[Mayor’s Advisory Commission on Arts 5-12-25]
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>>> I'M CALLING TO ORDER THE MONDAY, MAY 12TH, 2025, MEETING OF THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION ON ARTS.
FIRST ON OUR AGENDA, IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING. EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A COPY, SO I JUST NEED A MOTION TO -- AND A SECOND.
>>> NEXT UP, CARAMEL REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HENRY MESTETSKY WHO IS GOING TO PRESENT ON A MOSAIC BUTTERFLY PROJECT.
>> EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME, RIGHT?
>> OKAY. SO WE HAVE A LOCAL ARTIST NANCY KEATING MOST OF YOU KNOW WELL, DO SOME SMALL BUTTERFLY MOSAICS AND THE CITY HAS HAD THEM FOR A WHILE AND LOOKING FOR PLACE TO PUT THEM UP. WE RECENTLY GOT A GRANT FROM MY BOARD JUST A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO HELP ASSIST WITH THAT, SO THE CITY STAFF HAVE COME UP WITH TWO PLACES TO PUT THEM UP AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW THOSE TO YOU NOW AND JUST SHARE MY SCREEN REAL QUICK. IN BOTH OF THESE CASES I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE BUILDING OWNERS, SO THE FIRST ONE IS -- WHAT DOES EVERYONE SEE? NOT WHAT I WANTED.
OKAY. WHAT DOES EVERYONE SEE? THE POWER POINT?
SO THE FIRST ONE IS FOUR OF THESE.
THIS IS THE FIRST ON MAINE PROJECT.
IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN BACK THERE, BY THE WAY,WAY, THAT A -- LIKE A REALLY NICE PAY VERRED ALLEY BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND OFFICE BUILDING. THERE ARE DOORS THAT LEAD OUT OF THE BACK OF THE OFFICE BUILDING.
THERE'S LIVE STREAM LIGHTS ON TOP AND IT'S REALLY A SPECIAL EXPERIENCE THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW EXISTS. THEY THINK OF IT AS A PLACE BETWEEN A GARAGE AND AN OFFICE BUILDING, BUT IT'S A LOT NICER THAN THAT.
THIS WOULD BE FOUR PIECES THAT WOULD BE AFFIXED TO THE PRECAST -- TO THE PANELS ON THE GARAGE THAT WOULD KIND OF BECKON PEOPLE INTO THE ALLEY AND THE COLORS THAT NANCY PICKED OUT KIND OF MATCH THE REST OF THE VIBE OF THAT BUILDING.
SO FOUR OF THESE MOSAICS WOULD GO ON THIS WALL HERE AS DEPICTED IN THIS RENDERING.
THE BUILDING AGREED TO LET US DO IT, ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDS TO HELP US WITH US. THEY HAVE AGREED AND WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING A CONTACT WITH THEM THAT SAYS ONCE WE PUT THIS UP THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME IT CAN'T BE TAKEN DOWN SO WE GET THE VALUE OF WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED HERE. THAT WOULD BE FOUR MOSAICS. THE REST OF THEM WOULD GO AROUND THE EXISTING BUTTERFLIES THAT WE HAVE NOW.
THIS IS, FOR ANYONE WATCHING, IN FRONT OF THE LITTLE PLAYGROUND. THERE'S JUST A BLANK CONCRETE FACADE WALL HERE THAT HAS ALWAYS EXISTED AND TODAY THERE'S THIS ONE EXISTING BUTTERFLY AND THIS WOULD JUST SURROUND THAT WITH ADDITIONAL BUTTERFLIES, MAKE IT MORE SPECIAL. GIVE US ALREADY I THINK A PICTURE MOMENT I OFTEN SEE PEOPLE EXERCISING AND SO IT WOULD JUST LIVEN UP THIS AREA EVEN MORE.
THIS DEVELOPER, JC HEART HAS AGREED TO CONTRIBUTE $2,000 TOWARDS THE INSTALL HERE AS WELL. SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF EXISTING ART THAT WE HAVE AND IT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU KIND OF INFORMATIONALLY TO GET YOUR OPINION AND FEEDBACK, BUT THESE WOULD BE THE TWO PLACES THAT WE WOULD WORK TO AFFIX THESE LOCAL MOSAICS DONE BY LOCAL ARTIST NANCY KEATING.
>> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO.
>> HENRY, IT'S JULIA. WHAT IS THE MATERIAL OF THE BUTTERFLIES?
>> IT'S -- IT'S I THINK SHE DOES THIS WITH -- IT'S LIKE STAINGLASS. IF -- WELL, YOU'RE IN CITY HALL, ON YOUR WAY HOME YOU COULD STOP BY BECAUSE THE EXISTING BUTTERFLY IS THERE TODAY, SO IT'S A STAINGLASSED KIND OF MATERIAL AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME MATERIAL THAT YOU'VE SEEN ON THE SQUARE GARAGE WHERE
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NANCY DID THE GIANT MURALS.THESE ARE SMALLER. THE WAY SHE PUTS THEM TOGETHER THE COMMUNITY HAS LIKE MOSAIC EVENTS WHERE SHE AND LOCAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY GET TOGETHER AND THEY ALL CHIP IN AND DO THESE MOSAICS AS A COMMUNITY EVENT AND SO IT'S THE SAME KIND OF STAINED GLASS YOU'VE SEEN OR USED OTHER
>> WE'RE JUST REVIEWING THIS, AND APPRECIATE DIRECTORDIRECTOR GIVING US A PREVIEW OF THIS, SO IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR.
>> OKAY. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE ART IN PUBLIC SPACE DRAFT. REALLY, HOW THIS CAME ABOUT JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WATCH OUR MEETING LAST YEAR, WE DECIDED WE NEEDED TO COME UP WITH A WAY OF -- A PROCESS OF DONATIONS OF PUBLIC ART, BUT ALSO FOR ACQUISITIONS OF PUBLIC ART.
SO BEFORE WE WOULD CONSIDER ANY MORE DONATIONS OF ART, WE WANTED TO DEVELOP A PLAN AND SO THERE WAS A COMMITTEE OF THREE WHO INTERVIEWED ART CONSULTANTS AND THEY DECIDED TO GO WITH PLINTY TAYLOR ROSS O ART STRATEGIES LLC, TO HELP US DEVELOP THIS PLAN.
I'VE ASKED MINDY TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE DRAFTS, AND AFTER SHE IS FINISHED WITH HER PRESENTATION I INVITE THE COMMISSIONERS AND DIRECTOR MESTETSKY TO ASK QUESTIONS OR MAKE COMMENTS.
WE'LL PROBABLY START FROM THE LEFT WITH COMMISSIONER MANGOS AND GO TO THE RIGHT. THE COPIES THE COMMISSIONERS ARE LOOKING AT ARE KIND OF A SECOND DRAFT. WE RECEIVED A FIRST DRAFT AND EDITS WERE MADE BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED.
I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THE CITY PURCHASE ART. WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE BUDGETARY CONCERNS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS BUT WANT TO GET THIS PROCESS IN PLACE BEFORE WE HAVE FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MINDY TAYLOR
WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. NICE TO SEE EVERYONE.
I AM MINDY TAYLOR ROSS OWNER AND CREATOR OF ROSS STRATEGIES, A WOMAN OWNED BUSINESS IN CARAMEL, INDIANA. HAD THE GOOD PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU AND LOOKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY. TO KIND OF LEVEL- SET FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, STAFF, AND THE PUBLIC, YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN THE SCOPE OF WORK WE'VE BEEN HIRED TO PERFORM, SET UP AND ATTEND REVISION MEETINGS, REVIEW DATA GATHERED SUPPLIED BY THE CLIENT CARAMEL AND DEVELOP A PUBLIC DRAFT, PUBLIC ART GIFTS AND LOAN POLICY AND THEN TO RESEARCH AND PROVIDE EXAMPLES OF PUBLIC ART AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS FOR YOUR FUTURE CONSIDERATION GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN HERE IN THE CITY OF CARAMEL. JUST WANT TO LEVEL- SET ON THAT AND REMIND EVERYONE WE HAD OUR KICKOFF MEETING IN LATE FEBRUARY.
AT THAT MEETING, AS PART OF THAT MEETING AND WE WERE BEGINNING TO REVIEW AND COLLECT DATA, WE DID REALIZE THAT REALLY THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM IN THE CITY OF CARAMEL DOESN'T HAVE FOUNDATIONAL RESOURCES FOR YOU ALL AS COMMISSIONERS AND FOR THE PUBLIC AND SO WE ACTUALLY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD START WITH SOME KIND OF FOUNDATIONAL WORK WITH YOU ON KIND OF A VISION, GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND, PERHAPS, A WHOLISTIC PROCESS THAT PUBLIC ART PROPOSALS COULD BE RUN THROUGH, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE ORIGINATED BY THE CITY OF CARAMEL OR GIFTS AND LOANS AND THAT GIFT AND LOAN POLICY, WHICH IS PART OF OUR SCOPE, WE FELT WE HAD THE HOURS ALLOCATED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH YOU.
WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BRING THEM TO FULL REFINEMENT UNLESS WE HIT IT ON THE NOSE WITH YOU, BUT WANTED TO START TO PROVIDE THAT BACKGROUND FOR YOU.
SO A DOCUMENT WAS PROVIDED FOLLOWING THE FEBRUARY KICKOFF OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND ALSO A MID- MARCH MEETING WHERE WE MET WITH KEY RELEVANT CITY DIRECTORS AND STAFF WHO PLAY A PART IN PUBLIC ART IN CARAMEL. THEN ON APRIL 17TH, WE PROVIDED VIA E- MAIL A FIRST DRAFT WHICH WAS OUR KIND OF BIG STAB FOR YOUYOU RESPOND TO OVER ABOUT A
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WEEK TO TEN DAYS WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AND FROM THE STAFF WE MET WITH, AND THEN ON MAY 7TH, BY E- MAIL, WE SENT TO YOU A DRAFT WHERE THERE ARE CHANGES WHERE WE ATTEMPTED TO FOLD IN FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WALKING THROUGH TODAY. ALL OF THE CHANGES ARE TRACKED FOR YOU, SO EVERYONE CAN FOLLOW KIND OF WHERE WE -- HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO TODAY.I AM GOING TO SPEED THROUGH THIS, BUT IF AT ANY TIME IN AN AREA WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CHANGES YOU WANT TO STOP AND DISCUSS, OF COURSE IT'S UP TO CHAIRPERSON CAMPBELL, BUT I DO WELCOME YOU TO STOP ME AT ANY TIME AS APPROPRIATE FOR O PROCESS.
THE FRONT END HASN'T CHANGED VERY MUCH.
THIS IS INTRODUCTION AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS, ACKNOWLEDGES THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE REVIEWED AND KIND OF WEIGHED IN WITH US ON THE DISCOVERY PROCESS AND THE FIRST SECTION CALLED THE FOUNDATION. LIKE ANY PROCESS DOCUMENT THAT MIGHT TURN INTO AN ORDINANCE, WE TRY TO PROVIDE DEFINITIONS OF TERMS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN KIND OF BE ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN USING TERMINOLOGY.
SO THE ONE CHANGE YOU SEE HERE IS, OF COURSE, THERE'S ALREADY SOME CONSISTENT LANGUAGE THAT THE CITY OF CARAMEL USES WHEN IT DISCUSSES ITSELF AND SO SOME OF THAT WAS PROVIDED AND FOLDED INTO THIS LANGUAGE.
THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK. THERE WAS ONE FEEDBACK FROM A COMMISSIONER THAT ASKED FOR A LITTLE BIT OF A FURTHER DEFINITION OF WORK FOR HIRE, SO WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL WORDS HERE.
WE CAN ADD MORE. ESSENTIALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ART AND WORK FOR HIRE, WORK FOR HIRE IS USUALLY HIGHLY DIRECTED BY THE CLIENT WHO CAN EVEN THEN CLAIM AUTHORSHIP AND RETAIN COPYRIGHT TO WORK PRODUCT AND WORK. SO ART IS DIFFERENT THAT WAY.
YOU'RE NOT ENGAGING ARCHITECTS WHO DO WORK FOR HIRE OR DRAFIC DESIGNERS WHO DO WORK FOR HIGHER WHICH IS HEAVILY DIRECTED BY THE CLIENT.
ARTISTS MAY BE GIVEN A SET OF PARAMETERS OR PROJECT PROSPECTUS BUT THEY CREATE ART THAT IS FROM THEM WITHIN THEIR OWN PRACTICE EVEN IF IT'S COLLABORATIVE AND ARTISTS ALMOST ALWAYS RETAIN COPYRIGHT TO THEIR WORK. IT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.
THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON MANY OF THE OTHER DEFINITIONS, WHICH WAS GREAT. IN TERMS OF THE MISSION, THERE WAS ONE ADDITION THAT WE TOOK FROM THE COMMISSIONERS THAT PUBLIC ART DISTINGUISHES CARAMEL AND ITS QUALITY OF LIFE.
THE VISION SEEMED TO TRACK WITH EVERYONE.
WE THEN WENT ON TO SUGGEST GUIDING PRINCIPLES SO THESE WOULD BE THE GUIDE POSTS WITH WHICH YOU WOULD START TO ADJUDICATE PUBLIC ART PROPOSALS AS THEY CAME TO YOU.
AGAIN, THERE WAS JUST SOME SUGGESTION ABOUT SOME ADDITIONAL WORDS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT THESE REALLY REMAIN ENHANCED COMMUNITY CONNECTION VISIONARY AN INSPIRING CONNECT LOCALLY AND GLOBALLY AND PRESENT QUALITY OVER QUANTITY.
SO THE NEXT SECTION ON PROCESS ON THIS PART OF THIS FOUNDATIONAL KIND OF CHAPTER, THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST CHANGES AND WHERE I THINK WE PROBABLY WILL SPEND A LOT OF OUR TIME. THERE WAS A LOT TRACKED HERE, SO IF ANYTHING ISN'T CLEAR, AGAIN, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
WE WANT TO CREATE A PROCESS YOU CAN PUBLISH OUT TO THE PUBLIC, DEVELOPERS, ANYONE THAT COMES TO YOUR WEBSITE OR ANY OF YOUR OTHER INFORMATION BOARDS TO FIND OUT HOW PUBLIC ART IS HANDLED IN THE CITY OF CARAMEL.
WE DO SUGGEST DESIGNATING A COORDINATOR OF THE CARAMEL ART AND PUBLIC SPACES PROGRAM WE SUGGEST ART IN PUBLIC SPACES BECAUSE AGAIN MORE AND MORE AS YOU GET INTO PARTNERING WITH PRIVATE BUILDINGS, AS WAS SUGGESTED WITH THE BUTTERFLY, PRIVATE DEVELOPERS, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT TAXPAYER MONEY, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT MUNICIPAL PROPERTIES, IT'S ABOUT ART THAT IS PUBLIC FACING.
THAT COORDINATOR DOES NOT NEED TO BE A NEWS STAFF PERSON.
WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING ADDITIONAL STAFF LINE OR MONEY TOWARDS PROCESSES OR BUREAUCRACY, IF YOU WILL. IT'S ABOUT CREATING A STAFF PERSON THAT BECOMES A POINT PERSON FOR ALL INQUIRIES SO YOU CAN BEGIN TO CREATE A CENTRAL ARCHIVE AND INFORMATION FOR YOU ALL AND FOR YOUR PUBLIC. WE ALSO SUGGEST THAT AS STARTED HAPPENING MORE RECENTLY, BUT SHOULD CONTINUE, IS THAT WHENEVER THERE ARE PROJECTS YOU SHOULD ENSURE A QUALIFIED AND FINE ART CURATOR HAS BEEN ENGAGED TO ADVISE ON THE CURATION OF THE ART AND EXECUTE PROJECTS FROM A PROJECT MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE.
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ESTABLISHING AND PUBLISHING IT CRITERIA IS INTEGRAL AND TRANSPARENCY, AND THEN ADDING CAREER PROFESSIONALS TO THE EXISTING ADVISORY COMMISSION AND I KNOW I MIGHT NEED A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT BECAUSEIT'S MEANT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, ACCORDING TO THE WEBSITE, I'M NOT SURE HOW UP TO DATE THAT IS, MANY OF YOU EITHER ARE ROLLING OFF OR WILL ROLL OFF IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S CORRECT OR NOT, BUT SO THAT'S SPURRED PART OF OUR THINKING, BUT THE MAJOR THING THAT COMES INTO PLAY IS THAT YOU ALL ARE BROADLY AN ARTS COMMISSION, SO IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE YOU HAVE BACKGROUNDS IN PERFORMING ARTS AS WELL AS VISUAL ART AND OTHER KINDS OF ART, IF YOU WILL.WHEN YOU'R TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PUBLIC ART IT IS BEST PRACTICE THAT THE BOARD VOTING ON THOSE PROJECTS REALLY HAS MORE ROBUST CAREER PROFESSIONALS THAT HAVE BACKGROUNDS RELATED TO THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF PUBLIC ART, SO LOOKING AT ARCHITECTS IN YOUR COMMUNITY, URBAN PLANNERS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, ARTISTS WHOSE PRACTICE ENGAGES WITH PUBLIC AND PUBLIC REALM, SO I THINK IF THIS WORD IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT CONTINUES TO CONSIDER AND ADJUDICATE AND ULTIMATELY VOTE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO THE MAYOR ON PUBLIC ART, YOU REALLY SHOULD CONSIDER SORT OF BOLSTERING SOME OF THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS. SO THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF JUST BEST PRACTICES.
AND SO MOVING ON FROM THERE, WE LEARNED DURING THE FIRST INVESTIGATE OF THE FIRST DRAFT THAT THERE IS ALREADY A REALLY FULL AUTOMATED PROCESS THAT THE BOARD OF PUBLIC WORKS USES TO DEAL WITH EVENTS AS PEOPLE WANT TO PROPOSE EVENTS. THEY CAN KIND OF SEND THEM TO THE APPROPRIATE STAFF MEMBERS TO REVIEW AND KIND OF ADJUDICATE AND COORDINATE USING THIS AUTOMATED PROCESS. WE'LL GET TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE GIFTS AND LOANS SECTION BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY GOOD EXISTING PROCESS YOU CAN USE BUT WHAT THIS SECTION ICATIONS.- REALLY ATTEMPTS TO DO IS TO OUTLINE A PROFESSIONALIZED PROCESS FOR KIND OF REVIEWING AND THIS BODY TO REVIEW AND ADJUDICATE PUBLIC ART PROPOSALS. AGAIN FROM A PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE PERSPECTIVE THAT REALLY DOES MEAN PROPOSALS THAT ARE STARTED BY THE CITY OF CARAMEL AS WELL AS PROPOSALS FROM OUTSIDE FOLKS. IN MOST CITY PUBLIC ART PROGRAMS, THIS BODY WOULD ADJUDICATE ALL OF THOSE. SO THAT INCLUDES THE PROPOSAL SUCH AS THE ONE YOU JUST REVIEWED FOR THE CRC. THIS OUTLINES WHAT ONE WOULD EXPECT IN THE SUBMISSION OF A PUBLIC ART PROPOSAL. ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANT TO DO THIS IS NOT JUST TO PROFESSIONALIZE THE PROCESS BUT THIS BEGINS TO START AN ARCHIVE MOVING FORWARD OF YOUR PROJECTS. BY ASKING PEOPLE TO ALWAYS HAVE A FORMAL DESCRIPTION OF THE ART PROJECT, THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION LOCATIONS WITH MAPS AND IMAGES, RENDERINGS SUCH AS ONES YOU SAW, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND AN ITEMIZED BUDGET, YOU UNDERSTAND THE -- WHETHER IT'S PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY OR HOW LONG IT SHOULD BE UP, THESE THINGS ARE ALL REALLY IMPORTANT AND SHOULD BE OUTLINED VERY CLEARLY FOR EVERY PROJECT THAT YOU'RE REVIEWING BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF PEOPLE CAN'T OUTLINE THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD CALL INTO QUESTION WHETHER IT'S REALLY A PROFESSIONAL PROJECT THAT SHOULD REALLY BE APPROVED BY THETHE CITY.
THIS JUST OUTLINES WHAT YOU SHOULD REQUIRE IN A PROPOSAL AND THEN FROM THERE, IT WOULD GO TO THAT REN CENTRALIZED COORDINATOR WHO WOULD ROUTE IT TO THE RELEVANT STAFF PEOPLE TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE COMMENT. IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME CITY STAFF THERE WAS ALSO A SUGGESTION IT COULD THEN GO ON TO THE WEBSITE AND BE POSTED FOR SOME AMOUNT OF TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN THAT PUBLIC COMMENT WOULD BE GATHERED, AGAIN, BY THE COORDINATOR AND ONLY THEN WOULD THE PROPOSAL COME TO THIS COMMISSION WITH BOTH CITY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A WHOLISTICWHOLISTIC TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW AND ADJUDICATE. WE DID ASK A QUESTION ABOUT WHO HAS THE FINAL DECISION. I THINK IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING IT COMES TO THIS BOARD WHICH IS AN ADVISORY COMMISSION, AND THAT YOU THEN VOTE, BUT IT IS A RECOMMENDATION ONLY THAT THEN GOES TO THE MAYOR.
SO THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKING T THE TIME.
>> CORRECT. BUT THE MAYOR SAID UNLESS IT'S LIKE THE PURCHASE OF ART THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN APPROPRIATION FROM THE COUNCIL, THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE COUNCIL
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FOR FINAL APPROVAL.BENJAMIN, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT?
>> SURE. SO THERE WILL BE A PROCESS THAT STEPS AWAY FROM THIS BOARD AND STEPS AWAY FROM THE MAYOR'S AUTHORITY AS WELL WHEN IT RELATES TO A NEW APPROPRIATION, WHEREAS MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN SET ASIDE, THEN DECISIONS CAN BE MADE BY THE ADMINISTRATION AS TO HOW THAT MOVES FORWARD PURSUANT TO THE GUIDELINES THAT MAY GO BEFORE DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH IT IS.
SO IT IS A BIT MORE OFOF CUMULATIVE PROCESS BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK TO STICK WITH THIS COMMISSION IS ADVISORY AND THE FINAL DETERMINATION IS LEFT TO THE MAYOR BASED ON THE ADVICE OF THIS COMMISSION.
>> AS ART PROFESSIONALS, I'M GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR FUTURE CONSIDERATION, AS WE KNOW BECAUSE WE JUST EXPERIENCED IT, MAYORS CHANGE. AND THE FORMER MAYOR HAD ONE SORT OF PROCESS AND THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT PROCESS SHOULD LOOK LIKE RELATIVE TO PUBLIC ART, AND THIS MAYOR HAS A DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESS ABOUT WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW THAT PROCESS SHOULD RUN OUT.
THERE WAS FORMERLY A PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE THAT WAS ALSO ADVISORY, SO I JUST CAUTION YOU THAT ADVISORY COMMISSIONS, A LOT OF YOUR POWER OR LACK THEREOF DEPENDS ON THE MAYOR. SO THE MAYOR DOESN'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO JUST FROM A BEST PRACTICE STANDPOINT, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT FOR THE FUTURE.
>> SO BENJAMIN, BUT TO ESTABLISH THE PROCEDURE, WE'D HAVE TO RELY ON COUNCIL TO PASS AN ORDINANCE, CORRECT? BECAUSE WE ARE ADVISORY, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE CAN'T TELL THE CITY COUNCIL WHAT TYPE OF PROFESSIONALS THEY SHOULD APPOINT TO THE COMMISSION, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE OVERSTEPPING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STAYING IN OUR LANE.
>> SO THIS IS COMMISSION IS CREATED BY EXECUTIVE ORDER OF THE MAYOR. PREVIOUSLY, THE OTHER ARTS GOVERNING BODY WAS ESTABLISHED UNDER ORDINANCE BY COUNCIL. THAT WAS REPEALED.
AND THIS BODY EXISTS UNDER EXECUTIVE ORDER FROM THE MAYOR. SO THE AUTHORITY IS SET FOR UNDER THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER WHICH BELIEVE IS 24. 3 AND IT DOES PROVIDE AUTHORITY FOR THIS COMMISSION TO PROVIDE AND ACTUALLY DESIGNATE THE AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE THE MASTER ARTS PLAN.
SO THAT IS PART OF AND IT DOES SET FORTH IN THERE THE ROLE THAT THIS GOVERNING BODY WOULD TAKE. I CAN -- I HAVE THAT UP AS WELL IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR DIRECTLY.
>> WHAT I WOULD JUST SAY TYPICALLY YES, IT WOULD BE ALMOST LIKE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WOULD BE IN A MUCH BIGGER MASTER PLAN AND IT WOULD ALL GO INTO AN ORDINANCE AND YOU WOULD SEE MORE POWER OF THIS BODY WOULD GO INTO AN ORDINANCE.
>> QUICK QUESTION. IF A PIECE HAS TO GO TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE APPROPRIATION, WHO INFORMS THE COUNCIL? THE MAYOR, SOMEONE ON THE MAYOR'S STAFF, THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMISSION? THE PUBLIC ART COORDINATOR YOU'VE IDENTIFIED? WHO INFORMS THE COUNCIL?
>> I THINK THAT COMES DOWN TO THE MASTER ART PLAN, RIGHT. YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN THE AUTHORITY BY THE EXECUTIVE ORDER, THE MISSION OF THE COMMISSION SHALL BE TO DEVELOP A MASTER PLAN FOR PUBLIC ART.
YOU CREATE THE PROCESS AND ULTIMATELY THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO THEN IT WILL NEED TO BE RATIFIED AND IT WILL BE RATIFIED IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE THROUGH THE MAYOR, BUT POTENTIALLY COULD ALSO THEN GO TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR RATIFICATION IN AN ORDINANCE OR A RESOLUTION. BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO DO THAT. YOUR AUTHORITY COMES UNDER THE EXECUTIVE AND, THEREFORE, YOU'RE ONLY ADVISORY TO THE EXECUTIVE.
SO YOU CAN SEND IT TO THE EXECUTIVE AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE MAYOR AS TO HOW THE MAYOR WISHES TO PROCEED. BUT REALIZING AS WELL THAT THE BODY IS MADE UP THROUGH THE EXECUTIVE ORDER OF MEMBERS APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL AND MEMBERS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, SO IT IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
IN THIS EFFORT THE FOUNDING POWER IS THE EXECUTIVE POWER.
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. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO GET TO THAT AS WELL.
THAT'S 7, AND I'M LOOKING AT 8. SORRY.
I APOLOGIZE. I'M NOT SURE. OKAY.
THERE WAS SOME FORMATTING ISSUES.
MY GUESS IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF FORMATTING WHEN IT PRINTED BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN.
CAN YOU FIND WHERE WE ARE? IT SHOULD BE THE SAME DOCUMENT.
>> IT IS. I LOOKED AT 8 AND IT GOES ON TO PAGE 9, TOO. I'M GOOD.
>> SO THAT'S A THUMBNAIL SKETCH OF SORT OF MORE PROFESSIONALIZED INSTITUTIONALIZED PUBLIC ARTS PERIOD.
ANNUALLY, TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS, TOO, AGAIN THE REASON WHY YOU COLLECT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE THE COORDINATOR FOR ART IN PUBLIC SPACES WOULD PRODUCE A WORK PLAN.
ALONGSIDE ANNUAL REPORTS, BUDGETS, REGULAR BUSINESS THAT THE CITY PUBLISHES OUT, YOU WOULD ALSO PUBLISH OUT PUBLIC ART PROJECTS UNDER WAY AND THEN PUBLIC ART PROJECTS THAT ARE SORT OF MEANT TO COME ON IN THE NEXT YEAR. IT'S JUST A WAY TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW IN A TRANSPARENT WAY THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE.
WE PROVIDED A SECTION HERE ABOUT ARTIST SELECTION.
LET'S SEE. THERE IS A COMMENT HERE THAT WE HIGHLIGHTED. I BELIEVE IT WAS -- IT WAS THE DIRECTOR -- IT WAS -- SORRY. OH, IT WAS THE CRC THAT COMMENTED ABOUT THIS COMMENT ABOUT, SORRY, ADDING PEOPLE PEOPLE COMMITTEES TO SELECT ARTISTS.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS OR IF WE WANT TO TAKE THIS OUT IN THE PROCESS ABOVE AS WELL AS THE RECOMMENDATION ABOUT CONSIDERING ADDING OR OTHERWISE KIND OF BEEFING UP PUBLIC ART QUALIFICATIONS ON THE COMMISSION SERVES THIS PURPOSE AND MAYBE THIS COMES OUT.
THERE ARE TRAINS OF THOUGHT THAT EVERY TIME YOU VOTE ON A PUBLIC ART PROJECT, THERE SHOULD BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY AT TLARNLG THAT'S NEXT TO THE PROJECT SITE INVOLVED, BUT IF WE GO WITH ADDING IN PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU COULD JUST KEEP IT TO THE COMMISSION WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ADDING MORE MEMBERS TO THE COMMISSION.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST ONE PART OF WHAT THIS COMMISSION
>> THE BIGGEST PROJECT THAT WE HAVE AND WE'VE DONE THIS TWICE ARE, YOU KNOW, ADVISING THE MAYOR ON THE ARTS GRANTS.
>> I THINK THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE.
WE ARE A CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVES SO APPOINTED BY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, SO ANY THOUGHTS FROM ANYBODY ELSE?
>> I THINK THE CHALLENGES WE'RE BEING ASKED TO PROFESSIONALIZE AND CREATE TRANSPARENT PROCESS FOR PUBLIC ARTS SPECIFICALLY.
AS YOU SAID I ACKNOWLEDGE YOU HAVE A LARGER ROLE YOU'RE PLAYING, BUT IF THERE ISN'T INTEREST IN CREATING OF PUBLIC ART BODY THAT IS SPECIFICALLY WORKING ON PUBLIC ART, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THERE BE OTHER QUALIFICATIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS, THERE IS AN ARTS COUNCIL THAT ALSO REGRANTS BROADLY THE ARTS MONEY FOR THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS. THERE IS ALSO NOW A PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE IN INDIANAPOLIS WHERE THERE IS JUST A PUBLIC ART BODY THAT AJUDD CATS THOSE PROPOSAL FOR THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS AND THAT IS COMPOSED TWO ARTISTS THAT WORK IN VISUAL CULTURE AND VISUAL ART, TWO FINE ART CREATORS, AND ARCHITECTS AND URBAN PLANNER AND ONE CITY COUNCIL COUNSELORS.
THAT'S NEARBY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT IS SLIGHTLY UNUSUAL THIS SETUP THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS IF THIS BODY IS GOING TO BE ASKED TO DO BOTH, JUST HAVING SOME FURTHER QUALIFICATIONS PRESENT WITHIN THE COMMISSION WOULD BE IMPORTANT. BECAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN PUBLIC ART PROJECTS.
THERE IS THE TECHNICAL AND THERE IS THE AESTHETIC.
YOU NEED QUALIFICATIONS AROUND BOTH.
>> I MIGHT BE -- MY VISION MIGHT BE SHORT SIDED AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT HENRY HAS TO SAY ABOUT THIS. SEEMS LIKE WHAT YOU SAID IS GREAT IF WE WERE STARTING, BUT TO ME, WE HAVE A LOT OUT
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THERE. MINE SOME PEOPLE LIKE IT, SOME PEOPLE DON'T, MIGHT NOT BE COHERENT AT TIMES BUT WE HAVE A LOT OUT THERE. THIS SOUNDS MORE LIKE WE'RE STARTING FRESH AND WE'RE NOT. WHERE THE ARTS COMING IN, HENRY WHERE I WOULD LIKE YOUR COMMENT, WITH THE NEW BUILDINGS, MULTIUSE BUILDINGS, WITH THAT, THOSE -- PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING THAT ARE ARCHITECTURALS AND THAT. I BELIEVE FROM WHAT I READ THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS IS REALLY GOOD INTO THE MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING, SO I DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE A LOT OF STUFF BEING DONE BEING DONE PRETTY WELL, I THINK.PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES. BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN WE REALLY NEED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I KNOW -- BECAUSE YOU MADE A COMMENT AT ONE OF OUR FIRST TIMES WE MET ABOUT HELPING PICK OUT ART AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND WE'RE JUST NOT AT THAT -- WE'RE NOT AT THAT BEGINNING STAGE AND WE'RE NOT INDIANAPOLIS. WE'RE MUCH SMALLER THAN INDIANAPOLIS.
>> OF COURSE. I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN
EXAMPLE. >> I DON'T THINK WE NEED ALL OF THAT. I MIGHT BE SHORT SIDED AND HENRY, I WOULD LOVE YOUR THOUGHTS IF YOU THINK WE HAVE SOME OF THAT ALREADY IN PLACE.
>> JUST TO POINT OUT, THE BULK OF THE PUBLIC ART IN THE CITY OF CARAMEL WAS PICKED OUT BY MAYOR
BRAINARD. >> WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
>> WHAT YOU'VE BEEN ASKING TO DO IS TO CREATE A PROFESSIONAL AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD NOW THAT MAYOR BRAINARD IS NO LONGER THE
>> WE'RE TRYING TO ADVISE YOU ON WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AND BEST PRACTICES. SO STAFF DON'T TYPICALLY ADJUDICATE ART. THEY DON'T.
THEY WEIGH IN AND PROVIDE COMMENT BUT THEY DON'T ADJUDICATE ART.
>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET FEWER ART PIECES, BUT I COULD BE
WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE MORE LAYERS OF COMMITTEES.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THE LONG SPAN OF TIME. WE HAVE A LOT OF ART UP IN THE CITY.
WE HAVE FAIRED VERY WELL SO FAR. I THINK THAT WITH THE CURRENT PLAN AND BUILDINGS GOING UP AND THE ARCHITECTS AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS PEOPLE INVOLVED, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT ALREADY IN PLACE AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT -- I DON'T WANT TO BE INSULTING BUT THAT GERMANTOWN PLAN SO CONCISE, AND ILLUSTRATED SO CLEARLY FOR THE COMMUNITY, LET'S NOT MAKE IT MURKY AND HAVE COMMITTEE AFTER COMMITTEE. LET'S KEEP IT STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SIMPLE AND I THINK THE CITY COMMUNITY WILL APPRECIATE THAT.
>> SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE RECOMMENDING ACTUALLY THE MAKEUP OF THIS BODY WOULD CHANGE.
NOT THAT THERE WOULD BE A NEW BODY.
AS PEOPLE WOULD ROLL OFF, THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION OF OTHER QUALIFICATIONS TO AJUDD CATE THE PUBLIC ART PROJECT WHAT YOU DO. WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANOTHER COMMITTEE. THAT'S HOW THIS READS.
MESTETSKY. >> I MEAN, I -- MAYBE WE TAKE AS AN EXAMPLE THE NEXT TWO CALL THEM PROBABLY FOR A WHILE, THE LAST TWO BIG PIECES, WHICH ARE THE PIECE IN FRONT OF THE ROUNDABOUT, TWO ROUNDABOUT PIECES IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY AND HIGH SCHOOL.
ULTIMATELY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT PROCESS FOLLOWS THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION SELECTED PIECES OF ART BY WORLD- CLASS ARTIST, TOOK THEM TO THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE ART ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHICH I THINK APPROVED BOTH OF THEM AND THEN, YOU KNOW, STAFF STARTED WORKING THAT.
ON THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, IN -- AS STAFF ON THE COMMISSION I HAVE A WORLD- CLASS PLANNER, I HAVE AN ARCHITECT ON THE COMMISSION, AND WE WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AT THE STREET DEPARTMENT, NOW COMMISSIONER HIGENBOTTOM IS IN THE AUDIENCE, ENGINEERING COLLEAGUE, THE TECHNICAL STUFF IS COVERED AND ONCE THE PIECE OF ART IS SELECTED, WE ARE THEN JUST MAKING THAT MOVE FORWARD. ONCE THE ART IS SELECTED I'M NOT SURE IT MAKES SENSE TO CREATE A NEW SUBCOMMITTEE TO TRACK WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND I'M NOT SURE IT MAKES SENSE TO PAY MONEY TO ANOTHER ART CURATOR, WHICH I GUESS WOULD BE SOMEONE WE WOULD BE SPENDING MONEY ON EACH TIME, JUST TO TELL US THAT THE ART ALREADY PICKED OUT BY THE -- AND APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION DONE BY A WORLD- CLASS ARTIST IS
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OKAY OR NOT. LIKE I MEAN WE DO THIS EVERY DAY, AND SO I'M ALL FOR AS MUCH PUBLIC COMMENT AND TRANSPARENCY AT THE ONSET OF THE DECISION MAKING THAT'S HAPPENING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE ART WE'RE BUYING.BUT TO HAVE A -- SUBCOMMITTEES THAT FORM FOR YEARS TO TRACK, TO TRACK WHAT? THAT STAFF ARE FOLLOWING THROUGH AND DOING THE THINGS THAT THEY INDICATED THEY WOULD A YEAR AND A HALF BEFORE? I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY SOME GOVERNMENT OVERKILL FROM MY END. I JUST HOPE THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON DOING THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS IS THOROUGH, BUT ONCE THAT PASSES, OR ONCE THAT GETS ITS APPROVAL, I JUST HOPE THAT YOU CAN LET THE STAFF DO WHAT THEY DO AND THEN WORK THOSE PIECES OF ART. I'LL SAY THAT.
I DO WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER QUICK POINT. I MEAN, THERE IS A SLIGHT CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, GETS MONEY SEPARATE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL'S MONEY AND I -- IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION EARLIER, I FULLY SUPPORT THAT THIS IS A MAYOR FINCOM EXECUTIVE LED COMMISSION BECAUSE CONSTITUTIONALLY IF THE -- IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO SPEND MONEY ON A PIECE OF ART AND VOTES TO SPEND MONEY ON A PIECE OF ART, THE CITY COUNCIL CANNOT TELL IT NOT TO. THAT'S HOW STATE STATUTE WORKS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S A 3- 2 COMMISSION.
I JUST WHOOP URGE US TO BE CAUTIOUS SO WE'RE NOT GETTING TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY, HE MEANS THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION CAN SPEND MONEY AND DOESN'T NEED COUNCIL
APPROVAL. >> HE'S ALSO REFERENCING HIS BOARD WHICH IS NOT THE BOARD THAT OVERSEES ANY OTHER PUBLIC ART THAT DOESN'T COME TO HIS BOARD.
>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE TWO POINTS.
THE SIMPLE ONE FIRST ABOUT WITH THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC ART ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THERE WAS AN EXISTING PROCESS FOR DOCUMENTATION SUBMISSION, SO JUST IN THE INTEREST OF CONSULTANT HOURS WE START WITH THAT AND MAKE IT MORE PROFESSIONAL. I THINK IT MIGHT CHECK SEVEN OUT OF TEN OF YOUR BOXES TO GET IT DONE. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CONSIDER THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. I WILL ALSO SAY I HAVE KNOWN THESE PROFESSIONALS FOR A LONG TIME AND MIGHT NOT BE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING. I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY ONE MORE TIME TO TELL US WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SUGGESTING. IS THAT OKAY?
>> THERE SEEMS TO BE CONFUSION THAT AGAIN WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A NEW STAFF POSITION. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING A NEW COMMITTEE. WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THERE IS A STAFF PERSON -- YOU ALL ALREADY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A STAFFER, MELISSA IS WHO WE MET THAT SORT OF STAFFS THIS COMMISSION, SO IT WAS ABOUT HAVING A CENTRALIZED POINT PERSON SO AGAIN WE WERE NOT AWARE OF THE PROCESS OF THE LAST COMMITTEE.
THIS IS THE FIRST WE'RE HEARING ABOUT IT.
SO WE'RE JUST SUGGESTING THERE'S A CENTRALIZED POINT PERSON THAT WOULD BECOME ALMOST LIKE AN ARCHIVIST AND STAFFER FOR THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM AND THIS COMMISSION SO THEY CAN BE GATHERING IN ONE SPACE AND ARCHIVING THE INFORMATION. AND I'M NOT RECOMMENDING ANOTHER SUBCOMMITTEE OR ANOTHER COMMISSION.
OR COMMISSIONER ROLLS OFF THE BOARD THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD LEND THEMSELVES MORE TO QUALIFIED DECISIONS ABOUT FUTURE PUBLIC AP.
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BALANCE BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE ARTS GRANTS AS WELL AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK I CAN DISCUSS WITH THE MAYOR AS WELL. TO YOUR POINT HAVING A CENTRAL POINT PERSON AND IT WAS AFTER A BPW MEETING THAT I THOUGHT WE COULD REALLY STREAMLINE THIS WHOLE PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAD SEVERAL THINGS HAPPEN WHERE AN ART CONSULTANT WAS WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER AND CONTACTED ME AND ALSO CONTACTED SEVERAL DIRECTORS. AND IT WAS -- SHE WAS VERY VAGUE WITH DETAILS BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS
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PROJECT IS, WHO APPROVED IT AND SHE HAD ANOTHER PROJECT THAT ENDED UP BEING SOUTH 96TH STREET SO IT WASN'T EVEN IN THE CITY OF CARAMEL AND THEN ALSO WHEN THE STATUTES WERE PROPOSED LAST YEAR, I DID A LOT OF RUNNING AROUND TALKING TO DIRECTOR HIGENBOTHAM AND JEREMY CASHMAN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HEY, IS THIS THE RIGHT ART FOR THAT ROUNDABOUT. I THINK THIS KIND OF PROCESS AND I BELIEVE KELLY DOUGLAS RECOMMENDED HAVING BETH WHO HANDLES BPW AS WELL BE THAT POINT PERSON BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T BE ME. IT WOULD BE SOMEBODY DEALING WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE CONFUSION THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS WITH THESE OTHER PROJECT.>> AND THESE DUTIES RESIDE WITH A STAFFER VERSUS A BOARD THAT CHANGES. IT'S A STAFFER THAT STAFFS THE COMMISSION. THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY REGARDING HENRY'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE LAST TWO PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, WE DID UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY A PROFESSIONAL CURATOR INVOLVED IN THOSE PROJECTS.
I THOUGHT, HENRY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE MAYOR WORKED -- AND YOU WORKED WITH KODA WORKS.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. AND ARLEN BAYLESS, THE PREVIOUS MAYOR, USED ARLEN BAYLESS AS AN ADVISORY ADVISER ON THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A MANDATORY PROCESS EVERY TIME KIND OF THING.
>> THEN WHO IS THE QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL SELECTING THE ART?
>> YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE -- IF I COULD GIVE ONE MORE EXAMPLE, AT THIS POINT IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT A LOT OF THE ART THAT WE WILL HAVE COMING ARE PART OF REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
IF THEY'RE PART OF REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, THESE ARE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR DEALS USING PRETTY BIG ARCHITECTURE FIRMS THAT OFTENS HAVE ART CURATORS AND ART PROFESSIONALS AS PART OF THE÷÷THE ALREADY ON THE SIDE OF THE DEVELOPER. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT THEN ALSO PAYING MONEY TO OTHER ART CURATORS ON TOP OF THAT WHEN IMATELY WE'RE JUST HERE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING FOR THIS COMMISSION TO DISCUSS.
AGAIN, IT JUST GOES BACK TO ENSURING THAT THERE IS A BODY OF COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE QUALIFIED THEN TO ADJUDICATE.
THE DEVELOPER'S TEAM IS LOOKING OUT FORT DEVELOPER'S INTEREST, NOT THE CITY OF CARAMEL'S
INTEREST. >> BUT I'M SORRY, THE DEVELOPERS -- THESE ARE PUBLIC REDEVELOPMENT STAFF IN THE CONVERSATION, SO BEFORE I CAN BODY,
>> UNDERSTOOD. IT'S JUST TYPICALLY, AGAIN, CITIES WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY ON THEIR STAFF WITH PUBLIC ART QUALIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON BEST PRACTICES. IT IS, OBVIOUSLY, ULTIMATELY UP TO THIS BODY AND THE MAYOR TO DETERMINE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THE CITY. WE UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THINGS WERE HANDLED PREVIOUSLY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET OUT OF HAVING SINGULAR STAFF OR SMALL GROUPS OF STAFF WITHOUT PUBLIC ART QUALIFICATIONS JUST KIND OF UNILATERALLY MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT PUBLIC ART SO IT WAS OUR ATTEMPT AS BOTH CITIZENS OF THE CITY AND QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE WORKED IN THE INDUSTRY FOR 25 YEARS TO BRING THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU.
ULTIMATELY YOU CAN DECIDE THEY DON'T WORK FOR THE CITY.
IN THE ARTIST SELECTION PROCESS TO KEEP US MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS SOME PRETTY STANDARD LANGUAGE. IT WAS OUR GOAL TO PROVIDE THIS FOUNDATIONAL INFORMATION SO THAT IF YOU WANTED TO INCLUDE IT IN A FUTURE ORDINANCE OR IF YOU WANTED LIKE RIGHT AWAY TO PUT IT ON A WEBSITE OR SOMETHING TO BE, AGAIN, MORE TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC WHO MAY START COMING TO YOU, THAT THIS INFORMATION WOULD BE SORT OF READY FOR YOU TO USE.
SAME THING REGARDING CONTRACTS. AS HENRY KNOWS, THESE ARE BASIC KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO LOOK FOR AND SEE IN A CONTRACT. WE DISCUSSED SIGNAGE AT OUR KICKOFF MEETING. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THERE IS A SORT OF STANDARD SIGN THAT CARAMEL USES AND, PERHAPS, MAYBE HAS TO BE RETHOUGHT. I'M NOT SURE GIVEN WHAT WAS LEARNED. AND THEN JUST BASIC INFORMATION THAT SHOULD ALWAYS APPEAR ON A SIGN. THEN WE TOUCHED JUST A VERY LITTLE BIT ON MAINTENANCE.
SO, AGAIN, THAT IS JUST FOUNDATIONAL KIND OF BEST PRACTICES AND AS WE COULD SEE THEM APPLYING TO CARAMEL IN THE CITY OF CARAMEL. THAT ISN'T WORK WE WERE ENGAGED
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TO DO. IT'S INFORMATION WE WANTED TO PROVIDE TO HELP PROVIDE FOOD FOR THOUGHT, FRANKLY, FOR THIS COMMISSION AND FOR THE MAYOR.GIFTS AND LOANS. THIS BODY WAS KEEN TO GET ON BECAUSE AS CITY INITIATED PUBLIC ART MIGHT SLOW DOWN, THERE IS GIFTS AND LOANS THAT START TO COME YOUR WAY. THE CITY OF CARAMEL IS INTERESTED IN HAVING PUBLIC ART AS PART OF ITS COMMUNITY.
THE PROCEDURES FOR THE REVIEW OF GIFTS AND LOANS OF ART, BASICALLY FOLLOWS THE PROCESS THAT YOU JUST SAW ABOVE.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT IN THE WORDING BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS IS LIKELY AN EXISTING ARTWORK SO IT'S ASKING FOR INFORMATION ABOUT AN EXISTING ARTWORK, THE VALUATION OF THAT ARTWORK, AND ASK THEM TO SPEAK ABOUT ITS APPROPRIATENESS, ITS CONDITION.
THIS IS A WAY, AGAIN, TO ENSURE THAT ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO BRING YOU A PROPOSAL, IS PREPARED TO OUTLINE THIS INFORMATION AND UNDERSTANDS THIS IS INFORMATION THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE EDUCATED DECISIONS.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THOSE PROPOSALS WOULD BE ROUTED BY THE CENTRALIZED EXISTING STAFF MEMBER, LIKELY TO BE BETH.
THEY WOULD BE REVIEWED BY RELEVANT STAFF.
THEIR COMMENTS WOULD BE COLLECTED. THEY COULD, AGAIN, BE POSTED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU LIKE TO GIVE THE PUBLIC AND ESPECIALLY ADJACENT STAKEHOLDERS OF THE LOCATION THE ART IS PROPOSED TO GO TIME TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE COMMENT AND THEN ALL OF THAT WOULD BE ROUTED TO YOU ALL TO REVIEW AND ADJUDICATE AND MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR.
WE WOULD, OF COURSE, ALWAYS PROPOSE THAT AS PART OF THIS YOU WOULD PUBLISH OUT THE CRITERIA TO PEOPLE BRINGING YOU WORKS OF ART AS A GIFT OR A LOAN KNOW THIS IS THE CRITERIA YOU'RE GOING TO BE WEIGHING THAT OUT AGAINST.
IN THEIR NARRATIVE, IF THEY'RE A GOOD PROPOSAL OR GRANT WRITER, YOU WOULD SPEAK TO EACH ONE OF THESE CRITERIA TO MAKE THEIR CASE FOR WHY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT FITS WITHIN YOUR PUBLIC ART PROGRAM.
MAINTENANCE IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT AND ENSURE THAT THEY ARE SPEAKING TO THE MAINTENANCE THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THIS GIFT OR LOAN. WE SUGGEST THAT YOU ASK THEM TO PROVIDE SOME FINANCIAL RESOURCES THAT COULD GO INTO AN ENDOWMENT FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF ANY GIFT OR LOAN THAT IS RECEIVED. THIS BOTTOM PART WHERE YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTS IS JUST BECAUSE SINCE WE'RE WORKING QUICKLY ON THIS AND DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW ALL THE INNER WORKINGS WE JUST NEED TIME PROBABLY WITH HENRY OR MAYBE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL TO DESIGN WHAT SOME OF THIS NEEDS TO SAY.
THAT'S KIND OF IT IN A NUTSHELL.
WE ALSO HAVE THIS LOWER PART WHICH WAS PART OF OUR WORK WHICH IS THE PUBLIC ART AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE EXAMPLES. WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS PROVIDE SEVERAL DIFFERENT KINDS OF EXAMPLES OF ORDINANCES WHERE PRIVATE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN PROVIDING PUBLIC ART IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S TYPICALLY DONE TWO WAYS.
THEY CAN EITHER USE A PERCENTAGE OF MONEY TO BE DETERMINED, AND, AGAIN, THERE IS A COMMENT IN HERE FROM HENRY ABOUT THE PERMISSION AND THE TYPOLOGIES OF PROJECTS AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IN A SECOND, BUT TYPICALLY THEY EITHER TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET AND THEY USE IT TO PRODUCE PUBLIC ART WITHIN THEIR DEVELOPMENT THAT, AGAIN, WOULD STILL NEED TO COME TO THIS BODY AND BE VOTED ON AND RECOMMENDED, OR THEY TAKE THAT SAME AMOUNT AND THEY PUT IT INTO A PUBLIC ART FUND AND BY ORDINANCE YOU CAN WRITE THAT THAT PUBLIC ART FUND CAN BE USED FOR VARIOUS THINGS.
MONEYS CAN BE GANGED UP AND USED FOR PUBLIC ART DIRECTED BY THE CITY OF CARAMEL. SOMETIMES IT'S WRITTEN IT CAN BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE. SOMETIMES IT'S WRITTEN IT CAN BE USED TO HELP UNDERWRITE THAT CENTRALIZED STAFF PERSON. THAT'S USUALLY THE TWO WAYS THAT PRIVATE DEVELOPERS CAN FULFILL A PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE. HENRY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK TO YOUR COMMENT.
I WILL SAY PUBLIC ART ORDINANCES ARE THE REASON WE PROVIDE EXAMPLES.
LIKE MOST ORDINANCES YOU CAN WRITE THESE IN A LOT OF WAYS. YOU CAN EXEMPT PROJECTS AND SAY TO HENRY'S EXAMPLE THAT A STRIP MALL MAYBE DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC ART.
MAYBE IT DOES. IF IT DOESN'T IN THIS CITY, THEN YOU CAN DECIDE IF THERE'S A PERSONAL, THERE'S A LOWER PERCENTAGE NO PERCENTAGE AT ALL, OR IF THAT MONEY IS JUST HAS TO BE PUT IN THE PUBLIC ART FUND, FOR EXAMPLE. SOME ORDINANCES ARE WRITTEN THAT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ART ORDINANCES THAT LIKE IF YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW JAIL, A PUBLIC ART NEW JAIL, BUT INSTEAD THAT IS PUT IN THE PUBLIC ART FUND AND USED FOR MORE UNIVERSALLY PUBLIC FACING PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE. SO THESE CAN BE WRITTEN VERY SPECIFICALLY TO A COMMUNITY TO
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REALLY FULFILL YOUR GOALS, AND SO THOSE EXAMPLES ARE BELOW. AND THEN WE PROVIDE AN APPENDIX OF JUST SOME OTHER STUDIES AND ADDITIONAL MATERIALS JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMISSIONERS.>> I'M HAPPY TO RESPOND TO THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SEE ANYONE. IS THAT OKAY? I MEAN, HONESTLY, LET ME JUST REITERATE MY COMMENT JUST SO -- BECAUSE I THINK IT PAINTS A GOOD PICTURE.
I MEAN, I THINK GENERALLY I WOULD REQUEST THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS EXEMPT FROM THESE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS ARE DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING JUST BEING DONE BY ITSELF LIKE IS SOMEONE BUILDING JUST AN OFFICE BUILDING IN A BIG PARKING LOT, OKAY, SUBJECT THEM TO WHATEVER RULES YOU WANT TO, BUT AS I AM TAKING A PROJECT THE CITY FOR CONSIDERATION INAUDIBLE ] .
THERE'S -- THESE LIKE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS COST TO ANYTHING OR ARE GOING TO BE LIKE WITH RESPECT TO SITE FEES WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS WE TAKE A PROJECT TO CITY COUNCIL, WE ADD THE REQUEST OF WHAT WE WANT THE FEES TO BE USED FOR, COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND THEY APPROVE THE PROJECT. THE FLEXIBILITY IS NEEDED.
THE COMMENT I MAKE IS IF WE'RE GOING TO JUDGE -- IT WASN'T A WE'RE GOING TO JUDGE ART BY THIS IS HOW MUCH SPACE A NEW PROJECT MIGHT TAKE YOU UP, THIS IS THE PARCEL OF LAND SOMEBODY IS GOING TO WALK BY AND EXPERIENCE ART, THEN YOU COULD HAVE THE SAME EXAMPLE PIECE OF LAND AND IF IT'S LIKE A STRIP CENTER IT'S PROBABLY A $15 MILLION PROJECT THAT IS A 2% SUGGESTION IN THE TEXT IT WOULD GENERATE $300,000 OF REQUIRED ART FUNDING IF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION PUTS A BUNCH OF CITY MONEY, WHETHER IT'S OTHER INCENTIVES, TAXPAYER MONEY INTO A PROJECT TO MAKE IT A REALITY IN THE FIRST PLACE, IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT THAT SAME EXACT PIECE OF LAND NOW HAS A $100 MILLION PROJECT ON IT INSTEAD OF $15 MILLION.
THAT RESULTS IN $2 MILLION USING THAT 2% METRIC OF ART FUNDING THAT'S JUST GOING TO BREAK SO THE REQUEST IS PLEASE DON'T APPLY ANY KIND OF RIGID RULES TO PUBLIC- PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, AKA CRC PROJECTS BECAUSE THE FLEXIBILITY IS WHAT ENABLES THEM TO FUNCTION IN THE FIRST PLACE AND IT SHOULD REALLY BE A CITY COUNCIL WHETHER THEY ARE APPROVED OR NOT AND PUTTING FINANCIAL REQUIREMENTS ON PROJECTS THAT BREAK THEM TO BEGIN WITH BY VIRTUE OF THEM BEING PUBLIC- PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS IS PROBABLY NOT THE WAY WE WANT TO GO.
>> COMMISSIONER ULBRICHT. >> I ECHO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, HENRY. THIS IS, AT LEAST IN THE CITY OF CARAMEL, INDIANA, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS HOW THOSE ARE GOING THROUGH AND WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT PROCESS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DELAY THOSE PROJECTS AND REQUIRE ANOTHER LEVEL OF APPROVALS THAT DOESN'T NEED TO HAPPEN. AND --
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I THINK ANY OF US -- AT LEAST I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN.
I, YOU KNOW, HAVE A UNIQUE QUALIFICATION SITTING HERE THAT I DID WORK, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENCY, WITH THE CITY OF CARAMEL AND WITH HENRY, SO I DO HAVE A KNOWLEDGE ON HOW THOSE PROJECTS WENT THROUGH AND MANY HOURS REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETINGS AND THEY DO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY DO KNOW HOW TO VET PROJECTS AND A LOT OF THE TERMS OF THESE ART OR THE ART DESIGN OR PROJECTS WILL BE IN TERM SHEETS AND OTHER APPROVALS THAT HAVE BEEN VETTED. SO I DO THINK AN EXEMPTION FOR CRC PROJECTS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE.
>> IF I CAN GIVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT THEM WHAT BENEFIT ARE THEY PROVIDING FOR THE CITY? SO PRETTY CLEARLY ART IS A BENEFIT. ANOTHER BENEFIT IS PUBLIC PARKING. SO IF YOU TAKE ACROSS-THE-
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BOARD PROVIDE ART FUNDING, YOU'RE PROBABLY APPLYING THAT TO PROJECTS THAT AREN'T PROVIDING PUBLIC PARKING. HERE PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS PROVIDE PUBLIC PARKING AND WE'RE TAKING AWAY THE ABOUT TO GET REVENUE AS A SOURCE BECAUSE WE'RE FORCING THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THE PARKING PUBLIC.THAT'S THE BENEFIT THAT WE'RE GETTING.
IF WE'RE THEN TAGGING THEM ON FOR ANOTHER $2 MILLION FOR EVERY $100 MILLION OF THE PROJECT, IT'S FRANKLY TOO MUCH. AND MAYBE THAT DECISION ABOUT WHAT WE WANT NEEDS TO BE MADE AT CITY COUNCIL/MAYOR LEVEL.
>> I AGREE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC? OKAY.
>> JUST ONE OTHER NOTE THERE ARE ORDINANCES AND EXAMPLES WE'VE PROVIDED WHERE THE PERCENTAGE IS BASED ON THE TIF OR THE SUBSIDY BEING GIVEN BY THE CITY. IT DOESN'T, AGAIN, HAVE TO BE BASED ON THE FULL BUDGET. THESE THINGS ARE NUANCED AND THEY CAN BE WRITTEN IN VERY DIFFERENT WAYS.
YOU CAN WRITE THE BUDGET IS FOR BENEFIT AND DECIDE WHAT PUBLIC BENEFIT IT'S USED FOR.
>> THANK YOU. IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE REALLY GOOD BASIC PRINCIPLES WE'RE DISCUSSING AND I BELIEVE THAT WE THEN ALSO HAVE SOME PRINCIPLES THAT WE OUGHT TO NOTE FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION.
THIS WOULD BE ONE. WE ALSO HAVE THE IMPACT OF HB- 1 AND WHAT IT'S DOING TO PUBLIC ENTITIES AND THEIR BUDGETS EVERYWHERE IN THE STATE OF INDIANA. I THINK WHILE WE SEEK TO UNDERSTAND THAT IMPACT, LAYERING THIS IN, WOULD BE ANOTHER REASON WHY RIGHT NOW IT MAY BE TOO MUCH, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD ASK THAT WE UNDERSTAND AT A FUTURE TIME.
>> ALSO, LIKE THIS IS THE START OF SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS ELEMENTS OF A MASTER PLAN BUT THIS IS NOT A MASTER PLAN.
THAT WAS PART OF IT. I THINK YOU NEED TO ALSO THINK ABOUT WHERE ART SHOULD EXIST IN YOUR COMMUNITY, WHERE IT DOESN'T RIGHT NOW, WHAT IT CAN DO IN THE FUTURE, AND SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT. IT'S THE NOW NOW AND YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS ON THIS REALITY, BUT WHAT DOES CARAMEL LOOK LIKE IN 20 YEARS. DO YOU WANT TO REFRESH DOWNTOWN AND PUT IN DIFFERENT SCULPTURES AND USE ART AS A WAY TO GENERATE, YOU KNOW, MORE COMMUNITY GATHERING IN CERTAIN PLACES? DO YOU MOVE THINGS AROUND? YOU KNOW, MOVING SOMETHING FROM HERE OVER.
IT'S LIKE THERE ARE A LOT MORE ELEMENTS TO PUBLIC ART PLANNING THAN JUST WHAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT. >> SOME OF THESE PIECES.
AND SO ALSO, A PUBLIC ART FUND JUST HOW DOES THE CITY CARE FOR ITS ART. I KNOW WE HAD LOOKED AT SORT OF HOW MUCH IT COST TO CARE FOR THE BRONZES THAT ARE THERE. HOW DO YOU CREATE A PROCESS TO HAVE LIKE A FUNDING STREAM THAT'S DEDICATED TO THAT THAT WILL BE THERE NO MATTER THE SITUATION SO WHETHER IT'S 2% PUBLIC ART PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT OR SOME OTHER ASPECT THAT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT HOW YOU ARE SORT OF CARING FOR THINGS IN THE FUTURE REGARDLESS WHETHER YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COMMISSION ART FOR ANOTHER TEN YEARS.
>> COMMISSIONER. >> I DO HAVE A -- I WANT TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT ONLY BECAUSE I'M STILL SLIGHTLY CONFUSED ON ONE OF THE POINTS YOU'RE SAYING. SO MAYBE I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE, BUT I'M HEARING YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT WANTING TO ADD A POINT PERSON OR YOU'RE NOT WANTING TO ADD A POSITION, BUT YOU WANT TO ADD A PROFESSIONAL STAFF PERSON TO BE THE POINT PERSON.
SO I GUESS I'M JUST CONFUSED BECAUSE MAYBE I'M SAYING THAT INCORRECTLY, YOU DON'T WANT TO ADD ANYTHING BUT I'M NOT HEARING ANYBODY YOU'RE SAYING HAS A BACKGROUND TO DO WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO.
DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN MIND NOW?
>> I THINK MAYBE YOUR -- TWO OF OUR POINTS ARE COLLIDING POTENTIALLY IN YOUR COMMENT.
>> SO THE COORDINATOR FOR THE CARAMEL ART AND PUBLIC SPACES PROGRAM IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN CALLING IT IN THE DOCUMENT.
>> SURE. >> IT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS KELLY DOUGLAS' STAFFER BETH.
>> THIS IS A CENTRALIZED FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON. THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT EXISTS WITHIN THE CITY OF CARAMEL RECEIVING THESE AUTOMATED EVENT REQUESTS, SO WE WOULD BE STARTING TO RECEIVE THE AUTOMATED PUBLIC ART REQUESTS PLUS I AM SUGGESTING ANY OTHER PUBLIC ART REQUEST ALSO WOULD BE HAPPENING COMING THROUGH THE CITY THAT ARE CITY GENERATED. A KEEPER OF INFORMATION.
TO THE CHAIRPERSON'S EXAMPLE SHE'S GETTING CALLS AS A VOLUNTEER FROM A DEVELOPER WHO IS CHASING CARAMEL'S
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PROCESS BECAUSE THAT PROCESS DOESN'T EXIST ONLINE. IN A WAY LIKE THIS DOCUMENT STATES. THEY'RE ACTUALLY INQUIRING ABOUT THESE THINGS AND THE CHAIRPERSON IS GOING AROUND TALKING TO STAFFERS AND PEOPLE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN IT'S NOT A PROJECT IN CARAMEL.IT'S PROVIDING A STAFF PERSON TO BECOME THE CENTRALIZED POINT PERSON FOR THE WORK. THE SECOND POINT WAS IN KEEPING THE IDEA OF A QUALIFIED CURATORCURATOR BEING PART OF YOUR PROCESS, AND I KNOW HENRY IS USING SOME SPECIFIC EXAMPLE SO I WILL USE ONE AS WELL. FOR EXAMPLE, WHO IS REALLY DECIDING THAT THE BUTTERFLIES SHOULD GO UP? YOU KNOW, SHOULD THEY BE PERMANENT? SHOULD THEY BE TEMPORARY? SHOULD THEY GO UP AT ALL? LIKE THERE'S NO CLEAR PROCESS THAT THESE THINGS ARE GOING THROUGH NOW.
AGAIN, OUR ATTEMPT WAS JUST TO TRY TO PROFESSIONALIZE AND CREATE A STANDARDIZED PROCESS THAT THEN COULD BE PUBLISHED OUT FOR STAFF AND YOUR PUBLIC.
OKAY. >> ARE THERE OTHER POINTS PEOPLE WANT TO GO BACK TO.
COMMISSIONER MANGOS. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO -- AS HENRY WAS TALKNG ABOUT EARLIER, I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE THE WHOLE BIG ORGANIZATIONAL CHART SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT SO OVER INFLATED, AND I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE THAT WE CONSIDER ART CURATORS, SPECIALIST, WE HAVE ARTISTS ON THIS PLAN AND WORKING WITH THE CRC. I WANT TO TRY TO MAKE THIS AS STREAMLINED AS POSSIBLE SO WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND THEN IN MY MIND, CHOOSING A PIECE OF ART THAT'S GOING TO SIT IN A MUSEUM, IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN CHOOSING A PUBLIC ART.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO GO SO HEAVILY ON THE DECISION OF AN ARTIST TO BE LIKE THE FINAL WORD AS TO WHAT'S ART BECAUSE SOME OF US ARE ALREADY ARTISTS.
IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROCESS OF ASSESSING SOMETHING IN THE PUBLIC THAT THE PUBLIC LIKES RATHER THAN A VALID WORK OF ART THAT'S IN A MUSEUM BUT BE CONTROVERSIAL OR SORT OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING ANY SENSE. I JUST WANT TO BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF OUR COMMITTEE.
SORRY. AGAIN TO CLARIFY, WE CAN PUT THIS IN A CHART IF YOU WANT, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THE WORK CHART CHANGES AT ALL. WE'RE JUST SUGGESTING BETH BECOMES A CENTRALIZED POINT PERSON.
TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR AGAIN.
IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S A POINT PERSON.
IT'S STILL THIS COMMISSION AND THE CRC.
NO ADDITIONAL BUREAUCRACY BEING ADDED.
THAT. >> I THINK IN ONE OF OUR EARLY CONVERSATIONS YOU MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A SUBCOMMITTEE OF LIKE PROFESSIONALS AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING CAUGHT UP
ON -- >> THAT'S NOT IN THIS DRAFT.
>> YEAH. >> AND THEN ON THE ART SIDE, OF COURSE, WE ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU. TO REITERATE, 100% MUCH OUR PRACTICE -- NOT 100%. WE HAVE SOME PRIVATE CLIENTS.
90% OF OUR PRACTICE IS PUBLIC FACING.
WE DON'T CUR RATE FOR MUSEUMS. SO AGREED, IT IS VERY DIFFERENT.
>> BUT THERE ARE STILL PROFESSIONALS IN PUBLIC SPACE THAT REALLY WORK IN PUBLIC SPACE FOR A LIVING.
>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER DUNN, ANYTHING ADDITIONAL?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STARTING POINTS THAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH.
I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, GREAT.
I THINK FROM OUR DISCUSSION JUST THAT ARTIST SELECTION PARAGRAPH, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED IT AT LENGTH, BUT I THINK JUST WHETHER YOU READ IT IT REALLY DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S FORMING A SUBCOMMITTEE SO I THINK WE SHOULD JUST SCRATCH THAT.
I LEFT IT IN THERE TO SHOW WE WERE CLEANING UP THE PROCESS PART. HENRY MADE THE COMMENT SO WE WANTED TO LEAVE HIS COMMENT IN THE
DOCUMENT. >> I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONLY OUR SECOND YEAR OF THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SO I THINK THAT'S ALSO A -- THIS IS GOING TO EVOLVE OVER TIME AND YOUR POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN, THAT IN THE FUTURE I THINK WE'RE A VERY DIVERSE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHICH I THINK IS GREAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A GOOD KIND OF OVERALL REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR COMMITTEE AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO BRING TO THE TABLE.
SO I REALLY LIKE THAT ABOUT THE CURRENT COMMISSION.
BUT I THINK GOING FORWARD IT WILL EVOLVE AND MAY
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VERY WELL INCLUDE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WITH BACKGROUNDS. I THINK WE HAVE REALLY GOOD SUPPORT FROM THE CITY AND HENRY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT PROVIDE THOSE BACKGROUNDS. THAT'S GREAT.>> I JUST LAD A QUESTION. HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY ART LOANED TO CARAMEL? DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EVEN --
>> I AM NOT AWARE. THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION?
>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2017.
>> I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING I WAS LIKE OH, IS THIS SOMETHING WE WANT TO EVEN PUT INTO HERE AT THIS POINT.
OR DO WE WAIT AND POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ROAD IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE CONSIDERING OR NOT CONSIDERING IN THIS DRAFT.
>> THE ONLY PLACE I WOULD THINK THAT MAY HAVE CAME UP WOULD BE AT THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND -- IT WAS OUTSIDE THE OLD CHOCOLATE FACTORY. WHATEVER IS THERE NOW.
THAT LITTLE -- >> YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.
>> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A ROTATING ART SPACE OR SOMETHING LIKE
TRUE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ON LOAN PER SE ON LOAN.
>> COMMISSIONER SALTSGAVER. COMMISSIONER ULBRICHT, ANY ADDITIONAL?
>> NO. I WANT TO ECHO I REALLY BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD HAS SOME RELEVANT BACKGROUND FOR THE PURPOSE THAT WE ARE IN TODAY.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LET CITY STAFF AND THEIR EXPERTISE DO WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING AND CONTINUE TO BE -- WILL BE DOING IN THE FUTURE WITH RESPECT TO THE ART.
I THINK THAT THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY ARE EXCEPTIONAL AND THEY HAVE A VERY UNIQUE SKILL SET.
MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN HERE FOR DECADES.
AND WHILE THEY MAY NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, ART DEGREE, THEY ARE -- THEY KNOW THE COMMUNITY AND THEY KNOW -- THEY'VE BECOME THEIR OWN EXPERTS IN A FIELD THAT IS EVER EVOLVING.
BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE CONTINUITY AND JUST BECAUSE MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE A TECHNICAL DEGREE? WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I DON'T WANT ANY COMMENTS HERE TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE ALL HAVE A BACKGROUND TO BE HERE TODAY AND THAT THIS PROCESS LOOKING FORWARD WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GLYNN, COMMENTS?
>> WOULD YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC.
>> SORRY. I WANTED TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING SHE SAID, SO I WON'T REPEAT ANY OF THAT.
I -- COMING BACK ON YOUR COMMENT, I -- THE GIFTS AND LOANS I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SUGGEST LEAN INTO SECTIONS, NOT TOGETHER, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LOANS YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, BUT I DO KNOW WE'VE HAD TWO GIFTS PEOPLE WANTED TO AND WE'VE HAD TO FORTUNATELY/UNFORTUNATELY TURN THEM DOWN DUE TO A VARIETY OF REASONS AND THAT'S WHAT STARTED ALL OF THIS.
IT WAS HARD TO GO BACK AND SAY, SORRY, BUT NO, THANK YOU, WITHOUT HAVING ANY GUIDING PRINCIPLES ON WHY WRITTEN DOWN PREVIOUSLY.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST PUTTING THOSE TWO THINGS IN DIFFERENT BUCKETS.
AND THEN I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION, BUT I REMEMBER HENRY SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT -- THIS WOULD BE FOR THE FUTURE, BUT I WANTED TO BE DOCUMENTED FOR THE FUTURE IF I'M CORRECT IN WHAT I REMEMBER HIM SAYING, IS IF WE DO SAY, OH, WELL YOU HAVE TO PUT I'LL JUST SAY $10,000 IF IT'S A CRC PROJECT INTO A FUND AND THAT -- HE'S FUNDING $100,000 IN TIF OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, HE'S GOING TO NOW FUND 110,000 IN TIF OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, GOOD, BAD, INDIFFERENT, PEOPLE LOOK AT THOSE TIF THINGS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE COULD GET INTO A WHOLE LOT OF TRANSPARENCY DISCUSSION THAT IS NOT EVEN NECESSARY.
SO I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ON WHAT WE WANT THE CRC HOW WE WANT THE CRC TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS.
THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT THERE. THIS IS A CLARIFICATION.
ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT SOME OF YOU GUYS KNOW, DOUGLAS' TEAM AND SHE SAID BETH.
IS BETH ON KELLY DOUGLAS' TEAM.
>> I WROTE THAT DOWN BUT THOUGHT I SHOULD VERIFY THAT.
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VERY GOOD. >> WELL, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AND I THINK YOU GAVE US REALLY A GOOD STARTING POINT AS WE GO INTO THE FUTURE DEVELOPING A MASTER PLAN WITH OUR CITY STAFF BECAUSE I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ULBRICHT WE HAVE SO MANY TALENTED PEOPLE A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH HISTORY, HENRY BRINGS A LOT OF HISTORY TO THESE PROJECTS, AND SO I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL AND KIND OF DETERMINING WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO IN. REALLY LIKE THE PROCESS THAT BPW STYLE PROCESS BECAUSE HAVING THE DEPARTMENT'S SIGN OFF ON ANY ART EARLY ON IS VERY HELPFULTO US AND I THINK IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE COULD BE NOTIFIED EARLY IN THE PROCESS OKAY, THIS IS COMING UP SO THAT I CAN LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW AND IT'S NOT A SURPRISE AND WE CAN PLAN OUT MEETINGS AND WORK WITH CITY STAFF. ANY THOUGHTS, I THOUGHT WE WOULD SCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING. I KNOW YOU HAVE A MEETING TO GO TO. SCHEDULE ONE MAYBE IN EARLY JUNE AND BRAINSTORM ON THIS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE PROCESS GOING SO THAT HOPEFULLY BY END OF SUMMER WE HAVE FINAL DRAFT TO GIVE OR FINAL VERSION TO GIVE TO THE MAYOR. SO THAT -- THAT IS PLANNED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? TIMING? MINDY.
>> CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT?
FIRST. >> I WAS GOING TO CLARIFY NEXT STEPS. I KNOW I WAS A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR ON SOME OF THE CORRESPONDENCE.
ARE WE MAKING EDITS WITH HEARD TODAY TO THIS DOCUMENT? IS THAT NOW BEING HANDED OFF? I'M UNCLEAR ON WHAT OUR NEXT STEP IS.
>> LEGAL IS WILLING AND ABLE TO MAKE THOSE
CHANGES. >> I THINK BECAUSE IT IS A CITY DOCUMENT NOW, I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH
THAT. >> THAT'S WHY I -- LITERALLY I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF I WAS TOUCHING THIS AGAIN OR WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS WERE FROM US.
>> VERY GOOD. >> DIRECTOR MESTETSKY.
>> YEAH. YOU KNOW, I JUST -- I WAS HOPING FOR THE FLEXIBILITY, SO LIKE WITH THE ART CURATOR PERSON AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE A GREAT IDEA, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE IS ATTEMPTING TO GIFT US SOME ART IT SEEMS LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY TO USE ADDITIONAL ART CURATOR TO PROVIDE ADVICE IS A GREAT IDEA AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ALWAYS MANDATORY.
>> I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
>> IF I MAY, SO THIS COMMISSION CREATED THROUGH EXECUTIVE ORDER IS FORMED OUT OF A CROSS SECTION OF CITIZENS, I'M READING NOW, OF CARAMEL, AND WHO HAVE NECESSARY EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND OR EXPERIENCE IN VISUAL ARTS.
YOU'VE ALL BEEN SELECTED FOR THAT PURPOSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT BACKGROUND AND EXPERTISE.
THE POWER OF THIS COMMISSION IS THE ADVISORY FUNCTION IS TO PROVIDE THAT ADVICE TO THE MAYOR AND MAKE DETERMINATIONS FOR APPROPRIATE ACQUISITIONS AND LOCATION OF PUBLIC ART AND THE MASTER PLAN.
THIS IS THE GOVERNING BODY THAT HAS EEN DESIGNATED BY THE ELECTED EXECUTIVE TO HELP WITH MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.
IT'S IN THE RIGHT SPOT. AS I SEE IT, WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS LOOKING TO DO IS TO CREATE A STREAMLINED PROCESS FOR INITIALLY HOW TO PROCESS GIFTS AND DONATIONS, POTENTIALLY LOANS AS WELL, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE PROCESS OF HOW DOES THAT COME TO YOU, WHO DOES IT GO THROUGH, AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR THAT MATRIX.
THAT ASSESSMENT AS TO HOW DOES THIS GOVERNING BODY THEN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND KEEP IT CONSISTENT SO THAT WHATEVER COMES BEFORE IT, IT CAN LOOK TO ITS GOVERNING LANGUAGE THAT IT PUTS IN PLACE TO SAY, IT'S MET THE STANDARDS HERE, NOT THERE, AND THAT WILL CHANGE OVER TIME, BUT YOU NEED SOMETHING TO GUIDE IT. SO USING THE LANGUAGE THAT IS ALREADY WITHIN HERE, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE ASSIST IS TO STREAMLINE AND TO WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ALREADY HAVE STREAMLINED PROCESSES WHERE WE HAVE WITHIN DPW TO SEE HOW WE CAN BRING THAT TOGETHER.
IT IS I BELIEVE USING A -- FORM PROCESS SO WE'LL HAVE TO
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WORK WITH OUR I.T. STAFF AS WELL IN THAT PROCESS. BUT PUTTING THAT LANGUAGE TOGETHER TO KEEP IT STREAMLINED AND EFFICIENT SO IT CAN BE REFERENCED IN YOUR MASTER PLAN AND IT CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT BIGGER DOCUMENT THAT WILL THEN HAVE HOW MUCH ART DO WE -- DOES THE CITY HAVE, WHERE DOES IT HAVE IT, WHERE SHOULD IT HAVE IT? HOW DO WE MAINTAIN ITTHAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE REQUEST FROM THIS COMMISSION IS TO STREAMLINE THIS INTO THOSE DOCUMENTS.
>> YES. WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. OKAY. YEP.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? MINDY, ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING US TO THIS POINT.
>> YOU ARE VERY WELCOME. IT WAS OUR PLEASURE.
I HOPE THESE ADDEDADDED VALUE.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. WE APPRECIATE IT.
WE HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE US, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.