Feb 18, 2025 Carmel Plan Commission

[A. Call Meeting to Order]

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>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION. WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

[C. Roll Call]

THE ROLL. >> JESS LAWHEAD.

>> PRESENT. >> JONATHAN BLAKE.

>> PRESENT. >> CHRISTINE ZOCCOLA.

[D. Declaration of Quorum]

[E. Approval of Minutes]

>> PRESENT. >> DUBBIE BUCKLER.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH WE HAVE A QUORUM. FIRST UP ON OUR AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO MINUTES TO APPROVE BOTH THE DECEMBER 2024 MINUTES AND THE JANUARY 2025 MINUTES FROM OUR PLAN COMMISSION MEETINGS. FIRST DO I HAVE A

MISSION TO APPROVE THE DECEMBER. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> AND DECEMBER. >> SECOND.

>> ALL OF THOSE IN APPROVAL OF THE DECEMBER MINUTES PROVED.

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns (Part 1 of 2)]

>> ALL THOSE IN APPROVAL OF THE JANUARY MINUTES.

>> AYE. >> THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED. I DON'T SEE JOSH. SO WE'RE GOING TO.

>> HE'S HERE. >> THERE HE IS. OKAY. WE ARE, WE HAVE RECOGNITION OF OUTGOING MEMBERS. DIRECTOR.

>> IT'S ALWAYS ONE OF THOSE BITTERSWEET MOMENTS RIGHT WHEN WE LOSE A PLAN COMMISSION MEMBER BUT THEY GET THEIR LIFE BACK.

YOU KNOW, BEING A PLAN COMMISSION MEMBER IS DEFINITELY NOT AS EASY AS YOU ALL MAKE IT LOOK. AND THERE'S A LOT OF, TIME SPENT KIND OF DOING YOUR OWN HOME WORK. BUT ALSO, TIME % SPENT HERE IN THE EVENINGS ALONG WITH FAMILY AND ALL THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. AND JOSH KIRSH HE CAME TO US IN JANUARY 2016. I THINK OVER THE YEARS BECAME ONE OF OUR, THE FRIENDS OF DOCS AND WE'RE SORRY TO SEE HIM GO. KNOW THAT, HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME HERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF EVENINGS WHERE JOSH'S SON HOLDEN ALSO WAS HERE WITH US TOO. AND MAYBE WE SHOULD THANK HOLDEN WITH US AS WELL FOR PUTTING UP WITH US. A LOT OF BIG DECISIONS AND A LOT OF VOTES OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. JOSH, WE HAVE A LITTLE TOKEN OF APPRECIATION FOR YOU. ON BEHALF OF DOCS DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THE PLANNING STAFF. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU GAVE TO THE CITY.

>> NOT BECAUSE I HAVE SHORT THINGS TO SAY. IT WAS QUITE AN HONOR TO SERVE THE CITY IN THIS CAPACITY FOR THAT, THOSE TUESDAY NIGHTS. A GOOD CRITICISM I ONCE GOT BY, IT ACTUALLY CAME % DIRECTLY TO MAYOR JIM FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S SITTING VERY CLOSE TO ME. WHO SAID, JOSH IS TOUGH. AND HE'S NOT MAKING A LOT OF FRIENDS BECAUSE HE'S TOUGH BUT HE'S DOING WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE CITY. SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN AUDIBLE TONIGHT. IT MEANS A LOT. I LOVE THIS CITY. I LEAVE IT IN YOUR HANDS. YOU GUYS ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE NICER THAN WHEN WE FOUND IT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANKS, JOSH. AND JOSH, I JUST WANT TO ALSO JUST EXTEND AND I KNOW SUE WILL WANT TO SAY SOMETHING AS WELL. BUT JUST SO MUCH GRATITUDE FOR ALL OF YOUR SO MANY YEARS ON OUR PLAN COMMISSION. AND YOU TRULY DID MAKE EVERY PROJECT BETTER. AND

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SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. TRULY APPRECIATE ALL YOU HAVE DONE.

AND SUE, YOU ALSO VERY LONG SERVING COMMISSION MEMBER.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY PREPARED STATEMENT BUT IT'S BEEN A FUN RIDE SITTING NEXT TO YOU. I THOUGHT IT WAS 14 YEARS.

ACCORDING TO MIKE IT'S NOT QUITE THAT LONG. NOW I'VE MOVED UP TO YOUR SEAT AND I HAVE SOME BIG SHOES TO FILL. WE'RE GOING

TO MISS YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> AND COUNCIL MEMBER. >> AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ROLES YOU SAID IS YOU REALLY KNOW HOW TO HERD CATS. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART FOR MAKING ME FEEL SO WELCOME AND TEACHING ME THE ROPES. MUCH APPRECIATED. I'M GOING TO MISS YOU.

>> GENUINELY HUMBLED. YOU KNOW HOW A PROJECT CAN BE BETTER.

I'M GOING TO HAVE DINNER WITH MY FIANCE AND I WISH YOU ALL THE

BEST. >> THANK YOU, JOSH.

[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report]

>> ALL RIGHT, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, WE ARE AT COMMUNICATIONS BILLS EXPENDITURES AND COUNCIL REPORT. DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THE DOCKET IN? OKAY WE HAVE DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2024-00028 PUD TOWNE 146 PUD REZONE AS AMENDED. Z-694-24 AS AMENDED.

>> IF WE CAN HAVE THE DOC CAM PROJECTED TO THE SCREEN. THAT WILL HELP US WITH THE DISCUSSION. FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS JOHN DABASHE WITH NELSON AND FRANKENBURGER. WE REPRESENT THE PETITION REGARDING THIS MATTER. LENIER HOMES. THIS PLAN INCLUDED TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ON THE PARCEL REAL ESTATE WHICH IS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TOWNE ROAD AND 146TH STREET. WE INTRODUCED TO THE COUNCIL IN DECEMBER. WE HAD TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN JANUARY. AT WHICH TIME AMENDMENTS WERE MADE TO THAT PLAN. MANY OF THE PLANNED COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, WHEN AMENDMENTS ARE MADE TO WHAT IS RECOMMENDED TO THE PLANNED COMMISSION IS WHAT WAS ADOPTED TO THE COUNCIL. IT COMES BACK TO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR WHAT I WILL CALL RATIFICATION. IN THE EVENT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RATIFIES THAT DECISION TO THE COUNCIL TONIGHT.

THE PROCESS WOULD BE COMPLETED AND THE ORDNANCE WOULD BE FINAL IN THE EVENT THAT THE PLAN COMMISSION HAS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR CONCERNS. THEY WOULD FORWARD THE MATTER BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL WOULD PLACE IT BACK ON THEIR AGENDA FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION. THE PLAN THAT'S PRESENTED IN FRONT OF YOU IS VERY SIMILAR IN DESIGN. THIS IS THE OLD PLAN, THE STREET LAY OUT IS VERY SIMILAR. AS I INDICATED IT WAS A REDUCTION AND REMOVAL OF THE TOWNHOME PROPOSED DWELLINGS AND REPLACE THOSE WITH A NEW PRODUCT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR THE REDUCTION WAS FROM 87 HOMES ORIGINALLY PLANNED DOWN TO 50.

THIS IS THE REVISED HOME PRODUCT. IT'S ALLEY FED PRODUCT THAT FACES THE STREET. THIS WOULD BE A SIMILAR IMAGINE THAT ONE MIGHT SEE TRAVELING DOWN THE FRONTAGE ROAD BEING LOCATED HERE. TRAVELING DOWN 146TH STREET LOOKING SOUTH AND EAST, WEST GENERALLY AS ONE WOULD GO DOWN 146TH STREET. THIS HOME PRODUCT, WILL INCLUDE BEDROOMS ON ALL FIRST FLOORS AND 80% WOULD HAVE A MASTER ON THAT FIRST FLOOR OF THAT DWELLING AND WOULD BE PRICED FROM APPROXIMATELY THE 600S.

AMENITIES AREN'T CHANGED WITH THIS PLAN FROM WHAT THE PLAN

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO FELLOW PLAN COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. IS THE MOST RECENT VERSION THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT JANUARY 21, 2025 COMING BACK FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. IS THAT THE MOST RECENT TEXT TO THE PD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE

LOOKING AT THE MOST RECENT ONE. >> YES.

>> I DIDN'T SEE, MAYBE I MISSED IT THE RENTAL RESTRICTIONS.

>> THE RENTAL RESTRICTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE COMMITMENT. SO

YOU WON'T SEE REFERENCE. >> SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO

REFERENCE IT IN THE PUD. >> THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO THE

COMMITMENTS IN THE ORDNANCE. >> OKAY.

>> BUT THEY'LL BE RECORDED ON THE REAL ESTATE AND BE PART OF TITLE TO EVERY PARCEL ONCE THEY'RE RECORDED.

>> OKAY, THEN I WILL JUST OPEN IT UP FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REVISED PUD. YES, COUNCIL

WESTERMEIER. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, THE PICTURES YOU'RE SHOWING OF THE GAZEBO THOSE ARE STILL INCLUDED.

>> YES. >> SO NOTHING HAS CHANGED WITH THE RETENTION POND. EVERYTHING THAT IT WENT THROUGH.

>> YES. >> STREETS AND LIGHTING.

>> RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, THAT'S ALL.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER MINNAAR. >> NOT A QUESTION. JUST WANTED TO LET ALL OF OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO KNOW THAT WE CITY COUNCIL SENT THIS BACK WITH A UNANIMOUS VOTE. JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT'S HOW WE VOTED. ALSO I WANT TO THANK LINAR AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT SURROUND THE COMMUNITIES. IT'S A VERY RARE HAPPENSTANCE THAT A BUILDER WILL COME BACK AND CHANGE THEIR COMPLETE PLAN. I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH PLAN COMMISSION AND THEN BACK TO CITY COUNCIL TO LAND USE. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE THINK YOU ARE A WONDERFUL PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF CARMEL, SO WE THANK YOU.

>> YES. THIS WAS A LENGTHY PROCESS NO FAULT OF LENNAR. ONE QUICK QUESTION, I SEE YOU STRUCK OUT SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS.

DEFINING ADLES BUT THEN YOU STILL LEFT IN A REFERENCE ON THE PUD. WILL THIS COME BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ADLS.

>> IT WILL NOT. IT WAS ONLY PART OF THE ORIGINAL ORDNANCE OF THE TOWNHOMES THAT WOULD RECEIVE ADLS REVIEW.

>> OKAY, SO, HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN THAT IT WON'T COME BACK FOR ADLS BECAUSE, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THIS UP ANY FURTHER. BUT THE WAY THE PUD IS WRITTEN THE PICTURES ARE JUST, THEY'RE AS GENERAL CONCEPTUAL IDEAS. WE'RE GOING RELY ONLY ON THE TEXT OF THE PUD I KNOW TODAY IS NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO BUILD. BUT HAVING IT COME BACK, FOR SOME REASON IT STARTS TO GET TRANSFERRED. WAS THIS SOMETHING DISCUSSED TO NOT HAVE IT BACK TO DISCUSS FOR DLS.

>> NO. >> NO. IS THE DEPARTMENT

COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >> YES, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. THIS IS HOW IT WOULD NORMALLY HAPPEN FOR ANY SINGLE FAMILY PUD. THE TOWNHOMES WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONLY ONES TO COME BACK FOR ADLS. AND BECAUSE OF THAT WE HAVE WRITTEN IN CERTAIN ITEMS SO WE GET THE CHARACTER. NUMBER OF WINDOWS, WANESCOTTING.

MATERIALS, ROOF LINE. WE TRIED TO WRITE THOSE IN AS MUCH AS WE COULD. AND THEN IT WILL JUST COME BACK TO THE PROCESS.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR THE EXHIBITS TO BE PUT UP THERE SO WE CAN SEE THEM. JUST MORE CURIOSITY ABOUT COMBINED POND OR MEGA POND AND LOOKS LIKE NO CHANGES BUT JUST CURIOUS WHAT

>> THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT BOTH COMMITTEE MEETINGS. THERE WAS

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>> THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. IT'S STILL A COMBINED POND.

>> YES. >> THAT SAID I'M DELIGHTED WITH THE REVISION AND I WOULD MOVE ADOPTION TO THE DOCKET ITEM.

>> HOLD ON, ADAM. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> YEAH, ON THE POND, COMBINED MANAGEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO HOAS AND THEN ALSO STILL OVERSIGHT FROM THE.

>> IT'S BY THE COUNTY. IT'S A PARCEL THAT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTY RIGHT HERE. SO IT'LL BE MANAGED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA OF BOTH ASSOCIATIONS BUT AS APPROVED AND DIRECTED BY THE

COUNTIES SURVEYORS OFFICE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THEN DEBBY DID YOU, I'M SORRY COUNCIL MEMBER

MINNAAR. >> IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING BETWEEN THE TWO HOAS. WE DID GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL COMMITMENTS THAT IS REQUIRED RIGHT NOW WHAT'S AT, WHAT'S CURRENTLY SITTING AT AMPLE SIDE. AND THEY'LL BE SITTING UNDER THE SAME, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG JOHN. THEY WILL BE UNDER THE SAME RULES THAT AMBLE SIDE IS UNDER. SO MY COMFORT WITH THAT, AND I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU FROM MY OWN PERSONAL VIEW, MY COMFORT WITH THAT IS KNOWING THAT THE COUNTY WILL MANAGE THAT. AND ALONG WITH THE CITY. BECAUSE THE CITY WILL ALSO BE THE BIG STICK IN THIS SITUATION IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS CAN'T SEEM TO GET ALONG. SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

>> OKAY, DEBBY DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF DOCKET NUMBER PZ2024-00028. THE TOWN 146 PUD REZONE AS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

>> IS THERE A SECOND. >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR

PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED. HEARING NONE. IT'S PASSED. CONGRATULATIONS THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO MOVING ON, WE'RE NOW TO WELL, ARE THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM REPORTS OR COMMUNICATIONS BILLS

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns (Part 2 of 2)]

>> THE ONLY THING WE COULD ADD TO THE TO THE DISCUSSION IS JUST TO REITERATE THAT ITEM NUMBER ONE HAS BEEN TABLED TO MARCH 18TH. THAT'S DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2024-00222 THE U.S.-421-WCD PUD. IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR THAT ITEM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE BECAUSE IT WILL NOT BE HEARD UNTIL MARCH 18TH.

>>> THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE 20 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR PETITION AND THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS. EITHER FOR OR OPPOSED. THEN THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUITY FOR REBUTTAL. THEN WE WILL TURN FOR THEIR COMMENTS AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE COMMENTS THAT PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING IS CLOSED. AND THEN THE PLANNED COMMISSION MEMBERS WILL ASK

[Items H.2. - H.4.]

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FILED BY ADAM MEARS OF GRADISON LAND DEVELOPMENT.

>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, OPENING YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES NOT

20. >> IT'S 15 MINUTES NOT 20.

>> I WON'T BE ANY WHERE NEAR THE 20 MINUTES. AND I APPRECIATE IT. I'M ADAM MEARS FROM GRADISON LAND DEVELOPMENT, INC.

WE HAVE LEANNE FROM STUPELWORTH WHO IS OUR ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT. THIS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED. THIS IS A PROPERTY 1255 WEST 115TH STREET.IT'S JUST WEST OF WEST RANGE ROAD BETWEEN BONOM FARMS AND DONNIE BROOK SUBDIVISIONS.

APPROXIMATELY A 7-ACRE PIECE. AS WAS STATED IT WAS CURRENTLY ZONED R1. SO WE'RE NOT HERE FOR ZONING WE'RE HERE FOR OUR PRIMARY PLAT. WHICH IS WAY MORE TECHNICAL AND FOR ME I WOULD LIKE DOING PRIMARY PLATS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT LESS EMOTION INVOLVED. BUT HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR PLAN IS HERE. WE ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE AND WAIVER. SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AS I KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PLAN. ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS 116TH STREET. WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS TO REMAIN A PRIVATE DRIVE. CERTAINLY THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR IT THE STREET TO THE WEST IS ALSO A PRIVATE DRIVE. IT'S A UNIQUE DRIVE. IT HAS THREES ON BOTH SIDES. UNFORTUNATELY THE TREES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS DRIVE, SO OVER HERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REMOVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THOSE FOR THE STREET AFTER TALKING TO FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ENOUGH WIDTH FOR THEIR LARGEST TRUCK. THROUGH COMMENTS WE WORKED OUT WITH FIRE AS LONG AS WE HAD THE 20-FOOT DRIVE THEN A LITTLE TURN AROUND DOWN HERE. I BELIEVE WE SATISFIED THEIR COMMENTS.

ESSENTIALLY, THESE ARE GOING TO BE FOUR FLAG LOTS COMING OFF THIS PRIVATE DRIVE. WITH THE FRONT AREA OF ABOUT 1-1/4 ACRES BEEN COMMON. WE HAVEN'T DECIDED YET WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TRADITIONAL RESTRICTION. WE'RE STILL KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT. BUT THESE WILL BE FOUR CUSTOM HOMES BUILT BY GRADISON DESIGN BUILD. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, EACH OF THE LOTS IS LOT ONE IS SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN AN ACRE. THE REST ARE A LARGER PARCEL.

DOWN AT THE BOTTOM IS OVER 2 ACRES. THE REASON FOR OUR WAIVER REQUEST FIRST OUT OF ALL THE EASY ONE IS THE PRY VAT DRIVE.

AT 20-FOOT WE'RE STILL GOING TO MEET ALL THE CITY STANDARDS.

THIS LENDS ITSELF TO A PRIVATE DRIVE RA*T RATHER THAN HAVING THE CITY MAINTAIN IT. WE WOULD ASK FOR THAT WAIVER. AND THE SECOND, IT'S CURRENTLY 25 FEET. THERE'S A TON OF FLOOD WAY BACK HERE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 100-FOOT PRESERVATION BOTH TREE PRESERVATION IN THIS AREA HERE. OF COURSE IT'S FLOODWAY. SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THE HOMES FURTHER UP AND OUT OF THIS FLOOD WAVE, WE'RE ASKING FOR A 10-FOOT REDUCTION. IT'S OFF OF THIS DRIVE AND THIS PROPERTY LINE HERE. THE HOMES WILL BE UP 10 FEET CLOSER THAN THEY WOULD NORMALLY. AGAIN, BUT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PRIVATE DRIVE. AND THAT'S AGAIN, DUE TO THE FLOOD WAY AND ALSO THE 100-FOOT TREE PRESERVATION. IT'S OUR GOAL TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE. AGAIN WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME ON THIS EAST SIDE FOR FIRE PURPOSES. THE TREES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS THAT BORDER MONAM FARMS ARE GOING TO REMAIN. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE IN NOT GREAT SHAPE OUT THERE. CLEARLY WE'LL HAVE TO REMOVE SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE EITHER DEAD OR DANGEROUS. BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE FINE. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO KEEPING THOSE. WITH THAT, REALLY THAT'S AS MUCH AS I'VE GOT ON THIS PRIMARY PLAT. I'M HAPPY TO THAT'S ALL ABOUT ALL I HAVE UT - HERE. I WILL SAY, I KNOW AS MOST PEOPLE, AND I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS YET. I KNOW DRAINAGE IS A BIG CONCERN. I GUESS I WOULD SAY THIS JUST AS A PRECURSOR, DRAINAGE WE WILL AND

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FROM THERE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. BY SHOW OF HANDS IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR

IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PETITION? >> OKAY. ONE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP? TWO PEOPLE. IS IT THREE. FOUR. OKAY. THEN, FIVE.

SO LET'S DO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. SO COME UP HERE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND GENERALLY WHERE YOU LIVE. YOU WILL SEE THE GREEN, YELLOW AND RED LIGHTS AND THAT WILL RUN THE TIMER FOR YOU.

THE YELLOW LIGHT WILL BE WARNING WHEN IT TURNS RED. THAT MEANS YOU'RE OUT OF TIME. WE'LL DO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON THEN.

SO GO AHEAD. >> OKAY. MY NAME IS ADAM SHREK.

I LIVE ON RALSTON AVENUE. SO ORDERING THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE.

I LIVE ACTUALLY AT THIS PLOT OF LAND SO I AM PROBABLY ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT IS MORE IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT THAN ANYBODY. GENERALLY MY CONCERN EXACTLY AS WAS STATED IS THE DRAINAGE. SO, WITH THIS DRY BASIN HERE AND THE PLAN TO EFFECTIVELY DRAIN ANY OVERFLOW INTO THE CARMEL CREEK, MY BACKYARD IS CARMEL CREEK. SO ANY ADDITIONAL ESSENTIALLY WATER WHETHER IT'S A 100 YEAR FLOOD, 10 YEAR FLOOD OR ANY FLOOD THAT OCCURS, OF AND ABOVE THE DRY BASIN, WILL DIRECTLY IMPACT MY BACKYARD. AND THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN ADDITION WITH THIS SET BACK REQUIREMENT HERE MOVING THE HOUSES UP. OBVIOUSLY THAT PUTS THE HOUSES A BIT FURTHER FROM OUR HOMES HERE ON RALSTON. A GREAT BENEFIT AND ESPECIALLY AS IT SAVES THE TREES AND CONSERVES THIS PORTION OF LAND HERE, BUT, AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS WITH THE WAY THAT IT IMPEDES UPON OUR ESSENTIALLY OUR VIEW AND A 2-1/2 LEVEL HOME WOULD BECOME A 3 TO 3-1/2 LEVEL HOME AT THAT VIEWPOINT. MY BACK WINDOW WOULD BECOME STARING INTO SOMEBODY'S HOME. PLAYS AN IMPACT. I THINK MOST OF US ON RALSTONE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CITY TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LAND. WE'RE ALSO PRAGMATIC. THIS IS PRY VATLY -- PRIVATELY OWNED. LIKELY THE BEST OF MANY SITUATIONS ESPECIALLY FROM WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BEST OF THE SITUATIONS HAS BEEN PRESENTED THUS FAR. I THINK THE WAY THAT THE TREES ARE BEING CONSERVED AND THE WAY THE LAND IS BEING USED IS THOUGHTFUL. BUT AGAIN MY CONCERNS ARE WITH DRAINAGE AND THE WAY THAT VIEW WILL ESSENTIALLY RISE UP TO MEET US AT HIGH LEVEL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF THE NEXT PERSON WOULD PLEASE COME UP AND IF, MAYBE FORM A LINE WAITING SO THAT WE CAN GO ONE AFTER THE OTHER THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IF YOU COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. IF THE NEXT PERSON CAN BE STANDING WAITING IN LINE THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND AGAIN PLEASE

INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> HELLO MY NAME IS BRANDON ZELLER. I ALSO LIVE ON RALSTON. THIS WILL BE SHORT AND SWEET.

BUT IT'S PERTINENT. I WOULD ASK YOU TO THINK FOR ANY TO THINK 'E SEEN A SEVERE DECREASE IN THE HAWKS ON THE POWER LINES. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DEER CROSSING SIGN ON RALSTON AVE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION TO THIS LAND IS, BUT I THINK THAT THE ANIMALS THAT USE THE LAND THAT WE ALL SEE YOU KNOW ALMOST

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BUT I REALLY WANT TO IMPRESS UPON ALL YOU GUYS NOT TO FORGET ABOUT THEM WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING CARMEL THE BEST CITY IN AMERICA TO LIVE IN. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MY NAME IS DALE SHARTON, I LIVE ON RALSTON. I JUST RELOCATED HERE LAST YEAR. I LOOK AT OUR BACKYARD, WE SEE THIS BEAUTIFUL FOREST. NOW I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE BLOODY HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO GET BUILT. ARE THEY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ME. SO I FEEL WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME PRIVACY. AND I SPEAK FOR ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS REALLY THOUGHT THAT. A BUILDER OF MYSELF FOR 34 YEARS. I KNOW IT TAKES TO BUILD A HOUSE. WHAT IT TAKES TO GO UNDER GROUND.

EARTH MOVERS. ONCE YOU START BRINGING EARTH MOVERS, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN. YOU SEE CRACKS IN THE DRY WALL. I'M TOTALLY AGAINST IT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE BUILDER A LITTLE BIT MORE. WHAT SIZE THE HOUSE IS. WHAT'S THE DURATION OF THE START TIMES AND FINISH TIMES. AND WHAT'S THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSES AND WHAT ARE THE GUIDELINES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE. AGAIN, THE FLOOD FACTOR ALSO. IS REALLY BIG. AND

NOISE AND ALL THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> HI THERE I'M TRACY RUNGY. I LIVE ON RALSTON AVENUE. MY CONCERNS ARE, MY HOME IS RIGHT HERE. AND IF THEY CHANGE THAT ELEVATION HOW IS THAT GOING TO EFFECT MY PROPERTY. I HAVE THE CREEK ALL ALONG THE SIDE OF MY HOME. AND THEN PARTIALLY IT GOES BACK AND GOES TO THE CURB WHICH IS THEN BEHIND THE FIRST YOUNG MAN'S HOME. WE HAVE LOTS OF TREES BACK THERE. LOTS OF PRIVACY. I'VE BEEN THERE 10 YEARS THAT'S WHAT DREW ME TO THAT AREA. I CALL IT OUR LITTLE OASIS. NO ONE KNOWS WE'RE THERE. I CAN SIT AT MY SIDE PATIO, I CAN LISTEN TO THE GAZEBO, HEAR THE MUSIC AND HAVE NO ONE AROUND ME. IT'S ALL PRY -- PRIVATE. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE HERE IN CARMEL.

WHAT S THE BEST USE OF THIS LAND? WHAT IS THE BEST USE. DO WE NEED ANOTHER SUBDIVISION. HOW MANY SUBDIVISIONS DOES CARMEL ALREADY HAVE. WHEN I MOVED HERE IT WAS A SINGLE DWELLING. ONE HOME WAS ON THAT PROPERTY. THAT'S REALLY ALL THERE NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE OUT OF THOSE ACREAGE, THREE OF IT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN ARE FLOODPLAIN. YOU'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT INTO OUR BACKYARDS. YOU'RE GOING TO WITH THE ELEVATION, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT LIKE HE SAID, A 2-1/2 STORY HOME WHICH IS THEN GOING TO BE A 3-1/2 STORY HOME. WHAT AM I LOOKING AT IN MY BACKYARD. I'M NOT GOING WANT TO STAY BACK THERE. IT'S TAKING ALL OF OUR PRIVACY AWAY. THAT HOME, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN THERE FOR 60 YEARS. IT WAS PAUL ESTRIGE SR. VERY FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T THINK HE ENVISIONED THIS TO BE ON HIS PLOT OF LAND. SO.

THANK YOU. >>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> HI MY NAME IS FELICIA WELSH. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT. I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ALL OF OUR CONCERNS. I FEEL LIKE, I ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID. AND AS PRESIDENT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A CONCERN TO THINK ABOUT EVERY ALL THE CONCERNS. I THINK DRAINAGE BEING A HUGE ISSUE. THIS WHOLE AREA HERE. LIKE THIS PLOT OF LAND AS YOU KNOW IS VERY UNIQUE TO THE CITY. SURROUNDED BY A NATURE PRESERVE. AND THE PACK PARK TRAILS. AND YOU HAVE THIS LITTLE STRIP OF LAND THAT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED. PARTIALLY BECAUSE IT IS A FLOODPLAIN. SO, WE ARE, I THINK KNOWN THAT THIS AREA COULD BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT OR WOULD BE. OBVIOUSLY IDEALLY WE WOULD LIKE ONE HOME. JUST LIKE IT IS ZONED AS RESIDENTIAL ONE.

A HUGE CONCERN AND I KNOW THIS PLAN IS NOT SHOWING IT AND I

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ONE OF THE THINGS I DO LOVE ABOUT IT IS ALL THE PRESERVE, ALL THE PARKS. AND BECAUSE OF THIS POCKET RIGHT OFF THE CREEK, WE DO HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF ALL TYPES OF ANIMALS. AND I THINK BECAUSE OF THAT PRESERVE, IF WE COULD KEEP IT AS LOW, AS LOW IMPACT AS POSSIBLE WITH HOMES, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. ONLY JUST BECAUSE OF THIS LIKE THE SPACE OF LAND. IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT IN THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.

EVERYBODY TOUCH ON EVERYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> I AM RICHARD SERVER. MY FIRST QUESTION IS IF IT'S ZONED R1 WHY DOESN'T IT HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO IN ORDER TO BUILD FOUR HOMES.

THAT'S JUST A QUESTION YOU CAN ANSWER IT LATER. WE LIVE, OUR HOME IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE MOST IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE PROPERTY LINE FROM OUR BACK DOOR IS ABOUT 25 FEET AWAY. AND THE DRIVEWAY, THE CURRENT GRAVEL DRIVEWAY IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THERE WILL BE A STREET THAT CLOSE TO THE BACK OF OUR HOUSE. PLUS THAT PIECE OF LAND BEHIND US IS CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN OUR HOME. IT MUST BE SIX FEET HIGHER THAN OUR HOME. I'M WONDERING. I WANT KNOW WHAT THE% DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF THAT HEIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE BUILT ON THAT LAND.

IT MAY NOT BE RIGHT THERE. IT MAY BE FURTHER AWAY. THE CONCERN IS THAT, WE'LL BE OVERLOOKED BY A HOME THAT'S MUCH HIGHER THAN OURS. PLUS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT DOWN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF EARTH MOVING AND POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO OUR

HOME. SO THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? SEEING NONE. MR. MEARS WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND?

>> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE ADAM, TAYLOR, TRACY AND FELICIA'S COMMENTS. R1 ALLOWS FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING. THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT HERE FOR ZONING. I THINK IT'S A MINIMAL OF 2.1 METERS AN ACRE. AND A MINIMUM OF 12,000 SQUARE A LOT. WE MET ALL THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS. AS WE SIT HERE TODAY SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING ZONING RELATED. I CAN'T GET TOO MUCH MORE INTO THE DRAINAGE AGAIN OTHER THAN TO ASSURE THE NEIGHBORS THAT THE CITY AND THE CITY'S ENGINEERING ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN COMING UP WITH OUR DRAINAGE PLAN. TO ENSURE THAT, THERE ISN'T ANY INCREASE AND THERE ARE STATE LAWS THAT REQUIRE HOW FAST WE CAN RELEASE WATER. I AM NOT TECHNICAL IN ANY WAY AS FAR AS ENGINEERING GOES. BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S TAKEN INCREDIBLY SERIOUS BY THE MUNICIPALITY AND OUR ENGINEERS AND IT'S NOT AS IF, JUST AS A DEVELOPER WE COME IN AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK WE SHOULD DO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE DRAINAGE RIGHT. IT'S AN COLLABORATIVE EVENT WITH THE MUNICIPALITY. SO, WE DON'T DETERMINE THESE THINGS, IT'S SCIENCE. AND ENGINEERS AND AGAIN THE CITY IS, AS ANYBODY, I'M A CARMEL RESIDENT, I FEEL GREAT ABOUT CARMEL AND THE PLANNING STAFF. THE COMMISSIONS AND

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INCLUDING DRAINAGE. IT DRILLS DOWN EVEN MORE. SO I KIND OF LOOK AT IT PRIMARY PLAT AS, YOU KNOW MAYBE, 5,000 FEET ONCE YOU GET TO CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. YOU'RE AT 100 FEET. SO, THE DETAIL CONTINUES. WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE MUNICIPALITY. TO ENSURE THAT, WE'RE MEETING AND EXCEEDING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR DRAINAGE. I KNOW NEIGHBORS HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME. AGAIN, I HEAR IT TOO WHEN I'M A NEIGHBOR. BUT, I CAN SAY THIS, NOT JUST AS A DEVELOPER BUT AS A CARMEL RESIDENT. THE CARMEL DOES AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF ENSURING THAT WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT DOESN'T HAPPEN. THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT. AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE ALREADY ZONED. WE'RE HERE FOR THE PRIMARY PLAT IN THOSE TWO WAIVERS. I ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE PRIMARY PLAT AND GRANT THE WAIVER AND VARIANTS AND APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DEPARTMENT. I'LL TURN TO STAFF

COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD.

CRISTINA JESSE CARMEL PLANNING AND ZONING. THIS IS A SIMPLE MINOR SUBDIVISION WITH A VERY UNIQUE PARCEL. SO I WILL JUST KIND OF HIT THE MAIN HIGHLIGHTS. THE PETITIONERS ARE PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE THE PARCEL INTO A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION WAIVER. AND ASKING A STANDARD VARIANCE FOR LOTS, ONE, TWO, AND THREE. 35-FOOT MINIMUM IS REQUIRED FOR R1. THEY'RE REQUESTING 25-FOOT. THIS IS DUE TO THE FLOODPLAIN CONSTRAINTS TO THE EAST OF THE SITE. THE SUBDIVISION MEETS THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PRIVATE DRIVES ALSO MEETS ALL THE FOR ACCESS. THE PETITIONERS DID MAKE THESE CHANGES SINCE THE DEPARTMENT REPORT WAS ISSUED SO STAFF IS HAPPY WITH THAT. AND ADDITIONALLY ALL THE TREES WITHIN THE EASEMENT WILL ALSO BE PRESERVED ON-SITE. THE PRIMARY ITEM IS FINALIZES DRAINAGE DESIGN FEATURES BUT I DID CHECK WITH THEM AND THEY DO NOT FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD HOLD THE PROJECT UP AND THEY CAN WORK WITH THIS THROUGH DOCKETS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMISSION. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE DEPARTMENT DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM TONIGHT. CONTINGENT ON FINALIZING THOSE COMMENTS WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND

PROJECT DOCS. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:43. I WILL OPEN IT TO THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MINNAAR.

>> I AM NEVER OUT OF WORDS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THESE ARE QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER IF I MAY. THANK YOU MR. MEARS.

ACTUALLY I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND I PROMISE I WON'T BOGART THE CONVERSATION TOO MUCH. SO YOU SAID YOU HAVE NOT

MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AT ALL. >> WE HAVE NOT, NO.

>> IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU HAVEN'T.

>> R1 ALLOWS FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE HAVE JUST PROCEEDED FORWARD AFTER MEETING WITH STAFF THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING

TO DO. NO NEFARIOUS REASON. >> NO I'M NOT INSINUATING THAT.

>> WE DID MEET WITH STAFF INITIALLY. BUT IT WASN'T EVEN DISCUSSED. IT'S OKAY YOU CAN DO A MINOR PLAT. THESE FOLLOW THE R1 REQUIREMENTS SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD. THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT DOES, AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO GARNER SOME GOOD WILL. IN MY OPINION, MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE BEEN A FIRST GOOD STEP.

>> UNDERSTOOD. >> EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SIMPLE SUBDIVISION. TO ME, AS A FORMER HOA PRESIDENT I WOULD HAVE

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APPRECIATED THAT. >> SURE, UNDERSTOOD.

>> JUST SOME FEED BACK THERE. AND NUMBER TWO, SO YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE TWO THINGS TONIGHT ANY WAY. BUT JUST AS A CURIOSITY FACTOR. WHEN YOU DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, THE OWNERS DO REALIZE THE PRIVATE DRIVE WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SNOWPLOWING, MAINTENANCE. ANY OF THAT.

>> YES, 100%. >> I JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD. THERE'S NO PATHS, NO WALKING PATHS AS FAR AS WE CAN

SEE. >> WE DEVELOPED ASHER WOOD THAT HAS THE PRIVATE DRIVE. WE ARE IN UNDERSTANDING. EVERYBODY WILL BE WELL VERSED THAT IT'S A PRY -- PRIVATE DRIVE. THAT IS CLEAR

THAT THE OWNER. >> YOU CAN BUILT THESE PROPERTY, REPLOT THEM HOWEVER YOU'RE DOING THEM. THEN THEY COME BACK FOR A HIGHER HEIGHT. I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN. SO. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME NOW. I

MAY HAVE MORE. >> MARK, DID YOU. OKAY. ADAM.

>> I THINK, TO ECHO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HANDLING THE DRAINAGE ISSUES. I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS MUCH AS I AM ENTRY AND EXIT. ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT WESTBOUND TURNING INTO ANOTHER CURB ON 116TH STREET TURNING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE, THERE'S A LOT OF STRANGE THINGS GOING ON WITH THAT MEDIAN. IS THERE ANY CONCERN. ONLY ONE WAY EASTBOUND ENTRY.

>> THERE'S NOT BEEN ONE COMMENT FROM ANYBODY AND I WOULD PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYBODY WOULD HAVE ANTICIPATED BECAUSE AGAIN, THE THOROUGHNESS OF FIRE, I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED IF THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN FROM THEM THEY WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP.

BUT NOT ONCE HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT, TALKED ABOUT A SECOND CUT

OFF OF 116TH STREET. >> JEFF, DID YOU?

>> YOU TALK ABOUT THE STREET BEING BUILT TO I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. CITY STANDARDS IS I THINK WHAT I

HEARD. IS THAT A YES? >> I'M TALKING, WELL. I GUESS, I BELIEVE WE ARE. YEAH. WE'RE BUILDING IT STILL TO THE CITY STANDARDS. BUT THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE ORIGINALLY HAD OUR ORIGINAL SUBMISSION DID NOT HAVE A FULL 20-FOOT WIDE DRIVE. WE WERE TRYING TO AGAIN RETAIN THAT LOOK OF THE TREES ON BOTH SIDES. I TALKED TO FIRE, IT'S KIND OF A NONNEGOTIABLE THING. SO WE JUST SAID OKAY FINE. WE'LL EXTEND THAT A LITTLE BIT LARGER. BUT

YEAH. >> IS IT SAFE TO SAY IT WAS

NARROWER BEFORE. >> IT WAS GOING TO STAY 16 FEET.

>> 16, OKAY. >> BUT FIRE WAS NOT.

>> SO 20-FOOT IS KIND OF THEIR FLOOR MINIMUM. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, WHEN I TALK ABOUT IT BEING BUILT TO CITY STANDARDS. I GET THAT YOU'RE WISHING FOR IT TO BE PRIVATE. IT REQUIRES APPROVAL BY THIS BODY TO DO THAT. I AM SURE THAT IT'LL BE COVERED BY THE PLAT. IF ANYBODY EVER COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY WE CAN'T AFFORD THIS ANYMORE, WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S BEEN BUILT, A WIDTH THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. A THICKNESS THAT'S GOOD SO IT LASTS FOR A LONG

TIME. >> YES, WE ARE, CORRECT.

>> OKAY. >> JEFF, IF I MAY PROVIDE SOME COMMENTARY ON THAT. SO IT'S NOT A PRIVATE STREET. SO IT'S NOT BUILT TO OUR 50 FEET RIGHT OF WAY REQUIREMENT BUT IT'S MORE OF AN ACCESS DRIVE. SO IT WOULD BE PLOTTED IN COMMON AREA. BUT IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED BUILT TO CITY STANDARDS. IT IS BUILT TO CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT WIDTH FOR ACCESS.

>> I GET IT ON THE WIDTH. I'M JUST THINKING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT SO THIN THAT IT FALLS APART YEAR ONE. IS ALL

I'M ASKING. >> THERE'S A SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE THAT'S A THREE LOT WITH THE SAME COMMON ACCESS DRIVE. SO THERE'S AN EXAMPLE NEAR BY.

>> THE OTHER THING THAT CAUGHT MILL EYE. -- MY EYE. NORMALLY WE TRY TO CONNECT UP, NEIGHBORHOOD, TO NEIGHBORHOOD, TO NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE CAN. THERE'S A SUB TO THE EAST. THAT DID COME UP WITH

THE COMMISSIONER. >> THAT STUB STREET WAS ACTUALLY NEVER CONSTRUCTED. I BELIEVE THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE OTHER SIDES OF IT ARE CURRENTLY USING IT AS A DRIVEWAY. FOR PRIVATE PURPOSES. WE DIDN'T THINK A PUBLIC CONNECTION THERE WAS POSSIBLE AND ALSO INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE HOME WITH THE

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>> OKAY. FROM A DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE RETENTION FACILITY IN THE NORTH END WILL HELP IMPROVE WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE TODAY. SOME DETENTION OVER NONE AT ALL CAN CERTAINLY BE A GOOD THING. EVEN WITH SOME ADDITIONAL HOMES. THERE'S NO CURB SO YOU WOULD HAVE A SWAIL WITH A

CONNECT. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE

PRIVATE ACCESS. >> ROLL CURB ON THE ONE SIDE. WE TALKED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT IT BEING A ROLL CURB AND THEY SAID THAT WOULD BE FINE. SO YES THERE WILL BE SOME ROLL CURB

THERE. >> OKAY. I THINK I SHARE ADAMS OPINIONS. JUST MAKING SURE WE HAVE SAFE INGRESS AND DEGRESS.

I'M SURE ENGINEERING WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CASE. BECAUSE SAFE IS ALWAYS TOP OF MIND. THE OTHER COMMENT REFERRING TO FEED BACK, I GET THAT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S THERE TODAY. HOWEVER, PROBABLY COULD BE EVEN BE MORE INTENSE. SO I SEE THAT AS A BENEFIT. A BENEFIT TO DOING THE ALTERNATIVE HIGHER DENSITY PROJECT THAT IS. THE THE STREET HAS SOME TYPE OF HAMMER HEAD TURN AROUND IF YOU WILL. FIRE

WAS OKAY WITH THAT. >> INITIALLY THEY WEREN'T. WE TALKED TO FIRE ABOUT IT. WE DID A COUPLE OF ITERATIONS. WE GOT IT TO WHERE THEY LIKE IT. I BELIEVE THAT COMMENT HAS BEEN RESOLVED AND THEY WERE HAPPY. THEY SPECIFIED WHAT THEY WANTED SO WE JUST FOLLOWED THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

>> OKAY. THANKS. >> THANKS, JEFF.

>> DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE MOST CURRENT TREE PRESERVATION PLAN THAT WAS JUST UPDATED TO SHOW WHAT'S BEING PRESERVED?

>> IT'S A MASSIVE AREA. ESSENTIALLY IT'S.

>> DO YOU HAVE ONE THAT YOU CAN JUST PUT UP ON THE SCREEN.

>> LET ME SEE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR SEARCHING.

>> YOU CAN SEE THIS LINE RIGHT HERE, KIND OF GOES FOLLOWS THIS ALL THE WAY DOWN. AND EVERYTHING IN HERE THERE'S A LITTLE NOTE HERE THAT SAYS EVERYTHING INSIDE OF THAT IS GOING TO BE TREE

PRESERVATION. >> THAT'S THE NEW ADJUSTED.

>> MOVED IT 100 FEET. I BELIEVE THAT'S. THE SOUTHERN ONE.

>> SO IT'S WHICH ONE. >> THE SOUTHERN ONE IS HERE. YOU CAN SEE THAT DOWN HEREMENT -- HERE. YOU FOLLOW IT DOWN HERE.

SO IT FOLLOWS THIS FLOOD WAY. >> HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DELINEATE THAT AS A TREE PRESERVATION AREA. WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM BEING ON PRESERVATION, HOMEOWNERS START THINKING THAT THAT'S FOR THEM TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT AND THEY CUT DOWN TREES. THEY PUT STRUCTURES IN IT. THEY START ENCROACHING INTO WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TREE PRESERVATION AREA. WHAT WILL YOU DO TO ENSURE THIS REALLY DOES STAY A TREE PRESERVATION AREA. SUGGESTIONS ARE PUTTING UP SIGNS, HOA, BUT

WHAT IS? DO YOU HAVE A PLAN? >> THE PLAN IS REALLY THE SAME THING WE DID AT ASHERWOOD. WHERE ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE A TREE PRESERVATION LINE. I WILL TALK ABOUT THE NORTH SIDE AND SOME OF THE OTHER ESTATE LOTS THERE. WE COMMUNICATE WITH. AGAIN, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN ASHERWOOD BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BUILDING EVERY HOUSE IN ASHERWOOD. BUT HERE, WE'RE BUILDING EVERY HOME SO WE HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER THE BUILD, AND THE CLIENT AND BEING CLEAR AND INFORMING THEM WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO IN A TREE PRESERVATION AREA. SO IT'LL BE ON THE PLAT. IT'LL BE ON THE SECONDARY PLAT. IT'LL BE REFERENCED IN COVENANCE AGREEMENT. THERE'S GOING TO BE A DOZEN TIMES THAT IT'S BEEN REINFORCED THAT'S A TREE PRESERVATION AREA. I THINK OUR TEAM DOES A GOOD JOB OF DESCRIBING WHAT CAN AND CANNOT HAPPEN IN THOSE AREAS. CLEARLY YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S ROGUE AND THAT'S GOES AND DOES SOMETHING. BUT WE DO EVERYTHING

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>> SO AFTER THE HOUSES ARE BUILT. WILL THE HOA HAVE ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE SURE IF SOMEBODY PUTS A SWING SET IN THE TREE PRESERVATION AREA, THEY CAN.

>> YES. >> I DON'T KNOW FROM A CITY STANDPOINT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE LEARNED ALONG THE WAY IF ANYTHING HAS WORKED. I KNOW IN JACKSON THEY PUT SIGNS

AROUND. THAT DIDN'T WORK. >> JACKSON GRANTS IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. WITH THREE OR FOUR LOTS, WE'RE GOING TO REALLY BE ABLE TO INFORM THESE HOMEOWNERS OF WHAT THEY'VE GOT. AND AGAIN, BY WAY OF PLOT PLANS AND COVENANCE. THERE WILL WILL BE ENFORCEMENT FOR THE HOA TO MAINTAIN CONTROL OVER ANY TYPE OF VIOLATIONS RELATED TO THAT. AND AGAIN, IF OTHER PEOPLE WERE BUILDING THIS, IT, WE HAVE LESS CONTROL FROM GRADISON'S STAND STANDPOINT. WE HAVE EVERY CLIENT. WE TALK ABOUT EVERY CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PLOT. NOBODY IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING THAN LEAVE THAT STUFF

ALONE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS THEY BROUGHT UP THE ANIMALS. I NOTICED THAT ON I BELIEVE THE MAN ON FARM SIDE THERE'S A BARB WIRE FENCE.

DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THEIR SIDE OR YOUR SIDE. BUT IF IT IS ON YOUR SIDE I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO REMOVE THAT BARB WIRE FENCE.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S ON OUR SIDE. IF IT IS, YEAH. I DON'T WANT A BARB WIRE. THAT'S A LITTLE MUCH. I AGREE.

>> JOHN JONATHAN, YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

>> TONIGHT WE HEARD THERE MAY BE AN HOA, THERE MAY NOT BE AN HOA.

I GUESS FOR CLARIFICATION, NOT ONLY FOR THE PUBLIC BUT FOR US

THE COUNCIL. >> WE DO AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNERS RATHER THAN BEING SUPER RESTRICTIVE LIKE A FULL BLOWN HOA. HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE WILL HAVE AN HOA.

WE'LL DO COVENANCE. THEY WON'T BE LIKE A JACKSON COVENANCE. THE PURPOSE WILL BE TO MAINTAIN VIOLATIONS, CONTROL, WE ALSO DO LANDSCAPE AND WE HAVE ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL OF WHAT GETS SENT IN. WHAT GETS APPROVED. WE'RE HAPPY TO COMMIT

TO THAT. >> SUE.

>> YEAH. ONE OF THE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT HAD A GOOD QUESTION ON CONSTRUCTION TIMES. THAT'S IMPORTANT. BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THESE PEOPLE. SO WHAT CAN YOU COMMIT TO?

>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL. WE DON'T HAVE A BUYER FOR ANY OF THESE LOTS YET BECAUSE WE AREN'T THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BY THE TIME WE, FINISH THIS PRIMARY PLAT PROCESS. GO TO SECONDARY PLAT. LET'S SAY THAT'S ANOTHER, FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS BY THE TIME WE GET THROUGH CONSTRUCTION DOCKS. THEN WE MARK THE LOTS, THEN WE SELL THE LOT AND THEN WE START MEETING WITH THE CLIENT WHO MAY BUILD RIGHT AWAY OR WAIT TO BUILD. I HAVE NO WAY TO KNOW THAT. BUT WE MAY HAVE IT ON THE DAY THE PLAT IS

APPROVED. >> MAYBE I ASKED WRONG. IS THERE NOBODY GOING TO BE THERE BETWEEN 7:00 AND 8:00.

>> YOU MEAN HOME BUILDING. >> DOES THE CITY HAVE THAT IN

THE CODE. >> THERE'S AN ORDNANCE THAT SPEAKS TO THOSE TIMES. I MEAN WE BUILD HOMES ALL OVER CARMEL. WE FOLLOW ALL THOSE ORDNANCES AND CODES. AGAIN THOUGH, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN WE'RE GOING START THINGS BECAUSE.

>> AND I'M SORRY, THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR TO PEOPLE THAT THERE ARE SOME TIMES YOU HAVE TO, WORK WITH BY THE CITY BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.

>> SURE. >> CAN YOU CHOKE HOLD AT THE BO LOT , I CANNOT SEE IT WITHOUT MY GLASSES ON IT IS A HIGHER SPOT DOWN THERE AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCS, WE ARE

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ANSWER AT THE EARLY STAGE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT, I WILL TALK TO YOU GUYS DIRECTLY, IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY IF SOMEONE SELLS THE LAND AND DUES WHAT THEY ARE DOING, THE ISSUE BECOMES, HOW DO WE AS PLAN COMMISSION, ASKING US SPECIFIC THINGS TO DO TONIGHT ? THE THING I WANT YOU TO BOW TOO AS WELL, WE JUST HAD A PROJECT COME THROUGH PLAN COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, IT WAS DOUBLE THE ACREAGE JUST ABOUT, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THERE ARE 50 HOMES ON IT. WHEN I LOOK AT IT PROJECT LIKE THIS, I'M TELLING YOU MY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I LOOK AT A PROJECT LIKE THIS AND I SEE SEVEN ACRES, I'M GLAD TO SEE NOT 40 HOUSES, 20 HOUSES, I'M GLAD TO SEE FOUR. NO MORE THAN THAT. IT IS A BALANCE BETWEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THE LAND, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW DICTATED BY OUR CITY CODE. AND ALSO TRYING TO REALIZE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, PEOPLE CAN SELL THEIR PROPERTIES AND DEVELOPERS CAN BUY IT. WE HAVE TO TRY TO DO OUR VERY BEST TO MAKE SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT THING IN THIS SITUATION. I WANT YOU TO BE CLEAR, THE LAST PROJECT WE SAW, W ACREAGE, 50 HOMES, THAT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A SCARE TACTIC, THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN CARMEL. I JUST

WANTED TO -- >> I WANTED TO SAY REAL QUICK, I THINK THAT THIS PROPERTY UNDER THE R-1 COULD HAVE 20 HOMES BUT THE FLOODWAY WOULD NOT LET THAT HAPPEN, WE COULD NOT DO THAT.

YOU ARE CERTAINLY RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, TO YOUR POINT, YOU ARE COMPLYING WITH ASSISTING ZONING, THE 50 HOME CAME THROUGH AS A REZONE THEY DID NOT WANT TO COMPLY BUT IN THIS CASE YOU ARE COMPLYING WITH ASSISTING ZONING , THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. I DO KNOW IF THIS HELPS THE NEIGHBORS, WELL-RESPECTED, DOES GREAT BEAUTIFUL CUSTOM HOMES SO I WOULD IMAGINE THESE FOUR HOMES WOULD BE REALLY EXCEPTIONAL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM

PLAN COMMISSION MEMBERS? >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, DITTO.

YOU ARE THE OWNER OF THE LAND AND TO COME IN AND ASK TO HAVE THE PROPERTY PLOTTED TO FOUR DIVISIONS AS OPPOSED TO COMING IN WITH A MULTIUNIT DEVELOPMENT , I THINK IS REFRESHING TO SEE

AND I APPRECIATE THAT. >> DO I HAVE A MOTION?

>> HOLD ON, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED RIGHT NOW. JEFF, YOU

HAVE A QUESTION ? >> I HAVE A, AN ECHO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER ADAIR SAID, I THINK NOT A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING BUT A FEW ELEMENTS BEFORE US THAT HAVE CAUSED QUESTIONS TO BE OUT THERE AND OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER THEM , COULD HAVE BEEN THERE TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE MEETING. I GUESS THAT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO STILL DO THAT, TO CONTINUE TO EXPLAIN TO FOLKS WHO COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION WE SEND THIS TO THE COMMITTEE SO THAT WE CAN GET A FEW THINGS IRONED OUT LIKE THAT, DO WE GET FEEDBACK, CONTINUED FEEDBACK, WHETHER CONTINUED DISCUSSION ABOUT DRAINAGE ACCESS, HOA WITH THE COMMITTEE HAVING THE FINAL

APPROVAL . >> THANK YOU . TO ADD ON TO THAT , TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, AS THE PLAN COMMISSION, WE EXPECT THAT THE DEVELOPERS WILL MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS BEFORE THEY COME HERE WITH A PETITION, EVEN THOUGH IT IS MAYBE NOT WRITTEN IN STONE AND REQUIREMENT GENERAL EXPECTATION SO IF YOU COULD ORGANIZE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IS THAT YOUR MOTION, TO

SEND IT TO COMMITTEE ? >> WITH THE COMMITTEE HAVING APPROVAL AUTHORITY QUESTION MARK DO I HAVE A MOTION IN SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WITH FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY, PLEASE SAY

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I'M A AYE. AND HE OPPOSED ? >> AYE

>> HEARING NONE, THIS WILL GO TO COMMITTEE WHICH IS THE DATE, MARCH 4TH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP ON OUR AGENDA IS TWO

[Items H.5. & H.6.]

IT IS OWN PUD, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, 306 FILED BY PATRICK -- OF KILL ME HORN ON THE HAPLESS OF BUCKINGHAM PROPERTY LLC. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

>> RED IS ON . IT IS A NEW DEVICE . IT IS ON.

>> GOOD EVENING, FOR THE RECORD, WE REPRESENT THE PETITIONER HERE THIS EVENING OF BUCKINGHAM PROPERTIES LLC , NATHAN HARRISON AND JIM -- ATTORNEY WITH THE OFFICE. BY WAY OF GENERAL BACKGROUND, IN 2006, THE CARMEL CITY GROUND UNIT GOING ON 19 YEARS, PERMITTED MIXED-USE DEVELOP ON THE FORMER MOHAWK HILLS APARTMENT AND GOLF COURSE PROPERTY. IN 2018, BUCKINGHAM RETURNED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AND RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR GRAMERCY WEST WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION TODAY, SINGLE HOMES AND TOWNHOMES MADE BY DAVID WEEKLY HOMES, GRAMERCY WEST AREAS, ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT , UP IN THIS VICINITY. LAST YEAR, AFTER PLANNING CONSIDERATION, APPROVAL TO THE EXISTING PUD TO THE 2006 ORDINANCE AND THE PLAN SUBMITTED FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVAL OF FAMILY AND TOWNHOME LAYOUT REVIEWED AND APPROVED AS PART OF THE GRAMERCY EAST AMENDMENT. BUCKINGHAM HAS FILED THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR APPROXIMATELY 20 ACRES AND THAT 20 ACRES IS THE AREA OF YOUR HIGHLIGHTED AS WELL AS THAT AND THIS AREA FOR ADDITIONAL SPACE. 13 ACRES OF THAT IS OCCUPIED BY MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS, THE 13 ACRES IS LOCATED HERE . THERE IS A BALANCE OF SIX ACRES HERE ALONG 126TH STREET DEVELOPED WITH TOWNHOMES. THE TOWNHOMES WHICH ARE ILLUSTRATED IN ORANGE , WILL BE PLACED ON THE PLAN COMMISSION AGENDA IN THE FUTURE THAT AREA WE ARE ASKING FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL OF THAT SPACE TONIGHT, SHOWING YOU THE LAYOUT OF WHERE THE TOWNHOMES WILL BE LOCATED, THE ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENT OF THAT PLACED ON FUTURE AGENDA OF THE PLAN COMMISSION ONCE THE BUILDER IS SELECTED FOR THAT SPACE AND ARCHITECTURE PLANTS ARE PRESENTED. THAT SHOULD LIKELY HAPPEN IN THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. THE SUBJECT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AS I INDICATED IS 20 ACRES IN THE AREA, THIS EXHIBIT IS BEHIND TWO OF YOUR BROCHURES.

THE AMENDMENT APPROVED LAST YEAR WITH CONSIDERATION OF 33 ACRES, THE 33 ACRES, IF YOU FOLLOW MY PEN, I WILL OUTLINE IT, NORTH OF THAT SPACE, THIS IS DOWN HERE, THE CARMEL MARKETPLACE, ALSO REZONE FROM LAST YEAR. NORTH OF CARMEL MARKETPLACE WHERE THE 502 EVENT CENTER CURRENTLY SITS AS THE GRAMERCY AREA . THIS AREA HERE, WHICH IS SHADOWED IS THE OTHER PART OF THE 33 ACRES, 20 ACRES, THE BALANCE OF 13 LOCATED HERE . ON THE 13 ACRES YOU WILL SEE IN THE FUTURE , TWO AREAS OF TOWNHOMES AS WELL AS MIXED-USE BUILDING INCLUDING CONDOMINIUMS AND RETAIL SPACE ON THE GROUND FLOOR LEVEL. THIS EXHIBIT IS PAGE TWO BEHIND TAB THREE OF YOUR BROCHURES. IT SHOWS HIGHLIGHTED THE 20 ACRES , APPROXIMATELY 18 HERE AND TWO ADDITIONAL ACRES OF OPEN SPACE OVER HERE. THIS IS THAT AREA OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES THE MIXED-USE BUILDING, TOWNHOMES ALONG KINZER . THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN AND BUILDING DESIGN FOR GRAMERCY EAST WERE REVIEWED IN 2024 AT SEVERAL MEETINGS, SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WITH THE LATEST OF WHICH WAS IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR BEFORE WE BROUGHT THE REASON IN FRONT OF THE PLAN

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>> THE A.J. ELLIS COMPONENT OF THE REQUEST INCLUDES MULTIFAMILY BILLING ARCHITECTURE AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, AND SIGNAGE. THE BUILDINGS INCLUDE A COMBINATION OF MASONRY, FIBER CEMENT LIGHTING, PITCH DROVES. THIS IMAGE IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT BUILDINGS AS IT WOULD BE VIEWED ALONG KINZER AVENUE. KINZER AVENUE IN THE FOREGROUND WITH THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING ALONG THAT FRONTAGE OPPOSITE THE TOWNHOMES CONSTRUCTED BY DAVID WEEKLY. AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, ARCHITECTURE NEARLY IDENTICAL TO THE CHARACTER IMAGE AS PART OF THE PUD AMENDMENT LAST YEAR, BOTH REVIEWED BY THE COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHICH WAS CONDUCTED IN 2024. THIS PERSPECTIVE ALONG WITH ANOTHER DETAILED ELEVATION AND FLOOR PLANS ARE INCLUDED IN THE SUBMITTAL, TABS FOUR, FIVE, SIX INCLUDE ELEVATIONS AND FLOOR PLANS OF ALL THE BUILDINGS AND ALL THE BUILDINGS INCLUDING GARAGES AND CLUBHOUSE WILL HAVE COMPLEMENTARY DESIGN ELEMENTS AND DESIGN THEME THAT CARRIES ACROSS THIS PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. IN CONCLUSION, WE REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT AND WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO ADDRESS THE REQUEST REGARDING THE A.J. ELLIS REVIEW. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT CONCLUSION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, THIS MATTER WOULD BE FORWARDED TO THE COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION , FURTHER CONSIDERATION ON MARCH 4TH, WITH THAT I WILL CONCLUDE. WE WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE , NATHAN, WHO IS IN THE AUDIENCE, MIGHT ADDRESS THOSE AS WELL TO THE EXTENT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED RESPONSE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, JOHN. ANYBODY HERE WITH WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR OPPOSITION TO THIS DOCKET? TWO, THREE? NO, TWO. WHY DON'T YOU EACH COME UP, TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND AS YOU MIGHT'VE HEARD BEFORE, THE LIGHTS WILL BE YOUR TIMER, RICK WILL FUND THE TIMER AND THE YELLOW IS YOUR WARNING, WHEN IT TURNS RED, THAT IS WHEN TIME IS UP. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND STATE

WHERE YOU LOVE . >> MY NAME IS MICHAEL AND I LIVE IN GRAMERCY WEST. THAT WAS A GREAT DIAGRAM YOU HAD, CANNOT NARROW THAT, IS THAT POSSIBLE? AND GESSO THE COMMITTEE KNOWS, I

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ONE THING I STARTED TO NOTICE, THIS ROAD, KINZER , IS NOT MADE VERY WIDE. IF YOU ARE DRIVING ALONG ANY TRUCK, ONE HAS TO SLOW DOWN AND PULL INTO THE PARKING SPOTS TO LET YOU PASS. IT IS VERY TIGHT FOR TWO PEOPLE . IF THERE IS A GARBAGE TRUCK, YOU HAVE TO STOP TO LET THEM PASS. ONE THING I HAVE SEEN IS NORTH OF MEYER, THOSE TOWNHOMES ARE REALLY NICE, THEY HAVE WIDE SET ROADS WITH A MEDIAN. I HEARD EARLIER THERE WERE TALKING ABOUT OFFSETS, REDUCING IT POSSIBLY , JUST THINKING THIS ROAD WILL BECOME A MAIN THOROUGH WAY ONCE I FINISH EVERYTHING, WE REALLY NEED THE ABILITY TO EXPAND IN THE FUTURE OR CURRENTLY THESE ROADS BECAUSE A LOT OF TRAFFIC WILL GO THROUGH THEIR. PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. ALSO , THE APARTMENTS ARE OLDER, I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY STAY AROUND , IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD REDEVELOP THE WHOLE AREA ? I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.

IF THAT IS AN OPTION. MY MAIN THING IS THE ROAD, IT IS VERY TIGHT, NOT VERY SAFE. ONE HALF IS ALREADY DEVELOPED AND ONE HALF IS PRETTY EMPTY. IT FEELS UNSAFE. IF THE ROAD DEVELOPMENT EITHER NOW OR IN THE FUTURE COULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, A MEDIAN AND WIDENING IT. AS IT DEVELOPS, IT WILL BE AWESOME. BUT IT WILL BE VERY POPULATED, I WANT THAT TO

BE KNOWN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> DEAR CITY OF CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS JOHN WELTON AND I'M A RESIDENT IN THE GRAMERCY WEST NEIGHBORHOOD AND A PROUD CARMEL CITIZEN. BUCKINGHAM PROPERTIES HAS COME TO THIS COMMISSION LOOKING TO DEVELOP THE LAND THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS HEARING TODAY. HOWEVER, BUCKINGHAM HAS UNFINISHED BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED BEFORE THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD. BUCKINGHAM PROPERTIES PREVIOUSLY CAME TO THIS COMMISSION FOR THEIR BLESSING TO DEVELOP WHAT IS NOW THE GRAMERCY WEST NEIGHBORHOOD. I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO REPORT THAT BUCKINGHAM PROPERTIES HAS NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH ON THEIR PROMISE TO THIS COMMISSION, THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY , OR THE CITY ITSELF. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO VISIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DURING THE DAY AND AT NIGHT. . IF YOU VISIT AT NIGHT, YOU WILL NOTICE ONCE INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE MAJORITY OF THE STREETLIGHTS DON'T WORK . YOU MIGHT ASK FOR HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN? IT HAS BEEN OVER A YEAR . MEMBERS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE SCARED TO GO OUTSIDE AT NIGHT BECAUSE OF A PERCEIVED DANGER OF INCREASED CRIME AND ACCIDENTS THAT COULD OCCUR. IF YOU VISIT DURING THE DAY AND GO INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU WILL NOTICE PUBLIC GRASS AREAS THAT LOOK LIKE AN ABANDONED FIELD . IF YOU EXAMINE THE PLANTED TREES, YOU MIGHT THINK THAT A FEW TREES HAVE DIED . IT MIGHT SURPRISE YOU TO KNOW THEY WERE DEAD WHEN THEY WERE PLANTED. TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE CONCRETE CURBS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU WILL NOTICE CONSISTENT DETERIORATION , CRUMBLING, AND IN SOME CASES, THEY ARE COMPLETELY BROKEN. AFTER A GOOD RAINSTORM, TAKE A WALK DOWN THE EAST ALMOND AVENUE TRAIL INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD . YOU WILL NOTICE SEVERE FLOODING IN MULTIPLE PLACES. BUCKINGHAM CONTROLS THE HOA , NO HOMEOWNER HAS ANY SAY IN ANYTHING THAT TRANSPIRES. MY REQUEST IS THIS, A HALT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN QUESTION TODAY UNTIL THE WRONGS THAT BUCKINGHAM PROPERTIES HAS INFLICTD ON THE GRAMERCY WEST NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN RIGHTED. UNLESS THESE

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ONE

MORE, PLEASE COME ON UP. >> HELLO, I LIVE ON KINZER AVENUE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BIG OPEN LAND. I HAVE ONE SMALL REQUEST, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS NO KIDS AREA, KIDS GO OUTSIDE ON THE SIDEWALK AND PLAY . THAT IS ONE MAJOR CONCERN . ANOTHER THING IS THAT ENTIRE ROAD, KINZER AVENUE, THERE IS NO SPEEDBUMP . ALL OF THE CARS MOVE ALL DAY LONG AND KIDS ARE PLAYING ON THE SIDEWALK AND WE ARE CONCERNED THAT NOT ALL OF THE DRIVERS ARE FOLLOWING THE SPEED LIMITS AND EVERYTHING.

THERE HAS TO BE AT LEAST A FEW SPEED BUMPS AND IF THE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT COULD CONSIDER SOME KIDS PLAY AREA, RIGHT NOW THERE IS NONE. IT IS HUGE WITH A LOT OF TOWNHOMES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SEEING NOBODY ELSE, JOHN, WOULD YOU

LIKE TO RESPOND? >> REGARDING THE DESIGN OF KINZER , THAT WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED AS PART OF THE GRAMERCY WEST DEVELOPMENT AND IT IS GOOD TO HEAR IT IS WORKING AS IT WAS INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED. IT IS NOT A STRAIGHT THOROUGHFARE, IT WAS NARROWED INTENTIONALLY AND REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY ENGINEERING TO THROTTLE THE WIDTH TO MAKE IT REDUCED CROSS-SECTION WHERE PEDESTRIANS COULD CROSS AT INTERSECTIONS AND IT HAS ON STREET PARKING. THE ON STREET PARKING MAKES IT INTENTIONALLY UNCOMFORTABLE, THE CURBS MAKE IT INTENTIONALLY UNCOMFORTABLE, THE NARROW LANE WIDTH MAKES IT UNCOMFORTABLE TO DRIVE. WHY QUESTION MARK IT PREVENTS, THROUGH DESIGN, SPEEDING TO A ON THE ROADWAY, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC, TRASH TRUCK OR SOMETHING ELSE GOES BY YOU, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO STOP TO ALLOW THAT TRANSITION TO EXIST . THAT IS GOOD TO HEAR BECAUSE IT IS ALL INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED THAT WAY TO RESULT IN WHAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED TO YOU SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE TRAFFIC IS TAKING OVER THE SPACE, IT IS INTENDED FOR THE PEDESTRIAN TO FEEL COMFORTABLE ON THE SIDEWALK WITH TRAFFIC NOT SPEEDING . ONE THING WE ARE NOT ABLE TO DO HIS OWN FREE WILL OF PEOPLE SO YOU CAN STILL COME IF YOU DESIRE TO, PUSH DOWN THE PETAL -- KETTLE AND GO FASTER THAN YOU SHOULD ON THAT SEGMENT OF ROADWAY IN REGARD TO THE COMMENTS REGARDING BUCKINGHAM AND GRAMERCY WEST, I WOULD ASK THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SPOKE TO COULD PROVIDE IN WRITING OR REPORT THAT THEY MADE TO STAFF, WE WILL WORK WITH BUCKINGHAM AND STAFF TO DETERMINE WHAT DEFICIENCIES EXIST, IF ANY, ON THE GRAMERCY WEST PARCEL AND REPORT TO THE PLAN COMMISSION AT YOUR COMMITTEE MEETING OR SUBSEQUENT MEETING OF THE PLAN COMMISSION IN MARCH TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE RESULTS OF THAT REVIEWED BY STAFF ARE AND WHAT MITIGATION EFFORTS WILL BE MADE BY BUCKINGHAM TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS AFTER THE REVIEW BY STAFF. THEY WERE NOT MADE AWARE TO US BEFORE TONIGHT'S MEETING , OR I BELIEVE THE BUCKINGHAM BY THE CITY. HAVE ALL THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE SAME PLACE AND COME OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION WITH REPORT TO THE PLAN COMMISSION TO LET YOU KNOW HOW IT WILL BE RESOLVED TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT BUCKINGHAM IS MEETING ALL OF ITS OBLIGATIONS WITH REGARD TO GRAMERCY WEST. FINALLY, WITH REGARD TO THE ABUTMENT AREA FOR KIDS AND KIDS SPACE, THERE ARE AMENITIES WITHIN THE SUBJECT AREA OVER HERE AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS WITHIN GRAMERCY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THIS PARK AREA OVER HERE ON THE WEST PERIMETER IS ALONG THE ALMOND EDITION , THIS IS ABOUT 2 1/2 ACRES OF ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE BEING DEVELOPED AND DESIGNED WHICH ISN'T PROGRAMMED CONNECTIVITY BROUGHT TO IT AND A A LARGER OPEN PLAY AREA FOR USE AND ENJOYMENT WHILE THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE THINGS OF PREMIER IMPORTANCE WITH THE DESIGN IN GRAMERCY WEST, NOT THAT THAT IS NECESSARILY RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION ON THIS SIDE WAS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET ON THE SIDEWALK AND PROVIDE CONNECTIONS TO THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE. THERE IS A LONG LINEAR PARK THAT RUNS TO THE MIDDLE GRAMERCY WEST IN THIS LOCATION HERE. YOU CAN SEE NARROWER LANE WIDTH ON THESE

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WILL BE DONE. >> PHASE ONE OF THE GRAMERCY REDEVELOPMENT , THIS IS COMING BACK TO US AFTER MODIFICATIONS TO THE PUD WERE APPROVED LATE LAST YEAR BY CITY COUNCIL AND THAT WAS ALSO AFTER EXTENSIVE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS OVER THE -- BONDS REVIEW THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL, ALSO LAST YEAR. BEFORE US TONIGHT IS SECTIONS A THROUGH C OF THE 2024 PUD REVISION .

JUST TO REFRESH YOU, JOHN , IF YOU WANT TO PUT UP YOUR LOVELY SITE PLAN, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AREA A IS THE TOWNHOMES SECTION AT THE TOP ALONG 126TH STREET, THAT IS BEING PLANNED OUT NOW FOR ROADWAY UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND BUILDING PADS. AS JOHN SAID, WE WILL SEE THAT COME BACK TO US FOR ALDS DESIGN APPROVAL LATER WHEN THERE IS A SPECIFIC BUILDER IN MIND.

AREA B NOT TALKED ABOUT MUCH, THAT IS FOR EXISTING HOMES, APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE RENOVATED SO THAT IS WHAT AREA B IS AND AREA C IS THE SECTION WE ARE REVIEWING FOR ALDS TONIGHT , NINE NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED, THEY WILL BE THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT BETWEEN 40 TO 63 UNITS IN EACH BUILDING DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING. THERE WILL ALSO BE A NEW CLUBHOUSE CONSTRUCTED AS WELL AS GARAGE BUILDINGS. THE SITE PLAN MEETS PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITH 530 SPACES PROVIDED THROUGH SURFACE , ON STREET, AND GARAGE SPACES . I WILL ALSO REITERATE WHAT JOHN SAID ABOUT THE DESIGN OF KINZER AVENUE, IT WAS INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED NARROW AND TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC SO THERE IS LIKELY NOT GOING TO BE AN EXPANSION OF THAT ROAD, AT ALL, DURING THIS PROCESS. IT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY ON PURPOSE AND IT WILL LIKELY REMAIN THAT WAY. THERE ARE ALSO EXTENSIVE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY CONNECTING COMMON AREAS AND PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE BIKE LANE ALONG KINZER AVENUE ON THE WEST SIDE OF KINZER AND ALSO THERE IS LARGE SIDEWALK THAT JOHN MENTIONED ON THE WEST SIDE OF GRAMERCY WEST PROPERTY AND ANOTHER SIDEWALK ON THE FAR EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AREA IT IS THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY BUT THE EAST EDGE OF THIS PARCEL , SORRY. WE HAVE PLENTY OF SHORT-TERM PARKING SPACES, THE ONE THING TO WORK ON HIS LONG-TERM BIKE PARKING SPACES WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR EITHER INSIDE THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS OR COVERED SPACES THAT ARE EXTERIOR, SOMETIMES DONE THROUGH BIKE LOCKERS OR OTHER COVERED SPACES, COVERED STRUCTURES SO WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT. THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS REVIEWING THE PLANS AND THEY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF WORK TO DO FOR THE DRAINAGE DETAILS AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET TO DEVELOP THIS NEXT SECTION OF GRAMERCY. AS JOHN MENTIONED EARLIER, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS IS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION IS CLOSED AT 7:31 . I WILL OPEN THE COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. JESS DO YOU WANT TO START? I WILL GO DOWN THE ROW THIS TIME . NO? ADAM, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? JEFF? I

WILL COME BACK TO YOU. >> I APPRECIATE THE FEET BACK, WE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS, JOHN, YOUR ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND RACHEL AS WELL, WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE PART OF PRIOR SECTIONS AND DEVELOPMENT ARE IN GOOD SHAPE, STREETLIGHTS, LANDSCAPING, AND MORE BEFORE HEARING ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY AND BEYOND.

>> IF THAT GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE ON THOSE ISSUES WOULD STICK AROUND, I WILL GIVE HIM MY BUSINESS CARD SO THAT HE CAN SEND ME AN EMAIL AND I CAN PUT HIM IN TOUCH WITH THE FOLKS AT BUCKINGHAM TO THE EXTENT THEY NEED MORE FEEDBACK TO COORDINATE WITH STAFF, THEY CAN GET INVOLVED.

>> THANK YOU. >> MARK.

>> I HAD A QUESTION ON PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY ARE NOT

TWO ACRE PARCEL COMMON GROUND. >> I'M NOT ABLE TO ZOOM IN FROM THE DESK OR THE PODIUM, RATHER. THIS HAS GOTTEN AREA THAT WILL BE SIDEWALK ED ALL ALONG THE DRIVE, 126TH STREET DOWN, THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT FRONTS THESE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO THE NORTH AND TWO CONNECTIONS THAT EXIST HERE INTO THE SPACE. TWO CONNECTIONS THAT EXIST INTO THE SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF THESE TWO MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS, AND A THIRD CROSS CONNECTION. IT CREATES A LOOP, ENGAGING SITUATION WORSENED THAT HE COULD MAKE THAT LOOP AND CONNECT TO THE OTHER AREAS OF THE

COMMUNITY. >> GREAT, THANKS. I DID NOT SEE

THAT. >> COUNCILMEMBER MINNAAR .

>> I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE JESS COMMENTS, I'M GRATEFUL YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH BUCKINGHAM , CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON YOU . THE COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS THE BIKE GARAGE IS, IS THERE SOME REASON THAT IS NOT PART OF THE PROJECT ?

>> THEY ARE WORKING TO IDENTIFY WHERE IN THE BUILDINGS THEY WILL BE LOCATED. THERE WAS A PLAN TO LOCATE THEM IN THE BUILDINGS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD CONCERN ABOUT THE POSITIONING OF THOSE AND STAIRWELLS NOT THAT OF LOCKE'S STAIRS BUT IT IS A LONG DISCUSSION, THAT WILL NOT LOCATE THEM THEY ARE BECAUSE THERE IS OPPOSITION BY FIRE. THERE IS AN OPTION TO TAKE A COUPLE OF THE GARAGE AREAS WITHIN BUILDINGS AND CONVERT THAT TO A LOCKER TO ACCOMMODATE BIKES AS WELL AS A COUPLE METHODS THAT STAFF INDICATED, BUCKINGHAM WILL MEET WITH STAFF BEFORE THE MARCH COMMITTEE MEETING COMING UP WITH A RESOLUTION TO THAT AND PRESENT

IT AT THE MARCH 3RD MEETING. >> DUBBIE , ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF SPEED BUMPS, COULD YOU ADDRESS WHAT IS ALLOWED AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED?

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>> I KNOW THAT THERE IS A SPEED TABLE AT THE INTERSECTION OF 126TH STREET, I THINK SOME OF THOSE CROSSWALKS ARE ELEVATED. I CAN'T RECALL, I THINK THAT PERHAPS AT THIS LOCATION, THERE MIGHT BE AN ELEVATED CROSSWALK AT THAT LOCATION. WE WILL CIRCLE BACK WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE OTHER METHODS THEY FEEL ARE NECESSARY TO EMPLOY ALONG KINZER TO ACCOMMODATE TRAFFIC COMING .

>> IF I COULD ALSO ADD TO THAT, TYPICALLY WE DON'T LIKE SPEED BUMPS , SPECIFICALLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT LIKE DRIVING OVER THEM WHATSOEVER. THAT IS WHY WE INITIATED A LOT OF THE SPEED TABLES, WHICH YOU SEE MOSTLY AT ROUNDABOUTS AND INTERSECTIONS WHERE YOU GO UP AND OVER SLOWLY AND THERE WAS A WHOLE DISCUSSION AND COUNCIL ABOUT SPEED AND ROUNDABOUTS, IT HAS TO DO WITH SPEED TABLES AND WANTING PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN . IF ANYTHING, IT COULD POSSIBLY BE AS THE TABLE ADDED BUT I DOUBT THAT WE WOULD HAVE ANY KIND OF SPEED BUMPS.

>> SUE , ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING, MAYBE AT COMMITTEE, IF YOU COULD MAYBE GIVE WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF ACREAGE OF GREEN SPACE IS NOW TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH IS THERE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT INVESTMENT THAT LIVE THERE TODAY, RIGHT NOW WHERE MOST OF THE NEW APARTMENTS ARE, IT IS JUST GRASS SO IT WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU ARE PRESERVING A LOT OF GREEN SPACE BUT I DON'T HAVE A SENSE BY LOOKING AT THIS, HOW MUCH IS THAT, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW.

>> IT IS IDENTIFIED WITH THE SUBMITTAL, I DON'T HAVE IT COMMITTED TO MEMORY. IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE PDF, IT IS UNDER F-5 IS THE SITE PLAN, I WILL TALK ABOUT GREEN SPACE PERCENTAGES AND THE AREA AND WE WILL DO A BLOW UP OF THAT.

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH LOOKING AT THAT AND LOOKING AT YOUR TREE PLANTINGS , IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE SHOWING TREE-LINED STREETS, UNTIL I SEE IT, ACTUALLY THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, IT IS HARD TO TELL. LOOKING AT THE GREEN SPACE, THIS WILL BE A VISUAL CHANGE FOR THE RESIDENTS CURRENTLY LIVING IN GRAMERCY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO ON? YES, JEFF .

>> ANY, ON SECTION B IN TERMS OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLANS ? I KNOW IT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT .

>> COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE LOCATION? AMONG THE

KINZER FRONTAGE HERE? >> THE EXISTING BUILDINGS NOT AFFECTED TO THIS POINT, THE CENTER OF A.

>> B IS THE FIVE STRUCTURES. >> NATHAN HARRIS, BUCKINGHAM COMPANIES, THOSE HOLDINGS WILL BE VACATED AS PART OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE GRAMERCY DEVELOPMENT , STORM, UTILITY, ELECTRIC, WATER , ALL OF THAT WILL BE REPLACED SO THOSE BUILDINGS WILL BE VACATED.

THE INTERIOR UNITS WILL BE RENOVATED . WE ARE PROPOSING EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS AS WELL, WE DON'T QUITE HAVE THOSE PROGRAMMED YET SO WE HAVE NOT PRESENTED THAT TO STAFF. THE GOAL IS TO CREATE A COHESIVE COMMUNITY . THOSE BUILDINGS AT THE END OF THE DAY WILL LOOK AND FEEL HOPEFULLY VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING WITH THESE NEW BUILDINGS. AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BE INCORPORATED COHESIVELY. THAT IS THE GOAL .

>> YUP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? SPEED I MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS ITEM TO THE PLAN COMMISSION FULL COMMITTEE OR PLAN COMMISSION WITH THE READY TO SEND THIS ITEM BACK TO FULL COMMISSION FOR ACTION .

>> SECOND. SPEED ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SENDING IT TO COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION RETURNED TO FULL PLAN COMMISSION FOR VOTE, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE DONE. WE WILL SEE YOU AT COMMITTEE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.