[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]
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. >> MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS
>> COUNSELOR GREEN? COUNSELOR JOSHI?
>> AY E. >> COUNSELOR WORRELL?
>> AYE. >> COUNSELOR TAYLOR? COUNCILLOR
>> COUNSEL LOCKE? >> COUNSELOR MINNAAR?
>> AYE. GRACIOUS GOD, MUCH OF OUR PERSONAL AND POLITICAL
[3. INVOCATION]
ARENAS OF LIFE ARE SHROUDED IN UNCERTAINTY. GIVE US STRENGTH AND DISCIPLINE TO FACE THEM WITHCOURAGE AND HONOR BUT LET US BE CLEAR THAT THERE IS NO UNCERTAINTY WITH YOUR PRESENCE, NO UNCERTAINTY WITH YOUR MERCY, NO UNCERTAINTY WITH YOUR GIFT OF HOPE. BLESS THIS COUNCIL. BLESS EACH MEMBER. BLESS OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND STAFF, THAT THEIR PUBLIC SERVICE MAY CONTINUE TO FOSTER A COMMUNITY OF QUALITY, A COMMUNITY OF ACCEPTANCE, A COMMUNITY OF VISION. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR ALL WHO SERVE THE PUBLIC GOOD AND FOR ALL WHO WOULD KEEP US SAFE. BE WITH ALL WHO BRING BUSINESS TONIGHT, THAT WE MAY LEAVE AS GRATEFUL[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
CITIZENS, AMEN. >> IF WE COULD HAVE OUR DEPUTY MAYOR FOR THE DAY AND CHERRY TRAIL ELEMENTARY, LEAD US IN THE
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU.
[5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS (Part 1 of 2)]
>> RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS TONIGHT. WE HAVE THE 2025 MISS CARDINALS TEEN AND MISS INDIANA TEENS CONTESTANT, A GREYHOUND FROM MY HIGH SCHOOL HERE TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HER SERVICE, SADIE SMILES FOR SENIORS. HELLO, EVERYONE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. COUNSELORS AND MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY SERVICE INITIATIVE AND MY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE MISS INDIANA ORGANIZATION. I'M AN OFFICIAL PRELIMINARY TO THE MISS INDIANA AND MISS TEENS SCHOLARSHIP ORGANIZATIONS. NEXT MONTH I WILL COMPETE TO BE THE NEXT MISS INDIANA TEEN AND I COULD NOT BE MORE PROUD TO SHINE A LIGHT ON THE HOME TOWN OF CARMEL FOR WHICH I'M GRATEFUL FOR SUPPORT. I'M A PROUD CARMEL GREYHOUND, FINISHING UP MY SOPHOMORE YEAR WHERE I FINISHED THE SHOW CHOIR, THE CARDINAL AMBASSADORS. MISS AMERICA HAS BEEN EMPOWERING YOUNG WOMEN SINCE 1921 AND REMAINS THE LARGEST PROVIDER OF SCHOLARSHIPS FOR YOUNG WOMEN IN THE UNITED STATES. TITLE HOLDERS MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES THROUGH CHARITIABLE WORK AND COMMUNITY SERVICE. WE INSPIRE CHANGE IN THE WORLD THROUGH THE FIVE POINTS OF THE MISS AMERICA CROWN, SCHOLARSHIP, SERVICE, STYLE, SUCCESS, AND SISTERHOOD. FOUNDED SADIE'S SMILES YEARS AGO TO SUPPORT AND ADVOCATE FOR OLDER ADULTS AND UNDERSERVED POPULATION IN MOST COMMUNITIES. MY VOLUNTEERISM FOCUSES ON THE HEALING AND UPLIFTING POWER OF MUSIC AND PERFORMANCE BY SINGING REGULARLY AT SENIOR FACILITIES. AS A NOW TWO TIME FINALIST, I HAVE USED MUSIC AS A THERAPEUTIC TOOL
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THROUGH THE PERFECT HARMONY PROGRAM. I VISIT K-12 CLASSROOMS AND TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF SPENDING TIME WITH SENIORS. I PROMOTE VOLUNTEERISM AMONG MY PEERS AND RECRUIT PEERS FOR THE PROGRAMS THAT INVOLVE SENIORS. I INVIDE YOU TO FOLLOW ME ON STRAG. SADIE'S SMILES FOR SENIORS IS A MISSION FUELLED BY PURPOSE, EMPATHY AND ACTION. I LOOK FORWARD TO EXPANDING MY INITIATIVE THROUGH CIVIC ENGAGEMENT, OUT REACH AND DIGITAL ATVICACY BY REACHING WITH MAYOR FINKMAN TO SERVECARMEL AND BEYOND. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH.
[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]
>> COMMENTS, MAYOR FINKMAN? >> BLUE CARDS, I APOLOGIZE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU WILL SEE THE YELLOW LIGHT WHEN YOUR TIME IS ABOUT UP, RED LIGHT IS WHEN YOU WILL GET CUT OFF. MR. CARTER? ON DECK WILL BE MISS WEST.
>> THANK YOU. FIRST, I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE NEW AFFILIATE REVIEW ORDINANCE. IT IS A BAD ORDINANCE DESIGNED TO CURE THE FLAWS OF THE ORIGINAL MEASURE YOU PASSED, THE ONE THAT HAS GOTTEN YOU AND ALL OF CARMEL IN SO MUCH TROUBLE. THAT ORDINANCE WAS CONCEIVED TO CURE A PROBLEM THAT BARELY EXISTED. BEFORE YOU PASS A NEW ORDINANCE, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU COMPILE A LIST OF ALL OF THE ENTITIES THAT THIS ONE WILL COVER PRIOR TO YOUR UPCOMING COMMITTEE MEETING. ONCE THE LIST IS PUBLISHED, I THINK THE COMMUNITY WILL BE SURPRISED AT HOW LARGE OF A NET YOU ARE PROPOSING TOCAST. AT THE LAST MEETING, I URGED YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS REGARDING CITY BUSINESS TO ENHANCE TRANSPARENCY. I DIRECT THE ATTENTION OF THE MAYOR TO SIMILAR QUESTIONS. THE RESULTS FROM THE BALLY HOOSTUY OF CARMEL SHOWED THE RESIDENTS WERE SATISFIED. THEY FELT THE CITY WAS ON THE RIGHT PATH. HOWEVER RECENT ACTIONS APPEAR TO UNDERMINE CARMEL'S STATUS AS THE NUMBER ONE COMMUNE T IN THE UNITED STATES, A STATUS THAT IS CHERISHED BY OUR CITIZENS. YOU ARE MAKING UNNEEDED AND UNWANTED SWEEPING CHANGES. BUT WHY? UNDER YOUR ADMINISTRATION, RESIDENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO FORGET ALL OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT CAME BEFORE YOUR TERM BEGAN, EVEN CITY EMPLOYEES NOW FEEL THEY MUST AVOID MENTIONING FORMER MAYORS AND PARTICULARLY JIM BRAINER. IN THE EFFORTS OF YOUR ADMINISTRATION TO ERASE THE PAST, YOU HAVE MADE MASSIVE CHANGES TO CITY HALL, PERSONNEL AND PHYSICALLY. THIS WAS A SPACE ONCE CELEBRATED FOR ITS UNIQUE BEAUTY, A WONDERFUL BUILDING MODELED AFTER WILLIAMSBURG'S GOVERNOR MANSION THROUGH THE WORK OF TED JOHNSON AND PREDECESSOR. PORTRAITS HONORING ALL OF OUR PAST MAYORS VANISHED A YEAR AGO FROM THE THIRD FLOOR LOBBY. WHY? WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THE PORTRAITS? YOU HAVE HAD CUSTOM WOOD WORK AND WALL PAPER REMOVED REPEATEDLY BECAUSE OF MOLD CONCERNS. WAS THAT REALLY TRUE? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ORIGINAL FURNITURE? WAS IT SOLD, SOLD, DISCARDED? ONE OF THE END TABLES OF THE MAYOR'S SUITE HAS BEEN LOCATED, NOW SITTING IN THE MEN'S RESTROOM ON THE THIRD FLOOR. SIMILARLY, CUSTOM WOOD WORK IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH FLAT SCREEN TVS, FOR AN EMERGENCY COMMAND CENTER BUT SUCH A FACILITY EXISTS OFF SITE, UP GRADED IN 24, 23, AT A COST EXCEEDING A MILLION DOLLARS. DO WE NEED ANOTHER ONE ESPECIALLY WHEN THE BUILDING HAS NO BACKUP GENATOR? THIS ROOM EVEN REFLECTS YOUR PROCH? THE WALLPAPER IS REMOVED. THESE CHAMBERS ARE NOW STERILE AND LACK A FORM OF VITALITY THAT SET THE TONE FOR THE CITY AND THE WORK OF THE COUNCIL. THE CITY'S LOGO IS RESTED HERE FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. FOLKS, THIS ROOM HAS BEEN DECIMATED AS
HAS CITY HALL, THANK YOU MUCH. >> MR. KELVIN?I'M SORRY, YOU'RE
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ON DECK. MS. WEST IS UP. I APOLOGIZE.>> HELLO, MY NAME IS BARBARA WEST. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TO BRING UP A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT ONE OF THE PROPOSALS FOR THE AUTUMN GREENWAY, THE PROPOSAL THAT WOULD TAKE THE GREENWAY THROUGH EASTBURG FROM 126TH STREET SO FOLKS WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO DOWN TO CITY CENTER. I WOULD LIKE TO START BY SAYING I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN UNNECESSARY EXPENSE. WE ALREADY HAVE A LOVELY PATH THAT TAKES #Z YOU FROM OLD MERIDIAN THAT CAN BE ACCESSED NORTH ON GILLFERRED THROUGH MEADOW LARK PARK. THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL SIGN, IT'S PAVED, IT'S WIDE. IN ADDITION, NOT ONLY CAN YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN WITHOUT HAVING TO USE A TRAFFIC CIRCLE TO GET TO THE CITY MARKET, YOU CAN USE THIS PATH TO GO BEYOND TO THE HAGUEN BURKE TAKING YOU FURTHER EAST.
ADDITIONALLY RGS THIS AREA IS ONE OF THE FEW POCKETS THAT WE HAVE LEFT THAT HAS OLD GROWTH TREES. I LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR FIVE YEARS. I HAVE SEEN DEER, FOX, TURKEY, VULTURES, OWLS, ASSORTED WILDLIFE. IT WOULD BE A SAD THING TO DECIMATE THAT AREA WITH ANOTHER WALKING PATH. BUT ALSO THE EXPENSE CHALLENGING.
PART OF THAT AREA HAS A WETLAND IN IT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A FEASIBILITY STUDY DONE. THERE IS A GIANT ELECTRIC BOX, FOUR BY FOUR BY FOUR THAT SITS SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO. INCLUDED IN THE 40 FOOT EASEMENT IS A UTILITY EASEMENT THAT HAS A NATURAL GAS PIPE LINE. SO JUST TO LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT OPTION WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THE CITY. CURRENTLY THERE IS A WALKWAY, JUST SOUTH OF THE EASTERN OR WESTERN PART OF 126 STREET, ACROSS GILL FORD. FROM THAT POINT, YOU HAVE CLEAR VISIBILITY NORTH AND SOUTH AND GILLFORD IS NARROW THERE. IT IS A SAFE PATH.
PEOPLE USE IT ALL THE TIME AND HAVE USED IT FOR YEARS. I TRAVEL THAT PATH. I WALK DOWN THE CITY CENTER, PROBABLY TWICE A WEEK.
IT'S SAFE, THE TRAFFIC DOESN'T BOTHER YOU ON CITY CENTER. SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT ARE OFFERED IN AN ARTICLE I FIND ARE FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE REALLY NOT TRUE. THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY
POINT OF VIEW. >> THANK YOU. MR. KELVIN?
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCILLORS, AND STAFF. MY NAME IS DR. FREDDIE KELVIN, I AM A CITIZEN OF CARMEL, A RETIRED RADIOLOGIST, AN ARTIST AT ART ON MAIN GALLERY AND AN AUTHOR, HAVING PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED MY MEMOIR, URBAN NOMAD. WHAT I HAVE JUST SHARED WITH YOU IS A CONCISE SUMMARY OF TEN OF THE WORLD'S FAITHS, WRITTEN IN COLLABORATION WITH MEMBERS OF THE CENTER FOR INTERFAITH COOPERATION. WITHOUT WHOM, THESE ESAS WOULD NOT HAVE THE ACCURACY AND AUTHENTICITY THAT I HOPE THEY NOW POSSESS. CARMEL IS A DYNAMIC, PROGRESSIVE, AND INCREASINGLY DIVERSE COMMUNITY. I FEEL THAT ITS CITIZENS WILL WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THE BELIEF SYSTEMS OF OTHERS WHICH I THINK IS NOW NEEDED MORE THAN EVER BEFORE. THE BOOK IS AVAILABLE FROM BOOK BABY BOOK SHOP WHICH YOU MAY NOT HAVE HEARD, FOR $8 A COPY. I CAN ARRANGE A DISCOUNT OF 25% IF I KNOW HOW MANY COPIES AN
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ORGANIZATION WISHES TO ORDER. I ALSO HOPE TO MAKE THE BOOK AVAILABLE AT CARMEL CLAY PUBLIC LIBRARY IN CONJUNCTION WITH A PHOTOGRAPHIC EXHIBIT OF MINE WHICH DEPICTS MANY OF THE WORLD'S FAITHS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>> THANK YOU, MR. KELVIN, AND THANK YOU FOR THE BOOKS.
>> MY NAME IS LENO. I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE POLICE STATION.
THERE IS KINDER CARE AND THERE'S MY HOUSE. TODAY THEY PUT UP A SIGN, PAINTED ON THE SIDEWALK, IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, FIRST IT IS KINDER CARE AND THEN IT IS MY HOUSE AND THEN THE SIGN. IT SAYS DESIGNATED OUT DOOR REFRESHMENT AREA. IT SAYS ALCOHOL IS ALLOWED ON MY PROPERTY AND KINDER CARE BUT IT IS NOT ALLOWED ON MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR OR THE REST OF NAPPANEE DRIVE. I'M SURE IT WAS PLACED THERE INCORRECTLY BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT THAT SIGN ON MY SIDEWALK THAT SAYS THEY CAN PARTY AT MY HOUSE BUT NOT THE REST OF THE ROAD. IT'S A BIG SIGN, ALL PAINTED, ALL BIG PAINTED ON THE SIDEWALK AT THE END OF MY PROPERTY. SO MY HOME IS NOT A DESIGNATED OUT DOOR REFRESHMENT AREA THAT ALLOWS ALCOHOL. I DON'T BELIEVE KINDER CARE WOULD LIKE THAT EITHER. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME AND I HOPE YOU GET THE SIGN REMOVED.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD, NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO YOUR HOUSE IS NOT IN ANY SORT OF DESIGNATED AREA WHATSOEVER. GO AHEAD , COUNCILLOR?
>> I DON'T HAVE -- I KNOW WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO BACK AND FORTH BUT WE DO HAVE A PROCESS THROUGH AN ESTABLISHED COMMITTEE FOR CITIZEN COMPLAINTS. SO I WILL GET THIS GOING AND WE WILL JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE SIGNAGE IS WHAT WE AGREED TO. NOT SAYING IT IS OR IS NOT A MISTAKE BUT THAT I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT
RIGHT AWAY. >> YOU HAVE SCHEDULED MEETINGS?
>> WE DO NOT HAVE ONE SCHEDULED NOW BUT WE WILL HAVE ONE IN THE
>> MR. MCLAUGHLIN ? >> WITH ARE .
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL, MY NAME IS SCOTT MCLAUGHLIN, RESIDENT OF CARMEL, OFF OF GILLFORD. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COME ON BOARD, ON THE RECORD TO SAY THAT I AM OPPOSED TO THE AUTUMN GREENWAY THAT WILL RUN THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TWO OTHERS. IT IS REALLY UNNECESSARY. IT ONLY REDUCES THE PATH BETWEEN THIRD AVENUE AND GILLFORD STREET BY THREE MILES. I WAS CURIOUS IF THERE WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY DONE IMPACTING THE WOODED AREA.
WE DO NOT HAVE MANY WOODED AREAS LEF IN CARMEL AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ONE PRESERVED. PROPERTY VALUS DO NOT GO DOWN IN AN AREA ABUTTING -- ANYWAY, FINALLY COST IS AN ISSUE WITH SB1 LOOMING. WE ARE LOOKING AT CARMEL REDUCING FUNDS FROM THE STATE. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT TO CAN.
>> I DID BUT I WILL POSTPONE THAT IF THAT IS ALL RIGHT, THANK
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING, I GUESS IT IS BY NOW. MY NAME IS MARK STEVENS, I'M THE THIRD RESIDENT FROM THE COTTAGE HERE TONIGHT. LIKE THE OTHERS, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST GO ON THE RECORD AND LET EVERYONE KNOW, I KNOW A FEW PEOPLE IN THE COUNCIL
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ARE ALREADY AWARE THAT WE ARE OPPOSED TO THE AUTUMN GREENWAY.SCOTT ALREADY MENTIONED THE REASONS WHY FROM A STANDPOINT OF DOESN'T REALLY SAVE MUCH IN TERMS OF A PATH BUT I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS IT REALLY SEEMS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. I DID A QUICK WALK THROUGH THE AREA BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE, EASY TO DO ON MY WAY OVER. IT IS ABOUT 190 FEET WIDE OF WOODED AREA AT ITS WIDEST POINT. SO CUTTING A PAVED PATH THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THIS GREENWAY TOMAKE IT NICE, TO CALL IT A GREENWAY WHICH IS IRONICIC BECAUSE IT WILL LOSE A THIRD OF THE TREES BECAUSE IT IS SO SMALL IS NOT SOMETHING WE THINK IS NECESSARY ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES WHEN I IMAGINE SOMEONE COMES TO YOU AND ASKS FOR MONEY, THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T HAVE MONEY BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET CUTTING BACK AND WE HAVE TO SHARPEN YOUR PENCILS. WE WILL GIVE YOU MONEY YOU HAVE EARMARKED ON THE GREENWAY TO SPEND ON POLICE DEPARTMENTS OR OTHER SAFETY ENVIRONMENTS, FIXING THE ROADS IN THE AREA, THAT WOULD BE A PLEASANT THING. JUST WANTED TO VOICE OUR OPINION ON THAT AND SEE IF YOU WOULD RECONSIDER THE GREENWAY BEHIND
OUR HOMES, THANK YOU. >> MR. CRENSHAW?
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBERS AND MAYOR FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEEG.
I'M ONE OF THE PROPERTIES WHERE YOU WANT TO TAKE THE AUTUMN GREENWAY PATH THROUGH MY BACK YARD. I'M AGAINST THIS. I'M EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED ON HOW THIS HAS COME ABOUT AND THELIC OF XHOUNICATION. BEFORE MORE MONEY IS SPENT AND I KNOW THIS IS COMING OUT OF D.O.T. GRANT MONEY BUT BEFORE THAT IS SPENT, I WISH THERE WAS A MEETING TO DISCUSS THIS. WE ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND SHOULD HAVE VERY MUCH SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON. JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA DOES NOT MEAN IT IS A GOOD IDEA NOR DOES IT MEAN THAT YOU WOULD DO IT. I HOPE AND PRAY THAT YOU GET THE TIME TO PLAN FOR THIS, WOE SHOULD GET THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO PRESENT WHY WHY THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA AND WHY IT IS NOT NECESSARY. THERE IS NO WAY TO COVER THEISH AOOZE IN THIS TIME. I HAVE HEARD PREVIOUS MEETINGS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND HAVE YET TO SEE
THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS,
[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]
ANY COUNCILLORS HAVE COMMENTS? >>
>> WELL, I DO AND WE WILL TALKABOUT THE TRAIL FOR A SECOND. BECAUSE IT IS MORE ABOUT PROCESS. THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE PEOPLE SAW SURVEY STAKES IN THEIR YARDS. WELL, THAT IS A FEASIBILITY STUDY E. THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF ONE. HOW IS ANY PROJECT SUPPOSED TO BE VETTED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WITHOUT DATA? NOW EVERY SINGLE PERSON, EXCEPT THE YOUNG LADY I HAVE SPOKEN TO, WALKED THE TRAIL WITH, SPENT TIME AT YOUR HOUSE AND THAT PART WAS LEFT OUT. WE ARE COMMUNICATING WITH YOU. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT COSTS. TO RUN THAT TRAIL, ANY OTHER DIRECTION IS TWO TO THREE TIMES MORE. YOU TALK ABOUT THE PATH ALONG CITY CENTER DRIVE. THAT IS NOT A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY TRAIL. THERE IS NO SAFETY BARRIER BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE ROAD. THAT CANNOT BE DESIGNATED A PEDESTRIAN PATH. YOU TALK ABOUT TREES AND WETLANDS, THOSE TREES ARE DYING AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW.
URBAN FORESTER HAS BEEN OUT THERE. BECAUSE IT IS A WETLAND, NOT A NATURAL WETLAND BUT A MAN MADE WETLAND THAT THAT HAS NO POSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. IN FACT, IT HAS A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT. MR. CRENSHAW, I TOLD YOU, WE EWOULD BE CALLING YOU AS SOON AS THE SURVEY WAS IN AND WE WOULD SIT DOWN AND HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WILL DO THAT. SAYING THERE IS NO TRANSPARENCY. WE CAN'T HAVE A MEETING UNTIL WE HAVE DATA. IT IS 100% NORMAL AND THAT WILL BE THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT WITHOUT
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BEING AT THE PODIUM. THAT HAPPENS ALL OVER CARMEL. THE GREATER ISSUE IS THAT EVERY PROJECT HAS TO BE VETTED SOME WAY WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS A CITIZEN LED PROJECT. IT WAS NOT CREATED BY ANYONE UP HERE. IT WAS NOT CREITATED BY THE MAYOR. IT WAS CREATED BY A GROUP OF CITIZENS WHO DID A BUNCH OF RESEARCH AND PRESENTED A PROJECT. WE TOOK THE PROJECT, WE TOOK BOND MONEY THAT WE HAD TO DO BECAUSE OF THE FORMAT THE STATE HAS SET UP FOR US AND WE DEEMED THAT AS ONE WE WOULD CONSIDER BUILDING. IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS A GUARANTEE, ALTHOUGH THE MONEY IS THERE FOR THIS TRAIL. THERE ARE 109,000 PEOPLE, MANY OF WHICH WANT A SAFE WAY TO GET EAST AND WEST. COMMERCE WANTS A SAFE WAY TO GO EAST AND WEST. MR. CRENSHAW YOU BROUGHT UP ALTERNATIVE ROUTES AND IDEAS, I PROMISE YOU, THEY ARE BEING LOOKED AT. I THOUGHT ONE WAS A VERY GOOD IDEA. WHAT I DON'T LIKE AND I DIDN'T LIKE AT THE LAST MEETING IS WE ARE CARMEL CITIZENS, EVERY ONE OF US. THE WAY WE BEHAVE SHOULD REFLECT THAT. AND NONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM IS WHO I'M REFERENCING BUT THE SHOUTING, THE MADE UP DATA, THE EEMOTIONAL TURMOIL THAT COMES WHEN ALL WE ARE DOING IS RESEARCHING A PROJECT IS NOT NECESSARY. ANY ONE OF US WILL TAKE YOUR PHONE CALL. ANY ONE OF US WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU. MICHAEL, THE PARKS DIRECTOR, THE MAYOR, ANYONE ON THIS DIS WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION AND PRESENT DATA AND OPINIONS. AND THAT'S FOR ANY PROJECT THAT HAPPENS IN CARMEL. SO TO GET THIS DEEP IN A WEEDS ON A PROEK PROJECT WE ARE JUST STARTING TO VET, I GET THAT IT IS IN YOUR YARD BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PROJECT. WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION TO CREATE A PROJECT YET. THAT'S ALL WE ARE DOING. SURVEYORS GO INTO PEOPLE'S YARDS, INTO RIGHT OF WAY ADJACENT TO PEOPLE'S YARDS ALL THE TIME. THIS ONE, THE BALL WAS DROPPED. I CONFIRMED THAT WITH THE CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER. THE LETTERS DID NOT GET MAILED OUT. FOR THAT, I APOLOGIZE, AND WE WILL DO BETTER AS WE SHOULD DO BETTER. I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING TO YOU ABOUT T THE PROJECT AS IT CONTINUES TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION AND MOVE FORWARD. BUT CURRENTLY, THERE ISN'T A PROJECT UNTIL WE HAVE DATA TO DECIDE. BUT I DO IMPLORE YOU TO CONTINUE TO SEND US YOUR REQUESTS, CONCERNS, AND DESIRES AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADDRESSTHEM. MAYOR? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KATE CRUMLY AND I WILL BE DELIVERING TONIGHT'S MAYOR'S COUNSEL.
EARLIER THE MAYOR MET WITH -- HIGHLIGHTING GETTING YOUTH INVOLVED IN GOVERNMENT. WE RECEIVED A PACKET O OF LETTERS FROM MS. ROUTH T'S SECOND GRADE STUDENTS. THE LETTERS INCLUDED SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO MAKE CARMEL A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO MAKE CARMEL GREAT. WE HOPE THE YOUTH T WILL BE TOMORROW'S LEADERS AND CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN THE CITY. THE MAYOR PARTICIPATED IN THE HOLLAND BLOCK PARTY AND DEDICATED THE ART PIECE, SKULLTURE OF THE RED TAIL HAWK.
SHE WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND A SPECIAL THANKS TO COUNSELOR TONY GREENE FOR MAKING THIS PROJECT T A REALITY. LAST TO YOU, THE MAYOR VISITED THE START UP FOUNDATION EVENT WHERE STUDENTS SHOCASED THEIR BIOMEDICAL SCIENCE PROJECTS AND VERY IMPRESSED BY THE CREATIVITY. AS CARMEL'S NEED FOR PROFESSIONALS GROWS, SHOW IS COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THE
EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR, I WANT T TO ADD A COMMENT ON THE LAST ITEM. NEXT YEAR IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE BIOMEDICAL INNOVATIONS SHOW CASE, IT WAS PHENOMENAL. THE STUDENTS PRESENTED INNOVATIVE IDEAS AND I WOULD.
[5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS (Part 2 of 2)]
[8. CONSENT AGENDA]
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>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>> ANY DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL VOTE?
>> COUNCILLOR GREEN? >> COUNCIL JOSHI.
>> AYE. >> COUNSELOR AYERS AYE.
>> COUNCILLOR MINNAAR? >> AYE.
>> THANK YOU. >> CLAIMS, PAY ROLL IN THE AMOUNT OF 235229.GENERAL CLAIMS 2, 694, 317.42 AND WIRE
TRANSFERS OF 12, 623, 260.56. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE CLAIMS
>> COUNCILLOR WORRELL? >> AYE.
[10.a. Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee]
>> COUNCILLOR MINNAAR? >> AYE.
>> THANK YOU. >> ON VETOES, THERE ARE NONE.
COMMITTEE REPORTS, FINANCE, UTILIES AND RULES.
>> WE MET ON TUESDAY, MAY 13, REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED THE AMBULANCE CAPITAL FUND ORDINANCE, ORDINANCE RELATED TO RESIDENTIAL RENTAL CAP, WE ALSO REVIEWED AND PASSED UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVAL FOR COUNCIL, ORDINANCE 2D271-25, NORTH END FACE TWO ORDINANCE. WE ALSO DISCUSSED A FEW ITEMS WUT THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT MOVED TO COMMITTEE. WE WILL MEET AGAIN IN THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 28 AT 6:00 P.M.
[10.b. Land Use and Special Studies Committee]
>> THANK YOU. LAND USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES, DR. JOSHI?
>> YES, WE MET ON WEDNESDAY 14. AND SPENT THE MAJORITY OF THE MEETING DISCUSSING ORDINANCE D2769 WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION REGARDING PERMITTING AND HAVING A VALID PERMIT WHEN YOU HAVE TO PARK IN A MULTIUSE PARKWAY AND ALSO THE ILLEGALITY OF PARKING IN A MULTIUSE PATHWAY. WE ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE AN APPROPRIATE FEE STRUCTURE AND ALSO AN APPROPRIATE FINE STRUCTURE IN PLACE. THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE ONGOING. WE WILL CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AT OUR NEXT MEETING WHICH IS ON WEDNESDAY 21 AT 5:30, CARMEL
[11.h. Parks Department (Quarterly – February, May, August, November)]
PUBLIC LIBRARY. >> THANK YOU, DOCTOR. UP NEXT ARE COMMITTEE REPORTS. WE HAVE PARKS DEPARTMENT, MR. CLISSING IF YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHEN WE EWOULD GET THE SURVEY FOR THE AUTUMN GREENWAY TRAIL THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
>> GOOD EVENING, MICHAEL CLITSING, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE NOT HAD A LOT OF DESK TIME THAT SUGGESTS THE SURVEY HAS BEEN COMPLETED BUT I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT. IF WE DIDN'T RECEIVE IT TODAY, WE SHOULD RECEIVE IT THIS WEEK. TO BEGIN MY REPORT, I
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USUALLY NOT YIELD TIME BUT WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WE PREMIERED THIS YEAR CALLED THE PARK RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM. IT'S A PROGRAM THAT ACTUALLY WE HAVE BEEN EXPLORING IMPLEMENTING IN THE CITY OF CARMEL PARKS AND RECREATION, DATING BACK TO CHIEF BARLOW'S FIRST TENURE AS CHIEF. IT IS A PROGRAM THAT WE ARE VERY THANKFUL THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET AND ARE HOPEFUL WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT IN YEARS TO COME. BUT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS CREATE A PROGRAM THAT HELPS EMBED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITHIN CARAMEL CLAY PARKS AND RECREATION SIMILAR TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THAT SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM HAS DONE. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS INVITE CHIEF STERLING TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE THE OFFICERS INVOLVED AND MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL OFFICERS REGARDING THATTREMENDOUS PROGRAM. >> THANK YOU. DRAKE STERLING CHIEF OF POLICE. I WANT TO ECHO THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THOSE ON THE PARKS BOARD AND THE MAYOR AS WELL. WITH US ARE TWO PARKS RESOURCE OFFICERS. THEY BEGAN THEIR DUTIES IN THE PARKS ON MARCH 3 OFFICIALLY. SO WITH US TODAY IS CALEB LAW CALEB WAS PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS AN I.M.P.D. OFFICER FOR FOUR YEARS.
HE'S A CAPTAIN IN THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD AND AN E.R.G.
MEMBER. NEXT TO HIM IS CLIFTON HOGIA, HE AND CALEB BOTH JOINED US IN 2023. CLIFTON IS A DRONE PILOT, E.R.G. MEMBER, ALSO A MEMBER OF THE RADIOLOGICAL DETECTION FORCE OF METRO AND HE WILL BE PULLING DUTY T AT THE RACE TRACK OR HAS BEEN THIS MONTH. THOSE ARE OUR TWO PARK RESOURCE OFFICERS. I KNOW THEY ENJOY THE ASSIGNMENT AND ARE GETTING THEIR FEET WET HELPING MICHAEL AND THE TEAM DEVELOP POLICIES AND PROGRAMS. WE ARE EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THE PROGRAM WILL BRING. DEFINITELY WANT TO THANK THEM FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND BEING ABLE TO INTRODUCE THAT PROGRAM. WE HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM THE PROGRAM FROM MY STAFF THAT REALLY APPRECIATES THEM WORKING CLOSELY WITH US LIKE THE CHIEF SAID TO HELP US WITH ENHANCING OUR POLICIES AND JUST PROVIDING A MORE WELCOMING, SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL OF OUR VISITORS, COMMUNITY CENTER TO THE WATER PARK COMING SHORTLY AS WELL AS THROUGHOUT THE PARK SYSTEM. YOU MIGHT FIND THEM ON THE MONA GREENWAY. THERE IS A 15 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT. ALSO THE CITY COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YOUR PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS RECKLESS USE OF THE MONAN GREENWAY. IF YOU ARE LEAVING IN AND OUT AND ANY POLICE OFFICER SEES YOU, THEY HAVE CREDIBLE BICYCLES THAT HAVE BELLS AND SIRENS AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU A WARNING OR MORE.
OBVIOUSLY, OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE SAFE ENVIRONMENTS AND NOT HAVE TO PULL PEOPLE OVER BUT THEY DO HAVE THAT AUTHORITY AND WE ARE SUPER GLAD TO HAVE THEM WITH CARMEL PARKS AND RECREATIONS AND APPRECIATE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE WATER PARK SEASON IS ALMOST HERE. THIS SAY, MAY 24, THE WATER PARK OPENS. WE WILL BE OPEN THROUGH AUGUST 3, 1100 A.M. TO 7:00 P.M. AS I MENTIONED IN MY FIRST QUARTER REPORT, WE HAVE BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH HOW WELL WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RECRUIT LIFEGUARDS THIS SEASON. THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS WE HAVE HAD TO CLOSE ONCE CARMEL SCHOOLS GO BACK INTO SESSION, SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T ENJOY AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T ENJOY. THANKS TO ARE RECRUITMENT THIS YEAR, WE FEEL WE WILL PROVIDE A SAFE EXPERIENCE ALL THE T WAY TO LABOR DAY. SIMILAR TO THE PAST, IT WILL BE CLOSED WEEK DAYS BECAUSE MOST OF OUR PATRONS ARE ATTENDING CLASSES ONCE SCHOOLS BEGIN BUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO OFFER THE WEEKEND HOURS AND ALSO LABOR DAY HOURS, 12:00 TO 6:00 P.M. SO PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT. WE REDUCE THE HOURS BECAUSE ONCE THE KIDS GO BACK TO SCHOOL, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE MINORS, THEIR AVAILABILITY UNDER
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YOUTH LABOR LAWS IS LESS. THIS MAKES IT MORE MANAGEABLE AND WE ARE ABLE TO EXTEND THE SEASON FURGER. LOOK FORWARD TO AN INCREDIBLE SUMMER. ALSO WITH SCHOOLS SOON TO COME OUT, OUR SUMMER CAMP SERIES WILL BE KICKING OFF AT VERY POPULAR. SO A LOT OF THE CAMPS ARE ALREADY SOLD OUT BUT THERE ARE A FEW LIMITED SPOTS, ESPECIALLY THE WEEK OF FOURTH OF JULY AND A COUPLE OF OTHER CAMPS. THERE IS LIMITED AVAILABILITY. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR CAMPS FOR YOUR KIDS, GO TO CARMEL PARKS.COM AND YOU CAN GET MORE INFORMATION AND REGISTER THERE. I'M ALSO PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE CARMEL PLAY PARKS FOUNDATION IS HAVING A SUMMER FUN RUN. THIS IS NOT AN ORGANIZED EVENT IN THAT YOU HAVE TO COME ON ACERN TIME AND RUN DURE CERTAIN TIMES. THIS IS ONE WHERE YOU REGISTER, GET A FREE T-SHIRT, EACH WEEK WE WILL SPOTLIGHT A GREENWAY. ANY TIME DURING THE WEEK, YOU CAN GO OUT, WALK IT, RUN IT, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO. ENJOY THE PARKS, CHECK OUT THE TRAILS, AND HELP US INCREASE AWARENESS OF THE CARMEL CLAY PARKS FOUNDATION. TONIGHT THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF MEETING AND WORKING ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN TO BECOME A MORE VIABLE RESOURCE FOR THE PARK SYSTEM AS WELL AS FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE THANK THE FOUNDATION FOR THE TREMENDOUS SUPPORT. I WANTED TO GIVE SOME UPDATES ON OUR PROJECTS.LAWRENCE MW PARK WILL BE CLOSING TEMPORARILY. THERE WAS PANIC THAT IT WOULD BE A LONGTERM CLOSURE BUT THIS IS A SHORT-TERM CLOSURE AND IT WILL BE OPEN IN TIME FOR MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.
JUST WANTED TO SPOTLIGHT SOME OF THE THINGS GOING ON IN THE PARK.
THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT PLAYGROUNDS LOCATED IN HERE. ALL OF OUR PLAYGROUNDS IN THE PARK HAVE A RUBBER SAFETY SURFACING THROUGHOUT THEM. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THIS HAS HAD TO HAPPEN. SO SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE FRUSTRATED. I GUARANTEE YOU WE ARE FRUSTRATED AS WELL.
BASICALLY, THERE ARE TWO LAYERS TO THE SAFETY ZONE. THERE IS THE UNDERLAY, THE BLACK FIBROUS RUBBER. THEN THERE IS BASICALLY A LAMINANT WHICH ARE THE PRETTY COLORS ON TOP THAT GIVE IT ATTRACTIVENESS. BASICALLY, THERE IS A CHALLENGE WITH THE ADHESIVE THAT KEEPS THAT LAMINANT ON THE TOP ADHERING TO THE SAFETY SURFACING. DURING THE SUMMER, IT CREATES ZERO ISSUES. IT IS NOT IMPACTING THE SAFETY BUT DURING THE WINTER MONTHS, SOME OF THE PLACES WHERE THE ADHESION IS NOT HOLDING, IT ONLY HAPPENS DURING THE WINTER MONTHS. ONCE IT IS WARMER OUT, THE TEMPERATURES MELT IT DOWN TO A FLAT SURFACE. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE BUBBLES, IT DOES CREATE TRIP HAZARDS. WE DON'T WANT THAT SITUATION.
THERE IS A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AGAINST THE ADHESION COMPANY, RECOGNIZED NATIONAL ISSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR ADHESION. THEY ARE COMING IN TO FIX IT UNDER WARRANTY AT NO COST TO TAXPAYERS BUT SOMETHING SINCE THEY WERE AVAILABLE TO GET IN AND GET IT REPAIRED. THE OTHER THING WE ARE WORKING ON WHICH IS LARGELY AN A WARRANTY ISSUE IS THERE ARE CHALLENGES WITH WATER SITTING ON THE PARKING LOT AREA WITHIN THE PARK. WE WILL BE WEATHER PERMITTING DOING A FILL, CHANGING THE SLOPE, A COUPLE OF MINOR ALTERCATIONS TO MAKE THE WATER GO WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO. IT IS ALL HAPPENING THIS WEEK AND SHOULD BE RESOLVED AND IT WILL BE OPEN ON MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. AS WILL ALL OF THE SPLASH PADS THROUGHOUT THE PARKS. WE NOW HAVE FOUR SPLASH PADS, ON THE GREENWAY, MIDTOWN SECTION, THE COMMONS, AND WEST MARKET EAGLE COMMONS. THOSE WILL OPEN UP THIS WEEKEND AND WILL BE OPEN AT LEAST UNTIL LABOR DAY. ENLOW WILL BE OPEN. THERE WAS CONSTRUCTION WITH THE PLAZA WITH THE MONAN GREENWAY, THAT IS COMPLETED. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WILL BE WARM THIS WEEKEND BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET OUT AND SPLASH, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO. JUMPING TO THE WHITE RIVER GREENWAY THE NORTH EXTENSION, WE ARE CONTINUING TO MAKE PROGRESS, NOT AS FAST AS WE WOULD LIKE BECAUSE WE ARE COMING OUT OF THE SEASON BUT YOU ARE GOING TO START TO SEE MOBILIZATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF THAT TRAIL
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HAPPENING VERY SOON. WE ANTICIPATE THIS OPENING THIS FALL. NOW SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED MORE RECENTLY, THERE IS A BUNCH OF POST IT IN THE AREA I HAVE CIRCLED. IT DOESN'T LOOK EXCITING TODAY BUT THAT IS WHERE THE OVER LOOK WILL BE LOCATED.YOU WILL SEE A LOT MORE CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING HERE IN THE COMING DAYS AND COMING WEEKS. WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THIS TRAIL OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC TO ENJOY BY FALL OF THIS YEAR. ALSO ALONG THE RIVER, FIRTH FURTHER SOUTH, PROGRESS CONTINUES ON THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, THIS IS FOR BICEALISTS AND PEDESTRIANS CONNECTING HERITAGE PARK AND FISHER. WHAT IS GREAT ABOUT THE BRIDGE IS IT CREATES NOT ONLY A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE PARKS BUT THE COMMUNITIES. IF YOU CONSIDER THE PATHWAY ON 106TH STREET THAT GOES THE ENTIRE DISTANCE OF CARMEL, IT ALSO CONTINUES WEST INTO ZIONSVILLE AND THAT WILL BE EXTENDED TO THE BIG FOUR RAIL TRAIL. IF YOU TAKE THE 106 STREET PERIMETER TRAIL AND FISHER EAST, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO THE NICKEL TRAIL. SO IT BECOMES A GREAT EAST, WEST CORRIDOR BETWEEN THE BIG FOUR RAIL TRAIL AND MONAN GREENWAY. IT IT WILL BE IMPORTANT NONVEHICLULAR CONNECTION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES. AND THE BRIDGE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS THE OVER LOOK, LOOKING SOUTH ON THE WHITE RIVER. IT IS AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE AND SOMETHING THE PUBLIC WILL BE CHECKING OUT. FINALLY, WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO THE OPENING OF THE MONAN STATION WHICH IS THE INDOOR PLAYGROUND. WE WILL HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING THAT COUNCIL AND MAYOR ARE INVITED TO. THE MAYOR WILL BE MAKING REMARKS AT THE DEDICATION. FRIDAY, JUNE 13, IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY, PLEASE DO SO. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU THERE. I CHALLENGE EACH OF YOU IN JOINING ME IN GOING UP THE PEDALS AND DOWN THE SLIDES. WITH THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS.
>> DIRECTOR, THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. AND THANK YOU CHIEF STERLING AND CARMEL P.D. FOR PARTNERRING WITH PARKS AND RECREATION FOR SUCH AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM. I THINK MICHAEL AND I AND THE MARKS BOARD STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO FUND THE PROGRAM. I THINK IT IS AN INCREASED LEVEL OF SERVICE AND ALSO KEEP OUR VISITORS TO OUR PARKS SYSTEMS SAFER. I'M EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT ADDITIONAL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FROM INPUT CARMEL P.D. THAT COULD TAKE PLACE FROM PAST CONVERSATIONS. THANK YOU FOR IMPLEMENTING THAT PROGRAM AND THANK YOU PREVIOUS COUNCILS AND HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL WILL CONTINUE TO FUND THIS PROGRAM.
QUESTION ABOUT THE ADHESION. YOU KNOW, THIS ALSO WAS A THORN IN MY SIDE FOR SOME TIME AS WELL AS YOU KNOW. THE ADHESION IS ONLY RELATED IF YOU JUST CLARIFY -- BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SAFETY SERVICE AT A NUMBER OF OUR PARKS. THE ADHESION ISSUE IS SPECIFICALLY ONLY TO THE ADHESION USED AT LAWRENCE ENLOW?
>> THERE ARE TWO PARTS WHERE WE HAVE HAD THIS CHALLENGE. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP. WE ALSO HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGE AT METAL PARK. THE TWO PROJECTS WERE DONE AT THE SAME TIME. THEY WERE DONE BY DIFFERENT VENDORS. THAT DEMONSTRATES IT WAS NOT THE
INSTALLERS. >> IT WAS NOT WORKMANSHIP. IT
WAS A PRODUCT THEY USED. >> YES. AND IT IS A PROBLEM THAT OTHER PARKS HAVE EXPERIENCED. AGAIN, IT IS NOT CREATING A CHALLENGE DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, THEY LAY FLAT, IT IS PERFECTLY SAFE FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS IT PROPERLY SO THAT DURING THE COOLER MONTHS, WE DON'T HAVE A TRIP HAZARD. IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE RESILIENCY.
THAT REMAINS WITHIN STANDARDS BUT IT DOES CREATE NUANCES AND CHALLENGES WITH THOSE TRIP HAZARDS. MEADOW LARK REPAIRS ARE SCHEDULED FOR MIDDLE OF THE WEEK, FIRST WEEK IN JUNE. IF
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THEY CAN'T GET IT DONE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS, WE WANT TO HAVE IT COMPLETED THIS SUMMER SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AGAIN. IF FOR SOME REASON, THEY CAN'T, WEATHER, WHATEVER, WE WANT TO DIFFER. AND NOADDITIONAL TAXPAYER EXPENSE? >> COMPLETELY COVERED UNDER
WARRANTY. >> THE ONLY EXPENSE IS NOT BEING
ABLE TO USE IT. >> EXACTLY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> TWO THINGS REAL QUICK. ONE BECAUSE I THINK IT IS FASCINATING, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BLACK LAYER AND THE COLORED LAYER, I FIND IT INTERESTING.
FOR PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, THE THICKNESS OF THE BLACK LAYER IS DETERMINED BY THE FALL HEIGHT. SO THE FURTHER A CHILD COULD FALL, THE THICKER THE BLACK LAYER IS. THE MATHS THAT GO INTO THAT ARE FASCINATING AND THE SAFETY FACTORS OF PARKS ARE INCREDIBLE AND MUCH APPRECIATED. I WANT TO REITERATE, THE BRIDGE
IS NOT OPEN. >> THE BRIDGE IS NOT OPEN. HAZEL
HANDING PARK IS NOT OPEN. >> YOU CANNOT ENTER. ENTRANCE IS
CLOSED. YES. >> IF YOU GO EAST OF HAZEL DALE OUR NEW OFFICERS WILL BE VISITING YOU AND THEY PATROL IS FREQUENTLY. I UNDERSTAND YOU SAY IT IS AN ISSUE. DON'T GO EAST
OF HAZEL DALE. >> IT WILL BE WORTH THE WAIT.
PLEASE WAIT FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE AS WELL AS FOR THOSE THAT ARE ANXIOUS TO USE IT.
>> SAME GOES FOR THE TRAIL. >> CORRECT.
[12.a. Seventh Reading of Ordinance D-2762-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 8, Article 5, Sections 8-37, 8-47, and 8-48 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor: Councilor Aasen. Remains in the Land Use and Special Studies Committee.]
>> ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> MOVING ON TO OLD BUSINESS, SEVENTH READING OF ORDINANCE D72 D7262-25, AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL, AMENDING CHAPTER
[12.b. Fifth Reading of Ordinance D-2767-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 2, Article 4, Section 2-96 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Taylor and Snyder. Remains in the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee.]
8, ARTICLE FIVE OF THE CODE. REMAINS IN LAND USE AND WILL STAY IN LAND USE FIFTH READING OF ORDINANCE D-2767-25, ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE 4 OF CITY CODE IN[12.c. Third Reading of Ordinance D-2769-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 6, Article 4, Section 6-63 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Taylor and Ayers. Remains in the Land Use and Special Studies Committee.]
FINANCE COMMITTEE. REMAINS IN FINANCE.>> THIRD READING OF ORDINANCE D-27-694625, AMENDING CHAPTER 6, ARTICLE 4, CURRENTLY IN LAND USE AND WILL STAY IN LAND USE. THIRD
[12.d. Third Reading of Ordinance D-2770-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Adopting a New Article 6 Under Chapter 4 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Aasen, Taylor, Snyder and Ayers. Remains in the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee.]
READING OFFARD NNS D-27 D-2770-25, AN ORDINANCE OF[12.e. Second Reading of Ordinance D-2771-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing the Issuance of Economic Development Tax Increment Revenue Bonds to Support the North End Phase II Project, and Authorizing and Approving Other Actions in Respect Thereto; Sponsor: Councilor Aasen. Remains in the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee.]
ADAUPDING A NEW ARTICLE 6. STILL IN FINANCE AND WILL STAY IN FINANCE. SECOND READING OFFARD NNS D-2771-25, ORDINANCE OFFERING THE ISSUES ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REVENUE BONDS. THIS IS IN FINANCE YES, IT PASSED BUT IT IS NOT COMING BACK YET TO THE[12.f. Second Reading of Ordinance D-2772-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Adopting a New Article 8 Under Chapter 2 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Aasen, Ayers, Minnaar, Snyder and Worrell. Remains in the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee.]
>> SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE D.2772-25, AN ORDINANCE OF CITY COUNCIL ADOPTING NEW ARTICLE 8, UNDER CHAPTER 2 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE. THIS IS ALSO IN FINANCE YES, SIR.
[14.a. First Reading of Ordinance D-2773-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving and Adopting a Revised Interlocal Agreement; Sponsor: Councilor Aasen. ]
>> AND IT IS STAYING IN FINANCE. >> PUBLIC HEARINGS, THERE ARE NONE. NEW BUSINESS, FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D.2773-25, AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF CARMEL, INDIANA, APPROVING AND ADOPTING INTERLOGUAL AGREEMENT, REVISED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE U.S. 31 RAMPS ECONOMIC GEMENT AREA AND CERTAIN NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS AREAS TO BE ESTABLISHED THERE IN BY THE CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IN ORDER TO MAKE A TECHNICAL CORRECTION.
>> GOOD EVENING, CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. EARLIER, LET ME TRY THIS AGAIN. EARLIER THIS YEAR, THIS COUNCIL APPROVED THE INTERLOCAL RELATED TO CLAY TERRACE, THE INTERLOCAL HAS SINCE BEEN APPROVED OR AN UPDATED VERSION HAS BEEN APPROVED AND VOTED ON BY THE CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, THE COUNCIL COUNCIL AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE VERSION YOU VOTED ON CONTAINED A SCRIBNER'S ERROR. THIS IS A SPECIFIC SLIDE
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THAT WE DISCUSSED WHEN IT WAS FIRST PRESENTED TO YOU. THERE IS A BULLET POINT IN THE MIDDLE THAT SAYS TIFF FUNDS, THIS CREATED ALLOCATION AREAS THAT CREATED TAX INCREMENT FUNDS THAT WOULD FLOW TO THE COUNTY AND CITY. THERE IS A BULLET POINT THAT SAYS THAT THE FUNDS HAVE TO BE USED FOR 146 STREET SERVICES.LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS. AS THE COUNTY COLLECT THE MONEY, IT CAN USE IT FOR ONE O OF TWO THINGS. IT CAN PAY OFF EXISTING BONDS THAT PAID FOR THOSE RAMPS, THE 146 STREET OR IT CAN ISSUE NEW DEBT. IF IT DOES, THE MONEY THERE HAS TO BE USED FOR 146TH STREET. THAT WAS ALWAYS THE INTENT. THAT IS NOT WHAT ENDED UP IN THE AGREEMENT. WHAT WAS ADDED TO THE AGREEMENT IS THIS BLUE PART THAT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT YOU CAN PAY OFF EXISTING DEBT WITH THE MONEY THAT FLOWS IN. IT IS ACTUALLY AS PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL BUT IT DID NOT MAKE ITS WAY INTO LOCAL. SO WHAT YOU ARE VOTING IS THE REVISED INTERLOCAL THAT PUTS INTO PRACTICE THE ORIGINAL WHICH IS AS THE COUNTY COLLECTS FUNDS AND ALLOCATION AREAS, IT CAN EITHER PAY OFF EXISTING DEBT WITH A PORTION ADDED HERE OR ISSUE NEW BONDS SO LONG AS THE PROCEEDS OF THE BONDS ARE USED FOR 146TH. THIS BODY IS THE LAST ONE TO VOTE FOR THE UPDATED VERSION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. >> IM UNCLEAR AS TO WHAT THE CHANGE IS FOR US AND WHY ARE WE REVISITING IT IF WHAT WE VOTED ON IS WHAT YOU ARE PRESENTING, OR IF I GOT THAT WRONG, PLEASE
EXPLAIN THAT. >> WHAT YOU VOTED ON IS THE FONT IN BLACK. THE VERSION IN BLUE WAS THE CHANGE THAT EVERY OTHER BODY VOTED OPON. THIS BODY IS VOTING ON THE UPDATED AGREEMENT, THE LANGUAGE IN THE BLUE FONT WHICH THE LANGUAGE SAYS AS FUNDS FLOW INTO THE REDEVELOPMENT AND ALLOCATION AREAS, IT CAN BE USED FOR PAYMENT OF THE EXISTING BONDS WHICH WAS ALWAYS THE INTENT. THAT'S WHY IT WAS MENTIONED ON THIS SLIDE BUT DID NOT MAKE ITS WAY INTO THE AGREEMENT BUT IT SHOULD HAVE.
>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. HENRY, COULD YOU GO THROUGH YOUR PROCESS AS WHOSE ATTORNEYS ARE DRAWING THIS UP AND HOW IT WORKS? THIS WAS A MAIN FUNCTION OF WHEN YOU RECEIVED MY AGREEMENT TO THIS, THIS WAS LIKE A KEY, KEY POINT, SHAME ON ME THAT I DIDN'T SEE IT BUT WE HAVE AN ENTIRE TEAM OF PAID PROFESSIONALS. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS GETS LEFT OUT? AND IF YOU HAVE TO NAME NAMES, NAME THEM. I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND, WHAT'S THE PROCESS, HOW DOES
THIS WORK? >> I WOULD RATHER NOT THROW ANY ATTORNEYS UNDER THE BUS. IT WAS LEFT OUT BY MISTAKE. IT WAS ALWAYS THE INTENT. IT WAS LEFT OUT, QUICKLY CORRECTED. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF BODIES VOTING ON THE AGREEMENT AT THE SAME TIME. BY THE TIME IT GOT TO THE COUNCIL, IT UNFORTUNATELY WAS THE PRIOR VERSION AND THEN IMMEDIATELY AS THE COUNTY BODY STARTED VOTING ON IT, THEY USED THE CORRECTED VERSION. SO I COULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS MONTHS AGO AND I WILL JUST TAKE THE BLAME FOR THOUGHT BRINGING IT UNTIL NOW. ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU ARE VOTING ON IS THE LANGUAGE THAT INCLUDES THE CHANGES IN BLUE THAT WOULD MATCH WHAT THE OTHER BODIES VOTED ON. THAT MATCHES THE INTENT THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE. IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE AGREEMENT BY ACCIDENT.
>> OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO ACCEPT THAT BUT I DO WANT TO KNOW, DID THE COUNTY SENT THIS TO US FOR REVIEW OR WAS THE PAPERWORK GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION? I WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, PLEASE THE COUNTY SENT IT TO US AND WE TOOK IT HERE AND IT WAS REALIZED THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THE DOCUMENT. SO WE
ARE HERE TO CORRECT THAT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> SO GENERAL QUESTION PAUSE THERE IS DEBT ISSUED ON
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ALLOCATION OF THE COUNTY. SO THEIR TRUST INDENTURE AUFRLD ALREADY SECURES THE SOURCE OF REVENUE. SO I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO CORRECT THE LANGUAGE BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE HOW THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IN THE ORDINANCE COULD SUPERSEDE FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS THEY HAVE ALREADY ENTERED INTOWITH CREDITORS. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
REMEMBER THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY ENTERED INTO THAT WAS SUBJECT TO THE PREVIOUS INTERLOCAL, THOSE ALLOCATIONARIES RAN OUT IN 2031.
SO WHAT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT HERE DID EXTENDED FOR THE COUNTY THE ABILITY TO RECEIVE MORE FUNDS AND EVEN BEFORE 2031, AS SOON AS SOMETHING GETS BUILT IN THE AREA, IT GENERATES MORE T.I.F. THAN THE COUNTY ASSUMED WOULD EXIST BASED ON A NEW
BASIS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHY IT ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO TAKE IN MORE TO PAY OFF THE EXISTING DEBT AS THE DENTURE ALLOWS OR DO A FUTURE BORROWING AGAINST THE FUTURE MONEY AND USE THAT MONEY FOR 146TH STREET. BOTH OF THOSE
WERE ALWAYS CONTIME TEM PLATED. >> THANK YOU.
>> JUST BECAUSE THINKING ABOUT IT, 146TH AND LOWE'S PARKWAY, MAYBE THEY DON'T RELATE BUT IS THAT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN, THE TWO STRAIGHT LANES, TWO TURN LANES ON ONE STREET AND -- I DON'T KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO THIS WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR TWO LANES TO GO STRAIGHT ACROSS 146TH.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO CHECK WITH THE CHIEF STRUCTURAL OFFICER BEFORE PROVIDING AN ANSWER IF THAT'S OKAY.
>> I DO HAVE JUST A SEMANTIC LAWYER QUESTION WHICH HAS BEEN TODAY A COUPLE OF TIMES, THE WORD BEYOND ON THE SLIDE, THAT IS A VERY SPECIFIC PREPOSITION. IT MEANS PAST DEBT SERVICE. I RECALL WE HAD A CONVERSATION, I THINK IT WAS JANUARY 6 ABOUT THE USE OF THESE FUNDS TO ILPROVE THE 146TH STREET CORRIDOR WITH EDEN CARMEL. I KNOW WE CAME TO A CONCLUSION AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT NOT HAVING TO HAPPEN BUT WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, ENSURING THAT AS THE CORRIDOR BUILDS UP WHICH IS ALREADY PSEUDO HORRIFIC PLACE TO DRIVE WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO KAUSZ THE CITY. I REMEMBER HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, READING BEYOND NOT INCLUDING THE DEBT. SO WONDERING ON A SEMANTIC QUESTION THERE, WAS THE ADDITION OF THIS LANGUAGE TRULY INTENDED OR WAS IT SOMETHING THOUGHT OF AFTER? BECAUSE THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT BUILDING UP INFRASTRUCTURE ON 146TH STREET.
I HEAR YOU AND YOU CAN READ BEYOND AS A PLUS WITH AN EQUAL SIGN UNDER WHERE IT INCLUDES THAT BUT IT IS NOT SUPER CLEAR THAT THE DEBT SERVICE WAS THERE FOR THE T.I.F. REVENUE. JUST
WONDERING. >> FIRST, I WROTE THE WORD BEYOND WHEN I MADE THE SLIDE. IF THAT WAS INARTFULLY STATED, I WILL TAKE THE BLAME. THINK OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS THING.
THE COUNTY IS CUTTING OUT OTHER ALLOCATION AREAS THAT OTHERWISE WOULD RECEIVE T.I.F. THAT THEY WOULD BE ERECEIVING FOR THEIR BONDS. SO WHATEVER WE ARE REPLACING THAT FLOWS TOWARDS THEM, THEY HAVE TO USE TOWARDS EXISTING BONDS, OTHERWISE THE COUNTY IS HARMED. WHAT ELSE IS HAPPENING IS THEY ARE RECEIVING MORE REVENUE THAN THEY WOULD HAVE WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO PAY OFF THEIR BONDS FASTER. YOU STILL HAVE THE T.I.F. COMING IN, SO THEN THEY GET TWO MORE CHOICES. THEY GET TO HAVE T.I.F.
THAT COMES IN EVERY YEAR AND SPEND IT EVERY YEAR ON 146TH STREET OR THEY GET TO DO A BIG BOND AGAINST THAT FUTURE T.I.F.
AND USE IT FOR 146TH STREET. I WOULD SAY DESPITE MY USE OF THE WORD BEYOND, BOTH OF THOSE CONCEPTS WERE ALWAYS
CONTEMPLATED. >> I THINK WHAT EVERYONE IS TOUCHING ON AND NOT QUITE GETTING TO IS, WE DID HAVE A PROBUST CONVERSATION UP HERE ABOUT THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS.
THE WAY YOU ARE PHRASING IT THIS EVENING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COUNTY GETS TO DECIDE. TO COUNCILLOR TAYLOR'S POINT, THERE IS A MORTGAGE TO BE PAID. THAT NEEDS TO BE PAID. I BELIEVE
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AT LEAST I WAS UNDER THE EXPECTATION THAT THERE WAS NO DECISION TO BE MADE. ANYTHING BEYOND THAT WENT INTO IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS CORRIDOR. NOW YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE COUNTY GETS TO DECIDE HOW AND WHEN AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO THAT. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN PAYING DOWN THE COUNTY'S MORTGAGE. I'M INTERESTED IN MAKING IMPROVEMENTS FOR CARMEL.THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THE INTENT WAS. IF I'M MISSPEAKING, I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S HOW I RECEIVED THIS MANY MONTHS AGO.
THIS IS NOT WHATURAL. I'M NO LOPGER COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.
YOU ARE SAYING THE COUNTY HAS THE OPTION. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT YOU PAY THE MORTGAGE AND THEN WE IMPROVE THE COURT.
>> NO THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AGAIN, THE T.I.F. FLOWING FROM THE AREAS HAS TO PAY THE CURRENT BONDS THAT THE COUNTY HAS OUTSTANDING. SO AS WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY ENLARGED THE AMOUNT OF T.I.F. FLOWING TO THE COUNTY, THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY THEIR BONDS. AND THEN ANYTHING OVER AND ABOVE THAT THEY RECEIVE, THEY HAVE TO SPEND ALONG 146TH STREET. SO THE ONLY CHANGE IS
THAT EXACT T CONCEPT. >> YOU SAID THEY COULD PAY DOWN THEIR MORTGAGE FASTER, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR THEY COULD TAKE OUT ANOTHER MORTGAGE TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR CARMEL.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> BUT IF WE WANT TO INSTIGATE IT, THERE IS NOTHING I SAW THAT SAID THE COUNTY MUST DOA LOAN OR MUST DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF CARMEL.
>> LET ME JUST SAY IT THIS WAY. THIS ULTIMATELY IS GENERATING, IF EVERYTHING IS SUCCESSFUL, ABOUT $2.6 MILLION OF T.I.F.
COMING IPFROM BJ WHOLE SAIL AND $1.8 MILLION FROM CLAY TERRACE.
LET'S CALL IT $4 MILLION ALTOGETHER. COUNTIES DON'T ISSUE GIANT BONDS FOR $4 MILLION. THEY ISSUE $100 MILLION WITH NOT JUST T.I.F. AS MAIN REPAYMENT SOURCE, PUING A LID BACK UP OR A BACKUP ON IT AND IT WILL BE PART OF A MUCH LARGER BOND. SO YES, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT IN WHICH CASE THE PORTION RELATED TO THIS HAS TO BE USED FOR 146TH STREET. THE CONCEPT HAS NEVER CHANGED. THEY ARE HARMING THEMSELVES BY CUTTING OUT CURRENT AREAS THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO TODAY TO ALLOW US TO DO THIS DEAL. SO THEY MUST HAVE THE RIGHT TO PAYOFF CURRENT BONDS FROM THE AREA WHICH IS THE PART THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE AGREEMENT BY ACCIDENT.
>> CAN YOU GO TO THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE SO I CAN PROCESS?
>> NUMBER NINE SAYS THEY GET TO DO A FUTURE BOND. THEN IT SAYS NOT WITHSTANDING ANYTHING HERE IN, THEY CAN ELECT TO USE THE F T.I.F. TO PAY OUTSTANDING BONDS. THAT WAS ALSO THE ININTENT BUT
LEFT OUT. >> SO THE CHANGE IS NOT SAYING THAT THEY CAN'T USE FUTURE INCREMENT. THAT WAS ALWAYS IN THE APPROVAL WE MADE. THE CHANGE IS ENSURING THEY CAN USE IT TO SERVICE DEBT OUTSTANDING. WE SWAPPED ALLOCATION AREAS, THEY HAVE TO USE THE B.J. INCREMENT TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY BACKED BY THESE PARSELLS FOR WHICH THEY ARE ALLOWING US TO USE THE REVENUE TO REDEVELOPMENT THOSE PORTIONS
OF TERRACE. >> THAT IS PERFECTLY STATED. IT ALLOWS THEM TO USE THE T.I.F. FLOWING IN ON BONDS OUTSTANDING WHICH WAS ALWAYS THE POINT BUT FAILED TO HAVE THAT LANGUAGE.
>> AND TO CLARIFY, THE OUTSTANDING BOND IS DEFINED AT THE 2018 AND 2019 BONDS TIED TO THE AREA. SO IT IS A TERM OF LEGAL ART THAT TIES IT TO THE SPECIFIC BONDS USED FOR THIS. IT IS NOT ALL COUNTY DEBT. IT CAN'T BE USED TO OTHER DEBT OR OTHER PLACES. SO THIS IS GOING TO GO TO COMMITTEE. YOU GOT A LOT OF IT. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE IT? THIS WILL GO TO FINANCE. ONE
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QUESTION I HAVE IF YOU COULD DISCUSS IN FINANCE IS, I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE ANYTHING FROM THE 146TH CORRIDOR, BUT IS THAT, GIVEN WHAT HAS CHANGED AND WHERE WE MAY HAVE OTHER NEEDS, NO LONGER T.I.F., IS THAT STILL THE BEST CASE? WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT STATE CHANGES AT THE TIME WE DID THIS. I DON'T KNOW. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT -- THERE ARE STRUCTURES THAT COULD BENEFIT THE COUNTY THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE UTILIZED?>> IF I COULD. >> NO, YOU CAN'T.
>> IF I COULD, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT IN PRINCIPLE THAT WAS AGREED TO AYEAR AGO, VOTED ON, FOUR OTHER BODIES HAVE AGREED TO IT. ALLOCATIONARIES HAVE BEEN CREATED TO EFFECTCUATE THE AGREEMENT SO I WOULD CAUTION.
>> BUT THERE IS A MISTAKE AND NOW THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN FINANCIAL SO IT IS WORTH A DISCUSSION. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO AGENDA ADD ON ITEMS. OTHER
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BUSINESS? SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS OKAY. WELL, I DO. OF COURSE I DO. I'M IN A UNIQUE SITUATION PRESIDING OVER THIS GROUP TONIGHT. I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATION WITH PRESIDENT AESEN ABOUT T THIS. GIVEN THE COMMITTEES THAT WERE SET UP AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, IT IS A LITTLE HAM STRUNG WITHOUT A COMMITTEE CHAIR. SO TWO THINGS CAN HAPPEN. I CAN USE THE SEAT I'M SITTING IN NOW TO NAME ONE OR I CAN NOMINATE ONE AND WE CAN VOTE. EITHER WAY, RYAN LOCKE IS GOING TO BE THE CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEE. HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO IT?>> I THINK THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT FROM TALKING TO PRESIDENT AESEN I THINK HIS FEELING WAS THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF IT WAS A VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. SO IF THE CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE ONE. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE RYAN LOCKE AS CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE THAT IS BEING REFERRED TO AS THE INVESTIGATION COMMITTEE.
>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.
>> ROLL CALL PLEASE? >> COUNCILLOR GREEN?
DISCUSSION ? SORRY. >> COUNCILLOR LOCKE, YOU DID ACTUALLY VOICE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO TAKE THIS ON, TO LEAD IT. IT MEANS I THINK TO DR. JOSHI'S POINT, THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE AS TO HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS FOR
THE PUBLIC? >> SURE. I WILL REVOICE THAT I'M WILLING TO TAKE THIS ON AND I THINK THAT IF WE CAN SET AN AGENDA AND STRUCTURE THAT ALLOWS FOR THE RIGHT INPUT, THE RIGHT CADENCE AND ABILITY OF THE PUBLIC AND COUNCILLORS AND THE COMMITTEE ITSELF TO GET THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED THAT NEEDS TO, WE WILL BE IN A BETTER SPOT. MY THOUGHT IS TO CREATE A VERY PROCEDURAL STRUCTURE THAT ALLOWS ALL OF THAT TO OCCUR, THAT CREATES A WAY FOR DATA TO FLOW, TO GET THE INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD. WHAT WE NEED IS A COMMITTEE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE AND CONFIDENT THAT OUR CITY IS BEING ADMINISTERED IN THE WAY WE
NEED IT TO BE. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILLOR GREEN? >> COUNCILLOR JOSHI?
>> AYE. >> COUNCILLOR MINNAAR?
>> AYE. THANK YOU. AND CONGRATULATIONS. ANY OTHER BUSINE
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.