[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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          >> ALL RIGHT. I WILL DO THAT AGAIN. I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE CARMEL COUNSEL TO ORDER FROM MONDAY, JULY 7TH. WE HAVE ONE 
          [2. AGENDA APPROVAL]
COUNCILOR REMOTE, BUT WE HAVE ALL THE COUNCILORS WITH OUR MEETING TONIGHT . FIRST UP IS AGENDA APPROVAL. DO I HAVE A 
          MOTION? >> SO MOVED. 
          >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE. WE WILL HAVE TO DO A VOICE VOTE TONIGHT. 
          >> 
          [3. INVOCATION]
INVOCATION. TONIGHT WE HAVE RABBI FROM THE CONGREGATION. I 
          APOLOGIZE. >> NOT AT ALL. SHARIA IS SOMETHING A BIT DIFFERENT. I DID NOT PLAN ON A SPECIFIC INVOCATION TONIGHT -- OKAY. HAVING SAID THAT. OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN. TONIGHT WE ASK THAT YOU HELP US TO LIVE WITH GRATITUDE FOR THE GREAT NATION IN WHICH WE LIVE, THE BEAUTIFUL STATE, THE WONDERFUL CITY THAT WE CALL HOME. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DEDICATED GROUP OF ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO DEVOTEDLY SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC. GUIDE THEM TO WALK ON YOUR PATHS OF JUSTICE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS AS THEY LEAD OUR CITY INTO THE FUTURE. AND MAY THE BLESSINGS THAT WE ENJOY OF SAFETY, SECURITY , HAPPINESS, LIBERTY, AND FREEDOM SPREAD FROM OUR TOWN, OUR CITY, OUR STATE, OUR NATION, AND MADE IT DEVELOP -- ENVELOPED THE ENTIRE WORLD SO THAT THE VISION OF COMES TO FRUITION. THE NATION WILL NOT LIFT UP SWORD AGAINST NATION, NEITHER SHALL THEY LEARN WAR ANYMORE. ALL OF THEM FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST SHALL KNOW ME. WE PRAY IN YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN. THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION. 
          [4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
          >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT UP WE HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. OUR DEPUTY MAYOR WILL GET US 
          STARTED. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND 
          JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA 
          [5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS]
IS RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS. WE HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION TONIGHT. CALL THE CHIEF UP TO 
          THE MICROPHONE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. THANK YOU, PRESIDENT AASEN, FOR ALLOWING US TO USE THIS TIME TO RECOGNIZE A COUPLE OUTSTANDING CITIZENS TONIGHT. I ALSO WANT TO THANK CHIEF FOR SHOWING HIS SUPPORT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK SERGEANT MATT KINGSLEY, OFFICER BRENDAN OWENS, AND MR. UP IN FRONT OF THE DAIS SO WE CAN HONOR THEM . 
          ON MAY 4TH, 2025 , DURING THE JAPANESE CHERRY BLOSSOM FESTIVAL, MR. JAZZ ROUNTREE SUFFERED A LIFE-THREATENING MEDICAL EMERGENCY AND COLLAPSED INSIDE THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          REGISTERED NURSE WAS DRIVING THROUGH THE PARKING GARAGE WITH HIS FAMILY AT THAT TIME. HE WITNESSED MR. ROUNTREE COLLAPSE AND QUICKLY SPRUNG INTO ACTION RESPONDING TO THE EMERGENCY. AT THE SAME TIME, OUR OWN CITY COUNCILOR, DR. ANITA JOSHI, WAS WALKING THROUGH THE PARKING GARAGE AND RESPONDED IMMEDIATELY AS WELL. AND VICE PRESIDENT MATTHEW SNYDER BE IMMEDIATELY COMFORTING THE FAMILY AND BROUGHT CALMNESS TO THE SCENE. 
          DR. JOSHI ASSESS THE SITUATION AND ADMINISTERED CPR. 
          IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED. HE RAN TO HIS PATROL VEHICLE, RETRIEVED 
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HIS A.D.D. AND BYSTANDERS DIRECTED HIM TO THE LOCATION. 
          OFFICER OWENS QUICKLY IDENTIFIED ROUNTREE TO BE IN CARDIAC ARREST AND BEGAN UTILIZING CHEST COMPRESSIONS. INCOMING UNITS OF HIS LOCATION AS DURING THE CHAOS AND CONFUSION OF THE INCIDENT, THE CALL WAS ORIGINALLY DISPATCHED TO THE VETERANS WAY GARAGE. MATT KINGSLEY, WHO ALSO DOUBLES AND HAS BEEN TRAINED AS A CERTIFIED MEDIC, ARRIVED ON SCENE AND ASSISTED OWENS WITH LIFE-SAVING MEASURES UNTIL THEY ARRIVED. A TOTAL OF TWO SHOCKS WERE DELIVERED PRIOR TO EMS ARRIVAL. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, MR. ROUNTREE REGAINED POLLS AND WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE HOSPITAL FOR FURTHER TREATMENT. AND I BELIEVE MR. ROUNTREE WAS RELEASED JUST A WEEK LATER. UNFORTUNATELY WE FOUND OUT TODAY MR. ROUNTREE AND HIS FAMILY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ATTEND. THEY WANTED TO. IT IS DUE TO THE HEROIC EFFORTS OF DR. JOSHI, OFFICER OWENS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO CELEBRATE IN THE MANNER WE DO TODAY. FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE CITIZENS COMMENDATION AWARD ON BEHALF OF CPD TO DR. JOSHI, AS WELL AS LIFE-SAVING AWARDS TO DR. OWENS AND SERGEANT KINGSLEY. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK LIEUTENANT. HE DID NEARLY ALL THE LEGWORK TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN TONIGHT . AND I KNOW HE IS DISAPPOINTED TO MISS THIS AS WELL, BUT HE IS SPENDING MUCH NEEDED TIME WITH HIS FAMILY. I HAVE THESE AWARDS I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT. 
          >> BE SURE TO GET YOUR PICTURES. OH, YEAH. TAKE ALL THE TIME YOU NEED. COME ON. 
          >> JOSHI VERY MUCH DESERVED . THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK TO 
          HELP OTHERS. >> I CREDIT EMS AND THE CITY WITH AN AMAZING RESPONSE . POLICE AND EMS DID A PHENOMENAL 
          , PHENOMENAL JOB. >> WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR THAT. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO STICK AROUND FOR THE ENTIRE MEETING, IT IS NOT RUDE IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE. WE JUST ASK THAT YOU DO SO QUIETLY. BUT YOU ARE WELCOME 
          [6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]
TO STAY, OF COURSE. MOVING ON. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. BLUE CARD SECTION. WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE TONIGHT. GOING TO CALL YOUR NAME. THESE MOVED TO THE MICROPHONE. PUSH THE BUTTON TO START SPEAKING. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THE LIGHT WILL TURN GREEN . YELLOW MEANS YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT. RED MEANS, PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS. 
          FIRST OFF IS MYERS SPEAKING ABOUT MICRO MOBILITY. IF YOU WANT TO HEAD TO THE MICROPHONE. AND THEN AFTER THAT IF YOU WANTED TO GET READY , IT WOULD BE ANDREW MYERS SPEAKING ON THE SAME TOPIC. 
          >> I PRESS THE BUTTON. OKAY. OKAY. HI. I'M SPEAKING ON THE TOPIC OF MICRO MOBILITY. I RECENTLY READ AN ARTICLE IN THE CARMEL CURRENT . AND I FOUND FOUR MAIN ARGUMENTS I FOUND PRESENTED. THE SAFETY OF THE RIDERS WAS A WORRY. SAFETY OF POSSESSIONS. RIDERS MEETING ON TRAILS. AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES 
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POWERED BY THE RIDER. FIRST TOPIC IS SAFETY OF THE RIDERS. 
          IF THE PARENTS ARE OKAY WITH KIDS AND TEENAGERS WRITING THESE VEHICLES ON THE TRAIL , THAT IS THE LAST OPTION, I BELIEVE THAT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE ARE -- THEY DON'T KNOW WELL ENOUGH OR THEY ARE DANGEROUS ON THE VEHICLES CAN ALSO FALL UNDER THE ARGUMENT FOR MECHANICAL BIKES AS WELL BECAUSE I HAVE FOUND THAT INAUDIBLE ] DANGEROUS TOO. I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A LARGER CONCERN MORE FOCUSED ON PEDESTRIAN SAFETY BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE AT RISK. SPEAKING SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS WISE, I ALSO FIND THAT PEDESTRIANS ARE MORE UNSAFE THAN FISHERS AS WELL AND THAT IS DUE TO THE LARGE AMOUNT OF HEADPHONES AND EARBUDS YOU MAY FIND ON THE TRAIL. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BENDING ELECTRONICS ON THE TRAIL , I THINK YOU MIGHT BAN EARBUDS AND HEADPHONES AS WELL. I'M KIDDING. BUT JUST BRINGING UP THE POINT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IT ISN'T JUST THE RIDERS ' JOB TO BE SAFE. 
          BECAUSE WHAT IS THE NUMBER ONE THING YOU SAY WHEN YOU WANT TO PASS SOMEONE ? ON YOUR LEFT. YOU GIVE THEM A VERBAL WARNING THAT TELLS THEM, HEY, I'M COMING UP BEHIND YOU. BUT IF SOMEONE HAS HEADPHONES IN , THEN THEY CANNOT HEAR YOU COMING UP FROM BEHIND THEM. ONE BIG THING I WOULD LIKE TO PUSH IS I OWN A LONGBOARD. 
          AND THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM AN ELECTRIC DIRT BIKE BECAUSE WITH THE DIRTBIKE, THERE IS NO WAY THE RIDER CAN POWER IT. BUT WITH MY LONGBOARD, I CAN PUSH POWER IT. THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO AN ELECTRIC BIKE BECAUSE I'M ABLE TO POWER IT. THE BIGGEST REASONING THAT IS USED IS THAT AS I RIDE MY LONGBOARD I'M NOT USING IT AS A PUSH POWER LONGBOARD. BY E-BIKES, WHICH ARE ALLOWED ON THE TRAIL -- KIDS USING E-BIKES USE THEM AS A MOTORCYCLE INSTEAD. AS I AM COUNSELORS, I WILL FEEL SAFE WITH TRENT 26 AROUND ME BEING UNSAFE. SO I PUSH FOR THE REASONING OF A SPEED LIMIT BECAUSE I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF BANNING ALL ELECTRIC DEVICES, IT IS BETTER TO USE A SPEED LIMIT BECAUSE THAT RESTRICTS EVERYTHING AND KEEPS MOST PEOPLE 
          HAPPY. >> I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, BUT HOW OLD ARE YOU?'S MAC 15. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT IS NOT EASY FOR ADULTS TO GET UP HERE. 
          THAT IS WHY I TOLD THEM NOT TO HAVE THE LOUD DIGGING BUTTON FOR YOUR SECONDS. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT UP, ANDREW MYERS SPEAKING ON THE SAME TOPIC. 
          >> THANK YOU. THANKS FOR GIVING US ALL THIS OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS THE BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD. VERY PROUD OF HIM AS WELL. MY NAME IS -- I'M HERE TO SUPPORT ALLOWING ALL FORMS OF E ASSISTED MOBILITY DEVICES OR WHATEVER THEY ARE CALLED. E-BIKES. 
          LONGBOARD'S ON OUR CITY PADS. REASONABLE SOLUTION FOR KEEPING EVERYBODY'S SAFETY AND TO RESPECT THE SPEED LIMIT IDEA. 
          REASONABLE SPEED LIMIT TO ENSURE SAFETY FOR EVERYONE. AS MENTIONED, HE USES A LONGBOARD. HE USES IT FOR COMMUTING PURPOSES. HE WILL GO TO THE RACQUET CLUB, COME HOME, SAVES HIS MOM AND I A TON OF TIME AND EFFORT. IT HAS GIVEN HIM INDEPENDENCE FROM US. HIS RANGE IS INCREASED OVER THAT OF A PEDAL BIKE. SAVES US GAS . ALL KINDS OF BENEFITS TO IT. PLUS HE HAS SO MUCH FUN FLYING AROUND TOWN . I WOULD FALL OFF IN A HEARTBEAT . HE IS A ROCK STAR ON IT. BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND COMMUNITY CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE READ ABOUT OR HEARD ABOUT REGARDING SAFETY . BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT IS THE DEVICE ITSELF. IT IS MORE THE POTENTIAL FOR RECKLESS SPEED , WHICH COULD BE ON ANY OF THE DEVICES. SO LET'S FOCUS ON RESPECTFULLY , MATURE USE OF THE SPEED LIMIT , WHICH IS ENFORCED AND CLEARLY 
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POSTED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF RECKLESS RIDING. THANK YOU. 
          [7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]
          >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. NEXT ON THE AGENDA WE HAVE COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS. 
          MAYOR? 
          >> CLAIRE IS ASKING ME TO SUB FOR HER TONIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO DO THAT. I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR OUR FIRST ANNUAL POP-UP THAT WE DID. THE FIRST POP-UP WE DID FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT LEGACY . I BELIEVE THE NEXT ONE IS GOING TO BE IN THE SOUTHEAST PART. WHERE DID YOU END UP? WORKING ON IT. 
          OKAY. I KNOW IT WAS UNDER DISCUSSION. SO AGAIN, WE WILL TRY TO . GOD WILLING WE CAN GET ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO PARTICIPATE. BUT WE WILL ROTATE% AROUND THE SIXTH DISTRICT. BUT WE WEREN'T SURE HOW IT WOULD GO, BUT WE HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT, ASKING ABOUT EVENTS COMING UP. JUST WANTED TO COME MEET SHANNON. 
          MANY PEOPLE WOULD NEVER HAVE EMAILED OR CALLED. THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING OR TAKEN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT WE WERE IN THEIR BACKYARD, IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE. SO THANK YOU TO ALL THE CITY STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL WHO PARTICIPATED IN THAT. WE ALSO HAD THE HONOR OF PRESENTING STEPHEN WITH THE CARMEL ARCHITECTURE AWARD . FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH HIS WORK , STEP OUT SOMEWHERE ON THE STREET IN CARMEL AND YOU'LL SEE OVER 40 BUILDINGS HE HAS DESIGNED. HE STARTED HERE TRULY IS A TEENAGER, WHICH I DID NOT KNOW -- BUILDING HOUSES AS A KID. HE FELL IN LOVE WITH ARCHITECTURE AS A CRAFT. HE IS A MASTER CRAFTSMAN BECAUSE HE HAS MADE CARMEL THE CITY IT IS TODAY. 
          SOME OF HIS WORK INCLUDES THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL. OLD TOWN SHOPS, ART AND DESIGN DISTRICT, AND OF COURSE ALL THE MISSING ELEMENTS OF CITY CENTER. SO IF YOU HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE, COUNCIL , SEND HIM A NOTE. HE WAS VERY HUMBLED TO RECEIVE THIS AWARD. SO , WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE SAID HE IS NOT DONE YET. A LOT OF DESIGN LEFT TO DO IN THE CITY. AND HE WAS HONORED TO ACCEPT THE AWARD. SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO DO THAT. HE ALSO MAY HAVE NOTICED A CHANGE IN MY ATTIRE THIS EVENING. I HEARD A FEW TIMES, WHAT DID YOU DO? ELIZABETH? YES, I DID. THIS IS FROM CITY OF EDMONTON OUTSIDE OF OKLAHOMA CITY. THE CARMEL OF OKLAHOMA CITY. IT WAS FOUNDED BY A YOUNG MAN AT 23 YEARS OLD. 
          ORIGINALLY CALLED NORMAN'S CAMP, I BELIEVE IT WAS. BUT THIS AMAZING CITY IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN US. 128,000 PEOPLE. 
          AND AGAIN, FOUNDED AROUND THE 1870S. SECOND MOST POPULOUS CITY IN THE STATE. SO I WENT TO READ A COUPLE WORDS FROM MAYOR NASH FROM ADMIN. HE WAS A GREAT SPORT ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING BEFORE THEY WON AS WELL. HE SAID, I HOPE THIS LETTER FINDS YOU IN GOOD SPIRITS DESPITE THE OUTCOME OF THE 2025 NBA FINALS. OKLAHOMA PLAYED WITH HEART, GRIT, AND DETERMINATION. MORE IMPORTANTLY, I'M WRITING TO FOLLOW-UP ON OUR FRIENDLY WAGER. AS PER OUR AGREEMENT, LOOKS LIKE IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO DON THAT THUNDER JERSEY YOUR NEXT CARMEL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THIS MIGHT CLASH WITH THE USUAL ATTIRE OF A PROUD INDIANA MAYOR, I HAVE NO DOUBT YOU WILL WEAR IT WITH THE CLASS AND GOOD HUMOR. IN THE SPIRIT OF FUN, CIVIC, RODERICK, I WOULD BE PROUD TO WEAR MY OWN THUNDER JERSEY IN SOLIDARITY WITH YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE I FOUND THIS JERSEY IN MY INBOX ABOUT 4:00. THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCH A GREAT SPORT. 
          RIVALRIES LIKE THESE BRING OUR CITIES TOGETHER IN WAYS THAT GO BEYOND SPORTS AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THIS LIGHTHEARTED TRADITION WITH YOU. LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THUNDER BLUE IN CARMEL. HERE YOU GO, MAYOR NASH. ENJOY THAT 
          [00:20:03]
BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN. GO PACERS. AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A LITTLE FUN WITH MAYOR 
          NASH IN OKLAHOMA. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL? 
          >> WHILE YOU ARE SETTING THAT UP, I WILL SAY THIS CARMEL COLORS MINUS THE ORANGE. SO THERE ARE CERTAIN REDEEMING CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT JERSEY. 
          >> BY THE WAY, DID NOT INTRODUCE CLARA. THIS IS CLARA CALLAHAN. 
          SHE IS A RISING SIXTH GRADER GOING TO CREAK AND MIDDLE SCHOOL. I JUST WANT TO GIVE -- SHE SPENT SOME TIME WITH US WORKING IN THE BOOTH. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET ALL THE CITY COUNCILORS AND OUR VIP FIRE CHIEF AND A COUPLE CITY POLICE OFFICERS TONIGHT. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE YOU. 
          >> IT IS PLUGGED IN. I DON'T KNOW. 
          >> I.T.? OKAY. 
          A LITTLE BIT OF THIS IS A REQUEST FOR ADVICE FROM YOU . 
          BACK IN OCTOBER , A COUPLE RESIDENTS REACHED OUT TO COUNCILOR AYERS AND THEY REACHED OUT TO ME . I COLLECTIVELY SENT AN EMAIL ON BEHALF OF US TO A GENTLEMAN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT WAS OVER THE PROJECT . THE HIGH SCHOOL EXPANSION AND ALL OF THAT . I GOT AN EMAIL BACK FROM ROGER MCMICHAEL THAT THE EMAIL HAD BEEN FORWARDED TO HIM . IN MY EMAIL AS YOU SEE HERE, I SIMPLY ASKED WHAT THE NEED FOR PARKING WHERE IT SAYS NUMBER 16 WAS. THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE CAN UNDERSTAND IT FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IT. IT IS A HUGE COST . AS AN ALTERNATE FOR, LIKE , 20 SPACES. HE RESPONDS IT WAS A CITY REQUIREMENT AND THAT HE WILL NOT BE MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL IF RESIDENTS HAVE PROBLEMS, THEY SHOULD REACH OUT TO HIM. WELL, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. 
          AND THIS HAS GONE ON . I SENT THIS ON NOVEMBER 11TH, I BELIEVE. THE CITY REQUIRED THOSE. THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS IS TWOFOLD. IN ESSENCE, WE HAVE MET WITH A COUPLE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, TALKED ABOUT THIS. SORT OF -- THEY SORT OF GOT THE SAME PUSHBACK. BUT WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS RIGHT HERE. THERE IS SUCH A GRADE SEPARATION. NOT ONLY IS THIS DANGEROUS SCHOOL ISSUE BUT DANGEROUS FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE FIELD BECAUSE THERE IS A DROP OFF. THEY ARE EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO BRING THE ROAD UP OR PUT IN A EXPENSIVE RETAINING WALL ALL FOR 24 SPOTS, BUT IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION , ESPECIALLY IN THE DRAWING -- IF YOU LOOK WHERE THIS STUB OUT IS AND WHERE THIS STUB OUT IS, IT LOOKS -- AND I KNOW -- I'M NOT SAYING THE CITY -- QUITE CERTAIN THE CITY HAS NEVER HAD THESE PLANS, BUT IT WOULD APPEAR THEY ARE TRYING TO CONNECT THIS ROAD TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND HERE TO THIS TRAIL THAT IS VERY ACTIVE WITH STUDENTS AND NONSTUDENTS ALIKE. IT JUST GIVES THAT IMPRESSION. 
          WELL, NOW -- I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS IMAGE WAS TAKEN , BUT HERE IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW WHERE THEY ARE STUCK DIALING ALL OF THE STONE TO RAISE THE ELEVATION. EXCUSE ME. THIS IS ABOUT A MONTH AGO. RAISE THE ELEVATION , WHICH IS NOW IMPACTING THESE. AND THEN JUST YESTERDAY GOT A TEXT MESSAGE 
          [00:25:03]
FROM A HOMEOWNER . AND I'M SORRY FOR THE SCREENSHOT FROM MY PHONE, BUT THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW FROM THEIR HOUSE. NOW, I GET IT. THIS IS NOT -- YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS SHOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE A GOOD STEWARD. THIS IS NOT LIKE PUTTING IN A TRAIL WHERE THIS BENEFITS 100,000 PEOPLE. THIS IS 20 PARKING SPOTS THAT I'M SURE IF WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH DOCS COULD FIND EITHER ANOTHER PLACE FOR THEM OR JUST SAY THEY ARE NOT NEEDED IF I HAVE LEARNED ANYTHING . PLAY WITH PARKING NUMBERS ALL YOU WANT. SO HERE IS THIS STUB OUT THERE PUTTING INTO THE DRAWINGS. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT NEEDS TO BE THERE. QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THROUGH TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT THESE 20 SPOTS ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE APARTMENTS ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE THE HOMEOWNERS HERE AND DIRECTLY IMPACTS THIS TRAIL THAT IS VERY ACTIVE. SO I'VE RUN THIS THROUGH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THROUGH THE SUPERINTENDENT' S OFFICE THE BEST I CAN. SO HERE I AM NOW OUT OF IDEAS ON WHAT TO DO TO SUPPORT THESE HOMEOWNERS . ONE THING THAT COUNCILOR AYERS BROUGHT IN ON SOME OF THESE EMAILS AS WELL EARLY ON . HAD THIS LONG RELATIONSHIP WITH A LOT OF THE PEOPLE AT THE SCHOOL THAT SEEMED TO BE TURNING OVER. THIS IS NOT A CITY THING . AND COUNCILOR AYERS IS DOING EVERYTHING SHE CAN , AS AM I AND AS IS EVERY OTHER MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL THAT HAS COMMENTED ON THIS . BUT TO THE HOMEOWNERS, THIS IS A BAD DEAL . AND I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO HELP. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. THIS IS NOT A CITY THING. BUT WE WILL FIGHT AND DO WHATEVER. BUT I'M OUT OF IDEAS ON HOW TO HELP THEM OUT. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS ON THE RECORD THAT WE ARE TRYING. BUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM NEEDS TO STEP UP. I'M SURE THE CITY CAN LET 
          GO OF 20 SPOTS THERE. >> COUNCILOR, I CAN TALK , BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING ABOUT ANY OF THIS. SO I 
          DON'T KNOW. >> ANY OTHER COUNCIL COMMENTS? 
          COUNCILOR TAYLOR. >> THANK YOU. I WANTED TO ANNOUNCE ON JULY 30TH 5:30 P.M. AT THE CLUBHOUSE THE AT-LARGE CITY COUNCILORS STATED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO HIT EVERY DISTRICT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND HOLD A TOWN HALL. TOWN HALL ON JULY 30TH AT 5:30. THIS TIME IT WILL BE IN THE SOUTH EAST DISTRICT WITH COUNCILOR WORRELL, COUNCILOR SNYDER, AND MYSELF. WE WILL BE DISCUSSING PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, AND WE WILL ALSO HAVE ENGINEERING THERE TO REPORT AND UPDATE US ON ONGOING PROJECTS. 
          >> 5:30? >> I HAD 5:30. 
          >> ON FACEBOOK WE PUT 6:00. OKAY. WE CAN HAVE IT AT 6:00. 
          >> WE CAN GET THERE EARLY. >> WE WILL OPEN IT AT 6:00. HOW 
          ABOUT THAT? COUNCILOR MINNAAR. >> 126 STREET BRIDGE MIGHT BE CLOSED THERE AS AN FYI TO YOUR CONSTITUENCY. IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO GO, BE AWARE OF THAT. BUT ALSO THAT THE HOUSING COMMISSION -- THE MAYOR'S HOUSING COMMISSION WILL MEET ON THURSDAY AT 9:00 A.M., JULY 10TH, IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN COMING. WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU THERE. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. AND WE WILL BE DOING AS I UNDERSTAND THESE AT-LARGE IN ALL THE DISTRICTS. SO THEY WILL ALL EVENTUALLY HAVE TOWN HALLS. I WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT THAT I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PACERS AND THUNDER. THE WATCH PARTIES IN MIDTOWN WERE SUCH A PERFECT EXAMPLE KIND OF USING PUBLIC SPACES TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER . THEY WERE REALLY WELL ATTENDED. AND OF COURSE OBVIOUSLY CARMEL FEST WAS ALSO MUST WEEK. WATCH PARTIES WERE AN EXTRA SPECIAL -- WHEN THE YEAR STARTED UNEXPECTED THING TO KIND OF BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND THEY WERE VERY WELCOME. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO OTHER REPORTS. MONTHLY REPORT FROM THE CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. DIRECTOR? SORRY. SO, MOVING ON. 
          [8. CONSENT AGENDA]
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SORRY. MOVING ON FOR THE AGENDA. WE HAVE CONSENT AGENDA. APPROVAL OF MINUTES. REGULAR JUNE 16TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING. PAYROLL IN THE AMOUNT OF $4,138,919.43. CLAIMS THE AMOUNT OF $4,218,181.19. AND RETIREMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF 126 308 AND SIX 
          CENTS. DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL DO A VOICE VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          >> -- >> 
          >> THANK YOU. SO THAT PASSES. NEXT UP IS ACTION ON MAYORAL VETOES. THANK YOU. I SAW -- DIRECTOR WAS GRABBING HIS LAPTOP AND MOVING UP AND HE THREW ME OFF THINKING I WAS -- YOU KNOW, 
          [10.a. Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee]
GETTING IN THERE. I WILL BLAME HIM. COMMITTEE REPORTS. WE HAVE FINANCED UTILITIES AND RULES COMMITTEE. COUNCILOR TAYLOR. 
          [10.b. Land Use and Special Studies Committee]
          >> WE HAVE NO ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA BESIDES ONE. WE DID NOT 
          MEET SINCE LAST WEEK. >> LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES 
          COMMITTEE. COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> THANK YOU. WE HAD A SPECIAL MEETING TODAY AT 5:00. THE PUD ON THE WEST SIDE OF CARMEL OFF MICHIGAN ROAD. CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH A SPLIT VOTE . 
          RECOMMENDATION. THAT HAS BEEN SENT BACK TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE. NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY -- THIS COMING WEDNESDAY AT 5:30 AT THE LIBRARY. I CANNOT MAKE IT. SO IT WILL BE THE LADIES OF THE COUNCIL RUNNING THAT MEETING IT ON THE AGENDA WILL CONTINUE TO BE PUD. I BELIEVE WE ARE 
          [11.a. Carmel Redevelopment Commission (Monthly)]
STARTING TO GET INTO OVERLAY DISTRICTS STARTING WITH RIDGELAND ROAD. THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. NOW DIRECTOR. VERY 
          EXCITED TO SPEAK TO US. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I HAVE TWO THINGS TODAY. ONE IS OUR STANDARD REPORT WITH PICTURES. 
          THE OTHER IS A REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE OF PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL OF THE ANNUAL MANAGEMENT REPORT. FOR ANYONE WATCHING EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS. SO CARMEL HAS LOTS OF TAX INCREMENT FINANCE AREAS. THESE ARE ALLOCATION AREAS THAT CAPTURE TIF THAT PAYBACK TOWARD PROJECTS. IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, EVERY DIFFERENT CARRIED -- COLORED AREA IS A DIFFERENT TIF AREA THAT RECEIVES TAXES THAT GET PAID INTO THAT AREA. STAFF RECEIVES THOSE FUNDS FROM THE COUNTY TWICE A YEAR AS THEY GET PAID. AND THEN THOSE FUNDS GET ALLOCATED TO A NUMBER OF BONDS . AND STATE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT ACTIVITY TO BE PUT IN A REPORT ONCE A YEAR AND UPLOADED WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF GOVERNMENTAL FINANCE . SO THIS REPORT THAT I'M SHOWING YOU NOW IS PUBLIC AND HAS BEEN UPLOADED TO THE STATE. SO IF YOU REMEMBER, I CAME AND PRESENTED THIS IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR. WENT PRETTY QUICK. BASICALLY THE TIF MANAGEMENT REPORT IS EACH OF THOSE AREAS THAT WERE JUST DIFFERENT COLORS ON THAT MAP THAT I SHOWED ARE THEIR OWN AREAS AS IDENTIFIED HERE ON THE LEFT THAT YOU HAVE HERE HOW MUCH MONEY, HOW MUCH TIF DOLLARS FLOWS INTO A EACH ONE OF THOSE AREAS. FOR ANYONE LISTENING, THIS REPORT HAS BEEN UPLOADED TO THE STATE AND BEEN SHARED WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS. WE HAVE A SUMMARY OF EACH OF THOSE TIF AREAS, SO THAT LETS YOU KNOW WHEN THEY WERE ESTABLISHED , WHAT KIND OF TIF AREA THEY ARE, WHEN THEY EXPIRE . THAT IS PART OF THIS REPORT. SOME INFORMATION ON THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, INCLUDING MEMBERS. SOME INFORMATION ABOUT EXPENSES OF THE COMMISSION . IF IT IS ON THIS REPORT, IT MEANS THAT GOD APPROVED IN A PUBLIC CRC MEETING THE PREVIOUS YEAR, BUT THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY . A BUNCH OF THIS IS DEBT SERVICE RELATED TO BONDS. AND AFTER THAT , -- AFTER THOSE 11 PAGES, THERE'S ABOUT 120 PAGES TRACKING EACH INDIVIDUAL AREA AND LITERALLY DOLLAR BY DOLLAR HOW MUCH TIF FLOWS IN. WE ARE VERY LUCKY THAT WE HAVE MIKE THE DIRECTOR OF THE FINANCE DIRECTOR OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION THAT IS ON STAFF . OTHER CITIES HAVE TO FARM THIS OUT ENTIRELY TO A FIRM 
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LIKE BAKER TILLY. HAVING SOMEONE ON STAFF THAT KNOWS HOW TO DOUBLE CHECK THIS AND PUTS A LOT OF THIS TOGETHER SAVES US TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. SO THAT IS THE TIF REPORT AND WE HAVE MET OUR STATE REQUIREMENT. 2025 PROJECTS . IT'S ALWAYS NICE THAT WE START THIS PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION WITH SOME CITY CENTER BUILDINGS BECAUSE THE MAYOR JUST MENTIONED STEVE GETTING THE 2025 CARMEL ARCHITECTURE AWARD. THERE HE IS IN THE MIDDLE NEXT TO THE MAYOR GETTING AN AWARD . RECOGNIZING HIS ACHIEVEMENT . MAYOR MENTIONED A NUMBER OF HIS ACHIEVEMENTS . A PICTURE SPEAKS 1000 WORDS. SO THIS IS WHAT CITY OF CARMEL USED TO LOOK LIKE BEFORE STEVE GOT HERE. AND THIS IS WHAT STEVE DREW AS HIS VISION OF CITY CENTER FLANKING THE JAMES AND TARKINGTON BUILDING AND THE PALLADIUM. THIS IS CITY CENTER AS WE KNOW IT TODAY. STEVE'S VISION FOR ARCHITECTURE BROUGHT TO LIFE 20 YEARS LATER. NOT A BETTER WAY TO EXPLAIN WHY HE DESERVES THIS AWARD. VERY NICE TO RECOGNIZE HIM LAST WEEK. 
          ALL RIGHT. THIS IS EXCITING TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE CRANES IN THE AIR, SO WE ARE GOING TO CELEBRATE THOSE CRANES. THEY DON'T COME OFTEN. THEY COME ONCE EVERY THREE OR FOUR YEARS. 
          WHEN THEY ARE HERE -- IT IS LIKE THE CICADAS. WE'RE GOING TO CELEBRATE THEM. FORGIVE ME FOR THAT. SO THERE IS A CRANE RISING UP . THAT PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD QUICKLY. THAT IS EXCITING STUFF. MAGNOLIA CONTINUES TO ADD FOR SALE UNIT . 
          WHAT I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT IMAGE THERE IS THE CRANE THAT IS TODAY NEXT TO THOSE CONDOS AS WE ARE GETTING THOSE CONDOS BUILT. LAST MONTH I PRESENTED HERE ON HAMILTON CROSSING AND I FAILED TO SHOW WHAT AN IMAGE OF THE NEW AROUND THE GARAGE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IF YOU REMEMBER WE DISCUSSED THAT. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR MY FAILURE THERE LAST MONTH. 
          THIS IS THE IMAGERY THAT GOT APPROVED CRC ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE PUBLIC MEETING AND IN FRONT OF THE HEARING OFFICER AS PART OF THE ADL S PROJECT PROCESS. SO WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT NOW THIS GARAGE -- THE SIDE OF IT FACING WEST THAT FACES THE HEADQUARTERS -- THAT IS THIS RENDERING RIGHT HERE. SO IT IS ABOUT 84 ADDITIONAL HOTEL ROOMS. BUT THEY ARE ONLY FOR RESIDENTS -- OR THEY ARE ONLY FOR USERS AND GUESTS OF REPUBLIC AIRWAYS. 
          SO 84 ADDITIONAL GUEST ROOMS WITH FIRST FLOOR RETAIL . THIS IS THE SIDE FACING NORTH. SO THERE IS A FUTURE PHASE HERE WITH THE PUBLIC PLAZA INVOLVED, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE THAT IS GOING TO OVERLOOK THE PUBLIC PLAZA. I APPRECIATE THAT REPUBLIC GAVE SOME MORE ARCHITECTURE HERE. 
          OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE PEN SIDE OF IT. AND THEY HAVE GIVEN US WHAT I THINK IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL FACADE TO REPLACE WHAT IS THERE NOW, WHICH IS JUST AN OPEN GARAGE. THAT IS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I DO WANT TO THANK BOTH THE STEWART FAMILY AND TONY, THE FUTURE DEVELOPER OF THE THREE BUILDING. THEY DEMOLISHED THESE THREE HOUSES JUST IN TIME FOR CARMEL FEST. IT LOOKS MUCH BETTER. MUCH BETTER. PROGRESS GOING ON AT ICON ON MAIN. AT&T SITE . AND PLAZA. THERE IS ANOTHER CRANE. LOOK GOOD. 
          FINALLY , I JUST WANT TO -- IF YOU HAPPEN TO DRIVE BY THE LIBRARY , AS OF TODAY, THE NEWEST ROUNDABOUT ART IS UP. FOR ANYONE ASKING THE QUESTION , THIS ART WAS ORIGINALLY COMMISSIONED IN 2023 AND PURCHASED IN 2023. IT JUST TAKES TIME FOR IT TO BE DESIGNED, FABRICATED, AND INSTALLED. SO THAT HAS HAPPENED NOW. THIS IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL -- THIS IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY ON MAIN STREET. I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT ON FRIDAY, JULY 11, AT 10:00, THERE IS GOING TO BE A CELEBRATION OF THIS ART. AND THE ARTIST, WHO IS A WORLD-RENOWNED ARTIST OF STUDIO CASEY A , IS GOING TO BE AT THIS EVENT ALONG WITH THE MAYOR. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CELEBRATE ART AND THE TEAMWORK OF DIFFERENT TAXING DISTRICTS . THE CRC IN THE LIBRARY ALL GET TO CELEBRATE THIS BEAUTIFUL WELCOME TO OUR ARTS DISTRICT AND OUR EDUCATIONAL DISTRICT THERE AT THAT ROUNDABOUT. 
          >> YOU HAD -- PEOPLE WERE ASKED ABOUT THIS, BUT CARMEL STUDENTS 
          WERE INVOLVED IN THIS ? >> SO THERE ARE TWO PIECES OF ART. ONE IS A HEAD WITH HAIR -- STRANDS OF HAIR THAT IS AT THE LEXINGTON ROUNDABOUT JUST EAST OF THIS. THAT IS THE ONE WHERE THE STUDENTS DREW AND PROVIDED OTHER INSPIRATION FOR THE STRANDS OF HAIR THAT THE ARTIST INCORPORATED. THIS WAS SOMETHING 
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THAT WAS A COMPETITION RELATED TO OBVIOUSLY AROUND ABOUT THAT WOULD FIT IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY. SO THIS WAS A SUBMISSION SELECTED AS PART OF A PUBLIC PROCESS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS. SO THIS ONE DID NOT HAVE STUDENT INVOLVEMENT. WHAT IT DID HAVE WAS THE ARTIST PRESENTATIONS AT THE LIBRARY IN FRONT OF GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT INCLUDED STUDENTS. BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE THE LEVEL OF INTERACTION THE MAYOR MADE SURE HAPPENED AT THE SCHOOL ROUNDABOUT. SO WE EXPECT THIS TO BE POWERED IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. CLOSED AT NIGHTTIME. THAT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ON FRIDAY, JULY 11TH, COME OUT AND CELEBRATE . AND IF IT RAINS, WE GET TO GO INSIDE THE LIBRARY AND CELEBRATE. SO ALL WEATHER EVENT. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE. 
          >> QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. FIRST OF ALL , YOUR COMMENTS ON PROSCENIUM THREE AND THINGS BEING TORN DOWN. I AGREE IT LOOKS NICE. A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF CITY HALL. ON THE ROUNDABOUT ART . I LOVE IT. MY QUESTION IS, DOES IT SATISFY -- WE HAVE HIDDEN BEHIND SAFETY FACTOR ON ROUNDABOUT DESIGN WITH THE ART -- OBSTRUCT VIEW. THIS OBSTRUCTS NO VIEW. I'M CURIOUS FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, DOES THIS MEET THE SAFETY CRITERIA FOR CENTER OF ROUNDABOUT OR IS THIS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL IN THE FUTURE? 
          >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WANTED TO SHOW THE LATEST PICTURE IN THE LATEST PICTURE IS OF A HALF DONE PROJECT. SO THERE IS CRC AND ENGINEERING HAVE BEEN TEAM WORKING ON A SEAT WALL THAT IS ALREADY CONTRACTED FOR THAT IS GOING TO GET OLD AS PART OF THIS. AND THEN LANDSCAPING IS GOING TO COME IN. WE ARE DOING IS ONE STEP AT A TIME , BUT BRAD HAS BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THIS. 
          AND IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE THIS. THERE'S GOING TO BE A SEAT WALL THAT ELEVATES EVERYTHING SO NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE CONCRETE BASES THERE. THAT'S GOING TO BE HIDDEN BEHIND THE BEAUTIFUL FACADE. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE 
          LANDSCAPING. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNCILOR MINNAAR AND THEN COUNCILOR GREEN. 
          >> THANK YOU. SO THE ROUNDABOUT. A LITTLE OFF TOPIC . THE ROUNDABOUT WHERE THE -- IS LOCATED. WHAT IS IT CALLED? 
          >> MORNING SUN IS CORRECT. YES. >> CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE. I WON'T. THAT HAS THE SAME LOOK. WHEN IS THAT GOING TO BE BEAUTIFIED? IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THIS. THE BOTTOM OF THE 
          BASE. >> I THINK MORNING SUN IS INTENDED TO SIT ON A BASE LIKE THAT BASED ON WHAT KIND OF ART 
          THAT IS. BRAD PEASE, EVERYONE. >> THERE IS LANDSCAPING INTENDED FOR THAT. I THINK THERE'S SEASONAL ISSUES THAT RELATED. 
          >> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION , COUNCILOR GREEN? 
          >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THANKS FOR THE REPORT. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> COUNCILOR, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ASK ? OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE 
          SURE. >> NO. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. IF THAT IS ALL -- >> I HAD A MEETING THIS MORNING WITH BOB SWEENEY , THE DIRECTOR. HE HAD A COUPLE GREAT IDEAS. DO THAT OFF-LINE. ONE OF THE THINGS HE DID HAVE -- TALKING ABOUT ALL THE ISSUES HE IS GOING TO BE FACING WITH THE STATE SENATE BILL . WAS MAYBE TO HAVE SINCE APPARENTLY MANY OF OUR LEGISLATORS DON'T HAVE A CONCEPT OF WHAT LIBRARIES ARE OR WHAT THEY DO. PERHAPS HAVING A SAFE LAWMAKER SUMMIT HERE . AND THIS IS JUST A NICE ADDITION . SHOW OFF WHAT A LIBRARY AND WHAT A FOCAL POINT OF THE COMMUNITY IT CAN BE. 
          >> IN CASE ANYONE ASKS, THE FUNDING FOR THIS CAME FROM COMMERCIAL TAXES TIF AREAS NOT INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS. 
          [12.a. Tenth Reading of Ordinance D-2762-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 8, Article 5, Sections 8-37, 8-47, and 8-48 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor: Councilor Aasen. Remains in the Land Use and Special Studies Committee.]
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO OLD BUSINESS. 10TH READING OF ORDINANCE D 27, 6225 ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA , SECTION 837, 847, 848 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE. THIS REMAINS 
          [12.b. Fourth Reading of Ordinance D-2772-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Adopting a New Article 8 Under Chapter 2 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Aasen, Ayers, Minnaar, Snyder and Worrell. Remains in the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee.]
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IN LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE. FOURTH READING OF ORDINANCE D 27 7225 , ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, ADOPTING A NEW ARTICLE EIGHT UNDER CHAPTER 2 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE SPONSORED AYERS , 
          [12.c. Second Reading of Ordinance Z-697-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana Establishing the US 421-WCD Planned Unit Development District; Sponsor: Councilor Minnaar. Remains in the Land Use and Special Studies Committee. ]
MINNAAR . WE HAVE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE Z, 697-25, AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA ESTABLISHING THE U.S. FOR 21 WCD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT . SPONSOR IS COUNCILOR MINNAAR. THIS RETURNS FROM LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE . COUNCILOR SNYDER, 
          ANYTHING BEFORE WE CALL UP ? >> GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, JOHN. WE WILL -- REPRESENT THE PETITIONER . NATHAN ANDERSON, MIKE NORMAN COUNCIL UP TO SPEED ON WHERE WE WERE SINCE YOUR LAST MEETING. 
          THE COMMITTEE -- LAND-USE COMMITTEE MET LAST MONTH ON THE 18TH. MET EARLIER TODAY AS INDICATED THE MATTER COMES TO THE FULL COUNCIL IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL . 
          THAT COMMITTEE WERE DISCUSSED AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING IS A COMMITMENT ON BEHALF OF EDWARD ROSE. ONE IS WITH REGARD TO COMMITMENTS WITH REGARD TO PROHIBITION AGAINST SEEKING TAX AND INCREMENT FINANCING WHETHER THAT BE THROUGH THE CITY OF CARMEL OR THREE HAMILTON COUNTY . THE SECOND IS WITH REGARD TO PROHIBITION OF DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE ON THE REAL ESTATE INAUDIBLE ] COMMERCIAL COMPONENT ALONG MICHIGAN ROAD. WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE AND BE GLAD TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AT THE CONCLUSION OF DISCUSSION THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDER ADOPTION . 
          >> THIS DOES RETURN FROM THE LAND-USE AND SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON A 3-1 VOTE . 
          OPEN IT UP FOR ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER AND , COUNCILOR WORRELL -- RAISING HAN SYMBOL. PRESS UNMUTE IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TOO. ANYONE LIKE TO START OFF? IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEBATE, WE CAN HAVE A MOTION. 
          >> I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHILE THIS MAY NOT SATISFY THE DESIRES OF EVERYBODY , WHAT THIS DOES DO IS PUT JUST UNDER $2.2 MILLION INTO THE PARKS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR. AND FOR ALL THE PERCEIVED DOWNSIDES -- ISSUES I MAY HAVE WITH THE PROJECT PERSONALLY, I CANNOT OVERCOME THE $2.2 MILLION GOING TO OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT . IT IS THE GREATEST PARKS DEPARTMENT IN THE WORLD AND WILL ONLY STAY THAT 
          WAY IF WE CONTINUE TO FUND IT . >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SNYDER. 
          COUNCILOR MINNAAR. >> YES. AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID SPEND AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME WORKING ON THIS PROJECT WITH THE PETITIONER , AND SOME OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO NOTE. FOR ME, AS THAT REPRESENTATIVE , I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS THE REVITALIZATION PROJECT IN AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN UNDERUTILIZED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. ALSO ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALSO THE MICHIGAN OVERLAY DISTRICT . IT HAS THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AS WELL . THEY MAINTAINED A LOT OF THE GREEN SPACE THAT WAS POSSIBLY GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED. APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT IT IS A DEVELOPER -- ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS I ASKED WHEN I MET WITH THE DEVELOPER WAS, HOW MANY PROPERTIES HAVE YOU SOLD IN YOUR CAREER? AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, EDWARD ROSE HAS ONLY SOLD ONE BUILDING -- 1988. AM I CORRECT? YEAH. 1988 . SO THEY ARE CARMEL RESIDENTS. THEY ARE CARMEL LOCATED. AND IT DID FOLLOW THE OVERLAY PRINCIPLES AS WELL. SO WITH THAT, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IS WHY I FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING YES ON THIS PROJECT. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILOR JOSHI . 
          >> IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WEST DISTRICT , I HAVE TALKED TO NOT ONLY ACES, WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER . PERSONALLY I HAVE TALKED 
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TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ALL SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THE WESTSIDE. OH, IS THAT CARMEL? WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS CARMEL. 
          WE THOUGHT THAT WAS INDIANAPOLIS. WE THOUGHT IT WAS LINES WILL. WE THOUGHT IT WAS ANYTHING BUT CARMEL. AND IT IS BECAUSE IT HAS NOT HAD DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA THAT IS FITTING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT CARMEL IS ACCUSTOMED TO . EDWARD ROSE'S DEVELOPMENT I BELIEVE FITS THAT STYLE. THEY HAVE ALSO GIVEN COMMITMENTS TO ENSURE THAT RETAIL IN FRONT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL BE NOT DRIVE-THROUGH AS THEY SAID. THAT HAS BEEN PROHIBITED IN THEIR SUBMISSION. AND THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR MORE HIGH-END RETAIL RESTAURANTS. OTHER THINGS ON THE WESTSIDE THAT NEIGHBORS CAN ENJOY . AND STARTING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER AND THE LOOK OF AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN SEVERELY NEGLECTED. I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THIS WITH A DEVELOPER THAT IS COMMITTED TO CARMEL AND THAT HAS HELD ONTO ITS PROPERTIES AS YOU HAVE HEARD. OBVIOUSLY THE PARKS FEES ARE IMPORTANT TO ME. I THINK I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A SUPPORTER OF CARMEL PARKS AND THINK THAT WE NEED THOSE FEES. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM USED ON THE WESTSIDE . AND I KNOW DIRECTOR IS SITTING OUT THERE AND LISTENING TO ME. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE USED TO BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS OF THE WESTSIDE DISTRICT . SO THOSE WERE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS PROJECT. AS AN ASIDE, I HAD A SLIGHTLY FUN CONVERSATION ABOUT ROUNDABOUT ART AND THE LOVELY GLOBE THAT SITS IN FRONT OF THE RCI BUILDING AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT DONATED TO THE CITY AND HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLY PART OF THIS PROJECT . WE COULD COUNT ON YOU GIVING THAT TO US. WE DO NOT ALSO HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON ANOTHER PIECE OF ROUNDABOUT ART. 
          >> I'M SORRY. I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT IN MY -- 
          >> 
          >> FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE IN THE LAND-USE MEETING, I APOLOGIZE YOU HAVE TO HEAR THIS AGAIN. REGARDLESS OF HOW THIS VOTE GOES, WE HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT BECAUSE NOBODY CAN SAY ANY LONGER THAT THIS PART OF CARMEL IS NOW -- NOT ON OUR RADAR. AND WHAT I AM HOPING IS DOCS AND ENGINEERING -- WE CAN ACTUALLY DO A STUDY THAT HELPS PLAN OUT WHAT THIS AREA NEEDS TO BE NOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE REAL HUMAN BEINGS LIVING ON SITE IF IT GETS APPROVED. FOR SO LONG , OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED THIS -- NOBODY EVEN KNEW THIS WAS CARMEL. NOW WE DO. I THINK IT IS A GLOBAL CONVERSATION BETWEEN US . WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE HERE, WHAT WORKS ? AND IF THIS GOES THROUGH, AS I HAVE SAID, I APOLOGIZE . ALL EYES ON THEM. BUT PRIMARILY MICHIGAN ROAD HAS BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION MY ENTIRE LIFE. 42 YEARS I HAVE LIVED IN CARMEL. I WAS BORN HERE. IT IS A NIGHT THERE. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE -- THERE'S TWO MORE STOPLIGHTS BEING ADDED UP THERE. THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED ON 146 STREET. 31. 
          MERIDIAN STREET. SO INSTEAD OF GETTING DEEPER INTO THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STUDY HOPING THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY SINCE THERE ARE THREE CITIES, THREE TOWNSHIPS , AND THREE COUNTIES THAT ALL CONVERGE IN THIS AREA. I CANNOT THINK OF A BETTER USE OF FUNDS TO SPUR THIS. FOR POTENTIAL ] LIKE WE DID ON KEYSTONE. I DON'T THINK THERE HAS BEEN ONE DONE SINCE. BUT IF THIS IS GOING TO BE CARMEL , THEN THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO FEEL LIKE IT IS CARMEL AS WELL. SO I WILL BE ASKING -- NOT ASKING FORMALLY TONIGHT, BUT I WILL BE ASKING COUNCIL APPROPRIATES MONEY TO DO A STUDY BOTH FOR THE TRAFFIC AND FOR THE AREA AS A WHOLE, WHETHER THIS PROJECT GOES THROUGH OR NOT , SO WE CAN REALLY HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS IS. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> COUNCILOR TAYLOR? 
          >> FIRST, I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT I AGREE. EDWARD ROSE IS A GREAT DEVELOPER. THEY MAINTAIN THEIR DEVELOPMENTS. 
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ALEXANDRIA APARTMENTS I THINK IS NOW APPROACHING 20-YEAR-OLD APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT AND STILL ONE OF THE NOTICE DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT EDWARD ROSE. 
          MY POSITION IS ABOUT A LAND-USE ISSUE. TO STATE THAT HUNDREDS OF EMPLOYEES WHO WORK IN THIS PARK DO NOT DESERVE TO BE IN CARMEL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE EDWARD ROSE PROJECT TO ME IS ELITIST. LET ME WORK THROUGH EYES ON ZONING THAT IS -- THAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED . I ONE ZONING THAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE ARE MISSING OUT ON VERY HIGH PAYING JOBS THAT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO LOCATE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY OF CARMEL. FOR FISHERS. $305 MILLION DEVELOPMENT . $531 A SQUARE FOOT. BIOTHERAPEUTICS. 
          $125 MILLION DEVELOPMENT. 1136 PER SQUARE FOOT COST. PHARMA. 
          $125 MILLION DEVELOPMENT PAID $1125 A SQUARE FOOT. TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. THIS IS 3% ASSESSED VALUE PROPERTY THAT WOULD RAISE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PROPERTY TAXES THAN THIS DEVELOPMENT. $40 MILLION. $533 A SQUARE FOOT. MEDICAL. $20 MILLION. $667 A SQUARE FOOT. THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES ON AVERAGE BRING JOBS PAYING 196 $383 A YEAR. THIS IS FROM CUSHMAN AND WAKEFIELD, AN EXPERT IN THIS THAT HAS HELPED OTHER COMMUNITIES ATTRACT THESE TYPES OF JOBS. WE HAVE NOT FOCUSED ON THIS AREA TO TRY TO ATTRACT TRADITIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AS AN AT-LARGE CITY COUNCILOR, I HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT NOT JUST WHAT IS BEST FOR ONE DISTRICT BUT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY OVERALL, AND TO ME , THAT IT IS DIVERSIFYING OUR TAX BASE, DIVERSIFYING OUR EMPLOYER BASE. WE HAVE PLENTY OF APARTMENTS. IN THIS CORRIDOR ALONE, THIS WILL MEAN THAT NOW THERE IS 1000 NEW APARTMENT UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE MICHIGAN STREET CORRIDOR WITH NO PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE INDIANA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN THIS CORRIDOR. 
          THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED IN WHAT IS CALLED A COUNTY TIF ALLOCATION AREA. THE CITY OF CARMEL WILL RECEIVE ZERO TAX DOLLARS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS . BY THE TIME THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES COME ON OUR TAX ROLLS BASED ON ACT I, 33.4% OF THAT ASSESSED VALUE WILL BE DISCOUNTED, MEANING THAT WE DO NOT GET TO APPLY OUR TAX RATE TO 33.4% OF THE ASSESSED VALUE ON THAT PROPERTY. THOSE ARE DEDUCTIONS TO THE ASSESSED VALUE. 3% TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUE DOES NOT HAVE THOSE DEDUCTIONS, SUCH AS THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT I HAVE LISTED THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN FISHERS AND NOBLESVILLE. THE HOUSING TASK FORCE , WHICH HOPEFULLY THEY WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE -- PROVIDED RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE ADOPTED DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY FOR NEW APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT. THIS DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY FOR APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT WILL EMPHASIZE A NEW APARTMENT BUILDING AND SHOULD SERVE PRIMARILY AS COMPLEMENTARY PART OF MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WHEREVER POSSIBLE. THIS IS 365 UNITS BEING ADDED NEXT TO AN INDUSTRIAL PARK , MUCH OF WHICH IS NOT EVEN INCLUDED IN THE CITY OF CARMEL AND WILL REMAIN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK. WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO REDEVELOP OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY BORDERS . 
          AND THE TOWN OF ZIONSVILLE HAS ACTUALLY LEANED INTO LIFE SCIENCE AND HIGH-TECH MANUFACTURING DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR CREEKSIDE AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF BRINGING HIGH-PAYING JOBS AND BRING 3% ASSESSED VALUE. WE'VE HAD SOME COUNCILORS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE GRAMERCY PROJECT AS AN APARTMENT ONLY PROJECT. THAT BROUGHT MANY NEW TOWNHOMES AND MANY FOR SALE PROJECTS. I SUPPORTED THAT PROJECT AND MOST IMPORTANTLY BECAUSE IT BROUGHT 100 NEW SENIOR LIVING UNITS TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO WE ARE NOW REPLACING AN INTERNATIONAL HEADQUARTERS WITH 365 NEW MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INDUSTRIAL PARK . AND AGAIN, PORTIONS OF WHICH WE CANNOT AFFECT IN FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT IS NOT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT. I WILL BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF POSSIBLE OTHER PROJECTS BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT BY EDWARD ROSE AND OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THIS IS NOT ABOUT EDWARD ROSE. THIS IS ABOUT A LAND-USE ISSUE. 
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THIS IS ABOUT A PROPERTY TAX REVENUE ISSUE. THIS IS ABOUT STRAIN ON U.S. 421 WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS BEING ADDED THERE FOR WHICH WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT . IT IS A STATE-CONTROLLED STREET. AND FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, THAT IS WHY I WILL BE NOT SUPPORTING AND VOTING AGAINST THIS PROJECT. 
          >> AND THE OTHER COUNCILORS COMMENTS? 
          >> MR. CHAIRMAN? >> WHAT TO DO COUNCILOR WORRELL 
          WHILE HE IS ON THEIR . >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCILOR TAYLOR, I THINK YOU ARE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I HAVE WITH THE VOTE TONIGHT AND HOW THIS HAS ALL GONE. FIRST OF ALL I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PETITIONER, THE RESIDENTS, THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA , AND YOU, MY COLLEAGUES, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION, AND IT HAS BEEN FRUITFUL TO GET US TO THIS POINT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE LACK OF A PLAN. A STRATEGY . YOU KNOW, COUNCILOR TAYLOR WHIPS OFF MULTIPLE STATISTICS, ET CETERA. 
          WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM WHO HAS BEEN ABSENT ON THIS PROJECT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I HAVE RECEIVED NO DIRECTION, NO ABILITY TO SAY WHAT IS POSSIBLE. ALL I CAN DO IS LOOK AT HISTORY . AND THAT IS THE FACT THAT IN THAT AREA SURROUNDING THIS INDUSTRIAL -- INDUSTRIALLY ZONED AREA, THERE ARE MULTIPLE NEW BUSINESSES AS COUNCILOR TAYLOR JUST ALLUDED TO THAT ARE POPPING UP AND DOING WELL, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE RUNNING FOR ANYTHING. AND SO I AM LEFT WITH, OKAY, WHY IS THAT? ARE THE SITES TOO SMALL, DO WE NOT HAVE THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE? DO WE NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS IN PLACE TO RECOGNIZE MAYBE WHAT ZIONSVILLE IS DOING? IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE ? BECAUSE NOTHING HAS HAPPENED IN THAT AREA . SO INSTEAD, IF WE ARE GOING TO OPERATE IN A VACUUM WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE A SOLID PLAN OR VISION THAT IS PUT FORTH BY OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM, THEN I AM LEFT TO DEAL WITH THE REALITY AND THE PRAGMATIC FACTS THAT EXIST IN THAT AREA. AND WE HAVE -- I WILL JUST SPEAK TO GRAMERCY AS A CONTEXT. GRAMERCY HAD TIF INCENTIVES , AND THE TAXPAYERS ARE STILL PAYING FOR MUCH OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS CASE IN AN AREA OF 421 THAT ADMITTEDLY HAS BEEN POORLY SERVED AND NO FOCUS GIVEN TO IT -- THIS PETITIONER IS NOT ASKING FOR ANY TIF REVENUE OR ANY INCENTIVES . THERE IS A BUSINESS ON THE SITE WHO WE JUST GAVE AN ABATEMENT TO BECAUSE THEY HAVE -- THEY ARE OPERATING IN AN AREA ALL BY THEMSELVES, AND THEY HAD OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, OTHER POTENTIAL SITES WITHIN THEIR OWN NETWORK TO EXPAND . WE GIVE THEM AN ABATEMENT. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THEY FELT LIKE THIS WAS A POSSIBILITY COMING TO PROVIDE MORE AMENITIES AND HOUSING AND JUST SUPPORT TO THAT AREA FOR THEIR BUSINESS. THEY DECIDED TO STAY AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE -- WELL, EXPAND -- BUT CONTINUE TO BE A GOOD CARAMEL BUSINESS. SO I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS. AND, FRANKLY, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT HOPE -- HOPING THAT WE WILL HAVE FORKLIFTS INSTEAD OF SERVICES IS A REALISTIC PLAN. AND SO THEREFORE , I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SIDE ON THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE A BUSINESS WHO NEEDS HELP , ONCE HELP, ONCE SERVICES . THE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT FOR TENANTS IS CHANGING, AND I SEE THIS AS A WAY TO DO IT WITHOUT ANY HARM TO THE TAXPAYER. I'M WIDE OPEN TO A STUDY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE EFFORT ON THE PART OF OUR PAID PROFESSIONALS TO SET UP A PLAN AND GUIDE THESE DISCUSSIONS 
          IN THE FUTURE. >> THANK YOU. I KNOW COUNCILOR HAS COMMENTS. BEFORE THAT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ? I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO STAND THERE THE WHOLE TIME. I AM WORRYING TOO MUCH. COUNCILOR AYERS ? 
          >> JUST A QUICK COMMENT. MY CONCERN IS PUBLIC SAFETY TOO. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT HERE GOING FORWARD WITH 360 PERMITS WOULD EQUAL ROUGHLY 500 -- 540, 
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550 NEW PEOPLE THAT , YES, WILL LIVE THERE, BUT THERE ARE EXISTING PEOPLE THAT DO WORK THERE. SO I THINK PUBLIC SAFETY SHOULD BE A CONCERN. AND ALSO U.S. 421 SHOULD BE A PRIORITY TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF SOLUTION BEFORE WE PUT APARTMENTS IN THAT AREA . AND AS RICH AND COUNCILOR TAYLOR SAID, THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH EDWARD ROSE . YOU GUYS DO DEVELOP BEAUTIFUL PROJECTS . BUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND TRANSPORTATION 
          IS A BIT OF CONCERN FOR ME. >> COUNCILOR TAYLOR, THEN 
          COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> JUST HAD A FOLLOW-UP TO COUNCILOR WORRELL'S COMMENT. I SPOKE WITH ONE OF THE TOP BROKERS AT CUSHMAN WAKEFIELD REGARDING THE INDIANAPOLIS LIFE SCIENCE MARKET . THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DEMAND FOR CENTRAL INDIANA THAT CARMEL HAS ALREADY CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES LIKE THIS WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. AT THIS SITE , I CONTACTED CUSHMAN WAKEFIELD -- THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SPECIALIZES IN -- BELIEVES THAT THERE WOULD BE DEMAND WITHOUT A LOT OF WORK FOR A 250,000 SQUARE-FOOT FACILITY THAT WOULD ACHIEVE A VALUE -- CONSTRUCTION VALUE AT $500 A SQUARE FOOT OF $125 MILLION PROJECT AT THIS SITE WITH AN AVERAGE SALARY PAYING $196,000 A YEAR. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS NOT FOCUSED ON THIS AREA, BUT TO ME THIS IS A TRIGGER TO SAVE THIS TYPE OF USE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE REALLY THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR THIS TYPE OF USE. AND WE KNOW THE DEMAND IS OUT THERE. I CAN FORWARD SOME OF THIS INFORMATION TO SOME OF YOU . AND HOPEFULLY YOU WILL CONSIDER IT. 
          >> SNYDER AND THEN COUNCILOR GREEN. 
          >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A FEW POINTS. 
          >> I KNOW YOU DID NOT MEAN IT -- SOUND LIKE IT WAS ELITIST. WHEN I SAID NEEDS TO BE TREATED LIKE CARMEL, I'M NOT REFERRING TO THE BUILDING, BUT IT DOES NEED TO HAVE PROPER ROADS, SEWERS, STORMWATER RETENTION. THAT IS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO INAUDIBLE ] CARMEL. SECOND , I THINK COUNCILOR MINNAAR SAID IT CONFORMED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . IT DOES NOT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR. THE ROAD CONNECTION IS BEING ELIMINATED DOES NOT. YOU CAN MASSAGE IT AND SAY THAT IT SORT OF , KIND OF FEELS LIKE IT DOES . NOT HAVING THAT ROAD CONNECTION IS NOT THROUGH SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES. ASKING THEM WHAT THEIR GENERAL THOUGHTS WERE. I MET WITH THE MANAGER AT THE HOME DEPOT. THE GENERAL MANAGER AT THE HOME DEPOT. AND I SAID, HEY, THEY ARE LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT NOW WE ARE CROSSING 31 . AND I THOUGHT HIS RESPONSE WAS INTERESTING. HE SAID AT OUR NATIONAL SUMMITS , THIS PARTICULAR STORE HAS MORE POLICE PRESENCE THAN ANY OTHER STORY -- PREVENTATIVE POLICE PRESENCE , NOT REACTIVE -- THAN ANY OTHER STORE IN THEIR FLEET OF STORES. 
          VERY, VERY COMPLEMENTED OF OF THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH I APPRECIATE. IT IS CROSSING -- ASKING MORE OF THEM TO CROSS THE ROAD. THEY HAVE TO DO THAT NOW ANYWAY . INDUSTRIAL AREA. I APPRECIATE ALL OF COUNCILOR TAYLOR'S OTHER POINTS . HIS MATH PROBABLY WORK. HAVE NEVER DOUBTED HIM BEFORE. I DON'T DOUBT HIM NOW. 
          >> COUNCILOR GREEN. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. A LOT OF GOOD POINTS ON BOTH SIDES. I REALLY LIKE THE PROJECT . YOU KNOW, I THINK IT ADDS A LOT TO THE AREA. IT IS A TIMING ISSUE FOR ME. COUNCILOR WORRELL SAID THERE IS NO STRATEGIC PLAN, 
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AND I THINK THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE. NO STRATEGIC PLAN. I WOULD PROBABLY VOTE DIFFERENT IF MAYOR WAS SITTING THERE IN HIS EIGHTH TERM WITH NO STRATEGIC PLAN AND IGNORING THE WESTSIDE. 
          BUT WE ARE NOT. SUE FINKAM. NEW MAYOR. 18 MONTHS INTO OFFICE. WE HAVE NEW -- SIX NEW COUNCILORS OUT OF NINE. IT SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT TEAM TO FIGURE OUT A STRATEGIC PLAN . LET'S JUST BUILD IT AND WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT LATER, WHICH IS WHAT I'M HEARING. I HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES THAT COUNCILOR AYERS HAS. FIRE, EMS. IT IS GOOD THAT CARMEL POLICE IS THERE. WHO KNOWS? MAYBE SHERIFF OR ZIONSVILLE. POLICE. AND DIRECT WITH NO STRATEGIC PLAN FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. COUNCILOR SNYDER HIGHLIGHTED A LACK OF PUBLIC OR A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR ROADS, SEWAGE, DRAINAGE. INFRASTRUCTURE. LET'S BUILD IT AND WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT LATER, I GUESS. TRANSPORTATION. I KNOW SOME OF YOU DO NOT GO ON MICHIGAN ROAD MUCH. 31 AND 465 IS A MESS, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK IN DOWNTOWN INDIANAPOLIS. GOOGLE SENT ME TO MICHIGAN ROAD OFTEN. I HAD TO STOP BECAUSE THERE WAS A STOP LIGHT . FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T REMEMBER STOPLIGHTS. AND THEN I TURNED WEST . I TURNED SOUTH AND I HEADED DOWN . I'M GLAD COUNCILOR SNYDER TOUCHED ON IT. I WAS GOING TO ASK HIM LATER. IT LOOK LIKE A STOPLIGHT IS GOING IN BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF APARTMENTS GOING IN, AND THEY NEED TO FEED ONTO MICHIGAN ROAD, SO THEY ARE PUTTING A STOPLIGHT ALSO FOR ACROSS THE STREET PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN GET ONTO MICHIGAN ROAD. 
          WITH ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC , THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED ANOTHER STOPLIGHT. I CONTINUED DRIVING. A SECOND STOPLIGHT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING IN. BUT ASIDE FROM THE HYPOTHETICAL STOPLIGHTS, STOPLIGHT ON 116TH, STOPLIGHT ON WEST. STOPLIGHT ON 106. STOP ON RETAIL, STOPPED ON 99TH. I STOPPED ON 96TH. THAT IS WITHOUT 1000 PLUS APARTMENTS GOING IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS. 
          WE ARE VOTING FOR 365 APARTMENTS. BUT WE ALL KNOW THERE'S MORE THAN 1000 PLUS APARTMENTS GOING IN. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE LEANING TOWARD , BUILD IT, WE WILL FIGURE OUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY. WE WILL FIGURE OUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE WILL FIGURE OUT THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE. WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT. YOU KNOW ? IS THAT THE WAY CARMEL NORMALLY DOES STUFF? WE JUST BUILD IT. 
          WE'RE JUST GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT LATER. I THINK THE TIMING IS RIGHT TO COME OUT WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN. PARTNER WITH HAMILTON COUNTY. PARTNER WITH INDIANAPOLIS AND FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT IS SUSTAINABLE THAT IS GOING TO ADD TONS OF VALUE TO THAT AREA. SO THAT IS WHY I AM VOTING AGAINST THIS 
          TONIGHT. >> COUNCILOR LOCKE. 
          >> SURE. AND I WAS JUST WAITING TO KIND OF HEAR THE WORDS TONIGHT TO KIND OF PULL IN MORE INFORMATION. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND I THINK OF IT IN THE IMAGE OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING HERE, I THINK OF THAT CONCEPT . WE'VE GOT A NEW MAYOR AND A NEW ADMINISTRATION. WE'VE GOT NEW COUNCILORS AND WE ARE COMING UP WITH NEW DECISIONS. I SEE THIS PROJECT IN THIS PART OF THE CITY THAT HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN ABOUT AND GLOSSED OVER AND BUILT IN BY OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE, WHETHER IT BE ZIONSVILLE, INDIANAPOLIS -- ALL OF THOSE THINGS KIND OF HIT MY HEAD HERE. 
          THINGS WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT. WHERE HAVE WE GOTTEN TO WHERE WE ARE THROUGH? IT IS NOT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE CREATED THAT ON OUR FIRST MEETING ARBITRARILY BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD THING TO DO. IT MAY BE A GREAT THING TO DO. BUT IT IS NEW. IT IS NOT GIVING US INPUT THAT IS BENEFICIAL IN THE CONCEPT OF GOING AFTER $400 MILLION DEALS THAT MAY TAKE THE AMALGAMATION OF LAND AND PIPING OF WATER FROM WHEREVER. WE DON'T HAVE THE ARCHITECTURE TO CREATE STATE INCENTIVES TO DO THAT. WE DON'T HAVE THE INTERNAL STRUCTURES . WE HAVE NEVER NEEDED TO. PART OF THE BEAUTY OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN CARMEL IS REINVENTED THE CREATION TIF TOOL TO BUILD AN AMAZING CITY ON A BACKBONE THAT IS U.S. 31 THAT IS NOW STARTING TO FALL IN DESTITUTION BECAUSE THAT CORE BUILT ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE PAST IS NOW BECOMING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE WANT WHERE WE HAVE SEEN SUCCESS. WE HAVE SEEN US OVERCOMING THAT OLD GUARD IN NEW CREATIVE WAYS OF CREATING A COMMUNITY WITH A CITY CENTER THAT IS DENSE AND WALKABLE THAT CREATES THE ABILITY OF OUR CITY TO FUND ITSELF AS A RESIDENTIAL 
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COMMUNITY, WHICH IT IS THROUGH AND THROUGH AND WILL BE INTO PERPETUITY AS LONG AS I HAVE A SAY IN IT. MAYBE NOT IN PERPETUITY. BUT WE LIVE HERE. WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO LIVE HERE FOR AS LONG AS WE CAN BECAUSE THINGS ARE BUILDING UP AROUND US IN DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT TO LIVE THERE, BUT IF WE CAN PROTECT THAT, WE WILL BE GOOD TO GO. SO THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS PROJECT -- AND THIS IS MAY BE TO YOUR FINAL POINT THERE, COUNCILOR GREEN. THE STRATEGY THAT GOT US HERE WAS DOCS AND BUILDING OF THE COMMUNITY PIECES THAT MATTER. 
          THE SHAPE OF THE THINGS THAT HELPED BUILD THOSE CORE ELEMENTS THAT CREATED THE ABILITY FOR US TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I LIVE IN THAT I WANT TO PROTECT WITH ALL MY HEART. THIS CORRIDOR SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU DRIVE IT SUCKS. IT IS NOT FUN. I REMEMBER GOING TO JESUIT ACADEMY FOR THE GIFTED WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND TAKING U.S. 31 AND IT HAD A STOPLIGHT AT EVERY SINGLE STOP SIGN, AND IT SUCKED. EXCEPT SOMETIMES YOU WOULD GET STUCK AT A LIGHT AND SOME BUT HE WAS LISTENING TO FREE BIRD IN THE CAR AND IT WAS REALLY FUN. MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ME. BUT WE HAVE SEEN THE CITY CHANGE AND GROW BASED ON THE STRATEGY WE PUT FORWARD AS A CITY. AND IT IS THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT WE DO. AND IT IS OUR PARKS. AGAIN, DOCS. REDEVELOPMENT. IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PART OF THE CITY FOR LONG ENOUGH TO TELL US WHAT WE SHOULD DO THAT PUT A FOUNDATION FOR US TO GROW. 
          AND THE REASON I AM A YES STILL -- YES WHEN I CAME IN AND I ALWAYS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE MY MIND BASED ON INFORMATION THAT COMES MY WAY. AND WILL DO THAT INTO PERPETUITY IS BECAUSE I SEE THE EFFICACY IN DOING SOMETHING TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THIS PART OF OUR CITY . WITHOUT PEOPLE THERE. 
          WITHOUT SOMETHING BUILDING . WE ARE SEEING THAT SAME DESTITUTION HERE. A GIANT MEGA CORPORATION WITH A COOL GLOBE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HOPEFULLY RECONFIGURE INTO A COOL ROUNDABOUT ART. IS MOVING ITS PROCESS OUT OF THIS AREA ALREADY. SO THE CONCEPT THAT WE PLAY A GAME THAT OTHERS ARE PLAYING THAT THEY ARE FIGHTING ABOUT IN OTHER PLACES IN OUR PLACE DOESN'T SEEM THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. PUTTING SOME PEOPLE THERE AND SOME PEOPLE THAT WE CARE ABOUT AND CONNECTIVITY. EVEN IF IT IS APARTMENTS, WHICH I'M NOT SUPER KEEN ON . IT FEELS LIKE IT IS RIGHT HERE BECAUSE OF WHAT IT COULD START TO SPUR AND THE CONCEPT OF PUBLIC SAFETY NOW NEEDS TO LOOK OVER THERE MORE AND WE CAN SAY, HEY, FIRE STATIONS SEVENTH AND EIGHTH , WHICH WE TALK ABOUT AD NAUSEAM AND WE HAVE NOT STARTED BUILDING YET, WHICH IS ANOTHER MEGA FRUSTRATION FOR ME -- MAY NEED TO BE NUMBER NINE AND 10 BECAUSE THAT IS THE PROGRESS WE HAVE PUT FORTH WHEN WE PLAN APPROPRIATELY. SO I DO REMEMBER WHEN THIS FIRST CAME THROUGH AND IT WAS COLD OUTSIDE. DECEMBER. 
          HAD A CONVERSATION AND SAID , WHAT YOU ARE PRESENTING SEEMS REASONABLE. AND THAT IS WHERE I ALWAYS START RESERVING THE RIGHT TO CHANGE MY MIND . IT HAS GOTTEN MORE REASONABLE AND THE MORE I LOOK AT HOW THIS CORRIDOR COULD USE SOME CARMEL ELITIST PROTECTION MENTALITY , WHETHER OR NOT IT IS GOOD OR BAD. BUT TO ENSURE THAT WE BUILD THIS THING RIGHT SO IT IS A BETTER PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE. BETWEEN US AND ANOTHER PLACE THAT IS GOOD FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE. CARMEL. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THIS DOESN'T FIT. AND I ALSO , AGAIN, JUST WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO THE PROCESS THAT GETS US HERE. THE INPUT. THE STRUCTURE. 
          THE IDEA OF BUILDING SOMETHING THAT MATTERS HERE AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT MAY SUCK AND MAYBE THOSE TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE GREAT, BUT IF WE CAN CEDE SOMETHING AND GROW FROM THERE , THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BEST STRATEGIC PLAN WE ARE GOING TO GET MOVING FORWARD. AND I THINK IT IS RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE WAY WE STRATEGICALLY BUILD OUT OUR CITY. SO THAT IS MY 
          TAKE. >> WELL, DESPITE ME BEING A GRADUATE, I CAN COUNT TO FIVE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THIS PROJECT IS GETTING -- PROBABLY GOING TO PASS. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE PROBABLY CALL THIS FOR A VOTE? OKAY. I WILL -- I'M GOING TO MAKE MY FINAL COMMENT BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ACTION ON THIS TONIGHT. EDWARD ROSE HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB BUILDING THIS OUT. THEY ARE A DEVELOPER THAT PUTS IN REALLY GOOD PRODUCTS, CARES ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, DOESN'T JUST BUILD AND SELL OFF . RENOVATES. 
          INVESTS MONEY. AND I ALSO REALLY -- IT TEARS AT ME ABOUT BRINGING IN OVER $2 MILLION FOR OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT IS VERY MUCH NEEDED. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT ALMOST GET ME TO A YES VOTE . AND SO I CANNOT FAULT ANYONE FOR VOTING YES. I'M 
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GOING TO BE A NO VOTE TONIGHT MAINLY BECAUSE , WITH MY WORK ON THE HOUSING TASK FORCE , I TOOK A STAND THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING APARTMENTS GOING FORWARD, WE NEED TO BE DOING IT AS A COMPLEMENTARY PIECE TO MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ENHANCE WALK ABILITY AND ATTRACT WORKERS TO OUR AREA . THIS FEELS LIKE A PROJECT THAT WHILE THE QUALITY MAY BE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST STILL HAVING ATTACHED WALK-UP APARTMENTS -- I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE TERM, GARDEN STYLE , BUT THE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS. IT FEELS LIKE SOMETHING WE COULD HAVE DONE 15 YEARS AGO. AND I THINK WE CAN ASK FOR BETTER NOWADAYS. AND I THINK THAT EDWARD ROSE CAN BE A PARTNER IN SOMETHING THAT WE MAY BE BRING TO THE AREA IN THE FUTURE SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY HOPE. I DIDN'T HATE THE PROJECT. I JUST THOUGHT , WE CAN DO A LITTLE BETTER THAN THAT. 
          I'M A LITTLE MORE SKEPTICAL ON THE INDUSTRIAL USE , BUT ADMITTEDLY WE HAVE NOT EXPLORED IT AT ALL. SO TO COUNCILOR TAYLOR'S POINT, WE NEED TO CITE SOME OF THE NUMBERS. I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITIES OF INDUSTRIAL ZONING AND ATTRACTING HIGHLY PAID JOBS TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT CAN REALLY HELP US BE ECONOMICALLY DIVERSE. 
          >> CAN DO IT. WE CAN DO IT. >> THAT'S TRUE. IF FISHERS CAN DO IT, WE CAN DO IT. I WAS VERY CLOSE TO BEING A YES VOTE. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE NO TONIGHT, BUT THAT IS NO DISRESPECT TO EDWARD ROSE. WITH THAT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A 
          MOTION. >> MOVED TO APPROVE. 
          >> I WILL SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          >> TWO COMMITMENTS WERE MADE. >> MAKE THE AMENDMENTS FIRST. 
          OKAY. >> MOVED TO AMEND WITH THE TWO COMMITMENTS THAT ARE PRESENTED BY EDWARD ROSE THIS EVENING. 
          >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. SECOND MOTION. 
          VOICE VOTE. >> 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THE AMENDMENT PASSED. MOTION TO APPROVE? 
          >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> ALL RIGHT. MOVED AND 
          SECONDED. VOICE VOTE, PLEASE. >> 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THIS PASSES, 5-4. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU 
          FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. >> NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. MOVING 
          [13.a. First Reading of Ordinance D-2774-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing and Approving an Additional Appropriation of $2,526,702.00 from the General Fund (#101) to the City Property Maintenance Budget (#1206); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Minnaar, Taylor and Joshi.]
ON. GET THE CLOCK UP FOR THIS. PUBLIC HEARINGS. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D 2774-25 AND ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF $2,526,702 FROM THE GENERAL FUND. 101 TO THE CITY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BUDGET , 1206. 
          SPONSORS ARE COUNCILORS MINNAAR, TAYLOR, AND JOSHI. MOTION TO 
          INTRODUCE ? >> MOVED TO INTRODUCE. 
          >> SECOND. >> COUNCILOR MINNAAR, WOULD YOU 
          READ THE SYNOPSIS ? >> THIS APPROPRIATES $2,000,526 -- 526,720 -- $702 TO SUPPORT STREET REPAVING COSTS. 
          >> BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, COMMISSIONER -- OR ZACH 
          JACKSON WILL PRESENT. >> YET. IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WILL KIND OF START AND IF YOU HAVE MORE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, I WILL TURN IT OVER. JUST TO TAKE COUNCIL BACK , LAST YEAR YOU VOTED ON A TAX AND SURTAX THAT UNFORTUNATELY THE STATE HAD A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY WOULD NEED THAT IN HAND I THINK EARLY SEPTEMBER. WE PASSED IT IN OCTOBER. CAME BACK TO COUNCIL AFTER THAT AND WE LOOKED AT WHERE WE WERE GOING TO CLOSE THE FISCAL YEAR LAST YEAR TO SEE IF WE COULD POTENTIALLY FUND THE GENERAL FUND APPROPRIATION INCREASES TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THAT 3.6 MILLION. IN THE END, WE HAD SIX TO $7 MILLION VERSIONS LAST YEAR IN THE GENERAL FUND. OF THE 3.6 WE TALKED ABOUT USING FOR THIS YEAR, 1 MILLION WAS ALREADY RELEASED BY COUNCIL A COUPLE MONTHS AGO FOR THE KEYSTONE REPAIR PROJECT. THEY 
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WILL GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT ONCE ALL IS SAID AND DONE . TO DATE THEY HAVE BEEN REIMBURSED ABOUT 350,000 FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION AND ABOUT 100,000 FOR THE DESIGN. SO THAT MONEY IS COMING BACK IN TO REPLENISH THAT 1 MILLION. THIS IS THE REMAINING 2.5 MILLION AND CHANGE OF THAT 3.6 MILLION. IN TERMS OF HOW THE GENERAL FUND IS LOOKING THIS YEAR , WE ARE ON TRACK TO PROBABLY CLOSE THE GENERAL FUND WITH ABOUT 32 -- OVER 32 MILLION THIS YEAR. LAST YEAR WE CLOSED IT WITH 28.9 . AND THAT CONSISTS THE START OF THIS YEAR BASICALLY 14 1/2 MILLION AND THE GENERAL FUND 14 1/2 MILLION IN THE RAINY DAY FUND COMBINED. 29 MILLION . 
          THIS YEAR I THINK DEPARTMENTS PROBABLY WILL NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS THEY DID LAST YEAR. THAT SIX TO SEVEN MILLION . I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE MORE IN THE THREE TO $4 MILLION RANGE THIS YEAR FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. BUT THAT WOULD BE USED BY THE PROP OF THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE AT YEAR END OR AN IDEA WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT IS PAYING OFF SOME CAPITAL LEASES EARLY THIS YEAR TO LOWER OUR OPERATING COSTS ANY QUESTIONS. BIG PICTURE THOUGH , COUNCIL HAS HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATED 5 MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR PAVING . WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AS WELL IN THE LOCAL STREET FUND APPROPRIATED . AND THEN THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE EXTRA THREE AND HALF MILLION TO GET THIS TO THE TUNE OF 9 
          MILLION-ISH TOTAL. >> MR. PRESIDENT? CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE THEY JUMP INTO IT? ZACH OR MATT, IS THERE ANY SENSE OF URGENCY ON US TAKING ACTION TONIGHT? OR A TIMELINE OF WHEN YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE MONEY? 
          >> IT IS NOT SUPER URGENT OTHER THAN THE FACT WE ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION SEASON. OUR BID WE AWARDEDWAS 6.9 MILLION. WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. 
          IT IS GOING TO BE WE CANNOT TAKE TOO MUCH TIME. NEED TO KEEP MOVING. 
          >> THAT WOULD BE NICE. YES. >> OKAY. THANKS. 
          >> COUNCILOR. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. COUNCILOR SCHNEIDER. 
          -- SNYDER . >> OF COURSE I DO. SO I HAVE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES WITH THIS WHOLE PROCESS BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN $5 MILLION A YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. AND FOR THE RECORD, EVERYTHING I'M ABOUT TO SAY IS NOT A REFLECTION OF THIS COUNCIL, PAST COUNCIL, CURRENT ADMINISTRATION , CURRENT MAYOR AT ALL. BUT IT IS JUST A COUPLE DECADES AGO WE SAID WE WILL PUT $5 MILLION INTO OUR REPAVING. AND THEN IT NEVER CHANGED. EVEN THOUGH COSTS HAVE GONE UP 40% . OUR STANDARDS HAVE GOTTEN STRICTER . OUR SYSTEM HAS GOTTEN EXPONENTIALLY LARGER . AND HERE WE ARE PLAYING AROUND WITH 2 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS TO HIT A AND A HALF, $9 MILLION NUMBER THAT IS 100% ARBITRARY. IT MEANS NOTHING. IF WE GO -- IF WE LOOK AT ROAD RATINGS ARE DONE EITHER THROUGH RATINGS OR PCI . CARMEL'S ROADS ARE -- WE HAVE 1111 TOTAL LANE MILES. ONLY 30% OF THAT IS CONSIDERED GOOD . SO WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO START DECIDING, WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF EXPECTATION? AND THE STREET DEPARTMENT FOREVER HAS KIND OF BEEN A CLEANUP CREW. TO DO EVERYTHING CREW. WELL, THEY CAN HANDLE THIS. EVERY TIME THEY HAVE TO HANDLE X, Y AND Z SUFFER. I DON'T THINK THERE IS A LOT OF FORETHOUGHT THAT GOES INTO SOME OF THIS REPAVING ONLY AS IT PERTAINS TO WE ALSO HAVE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS AT END-OF-LIFE. JUST IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD I HAVE PULLED 30 CASTINGS IN THE LAST WEEK. IN EVERY SINGLE STRUCTURE HAS FAILED. EVERY SINGLE ONE. SO THE COORDINATION NEEDS TO START BEING -- AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE 
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HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CITY ENGINEER AND STREET COMMISSIONER AT A HIGH LEVEL . THERE NEEDS TO BE COORDINATION BETWEEN STORM SEWER IMPROVEMENTS AND OUR ROADWORK . BECAUSE WHEN WE JUST GO OUT AND START REPAVING ROADS BECAUSE THAT IS THE THING TO DO, MANY TIMES WE ARE -- USE AN ANALOGY OF A WET BAND-AID ON A SWEATY KNEE. NOTHING IS GETTING TRULY ACCOMPLISHED WHEN THE PROBLEM IS THAT -- THE BASE. WHAT HAS BEEN THERE FOREVER. I WAS READING THIS IN THE CONTRACT THAT THERE ARE SPECIFICATIONS FOR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU ARE DOING FULL BASE REPAIR. BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE INSPECTION TEAM OUT THERE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ENGINEER WATCHING EVERYTHING BEING MILLED OFF. THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING. 
          INSANE. OH, MAN. WE NEED TO GO OVER THAT AGAIN. AN INCH AND A HALF. STILL SEE THIS CRACKING. WE NEED TO GO DEEPER. THERE IS NOBODY OUT THERE SAYING THAT. SO WE ARE JUST MILLING IT AND THEN OVERLAYING IT AND NEVER ACTUALLY FIXING THE PROBLEM, WHICH MEANS WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THIS AGAIN. OR WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE. IF WE WERE TO TAKE JUST THE ROADS -- THERE'S THREE RATINGS. FOUR -- POOR, FAIR, AND GOOD. IF WE WERE TO TAKE JUST THE ROADS THAT WERE RATED POOR AND TO MILL AND OVERLAY JUST THOSE ROADS IS $23 MILLION . AND HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 2 1/2 MILLION . IT JUST DOES NOT JIVE . THIS IS INSANITY. EVERY SINGLE YEAR. YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. ALL WE HAVE EVER DONE IS SAID, HOW CAN WE PUT JUST ENOUGH MONEY SO WE DON'T TAKE AS MANY STEPS BACKWARDS ? AND I THINK THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT HAS EVER BEEN IN ANY CITY KNOWS THAT ONCE THE ROADS TURN BAD, THEY STAY BAD. YOU CAN NEVER CATCH UP. SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING TO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FROM OUR GENERAL FUND WHEN I THINK THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE. NOW I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME PEOPLE ON COUNCIL ABOUT THIS AND THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD COUNTERPOINTS AGAINST WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY. BUT ALSO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY IS NOT TO BE TAKEN HAS NEGATIVE AGAINST THIS PROJECT IN ANY FORM . BUT WE HAVE $14 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR A CAMPUS THAT COULD BECOME VERY, VERY COOL, RIGHT? WHAT IS AT LEAST IN HENRY'S EYES STILL THE CORE OF CARMEL . IT COULD BRING SOMETHING TO WHAT SOME CALL A BLIGHTED AREA . I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY'S BOND COUNCIL . AND OF ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS WE LISTED, HE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE HAD NO PLAN. NOW, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT DOING A MASTER PLAN. AFTER A MASTER PLAN IS DONE, COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO COME TO A CONSENSUS ON WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT GO THERE. ONE THING I'M REALLY HAPPY THE MAYOR AND ENGINEERING ARE WORKING ON NOW IS A HUGE GLOBAL DRAINAGE STUDY THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR ALL OF CARMEL IN THAT AREA . BUT INSTEAD OF 2 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS COMING OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND, THIS COUNCIL WORKED REALLY HARD . TAKE AWAY THE OTHER 14 MILLION THAT IS IN CASH . BUT WE WORKED REALLY HARD -- WHICH WAS ACCUMULATED YEAR AFTER YEAR . 
          THIS COUNCIL DECIDED TO BE PROACTIVE AND DO THAT ON THE FRONT END . AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT MONEY THAT WE WORKED SO HARD TO HOLD BACK BE USED UP HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR WHEN I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION FROM COLLEAGUES THAT THE MONEY WE HELD BACK WOULD BE USED FOR EMERGENCIES OR COUNCIL LED INITIATIVES THAT WE ALL COLLECTIVELY AGREED ON . SO OUR BOND COUNCIL WOULD SUPPORT CHANGING THE DEFINITION, WHICH WOULD ONLY BE AN AMENDMENT TO OUR M.O. YOU OF THE PROJECT . 
          AND IF WE DID THAT TO ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF TAKING MONEY OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND -- WE CAN TAKE MONEY ALREADY ALLOCATED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, TAKE THE 2 1/2 MILLION PLUS MAYBE ANOTHER 5 MILLION TO START DOING REAL GOOD INSTEAD OF BAND-AIDS . NOW, I HAVE MADE NO SECRET. I'M INTERESTED IN ANOTHER INFRASTRUCTURE BOND THIS YEAR 
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BECAUSE IT IS PROBABLY THE LAST OPPORTUNITY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ONE FOR A LONG WHILE SINCE THE STATE COMPLETELY SCREWEDUS AND MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES. I HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING THAT MONEY RIGHT BACK IN. THIS IS NOT ABOUT CNL. THIS IS ABOUT WE HAVE $14 MILLION SITTING SOMEWHERE THAT IS NOT READY TO BE SPENT YET. THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE THIS COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND DELIBERATE IS, INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING THE 2 1/2 MILLION TO DO WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR 30 YEARS THAT HAS GOTTEN US SO FAR BEHIND IS LET'S TRY TO CAPTURE ENOUGH MONEY TO WHERE THE STREET DEPARTMENT AND ENGINEERING AND THE ADMINISTRATION WITH COUNCIL INPUT CAN ACTUALLY START BRINGING OUR STREETS BACK TO A LEVEL THAT I BELIEVE OUR CONSTITUENTS EXPECTS. DRIVING YESTERDAY BREAKS MY HEART. I DROVE FROM THE WEST SIDE OF CARMEL ALL THE WAY TO THE EAST SIDE OF CARMEL ON MAIN STREET, AND IT LOOKS LIKE GARBAGE. THE RAIN REALLY BRINGS IT OUT. AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE FAILURES SO MUCH MORE. SO UNTIL WE START ACTUALLY FIXING ROADS, UNTIL WE ACTUALLY START GETTING CAUGHT UP, WE ARE NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING. AND WE HAVE SO MANY COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE HORRIBLE DRAINAGE ISSUES. THEY ARE END-OF-LIFE. ABSOLUTE END-OF-LIFE THAT NEED FIXED AS WELL. AND THOSE NEED TO BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION . SO MY ASK TONIGHT IS THAT THIS COUNCIL AT LEAST HAS THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HIM BREARLEY TAKING MONEY FROM THE CNO PROJECT TO TRULY PUT MONEY -- REALLY PUT MONEY INTO OUR ROADS. WE CAN PUT THE MONEY BACK , BUT NOW IS THE TIME. AND THIS WOULD BE -- YOU WOULD STILL BID . CURRENT BID PACKAGE. BUT THEN YOU WOULD HAVE ANOTHER ONE. 
          ALSO THE HOUSE BILL CHANGED THE FUNDING CROSSROADS COMMUNITY GRANT FUNDING. COMMUNITY CROSSROADS FUNDING FROM FISCAL YEAR TO CALENDAR YEAR. THERE IS OPPORTUNITY IF WE GO AFTER IT FOR SOME COMMUNITY CROSSINGS MONEY AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO WE CAN PUT THAT INTO PROJECTIONS OF THIS. I KNOW WE CAN DO 
          BETTER. THAT IS MY ASK. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER. WE TALK ABOUT THE TIMELINE BECAUSE I WILL BE HONEST. I'M INCLINED TO AT LEAST EXPLORE COUNCILOR MONON'S IDEA AND SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON IT WAS TAKE TOO LONG TO GET THE BONDS REWRITTEN OR THERE WASN'T ENOUGH VOTES TO PASS , THEN MY FALLBACK WOULD BE TO DEFINITELY GIVE YOU THE MONEY SOMEWHERE . BUT I WOULD LOVE TO EXPLORE HIS IDEA BEFORE WE DID THAT. SO TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE WE WOULD LOOK AT IN ORDER -- DON'T WANT TO MISS 
          THIS SEASON. >> REALLY, EITHER WAY YOU GO, WE ARE GOING TO SPEND SOME COIN. WHAT WE WILL TYPICALLY DO IS USE THE 20% ON THE CONTRACT TO EXPAND THE SCOPE. NOT TRY TO CHANGE IT TAKES , WE MAY GET DONE THIS YEAR. IF NOT, CONTRACT 
          INAUDIBLE ] >> FOR ROADS THAT REALLY NEED TO 
          GET DONE THIS YEAR. >> MOST OF THEM ARE ON -- EVERYTHING -- I MEAN, I THINK WHEN WE RAN THE BUDGET NUMBERS INAUDIBLE ] OUR TARGET GOAL CURRENTLY IS 71 PCI SCORE. 470. 
          10 YEARS , THAT IS LOOKING LIKE ON AVERAGE WE WILL HAVE TO GET UP TOWARD 9 1/2 MILLION A YEAR. THAT IS PREDICTING INFLATION AND STUFF. CONCRETE COSTS FIGURED INTO THAT WITHIN OUR SYSTEM. SO EVERYTHING THAT IS BAD CURRENTLY IS GETTING HIT. ONE THING THAT WOULD PUSH US BACK AS COUNCILOR MENTIONED IN TALKING WITH BRAD OF ENGINEERING SOME HOPES ORIGINALLY WITH CONCRETE TECHNIQUE. CORE SAMPLES DID NOT COME BACK TO STANDARD . SO THAT IT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE REDONE, AT WHICH POINT WOULD BE THE TIME TO PURSUE STORMWATER DRAINAGE . BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE BIGGER PICTURE ANYWAY. MY GOAL IS TO LAND ON THAT THIS YEAR. GET SOME DESIGN GOING THIS YEAR. WAITING A LONG TIME . 
          >> COUNCILOR JOSHI . >> YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO 
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MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS AS WELL. LOOKING AT THIS, TAKING US TO COMMITTEE, TAKING A CHANCE TO REALLY DIVE DEEP INTO WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS LONG-TERM FOR OUR CITY IS NOT GOING TO DELAY ANY CURRENT PAVING PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE OUR CONSTITUENTS TO BE CONCERNED THAT ROADS THAT THEY WERE PROMISED THAT WOULD BE 
          PAVED WILL SOMEHOW GET DELAYED. >> I WOULD SAY THAT IS ACCURATE. 
          WE HAVE COMMUNICATED TO THE CONSTITUENTS ALL ALONG THAT EVERYTHING WAS DEPENDENT ON ADDITIONAL FUNDING ANYWAY. SO WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT DOING WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING. 
          ANYTHING THAT INVOLVED THAT 2 1/2 MILLION WAS DEPENDENT ON WHETHER OR NOT 
          >> COUNCILOR GREEN? >> YEAH. THANKS , MR. PRESIDENT. 
          YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO FURTHER EXPLORE WHAT COUNCILOR SNYDER SAID. I WOULD ALSO LIKE BRAD BINGHAM TO BE THERE ON COUNCIL TO KIND OF DISCUSS THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES 
          POTENTIALLY. >> I THOUGHT FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          >> YEAH. THAT IS GOOD. SO THAT IS KIND OF THE FUNDING ISSUES DEFINITELY. MATT, I TALKED TO YOU SOME MONTHS AGO ABOUT HOW MUCH WE ARE ON TARGET . HOW MUCH YOU NEED. I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED THAT WE WERE KIND OF HURTING ON THE FUNDS AND KIND OF FARTHER BEHIND THAN I THOUGHT WE WOULD BE ON THE A .5 MILLION . THE 6.9. THAT IS STILL BEING LET OUT. BUT ASIDE FROM FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO THINGS TODAY, COUNCILOR SNYDER HAD A REALLY INTERESTING POINT THAT I WASN'T COMPLETELY AWARE OF. AT 30% OF OUR ROADS, I WOULD LIKE US GOING BACK TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. STRATEGIC PLAN ON WHAT IS GOOD. 50%, 60%, 70% . YOU KNOW, OF MAINTAINING ROADS AT THE STANDARD OF GOOD . AND THEN WHAT DO WE NEED TO FUND THAT? AND THEN TO KIND OF SUSTAIN IT. 
          SO THIS COUNCIL KNOWS . BECAUSE I THOUGHT A AND A HALF MILLION -- NOT BAD AFTER 5 MILLION . BUT WE ARE PROBABLY NOWHERE NEAR WHERE WE NEED TO BE. SO THE FUNDING KIND OF LONG TERM SO THIS COUNCIL CAN FIGURE OUT AND MAKE IT A PRIORITY. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE MAKING REALLY TOUGH DECISIONS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS ON HOW TO FUND THINGS. AND THEN -- SO THE FUNDING. AND THEN ALSO YOUR CAPACITY. YOU KNOW. BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS WHERE I HAVE BEEN TOLD IN THE PAST THAT THE STREETS DEPARTMENT HAS A CERTAIN CAPACITY AND THEN IT LETS OUT CONTRACTS. AND SOMETIMES THE CAPACITY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR CONTRACTORS IS LIMITED TO WHAT CAN ACTUALLY GET DONE. SO KIND OF HOW MUCH YOU REALLY NEED OR HOW MUCH DO WE NEED TO GET IT TO THE STANDARDS WE BELIEVE CARMEL'S ROADS CAN BE. AND THEN SOME TYPE OF VALIDATION OR VERIFICATION THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND THE CAPACITY TO DO IT. AND IF WE CAN'T, THEN HOW DO WE KIND OF ADJUST THINGS TO GET WHERE WE ALL WANT TO GO? 
          THANKS. >> COUNCILOR TAYLOR? 
          >> THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. I WAS JUST REALLY SURPRISED COMING IN THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A CAPITAL ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR OUR STREETS. 
          WE ARE SORT OF SHOOTING IN THE DARK HERE. I KNOW YOU HAVE WHEN YOU CAME ON BOARD THERE WAS A LONG HISTORY OF THE WAY THAT STREETS HAVE BEEN -- PAVING HAS BEEN CHOSEN BEFORE. REALLY PROFESSIONALIZING ON HOW WE CHOOSE WHICH STREETS WE DO AND ET CETERA WITH YOUR SCANS. BUT I THINK A LONG-TERM CAPITAL ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN ON HOW WE ADDRESS THESE ISSUES IS VERY IMPORTANT , VERY SUPPORTIVE OF SPENDING THE TIME AND MONEY TO DO THAT. REGARDING THE BONDS , VERY IMPORTANT TALKING ABOUT REPLENISHING THE MONEY THAT LEGAL DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT THERE HAS BEEN A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION SO WE CAN IN FACT DO THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER PASSING NECESSARILY A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION FOR THESE RENTAL BONDS THAT WE FINANCED, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE GO SPENDING BOND PROCEEDS AND EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO REPLENISH THOSE. I WOULD BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF USING BOND PROCEEDS FOR MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE OR STREET REBUILDING . STORMWATER REPLACEMENT. SANITARY SEWER, ET CETERA. HOWEVER, I THINK TO LOOK AT COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE FAILED AT DEALING WITH ROAD FUNDING -- LIKE THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS. I WOULD NOT BE AGAINST USING MONEY THAT WE ARE PAYING DEBT SERVICE 
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ON JUST TO PAVE. BUT I HAVE A FEELING THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE MEANS OUT THERE THAN JUST SOME ADDITIONAL PAVING ONCE YOU GET THROUGH THIS STUDY AND WORK. AS WE APPROACH TALKING ABOUT MAYBE ISSUING DEBT FOR AN INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WHERE ARE -- WHERE IS YOUR DEPARTMENT AT ON POSSIBLY A CAPITAL ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN ? AND WHAT ARE THE STEPS YOU WOULD NEED TO TAKE IN TIME IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT? 
          >> REALISTICALLY PROBABLY CLOSER THAN WHAT THE COUNCIL THINKS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT IS ALL PART OF OUR PROCESS TO COUNCILOR SNYDER'S POINT ABOUT STORM STRUCTURES . EVERY TIME WE PAVE A ROAD INAUDIBLE ] AT THAT TIME WE HAVE INSPECTORS WITH EVERY CREW THAT GOES OUT THAT IS MILLING. THE PLAN IS GOING TO BE DETERMINED BY THE LEVEL AT WHICH NEEDS TO BE. RIGHT? BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS . I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS. WRITE ABILITY IS CONSTITUENTS' MAIN CONCERN. SO THERE MAY BE A ROAD THAT DOES NOT RIDE SUPER SMOOTH BUT THE OVERALL ROAD IS VERY STABLE AND IN GOOD SHAPE. HOWEVER, THERE HAS BEEN CONTINUAL TALKS IN THE PAST ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH CERTAIN ROADWAYS. SO AT ONE POINT THERE IS GOING TO BE PAST . REPAIRS THAT HAD TO BE MADE. THINGS WE HAVE DONE TO PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION ACTUALLY STRATEGICALLY ATTACKING THIS AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING A WET BAND-AID ON A SWEATY KNEE. SO WE ARE PROBABLY CLOSER TO GETTING THAT SOLUTION FURTHER. IT WAS JUST STARTING TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGIC 
          EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE . >>'S A 136TH STREET . HOW WOULD THAT SCORING BETWEEN KEYSTONE AND GRAY ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE? TO ME, THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, BUT I'M A NOVICE. 
          >> IT IS ON THE LIST. WE DIDN'T PLAN A BUNCH OF NEW ASPHALT. 
          >> WHAT IS THAT ASPHALT? OR IT APPEARS THAT WAS PAVED TO BE SIX YEARS AGO, SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND NOW THERE IS A LOT OF CRACKING AND FAILING ALONG THE SIDE THAT HAD TO BE BROUGHT IN AND 
          PATCHED. >> YEAH. PIECEMEAL. AFTER THEY DID THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          TRAFFIC SIGNAL ISSUES LATER FIGURED OUT DURING THAT PROJECT THEY GROUND OUT THE SENSORS. WHEN THE STREET SENSORS GO AWAY, THE LIGHT DOESN'T WORK. SO THAT WASN'T PIECEMEAL. WE DID NOT WANT TO START 
          >> I'M GOING TO SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE JUST SO YOU KNOW, BUT 
          COUNCILOR LOCKE, YOU'RE NEXT. >> QUESTION ON THE PROCESS TONIGHT AND MOVING FORWARD. IF YOU HAVE MORE RESOURCES, WOULD 
          YOU BE ABLE TO DO MORE ? >> IT DEPENDS ON WHEN I KNOW I'M GETTING THE RESOURCES. AWARDED 6.9 MILLION. I USED OTHER LINE ITEMS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE AMOUNT WE NEEDED TO DO . 
          I NEEDED TO AWARD THAT AMOUNT IF WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO GET A AND A HALF MILLION. SO WE TYPICALLY TRY TO AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF JANUARY . SO THAT WE CAN GET STUFF LOCKED IN. GOT US AHEAD OF THE GAME AS FAR AS CONCRETE WORK. SO STRATEGICALLY I AWARDED 6.9 THIS YEAR EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY BUDGETED FOR PAVING SO THAT DO A AND A HALF AS LONG AS I KNOW THE AMOUNT TRYING TO GET 
          LINING UP ISN'T THE PROBLEM. >> SO MY QUESTION THERE IS REALLY TWOFOLD. ONE, AS WE ARE STRATEGICALLY LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET , WHAT WERE TRYING TO GET DONE NEXT YEAR. 
          THIS SEEMS TO BE AN ITEM THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE STRATEGIC INITIATIVE AROUND. WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF ROAD REPAVING AND 
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REPAIR? I SEE THOSE AS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THE CONCEPT OF CREATING BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ALLOWS ROADS TO LAST LONGER SEEMS TO BE THE THING THAT MAKES SENSE TO DO FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE. IF INSTEAD OF A RANDOM NUMBER OR A NUMBER THAT WE THINK WILL MAKE US COMFORTABLE OR COPACETIC OR 5 MILLION HAS BEEN THAT NUMBER -- MAYBE THAT NEW NUMBER BASED ON WHAT WE DID WITH THE REAL TEXT LAST YEAR. I WOULD RATHER YOU SAY, WELL, IT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO KEEP IT MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 12 MILLION. BUT WE THINK WITH 11 OR 10 WE COULD DO THE RIGHT THING. AND THIS GETS TO THE BROADER CONCEPT FOR TAKING CARE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE. IT IS VERY HARD IF YOU ARE USING ONE TIME MONEY TO PAY FOR THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO FIND THAT ONE TIME MONEY AGAIN. BUT IF YOU BUILD IT INTO THE BUDGET AND STRATEGICALLY GROW THAT NUMBER TWO WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE TO MEET OUR NEED, THEN WE WILL BE IN A BETTER SPOT MOVING FORWARD. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU AND ENGINEERING ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE -- YOU GUYS TO RUN THAT PROCESS AND GIVE US WHAT WE SHOULD DO AND THEN IN THE SHORT TERM IF WE CAN FIND MONEY NOW , WHEN WE KNOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENT NEXT YEAR AND THERE IS ONE TIME MONEY AVAILABLE NOW THAT WE CAN USE FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES THAT WILL HELP US GET OVER THAT HUMP KNOWING THAT THE FIRST THING THAT IS CUT IS OFTEN MAINTENANCE THINGS . IT'S CLOSE AND IT IS FINE. 30 INSTEAD OF 40. CAN WE DO SOME OF THIS NOW WITH RESOURCES IF WE FIND THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS FRUITFUL TO PUT US IN A BETTER SPOT SO WE ARE NOT TRADING ROADS FOR EVENTS NEXT YEAR OR WHATEVER THAT TRADE STARTS TO LOOK LIKE SO WE ARE AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON THIS ISSUE, WHICH IS PARAMOUNT TO OUR 
          WAY OF LIFE. >> THANK YOU. YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING STRUCK ME. YOU SAID TO COVER THAT DON'T TELL YOU SAID YOU WERE PULLING MONEY FROM OTHER LINE ITEMS. WHAT DO YOU 
          MEAN BY THAT? >> MAINTENANCE. CONCRETE ROADS. BASICALLY MAKES UP THE DIFFERENCE. 
          >> SO IT IS ALL STREET RELATED THINGS. 
          >> IT JUST STRUCK ME. THANK YOU. >> MR. SNYDER, DID YOU -- 
          >> PART OF THE CONVERSATION . I WANT TO REITERATE THIS. WHEN I SAID TO DO JUST THE LANE MILES , IT WOULD COST $23 MILLION . 
          CRYSTAL CLEAR I MEAN THAT ALL THAT IS IS THE MILL AT PHIL. 
          THAT IS NOTHING ELSE. 1 MILLION OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO BUILDING A ROAD. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW AND YOU NEED TO KNOW , WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION OF THE COMMUNITY? BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT JUST A SERVICEABLE ROAD ? AND PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ? AND ARE WE GOING TO TRADE AESTHETICS ? THE RUMOR WAS THAT WOULD NEVER DO CRACK PHIL BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP . I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS TRUE. I KIND OF HAVE NO IDEA. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP. AND IT BUYS YOU IN MY OPINION -- IT DOESN'T BUY YOU A WHOLE HELL LOT MORE OF TIME. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT. BUT MOST OF THEM I JUST THINK, BUILD IT RIGHT. REDO IT RIGHT. YOU'VE GOT HOW MANY EMPLOYEES? 
          >> 69. >> 69. AS I RECALL IN THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE THE CITY OUR SIZE WITH WHAT WE WOULD HAVE, WE 
          WOULD HAVE HOW MANY EMPLOYEES? >> BASED ON WHAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, ANYWHERE FROM -- I THINK IT IS 107. 
          >> UP TO 180. SO YOU ARE STRETCHED SO THIN . YOU GET ASKED TO DO EVERYTHING. SO I DON'T THINK IT IS UNREASONABLE FOR ME TO THINK THAT WHILE YOU SAY YOU HAVE AN INSPECTOR ON SITE, THEY ARE NOT PREOCCUPIED EVEN MENTALLY WITH 1 MILLION OTHER THINGS. SECONDLY, THEY ARE TRYING TO -- THEY WORK FOR YOU OR THEIR BOSS . AND IF THEY SAY , THIS SECTION NEEDS TO COME IN AT X DOLLARS, THEY HAVE NO INCENTIVE TO SAY , WE NEED BASE REPAIR HERE. BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE INCREASE IN MONEY. AND THAT IS JUST THE HUMAN CONDITION. SO WHEN I SAY THERE IS NO ONE ON 
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SITE, THERE IS NO THIRD-PARTY INSPECTION FIRM SAYING, HEY, THIS REALLY DOES IN FACT NEED FIXED. AND ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT IS CAUSING ISSUES IN DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. MATT, YOU HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. BRAD HAS TAKEN A WHOLE LOT MORE ON HIS PLATE RIGHT NOW. I HAVE KNOWN BRAD A VERY LONG TIME. I WOULD LOVE TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH YOU GUYS AND REALLY KNOCK OUT, LIKE , A, WHAT DO WE NEED TO FOCUS ON AS FAR AS WHAT REALLY NEEDS STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS. I CAN TAKE OFF ABOUT FIVE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BEYOND FAIL . BUT THEN IT COMES TO WHAT IS THIS COUNCIL 'S AND COMMUNITY'S LEVEL OF CARE FOR THE ROADS? IS IT GOING TO JUST BE SERVICEABLE AND DRIVABLE, OR ARE WE GOING TO BE SERIOUS AND PUT DOWN NICE ROADS ? I'M GLAD THIS IS GOING TO YOUR COMMITTEE. I HOPE YOU CAN TAKE ME INTO IT. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. TO YOUR POINT. 
          WOULD NOT ADVOCATE FOR USING BOND MONEY FOR JUST AN INCH OF -- INCH AND A HALF. BUT I THINK OUR ROADS NEED A LOT MORE . I WOULD LIKE PERMISSION THOUGH IF LAND-USE CAN TALK ABOUT -- GO 
          THROUGH SOME AREAS. >> QUESTION . 
          SOMETHING SIMULTANEOUSLY BE CONSIDERED BY BOTH COMMITTEES? 
          ONE COMMITTEE CAN VOTE ON IT. >> FOR KATE IT. 
          >> WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE. >> AND THEY JUST WAY IN? 
          >> LAND-USE STUDIES. >> IT IS A GOOD QUESTION. PUT ON THE SPOT A LITTLE BIT HERE. BUT THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE POWER TO CREATE NEW COMMITTEES. WHETHER IT IS TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT . 
          IT IS NOT SPECIFIED. I KNOW. BUT I DO BELIEVE YOU DO HAVE A POWER TO CREATE A TEMPORARY COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER THAT ISSUE IF YOU WOULD LIKE. IT WILL REQUIRE A MOTION TO CREATE NEW COMMITTEE. 
          >> SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS SUBMIT IT TO FINANCE. LAND-USE CAN DISCUSS THE MATTER BUT CANNOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          BUT THEN OF COURSE FINANCE WILL CLOSELY FOLLOW THE CONVERSATION 
          WITH LAND-USE. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK A QUESTION. CAN FINANCE AS THEY ARE DELIBERATING THIS -- WE CAN DISCUSS IT. COULD IT GET THROWN THEN TO LAND-USE FOR A FINAL LOOK NOT AT -- YEAH. I KNOW WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE QUICKLY, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE BOTH PIECES OF THIS BECAUSE IT REALLY IS NECESSARY FOR A GOOD, LONG TERM 
          STRATEGIC PLAN. >> PRESIDENT AASEN, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE LOOKS AT THE LONG-TERM CAPITAL FUNDING NEEDS. HOWEVER, LAND-USE DISCUSSED SPECIFIC AREAS AND SPECIFIC COMPONENTS OF ROADS AND STREETS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED IN THAT PLAN. 
          >> I WILL THROW THIS OUT THERE. IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD HAVE -- TIMELINE. AUGUST? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT WE NEED TO GET 
          SOMETHING DECIDED? >> ONE THING IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF ANY OF THIS. AUGUST 5TH IS YOUR DEADLINE TO HAVE ALL YOUR MAIN ROADS DONE AND NOVEMBER 1ST FOR THEY GO TO LOOK AT DAMAGES. 
          SO PROBABLY A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO AMEND YOUR CONTRACT DPW, A LOT OF THIS WILL BE DONE NEXT YEAR ANYWAY. SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M THINKING, OKAY . 
          HERE IS OUR COUNCIL THAT IS CONSIDERING THROWING A WHOLE BUNCH MORE MONEY AT ME ON TOP OF WHATEVER MY BUDGET REQUEST NEEDS ARE FOR NEXT YEAR. THE EFFICIENCY OF SCALE IS PROBABLY DOING IT COLLECTIVELY. HOWEVER, I AM OPEN. AND IF IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE YOU NEED THAT TOO .6 MILLION , THAT IS STILL ON THE TABLE. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT IT IS NOT. AND WE CAN WORK ON ÚTHE OTHER FUNDING AFTER THAT. JUST WANT TO DRIVE THIS POINT HOME NOW THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS NOT WORKING. AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE SET UP FOR FAILURE. BECAUSE OUR LEVEL OF EXPECTATION IS RATHER HIGH. YOU NEED IT ON EVERYTHING AND I HATE TO SEE IT NOT BE MET ANY OTHER PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THAT IS MY THOUGHT. AND IF WE CAN JUST MAY BE -- YEAH. 
          >> COUNCILOR GREEN. >> I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW-UP. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED MORE WHEN WE GET INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS. YOU SAID YOU NEED 170 TO 180 -- I MEAN, NORMALLY. NOT THAT YOU NEED. BUT THE CITY OUR SIZE WOULD HAVE 170 TO 180 STREET DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES? 
          >> NO. 2023. 
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DEPARTMENT BASED ON PROGRAM ANYWHERE FROM 170 -- 107 TO 180. 
          >> 107 180. AND THAT IS DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH YOU WOULD 
          DO INTERNALLY VERSUS -- >> IT IS BASED ON WHAT WE 
          CURRENTLY DO. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNCILOR LOCKE. >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY PRETTY DON'T ASK FOR A LOT. I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT NOT DOING THIS TRANSFER TONIGHT DOES NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR ABILITY TO BALANCE FINANCIAL WORK OR STREET PROCESS WE NEED TO DO IN THE SHORT TERM. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY I LOVE THE IDEA OF MAKING THE TRANSFERS WHEN WE HAVE TO BUT ALSO WOULD LOVE HEADS UP IF THEY ARE COMING. WANT TO ENSURE AGAIN THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE RELATIONSHIP TO A VENDOR. IT DOES NOT SHIFT WORK PRODUCT BECAUSE I AM A YES AND ON THIS IN SOME CAPACITY WHERE I COULD SEE US APPROPRIATING MONEY AND FINDING MORE RESOURCES TO DO 
          MORE OF THIS. >> I THINK FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THERE ARE NO DEADLINES OTHER THAN THE DEADLINES THE COMMISSIONER HAS. I WAS JUST ASKING IN TERMS OF ASSUMING IT IS SENT TO THE COMMITTEE HOW IF THERE IS STILL A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT COMMENTS, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT AT 8:05 P.M. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. NOT SEEING ANYONE GET OUT OF THEIR SEAT, I WILL 
          [13.b. First Reading of Ordinance D-2775-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing and Approving an Additional Appropriation of Funds from Parks and Recreation Impact Fee Fund (Fund #106) to Line Item 4460715 White River Corridor; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Snyder and Taylor.]
CLOSE THE HEARING AT 8:05 P.M. AND 18 SECONDS. AND THIS WILL BE GOING TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. MOVING ON. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D 2775-25 ORDINANCE OF COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL , INDIANA AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION IMPACT FUND 106 TO LINE ITEM 446-0715 WHITE RIVER CORRIDOR . SPONSORS ARE COUNCILORS SNYDER AND TAYLOR. A MOTION TO INTRODUCE. 
          >> SO MOVED . >> SECOND. 
          >> COUNCILOR TAYLOR, WOULD YOU READ THE SYNOPSIS? OR COUNCILOR 
          SNYDER, READ THE SYNOPSIS. >> SORRY. ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL . APPROPRIATES FUNDS TO COVER COSTS RELATED TO THE WHITE RIVER GREENWAY NORTH EXTENSION. 
          >> SORRY. DIDN'T HAVE YOUR GLASSES. DIRECTOR. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. DIRECTOR OF CARMEL PARKS AND RECREATION. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY A TWO-STEP PROCESS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE ACTION ITEM BEFORE YOU PRESENTLY . ORDINANCE D 2775 -25, WHICH APPROPRIATE S APPROXIMATELY MILLION DOLLARS. BASICALLY THESE ARE FUNDS WE RECEIVED THROUGH THE READY 1.0 PROGRAM OF $4 MILLION TOTAL THAT ARE GOING TO CONSTRUCT EXTENSION. THIS ORDINANCE APPROPRIATES THE MONEY OUT OF THE 106 FUND . SUBSEQUENT ACTION THAT IS IN NEW ITEMS RESOLUTION CC 0707 25-01 ACTUALLY TRANSFERS TO GRANT FUNDS INTO THE 106 FUND TO COVER THIS APPROPRIATION. SO BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU ARE HEARING APPROPRIATION FIRST, AND THEN YOU DO THE TRANSFER SECOND. BUT THEY ARE PART AND PARCEL WITH EACH OTHER. THESE ARE FUNDS THAT THIS PROGRAM IS A REIMBURSABLE GRANT. SO WE HAVE TO CASH FLOW THE PROGRAM. USING 106 FUND TO CASH FLOW IT . THIS REIMBURSES THROUGH THE 106 FUND . 
          APPROPRIATES THE NEW FUNDS ONCE IT IS REIMBURSED SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. SO NO TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO IT. JUST ALLOWING US TO USE THE READY GRANT FUND TO BE 
          ABLE TO CONTINUE THIS PROJECT. >> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL ON THIS ? ALL RIGHT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:07 P.M.: 56. ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. NOT SEEING ANYONE, ENCLOSING THE HEARING AT 8:08 P.M. AT FIVE SECONDS. 
          >> I MOVED TO WAIVE THE READING AND ACT ON THIS TONIGHT. 
          >> WE HAVE MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES THIS EVENING. VOICE VOTE, 
          PLEASE. >> COUNCILOR GREEN . 
          >> 
          [02:05:06]
          >> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ACTING ON THIS THIS EVENING. DO I HAVE 
          MOTION TO APPROVE ? >> SO MOVED. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. VOICE VOTE. >> 
          [13.c. Petition to Vacate a Public Way; Calvert Place; Greg and Gail Corn and Jerry and Patricia Hohn]
          >> ALL RIGHT. THIS PASSES. NEXT UP ON OUR AGENDA, PETITION TO VACATE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. AND WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THIS . WHO IS READY TO PRESENT TO THE CITY ON THIS MATTER? OKAY. DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. 
          >> DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. NOT REALLY PRESENTING, BUT I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          PACKET. >> ALL RIGHT. IS THIS PETITION TO VACATE. DO I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO INTRODUCE? OKAY. 
          >> ACTUALLY THE ITEM NUMBER C, PETITION TO VACATE -- WE RECEIVED REQUEST TO CONTINUE ITEM C TO JULY 21ST HEARING FROM COMMISSIONERS -- GARY AND PATRICIA HORN. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THEY WANT TO SPEAK TO ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE PETITION. WANTED TO FIGURE IT OUT FIRST BEFORE WE BRING IT TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA. THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO RESOLVE BEFORE IT COMES TO A HEARING. SO IF YOU ACT OR RATHER IF YOU ACT ANNOUNCE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PETITION TO VACATE BROUGHT BY GREG AND JERRY AND PATRICIA WILL BE HEARD ON JULY 21ST 
          COUNCIL MEETING. >> DO WE HAVE TO INTRODUCE THE 
          ITEM FIRST? >> YOU CAN INTRODUCE IT . 
          BECAUSE IT IS A HEARING FIRST . AND THEN IF YOU APPROVE THE ITEM, THEN THE ORDINANCE IS SECOND. IT IS A LITTLE BIT 
          REVERSED. >> OKAY. SO I WILL HOLD THIS ITEM AND NOT OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING OR CLOSE IT . AND WE 
          [13.d. Petition to Vacate a Public Way; Oswego Road – Lot 107; Thomas and Merilee Klootwyk]
WILL INTRODUCE IT AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT OUR NEXT MEETING. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON THEN. ITEM D IS PETITION TO VACATE PUBLIC WAY . OSWEGO ROAD. LOT 107. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO 
          INTRODUCE ? >> SECOND. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. IT HAS BEEN INTRODUCED. ANY PRESENTATION ? 
          >> AGAIN, THE DETAILS ARE IN THE PACKET. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL ? COUNCILOR LOCKE ? 
          >> THE LOT IS BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS. JUST WONDERING IF YOU DID ANY -- IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF RULES OR NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES OR 
          THINGS THAT GO WITH THAT. >> IT IS NOT A LOT. IT IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO IT GETS VACATED AND THEN GOES BACK TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. I DON'T KNOW. 
          >> PETITION SAYS THEY'RE LOOKING TO BUILD NEW RESIDENCE 
          ON. >> THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL LAND THEY CAN ENCROACH FURTHER . D.O.C.S. HAS REVIEWED THOSE 
          KINDS OF ITEMS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR 
          COMMENTS? >> IF NOT, THEN I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER AT 8:12 P.M. AND 25 SECONDS. ANYONE HAVE ANY OPPOSITION ? WELL, COME UP . YOU CAN SPEAK YOUR COMMENTS. IF THE COUNCIL WISHES TO -- WE DON'T USUALLY DO A DIALOGUE. MAYBE WE WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AFTER YOU ARE 
          DONE. >> I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY . MY NAME IS KATHY COOK. AND I AM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY . AND IT WAS AT ONE POINT THEY THOUGHT WERE NO WAS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH. AND SO THERE IS IN ALL THESE YEARS, IT HAS BEEN LIKE THAT. WE ARE HAVING NEW NEIGHBORS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THEY ARE GOING TO GET -- I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT THEY ARE GOING 25 FEET BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE THE OTHER 25 TWO ATTACHED TO MY LOT. AND THAT IS THE ONLY THING. I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT THIS IS 25. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. SERGEI, BEFORE YOU COME UP WE HAVE ANOTHER. WE STILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING OPEN. THE NEXT PERSON WOULD LIKE 
          TO SPEAK FOR AND AGAINST. >> MY NAME IS TOM. WE WOULD BE 
          [02:10:03]
INAUDIBLE ] KATHY. AND THAT IS OUR STANCE. IT IS A 50-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE ARE ASKING TO VACATE THE 25 FEET ADJACENT TO OUR LOT SO THAT THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO DO A TEAR DOWN, WHICH WOULD HAVE A REBUILD. YEAH. SO WE DON'T WANT 50 FEET. 25 FEET ADJACENT. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:14 P.M.. THE COMMENTS FROM THE 
          CITY BEFORE TAKING ACTION? >> YEAH. I THINK THE SPECIFIC SPLIT IS NOT IN THE PACKET, BUT I THINK IT IS AUTOMATIC. 
          >> THERE WAS NOT AN ORIGINAL SPLIT BEFORE, BUT WE DID REQUEST PETITION TO CREATE AMENDED EXHIBIT B . THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT IT IS UP TO THE HALF CENTERLINE . 25 FEET RATHER THAN 50. BECAUSE THERE WAS -- IT WAS NOT A CONCERN NECESSARILY, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE. AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE PETITIONER REPRESENTED. SO I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBOR WOULD BE PETITIONING FOR THE SAME THING. IF WE ARE GOING TO GO FOR RECOMMENDATION AS WELL AS THIS PETITION. SO IT WILL BE COMING. JUST A GENERAL COMMENT THAT THIS VACATION WILL BE SUBJECT TO ALL EASEMENTS AND OTHER ENCUMBRANCES THAT EXIST ON THE LAND TODAY. SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL THAT IS 25 FEET, THERE ARE NO EASEMENTS THAT WE KNOW OF. SOME EASEMENTS AS THE NEIGHBOR INDICATED THAT WILL BE INCLUDED THAT ONE AS WELL. SO IF YOU DO VOTE ON IT TODAY , ACTION REQUIRED BY STATE CODE IS THE ORDINANCE. WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE PREPARED FOR THIS OCCASION. THAT IS ORDINANCE 7-225-2. THE ONLY THING IT SAYS IS BASICALLY CONFIRMING YOUR DECISION TO VACATE IF YOU VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT AND MAKING SURE THAT IT INDICATES 
          >> SO THAT WOULD BE ON OUR NEXT AGENDA. 
          >> YOU CAN VOTE ON IT TODAY. >> WE CAN VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE. 
          DO WE HAVE TO DO AN ADD-ON? >> UDOT -- YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO IT AS AN ADD-ON BECAUSE IT WAS ADVERTISED AND SENT TO ALL THE ADJACENT PARTIES . PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PETITION FIRST , COUNCILOR LOCKE. 
          >> ONE CLARIFYING POINT. I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T MOVE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T PROTECT THE RIGHT. 
          POINT TO WHERE IN ADDITION TO THE PACKET WE HAVE DOESN'T TALK 
          ABOUT THE HALF SPLIT ? >> IT IS EXHIBIT B. BUT IT IS ALSO DESCRIBED IN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR ACTION DOCUMENT. IT IS NOT THE PETITION THAT IS GOING TO BE FILED WITH THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE. YOUR ORDINANCE AND PER THE ATTACHED EXHIBIT. THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE IT INDICATES. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. 
          >> I HAVE A SOMEWHAT OF A LEGAL QUESTION. I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT FIRST. ONE, GENERALLY I'M OPPOSED TO VACATIONS ON A LARGER SCALE BECAUSE INEVITABLY WE NEED IT BACK. 
          BUY IT BACK. BUT IS THERE SUCH A THING AS VACATION WITH RESTRICTIONS ? AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME TO FOR NEURAL INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY IN THIS 25-25 SPLIT AND THEN GO AND REPLANT AND MAKE A BOATLOAD OF MONEY . BUILD A HOUSE ON A NEW PROPERTY. AND I KNOW THAT IS NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT KEEPS 
          INAUDIBLE ] >> YEAH. TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, IF THE CITY NEEDS PROPERTY FOR EASEMENT, FOR EXAMPLE , CAN IT DO SO? THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. LANGUAGE IN ANY ORDINANCE. 
          AS FAR AS CREATING A NEW PARCEL, THAT WILL NOT DO THAT. THAT WILL EXPAND THE EXISTING PARCEL UP TO THE LINE INDICATED IN EXHIBIT B. 
          >> WHAT I'M SAYING IS THESE GUYS GET TOGETHER AND SAY, WE JUST GOT 53 FEET OF LAND IN DOWNTOWN CARMEL. LET'S BUILD A HOUSE. AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN -- I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT 
          [02:15:03]
WHEN WE VACATE FOR A DOLLAR AMOUNT, IT IS ALSO REASONABLY ASSUMED THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF -- FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS TAKEN CARE OF THIS LAND FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. THEY ARE NOT GETTING IT FOR FREE. THEY HAVE PAID FOR IT OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. I'M JUST SAYING, IS THERE SUCH A THING AS MAY BE SOME OF THESE IN THE FUTURE WHERE COULD SEE SOME ENTREPRENEURIAL PEOPLE PUTTING THEM TOGETHER. VACATE AND PUT 
          BACK TOGETHER. >> VACATION ONLY WORKS FOR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. YOU HAVE TO BE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO VACATE THE LAND. SO AS FAR AS USING IT AS A VENTURE OF SORTS, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT COOPERATION FROM 
          ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. >> MONEY FOR HIS HOUSE 
          INAUDIBLE ] >> THAT WOULD REQUIRE -- ANY SUCH ACTION WOULD REQUIRE RE-PLAT. AND EVENTUALLY BEFORE COUNCIL. SO THAT HISTORY WILL BE REFLECTED IN RE-PLATTING PROCESS. 
          >> IN FACT, THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. WE LOOKED INTO IT AND BRAD HELPED ME WITH THAT. THE REASON WE EVEN HAVE THAT LAND -- IT WAS A DEVELOPER DEDICATED LAND TO THE CITY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A ROAD THAT CONNECTED DRIVE AND WEST. BUT IT WAS NEVER BUILT . AND NOW IN FACT THEY CANNOT BE BILLED BECAUSE TWO HOUSES ON THE OTHER END. SO THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS NEVER USED FOR ANY PUBLIC PURPOSE WHATSOEVER EXCEPT FOR THE MENTIONED EASEMENTS. AT THIS POINT IT CANNOT BE USED FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE SUCH AS RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHICH IT IS TODAY , BECAUSE IT IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY TO GET IT THROUGH WEST. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OR ELSE I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. ALL RIGHT . WE ARE VOTING ON THE PETITION. 
          VOICE VOTE, PLEASE. >> 
          >> THAT PASSES. NOW, SERGEI, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO MAKE 
          THIS MOTION FOR THIS ORDINANCE ? >> MR. PRESIDET, I CAN JUST GIVE IT TO YOU. COPIES FOR THE RECORD. 
          >> DO I NEED SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE THE MOTION THOUGH TO ADD 
          THIS? OKAY. >> I MOVE TO INTRODUCE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. DO WE NEED TO READ THE ORDINANCE NUMBER IN THE 
          RECORD? MAKE A MOTION. >> IT IS AN ORDINANCE NUMBER 
          D-SEVEN 726 -25. >> ALL RIGHT. MOVED AND SECONDED TO BE INTRODUCED. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ORDINANCE? IF NOT, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          >> SECOND. >> MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES. 
          VOICE VOTE. >> 
          >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE . 
          >> SECOND. >> VOICE VOTE, PLEASE. 
          >> 
          [14.a. Resolution CC-07-07-25-01; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds Between the Grant Fund (#900) and the Parks and Recreation Impact Fee Fund (#106); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Snyder and Taylor.]
MOVING ONTO NEW BUSINESS. WE HAVE RESOLUTION 0707 2501 RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL , INDIANA APPROVING ANSWER FUNDS BETWEEN THE GRANT FUND, 900, AND PARKS AND RECREATION IMPACT FEE FUND, 106, AND SPONSORS ARE COUNCILORS SNYDER AND TAYLOR. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO INTRODUCE ? ALL RIGHT. 
          DIRECTOR? >> RESIDENT AASEN, THIS IS 
          [02:20:08]
CONTINUATION OF THE ORDINANCE WE APPROVED. THIS ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY TRANSFER THE MONEY FROM THE GRANT FUND TO THE 106 PARK AND RECREATION FUND . CASH FLOW EXTENSION. HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS ? >> JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU ARE REIMBURSING YOUR OWN MONEY WITH YOUR OWN MONEY. 
          >> YES. >> IS IS A RESOLUTION, BUT WE CAN ACT ON IT THIS EVENING. DO I HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> MOVE 
          [14.b. Resolution CC-07-07-25-02; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Recommending Consideration of an Amendment to the Unified Development Ordinance for the City and Referring the Same to the Carmel Plan Commission for Recommendation; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Ayers, Joshi, Minnaar and Snyder.]
          >> ALL RIGHT. THIS PASSES. MOVING ON TO OUR LAST NEW BUSINESS PRINT RESOLUTION CC 0707 2502 RESOLUTION OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA , AND IN CONSIDERATION OF AMENDMENT TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE OF THE CITY AND REFERRING THE SAME TO CARMEL PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. SPONSOR OUR COUNCILORS AYERS, JOSHI , AND SNYDER. MOVED AND SECONDED. 
          COUNCILOR MINNAAR, WOULD YOU READ THE SYNOPSIS? 
          >> THIS RESOLUTION REFERS TO A PROPOSAL TO AMEND ARTICLE ONE OF THE CARMEL UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE TO THE CARMEL ADVISORY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMENDATION TO 
          THE COMMON COUNCIL . >> ALL RIGHT. SERGEI. 
          >> GOOD EVENING AGAIN. SERGEI . COUNCIL. AS COUNCILOR MINNAAR INDICATED, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND ARTICLE ONE OF THE THAT WAS AN EFFORT THAT YOU INITIATED OVER A YEAR AGO AT THIS POINT. 
          APPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF UGO AND POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE THAT LAND-USE HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR OVER A YEAR AGAIN. YOU DID RECEIVE THE FIRST ROOTS OF THAT REVIEW TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO. YOU SET THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT, WHICH IS AMENDMENT OF CHAPTER 9 UDO PLANNING COMMISSION . WHICH WE JUST PASSED. JUST DID NOT MAKE THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. THIS WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU NEXT MEETING. 
          SAME WITH GROUP HOME ORDINANCE AS WELL AS COMING BACK AS PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH ALSO IS A UDO AMENDMENT. SO IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT  YOU ARE INITIATING THE AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN THIS CASE FOR INDIANA CODE. YOU ARE SENDING IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND BRING BACK TO YOU. THEIR OFFICIAL ZONING AMENDMENT ORNAMENTS , WHICH YOU SUGGEST THE DRAFT OF. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH IT. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN A LONG MEETING . COMPARED TO THE ORDINANCE, IT IS LESS COMPREHENSIVE OF AN AMENDMENT SUBSTANTIVELY , BUT IT HAS A LOT OF -- 
          >> I KNOW IT IS A LONG MEETING. CAN YOU GIVE US SOME OF THE 
          HIGHLIGHTS ? >> ABSOLUTELY. ARTICLE ONE OF UDO ADDRESSES THE PURPOSES AND GENERAL POLICIES OF ZONING TO COMBINE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION CONTROL ORDINANCES . UDO HAS UNIFIED ORDINANCE . IT OUTLINES A LOT OF THE GENERAL PROCESSES THAT ORDINANCE FOLLOWS AS WELL AS OUTLINES CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITIES OF VARIOUS BODIES THAT DEAL WITH LAND-USE, INCLUDING COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION. THESE ARE THE THREE UNITS THAT DEAL WITH 95% OF LAND-USE PIECES. 
          AS IS CARMEL. SO THAT ARTICLE STILL HAD A LOT OF REFERENCES TO THINGS THAT DON'T EXIST ANYMORE IN A CLASS TWO CITY. FOR EXAMPLE, A CLERK TREASURER STILL REFERENCED THROUGHOUT . 
          REFERENCE CERTAIN PROCESSES ALSO NO LONGER USED BY CARMEL JUST BECAUSE IT UPGRADED TO A SECOND-CLASS CITY AFTER THE ORIGINAL UDO WAS PASSED. SO IT DOES THAT. IT ALSO HAS SEVERAL CLARIFICATIONS IN THE PROCESS ITSELF, THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE USER-FRIENDLY. LAND-USE COMMITTEE. SUBSTANTIVELY , IT DOES AMEND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS BY CLARIFYING WHERE THEY ARE . NUMBER ONE. I WILL NEVER FORGET COUNCILOR SNYDER AT THE FIRST COULD NOT FIND THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. THAT IS 
          [02:25:03]
WHAT IT REFERRED TO IN OUR UDO PLAN . AND AT FIRST I WAS LIKE, WELL, IT IS THERE . AND COUNCILOR SNYDER INSISTED I COULD NOT FIND ONE. SURE ENOUGH , IT IS NOT CALLED THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. AND IT IS ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN MULTIPLE SECTIONS OF THE PLAN. SO IT WAS NOT INTUITIVE FOR ANYBODY TO READ IT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE AND WHAT WE WERE REFERRING TO. AND THAT IS WHERE YOU FIND THE DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS. 
          MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW THE MOST RECENT SUPREME COURT ] BECAUSE IT IS A FEDERAL ISSUE. AMENDED TO CLARIFY WHEN WE ARE REQUIRED AND WHEN WE ARE NOT REQUIRED. AND THEN IT HASN'T A COUPLE OF SMALLER AMENDMENTS THAT MAKES A COUPLE OF ADMINISTERED A PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH UDO AND HOW TO USE IT MORE USER-FRIENDLY. A GOOD IDEA TO START WITH ARTICLE ONE BECAUSE IT SETS THE TONE FOR THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE THAT FOLLOWS. 
          >> DID YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? 
          >> I HAVEN'T WORKED ANY HARDER THAN COUNCILOR AYERS OR JOSHI . 
          NOR D.O.C.S. . >> THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SEXY STUFF . A LOT OF IT IS VERY DRY . TO YOUR POINT, IT HAS TAKEN A YEAR AND A HALF. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS ARE NOT WHAT WE ARE CHANGING BUT IS EFFECTIVELY THREE LEHMAN NOT UNDERSTANDING REPRESENTING THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. NOT UNDERSTANDING. AND WORKING WITH D.O.C.S. TO HELP OUR CONSTITUENTS FIND WAYS TO MAKE IT AN EASIER PROCESS. 
          EASY TO DIGEST. NONE OF IT IS WOW. 
          >> WHO? JUST GOT? ALL, THAT WAS SWEET. I'M TIRED. THANK YOU. 
          CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THE PROCESS? NOW IT IS GOING TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION. WHAT WILL HAPPEN? 
          >> IT WILL GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          >> INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION. PLANNING COMMISSION. AS FAR AS -- MUCH MORE DETAIL. PROBABLY SEND IT TO A COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS FURTHER. I WILL MAKE A MUCH MORE DETAILED PRESENTATION AS WE ALWAYS DO. AND ONCE THEY LOOK INTO IT , ONCE THEY DISCUSS IT , THEY MAY MAKE A COUPLE OF ADJUSTMENTS , CORRECTIONS, ET CETERA. AND THEN THEY WILL SEND IT BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL TO YOU PROBABLY IN ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF OR SO. UNLESS WE HAVE A VERY SPIRITED DISCUSSION, WHICH I DO NOT ANTICIPATE AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS A PRETTY MUNDANE SET OF AMENDMENTS. SO AND THEN WANTS COUNCIL ACTS ON IT, FINAL ACTION IT WILL THEN BE -- THE UDO WILL THEN BE AMENDED AND WILL BE AMENDED BOTH IN PRINTED VERSION AS WELL AS OUR INTERACTIVE UDO. 
          >> COUNCIL GETS ANOTHER CHANCE TO VOTE ON THIS AGAIN WHEN IT COMES BACK. ANOTHER RESOLUTION THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY ACTION . I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO WATCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I DON'T WANT TO RUSH THIS, BUT DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> ALL RIGHT. SECONDED. PLEASE 
          VOTE. >> 
          [16.1. Letter of Engagement for Legal Services – Dentons Bingham Greenebaum LLP]
          >> ALL RIGHT. THIS PASSES. ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ADD-ON ITEMS. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY TONIGHT. OTHER BUSINESS? WE HAVE ONE ITEM. LETTER OF ENGAGEMENT FOR LEGAL SERVICES FROM DENTON'S, BINGHAM, LLP. THIS IS A LEGAL CONTRACT FOR A FIRM TO ASSIST US WITH THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS INITIATED AROUND THE 
          [02:30:01]
CHRISTKINDLMARKET . I WOULD ASK COUNCILOR LOCKE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ? I KNOW THIS DOCUMENT WAS CIRCULATED WITH COUNCIL. 
          >> SURE. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE ENGAGEMENT LETTER TO KICK OFF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN US AND BINGHAM GREENBAUM LLP. THE GOAL WAS TO FIND A LAW FIRM AND CONNECTIONS TO THINGS LIKE THE ABILITY TO DO INVESTIGATIONS LIKE THIS WITH A REGION THAT UNDERSTOOD KIND OF A BROADER SUBSET OF THE WORLD AND DID NOT HAVE DIRECT RELATIONSHIPS TO CARMEL THAT WOULD BECOME CONFLICTS OR POTENTIAL CONFLICTS. IT IS A HARD UNDERTAKING. WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR TEAM AND DECIDED THAT WAS A GOOD PATH TO GO. THOUGHT ABOUT GOING THROUGH A PROCESS OF DOING AN OPEN RFQ AND FINDING OTHER SOURCES. BUT REALLY BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO HONE IN ON, IT MADE SENSE TO FIND ONE THAT MADE SENSE FOR OUR NEEDS. SO BEFORE YOU BEGIN, THIS IS AN ENGAGEMENT LETTER. THE GOAL IS TO SET A FOUNDATION FOR HOW WE ARE GOING TO GO ABOUT DOING THE INVESTIGATION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, IT LOOKS MODERATELY BROAD. THAT IS ON PURPOSE TO OPEN INITIAL ROUND OF CONVERSATIONS PUTTING US BEHIND ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT WE COME TO THE APPROPRIATE SCOPE. I SHARE THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE , AGAIN, KEEPING IT BROAD ALLOWS US TO KIND OF GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER AND BRING THE INVESTIGATION TEAM AT DENTON'S TO HELP US SHAPE WHAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE LOOKING INTO, WHICH WILL BE ANOTHER KIND OF DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE. AT THAT POINT. BUT AGAIN, THE GOAL HERE IS TO OPEN THE PROCESS OF SHARING INFORMATION BEHIND THAT RELATIONSHIP IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS US TO GET MORE THOUGHTS, FEEDBACK, HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TO BUILD THAT ULTIMATE SCOPE. THE NUMBER IS 125,000 NOT TO EXCEED. THAT NUMBER WILL COME DOWN AS WE LOOK AT WHAT THAT SCOPE IS AND NARROW IT FROM THERE. BUT KNOW FULL WELL THAT WITH ME LEADING THE INVESTIGATION NECESSARY AND WHAT MATTERS FOR THE INVESTIGATION. 
          SO WOULD LOVE TO ASK FOR THE COUNCIL . COUNCIL HERE. THE COMMITTEE SET UP TO OVERSEE THIS THAT I AM HEADING TO SUPPORT THIS SO WE CAN START THE BALL ROLLING ON NEXT STEPS WITH OUR ATTORNEYS SO THIS MOVES THE WAY THAT IT NEEDS TO MOVE. 
          >> BEFORE COMMENTS, I WORKED WITH COUNCILOR LOCKE ON THIS. I THINK HE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. I WAS CONCERNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT HE ASSURED ME THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TRACKING THIS CLOSELY . AND IT WON'T BE A SURPRISE WITH A GIANT BILL AT THE END. BUT WE ALSO DID NOT WANT TO HAMSTRING WITH A SMALL AMOUNT AND SUDDENLY HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN. SO WITH THAT, QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR GREEN . 
          >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE. AND I HAVE COMPLETE CONFIDENCE. TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS. AS COUNCILOR LOCKE SAID, THE SCOPE IS MODERATELY BROAD. FOR A LEGAL CONTRACT. REALLY FREAKING BROAD . SO MY CONCERNS ARE WITH THE SCOPE . IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE KIND OF KNOW WHAT IS OUT THERE. WE'RE GOING TO HIRE A LAW FIRM, PAY THEM 125,000 . JUST KIND OF GO LOOK. YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. VERY BROAD SCOPE . 125,000. 200 TO 700 SOUNDS LIKE A LOT. SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SPENDING A LOT MORE ON LEGAL COUNSEL THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST. $125,000 . A FISHING EXPEDITION. I WOULD LIKE TO LIMIT THE SCOPE IT ALSO, IF WE ARE INVESTIGATING, IT IS VERY LIMITED TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. 
          SHOULD WE INCLUDE THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH ON THE PART THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH HAS PLAYED IN POTENTIALLY UNDERMINING NEGOTIATIONS. UNDERMINING THE WORK THE MAYOR AND WITH THE BOARD . YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE KIND OF GOING AFTER THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND INTENTIONALLY EXCLUDING OURSELVES TO A VERY BROAD INVESTIGATION . SO I WOULD LIKE TO LIMIT THE SCOPE. INCLUDE THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH . PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE INTERVIEWED AND INVESTIGATED AS WELL. 
          >> YEAH. AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND THE INTENT OF THE BROADNESS IS YOU CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION . YOU CAN HAVE IT AT THIS DAIS ALL DAY, BUT YOU CAN HAVE IT WITH THE LAW FIRM. 
          GREAT EXAMPLE TO ALL OF US TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT WANTS TO TALK TO THIS LAW FIRM . OF THE FEEDBACK WE ARE LOOKING TO PUT IN SO WE CAN NARROW IT TO SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS 
          [02:35:01]
TO THIS INVESTIGATION. I DID THINK ABOUT NARROWING THAT SCOPE ON ITS FRONT END TO WHAT I THINK THE ISSUES ARE, BUT AGAIN, TO BE A CUSTODIAN OF THIS THE RIGHT WAY, I HAD TO STAY OBJECTIVE AND RATIONAL OF THE IDEA OF CREATING THIS PLATFORM FOR US TO DO THAT AND TO SHAPE THAT SCOPE APPROPRIATELY SEEMED TO BE THE RIGHT PATH. FULLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND HAVING TO TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION AS WE GO TO THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY BUILDING THE SCOPE. HARD TO DO. I WILL SAY ONE OF THE PIECES OF THIS THAT HAS BEEN MODERATELY FRUSTRATING THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS AND ITERATIONS WE HAVE GONE THROUGH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BEST WAYS AND BEST PRACTICES HERE IS THE CONCEPT OF THE CITY'S LEGAL COUNSEL DOES NOT POTENTIALLY WORK FOR US IN MATTERS THAT WE ARE IN DIFFERENT POSITIONS WITH OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY . THAT COULD BE CORRECT OR NOT CORRECT. IT IS A GREAT WAY TO PROTECT LEGAL COUNSEL FROM FEAR AND HARM A POTENTIAL CONFLICT ON THEIR END . AND I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT. THE REASON WE ARE HIRING OUTSIDE LAW FIRMS TO HELP US DO THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF PERFORMING THIS FUNCTION FOR US. KEEPING OUR CORPORATE COUNSEL SEPARATE FROM THAT PUTS THEM IN THAT SAME BOAT AND PROTECTS THE REST OF ALL OF OUR LEGAL HELP WE NEED ON A DAILY BASIS WITH THE OTHER THINGS WE DO IN A DIFFERENT CONE OF PROTECTION. 
          BUT THIS WILL ALLOW US TO KIND OF SHAPE THAT APPROPRIATELY. DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT ON MY OWN. SPECIFICALLY WITH THE CONCEPT WITH THE ENTIRE COUNCIL . AGAIN, HAPPY TO TAKE WHATEVER FEEDBACK TO SHAPE THAT . ALSO MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE A STAB AT DOING THAT WITHOUT ENGAGING COUNSEL. BUT I DON'T THINK IT 
          IS THE RIGHT PATH . >> COUNCILOR TAYLOR. 
          >> YOU KNOW, BROAD SCOPE USUALLY MEANS LOTS OF LEGAL FEES. THANKS FOR TALKING WITH ME ABOUT THAT EARLIER. ALSO WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT US IN A POSITION IN THE CURRENT LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY TO DISCLOSE INFORMATION THAT MAY HURT OUR POSITION. THE BIG QUESTION I HAVE IS RIGHT NOW IS AS I'M GOING THROUGH OUR COUNCIL APPROVED BUDGET , KNOWING WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT ON TED THIS YEAR , AND THEN ALSO OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ON WHAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH WITH FINANCIAL TO UNDERSTAND IMPACTS . CAPACITY, ET CETERA. I DON'T SEE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND THIS OUT OF OUR EXISTING BUDGET. SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO START WORKING ON AN APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE FOR ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION FROM THE GENERAL FUND. 
          >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> FULLY AGREE WITH COUNCILOR TAYLOR. THIS KIND OF SUPPORTS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH THE CORRIDOR STUDY . THE VARIOUS THINGS THIS COUNCIL ONCE REAL HARD FACTS FOR ALL COST MONEY. DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE LAWYER. THE OTHER THING IS WE HIRE A LAW FIRM TO WRITE THE SCOPE FOR ANOTHER LAW FIRM, WHICH I DON'T THINK IT IS PRUDENT. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS. FURTHERMORE SO THERE IS NOT STICKER SHOCK. IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THE THINGS WE ALL COLLECTIVELY FEEL OUR BEST FOR THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          PUT THAT OUT THERE AS WE GOING TO BUDGET SEASON. THE COUNCIL BUDGET IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN ALL OF THE WORK WE HAVE COMMITTED TO UNLESS WE DO START INCREASING OUR BUDGET. 
          THIS IS NOT A REASON. BUT IT LENDS ITSELF TO WHY I DID NOT WANT TO IMMEDIATELY APPROPRIATE THE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND IF THERE ARE OTHER MEANS. PLENTY OF MONEY THERE. BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT WE REDUCED ON THE FRONT END LAST YEAR. 
          COUNCILOR LOCKE, I THINK THIS IS GREAT. WE WOULD NOT HAVE ALL UNANIMOUSLY IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FULL CONFIDENCE FOR YOU TO 
          DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. I WILL SAY THIS PROCESS COSTS MORE THAN $125,000. THE SCOPE WILL BE BROUGHT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE BROUGHT. THAT WILL BE A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING. AND WE WILL HAVE SIGNALS OF THAT LONG BEFORE WE HAVE SPENT A DOLLAR, WHICH I PROMISE IN MY CAPACITY OVERSEEING THIS TO BRING BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO ENSURE WE DON'T UP TO 125, THAT MIGHT STILL REQUIRE APPROPRIATION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET. AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. BUT ALSO 
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COUNCILOR LOCKE WAS SAYING THERE IS WORK BEING AN ATTORNEY HIMSELF. THERE'S THINGS WE CAN DO TO MAYBE NOT REACH THAT 125. 
          BUT WE DID NOT WANT TO HAMSTRING OURSELVES. COUNCILOR WORRELL, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU WANTED TO MAKE ? 
          >> NO. I'M FINE. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. NOT TO PICK ON THEM, BUT THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION IN INDIANAPOLIS RECENTLY WHERE AN ATTORNEY WAS HIRED TO COMPILE A REPORT AND IT WAS FOUND OUT THAT CERTAIN ITEMS WERE PURPOSELY LEFT OUT OF THAT REPORT THAT NOW THEY ARE GOING BACK AND PUTTING MORE MONEY IN . 
          AND THE MATTER IS CONTINUING ON AND ON AND ON. AND IT ALSO CREATES A TRUST ISSUE WHEN THERE'S THINGS THAT THE ATTORNEYS FOUND OUT IN THEIR SEARCHING INTO THIS MATTER THAT THEY DECIDED NOT TO INCLUDE. THAT IS WHY I THINK THE BROADER INTERPRETATION IS HELPFUL BECAUSE IF WE START SAYING, YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT THIS. YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THAT . WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE MISTRUST WHERE WE ARE PURPOSELY HIDING SOMETHING. 
          >> FULLY AGREE. >> MR. PRESIDENT , ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU AND THE FULL COUNCIL AS WE HAVE NEW COUNCILORS, AS A CHECK AND BALANCE, LEGISLATIVE BRANCH CAN SUBPOENA ANY TIME WITH A MAJORITY VOTE ANYTHING IT WANTS , WHICH SEEMS TO BE SOMETIMES A LOT CHEAPER THAN HIRING A LAW FIRM TO WRITE A CONTRACT FOR A LAW FIRM AND SPENDING 200 TO 700 BUCKS AN HOUR TO INVESTIGATE THE MAYOR ON SOMETHING IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT, AGAIN, LOOKS LIKE A FISHING EXPEDITION. 
          YOU KNOW, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE MOTION TO AMEND THE CONTRACT TO INCLUDE INVESTIGATIVE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH MEMBERS ALONG WITH EXECUTIVE BRANCH MEMBERS. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? 
          >> SECOND. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY CONVERSATION? COUNCILOR LOCKE? 
          >> YEAH. AGAIN, I THINK BROAD IS FINE. THE GOAL WILL BE TO NARROW THE SCOPE ON WHAT ACTUALLY SHOWS UP THEIR INITIAL DISCUSSION. SO 
          I HAVE NO CONCERNS WITH THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. MOTION AND SECOND. 
          DO WE WANT TO VOTE? ALL RIGHT. LET'S DO THE VOICE VOTE. 
          >> 
          >> WE ARE WORKING WITH THE AMENDED LETTER OF ENGAGEMENT . 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> I DO. 
          >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> I DON'T DISCOUNT WHAT COUNCILOR GREEN IS SAYING. I AGREE WITH IT 100%. BUT IT'S THE FIRST TIME IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, AND THIS ENTIRE PROCESS HAS BEEN , LIKE IT OR NOT -- I HAVE NOT LIKED IT FOR A MAJORITY OF IT -- ON THE ADMINISTERED OF SIDE. AND I DON'T THINK -- I THINK FOR THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE TO NOW DO AN -- OPEN UP AN INVESTIGATION UPON ITSELF ONLY OPENS US UP FOR MORE SCRUTINY. I THINK THIS IS FOOLISH. IF THAT WAS PART OF THE MISSION, THEN THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE JOINTLY HIRED A FIRM THAT NO ONE EVER TALKS TO. TO DO THIS INVESTIGATION. HERE WE ARE. WE JUST AGREED TO INVESTIGATE OURSELVES , WHICH IS FINE, EXCEPT I THINK WE JUST COMPROMISED THE INVESTIGATION BY DOING SO AND IT REALLY TICKS ME 
          OFF. >> YEAH. COUNCILOR GREEN. 
          >> WE HAD DISCUSSION ON SHOULD WE INVESTIGATE OR NOT. THERE IS CLEARLY -- AND I WASN'T THROWING ANY EVIDENCE, BUT CLEARLY THE APPEARANCE OF POLITICAL MOTIVATION BEHIND THIS . AND FOR A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS SAYING, NO, WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THE EXECUTIVE BUT WHATEVER WE DO SOMEHOW PROTECTED OR NOT RELEVANT OR NOT IMPORTANT. THAT IS COMPLETELY LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT INTEGRITY , HONESTY. IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS , PUT ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE. YOU KNOW, PUT ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE. BE HONEST. 
          HIGH-LEVEL INTEGRITY . TRANSPARENT. LET THE CARDS FALL AS THEY MAY. BUT TO INTENTIONALLY POTENTIALLY HIDE SOMETHING -- I THINK THAT IS MORE PROBLEMATIC. 
          >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS HIDING ANYTHING, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS. OBVIOUSLY I HAVE GOT UP UNTIL OUR LAST MEETING. IF IT IS ZERO ATTACHMENT TO ANY OF THIS. 
          MOST OF US CAN SAY REALLY IT IS YOU -- YOU AND JEFF . AND I GUESS THAT'S IT. SO HOW DOES THIS -- FROM THE CURRENT 
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COUNCIL. WHERE DOES THIS STOP ? NOT CONFLICTED BECAUSE HE 
          WASN'T INVOLVED IN ANY OF THIS. >> IF WE'RE DOING A FISHING EXPEDITION, LET'S INVESTIGATE ALL OF US. 
          >> COUNCILOR GREEN, I'M GOING TO JUMP IN. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT A FISHING INVESTIGATION, AND I DON'T WANT A FISHING INVESTIGATION. WELL, WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH COUNCILOR LOCKE. I THINK WE ARE PUTTING A LOT OF TRUST IN YOU, COUNCILOR LOCKE. I KNOW. BUT, I MEAN, TO MAKE SURE WE ARE STAYING ON WHAT MATTERS TO THE VOTERS OF CARMEL. I WOULD HATE FOR US TO GET INTO, HEY, LET'S TRY TO MAKE THE MAYOR BAD. AND WE LOOK SILLY. AND WE DID NOT SOLVE ANYTHING THAT ACTUALLY MATTERED FOR THE PEOPLE OF CARMEL. 
          >> WHY ARE WE -- INVESTIGATION? WE HAVE NO SCOPE. YOU KNOW, WE 
          ARE SPENDING MONEY. >> PUT IT INTO THE 
          INVESTIGATION. >> WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT? NOT TO CUT OFF CONVERSATION. I WANT US TALL STAY FRIENDS. ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE. SO MOVED. 
          SECONDED. ALL RIGHT. LET'S DO A VOICE VOTE. 
          >> 
          [17. ANNOUNCEMENTS]
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CONVERSATION. ANNOUNCEMENTS. ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE COUNCIL TONIGHT? COUNCILOR SNYDER . 
          >> I JUST WANT TO GO BACK. CLEARLY WE JUST ENDED ON SOMETHING WE DISAGREE ON. BUT BEFORE THAT WE HAD A 5-4 VOTE . 
          AND I SAID THIS BEFORE. WHAT I THINK IS REALLY AWESOME ABOUT ALL OF YOU AND WHY I LOVE ALL OF YOU IS THAT OUR 5-4 VOTE AS FAR AS I CAN RECALL HAVE NOT BEEN THE SAME . AND THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT SHOWS THAT THERE ARE NOT WEIRD FACTIONS. COUNCILOR GREEN WILL CONTINUE TO BE BEST FRIENDS LIKE I WILL WITH EVERYBODY UP HERE . AND WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME AND SHOULD BE TO THE PEOPLE OF CARMEL IS THAT WE -- EVERYBODY COMES FROM -- EVERYBODY'S VOTE I TRULY BELIEVE FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART ON THIS COUNCIL WHETHER THEY ARE FOR OR AGAINST SOMETHING COMES FROM THE RIGHT PLACE AND COMES WITH THE BEST INTENTIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DISAGREED ON THIS, BUT I LOVE YOU. AND WE WILL MOVE ON JUST LIKE I WAS EIGHT EVERYBODY ELSE UP HERE. SO I'M JUST SO PROUD OF ALL OF YOU AND I LOVE THIS COUNCIL. OBVIOUSLY I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO RECOGNIZE HOW WELL WE WORK TOGETHER. 
          >> COUNCILOR GREEN . >> I WILL SECOND THE LOVE. 
          >> NOT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, BUT IF PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE NOW THAT WE HAVE A LAW FIRM WOULD BE HE IS GOING TO WORK WITH THEM TO FIND THE BEST WAY FOR OUR QUESTIONS TO GET TO COUNCILOR LOCKE AND THE ATTORNEYS. THE ATTORNEYS WILL OBJECTIVELY AND UNBIASED REALLY SEARCH FOR ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE. SO START THINKING OF THE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE QUESTIONS, SEND THEM TO YOUR FAVORITE CITY COUNCILOR. WITH THAT, ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS TONIGHT? MOVED
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