[A. Call to Order]
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KNEW THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING FOR THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR NOVEMBER 25TH TWO ORDER. PLEASE RISE FOR
THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. INTO THE PUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH
BERTIE AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> IT IS GREAT TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY. ROLL CALL.
[D. Declaration of Quorum]
[E. Approval of Minutes and Findings of Facts of Previous Meetings]
QUORUM, WE MOVE ON. APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND FINDINGS OF FACTS FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING. I HAVE A MOTION?>> MOVED TO APPROVE THE MOTION THAT WAS --
>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? INDICATIONS, BILLS, AND
[G. Reports, Announcements, Legal Counsel Report, and Department Concerns]
EXPENDITURES. NOTHING? REPORTS, ANNOUNCEMENTS, LEGAL COUNSEL.>> NOTHING TO REPORT. >> 2025 BZA CALENDAR ADOPTIONS.
CAN WE VOTE ON ALL OF THEM OR DO THEY HAVE TO BE DONE
SEPARATE? >> SEPARATE BECAUSE THEY ARE
DIFFERENT. >> DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> I MOVE. >> DO NOT HAVE THE CALENDAR?
>> I MOVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> I SECOND. >> WAITING FOR A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. IT OPPOSED? RECOGNITION OF OUTGOING MEMBERS.
>> THAT GETS TO BE ME. I HAVE THE HONOR AND THE PRIVILEGE.
THIS IS MR. GRAY BOTH LAST MEETING AND WE KNOW IT IS NOT ALWAYS GLAMOROUS OR UNDERSTOOD IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT CAN BE CHALLENGING AT TIMES AND REQUIRES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DISCERNMENT AND JUDGMENT WHICH YOU HAVE SHOWN CONSISTENTLY SINCE YOU ARE FIRST MEETING IN 2018. NOT QUITE AS LONG AS YOUR GIG ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SINCE YOU HAVE ONE JOBS YOU HAVE BEEN A GREAT BOARD MEMBER. WE WILL MISS YOU A LOT. WE HAVE A LITTLE PARTING GIFT. I THINK WE ALL SHOULD GIVE HIM A ROUND
OF APPLAUSE. >> THEY GAVE ME THE MICROPHONE, I GET TO SPEAK AM I HAVE SERVED WITH BRAD FOR A LONG TIME. IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR AND A PLEASURE, BRAD. ANYONE WHO HAS SERVED WITH YOU HAS LEARNED FROM YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR
SERVICE. YOU WILL BE MISSED. >> ARE VERY WELCOME. I'M HAPPY TO EYE WITH A MUCH SMALLER CROWD THAN WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT
MY FIRST BZA MEETING. >> THOSE ARE ALWAYS FUN, AREN'T THEY? RULE SUSPENSION REQUEST, PUBLIC NOTICE.
>> YES, WE HAVE A REQUEST WITH THE SMITH SORT TERM RESIDENTIAL. WITH A LEGAL ACT, THEY HAD A POSTED 20 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THE MAILINGS TO THE NEIGHBORS ON TIME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON TIME. JUST A SLIGHT REQUEST THERE. THANK YOU.
>> JUST CLARIFICATION, IT DOES COMPLY WITH INDIANA CODE FOR
HEARING LENGTH REQUIREMENT. >> WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE STRICT. WE LIKE TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. ALL RIGHT, ANY IDEAS, COMMENTS, THOUGHTS? A MOTION?
[H. (SE) Smith Short Term Residential Rental. ]
>> MOVED TO SUSPEND THE RULES.
>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. MOVING ON. DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2024-00215 SEVEN. THE SMITH SHORT-TERM RESIDENTIAL RENTAL PETITION. THE MICROPHONE TURNS ON AT THE BASE AND THEN THE TOP
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WILL TURN RED. >> GOT IT. OKAY. PUBLIC
SPEAKING IS NOT MY GREATEST. >> DON'T BE NERVOUS, TAKE A
BREATH AND STATE YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS CHRISTINE SMITH.
I AM THE ONE THAT IS HERE TODAY APPEALING AFTER THE FIRST DENIAL. I'M LOOKING TO HAVE HIM SHORT-TERM RESIDENTIAL PERMIT. THAT IS WHAT I AM SEEKING. CAN I GO AHEAD? OKAY.
I WANT TO REQUEST THIS APPROVAL TO USE MY HOME AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THIS DECISION IS CRUCIAL FOR MY FAMILY AS WE PREPARE FOR COLLEGE EXPENSES WHEN I AM IN COLLEGE MYSELF. I AM COMMITTED TO MANAGING THIS RESPONSIBILITY. PROFESSIONALLY AND STILL ABIDING LIKE I ALWAYS DO BY THE LAW AND WITH LEXINGTON FARM RULES AND REGULATIONS AS A HOMEOWNER. I QUALIFIED TO DO SO AND HAVE THE RIGHT SKILLS AND BACKGROUND AS A HOMEOWNER, AS A LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN, AND AS A LEXINGTON FARM RESIDENT WHO FOLLOWS THE RULES. JUST TO ADDRESS A FEW THINGS, THAT I KNOW WERE IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WERE CONCERNS OF PEOPLE AND THE LETTERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY NEIGHBORS THAT PROTESTED IT, WOULD BE SAFETY AND OVERSIGHT, ALL GUESTS WILL BE PRESCREENED THROUGH TRUSTED PLATFORMS AND I WILL ENFORCE HOUSE RULES WITH NO PARTIES AND DRIVEWAY ONLY PARKING AND I WILL STAY BY WITH FAMILY . ALL THINGS THAT ADHERE TO HOUSE RULES, LEXINGTON FARMS RULES AND THE LAW. THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY. MY HOME IS MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE, I DO HAVE STAKE IN THE MATTER, IT DOES MATTER TO ME A LOT, WHO WOULD GO IN MY HOUSE. BESIDES THE SCREENING, I ALSO GET SECONDARY SCREENING THROUGH THE SCREENING PROCESS. UNLIKE A CORPORATION, I AM PERSONALLY INVESTED IN MY HOME. I LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I LOVE MY NEIGHBORS, COMPLAINT HISTORY. I CONTACTED THE CARMEL CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT HANDLES PARKING ADDRESS ISSUES IN LEXINGTON FARMS AND THERE BEEN ZERO COMPLAINTS TIED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE PAST YEAR PROVING THESE CONCERNS ARE UNFOUNDED. THEY CONTACTED THE CARMEL POLICE AND AGAIN, NOTHING RELATED TO AIRBNB OR SHORT-TERM RENTALS WHEN IT COMES TO CRIME BECAUSE OF AN AIRBNB. EXISTING RENTALS, SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM RENTALS THAT ARE WELL-RUN, THAT I'M AWARE OF HAVE CAUSED NO ISSUES. I HAVE ONE NEXT DOOR. SHE IS A WONDERFUL NEIGHBOR, HER PROPERTY IS PRISTINE. ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT IS A LONG TERM RENTAL, LESS OVERSIGHT ON THE PROPERTY. EITHER WAY, THEY ARE WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS, NEVER EXPERIENCED EXTREME PROBLEMS FROM PEOPLE BEING RENTERS. SO, ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY BENEFITS, SOME PEOPLE HAVE STATED THAT IT WOULD BRING DOWN THE VALUE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AGAIN, SHORT-TERM RENTALS BRING VISITORS TO CARMEL AND THEY SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY. I BELIEVE THAT IS INACCURATE TO STATE THAT IT LOWERS PROPERTY VALUES. IN FACT, IT CONSISTENTLY SHOWS THAT WELL-MAINTAINED PROPERTIES AND PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED PROPERTIES INCREASE NEIGHBORHOOD VALUES AND IMPROVE NEIGHBORHOOD APPEAL. IT IS NOT JUST THE HOMEOWNER OR MYSELF WHO WOULD BENEFIT. IT WOULD BE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. I WANT TO TOUCH ON ANOTHER THING THAT KEEPS BEING BROUGHT UP IN THE LETTERS, THE HOA SURVEY. THAT SURVEY HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED. ONLY ONE FOURTH OF THE RESIDENCE TOOK THE SURVEY AND 61% OF THE ONE FOURTH VOTED NO.
IT IS AN INACCURATE SURVEY AND WAS THROWN OUT BECAUSE OF ITS INACCURACY. THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE OF THAT. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE TRANSPARENT RESULTS FROM THE SURVEY. AGAIN, THERE ARE NO COVENANTS OR BYLAWS . WE CURRENTLY HAVE SUCCESSFUL ONES RUNNING, SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM. ALL THE ONES I KNOW ARE GREAT RESIDENTS THAT TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY. AGAIN, MY COMMITMENT, I WILL STRICTLY SCREEN GUESTS AND ENFORCE CLEAR HOUSE RULES TO PROTECT
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NEIGHBORHOOD PEACE. I WILL USE RENTAL INCOME TO MAINTAIN MY PROPERTY. AND RESPECT NEIGHBORHOOD RULES AND I HOPE THAT IT WILL PRESERVE LEXINGTON FARMS PEACEFUL VIBE. I LOVE MY COMMUNITY AND ASK FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE THIS VENTURE, RESPONSIBLY AS OTHERS HAVE DONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY ARE ALREADY DOING IT. THANK YOU AGAIN.>> THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? HOW MANY ARE WISHING TO SPEAK AGAINST? IN FAVOR OR AGAINST? OKAY, HOW MANY AGAINST? ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, WE HAVE 15 TOTAL MINUTES. WHAT'S THAT? OKAY. YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING? OKAY. THEN THERE ARE SIX OF YOU. EVERYBODY GETS TO MINUTES. ACTUALLY, I WILL GIVE EVERYONE 2.5. THREE, JUST FOR FUN TO MAKE IT EASIER ON YOU. THANK YOU. LET'S START, FIRST UP, YOU CAN GO FIRST, IN FAVOR. YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE MIC. YES.
YOU ARE GOING FIRST. >> OKAY, I HATE TO END THE MEETING WITH SIX PEOPLE AGAINST.
>> WE DON'T WAIL ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. WE ARE SMARTER THAN
THAT. >> MY NAME IS MICHELLE, GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, I AM IN SUPPORT OF CHRISTIE. I RUN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND HAVE RUN ONE FOR TWO YEARS, I KNOW HOW THEY ARE RUN AND HOW SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS ARE WITH THEIR PROPERTIES. I KNOW THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL WORLD. I AM IN MANY MEETINGS WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEM IN INDIANA. I KNOW FIRSTHAND JUST HOW MUCH CARE GOES INTO THE PROPERTIES TO EVEN BE ABLE TO RENT THEM SHORT-TERM. MOST PEOPLE WHO DO COME TO RENT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THEY DO IT OVER A HOTEL. THEY EXPECT AS GOOD AS A HOTEL. THEY ARE EXPENSIVE TO RENT. USUALLY MORE THAN A HOTEL BECAUSE YOU'RE RENTING AN ENTIRE HOUSE. I KNOW THERE ARE -- I ASSUME THAT THERE ARE MISCONCEPTIONS AND MISUNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT A LONG TERM RENTAL VERSUS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. LONG-TERM RENTALS HAVE THE REPUTATION OF BEING PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT ALWAYS WELL TAKEN CARE OF. PEOPLE USE THEM TEMPORARILY FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND DON'T PAY AS MUCH AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE OUTSIDE OR HOW IT LOOKS OR WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE HOUSE. THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT RULE. SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE DIFFERENT. PEOPLE WANT PRISTINE PROPERTIES. IF YOU WILL PUT YOUR PROPERTY AND THE RENTAL MARKET FOR SHORT-TERM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TOP-OF-THE-LINE PROPERTY INSIDE OR OUT OR NO ONE WILL RENT YOUR PROPERTY.
THERE IS NO REASON FOR ANYONE TO PUT ONE ON AIRBNB UNLESS IT IS A PROPERTY SOMEONE IS GOING TO WANT. AIRBNB HAS A SYSTEM WHERE YOU GET STARS AND A RATING. FIVE STARS, YOU CAN'T EVEN RENT YOUR PROPERTY UNLESS YOU ARE ABOVE 4.8 STARS. PEOPLE RUTHLESSLY GIVE REVIEWS. THEY WILL SAY, EXACTLY WHAT THEY HATE ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY. I THINK IN TERMS OF PROPERTY VALUES, IT IS ALMOST BETTER TO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN YOUR PROPERTY THEN HAVE REGULAR OWNERS FOR THE PROPERTY. THESE PEOPLE ARE MAKING MONEY OFF OF THESE HOMES AND WANT THEM TO BE RENTED AND HAVE GREAT REVIEWS. THEY ARE GOING TO DO THEIR VERY BEST, I KNOW I HAVE TO DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE YOUR PROPERTY BEAUTIFUL AND BE A WONDERFUL HOST AND I WILL ALSO SAY, PEOPLE COME TO AN CARMEL NEEDING PROPERTIES BESIDES HOTELS, YOU WANT TO STAY IN THE SAME SPOT AS YOUR RELATIVE. YOU WANT TO HAVE A KITCHEN, A LAUNDRY ROOM TO DO YOUR LAUNDRY, YOU MIGHT BE HERE A WEEK, TWO WEEKS, YOU DON'T WANT TO STAY IN A HOTEL FOR THAT. ALSO -- I WILL SAY THAT PEOPLE THAT COME TO RENT ARE VERY QUIET, WE ONLY HAVE RANCHES. WE ONLY HAVE TWO BEDROOMS WE DON'T HAVE PARTIES IN OUR HOMES. THERE ARE NO PARTIES INTO BEDROOM RANCH HOMES. THEY ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE PARTIES.
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>> NEXT, PLEASE. ONE OF THE SIX OF YOU OR FIVE OF YOU. I THINK IT IS SIX. THE SECOND PERSON, COME UP BEHIND THEM, THANK YOU.
KEEP DOING THAT AS WE GO. WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU. >> I DO WANT TO CLARIFY ONE POINT BEFORE I START ON MY REASONS FOR BEING AGAINST THE
RENTAL. THE 2023 -- >> CAN WE HAVE YOUR NAME?
>> I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 16.5 YEARS.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOUR ADDRESS, JUST GIVE YOUR NAME.
>> OKAY. I HAVE NOT DONE THIS BEFORE. ON THAT SURVEY OF LEXINGTON FARM HOMEOWNERS, 61% OF OUR HOMEOWNERS AND ALL HOMEOWNERS WERE SERVED EIGHT THAT VOTED AGAINST RENTALS. IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAVE BEEN PASSED OFFICIALLY WE NEEDED 66 AND TWO THIRDS OF OUR VOTERS AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN 10 YES VOTES AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GOING BACK AND PURSUING THOSE 10 VOTES. I AM CONCERNED THAT EVEN THOUGH A PERSON MAY PASS A BACKGROUND CHECK, THAT IS LOVELY. WHAT GUARANTEE IS THAT OF A PERSON WHO WILL RENT THE PROPERTY. I DO KNOW COLLEGE PARENTS RENT PROPERTIES FOR THEIR CHILDREN. I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE PEOPLE MIGHT RENT FOR. THE PERSON FILLING OUT THE BACKGROUND MIGHT NOT BE THE PERSON GOING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DO QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT SHORT-TERM RENTERS WILL TRULY VALUE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE AND ETHNICALLY UNIQUE COMMUNITY. WHERE WE ALL ALMOST KNOW EACH OTHER. WE VALUE THE SAFETY THAT THAT PROVIDES. I HAVE SMALL GRANDCHILDREN . I DON'T WANT THEM RUNNING AROUND, NOT THAT THEY ARE RUNNING AROUND. IF THEY ARE OUT, I WANT TO KNOW THE LIVES IN THE HOUSES NEAR WHERE THEY ARE PLAYING. ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME, IS THE OWNER ASSERTS THAT THIS WILL BE GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I QUESTION THAT. IT MAY BE GOOD FOR THY NEIGHBOR. I CAN'T SEE HOW THAT IS GOING TO HELP THE LEXINGTON FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW IT WILL AFFECT THE CITY OF CARMEL ANYMORE THAN RENTING IN A HOTEL WOULD. PEOPLE WILL BE IN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL MIGHT NEED INCIDENTALS AND THEY MIGHT NEED FOOD BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE GOING OUT AND POURING HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY INTO CARMEL. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT A RESORT. WE ARE A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. IF I WANTED TO LIVE IN A RESORT, I WOULD LIVE SOMEWHERE LIKE SUN CITY FLORIDA WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING. WE DEPEND ON LONG-TERM RESIDENCE. WE DON'T LIKE HAVING THIS IN
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. >> NEXT. THE FOLLOWING PERSON,
PLEASE,. >> I AM BOB MILLER, WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 13 YEARS. OUR GRANDDAUGHTER IS JUST DOWN THE STREET. I HAVE BEEN IN REAL ESTATE FOR A LONG TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHERE PEOPLE GET IT. THERE IS NO VALUE HAVING SHORT-TERM OR LONG-TERM RENTALS BECAUSE IF YOU CONTINUE , IT AFFECTS VALUES. LEXINGTON FARMS IS VERY POPULAR. HOWEVER, THE LAST FEW YEARS, SO MANY COMPANIES COMING IN, THE FIRST THING THEY ASK, IS THERE ANY KIND OF RESTRICTIONS? IF THERE AREN'T, THEY ARE ALL OVER IT. PAYING GREAT PRICES. HOWEVER, YOU GET TO A CERTAIN NUMBER, THEY LIMIT FINANCING AND MOST BUYERS WILL COME IN AND SAY, WE LOVE IT. IS THERE ANY CONTROL ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS? WE HAVE TO SAY, NO. THEY WILL NOT WANT TO SEE IT. FORGET IT. WE ARE JUST GOING DEEPER AND DEEPER, EVENTUALLY, IT AFFECTS THE VALUES. IF YOU HAVE A FIRE, WHO WANTS TO BE NEXT TO A RENTAL? IT IS THAT SIMPLE. IF YOU HAVE
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NOT BEEN IN REAL ESTATE, IT IS REAL CLEAR, WHO WANTS TO BUY IT IF IT IS RENTALS? IF YOU ARE SENT TO SHORT-TERM. HECK NO.THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT PERSON TO
COME UP BEHIND. THANKS. >> MY NAME IS SHELLEY KAPLAN. I LIVED IN LEXINGTON FARMS FOR ABOUT 35 YEARS NOW. I HAVE SEEN LOTS OF CHANGES. SOME GOOD, SOME BAD. IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS. I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THE ONES THAT WE HAVE TODAY HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE ZONING COMMISSION OR BOARD OR WHATEVER. THEY ARE OPERATING AND WERE REPORTED AT THE LAST MEETING AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN NOTICE TO THE INDIVIDUALS, THE HOMEOWNERS. I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. AS DENISE INDICATED, WE ARE NOT A RESORT.
FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THEY CAN'T USE THE AMENITIES WITHOUT A RESIDENT BEING PRESENT. IT STRICTLY AS JUST TO RESIDE. IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO THAT. A RESIDENT HAS TO BE PRESENT AND ORDER TO USE THE POOL, THE TENNIS COURTS, ANYTHING ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AT THE LAST MEETING , WHEN MANY OF US ATTENDED THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS CHRISTINE, SHE WAS GIVEN -- IT WAS TURNED DOWN. YOU TURNED IT DOWN. AND SAID, WE LEFT HERE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WITHIN A YEAR, SHE COULD COME BACK IN A YEAR AND ASK FOR A SHORT-TERM VARIANCE. IT KIND OF CONFUSED US WHEN SHE WAS ABLE TO COME BACK AND HAVE THE WHOLE BOARD HERE TO HEAR HER APPEAL AGAIN. I DON'T WANT TO REITERATE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID BECAUSE IT IS REDUNDANT. WE HAVE A CONCERN WITH A LOT OF ELDERLY PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT THERE IS STREET RACING GOING ON LEXINGTON DRIVE. YOU CAN HEAR IT AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT. WE JUST DON'T NEED THE ACCESS TRAFFIC AND NOISE AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DO KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS. WE LOOK OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER. WHEN YOU LET THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, YOU DON'T KNOW WAS COMING IN.
>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT. WE JUST NEED YOUR
NAME. >> NANCY TATUM. I LIVE IN LEXINGTON FARMS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT AND A COUPLE OF COMMENTS OF PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. THIS SHORT-TERM RENTAL SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP. PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING IN THESE TYPES. THESE HOMES LIKE THAT.
THEY HAVE NO FINANCIAL OR EMOTIONAL INVESTMENT. I THINK THAT THERE IS A SAFETY CONCERN. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH OTHER PEOPLE. I THINK IT WOULD AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES. WE JUST DON'T NEED ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE BOARD OF ZONING TO SAY NO TO THIS VARIANCE.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT. >> MY NAME IS ALAN AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 23 YEARS. I AM A BROKER AND I HAVE BEEN IN REAL ESTATE MY ENTIRE LIFE. I AGREE WITH MS. MILLER. GENERALLY, A RENTAL OF ANYTIME IS ADVERSE TO VALUE. IT IS AN ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DEFINE THE CODE. I CAN TELL YOU, AROUND THE COUNTRY, IT HAS BECOME AN ISSUE AND THERE ARE LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS UP FRONT WHICH THEY CAN DO. WE DON'T HAVE
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THEM WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. TO ME, IT IS MORE OF AN ISSUE FOR YOU GUYS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ZONE IT. IT COMPETES WITH HOSPITALITY. IT COMPETES WITH COMMERCIAL ZONING AND THAT IS WHAT THE USE IS. WHEN IT COMES TO BED-AND-BREAKFAST. MOST THINGS THAT THEY CITED, ARE PEOPLE DOING IT ALREADY? IF YOU ALLOW IT? OH WELL POINT DO YOU HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS BECAUSE EVERYONE WILL DO THE SAME THING. IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT YOU THINK AND WHAT ZONING IS APPROPRIATE. ZONING FOR A REASON. I THINK YOU SHOULD STAND BY WHATEVER YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE. PEOPLE USE AIRBNB, THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE MONEY FOR IT ARE ADVANTAGEOUS. AGAIN, TO ME IT IS AN ISSUE OFPRECEDENTS. OKAY. >> THANK YOU. NEXT.
>> HELLO, I AM KAYLA CANDLER. I JUST MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD .5 YEARS AGO. WITHIN 2.5 YEARS I WITNESSED TWO POLICE CHASES, COUNTLESS PEOPLE RUNNING A STOP SIGN, I LIVE ON A CORNER PROPERTY SO I GET TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING WHICH IS ENTERTAINING. I GET TO SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GO ON IN AND AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EVENTUALLY, ONE DAY, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A FAMILY AND HAVE KIDS. IN THE MEANTIME, I JUST HAVE A LOT OF LITTLE KIDS AROUND ME WHICH I ABSOLUTELY LOVE. AS FAR AS SAFETY, THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN. I APPRECIATE THE HUSTLE. I'M A TRAVELING SURGICAL TECH AND I WAS FOR MANY YEARS AND NOW I'M TAKING A STEP AWAY FROM THAT GOING THROUGH A CAREER CHANGE. I HAVE STAYED IN AIRBNB'S AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS STATE TO STATE. I DO APPRECIATE THE HUSTLE OF WANTING TO RUN ONE. UNFORTUNATELY, NOW THAT I HAVE AN INVESTMENT INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I WANT TO LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE I FEEL SAFE. I WANT TO LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE I FEEL LIKE ALL THE LITTLE KIDS AROUND ME ARE SAFE. THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THAT PEOPLE HAVE RAN THAT STOP SIGN AND WHATEVER ELSE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD , JUST, I DON'T KNOW, SAFETY IS A MASS CONCERN. IT IS A MASSIVE CONCERN AND WHERE PEOPLE SAY THEY VET WHO COMES INTO THEIR HOUSE, YOU CAN PURELY LOOK DOWN THROUGH THE REVIEWS. THERE REVIEWS WHERE THE PICTURE SHOULD BE A PICTURE OF SOMEBODY AND IT WILL BE THE FIRST INITIAL WITH THEIR NAME FOR IT IS A PICTURE OF THEIR DOG. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO IS COMING TO YOUR HOUSE IF THEY HAVE A PICTURE OF THEIR DOG? STEVE WHO HAS A PICTURE OF HIS GERMAN SHEPHERD COMING TO THE PROPERTY. THAT'S NOT SAFE.
THESE PEOPLE -- THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT HAVE BEEN RUNNING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY ARE ADVERTISING OUR PLAYGROUND, OUR POOLS, ADVERTISING THE ENTIRE POND AND THEY ARE COMING AND GOING ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT. IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THESE KIDS ARE RUNNING AROUND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THESE YOUNG FAMILIES THAT WANT TO INVEST INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD IN THEIR HOME AND FEEL SAFE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S COMING AND GOING. I APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU.
>> LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ARE YOU THE LAST? OKAY, THAT'S GOOD.
THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BRIAN WADE AND MY WIFE AND I, WE HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE 1993.
WHILE I APPRECIATE THE APPEAL OF WANTING TO OWN RENTAL PROPERTIES FOR ADDITIONAL INCOME, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHEN OUR HOA SURVEYED THE HOMEOWNERS, 61% WERE AGAINST SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IT IS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE A DOUBLE DIGIT NUMBER OF HOMES IN THE AREA ALREADY THAT ARE RENTALS. SPECIFIC TO TONIGHT'S DOCKET, I TAKE ISSUE WITH A COUPLE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING ON THIS PROPERTY. THE FIRST ARGUMENT IS THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT WAS EVEN SUGGESTED THAT THERE WERE STUDIES DEVELOPING THAT. WHILE THOSE STUDIES INDICATE THAT IN THOSE AREAS AND AROUND RENTAL HOMES AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHAT THOSE STUDIES DO INDICATE IS THAT IT IS THE INCREASE OF DEMAND BY INVESTORS WANTING TO PURCHASE MORE HOMES IN THE AREA
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FOR INVESTMENT PURPOSES TO INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES. HOME VALUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE ALREADY INCREASING NICELY ON THEIR OWN. WE DON'T NEED INVESTORS TURNING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OF 270 HOMES INTO A RENTAL COMMUNITY. THE SECOND ARGUMENT IS THAT FERMENTING -- PERMITTING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL BOOST THE LOCAL ECONOMY. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT RENTERS LIVING IN A HOME PART TIME WOULD PURCHASE MORE AT GROCERY STORES, GAS STATIONS, RESTAURANTS, MOVIE THEATERS, DRY CLEANERS AND RETAIL STORES THAN A FAMILY LIVING IN THE HOME FULL-TIME. IN CLOSING, I BELIEVE THAT IF MY WIFE AND I WENT AROUND TO THE NEIGHBORS ON OUR STREET AND SAID, WERE GOING TO TURN OUR HOME INTO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL , IT'S OKAY BECAUSE YOUR HOME VALUES WILL INCREASE AND IT WILL BOOST THE LOCAL ECONOMY, I'M NOT SURE WE COULD CONVINCE ANY OF THEM OFTHAT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU GET UP TO FIVE MINUTES FOR A REBUTTAL.
>> OKAY, I WILL ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE LISTED BY THOSE PROTESTING. I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL DO IT IN ORDER. I WILL START WITH KAYLA. SHE SAID THAT SHE SEES RACING DOWN THE STREET. I WANT TO ADDRESS THE STREET ISSUE. WE ARE IN BETWEEN KEYSTONE AND MERIDIAN, TWO MAJOR ROADS. 106 AND 111TH. WE HAD A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE COMING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS A SHORTCUT OR RACING THROUGH HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. SAFETY, I AGREE WITH HER. WE HAVE TWO KIDS, I GET IT. I DON'T THINK THAT RELATES TO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING SAID, I MEAN THIS IN THE MOST RESPECTFUL WAY, ARE ALL FEAR-BASED AND NOT NECESSARILY FACT-BASED. I HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND I HAVE A REAL ESTATE BACKGROUND. MY MOTHER WAS A REALTOR, MY HUSBAND IS NOT ONLY A CARPENTER, HE HAS BEEN A PROJECT MANAGER AND SUPERINTENDENT. I FEEL LIKE I GREW UP IN A FAMILY THAT DOES RENTALS. FLEX PROPERTIES. I HAVE THE EXPERIENCE TO DO THIS. PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DOING IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I AM JUST ASKING FOR MY FAIR SHOT, BASICALLY.
STICKING TO THE SUBJECT, SAFETY ISSUES, A LOT OF THE THINGS, EVERYTHING QUOTED FROM THE LETTERS TONIGHT, CRIME, THE LEGAL DRUGS, ALL THOSE THINGS, WE WILL VET THE PEOPLE, YOU DO THE BEST YOU CAN. LET'S NOT FORGET THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE LIVING AS HOMEOWNERS IN THE HOME THAT ARE A RESIDENT AND WE STILL HAVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS. IT IS NOT NECESSARILY RENTALS THAT HAVE ALL OF THESE CRIME PROBLEMS. AGAIN, ALSO, WITH PROPERTY AS STATICS AND PEOPLE MAINTAINING THEIR PROPERTY AND IT LOOKING BEAUTIFUL AND IN HARMONY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PEACEFUL VIBE, ALL THOSE THINGS, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT OWN THEIR HOME BUT ARE NOT TAKING CARE OF IT. RENTALS THAT LOOK AMAZING, PARTLY IT IS UP TO THE OWNER AND PARTLY IT IS WHAT YOU GET INTO YOUR PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK THIS IS JUST A RENTAL ISSUE IF PROPERTIES ARE NOT MAINTAINED OR TAKEN CARE OF. SO LET'S SEE, THE VALUES, I WENT OVER THAT. I SUBMITTED PLENTY OF FACTS ABOUT THAT. AGAIN, IF IT IS PROPERLY MAINTAINED, PROFESSIONALLY RUN, IF I TAKE FUNDS AND PUT THEM BACK INTO THE PROPERTY, I SEE THIS AS A NONISSUE. I DON'T SEE IT AS MY PROPERTY FALLING APART. THE LETTER SUBMITTED HAD TO DO WITH THE NEIGHBOR RIGHT IN BACK OF ME. OUR HOUSE IS AN EYESORE. WHEN SHE LOOKS AT THE FENCE AND MY HUSBAND FIXES IT ABOUT FOUR TIMES A YEAR FOR HER FOR FREE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE SAID. I'M SORRY, I THINK A LOT OF THEM ARE FEAR-BASED. I DON'T THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTS TO BACK IT UP. I HAVE TRIED TO GO ABOUT THIS THE RIGHT WAY. AND GIVE THE UPMOST TRANSPARENCY AND RESPECT TO MY NEIGHBORS. I'VE TRIED TO GO ABOUT THIS THE LEGAL WAY AND I
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HAVE WATCHED PEOPLE DOING IT SUCCESSFULLY ALL AROUND ME.THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES. THAT IS WHY YOU PROPERLY MANAGE YOUR RENTAL. YOU HAVE HOUSE RULES AND THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO LEAVE IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW IT. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE POLICE. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE NEIGHBORS, I HAVE WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS AND YOU CAN GET IN CONTACT WITH THEM. I FEEL LIKE I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THESE THINGS ALREADY AND I WANT TO EASE THEIR FEARS. BUT, YOU KNOW , I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU. SORRY. I FEEL LIKE I HAVE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW. I FEEL FOR THEM THAT THEY HAVE THESE CONCERNS. I FEEL LIKE I HAVE REALLY THOUGHT IT OUT AND ALL THESE THINGS I HAVE REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT AND I
>> STAFF. >> THANK YOU. PLANNING STAFF ALSO COORDINATED WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AND THERE ARE NO ISSUES TO REPORT WITH EITHER DEPARTMENT. THERE IS THE TESTIMONY TONIGHT THAT SUGGESTED THERE ARE A FEW OTHER OPERATING SHORT-TERM RENALS CURRENTLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT HAS RECENTLY ISSUED VIOLATION LETTERS TO THOSE FEW. THEY WILL EITHER CEASE OPERATION OR THEY WILL COME BEFORE YOU TO ASK FOR APPROVAL. WITH THAT BEING SAID, PLANNING STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS REQUEST. AND IF APPROVED, IT IS ONLY VALID FOR A YEAR. YOU HAVE TO COME BACK A YEAR LATER AND WE ALSO RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS OF
FACT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> YOU ARE FIRST. >> SO, IN PREPARATION FOR THIS, I WAS THE HEARING OFFICER WHEN YOU INITIALLY PETITIONED FOR THIS VARIANCE. IN READING AND PREPARING AND READING ALL THE LETTERS, WE GOT 44 LETTERS AND WE READ THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
THERE WAS ONE IN PARTICULAR AND IT WAS STATED TODAY ALSO THAT I TOLD THE PETITIONER AND THE WHOLE GROUP THAT SHE COULD APPEAL AFTER A YEAR AND THAT I THEN, AFTER PEOPLE LEFT, TOLD HER THAT I WOULD GIVE HER A WORKAROUND. I TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT. THAT IS INACCURATE. THAT IMPLIES I HAVE DONE SOMETHING UNETHICAL AND I ABSOLUTELY HAVE NOT. IN FACT, I WAS SO SURE OF IT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, I RE-WATCHED THE VIDEO OF THE HEARING AND I DON'T SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I SAY, THE CITY STAFF WILL HELP YOU AND TELL YOU WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL ANY OF US HAS IS OUR REPUTATION. I
THINK I'M DONE. >> YOUR REPUTATION STANDS ON ITS OWN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I COMMENT? YES SIR.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WRITE MYSELF A JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY I WANT TO VOTE A CERTAIN WAY AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS GROUP AS WELL. THE CITY OF CARMEL PUTS FORTH ORDINANCES, REGULATIONS, AND REQUIREMENTS TO ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THIS PETITIONER HAS SPEND VALUABLE TIME PREPARING THIS APPLICATION. MET WITH THE STAFF AND ANSWERED THEIR QUESTIONS. FILLED OUT ALL OF THE PAPERWORK ACQUIRED AND INFORMED THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THE PUBLIC AT LARGE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. IN SHORT, THE PETITIONER HAS FULFILLED ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO SUBMIT THEIR PETITION FOR A VARIANCE. THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND MADE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE PETITION. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HAS CONDUCTED A SURVEY OF ITS MEMBERS AND 60% OF THOSE WHO RESPONDED DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF A HOME RENTAL OF ANY KIND. IT IS NOT IN THE ASSOCIATIONS COVENANT. THERE FOR, IT CANNOT BE FORCED ON THE PETITIONER. ON THE OTHER HAND, 14 OF THE 44 LETTERS RECEIVED FOR THIS PETITION CAME FROM NEIGHBORS WHO SUPPORT THE RENTALS. IN ANY CASE, THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST. AS LONG AS THE PETITIONER HAS IN GOOD FAITH MET THE REGULATIONS IMPOSED BY THE CITY'S ORDINANCES AND THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, THAT TELLS ME THAT THIS PETITIONER HAS PLAYED BY THE RULES. I SUPPORT APPROVAL OF THE PETITION. MOREOVER THIS APPLICATION HAS ONLY BEEN GOOD FOR ONE YEAR AND IF THE
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PETITIONER FAILS TO FULFILL THE PROMISES AND OBLIGATIONS, THIS PETITION WILL NOT BE RENEWED. I WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING, I LIVE ON IT WILL DO . WE TREAT OURSELVES AND OTHERS LIKE NEIGHBORS IN ANY CASE. THANK YOU.>> MR. GRAYBELL. >> CELINE, I CANNOT SAY IT BETTER. I THINK YOU ARE READING FROM MY NOTES, NOT YOUR NOTES.
AS I RETIRE FROM THE BOARD TONIGHT, I'M CONFIDENT THAT I AM LEAVING IT IN VERY GOOD HANDS. I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. QUESTIONS ALWAYS COME UP AT THE BZA AND PLANNING COMMISSION IF ANY CASE SETS A PRECEDENT. THE FACT THAT WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT ONE HOME, ONE CASE, TONIGHT IS EVIDENCE THAT THERE ARE NO PRECEDENTS. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE DECISIONS IS MADE INDIVIDUALLY AND ON ITS MERITS. THERE ARE VALID CONCERNS ABOUT THE EFFECT OF INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS ON THE HOUSING MARKET. DRIVING UP THE COST OF HOUSING AND THE CONDITION OF PROPERTIES OWNED BY INVESTORS DETERIORATING. THE CITY AND ITS WISDOM AND WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE ADDRESSES THAT RISK BY REQUIRING A 275 DAY PRIOR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT BEFORE ANY PROPERTY OWNER CAN APPLY FOR A SHORT-TERM RESIDENTIAL RENTAL. THIS PROCESS EXISTS TO ENSURE THAT THE STANDARDS FOR APPROVING THE SHORT-TERM RESIDENTIAL RENTAL ARE DONE AS AN EXCEPTION ONLY AND THE BIAS IS TOWARD DENYING IT APPLICATIONS. THERE ARE CASES THAT WARRANT EXCEPTIONAL TREATMENT. THIS IS ONE OF THEM. THIS PROCESS EXISTS TO ENSURE THAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE APPLIED CONSISTENTLY ACROSS ANY PART OF CARMEL. IT EXISTS FOR HOMEOWNERS TO HAVE THEIR OWN RESTRICTIONS COLLECTIVELY GIVEN THAT THE SUBDIVISION DECIDES THAT IT DOES NOT WANT TO PERMIT SHORT-TERM RESIDENTIAL RENTALS.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, LEXINGTON FARMS HAS NOT YET DONE THAT.
THE APPLICATION DOES NOT VIOLATE ANY CODES, COVENANTS, RESTRICTIONS OR OTHER ASSOCIATION RULES. I THINK THE PETITIONER HAS MADE THE CASE IN FAVOR OF GETTING THE VARIANCE GRANTED. AND THE PRIOR DECISION OF THE --.
>> WELL, YOU MENTIONED IT. I WILL REITERATE, I GUESS. THE FACT THAT THE INITIAL IDEA OF THE UDO FORCING THESE CONDITIONS IS THAT IT IS NOT GENERALLY ACCEPTED TO RECEIVE FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION IMMEDIATELY PUTS ONE WHO IS APPLYING AT A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL OF ABILITY TO PROVE THAT THEY CAN TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OF HAVING SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I THINK THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN THIS EVENING. I GUESS THE THING THAT MY CONCERN ME AND MAYBE FOR THE RESIDENCE OF LEXINGTON FARMS AS WELL. IF THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE RECEIVED LETTERS OF VIOLATION AND WE CAN ASSUME THAT SOME OF THEM, MAYBE NOT ALL WILL BE APPLYING FOR THEIR CHANCE TO BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. MY CONCERN IS THAT, IS THERE A LEVEL OR A THRESHOLD AT WHICH WE SAY THAT ONLY SO MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS PER NEIGHBORHOOD OR HOW DO WE DO THAT? SO THAT WE KIND OF PUT A LIMIT ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT WE CAN ALLEVIATE THE FEAR OF THERE BEING SUCH AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT AND IT MIGHT POSSIBLY AFFECT VALUES OR WHO KNOWS?
>> CURRENTLY STANDARDS DO NOT HAVE A CAB ON THE NUMBER PER NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
>> OKAY. THAT IS SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER. I
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DON'T KNOW. I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SET UP HEREAS WELL. >> I HATE TO DO THIS ON MY LAST MEETING WITH BRAD. AND THE OTHER TWO OF YOU, I COULD NOT DISAGREE MORE. THIS WAS NOT THE REASON THAT WE PASS WHAT WE PASSED. I WAS PART OF A BODY THAT DID THAT. WE WERE HAVING ISSUES IN AREAS OF CARMEL. WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT PERMITS BUSINESSES IN A BIRTHRATE I WAS THOUGHT THIS WAS A BUSINESS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. SOMEBODY BEING EMPLOYED FOR A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION. MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A PROBLEM. THE RENTAL WAS BEING USED FOR BACHELOR PARTIES. THEY WERE GOING ON UNTIL 2:00 IN THE MORNING. IT WAS CRAZY. THE YARD WAS A WRECK THE NEXT MORNING.
IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU HAVE TO OWN YOUR HOME THREE YEARS BEFORE YOU CAN RENT IT. THIS ALSO SHUT DOWN THE INVESTORS THAT WANTED TO COME AND BUY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS GOING ON IN CARMEL. IF I COULD'VE BANNED IT ALL TOGETHER WITH NEIGHBORHOODS, IN MY OPINION, AIRBNB BELONGS SOMEWHERE, THEIR HOMES ALL OVER CARMEL THAT ARE BY THEMSELVES OR HAVE PROPERTY OR DO WHATEVER. THAT IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I DON'T WANT IT AS MY NEIGHBOR. I KNOW YOU APPRECIATE AND TREAT EVERYONE LIKE FAMILY. I WOULD TREAT THEM POLITELY BUT I LIKE KNOWING MY NEIGHBOR. I DON'T WANT A NEW NEIGHBOR EVERY OTHER MONTH, EVERY OTHER WEEK. I AGREE WITH THE DECISION MADE BY THE HEARING OFFICER WHEN IT HAPPENED. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT IS GOING TO STAND THIS TIME. AND I WILL SAY THE SAME THING I SAID TO SOMETHING PRIOR. NO MATTER HOW MANY IT COMES OUT OF HERE, REMEMBER, YOU LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE THERE. IF YOU ARE ON THE WINNING END OF THIS, GOOD FOR YOU, IF YOU ARE NOT, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SOME WORK TO DO. ANYBODY ELSE? SORRY, BRAD. DO I HAVE A
MOTION? >> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPEAL FOR DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2024-00180 SE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THIS APPROVAL IS FOR A LENGTH OF ONE YEAR.
>> I SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? BEFORE I CALL FOR A VOTE, I WILL REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER. SERVING BRAD HAS BEEN ONE OF THE GREATEST PLEASURES OF BEING A PERSON SERVING CARMEL. SORRY TO DISAGREE THIS TIME. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THAT IS 3-2.
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