UP WITH MORE STORIES. >> SO, TAKE THAT OUT. COMING UP IN PROGRAMMING, IT JUST DIDN'T. >> YOU CAN HAVE THAT CROSS REFERENCE. >> WIDE THAT THAT POP UP? >> I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S WHEN WE ENVISIONED. THAT MAKES SENSE. WILL NOT QUESTION. YOU CAN WAVE OUT 35% DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IMPORTANT IN THIS ONE. COMING UP IN THE AIR. TRYING TO FIND IT. WHERE IT IS, I GOT IT FLAGGED. THE MODIFICATION REQUIREMENT FOR THE WAIVER. JUST ALLOWING A WAIVER OF UP TO 35% FOR EACH SPECIFIC STANDARD. NOW I CAN'T STOP SEEING THIS. >> I KNOW. >> IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS. >> LIKE JOHN SAID AND GOES DOWN TO THE METHOD OF HOW THEY WOULD ASK FOR RELIEF. WAIVER PROVISION ALLOWS MINER ADJUSTMENTS TO BE MADE FOR THE PROJECT. OVER THE YEARS THE PROCEDURE WE WORKED OUT KEEPS THE BALL IN YOUR COURT INSTEAD OF -- IT CAN STILL GO THERE TOO. IT'S A TRUE VARIANT. MINER CHANGES . >> IN THIS CASE IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE TO GO BACK TO THE COMMISSION. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT WOMAN. >> WE ALSO USE THAT AS A THRESHOLD ANYTHING BEYOND IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. YOU DO HAVE TO GO GET A VARIANT AND PROVE YOUR HARDSHIP BUT IF YOU NEED A CHANGE BY 10% OR SOMETHING WE CAN SAY OKAY YES. WE CAN IMPROVE 10% OR C THAT WOULD BE BETTER. >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THIS. IS GOING TO SAY THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT IS A [01:20:09] QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK SPECIFICALLY IT SEEMS IT WAS BETTER TO COME IN FRONT OF THE PLANE COMMISSION OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS VERSUS GOING THROUGH AND DOING THAT. ONE OF THE OTHER POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE -- BUCKINGHAM WAS WILLING TO WORK WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. I CAN'T REMEMBER. IT WAS LAND-USE. >> TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES. >> ARE YOU REPORTING TO THAT VERSUS THE AREA OF THE PLAZA? NC REQUEST TO LOOK AT CONNECTING THE AREA FOR MIXED-USE BUILDINGS PLAZAS COMING OFF AND BEING IN THE PROCESS OF BEING TURNED OVER TO THE HLA. WE PULLED BACK AND PUT A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE PLAZA. >> IT IS IMPORTANT TO BRING THAT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WORKED ON. THE ACTUAL WORK FOR US TREE HUGGERS. I AM A TREE HUGGER TOO. YOU HAVE THAT DILIGENCE WITH THAT. >> FOR THE SAKE OF THOSE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING, COULD YOU SHOW WHERE THIS IS ON THE LEFT. THAT'S A BIG PROMISE THERE TODAY SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED. COMING UP AT ALMOND DRIVE. >> I JUST THINK WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WATCH AND IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT THEY SEE. >> OUTLINING AND DESIGNING. >> ONE LAST COMMENT AND THEN I'LL BE QUIET FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT. DID I LOSE MY CHANCE FOR THE RESTRICTION? I DID, DIDN'T I? >> IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET. >> I'M JUST KIDDING. >> STUNNED SILENCE. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAVE. BEFORE WE DID SOMETHING HERE, ME MIGHT WANT TO TALK WITH TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT HAMSTRINGING THEM. >> JOSH. >> OF COURSE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I LOVE THIS. I LOVE THAT ANSWER. I HATE DALLAS. IF I'M BEING REALLY HONEST AREA C NEEDS SOME LOVE. I JUST WANT TO SEE SOMETHING MORE COMING UP AGAINST DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE. I'M NOT PARTICULARLY GREAT AT THIS, I [01:25:01] DON'T LIKE IT. SOMETHING ABOUT THE SECOND, THE ONE THAT'S UP THERE. I CAN'T QUITE PUT MY FINGER ON IT. YOU LIKE THE LOOK OF MORE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS. THAT'S DEFINITELY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET ACROSS. UNFORTUNATELY I CAN CONVEY THE REST OF WHAT I'M FEELING ABOUT IT. I DON'T WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING WERE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON. IS NOT GOING TO AGE WELL. THOSE ARE THE COMMUNITIES I'M THINKING OF RIGHT NOW. THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS THE BEST. >> THEY WILL BE COMING BACK TO US. >> I KNOW THEY WILL. AND BEFORE YOU SPEND A LOT MORE TIME ON IT. THIS IS NOT THE TIME. IF WE WERE -- WHITE BEIGE, WHITE BEIGE. >> WHAT COLOR? >> I THINK WERE MAYBE GOING A STEP TOO FAR. I DIDN'T GET TO TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THIS. THE NORTHERN PROPERLY LINE IS SET BACK AT 15 FEET., I WAS MEASURING THE EXISTING TOWNHOUSE PARAMETER NOT SURE WHERE THAT CAME FROM AS TO WHY WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT SET BACK. WE WOULD HAVE NO SET BACK. >> WE CAN PROPOSE TO MOVE THAT REQUIREMENT ENTIRELY. WITHIN 7-8 FEET. THE ORIGINAL REQUIREMENT. MAKE THOSE ALLEYS FEEL REALLY TIGHT. UP INTERNALLY UP ON THE RIGHT AWAY LINE. COMING IN FRONT OF THOSE HOMES. [01:30:09] COMING UP ON THE LINE. MIGHT NOT BE SMART ENOUGH TO FOLLOW THIS CONVERSATION BUT MAYBE THE SOLUTION IS THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF THE TREES. >> EXCEPT FOR THE CONVERSATIONS, THERE PROBABLY WON'T BE ROOM, IS WHAT I'M HEARING AND NOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> NOT A ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY, RATHER THAN WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. STILL WANT TO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO WORK THIS OUT. COMING DOWN THE SAME PAGE. WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? >> WERE NOT TOUCHING THE TREES, OR THE PEDESTRIAN PATH IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY SIDE ON THE LINE. TAKING IT ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY SIDE SEVEN FEET WITHIN PRIVATE PROPERTY OF THE RIGHT AWAY LINE VERSUS 15 FEET. THAT WAS JUST TO MAKE EVERYTHING FIT NICELY. THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS WILL LAND ON THAT ONE. YOU LAND WITHIN SEVEN FEET. >> IT LOOKS LIKE THE TREES HAVE A LONG PATH. THE ADDITIONAL TREES PLANTED THERE. WE MIGHT BE SPLITTING HAIRS. UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT PLAN MIGHT NOT BE TO SCALE BUT IT')S GIVING US THE IMPRESSION THAT WILL LINE UP WITH THE TOWNHOMES TO THE WEST, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT AND THAT PROVES OTHER THINGS NEED TO MOVE AROUND AND WE NEED TO KNOW THAT. >> WE CAN FOR SURE WORK ON THAT. WE CAN SNAP SOMETHING IN THERE. >> I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH US MOVING FORWARD FOR THAT. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> THANK YOU * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.