[12.a. Fifth Reading of Ordinance D-2740-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 2, Article 1, Sections 2-1, 2-3, 2-6, 2-10, 2-12, 2-13 and 2-14 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen. Remains in the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee.]

11, OTHER REPORTS, THERE ARE NONE. BELIEVE IT OR NOT. ITEM 12, OLD BUSINESS. FIFTH READING OF ORDINANCE D-2740-24 . AND ORDINANCE THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, AMENDING CHAPTER TWO ARTICLE ONE SECTIONS OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE. SPONSORS, COUNSELOR GREEN AND AUSTIN. THIS REMAINS IN THE

[12.b. Fifth Reading of Ordinance D-2741-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 2, Article 6, Sections 2-301, 2-302 and 2-303, of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen. Remains in the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee.]

COMMITTEE. THE FIFTH READING ORDINANCE D-2741-24 AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF INDIANA TO -- 301, TWO -- 303, TO THE CARMEL CITY CODE SPENCE LETTERS TO THE FINANCE UTILITIES AND RULES COMMITTEE. WE WILL NOT ADDRESS AND BE REMOVING ITEM C FROM THE AGENDA PER COUNSELOR SNYDER.

[12.d. Second Reading of Ordinance D-2746-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing and Approving an Appropriation of Funds from the Marketing and Community Relations Budget (#1203) to Line Item 4359000 - Special Projects; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Taylor. Held over from 12/02/24 Council Meeting.]

MOVING ON , SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE. D-2746-24 , ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING AN APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS FROM THE MARKETING AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS BUDGET NUMBER 1203 LINE ITEM 43590000 , SPECIAL PROJECT SPONSORS COUNCILOR GREEN ANN TAYLOR. THIS WAS HELD OVER FROM THE DECEMBER 2ND 2024 COUNCIL MEETING. WE WILL PICK THIS BACK UP .

>> THANK YOU. IF I CAN, I WILL SPEAK ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE AS WELL AS THE CORRESPONDING RESOLUTION CC-12-02-24-01 SOMEWHAT TOGETHER. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY AS WE SPOKE OF LAST MEETING TOGETHER THESE TRANSFER $200,000 IN ESSENTIALLY EXCESS FUNDING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT , EXCESS BECAUSE THEY WERE FUNDED FOR VACANT POSITIONS AND ESSENTIALLY WERE NOT FILLED THIS YEAR AS WELL AS HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS THEY DIDN'T HAVE THIS YEAR. TRANSFERRING IT OVER WHERE 100,000 WILL BE GOING TOWARDS PRIME LIFE AND 100,000 TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY , I SENT SOME INFORMATION TO COUNCIL LAST WEEK, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT PRIME LIFE HAS IDENTIFIED , THERE NEEDS BEING SOME CAPITAL COST RELATED TO A DEHUMIDIFIER IN THEIR POOL AREA, AS WELL AS OPERATING SHORTFALL THAT THEY HAVE, AS WELL AS WANTING TO HIRE MORE DRIVERS. ESSENTIALLY THEY HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH I THINK THEY WILL APPLY THIS TOWARDS. WITH REGARDS TO THE CARMEL CLAY HISTORICAL SOCIETY, THEY ARE USING SOME OF IT TO FUND THE REMAINING CAPITAL NEED AND PROGRAMMING EXHIBITS AND ALSO THEY WILL CONTINUE, I THINK THE QUESTION CAME UP THEIR GOAL IS TO CONTINUE TO OFFER FREE ADMISSION TO THEIR VISITORS. AS A REMINDER, NOT ONLY THE ONE TIME 100,000 THIS YEAR, BUT THE BUDGET THAT

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COUNCIL PASSED BACK ON OCTOBER 21ST ALSO INCLUDED 50,000 FOR BOTH OF THOSE FOR 2025 AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH'S TO MARK

>> DO YOU KNOW ON THE MUSEUM, WILL 50,000 GUARANTEE THAT ADMISSION WILL BE ABLE TO BE NO CHARGE TO CARMEL RESIDENCE AND

26? >> I WOULD SAY THE WAY THEY PHRASE THE RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION THEY DO INTEND TO KEEP

ADMISSION FREE. >> GREAT. HIRING DRIVERS ONCE YOU HAVE THEM THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY NEXT YEAR. THE 50 GRAND, DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT IS IT OR IS THERE A CHANCE THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER REQUEST FOR MORE MONEY IN ADDITION?

>> I'VE MADE IT CLEAR TO BOTH ORGANIZATIONS THAT THE PLAN WAS FOR 100,000 THIS YEAR AND 50,000 IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

I SAID IT WAS LIKELY THAT WOULD BECOME AN ONGOING SOURCE CONSIDERING IT GETS FUNDED EACH YEAR. THEY UNDERSTAND PRETTY WELL THAT 50,000 IS THE EXTENT OF OUR COMMITMENT FOR NEXT

YEAR. >> I APPRECIATE THIS INFORMATION. I APPRECIATE THE NEW THING I THINK YOU WILL DO WITH GETTING THIS KIND OF INFORMATION TO US AHEAD. IN

QUEUE. >> WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A

MOTION TO APPROVE? >> SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. APPROVED 9-0. MOVING ON TO ITEM

[12.e. Resolution CC-12-02-24-01; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds from the Carmel Police Department Budget (Fund 1100) into the Marketing and Communications Department Budget (Fund 1203); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Taylor. Held over from 12/02/24 Council Meeting.]

12. 12 EE. RESOLUTION CC-12-02-24-01, RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA APPROVING A TRANSFER OF FUNDS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET FUND , NUMBER 1100, INTO THE MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT BUDGET FUND 1203 SPONSORS GREEN AND TAYLOR. THIS WAS HELD FROM THE DECEMBER 2ND COUNCIL MEETING. THIS IS TIED TO THE APPROPRIATE MONEY AND WE HAVE TO TRANSFER OVER THE MONEY.

ANYTHING ELSE? DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. APPROVED 9-0. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A GOOD TREND . I PROBABLY SCREWED IT RIGHT

[12.f. Resolution CC-12-02-24-04; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds within the Mayor’s Office Budget (#1160); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen. Held over from 12/02/24 Council Meeting.]

THERE. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ONTO 12 F. RESOLUTION CC-12-02-24-04 , A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA APPROVING A TRANSFER OF FUNDS WITHIN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BUDGET NUMBER 1160 SPONSORS COUNCILOR GREEN AND AASEN. THIS IS HELD OVER FROM THE DECEMBER 2ND 2024 COUNCIL

MEETING. >> THANK YOU. AS DISCUSSED LAST TIME , JUST A FEW MORE DETAILS I PROVIDED IN THE INFORMATION I PROVIDED TO COUNCIL I WILL START BY MENTIONING THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS ON TRACK TO PROBABLY REVERT AT LEAST 75, MAYBE 80,000 UNDER SPEND APPROPRIATION THIS YEAR BY THAT MUCH. KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE WAS A CHIEF OF STAFF POSITION IN THE SALARY ORDINANCE EARLIER THIS YEAR AND WHEN THAT WAS ADDED THERE WAS NO FUNDING MOVED INTO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO COVER THE COST OF THAT ADDITIONAL POSITION. THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAS ABSORBED THE COST OF THAT WITHOUT NEEDING MORE DOLLARS TO HAVE THAT POSITION, HOWEVER THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE APPROPRIATE EXPENSE LINES IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BUDGET. ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS REALLOCATING EXISTING FUNDING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO COVER THE SALARY COST FOR THE CHIEF OF STAFF POSITION THAT WAS ADDED EARLIER THIS YEAR. THE OTHER TRANSFER HERE IS FOR 10,000 TO GO TO THE FURNITURE AND FIXTURES LINE . I PROVIDED KIND OF A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT SPECIFICALLY WAS PAID FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE RELATIVE TO CITY HALL REMODELING RENOVATION , REHAB EXPENSES EARLIER THIS YEAR . ESSENTIALLY THIS WOULD RECEIVE AN APPROPRIATION OF 20,000 ACTUAL EXPENSES ARE 21,904 AND $.54 TRANSFERRING JUST IN CASE THEY DIDN'T WANT

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TO COME BACK AND SAY IF ONE OTHER EXPENSE I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT , BUT ESSENTIALLY THE EXPENSES THAT WERE POSTED HERE, ALMOST 24,000 CONSISTS OF SPENDING WITH DESIGN HOUSE OR DESIGN SERVICES , COUNTERTOPS, RESTROOM, WALLCOVERING SHADES AND ACCENT LIGHTING AS WELL AS SOME PURCHASES FROM AMAZON FOR DESK EQUIPMENT AND ARTWORK . THE INFORMATION I SENT TO COUNCIL ON THURSDAY DID HAVE KIND OF A COMPLETE LISTING , I THINK ANYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY TRY TO ASSOCIATE WITH REMODELING OR REHAB TYPE COST THIS YEAR THAT THE GRAND TOTAL OF THAT WAS I THINK 470,000 IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY . I WOULD PROBABLY ARGUE SOME OF THOSE MAY NOT REALLY BE TRUE REMODELING COST FROM THE STANDPOINT WE WEREN'T REALLY COUNTING FIXING THE TWISTED SIDEWALK TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING AS A REMODELING EXPENSE. ALSO SOME PURCHASES FOR AV TYPE EQUIPMENT . WE NEED TO OCCASIONALLY UPDATE AV OR ADD TVS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE DO A REMODEL OR NOT. THESE ARE THE EXTENT OF EXPENSES PAID FOR FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BUDGET. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS PAID OUT OF THE FACILITY MANAGEMENT BUDGET KNOWN AS GENERAL ADMIN. WE HAVE A

[12.g. Resolution CC-12-02-24-05; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds within the Marketing and Community Relations Department Budget (#1203); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Aasen. Held over from 12/02/24 Council Meeting.]

APPROVED 9-0. MOVING ON TO ITEM G, RESOLUTION CC-12-02-24-05 , A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA APPROVING A TRANSFER OF FUNDS WITHIN THE MARKETING AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS BUDGET NUMBER 1203, SPONSORS COUNCILOR GREEN AND AASEN. THIS IS HELD OVER FROM DECEMBER 2ND 2024

COUNCIL MEETING. >> DEJA VU. THIS ONE IS COMING BACK IN AT A LOWER AMOUNT THAN WHAT WE HAD ON HERE PREVIOUSLY.

THE LAST MEETING WAS TO 75. IT'S BEEN LOWERED TO 225 . FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, MAC IS ON TRACK TO I THINK IN THE EMAIL I SENT THURSDAY 200,000. IT'S LOOKING NOW LIKE IT MIGHT BE NORTH OF 250,000 IN WHICH THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR TOTAL APPROPRIATION THIS YEAR. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY TO REALLOCATE $225,000 WITHIN THEIR EXISTING BUDGET . THE PIECE WE MOVED OFF THAT WAS WORTH 50 WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR SOME FURNITURE PURCHASES THAT WERE BASICALLY FORGOING OR GOING WITH A MUCH LOWER TOTAL . I THINK WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT MAYBE FIVE GRAND . THE AVAILABLE FUNDING COMES FROM THE CABLE CHANNEL PRODUCTIONS WITHIN THEIR BUDGET AND ESSENTIALLY AS THE OMNI CONTRACT IS I BELIEVE NO LONGER BEING USED AS MUCH AT ALL? I THINK WE ARE USING GEORGE AND HAL. THOSE COSTS ARE BEING PAID FOR SEPARATELY, IT NO LONGER RUNS THROUGH THE CABLE CHANNEL PRODUCTIONS EXPENSE LINE . MY UNDERSTANDING IS BACK IN JANUARY COUNCIL APPROVED TWO NEW POSITIONS . ESSENTIALLY THESE ARE FUNDING THE NEW POSITIONS THAT COUNCIL AUTHORIZED SO WE ARE MOVING DOLLARS TO PERSONAL SERVICES OUT OF THE CABLE CHANNEL LINE. THE OTHER PART IS THERE ARE SOME EXPENSES FOR VIDEO PRODUCTION THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PROBABLY BUDGETED FOR IN THE CABLE CHANNEL PRODUCTION LINE.

THEY WEREN'T REALLY FOR CABLE CHANNEL PRODUCTION. IT WAS ANOTHER TYPE OF VIDEO PRODUCTION SO WE ARE MOVING DOLLARS OUT OF CABLE CHANNEL PRODUCTION OVER TO THE VIDEO PRODUCTION LINE. IT WILL PAY THAT OUT OF A MORE APPROPRIATE EXPENSE LINE. THE TOTAL WAS 224,000. THEY ARE ON TRACK TO REVERT ABOUT AS MUCH IF NOT MORE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.

>> DO WE NEED TO AMEND? THE AMOUNT IS DIFFERENT THAN ORIGINAL. I KNOW IT SAYS 225 IN OUR AGENDA RIGHT NOW.

>> IT IS THE RIGHT NUMBER. IT'S ALREADY BEEN AMENDED.

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>> ALL RIGHT. >> MAY BE JUST A CLARIFIER. ARE WE NOW DOING ALL VIDEO PRODUCTION? ALL IN-HOUSE? WE AREN'T USING CONTRACTORS ANYMORE? OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOU

BEING HERE. >> ARE VIDEO PRODUCTION IS ALMOST ENTIRELY IN-HOUSE NOW. YES, THE ONLY TIME WE WOULD EVER USE THAT WE HAD TO MOVE SOME FEES FOR A LITTLE VIDEO PRODUCTION AND A FEW OTHER THINGS OVER IS WHEN WE HAD TO GO OUT OF HOUSE JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF VIDEOGRAPHY WE WERE DOING AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT IT EXCEEDED WHAT WE CAN DO IN-HOUSE AND WOULD HAVE TO ADD IT. 95% OF OUR

VIDEOGRAPHY IS DONE IN-HOUSE. >> IS THE GOAL TO NOT HAVE TO USE OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS NOW THAT YOU'VE GOT YOUR OWN TEAM AND YOU CAN MANAGE THEIR TIME?

>> YEAH. WE NOW HAVE ALL OF THE PRODUCTION EQUIPMENT AND WE ARE GETTING THE REST OF THAT THAT WE NEED. WE SHOULD BE A FULLY FUNCTIONING VIDEOGRAPHY DEPARTMENT.

>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >> YOU OPENED WITH FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH THEY ARE UNDERMINING THEIR BUDGET BY $250,000. THAT'S WORTH $250,000. I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS A VERY HARSH CRITIC OF ALL SPENDING ON MANY THINGS THEY PROBABLY COULD'VE GONE ON A SHOPPING SPREE AND GOT A BUNCH OF FURNITURE AND DONE A LOT OF COOL THINGS AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN. YET THEY HAD THE AVAILABLE FUNDS AND DIDN'T SPEND IT AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND WORTH NOTING AND I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THE INFORMATION WE'VE GOTTEN IS THE LAST MEETING ON THESE TRANSFERS HAS BEEN WONDERFUL . FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS AND GOING THROUGH THAT AND DOING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. I THINK WE ALL LEARNED A LOT. I THINK THAT TRANSITION AND PROCESS HAS PUT US IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE TYPES OF THINGS. THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU HAVE FURNITURE NEEDS AND THEY ARE NEEDS , BY ALL MEANS GO FOR IT. WE WANT OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE IN DESKS THAT MATTER AND THEY ARE NOT JUST CITE THINGS. MAKE SURE YOU BRING THOSE THINGS FORWARD. CONTINUE TO TELL THE STORY LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN HERE THE END-OF-THE-YEAR INTO THE

FUTURE. >> I WANTED TO ECHO THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS INFORMATION. IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT IN THE FUTURE.

>> ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE GOOD THINGS, AND EMOTIONS?

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> PLEASE VOTE. IT IS APPROVED

[13.a. First Reading of Ordinance Z-694-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Establishing The Towne 146 Planned Unit Development District; Sponsor: Councilor Minnaar.]

9-0. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM 13. PUBLIC HEARINGS. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE Z-694-24 , AN ORDINANCE TO THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA ESTABLISHING THE TOWN 146 PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SPONSORS COUNCILOR MANNAR . CAN I GET A MOTION TO INTRODUCE? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE READ THE SYNOPSIS.

>> THIS ESTABLISHED THE TOWN UNIT ORDINANCE . THE ORDINANCE WOULD REZONE THE REAL ESTATE FROM S1 RESIDENTIAL TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ALLOWING THE DEVELOPMENT OF MIXED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD LAID OUT IN THE STYLE AND CHARACTER AS DEPICTED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN ATTACHED TO EXHIBIT B WHICH INCLUDES SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES

AND TOWNHOMES. >> ALL RIGHT. JOHN, GO AHEAD

AND BRIEF US UP ON 146. >> THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING.

I'VE GOT A FEW EXHIBITS TO SHARE WITH YOU. I'M A LAND-USE PROFESSIONAL. WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. PRESENT TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT . THE PROJECT ENGINEER AND SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE TOWNE 146 PUD TO PERMIT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. IT WILL INCLUDE TWO-STORY TOWNHOMES,

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SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED RANCH HOMES AND SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED TWO-STORY HOMES . ON NOVEMBER 19TH , EARLIER THIS YEAR , AFTER THREE MONTHS AND FIVE MEETINGS TO REVIEW THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO SEND THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

OUR UNDERSTANDING IS STAFF PROVIDED CITY COUNCIL WITH A DETAILED REPORT REGARDING THE REQUEST AND TONIGHT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL SOME MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE PROPOSAL WHICH INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING, REMOVAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NOTE, REDUCTION IN NUMBER OF HOMES, LANDSCAPING AND OPEN-SPACE ENHANCEMENTS INCLUDING PRESERVATION, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY ENHANCEMENTS AND THE ADDITION OF RENTAL RESTRICTIONS BY COMMITMENT. THE REAL ESTATE IS IDENTIFIED ON THE PHOTO YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN PRESENTLY. IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF 146 STREET . IT CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 16 ACRES. THE REAL ESTATE IS ADJACENT TO THE SADDLE CREEK COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITIES TO OUR EAST. 146 AND TOWNE ROAD TO THE NORTH AND WEST RESPECTIVELY . THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED TO BE THE FRONTAGE ROAD NETWORK ALONG WITH THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DIVIDED 146 STREET. THIS EXHIBIT IS ALSO INCLUDED BEHIND TAB TWO OF THE PRESSURES WE PROVIDED. IT SHOWS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH AND EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TO OUR EAST AND SOUTH. AS SHOWN OF 146 STREET IN THE CITY OF WESTFIELD 'S PLAN FOR LARGE RETAIL AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. HE SAYS OF THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT OF THE INTERSECTION ARE ALSO PLANNED FOR MULTI FAMILY AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES EXIST IN SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS WEST OF TOWNE ROAD AND SOUTH OF REAL ESTATE. I WANTED TO START BY SHOWING YOU THE PLAN REVIEWED EARLIER THIS YEAR , INTRODUCED AND REFUSED , THIS IS NOT THE FINAL PLAN. I WANTED TO POINT OUT A FEW ITEMS FOR THE BENEFIT OF DISCUSSION, THE EXHIBIT ON DISPLAY, THIS IS THE OLD PLAN THAT INCLUDES 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL HERE AND THE ELIMINATION OF ALL THE WETLANDS OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF REAL ESTATE. THIS IS THE REVISED UPDATED PLAN RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL COMPONENT WAS REMOVED. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE LOT CONFIGURATION WERE MADE TO PRESERVE 100% OF THE WETLAND AREA. THIS IS THAT AREA HERE. IT'S GOT A BUFFER AROUND IT.

THE ONLY ENCROACHMENT WOULD BE EXTENSION OF THE TRAIL WHICH CONNECTS WITH THE EXISTING TRAIL CONSTRUCTED WITHIN FOR CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE SITE. THE PLAN PROVIDES FOR MORE OPEN-SPACE THAN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT FOR APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES . THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL TREES REQUIRED ON THE CELL PERIMETER. YOU CAN SEE THOSE HERE. IN ADDITION TO THAT , 10 TREES PER ACRE SO 30 ADDITIONAL TREES WILL BE PROVIDED THROUGH OPEN SPACE AREAS IN ADDITION TO THE WETLAND AREA. THAT'S FOR A TOTAL OF 67 ADDITIONAL TREES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE REQUIRED FOR DEVELOPMENT ON REAL ESTATE. THE CONCEPT PLAN NOW INCLUDES A TOTAL OF 87 LOTS CONSISTING OF 17 RANCH HOMES, 12 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS AND 58 TWO-STORY TOWNHOMES. HOMES ORIGINALLY PROPOSED OVER A LARGER AREA WITH A COMMERCIAL POSITION HERE NOW REMOVED. ALONG THE SOUTH PERIMETER OF THE SITE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY RANCH HOMES. THIS WAS MODIFIED AFTER RECEIVING ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM COUNCIL AS WELL AS PLANNING COMMISSION AND PAYING REGARD TO THE HOUSING STUDY BEING REVIEWED OVER THE SUMMER. THE FIRST FLOOR OF THOSE HOMES WILL PROVIDE FIRST FOUR PRIMARY BEDROOMS. ADDITIONALLY, THE HOMES , THOSE HERE ALL THE SINGLE-FAMILY WILL PROVIDE OPTIONS FOR BOTH RANCH AND TWO-STORY BUT PREDOMINANTLY TWO-STORY , BUT HAVE HOMES AVAILABLE FOR FIRST-FLOOR MASTER BEDROOMS. THEY ARE LOCATED HERE ALONG TOWNE ROAD AT 146 STREET. THE TOWNHOMES ARE PREDOMINANTLY LOCATED INTERNAL TO THE SITE. AS PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND REVIEW PROCESS STAFF SUGGESTED COLOR VARIATION AND RETREATMENT PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT . ALL

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ELEVATIONS OF ALL HOMES REGARDLESS OF LOCATION ON REAL ESTATE PROVIDE MASONRY ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF ALL HOMES. THE STORM WATER POND HERE WAS REPOSITIONED AND PRESERVED 100% OF THE WETLAND AREA. FURTHER, A 10 FOOT AREA WALKWAY FEATURE WILL CROSS TO ACTIVATE THE AREA AND INTRODUCE THE PUBLIC INTO THAT OPEN-SPACE. ALL WALKWAYS IN THE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING THE AREA AROUND THE OPEN-SPACE AND POND WILL BE OPEN FOR THE USE AND ENJOYMENT OF THE PUBLIC SO THERE'S NO RESTRICTION THAT SPECIFICALLY REGULATES IT SO IT'S ONLY AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS. IT'LL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ALONG WITH ALL THE PATHS. FINALLY, RENTAL RESTRICTION WAS MADE. THOSE WERE REVIEWED BY COUNCILMAN ARE AND REVIEW THAT AS WELL. THOSE ARE MADE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT WAS A CONCERN OF THE COMMISSION THAT A NUMBER OF THE DWELLINGS WOULD BE BOUGHT INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS . THOSE COMMITMENTS ELIMINATE OR SEVERELY RESTRICT THE ABILITY FOR AN INSTITUTIONAL INVESTOR TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONSTRUCTION HERE. REGARDING THE CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- FORGIVE ME FOR A MINUTE.

REGARDING THE CARMEL PLAN THIS IS AN INFILL SITE WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS WEST NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL AS A TYPICAL COURT OR PROVISIONS OF JUDEO AND PLAN. THIS IS AN AREA WHERE MIXED-USE COMMUNITY INCLUDING SMALL OR FOR-SALE OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AND MULTIPLE HOME PRODUCT OFFERINGS ARE RECOMMENDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE LOCATION SERVES AS A TRANSITION AS I DESCRIBED DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE AND EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE SOUTH . CITY STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED POLICIES WITH THE PLAN WHICH CALL FOR EXPANDING A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS AND PROMOTING HOUSING OPTIONS TO SUPPORT AGING IN PLACE . STAFF FURTHER NOTES THE SITE IS LAID OUT WITH SENSITIVITY TO THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISIONS, LARGE SETBACKS AND IF SINGLE-FAMILY TRANSITION ADJACENT TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG WITH A LIMITED TWO-STORY HEIGHT THAT CRUSHES THE SITE. ALL OUR MAXIMUM TWO-STORY IN HEIGHT BUT ALONG THE SOUTH PERIMETER ADJACENT IT IS 100% SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS WITH A WIDER BUFFER WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY TYPICAL OF SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IN CONCLUSION, OUR TEAM WORKED DILIGENTLY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO ADDRESS COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS WE RECEIVED . AS NOTED, AFTER IT'S REVIEWED THE COMMISSION VOTED TO SEND THE PROPOSAL TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT AT THE CONCLUSION OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION THE MATTER WILL BE FORWARDED TO LAND-USE COMMITTEE. IT WAS IDENTIFIED THEY WON'T MEET IN DECEMBER BUT PICK BACK UP IN JANUARY AFTER THE COMMITTEE CONCLUDES ITS REVIEW WE WENT BACK IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION CONSIDERATION, PERHAPS LATER IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY AFTER THEY CONCLUDE THE REVIEW.

I WILL BE GLAD TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL HAD AT THIS TIME OR AT THE CONCLUSION OF YOUR PUBLIC HEARING.

>> THIS WILL DEFINITELY GO TO LAND-USE.

>> I WANT TO MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT. SOMETIMES WILL SEND US EMAILS ASKING US TO VOTE YES OR VOTE NO ON A PROPOSAL AS SOON AS IT'S BEEN FILED WITH THE PLAN COMMISSION OR EVEN BEFORE IT'S BEEN FILED WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT IT. OFTEN I TELL THEM TO MAYBE WATCH THE PROCESS, SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE, I WILL COMPLEMENT THE COMMISSION TAKING SOMETHING AND REALLY PUTTING IN A LOT OF WORK. I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK. THIS IS MASSIVELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. I APPRECIATE MINNAAR'S WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE PLAN COMMISSION AND I THINK IT'S A LESSON TO LET THE PROCESS PLAY OUT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE SEE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS AND I'M SURE LAND-USE WILL SEE MORE TOO.

>> THANK YOU. I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS BUT A FEW COMMENTS. I

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WANT TO THINK THE COMMISSION AND PETITIONER FOR WORKING TO PRESERVE THE WETLANDS AND THE TREES IN THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY . THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT CHANGE. THANK YOU FOR REMOVING THE COMMERCIAL NODE WHICH AT THE VERY BEGINNING I DIDN'T INC. WAS NEEDED BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BEEN DEVELOPED ACROSS THE STREET. I APPRECIATE THE REMOVAL OF THAT. I WAS A STRONG PROPONENT OF THAT. I ALSO WANT TO THINK COUNCILOR MINNAAR WITH STARTING A TREND THAT WILL HOPEFULLY CONTINUE TO SEE FROM THE COMMISSION AS PUSHING FOR RENTAL RESTRICTION AND NEW NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO CONVINCE NEIGHBORS AFTER THESE ARE ALREADY IN PLACE THROUGH MUCH MORE DIFFICULT PROCESS TO GET THEM IN PLACE ONCE THE HOA IS TURNED OVER TO THE NEIGHBOR. MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO, AND I BELIEVE YOU ANSWERED THIS, BUT I CANNOT REMEMBER THE ANSWER, THERE WILL BE A PAYMENT OF PARK IMPACT FEES FOR EACH UNIT DEVELOPED IN THIS PROPERTY? THE SECOND QUESTION WAS THE TRAIL THROUGH THE WETLANDS MANY TIMES , I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS ISN'T JUST GOING TO BE A DIRT OR GRAVEL PATH, IT'LL BE A.D.A. ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE WETLANDS? THANK YOU. ITEM 12 , I PUSHED VERY HARD FOR FIRST-FLOOR MASTERS. WE ARE SAYING THAT. REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER ELSE CAME OUT OF THE HOUSING STUDY, SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO ME WAS THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO INVEST IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR DECADES AND BE ABLE TO STAY WHEN THEY WANT TO AGENT HOME. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE CHANGES. ONE THING I WILL ASK IS THE 12 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN AREA B, I WOULD LIKE, IF WE CAN WORK THROUGH THIS MAYBE AS MY REQUEST, IS THAT FIRST-FLOOR MASTERS IS JUST NOT AN OPTION.

PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE ONLY FLOOR PLAN TO OFFER INCLUDE FIRST-FLOOR MASTERS IN THE AREA B 12. WE KNOW THAT IS HIGH IN DEMAND. I'M ASSUMING MINNAAR HAS MARKET RESEARCH THAT KNOWS THAT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL AND MAY LIMIT THE OPTION OF AN UPSTAIRS MASTER, BUT I THINK AS WE LOOK AT LIMITED SPACE AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE NEED TO START ACCOMMODATING THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE THAT INVEST IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR DECADES. ARE SENIORS. THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I THOUGHT BY SENDING IT TO COMMITTEE WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSION BUT SINCE WE ARE, YOU KEEP REFERRING IT AS WETLANDS. IS IT DESIGNATED? EVENTUALLY THE WETLAND WILL OBSERVE THE TREES AND IT WILL GO AWAY. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN NATIONAL PROGRESSION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR AND WE ARE NOT SELLING THIS AS A WOODED AREA WHEN AS A WETLAND EXPANDS THE SPECIES WILL CHANGE. IT'LL TURN OVER. JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS WE SHOW THIS DENSE WOOD AREA . I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT THIS FURTHER. THANK YOU.

>> I WANT TO THANK THE PETITIONER AND PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WORKING WITH US AND TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING WE WANTED OUT OF THIS PROJECT WHICH WE WILL DISCUSS IN LAND-USE. THE OTHER I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON YOUR RADAR WHICH WE DID DISCUSS WHAT WENT NOWHERE IS POSSIBLY WORKING WITH MINNAAR TO HAVE FIRST RIGHTS FOR CARMEL RESIDENCE FOR THE FIRST-FLOOR MASTERS AS WELL. THANK YOU. IS

WANTED ON YOUR RADAR. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYMORE QUESTIONS BEFORE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL START THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:58. I HAVE SOME BLUE CARDS FOR US. IF YOU COULD COME UP TO THE PODIUM , YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THE

MICROPHONE IS ON. >> I WAS HOPING I WOULD HAVE A PICTURE TO ORIENT YOU. DON'T START MY TIME UNTIL I SHOW YOU.

CAN I ORIENT YOU BEFORE? OKAY. PERFECT, THANK YOU. I WILL SHOW YOU THIS, I APOLOGIZE MY CLINIC OFFICE IT WAS IN COLOR BUT YOU HAVE TO SUFFER THROUGH MY CHILDREN'S HIGHLIGHTERS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS AUDRA MOORE. I LIVE IN SADDLE CREEK DIRECTLY

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SOUTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT, SO RIGHT AROUND HERE. AS MANY OF MY NEIGHBOS, I MOVED TO CARMEL SPECIFICALLY PURSUING A QUALITY OF LIFE I COULDN'T FIND ANYWHERE ELSE AND I FOUND IT HERE. THIS IS WHY I'M SO INVESTED IN PRESERVING THAT QUALITY OF LIFE. I'VE TAKEN PART IN SOME REBRANDING INITIATIVES AND I'M EXCITED TO TAKE PART AGAIN. WHAT WE FOUND THROUGH THE AGGREGATE DATA FROM OUR CITIZENS WAS THERE WERE SOME REALLY SALIENT THEMES THAT CAME FROM THAT DATA THAT REALLY RESONATED WITH ME WHEN I MOVED HERE. THAT IS THE DISTINCTLY CARMEL REBRANDING. WHAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT WAS THE PRESERVATION OF OUR UNIQUE QUALITY OF LIFE THROUGH CONSCIENTIOUS DEVELOPMENT THAT PRIORITIZE QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENTS OVER THE PURSUIT OF MAXIMAL DENSITY. CULTIVATION OF BEAUTIFUL OPEN GREEN SPACE AREAS AND THE OVERALL AESTHETIC OF OUR COMMUNITIES. THERE'S NO PLACE MORE IMPORTANT TO DEMONSTRATE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN US AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES THAN AT THE LINE OF DEMARCATION WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE 146 LINE. WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE IS A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT YOU WILL ALSO SEE RIGHT HERE IN THE CORNER THAT'S BEEN DESIGNATED AS THE GATEWAY TO WESTFIELD.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A LARGE SIGNAGE THAT WILL BE VERY LARGE UP TO KIND OF DRAW DISTINCTION BETWEEN CARMEL AND WESTFIELD .

I DON'T SEE IT AS A THREAT, I SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CARMEL TO STAND DOWN THE FOUNDATION OF OUR QUALITY OF LIFE HERE VERY DIFFERENT, WE DON'T PURSUE DENSITIES FOR THE SAKE OF IT BECAUSE WE CAN PUT A HOUSE DOESN'T MEAN WE DO. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEEN PROPOSALS AND I REALLY THINK MINNAAR, THE PROPOSAL HAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION A LOT OF OUR CONCERNS. IT LOOKS VASTLY DIFFERENT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THE DENSITY IS STILL QUITE HIGHER THAN ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE CARMEL SIDE. WHEN YOU LOOK HERE YOU SEE A DENSITY, BUT 1.5 UNITS PER ACRE, SADDLE CREEK IS 1.5 PER ACRE. OVERHEAR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT , BEDFORD FALLS IS 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE. AMBLESIDE IS 4.5 AND THEN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS 5.5 UNITS PER ACRE. THOSE ARE FOUND IN THE AREA BUT ON THE NORTH SIDE. WESTFIELD PURSUES DENSITIES 5.5 UNITS PER ACRE. MY CONCERN IS WHEN WE PURSUE DENSITIES SOMETIMES YOU LOSE OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT COMES FROM THE OPEN GREEN SPACES. THE BEAUTIFUL AREAS WHEN PEOPLE COME ACROSS THEY SEE AND NOTICE THEY COULD'VE PUT HOUSES HERE BUT INSTEAD WE HAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL AREAS. THE DENSITIES ARE BETTER BUT IT STILL 5.5, IT STILL MORE CONSISTENT WITH PROPERTIES ACROSS THE ROAD AND THE WESTFIELD DEVELOPMENT. NOW THAT WE DO HAVE THE 29 TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN AREAS FOR ELDERLY WHEN YOU DO INCREASE DENSITY WHAT YOU LOSE IS SOME OF THE GREEN SPACE. I WOULD ASK WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE GATHERING, WHERE WILL THEY SPEND THEIR TIME? IF YOU DID CONNECT THOSE AREAS TO THE REST OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS BY DECREASING THE DENSITY WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE IS A COHESIVE GREEN SPACE EXPERIENCE THAT WOULD UNITE THOSE COMMUNITIES. I PRESENT THE DENSITIES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH CARMEL'S OVERALL PURPOSE AND THAT IS CREATING BEAUTIFUL LIVING SPACES BY DECREASING DENSITIES AND OPENING UP A LITTLE MORE OF THOSE GREEN SPACE AREAS FOR COMMUNITY USE. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT, CHRIS POTTS.

>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. I'VE BEEN A BOARD MEMBER ON THE HOA FOR THE LAST 15, 20 YEARS. WE HAVE 466 RESIDENCE IN SADDLE CREEK AND THEY ARE PRETTY VOCAL. WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY LIKE. ONE OF THE CONCERNS I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE CREATION OF WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING DESCRIBED AS THE SUPER POND OVER HERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THIS INVOLVED WORKING OUT ABOUT 30, 40 MATURE TREES, SOME 80 YEARS OLD . THEY SPEAK TO THIS AND THEREFORE HISTORY REPORT. TREES ARE IN GOOD CONDITION. REALLY FOR THEM TO BE RIPPED OUT APART FROM THEM FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO INCREASE THEIR DENSITY. THE SUPER POND ISN'T NEEDED FOR THIS PROJECT REALLY. IT IS ONE

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THAT HELPS OBTAIN A HIGHER LEVEL OF DENSITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO THE SPACE ALREADY. I HAVE CHANGED THINGS . DENSITY JUST BEEN REDUCED BY FIVE HOMES. THE CREATION OF THE SUPER POND WON'T ALLOW FOR ANY WATER STAGING BETWEEN THE POND AND THE SIDE POND ULTIMATELY RUNS INTO THE TENT INTERCONNECTING POND SYSTEMS THAT SADDLE CREEK HAS. WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN INDEPENDENT POND IN THIS DEVELOPMENT . IT WILL DEFINITELY HELP WITH WATER STAGING ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE RUNOFF NOT ONLY FROM THIS PROPERTY BUT WE GET THROUGH TO ABSORB IN SADDLE CREEK IN THE 146 STREET RUNOFF AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMING IN FROM WESTFIELD IS ALL COMING THROUGH OUR PROPERTIES. WE HAVE UNDERSIZED OUTLETS AS IT IS. WE SUFFER FROM EROSION, THE DRAWDOWN AFFECTS, WE'VE SPENT OVER 30,000 ON ONE OF THE PONDS VERY CLOSE TO THIS RESTORING EROSION ISSUES. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS AN INDEPENDENT POND. A BIGGER POND CREATES A DEEPER POND AND IN A FAMILY-FRIENDLY COMMUNITY YOU'RE EXPOSING YOUNG ONES TO DEEPER WATERS . WHEN YOU GET YOU WILL HAVE TO HOAS SAYING IT WAS ON YOUR SIDE , THE ALGAE BLOOM IS ON YOUR SIDE. VERY EASILY BY HAVING INDEPENDENT POND WE GET AWAY FROM THE CONFLICT. IN A SIMPLE WAY I WOULD PROPOSE DOING THIS SIMPLY HYPING OR SUGGESTED AT ONE OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS. PIPING BETWEEN THE TWO PONDS . AN ENGINEER BETTER THAN ME WOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT WE NOT ONLY KEEP ALL THESE HISTORIC TREES , BUT WE CREATE THE INDEPENDENT POND , WE GET WATER TO FLOW THROUGH AND STAGE THE WATER AT THE SAME TIME. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. CINDY JOHNSON.

>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING INDIVIDUALS TO SHARE THOUGHTS WITH THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING AND FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK ON BEHALF OF CARMEL RESIDENCE. MY NAME IS CINDY JOHNSON AND I LIVE IN SADDLE CREEK. CHRIS AND AUDRA SPOKE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE TOWNE 146 DEVELOPMENT . I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN BROADER TERMS REGARDING DEVELOPMENT IN CARMEL. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR 25 YEARS AND HAVE LOVED LIVING IN THIS COMMUNITY. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS CARMEL HAS BEEN NAMED ONE OF THE TOP CITIES IN THE COUNTRY TO RESIDE AND THAT IS QUITE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. SEVERAL FACTORS ARE CONSIDERED FOR THIS DESIGNATION INCLUDING INFRASTRUCTURE, SCHOOLS AND OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. AS CARMEL HAS GROUND AVAILABLE LAND HAS BECOME MORE SCARCE. THE TREND IS TO BUILD UP AS OPPOSED TO OUT RESULTING IN HEIGHTENED DENSITY. THIS MAKES SENSE IN AREAS CLOSE TO THE CITY CENTER AND ALSO FITS IN WITH THE OVERALL LANDSCAPE. HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS WITH ADJOINING SUBURBAN LOW-DENSITY NEIGHBORHOODS LOOK OUT OF PLACE AND OVERDEVELOPED . FOR EXAMPLE, THE SITE HOMES FACING 146 STREET REALLY APPEAR AS A WALL OF CONCRETE THAT IS UNLIKE ANYTHING ELSE FOR MILES AROUND.

AS MENTIONED, THE DENSITY OF 146 DEVELOPMENT IS 5.5 HOMES PER ACRE, ALMOST ONE POINT HIGHER THAN AMBLESIDE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS ONE FOURTH THE SIZE OF AMBLESIDE.

MY CONCERN IS THE DENSITY WILL BILLY INCREASE RESULTING IN NEGATIVE AFFECTS. WHILE IT IS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE , INCREDIBLY HIGH DENSITY MEANS A LARGER NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS AND A HIGHER INFLUX OF RESIDENCE. LONG-TERM CONSIDERATION SHOULD GIVEN TO THE OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE , WEAR AND TEAR AND TRAFFIC ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY, NOT JUST A STUDY FOR A SPECIFIC SITE. ADDITIONALLY, A LARGER NUMBER OF RESIDENCE CAN RESULT IN SCHOOLS BECOMING OVERCROWDED , AFFECTING THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION WHICH IS A HUGE

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SELLING POINT FOR CARMEL. AS YOU EVALUATE THE TOWNE 146 DEVELOPMENT AND ALL CARMEL DEVELOPMENT MY HOPE IS THAT YOU CONSIDER IMPLICATIONS ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY OF CARMEL. YOU HOLD THE KEY TO THE FUTURE OF CARMEL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING -- WE HAVE ONE MORE. GO AHEAD. I'M GOING TO TIME YOU. I'M KIDDING.

>> THANK YOU. I LIVE IN WEST CARMEL. I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THE REQUEST THE CITY NOT SCHEDULE IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL MEETINGS FOR THE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS. TO WHOEVER THAT APPLIES TO. REGARDING THE TOWNE 146 B ZONE PROPOSAL THERE HAVE BEEN SOME IMPORTANT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN . HOWEVER, I BELIEVE MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE TO LOWER THE DENSITY WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND IT WAS THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN AND ALL THE LETTERS WRITTEN TO THE PLAN COMMISSION.

I BELIEVE THERE ARE TOO MANY TOWNHOMES. THEY TAKE UP TWO THIRDS OF THE PROPOSED UNITS. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE VAST MAJORITY OF DWELLING UNITS BE THEY NEEDED FRENCH STYLE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES FOR DOWNSIZE HER'S AND STARTER FAMILIES. I BELIEVE FIRST FLOOR BEDROOMS SHOULD BE REQUIRED ALONG WITH UNIVERSAL DESIGN STANDARDS IN ALL HOMES MEANT FOR SENIORS BECAUSE IF THE FIRST BUYER DOESN'T PUT IT IN IT WILL NEVER BE BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE AGING IN PLACE.

THIS DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HAD MANY TIMES ON PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE CALLED FOR SENIOR AGING IN PLACE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE UNIVERSAL DESIGN OR FIRST FLOOR BEDROOMS. IT SHOULD NOT BE AN OPTION AND NEEDS TO BE BUILT IN FROM THE START. I LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING OTHER ISSUES AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT'S HAPPENING. THANK

YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT

[13.b. First Reading of Ordinance Z-695-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending the Gramercy Planned Unit Development District (Z-493-06); Sponsor: Councilor Minnaar.]

7:12. THIS WILL BE GOING TO LAND-USE. MOVING ON TO ITEM 13 B , AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL THE CITY OF CARMEL INDIANA AMENDING THE GRAMERCY PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR MINNAAR. IS THERE A SECOND?

PLEASE READ THE SYNOPSIS. >> THIS ESTABLISHES AN AMENDMENT TO THE GRAMERCY PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ORDINANCE NUMBER IS E- 493-06 WHICH AMENDMENT SHALL BE REFERRED TO AS A 2024 GRAMERCY PUD AMENDMENT ORDINANCE. THE 2024 GRAMERCY PUD AMENDMENT. THE GRAMERCY PUD AMENDMENT MEN'S CERTAIN POSITIONS THAT ORDINANCE NUMBER IS E- 493-06 AS AMENDED PERTAINING TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND BUILDING ARCHITECTURE .

>> THANK YOU. JOHN.

>> NATHAN HARRIS, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT WITH BUCKINGHAM AS PRESIDENT. AS WELL AS OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TEAM. I KNOW A BRIEF SYNOPSIS WAS PROVIDED BY WAY OF GENERAL BACKGROUND , IN 2006 THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS ORDINANCE Z49306 THAT PERMITTED MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT OF THE FORMER MOHAWK HILLS APARTMENT COMMUNITY AND GOLF COURSE. AFTER ADOPTION IN 2006 THEY WERE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE ECONOMY AND HOUSING INDUSTRY THAT PREVENTED THE OVERALL PLAN FOR THE GRAMERCY PUD FROM ADVANCING FORWARD AT THAT TIME AGAIN IN 2006 BY WAY OF EXAMPLE BUCKINGHAM RETURNED TO THE PLAN COMMISSION AND COUNCIL IN 2018 RECEIVED APPROVAL OF THE GRAMERCY WEST DEVELOPMENT. AT THIS TIME BUCKINGHAM IS PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO THE GRAMERCY PUD WITH A PLAN DESIGNED FOR AN URBAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON A PORTION OF THE OVERALL PROPERTY

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. THAT PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED HERE IN YELLOW . IT ENCOMPASSES APPROXIMATELY 33 ACRES. IT'S GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH ADJACENT TO CITY CENTER AND EAST AND WEST SIDES OF KINZER AVENUE. IT RUNS HERE AND WILL GO THROUGH THE CARMEL MARKETPLACE DEVELOPMENT. ADDITIONALLY, THE 2024 GRAMERCY AMENDMENT IS A PROJECT AS I MENTIONED TO THE BACK AND HAVE DEVELOPMENT MARKETPLACE . THAT IS HERE. THAT REASON APPROVAL WENT TO THE PLANNIN COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AND WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER. JUST ON SEPTEMBER 16TH. EARLIER THIS YEAR BOTH THAT DEVELOPMENT AND GRAMERCY EAST WAS APPROVED AND WENT THROUGH REDEVELOPMENT AND EFFORT AS FAR AS THIS ORDINANCE IS CONCERNED WOULD BE TO PAPER UP AND DELIVER THOSE PLANS THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY VETTED WITH THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR. THE RESULT OF THAT IS A PLAN WHICH INCLUDES MULTI FAMILY TOWNHOMES AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE AREA HERE IS THE GRAMERCY WEST DEVELOPMENT .

THERE'S A PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES TOWNHOMES HERE. TOWNHOMES ALONG KINZER, TOWNS HOME ADJACENT TO CITY CENTER AND ADDITIONAL AND PRESERVED DEPARTMENTS TO THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE . THIS IS AN EXAMPLE AT THE TOP OF THE APARTMENTS INTENDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE SITE AND THIS IS THE CENTRAL LOCATION WHICH IS MORE SIMILAR WITH THE PUBLIC PLAZA AND SPACE THAT BUCKINGHAM IS WORKING ON WITH THE CITY REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION PARKS DEPARTMENT.

THE LAST EXHIBIT IS POTENTIAL ILLUSTRATIONS OF TOWNHOMES AND THE QUALIFIER I WANT TO ADD IS THESE ARE ALL EXAMPLES OF WHAT COULD BE . ANY CONSTRUCTION ON REAL ESTATE WILL REQUIRE TWO THINGS. APPROVAL THROUGH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AS WELL AS GOING BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION FOR DEVELOPMENT PLANNING AND REVIEW. THERE IS KIND OF A TWO-PRONGED PROCESS THERE. THE BACKSTOP IS THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ON DESIGN REVIEW AND BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR AUTHORIZATION BEFORE ANY PERMITS WERE ISSUED. IN SUMMARY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED AT ITS LAST MEETING WITH A UNANIMOUS FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION AND I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION . OUR PLAN WOULD BE ORDINARY. TYPICAL FOR THE MATTER TO GO TO THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. IF COUNCIL FEELS LIKE THE PROCESS VETTED EARLIER THIS YEAR COMPLETED THAT PROCESS WE WOULD ACCEPT ACTION TONIGHT BUT THERE'S NOT AN EXPECTATION ON BEHALF THAT WOULD NECESSARILY TAKE PLACE.

WE KNOW THAT HAS OCCURRED AND WE WILL GO WHICHEVER DIRECTION

THOUGHT APPROPRIATE. >> QUESTIONS ? ALL RIGHT.

>> I WANT TO SPEAK TO EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID. IT'S ALL THE CODIFICATION OF LAND USE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. YOU HAVEN'T MISSED ANYTHING. HE MADE THE RESTRICTIONS EVENS STRONGER AND BOLSTERED IT. I WOULD MOVE WE

APPROVE THIS. >> WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE JOHN IS STANDING UP THERE? OKAY. WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC HEARING. 7:18 IF ANYONE WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING THEY CAN GO TO THE PODIUM. ALL RIGHT. NOT SEEING ANYBODY. I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AT

7:19. >> IS THERE A SECOND DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

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ALL RIGHT. DO THE MATH. 9-0. THANK YOU. MOTION TO APPROVE? DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. IT IS APPROVED A- ONE.

[13.c. First Reading of Ordinance D-2748-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing and Approving an Additional Appropriation of Funds from the Human Resources Department #1201 to Line Items 4110000 – Full Time Regular and 4340400 – Consulting Fees; Sponsor: Councilor Green.]

THANK YOU. MOVING ONTO 13 C, FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE THE COMMON COUNCIL AUTHORIZING APPROVAL ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS FROM THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT NUMBER 1201 TO LINE ITEMS 411 000 FULL-TIME REGULAR AND 4340 OR 00 CONSULTING FEES . CAN I GET A MOTION TO INTRODUCE? IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. I WILL READ THE SYNOPSIS. THIS ORDINANCE APPROPRIATE FUNDS NEEDED FOR UNFUNDED OPERATIONAL

EXPENSES. >> THANK YOU. ON THIS ONE I WILL TALK ABOUT BOTH THE ORDINANCE AS WELL AS THE CORRESPONDING RESOLUTION WHICH IS CC-12-16-24-01 . EARLIER THIS YEAR THE DECISION WAS MADE TO MOVE THE PAYROLL FUNCTION FOR THE CITY WHICH HISTORICALLY HAD BEEN WITHIN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT OVER TO THE HR DEPARTMENT. THAT CONSISTED OF AN EMPLOYEE AS WELL AS THE COST OF OUR ADP CONTRACT. ALTHOUGH THE MOVE WAS MADE , NO CORRESPONDING DOLLARS WERE SHIFTED OVER AT THAT TIME. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE EXCESS DOLLARS AVAILABLE WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT BEING MOVED OVER TO HR AND APPLIED TO THOSE EXPENSE LINES MENTIONING IN TERMS OF PAYROLL AS WELL AS CONTRACT COST.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING. START THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:21. IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE THEY CAN HEAD UP TO THE PODIUM.

NOT SEEING ANY MOVEMENT. I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:21.

IS THERE EMOTION? >> MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES

AND ACT. >> SECOND DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. IT'S APPROVED 9-0. IS THERE A MOTION TO

APPROVE? >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE . ALL RIGHT. THAT HAS BEEN

[13.d. First Reading of Ordinance D-2750-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing and Approving an Additional Appropriation of Funds from the Health Insurance Medical Escrow Fund (Fund #301) to Line Item 5023990 – Other Expenses; Sponsor: Councilor Green.]

APPROVED 9-0. MOVING ON TO ITEM 13 D. ORDINANCE D-2750-24 , AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING AN ADDITIONAL PREPARATION OF FUNDS FROM THE HEALTH INSURANCE AND MEDICAL ESCROW FUND, FUND 301, LINE ITEM 502-3990 , OTHER EXPENSES OF THE SPONSOR'S COUNCILOR GREEN. MOTION TO INTRODUCE? IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. SYNOPSIS, THIS ORDINANCE APPROPRIATES FUNDS TO COVER UNFUNDED COSTS PAID FOR BY THE HEALTH INSURANCE MEDICAL

ESCROW FUND. >> THANK YOU. THIS ONE HAS A CORRESPONDING RESOLUTION WHICH IS CC 12-16-24-02 . THIS ONE THERE ARE SOME AVAILABLE FUNDS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MOVING OVER 1 MILLION EVEN TO THE HEALTH INSURANCE MEDICAL ESCROW FUND OVER AT THE HR DEPARTMENT. AS PREMIUMS WERE SET THIS YEAR MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PRIOR BROKER HAD RECOMMENDED A LARGER PREMIUM INCREASE FOR BOTH EMPLOYEES AND THE CITY THEN WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT INTO THE BUDGET AND PREMIUMS FOR THE YEAR. WE WENT INTO THIS YEAR KNOWING WE HAD LIKELY UNDERFUNDED OUR HEALTH INSURANCE . I'VE HEARD ANYWHERE FROM WE UNDERFUNDED BY 2 MILLION TO 4 MILLION . I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO OUR NEW BROKER WHO HAS HELPED US ADJUST SOME THINGS, PUSHED BACK ON SOME COST . RIGHT NOW I AM FORECASTING, THIS IS WHEN I PUT THIS TOGETHER A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AT THAT POINT WE WERE LOOKING LIKE THEY WOULD BE NEGATIVE TO THE TUNE OF 400 TO 500,000 IN THE MEDICAL FUND AT THE END OF THE YEAR JUST ASSUMING A STATUS QUO FOR THE

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REST OF THIS YEAR IF PREMIUMS CONTINUE TO COME IN AS WELL AS EXPENSES CONTINUE TO POST AS THEY HAVE. MY GUT SAYS THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE LIKELY SCENARIO JUST AS PEOPLE MEET THEIR DEDUCTIBLES OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR THAT IS WHEN YOU GO AHEAD AND GET WHATEVER MOLE REMOVED BECAUSE YOU'VE ARTIE MET YOUR DEDUCTIBLE AND I YOU CAN GET THAT DONE FOR FREE.

BAD EXAMPLE. FOOT SURGERY. YEAH. ESSENTIALLY I WAS LOOKING AT A DEFICIT OF 400 TO 500,000 THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ON THE LOW END. I THINK 1 MILLION WILL MORE THAN COVER IT. TO THE EXTENT IT IS TOO MUCH, THAT IS REALLY NOT A BAD THING. WHEN YOU FUND THESE YOU WANT TO LINE IT UP NOT THAT WE WOULD EVER DO THIS, BUT HOW WE WOULD LOOK AT IT, IF WE STOPPED OFFERING HEALTH INSURANCE ON 12/31 WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THAT FUND TO CONTINUE TO PAY THE RENT OUT CLAIMS WE NO LONGER RECEIVE. MOST LIKELY CASES IS THE NEGATIVE AND LEAVES US WITH ABOUT A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO START THE FUND. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH ?

>> ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS IS WHEN YOU SAT AND DEBATED THE FINANCIAL STRUCTURE OF THIS PROCESS A FEW MONTHS AGO. I LOVE THAT WE CAME IN WHEN WE DID AND YOU DID THE WHOLE PROCEDURE OF TAKING THAT AN UNDERSTANDING WHERE IT WAS .

TRULY A HIGHLIGHT FOR ME GETTING TO SEE YOU IN YOUR ELEMENT FIGURING OUT A FUTURE BUDGET LINE THAT WILL COME IN AT DIFFERENT POINTS. EXCITED TO SEE WHERE WE END UP AND HOW THAT HELPS US BUILD A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE

SHOULD BUDGET MOVING FORWARD. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> WE SAT THERE AND WERE PROBABLY TAKING BETS ON WHO WOULD BE RIGHT AND THE SWING WAS ALMOST $4 MILLION. THANK GOODNESS YOU ARE RIGHT AND YOU PLAN FOR IT AND THAT IS A TESTAMENT TO GOOD CONSERVATIVE FORETHOUGHT AND OUTLOOK THAT WE DIDN'T GET STUCK THINKING YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME JANAI

NORMAN SURPLUS. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. I WILL START THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:27 IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS PLEASE GO TO THE PODIUM. NOT SEEING ANY MOVEMENT. I WILL AND PUBLIC HEARING AT 727. IS THERE A MOTION TO SUSPEND? ALL RIGHT.

DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. 9-0 SUSPENSION, MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL RIGHT. DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL

[14.a. First Reading of Ordinance D-2752-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of Carmel, Indiana, Fixing Salaries of Appointed Officers and Employees of the City of Carmel, Indiana, for the Year 2025; Sponsor: Councilor Snyder.]

RIGHT. IT'S BEEN APPROVED 9-0. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM 14, NEW BUSINESS. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D-2752-24 , FIXING SALARIES OF APPOINTED OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA FOR THE YEAR 2025, SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR SNYDER . CAN I GET A MOTION TO INTRODUCE? YEAH. SECOND? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE READ THE SYNOPSIS.

>> THIS ESTABLISHES MAXIMUM SALARIES FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE

EXECUTIVE BRANCH. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> ON OCTOBER 21ST COUNCIL APPROVED THE SALARY ORDINANCE FOR NEXT YEAR . SOON AFTER I WAS ALERTED TO OMISSION IN THAT AS WELL AS AN AREA I THOUGHT WE COULD TIGHTEN UP I LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT AND ALSO ANOTHER CHANGE RELATED TO ANOTHER ORDINANCE I HAVE WHERE WE ARE CHANGING UP HOW WE DO PTO , BUT TO SPEAK TO THOSE INDIVIDUALLY, A PIECE THAT I KIND OF LOOKED AT THE WRONG DRAFT IF YOU WILL OF THE SALARY ORDINANCE. IT GOT AMENDED SO MANY TIMES AND I THINK I GRABBED THE WRONG MONTH TO START WITH, BUT THERE WAS A SENTENCE IN THERE ABOUT ON-CALL PAY . IT'S IN THE CURRENT SALARY ORDINANCE AND WAS NOT IN THE DRAFT VERSION I WAS STARTING WITH. ADDING THAT BACK IN IS THE FIRST CHANGE . THE NEXT CHANGE TALKS ABOUT -- THERE'S A PARAGRAPH THAT TALKS ABOUT TECHNICAL PAY . I'M

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PROPOSING SOME CHANGES THERE . IF NOTHING ELSE IT IS NOT VERY WELL DEFINED TODAY IN TERMS OF WHO IS ACTUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR TECHNICAL PAY. I BELIEVE THE INTENT WAS IF YOU HELD AN I.T.

POSITION WITH SOME CERTIFICATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT IS UP TO 10% MORE THAN THE BASE PAY GIVEN TO EMPLOYEES WITH TECHNICAL SKILL SETS. THERE IS REALLY NOT A CHECK IN PLACE TO SAY WHAT DOES THAT NEED TO LOOK LIKE? YOU TOOK ONE CLASS AND ARE ELIGIBLE OR YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATION? THIS PUTS THE BALL MORE IN THE COURT TO DEVELOP A CHECKLIST, THIS IS THE LITMUS TEST FOR WHETHER THTECHNICAL PAY FOR AN INDIVIDUAL. THAT IS PART OF IT. THE OTHER PART IS CURRENTLY A BUILT IN INCENTIVE . THE TOP SALARY BAND IN OUR SYSTEM RIGHT NOW BEFORE YOU GET TO THE DIRECTOR LEVEL IS GRADE 20. YOU WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS 10% EXTRA . ONCE YOU CROSS THAT THRESHOLD INTO THE DIRECTOR GRADE CURRENTLY IT SAYS DIRECTORS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE . YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE PERSON GETS PROMOTED BUT ENDS UP WITH LESS MONEY BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF THE PROMOTION TO THE NEXT GRADE WAS NOT AS MUCH AS THE 10% EXTRA THEY ARE GETTING. THIS CLEANS THAT UP AS WELL. LASTLY, I WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, BUT AS ARE REDOING HOW CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES ACCRUE PTO THE MAJOR CHANGE THERE IS ALONG THE LINES OF HOLIDAY PAY. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE HOLIDAY PAY TODAY .

EMPLOYEES GET PTO THAT IS MEANT TO BE USED TO CASH IN ON THOSE DAYS , BUT EMPLOYEES THAT WORK ON THOSE DAYS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR PREMIUM PAY WHICH PAYS THEM , I THINK IT'S AN EXTRA $15 AN HOUR. THAT REALLY BECOMES UNNECESSARY AS WE MOVE TO THIS OTHER STRUCTURE . I WILL USE THE MAYOR AS AN EXAMPLE. IF THERE IS A HOLIDAY AND NOW IT'S A PAID HOLIDAY, IF SHE TAKES THE DAY OFF SHE USED THAT PAID HOLIDAY . IF I'M A NONEXEMPT EMPLOYEE SO OVERTIME ELIGIBLE FOR SOME REASON I HAD TO WORK THAT DAY, I'M NOT GETTING PAID TIME OFF. INSTEAD I'M GOING TO GET DOUBLETIME ESSENTIALLY. IT VIRTUALLY ADDS UP THE SAME. IT JUST LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT COMPARED TO HOW WE DO IT TODAY. THE SENTENCE BECOMES OBSOLETE.

IT'S MORE OF A COUNTING MECHANISM.

>> THAT WAS WHERE THE NEXT ORDINANCE, THAT LAST PART. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH ON THIS SPECIFIC ORDINANCE AND MOST OF

WHAT HE JUST SAID? ANYBODY? >> JUST WONDERING FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT STRUCTURE LOOKING AT THESE CHANGES , DO WE HAVE NUMBERS OF WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH THE PROCESS? THINKING THROUGH FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE HR'S BUILDING OF THIS LIST OF EDUCATIONAL THINGS, IS THAT SOMETHING IN THE WORKS AND WILL BE IMPLEMENTED ON A MOVING FORWARD BASIS? JUST TRYING TO GRASP IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO MOVE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR OR IS IT SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS WITH NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US?

>> IN TERMS OF THE DOCS COMPONENT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A BENEFIT , IT IS A PAY THEY RECEIVED TODAY, SO THAT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE AN ISSUE IF THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THAT STILL AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. IN TERMS OF AN IMPACT , THE REMOVAL OF THE PREMIUM PAY IS REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD HAVE MUCH OF A FINANCIAL IMPACT . THE ANALYSIS I'VE DONE SHOWS THAT IS REALLY MORE OF A WASH . IF I WORK A HOLIDAY THAT IS PTO THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO USE COMPARED TO SOMEBODY WHO

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DID WORK THAT DAY THEY SAVED THE PTO DAY , THEY ARE GETTING THEIR BASE PAY AND A $15 AN HOUR PREMIUM. IN EXCHANGE, GOING FORWARD, AS A PERSON WHO HAD THE PAID HOLIDAY AND TOOK IT OFF I JUST GET MY REGULAR PAY FOR THAT DAY. THE OTHER PERSON THAT WORKED THAT DAY, NONEXEMPT, WE NEED TO GIVE THEM MORE THAN JUST THE MARGINAL WHETHER IT BE $15 OR THE HALFTIME TO REALLY COMPENSATE THEM BETTER FOR THAT DATE, BUT ULTIMATELY IT STILL ENDS UP HEARING FAIRLY NET NEUTRAL. I WILL POINT OUT THIS ONLY IMPACT THE WAY SWORN RECEIVED THEIR ACCRUALS , THIS REALLY IS ONLY AN ISSUE FOR CIVILIANS.

>> I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE OTHER REASON WHY YOU PROBABLY WANT TO GET THIS DONE NOW. TECHNICAL PAY.

>> YEAH. YEAH. >> WE WORKED ON THIS ONE TOGETHER A LOT BECAUSE I HAD CONCERNS. WELL, NOT CONCERNS, BUT DISCREPANCIES. NOT ANYBODY'S FAULT. IT'S BEEN YEARS OF AMENDMENTS. I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING THROUGH THIS WITH ME AND NOW WITH THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. THE REMOVAL OF THE DIRECTORS HOLIDAY PAY, IS THAT WHAT

YOU'RE REFERRING TO? >> YEAH. TODAY, THE LANGUAGE AND SALARY ORDINANCE AS IT TALKS TO PREMIUM PAY DOES NOT REALLY SPECIFY EXEMPT VERSUS NONEXEMPT. IT DOES SAY DIRECTORS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR PREMIUM PAY . THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE , THE NEW LANGUAGE, CLARIFIES THAT NONEXEMPT EMPLOYEES WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR DOUBLE PAY ON DAYS THEY HAVE TO WORK A HOLIDAY . FOR EXEMPT EMPLOYEES ESSENTIALLY THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE EARNING COMP TIME OR SOMETHING. THEY HAD TO WORK ON THE DAY THEY WERE GOING TO GET PAID ANYWAY BECAUSE OF HOLIDAY PAY, NOW THAT'S POTENTIALLY 7 1/2 HOURS THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE THE TIME OFF ON ANOTHER

DAY. >> ON THAT TECHNICAL PAY PIECE ONE THING THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT IS THE WAY IT WAS NOW IS THE DIRECTORS KIND OF MAKEUP WHAT THAT IS. IT DOES OUTLINE WHAT QUALIFIES, BUT REALLY IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR. IF YOU'RE NOT ON GOOD TERMS YOU MAKE IT TONIGHT. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE THE BARE MINIMUM AND ATTENTIVENESS, I BELIEVE, IS TO REALLY PROMOTE FURTHERING THE EDUCATION OF CITY STAFF AND EMBRACE THAT AND REWARD THEM FOR DOING SO. THAT'S WHY I THINK GOING TO HR WITH A SET WHO SHOULD BE IS VERY NEUTRAL IN ALL OF THESE , IT'S MORE BLACK OF WHITE INSTEAD OF AS A PERSONALITY. WE TALKED ABOUT IF SOMEBODY IN HR WOULD FALL TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO MAKE THAT DECISION SO IT WASN'T, AGAIN, DIRECT. WE WORKED HARD ON THIS.

YOU ASKED ABOUT TIME LIMIT. THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS. IF IT WAS AN ISSUE I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO BE AMENDED.

>> THANK YOU. SAME QUESTION JUST ON THE TIMING ESPECIALLY IF WE GO TO THE NEXT ORDINANCE WITH THE PTO AND LEAVE POLICY.

SAY THIS ONE WE ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING, WE WOULD BE ELIMINATING THE PREMIUM PAY FOR THE HOLIDAYS, BUT IF WE DIDN'T ACT ON THE, I CAN'T ANTICIPATE WE HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING AND THEN BACK FOR THE FIRST MEETING AND THE THIRD AND WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND MEETING BECAUSE OF A HOLIDAY. I ANTICIPATE YOU PROBABLY WOULD BE LOOKING AT EARLY FEBRUARY FOR IT TO GET BACK TO COUNCIL, MEANWHILE WE'VE HAD A HOLIDAY GO THROUGH WHERE -- YOU SEE WHAT WERE GETTING AT?

>> I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE THERE IS REALLY RELATED TO THE

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JANUARY 1ST NEW YEAR'S HOLIDAY. THE CHANGES TO THE PTO POLICY IDEALLY WOULD TAKE EFFECT JANUARY 4TH. THAT WAY WE GET PAST THE HOLIDAY AND PEOPLE START ACCRUING DIFFERENTLY PAST

THE HOLIDAY. >> IF IT WAS APPROVED YOU NEED US TO APPROVE EITHER TONIGHT OR IN JANUARY 3RD, WHICH MEANS WE DON'T DISCUSS THIS IN COMMITTEE.

>> I WILL SAY THE PAY PERIOD THAT INCLUDES -- THAT STARTS JANUARY 3RD DOES NOT END UNTIL JANUARY 17TH AND GETS PAID OUT -- YEAH. WE ARE LOOKING AROUND THE LAST WEEK OF JANUARY ANYWAY WHENEVER PAY WOULD BE. I SEE YOUR POINT.

>> THE ONLY FRUSTRATION IS I FEEL LIKE WE ARE PUT IN A SITUATION WHERE IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS IT'S DONE EARLIER. WE HAVE NO OPTION. WE DON'T GET TO SEND IT TO COMMITTEE UNLESS WE WANT TO HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING THE WEEK OF CHRISTMAS. IT PUTS US IN A REALLY DIFFICULT POSITION.

I'VE HAD COUNSELORS SAY TO ME ESPECIALLY IN THE SECOND ITEM THAT THEY WANTED TO SEND TO COMMITTEE AND DISCUSS IT . IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, CAN YOU SAY -- CAN WE WORK ON OUR EXISTING POLICY AND GO BACK AND MAKE THINGS UP ?

>> IF THAT WAS THE CASE THEN I WOULD PROBABLY, FOR NOW , REMOVE THE REMOVAL OF PREMIUM PAY CHANGE IN THE SALARY ORDINANCE. WHENEVER IT DOES GET PAST AT THAT TIME GO AHEAD AND TOUCH THE SALARY ORDINANCE TO TAKE OUT THE PREMIUM PAY OR THE SAME ORDINANCE AMEND THAT TO OFFSET THE OTHER ONE. TO YOUR POINT, IT IS REALLY ONLY THAT PREMIUM PAY THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE IF THEY ARE NOT PASSED SIMULTANEOUSLY.

>> I WILL SAY I FEEL LIKE I CAN LIGHTLY GET COMFORTABLE TONIGHT. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO GET ANSWERED. IF THERE ARE ISSUES OR WE LOOK AT IT WE CAN BRING IT BACK AND AMEND IT AT THE BEGINNING AFTER THAT IF THESE ARE TWEAKS WE NEED TO MAKE TO ENSURE PAY IS THERE. I'M WONDERING ON THE HOLIDAY PAY, SO YOU TAKE FOUR HOURS . YOU GET DOUBLE TIME SO EIGHT HOURS OF REGULAR PAY BASED ON DOUBLE TIME WOULD YOU ALSO THEN BOOK 4 HOURS OF HOLIDAY TIME TO MAKE

IT THE FULL 14? >> DOUBLE PAY FOR THE HOURS WORKED THAT DAY , WHETHER IT'S ONE OR THE FOUR.

>> BACK TO THE QUESTION OF IS OBVIOUSLY WHO I AM. EVERYBODY IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT REQUIRES TO DO THAT . DO THEY GET A 10% BOOST BASED ON SALARY ORDINANCE .

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE NEED A POLICY TO SPELL THESE THINGS OUT. RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT TIGHT ENOUGH AND BASICALLY SAYS EMPLOYEES SHALL GET THIS 10%, BUT WITHOUT MUCH TEETH SO WHAT

THE STANDARDS ARE. >> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING THIS TONIGHT AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW THAT PROGRESSES WITH HR HAVING THAT NEW ROLE IN ENSURING WE UNDERSTAND THE OUTCOME OF WHAT THOSE CHANGES

LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD. >> MY QUESTION WAS REALLY RELATED TO EMPLOYEES WHO ARE THEN REQUIRED TO WORK -- REQUIRED TO WORK A HOLIDAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY SERVICES. WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT NEED TO DO THAT. HOW DOES THAT GET HANDLED? TO THE POINT OF HIS MAKING THE DECISION AND WILL IT ROLL AROUND TO THE SAME PERSON, AND WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE EQUITY THERE , THOSE WERE QUESTIONS I

HAD REGARDING THAT. >> IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. I

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THINK YOU'RE ASKING IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY PERSONNEL.

>> SERVICES LIKE ENGINEERING OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T QUALIFY . SOMEBODY HAS TO BE ON CALL.

>> I WILL START WITH PUBLIC SAFETY POSITIONS. THEY HAVE SCHEDULED SHIFTS . PEOPLE WOULD ALREADY KNOW IF THEY ARE SCHEDULED FOR CHRISTMAS NEXT YEAR . THEY ARE REQUIRED , IF WANTING TO TAKE THOSE DAYS OFF, FIRE ALLOWS EIGHT SHIFT EMPLOYEES TO TAKE OFF ANY GIVEN DAY. I THINK THAT'S DONE BASED ON SENIORITY. IN TERMS OF WHO WAS GRANTED THOSE DAYS OFF THEY REQUIRE FULL STAFFING, YET SO MANY TAKE OFF THEY HAVE A FEW FLOAT PEOPLE BUT ULTIMATELY THAT GOES TO OVERTIME FOR SOME REASON THEY HAD MORE THAN EIGHT PEOPLE OFF ON A HOLIDAY.

THEY'VE KIND OF HAD THEIR OWN SCHEME FOR DECIDING HOW THOSE GET STAFFED. REALLY THE SAME THING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF SCHEDULES SET AND DAYS OFF IN THOSE INSTANCES DECIDED BASED ON SENIORITY. I THINK IN TERMS OF CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES I WANT TO SPECULATE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY WORKING ON HOLIDAYS. WE MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE CALL WHERE IT BECOMES AN ISSUE IS IF IT'S SNOWING AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE HAVE TO GET SNOWPLOW DRIVERS , THOSE TYPES . OUR POLICY IS PRETTY TIGHT BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE SO THAT IF THERE IS A SNOW EMERGENCY THEY CAN GET TO WORK AND PLOW . THAT IS KIND OF THE TRADE-OFF. IF YOU ARE GRANTED A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE THEN YOU WILL COME IN WHEN WE NEED YOU.

>> THERE IS ONE ITEM . EVERYONE ELSE GETS COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

I CAN DO IT WITH A WAY TO LOOK INTO IT AND CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT. I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. YOU COULD ASK 10 DIFFERENT PEOPLE THE DEFINITION OF EXEMPT AND YOU'LL GET 10 DIFFERENT ANSWERS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THEIR, LET'S TAKE OUR BEST INTERPRETATION AND PUT IT IN THERE SO IT IS WELL-DEFINED. I CAN THINK THROUGH MY CAREER I WOULD HIRE SOMEBODY UNDER A CERTAIN PRETENSE . TWO YEARS LATER I HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE AND I REALIZE NOW I'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE DOING THE SAME JOB WITH THE SAME CREDENTIALS UNDER TWO DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS. I DON'T THINK THAT IS FAIR TO OUR STAFF. I THINK THEY SHOULD KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE ENTITLED TO OVERTIME OR NOT AND KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S DEFINITION IS AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A SUPER CLEAR ONE. IF WE DO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE VETTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S ACCURATE.

>> I AGREE. THAT IS SOMETHING I'M WORKING ON WITH THE HR DEPARTMENT. . THERE IS AN EXCEL SHEET . NOTICING HOW THERE'S INCONSISTENCIES IN NAMING CONVENTION ONE MIGHT BE TITLED MANAGER THERE MIGHT BE ONE TITLED MANAGER AND IT'S A GREAT 14. ANOTHER THING IS TO REALLY RE-EVALUATE EVERY POSITION AND SEE WHAT SHOULD THE TITLE BE THAT STARTS WITH US COMING UP WITH A COMMON HIERARCHY ACROSS ALL OF CITY GOVERNMENT. IF YOU'RE AN ANALYST , THAT SHOULD BASICALLY BE ABOUT THE SAME LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY ACROSS CITY GOVERNMENT. SAME LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE, EDUCATION, ASSUMING YOU ARE NOT MANAGING PEOPLE. SIMILARLY IF YOU HAVE THE TITLE SUPERVISOR VERSUS MANAGER VERSUS DEPUTY DIRECTOR WHAT DOES THE HIERARCHY LOOK LIKE? WHY IS ONE MORE COMPLEX THAN ANOTHER? I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN MUCH RHYME OR

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REASON IN TERMS OF WHY ONE HAS THE TITLE SUPERVISOR VERSUS MANAGER VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE. WHERE WE WILL END UP AS A RESULT OF THIS IS BEING ABLE TO DRAW A CLEAR LINE ACROSS ALL OF OUR POSITIONS AND SAY EVERYTHING BELOW THIS LINE IS EXEMPT . EVERYTHING IS NOT EXEMPT ABOVE THIS LINE. WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. IT'LL BE A FEW MONTHS BEFORE WE CAN CLEAN UP OUR ENTIRE CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM TO GET THERE. THE ONLY OTHER COMPLEXITY I WILL ADD TO THIS IS THIS IS AN AREA WHENEVER THERE ARE MAJOR CHANGES IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF EACH OTHER WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT THE NEW STANDARDS ARE GOING TO BE FOR WHAT IS THE TEST FOR BEING EXEMPT VERSUS NONEXEMPT? I THINK THAT WAS PROPOSED ONCE AT THE END OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. IT IS PURELY A WAGE TEST. IF YOU MAKE MORE THAN 37,005 96 , IF YOU MAKE LESS THAN THAT YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR OVERTIME. IF YOU MAKE MORE THAN THAT YOU ARE NOT. THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WENT A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WILL GO BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WILL BE WAGE HER DUTIES AS WELL IN TERMS OF I SUPERVISE PEOPLE

. >> ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT , IF WE WERE TO FINANCE BEFORE THE JANUARY 6TH MEETING WITH THAT

BE HELPFUL? >> I THINK YOU MENTIONED HENRY

FORTH AS A DATE. >> IT IS A SATURDAY THAT IS THE START OF THE FIRST PAY PERIOD .

>> JANUARY 1ST IS STILL OKAY? IF WE CAN ACT ON THIS JANUARY

6TH? >> CAN WE RETRO THAT?

>> WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SALARY ORDINANCE TO REFLECT THAT PASS.

A POSITION THAT IS GOING TO BE EMPLOYED STARTING JANUARY 1 IS REFLECTED IN OUR ORDINANCE. WE NEED TO FIX BEFORE JANUARY 1.

ALL THE OTHER MATTERS -- YEAH. RELATED TO PTO, COULD WE REVIEW THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ON JANUARY 6TH, LOOK AT IT FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE JANUARY 6TH AND IF NEEDED , MAKE IT RETROACTIVE TO THE START OF THAT PAY. WHICH WOULD BE

JANUARY 3RD? >> I THINK THE ONLY HICCUP THERE WOULD STRIKE THAT. PUT IT BACK IN.

>> YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? >> YOU WHEN I HAD A CONVERSATION THIS MORNING. DID YOU HAPPEN TO FIND OUT SOME

ANSWERS ABOUT MILITARY LEAVE? >> I DID.

>> DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW?

>> I WANT TO WAIT. >> THAT'S TRUE. YOU ARE RIGHT.

>> IF IT'S OKAY I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO LINES 33 11 TO 314 THAT ARE STRUCK IN TWO PUT THEM

BACK IN . >> DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. APPROVED 9-0. THE AMENDMENT. NOW IN CASE THE PUBLIC IS FOLLOWING WE JUST TOOK THIS OUT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE MOVING ON THE SECOND ORDINANCE COMING UP , THIS WAY WE GET WHAT YOU NEED FOR THE MOST PART.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> MOVE TO ACT ON THIS THIS

EVENING. >> ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE.

HE'S ALREADY TAKING THE GAVEL. COUNCILOR SNYDER. ALL RIGHT.

9-0 SUSPENSION. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE .

[14.b. First Reading of Ordinance D-2753-24; An Ordinance of the Common Council of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 2, Article 3, Sections 2-51, 2-52, 2-54 and 2-55 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Green and Taylor.]

>> IT'S BEEN APPROVED 9-0. MOVING ON TO ITEM 14 B , FIRST

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READING OF ORDINANCE D-2753-24 , ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF CARMEL, INDIANA AMENDING CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE THREE, SECTIONS 251, 252, 254 AND 255 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE SPONSORS COUNCILOR GREEN AND COUNCILOR TAYLOR. MOTION TO INTRODUCE? IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT.

>> SUBMITTING THE PTO AND LEAVE POLICY.

>> WE WILL HOLD ONTO THIS AND TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FINANCE

COMMITTEE. >> YOU WANT AN OVERVIEW ON

THIS? >> WE TALKED ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT.

>> FOR THIS ORDINANCE , SHOULD WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING?

>> THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING.

>> FOR THE FIRST ORDINANCE READING?

>> WE ARE GOOD. NO PUBLIC HEARING. EVERYBODY GOOD MOVING

[14.c. Resolution CC-12-16-24-01; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds Between the 2024 Finance Department Budget (Department #1701) and the 2024 Human Resources Department #1201; Sponsor: Councilor Green.]

ON? OKAY. LIVING ONTO 14 C, RESOLUTION CC-12-16-24-01 , RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA APPROVING A TRANSFER OF FUNDS BETWEEN THE 2024 FINANCE DEPARTMENT BUDGET , DEPARTMENT NUMBER 1701, AND THE 2024 HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT NUMBER 1201, SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR

GREEN. >> MOVED.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> TRANSFERS UNDER 100,000 ON THE 2024 FINANCE DEPARTMENT BUDGET INTO THE 2024 HUMAN

RESOURCES BUDGET. >> WE ARTIE SPOKE OF THE OTHER HALF . THIS IS TO COVER THE PAYROLL FUNCTION.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH? NO NEED TO SUSPEND. DISCUSSION,

[14.d. Resolution CC-12-16-24-02; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds Between the 2024 Carmel Police Department Budget (Department #1110) and the 2024 Health Insurance Medical Escrow Fund (Fund #301); Sponsor: Councilor Green.]

PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT , RESOLUTION CC-12-16-24-02; , RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF KARMA, INDIANA APPROVING A TRANSFER OF FUNDS BETWEEN THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET, DEPARTMENT 1110 AND THE 2024 HEALTH INSURANCE MEDICAL ESCROW FUND, FUND NUMBER 301 SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR GREEN. SYNOPSIS, TRANSFERS $1 MILLION FROM TH 2024 CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET INTO THE 2024 HEALTH INSURANCE MEDICAL ESCROW FUND. ALL RIGHT. DISCUSSION? PLEASE

[14.e. Resolution CC-12-16-24-03; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds Within the 2024 General Administration Budget (#1205); Sponsor: Councilor Green.]

VOTE. APPROVED 9-0. RESOLUTION APPROVING CHANCELLOR FUNDS WITHIN THE 2024 GENERAL ADMINISTRATION BUDGET, NUMBER 1205 SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR GREEN. MOTION TO INTRODUCE? TRANSFERS $299,000 WITHIN THE 2024 GENERAL ADMINISTRATION

BUDGET NUMBER 1205. >> THANK YOU. I SENT OUT SOME INFORMATION ON THIS REQUEST LAST THURSDAY TO COUNCILMEMBERS. GENERAL ADMINISTRATION REALLY HAS BECOME A FACILITIES MANAGEMENT BUDGET FOR THE CITY. TAKING CARE OF THIS BUILDING AND SOME OTHER FACILITIES COSTS . THE DEPARTMENT IS ON TRACK TO UNDERSTAND ITS APPROPRIATIONS THIS YEAR BY APPROXIMATELY $400,000. THOSE ARE COMING FROM TWO AREAS. THE DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATION POSITION WAS PART OF THE BUDGET PAST OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, BUT WAS NOT FILLED THIS YEAR. ALSO, THERE WAS A MONEY PUT IN FOR A CENSUS STUDY THAT WAS NOT NEEDED THIS YEAR. THOSE ARE THE SOURCES OF THE EXTRA DOLLARS. WE ARE REQUESTING TO TRANSFER 299,000 FROM THOSE AREAS TO COVER THE SHORTFALLS AND THE OTHER STRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT AND FURNITURE AND FIXTURES LINE ITEMS AND THE BUDGET . THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET I SENT TO COUNCIL AS AN ATTACHMENT ON THURSDAY WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE EXPENSES FOR CITY HALL RELATED TO REMODELING, REHAB , REMEDIATION, THOSE THINGS. AS YOU CAN SEE , MOST OF THOSE EXPENSES WERE COVERED BY GENERAL ADMIN . AGAIN, MOVING THE DOLLARS TO COVER THERE. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECTS FOR THE TRANSFER.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH? YEAH.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

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>> ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. APPROVED 9-0. LIVING ONTO

[14.f. Resolution CC-12-16-24-04; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds Between the General Fund (#101) and the Fire Pension Fund (#802); Sponsor: Councilor Green.]

RESOLUTION CC-12-16-24-04 , RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS BETWEEN THE GENERAL FUND AND THE FIRE PENSION FUND SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR GREEN. MOTION TO INTRODUCE. ALL RIGHT.

TRANSFERS 25,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND NUMBER 101 INTO THE FIRE PENSION FUND NUMBER 802.

>> THANK YOU. THERE IS A FIRE PENSION FUND AS WELL AS A POLICE PENSION FUND IN BOTH DEPARTMENTS. IT IS ESSENTIALLY THE FUND WE PAY WHICH IS REFERRED TO AS THE 37 PLANT EMPLOYEES. THERE IS A 77 PLAN FOR THE NEWER FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS, PEOPLE THAT STARTED PRIOR TO 77 PLAN. IT INCLUDES BENEFIT PAYMENTS AS WELL AS COST AND SOME OCCASIONAL MEDICAL STUDIES AS WELL AS THE PENSION SECRETARY RECEIVES A FAIRLY NOMINAL STIPEND . THE CITY COVERS ALL THOSE COST AS THE BENEFIT PAYMENTS. THOSE ARE TO BE REIMBURSED EACH YEAR. WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE POLICE PENSION FUND HOWEVER THE REIMBURSEMENT HAS NOT MATCHED OUR BENEFIT PAYMENTS GOING OUT OF THE FUND.

HR IS CURRENTLY WORKING TO UNRAVEL THIS AND FIGURE OUT I SUSPECT AN OUTDATED LIST OF EMPLOYEES THAT WAS PROVIDED AND THAT ONCE WE FIX THAT WE WILL GET THE PROPER REIMBURSEMENT.

IT IS JUST WITH THE CLOCK TICKING, HOLIDAYS, IT IS VERY UNLIKELY THIS WILL GET CLEANED UP BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

CURRENTLY, THIS HAS A NEGATIVE BALANCE IN THE FUND. THE APPROPRIATION IS SUFFICIENT, IT JUST DIDN'T GET THE REVENUES TO BACK THE APPROPRIATION. IN THIS TRANSFER, WE ARE MOVING DOLLARS FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND PUTTING THEM INTO THE FIRE PENSION FUND TO MAKE THE CASH BALANCE HOLD AT THE END OF THE

YEAR. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH? IS

THERE A MOTION? >> PLEASE VOTE. IT IS APPROVED 9-0.

[16.a. DORA Signage and Logo Approval]

THE COUNCIL A DOCUMENT THAT SHOWED THE CURRENT GRAPHICS THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE AND SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL WE HAVE REMOVED ANY REFERENCE TO ALCOHOL AS WELL AS THE PICTURE IN THE GRAPHIC WE MADE CARAMEL -- CARMEL SMALLER IT WAS THE ULTIMATE DECISION OF THE DOOR COMMITTEE SEEKING APPROVAL TONIGHT, WE ARE ANXIOUS TO GET GOING AND GET THE CUPS ORDERED AND GETS OUR VENDORS AND OUR MERCHANTS ONLINE.

>> I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE RECOMMENDATIONS PUT FORWARD BY

THE DORA COMMITTEE. >> SECOND.