Jul 21, 2025 Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee Meeting

[a. Ordinance D-2774-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing and Approving an Additional Appropriation of $2,526,702.00 from the General Fund (#101) to the City Property Maintenance Budget (#1206); Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Minnaar, Taylor and Joshi]

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>>> WELCOME TO THE MONDAY, JULY 21 FINANCE RULES UTILITIES MEETING. WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING AN ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF 2, 526, 702 FROM THE GENERAL FUND 101 TO THE CITY PROPERTY AND MAINTENANCE BUDGET 1206. SPONSOR MINNAAR, TAYLOR AND JOSHI. THE SNAUPSIS IS THE ORDINANCE APPROVES TO SUPPORT STREET REPAVING COSTS. WE WILL TURN OVER TO STREET DEPARTMENT SUPERINTENDENT, MR. HIGGEN TO PRESENT ON THE MATTER.

SIR, OVER TO YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMITTEE. I GUESS WE WILL START WITH WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU LIKE. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS AT THE LAST MEETING AND THE THOUGHT THAT THERE IS MAYBE LACKING A PROCESS. SO I WILL HAVE RYAN WALK YOU THROUGH HOW WE DETERMINED OUR PAVING LIST. HE OVERSEES THE PAVING PROGRAM, ASPHALT MANAGEMENT. AS HE HAS GOT PULLED UP NOW, THAT IS THE CURRENT STREET SCAN. WE OPERATE NOW ON A PCI RATING, CI IS 0 TO 100. WE HAD A COMPANY COME IN AND DO LASER SCAN SO IT IS NOT SUBJECTIVE TO PERSONAL OPINIONS. I WILL LET RYAN KIND OF EXPLAIN HOW WE DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT IT ENTAILS.

>> SO I'M RYAN, PROJECT DEPARTMENT. WE DID THE FIRST SCAN IN 2022, SCANNING ALL OF THE LAND MILES WE HAVE IN OUR CITY. IT IS AN OBJECTIVE PROCESS WITH LASER TECHNOLOGY AND A 360 CAMERA THAT WE GAIN IMAGERY FROM. THEN ON TOP OF IT, WE CAN SEE EVERY DEFECT, TYPE, AND SEVERITY RATING WHEN WE GET THE SCAN INFORMATION BACK. IT TAKES FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS TO PROCESS THE INFORMATION. WE GOT IT IN 2022 AND THE LAST ONE WE DID WAS IN 2024. IN THE YEARS WE DON'T DO A SCAN, WE DO A DETEARIATION CURVE THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OVER A LOT OF RESEARCH, THAT WE FORECAST HOW MUCH DETOREIATED IN THE YEAR AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, WE ADJUST AS THE ROADS WERE RATED. WE DO TAKE INTO THE DETEARIATION BECAUSE THE ROADS DETERIORATE AT A FASTER RATE. WE WANT TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WE ETURN INTO THE STATE THE MOST ACCURATE WE CAN. ONCE WE GET THE INFORMATION, WE BREAK THE CITY UP INTO MANAGEMENT SECTIONS. YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE ROADS UP THERE, YOU CAN SEE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE -- I WILL ZOOM IN ON A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES HERE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME. THERE IS A LOT OF RED IN THE AREAS. WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT, WE BROKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD UP BECAUSE THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS NOW TWO MANAGEMENT SECTIONS BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT 106,000 SQUARE YARDS.

THERE IS ONLY ONE NEIGHBORHOOD LARGER THAN THAT WHICH IS WEST CLAY WHICH IS TEN MANAGEMENT SECTIONS. WE HAD TO DO THIS TO FEASIBLY GET INTO THE AREAS. THIS AREA IS CURRENTLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR THE ADDITIONAL MONEY BEING BROUGHT IN. THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD BRING IN FIRST. WE WOULD DO BOTH T SECTIONS, NORTH AND SOUTH RGS ABOVE THAT. WE BROKE THEM UP IN SECTIONS AND THAT GIVES US AN AVERAGE RATING OF THE AREA. THAT WAY IF THERE IS JUST ONE CUL-DE-SAC, ONE IN THE AREA, WE COULD SEE IT ON THE MAP AND WE CAN GET THE AVERAGE RATING OF THE AREA TO DETERMINE THE TOP PRIORITY AS WELL AS MAIN ROADS FROM ROUND ABOUT TO ROUND ABOUT. AS YOU CAN SEE, ON A PLACE IN THE ROAD HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE RATING CHANGES THREE OR FOUR TIMES. EACH OF THE SEGMENTS GOES FROM INTERSECTION TO

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AFTERWARDS, ME AND MY INSPECTOR WALK THE WHOLE THING TO CONFIRM LENGTH, QUANTITY AND INSPECTION. AND WE ARE ARE HANDS ON. THEN WE GET TO THE PAVING PROCESS. WE HAVE AN INSPECTOR ON SITE THAT IS LOOKING FOR SOFT ASPHALT UNDERNEATH, CRACKS THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO CAPTURE, WE GO DOWN A LITTLE FARTH ER ER. MAN HOLES THAT NEED TO BE ADJUSTED, MARKING ALL OF THOSE, MAKING SURE WE GET THE PROPER, FINAL WORK TO BE DONE TO MAINTAIN THE ROADWAY AS WELL AS WHEN THEY START DOING PAVING, OUR INSPECTORS WITH THEM THE WHOLE TIME INCLUDING INSPECTION, CONFIRMING EVERYTHING IS MEETING COMPACTION AND THEY ARE GETTING AROUND THE EDGES, CONFIRMING THE WORK IS DONE CORRECTLY. MAKING SURE THERE IS ENOUGH TACK PUT DOWN, TAKING EVERY TICKET FROM THE TRUCK TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE GETTING THE CORRECT TONNAGE THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR. AFTER THAT PROCESS, THE INSPECTOR WILL GO BACK OUT AND DRIVE EVERYTHING TO CONFIRM THERE IS NOTHING THAT WAS MISSED. UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS WITH PEOPLE. AND THEN WE WILL SET IT UP FOR THE FINAL STRIPING, LANE INDICATORS AND ALL THOSE ITEMS TO FIND ALL OF IT BEFORE IT IS COMPLETE. SO THIS IS THE DASHBOARD THEY COME UP WITH.

THIS IS HOW WE GOT OUR EXCELLENT, GOOD, AVERAGE, POOR.

THERE IS A FIFTH CATEGORY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY. IT IS CRITICAL.

EVERYTHING 15 OR LESS, WE DON'T T HAVE ANY ROADS THAT FIT THAT CRITERIA. IT IS ZERO FOR US. SO THEY BREAK IS UP INTO FIVE GROUPS, JUST TO BE A LITTLE MORE BROAD. THERE ARE THREE GROUPS IF YOU DO PACER IN THE STATE. THEY BREAK IT INTO THREE GROUPS. OUR CORE CLOSELY REFLECTS WHAT IT WOULD BE. THE TOP IS A LITTLE MORE SQUISHED THAN WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE DONE. WE ADJUST THAT TO BE THE NUMBERS WE SHOW. I DO WANT TO COMMENT, IF WE HAVE 5% POOR, WHY ALL WE ADDRESSING THOSE. WE ARE ADDRESSING THOSE.

I DON'T HAVE ABILITY TO OVER LAY WITH WHAT WE ARE PAVING BUT AS OF NOW, 70% OF THESE WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THIS YEAR OR THE NEXT YEAR AND THE ONES THAT AREN'T ARE BEING STRATEGICALLY HELD OFF OF FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. A PERFECT EXAMPLE WOULD BE SPRING MILL NORTH OF 116TH STREET. IT IS THE JACKSON BUILDING. THAT HIT THE LIST TWO YEARS AGO IN THE POOR CATEGORY FOR TWO SEGMENTS OF IT. WE WERE HOLDING OFF BECAUSE AS THEY MADE ROAD CUTS, HAD WE MADE THE REPAIRS AT THE SAME TIME, WE WOULD BE BACK IN THE SAME HOLE BECAUSE OF HOW THEY ARE DOING THE ROAD CUTS AND ADDING ON THE TURN LANES. SO WE ARE STRATEGICALLY WAITING, DOING PATCHING TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE WHILE USING IT BUT WATTING UNTIL THEY ARE DONE SO WE CAN BE

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ANY UTILITY WORK, WE WILL KEEP HOLE OFF. WE MAKE SURE THEY ARE

PASSABLE AND SAFE. >> COUNCILOR GREEN? INTERESTING THE PROCESS YOU GO THROUGH. I GOT TO SEE IT IN DEPTH, SPRING ROLL RIDGE AND SPRING MILL STREET, JUST PIECES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE PROCESS YOU WENT THROUGH OVER A MONTH AND A HALF.

WHAT YOU ATTACK FIRST AND KIND OF WHY YOU ATTACK IT AND COMING BACK AFTER THE FACT. IT IS KIND OF INTERESTING LISTENING TO YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCESS. SO ACOR VERSUS PCI , WHICH DO YOU THINK IS MORE EXACT? OR GIVES YOU A MORE APPROACH OR REAL PERSPECTIVE OF THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD?

>> PCI IS DEFINITELY MORE ACCURATE. IT GIVES YOU ADDITIONAL STEPS. PACER IS 0 TO 10. AND 10 CAN ONLY BE ACHIEVED WHEN YOU FIRST BUILD A ROAD. SO AFTER THAT, IT IS REALLY 1 TO 9 SCALE SO IT IS A COMPRESSED SCALE. AND 4 TO 9 IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE ON THE ROADWAY, LIKELY THE BEGINNING OF DEEP RUTTING TO THE BEGINNING OF ALLIGATOR CRACKS ON THE EDGE WHICH WILL BE DIFFERENT REPAIRS. THIS GIVES US A MUCH MORE DEFINED AND ACCURATE NUMBER TO GO OFF OF.

>> OKAY. SO THE SCALE FROM 1 TO 100, WHAT'S THE GOAL? ANY ROAD, THERE ARE REASONS YOU STRATEGICALLY BUT WHAT IS USUALLY THE GOAL OR CUTOFF AS TO THIS IS OUR GOAL? ANYTHING 48,

50, WHATEVER IT IS. >> THIS IS OUR DECISION TREE WE HAVE BUILT. THIS IS HOW WE GET OUR BUDGET NUMBERS AND ASSESSMENT. SO 49 OR LESS IS WHERE WE WANT TO START LOOKING AT OVER LAY, KIND OF THE KEY CRITICAL. EVERYTHING ALWAYS HAS SEPARATOR ALLIGATOR CRACKING, THE DEFECT THAT WE DON'T DO CERTAIN TYPES OF TREATMENTS ON. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO BASE REPAIRS. AND IT MIGHT BE TWO ROADS WHERE WE MIGHT DO 2500 OR SIX AND A HALF OLD DEPTH MILL AND BASE REPAIR OVER 2,000, 2500 FEET, I JUST DID THE MEASUREMENTS A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. BUT IT IS KIND OF THOSE ROADS. THE SMALL AREAS WE WILL TACKLE INHOUSE. OUR CREW WILL DO THE 40 FEET OF THE DEFECTS. WE ARE PULLING THE DEFECTS OUT TO DISTINGUISH THEM. WE DON'T WANT ALLIGATOR CRACKS, ONE WILL NOT HELP. WE WILL PAINT THE WHOLE AREA WHERE THE SOLUTION IS SLICK.

>> APPRECIATE THE PROCESS YOU HAVE AND THE DECISION MATRIX, BASED ON DATA INSTEAD OF -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS TRUE IN THE OLD DAY BUT SOMEONE DRIVING AROUND AND SAYING, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOOD ENOUGH. LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW. BUT I REALLY LIKE THIS. IT TAKES IT, MAKES IT MORE OBJECTIVE, SO ALL OF CARMEL KNOWS, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE AND HERE'S THE PROCESS. COUNCILOR

AURORA? >> THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S WHY THE ROAD SCAN WAS SUCH A BIG DEAL FOUR YEARS AGO OR WHENEVER IT WAS. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP THAT YOU SHOWED ALL OF THE ROADS? AND THE AREA THAT YOU WERE POINTING OUT TO US THAT WERE TWO GROUPS, TWO WORKING GROUPS, TO THE WEST OF THAT IS STONEHENGE, CAN YOU ZERO IN A LITTLE BIT? MY EYES ARE BAD. SO THE RED, TELL ME WHAT THE RED INDICATES AGAIN?

>> THERE IS ONLY ENTRANCE OFF OF SPRING MILL. THIS USES A

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OUR POOR SECTION. >> GOT IT.

>> EVERYTHING BELOW THAT 5% IS FROM WHAT THIS SAYS POOR AND UP,

41 AND UP. >> VERY GOOD, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. NOW CEMENT OR CONCRETE I SHOULD SAY. THOSE ARE TROUBLE -- MATT AND I HAVE BEEN OUT IN THAT AREA A DOZEN TIMES.

ARE WE TRYING TO REPLACE THOSE? ARE WE JUST TRYING TO REPAIR THOSE WHEN IT SAYS ON THE OTHER SCREEN, YOUR MATRIX, THE ASPHALT CONCRETE, WHEN YOU ARE MAKING THAT DECISION, WHAT IS GOING ON

WITH CONCRETE? >> SO THIS YEAR, UP UNTIL THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE GOING TO COMPLETELY TAKING IT OUT. BUT NOW THERE IS A BIGGER DISCUSSION ON WHETHER THE COUNTY WANTS TO TAKE OUT A BOND TO BUTTEFY THE AREA. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS WE WANT TO TRY AND WHAT WE WANT TO TRY, PROBABLY NOT AS MUCH FAILURE. IS IT 3 INCH? THERE ARE TWO METHODS WE WANT TO TRY BECAUSE OF THE DEPTH OF THE CONCRETE. WELL, ACTUALLY, I APOLOGIZE. MY QUESTION IS GOING A DIFFERENT WAY. I KNOW

LEXINGTON IS BAD. >> THE CONCRETE ROAD NETWORK IS 3% OF THE TOTAL. IT GOT AVOIDED FOR PROBABLY FOUR YEARS BECAUSE THEY EXPANDED THE SCOPE. THES WOULD HAVE BEEN, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, PROBABLY 2017 TO 2019. WE ARE NOT ABANDONING THE CONCRETE ROADS. WE WILL STILL CONTINUE TO DO THE FULL PANEL REPLACEMENTS IN THOSE AREAS. BUT ULTIMATELY, ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH CONCRETE ROADS OR THE MAIN ISSUE IS RIGHTABILITY. THEY DON'T LIKE

THE JOINTS. >> EXACTLY. THAT'S WHERE I'M

HEADED. >> THE ONE THING WE WERE TRYING WITH THE LEXINGTON PROJECT AND COULD STILL TRY UP THERE AND ON THE OTHER ROADS IS ESSENTIALLY LIKE A 3 INCH MILL WHERE THEY WOULD COME IN AND PUT AN INCH AND A HALF OF FIBER DOWN THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HELP, SOMEWHAT ELIMINATE THE REFLECTIVE CRACKING BACK UP THROUGH THE ASPHALT AND COME BACK WITH ANOTHER INCH AND A HALF ON TOP WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY MAKE THE DRIVE SURFACE ASPHALT WHICH SHOULD ELIMINATE SOME OF THE RIDABILITY ISSUES AND MAKE IT EASIER TO MAINTAIN. BUT WE DON'T HAVE A HISTORY OR KNOWLEDGE SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO EVERY ROAD LIKE THAT. AND WE END UP MOVING SOME OF THAT IF WE END UP GETTING THE REST OF THE MONEY, WE MAY END UP DOING THE

REST OF THAT. >> IN STONEHENGE?

>> IN THE MIDDLE. SO AGAIN, I WANT T TO MAKE SURE I HAVE IT RIGHT IN MY BRAIN. WE ARE NOT GOING TO REPLACE CONCRETE WITH

ASPHALT? >> IT LOOKS LIKE HE WILL ON LEXINGTON. EVERY PLACE ELSE, I DON'T SO THE VALUE. IT DOESN'T MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE. IT WAS GOING TO BE A MILLION AND A

HALF. >> SO FOR LEXINGTON BOULEVARD, LENGTH AND SIZE, IT WOULD BE $1.1 MILLION AND TO REDO ASPHALT WHILE MAINTAINING ACCESS TO PEOPLE'S HOME. THAT'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT'S A CONSIDERATION WE HAVE TO MAKE.

THAT'S WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT THE 3 INCH MILL. OTHER AREAS AROUND US HAVE USED IT AND IT HAS BEEN RELATIVELY SUCCESSFUL.

IT HAS A SHORT BASIS OF KNOWLEDGE. SO WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TO DO IT ON ROADS THAT ARE AT LEAST 9 INCH THICK OF

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BECAUSE ASPHALT TOP GIVES IT THE STRENGTH. SO WE NEED 6 INCHES OF CONCRETE BELOW THE ASPHALT TO KEEP THE PANELS FROM ROCKING. WE THINK THAT WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL METHOD. OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE ONE TEST, GIVE IT A YEAR OR TWO TO SEE THE RESULTS AND SEE THAT SCAN. AND THEN WE WOULD START MOVING FORWARD GRATING THE REST OF THE ROAD NETWORK THEREAT WAS OUR PLAN. LEXINGTON FAILED THE CORE TEST. WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE NEXT SPOT TO GO TO .

>> AND THE MACHINE WE TESTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, FAILURE?

>> YEAH, WE REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL COMPANIES TO TRY THE MICROGRINDING THEY DID ON THE INTERSTATE. THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO AND RYAN CAN SPEAK TO THIS. ON A HIGHWAY AT HIGHER SPEEDS, THERE IS A LOT MORE TOLERANCE OF ROUGHNESS BECAUSE CARS TRAVELLING SO FAST THAT YOU DON'T -- THE CAR ABSORBS MOST OF IT. WHEN WE INSPECT IT AND TRIED TO QUOTE IT OUT, WE PUT A VERY LIMITING THRESHOLD ON WHAT WE PASSED AND KIND OF SCARED OFF SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS BECAUSE OF THE LOWER SPEED. THEY WEREN'T SURE IF THEY COULD REACH THAT LEVEL OF SMOOTHNESS.

WE HAVEN'T GIVEN UP ON IT YET. IT HAS JUST BEEN A CHALLENGE TO FIND AN EFFECTIVE, EFFICIENT WAY TO RECOVER. IT CAME IN ABOUT TWO

AND A HALF TIMES HIGHER. >> IN NUMBERS I WENT 40% OVER, ASSUMING SMALLER SCALE AND THE CURB AND LIMITING FACTORS, IT WOULD BE HIGHER. IT CAME IN TWO TIMES HIGHER AND ABOUT 300,000

TO 720 OR 620, SORRY. >> COUNCILOR LIE?

>> OKAY, SO ALL OF THE RED IS LESS, BASED ON THE NUMBERS, 5% OF THE TOTAL NUMBERS ARE RED. QUESTION, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DATA SET. WE STARTED DOING THIS IN 2022 WHEN WE WENT TO THE STREET SCAN. WE HAVE LONGITUDINAL DATA TO SHOW INFRASTRUCTURE. DO WE HAVE A KNOWLEDGE BASE ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHERE WE ARE TRENDING? I ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE FINANCE XHEETS ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BASED ON THE OPEN QUESTION OF THE LAST MEETING IF WE CAN FIND MORE VALUE OR WAYS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF SOME OF THE SECTIONS WHILE WE HAVE CASH READY OR AVAILABLE, CAN WE EXTRAPOLATE THAT TAKING SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE NOW WILL PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION GOING FORWARD AS WE LOOK AT TIGHTER BUDGETS?

>> WE DID DO THAT WITH A SECOND SCAN. WE SHOWED AREAS THAT HAD THE BIGGEST CHANGES IN THEM. UNFORTUNATELY, TWO POINTS DOESN'T MAKE A LINE. SO IT IS KIND OF HARD TO WRAP THOSE. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE AREAS THAT MIGHT NEED MORE REBUILD PROCESS. AND GIVEN LAST WINTER, WE PROVIDED A LIST AND WE HAVE EVERY YEAR ROADS ARE REPAVED. WE LOOKED AT THE GAP NEEDED TO BE REPAVED. WE HAVE DONE THIS WITH ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT METRICS. WE ARE PREPARING THOSE AND WAITING FOR NEXT YEAR'S SCAN AT THE END OF THE SPRING. AT THE THIRD POINT, WE WILL BE ABLE TO LAY OUT THE TREND. WE WILL BE ABLE TO TWEAK THE CURVE TO FOLLOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE SEEING. WE USE THE NATIONAL CURVE THAT TAKES IN DIFFERENT WEATHER CONDITIONS.

BEING ABLE TO FIND THE THREE POINTS, ALL OF THE AREAS AND BEING ABLE TO ADJUST FOR THE MOST ACCURATE INFORMATION IS SOMETHING WE ARE REVIEWING AND GETTING OLD DATA BACK FOR THEM.

WE HAVE ONLY DONE TWO SCANS BACK. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO SHOW THE TREND OF THE LINE. ARE WE DOING PCI DATA ON TOP OF

THAT TO GET THROUGH? >> BEFORE WE DO PAVING, WE DO THE PCI. THERE IS PROBABLY 5% OF THE DATA POINTS IN THAT SECTION.

IT IS LIKE A QUARTER OF ROUND ABOUT SEGMENTS OR ROUND ABOUT SPLIT INTO FOUR SEGMENTS. A SINGLE POT HOLE IN THAT AREA

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>> SO THE PCI IS UNKNOWABLE OTHER THAN TWO DATA POINTS. HAVE WE SEEN A DECREASE IN THE NUMBERS WE SAW FOR THE FIRST SCAN UNTIL NOW? LET'S SAY WE ARE AT 28% GOOD, WHATEVER THE NUMBERS ARE, HAVE WE SEEN A DECREASE IN THE VALUE FROM THIS

SCAN TO THE NEXT? >> WE WERE 63.2, WE GOT THE LAST ONE BACK WE WERE 64.7. SO IT WENT UP. SO AS WE CURRENTLY SIT, WE DID OUR DETEARIATION FOR THE WHOLE YEAR IN APRIL. AS WE MAKE OUR REPAIRS AND GAIN BACK ON THAT, WE ARE PROJECTED AT 65.4 OR SO. COULD BE HIGHER AND ACCOUNTED FOR WHAT WE COULD DO HIGHER ON THE CONTRACT. WHEN WE DID THE BUDGETING FORECAST, IT BREAKS OUT THE COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. I DID TEN YEARS, GOING FROM CURRENT SCORE TO A 70PCI WHICH WILL BE 6 POINT CHANGE OVERALL INCLUDING 3.5% FOR INFLATION OR ADDITIONAL COST INCREASES. THIS FACTORS THAT IN TO WHERE IT GOES UP EVERY YEAR. SO WHAT IS TRIGGERING IS ONCE IT HITS THE METHODS, WE ARE TRIMMING IT, WHETHER IT IS REJUVENATED, SEAL, IT IS CALCULATING THE COSTS INTO IT AND WHAT IT CAME BACK WAS FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, 9.25 MILLION BUT THAT INCLUDES $750,000 WORTH OF PRESERVATION METHODS IN IT WHICH KEEPS THE 8.5 WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE GOING FOR AS COSTS CONTINUE TO GO UP FOR INFLATION, WE WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER BUT THAT'S WHERE THE SYSTEM HAS BENEFITTED US TO BE ABLE TO VISUALIZE THAT AND PULLING OUT WHAT WE NEED TO

BE DOING TO FORECAST OUR GOALS. >> AND BASED ON THAT, WE STILL REVIEW THE PCI AS A HOLDOVER? JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT DATA WISE WHERE WE CAN SEE TREND OR TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT DATA AND THAT HASN'T NORMALIZED OVER TIME TO SHOW WHAT THE ACTUAL PCI IS. AS WE LOOK T AT THIS, ARE WE ADDRESSING CONCERNS THE RIGHT WAY TO ENSURE THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE ARE DOING OR THE UPKEEP IS NOT JUST SMOOTHING OVER . TO ENSURE WE ARE ARE SEEING THERE

IS MORE CAPITAL. >> I'M HEARING YOU WILL HAVE TO INVEST MORE CAPITAL AT SOME POINT BECAUSE OF INFLATION. I THINK WE HAVE TRIED TO TAKE A WHOLISTIC APPROACH SO WE ARE NOT GETTING BEHIND . IF WE JUST CARED ABOUT PCI SCORE, WE WOULD JUST DO THE RED ROADS. WE WOULD GET RID OF THE POT HOLES AND THE SCORE GOES UP. BUT WE HAVE HAD TO MAKE -- LIKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO MAKE CONCESSIONS WHEN I TOOK OVER THE PAVING STUFF, WE DECIDED AT THAT TIME WE WOULD START UP WITH WHOLE SUBDIVISIONS AND REALIZED THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE TWO BIG. BUT THERE ARE AREAS IN THE PAST WHERE WE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AT SOME POINT AND PICK THEM UP AND TRY TO ADD IT IN WHEN WE ARE CLOSE. WE HAVE DONE THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE SIPGAL ROADS WERE SKIPPED AND SHOULDN'T T HAVE BEEN. SOMETIMES THEY DID THE MAIN DRAW SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GET INTO ADA COMPLIANCE. WHEN WE GO IN TO THE SECTIONS, WE ARE DOING WHOLISTIC APPROACH, SIDEWALK STAUF TO GET US INTO A BETTER POSITION SO WE ARE NOT FALLING BEHIND. IF WE JUST WANTED TO CONCERN OURSELVES WITH PCI SCORE, WE WOULD JUST DO THE RED ROADS. AND AS RYAN MENTIONED, IT IS ACCURATE. EVERYTHING IS BASED ON SQUARE

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PRACTICING ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE DONE. IF YOU WAIT TOO LONG, IT IS A LOST CAUSE, JUST PATCHING OVER IT AND PUTTING A BAND AID ON SOMETHING THAT WILL GET WORSE AND WORSE. FROM A PRESERVATION AND MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, WE HISTORICALLY HADN'T DONE ANYTHING OTHER THAN MILL AND FILL FOR PROBABLY THE FIRST 16, 17 YEARS I WORKED HERE BUT WE STARTED ADDING IN THESE THINGS TO TRY TO GET THAT, EVEN TO THE POINT I KNOW COUNCILLOR WAS OUT AND THEY SAID THEY WOULDN'T ASPHALT AND PAVE OVER THE GUTTER INE AND NOW THE GUTTER LINE CRACKS OUT AND EVERYONE HATES IT AND IT LOOKS BAD. WHAT WE ARE DOING IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PAVED MULTIPLE TIMES, WE GO IN THERE AND TRY TO MILL, SAVE THE CURB, AND PUT THE ASPHALT BACK WHERE IT WAS AND ELIMINATE THE FUTURE CRACK. CRACKS ACROSS THE ROAD, THERE IS USUALLY UTILITIES UNDER GROUND AND THE CRACK ALONG THE EDGE OF THE GUTTER LINE ARE TYPICALLY THE BIGGEST TWO COMPLAINTS. WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS WITH CRACK ISSUES AND WE WENT IN AND DID MASTIC ON THE CRACKS AND THE REST OF THE ROAD WAS IN GOOD SHAPE. THE LIQUID ROAD WHICH IS A SEALANT, SO FAR THOSE HAVE BEEN WORKING OUT REALLY NICE. IT PROBABLY WASN'T ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE ROAD. ALL OF THOSE THINGS SEEM TO BE WORKING. WE ARE GAINING GROUND. I CAN PULL UP THE BUDGET TOOL IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT. I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE IT CALCULATES ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS. I THINK WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, YOU ARE PROBABLY 2028, AND DAT 29, WE WILL HAVE TO START UPTICKING. BUT LEXINGTON, THAT AREA, THOSE WOB FOR ME, THAT WOULD BE THE MOST SENSITIVE IF COUNCIL HAD AN IDEA TO BOND ANY MONEY. I AGREE THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BOND MONEY JUST TO RESURFACE. BUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS -- AND THEN WE TRACK AND IDENTIFY. WE ARE STARTING TO ATTACK THE DEEP REPAIRS. BUT YOU KIND OF RUN INTO SOME PLACES, 141 STREET IS A CHALLENGE. WE DON'T HAVE GOOD WATER SHED OFF OF THE EDGES, RIGHT? SO SOME OF THOSE GET SOFT. THE LAST TIME WE PAVED IT, WE WENT IN AND DID A LOT OF REPAIR THAT TYPICALLY IN THE PAST, WE HADN'T. THAT'S WHY LEXINGTON IS IN SUCH BAD SHAPE.

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>> JUST TO THAT, I FEEL LIKE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESS. I WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE ARE HERE TO MAKE A TRANSFER BECAUSE THE BUDGET WAS NOT SET TO PLAN. OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS A STRATEGIC ELEMENT TO ALL OF THIS BUT AS YOU GO INTO THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, PLEASE PUT THE EFFORT IN TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE STRATEGIC AMOUNT YOU NEED BECAUSE 2029 WILL BE TIGHT. SO THE IDEA OF STAYING UP ON THE MATTER INTRINZICALLY TO THE CITY IS PARAMOUNT. DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK US TO KIND OF BACKUP A REASONABLE STRATEGIC APPROACH TO TAKING CARE OF THIS MOVING FORWARD SO THAT IT IS IN THE BUDGET AND WE ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR PENNIES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND COME NEXT JULY,

AUGUST. THANK YOU. >> ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS?

>> I JUST HAD A FEW. YOU STATED 70% OF THE 5% POOR WHICH INCAP SLATES ANYTHING 41 AND UNDER? 40.

>> WE WOULD ADDRESS THIS WITH THE 6.8 WE HAVE APPROPRIATED NOW AND THE ADDITIONAL 2.5 WOULD BE ABLE TO COVER 70% OF THOSE BETWEEN THIS YEAR'S AND NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET?

>> WE ARE TRENDING TOWARDS THE SAME GOAL AS NEXT YEAR WHICH IS

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COVER 70%. >> SO WITH THE 2.5 ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION THIS YEAR. WHAT IS OUR TARGET RATING AS A CITY AS A WHOLE? IS IT 70? AND WHY IS 70 SELECTED? WE SELECTED 70 AS A SCORE BECAUSE LOOKING THROUGH DATA OF OTHER CITIES AND AREAS TO GAIN, EVEN HAVE A PCI POINT OVER ANY FIVE YEAR PERIOD WOULD BE A PRETTY BIG ACHIEVEMENT. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, THERE WAS ONE CITY IN INDIANA THAT WENT FROM 62 UP TO 68. THEY DID IT IN THE WAY WHERE THEY TAG EVERY TREATMENT THEY COULD TO GET THE SCORE UP. WE WANT TO GET TO THAT SAME LEVEL WITH A MUCH LARGER ROAD NETWORK. THE CITY IN QUESTION HAD 200 LANE MILES. BUT TO MOVE THAT BIG OF A NETWORK THAT FAR WOULD BE VERY LEFTY GOALS. WE RAN THE CALCULATIONS AND SAW WHAT IT WAS, IT WAS AN ACHIEVABLE NUMBER BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS BEING GIVEN. AND SO WE CHOSE THAT NUMBER TO BE AT LEAST A FIRST STEP.

>> THE 70 RATING WOULD BE AN AVERAGE OF ALL OF OUR ROADS.

YES, ALL ROADS BROKEN OUT PER SQUARE YARDS.

>> AND DO YOU HAVE WHAT AVERAGE RATING FISHER IS?

>> FISHER'S IS THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE AS THEY USE PACER.

WESTFIELD DOESN'T SHOW ON THE OLD TAB PORTALAL. SO WE ARE KIND OF LIMITED. FISHER'S AS INTO 2024, THEY WERE 6.49 OR 5.1.

>> WHERE WOULD WE BE AT ON THE PACER?

>> ON THE PACER SCALE, 70 WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST UNDER A 7

BECAUSE OF THE 9 SCALE. >> SO OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE BETTER

ROADS THAN FISHER'S RATING? >> YES.

>> WHAT IS YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET TARGET FOR NEXT YEAR? AND WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS, LONGTERM CAPITAL ASSET MANAGEMENT PLANNING. ARBITRARILY, YOU WERE HELD AT $5 MILLION A YEAR. YOU DETERMINED THIS YEAR IS 8.3. HOW DID YOU DETERMINE THIS YEAR AND HOW ARE YOU TARGETING? THAT IS YOUR BEST ESTIMATE BASED ON THE 70 AVERAGE RATING? THE AVERAGE RATING OF

MAINTAINING OUR ROADS AT 70? >> SO WHEN WE ESTABLISH THE 70PCI THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO WORK THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND COME UP WITH A PLAN. SO IF YOU THINK OF EVERY ROAD TREATMENT

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THE $5 MILLION THAT WAS THROWN OUT HAS BEEN A BIT ARBITRARY. WE HADN'T SPENT -- IF WE WENT BACK AND PULLED THE NUMBERS, IT WAS LESS THAN $5 MILLION. WE WERE AT $5 MILLION FOR THREE YEARS I THINK. THAT STARTED IN 2020 ROUGHLY. I PUT IN FOR -- OR FOR 2021, I HAD ASKED FOR $5 MILLION FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IT WOULD TAKE THAT MUCH BASED ON WHAT WE WERE PROJECTING INFLATION COST WOULD BE TO DO THE SAME AMOUNT OF ROAD AS WE DID THE YEAR BEFORE. AS WE GET TO THE 8.5, I THINK IT GOT LANDED ON THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE SURTAX THAT THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO COME THROUGH ON TOP OF THE 5. THEN WE FOUND OUT WE WOULD GET IT THIS YEAR AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED DURING BUDGET HEARINGS WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO UNDERSPEND THE GENERAL FUND AND COME BACK FOR IT. SO WHEN WE WENT TO BID IN JANUARY, TECHNICALLY IN THE BUDGET WAS $5.9 MILLION. WE AWARDED $6.9 MILLION SO WE COULD EXPAND. SO WITH 20% OF THE CONTRACT, I CAN EXPAND THE SCOPE TO REACH THE $8.5 MILLION WITHOUT HAVING TO REBID ANOTHER PROJECT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THIS YEAR BASED ON OUR INFORMATION OF THE SYSTEM, THAT $9.2 MILLION TOTAL BETWEEN RESURFACING AND --.

>> CAN YOU PULL UP THE DASH? >> THE $8.5 MILLION THIS YEAR IS STILL BELOW THE TARGET GOAL OF WHERE THINK YOU NEED TO BE TO

GET TO 70? >> NO, BUT IN THE NEXT FEW

YEARS. >> IF WE DON'T STAY AT ABOUT 8.5, 8.3, CAN WE GET CLOSER TO 9?

>> THAT 8.5 PROBABLY IN -- THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS TO LOOK AT IT. YOU CAN INCREASE ROAD PRESERVATION AND MAINTENANCE, THAT LINE ITEM. AND IN DOING THAT, WE ARE DOING MORE CRACK SEALING, MORE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE WHICH ADDS TO IT.

BUT AS RYAN PULLED UP, THIS IS OUR -- HE CAN EXPLAIN THIS IS HOW IT BREAKS DOWN IN THE BUDGET YEAR. THE AVERAGE IS GOING TO BE THE 8.5. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF YEARS THAT ARE SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER. THE WAY THE TOOL WORKS IS THE FIRST YOUR IT HITS, IT WANTS TO DO IT. WAITING A YEAR OR TWO DOESN'T AFFECT THAT. IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT THE FINAL PRODUCT WILL BE. THAT'S WHERE YOU WENT THROUGH AND ASSESSED IT, WAY MORE IN DEPTHS WHERE IT IS ASKING TO DO EACH YEAR AND WE GOT TO THE GRADUAL CHANGE FROM 8.5 IN TRUE PAVING NUMBER WITH THE THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILLION ROAD PRESERVATION. WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT NUMBER AND WE WILL NEED TO AFTER TWO TO THREE YEARS SLOWLY START TICKING UP TO GET

TO ABOUT 9.5. >> SO BASICALLY THE 8.5 THIS YEAR WAS SOMEWHAT NOT BASED OFF OF THIS DATA YOU HAD BEEN COLLECTING AND GETTING TO. BUT ONCE YOU GOT THE DATA AND COLLECTED IT, YOU WERE LIKE, WE COULD USE THE 8.5 THIS YEAR. WE GOT THE DATA LAST AUGUST. WE HAD IT BEFORE BUDGET HEARINGS.

>> OKAY. >> SO WE'VE GOT THE $5 MILLION OF MBH APPROPRIATED THERE. WE KIND OF SET ASIDE THAT MUCH

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>> THIS YEAR'S BUDGET INCLUDED $400,000 IN GENERAL FUND, 1206.

AND THEN THERE WAS 525,000 IN LOCAL ROADS AND STREETS. THAT PUT US AT ABOVE 5.9. THEN WE WERE GOING TO GET TO 3.6 TO MAKE

UP THE DIFFERENCE. >> MY POINT IN BRINGING THAT UP IS WE ARE AT THE EXTRA 2.5, WE ARE PUSHING THE $9 MILLION IF

NOT $9.5 MILLION. >> WE WILL BE RIGHT THERE. THE MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE BRIDGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT THE REPAVING STUFF. BUT THAT SHOULD BE FINISHING UP. WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO FINISHING UP. BUT THAT $8.5 MILLION GIVES US AS YOU CAN SEE, WHEN WE START TO GET -- THAT TOTAL COST IN MONEY, IT WILL INCLUDE OUR PRESERVATION STUFF. SO IF YOU TAKE THE 750,000 PLUS 8.5, WE ARE NOW AT $9.25 MILLION. SO IN 26, WE WOULD BE HIGHER THAN WHAT WAS IN THE PROGRAM, LOWER THAN 27. BUT WHEN YOU GET BACK TO 29, IT TICKS UP. IT CAME IN HARSHER THAN WHAT WE SAW ON THE SCANS. IT RATED THEM.

>> THE CURVE WE PUT IN WAS ONE THAT WAS BASED OFF OF THE MINNESOTA TEST TRACK WHICH MDOT HAS FUNDED MONEY. THEY HAVE MUCH COLDER WINTERS BUT THEY TEST SUCH A WIDE VARIETY OF ASPHALTS, WOE KIND OF USE THEIR CURVE. BASED ON THE FIRST TWO SCANS, IT IS MORE EXTREME THAN WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY SEEING. WE ARE HOPING WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADJUST IT. WHEN WE DID THE SECOND SCAN, SOME OF THE ROADS WENT UP FROM THE DETEARIATION CURVE. WE DID LOOK AT THAT. NOT VERY SCIENTIFIC TO USE TWO POINTS AND NOT USE A LARGER GAP TO CHANGE THAT. SO STILL GOING OFF OF THE RESEARCH THAT WAS DONE OFF OF THAT MINNESOTA TEST TRACK BECAUSE OF THE LONG HISTORY OF USING IT. NEXT YEAR WE WILL START TO TWEAK IT TO ADJUST WHAT WE ARE SEEING FOR OUR ROAD

NETWORK AND WEATHER CONDITIONS. >> SO A DEGRADATION CURVE MAY BE ACCURATE IN THREE OR FOUR WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS TOO

CONSERVATIVE AT ONE OR TWO. >> YES.

>> THEN THE OTHER QUESTION, I HAD A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING OR WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE IS MAJOR STORM WATER ISSUES IN LEXINGTON. HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO VERIFY THAT AND IF STORMWATER NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? AND IF SO, WE SHOULD TIME THAT WITH OUR WHEN WE DO THE PAVING AND ROAD REPAIRS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD?

>> YEAH, I HAVEN'T GOT CONFIRMATION ON THE STORMWATER SIDE AS FAR AS BRAD. I KNOW THE PIPING WAS UNDERSIZED. I HAVEN'T T SEEN HIS SIN OPSIS OF IT YET SO I CAN'T SPEAK OF THAT. BUT TO YOUR POINT, IF WE ARE GOING TO REDO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE ARE STORMWATER THINGS, THAT WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO IT ALL. IF YOU ARE GOING TO ONE OFF A PROJECT LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE A BOND PROJECT.

>> IT IS MORE OF A REPLACE THAN A REPAIR?

>> YOU, YOU WOULD BE REPLACING PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

>> WE HAVE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON TOWN ROAD, THE WORK, ADDING THE RAISED CROSSWALKS PRIMARILY, JUST COMMENTS ABOUT NOT BEING -- JUST TRAFFIC AND DEALING WITH THAT SIDE OF TOWN.

WHAT'S AN UPDATE ON THOSE? AND WHEN WILL THOSE PLAN TO BE

COMPLETED? >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT BECAUSE IT IS AN ENGINEERING PROJECT. T THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER ISSUE.

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>> THAT IS ANNISH OUE IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY ARE

CLOSING DOWN ROADS. >> HE WAS OFF LAST WEEK AND HE WAS NOT IN ON THE ENGINEERING MEETING. SO WE DO MEET FOR

PROJECTS. >> OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THANK

YOU. >> WE TALK EVERY OTHER WEEK IF NOT MORE FREQUENTLY AND WE DO COMMUNICATE INTERDEPARTMENTALLY.

MAIN STREET SHOULD BE REOPENING AT THE END OF THIS WEEK AT WHICH POINT 126 WILL BE CLOSING TO GET AS MUCH OF THE WORK DONE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS AND BE DONE BY THE EARLY PART OF SCHOOL STARTING.

DO WE KNOW ABOUT TOWN? >> TOWN AND MAIN STREET? MY UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE OR PARTS.

>> THAT WILL BE DONE END OF THIS WEEK, 116TH STREET B I BELIEVE HAS 2.5 WEEKS LEFT. AND THEN TOWN AND 126 WILL CLOSE TO DO THOSE THROUGH THE EARLY PART OF THE WEEK. OKAY.

>> LET ME MAKE SURE I GOT EVERYTHING. COUNCILLOR?

>> ONE FINAL QUESTION. WHEN DID YOU SET THE 70 AS THE PCI GOLD

NUMBER? >> THAT WAS FROM THE KPI LAST

FALL. OKAY. >> ORIGINALLY WE HAD A GOAL OF INCREASING ONE POINT OVER TWO YEARS. THEN WE FORMALIZED IT TO

THE KPI LAST FALL. >> OKAY. JUST WONDERING, AGAIN AS WE ELOOK AT THE DATA AND THE NEW SET IS COMING IN, IF THAT NEEDS TO MOVE, 70 IS HALFWAY BETWEEN FOUR SO PERFECT. SO 50% OF THE ROADS COULD HAVE A FOUR AND IN THE RED AND 50% COULD BE IN THE GREEN. I'M WONDERING IF DATA WISE THAT T IS THE RIGHT NUMBER AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT SETS THAT FOR US? AND FIRST TIME WE HEARD ABOUT THE PCI PROCESS IS TODAY. GRATEFUL THAT THERE IS STRATEGY AND THERE ARE NUMBERS THERE AND EXCITED TOSEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD BUT TO SET THE BUDGET ON EXPECTATIONS AND BASED ON THAT AND NOT ARBITRARILY ON NUMBERS

AS THEY COME THROUGH. >> JUST A BACKGROUND FOR OUR RATING SYSTEM ON THE FIVE CATEGORIES, 70 IS THE START OF EXCELLENT. SO THAT'S WHERE OUR THRESHOLD. AND THEN HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO INCREASE FROM POINT ON. WE HAVE RUN BUDGET NUMBERS TO GET TO 75 AND GOT THE COSTS OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD. THAT NUMBER CHANGES FROM 9.25 TO11.5 MILLION. SO THAT'S THE GAP OF GETTING TO THAT POINT. ONCE YOU ACHIEVE THE FIRST STEP, THE NUMBER GETS A LITTLE CLOSER BECAUSE YOU ARE DOING IT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. YOU HIT 70, WE WILL PROBABLY NOT BE HAPPY AT STOPPING AT 70 AND SAYING WE DID IT. WE WILL TRY TO KEEP GOING UP. THAT WILL BE OUR NEXT MOVE.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE THE MORE IMPORTANT NUMBER THERE BASED ON THE AVERAGE BECOMES YOUR STANDARD DEVIATION TO ENSURE YOU ARE IN THE SUBSET AS OPPOSED TO A WIDE ARRAY OF CRUMMY RED ROADS, GLORIOUS GREEN ROADS AND DRIVING BETWEEN THEM, TO BE CLOSER TO THAT THAN YOU CAN. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

>> COUNCILLOR GREEN? >> THANKS. THE SCANS WILL TAKE PLACE SPRING OF 2026 WILL GIVE US A THIRD DATA POINT AND ACCURATE PICTURE TO SUSTAIN THE PCI I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SAID. BUT FOR THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, YOU THREW OUT $3.6 MILLION SURTAX. IS THAT WHAT WE WILL ANTICIPATE T FOR THIS

COMING BUDGET HERE? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> WITH THE $3.6 MILLION, BALLPARK, JUST AS A BALLPARK FOR US THINKING ABOUT THIS COMING BUDGET PROCESS, 9.2, $9.3 MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS, MINUS THE 3.6 IS WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO

PUT INTO THE WHOLE FUND? >> TRADITIONALLY THERE HAS BEEN $3.6 IS WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO PUT INTO THE WHOLE FUND?

>> TRADITIONALLY THERE HAS BEEN THE $5 MILLION MBH, P.6 MILLION OF REAL TAX TAKES IT TO 8.6. I NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK TO SEE HOW LOCAL ROAD AND STREET REVENUES ARE LOOKING FOR NEXT YEAR AND WHAT ARE BOND OBLIGATIONS ARE. USUALLY WE PAY PART OF A BOND OBLIGATION OUT OF THERE AND THE REST WE USE FOR PAVING OR

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>> NOW THE 8.5, THAT INCLUDED THE ROAD PRESERVATION? IT IS

STRAIGHT PAVING. >> AND TOO, I THINK IT GETS LOST SOMETIMES. MOST OF WHAT WE PAVE NEXT WE ARE, WE WILL DO A LOT OF MAIN ROADS TO TRY TO GET CAUGHT UP FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WE HAVE SOME AREAS WE NEED TO TOUCH UP AND DO SOME THINGS ON. SO BUT IN ALL OF THAT, LIKE THE MAIN ROADS PROBABLY, I'M SPECULING BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH CONCRETE COSTS AS WHEN WE JUMP INTO THE SUBDIVISION. ONE OF THESE MANAGEMENT SECTIONS COULD HAVE A HALF MILLION IN CONCRETE COSTS. IT EATS UP QUITE A BIT OF THE CANDY. IT IS GETTING OUR ADA COMPLIANCE CONCURRENT AND GETS EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE SAME TIME SCALE AND DEGRADATION INSTEAD OF HOPPING AROUND. IT GETS US BETTER RATES, RIGHT?

>> YEAH. >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE DASHBOARD? THE MAIN SCREEN. SO

EXPLAIN TO ME THE BACK LOG. >> THE BACK LOG IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF ROADS THAT WILL NEED WORK DURING A TEN YEAR PERIOD -- OR FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SORRY. SO WE WILL DO ALL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE DURING THAT TIME AS A SEASON.

>> BASED ON THE RATING? >> THE RATING AND THE REPAIR

METHODS WE SET UP. >> YOU PUT THOSE INPUTS IN THERE AND IT CALCULATES IT? CAN I SAY THAT DIFFERENTLY? IF YOU WANTED TO GET TO 70 TODAY, IT WOULD COST YOU 41.5, IF THAT WAS REALISTCHY POSSIBLE, THAT IS WHAT IT WOULD COST TODAY TO DO

IT. >> OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> CAN WE PLAY WITH THAT BY ANY CHANCE OR IS THAT ALL BEHIND THE VEIL? I'LL BE IN YOUR OFFICE AT

SOME POINT. >> YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME AND WE WILL SET UP A TIME. IF YOU CHANGE SOMETHING ON HERE, IT CHANGES IT FOR EVERYONE WHO USES IT. WE USE IT WITH THE SIDEWALKS SO I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE REPAIR METHODS BECAUSE I CAUGHT AN ERROR WHERE WE HAD ADJUSTED IT TO DO SOMETHING AND I REALIZED IT WAS REALLY MESSED WITH THE NUMBERS WHEN I RAN A BUDGET AND I HAD TO DELETE ALL OF THE OLD BUDGETS THAT'S WERE WRONG AND CHANGE IT OUT. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE ANYONE OUT TO GO OVER IT AND MAKE CHANGES.

>> THEY SHOULD HAVE A SIN CITY VERSION. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY. IS THERE A MOTION RELATED TO

ORDINANCE D-2774-25? >> MOVE TO SEND IT BACK TO THE FULL COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.

>> MOTION BY RYAN, SECONDED BY TONY. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING RYAN'S MOTION VOTE ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE. MOTION CARRIES, 4-1. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? WE WILL AJOURN AT 5:01

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