Jan 27, 2025 Board of Zoning Appeals Hearing Officer Meeting

[A. Call to Order]

[D. (SE) Chung Short Term Residential Rental. ]

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RESIDENTIAL RENTAL . SOMEONE HERE FOR A PETITION, PLEASE? TURN THE MICROPHONE ON SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.

>> I THINK I TURNED IT ON. >> THAT'S OKAY.

>> YES. TAKE YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. TODAY, I AM HERE TO REQUEST A PERMIT FOR ALLOWING TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT IS SEEKING TO VISIT OR STAY FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IN THE LOVELY CITY OF CARMEL HERE. I WOULD LOVE TO OPEN UP MY PLEASE THE FIRST TIME TO CATER TO THEIR NEEDS. WHETHER THEY ARE FAMILY LOOKING FOR A LOOP IS DUE TO DISPLACED CIRCUMSTANCES -- VISITORS COMING TO THE CITY TO ENJOY THE PLACE.

>> IS THAT IT? ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT OR SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS PETITION? SEEING ON, ANYONE OPPOSED TO THIS PETITION? SEEING ON, THANK YOU. DEPARTMENT'S REPORT, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU. PLANNING STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PETITION AND HAS VERIFIED PROOF THAT THE PETITIONER IS A PERMANENT RESIDENT OF THE DWELLING , AND ALSO WE DID CHECK WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT. THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY ISSUES WITH THE PROPERTY. ALSO, PLANNING STAFF COULD NOT FIND ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, COVENANTS, OR RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD BE AGAINST USE WITH THAT, PLANNING STAFF CONSIDERATION OF THIS PETITION , AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT , IF APPROVED, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS ONLY VALID FOR ONE YEAR. THE PETITIONER WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR RENEWAL. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ONLY FOR ONE YEAR? AND, ALL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT THAT HAS NOT HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THIS PROPERTY. PLANNING STAFF COULD NOT FIND ANY NEIGHBORHOOD COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS. THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES RECOMMENDS CONSIDERATION AND DEPARTMENT ALSO RECOMMENDS THE ADOPTION OF FINDINGS OF FACT. THE PETITION IS APPROVED. THANK YOU. NEXT IS THE ANCILLARY ACCESSORY BUILDING, DOCKET

[D. (V) Caccavallo Accessory Building Variance. ]

>> HELLO? >> HI.

>> RYAN CORNELL, CONTRACTOR , OWNER OF ARTISAN OUT STORE CRAFTSMAN THIS EVENING, SEEKING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL GARAGE ATTACHMENT VIA THE PORT AT HIS PROPERTY ON 2535 URBAN DRIVE, CROSS HILL'S SUBDIVISION THAT HAS GONE THROUGH A CHILLY APPROVAL AS WELL , AND SO, JUST LOOKING FOR THE ADDITIONAL

GARAGE. >> THAT'S IT?

>> THAT IS IT. >> ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS PETITION? SEEING NONE, ANYONE OPPOSED? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU . >> DEPARTMENT'S REPORT, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU. THE NEW STRUCTURE WILL MATCH THE COLORS AND MATERIALS OF THE EXISTING HOUSE , AND THE PETITIONER ALSO LET US KNOW THEY ARE WORKING WITH A LANDSCAPING COMPANY. SO, THEY WILL PROVIDE AN EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING PLAN. WITH THAT, PLANNING STAFF DOES RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION OF THE VARIANCE, AS WELL AS ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS OF FACT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. IT ALL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED ANY DEPARTMENT SUPPORTS THE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THE PETITIONER TO LET US KNOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON THE EXTERIOR DESIGN AND HAVE AN EXTENSIVE PLANTING OF TREES AND SHRUBS AS PART OF THE MITIGATION FOR ANY INCREASED PETITIONS AND FINDINGS OF FACTS THAT ARE INCLUDED AS WELL. THE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS POSITIVE CONSIDERATION , AND SO BE IT, IT

[D. (V) Shultz Front Porch Setback Variance. ]

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>> TURN THE MICROPHONE ON, PLEASE. THERE IS A BUTTON THERE.

THANK YOU. >> HELLO? MIKE SCHULTZ, I AM HERE TO REQUEST A VARIANCE IN ORDER TO PUT A PORTICO ON THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE . CURRENTLY, THERE IS A FRONT PORCH ON IT , AND I NEEDED TO HAVE A COVERING. A, IT WOULD HELP AND MITIGATE THE WEATHER AS PEOPLE DELIVER THINGS, OR MY WIFE AND I ARE SITTING THERE, ENJOYING THE DAY , AND NUMBER TWO, IT WOULD ADD AESTHETIC VALUE TO THE HOUSE, AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BRIAN CUYLLE, JUST SPOKE, HE WOULD BE OUR CONTRACTOR AS WELL. WE ARE SEEKING A CHANGE IN THE SETBACK .

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS PETITION? SEEING NONE, ANYONE OPPOSED? SEEING NONE,

DEPARTMENT'S REPORT, PLEASE . >> THANK YOU. THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A MINIMUM 35-FOOT FRONT SETBACK, AND THE PETITIONER REQUESTS 24 FEET, A VARIANCE OF 11 FEET.ALSO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF HAS A PLATTED 30 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK AS A PART OF CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WE ASK THAT THE PETITIONER ALSO GO THROUGH WITH THE RE-PLAT PROCESS TO REMOVE THAT PLATTED SETBACK LINE. ALSO, FOR AN UPDATE ON THE DESIGN OF THE FRONT PORCH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE WOOD, AS WELL AS, FOR THE ROOF, THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE BLACK STANDING METAL, AND THAT WILL COMPLEMENT THE COLOR THEY WILL PAINT THE HOUSE. WITH THAT, WE DO RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION, ALONG WITH THE CONDITION OF RE-PLAT APPROVAL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ALL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. YOU ARE AWARE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SUPPORTS THE VARIANCE REQUEST, AS LONG AS THE RE-PLAT APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED. CORRECT? AND REVIEWED AND APPROVED -- AND THE LOT HAS A PLATTED 30-FOOT BUILDING LINE IN THE FRONT YARD THAT NEEDS TO BE REDUCED OR REMOVED AS WELL. YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT CORRECT? OKAY. SEEING NO OBJECTION, I APPROVE THE PETITION. THANK YOU.

[D. (V) Thiel Fence Height Variance.]

ALREADY ON. >> CAN YOU SEE ME?

>> THAT IS OKAY. SURE >> MY NAME IS WHEN YOU FEEL, SEEKING A VARIANCE FOR A FENCE, WHAT IS ALLOWED BY THE CITY IN THE AREA I'M REQUESTING, 42 INCHES , AND I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A 48-INCH FENCE. I HAVE GREAT DANES THAT CAN CLEAR UP A

32 OR A 48. >> OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> I DID GET A APPROVAL. >> OKAY. ANYONE SUPPORTING THIS PETITION? PLEASE , SPEAK UP NOW . SEEING NONE, ANYONE OPPOSED? SEEING NONE -- THANK YOU. DEPARTMENT'S REPORT, PLEASE .

>> THANK YOU. THE PETITIONER LIVES ON A CORNER LOT .

ESSENTIALLY, SHE HAS TWO FRONT YARDS, AND THAT IS WHY SHE NEEDS THE VARIANCE. THERE IS A SMALL PORTION OF THE PROPOSED ENCROACHMENT INTO THE FRONT YARD AREA . A PLANNING STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE VARIANCE. WE RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION, AS WELL AS ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS OF

FACT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I SEE NO OBJECTION

[D. (V) Parkwood Crossing East Parking Variance. ]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. TURN THE MICROPHONE ON, PLEASE.

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>> YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? HERE WE GO. MY NAME IS BRIAN SCHUMER, CIVIL ENGINEER WITH INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA. WITH ME TONIGHT, ON THE OWNERSHIP SIDE.

WHAT WE ARE HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO REQUEST IS A BIT OF A UNIQUE REQUEST. WE HAVE AN UPCOMING PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO FLAKE THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDE OF COLLEGE AVENUE, AS THE CITY , YOU LIKELY KNOW, THERE IS AND PREVENTS PLANT AT 96TH AND COLLEGE TO INSTALL A ROUNDABOUT THIS YEAR AS WELL AS A 2ND.ABOUT TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE BEEN RETAINED AS THE ENGINEERING COMPANY TO WORK WITH PATRICK AND HIS TEAM TO DESIGN RECEIVING IMPROVEMENTS ON BOTH EAST AND WEST SIDES OF COLLEGE.

IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED MAINLY TO RECEIVE AN EAST/WEST THROW TO THE ROUNDABOUT TO BECOME THE NEW ENTRY POINT BOTH ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES. THERE IS TWO DIFFERENT ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS. WESTSIDE COLLEGE, CORRIDOR ZONING. EAST SIDE OF COLLEGE, IT IS COLLEGE HILL'S PUD. EACH ONE OF THOSE HAVE DIFFERING REQUIRED PARKING RATIO REQUIREMENTS. MERIDIAN QUARTER HAS ABOUT 2.86, ROUGHLY TO THIS.9 SPACES PER 1000 SPACES OF BUILDING. ON THE EAST SIDE OF COLLEGE, THERE IS THE COLLEGE HILL'S COMMUNITY, IT IS A LARGER AMOUNT, 3.5 PER 1000.

CURRENTLY, BOTH EAST AND WEST SIDES OF COLLEGE HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THAT, BUT AS THE APPLICANT TAKES GREAT PRIDE IN MAKING IT -- I THINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY -- ONE OF THE PREMIER BUSINESS PARKS IN THE CITY, THEY TAKE A LOT OF CARE TO CREATE A LOT OF AMENITY SPACE AND GREEN SPACE AROUND THE BUILDINS. THE CURRENT SITUATION THAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THAT MUCH OF THAT IS UNDERUTILIZED. IF YOU DRIVE ANY PARTICULAR DAY, EVEN AT THE PEAK HOUR, THERE IS A LOT OF OPEN ASPHALT THROUGHOUT THE COMPLEX.

SO, ON THE EAST SIDE OF COLLEGE, THE PLAN SOUTH OF GOLDEN GATE, WEST OF BUILDING 9, REMOVE APPROXIMATELY 186 PARKING SPACES IN PLACE OF A GREEN SPACE. ACTUALLY, WHAT WE ARE DOING , THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE TRY TO DO, AND IN THIS CASE, AASEN REUSE UNDERUTILIZED PARKING. WE DID A PARKING STUDY TO PROVE THAT IS OKAY WITH 100% OCCUPANCY, AND ALSO LOOK AT , IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE IS A SWING OF THE PENDULUM WHERE WORKERS COME BACK TO THE OFFICE -- AS WE ALL KNOW, SOME DEGREE OF WORK FROM HOME EXISTS TODAY -- AS THE OWNER OF THE PARK, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY DIDN'T LEAVE HIMSELF SHORT OF PARKING. THE RATIO THAT WE WILL HAVE AFTER THE PROJECT IS APPROXIMATELY 3.37 SPACES PER 1000-SQUARE FEET. TODAY, IT IS 3.8. WE COULD HAVE CAME IN AND ASKED EXACTLY FOR THAT THE ALLOWED TO GO DOWN FROM 3.5 TO 3.7. AFTER WE LOOK AT IT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO NECESSARILY COME BACK FOR THE SPORT IN THE FUTURE IF ANY OTHER PROJECTS ARE DONE. WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS TO CREATE A NEW KIND WITH THE WEST SIDE OF COLLEGE, AND AS WE FOUND FROM OBSERVATION AS WELL AS A TRAFFIC/PARKING STUDY, THE 2.9 SPACES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IS PLENTY OF PARKING FOR FULL OCCUPANCY, AT FULL WORK FROM OFFICE, EVEN CONSIDERING A 90% FULL PARKING LOT 100% FULL . SO, I REQUEST TODAY WOULD LEAVE ABOUT 200 ADDITIONAL SPACES THAT TECHNICALLY COULD BE REMOVED IN THE FUTURE AND STILL LEAVE US IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE 2.9 REQUEST . IT IS A BIT TECHNICAL, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? YOU HAVE SOMEBODY STANDING NEXT TO YOU -- IS THERE ANYONE WHO LIKES TO SUPPORT THIS PETITION? SPEAK ON BEHALF OF IT. SEEING NONE, ANYONE OPPOSED? SEEING NONE , WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID. NOT OFTEN DO WE SEE THE DEVELOPER OR PROPERTY OWNER TAKE PARKING SPACES AWAY AND SUPPLY GREEN SPACE. THAT IS VERY NICE OF YOU TO HAVE DONE THAT.

>> DEPARTMENT'S REPORT, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU. I REALLY DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TO ADD TO THE THOROUGH PRESENTATION. JUST THE FACT THAT THE PETITIONER IS GOING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE, WHICH INCLUDES TREES. SO, PLANNING STAFF IS PRETTY HAPPY WITH THAT. WE DO RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION OF THE VARIANCE, AS WELL AS ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS OF FACT

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. PLANNING , ZONING COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. TRAFFIC/PARKING STUDY HAS ALSO BEEN PROVIDED BY THE PETITIONER. AND FAR. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FULLY SUPPORTS THE VARIANCE REQUEST , AND SO DO I. THANK

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YOU. >> THANK YOU.

[D. (V) Connection Pointe Church Sign Variance. ]

>> CONNECTION POINT CHURCH SIGN VARIANCE, DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2024-00240V.

>> DID EVENING. I AM SARA ZIMMERMAN. I'M REPRESENTING CONNECTION WON THIS EVENING. WE BROUGHT WITH US SOME VISUALS FOR YOU. WE'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE OUR SIGN VARIANCE.

>> WANTS TO COME AROUND? >> SURE. WE ARE LOOKING TO INCREASE OUR SIGN VARIANCE OR SIGN SIZE, AND , ORIGINALLY, WHEN WE CEMENTED THE TECH, THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY ON IT IF YOU CAN SEE -- I KNOW IT IS KIND OF SMALL -- BUT, INITIALLY, IT SAID, FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE PORTA CODE TO THE TOP WAS 14 FEET ON THE SLICE, BUT IF WE LOOK DOWN HERE, IT SHOWS TO THE TOP , TO THE TOP OF THE SPANDREL IS 14 FEET. SO, THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY OF A FOOT. SO, WHEN WE WENT TO INSTALL THE SIGN, OUR SIGN VENDOR DIDN'T FIELD MEASURE. SUBSEQUENTLY, AFTER THE SIGN WAS INSTALLED , WE ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR PERCENTAGE WE ARE ALLOWED. HOWEVER, WE ARE WITHIN THE HORIZONTAL PERCENTAGE ALLOWED . SO, WE ARE ASKING FOR A SIGN VARIANCE IN THAT, BUT WE ARE ALSO ASKING THAT -- BECAUSE WE FOUND OUT LAST WEEK THAT THERE WERE CONDITIONS BASED ON LANDSCAPING -- THAT WE WERE UNAWARE OF -- THAT WE COULD GET APPROVAL WITHOUT THE LANDSCAPING. I DID BRING, TODAY, WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT IS COMPREHENSIVE FOR THE SPACE, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE IN ITS DESIGN WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED BY CARMEL

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO. THAT IS EVERYTHING.

>> DOES ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS PETITION? SEEING ON, ANYONE OPPOSED? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU. DEPARTMENTS' REPORT,

PLEASE? >> THANK YOU. AS A PETITIONER STATED, THEY ARE SEEKING A VARIANCE FOR THE SIGN HEIGHT.

THE REQUESTING A VARIANCE OF AROUND 8.6 INCHES , AS YOU CAN SEE, UNDER POSTERBOARD, THE SIGN WOULD FIT PRETTY MUCH IN THAT PANEL AREA , ALLOW FOR SIGNAGE. PLANNING STAFF, THIS ALSO RECOMMEND VARIANCE -- I'M SORRY -- RECOMMEND LANDSCAPE COMPLIANCE IF APPROVED, BUT WE WOULD ALSO LIKE THE ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. WE DO RECOMMEND POSITIVE

CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. >> AS I HEARD CORRECTLY, SHE IS ASKING THAT WE APPROVETHIS WITHOUT THE LANDSCAPING?

CORRECT? >> YES. SO, I WOULD ASK YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, BUT THE CITY REQUESTED AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN OAK TREES. HOWEVER, THERE MIGHT NOT -- WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO REQUEST THAT SINCE THIS IS A VARIANCE FOR SIGNAGE, NOT FOR

LANDSCAPING. >> ARE YOU OPPOSED TO DOING

THAT? WHY IS THAT? >> CAN YOU COME? THE MIC. YES.

THANK YOU. >> APOLOGIES. BECAUSE, IT WILL BLOCK THE EXTERIOR OF OUR BUILDING, AND IT WILL MAKE IT VISIBLE , IN ADDITION TO, IN THAT, IT WILL INCUR COSTS WE

WERE NOT EXPECTING. YEAH. >> YOU OKAY WITH THAT?

>> AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE SERGAI TO WEIGH IN.

>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A REPLICANT -- INAUDIBLE ] IT IS FOR THE BZA ATTORNEY TO REQUIRE OR REQUEST A CONDITION IN THIS PARTICULAR MATTER AS REASONABLE OR RELATED TO A PETITION THAT IS BEING ASKED FOR. LANDSCAPING AND SIGNAGE CAN BE REASONABLY RELATED, BUT UP FOR YOU TO DECIDE IF, IN PARTICULAR CASE, WE WOULD BE. SO, THAT IS A LEGAL FRAMEWORK , GRANTING THESE CONDITIONS FOR PETITIONS.

>> CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE COSTS? YOU SAY, COSTLY. WHAT

COSTS ARE INVOLVED? >> WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN WE ARE ALREADY MOVING FORWARD WITH , ONCE, LIKE, THE WEATHER CONDITIONS IMPROVE. SO, I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PRICE OUT, YET, THE SEVEN OAK TREES, IN PARTICULAR, BUT I KNEW THAT WE HAD THE PLAN, AND WE HAVE IT AVAILABLE IF YOU WOULD

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LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK . >> WELL, I TEND TO FAVOR THE POSITION OF THE DEPARTMENT. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE AND THE CONTENTION IS ON YOU FOR FOR

LONELY THAT REQUIREMENT. >> ANOTHER QUESTION. COUNCIL FOR CONNECTION POINT. AS I HAVE UNDERSTOOD FROM THE RULES OF PROCEDURE AND THE STATUTE, IF THE PETITIONER DOESN'T AGREE WITH CONDITIONS, IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE FULL BZA FOR APPROVAL .

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WILL IT GO TONIGHT?

>> YOU HAVE 17 DAYS TO REQUEST IT , TRANSFER.

>> I THINK IT IS THE 24TH. >> YEAH..

>> GO TO REVIEW BEFORE THEY CONSIDER IT.

>> YEAH. MET AGAIN, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER REVIEW.

>> OKAY. BUT IT IS NOT AN APPEAL.

>> IT IS NOT. >> A TRANSFER.

>> CORRECT. WE WOULD BE THERE. >> OKAY. WE'LL TAKE YOUR POINT, TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT FULL BZA MEETING IN FEBRUARY.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, MS. NAJJAR, ARE YOU TRANSFERRING INTO THE FULL BOARD FOR REQUEST, OR ARE YOU DENYING A PETITION, SO THE PETITIONER CAN REQUEST IF YOU WANT TO?

>> OKAY. ON MY OWN REQUEST. >> AND THAT IS ALSO PERMITTED BY RULE AND PROCEDURE IF THEY BELIEVE A PARTICULAR MATTER NEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED AND THERE IS A PROVISION TO THAT REGARD. SO, THEY WOULD BE TRANSFERRED AUTOMATICALLY.

DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. IT WOULD BE ON THE NEXT

BZA HEARING AGENDA. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO BRING THE COST OF THAT. YOU KNOW, A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS OR THOUSAND

DOLLARS, WE WANT TO KNOW. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

[D. (V) White Residence Addition Rear Setback Variance. ]

>> NEXT ITEM, THE REAR SETBACK VARIANCE , NUMBER

PZ-2024-00246V. >> DID EVENING. KEVIN SCHLEICHER, CUTTING-EDGE HEART SKIPS, CONTRACTOR FOR THE PETITIONER'S , ATEMAN SHELLEY WHITE. THEY HAVE AN EXISTING DECK THEIR HOME THAT IS IN DISREPAIR. THEY JUST PLAN TO REPLACE THAT. CURRENTLY, THEY HAVE A FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING DECK THAT WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

THEY HAD JUST RECENTLY PURCHASED THE HOME THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO, THE PLAN -- OR HOPE TO -- UTILIZE THE SAME DECK FOOTPRINT AND THEN, ALSO, RESERVE THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO ADD A THREE-SEASON PORCH ON TOP OF THE DECK AT A FUTURE DATE.

SO, THE PETITIONERS ARE REQUESTING A MINIMUM OF IT IS REGARDING THE 20-FOOT REAR SETBACK -- THEY ARE REQUESTING 16 1/2 FEET , THE ADDRESS IS 13695, OTTER LAKE OVERLOOK IN CARMEL. THERE IS ALSO AN EASEMENT THAT IS REPRESENTED THERE , AND WE DID DO A CONSENT TO ENCROACH , AND THAT SHOULD BE UPLOADED IN THE BZA PACKET , AND THE HOAS IS IN AGREEMENT FOR BOTH THE DECK AND THE THRIFT SEASON.

>> OKAY. ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS PETITION? SEEING NONE, ANYONE OPPOSED ? SEEING NONE, DEPARTMENTS ' REPORT,

PLEASE? >> THANK YOU. THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE OF 3 1/2 FEET FROM THE BARRIER SETBACK .

THE DECK AND BUILDING , COLORS AND MATERIALS WILL COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING HOUSE , AND WE ARE ALSO TOLD THAT THE EXISTING TREES ALONG THE WATER, SHORELINE, WILL ALSO REMAIN .

WITH THAT, PLANNING STAFF DOES RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION OF THE VARIANCE , AS WELL AS ADOPTION OF THE FINDINGS OF

FACT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IT ALL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, PLANNING DEPARTMENT SUPPORTS THE VARIANCE REQUEST. THE PETITION AND FINDINGS ARE INCLUDED. THE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS POSITIVE

[D. (SE) Story Cottage Senior Group Home Westfield Blvd.]

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PZ-2024-00247SE. >> WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHOW THAT UP ON THE SCREEN, CORRECT? THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS -- -- HERE TO REPRESENT THE APPLICANT'S , CUSTOM DEPARTMENT, AND PRESENT TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT IS DAVID MORGAN, PRESIDENT OF SENIOR HOME COMPANIONS , DIANE COWAN, FOR THE ELDER, AND JIM -- ATTORNEY WITH OUR OFFICE -- GENERAL MACRO STORY, COTTAGE OFFERS A BOUTIQUE MEMORY CARE CONCEPT TO ITS SENIOR RESIDENTS, WHERE COMPASSION MEETS LUXURY.

STORY COTTAGE IS DEDICATED TO PROVIDING UNIQUE AND PERSONALIZED APPROACH IN A SAFE, HOME-LIKE ENVIRONMENT, INCLUDING INDIVIDUAL BEDROOMS, COMMITTEE SPACES AND TAILORED ACTIVITIES TO ASSIST RESIDENTS IN FEELING PURPOSEFUL ENGAGEMENT. AS AN EXAMPLE, STORY COTTAGE OPERATES CURRENTLY, TODAY, A SENIOR GROUP HOME LOCATED AT 136-333, KERRY ROAD IN THE CITY OF CARMEL AS WELL AS 1940, WEST MAIN STREET, ALSO IN THE CITY OF CARMEL.

THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OTHER STORY COLLEGES OR HOMES LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE INDIANAPOLIS AREA. APPROVAL OF THIS WOULD ALLOW STORY COTTAGE TO PROVIDE AN INNOVATIVE LIVING SOLUTION FOR PEOPLE WITH IN-LAWS. THE SUBJECT REAL ESTATE FOR TONIGHT PETITION IS IDENTIFIED HERE , ON THE EXHIBIT ON DISPLAY INCLUDES 1.2 ACRES WITH THE COMMON ADDRESS OF 11 1, WEST A FOOL BOULEVARD, SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ALONG THE BOULEVARD, WHICH ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE FOR THE WOODLAND OF COURSE, ACROSS THE PROPERTY TO OUR EAST. THE EXHIBIT ON DISPLAY NOW IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED NEW HOME, LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME LOCATION AS THE EXISTING HOME ON THE REAL ESTATE BACK FROM WESTVILLE BOULEVARD EXCUSE ME.

ALL RESIDENTS WILL NOT HAVE THEIR OWN VEHICLES, PARKING WILL BE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY TO ACCOMMODATE GUEST PARKING CAREGIVERS. IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THE GROUPON WOULD GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE TYPICAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOME BECAUSE OF THAT CONDITION .THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN LAID OUT TO PROVIDE THE ABILITY TO TURN AROUND SO THAT ONE CAN EXIT WITHOUT HAVING TO BACK OUT ONTO WESTFIELD BOULEVARD THE OUTDOOR SPACE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE FULLY FENCED ON THE SIDE AND REAR OF THE HOME. IN AND IN ADDITION, A WELL LANDSCAPED RESIDENT AT THIS LOCATION, TREES, SHRUBS, AS WELL AS THE PRESERVATION OF MANY TREES ON THE SIDE AS POSSIBLE. THE EXHIBIT ON DISPLAY NOW IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED HOME, WHICH WOULD FACE WESTFIELD BOULEVARD. THE REST OF THE HOME, SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS, WOULD BE SIMILARLY TAILORED FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE HOME, ITSELF, 6000 SQUARE FEET . A CUSTOM DESIGN WOULD BE BUILT BY RJ L CUSTOM HOMES, WHO HAS OVER 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN DESIGNING AND BUILDING CUSTOM HOMES . THE HOME WILL CONSIST OF 12 BEDROOMS TO ACCOMMODATE A MAXIMUM OF 12 RESIDENTS, INCLUDING COMMUNITY SPACES, A KITCHEN SPACE, AND A SMALL OUTDOOR PATIO. THE APPLICANT ESTIMATES THAT THE HOME CONSTRUCTION WILL COST APPROXIMATELY $1.8 MILLION, ON THE HOME CONSTRUCTION ITSELF. IN CONCLUSION, STORY COTTAGE WILL BE A CUSTOM DESIGNED HOME THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF RESIDENTS BY PROVIDING THOUGHTFUL, SUPPORT, AND A SMALLER, MORE COMFORTABLE AND PREDICTABLE SETTING TO BLEND INTO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREA ALONG WESTVILLE BOULEVARD.

UNIFIED ENTITLED TO FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION AS LONG AS THE REQUEST IS NOT OPPOSED BY THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST AND REVIEWED THE DEPARTMENT REPORT AND UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION , PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT CONTINUE ON AND COMPLETE THE NORMAL REVIEW PROCESS AND TIMELINE ALIGNED IN THE THE -- DEPARTMENT REPORT. I WANT TO KNOW THE RECEIPT BY STAFF, ONE SUPPORT LETTER FROM CAROL APPLEGATE SHOULD BE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING. WITH THAT, I WOULD CONCLUDE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AT THIS TIME OR AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC

HEARING. >> A PHOTOGRAPH, OR IS THIS A

RENDERING OR WHAT? >> IT IS A PHOTOGRAPH, SIMILARLY

DETAILED ON THAT LOCATION. >> OKAY. THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.

I THOUGHT YOU ALREADY BUILT IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR AWARE THAT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, SECTION 9.08, HAVE TO OBSERVE ALL OF THE REGULATIONS SPELLED OUT IN THAT?

>> YES, SIR. WITH NO OTHER RELIEF OR VARIANCES .

>> OKAY. BASIS OF REVIEW, ONE ITEM, A NECESSARY EXTERIOR

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>> ONLY EXTERIOR LIGHTING WOULD BE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE. YOU CAN SEE, RIGHT HERE, THOSE WOULD BE PHOTO CONTROLLED, WOULDN'T BE ANY OTHER EXTERIOR LIGHTING IN THE

AREA WHERE CARS ARE PARKED. >> SO, IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO

BOTHER THE NEIGHBORS? >> NO. IT WOULD JUST BE AN L.E.D., YOU KNOW, OR LIKE YOU HAVE --

>> I DROVE THROUGH THIS PROPERTY, BY THE WAY, AND THERE WAS NO MAILBOX WITH A NUMBER ON IT. IS THE HOUSE OCCUPIED?

>> THE MAILBOX TO THE DWELLING IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH AND ADJACENT TO THE DRIVEWAY. IT IS A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY WITH A LOT OF OVERGROWTH AND SHRUBS RIGHT ALONG THE STREET BUT IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN, BUT IT IS ABOUT THREE HOMES NORTH OF 111 STREET

. >> I WAS RIGHT THERE.

>> I'M PRETTY SURE IT HAD A MAILBOX WITH A LIGHT I POSTED THE SIGN FOR THE PUBLIC HOMES, AND THE SIGN FOR THE PUBLIC NOTICE WAS ONLY MAYBE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE MAILBOX.

>> I DIDN'T SEE IT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. IS IT OCCUPIED NOW?

>> YES, SIR, AND OWNED BY THE APPLICANT.

>> OKAY. >> ALSO, THAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULD FULLY COMPLY WITH SECTION 9.72, GROUP HOME USE, CIVIC STANDARDS YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT?

>> YES, SIR. >> AND THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS ALREADY BLESSED IT?

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS IN SUPPORT OF IT.

>> OKAY. IF HE HASN'T BLESSED IT, HE CAN DO THAT NOW IF HE IS HERE. THE PROJECT IS ALSO BEING REVIEWED BY VARIOUS ENTITIES , SUCH AS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WIRE DEPARTMENT, TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT. RIGHT? THERE ARE STILL SEVERAL REVIEW COMMENTS PETITION FOR EACH TO RESPOND TO AND ADDRESS AS PART OF THE NORMAL REVIEW PROCESS. WE ARE AWARE OF

THAT? >> WE ARE .

>> OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS PETITION AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF IT? SEEING ON, ANYONE OPPOSED? PLEASE, COME FORWARD . HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK? THREE? FOUR? WE WILL GIVE EACH ONE OF YOU FOUR MINUTES.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS TOM GROSSMAN. I LIVE AT THE PROPERTY JUST ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. THERE IS A LITTLE DRIVEWAY . IT GOES TO THE EAST OFF OF WESTFIELD BOULEVARD, PINE VALLEY DRIVE. THERE IS SEVERAL HOMES OFF OF THERE. THIS PROPERTY IS ABOUT THE 112 , AND THE PROPERTY WHERE I LIVE, RIGHT ON WESTFIELD BOULEVARD, IS A PROPERTY THAT MY FAMILY PURCHASED 71 YEARS AGO.

AND, I HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THIS, AND AS MUCH AS -- I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL, I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY PRETTY, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT IS A GREAT HOME FOR PEOPLE WITH MEMORY CARE . MY MOTHER-IN-LAW PASSED AWAY FROM ALZHEIMER'S ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. ALSO, THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND OUR HOUSE , WOULD VALLEY ESTATES , A FAMILY THAT WAS LIVING THERE YEARS AGO HAD THEIR ELDERLY FATHER LIVING IN IT . A CREEK BEHIND THE HOUSE THERE -- FARM WOODCREEK, I BELIEVE -- HE WANTED OFF, I BELIEVE, THEY FELL IN THE CREEK AROUND, THEY FOUND HIM DOWN BY THE BRIDGE, PINE VALLEY DRIVE, BUT THE SITUATION IS, MY CONCERN IS, THE ZONING CHANGES , WHAT WOULD NEED TO CHANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL , AND, EVEN THOUGH THAT THIS IS VERY PRETTY BUILDING, THIS IS GOING TO BE A FACILITY , AND MY CONCERN IS , WHEN IS THE NEXT GROUP OF HOMES GOING TO BE BOUGHT AND SOMEBODY DECIDES TO MIX UP ANOTHER FACILITY CLOSE BY? WESTFIELD BOULEVARD, RIGHT THERE, HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IT IS PRETTY DANGEROUS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. THERE HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT I HAVE KNOWN THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED RIGHT IN THAT AREA. THE TRAFFIC BACKED UP FROM THE ROUNDABOUT CLEAR UP TO OUR DRIVEWAY. AND, A LOT OF PRETTY BAD ACCIDENTS. I THINK , SOME OF US ARE JUST CONCERNED WITH WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE GROWTH OF THIS COMMUNITY. WITH THIS NEWS BUILDING AT THE WEST CORNER OF WONDER 16TH , WHICH IS LIKE 6 STORIES. A LOT OF US JUST HAVE A FEW THAT THAT IS GOING TO KIND OF CONTINUE TO MOVE DOWN. SO, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAINTAIN A LITTLE BIT OF A TRADITIONAL CULTURE FOR THE AREA. THAT IS

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ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS WILL SHERMAN. I LIVE IN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE DRAWING. SO, I AM 11 204 , WESTFIELD. CURRENTLY, THE AREA IS ALL RESIDENTIAL -- OR, IT IS ALL FAMILIES THAT LIVED IN THESE HOUSES -- AND THERE IS A SHARED CONCERN I HAVE, ALSO, AROUND THE ENCROACHMENT OF BUSINESSES INTO THE AREA. I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING THAT IS TRYING TO GET A PRETTY AROUND, TRYING TO BUILD UP, BUT THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE PURCHASED OUR HOUSE , AND IT HAS BEEN BUILT BRAND-NEW IN THE AREA , AND IT IS NOT A SMALL HOUSE, AND I LIKE IT , AND I LOVE IT, AND WE JUST PUT A POOL IN IT, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE AREA STAYS A FAMILY AREA. IT HAS BEEN THERE -- BEEN THAT WAY -- I KNOW RYAN IS GOING TO SHARE A STORY HERE ABOUT HOW LONG IT HAS BEEN A RESIDENTIAL AREA BUT, BUSINESS ENCROACHMENT IS MY PRIMARY CONCERN AS WELL. I AM HIGHLY CONCERNED THAT THERE ARE OTHER -- IN THE AREA -- 111 IN WESTFIELD -- THERE IS SOME CONCERNS THERE THAT WE HAVE AROUND THAT TURNING INTO A MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. I KNOW OUR NEIGHBOR JUST NORTH OF THE ROAD HAS RECENTLY PARCELED THEIR PROPERTY INTO FOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, AS OPPOSED TO JUST ONE LARGE ONE .AS LONG AS EVERYTHING IS SINGLE HOUSING AND WITH FAMILIES IN THERE, THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS , BUT AS SOON AS WE START BRINGING IN A BUSINESS NOW -- THIS IS A BUSINESS ENTITY WITH BUSINESS GOALS THERE TO MAKE MONEY -- THIS ISN'T A WEEK -- LIVING CENTER . THAT IS MY PRIMARY CONCERN WITH THIS.

>> THANK YOU. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS RYAN KELLY.

1188 WESTFIELD BOULEVARD, THE HOUSE DIRECTLY NORTH OF IT. I PURCHASED THE HOUSE ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO FROM THE FATHER-IN-LAW WHOOWNED THE HOUSE. SINCE AROUND 1982, I BELIEVE -- GIVE OR TAKE A FEW -- SHOULD BE UP TO TELL YOU -- AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.

PROPERTY PICTURESAND ALL OF THAT LOOK BEAUTIFUL. THE HOUSE LOOKS AMAZING. AS YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND IT, IT IS OVERRUN WITH BRUSH. IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY SINCE THEY PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. SO, THAT IS A BIG CONCERN OF MINE. HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT. THE PRETTY HAS ALWAYS JUST BEEN BASICALLY PUSHED TO THE SIDE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAD TRIED, AT ONE POINT, TO GO THROUGH THIS. SUPPOSEDLY, IT WAS ALREADY GRANDFATHERED IN. THEY COULD DO IT, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED, AND CONSTRUCTION, SOMETHING HAPPENED WHEN THE WHOLE THING GOT SHOT DOWN, AND IT WAS SUPPOSEDLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN . OF COURSE, JUST SAYING THAT WE WERE. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I HAVE A YOUNG KID THAT IS 9 YEARS OLD, AND YOUNG KIDS -- THE ONE WHO JUST SPOKE AS YOUNG KIDS THERE -- THAT IS A CONCERN OF OURS, PLUS, THAT TURNING INTO A BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE, WITH DEMENTIA, LIVING NEXT TO US IS NOT VERY PLEASING TO ME, NOR DO I FEEL THAT IF I WERE EVER TO SELL MY PROPERTY, WHICH I REALLY HAVE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT UNTIL NOW, TO THIS POINT -- AND IN SAYING THAT, IT IS A BUSINESS. THERE IS NOT A BUSINESS ENTITY ANYWHERE AROUND US, OTHER THAN HERE, ON 16TH STREET, OF COURSE, AND THEN OUR OTHER CONCERN IS THERE IS A PROPERTY ON 111 , WESTFIELD BOULEVARD, WHICH THEY ALSO TRIED , A FEW YEARS AGO, BACK WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO DO THIS SAME PROPERTY -- HE HAS A BIGGER PROPERTY . I THINK IT IS AROUND FOUR ACRES ON THE CORNER OF 111 AND WESTFIELD BOULEVARD THEY ARE TRYING -- THEY WERE -- SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO COME IN AND PURCHASE IT AND PUT CONDOS IN, BUT THEY DIDN'T GET TO PASS ON THE ZONE, I GUESS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. SO, MY BIGGEST CONCERN, AGAIN, IS THAT IT IS GOING TO BE A BUSINESS ENTITY, AND THAT THIS PASSES, NOW, THE GUY ON THE CORNER CELLS, NOW, THE CONDOS. NEXT THING YOU KNOW, OUR SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING HAS GONE CRAZY . MY HOUSE IS NOT WORTH VERY MUCH MONEY. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT I GET TO LIVE IN THIS BIG CITY, BUT, NOW, IF YOU PUT A $1.8 MILLION

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FRONT AND BACK OF US. SO, BIGGEST CONCERN IS MONEY TALKS, AND PEOPLE WALK . SO, THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> HELLO. I AM JESSICA GUWEIN, SOUTH AND ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED. JUST TO REITERATE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE WERE VERY DILIGENT ABOUT WHERE WE CHOSE TO LIVE. WE PURCHASED THE HOME ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BROUGHT TWO BABIES HOME TO IT . IT IS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA, IT IS R-1.I WOULD HATE TO NEGATE THE SPIRIT OF WHAT R-1 IS IN CARMEL. IT IS JUST AN AWESOME PLACE TO LIVE AND RAISE A FAMILY. I WOULD HATE, YOU KNOW, -- THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT IT THAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD VIBE. WE HAD THIS LUXURY OF BEING HERE A LOT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. WE GET TO SPEND TIME WITH THEM, ACROSS EACH OTHER'S YARDS, AND OUR KIDS CAN ENJOY EACH OTHER END TIME, AND THEY GET TO SAFELY GET TO, YOU KNOW, PLAY WITH EACH OTHER. I JUST WORRY ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT KIND OF GOES AGAINST WHAT R-1 IS AND WHAT IT ENCOMPASSES AS A LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY. SO, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THAT THEY ANTICIPATE LESS TRAFFIC WITH THIS NEW FACILITY , BUT I THINK THAT IS AN ANTICIPATION. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE OR HOW OFTEN THEIR FAMILIES ARE GOING TO BE VISITING. WITH THAT, THERE IS NEVER HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAINTY OF LESS TRAFFIC. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK, WITH WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, AND , YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT MOVING, KNOW, OUR NET OF POTENTIAL BUYERS SOMEDAY. WE DO WANT TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, IT COULD GO DOWN. I KNOW THEY SAY, THERE ARE STUDIES, BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN STUDIES OF OUR PROPERTY VALUES POTENTIALLY INCREASING, OR OUR HOME VALUE INCREASING. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A WHOLE SPAN OF WORRIES WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS OUR LITTLE SLICE OF CARMEL THAT WE HAVE LIVED IN THE LAST SIX YEARS. OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE LIVED THERE MUCH LONGER THAN US. WE HAD THESE BEAUTIFUL LITTLE KIDS GET TO RUN AROUND IN THE BACKYARD. I WOULD JUST HATE THAT WHOLE AREA TO BE INTERRUPTED WITH THIS PROJECT THAT, POTENTIALLY, SPIRALS INTO, YOU KNOW, MORE BUSINESSES TAKING OVER OUR BEAUTIFUL RESIDENTIAL HOMES, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON -- I HAVE LIVED IN THE COUNTY MY WHOLE LIFE -- WE EXPOSE BOTH AS WE CHOSE CARMEL SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO RAISE OUR FAMILY. I WOULD HATE TO GET MOVED OUT OF THE AREA BECAUSE OF THIS. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR

TIME. >> THANK YOU. MET WITH THE PETITIONER PLEASE ADDRESSYOUR NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS?

>> INITIALLY, THE ZONING WAS R-1 RESIDENTIAL, PROPOSAL ISN'T TO CHANGE THE R-WANTED RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION, STILL CONTINUE TO BE ZONED R OUR -1RESIDENTIAL. HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY , FOR THIS DEMOGRAPHIC, DIFFERENT HOMES HAVE LEGISLATION PROVIDED FOR THE STATE STATUTE, AS PART OF THE DEPARTMENT REPORT BUT IT IS AN AREA AND TYPE OF USE THAT WILL IDENTIFIES AS BEING APPROPRIATE WITHIN ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS FOR THE UDO, WHETHER IT IS R-1, 2 OR 3. TO THE IDEA THAT IT IS A BUSINESS , IT IS OWNED BY AN ENTITY, AND THE ENTITY PROVIDES SERVICES TO THOSE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO BE THERE THROUGH THE UDO'S , IDENTIFIED AS BEING CONSIDERED FAVORABLY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, BECAUSE I THINK WE, OR CARMEL, AS A CITIZENRY, DOESN'T WANT TO RELEGATE THESE THE VISUAL TO HAVING TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE IN A DIVERSE MALARIA. THE RESIDENTS HAVE FOCUSED ALL THEIR LIVES ON WANTING THAT PREDICTABLE, SMALL FAMILY KIND OF ENVIRONMENT. THERE WAS A POINT MADE ABOUT SAFETY. WITH REGARD TO SAFETY, OUTDOOR SPACE FOR THESE RESIDENTS, THEY DON'T COME IN AND OUT OF THE SITE INDIVIDUALLY. THE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE THAT THEY HAVE WOULD BE FENCED OFF , AND 24 HOURS A DAY, THERE ARE CAREGIVERS AT THE LOCATION, NOT BEDS FOR THE CAREGIVERS, BUT THEY ARE EMPLOYED BY RESIDENTS OF THE GROUP HOME TO PROVIDE SERVICES ,

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ADJACENT PROPERTIES. >> AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY VALUE IS CONCERNED, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHETHER THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY OR PROPERTIES NEXT TO THIS GROUP HOME WOULD GO UP OR

DOWN? >> IT IS ANTICIPATED BY THE STATE OF DOES NOT STATE -- RATHER, STAFF -- THIS BEING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHICH IS COMMON IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. IT WON'T HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON PROPERTY VALUES WITHIN THE VICINITY. THAT IS ONE OF THE REPORTING -- THAT WE PROVIDED WITHIN OUR TESTIMONY -- I THINK IT IS UNDER TAB SEVEN OF THE

BROCHURE. >> IT WILL NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE

EFFECT? >> CORRECT.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO, SIR.

>> OKAY. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK THERE. PLEASE, MAKE IT QUICK.

>> MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN WITH THE WHOLE SITUATION IS , OF COURSE, BECAUSE IT IS OLDER PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE NEXT TO US . IT IS AMBULANCES, FIRE TRUCKS, SO WHEN ARE THEY COMING, WHEN ARE THEY GOING, WHAT IS MY KID GOING TO SEE WHEN, UNFORTUNATELY, LIFE PASSES THEM BY? SO, THAT IS ANOTHER CONCERN OF MINE , IS AMBULANCES COMING IN AT 2:00, 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 IN THE MORNING BECAUSE SOMEBODY PASSED AWAY, SOMEBODY IS SICK OR HURT. ALL OF THOSE SITUATIONS I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER, AND I FORGOT TO, BUT THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT MY WIFE WANTED ME TO BRING UP, TOO, SEEING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AT A YOUNG AGE LIKE MY KID . SO, THAT WAS SOMETHING, AND THE TRAFFIC OF THAT , THEM COMING IN BECAUSE LORD KNOWS, IF YOU LIVE IN CARMEL, THE FIRE TRUCKS DEFINITELY LIKE TO TURN ON YOUR

SIDE. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

>> IF I MAY, OUR CLIENTS CONVEYED TO US THAT, OTHER THAN THE MEMORY LOSS ISSUES, THESE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE ARE IN GENERALLY GOOD HEALTH THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR PROCESSES AND OTHER HEALTH CONDITIONS -- OR THEIR HEALTH -- IT IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHERS OF US WOULD BE. IT IS UNLIKELY THAT THERE WOULD BE AN INORDINATE NUMBER OF AMBULANCES VISITING THE LOCATION, BECAUSE THEIR CONDITION ISN'T AN AMBULATORY CONDITION.

HEALTHWISE, WE DON'T HAVE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE HEALTH CONDITIONS. THEY MAY NOT BE PREVALENT ON THE BEST END OF THE SPECTRUM . WE ARE CLOSER TO END OF LIFE SITUATIONS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. DEPARTMENT MUST REPORT, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU. SO, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE CONSIDERS A GROUP HOME A RESIDENTIAL USE, AND THAT IS ALSO THE SAME UNDER STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS. IT IS CONSIDERED A RESIDENTIAL USE .

THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE REVIEWED ALL ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT, SUCH AS DRAINAGE, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, UTILITIES, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL REVIEW COMMENTS THAT STILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THAT AS PART OF THE NORMAL PROCESS AND TIMELINE.

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AGAIN, WE DO RECOMMEND FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION OF THIS PETITION WITH THE CONTENTION OF ADDRESSING THE REMAINING

REQUIREMENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. TO THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT , I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR POSITION. I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS HAS GONE THROUGH AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF STUDY BY THE DEPARTMENT. THIS IS NOT BEING PRESENTED LIGHTLY .

THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF CONDITIONS , AND ANALYSES, AND REVIEW , BASIS OF APPROVAL OR REJECTION, THAT ARE CONSIDERED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. AND, TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY HAVE FULFILLED ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS THAT IS IMPOSED ON THEM UNDER THIS REGULATION, AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE FULFILLED ALL OF THE OBLIGATIONS UNDER THAT RULE, I CANNOT SEE A REASON FOR THROWING THAT OUT. THEREFORE, I APPROVE THE REQUEST. THANK YOU.

[D. (V) LeMay Pool Lot Cover Variance. ]

>> THANK YOU. >> PARDON ME?

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME. THANK YOU.

NEXT IS DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2024-000248V.

>> GOOD EVENING. FURTHER RECORD, GLENN FLORENCE WITH FRANKENBERGER, OFFICE IN CARMEL, 550 CONGRESSIONAL BOULEVARD.

HERE ON BEHALF OF THE HOMEOWNER, LEMAYE, FOR A PRETTY 1223, PARKWAY, SUBDIVISION . HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A POOL CONSTRUCTED IN THE BACKYARD THAT IS WHAT IS CAUSING THE ISSUE WITH THE LOT COVERAGE .

STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED -- WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF THE PAST MONTH -- TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP WITH THE DESIGN OF THE POOL, SPECIFICALLY, THE DECKING SURROUNDING THE POOL.

THIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT THE POOL LOOKED LIKE , TO ADDRESS CONCERNS WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT , AND ANGIE IS POINTING OUT THE PERCENTAGE. WE HAVE CHANGED THIS TO PERMEABLE BEHAVIORS, WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR DRAINAGE ON THIS AREA OF THE POOL DECK. I BELIEVE THAT WAS SUPPORTED BY STAFF, ALSO SUPPORTED BY ENGINEERING, IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE WITH THE WIDE COVERAGE. AT THIS POINT, LOT COVERAGE IS AROUND 47%, INCLUDING THE IMITABLE PAVERS. WE ARE SEEKING A VARIANCE UP TO 55% , JUST IN CASE THE DESIGN HAS TO CHANGE DURING THIS CONSTRUCTION. THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL STILL ENSURE THAT APPROPRIATE PAPERS ARE USED FOR THE POOL DECKING TO AVOID LOT COVERAGE ISSUES. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. A VERY SIMPLE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR

TIME. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS PETITION? SEEING ON, ANYONE OPPOSED? SEEING NONE, DEPARTMENT REPORT, PLEASE?

>> THANK YOU. THE PETITIONER REQUESTS INSTALL A POOL IN THEIR BACKYARD. THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION APPROVAL HAS BEEN GRANTED , WITH A STIPULATION OF THE HOMEOWNER RECEIVING THE LOT COVERAGE VARIANCE. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. THE PETITIONER HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE A DESIGN OF A TRUE PERVIOUS PAVER/DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WHICH IS MUCH APPRECIATED. THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING REVIEW COMMENT ABOUT THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEM DESIGN, AS WELL AS ABOUT THE POOL PUMP EQUIPMENT DESIGN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS OF A QUIET DESIGN WITH LOW NOISE AND VIBRATIONS. SO, WE DO HAVE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, BUT WE DO RECOMMEND POSITIVE CONSIDERATION OF THE VARIANCE WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS IN THERE, AND YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE OF THEM. PROVIDE A COPY FOR THE DEPARTMENT, BUT DEPARTMENT ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, FOR THE PROPOSED PERVIOUS PAVERS SYSTEM ?

>> WE DID UPLOAD A CROSS-SECTION -- I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE

PAMPHLET WE PROVIDED. >> YOU HAVE CONTACTED THEM?

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>> WITH STAFF, THROUGH ENGINEERING, ON BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES. FRIDAY, WE UPLOADED MORE DOCUMENTATION.

>> YOU PROVIDE THE POOL PUMP EQUIPMENT, DESIGN DETAILS AS

WELL? >> YES.

>> OKAY. TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE SPURIOUS PAVERS.

>> THE POINT OF THE PERVIOUS PAVER IS TO ALLOW DRAINAGE TO GO

THROUGH AND MITIGATE . >> WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE WATER DOES IT ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH?

>> THAT IS A QUESTION I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO.

>> IF IT IS PERVIOUS, IT HAS GOT TO BE --

>> IT DRAINS THROUGH THE SEAMS BETWEEN THE STONES. THE IDEA IS

IT IS GOING TO PICK UP -- >> IT DOESN'T ALLOW 50% OF THE

DRAINAGE THAT GOES THROUGH? >> I DO NOT KNOW.

>> OKAY. WORK ON THAT. >> WE CAN WORK ON THAT. AS PART OF THE CONDITION, WE HAVE TO GET ENGINEERING TO SIGN OFF ON IT.

THAT WILL BE PART OF WHAT THEY LOOK AT.

>> OKAY. OKAY. DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS POSITIVE

CONSIDERATION. SO DO I. >> THANK YOU.

>> NEXT ONE, BANK OF AMERICA LIGHTING VARIANCE, I'M SORRY -- OH, I'M SORRY -- I GUESS WE

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