Mar 18, 2025 Carmel Plan Commission

[A. Call Meeting to Order]

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>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE MARCH 18, 2025 MEETING OF THE CARMEL PLANNING COMMISSION. WILL YOU PLEASE RISE FOR THE

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MISTER

[C. Roll Call]

>> ADAM CAMPAGNA? JEFF HILL? JESS LAWHEAD? SHANNON MINNAAR?

>> PRESENT ONLINE. >> JONATHAN BLAKE? PRESENT. SUE WESTERMEIER? PRESENT. CHRISTINE ZOCCOLA? PRESENT. DUBBIE

[D. Declaration of Quorum]

[E. Approval of Minutes]

BUCKLER? MARK ADAIR? >> PRESENT.

>> NEXT ON THE AGENDA'S APPROVAL OF MINUTES. DO I HAVE PERMISSION TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARY 18 MEETING MINUTES?

>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE?

[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report]

>> GOOD EVENING. THERE IS ONE REQUEST FROM LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS THE ADOPTION OF FINDINGS OF FACTS FOR DOCKET NUMBER PZ22024-00237. A PRIMARY PLAT, AND EZ2024-00238 IS A VARIANCE REQUEST AND 00239 IS A DEVELOPMENT WAIVER FILED AND PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION FOR A COMMITTEE MEETING FOR SWEETLY 4 SUBDIVISION.

>> THIS WAS APPROVED AT THE COMMITTEE BUT WE WILL VOTE THIS EVENING TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS OF FACTS FOR THESE THREE DOCKETS. THE PRIMARY PLAT, THE VARIANCE WHICH WAS A SETBACK AND STANDARD WAIVERS WHICH WAS ACCESS TO A PUBLIC STREET WAIVER . SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE FINDINGS OF FACT?

>> I MOVED TO ADOPT THE FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR ARE APPROVING THE FINDINGS OF FACT PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED?

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]

>> THANK YOU, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE ARE MOVING ON TO REPORTS ANNOUNCEMENTS AND DEPARTMENT CONCERNS. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO

STAFF. >> AT THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING THAT THE SUBDIVISION WAS APPROVED, THERE IS A NEVER -- ANOTHER ITEM TABLED FOR THE GRAMERCY PROJECT TABLED TO THE APRIL 1 COMMITTEE MEETING AND THIS EVENING WE DO HAVE ONE ITEM THAT WAS TABLED AND IT IS ITEMS TWO AND THREE. THIS WAS A VARIANCE IN A MINOR SUBDIVISION THAT WILL BE HEARD APRIL 15.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT AND WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING. THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR OUR PLANNING COMMISSION DOCKETS ARE THAT THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT AND THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE UP TO 20 MINUTES TO COMMENT.

AFTER THAT THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A REBUTTAL AND WE WILL MOVE TO THE DEPARTMENT STAFF REPORT. UPON CONCLUSION OF THE DEPARTMENT STAFF REPORT THE PUBLIC HEARING

[H.1. Docket No. PZ-2024-00222 PUD: US 421-WCD PUD Rezone. ]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM A LAND-USE PROFESSIONAL WITH THE LAW FIRM OF ALLISON FRANKENBERGER. WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT PRESENT TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT IS NATHAN ANDERSON , AND OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

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THE SUBJECT REAL ESTATE IS IDENTIFIED ON THE PHOTO NOW ON DISPLAY AND INCLUDED IN YOUR BROCHURES, AS WELL AND INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 22 ACRES AND IS LOCATED WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO MICHIGAN ROAD AND NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO 99 STREET ALONG THE NORTH PERIMETER IS THE TERMINUS OF OUTBACK LANE. THE REAL ESTATE IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO 96TH ST. AND I- FOR 65 RETAIL AND IS SURROUNDED BY RETAIL COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES. IT IS THE FORMER NOW VACANT HEADQUARTERS OF RESORT CONDOMINIUMS INTERNATIONAL AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED I-1 INDUSTRIAL AND WITHIN THE US - 421 421 MICHIGAN RD. OVERLAY.

OTHER AREAS OF CARMEL INCLUDES A MIXTURE OF USES BUT NO OTHER MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT EXIST WITHIN THIS AREA OF CARMEL SOUTH OF 106TH OF CARMEL SOUTH OF 106TH ST. THE EXHIBIT NOW ON DISPLAY IS A COLOR CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY AND IS ALSO INCLUDED BEHIND TAB NUMBER THREE OF YOUR BROCHURES. THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE REAL ESTATE WOULD BE IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THIS PLAN THAT IS ON DISPLAY CURRENTLY. EDWARD ROSE'S SITE DESIGN INCLUDES THE POSITIONING OF PARKING AREAS SO THAT THEY ARE SHIELDED FROM VIEW FROM ADJACENT ROADWAYS, A TOTAL OF SEVEN BUILDINGS FACE INTERNAL FRONTAGES AND PEDESTRIAN SYSTEMS ARE PROVIDED THAT ARE DESIGNED TO FACILITATE SAFE CIRCULATION. THERE ARE THREE CENTRALLY LOCATED FOUR - STORY BUILDINGS AND FOUR 43 - STORY BUILDINGS ON THE WEST PERIMETER OF THE REAL ESTATE. ADDITIONAL THOUGHTFUL OPEN SPACE AND COMMON AREAS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY INCLUDING A WELL-DESIGNED AND CENTRALLY LOCATED WATER FEATURE, 2:PARTS, A TREE PRESERVATION AREA AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. ACCESS TO REAL ESTATE WILL BE PROVIDED AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS INCLUDING CONNECTIVITY AT OUTBACK LANE WITH 421 , INTERSECTION 421 CUT ON TO MICHIGAN ROAD, AS WELL. AS NOTED BY STAFF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE REQUEST INDICATES THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE SURROUNDING STREET NETWORK AND HAS AN A.M. AND P.M. PEAK HOUR OF TRAFFIC WHICH IS LESS THAN THE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE CURRENT USE ON THIS SITE. ALL THESE ATTRIBUTES COMBINED WILL PROVIDE A STRONG SENSE OF PLACE AND AN OUTSTANDING LIVING EXPERIENCE FOR RESIDENTS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC. ONE ADDITIONAL EXHIBIT WE JUST RECEIVED THIS AFTERNOON HELPS BRING SOME LIFE TO THIS FLAT SITE PLAN AND IT IS AN EXHIBIT THAT ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS REACHED OUT AND MENTIONED TO US WOULD BE HELPFUL. I'M GOING TO PUT IT UP ON DISPLAY AND EXPLAIN WHERE WE ARE LOOKING FROM. IF YOU ARE TO STAND HERE BETWEEN THESE TWO BUILDINGS AND LOOK DO WEST, THE IMAGE WE ARE GOING TO SHOW IS THE IMAGE OF THE CHARACTER THAT'S GOING TO BE ESTABLISHED WITHIN THIS SPACE.

IF WE COULD ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT. IF I WERE STANDING LOOKING WEST WE HAVE BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE OF BOULEVARD STREET WITH ON STREET PARKING AND SIDEWALKS AND LANDSCAPING AND THEN IN THE BACKGROUND THE IMAGE HERE IS OF THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING WHICH INCLUDES THE CLUBHOUSE AND STAIR STEPPED PLATFORM OUTDOOR ACTIVITY SPACES THAT I WILL DESCRIBE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL MOMENTARILY BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS EXHIBIT TO HELP BRING EVERYBODY INTO THE SITE AND CREATE A BETTER IDEA OF THE SPACE BEING CREATED INTERNAL TO THE AREA , THEN WE CAN ACHIEVE THROUGH JUST A SITE PLAN ITSELF. THE ILLUSTRATION HERE IS ONE OF TWO INCLUDED BEHIND TABS SEVEN AND EIGHT RESPECTIVELY.

THIS IS ONE OF THE FOUR-STORY BUILDINGS, THE BUILDING WITH THE STAIR STEPPED OUTDOOR AMENITIES SPACE AND THAT WOULD BE A VIEW LOOKING SOUTH IF WE ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE POND. IF WE ARE IN THIS POSITION LOOKING SOUTH AT THIS BUILDING, THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED TO CREATE THAT VIEW AND YOU CAN SEE

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SHOWN HERE AND INCLUDED BEHIND TAB FIVE OF THE BROCHURE IS IMAGERY DEPICTING THE TYPES AND STYLES OF OUTDOOR SPACES BEING CREATED ON SITE. AND AGAIN IN AN EFFORT TO BRING LIFE TO THAT FLAT SITE PLAN, THIS REPRESENTS THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF OUTDOOR SPACES THAT ARE BEING CREATED SURROUNDING THE BUILDINGS. REGARDING OPEN SPACE, EDWARD ROSE HAS PAID PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THAT EXISTING WOODED AREA AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE AS WELL AS INTERNAL TO THE OPEN SPACE AREAS. OVERALL THE COMMUNITY HAS APPROXIMATELY 5 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE WHICH REPRESENTS OVER 20% OF REAL ESTATE. DRILLING DOWN WITH A LITTLE MORE DETAIL , THESE ARE THE OUTDOOR TERRACE SPACES THAT YOU SAW IN THE BUILDING RENDERING THAT WAS UP A MINUTE AGO. THE OUTDOOR AMENITY SPACE AND THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THAT EXISTS BETWEEN THOSE AREAS. THIS IS NOT A DRIVEWAY FOR CARS, IT IS ONLY A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WAY THAT CONNECTS BOTH SIDES OF THE LAKE. IT INCLUDES A CENTRALLY LOCATED CLUBHOUSE WHICH INCLUDES A POOL, SUNDECK, CABANA AND OTHER ROOFTOP ELEMENTS THAT I DESCRIBED. THERE IS A PRIVATE COAL WORKING OFFICE SPACE INCLUDING WORKSTATIONS AND CONFERENCES INTERIOR OF THIS BUILDING. AMENITIES INCLUDE A PERFORMANCE GYMNASIUM, FIRE PITS, FIRE TABLES WITH GRILLING STATIONS, EV CHARGING AS WELL AS OTHER ELEMENTS WITHIN GATHERING SPACES THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL. REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE OBJECTIVES AND PURPOSES OF THE SUBJECT GATEWAY AREA SO IF YOU LOOK WITHIN THE PLAN THIS IS IN AN AREA IDENTIFIED AS A GATEWAY SPACE THAT INCLUDES THE SPACE BOTH SIDES ON MICHIGAN ROAD UP TO 106 STREET ALL THE WAY OVER TO COMMERCE DRIVE FURTHEST TO THE EAST OF THE COUNTY LINE ON THE WEST. ANY OTHER AREAS-- MANY OTHER AREAS OF CARMEL INCLUDE MIXED USES LIKE RESIDENTIAL, LIGHT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ADJACENT TO ONE ANOTHER WHICH ADDS TO THE COMMUNITY VIBRANCY AND WALK ABILITY , FOR INSTANCE ALONG CARMEL DRIVE, THIRD AVENUE AND RANGELINE ROAD. AS NOTED BY STAFF THE PROPOSAL MEETS MANY OBJECTIVES OF THIS GATEWAY AREA AND PROVIDING MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO BUSINESSES AND SERVICES ALONG THE CORRIDOR. GATEWAY AREAS ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ENCOURAGE CHARACTERISTICS THAT INCLUDE PARKING LOT PLACEMENT AT THE REAR BUILDINGS, AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY FACILITIES DESIGNED TO PROVIDE SAFE PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION. ADDITIONALLY THE REAL ESTATE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE 421 MICHIGAN OVERLAY DISTRICT WHICH PERMITS MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND UP TO 50% OF THE PROJECT'S GROSS AREA. CONSISTENCY WITH EXISTING ZONING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORTS THE REQUEST THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING. FURTHER CONSIDERING THERE ARE NO OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, EDWARD ROSE BELIEVES THAT PROVIDING MORE FULL-TIME RESIDENTS IN THE AREA WILL PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL CUSTOMER BASE ALONG THIS SEGMENT OF MICHIGAN ROAD PROVIDING A BOOST TO BUSINESSES IN THE VICINITY AND ENHANCED AESTHETIC AS COMPARED TO INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS AND USES ON THE REAL ESTATE. IN CONCLUSION, OUR TEAM HELD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN JANUARY AND MADE A PRESENTATION AT THAT TIME TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. THERE WERE ABOUT A DOZEN PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED THAT MEETING. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING RESULTED IN A DECISION TO DELAY THE PUBLIC HEARING ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY IN ORDER TO EXPLORE THE TOPICS TO CALL TO EDWARD ROSE 'S ATTENTION BY THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS. EDWARD ROSE HAS ESTABLISHED COMMUNICATION AND A GOOD EXCHANGE OF IDEAS WITH SURROUNDING OWNERS. IN THIS REGARD WE INCLUDED BEHIND TAB 10 OF YOUR BROCHURES THE

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN. NOW IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. BY A SHOW OF HANDS IS THERE ANYONE HERE HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PETITION? JUST ONE? OKAY. PLEASE GO TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE OR WHERE YOUR BUSINESS IS , AND WE WILL DO FIVE MINUTES. IF YOU NEED LONGER THAT'S FINE AS WELL.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO BE THAT LONG, THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS. I AM MIKE AND I AM THE CEO OF ASIS SO FOR THE RECORD, WE ARE HEADQUARTERED ADJACENT TO THE RCI PROPERTY IN WEST CARMEL. THAT IS IN THE PROPOSAL THAT WE ARE ON THE SOUTH PERIMETER OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP. THIS IS OUR BUILDING RIGHT HERE. WE OWN THIS ADJOINING PARKING LOT . THANK YOU JOHN. I AM HERE THIS EVENING WITH SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES TO SHARE OUR SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. WE INITIALLY ENVISIONED THE PROPERTY WOULD BE INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL WHICH IS KIND OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN FOREVER AND EVER AND AFTER ATTENDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT JOHN REFERENCED ON JANUARY 2, WE REALIZED THE EDWARD ROSE PROJECT WAS SUPERIOR TO ANY INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL PROJECT WE WERE AWARE OF AND WE WERE AWARE OF A NUMBER OF PROPOSALS. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THEY ALL WENT BUT YOU CAN SEE, AND YOU SAW THE MAP AND THE RENDERINGS, VERY MUCH FEEL OF THE PROPERTY HERE, IT'S A PRETTY SERIOUS UPGRADE FOR OUR PIECE OF CARMEL. WE MET WITH STAFF ON JANUARY 7 AND HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND WANTED TO GET SOME PERSPECTIVES ON THE PROJECT. THEY WERE VERY RESPONSIVE AND PROVIDED A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK. WE'VE HAD AN OPEN DIALOGUE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS AROUND THE PROJECT. WE DEVELOPED A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR STAFF AND IT HAS BEEN VERY IMPRESSIVE. THEIR OUTREACH, INVOLVEMENT, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT IN RESPONSE . WE DO BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT FOR WEST CARMEL. WE ARE COMMITTED TO PRESERVING THIS PART OF THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE MADE THAT STATEMENT, WE HAD SOME PROJECTS WE WERE WORKING ON EARLIER IN THE YEAR AND I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE MAYOR. THE WEST PART OF MICHIGAN, THE WESTERN PART OF CARMEL ON MICHIGAN ROAD IS OBVIOUSLY AS YOU KNOW, IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT. WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT STEP. WE THINK IT DOESN'T JUST HELP WEST CARMEL, BUT THAT IT HELPS ALL OF CARMEL. HISTORICALLY JOHN MENTIONED, AT THE WEST SIDE OF MICHIGAN ROAD IN CARMEL , IT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN COMMERCIAL , INDUSTRIAL, AND PRETTY MUCH ALL BUSINESSES .

SOME RETAIL. AND THAT HAS BEEN FINE BUT WE THINK IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE. WE THINK THIS PROJECT BRINGS THAT. WE THINK IT WILL BRING SOME OF THE CITY 'S PERSONALITY, THE THINGS YOU SEE IN THE CITY CENTER, THE THINGS YOU SEE IN THE OLD TOWN IN THAT SENSE , OF WEST CARMEL. WE THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD STEPPINGSTONE. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS GOING ON, WE HAVE SOME OVERLAP ALONG THE MICHIGAN CORRIDOR AND SOME GOOD THINGS GOING ON WITH THE PERFORMANCE FACILITY THAT WAS RECENTLY PUT IN. AND WE ARE SEEING AND HOPEFULLY SEE A RENAISSANCE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE AREA. WE THINK THIS PROJECT WILL ALSO HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IN AND AROUND MAYFLOWER PARK SO AGAIN WE'VE BEEN AT A LITTLE BIT OF A STANDSTILL WITH RCI MOVING OUT AND WE ARE VERY MUCH INVOLVED WITH THE MAYFLOWER PARK ASSOCIATION WHICH REPRESENTS ABOUT 25 BUSINESSES IN THE PARK. CHRIS MILLER FROM OUR COMPANY IS HERE TONIGHT . SHE MANAGES THE ASSOCIATION WITHIN MAYFLOWER PARK AND DAVE, HOURS CFO -- OUR CFO IS ALSO ON THE BOARD SO WE

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APPRECIATE THE TIME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JOHN DO

YOU WANT TO RESPOND? >> JUST APPROACHING , WE UNDERSTAND THAT AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING WE WILL CONTINUE ON THE REMAINING QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT THEY HAVE AND WOULD PRESENT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON APRIL 1 FOR YOU TO DIGEST WITH THE ANTICIPATION OF LIKELY ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING AFTER THAT BEFORE WE MOVED TO RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE DEPARTMENT

FOR THEIR REPORT. >> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE. THE PETITIONER DID A GOOD JOB, I THINK, OF GOING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN AND THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT . WITH ANY NEW PUD ONE THING WE LOOK AT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SOME GOALS IN THE PLAN THAT INCLUDED PROMOTING A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, A MIXTURE OF LAND USES AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT ALLOW MORE RESIDENTS TO BE LOCATED WITHIN A SHORT WALK OR A BIKE RIDE TOO MANY DAILY NEEDS. THIS CAN BE SEEN IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND ALSO GUIDES DEVELOPMENT TO ENSURE THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES AND BENEFITS ARE AVAILABLE TO ALL THROUGH WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING , BUT THESE APARTMENTS WILL BE MARKET RATE AND NOT AFFORDABLE. UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE COMP PLAN THIS AREA IS CLASSIFIED AS A GATEWAY WHICH IS INTENDED TO FEATURE LARGE MIXED-USE AND COMMERCIAL AREAS ALONG OR NEAR ACCESS POINTS OF CARMEL AND IT ALSO INCLUDES CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS ECZEMA HEIGHT OF FIVE STORIES, BUILDING COVERAGE BETWEEN 30% AND 60%, AVOIDING PARKING LOT PLACEMENT BETWEEN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THE ROAD, AND COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL RETAIL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING USES ARE ALL ANTICIPATED WITH THAT GATEWAY ZONE. THE PROPOSED PUD WOULD CHANGE THE USE FROM WHAT IS NOW INDUSTRIAL TO RESIDENTIAL AND THERE ARE PROS AND CONS, WE BELIEVE, TO THIS CHANGE. THOSE HAVE BEEN LISTED IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT BUT SOME OF THE PROS DO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL HOUSING PROVIDED FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND ENHANCED ARCHITECTURE AND SITE PLAN, AND FUTURE RESIDENTS THAT WILL HELP BOOST BUSINESSES ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENING HOURS. SOME OF THE CONS COULD INCLUDE A LOSS OF POTENTIAL INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS SITES . ONLY 1% OF ALL OF CARMEL IS ZONED THAT I-1 INDUSTRIAL ZONE SO WE WOULD LOSE SOME OF THAT. WE WOULD ALSO BE ADDING NEW RESIDENCE IN APARTMENTS THAT WOULD BE LIVING NEXT TO AND EXISTING INDUSTRIAL AND THE NEW APARTMENTS COULD LIMIT FUTURE GROWTH OF INDUSTRIAL IN THIS AREA IF RESIDENTS CHOSE TO DEMONSTRATE AGAINST A NEW PROJECT. NOW DIVING INTO THE PUD ITSELF, THERE WILL BE SEVEN BUILDINGS PROPOSED WITH 360 UNITS AND A RETAIL OUTLET ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD . 5 ACRES OF COMMON AREA IS PROPOSED AND THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT LOT IN AREA B WILL FOLLOW THE B3 BUSINESS AND STANDARDS OF THE MICHIGAN ROAD OVERLAY SO THAT WILL DEVELOP SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE TODAY FOR THE COMMERCIAL .

WE HAVE ASKED THAT THEY PROVIDE A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT FOR THAT RETAIL SO THAT WE CAN SEE HOW IT BE INCORPORATED WITH THEIR PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SO THAT IT CAN ENHANCE THE WALKABILITY WE ARE SEEING AND NOT JUST MAY BE A STRIP CENTER OR ANOTHER LOT BUT REALLY INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PROPOSED APARTMENTS SITE PLAN. SIDEWALKS ARE SHOWN THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMNT AND THE DEVELOPER HAS ADDED AN ADDITIONAL CONNECTION THROUGH STAFF 'S REQUEST. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE THEM TO LOOK AT ADDING A SIGNALIZED PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK TO MAYBE GET SOME OF THOSE NEW RESIDENCE TO BUSINESSES ACROSS THE STREET. THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER IMAGERY WITH A MODERN

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DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING AT 6:26. I WILL OPEN IT UP TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR COMMENTS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO

GO FIRST? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD PROJECT FOR THAT AREA. I USED TO WORK NEAR THAT AREA AND WITH THE RCI BEING BASICALLY DEFUNCT , I

THINK IT'S A PERFECT FIT . >> THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN MINNAAR? I SEE SHE IS RAISING HER HANDS OF GO AHEAD.

>> HI EVERYBODY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME JOIN .

JULIE, I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. FOR THE RECORD I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, LETTING THE GENERAL PUBLIC KNOW HOW MANY ONE-BEDROOM, TWO-BEDROOM AND THREE BEDROOMS THERE ARE GOING TO BE WITHIN THE SEVENTH-- SEVEN BUILDINGS. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE AREAS CONCERNED , IF IT'S CHANGING FROM INDUSTRIAL TO RESIDENTIAL , WHAT TYPE OF -- IF REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS AND BECOMES RESIDENTIAL OR IF IT STAYS INDUSTRIAL, WILL THERE BE RE-MENSTRUATION? I KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS BUT FOR THE RECORD I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE. AND THEN ALSO MY OTHER COMMENT WOULD BE I AGREE WITH ALEXIA WITH THE TREE PRESERVATION AREA AND I KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT AREA REMAINS LARGE SO I JUST WANT TO AGREE WITH THOSE COMMENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. JOHN? >> IF I MIGHT, REGARDING THE DISTRIBUTION AND THE NUMBER OF TYPES THEY ANTICIPATE 30% HAVE BEEN 40% BEING ONE-BEDROOM, 10% HAVE BEEN 15% THREE-BEDROOM AND THE BALANCE, TWO BEDROOM. SO 30 - 41, 10 - 15 THREE, AND THE BALANCE, TWO-BEDROOM. AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THE TREE PRESERVATION AREA WE WILL PUT A SHARPER PENCIL ON THE PLAN TO DEFINE THAT SPACE THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING INTO AND REPORT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE WORLD-- THE RESULTS ON THAT.

>> ONE MORE QUESTION, I'M SORRY. MADAM PRESIDENT IS THAT A

WETLANDS AREA? >> THERE IS A PORTION IN THE WOODS THAT IS WETLAND AND WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THE AREA THAT IS JURISDICTIONAL HE DEFINED AS WETLANDS.

>> THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT. >> THANK YOU FOR CALLING IN.

SUE? >> JOHN, I JUST HAVE A -- A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TONIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVEN THOUGH I THINK YOU STATED THIS, THE CHARACTER IMAGES THAT YOU HAVE IN TABS SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT , ESPECIALLY THE OUTDOOR SPACES, THESE ARE NOT CONCEPTUAL AND THEY WILL BE THE TYPE OF AMENITIES THAT ARE THERE. SAME WITH THE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENT THAT YOU PUT UP OF THE STREETSCAPE WHICH I APPRECIATE. THANK YOU. MAKE SURE THAT IS INCLUDED . SO THERE ARE NO SURPRISES DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE GET RIGHT NOW BUT THINGS LIKE LIGHTING CONCERNS HERE. THIS IS OFF THE ROAD I DON'T KNOW WHEN A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN COMES IN OR IF THAT'S PART OF THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT. YOU HAVE A LOT OF OFFSTREET PARKING AND I THINK IT COULD BE DARK BACK THERE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE BUILDING ON THE STREET IS GOING TO BLOCK IT. SAME THING WITH HVAC ON THESE BUILDINGS.

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WAS DEFINITELY ONE OUT THERE? >> IT WAS A LONG MICHIGAN ROAD AND WE PROVIDED STAFF WITH A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SIGN.

>> OKAY. I TURNED ON OUTBACK LANE --

>> ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE'VE HAD SOME EXCEPTIONAL WEATHER OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS IN TERMS OF WIND, WE MAY HAVE LOST A SIGN BUT IT WAS UP FROM EARLY JANUARY IN ADVANCE SO THE JANUARY PUBLIC HEARING , I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE SITE IN ABOUT A MONTH.

>> I JUST WANTED TO ASK BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT AND CAN'T SAY THAT IT WASN'T THERE. I'M NOT ON COUNCIL YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THESE APARTMENTS WOULD NOT BRING, IN YOUR WORDS AN ADDITIONAL CUSTOMER BASE WHICH IS TRUE IN THE DEVELOPMENT. IN THAT SENSE I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAVE GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO ANY OF THESE APARTMENTS BEING USED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING .

THIS IS A PERFECT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO WORK AND EASILY A LONG MICHIGAN ROAD WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUSINESSES ALONG THERE, SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK INTO THAT BEFORE THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING. I GUESS WE NEED MORE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT WILL BE COMING, LIKE YOU MENTIONED. IN THE TREE PRESERVATION AREA IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF WALKING PATH OR, I DON'T HAVE TO KNOW TONIGHT , WHAT THAT IS REALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE AMENITY. I MEAN, TREES ARE GREAT BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN ENHANCE THAT?

>> WE'VE NOTED THAT SUGGESTION IN TERMS OF PROVIDING AGGREGATE BATH RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT IS ASPHALT TO GET THROUGH THAT SPACE AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION.

>> I DON'T KNOW OF ANY KIND OF BIRD SANCTUARY OR SOME TYPE OF LITTLE DIFFERENCE WE COULD MAKE. AND BECAUSE I AM PROBABLY NOT UP TO SPEED, YOU USED THE WORD PERFORMANCE JIM. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. THAT'S ONE OF YOUR AMENITIES?

>> IT'S JUST A GYMNASIUM SPACE OR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD BE STRUCTURED BY THE OWNERSHIP GROUP.

>> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING NEW OR A NEW

CONCEPT OR SOMETHING INNOVATIVE. >> IF I DESCRIBED IT AS THAT, I

APOLOGIZE. >> IT'S OKAY, I DIDN'T KNOW.

>> JONATHAN? >> JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I AGREE WITH STAFF ON ALL OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT STAND OUT TO ME . FIRST OF ALL I THINK THE DESIGN LOOKS GREAT.THE ARCHITECTURE LOOKS GREAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THAT. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING SOME OF THAT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE POTENTIAL FUTURE REMONSTRANCE IS WE MIGHT SEE FROM FUTURE TENANTS ESPECIALLY AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN THAT AREA. I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF CONNECTION BETWEEN THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THE EASTSIDE IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION SO I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE A SIGNALIZED PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OR AT LEAST HAVE THAT INVESTIGATED FURTHER. AND THEN IN TERMS OF AFFORDABLE VERSUS NON-AFFORDABLE OR MARKET RATE, WE KNOW THAT AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE NEEDED IN THE CITY SO I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE YOU AND THE TEAM TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. DOESN'T MEAN THE WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE AFFORDABLE BUT I THINK SOME PERCENTAGE SHOULD CERTAINLY BE AFFORDABLE AND WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS INCLUDED MOVING

FORWARD. >> JUST TO TOUCH ON THE COMMENT REGARDING POTENTIAL REMONSTRANCE, THE SURROUNDING AREA ON THE WEST SIDE OF MICHIGAN ROAD IS ZONED I-1 TODAY SO THE ONLY APPROVAL PROCESS AND OWNER WOULD HAVE AROUND THAT SPACE IS TO COME TO THE FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR AUTHORIZED USE. IN TERMS OF QUOTE UNQUOTE REMONSTRANCE, THIS WOULD BE A FOR RENT PRODUCT. EDWARD ROSE KNOWS THE SHOES HE IS STEPPING INTO AS OWNER OF REAL ESTATE. IT HAS NOT BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTING IN A COMMUNITY ARE THAT OFTEN REMONSTRATE ARE'S TO WHAT IS NEXT DOOR BUT

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MULTI FAMILY. >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE TEND TO REMONSTRATE EVEN IF IT'S JUST FOR A SITE PLAN BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE COMMENTS ARE ON THE RECORD.

>> THANK YOU. >> DUBBIE?

>> I DID SEE THE SIGN. THAT'S MY STOMPING GROUNDS. AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE ROSE PROPERTY ON GRAND AND FAIRFAX. IF THIS IS GOING TO BE LIKE THAT, THAT'S A FABULOUS PROPERTY AND IT WOULD BE SUCH AN ENHANCEMENT FOR THIS AREA. BARRING SOMETHING UNFORESEEN, I AM VERY PLEASED WITH THIS AND DELIGHTED TO HAVE POSITIVE SUPPORT FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS.

>> COUNCILWOMAN MINNAAR TEXTED ME AND HAS ANOTHER QUESTION. CAN

YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, I CAN. SORRY. THANK YOU SO MUCH MADAM PRESIDENT. QUESTION TO THE REMONSTRATE IN.

IF THERE IS A CAR DEALERSHIP THERE, AS WELL, AND WE KNOW THAT CAR ALARMS TO GO OFF A LOT, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT WITH TENANTS? BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONTROL CAR ALARMS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. WE ARE PUTTING A RESIDENTIAL AREA NEXT TO ALL INDUSTRIAL MEANING CAR LOTS , ASUS IS NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE BUT JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE FOR TENANTS . IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU NEED TO ANSWER TONIGHT BUT SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

>> DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND OR ADDRESS IT?

>> I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE , THIS STRETCH OF MICHIGAN ROAD , FOR YEARS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE'VE THOUGHT HOW CAN WE ELEVATE THIS? AND WE DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH HIGH ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND LANDSCAPING STANDARDS BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND ON THIS SECTION WE HAVE QUICK OIL CHANGE STORES, CAR PARTS STORES, A STRIP CENTER THAT IS -- RETAIL THAT'S AGING, BIG-BOX RETAIL, SOME OF THAT IS AGING. I AM VERY MUCH OPEN TO THE IDEA OF SWITCHING THE USAGE TO RESIDENTIAL WITH THE HOPES THAT THAT MAY BE A CATALYST TO START BRINGING MORE PEOPLE TO THIS AREA , ADD MORE VIBRANCY AND ENERGY. YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE STORES AND SHOPS. OUT WALKING THEIR DOGS. I AM VERY OPEN-MINDED TO THIS CHANGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL USE AND ALSO IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROPOSAL. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT.

THIS CREATES A REALLY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH THAT BIG FAVOR OF MAKING THIS CHANGE, N - DETAILS MATTER SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DETAILS I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TONIGHT AND TALK ABOUT AT COMMITTEE. FIRST, IT IS THE RETAIL OUT LOT AND COMMISSIONER CAMPAGNA HAS A CONFLICT TONIGHT BUT IS WATCHING AND HAS ALSO BEEN TEXTING ME. HE HAD A GREAT THOUGHT, IT IN THAT RESIDENTIAL RETAIL'S OUT LOT SHOULD BE A DESTINATION IF POSSIBLE.

SOMETHING THAT DRAWS PEOPLE TO THE AREA. AND JUST TO KIND OF TAKE THAT A STEP FURTHER AND PROVIDE MORE CLARITY, HAVING IT BE RETAIL OR RESTAURANT OR AMENITY, SOMETHING THAT ADDS VIBRANCY TO THAT AREA AND ACTIVATES THE SPACE EVEN MORE AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER GAS STATION OR ANOTHER SELF STORAGE FACILITY , I ASK THAT COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND THE PETITIONER GO THROUGH THE LIST OF PERMITTED USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED ON HERE AND MAYBE NARROW THOSE USES DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH AND COLLABORATIVE WITH BEING NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS MY FIRST ASK. THE OTHER AS WE MENTIONED IS THE WOODED AREA. I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO ACTIVATE THAT AND MAKE IT MORE OF A PARK SPACE THAT'S A USABLE AMENITY. AD SOME PATHS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I WOULD ALSO ADD SOME BENCHES AND THINK ABOUT LIGHTING TO ESPECIALLY WESTERMEIER'S POINT. PEOPLE MAY BE WALKING THEIR DOGS IN THE MORNING BEFORE WORK AND START. WHAT KIND OF LIGHTING DO WE NEED? AND I ALSO WANT TO SEE IT DESIGNATED IN TEXT AS, THIS

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AGAIN THE PICTURES LOOK PHENOMENAL BUT THE ONE THING I HAVE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS IS THAT IF WE DON'T SPELL IT OUT IN WRITING AND IN TEXT WE COULD BE SURPRISED DOWN THE ROAD. SO DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATIONS TO ATTACH THOSE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. THOSE ARE MY BIG PICTURES AND THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DISCUSSED AT COMMITTEE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> THANK YOU, THOSE WERE GOOD POINTS. I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ON HOW PEOPLE DRIVING ON MICHIGAN ROAD LOOKING FOR THE APARTMENTS, HOW THEY WILL SEE IT WITH RETAIL OUT IN FRONT AND SIGNAGE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME. YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW THE NAME YET OF THE PROJECT BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT LIMITATIONS OF WHAT YOU CAN PUT OUT THERE. IT'S A BUSY STREET. THAT'S ALL.

>> MADAM CHAIR, ONE LAST COMMENT IF I MAY.

>> OF COURSE. >> I WANT TO ECHO EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF JOSIE BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO HER THAT THERE BE SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA THAT DOES DRAW PEOPLE INTO THIS VERY DOWNTURNED AREA. SO I THINK TO YOUR POINT , PRESIDENT ZOCCOLA THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP AND I KNOW THAT THE VERY IMPORTANT PIECE FOR HER AS WELL AS THE TREE PRESENTATION -- PRESERVATION AREA. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS DRILLED DOWN

PLEASE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? HEARING NONE DO I HAVE A MOTION?

>> I MOTION WE MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE APRIL 1 COMMITTEE AND GIVE THE COMPLETE PLANNING COMMISSION FINAL APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS PROJECT TO THE COMMITTEE TO RETURN TO THE COMMISSION FOR A VOTE, SAY

I. >> I. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE WE WILL SEE YOU APRIL 1 AT COMMITTEE.

>> OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, A COMBINATION PLAN COMMISSION AND ZONING. WE HAVE THREE DOCKETS AND 8 ZONING VARIANCES SO I AM GOING TO READ THEM ALL INTO THE RECORD AT ONE TIME SO PLEASE

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DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-00032, VARIANCE , UDO, 20' PARKING SETBACK , IN FRONT OF BUILDING IS REQUESTED. DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-00033 FIVE, SECTION 4A .2 POINT A . 15,000 FT.÷ MAXIMUM BUILDING FOOTPRINT, 57,000 FT.÷ IS REQUESTED. DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-00034, VARIANCE UDO SECTION 5.25. I-1 DESIGNED TO CHANGE EVERY 50', LONGER FAÇADE DESIGNS REQUESTED. DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-00035 VARIANCE . PRINCIPAL BUILDINGS COVERING 70%

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DOCKET NUMBER PZ-205-0037, VARIANCE, SECTION 5.31 C-1. 1.5 PARKING SPACES SWELLING REQUIRED, 1.25 SPACES SWELLING REQUESTED. THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN AND DESIGN APPROVAL FOR PHASE 2 AT NORTH END INCLUDING AN APARTMENT BUILDING WITH 170 UNITS FOR INDIVIDUALS OVER THE AGE OF 55 AND SEVEN TOWNHOME TYPE HOLDINGS CONTAINING 72 APARTMENT UNITS.

THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY 300 W. SITE IS LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY 300 WEST SMOKEY RD.-- EXCUSE ME AND IS ZONED DURBAN RESIDENTIAL WITH A GREENWAY OVERLAY FILED BY CHARLIE MADDOX WITH CROSSROAD ENGINEERS AND DAN ON BEHALF OF OLD TOWNE COMPANIES AND AVENUE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH ME. I ALMOST DIDN'T MAKE IT. PETITIONER, SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY VARIANCES ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU NEED FOR YOUR PRESENTATION? OKAY. WE WILL GIVE YOU 20 MINUTES. IF YOU GO OVER THAT'S OKAY, TOO. I WILL TURN

IT OVER TO YOU, PETITIONER. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS REBECCA AND I'M WITH ALL 10 COMPANIES. YOU WILL ALSO HEAR FROM MATT WITH AVENUE, DAN MORIARTY AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE TEAM OF US FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. AS YOU HEARD FROM THAT LONG READING, I BELIEVE THE NORTH END WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS TO GO THROUGH WITH A NEW SO WE HAVE WORKED IN CLOSE PARTNERSHIP WITH PLANNING STAFF SINCE 2019 ON THE NORTH END DEVELOPMENT WHICH HAS UNDERLYING ZONING OF URBAN RESIDENTIAL, HENCE MANY VARIANCES AND WAIVERS WHICH YOU HEARD THIS EVENING AND THAT WE WILL ADDRESS AT A HIGH LEVEL GOING INTO COMMITTEE AS WELL FOR FURTHER DETAIL. I AM GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE-- ON BEHALF OF OLD TOWNE I'M GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL BACKGROUND TO THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT INFORMS HOW WE HAVE CHANGED THE PRIMARY PLAT WITH SOME OF THE PRODUCT WE ARE PUTTING ON IT IN RESPONSE TO THE MARKET . THERE HAS BEEN A DURATION OF TIME IN 2019 WHERE WE FILED THE PRIMARY PLAT AND WE KNEW THE SECOND PHASE WOULD BE A 10,000 VIEW AND AS WE HAVE GOTTEN CLOSER WE ARE ADDRESSING MARKET DEMAND AND CONTINUING WITH PRODUCT THAT WE BELIEVE FURTHERS THE MISSION AND INTEGRATION THAT WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED IN PHASE I SO I AM GOING TO TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. IT HELPS US WITH THE ADDITIONAL 72 APARTMENTS TO PARTNER WITH 168 APARTMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PHASE I IN TERMS OF STAFFING AND CONTINUING THAT. IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PRODUCT FROM THE THREE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE IN PHASE I ADDRESSING SOME

OTHER RENTAL OPTIONS. >> COUNCILWOMAN MINNAAR? CAN YOU

HIT MUTE? >> PRODUCT TYPES TO OFFER SOME VARIETY AS WELL AND THEY ARE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AS MENTIONED. SEVEN INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS THAT CONTINUES WITH JUST THE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT AND THE CONNECTION OF PADS . ALL OF OUR ORIGINAL COMMITMENTS FROM 2019, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF PAST CONNECTIVITY REMAINING INTACT SO WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE ANY OF THOSE THINGS. AS I MENTIONED THERE'S THE INITIAL 168 APARTMENTS IN PHASE I. I APOLOGIZE, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS OF HER THIS MULTIPLE TIMES SO I DON'T WANT TO SKIP OVER THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE 40 INTEGRATED OBTAINABLE HOUSING MUSIC -- UNITS SET APART FOR ADULTS WITH INTELLECTUAL AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES. SO SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL EXCITEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH AVENUE WHO WE VETTED AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING FOR, A SENIOR PARTNER WE BELIEVED WAS ALIGNED WITH US, IS TO SAY WE ARE BRINGING IN A POPULATION 55 AND OVER THAT TEND TO HAVE MORE DISPOSABLE TIME SO WE HOPE TO PROMOTE SOME OF THAT AND INTEGRATE VOLUNTEER HOURS .

WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN IN SOME OF OUR EXTENDED COMMUNITY, VOLUNTEERS THAT COME IN AND HOST COFFEE CHATS THAT ARE ON THE PREMISES WITH RESIDENTS SO IT IS ABOUT HAVING A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOCIAL ENGAGEMENT AS WELL. WE ARE EXCITED AS WE BELIEVE PHASE 2 CONTINUES THAT MISSION.

ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE OPENED, SINCE PHASE I STARTED AND WE ARE MOVING TO PHASE 2, A FARM TO TABLE RESTAURANT INDICATED HERE.

IT'S FREELAND'S RESTAURANT WHICH HAS BEEN OPEN A LITTLE

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I KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK AD NAUSEAM ON THIS . I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE IMPACT IN 2024 AND AGAIN WHERE WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR PAST CONNECTIVITY, THE POPULATION WE BELIEVE WILL ENGAGE IN IT AND I WILL BOUNCE BACK IN JUST A MOMENT TO SHOW THE PROXIMITY. PHASE 2 IS INDICATED HERE AND YOU WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT THE PRODUCTS BUT THERE WILL BE PAST CONNECTIVITY TO CARRY INTO THE GARDEN AS WELL. THEN WE HAVE A 10 FOOT PATH, THANK YOU CITY OF CARMEL THAT CONNECTS TO A BEAUTIFUL LOOP TO DRAW INTO THE GARDEN SPACE AS WELL. WE'VE ALREADY SPENT WELL OVER 1000 VOLUNTEER HOURS WITH APPROXIMATELY 150 YOU NEED VOLUNTEERS ENGAGING IN THAT SO IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE NORTH END COMMUNITY. WE EXPECT COMPLETION THIS SUMMER AND THESE ARE FURTHER ALONG BUT WE DO HAVE A GREENHOUSE THAT HANDLES PRODUCTION FOR A GREATER EXTENDED GROWTH PERIOD AND THIS IS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED WITH MULTIPLE GRANTS. PUTTING TOWARDS MONEY TOWARD THIS WE'VE HAD THE ROTARY CLUB, SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS THE 100 WOMEN'S CLUB . OLD TOWNE DONATED LAND TO BEGIN WITH AND THEN WE DID HAVE CREATING PLACES THAT CONTRIBUTED MONEY. THE VALUE OF WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE IN THE GARDEN EXCEEDS $760,000 TO DATE SO WE BELIEVE IT IS A HIGH COMMUNITY ADD AND WE APPRECIATE THAT THE DESIGN WILL FURTHER EMPHASIZE THE MISSION THAT THIS IS ATTEMPTING TO ACCOMPLISH, AS WELL. WITH THAT I DO WANT TO LET YOU HEAR LITTLE BIT MORE FROM OUR PARTNERS TALKING ABOUT THE PRODUCT THAT THEY ARE BRINGING AND THE COMMUNITY THEY ARE

SERVING. >> THANKS REBECCA. MADAM PRESIDENT AND COMMISSIONERS , I AM WITH AVENUE DEVELOPMENT AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT I HAVE TWO INTRODUCE YOU TO VIVA BENE.

VIVA BENE IS REALLY SEEKING TO REDEFINE AND PIONEER A NEW WAY FOR SENIOR LIVING TO EXIST. WE ARE DOING THAT BY DESIGNING A WAY TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT HOW WE AGE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT TRADITIONAL SENIOR LIVING, MANY TIMES YOU ENTER IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REACT TO SOMETHING. BEING IN THIS SPACE FOR AS LONG AS WE HAVE WE REALIZE THAT WE HAVE TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT HOW WE AGE. WE SEE VIVA BENE AS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. SOME OF THE WAYS WE DIFFERENTIATE OURSELVES , YOU HEAR 55+, AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING, WE HAVE REALLY TAKEN A LOT OF EFFORT TO GO BEYOND HOUSING AND I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THOSE THINGS AND THEN WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THIS WITH Q&A OR AT A FUTURE DATE AS WELL. WE WANT TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND WE DO THAT BY DESIGNING APARTMENTS THAT YOU CAN AGE IN PLACE BUT ALSO PROVIDE HEALTH CARE COORDINATION SO AS YOU AGE, MORE HEALTHCARE EVENTS, YOU NEED HELP WITH COORDINATION AND WE HAVE EXPERTS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH RESIDENTS TO HELP THEM AND NAVIGATE THEM THROUGH THE HEALTHCARE JOURNEY. WE ARE COMMUNITY-ORIENTED WITH OUR APPROACH TO THIS SO REALLY OUR RESIDENTS BECOME A COMMUNITY AND THEY REMAIN SOCIAL. THEY SET THE PROGRAMMING, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IS HAVING ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY GARDEN AND HAVING ACCESS TO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY WITHIN REACH WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND THAT'S WHY WE THINK THIS IS THE IDEAL SITE. I MENTIONED NAVIGATION ALREADY BUT WE PROVIDE ALMOST A CARE CONCIERGE TO HELP RESIDENTS THROUGH ANY HEALTHCARE THAT MAY BE HAPPENING. THE REALITY IS BY THE TIME YOU ARE AGE 65 YOU MAY ALREADY BE DEALING WITH TWO OR THREE CHRONIC HEALTH ISSUES THAT REQUIRE A LOT OF COORDINATION AND A LOT OF BACK-AND-FORTH WITH DOCTORS AND SPECIALISTS AND WE ARE THERE TOHELP YOU DO THAT SO THAT YOU CAN REMAIN HEALTHY ACTIVE AND A VIBRANT PARTICIPANT IN THE COMMUNITY. ATTAINABLE LIVING IS ANOTHER ONE OF OUR FOCUS IS AND ATTAINABLE CAN MEET A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. IF YOU HAD A LOVED ONE OR EXPERIENCED HAVING TO GO INTO SENIOR LIVING IT CAN BE EXPENSIVE. ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE WANT TO BRING THIS TYPE OF SENIOR LIVING WITHIN REACH FOR RESIDENTS AND ATTAINABLE ALSO MEANS HAVING SOCIALIZATION, RETAIL . THE TRAIL IS RIGHT THERE. THERE'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS TO TAKE PART IN EVERYTHING THAT HAS MADE CARMEL GRADE AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING THAT.

TRANSFORMING THE AGING PROCESS. I MENTIONED BEING PROACTIVE ABOUT AGING. IT IS TRULY OUR BELIEF THAT IF YOU CHOOSE TO COME BE A RESIDENT YOU WILL BE HEALTHIER LONGER AND THAT JUST

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>> GOOD EVENING, I AM WITH CROSSROAD ENGINEERS, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. JUST TO REALLY GET US INTO WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT, THE FIRST DOCKET IS A PRIMARY PLAN AMENDMENT.

THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PRIMARY PLAT FOR THE NORTH END TO THE WEST AND WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS FACES TWO AND 3 TO THE EAST . AS WE CAME THROUGH THE MODIFIED FACE TO INCLUDING BOTH OLD TOWNE AND AVENUES DEVELOPMENTS, STAFF RECOMMENDED A PLAT AMENDMENT SO THAT IS THE FIRST DOCKET NUMBER. HERE IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE AMENDED PLAT AND WHAT IT INCLUDES. IT IS SMALL AND HARD TO SEE BUT IT INCLUDES TWO LOTS, A BLOCK AND A COMMON AREA. LOT NUMBER ONE WHICH IS HERE TO THE SOUTH IS THE OLD TOWNE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2.2 ACRES. IT CONTAINS SEVEN TOWNHOMES WITH 72 UNITS, HAS SURFACE PARKING AND THE EXTENSION OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT FOR ACCESS. LOT NUMBER TWO , THE NORTH END WHICH IS THE AVENUE DEVELOPMENT, VIVA BENE THAT YOU JUST HEARD ABOUT -- IS HE MOVING IN OR AM I MOVING IN? IT INCLUDES THE SILK SINGLE BUILDING WITH PARKING GARAGE AND SURFACE PARKING BUT 170 UNITS. BLOCK A IS IN THE MIDDLE AND THAT IS AN AREA RESERVED FOR OPEN SPACE AND IT DOES HAVE SOME SURFACE PARKING IN IT BUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THAT AREA IS TO REALLY PRESERVE THE TREE GROWTH IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA. AND IN SPEAKING WITH REGARDS TO OPEN SPACE , THE COMMON AREA WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 2.2 ACRES ABOUT THE PERIMETER TO THE SOUTH, THE EAST, AND THE NORTH, AGAIN CAN TRAIN CONTAINS MORE TREE PRESERVATION IS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND INTERNAL PATHWAYS AS REBECCA MENTIONED THE SOUTHERN CONNECTION INTO THE FIELDS PARK . THE ORIGINAL PLAT OVERALL HAD AN OPEN SPACE , PROVIDED A MINIMUM , A REQUIRED MINIMUM OPEN SPACE OF 3.38 ACRES AND IN TALKING WITH ALEXIA AND DOING SOME QUICK CALCULATIONS JUST THIS AFTERNOON, PHASE II ALONE HAS OVER 3 1/2 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE WITH A COMBINATION OF THE COMMON AREA-- COMMON AREA AND SOME OF THE ACTIVE OPEN SPACE AVAILABLE ON LOT NUMBER TWO. HALF AN ACRE TO THE EAST AND HALF AN ACRE TO THE WEST OF THEIR STRUCTURE. SO THAT IS THE PLAT AND AS A GOES INTO THE ADLS, 0014 AND 0015 ARE BASICALLY THE SAME THING. 0015 IS THE OLD TOWNE WHICH IS LOT ONE AND THE SEVEN TOWNHOMES , 70 UNITS, THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, SURFACE PARKING IN PART OF THE COMMON AREA AND I'M SORRY THAT WAS 0014 , OLD TOWNE IN LOT ONE. 0015 IS THE NORTH PORTION WHICH IS THE AVENUE DEVELOPMENT, THE VIVA BENE, 170 UNITS , PARKING GARAGE, SURFACE PARKING AND AMENITIES. AND WE HAVE, INC.

WITH ALL OF THAT, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, CONNECTIVITY TO THE MONON, INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AS WELL. SO FROM A CIVIL STANDPOINT THAT IS REALLY THE SITE STUFF AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MISTER DAN MORIARTY FOR ARCHITECTURAL.

>> THANKS GREG. I AM DAN MORIARTY HERE IN CARMEL AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO BE PART OF THIS TEAM. IT'S A VERY PROFESSIONAL TEAM AND A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE IN THE GROUP AND IT HAS BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH THEM. AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST SITES IN CARMEL IN TERMS OF, THERE'S A

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ONE THING WE WANTED TO DO IN THE DESIGN WAS, IT EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE SISTER BUILDINGS, THEY ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER SO THE COLORS AND THE BRICKS AND THE PATTERNS, SOME OF THE GABLES AND SOME OF THE LOOK WE WANT TO MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE IN A RELATED NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN TWO SEPARATE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.

THIS IS THE ENTRANCE INTO THE COMPLEX AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A VARIETY OF RICK. IN THIS CASE IF IT'S AND SIDING THAT WE'VE USED TO CREATE THE PATTERNING AND THEN THE ROOF AT THE TOP HIDES THOSE MECHANICAL UNITS THAT WE WILL NEED TO PUT ON THE ROOF. THIS IS A SHOT FROM THE MONON SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

WE'VE GOT ADVANTAGE OF A PARK SPACE AND A WATER RETENTION AREA TO THE SOUTHEAST THAT WILL PROVIDE A NICE A BUFFER AND IT IS VERY HEAVILY WOODED IF YOU'VE WALKED UP THAT WAY. IT'S VERY DENSE SO YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT SEE THIS COMPLETE VIEW WHEN YOU ARE ON IT. YOU WILL BE BLOCKED BY A NUMBER OF EXISTING TREES BUT IN TERMS OF CHARACTER ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TRIED TO DO IS BREAK DOWN THE BUILDING AND ELIMINATE THE LONG MASSIVE BLOCKS THAT CAN SOMETIMES GET IN THESE TYPES OF BUILDINGS. WE TRY TO BREAK IT DOWN AND CREATE SOME VARIETY.

>> ON THE VARIANCE SIDE OF THINGS THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF PREVIOUSLY APPROVED VARIANCES AND WAIVERS FOR THE NORTH END PROPERTY WHICH IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM OR COMPARE . THERE ARE SOME OF THESE WE ARE ASKING FOR AGAIN THAT WERE BUILDING SPECIFIC AND

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THE BLUE OR PURPLE IS A VIVA BENE PROPERTY AND THE YELLOW THAT GOES AROUND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPED OVER THE COURSE OF THE PROJECT TO BECOME WHAT WE CALL COMMON AREA THAT SERVES BOTH PROJECTS. SO THERE'S A TRAIL AND IT THAT GOES ALONG 31 UP TO THE MONON AND THEN ANOTHER TRAIL THAT COMES HERE AS REBECCA SAID AND CONNECTS DOWN TO THE GARDEN AREA. THE INTRODUCTION OF THAT COMMON SPACE IS ALSO WHAT GENERATED A FEW OF THE VARIANCES BECAUSE WE ARE FOR INSTANCE MOVED AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, PARKING HAS MOVED AWAY AT THE PROPERTY LINE IS NOW AT THE PARKING. SO I'VE TRIED TO GROUP THEM INTO THREE TYPES. THE FIRST ONE--

>> THAT'S OKAY, CONTINUE. >> THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT I WOULD CALL THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL VARIANCES AND THERE ARE TWO OF THOSE WHICH RELATE TO THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL SITE WAS ZONED URBAN RESIDENTIAL AND I THINK THE INTENDED CODE THERE WAS URBAN STREET AND I THINK THE INTENDED CODE THERE WAS URBAN ST., OLD TOWN WHERE YOU HAVE BUILDINGS ON THE STREET, BUILDINGS WHERE SCALE IS IMPORTANT. PATTERNING AS YOU MOVE ALONG THE STREET IS IMPORTANT SO ONE OF THE THINGS REQUIRED IS THE FRONT YARD SET BACK BE NO MORE THAN 50'. OR NO MORE THAN 10 TO 20' BASED ON SOME PERCENTAGES. WE HAVE MORE THAN 50' IN SOME SPOTS BUT AS YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE REASONING FOR THAT IS JUST THE CRAZY SHAPE OF THE SITE. IT'S NOT A RECTANGLE, IT'S WHATEVER SHAPE THAT IS AND WE HAVE A STRAIGHT BUILDING. SO REALLY, DISTANCES FROM THE PROPERTY LINE VERY UNLIKE MAY BE A MAIN STREET SHOP WHERE WE ARE ALWAYS 10' FROM A RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE SECOND ONE IS ONE THAT I MENTIONED. THE MINIMUM 6 FOOT SIDE YARD SET BACK FOR PARKING . AGAIN IN URBAN RESIDENTIAL THAT IS REQUIRED TO GIVE ROOM FOR PLANNING IN THE CODE AND A SEPARATION FROM PARKING AREAS.

WE'VE GOT OUR COMMON ZONE THAT PROVIDES THE TRAIL AND PLANTINGS ALL ALONG 31 THAT WILL SEPARATE OUR PARKING BUT AGAIN TECHNICALLY WE NEED A VARIANCE FROM THAT 6 FOOT MINIMUM. THE SECOND GROUP IS FROM THE MONON OVERLAY AND THIS ONE AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR SITE TOUCHES RIGHT AT THIS NORTHEAST CORNER . SO AGAIN TECHNICALLY WE ARE IN THE MONON OVERLAY BECAUSE WE BORDER THIS AND THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS SEPARATED BY THE MONON BY THE RETENTION AREA PLANNED IN THIS AREA. LOOKING AT THE VARIANCES REQUIRED FOR THAT, AGAIN THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PARKING SHOULD BE BEHIND THE FRONT LINE OF THE BUILDING. IS THE FRONTLINE THE MONON, AND NEW DEDICATED STREET SO WE REALLY HAVE THREE FRONT YARDS AND NO MATTER WHERE WE PUT THE PARKING WE WOULD NEED THAT VARIANCE TO COMPLY WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE. THE SECOND ONE REQUIRES A 15,000 FT.÷ MAXIMUM BUILDING FOOTPRINT . I THINK THE INTENT AT LEAST AS I WOULD GUESS, IS THAT YOU WANT THE PATTERN OR THE FEEL AS YOU WALK ALONG A STREET, TO HAVE SOME BREAKS. IF YOU GET TO THE PARKING LOT BEHIND OR THERE'S A COURTYARD OR ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN TYPE HIGHLIGHT, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT SITUATION HERE. WE'VE GOT AN ODDLY SHAPED SITE WITH THE MONON TRAIL AND THAT MAXIMUM BUILDING FOOTPRINT.

ONE OF THOSE THINGS AS WELL WHERE AFFORDABILITY COMES IN, FRANKLY. WHEN YOU HAVE MORE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, THE MORE EXPENSIVE THE BUILDING IS. THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL GROUP WOULD BE

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THESE ARE AMENITIES IN THIS LITTLE COURTYARD SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO STAFF AND WE HAVE MET THE INTENTION OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR BREAKING DOWN THE MASS BUT NEED THAT TECHNICAL VARIANCE. THE LAST TWO, BUILDINGS OVER THREE STORIES SHALL BE SET BACK AT THE FOURTH LEVEL. AGAIN I CAN SEE IN AN URBAN SETTING , TO ME THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PEDESTRIAN SCALE AND WALKING NEXT TO THREE-STORY VERSUS FOUR-STORY OR FIVE-STORY BUILDING, WE DON'T HAVE CIRCULATION NEXT TO THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF SETTING WITH THE MONON OUT HERE AND SIDEWALKS FOLLOWING THE NEW DEDICATED STREET. SO THAT IS ONE THAT WE ARE REQUESTING AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS JUST RELATED REALLY, TO THE PARKING. THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL ZONE REQUIRES 1.5 SPACES PER UNIT. VIVA BENE HAS A HISTORY OR A CORPORATE EXPERIENCE OF PROVIDING 1.25 AND THEY HAVE STUDIED THAT QUITE EXTENSIVELY IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS OF CARS AND SPACES THEY PROVIDE PER UNIT. WE HAVE A COMBINATION ACTUALLY UNDERNEATH THIS LEG OF THE BUILDING IS A GARAGE, A ONE-STORY GARAGE AND SURFACE PARKING TO SOLVE THAT AND REALLY MOST OF THAT IS DIRECTED AT BOTH GRADE AND TREES AND TRYING TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE. WE'VE WORKED HARD WITH CROSSROAD AND THE OWNERSHIP TO POSITION EVERYTHING WE CAN IN AN EFFORT TO SAVE THOSE , SOME OF THE GREAT TREES THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO WITH THAT, THAT IS THE TECHNICAL BORING SIDE OF THE PRESENTATION AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SINCE THIS IS A COMBO COMMITTEE HEARING I AM FIRST GOING TO ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR HAND. DOES ANYONE WANT TO THINK -- SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? SEEING NONE I WILL MOVE ON TO THE DEPARTMENT REPORT.

>> THANK YOU. ARCHITECTURE AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR TWO PROJECTS AND VARIANCES FOR THESE MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS . THIS WILL BE THE SECOND AND FINAL PHASE AND IT IS ZONED URBAN RESIDENTIAL WITH A SMALL PORTION AND THE MONON OVERLAY. AS WAS STATED THERE WILL BE SEVEN THREE-STORY TOWNHOME STYLE APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH 72 UNITS AND THEN ONE 4/FIVE-STORY AGE RESTRICTED APARTMENT BUILDING. IT WILL BE THROUGH SURFACE PARKING AND PERPENDICULAR PARKING SPOTS OFF OF THE NEW PUBLIC ROAD. STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OFF-SITE AND STAFF HAS ASKED TO SEE SOME WATER QUALITY MEASURES INSTALLED ON-SITE. A 10 FOOT WIDE ASPHALT PATH WILL BE INSTALLED ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND AN 8 FOOT PATH ALONG THE EAST SIDE AND THOSE WILL ACCESS THE MONON TRAIL . DURING THE FIRST REVIEW CYCLE THREE ADDITIONAL WAIVERS WERE IDENTIFIED AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE PETITIONER AND THEY WILL BE APPLYING FOR THOSE. ONE IS FOR

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MOVING ON TO THE ARCHITECTURE, BUILDINGS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OF ACCENT SIDING. THEY LOOK LIKE A THREE-STORY TOWNHOME BUILDING BUT EACH TOWNHOME HAS TWO UNITS. ONE IS ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND ONE UNIT OCCUPIES BOTH THE SECOND AND THE THIRD FLOORS.

CURRENTLY ALL THE BUILDINGS HAVE THE SAME COLOR SCHEME WHICH WAS MENTIONED IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT. WE WERE LOOKING AT IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO ADD NOT MONOTONY , MAYBE ADDING DIFFERENT COLORS ESPECIALLY ALONG THE 8 BAY BUILDING WHICH IS THE FAR BUILDING AT THE END OF THE STREET. IT'S A VERY LARGE LONG BUILDING AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BROKEN UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON ARCHITECTURAL COMMENTS FOR TOWNHOME STYLE PROJECT AND THEN WITH THE VIVA BENE PROJECT, THIS BUILDING WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OF A VARIETY OF MATERIALS AS WELL . WE'VE GOT FIBER CEMENT SLAB SIDING, ACCENT SIDING'S , BRIC AND EEPHUS AND THE EEPHUS WILL BE USED 8' ABOVE THE GROUND FLOOR BUT WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE FAÇADES HAVE A LARGE PERCENTAGE ON THEM SO WE WERE ASKING THE PETITIONER TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT AND USE A MORE DURABLE MATERIAL LIKE MAY BE INCORPORATING MORE BRIC ON SOME OF THOSE FAÇADES. WHEN VIEWING THE BUILDING FROM THE NORTH IT WILL BE FOUR STORIES TALL. HOWEVER THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE WHICH IS WHY IT IS FIVE STORIES TALL AND ON THE FIRST LEVEL THERE IS A PARKING GARAGE UNDERNEATH. WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE PETITIONER ON THESE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS FOR THE ARCHITECTURE.

MOVING ON, TREE PRESERVATION AREAS ARE SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. BUILDING BASED PAINTINGS ARE NOT SHOWN ON THE PLAN FOR THE TOWNHOME BUILDINGS AND THERE ARE SOME THAT WE ARE JUST ASKING TO SEE ANY LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED AROUND THIS BUILDING, TO SHOW THOSE ON THE LANDSCAPE PLANS NOW. THEN WE ARE LOOKING AT IF THERE COULD BE MORE STREET TREES ADDED ALONG THE STREET AND ADDITIONAL TREES ADDED IN THE OPEN COMMON AREAS .

THOSE ARE NOT EXACTLY SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT INCORPORATED. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE PETITIONER ON ALL OF THE REMAINING COMMENTS AND SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE , WE LIKE TO SEE THE DETAILS OF THE TRAILHEAD CONNECTION TO THE MONON, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME MONOTONY WITH TOWNHOME BUILDINGS, REDUCING THE EEPHUS. WE NEED TO SEE THE LIGHTING DETAILS FOR THIS PROJECT AND ANY SPECIFICATIONS FOR THOSE TYPES OF LIGHTS. I MENTIONED SOME OF THE OTHERS REGARDING THE LANDSCAPING INCLUDING ADDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ALONG WITH US 31 PERIMETER TO HELP PROVIDE MORE OF A BUFFER AGAINST US 31 AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY STILL NEED TO APPLY FOR ADDITIONAL WAIVERS AND ADDRESS THE PROJECT COMMENTS. THE PETITIONER REALLY WENT THROUGH THE VARIANCES AND THOSE ARE LISTED IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT AND I KIND OF WENT THROUGH EACH OF THOSE AND WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR THOSE. AT THIS TIME WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE VARIANCES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THIS UNIQUE PROJECT THAT IS TRYING TO USE THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL ZONE WHICH WAS NEWER FOR THE CITY WHEN THIS PROJECT ORIGINALLY WENT THROUGH AND I THINK WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TODAY WILL BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THIS OVERALL NORTH END DEVELOPMENT SO WE BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

>> I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR

QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. SUE? >> THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE TWO SIMPLE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. ON THE UNIQUE TO ME TWO F1 UNITS AND ONE STACK THAT YOU ARE

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LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. >> YOU BET. MY PARTNER NICK IS WITH ME HERE AS WELL. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR UNITS SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S TWO DOORS AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS. ONE TO THE RIGHT AND ONE TO THE LEFT FOR THOSE UNITS AND THEN STAIRS DOWN RIGHT HERE. AND RIGHT HERE. THEY GO TO THE LOWER UNITS OR I SHOULD SAY THEY ARE SUNK DOWN A LITTLE BIT BUT THERE ARE STEPS DOWN TO THE UNIT AND THEN ON THE BACKSIDE THE WAY THE GRADING WORKS OUT, THERE'S ALSO AN ENTRANCE AT THE BACK BUT IT IS A GRADE SO IT'S ACCESSIBLE. THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT ALSO RUNS ALONG THE BACK OF THE UNITS THAT ALLOWS ACCESS

FROM BOTH SIDES. >> THE ONE IN THE BACK CAN ONLY GO INTO THE LOWER LEVEL ONE, RIGHT? WHAT IS THE SIZE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOWER LEVEL APPROXIMATELY?

>> 900 FT.÷ . >> IS IT A ONE BEDROOM?

>> 600 FT.÷. AND THEN ABOVE WOULD BE 1200? AND THAT'S A TWO BEDROOM TWO BATH? IT'S AN INTERESTING DESIGN AND I WAS AFRAID THE ONLY ENTRANCE TO THE UPPER ONE WOULD BE THOSE STEPS BECAUSE THEY ARE KIND OF STEEP FOR SOME PEOPLE MAYBE BUT THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET IN. IT'S NOT A DEALBREAKER, I JUST THINK THAT'S A LOT OF STEPS IF YOU ARE TAKING SOME GROCERIES AND

OTHER STUFF UP . >> THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD IS, IN THE VIVA BENE , HOW MANY-- BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT LOWER PARKING WITH THE 1.25. HOW MANY OF THOSE UNITS ARE ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM? ARE THERE ANY THREE-BEDROOM?

>> APPROXIMATELY 55 - 60% WILL BE ONE BEDROOM AND THE REMAINING 40 WILL BE TWO BEDROOMS. THERE ARE NO THREE-BEDROOM UNITS. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WITH OUR RESIDENT BASE, NEARLY 65% OF THEM HISTORICALLY ARE SINGLE SO WE DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR ALL OF THE PARKING BASED ON THAT FACT.

>> OKAY THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. >> JONATHAN?

>> I REALLY LIKE THE DESIGN. I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE LOOKS GREAT. I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF EEPHUS THAT HAS BEEN USED PARTICULARLY ON VIVA BENE BUT OVERALL I THINK THE PRODUCT LOOKS GOOD. A COUPLE OF THINGS, SCREENING OF THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AND THAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE FOR THE COMMITTEE HEARING, THE DETAILS ON THE CONNECTION TO THE MONON GREENWAY THAT WAS NOTED BY

STAFF. >> DUBBIE?

>> I JUST WANT TO ECHO THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ON THE US 31 CORRIDOR ABOUT LANDSCAPING LOCKING . THAT'S A VERY BUSY CORRIDOR THROUGH THERE. SO I WOULD LIKE DETAIL ON THAT AND I KNOW THAT STAFF WILL HOLD FEET TO THE FIRE AND I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE FOR THE PUBLIC WHO MAY BE WATCHING WHEN YOU SEE A LIST OF 8 VARIANCES, AND ONE PRIMARY PLAT AMENDMENT , I JUST APPRECIATE TYING IT ALL TOGETHER AND MAKING SENSE BECAUSE IT IS MUCH EASIER TO HEAR IT EXPLAINED THAT IT IS FOR US TO READ, WHICH WE DO, BUT IT IS MUCH EASIER TO COMPREHEND WHEN IT IS VISUALLY EXPLAINED SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER. SHE'S GOT SOME QUESTIONS.

>> SORRY. I REALLY APOLOGIZE FOR THAT INTERRUPTION. MY INTERNET HIS BODY SO I HAD TO FIND A PLACE IN THE LOUDEST AREA. MY QUESTIONS ARE FOR THE AVENUE DEVELOPER . ONE OF MY QUESTIONS

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CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> SO WHAT TYPE OF PROJECT WOULD THIS BE?

>> VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN ST. PETER'S. FROM A CARE PERSPECTIVE THERE IS NO LICENSE CARE PROVIDED SO THIS IS TRULY 55+, INDEPENDENT LIVING IN THE MOST INDEPENDENT WAVEFORM.

>> OKAY, GREAT. AND JUST ANOTHER SIMPLE QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 10 YEARS, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> HOW MANY PROPERTIES DO YOU CURRENTLY STILL OWN? DO YOU OWN ALL ALL OF YOUR PRODUCTS OR DO YOU SELL THEM OFF? WHAT DO YOU DO?

>> I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF OUR PROPERTIES WE STILL OWN.

THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT WE DEVELOPED EARLY ON AS A DEVELOPER FOR SERVICE AND FEE SO WE DID NOT OWN THOSE PROPERTIES BUT MOST OF THE PROPERTIES WE HAVE TODAY WE STILL OWN. I WOULD

SAY IT'S 80%. >> THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE BUILDING A CARMEL YOU ARE INVESTED IN ZOCCOLA AND YOU WILL ON THE PRODUCT FOR A WHILE.

>> NOT TO JUMP IN HERE BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SOLIDIFIED OUR PARTNERSHIP. I THINK WE HAVE SIMILAR VIEWS AND VALUES WHEN IT COMES TO THAT SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING LONG-TERM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

>> I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHO I AM SUPPOSED TO ASK THIS QUESTION TO BUT I WILL ASK ANYWAY, DAN IS NOT BUILDING YOUR PROJECT, CORRECT? HE'S NOT THE ARCHITECT?

>> STUDIO DASHES OUR ARCHITECT, CORRECT.

>> I DON'T KNOW OF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME OR NOT BUT I'M GOING TO ASK ANYWAY, WITH THE REDUNDANCY ON THE 50' FOR THE FAÇADES OF THE BUILDING, IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU WANTED IT LONGER FOR LESS REDUNDANCY RATHER THAN MORE REDUNDANCY?

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SORRY. >> DAN CAN GET THAT. I'M NOT AN

ARCHITECT. >> HI DAN. LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. CAN YOU ASK ME AGAIN? THE LESS

REDUNDANCY VERSUS-- >> ONE OF YOUR VARIANCES STATED THAT YOU WANT TO-- AND CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? ONE OF THE VARIANCES THAT THE PETITIONER WAS ASKING, WAS TO HAVE 50' OF FAÇADE RATHER THAN THE LESSER -- CAN SOMEONE HELP ME WITH THE

LANGUAGE HERE? >> IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE REFERENCING? THE LONG FAÇADE ALONG THE MONON?

>> YES, THANK YOU. >> THE CHANGE IN DESIGN ALONG THE STREET OR IN THE CASE OF URBAN RESIDENTIAL, I GUESS ONE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL PREMISES THAT WE TRIED TO INCORPORATE IN ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS IS WHAT WE CALL KIND OF, THE MAGIC OF THREE. THREE MATERIALS, MORE MATERIALS IN A BUILDING WE THINK CAN TEND TO BECOME BUSY AND A LITTLE INCONGRUOUS SO AS YOU SEE IN MOST OF OUR DESIGNS WE TRY TO USE KIND OF THAT THREE MATERIAL COMBINATION. BUT, USE IT IN DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE BRIC COLUMNS AND HERE WE HAVE CHANGED THEM BUT STILL USING THE SAME FORM BUT NOT CHANGING THE MATERIAL. WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THIS APPROACH AND I THINK ALSO AS MENTIONED BY ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, LOOKING AT THE MATERIAL MIX AND SEEING IF THERE'S WAYS TO USE MATERIALS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. WE TRY TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER JUST FROM A VISUAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING .

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS, SHANNON? OKAY. MARK DO YOU HAVE ANY

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AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. TO THAT END IF YOU COULD BRING THE DRAWINGS OF WHAT MATERIALS YOU ARE USING , THAT WOULD BE REALLY DEVELOP -- THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. I THINK THE COMMITTEE IS PROBABLY BETTER WHERE WE HAVE ALL THE PLANTS IN FRONT OF US AND HAVE A MUCH MORE DETAILED CONVERSATION . ON THE HAMMERHEAD, IT SAYS YOU WILL HAVE TO REQUEST A WAIVER. WHEN YOU HAVE THAT LONG FAÇADE OF THE TOWNHOMES THERE IS A REQUEST ANYWAY TO BREAK UP THAT FAÇADE OF 8 TOWNHOMES. HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY THOUGHT ABOUT CHANGING THE DESIGN WHETHER IT IS A--

INSTEAD? IS THAT POSSIBLE? >> WE WILL ZOOM IN ON THIS ONE WHILE THEY FIND THE COLOR ONE WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE DISCREET DOES. ON THE SITE PLAN HERE IN OUR VIEW WE HAVE REALLY TERMINATED INTO THE ROAD , WE'VE DONE FIRE TRUCK AUTO TURN ON IT AND THEN YOU PROCEED PAST THIS ROUNDABOUT INTO OUR FINAL BUILDING. WE DON'T REALLY CONSIDER THIS A DEAD-END. WE CONSIDER THIS A PARKING LOT FOR THESE BUILDINGS. THIS IS OUR DEAD-END WHICH IS NOT A DEAD-END, IT'S A ROUNDABOUT AND I WOULD SAY SOME OF THE CONVERSATION WE STARTED WITH REGARDING THE UDO AND THE LIST OF VARIANCES, WE JUST DISCOVERED THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL GAPS AND I WOULD SAY THE RISK EXPOSURE TO US AS A PETITIONER, CITY STAFF IS DONE A GREAT JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE DOTTED THE EYES AND CROSSED THE TEASE. I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS VARIANCE REQUEST WAS NECESSARY BUT IT IS TO COVER ALL THE BASES FOR ALL PARTIES. SO I WOULD VIEW THIS AS THE END OF THE PRIVATE ROAD AND BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS STAY A PRIVATE ROAD THERE IS BENEFITS TO BEING A PUBLIC ROAD BECAUSE IT CONTINUES BEYOND THE ROUNDABOUT. WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO FOLLOW STAFF REQUEST TO MAKE IT A VARIANCE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. OUR ENGINEERS ARE NOT HERE BUT WILL BE AT COMMITTEE SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ASK BECAUSE THEY WILL WANT TO KNOW ABOUT STORM WATER RETENTION THAT YOU WILL BE TAKING OFF-SITE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF KEYSTONE. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WAS READ IN THE REPORT IF THAT'S CORRECT. SO I KNOW TO BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THAT ON THE WATER QUALITY TESTING. I KNOW THAT JEFF AND ADAM WILL WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. I DO HAVE SORT OF A BIG PICTURE QUESTION ON THE DESIGN. SO THE FIRST PART OF THE NORTH END HAS THAT MODERN FARMHOUSE LOOK AND THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO GO TOGETHER UNTIL YOU PULLED UP THE WHOLE SITE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M LIKE, IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT KIND OF GOES TOGETHER. SO I'M CURIOUS ON WHAT YOUR THOUGHT WAS GOING A DIFFERENT ROUTE WITH THE DESIGN AND IF YOU COULD BRING THAT PICTURE AGAIN THAT SHOWS THE WHOLE SITE TOGETHER SO WE CAN SEE HOW IT ALL FITS TOGETHER, I WOULD APPRECIATE

THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. I PROBABLY SHOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I PROBABLY HAD THE BIGGEST INFLUENCE IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE WENT. WE WENT FOR A MODERN FARMHOUSE LOOK WITH THE TOWNHOME PRODUCT FOR PHASE I BUT I WOULD SAY WE HAVE THROWN OUT THIS TERM TRANSITIONAL WHICH IS A DIFFERENT WAY OF SAYING MODERN FOR THE THREE EXISTING APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN PHASE I. I THINK THEY HAVE MATERIALS WE HAVE USED BUT I WOULD NOT SAY THOSE THREE DOMINANT BUILDINGS ARE IN ANY WAY A MODERN FARMHOUSE. I THINK THEY ARE A MORE MODERN STYLE AND THEY HAVE KIND OF THE SHED ROOF DETAIL ON EACH OF THE END CAPS.

WHAT I THINK THE THEME OVERALL IS THAT WE HAVE THE SAME MATERIALS AND WE HAVE KEPT THAT SAME MATERIAL CONCEPT GOING IN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WHICH ARE ALL CUSTOMIZED TO THE PURCHASER

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>> I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION AND ALSO THE BOTTOM LEVEL, GOT GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS. THAT IS UNUSUAL. MY SON HAS LIVED IN ONE OF THOSE IN CHICAGO AND THAT WAS NOT THE WINDOW VIEW. IT WAS MORE OF A STREET VIEW SO THAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND LOOKS MUCH BETTER THAN YOUR TYPICAL ONE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> WITH THE GUIDANCE OF COUNCIL , I MOVE THAT THE PRIMARY PLAT AMENDMENT THE TWO DOCKET ITEMS AND THE ZONING VARIANCES AS PRESENTED THE ASSIGNED TO

COMMITTEE. >> SECOND.

>> AND RETURNED BACK TO THE FULL PLAN COMMISSION.

>> RETURN FOR FINAL APPROVAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SENDING ALL OF THESE DOCKETS TO COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW, PLEASE SAY I. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE WE WILL SEE YOU APRIL 1.

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