May 06, 2025 Carmel Plan Commission

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TUESDAY, MAY 6, CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION AS A WHOLE. YOU KNOW

[1. Docket No. PZ-2025-00011 ADLS Amend: The Lifestyle Group Exterior Remodel]

ADLS AMEND, THE LIFESTYLE GROUP REMODEL.

>> EVENING EVERY ONE. HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING? MY NAME IS GEOFF HOREN AND MY COMPANY IS THE LIFESTYLE GROUP. HAVE HAD THE COMPANY FOR 26 YEARS AND I AM A CARMEL RESIDENT AND HAVE HAD MY EYE ON TRYING TO MOVE SOMETHING CLOSER TO HOME AND GET A SECOND LOCATION UP HERE FOR PROBABLY THE PAST SIX YEARS OR SO. AND FINALLY FOUND A BUILDING. AND SO I WILL PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING O DO, IF IT IS OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL DO IS WE WANT TO, IN GENERAL, EXPAND THE VISUAL PRESENCE OF THE BUILDING AND KIND OF REVITALIZE IT. I WILL SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS AT HERE. WE WANT TO MAKE A REMODELING SHOW ROOM, KIND OF OPENED UP THE VIEWS AND MAKE IT CONFORM A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE RANGELINE OVERLAY DISTRICT.

A LOT OF GLASS. THE LOCATION OF THIS, TO GET YOU ACQUAINTED, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IS THE CITY CENTER ROUNDABOUT . WE ARE SITUATED PERFECTLY BETWEEN THE ACE HARDWARE AND SHERMAN WILLIAMS. WHICH IS RELATIVELY FITTING FOR A REMODELING COMPANY. I WOULD THINK. MOST PEOPLE, AT LEAST, KNOW WHERE THE ACE HARDWARE IS, FOR SURE. AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANT TO KIND OF OPENED UP THE VIEW IS IF YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN RANGELINE ROAD LIKE I HAVE FOR YEARS, THIS IS A BUILDING YOU ESSENTIALLY MISS, YOU DO NOT EVEN SEE IT. YOU DO NOT KNOW IT IS THERE. I CALL IT THE BELL TOWERS FROM "BACK TO THE FUTURE." THAT FLANK SHERMAN WILLIAMS AND THE DEVELOPING STATION THERE. YOUR EYES GO WHEN YOU SEE THOSE AND THEN YOU IMMEDIATELY CEASE AND THE EIGHT IMMEDIATELY SEE CITY CENTER, WHICH IS FANTASTIC. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO USE IT FOR. WE JUST UPDATED. BEING A RESIDENTIAL REMODELER, THE BUILDING, AS I WILL SHOW A NAME MOMENT, THERE IS A CLOSER VIEW OF THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY. IT IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF RANGELINE AND WINONA. BUT THE BUILDING, OOPS, IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE. IT WAS A LAW FIRM FOR MANY YEARS AND THEN IN ENGINEERING COMPANY USED AT THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO LEAVE US EVERY LAW BOOK SINCE 1998 IN THE BUILDING. SO WE STILL HAVE THE LAW LIBRARY TO TEND TO. SO IF ANYBODY IS NEEDING LAW BOOKS, WE HAVE SEVERAL. AND, SO THIS IS THE BUILDING AS YOU SEE IT TODAY. AND THIS IS A SIDE VIEW OF THE BUILDING. I SHOW THIS VIEW JUST BECAUSE AS I HAVE WORKED WITH THE FOLKS IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, PLANNING AND ZONING, CHRISTINE IN PARTICULAR, THIS CABLE YOU SEE RIGHT THERE IS WHERE WE WILL TRY TO INCORPORATE SOME SIGNAGE AND WORK WITH THEM. IT IS THE ONLY FUNCTIONAL PLACE ON THE BUILDING THAT WE COULD GET ANYTHING. SO WORKING WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT THEY ASKED US TO, AS YOU ARE HEADING SOUTH ON RANGELINE , WE ARE HOPING MAYBE PEOPLE WILL PICK UP THE VISUAL SIGNAGE THERE. AND THEN THERE IS A MONUMENT SIGN IN THE YARD THAT SERVES AS THE SECOND SIGN, GIVEN IT IS ON THE CORNER AND WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE TWO SIGNS. THAT GIVES YOU A VISUAL OF THE BUILDING AND I WILL CIRCLE BACK TO THIS PICTURE MAYBE IN A FEW MINUTES. THIS IS THE SURVEY OF THE BUILDING AND I AM GOING TO FOCUS ON THIS JUST FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE WERE VERY FEW REQUIREMENTS OR REQUESTS THAT THE CITY HAD OF US. AND WE ARE HAPPY, HAPPY TO MEET THOSE. ONE IN PARTICULAR WAS, CAN WE PUT A DOOR ON THE RANGELINE ROAD SIDE AND A SIDEWALK ON THE SIDE THAT THEY REFER TO AS THE MULTILANE PATH. WHEN I SHOW YOU IN A MOMENT THE PICTURE OF THE ELEVATION, WHAT I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO, I HATE STICKING MY FINGER ON THE SCREEN, BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU, THE FRONT AREA WHERE THE WINDOW IS THAT IS CENTERED TODAY, THAT IS WHERE WE WILL BRING A SIDEWALK STRAIGHT IN FROM THE RANGELINE ROAD SIDEWALK. STREET

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BUT WE HAVE GOT THEM IN A PLACE SETTLED FOR THEM AND WE WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SPACING AND EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY WANTS ON THAT. WE HAVE WORKED WITH CHRISTINE AND THOSE GUYS ON THAT. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT JUST THE CONCEPT OF THE PATIO, THE SIDEWALK COMING IN, THE REQUESTS WERE NOT OVERWHELMING ON THAT PIECE. BUT THAT WAS ONE THING THAT THEY ASKED SO WE RECONFIGURED THINGS ON THE INTERIOR TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

>> SO, THE TOP LEFT VISUAL IS THE RANGELINE ROAD VIEW THAT WE ARE PROBABLY MOST FOCUSED ON. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DOOR, THE LOCATION OF THE SIDEWALK IN THAT AREA. TO THE LEFT OF THE GABLE WILL BE WHERE THE PATIO WILL BE ON THE BIKE RACKS WILL BE AND THE SIDEWALK WILL COME STRAIGHT IN THERE. THERE ARE OBSTACLES ON THE PROPERTY WITH JUST UTILITIES AND TREES. WE WERE KEEPING THE MATURE TREES. THERE IS A LOT GOING ON BUT WE HAVE A STRAIGHT PATH RIGHT TO THAT DOOR AND WE THINK IT KIND OF TALKS NICELY INTO THE EXISTING GABLE, JUST TO THE LEFT THERE OF THE CENTER SECTION. TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT LOOKS NICE AND A LOT OF VIEW. WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE, MARVIN WINDOWS HAS PARTNERED WITH US. AND IS WORKING WITH US JUST TO SHOW IT. SO EVEN THOUGH IT WILL HAVE A STOREFRONT VIEW, IT WILL BE A RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT, WHICH WILL HELP US IN OUR PRODUCT TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT YOU CAN DO AND OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE MANY, MANY PROJECTS WITH LOTS OF BIG WINDOWS THESE DAYS. WE WILL BE ABLE TO DISPLAY THAT.

I WILL SHOW YOU THIS IS JUST THE ACTIVE TO THE PARKING LOT.

NOTHING SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THAT, WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANY LOCATIONS WITH WINDOWS OR DOORS TO ANY EXTENT. WE ARE JUST UPDATING TO MAKE IT LOOK NICER. THE TOP DRAWING HERE IS THE VIEW FROM , I WILL SEE IF YOU ARE IN THE ACE HARDWARE PARKING LOT AND LOOKING ACROSS AT THE BUILDING. SO, IF I CAN JUMP BACK FOR ONE MOMENT JUST TO GIVE YOU THE VISUAL. SO I AM GOING TO POINT AT THAT PARTICULAR SET OF WINDOWS THERE. AND I JUST WANT YOU TO HAVE THE VISUAL OF WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE. THAT IS GOING TO BE THIS AREA HERE. SO, A LOT OF GLASS IN THAT FRONT CORNER AS YOU COME DOWN RANGELINE ROAD TO SEE INTO THE SPACE. AND I HAVE KIND OF GONE THROUGH ALL OF THESE THINGS WITH CHRISTINE AND THEIR TEAM TO GET THE INTERNAL BLESSING TO THIS POINT. AND THEN JUST BRIEFLY, I WILL DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE BOTTOM DRAWING.

THAT IS THE VIEW FROM THE SHERWIN WILLIAMS SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS REALLY NOT VISIBLE MUCH AT ALL. WE ARE NOT CHANGING WINDOW OPENINGS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. WE ARE REPLACING THEM. WE ARE ELIMINATING ONE WINDOW HERE THAT IS A SINGLE CENTER WINDOW ON THAT SIDE. THAT IS MOSTLY FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE INSIDE SPACE ON THAT WALL AND WE WILL HAVE PLENTY OF BRICK TO PATCH IN AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE. THIS IS REALLY HARD TO SEE, I APOLOGIZE, I HAVE A BIG COPY AND I AM NOT SURE THAT ANY OF YOU CARE TO SPEND MUCH TIME ON IT. BUT, AGAIN WITH CHRISTINA AND HER TEAM, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN . THE BIGGER CIRCLES ARE THE TREES ON THE PROPERTIES. YOU CAN SEE SOME THINGS WE ARE WORKING AROUND. THIS AREA RIGHT THERE TO BE RIGHT, THAT IS THE RANGELINE ROAD VIEW. SO WE ARE ESSENTIALLY DOING LANDSCAPING TO THAT FACE AND INTO THE SIDE ON THE ACE HARDWARE SIDE. THERE IS NOTHING REALLY TO BE DONE ON THE BACKSIDE, THERE IS LIKE THE BRICK WALL ON THE SHERWIN WILLIAMS SIDE THAT COMES ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE PROPERTY. THERE IS PROBABLY NOT 10, 15, 20 FEET ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. WE WILL NOT DO ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE THERE. BE BACK WILL REMAIN AS IT IS BECAUSE IT IS PARKING LOT AND SIDEWALK. AND THIS IS JUST THE QUICK VISUAL SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT I CHECKED, POPES, THAT I CHECKED ON THE BIKE RACKS BEFORE WE ORDERED

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I JUST INCLUDED THIS SO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WE KNOW WE WILL SPECIFICALLY SPACE THE BIKE RACKS AND LAY THEM OUT THE WAY YOU WILL WANT THEM ON THE PATIO. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU, FOR THE RECORD, CHRISTINA JESSE, CARMEL PLANNING AND ZONING. THE PRESENTER DID A VERY GOOD JOB AT THE OVERVIEW OF THIS PROJECT. THIS IS AN EXTERIOR MODEL OF IN AN EXISTING BUILDING. WE ARE HERE BECAUSE IT IS ON THE RANGELINE ROAD BUSINESS DISTRICT. INCLUDING REMOVING SHUTTERS, A LARGE WINDOWS AND DOORS, PROVIDING THE ENTRANCE FROM THE FRONT FACADE, ENHANCING LANDSCAPING THAT EXIST MECH THERE TODAY, ADDING BIKE PARKING THAT IS NOT THERE TODAY. UPGRADING THE EXISTING SIGN, ADDING A NEW WALL SIGN, AND THE POST-ENTRANCE TO THE MULTIUSE PATH ALONG RIDGELINE ROAD. THE CHANGES TO COMPLY WITH THE ARCHITECTURE STANDARDS AND WITH THAT THE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ITEM TONIGHT, CONTINGENT UPON FINALIZING ANY COMMENTS AND PROJECT DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU.

>> WE WILL OPEN TO THE COMMITTEE. QUESTIONS, COMETH.

-- COMMENTS. >> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, THE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK AND THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. I AM ASSUMING YOU GO OFF OF WINONA. IS THERE ANYTHING BEING CHANGED? THE SIGNAGE. PEOPLE WILL KNOW AS THEY ARE GOING DOWN RANGELINE ROAD. JUST A LITTLE BIT ON PARKING ACCESS.

>> THE PARKING, YES, SO THE PARKING LOT ON THE BACK HAS 17 SPOTS AND KIND OF TAKES UP THE WHOLE PART , THE WHOLE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY. FOR THE MOST PART. I THINK UNLESS YOU TURN ON WINONA , YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY AT ALL.

RIGHT? THERE ARE A COUPLE ENTRANCES THERE FROM A PARKING PERSPECTIVE. THERE IS AN ACCESSIBILITY RAMP ALREADY THERE FROM THE LAW FIRM DAYS, WHEN IT WAS BUILT ORIGINALLY.

FORTUNATELY WITH THE BUILDING BEING TO 1988, IT IS NEW ENOUGH THAT THEY TOOK CARE OF MANY OF THOSE THINGS. I AM UNCERTAIN ON WHETHER WE WILL MODIFY OR TOUCH UP ANYTHING BACK THERE. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE DONE. I DO THINK GETTING THE RANGELINE ROAD DOOR AND ACCESS GIVES US ANOTHER ACCESSIBILITY ENTRANCE, SO IT GIVES US TWO. AND RIGHT NOW IN THE BUILDING THERE ARE ONLY TWO ENTRANCES. SO I AM GOING TO USE THIS , SO YOU CANNOT EXACTLY SEE IT BUT THERE IS AN ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE THAT TUCKS UNDER A ROOF. IF YOU COULD JUST PICTURE THE GABLE CONTINUING ON, LIKE A LITTLE COVERED PORCH. THAT IS THE PRIMARY OFFICE ENTRANCE I THINK THEY HAVE USED OVER THE YEARS.

THEN THERE WAS AN ENTRANCE, THE ACCESSIBILITY ENTRANCE, THE ENTRANCE ON THE BACK THAT I AM GUESSING IS JUST FOR STAFF, A SINGLE DOOR WITH A VERY SMALL COVERED AREA. I AM NOT ANTICIPATING DOING MUCH OF ANYTHING WITH THAT. IF WE DO IT WILL BE TAKEN OUT AND THEN PUT BACK EXACTLY AS IS. BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TWO ACCESSIBILITY ENTRANCES. AND IF I THROW THIS BACK UP FOR JUST A MOMENT, THIS IS A BIG 12 FOOT DOOR. THE MIDDLE PARTS OPEN UP. WE WILL SHOW, GET MORE OF YOU IN BUT SHOW A PROJECT THAT WE USE, RIGHT? AND OPEN A PROJECT A. I THINK THAT HELPS US IN TERMS OF GIVING, I WANT ACCESSIBILITY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE IT. AND WE WILL DO AGENT PLACED HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY REMODELING. EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING IN THIS BUILDING WE ARE TRYING TO SHOWCASE SOMETHING WE DO ANYWAY.

SO IT WILL GIVE US A CHANCE TO DO THAT. YOU ARE WELCOME.

>> WHILE YOU HAVE THAT UP, CAN YOU JUST POINT TO WHERE THE

SIGNAGE IS INTENDED TO GO? >> YES, ON THE BUILDING ITSELF IT WILL GO ON THIS PARTICULAR GABLE RIGHT HERE.

>> YES, OUR SIGN PERMIT SPECIALIST ALICIA SHALIT DID MAKE SURE THAT THE SIGNAGE DOES MEET ALL SIGN REQUIREMENTS.

>> I ACTUALLY HAVE NO QUESTIONS, THIS WAS PRETTY, PRETTY GREAT.

IF THERE IS NO MORE DISCUSSION THAN I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS, PENDING ANY OUTSTANDING ITEMS. SORRY.

TO BE ADDRESSED AND PROJECT DOCUMENTS. SORRY. LONG NIGHT

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LAST NIGHT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

>> AYE. >> OPPOSED?

>> MOTION CARRIES. >> THANK YOU.

[2. Docket No. PZ-2024-00222 PUD: US 421-WCD PUD Rezone.]

>> OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. WHICH IS DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2024-00222 PUD U.S. 421-WCD PUD REZONE. JOHN?

>> I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF I NEED TO READ THE REST. THE APPLICANT SEEKS PUD REZONE APPROVAL TO ALLOW A NEW HUNDRED 60 UNIT APARTMENT COMMUNITY WITH COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL USES ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 9998 NORTH MICHIGAN ROAD AND IS ZONED I-ONE INDUSTRIAL WITH IN THE U.S. 421 CORRIDOR OVERLAY. FILED BY JIM SHE NEVER .

>> WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. EDWARD ROSE.

I WANTED TO START OUT WITH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, A FEW OUTSTANDING CONCERNS THEY HAVE REMAINING. THERE WILL SEVERAL ITEMS, NINE OF WHICH WE WERE INCLUDED ON HERE, OF REPORT FROM LAST COMMITTEE. AND I WANTED TO WALK THROUGH AND ADDRESS THOSE.

AND WE CAN UTILIZE THE EXHIBITS, AS WELL AS THE REDLINE COPY UNDER TAB NINE OF YOUR BROCHURE, TO WALK THROUGH AND EXTREME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE ITEMS THAT WERE ADDRESSED AND DO NOT APPEAR IN THE REPORT BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONGER OUTSTANDING, BUT NEW INFO THAT IS INCLUDED AND THEY ARE IN LINE SPECIFICALLY TO THE ARCHITECTURE, BICYCLE PARKING, AND ADDITIONAL STANDARDS FOR AREA B. THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN THE LAST 30 DAYS AND WORKING CLOSELY WITH STAFF AND ADDRESSING SEVERAL ITEMS. THOSE ARE ENUMERATED AND OUTLINED WITH HAVE ONE OF YOUR BROCHURE, THEY WOULD INCLUDE IN SUMMARY, A REVISED STREET AND DRIVE PLAN, WHICH I WILL SHOW YOU. A MATERIALLY REVISED PEDESTRIAN PLAN. AND THE GATHERING AREA, ADJACENT TO THE WOODS. IN ADDITION WE HAVE GONE TO GREAT LENGTH IN SPECIFYING WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL AREA ALONG OR 21, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT APPL THE STANDARDS OF THE OVERLAY.

AND THEN THE UPDATED ORDINANCE RESTRICTING USES IN THAT AREA, ADDING SPECIFICITY , IT INCREASING THE WOODED AREA, ADDING LONG-TERM BIKE PARKING, REVITALIZING THE STREET AND PARKING PLAN, AS WELL AS ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. SO IF WE COULD UTILIZE THE REDLINE AND WE CAN WALK THROUGH THE REDLINE COPY AND THEN STAND UP -- STOP WHERE THERE ARE CHANGES IN I CAN EXPLAIN THOSE AS WE MOVE ALONG. WHERE THERE IS JUST UPDATES THAT ARE NOT SUBSTANTIVE, I WILL NOT STOP THERE AND USE THAT EXPEDITION. BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS FIRST SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, THE OUTLINE, THE TEXT IN BLUE HERE. IT AT THE ADDITIONAL USES THAT ARE RESTRICTED OR PROHIBITED, THAT ARE PERMITTED TODAY UNDER THE UNDERLYING ZONING THAT WOULD NOT APPEAR THERE. THINGS LIKE A KENNEL, EQUIPMENT SALES, REPAIR, AUTOMOBILE SALES, THINGS THAT DO NOT REALLY CONFORM TO THE TYPE OF DESTINATION, THE TYPE OF RETAIL THAT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED IN THAT SPACE. AND IF WE HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES I WILL HAND OUT ANOTHER EXHIBIT OUT OF THE BROCHURE THAT LOOKS AT DIFFERENT POTENTIAL LAYOUTS OF THAT SPACE.

ONE THAT STAFF HAD IDENTIFIED IS REMAINING FOR US TO CONSIDER.

ANOTHER ITEM, I CAN GO OVER ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT STAFF ASKED TO CONSIDER, THERE IS THE EXISTING GLOBE ARTWORK ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD. THE DEVELOPER CANNOT COMMIT THAT IT WILL BE INCORPORATED TO THE DESIGN, THEY WILL CONSIDER IT AND SEE HOW THEY CAN INCORPORATE IT TO THE DESIGN. IN THE EVENT THEY CANNOT INCORPORATE IT INTO THE DESIGN, THEY WOULD MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THE CITY. IF THE CITY WERE TO ACQUIRE IT AND IF THE CITY WAS NOT INCLINED TO ACCEPT IT, THEY WOULD MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER ART RELATED BASED ENTITY INTERESTED IN AND EDWARD ROSE WANTS TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE.

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>> ANOTHER ITEM THAT IS IN THE UD OH AS A RECOMMENDATION, STAFF ASKED FOR EDWARD ROSE'S CONSIDERATION TO MAKE IT STANDARD. SO IN THE UDO, FOR THE RECOMMENDATION, WE ARE ADDING THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE REAL ESTATE. AND SO NOTED.

ANOTHER ELEMENT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON WITH STAFF WAS REGARDING PATH AND ROAD CONNECTIVITY. THIS IS A REVISION THAT SHOWS WHICH ELEMENTS ARE EXISTING TODAY IN TERMS OF ALONG RETAIL PARKWAY, THERE IS EXISTING PATHS, ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD THERE IS THE EXISTING PATH. AND THEN THE BLUE STAR NOTATIONS ON THE PLAN, WHERE THERE IS GOING TO BE PUBLIC PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES. WE JUST LOOKED AT THE WOODED AREA BACK HERE. A PLAZA SPACE IN THE RETAIL AREA. THE ROOFTOP ELEMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED THERE. IN THE AREA WITH THE POOL. AND THE OTHER AMENITIES IN THE VICINITY THERE. BUT THE SPECIFIES HERE IS THE CROSSWALKS, HERE ARE ALL THE SIDEWALKS VERSUS PATHWAYS, EXTENDING THROUGH THE SITE. ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM , CROSSWALKS STAFF HAS CALLED IT OUT AS BRICK PAVERS. THE INTENT OF THAT, THE NOTATION ON THE PLANS, IT IS COLORED CONCRETE AND HAS A LOT MORE LONGEVITY. THERE IS A LOT LESS MAINTENANCE AREAS WITH COLORED CONCRETE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. IT IS NOT THAT THEY COULD NOT DO OTHER ELEMENTS. COLORED CONCRETE HAS A BETTER SHELFLIFE. IS CONCRETE, NOT ASPHALT. IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH OTHER TIMES, THERE IS APPLICATIONS WHERE IT IS A STAMPED ASPHALT AND THAT WILL WEAR OUT OVER TIME WITH SNOWPLOWING THAT WE HAVE TO DO HERE. AND TREATMENT FOR DIFFERENT WEATHER SITUATIONS. BUT A COLORED CONCRETE IS GOING TO WEATHER BETTER. AND EDWARD ROSE IS AGREEABLE TO ADDING THAT TO THE ORDINANCE. OTHER ELEMENTS RIGHT HERE IN REGARDS TO PRIVATE DRIVES. YOU WILL SEE IN THE ORDINANCE, ORIGINALLY WE HAVE THE CROSS-SECTION FOR THE STREET AND STAFF ASKED US, HEY, CAN WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT? THEY ALSO OBTAINED INPUT, AND WE DID, FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTED TO SEE A CERTAIN LANE WITH. SO WE VETTED THAT OUT AND CAME UP WITH THE FINAL DESIGN FOR THE BOULEVARD SECTION THAT RUNS ALONG THE MAIN DRIVE HRE. AND THEN IN THIS LOCATION, IT IS SATISFACTORY TO BOTH DOCS AND CARMEL FIRE DEPARTMENT. ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT ITEM ADDRESSED AT THE LAST MEETING, AND EDWARD ROSE AGREED TO, IS HERE, PAGE 12. IT SPEAKS TO OUR OBLIGATION TO SEEK APPROVAL THROUGH THE STATE AND PARTNERING WITH THE CITY FOR A CROSSWALK AT 99TH OR RETAIL PARKWAY, THAT WOULD CROSS SKIN ROAD. CURRENTLY THE CITY IS UNDER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STATE. THEY HAVE ADDED ONE AT

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THIS IS ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE MULTIFAMILY SPACE. IS ABOUT THREE OR FOUR PAGES LONG. STAFF SAID WE WANT WRITTEN STANDARDS THAT REFLECT THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT YOU SHOW IN THE EXHIBITS. SO WHILE THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THAT, THERE IS ALSO ARCHITECTURAL WRITTEN STATEMENTS TO BACK THAT UP, SO THAT THERE ARE GUARDRAILS AGAINST REVIEW FOR AP ADL S. ULTIMATELY WE WOULD RETURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE FUTURE WITH A NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING WITH DEVELOP IT AND ADL S, AND THESE WOULD BE THE STANDARD SETBACK OF THE IMAGES THAT ARE PART OF THE ORDINANCE. SO YOU CAN SEE ONE, TWO, THREE PAGES OF THOSE STANDARDS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE ORDINANCE. THIS WAS THE REMOVAL OF THE ORIGINAL, THE CROSS-SECTION, AND THEN THE ADDITION OF ONE WHICH IS MUCH MORE ENGINEERING ORIENTED. IT SPECIFIES FOR WHAT WE WOULD RETURN BACK WITH WITH THE NORTH-SOUTH AND EAST-WEST BOULEVARD TREATMENT. ANOTHER SECTION, THIS ADDRESSES THE LAST ELEMENT THAT STAFF ASKED US TO CONSIDER. THE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE RELATED TO AREA B, AND HELP FACILITATE THAT DISCUSSION. ASSUMING POTENTIALLY THAT INAUDIBLE ] THAT. YES, TAB EIGHT, THAT THE THREE EXHIBITS ARE PROVIDED UNDER. AND ALL OF THE STANDARDS, THERE ARE SEVEN DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE. THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT STANDARDS WITH THE FOR 20 OVERLAY STANDARDS. THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE LAYOUTS. THE REASON WE PROVIDED THREE LAYOUTS IS EDWARD ROSE IS A DEVELOPER OF MULTIFAMILY SPACES. THEY WILL MAKE THIS COMMERCIAL AREA AVAILABLE TO A RETAIL COMMERCIAL PARTNER THAT WILL COME FORWARD. STAFF WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDED THE TEXT IN THE EXHIBITS SO THAT ANYONE THAT

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THAT IS WHAT I WAS SHOWING YOU THAT WAS TEXT. THERE IS ONE PAGE OF TEXT AND THEN BEHIND THE PAGE OF TEXT WE WOULD HAVE AS ITEM 9 THAT THE FOLLOWING THREE PAGES INCLUDE EXAMPLES OF THE LAYOUT OF AREA B, THAT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE PUD AND ARE NOT REQUIRING SITE PLANS. THE REASON IS THAT THESE ARE THREE IDEAS THAT WE BELIEVE IT MIGHT LAYOUT AS BUT THESE EXHIBITS DO NOT ESTABLISH REQUIREMENTS. THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THE TEXT TO THE ORDINANCE AND THE STANDARDS THAT HAVE TO BE MET BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING, EDWARD ROSE IS TAKING A STAB AT WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS WE HAVE WRITTEN IN THE TEXT. SO THAT IT MAY BE THAT IT ENDS UP LIKE THIS, OR IT MAY BE THAT THE SECOND EXAMPLE, IT WOULD BE TWO BUILDINGS WITH THE PLAZA SPACE LOCATED HERE. OR IT COULD BE THAT TWO BUILDINGS ARE PULLED MOSER TO TURN 23 WITH THE PLAZA SPACE AND THEN THE INTERNAL INACTION THAT CREATES THE SITE LINE, AS I TALKED EARLIER WITH THE VIEW LOOKING WEST, THE VIEW LOOKING EAST, AND DETERMINING THE PUBLIC SPACE BETWEEN THESE TWO BUILDINGS.

THESE ARE JUST THREE EXAMPLES OF MANY DIFFERENT ITERATIONS ON HOW THAT WOULD LAYOUT. THEY CAPTURE THE ESSENCE OF WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THAT TEXT. TO GO OVER IN DETAIL THAT TEXT, THE LAYOUT FOR AREA B, INCLUDING WALKABLE DESIGN ADJACENT TO THE APARTMENTS AND AREA A, AND ITEM THAT STAFF ASKED US TO ADD.

LAYOUT FOR AREA B SHOWED CONNECTIVITY TO THE ADJACENT APARTMENTS. ALL THREE OF THE EXHIBITS SHOW THAT WITH THE PLAZA SPACE. DEPENDING ON WHICH LUSTRATION. IN THE LAYOUT FOR AREA B, THIS IS IMPORTANT, ITEM 3, IT REPRESENTS WHAT WE HAVE SHOWN YOU IN THESE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. A BUILDING LAYOUT HERE, ADJACENT TO THE PLAZA. A LAYOUT SHOWN HERE, WHERE IT COULD BE TWO BUILDINGS. PULLED UP TO THE INTERIOR RIGHT AWAY. AND AN ADDITIONAL WHERE IT IS PULLED UP TO MICHIGAN ROAD WITH THE PLAZA INTERVENING IN BETWEEN. THOSE WERE SITUATIONS DESCRIBED IN ITEM NUMBER THREE. ITEM NUMBER FOUR WAS A PROHIBITION OF A SINGLE USE HAVING A DRIVE THROUGH. STAFF WAS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE PROHIBITION. AND WE ADDED THE EXTERNAL SPECIFICITY AND THAT THE DRIVE-THROUGH WOULD ONLY BE PERMITTED IF THE DRIVER IS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE WOULD HAVE TO SHOW A LAYOUT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS SATISFIED WITH IN THE FUTURE THAT DID NOT INTERFERE WITH THE LAYOUT OF THE PLAZA SPACE. THAT HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION. LIKEWISE, THIS PLAZA SPACE THAT IS SHOWN ORIGINALLY PROPOSED IT WAS 2000 SQUARE-FOOT IN AREA. STAFF ASKED US TO CONSIDER A LARGER PLAZA AREA AND EDWARD ROSE AGREED TO INCREASE TO 6500 SQUARE FEET , RATHER THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET. AND SPECIFICITY REGARDING THE POSITIONING OF THE PLAZA AND INTEGRATING IT INTO THE CONNECTION OVER TO THE EAST-WEST BOULEVARD, THAT IS ALSO PROVIDED WITHIN THE SECTION. IDENTIFYING THAT THE PLAZA SHALL INCLUDE SEATING ON THE TABLES, OTHER AMENITIES. AND THEN GAVE A LIST OF SUCH THINGS SUCH AS TABLE TENNIS, CORN HOLE, HOOK AND RING GAME, THINGS LIKE THAT. SOME OF THE THINGS YOU CAN SEE TODAY IN A LARGER SCALE AT THE CENTRAL PARK AREA THERE IN FRONT OF SUN KING. DIFFERENT ELEMENTS LIKE THAT. THAT PEOPLE HAVE FOCUSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING WHEN THEY APPROACH OR SIT IN THAT SPACE, OTHER THAN JUST VISIT THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE IN THE VICINITY. AND AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF THE PLAZA WILL BE ENCLOSED WITH THE BUILDING FACADE. THAT IS IDENTIFIED HERE. FOR A SINGLE BUILDING ENCLOSURE ON SOUTH AND NORTH SIDE, AND THEN AGAIN ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE WITH THE ENCLOSURE. SO WITH REGARD TO THE THREE OUTSTANDING ITEMS, I ADDRESSED THEM THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. BUT THEN AGAIN, THEY ARE , WELL REGARDING THE GLOBAL ART, IT WILL ADDRESS THAT AND ADD THAT TEXT AND SPECIFICITY IN SECTION 4.2 3D.

WE WILL ID3 EXHIBITS, THE THREE EXAMPLES TO EXHIBIT H. WE WILL PROVIDE LANGUAGE AND ORDINANCE. AND THEN THE LANGUAGE PROVIDING THE COLORED CONCRETE. AND SO WE DO NOT HAVE TO ALL RIGHT FEVERISHLY, I HAVE THAT ON PAPER SO I CAN PROVIDE STAFF A COPY AND WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING IN EVENT THAT THE STAFF WAS READY TO CONSIDER RECORDATION TONIGHT. TO FORWARD THE MATTER BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION. AND WITH THAT I CONCLUDE. I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE

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COMMITTEE MAY HAVE . >> THANK YOU, JON. APARTMENT?

>> THANK YOU, FOR THE RECORD, ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TO ADD TO WHAT JON SAID. HE WENT OVER ALL THE CHANGES THEY HAVE MADE SINCE THE VERY FIRST VERSION OF THIS PUD. AND A LOT OF THE CHANGES THAT WE REQUESTED AS WELL AS THE NEW EXHIBITS AND THE REMAINING THREE ITEMS THAT WE HAD IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT HAS COME ALONG WAY. THEY HAVE ADDED THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND THEY HAVE PENALIZED THAT BOULEVARD CROSS-SECTION FOR THE THE STREETS THAT GO THROUGH. THEY WILL BE COMMITTING TO WORKING ON THE CROSSWALK ACROSS 23. THEY INCREASED THE SIZE OF THE TREE PRESERVATION AREA, AS WELL AS THE PLAZA IN THE RETAIL AREA, THEY ADDED THE STANDARDS WHICH I THINK WILL HELP WITH THAT LAYOUT IN THE FUTURE SO WE GET MORE OF THAT UNIQUE RETAIL SPACE THERE. AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THE OVERLAY MIGHT REQUIRE OR ALLOW. WHICH MIGHT BE A STRIP CENTER BUILDING WITH MAYBE TWO ROSA PARKING OUT FRONT. AND ONE OF OUR BIG THINGS, THAT WAS A REMAINING ITEM, TO GET SOME OF THE CONCEPT PLANS IN THE PUD SO THAT THERE WAS A VISUAL AND WE HAD SOMETHING WHEN A NEW DEVELOPER CAME THROUGH FOR THAT AREA. TO SHOW THEM. TO SAY THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE ARE THINKING. YOU KNOW? HOW CAN WE GET TO THIS? AND EVEN BETTER IF POSSIBLE. AND THEY ARE WILLING TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE PUD, WHICH IS GREAT. WE RECOMMEND THAT THIS GO BACK TO THE FULL PLAN COMMISSION, CONDITION UPON SEEING THOSE THREE CHANGES THEY MENTIONED.

YES, WE RECOMMEND YOU VOTE FAVORABLY ON THIS , THIS

EVENING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COMMITTEE. I AM SEEING A LOT OF NOTES BEING TAKEN. GO AHEAD, SUE.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. ONE WAS THE CO-WORKING AMENITY AND HOW THAT WOULD INTERACT WITH THE KIND OF COMMON AMENITIES OF THE PROJECT. AND HOW LARGE OF A SCALE THAT WOULD BE.

>> GOOD EVENING. MIKE GORMAN. IT WOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE CLUBHOUSE SPACE. AS I THINK WE HAVE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, SIMILAR TO SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE LIKE AT A TOO. IT WOULD CONTAIN PRIVATE OFFICES FOR RENT, CONFERENCE ROOMS AVAILABLE FOR THE RESIDENTS, WORKSTATIONS. IT IS A MINI VERSION OF A CO-HATCH. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK 15 TO 20% OF OUR RESIDENTS WILL WORK FROM HOME AND THIS IS A GOOD OUTLET

FOR THEM TO UTILIZE. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU BET. >> COUNSEL?

>> A COUPLE QUESTIONS, THEY ARE MOSTLY JUST PROCEDURAL. I GUESS.

IT MAY BE A SURVEY QUESTION, TOO. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, IN THE PUD LANGUAGE, IT DOES SAY THAT YOU CAN PUT A DRIVE-THROUGH

IN THIS AREA. >> IT SAYS THAT WE CANNOT IN THE FREESTANDING SINGLE BUILDING, ONLY MULTITENANT. AND ONLY WITH THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE PLANNING COMMITTEE AT THE TIME.

THERE IS NOT THE ENTITLEMENT ESTABLISHED BY THE ORDINANCE. IT IS ONLY IF, BECAUSE STAFF HAD THIS CONCERN ABOUT INTERACTION WITH PUBLIC SPACE, IF WE CANNOT SHOW IT CAN BE DONE THAT IS IN A MANNER SATISFACTORY TO THE PLAN COMMISSION, IT WOULD NOT BE

AUTHORIZED. >> OKAY. I WANT TO BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. I WOULD HATE TO SEE A TACO BELL UP THERE WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH WITH THE ENTITLEMENT PEACE. SERGEI, ARE

YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? >> ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS A THOROUGH ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT A GOOD ANSWER.

TACO BELL IS DELICIOUS. COME ON.

>> AND THEY ALSO MADE IT SO THAT IT CANNOT BE ADJACENT TO THE

PLAZA. >> I READ THAT. AND THN THE ACCESS, THERE IS NO ACCESS TO ACE NOW, CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT I

SAW? >> ONLY FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT. THERE IS WITH THE VEHICULAR . THIS IS ACE'S TO THE SOUTH. OF THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF 99TH STREET OVER HERE. THEY HAVE PARKING. ACE'S DOES, IN THE VICINITY. AND THEY HAVE THE CROSSWALK THAT COMES OVER AND CONNECTS TO THE COMMUNITY. IT IS GATED. THERE IS NO STREET CONNECTIVITY HERE, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED. AND IT WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED BY ACE'S. WE WORKED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF ENGINEERING ON REVISING THE PLAN

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THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS IT REALLY IS A SITUATION WHERE WE DO NOT WANT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC ACCESSING EFFECTIVELY A DRIVEWAY. IF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT TO THE SITE, IT IS NOT A STREET.

IT IS NOT LIKE THIS 99TH STREET. IT IS A 16 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY THAT IS LUCKY TO HAVE TWO CARS PASS AT ONCE. IT IS NOT DESIGNED

TO ACCOMMODATE A PUBLIC STREET. >> I APPRECIATE THAT THOROUGH

ANSWER. THANK YOU, JON. >>

>> COULD YOU READDRESS , ARE THERE ANY A.D.A. UNITS, HANDICAP

UNITS BEING CONSIDERED? >> THERE ARE. THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS. IS THERE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE? 6% OF THE UNITS WILL BE A.D.A. ACCESSIBLE. THE PERSON METRO SPOKE WAS THE ARCHITECT ON EDWARD ROSE'S BEHALF. HE IS AN EMPLOYEE OF EDWARD ROSE.

>> OKAY. THIS WILL SOUND VERY MINUTE BUT IT IS ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS. WHERE YOU HAVE A SIDEWALK INTERSECTING WITH ANOTHER SIDEWALK AND IT IS LESS THAN A 90 DEGREE ANGLE, COULD YOU PUT IN A FILLER? BECAUSE WHETHER YOU ARE PUSHING A STROLLER OR A WHEELCHAIR, IF YOU ARE COMING FROM THAT DIRECTION TO MAKE A TURN, YOU ARE GOING TO END UP WITH RUTS IN THE GRASS,

OR WHATEVER IT IS. >> IS THIS THE SITUATION YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, IT IS THE SIDEWALK THAT TURNS 90 AND THEN IT IS AT THIS SPACE. WE CAN ADD THAT.

>> JUST WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN, THERE IS A LOT OF 90 DEGREE ANGLES AND THEIR ARE SEVERAL LESS THAN 90 DEGREES ANGLES. I THINK OVERALL IN THE LONG RUN IF YOU BUILD THAT IN NOW. EASIER TO

MAINTAIN. >> I WANT TO QUALIFY SAYING THAT WE CAN ADD IT. IN THE EVENT THAT IT IS SOMEHOW A VIOLATION OF

SOME STANDARD -- >> I WOULD NEVER WANT YOU TO VIOLATE ANYTHING.

JUST WANT TO GO BACK AND DO SOME RESEARCH AND MAKE SURE THERE IS NOT A PROVISION THAT, LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE, SOMEONE WHO IS VISION IMPAIRED, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN SITUATION WHERE THEY FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES AND IT IS A.D.A. ACCESSIBILITY AND PROVIDED WE ARE NOT RUNNING UP AGAINST THAT. THAT IS SOMETHING

WE CAN ADD. >> I DON'T THINK YOU WILL BE PEER MY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT WITH OTHER SITUATIONS. I JUST BRING IT UP NOW BECAUSE PUTTING IT IN NOW WOULD BE BETTER. HAVE YOU HAD DIRECT CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OTHER THAN THE CITY REPRESENTATIVES HERE IN THE DINING DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE

GLOBE? >> WE HAVE NOT. I BELIEVE YOU

BROUGHT IT UP. >> AND WILL CONTINUE TO BRING IT UP.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE FOR IT TODAY AND WE WILL EXPLORE IDEAS THAT WOULD INCORPORATE IT. THAT IS LEVEL ONE. LEVEL TWO IS WE WILL OFFER IT TO THE CITY. IF THE CITY CANNOT FIND AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR IT OR ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THEY COULD WORK WITH, THAT IS THE SECOND LEVEL. THE THIRD LEVEL IS WE WILL MAKE IT AVAILABLE AND DO OUTREACH AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND

AN APPROPRIATE HOME FOR IT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT YOU TOOK THAT IN CONSIDERATION. IT IS LARGE. IT IS BEAUTIFUL. AND IT DESERVES A BEAUTIFUL HOME SOMEWHERE. OKAY. THOSE WERE MY

QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.

>> SORRY, JUST CAME TO MIND AGAIN AND THIS IS MORE OF A SERGEI QUESTION. SERGEI, IF FOR SOME REASON THE PD , THE DEVELOPER COMES AND WANTS TO BUILD ON THE COMMERCIAL LOT, THEY CAN CERTAINLY GO TO THE BZA AND ASKED FOR THE VARIANCES ON

THAT. CORRECT OR NOT CORRECT? >> ABSOLUTELY. IF IT DOES NOT NEED THE ORDER AND -- ORDINANCE, BD ORDINANCE WOULD BE CONTROLLING. IF IT DOES NOT MEET THE ORDINANCE THAN THE APPLICANT CAN GO TO BZA AND GET THE ORDINANCE. AND IF A CERTAIN ASPECT HAS NOT ADDRESSED THE ORDINANCE ENTIRELY, THE APPLICANT WOULD ALSO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR INAUDIBLE ] AS WELL. SO YOU DEAL WITH IT EVERY STEP OF THE

SCENARIO. >> I GUESS I WILL TAG ONTO THAT.

JON, ANY UPDATES ON POTENTIAL DISCUSSIONS ON DEVELOPERS FOR THAT SITE THAT YOU CAN SHARE TODAY?

>> THERE HAVE NOT BEEN YET. IT IS LIKE TODAY WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER OTHER THAN AN

IDEA. >> IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL

COME. >> IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED

THEY WILL. >> OKAY, GOT IT.

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>> JUST ONE MORE COMMENT. AND I DID READ YOUR REPLY ABOUT ATTAINABLE UNITS. FROM THE AFFORDABILITY STANDPOINT. I WANT TO TWEAK THAT A LITTLE BIT AND ASK YOU TO AT LEAST HAVE A CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER TO THE PREVIOUS QUESTION THAT I BELIEVE SUE ASKED LAST TIME. THERE IS STILL A TREMENDOUS NEED FOR HOUSING FOR THOSE WITH DEVELOP MENTAL DISABILITIES. I AT LEAST REQUEST THAT YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A DEVELOPER THAT HAS DONE THAT AND FIND OUT IF THAT COULD BECOME AN OPTION. BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A TREMENDOUS NEED. AND THIS IS A GOOD-SIZED PROJECT. SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU REVISIT IT ONE MORE TIME TO SEE IF NOT FROM AN ATTAINABLE STANDPOINT, FROM A SUBSIDY STANDPOINT, FROM A DISABILITY HOUSING , FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES .

>> WE WILL REACH OUT TO STAFF AND FIND OUT WHO THOSE CONTACTS ARE THAT HAVE EXPLORED THAT IN THE PAST AND THEN REACH OUT TO

THEM. >> GO AHEAD.

>> YOU MADE A GOOD POINT ABOUT HOW NARROW THE ROAD IS THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE. AND THERE IS GOING TO BE PARKING, AM I RIGHT, ON THE SIDE? AM I CORRECT? IS THERE ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC

CALMING FOR THAT? >> THE COMMENT THAT I MADE ABOUT THE NARROW WIDTH IS THE DRIVE THAT SERVES ACE'S PARKING FIELD. THE DRIVE THAT COMES THROUGH THE SITE, RETAIL PARKWAY, 99, THIS INTERNAL BOULEVARD, IT ALL MEETS THE CITIES EXPECTATIONS IN REGARDS TO BOULEVARDS AND ONE STEP FURTHER, WE HAVE MADE THE DRIVEWAYS A LITTLE FURTHER TO ACCOMMODATE A CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED. I WHEN IT'S A CONCERN, A COMMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY CARMEL FIRE

DEPARTMENT. >> SO IT BEING A B■OULEVARD, OES

IT HAVE THE MEDIAN WITH TREES? >> A BOULEVARD WOULD INCORPORATE MEDIAN WITH TREES, ON STREET PARKING, AND THEN DIFFERENT TREATMENT HERE. SUCH AS THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS, SO, LANDSCAPE, ON STREET PARKING, NARROW WIDTHS, ALTHOUGH NOT AS NARROW AS WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. ALL ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSIDERED TRAFFIC CALMING ELEMENTS.

>> I BELIEVE YOU WILL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE CROSSING THROUGH THERE. AND IT WILL BE A MAIN ROAD. I WILL LEAVE IT TO THE DEPARTMENT ON THAT. A QUESTION I HAVE IS , ALL OF THIS GOES THROUGH, GOES THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, PASSES, YOU, EDWARD ROSE BEGINS BUILDING THE APARTMENTS. YOU HAVE THIS HUGE, EMPTY AREA OUT ON MICHIGAN ROAD. THAT THEY ARE NOT CONTROLLING.

AND THEY DO NOT GET ANYBODY FOR IN THE NEAR FUTURE. WHAT IS

GOING TO LOOK LIKE? >> IT WOULD BE GRADED, SEEDED, MAINTAINED. IN THE LAWN. BETWEEN THE TIME BETWEEN EDWARD ROSE WERE TO PREDATE THE COMMERCIAL DATE.

>> CAN YOU PUT THAT STATEMENT IN THE PUD?

>> THAT WE WOULD GRADE AND SEED?

>> MAINTAIN IT AND THAT IT WOULD BE KEPT. BECAUSE NOTHING WOULD LOOK WORSE THAN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LOVELY DEVELOPMENT IN THE

BACK AND NOBODY CAN SEE IT. >> I HAD TO LOOK OVER TO MIKE AND GIVE HIM THE

>> IT ONLY MAKES SENSE. SOMEONE IS LOOKING FOR IT. AND IF THE RETAIL IS NOT BUILT, CAN THEY HAVE A SIGN OUT ON THE STREET? THE SIGNAGE. I MEAN IT IS A BUSY STREET. PEOPLE ARE GOING UP AND DOWN IT. AND THERE ARE SOME GREAT TRAFFIC PATTERNS. BUT, I AM TRYING TO FIND A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO IDENTIFY. A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE INTERESTED IN IT.

>> IT IS LIKELY THAT THERE WILL BE INCORPORATION ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD THAT WOULD INCORPORATE ITS USE. BUT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT DRIVING UP AND DOWN MICHIGAN ROAD, SOMETHING IN THE ORDER OF 8+ OR MINUS FEET TALL AND THEN HAS A ONE AVAILABLE PANEL, IF YOU WILL, FOR ADVERTISING OF USERS ACROSS THE SITE. IT IS LIKELY THERE WILL BE A MONUMENT SIGN ON MICHIGAN ROAD UNLIKELY THAT IT WOULD INCLUDE IDENTIFICATION OF THIS PROJECT.

BUT THESE TWO PROJECTS HERE, B AND C, THOSE ARE THE FOUR-STORY BUILDINGS. IF SOMEONE WERE TO GLANCE AS THEY ARE DRIVING DOWN MICHIGAN ROAD IN THIS DIRECTION, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MISS THESE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS. IN THAT VICINITY.

>> AND THEY WILL HAVE SIGNS AT THE TOP OF THEM.

>> THEY MAY HAVE SOMETHING, WE DO NOT HAVE THE SIGN PROGRAM DEVELOPED YET. THAT WILL COME BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION AND

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TO WHAT IS DONE AT -- >> SO THAT COMES BACK. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CHECK.

THANK YOU.

>> I WILL SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION TO REPURPOSE THE GLOBE ART. BECAUSE, AS LARGE AS IT MAY SEEM AND FOR SOME PEOPLE, TO YOUR OWN TASTE, IT MAY SEEM LIKE AN EYESORE. BUT THERE IS A LOT OF HISTORY TO THE RCI GLOBE. I AM SURE THERE MIGHT BE A ROUNDABOUT THAT COULD BE SURE WE ALL HAD THE SAME THOUGHT AT SOME POINT. THERE ARE OTHER ROUNDABOUT ART FEATURES THAT ARE MAYBE LESS DESIRABLE THAT THIS

COULD TAKE THE PLACE OF. >>

>> YES. YES. ONE THING I WANT TO ASK , I DO LIKE THE COMMENT PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE BRICK PAVERS AND THE LANGUAGE IN THE PUD. AND WE CAN'T -- GET A COMMITMENT TO THAT?

>> COLORED CONCRETE RATHER THAN BRICK PAVER, FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT. THEY DID DISCUSS IT INTERNALLY AND SAID WE SHOULD DISCUSS THAT AS COLORED CONCRETE, RATHER THAN A BRICK PAVER.

>> I GUESS I AM COOL WITH THAT. I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A MAINTENANCE ISSUE WITH PAVERS FOR THE LONG-TERM. BUT THAT IS JUST MY OPINION. I GUESS I WILL OPEN IT UP TO COMMITTEE FOR OTHER SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. GO AHEAD. KNOW? OKAY. WELL, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ?

>> I WILL MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION, FOR CONSIDERATION, FAVORED WITH CONSIDERATION, SUBJECT TO THE THREE ITEMS AS EXPRESSED BY PETITIONER. ARE INCLUDED. AND THE PROMISE THAT THEY WILL REVISIT THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING UNITS FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES. AND THAT THE GLOBE

FINDS A HOME. >> AND THAT IS NOT ONE OF THE THREE? OH. AND THAT THE LANGUAGE INCLUDE MAINTAINING THE COMMERCIAL SITE, UP THROUGH DEVELOPMENT. DID I GET

EVERYTHING? >> YES, AND I THINK YOU SHOULD SPEAK TO DIRECTOR -- ABOUT PUTTING THAT IN A ROUNDABOUT.

THAT IS THE PERSON YOU NEED TO SPEAK WITH.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ANY SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ALL OPPOSED? >> MOTION CARRIES.

>> THANK YOU. I WILL TURN THIS INTO STAFF SO THEY HAVE IT WRITTEN ON THE THREE ITEMS THAT WERE ON THE REPORT.

>>

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>> OKAY. ONTO THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS. I WILL NOT READ THESE ALL IN VERBATIM. I WILL SAY THAT WE WILL COVER DOCKET ITEM NUMBER 33 13. SHORT AGENDA ITEM HERE. BUT THE APPLICANT, DO I NEED TO READ THE LAST PART, ACTUALLY?

>> YES, READ 13. >> OKAY. I WILL READ THE SUBSET

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HERE TO TALK WITH US. JUSTIN? >> GOOD EVENING. JUSTIN MOFFAT WITH OLD TOWN COMPANIES AND AVENUE DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE THE TEAM WITH ME. THE PARTNERS IN THE PROJECT. I WILL TRY TO RUN THROUGH A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW AND THEN TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THERE AS APPROPRIATE. WHEN WE LEFT OUR LAST COMMISSION MEETING I FEEL WE FAILED TO GET ENOUGH THINGS IN TIME TO BE MOVED OUT NEXT MONTH. I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO RESUBMIT SUCCESSFULLY MOST MINOR ARCHITECTURAL ITEMS, AND LANDSCAPE DETAIL. MOST OF THOSE I THINK WERE ADDRESSED, I DO WANT TO BRING UP A VIEW ITEMS THAT I DO NOT KNOW THAT WE REALLY FOCUSED IN ON, BUT DID NOT WANT TO GLOSS OVER. I WILL USE THIS IMAGE A LITTLE BIGOT -- THIS IMAGE A LITTLE BIGGER HERE. YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPE ALONG THE CORRIDOR THAT WAS REQUESTED BY US. FILLING IN GAPS AROUND THE BUILDINGS. FOCUSING ON THIS ONE, IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION. I DO NOT KNOW IF WE ARE ABLE TO ZOOM IN AT ALL. I DO NOT KNOW IF THE TEAM IN THE BOX IS ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT THIS IS THE AREA IN QUESTION. THE NORTHEAST SITE ADJACENT TO THE TRAIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THERE WAS CONCERN RAISED ABOUT HOW THIS ENGAGES WITH THE TRAIL, THE VIEW SHED, AND WHAT OUR CONNECTION PROGRAM WAS. WE HAVE A POCKET PARK ADJACENT TO THE TRAIL. WE HAD COMMITTED TO. IN THE INITIAL PLANNING, IT WAS NOT PART OF THIS A DLS FILE. BUT WE WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT IS AN ONGOING EXERCISE WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. I FELT THE EXHIBIT DID A GOOD JOB AT SHOWING OUR INTENT AND EXPRESSING DETAIL HERE WITH THIS PARKING AREA. AS WE WENT BACK AND DISCUSSED WITH THE TEAM, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REAFFIRMED THAT THIS WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM TO HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE PROJECT. I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE DRAWINGS FOR THE INITIAL ADLS FILING THAT WE WERE APPROVED FOR. WE ACTUALLY HAD A FULL DRIVE AISLE AROUND THE BUILDING AND THE ROUTE HERE AT THE TRAIL. FULLY EXPOSED THE TRAIL. THAT WAS THE INITIALLY APPROVED PLAN. I THINK THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT UPON THAT. AND PART OF THE STRATEGY WITH MOVING THE TRAIL CONNECTION WAS SO WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB AT HIDING THE PARKING. THERE IS AN EXISTING TREELINE HERE AND IT IS HARD TO TELL IN THE DETAIL HERE. BUT YOU CAN SEE THESE IN YOUR PACKET, THESE ARE TOPO LINES. THERE IS AN EXISTING MOUND, THERE . WE WILL PLANT TO ADD A THICKER SCREEN LAYER. REALLY DOING ANYTHING IN OUR POWER TO HELP HIDE THAT FROM THE TRAIL. IT WAS ABOUT SCREENING FROM THE PARKING. BUT ALSO THIS CONNECTION FROM THE TRAIL. WE WANTED A BETTER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. SO WHEN PEOPLE CAME THROUGH THE TUNNEL AND IS REALLY EXPOSED HERE ON 31, WE DID NOT WANT THAT TO BE THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION EXPERIENCE. WE WANTED TO PULL IT FURTHER SOUTH. IT ACCOMPLISHED A FEW GOALS WITH A BETTER CONNECTION POINT AND GAVE US THE ABILITY TO SCREEN HERE. THERE REALLY IS NOT A WAY FOR US TO DO A BUILDING OF THIS TYPE AND NOT HAVE THIS PARKING HERE.

IT IS LESS ABOUT THE PARKING AND MORE ABOUT THE FIRE TRUCK TURNAROUND. THERE ARE MORE MEANINGFUL SPACES. WE DO NOT REALLY SEE A GOOD WAY TO SERVICE THIS BUILDING WITH FIRE PROTECTION WITHOUT HAVING THIS HERE. THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO DO A BETTER JOB AT SCREENING IT. I THINK WE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. OUR TEAM DID HAVE A MEETING WITH MICHAEL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP. THIS IS NOT A FINAL PLAN. BUT WANTED TO BRING THE PLANNING COMMISSION UP TO DATE THERE. THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE A GATHERING SPACE, WORKING FOR DETAILS THERE. WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE SOME OF , AND NOT SOME OF, ALL OF THE LIMESTONE THAT

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31 TO THE PROJECT, THEN LEFT SOUTH IN FRONT OF THE VA PROJECT THAT CONNECTS TO THE URBAN SPACE. THE GOAL WAS, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH CITY COUNCIL, THAT THE FARM SPACE, IN ADDITION TO THIS CARMEL PARK PLAZA AREA IS ALL PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. WE CAN CREATE A SENSE OF WILL COME FROM THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY TO THE NORTH AND PROJECT. THAT IS A REAL HIGH-LEVEL UPDATE ON WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED. I KNOW OUR TEAM HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF. I THINK AS OF LAST WEEK THERE WAS A FEW OUTSTANDING ITEMS IN QUESTION. I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO GET ENGINEERING COMFORTABLE WITH US MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN ALEXIA CAN ADDRESS THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ITEMS WERE VERY MINOR. TO THE POINT WHERE OUR IMPRESSION WAS STAFF WAS COMFORTABLE WITH US MOVING FORWARD AND THAT WE DISCUSSED WE PROBABLY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO AND DO A ONCE OVER ON THE WHOLE BUILDING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE MINOR DETAILS THAT ALEXIA WANTED US TO STILL LOOK AT. BUT ALL OF THAT COULD PROBABLY BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE FULL TREND 44. WITH THAT, GLAD TO SEE IF ALEXIA HAS ANY COUNTERPOINT TO THAT. BUT WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WE BE CONSIDERED WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FAVORABLE RECORDATION OF THE

PLAN COMMISSION. >> THANKS. DEPARTMENT.

>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, ALEXIA LOPEZ, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. SO WE ARE ONLY ON THE SECOND REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT FOR ALL OF THE LIKE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND STUFF.

THEY RESUBMITTED, I BELIEVE MAYBE THURSDAY, APRIL 24. AND THEN THE STAFF REPORT WAS DUE THE FIRST. THAT GAVE US ABOUT A WEEK TO TRY TO GO THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS AND ALONG WITH OTHER PROJECTS. I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING TO CROSS IT OFF THE LIST. I TRIED TO GET THERE BY TODAY AND I STILL HAVE ABOUT 20 OUTSTANDING COMMENTS. AFTER GOING THROUGH MORE OF WHAT THEY SUBMITTED. AND THE ORIGINAL COMMENTS, I THINK THEY SAID THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THIS BY PLAN COMMISSION, OR WE CAN MEET TO PICTURE THOSE CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. SOME OF THEM ARE MINOR. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MAJOR, YOU KNOW, CHANGES THAT WE NEED THAT WOULD AFFECT THE PROJECT. IT WOULD BE THIS BUILDING OVER THERE OR COMPLETELY YOU KNOW, TAKING SOMETHING OUT. BUT I LOOKED THROUGH SOME OF THE LARGER ONES THAT WE HAD OUTSTANDING. SO, WITH THE NORTH END TOWNHOMES, STILL WANT TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT ARCHITECTURE.

SPECIFICALLY BESIDE ELEVATIONS . ON THE FLAT ELEVATIONS IT LOOKS A LITTLE DISCOMBOBULATED TO ME, WHERE THERE IS VERTICAL BAND AND THEN SIDING AND THEN A LARGER VERTICAL BAND AND THEN IT REACHES OVER AND THEN THE BRICK FACE. WE ARE JUST WANTING TO SEE THAT FLOW THAT ARE TOGETHER. AND I THINK WE WILL HAVE A MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND PLAN COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THAT MORENCI IF THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THERE. WE ALSO WANT THEM TO LOOK AT THE 16 UNIT ELEVATION. THE WELDING ON THE VERY END OF THE STREET. THAT WILL BE A VERY LONG FACADE. AND THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY IDEAS ON HOW THEY MIGHT BREAK THAT UP BETTER. YOU KNOW AN IDEA COULD BE ADDING MORE BRICK IN THE CENTER THAT GOES UP HIGHER, OR JUST CHANGING SOME OF THE MATERIAL AROUND. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS ON THE LATEST PACKET. I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND IT. THESE ARE MORE OF THE

RENDERINGS. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN. I CAN POINT IT OUT. I WILL SLIDE LEFT HERE. IT IS HARD TO TELL. I THINK ULTIMATELY THIS IS MORE IN THE CONSTRUCTION DETAILING, WHERE IT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND . ULTIMATELY FROM THE STREETSCAPE

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BUT THAT IS THE AREA WHERE WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION TO HAVE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT THE DETAILS ARE ACCURATE BUT IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO READ. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE VIEW YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, ALEXIA, WHERE WE STILL HAVE SOME DISCUSSION TO HAVE AROUND IS THERE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL THAT CAN BE DONE.

>> YES, SO THAT IS THE EIGHT BAY 16 UNIT BUILDING. AND I BELIEVE THERE IS ONLY ONE OF THOSE AT THE FAR END OF THE DEAD END STREET THERE. AND THEN I THINK THOSE WERE THE MAIN, LARGER ARCHITECTURAL COMMENTS ON THIS ONE. SOME OTHER ITEMS THOUGH INCLUDE LIKE THE LIGHT POLE FIXTURES. I THINK THEY SUBMITTED THOSE BUT THEY DO NOT MATCH WHAT WAS ON THE FIRST PHASE, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE CONSISTENT ALONG THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN, I THINK I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WATER QUALITY MEASURES. FOR THIS PROJECT THEY ARE NOT DOING TYPICAL ON-SITE POND FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. IT WILL BE OFF-SITE POND. THE DEVELOPERS ARE REVIEWING THAT. BUT WE WERE ASKING IF WE COULD AT LEAST HAVE A WATER QUALITY MEASURE ON-SITE BEFORE WE DUMP THAT WATER INTO THE CREEK AND THEN ULTIMATELY DOWNSTREAM. THAT WAS A COMMENT STILL I WANTED TO DISCUSS. AND THEN I THINK THE OFF-SITE POND, WE WERE ASKING IF THERE COULD BE NATIVE PLANTINGS AROUND THE POND AND THEY SAID THAT IT WOULD JUST BE TURFGRASS MODE TO THE EDGE. AGAIN ANOTHER WATER QUALITY QUESTION. IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR PART OF THE POND OR ANOTHER WATER QUALITY FEATURE WITH THE OFF-SITE POND. AND THEN I NOTICED FOR THE HALF THAT WAS CHANGED, IT STILL LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A PATH ALONG THE SIDE. BUT ON THE REVISIONS IT CHANGES TO SIDEWALK ALONG THE TOWNHOMES. AND WE WERE HOPING TO KEEP THAT PATH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE IT WOULD CONNECT TO THE EAST SIDE. SO HE GOES ALONG THE VIVA BENE PROJECT, THIS PATH. AND THEN IT COMES AROUND AND TURNS ALONG THIS -- AND THEN THE SIDEWALK TO THE BACK OF THE UNITS. SO ORIGINALLY IT HAD BEEN ALL 10 FOOT PATH BUT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE SIDEWALK. WE WERE NOT SURE WHY THAT CHANGE WAS MADE IN ME WANTED TO SEE IT BE PATH ALL THE WAY TO THE FARM. AND THEN, FOR THE VIVA BENE PROJECT, THERE IS STILL A COUPLE ITEMS WITH THAT ARCHITECTURE AS WELL. THERE IS A LARGE CONCRETE WALL ON THE EAST SIDE, I BELIEVE IT IS 12 FEET, BECAUSE OF THE GRADE CHANGE. THEY ADDED SOME WINDOWS TO THE SOUTH FACADE BUT HE SAID THEY ADDED IT TO THE EAST. I DID NOT SEE IT ON THE EAST AND I DID NOT SEE ANY TALL TREES PLANTED IN FRONT. WHICH THEY SHOW IN THE IMAGES, BUT I DID NOT SEE WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. I WANTED TO GET THOSE ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SO WE ARE MAKING SURE WE HELP OFFER THIS WALL WITH THAT NICE SPACE THERE. AND ALSO ADDING TREES ALONG THE GARAGE FACADES.

ADDING LANDSCAPING ALL AROUND. AND THEY IMPROVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND ADDED ALONG 31, LIKE JUSTIN SAID. BUT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE INTO THAT FIRST LEVEL OF THE GARAGE THERE. SO, JUST WANTING SOME TREES PLANTED TO HELP AGAIN BUFFER THE VIEW OF CARS. AND THEN ON THE ARCHITECTURE THERE WAS, THIS IS A BIG BUILDING. THEY TRY TO BREAK IT UP THE BEST THEY CAN.

SO IT IS NOT MONOTONOUS. THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB. THERE IS ONE THE SOFTWARE EVERYWHERE ELSE THEY HAVE A PEAKED ROOF AND THEN ONE FACADE HAS A FLAT, SOME FLAT CORNERS. AGAIN THEY WERE SAYING THEY WANTED TO BREAK UP THE BUILDING WHICH IS FINE, BUT IF YOU ARE ADDING IT TO ONE FACADE THAT MAY BE ADDED TO THIS ONE TOO. SO THAT THERE IS NOT JUST ONE WITH FLAT CORNERS. I DO NOT

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SO THAT IS THE TASTE OF SOME OF THE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS. AND OUR DEPARTMENT WOULD RECOMMEND IT GO TO THE NEXT COMMITTEE, BUT IF THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN GET IT CHANGED BY AND 44, YOU COULD RECOMMEND FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION TONIGHT CONTINGENT

UPON THOSE REVISIONS. >> THANK YOU, ALEXIA. COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? COUNCILMEMBER.

>> I WILL START AGAIN. THIS IS TO YOU, ALEXIA. SO THE LARGER ITEMS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, ARE THESE ISSUES THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF AND THEN BROUGHT BACK TO THE FULL PLAN COMMISSION? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE DOING?

>> YES. >> I AM JUST, I AM NOT MAKING A MOTION, I AM JUST, YEAH, JUST ASKING. THAT IS WHY I ASKED.

YEAH. SO. YEAH. THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A CURIOSITY QUESTION ABOUT THE POND. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE POND THAT IS NORTH OF 31? IS THAT WITH THIS ULTIMATELY --

>> NO, WE ARE DOING REGIONAL DETENTION POND AT A PIECE OF LAND IN KEYSTONE AND SMOKY. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS COMMON PRACTICE. WE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE. BUT RATHER THAN TAKE VALUABLE DEVELOPMENT GROUND, WE ARE USING SOME AREA THAT HAS SOME FLOOD AND LOW LAND THAT IS WORTHY OF A POND. IT IS THE SAME CREEK SYSTEM. SO BASICALLY WE ARE MITIGATING OFF-SITE THE STORM WATER. SO THIS WILL BE THE SECOND TIME WE HAVE DONE IT IN THE DOWNTOWN CARMEL AREA. WE ARE DOING IT WITH INFIELD DEVELOPMENT. BEFORE WE STARTED THE PLANNING OF THIS PHASE WE GOT WITH ENGINEERING AND ASKED IF IT REIT'S -- MEETS THE REQUIREMENT. THAT HAS BEEN ONGOING AS WELL.

>> IS THAT WHERE THE NORTH END ULTIMATELY CARRIES TWO?

>> WE HAVE THE BMP ON-SITE. SO BETWEEN THE MONON TRAIL AND THIS BUILDING, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY TWO OR THREE ACRE BMP THERE THAT IS A PORTION OF IT. AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS THE OFF-SITE

LOCATION. >> BUT PHASE I HAS SOME

INTENTION FOR ITS OWN. >> CORRECT.

>> THIS IS MORE JUST PHASE TWO. I BELIEVE.

>> AHEAD. >> THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF, TO GET MY COMMISSIONERS' FEELINGS ON THIS. I KNOW AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE THIS PRIVATE PARKING BACK YOUR FOR THE RESIDENTS. AND AFTER TALKING TO DIRECTOR -- AND A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT I CONSIDER EXPERTS, THE POINT THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC ACCESS , IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME TO MAKE IT PRIVATE PARKING. I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

>> YES, ALONG THOSE LINES TOO, IT IS SAFE TO ASSUME AS WELL THAT, CALL IT SIDEWALK OR PATH SYSTEM ON THE WEST, GOING AROUND THE NORTH, IS THAT ALL MAINTAINED BY PARKS? WHO IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE? FOR MAINTAINING THOSE.

>> ALL THE PADS IN THE PARK SPACE WILL BE MAINTAINED BY US.

THE PARK ITSELF WILL BE MAINTAINED DAILY OR WEEKLY BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. SINCE THEY HAVE THE VEHICLE TO RUN UP AND DOWN THE TRAIL AND DO THE TRASH PICKUP. BUT WE WILL DO THE SEASONAL MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP. EVERYTHING ON THE SITE IS

RIGHTLY MAINTAINED. >> SURE.

>> I GUESS I WANTED TO ADDRESS KIND OF THE GAP BETWEEN THE THREE DIFFERENT CONSTITUENCIES HERE ON TIMING. I RESPECT THE FACT THAT PLANNING STAFF HAS A LOT TO REVIEW WITH THESE BIG FILES. THERE IS A REALITY THAT ON OUR END WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE AT THE SPEED OF BUSINESS AND MOVE THINGS THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION SEASON AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO START SITE WORK AND HAVE PAVEMENT DOWN BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. IF WE, THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM BUT OUR PROBLEM, IF

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BUT THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US AS A CONCERN OF HOW DO WE BREAK TIS UP FURTHER? AND WE WOULD SAY, WELL, GIVE US IDEAS BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. BECAUSE IT IS VERY WELL BROKEN UP. THERE IS TWO FOOT MOVEMENT EVERY 20 FEET. WHAT IS MISSING IN THIS ELEVATION, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT GRAMMATICALLY AND TWO-DIMENSIONAL, YOU DO NOT SEE LANDSCAPE. THERE IS PRETTY PROMINENT TREES THAT HAPPEN AT ALL THESE POINTS THAT BREAKUP THE FACADE. THAT WILL BE THE DOMINANT VIEW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING STRAIGHT ON, A LARGE DECIDUOUS TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING. AND SO I AM NOT IN DISAGREEMENT THAT THERE ARE AREAS THAT WE COULD MAKE MINOR IMPROVEMENTS. BUT WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN THE REALM OF ORDINANCE. WE ARE NOW IN PROFESSIONAL OPINION VERSUS PROFESSIONAL OPINION. AND WE HAVE TO HASH THOSE ITEMS OUT AND FIND THE MIDDLE GROUND. BUT TO DELAY A MONTH FOR WHAT IS NOW LARGELY OPINION, I THINK, IS NOT OUR PREFERENCE. SO IF ALEXIA BELIEVES THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, AS WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, AND GET THE ITEMS RESOLVED IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, THAT WOULD BE A REQUEST FOR PLAN COMMISSION TO CONSIDER AND FOR US TO APPROVE IT AND GET IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS SO SHE CAN SAY THUMBS UP, WE ARE GOOD.

>> TO BE RESOLVED, WE COULD MOVE TO PRESENT IT TO THE CARMEL FOR WITH FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION SUBJECT TO OUTSTANDING CONCERNS AS DESCRIBED . AND INTO THE RECORD. IN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE, IT COMES TO PLAN COMMISSION AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DIFFER IT. SO, UNLESS SOMEONE TALKS ME OUT OF IT , LIKE IN THE NEXT 10 SECONDS, WELL I WILL NOT. I WILL BE MOVING TO MOVE IT TO THE PLAN COMMISSION SUBJECT TO OUTSTANDING ISSUES BEING RESOLVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO IS IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DELAYED.

>> WE HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE. AND I AGREE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PETITIONER IS SAYING. BUT I THINK, WE REALLY HAVE TO BE RESPECTABLE OF THE DEPARTMENT. THERE IS A LOT OF ITEMS ON HERE.

WHETHER IT IS ARCHITECTURAL OR OPINION. THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED. SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE WATER QUALITY MEASURES AND, I DO NOT KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DO THAT -- CONCRETE WALL.

THERE IS A LOT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. BUT I REALLY THINK -- I MEAN I AM NOT PUTTING ANY PRESSURE. I THINK IT IS TOO MUCH AND NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THERE IS JUST TOO

MANY THINGS HERE. >> YEAH, I THINK IF PETITION AND WE CAN MEET BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS THESE AND GO OVER WHICH CAN BE CHANGED AND WHICH CANNOT BE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CANNOT MEET IT THE NEXT 1044 MEETING, WE CAN TABLE IT OR I CAN SAY THAT THESE ITEMS ARE OUTSTANDING. IT IS KIND OF AT THEIR RISK IF THEY THINK THEY CAN GET IT DONE, YOU KNOW, AFTER GOING THROUGH ALL THE SECOND REVIEW CYCLE. THEY DID MAKE A LOT OF CHANGES. AND SOME OF THESE, I DO NOT WANT TO SAY ARE MINOR, BUT THEY ARE DOABLE. LIKE I SAID THEY ARE NOT MAJOR CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO UPSET THE WHOLE PLAN. FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE FIRST REVIEW CYCLE THEY DID NOT HAVE THE LIGHTING PLAN. SOME OF THOSE LIGHTING LEVELS NEEDED TO BE CHANGED AND NOW THAT THEY HAVE REVIEWED IT THEY DO NOT MEET THOSE LEVELS. THEY CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES. THE LANDSCAPING, I THINK THEY CAN ADD THOSE TREES. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT, THEY THOUGHT SHRUBS WOULD BE BETTER. I JUST THINK ADDING TREES TO THE GARAGE IS GOING TO HELP. AND THEN THE ARCHITECTURE, YOU KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THAT WE NEEDED TO MEET AND WE HAVE NOT MET. SO I THINK THAT WILL HELP TO MEET WITH ARCHITECTS, HASH OUT WHAT CAN BE DONE. HOPEFULLY , YOU KNOW I DON'T REVIEW THE DRAINAGE

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TWO. >> WATER QUALITY HAS BEEN ADDED AND SUBMITTED. AND I THINK THE DEPARTMENT OF ENGINEERING SAID THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH US MOVING ON. SO I WOULD SAY WE ARE IN ITEMS OF OPINION. WE HAVE CHECKED THE BOXES. SO THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN ADDED. THERE IS MECHANICAL TREATMENT FACILITY. IT COLLECTS THE WATER BEFORE IT HITS THIS DOOR. SO, THE LANDSCAPE ITEMS, I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT WE ARE STRUGGLING TO ADD MORE LANDSCAPE. THERE IS A LOT OF DETAIL ON THIS PAGE. SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE. NOW WE ARE HAVING THESE SORT OF DETAILED CONVERSATIONS ABOUT COULD WE ADD A TREE THERE? THAT IS OKAY. THERE IS A REALITY THAT WHEN WE GET IN THE FIELD AND BUILD THIS, DARREN COMES OUT TO EVERY SITE AND WE REVIEW LANDSCAPE AGAIN AND ADJUST LANDSCAPE AGAIN. SO I AM NOT DISMISSIVE OF THE PROJECT BUT THE REALITY IS IS THAT WE WILL BE IN THIS VORTEX UNTIL THE THING IS BUILT. AND SO TO ME, IT IS, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING DESTRUCTIBLE? I THINK IT IS ON US TO APPROVE IT BUT I THINK WE HAVE CHECKED THE BOXES THAT WERE REQUESTED OF US.

>> SHANNON. PLEASE. >> OKAY. SO, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING JUSTIN OR THE OLD TOWN TO MEET WITH THE -- THE TWO OPTIONS ARE JUSTIN TO MEET WITH STAFF, IF STAFF IS COMFORTABLE.

AND TAKE CARE OF THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS. AND THEN SEND IT FORWARD THROUGH CROSSROAD ENGINEERS. OR WE JUST SAY NO, WE ARE GOING TO SEND IT BACK TO COMMITTEE. SO THAT IS WHAT IS ON THE TABLE

RIGHT NOW. RIGHT? >> IN EITHER SCENARIO, REGARDLESS OF THE MEETING AT SUFFOLK YOU WILL HAVE TO COME BACK A YEAR FROM NOW. IF WE CANNOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT BASED ON THE NEXT MEETING, BASED ON WHAT YOU ARE SAYING JUSTIN,

YOU'RE WAITING ANOTHER YEAR. >> NO. NO, IT IS THAT YOU CANNOT GO VERTICAL UNTIL YOU GET THE PAVEMENT DOWN. SO WE HAVE THIS NARROW WINDOW OF TIME TO GET SITE WORK DONE, PAVEMENT DOWN, GO VERTICAL. YOU LOSE A MONTH THIS TIME OF YEAR AND YOU ARE STARTING CONSTRUCTION VERTICAL NEXT YEAR. AND I WOULD SAY, OUR OPINION, LAST MONTH, THERE WERE STILL SOME ITEMS THAT NEEDED TO GET LOOKED AT. BUT, IN OUR VIEW, WE WERE PRETTY CLOSE LAST MONTH.

I DID NOT WANT TO PRESS IT LAST MONTH. BUT I THINK ON THIS SCALE OF PROJECT, THERE IS A LOT FOR STAFF TO REVIEW. BUT, PER THE REQUIRED TIMELINE WE HIT OUR DATES. I RESPECT THE FACT THAT STAFF NEEDS MORE TIME. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO REVIEW. BUT I AM ASKING TO KNOCK IT PENALIZED SEVERELY FINANCIALLY BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TIME PERKIER PROCESS TO FULLY REVIEW AND RECOGNIZE THAT WE ACTUALLY DID CHECK MOST OF THE BOXES. I DO THINK AS WE MEET WE ARE GOING TO FIND THAT MOST ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, ONCE STAFF HAS A FULL REVIEW. THEN THERE IS GOING TO BE A COUPLE ITEMS LIKE THIS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO SAY, HEY, WE AGREE TO DISAGREE BUT WE ARE PARTNERS AND WE MEET ORDINANCE.

WE WILL BRING THOSE ITEMS TO FULL PLAN COMMISSION AND SAY IF THERE IS ANYTHING REMAINING IT WOULD BE LIKE THIS. AND SAY THIS IS ONE ITEM WE DID NOT AGREE ON BUT WE FEEL THAT WE COMPLY.

ALEXIA WOULD GIVE HER COUNTERPOINT IN THE NEW COULD

VOTE. >> WHERE ARE WE ON THE LANDSCAPE

PLAN WITH THEM? >> PARDON ME.

>> THE URBAN FORRESTER HAS UPDATED THEIR PLAN AND APPROVED IT. THEY SHOWED THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS. I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU CAN PUT THAT SITE PLAN BACKUP JUSTIN.

>> OKAY. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE WOULD BE SOME TREES AND IT SEEMED VAGUE. WHEN JUSTIN WAS SAYING IT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE PLAN. I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

>> THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THEY SUBMITTED TO DATE. IT HAS COME A LONG WAY FROM WHAT WE FIRST HAD. AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID SOME OF THESE THINGS, AS THEY CAN ADDRESS. BUT WE MADE THE COMMENT, YOU KNOW, BACK IN FEBRUARY. IT WAS NOT ADDRESSED, THEY ADDED SHRUBS ALONG, YOU SEE WHERE THE LINES ARE FOR THE PARKING? IN THE VIVA BENE. THAT IS THE PARKING GARAGE. THERE ARE SHRUBS ALONG THERE. ALL I ASKED WAS A COUPLE TREES TO HELP OFFER THE FIRST FLOOR PARKING GARAGE. 'S OF THE GRADE, I THINK IT WORKS ON THE SITE. BUT TYPICALLY WE WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE A

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>> I AM ASKING A PROCEDURAL QUESTION TOO. SUE AND ADAM, SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN ON MISSION LONGER THAN I, MAYBE SERGE CAN SPEAK TO THIS. HAVE YOU DONE THIS WHERE YOU SENT SOMETHING FROM COMMITTEE TO COMMISSION THEN IT COMES BACK TO COMMITTEE IF IT IS NOT? I AM JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY,

MIKE, GO AHEAD. DIRECTOR, SORRY. >> THANK YOU. MIKE HALL A, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. THE COMMITTEE AND THE STAFF, I WANT YOU TO BOTH FEEL COMFORTABLE . THE SITE PLAN. I MEAN ALL THE REAL BIG ITEMS , IT APPEARS AS THOUGH WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT. YOU KNOW? AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS LEFT IS THE SMALLER DETAILS THAT REALLY MAKE THE PROJECT SPECIAL. AND I THINK THE PROCESS CAN CONTINUE TO WORK BETWEEN NOW AND THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING. WE ARE NOT MOVING BUILDINGS AND WE ARE NOT SHIFTING WHERE THE PARKING IS. SO IF WE ARE IN AGREEMENT, THOSE THINGS ARE SOLID AND IN A GOOD PLACE. AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON LITTLE THINGS THAT WE ALL WANT TO HAVE AND THAT MAKE THE PROJECT SPECIAL. WE CAN DELIVER BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

AND I THINK, I HAVE FAITH IN THE PROCESS, I AM CONFIDENT THAT OLD TOWN WANTS TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THINGS AND THERE WILL BE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO COMPROMISE ON. THE DEPARTMENT DOES TOO. ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE UP TO YOU. BUT I WANT YOU TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING THIS OUT OF COMMITTEE SO THAT THE PROJECT CAN CONTINUE. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THEM TO GO VERTICAL AND GET THINGS DONE THIS YEAR. AND I AM HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TOO. >> AND IF I COULD ADD TO THE PROCEDURAL QUESTION AS WELL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEND IT BACK TO COMMITTEE IF YOU DON'T DECIDE AT THE NEXT FULL PLAN COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEETING. SO I DO NOT THERE IS ABSOLUTE ANY REASON , ESPECIALLY IF THE DIRECTOR AND THE STAFF FEELS COMFORTABLE NOT TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO THE PLAN COMMISSION. YOU ARE NOT OBLIGED TO ACT ON IT IN THE NEXT MEETING.

>> ANOTHER ITEM OF NOTE, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, WANTING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THOSE AREAS THAT ALEXIA HAD REQUESTED HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. SOME OF THE VARIETIES NEED TO PROBABLY GET EXPLAINED. THERE ARE SHRUB TYPES THAT ARE 10 FEET TALL. LIKE THEY LISTENED TO THE OBJECTIVE AND FELT THAT THEY MATCHED THAT. I THINK IT IS JUST UNDERSTANDING THE DETAIL PROBABLY GETS US

THERE WITH MOST OF IT. >> DEBBIE?

>> I WILL GET A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND THE MOTION CAN STILL BE DISCUSSED. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WILL BE TIME FOR PETITIONER AND STAFF TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THE DETAILS THAT HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED IN THE DISCUSSION IN THIS BOZO. I AM GOING TO MOVE THAT WE SEND THE PROPOSAL TO THE FULL COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION , SUBJECT TO CONTINUED DISCUSSION AND RESOLVE OF OUTSTANDING DETAILED ITEMS THAT MIGHT CONTINUE IN PROJECT DOCUMENTS. AND THAT IS THE UNDERSTANDING, THAT IF BY THE TIME THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED BY THE NEXT PLAN COMMISSION, THE PROJECT CAN BE DEFERRED FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS BY THE PLAN COMMISSION WITHOUT

GOING BACK TO COMMITTEE. >> YOU SHANNON?

>> WAIT, DO WE NEED TO SECOND THIS IN ORDER TO FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, I WILL SECOND THAT. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO INTERJECT A COUPLE OF THINGS. I AM JUST ONE PERSON. ONE VOTE.

BUT HAVING SEEN WHAT OLDTOWN HAS DONE IN PLAN COMMISSION AJ CARMEL, AND THERE LEVEL OF COMMITMENT TO THE CITY, I DO FEEL FORWARD I DO FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN. I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF AND THE DIRECTOR TO TELL US IF THEY ARE NOT COMFORTABLE. AND WITH THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I THINK, KNOWING WHAT THE PROCEDURES ARE, WE CAN STILL POSTPONE ANOTHER TWO WEEKS. I AM VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. SO -- NOT HEARD MUCH FROM HIM BUT SIMILAR FAITH IN AVENUE. I MEAN

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>> I DO NOT DISAGREE. I HAD A LOT OF HEARTBURN AT THE BEGINNING AND I GAVE JUSTIN A PRETTY HARD TIME ABOUT AVENUE AND DOING MY OWN DUE DILIGENCE. MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE NOT JUST BUILD IT, BUY IT, YOU KNOW, TAKE OFF. I ALWAYS FEEL THAT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WHATEVER BUILDER OR DEVELOPER COMES TO CARMEL, HAS SOME VESTED INTEREST. SO, YEAH, I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH YOU, ADAM. BUT AGAIN, I AM SO COMFORTABLE IF WE ARE ABLE TO TABLE IT AGAIN. YEAH, I AM NOT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. YEAH. BUT IT IS A VERY GOOD POINT. I MEAN, NO OFFENSE TO THE AVENUE.

AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. HE HAS BEEN A GOOD PARTNER WITH THE CITY. SO WE HAVE TO TRUST HIS DECISION-MAKING PROCESSES IN

CHOOSING THESE PARTNERS. >> I WILL ADD A LITTLE LATE TO THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I HAVE MY NOTES AND MAKE SURE I AM INAUDIBLE ] HERE. BUT WOULD THE NAME CONTEMPLATION OVERLOOK COME FROM? THE CONTEMPLATION OVERLOOK, IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH. WHAT ARE THEY CONTEMPLATING AS THEY LOOK AT THAT HOUSE RIGHT THERE ON MONON TRAIL, TO THE SOUTH.

>> YOU KNOW A COUPLE YEARS AGO A FORMER EXECUTIVE WITH THE CITY OF CARMEL , HE IS RETIRED NOW. HE PROPOSED THAT WE PUT A MUSIC VENUE HERE. SOMEBODY VOLUNTEERED TO DONATE INSTRUMENTS THAT PEOPLE COULD PLAY AND ENJOY A LOG MONON TRAIL. LIKE JUST KIND OF , I DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT. BUT IT WOULD BE LOUD AND ADJACENT TO MY HOUSE. AND SO I PITCHED THE IDEA OF TRANQUIL CONTEMPLATIVE , YOU KNOW ZEN GARDEN TYPE SPACE. AND THAT MADE IT INTO THE DESIGN. IT IS SELF-SERVING. I WILL ADMIT THAT. BUT THERE IS ALSO THIS BEAUTIFUL FOUR SEASON COLOR, THERE IS BMP, WILDFLOERS, IT IS A NICE PLACE TO STOP AND ENJOY THE TRANQUIL. THAT WAS THE GOAL.

>> I WILL NOTE THAT PART OF ME FEELING MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS WHOLE IDEA IS THE PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENCE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND I HAVE THE UTMOST CONFIDENCE THAT YOU WILL DO THE MOST, THE BEST THAT YOU CAN TO MAKE THIS A WONDERFUL PROJECT FOR ALL INVOLVED. SO, I GUESS WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YOU DID SECOND. OKAY. SO, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF SENDING IT TO CROSSROAD ENGINEERS WITH STIPULATION OF A TWO WEEK WINDOW AFTERWARDS TO REVISIT, SHOULD WE

NEED TO, SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, JUSTIN.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> I WANTED TO MENTION THAT ALEXIA PUTS UP A LOT WITH US, WE ARE ALWAYS DEBATING. IT IS FRIENDLY, COLLABORATIVE. I APPRECIATE HER GRACE WITH US. WE DO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CHECKED THE BOXES. WE ARE ALL ON

IT. >> THANK YOU JUSTIN AND STAFF FOR YOUR HARD WORK. AND THAT IS ALL WE HAVE TO DISCUSS TODAY. SO WE WILL SEE EVERYONE AT THE PLAN COMMISSION IN TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY.

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