Jul 15, 2025 Carmel Plan Commission

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[B. Pledge of Allegiance]

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ORDER. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL

[D. Declaration of Quorum ]

[E. Approval of Minutes ]

A QUORUM. NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 17, 2025 MEETING. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> SO MOVED. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES SAY AYE. OPPOSED? SEEING NONE, THEY ARE APPROVED. NEXT UP ARE THE COMMUNICATION BILLS AND

EXPENDITURES AND LEGAL COUNSEL. >> NOTHING TO REPORT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA IS REPORTS, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND DEPARTMENT CONCERNS AND I WILL TURN IT OVER

TO OUR DEPARTMENT STAFF. ALEXIA? >> THANK YOU. NOTHING TO REPORT,

EITHER. >> THANK YOU. THAT WAS VERY QUICK. THAT BRINGS US TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING. WE HAVE THREE DOCKETS ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARING. SO JUST TO SET IN ADVANCE, OUR PLAN COMMISSION PROCEDURES FOR PUBLIC HEARING ARE THAT THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION. WE'LL THEN OPEN IT UP FOR 20 MINUTES OF PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU CAN SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION OF THE PETITION. THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE REBUTTAL COMMENTS. AT THAT POINT, WE'LL TURN OVER TO THE DEPARTMENT STAFF FOR THEIR COMMENT. UPON CONCLUSION, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING IS CLOSED

[H.1. Docket No. PZ-2025-00102 PP/SP: Vance Minor Subdivision ]

>> GOOD EVENING. I AM CHARLIE MATTOX AND HERE WITH TONY VANCE HERE AS WELL IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. THE ADDRESS IS 2911 EAST SMOKY ROW AT KEYSTONE PARKWAY AND SMOKY ROW. AND ZONED R-2 AND THERE WERE STRUCTURES AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. THE REST OF THE SITE IS ROUGHLY GRASS LAWN. AT THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE SITE IS WOODED AND A LITTLE -- COOL CREEK, SORRY, RUNS ALONG THE SOUTH BORDER. SHOULD BE BRIEF BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS PRETTY SIMPLE. THIS CITIZEN MINOR PLAT, AND THE OWNER LOOKS TO SUBDIVIDE INTO LOT ONE HIS HOME AND LOT TWO TO BE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME TO BE SOLD TO SOMEONE ELSE. THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE SITE WITH THE WOODS AND COOL CREEK AND THE VEGETATION AREA WILL ALL BE A COMMON AREA. I DID GET A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT. I THINK THERE WERE THREE MAJOR ISSUES THAT WERE STILL OUTSTANDING. NUMBER ONE WAS THE RIGHT OF WAY. SMOKY ROW HAS SUFFICIENT RIGHT OF WAY WITH THE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM DEDICATING THE RIGHT OF WAY. THE OTHER THING WAS THE

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BUT IN ANY CASE, WE WERE AGREEABLE TO THE COMMENTS. THE REASON SHE HASN'T SEEN THE PLAT WITH ALL THE COMMENTS IS SHE WAS WORKING WITH THINGS WHILE WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY ENGINEER. SO WITH THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO PASS IT OVER.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. BY A SHOW OF HANDS, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PETITION? ONE PERSON? OR TWO? I'M SORRY.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS AGAIN. I'M SORRY. I WOULD ASK FOR EACH OF YOU THAT WE WILL ALLOT THREE MINUTES FOR EACH OF YOU TO SPEAK IF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM ONE AT A TIME AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE, AND WE WILL RUN THE TIMER. WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS THE LIGHTS GREEN, YELLOW OR RED. WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT READY TO RUN OUT OF TIME, IT'S YELLOW AND WHEN YOU

ARE OUT OF TIME, IT WILL BE RED. >> MY NAME IS JOHN COMPTON, COMPTON REALTY IN CARMEL. I AM A BOARD MEMBER OF A NURSING HOME ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY WHICH WE ARE PART OF. WE ARE FOR THE PROJECT. MY ONLY CONCERN IS I DON'T THINK THERE HAS EVER BEEN ANYTHING PERMANENT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD ACCESS AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO HAVE ACCESS SO I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE NURSING HOME TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T AFFECT OUR EGRESS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ON SMOKY ROW.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WOULD THE NEXT PERSON PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND AGAIN,

PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> CAROLYN, AND WE LIVE BRENTWOOD LANE. WE HAVE THE SECOND HOUSE ON THE RIGHT. SO WILL BE LOOKING AT TONY'S PROPERTY. BUT I AM ALSO REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE BRENTWOOD HOA HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. WE ARE ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF THIS TO WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS GOING IN THERE AND THAT'S GREAT. MY ONLY QUESTION

IS WHERE THE HOUSE IS LOCATED. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> BUT WE ARE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND OUR LAST PERSON,

PLEASE. >> MAY SNIPE ALLISON BROWN. AND I LIVE AT WEST 100 SIXTH STREET SINCE 1965. I AM DELIGHTED TO WELCOME A PROJECT THAT WILL NOT GIVE US COMMERCIAL HIGH DENSITY AND IT LOOKS LIKE A LOVELY PROJECT AND I AM GLAD SO MUCH OF THE WOODS IS BEING SAVED FOR EVERYONE WHO LIVES AROUND THE

PROJECT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WOULD THE PETITIONER LIKE TO PROVIDE REBUTTAL COMMENTS?

>> THE FIRST COMMENT WAS ABOUT ACCESS TO THE NURSING HOME SO THE SHARED DRIVE COMES OFF SMOKY ROW AND SPLITS OFF STILL IN THE RIGHT OF WAY SO IT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. I WILL DOUBLE CHECK WHEN I GET BACK TO THE OFFICE IF ACCESS IS NECESSARY ON ANY PART OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN AN EASEMENT WILL BE PROVIDED. AS FAR AS WHERE THE NEW HOMES ARE GOING TO BE, IF MISTER -- IF TONY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND POINT ON THE AERIAL?

>> IF YOU COULD PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM SO THAT THE RECORDING

WILL PICK IT UP? >> I'M LOUD. SO IT WILL BE IN LINE PROBABLY WITH THIS PROPERTY LINE GOING BACK -- I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANOTHER PORTION OF THE SITE THAT WILL DEAL WITH OLD TOWN. BUT WE ARE STAYING NORTH OF THAT AND IT WILL BE ESSENTIALLY ONE HOUSE HERE AND ONE HOUSE HERE THAT WILL BE IN

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER REBUTTAL COMMENTS?

>> I DON'T THINK SO. WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE DEPARTMENT

STAFF FOR YOUR COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH THE ZONING OFFICE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OUTSTANDING ITEMS FOR THE PROJECT. BUT IN GENERAL, THIS IS CONSIDERED A MINOR SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY PROPOSING TWO LOTS, AND THERE IS NO NEW STREETS THAT ARE BEING BUILT WITH THIS. AND OUTSTANDING ITEMS TO ADDRESS, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE LITTLE PORTION. SO THAT WILL SATISFY THAT COMMENT. THE 10-FOOTPATH IS REQUIRED ALONG SMOKY ROW. THEY SAID THEY WOULD DEDICATE THE FUNDS. WE ALWAYS LIKE TO SEE IT BUILT FIRST BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER SEGMENT THAT WOULD ALL CONNECT ALONG THERE AND MAYBE THEY CAN CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND WE WILL HAVE A FULL HALF CONNECTION AND THEN THE LAST ITEM WAS WATER QUALITY PRESERVATION EASIMENT ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN. AND THAT IS TO HELP NOT ENCROACH INTO THE FLOODPLAIN. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLAT GOES THROUGH COMMITTEE FOR THE FINAL VOTING COMMITTEE AND MAKE THE CHANGES TO THE PLANS TO VERIFY THEM AND GET IT APPROVED IN THERE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL OPEN IT UP TO MY FELLOW PLAN

COMMISSIONERS FOR COMMENTS. >> MY ONLY QUESTION OR CONCERN IS I HAVE BEEN TO THE NURSING HOME SEVERAL TIMES. HARD TO GET IN THERE IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THERE AND FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU ARE GOING. AND I WAS WONDERING AS IF PART OF YOUR PETITION, YOU COULD GET YOUR SIGNAGE UP BECAUSE IT WILL BE A

SHARED ACCESS. IS THAT CORRECT? >> SORRY. I SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED EARLIER. THE NEW HOMES WILL HAVE A SHARED DRIVE AT THE LOT LINE BETWEEN THEM AND IT LINES UP WITH THE DRIVEWAY ACROSS THE ROAD. SO THAT DRIVEWAY WILL REMAIN BECAUSE OF THE NURSING HOME'S ACCESS. BUT THE NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES,

THEY WILL HAVE A NEW DRIVEWAY. >> I'M SORRY. THEY'LL HAVE A?

>> A NEW DRIVEWAY. >> THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY WILL BE

EXTENDED YOU ARE SAYING? >> YES.

>> SO IS THERE A SECOND CUT-IN OFF SMOKY ROW FOR YOUR DRIVE

NOW? HAS THAT ALWAYS BEEN THERE? >> NO. NOT CURRENTLY. THEY WILL

BE ADDING ONE. >> OKAY.THAT'S A PRETTY BUSY

INTERSECTION. >> I IMAGINE A SECOND WILL ALLEVIATE THE BURDEN FOR THE HOMES THERE.

>> OKAY. MY CONCERN IN GENERAL IS THE CONVOLUTED ROUNDABOUT. IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GO NORTH INTO CARMEL, IT'S KIND OF TREACHEROUS. AND ROUTES A RIGHT IN AND THEN ANOTHER RIGHT IN BUT IT'S NOT ON THE PROPERTY BUT NEXT TO IT.

>> JUST TO SHOW SCALE, NOT CLEAR BUT THE DRIVEWAY IS HERE ON THE WEST BOUNDARY AND THE TWO NEW DRIVEWAYS -- SORRY. SINGLE DRIVEWAY SHARED FOR BOTH PROPERTIES. THAT'S TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF DRY CUTS ON SMOKY ROW. THAT WILL BE RIGHT HERE IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY. SO THIS DRIVEWAY WILL BE

ESSENTIALLY LEFT. >> THE SAME ENTRANCE?

>> YEAH. >> OKAY. AND THE CITY OKAY WITH

THAT. >> WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLY ON TO MAKE SURE IT'S OKAY AND PUBLIC WORKINGS AS WELL AND THEIR ASK IS THAT IT'S A SINGLE DRIVE FOR BOTH HOMES AND THEN LINES UP ACROSS THE STREET. NOT SURE IF YOU CAN -- IT'S RIGHT THERE. MAKING IT AS SAFE AS WE CAN.

>> SORRY. I THOUGHT INITIALLY I SAID THEY DIDN'T SHARE A DRIVE.

>> THAT'S MY FAULT. >> OKAY.

>> COUNCILMEMBER MINNAAR? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY WALK THAT AREA AND MY ONLY CONCERN IS YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDER FINISHING

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>> ADAM? >> IS THAT COMMUNITY SPACE OR

COMMON? >> IT'S COMMON AREA. IT'S RETENTION FOR THE PROPERTY AND ALSO TO MEET THE OBLIGATIONS FOR WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE NORTH END AS WELL.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND SINCE THIS WAS NORTH END TO THE OFF-SITE STORAGE EXACTLY WHERE IS THAT WATER RETENTION SITE GOING TO BE

ON THIS PROPERTY? >> I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT ASK. THIS IS THE SIZE AND LOCATION OF THE POND. THIS RIGHT HERE IS BASICALLY -- WELL, THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE POND IS WHERE THE WOODS START. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE MESSING WITH THE TREES, LEAVING THE WOODS AS IS. THAT'S ON PLAIN. IGNORE THE ADDITIONAL STUFF. THAT'S TEMPORARY EARTH WORK AND WHATNOT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE A

MOTION? >> MOVE TO SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE WITH COMMITTEE HAVING FINAL VOTING.

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS MATTER TO THE COMMITTEE WITH THE COMMITTEE HAVING FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY PLEASE SAY AYE? ANY

[H.2. Docket No. 2025-00126 CPA: Home Place Subarea Plan – Comprehensive Plan Amendment ]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. AND PLEASE GIVE US A SECOND TO GET SET UP HERE.

>> THIS EFFORT MARKED THE BEGINNING OF ANOTHER PHASE OF THE HOME PLACE SUB AREA PLAN. AND MANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS AS WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS SINCE LAST SUMMER WITH THE HELP OF YARD AND COMPANY, OUR CONSULTANTS AND JOE AND DANIELLA ARE ONLINE VIRTUALLY JOINING US FOR ANY QUESTIONS. AND THIS PLAN HAS BEEN -- AS I MENTIONED, IT'S BEEN MORE THAN A YEAR LONG. WE PAUSED PART OF THE WAY THROUGH AS IT WAS DETERMINED THAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO GET MORE INPUT AND TAKE MORE TIME AND HELP WITH REACHING THE COMMUNITY AND GETTING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. SO WE PAUSED. WE MIRE HIRED ON BOARD COMMUNE AMBASSADORS TO THE PROJECT TO HELP US TO GET THE WORD OUT AND TALKED WITH FOLKS, RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES. WHAT IS BEFORE YOU IS A -- IS A SUBAREA PLAN PROPOSAL. AND THE AREA THAT LED UP TO THE PROCESS LEADS TO A SECOND DOCUMENT SO THIS LARGER DOCUMENT CALLED THIS IS HOME. IT'S A 90-SOME-PAGE DOCUMENT

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SO ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN THE PROJECT AND ALL OF THE PHASES THAT HAVE LED TO THIS MOMENT ARE ONLINE ON THE PROHIBIT'S WEBSITE CALLED WWW THISIS HOMEPLACE.COM. AND YOU WILL SEE ALL THE PHASES TO BUILDING THE PLAN. AND IF YOU HAVE TIME, I WON'T SHOW IT THIS EVENING, BUT THERE IS A SIX-MINUTE VIDEO THAT HIGHLIGHTS COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND KIND OF THE OVER ALL PROCESS THAT WE AREN'T THROUGH TO BRING US HERE THIS EVENING. BUT BACK TO THE SUBAREA PLAN ITSELF, I MENTIONED -- HERE IS THE LARGER DOCUMENT THAT OUTLINES A LOT OF THE BRANDING AND THE GUIDE TO ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURES TO A NEW MAIN STREET ORGANIZATION FOR THE THE 106 STREET BUSINESS DISTRICT. AND WE HAVE FOLKS EXCITED TO DIG IN ON THAT PROCESS. WE HAVE WORK TO DO TO FORMALIZE THAT RELATIONSHIP AND FIGURE OUT SOME OF THE DETAILS.

BUT THIS EVENING, THE PROPOSAL IS A STREAMLINED VERSION OF SOME OF THE CONTENTS OF THIS IS HOME PLAN. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO ADOPT INTO THE PLAN WHICH IS A CITY WIDE DOCUMENT BUT AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2022, THAT WAS WHERE THE PERHAPS THAT WE WOULD COME BACK WITH VARIOUS SUBAREA PLANS AND THE U.S. 131 CORRIDOR IS ONE OF THOSE AND THERE ARE A VARIETY OF SUBAREA PLANS THAT WERE ADOPTED AS PART OF THE 2009 CONFERENCE AND WE ARE NOW COMING TO UPDATE SOME OF THOSE FOR THIS NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO GETTING TO THE PROPOSED PLAN ITSELF. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BOUNDARY OF OUR STUDY AREA. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. OVER TIME, THERE WAS THE ANNEXATION AREA THAT I BELIEVE ONLY EXTENDED TO AROUND 111 STREET AND THE HOME PLACE OVERLAY ZONE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2002 INCLUDED 111TH TO 116TH STREET.

LET ME ZOOM FROM ON THIS AND THE SUBAREA -- I'MSORRY. THE OVERLAY ZONE TRAILS OVER TO WESTFIELD BOULEVARD. WE DECIDED SETTING THE BOUNDARIES WE HAD, SETTING THE TEAM IN THE AREA, WE WANTED TO BE INCLUSIVE TO ALL OF THE AREAS. WE USED THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MAP AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS KIND OF A GUIDE ESPECIALLY ALONG THIS WESTERN EDGE. SO GENERALLY WHAT WE STUDIED IS 116TH STREET TO THE NORTH, WESTFIELD BOULEVARD TO THE EAST. WE FOLLOWED THE IMAGINATION 96TH STREET DOWN TO THE COUNTY LINE AT WITH WESTFIELD BOULEVARD EXTENDING WEST. WE WENT TO 465 OUTLYING THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, MORE IN

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THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS IN THE WORKS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF. THE COLLEGE AVENUE RECONSTRUCTION IS FRONT AND CENTER WITH EVERYONE LIVING IN HOME PLACE. THE CLOSURE OF THE ORCHARD PARK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND FIGURING OUT AS CARMEL PLACE SCHOOLS FIGURE OUT, AND THE NEW ROUNDABOUT AT 106TH AND WESTFIELD BOULEVARD AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF 111TH AND 10. THE GROWTH STRATEGY SECTION, THIS IS A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE ELEMENTS.

THIS IS HOME PLAN THAT YOU WILL FIND MUCH MORE DETAIL AND THINGS THAT ARE INTENDED TOOK IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT IT TALKING ABOUT DEFINING -- DEFINING WHO WE ARE, AND WE TALKED WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THEIR DEEP PRIDE IN THE AREA AND THEIR STEWARDSHIP WAS VERY STRONG THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO THAT IS FRONT AND CENTER AND FIRST AND FOREMOST IN EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING IT HERE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS RELEVANT TO HOME PLACE, THE LONGEST STANDING IS THE HOME PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION WHICH HAS BEEN DOING WORK IN THE AREA AS A RESIDENT ORGANIZATION FOR A LONG TIME, AND THEY WERE PART OF THE ANNEXATION A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND I THINK THE ANNEXATION HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A FEW YEARS NOW AND THEIR -- THEY'RE, I GUESS, EVALUATING THEIR ROLE AND THEIR FUTURE AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP THEM INFORMED AND USING THEIR PLATFORM TO TRY AND GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT OUR PROJECT. BUT THE 106TH AND COLLEGE IS A NEW PLAN TO FOLLOW THE NATIONAL MAIN STREET ORGANIZATION. WE HAVE A

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AND THAT REALLY SETS THE PUBLIC REALM AND FOLKS AND HOW THEY INTERACT AND REACT TO AN AREA. AND THIS TALKS ABOUT PLANTING AND FIXTURES AND LIGHTING IN THAT AREA, IMPROVING PATIOS AND GARDENS. AND AGAIN, 16 FEET. AN ACTIVATING THE BUSINESS DISTRICT, BASED ON THE SUCCESS IN THE EXCITEMENT OF THE BLOCK PARTY THAT TOOK PLACE IN MAY AND THE SCULPTURE DEDICATION AND WE WERE ABLE TO CO-OP THAT INTO A JOINT EVENT THAT AFTERNOON THIS IS ABOUT CREATING EVENTS WITH PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THE AREA TO ENJOY AND GIVING A PLACE FOR RESIDENTS TO GATHER BY HAPPENSTANCE OR ON PURPOSE AS A MASTER PLAN. LONGER TERM POSSIBILITIES ARE CENTERED UPON OPPORTUNITIES FOR -- IF SOMEONE -- IF DEVELOPMENT WERE TO TAKE PLACE. IF SOMEONE WERE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY, WE NEED TO BE READY WITH A PLAN. WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT VILLAGE SALE OVER HIGHRISE MIXED USE IS THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AND WANTS TO REMAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AND WE WANT TO BE READY FOR THE POSSIBILITY FOR THOSE THINGS AND HAVE -- THIS PLAN BEGINS TO TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL FINANCING TOOLS AND GRANT TO HELP WITH THE ACTIVITY. MORE COMMUNITY WIDE INITIATIVES, THIS IS HOME PLACE DISTRICT AREA, AND IT TALKS ABOUT PREAPPROVED COMMERCIAL AND CREATING RETAIL COTTAGES AND LOTS THAT ARE NOT USED TODAY OR IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO INVEST IN VACANT PROPERTY OR THEY COULD USE A PREAPPROVED PLAN, AND THESE WOULD NEED TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE CONCEPTS PROPOSED BY THE PLAN. THESE ARE NOT THE PLANS THEMSELVES. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A PRE-APPROVED PLAN COULD LOOK LIKE, AND ESTABLISHING HOME PLACE STREET STANDARDS, THERE IS A LANE, A PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD STREET AND PROPOSED LANE. AND THE LANE IS INTENDED MORE TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT IS THERE IN CHARACTER, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND THERE ARE PROPOSED CONNECTIONS I WILL SHOW YOU LATER IN THE PLAN. DESIGN AND POLICY GUIDANCE LIBERTY A NUMBER OF -- WHETHER STREETSCAPE OR PLANTERS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE BICYCLE PARKING AND

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BUT CERTAINLY A PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ESTABLISHED ALONG WITH THAT DISTRICT. AS TO WHAT THE INTENT WOULD BE THERE IS -- THIS COULD BE DISCUSSED GIVEN THE PLANT OVER LEI DISTRICT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE AREA BETWEEN THE GREENWAY AND WESTFIELD BOULEVARD. THERE PROPOSES THE POTENTIAL OF EXTENDING THE OVERLAY DISTRICT INTO THE AREA WHERE IT DOES NOT EXIST. AND THE REST OF THE BOUNDARIES, INCLUDING THE HOME PLACE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THE CENTER OF THE MAP ALREADY EXIST AND THE CENTER OF THE MAP AS WELL AS THE WEST HOME PLACE BUSINESS AREAS. AND IN THE SUBPLAN I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THE INITIATIVES BUT THIS MAP IDENTIFIES SOME OF THE KEY AREAS FROM THE BUSINESS DISTRICT ITSELF AND LOOK AT THE FORMER ORCHARD PARK SCHOOL AND THE AREA WEST OF ROSIE'S GARDEN AND HIGHLIGHTING THE DISTRICT AND FIGURING OUT IF THEY'RE VACANT WHAT SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT OCCUR ON THE SITE. THIS IS THE STREET TOPOLOGY MAP THAT GOES ALONG WITH WHAT I MENTIONED BEFORE. THIS IS THE EXISTING -- NO. THIS IS NOT THE -- THIS HIGHLIGHTS -- YEAH. THIS HIGHLIGHTS THE POTENTIAL -- THE STREETS, THE LANES AND NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS WOULD BE IDENTIFIED ON THE MAP. THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE LARGER CHARACTER PLAN TO AFFECT THIS. BUT THIS IS A ZOOMED-IN VERSION. THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET HIGHLIGHTS THE STREETS THAT ALREADY HAVE SIDEWALKS AND A FEW PROPOSED UPGRADES FOR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS AND THE LANES AS I EXPLAINED PREVIOUSLY AND ACKNOWLEDGES WHAT'S THERE TODAY. AND THEN THE IMAGES THAT I WILL BE FLIPPING THROUGH SHOW POTENTIAL -- POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES AS TIME --

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>> THIS APPENDIX IS LINKED TO OTHER DOCUMENTS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY AND OTHER BACKGROUND INFORMATION. SO I WILL END MY PRESENTATION AND WE WILL HAVE COMMENTS AND I THAN WE CAN SET DISCUSSION TIME OR SET SOME DISCUSSION TOPICS AND IDEAS FOR WHEN WE GET TO THE COMMITTEE MEETING.

>> THANK YOU, ADRIENNE. BY SHOW OF HANDS, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION? ONE, THREE, FOUR, FIVE. OKAY. OH, SIX. THEN -- WAIT. ONE MORE TIME. A SHOW OF HANDS ONE MORE TIME. OKAY. LET'S STICK WITH THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. SO PLEASE -- OKAY. WELL, WE COULD GO LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE GONE SLIGHTLY OVER AND WE'LL LET THE PUBLIC COMMENT GO SLIGHTLY OVER AS WELL AND WE'LL GO FIVE MINUTES PER PERSON AND TO HAVE IT GO MORE QUICKLY IF IF THE NEXT PERSON IS STANDING IN LINE AND READY TO GO, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. JUST SORT OF FORM A LINE AND GO AHEAD WHOEVER WANTS TO BE FIRST AND STATE YOUR NAME AND GENERALLY WHERE YOU LIVE AND BRICK WILL RUN THE TIMER FOR FIVE MINUTES PER PERSON. AND YOU WILL SEE THERE ARE LIGHTS UP THERE THAT WILL IS THAT YOUR TIME. WHEN IT GETS TO RED, TIME IS UP. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> IS IT ON? OKAY. YES. HELLO. MY NAME IS DAVID GREEN. I LIVE IN THE HOME PLACE AREA, CALLED HOME PLACE ON THE MAP, AND TRYING TO TAKE THE WORD HOME PLACE AWAY. I HAVE BEEN WATCHING FOR THREE YEARS IT BEING DEVELOPED. IT WORKS, AND THEN IT STOPPED AND THEN THEY WORK AND THEY STOP. AND THEN THEY PUT IN AND WHAT THEY PUT IN, THEY TAKE OUT. RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE READY TO ASSUME A THIRD OF MY PROPERTY AND RIGHT NOW I WILL HAVE A ROAD AND SIDEWALK 25 FEET FROM MY HOUSE. THAT'S FROM ME TO YOU, 25 FEET. AND AS FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING, I OPPOSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU ARE WANTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT YOU SHOULD GO A 300-FOOT RADIUS FROM COLLEGE.

AND AS FOR THE BUSINESSES YOU CONSIDER THEM BLIGHTED BECAUSE

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.THE NEXT PERSON COULD PLEASE SPEAK.

>> GOOD EVENING. I AM KEVIN BREAKING AND I AM A BUSINESS OWNER THE DISTRICT TO VOICE MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED OVERLAY PLAN AND HOW IT IMPACTS OUR BUSINESS, CARMEL GLASS AND MIRROR. THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT ERASE US FROM HOME PLACE IMPLYING THAT WE ARE NO LONGER A VALUABLE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT IS BOTH UNTRUE AND DEEPLY CONCERNING. MY WIFE AND I ARE SECOND-GENERATION OWNERS OF THIS FAMILY-RUN THABS PROUDLY SERVED CARMEL FOR 45 YEARS AND CONTRIBUTED TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY THROUGH TAXES, JOBS, AND METICULOUS PROPERTY UP KEEP AND A COMMUNITY HOME. WE ARE THE SMALL, LOCAL, DEEPLY-ROOTED BUSINESS THAT THIS CITIES IT WANTS TO PROTECT. BUT THE PLAN DESIGNATES OUR PROPERTY AS FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS IF WE'RE VACANT, UNDER UTILIZED OR LOOKING SO. WE ARE NONE OF THOSE THINGS. CARMEL GLASS AND MIRROR IS A THRIVING BUSINESS WITH NO PLANS TO MOVE. EVEN MORE TROUBLING IS HOW THIS PLAN CAME TO BE. THIS PROCESS LACKS MEANINGFUL OUTREACH TO THOSE MOST AFFECTED. WE WERE NEVER CONTRARY TO THE PRIOR REMARKS CONTACTED TO TALK ABOUT THE OPERATION OR FUTURE PLANS.

LET ME REPEAT THAT. NOBODY CONTACTED US. THE COMMUNITY INPUTS WERE WELL INTENTIONED BUT THEY WERE POORLY STRUCTURED.

STICKERS ON CONCEPT BOARDS PLACED WITHOUT CONTEXT OR VETTING DO NOT INSTITUTE REAL ENGAGEMENT. THERE WAS NO WAY TO ENSURE PARTICIPANTS LIVED OR WORKED IN THE AREA, AND MUCH OF THE INPUT CAME FROM CHILDREN PLAYING WITH STICKERS ON THE DISPLAY. THIS ISN'T PUBLIC CONSULTATION. IT'S THEATER. THE DATA IS TAINTED. THE RESULTING PLAN IS BUILT ON A SHAKY FOUNDATION. THE MAYOR HAS SAID THAT STRONG, VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE REASON THAT CARMEL IS SO SPECIAL. WE COULD NOT AGREE MORE BUT THIS PLAN DOES JUST THAT. AND THIS MAY BENEFIT THE DEVELOPER BUT IT DOES LITTLE FOR THOSE OF US WHO INVESTED IN AND MAINTAINED OUR PROPERTIES FOR DECADES. WHERE'S OUR SEAT AT THE TABLE? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS? LET ME BE CLEAR. WE ARE NOT AGAINST PROGRESS. WE WELCOME THOUGHTFUL, EXISTING INCLUSIVE DEVELOPMENT. BUT WE ARE AGAINST BEING EXCLUDED FROM SHAPING THAT PROGRESS. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THIS PLAN BE RECONSIDERED, THAT THE VOICES OF EXISTING BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS MEANINGFULLY BE INCLUDED AND THE INTEGRITY OF OUR COMMUNITY BE PRESERVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE -- ANOTHER PART OF -- PLEASE HOLD YOUR THOUGHTS. ANOTHER PART OF THE QUORUM IS NO SHOUTING, NO APPLAUSE. IT'S IN OUR PROCEDURES. I ASK EVERYONE TO REMAIN SILENT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. THANK YOU.

>> HI. I AM TIM -- HE'S HARD TO FOLLOW. I AM ON THE HOME PLACE ADVISORY BOARD. I AM A FORMER PLAN COMMISSION MEMBER. I THINK THEY HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB WITH ALL OF THE WORK SHE HAD TO DO WITH THIS. AND YOU CAN'T APPLAUSE THAT. OKAY. THAT BEING

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THE ONE THING, THIS IS ALL REALLY NICE BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HOLD DEVELOPERS TO THESE -- TO THIS PLAN? FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN LATELY, DEVELOPERS DO WHAT THEY WANT, REALLY, IN THIS TOWN. THIS WAS A THING WHEN I WAS IN THE PLAN COMMISSION. THERE WERE CERTAIN BUILDING TYPES THAT I DIDN'T THINK WERE SAFE. AS A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, I THOUGHT SOME OF THE BUILDINGS -- ESPECIALLY THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS WERE FIND OF CHEAPLY BUILT. I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE IN MY OWN SPACE, IN THE HOME PLACE AREA. I TRULY THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME PROGRAM WHERE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN HOME PLACE CAN COMMENT ON ANYTHING BEING BUILT IN THE HOME PLACE AREA, AND THAT MEANS THERE IS ANOTHER COMMITTEE THAT HAS TO GO -- THE PROJECTS HAVE TO COME THROUGH AND THEY HAVE TO BRING THAT THROUGH. I WOULD BE ALL FOR THAT. WITHOUT -- WITHOUT COMMUNITY INPUT, I THINK IT'S JUST A BAD SITUATION. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST IT AND OUTLAW

TIME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UP NEXT,

APPROACH THE PODIUM. >> I AM BEEN A RESIDENT OF HOME PLACE FOR 15 YEARS, APPROXIMATELY AND I HAPPEN TO LIVE -- AND IT PROBABLY WON'T LET ME SHOW ANY OF THE PARTS, BUT I SENT AN EMAIL, ACTUALLY, THAT SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN --

>> IF YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR PHONE UNDER AND SHOW IT UP THERE, THE CAMERA, THAT HELPS IF YOU WANT TO SHOW.

>> THIS?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT? LET ME LET SOMEONE ELSE GO SO CAN I PULL IT UP AND NOT USE THE TIME. OH, NO. WELL, ANYWAY, WHILE I AM TRYING TO FIND IT -- I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT NUMBER ONE, I AM OPPOSED SPECIFICALLY TO THE CHANGES TO AN AREAS DESIGNATED AS A BUSINESS DISTRICT THAT INCLUDES BOUNDARY FROM -- OH, YEAH. FROM JESSUP ALONG 106TH STREET TO MCPHERSON AND SPECIFICALLY ALSO GOING SOUTH AND ODDLY ENOUGH ON CORNELL.

ONLY THE WEST SIDE ENCOMPASSES A LOT OF WHICH ARE HOMES AND IF THERE IS ON THE OVERLAY MAP A DESIGNATION TO BE PART OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICT, I WAS TOLD ORIGINALLY THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN OVERLAY BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT PLANS FOR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I FEEL DECEIVED THAT WHEN WE WERE ASKED FOR THE EVENTS THAT PEOPLE WERE PUTTING

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IS PROBABLY RUNNING OUT. >> YOU WANT TO STEP ASIDE AND TRY TO FIND YOUR PICTURES? DO YOU THINK YOU FOUND IT?

>> IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT CLEAR ENOUGH. BUT I HOPE THAT YOU RECONSIDER SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE NOTED AS BUSINESS DISTRICTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY HOMES. IN MY EMAIL, I ALSO HAD GONE AROUND TO NEIGHBORS THAT ARE RENTERS WHEREAS I OWN. THE MAJORITY AGREE WITH ME THAT THEY WANT THE AFFORDABLE HOMING -- HOUSING IN THAT AREA WITH THOSE HOMES THAT ARE FOR RENT VERSUS SOMEONE COMING AND MAKING IT INTO WHAT WE ARE SEEING POTENTIALLY AT 116TH AND RANGELINE. WHICH NOBODY IS WANTING TO PROPOSE THAT AT SOME POINT BECAUSE MAKING IT INTO A BUSINESS DISTRICT, WE WILL MAKE SURE IT'S SOME SORT OF BUSINESS AND MAYBE SOME APARTMENTS. I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE PEOPLE DO WANT TO CHANGE LIVES IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THEY WANT TO BE WHERE THEY ARE FOR A REASON.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE DID RESEARCH YOUR EMAIL. SO THANK YOU. UP NEXT, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

>> HI. MY NAME IS CATHY BOLANDER AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HOME PLACE FOR 40 YEARS AND SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES. I WANT TO SAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AT HOME PLACE HAS BEEN DONE PRETTY NATURALLY. IF THERE WAS A NEED FOR A SERVICE AND SOMEONE WANTED TO START A BUSINESS TO FILL THAT NEED, THEY DID AND THEIR REPUTATION CITING OTHER OUTSIDE PEOPLE FROM AROUNDING AREAS TO PAID RONIZE THAT DISTRICT SO IT WOULD GROW AND I HEARD CARMEL GLASS HAD SPOKEN AND I AM SURE NOT ALL OF THEIR BUSINESS CAME FROM HOME PLACE. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. I DO HAVE BIG CONCERNS ABOUT DECLARING BUSINESS A BUSINESS DISTRICT. WE HAVE SEEN WHAT THAT MEANS WITH THE POURING OF CONCRETE, TEARING DOWN TREES AND CHANGING THE WHOLE OUTLOOK OF SPECIFIC AREAS. HOME PLACE IS VERY CLOSE TO CARMEL AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. IT HAS DEVELOPED AND MADE VARIOUS PLACES WALKABLE AND EASY TO GET TO AND ENTERTAINMENT ALMOST 24/7 AT LEAST SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SO I FEEL THAT TRYING TO BRAND OR TURN HOME PLACE INTO AN

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SO IF YOU PUT MORE TO THE WEST THERE IS GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC AND THAT TYPE OF THING. ALSO, PARKING. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAYING ABOUT ANY PARKING. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE CONSIDERING A PARKING GARAGE. HOW UGLY WOULD THAT BE? ANYWAY, I FEEL THERE IS MORE DEBATE BEFORE A SERIOUS VOTE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE VISION IS NOT THE SAME AS A LAIN THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. THANK

YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. AND ADRIENNE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REBUT ANY OF THE

COMMENTS? >> I'VE MADE NOTE OF THE COMMENTS MADE HERE AND THERE IS ONE CLARIFICATION THAT HAS COME UP MORE THAN ONCE, AND THAT IS THE BOUNDARIES SHOWN -- IDENTIFIED AS THE HOME PLACE BUSINESS DISTRICT. SORRY. I AM TRYING TO TYPE MY PASSWORD HERE AND THAT BOUNDARY -- THIS SHOWS IT BUT THERE IS A BETTER -- A BETTER REPRESENTATION HERE. I AM TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PAGE. WELL, THIS SHOWS IT. SORRY. THIS BOUNDARY ON THE MAP ALREADY EXISTS IN THE HOME PLACE OVERLAY. THERE ARE VARIOUS BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS THAT -- SORRY. DIVING INTO A BIT OF A RABBIT HOLE HERE BUT THIS IS OUR ZONING MAP. HERE'S THE HOME PLACE OVERLAY.

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TO CLARIFY. >> JOE, DANIELLE, DO EITHER OF YOU WANT TO CHIME IN WITH THE RESPONSE WE HEARD?

>> I WILL ADD A LITTLE CONTEXT. ADRIENNE MENTIONED THIS STARTED IN MAY 2024. WE BROKE UP THE PROCESS INTO THREE PHASES. THE FIRST PART WAS DOING A DEEP DIVE AND LEARNING EVERYTHING WE CAN ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. AND WE DID THAT FROM MAY UNTIL SEPTEMBER AND DURING THAT TIME WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, AND HOSTED AN EVENT AT THE PARKING LOT IN JUNE TO TRY TO REACH PEOPLE NATURALLY HOSTING THE EVENT OUTSIDE. THEN WE STARTED TO COME UP WITHDRAWN-UP CONCEPTS AND WE SHARED THOSE PUBLICALLY IN NOVEMBER. WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE TO GET SOME INPUT WITH THE INITIAL EVENTS AS TO THE REACTIONS TO WHAT WE ARE HEARING AS FAR AS WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES AND THE CHALLENGES AND HOW THIS PLANNING PROCESS CAN START TO ADDRESS THOSE, AND THEN AS WE'VE HEARD IN MAY, WE CAME BACK WITH -- PARTICIPATED IN THE BLOCK PARTY AND COMPILED DRAFT SUBMISSIONS AND THERE WERE KIDS AROUND FOR THE WEEKEND AND DAYTIME ACTIVITIES. ALL OF THAT IN-PERSON ENGAGEMENT WAS SUPPLEMENTED WITH THE ONLINE SURVEYED. THOSE WERE PUSHED OUT THROUGH EMAIL FOR THE RESIDENT AMBASSADORS AS PART OF THE PROJECT WITH THE TEAM MEMBERS.

SO THAT IS JUST HIGHLIGHTS OF WAYS THAT WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY IN THE ROOM TONIGHT AND OTHERS THROUGHOUT HOME PLACE. JUST SPECIFICALLY WITH CARMEL GLASS AND MIRROR, WE MET THE OWNERS AND WE MADE REFINEMENTS AND GOT MORE SPECIFIC WITH THE IDEAS THAT WE SHARED IN MAY. WE HEARD THEIR CONCERNS AROUND FEELING LIKE THE CHANGES WE SHOWED WERE NOT APPROPRIATE AND IN LINE WITH THEIR VISION FOR THEIR BUSINESS.

SO THE DECISION IN FRONT OF OR THE SURGING OF THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU DOES INCORPORATE ADJUSTMENTS SHOWING THEM CONTINUING TO OPERATE AT THAT LOCATION WHILE INCLUDING SOME OPPORTUNITIES IF ADDITIONAL BUSINESS WOULD LIKE TO LOCATE NEXT TO THEM OR IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND, THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE TRYING TO SHOW TO THE DEVELOPMENT CONTRACTS HOW TO LEVERAGE OPPORTUNITIES AT HOME PLACE. OTHER THAN THAT, I AM HAPPY TO HELP BUT ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE DEPARTMENT COMMENTS IF THERE ARE ANY.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. ADRIENNE IS WITH OUR

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS WILL ULTIMATELY BE GOING TO COMMITTEE WHERE WE WILL GO THROUGH PAGE BY PAGE AND LINE BY LINE AND LOOK AT THIS CAREFULLY BUT WE ARE GOING TO START OUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT AND I WILL OPEN IT UP TOP MY FELLOW PLAN COMMISSIONERS WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO BEGIN WITH AND I WILL START WITH JONATHAN. GO AHEAD.

>> NOT A QUESTION. JUST A COMMENT AND WE HEARD TONIGHT SEVERAL TIMES IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE NOT CONSIDER ANYTHING DISTRICTS TONIGHT. THAT'S A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS THAT REQUIRES MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION LEVEL. SO I HEAR YOU. I THINK THEY ARE OF APPROPRIATE USE IN THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED HERE TONIGHT. YOU DID ACTUALLY ANSWER ONE QUESTION I HAD WHICH WAS HOW THE BUSINESS DISTRICT AREA WAS DETERMINED. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT TO LIGHT. CERTAINLY, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS IN THE ROOM. YOU KNOW, I HEAR FROM A BUSINESS WHO FEELS THEY ARE BEING PUSHED OUT OR AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY BUT I WANT TO REASSURE EVERYONE THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

WE DO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS AND TAKE THESE INTO CONSIDERATION AS

WE MOVE INTO COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU COUNSELORS.

COUNCILMEMBER MINNAAR? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DPO AND HOW THEY WILL INTERACT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSS AT COMMITTEE OR WE CAN DEEP DIVE AT THAT POINT BUT I AM CURIOUS TO HOW THAT WILL WORK. WILL THE VBO, I GUESS, EITHER GO TO -- THERE IS REALLY NO OTHER WAY OF PUTTING IT. SO I WILL PUT IT IN THE SIMPLEST OF TERMS, WILL THEY BE THE GO TO FOR THE ACTIVATION OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND RELATES TO THE FUNCTION THAT HAPPENS DOWN THERE AS WELL MEANING AS TO THE PARTIES AND BLOCK PARTIES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PDO IS AND HOW IT WILL WORK WITH THE OVERLAY PLAN. THAT'S NUMBER ONE AND A WANT TO ECHO JONATHAN'S COMMENTS THAT ON YOUR REPRESENTATION ON THE COMMISSION I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY AND IT'S TRUE THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. I DO TALK TO COUNSELOR GREEN AD NAUSEAM, AND HE PROBABLY GETS MAD ME TALKING TO HIM SO MUCH BUT I LISTEN TO HIS FEEDBACK AND TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS BUT I'LL LET OTHERS GO.

>> DO YOU WANT ADRIENNE TO ANSWER -- OKAY.

>> THE ANSWER TO THE PBO QUESTION, A LOT OF THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT AND IN THE LARGER -- THIS IS HOME DOCUMENT -- I HAVE IT WITHOUT OPENING THE OUTER COMPO. THERE IS A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THE ACTIVITIES BY THE DISTRICT ORGANIZATION. SO A LOT OF THINGS LIKE MARKETING AND PROGRAMMING EVENTS AND BUSINESS BUSINESS AND VISITOR SUPPORT AND FINDINGS AND THAT KIND OF THING HAS BEEN PROPOSED AS A POTENTIAL ACTIVITY BY THE GREEN CHECK MARK HERE. CERTAINLY, THE CITY'S EXPECTED SUPPORT COMES ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE STREETS AND PUBLIC PLACES AND STOREFRONT FACADES AND SIGNS AND THAT KIND OF THING, NOT THAT THE CITY IS PROVIDING THOSE THINGS BUT WE HAVE A PLAN FOR REGULATING AND PROPOSING THE STANDARDS FOR THOSE THINGS. THEN THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE HOME PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THERE -- LIKE I

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THEM. >> MAYBE AT SOME POINT FORMALIZING ALL OF THAT AND HAVING SOMETHING IN WRITING.

>> DEFINITELY. THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME, WRITING ORDINANCES AND FACILITATE PLANS BUT IT MAKES SENSES THAT FOLKS LIVING UP IN HOME PLACE AND. WANTING TO IMPROVE HOME PLACE AND WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THERE ARE SOMETHINGS THAT NEED TO BE

WORKED OUT THERE. >> DUBBIE?

>> THOSE PRECEDING ME -- I WILL SPIT THIS OUT -- HAD THE COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE. SO THE QUESTION IS NOT TONIGHT BUT I HEARD THESE NAMES AND I THINK THE QUESTION IS HOW DO THE 106TH AND COLLEGE ORGANIZATION AND 106TH AND COLLEGE INC. WORK TOGETHER WITH THE CITY FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR DEVELOPMENTS IN THE OVERLAY AREA? AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN I SAY THIS THAT THIS IS ACCURATE. WE READ THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH. THE OVERLAY ALLOWS FOR POSSIBILITY. IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANYTHING. IT JUST ALLOWS FOR POSSIBILITIES. AND THAT'S FINE.

I THINK THE ASSURANCES NEED TO BE WHEN POSSIBILITIES BECOME IDEAS AND PROPOSALS. WHO'S GOING TO BE AT THE TABLE? I THINK OF ALL THE THINGS THAT I READ THAT IT BOILS DOWN TO THAT.

WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE SCARED OF A PLAN THAT ALLOWS FOR THINGS. WE WANT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT THIS ISN'T, AND THEN WE WANT TO KNOW WHEN THE TIME COMES WHO'S AT THE TABLE. SO THOSE ARE -- I KNOW WE HAVE DONE THIS FOR A COUPLE OF THEM BUT SINCE THAT WAS SO PREVALENT WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE READ I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO

REPEAT IT. >> IT'S SOMETHING TO GET INTO MORE IN COMMITTEE FOR CERTAIN. AND JESS, DO YOU WANT TO GO

NEXT? >> I HAVE SOME NOTES THAT I JOTTED DOWN AND I APPRECIATE FOR HAVING A PLAN AND THE FOCUS ON MAINTAINING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND KEEPING HOME PLACE AS ITS OWN PLACE AT THE SAME TIME. IF THERE IS OPEN OPPORTUNITIES, I AM THRILLED TO HAVE A PLAN SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO IMPROVE THEIR FACADE, EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS OR PUT UP A NEW TYPE OF HOME, I LOVE THAT WE WILL HAVE ARCHITECTURAL AND OTHER STANDARDS SO THINGS WILL SHOW UP AND LOOK GOOD IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT WAS POINTED OUT EARLIER IF IT'S NOT A PLAN THATS THOU SHALT HAVE REDEVELOPMENT HAPPEN TOMORROW BUT GOING NOT, I AM GLAD WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE, AND DRAINAGE, I DIDN'T HAVE HEAR THAT TALKED ABOUT AND I HEARD SOMEONE MENTION TRAFFIC.

IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CATHY, BUT I THINK CARMEL PUBLIC WORKS HAS DONE A GOOD JOB SHOWING THAT THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF OUR TRAFFIC CONCERNS ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY AND HOPE THIS CAN BE LIKE THE 106 TRAIL. SOMETHING

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DIALOGUE. >> THANK YOU. SUE?

>> VERY SIMILAR TO WITH THE PETITIONER TONIGHT. WHEN WE MEET AGAIN AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LOFTY GOAL BUT HOW DOES THE CITY ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF BRINGING IN REDEVELOPMENT AND ALSO KEEPING COMMUNITY PRESERVATION. AND WE ARE AT A NEED FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND HOW WILL A HANDSHAKE HAPPEN? AND THE OTHERS HAVE ADDRESSED THAT AND I WOULD LIKE IT HEAR MORE FROM THEM TO BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. THANK YOU.

>> ADAM? >> I WOULD JUST BRIEFLY ECHO MUCH OF WHAT JEFF AND DUBBIE MENTIONED. I THINK WE HAVE A STRONG SERIES OF DIALOGUE THAT HAS TO COME UP. OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT, I HOPE THERE ARE NOT MORE BUSINESSES SPOKEN WITH OR CONSULTING ABOUT THIS PLAN. AND AGAIN, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE

NEXT DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU. SO FIRST, I JUST HAVE A FEW COMMENTS LIKE YOU ARE ALL GUESSING THAT WE WILL REALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS AT COMMITTEE. AND I WANT TO REALLY COMMEND ADRIENNE. SHE IS HELPING EVERYONE HERE AND AT HOME PLACE.

YOU CAN TELL THERE IS A LOT OFEST AND TIME PUT INTO THIS AND THERE ARE PARTS OF THE PLAN THAT I CAN SEE WHAT THE VISION IS TRYING TO BE, AND I HARKING BACK TO THIS. IT MAINTAINS A WELCOMING SMALL-TOWN FEEL AND FOSTERING GENUINE CONNECTIONS AMONG NEIGHBORS. EVERY TIME I AM READING THIS, I AM HARKING BACK IF THIS IS ACCOMPLISHING THAT PRIMARY PRINCIPLE. SO THERE WAS -- SO DEFINITELY THINGS THAT I WANT TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT AT COMMITTEE. THE FIRST IS WE HAVE 13, 14, AND 17, THIS IS ABOUT VETTING AND HAVING PREDESIGNED, THE PREAPPROVED PLAN AND OF THE HOUSING TASK FORCE, WE TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT IT WOULD BE TO HAVE A TASK FORCE DO THAT. I AM GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE THOUGHTFULLY. I KNOW WE ARE CITING THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND. I WENT ON THE WEBSITE AND LOOKED AT THEIR HOUSING TYPES AND SOME OF THEM ARE CHARMING AND DARLING AND SOME OF THEM WON'T WORK. MY CONCERN IS AS WE READ THIS, IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE WE WILL FOLLOW SOUTH BEND BUT IT ALSO SAYS WE ARE COMING UP IN OUR OWN PLAN. IN SOUTH BEND, THEY HAVE A SIX-FOOT APARTMENT UNIT. WE WOULD NO LONGER HAVE OUR SINGLE-FAMILY AFFORDABLE -- ATTAINABLY PRICED -- I WON'T SAY AFFORDABLE BUT ATTAINABLY PRICED RANCHES. THEY WOULD ALL BE REPLACED. AND THEY HAVE TO BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT WE ARE GOING TO DEVELOP OUR PLAN AND STRIKE THE REFERENCE SOUTH BEND BECAUSE SOME OF THEM WE MIGHT GO WITH AND SOME WE MIGHT NOT. WITH THE BUSINESS DISTRICTS, I WANT TO HAVE AN IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AND I LIKE THE INITIATIVES ABOUT THE LOAN PROGRAM AND MORE OF A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHY IT'S DESIGNATED A BUSINESS DISTRICT.

WILL IT BE RETAIL? WILL IT BE BOUTIQUE? I WANT TO HAVE THE

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I HAVE A MOTION? >> I MOVE WE SEND IT TO

COMMITTEE. >> SECONDED.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WITH SENDING IT TO THE COMMITTEE FOR VOTING SAY AYE. OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, ARE THE WELL, THIS WILL GO TO COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION AND STAY IN COMMITTEE. WE ARE NOT OUT OF TIME FOR IT AND IT WILL STAY AS LONG AS IT TAKES AND

[H.3. Docket No. 2025-00125 CPA: US 31 Subarea Plan – Comprehensive Plan Amendment ]

ADRIENNE, YOU ARE PRESENTING AGAIN.

>> I AM. AND IT CRASHED WHILE I WAS AWAY AT HOME PLACE. AND LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL THIS UP.

IT ASK NOT SEEM TO BE COOPERATING HERE. IF WE COULD GO TO -- I AM GOING TO DO THIS THE OLD SCHOOL WAY. BUT I WILL NOT BE GOING THROUGH EVERY PAGE. THIS IS A SMALLER DOCUMENT BUT FOR THE RECORD, I AM CAN THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AND SIMILAR TO THE HOME PLACE PLAN, THIS IS THE NEXT SUB AREA WE ARE STUDYING AND HOPING TO ADOPT INTO PART 5 OF THE CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SUBAREA PLAN. SO THE U.S. 31 BOUNDARIES -- BECAUSE THIS DOCUMENT AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF IS INLAND SCAPE FORMAT FOR EASE OF REFERENCE -- MAYBE NOT FOR EASE OF REFERENCE BUT FOR FITTING ON THE PAGES, THE AREA IS THE LEFT IS THE U.S. 31 CORRIDOR. THIS IS WHAT IS SURROUNDING IT BUT GENERALLY FOLLOWS ILLINOIS STREET AND PENNSYLVANIA BUT IT INCORPORATES AREAS EAST OF PENNSYLVANIA AS WELL AS WEST OF ILLINOIS THAT DO HAVE A MORE -- THAT ALREADY HAVE DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING IN -- A BEAUTY OR SOMETHING THAT IS MORE IN CHARACTER THAN THE U.S. 31 CORRIDOR. AND IT INCLUDES THE AREA 465 AND THE OFFICE PARK AREAS AND THE BOUNDARY. AND THIS

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THIS PLAN USES THOSE AS OPPORTUNITIES FOR -- TO BRING GATHERING SPACES, ACTIVE USES, NEW USES INTO THE AREA. PLANNING FOR ACTIVITY, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF MULTIUSE PATHS IN CARMEL. BUT WE NEED TO -- WE BUILT THAT OVER THE YEARS, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT A LARGER PICTURE OF HOW WE CONNECT PLACES. THE GREENWAY IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS ISN'T THAT FAR

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JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PATH TO SIDEWALK SOMEWHERE DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL BE ENTICED TO USE IT. SO WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF MAKING THE CONNECTIONS AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO EXPERIENCE THE CORRIDOR. DESIGN GUIDANCE FROM A TRAIL STANDPOINT, I -- WE -- THE PLAN MAP WILL COME UP LATER. I'LL SHOW THAT. BUT WE HAVE A SERIES OF FUTURE TRAILS PROPOSED ON THE PLAN THAT ARE KIND OF ENHANCED MULTI-USE AND I MENTIONED CONNECTING THE GREENWAY THAT, CORRIDOR OUT TO THE 31 AREA. BUT THERE IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE AN ENHANCEMENT OF A TRAIL ALONG THE CORRIDOR. ENHANCE MEANS LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE AND COMFORT, AND THE 10 SIXTH STREET I MENTIONED COUNTYSIDE, THIS CROSSES OVER TO THE U.S. 31 CORRIDOR PLAN AND JUST ENHANCING THEM AND MAKING THEM CLEAR AND UNINTENTIONAL. THE POLICY GUIDANCE IS THE OTHER SECTION HERE AND THERE ARE -- I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE BUT THERE ARE SOME PROPOSED ADJUSTMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE TO THE MC ZONING DISTRICT TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL, FOR INSTANCE AND CERTAIN ARCHITECTURE STANDARDS AND REMOVING CERTAIN MATERIALS FOR THE SURFACE PARKING LOTS. A LOT OF SMALL THINGS THAT COULD ADD UP TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. I WON'T READ ALL THOSE. AND THE SUBAREA PLAN ITSELF THERE'S A ZOOMED-IN VERSION OF WHAT WAS

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THIS WOULD NOT IMPROVE THOSE BUT WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THOSE, WHERE THE VARIOUS THINGS WERE LOOKED AT. AND ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT, THE WOODED AREA AS A CENTRAL GATHERING SPACE. SO THAT IS ONE FEATURE HERE ON THE MAP. THERE COULD BE OTHERS ON A DEVELOPMENT BY DEVELOPMENT BASIS. BUT THAT WOULD BE A HIGHLIGHT FOR THE CORRIDOR. I'LL END MY PRESENTATION THERE. ND AGAIN, I EXPECT WE WILL HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS AND

DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU. AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. BY A SHOW OF HANDS, ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR IN OPPOSITION IN OKAY. I WILL GIVE YOU EACH FIVE MINUTES AND IF YOU CAN PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND GENERALLY WHERE YOU LIVE. AND BRICK WILL RUN THE TIMER. AND IT WILL BE GREEN, YELLOW AND RED. WHEN IT'S YELLOW, YOU ARE CLOSE

TO ENDING ON TIME. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARK. I AM A MEMBER OF THE HOA BOARD THAT ARE NORTH OF THE VACANT IU VACANT HOSPITAL AND WE ARE BETWEEN SPRINGFIELD AND ILLINOIS. SO THIS IS A REALLY COMPLICATED DOCUMENT. IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE NOT CLEAR. I DON'T FEEL AT THIS POINT I CAN MAKE A CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENT. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS CLEAR BECAUSE IT REALLY INVOLVES UNDERSTANDING THE PROPOSED U.S. 31 CORRIDOR. YOU HAVE TO READ THAT WALLS AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD YOU HAVE TO READ THOSE DOCUMENTS, UNDERSTANDING THEPUD THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2003 FOR THE VACANT LAND. WE HAVE THE CORRIDOR AND THEN HYATT PLACE, AND THE RITZ CHARLES AND THE ARTS BUILDING EAST OF US, AND I FEEL LIKE WE ARE A STAKEHOLDER IN THE PROCESS. I WAS ASKED ABOUT THE JUNE 18, 2024 PLAN COMMISSION ABOUT ANOTHER MATTER, I WAS, YOU KNOW, HEARTENED TO HEAR YARD AND COMPANY'S PRESENTATION BECAUSE THEY WERE

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AND I HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE FOCUS GROUP STAKEHOLDER MEETING. I THOUGHT, OKAY. THERE IS GOING TO BE A GOOD CHANCE AND GOING FORWARD TO UNDERSTAND THE NUANCE, THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THE NEXT DAY, I CONTACTED YARD AND COMPANY AND YOU KNOW, THIS BE IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. PLEASE INVITE US AS STAKEHOLDERS. NO RESPONSE, AND THEN I CONTACTED THEM AGAIN.

SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE ANSWERED EVENTUALLY, BUT ONE OF THEM IS, YOU KNOW, IF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WASN'T INVITED TO ANY OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, WHICH NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT TO THE MERIDIAN CORRIDOR WAS, DESPITE ASSURANCE UP TO THIS POINT, ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN LISTENED TO. MY SECOND QUESTION, THEN S TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS. HERE IS 116TH STREET. HERE'S OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HERE IS THE VACANT HOSPITAL PROPERTY. AND IN THE PREVIOUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE EXISTING U.S. 31 CORRIDOR, THAT VACANT HOSPITAL LAND -- THIS HAS BEEN SHOWN SINCE 2009, IS UNDER SPECIAL STUDY BUT I FOLLOWED THIS PRETTY CAREFULLY AND SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WHEN WAS THE SPECIAL STUDY CONDUCTED? I THINK IT MUST HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE PLAN. AND THE NEXT AREA, THE NEXT QUESTION I'M THINKING ABOUT, THEN, IS WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE 2003 PUD THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IN PLACE ALMOST DONE. AND THEY ARE DESIGNATED ALL OF THIS AS THE CORRIDOR WITH THE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFERENT PERMITTED USES AND MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHTS IN THE 2A AREA. THIS IS WHAT THE PUD AGREED TO AND THIS IS WHAT THE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE SAYING, SO I AM THINKING THAT WE ARE ON TRACK TO REVISE THIS, AND I AM ONBOARD TALKING ABOUT THAT AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NOT TALKED TO AS A STAKEHOLDER. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE NEXT PERSON? NO? LOUDO

>> I AM JOE, AND I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS IN THE 200 APARTMENTS.

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OUR CITY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, AND OUR LAST

SPEAKER. >> I AM ALLISON BROWN, 600, WEST 106TH STREET. I AM SEPARATED BY WILLIAMS CREEK, BUT

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>> THANK YOU. ADRIENNE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF

THOSE COMMENTS? >> BRIEFLY, JUST ONE CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE EXISTING PUD. THOSE EXISTING PUDS, WHETHER THE BRIDGE OR THE HOSPITAL OR ANYTHING ALONG THE CORRIDOR SUPERCEDE ANYTHING PROPOSED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR THAT EXISTS IN THE DOWNTOWN WEST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. SO THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE HOSPITAL COMMUNITIES, IF THOSE WERE TO CHANGE OR PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED, THAT WOULD BE A PUD AMENDMENT AND THAT WOULD INVOLVE A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, SO THIS DOES NOT CHANGE ANY EXAIFTING EXISTING PUD ON THE BOOK. LIKE I MENTIONED, WITH THE HOME PLACE PLAN, IT LOOKS AT OPPORTUNITIES IF AND WHEN THINGS DEVELOP. ALONG THE 31 CORRIDOR I THINK EVERYONE AGREES THAT MAYBE A PARKING LOT OR TWO WOULD BE BETTER USED WHETHER IT -- WHETHER IT'S FOR GREEN SPACE OR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND THIS IS IN

THE EVENT OF DEVELOPMENT. >> THANK YOU. YARD AND COMPANY, DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS? ARE YOU STILL WITH US?

>> I CAN JUST QUICK GIVE ONE COMMENT. AND I THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPEAKS TO THE SPECIFICITY, AND THAT'S WHY IT DOES NOTE INCLUDE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL IN TERMS OF WHAT MAY GO ON THE PARTICULAR SITE, BUT THESE SUBAREA PLANS ARE TRYING TO LEVERAGE -- YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ABOUT A 10-YEAR HORIZON TRYING TO ARTICULATE WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN THE PLACE. AND I WANTED TO ADD THAT SMALL PIECE AND I AM HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE UPCOMING CITY

MEETINGS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND ALEXIA, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU IF THE DEPARTMENT HAS ANY

COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD. I RECOMMEND THIS GOES TO THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING WHICH IS ON AUGUST 5 AND THOSE ARE HELD IN THIS ROOM AS WELL AT 6:00, AND LONG THE WAY, THE PUBLIC CAN SUBMIT EMAILS AND LETTERS AND WE WILL DISTRIBUTE IT THEM TO ALL OF YOU TO HAVE THOSE TO READ AHEAD OF TIME. AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WITH ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. THANK YOU

VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND AS WITH HOME PLACE, I WANT TO THANK ADRIENNE AND THE STAFF AND EVERYBODY, AND THE PEOPLE WE REACHED OUT TO. THIS IS A LOT OF WORK, AND THE HOUSING TASK FORCE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT HOW UNDESIRABLE ASPHALT PARKING LOTS ARE AND TO FIX U.S. 31, IT'S GREAT TO SEE THIS PLAN IS COMING FORWARD.

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>>> IT IS MORE OF A VISIONARY DOCUMENT. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP TO COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY HERE AND I'M STARTING

WITH COUNSELOR. >> I'VE BEEN CHOMPING AT THE BIT. I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO CAME TONIGHT TO SPEAK. I THAT. TO MARK, SPECIFICALLY, FROM THE SPRING MILL NEIGHBORHOOD, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, WHEREVER YOU ARE, SORRY. THERE YOU ARE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNSELOR GREENE AND I HAD SPOKEN ABOUT OVER THE PHONE. HE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS AND QUESTIONS AND I WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND HIT ON THOSE, WHICH WERE HOW TO ENSURE WE PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE WEST SIDE OF ILLINOIS. WE HAVE MANY CHALLENGES WITH THE LIGHTING, THE TRUCKS, THE NOISE, AND SO FORTH. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS ADDRESSED IN THE COMMITTEE MEETING. THE FORESTED AREAS WE HAVE LEFT OVER THERE AS WELL. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT. ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING ALL THE WILDLIFE THAT LIVES THERE AND MAINTAINING THAT AREA IF WE CAN. SO, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO REENVISIONING THE CONCRETE JUNGLES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE PLAGUING 31, THAT ARE NOT BEING UTILIZED. I'M LOOKING ALSO FORWARD TO REALLY, ACTUALLY, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THE SPECIAL STUDY FOR THE PUTD AREA. WAS IT DONE? IS THERE INFORMATION FOR US TO READ THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH THE COMMITTEE?

>> THAT WAS ONE OF A FEW AREAS I BELIEVE THAT WAS DESIGNATED AS AN AREA FOR SPECIAL STUDY AND WE DID NOT -- WE HAVE NOT DONE A SPECIAL STUDY FOR THAT AREA. THERE IS CERTAINLY DISCUSSION THAT CAN TAKE LEVEL AT THIS LEVEL. THAT AREA, THAT'S OWNED BY THE HOSPITAL, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE

DON'T OWN THAT LAND. >> WE DO NOT OWN THAT LAND.

>> YEAH. >> OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO, I THINK ALSO, I THINK REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE GATHERING SPACES IN THE PAST AND THE CONNECTIVITY.

THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES I WANT TO MAKE SURE ARE INCORPORATED IN THIS PLAN. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE SHOT AT THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GREEN SPACE, THE TRAILS, THE CONNECTIVITY, ALL OF THAT IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY IN UNDER UTILIZED LAND, AND SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE CAN REDEVELOP AT THIS TIME. I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND I'LL LET SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE MICROPHONE.

>> GREAT, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NEXT?

>> DITTO. >> OKAY, ANYBODY DOWN HERE?

>> ONE MORE COUNCILWOMAN MINNAAR. IN THE DESIGN, SORRY, POLICY YOU WERE SAYING REMOVE, OR CHANGE THE 8-FOOT STORY REQUIREMENT FOR BUILDING HEIGHT. DO YOU MEAN TO LOWER THE HEIGHT OR TO MAKE IT HIGHER? IS IT HIGHER? OKAY.

>> THAT PARTICULAR ONE READS, CONSIDER INCREASING THE 8 STORY MAXIMUM AT KEY INTERSECTIONS WHERE A STRUCTURE FRONTS U.S. 31 AND AN ARTERIAL STREET. THE WAY IT IS WORDED, IT DOESN'T SAY INCREASE ALL OF THE HEIGHTS, IT'S AT A SPECIFIC SPOT. TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, THE U.S. 31 GRADE, WHICH GO BACK TO THE HOTEL THAT WE HAD COME AND I THINK IT WAS 6 STORIES AND NOW BECAUSE THE GRADE OF 31 IS SO HIGH, YOU CAN'T SEE THE SIGN ON THE HOTEL WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT. SO THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT OBVIOUSLY, SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT FOR SURE. AS WELL AS I SAW THAT YOU HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN PARKING, WHICH DEPENDING ON THE DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AS WELL. I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES WE DON'T PARK ENOUGH, OR WE PARK TOO MUCH, AND RATHER HAVE GREEN SPACE. BUT ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. AND I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON YOU GOT A REFERENCE ON PAGE 10 ABOUT TWO SMALL SCALE OUTLOT PARKING DEVELOPMENTS. I GUESS I WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS MEANT BY THAT. I THINK WHEN

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YOU ADOPT THE SUB AREA PLAN? >> SO IDEALLY, EVENTUALLY, OUR ZONING WILL BE UNDER ONE UMBRELLA, IF YOU WILL. A PARTICULAR, PERHAPS NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT A RECOMMENDATION AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT WOULD TRICKLE DOWN OVER TEN YEAR PERIOD TO OTHER, MORE CONCRETE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, SUCH AS OF COURSE A UDO, AND THEN IT GOES EVEN DEEPER WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DISTRICTS AND SUCH. SO, ADDS ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. BUT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO IMPLEMENT. AND EVERYTHING IN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GETS IMPLEMENTED. AND THAT'S WHY WE ONLY AMEND IT EVERY TEN YEARS. SO, ASPIRATIONALLY, YES. I THINK ALL ZONING DOCUMENTS SHOULD WORK TOGETHER EVENTUALLY.

REALISTICALLY, WILL IT ALL BE INTENDED? NOT ALWAYS. I KNOW IT'S NOT REALLY CONCRETE ANSWER.

>> IT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT IT IS WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.

>> SO I CAN CLARIFY. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION

ABOUT THAT AS WELL. >> GREAT.

>> I DO HAVE ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS THAT I DID NOT PRESENT TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY HINGE UPON CERTAIN THINGS. THE HOME PLACE STREET EXHIBITS ARE AN EXAMPLE WHERE THOSE STREETS WOULD AMEND, I HAVE AN EXHIBIT OF THE CITY WIDE MAP FOR INSTANCE, THAT WE CAN BRING INTO THE DISCUSSION. I FELT LIKE THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO PRESENT TONIGHT WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE STREET CROSS SECTIONS AND THOSE LOCATIONS THEMSELVES BEFORE WE PHYSICALLY AMEND THE CITY WIDE PLAN TO REFLECT IT. SIMILARLY IN THE U.S. 31 PLAN, THOSE FEATURE TRAILS WOULD AFFECT AND I ALSO HAVE AN EXHIBIT FOR THAT, THE MOBILITY AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN TO CALL THOSE OUT. SO THAT WOULD BE A COMPANION DOCUMENT OR PIECE THAT WOULD BE AMENDED FOR THE CITY WIDE MOBILITY AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN. THAT MAKES SENSE. IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO BRING THOSE NOW UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON U.S. 31?

>> THIS IS JUST SHORT. HE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT ALIGN ALONG THIS AREA, YOU BROUGHT UP TONIGHT, IS THERE A WAY SOMEBODY CAN GET A LIST OF THEM AND MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE ARE CONNECTED OR KNOW THAT THIS IS BEING DISCUSSED? IT MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT THEM. I HATE TO SEE SOMETHING OVERLOOKED BY ACCIDENT. AND SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THAT'S HAPPENED. AND I THINK

IT'S IMPORTANT. >> WE HAVE -- THERE'S A LIST MAINTAINED OF SOME NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. I DON'TKNOW HOW CURRENT IT IS OR HOW ACTIVE THEY ARE, BUT WE CAN GO BACK THROUGH THAT LIST AND SEND SOMETHING OUT.

>> GREAT, THANK YOU. I WILL TAKE A MOTION. YOU HAVE ANOTHER

QUESTION. GO AHEAD, JEFF. >> I LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, I'LL SAY REPLACE, REDUCE, ENHANCE PARKING AREAS WITH GREEN SPACE. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS WE HEARD TODAY THAT MAYBE THEY WERE LIGHT ON DISCUSSION. BUT GREENING THINGS UP. IF WE CAN TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THAT, IT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL PLAN OR STUDY SO CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO GET TOO FAR DOWN IN THE WEEDS. I REALLY LIKE THE FEATURE

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I WOULD SAY PUT THEM BACK ON. LET'S CONSIDER THEM.

>> WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE SEND THE U.S. 31 SUB AREA STUDY TO COMMITTEE FOR CONTINUED DISCUSSION.

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT MOTION.

SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS TO COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION, RETURNING TO THE FULL COMMISSION FOR A VOTE,

PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. ALL RIGHT, ADRIENNE, WE'LL SEE YOU FOR THIS ONE ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 5, FOR BOTH SUB AREA HOME PLACE PLAN AND U.S. 31 PLAN. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA. WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE. SO WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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