[Central Designated Outdoor Refreshment Area Committee on July 29, 2025.]
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D.O.R.A. COMMITTEE, THE PURPOSE, ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TO TAKE ANY TESTIMONY, COMPLAINTS, ISSUES FROM THE PUBLIC, AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE THOSE HERE SO THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH THEM. WE DID HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES ARISE WHERE SOMEONE FILLED OUT A BLUE CARD AND SPOKE TO CITY COUNCIL. THIS WOULD REALLY BE THE PLACE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WE COULD DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES IMMEDIATELY. THE COMPLAINT WAS THE PLACEMENT OF A D.O.R.A. SIGN. THE ENTERING AND EXITING WAS IN FRONT OF SOMEONE'S HOME, WE GOT THAT CORRECTED. SO, I WOULD OPEN THE MEETING BY RECOGNIZING ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK , THERE IS NOBODY HERE, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT INTO OUR AGENDA. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE, WHY DON'T WE FIRST, IF YOU WOULD, LET'S JUST GO DOWN THE LINE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND HOW YOU ARE CONNECTED TO THIS COMMITTEE. SO, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START HERE
WITH JEFF. >> JEFF BLAIR, AND THEY ARE
VOIDED. >> CARMEL STREET DEPARTMENT, I WAS APPOINTED BY THE COMMISSIONER.
>> MY NAME IS JEFF ORRELL, ON THE CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE.
>> APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. >> JONATHAN PLATE, .
>> SHANE COLLINS, I WAS APPOINTED BY SHEEP STERLING.
>> EXCELLENT, OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, IS THERE , DO ANY OF THE MEMBERS HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS OR ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA THAT THEY WANT TO COVER BEFORE WE GET INTO THESE NEW ITEMS? OKAY, SEEING ONE, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT TO OUR FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS THE OPTION TO USE PLASTIC CUPS AS THE D.O.R.A. CUP. AND I THINK I'LL JUST NOT GIVE ANY PREAMBLE, WHO WANTS TO DEAL WITH THAT FIRST. RECOGNIZE, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SERGEI, IF YOU WOULD MIND BRINGING EVERYONE UP TO SPEED, AND THEN WE CAN FILL IN IF THERE'S ANY.
>> COUNCIL, WE WERE ON THIS ISSUE WITH MARKETING DEPARTMENT, KELLY DOUGLAS IS HERE, IF I SAY SOMETHING WRONG PLEASE CORRECT ME, I'M NOT GOING TO BE OFFENDED, BUT ESSENTIALLY, AS YOU KNOW, THIS COMMITTEE HAS APPROVED AN ALUMINUM CUP TO BE USED AS AN OFFICIAL D.O.R.A. CUP, IT LOOKS VERY COOL, IT'S A VERY SHARP LOOKING CUP, HOWEVER, DUE TO SEVERAL REASONS, IT IS A MORE COMPLICATED CUP TO GET FROM THE SUPPLIERS THAN PLASTIC. WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE INSTANCES WHERE THE DELIVERY SCHEDULES HAVE CHANGED, AND WE RECEIVED CUPS VERY LATE, WE ALSO HAVE INSTANCES WHERE THE PERMITTEES ALSO HAD TROUBLE ORDERING THOSE MAMA BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY TWO SUPPLIERS WHO MAKE THEM. AND ALSO, IT IS JUST A PRODUCTION TIME OF ALUMINUM CUP COMPARED TO PLASTIC CUP IS EXPONENTIALLY LONGER. WHICH CREATES AN ISSUE FOR TEMPORARY VENDORS, WHICH WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS WITHIN D.O.R.A., THAT SIMPLY HAVE TROUBLES ORDERING THE CUP AND GETTING IT IN TIME FOR AN EVENT. WE DO HAVE SOME SUPPLY OF EMERGENCY SUPPLY, IF YOU WILL, OF THOSE CUPS, ALUMINUM CUPS. AGAIN, THEY GO QUICKLY, AND THE SCHEDULES ARE WE CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL HAVE D.O.R.A. CUPS, FOR EITHER DESIGNATED PERMITTEES , BRICK AND MORTAR STORES, OR, TEMPORARY VENDORS WHO WOULD LIKE TO DISSIPATE IN AN EVENT. SO, UNDER THE D.O.R.A. ORDINANCE, PLASTIC CUPS ARE ALREADY ALLOWED, BUT, THE D.O.R.A. ORDINANCE ALSO DESIGNATES RESPONSIBILITY FOR APPROVING THE DESIGN MODIFICATIONS, TO THIS COMMITTEE. SO, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS TO ALLOW PLASTIC CUP
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AS AN OPTION, NOT AS SOLE OPTION, BUT AS AN OPTION TO USE AS A D.O.R.A. CUP, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY SOME ALUMINUM CUPS ALREADY IN CIRCULATION, ALUMINUM CUPS ALREADY HAVE BEEN ORDERED BY SOME OF THE DESIGNATED PERMITTEES, AND IN VARIOUS STAGES OF PRODUCTION AND DELIVERY, AND WE HAVE SOME CUPS LEFT AS WELL AS AN EMERGENCY SUPPLY. SO, IF A PLASTIC CUP WILL BE ADDED AS AN OPTION, IT WILL PROVIDE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY, AND WILL REALLY ELIMINATE A MAJORITY OF LOGISTICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH EVENTS, AND ORDERING OF THE CUPS BY DESIGNATED PERMITTEES. AND ANOTHER PLUS IS, PLASTIC CUPSARE CHEAPER. >> SO, DID YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN, KELLY? I THOUGHT I MIGHT JUST MENTION WHY WE HAVE ALUMINUM CUPS, WHY WE STARTED THAT WAY. DO YOU KNOW THAT STORY? YEAH,
THANK YOU. >> I CAN SPEAK TO THAT STORY, BUT I CAN ALSO ADD ONE MORE LEVEL ON HERE, IS THAT WE, AS PART OF THE ARRANGEMENT, THE CITY OF CARMEL GIVES OUT EVERY NEW D.O.R.A. PARTICIPANT , A BOX OF CUPS, 600 CUPS. WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO HOLD ON GIVING ANY OF THOSE OUT, BECAUSE WE FELT THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE A DISRUPTION IN THE MARKETPLACE WHERE WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT HAS BEEN DOING D.O.R.A., AND IT'S GOING GREAT, AND THEN SUDDENLY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CUPS AND THERE'S NO CUPS AVAILABLE TO THEM, AND THEN THEY SUDDENLY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY, BUT WE WOULD HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE FINE FOR A WEEKEND. IF YOU HAVE STARTED WITH D.O.R.A., BEEN USING IT, BEEN GETTING THE CUPS AND WE'VE BEEN HAVING TO SUPPLEMENT OUT OF OUR STORES TO GIVE TO NEW D.O.R.A. PERMITTEES, THOSE CUPS WE'VE HAD TO DELAY UNTIL WE GET SOME IN STOCK. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO IN FULL FORCE ON D.O.R.A. BECAUSE OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.
>> SO, I MADE A POINT TO YOU FOR THE DETAILS, THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE CARMEL STREET APARTMENT FOR ALUMINUM CUPS. DO YOU HAVE ANY BACKGROUND THAT MIGHT HELP THE COMMITTEE WITH HOW IT'S GONE SO FAR, IS THE ALUMINUM CUP EASIER TO DEAL WITH? IN THE TRASH AND ON THE ROADS, ET CETERA? BEFORE WE GET INTO SOME
OF THE QUESTIONS? >> I HAVEN'T BEEN PROVIDED MANY DETAILS AS FAR AS ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP WITH THE CUP. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY BE OPPOSED TO THE PLASTIC CUPS , THAT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION AT THE START, TO POSSIBLY MITIGATE THAT LITTER ISSUE.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE ALUMINUM WAS RECYCLABLE, AND THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO RECOVER SOME OF
>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU GIVE US SOME OF THE DETAILS? I THINK WHAT SERGEI SAID, LONG LEAD TIMES. I KNOW IT'S BEEN HARD TO GET GOING, BUT, IS, WHAT ARE WE DEALING WITH? WHAT ARE WE
TALKING ABOUT? >> WELL, WE WERE ORIGINALLY WAITING FOR A JULY 4TH DELIVERY FROM ONE PROVIDER AND JULY F11 DELIVERY FROM ANOTHER PROVIDER, AND THE ONE, I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM THEM LAST WEEK SAYING, WE WERE GOING TO NEED ANOTHER EIGHT WEEKS, THIS IS THREE WEEKS LATER. SO IT'S GOING TO BE STILL ANOTHER EIGHT WEEKS LATER. WHENEVER I SAY YES, BUT THESE AS AN ITEM THAT ARE IN STOCK AT YOUR COMPANY, IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER EIGHT WEEKS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. THIS IS WHAT WAS HAPPENING FOR US WHEN WE WERE ORIGINALLY TRYING TO GET D.O.R.A. STARTED, THAT THE ALUMINUM CUPS WERE DIFFICULT TO GET HOLD OF. THERE'S ALSO NOW A TARIFF ON ALUMINUM, WHICH IS ALSO CAUSING SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, IT'S JUST A DIFFICULT ITEM ESPECIALLY TO GET STARTED. THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT, IT IS DEFINITELY A COST ISSUE AS WELL, IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY FOR SMALLER COMPANIES THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE AS A TEMPORARY DOORMAT COMMITTEE FOR A FESTIVAL, IT'S A LOT FOR THEM
TO TAKE ON UP-FRONT. >> ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? YEAH, JEFF.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I'M A FAN OF D.O.R.A., I'M A FAN OF THE CUPS IN GENERAL, THE FIRST WEEK AS A BUSINESS OWNER WE DID 900 D.O.R.A. CUPS. I LOVE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE UNIQUE, THEN ANY
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OTHER CITY PROBABLY, THEY ARE ALUMINUM. YEAH, THEY'RE COSTLY.SUPPLY CHAIN , WE HAVE TO GIVE LEAD TIMES. YOU CAN'T ORDER TODAY WITH A NEW VENDOR, AND EXPECT SOMETHING TO BE DONE IN A WEEK. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO TAKE FOUR, FIVE, SIX WEEKS FOR A NEW VENDOR TO SET UP. ONCE YOU'RE SET UP, IT'S PRETTY EASY. I ORDERED THE D.O.R.A. CUPS, WITH AFTER THE INITIAL. CISCO HAS THEM IN PLACE, THEY CAME IN 24TH, I THINK, 23 CASES ON MY FRIDAY DELIVERY. WHEN CISCO REORDERS, IT'LL NEVER BE A SUPPLY CHAIN, WHEN THEY GET DOWN TO VOLUME, THEY LOOK AT WEEKLY USAGE, 20, 30 CASES, THEY'LL REORDER. THERE IS NO LAPSE, THAT WOULD BE ALUMINUM, PLASTIC, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS. NOW WE WANT MULTIPLE VENDORS, WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE A NEW VENDOR THAT MUCH TIME TO GET THE LEAD TIME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A , YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SIGNED UP WITH CISCO TO GO ORDER, YOU CAN GO TO WILL CALL TOMORROW AND ORDER D.O.R.A. CUPS.
>> THEY'RE AT CISCO, INDIANAPOLIS, AND YOU CAN GET THEM THROUGH WILL CALL. THEY'RE COSTLY, I THINK THAT'S A FACT IN HERE, TOO. THE SUPPLY CHAIN, IF WE SWITCH VENDORS. IF THERE IS ANOTHER VENDOR THAT WAS BRAND-NEW, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM FOUR, FIVE, SIX WEEK LEAD TIME AND FROM THAT POINT ON, THEY REORDER FOR YOU. I DON'T THINK THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE SHOULD BE TOPIC, I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE OF ARE WE OKAY WITH A LIGHTER COST, IF TARIFFS ARE GOING TO BE AN ISSUE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, TOO. AGAIN, I LOVE THE FACT THEY ARE DIFFERENTIAL FROM ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S OUT THERE. FROM A POLICE OFFICER STANDPOINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY, WHO IS WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH A PLASTIC CUP, HOW DO YOU KNOW? THIS IS WHY THE ALUMINUM IS PROBABLY PART OF, THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY IT. I SAW YOUR CUP, IT'S NOT MINE. BUT, THEY SAW A D.O.R.A.
CUP, IT'S PRETTY SELF EXPLANATORY.
>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? RANDY?
>> TO ASK YOU, OR KELLY, WHICH, IF THE CUPS ARE AVAILABLE, AND INVENTORY AT THE VENDOR, WHY IS THERE A DELAY IN GETTING THEM TO
REPLENISH, FOR NEW PERMITTEES? >> I THINK THAT'S PRETTY NEW, THAT THEY WOULD JUST DELIVER IT ON FRIDAY, I'M ASSUMING. SO, IT'S TUESDAY. WE HAVEN'T MADE A CALL TO JEFF TO ASK HIM ABOUT CUPS YET. BUT, WE DO HAVE AN EMAIL FROM GFS, SAYING, DO YOU WANT TO PLACE AN ORDER? IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER EIGHT WEEKS, THIS IS AN ORDER THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN PLACED .
WE STARTED TRYING TO ORDER WITH BOTH CISCO AND GFS, RIGHT AFTER OUR ORIGINAL MEETING, THE COMMITTEE MEETING FOR D.O.R.A., WHICH, I WANT TO SAY WAS IN MARCH. I THINK MARCH 19TH IS WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME, I COULD BE WRONG, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK MY EMAIL BUT I TRIED PLACING WITH BOTH OF THEM AND IT TOOK UNTIL, I DON'T KNOW, MAY FOR US TO FINALLY GET CUPS. AND CISCO, THIS IS THE FIRST ORDER THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER BEYOND THE ORIGINAL TO JEFF, TO US, YOU HAD ANOTHER ORDER, RIGHT? SO, THAT DELIVERY ON THE 25TH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT THEY HAVE IN STOCK FROM NOW ON. BUT, WE'VE BEEN WAITING, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE ON THE 11TH. AND WE CALLED AND IT WASN'T THERE ON THE 18TH, AND NOW IT THERE ON THE 25TH, WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO FOLLOW UP ON WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE
THIS MEETING. >> OKAY. BUT THAT'S ONE
PROVIDER. WE HAVE ONE PROVIDER. >> SO, OKAY. SO, I REMEMBER THAT WHOLE THING IN THE BEGINNING WAS SOMEBODY DIDN'T GET BACK TO SOMEBODY, WASN'T THAT WHAT THAT WAS? I DON'T MEAN YOU, I MEAN THEY DIDN'T GET BACK TO YOU, WASN'T THAT WHAT YOU TOLD ME?
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>> IT WAS A CONSTANT ISSUE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THESE CUPS, AND IT WAS A LONG-DELAYED THING, CISCO WAS GREAT, I WAS TRYING NOT TO MENTION VENDORS IN THE MEETING BUT, BUT THEY WERE BETTER TO WORK WITH, AND THEY GOT THE
>> CISCO. >> WE'RE GOING TO TALK APPLES TO APPLES, HERE, AND THE VENDOR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? OKAY.
>> THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER THAT THEY'RE IN STOCK, NOW, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY THEY HAVE IN STOCK?
>> 40 CASES. THEY BROUGHT IN 40 CASES. AS WE GET THE USAGE, THEY DON'T KNOW, UNTIL YOU GET USAGE, IS IT FIVE A WEEK, 10 A WEEK? HOW QUICKLY DO THEY NEED TO REORDER? THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART, IT'S COMMUNICATION OBVIOUSLY IS IF WE SIGN UP THREE NEW VENDORS, OR THREE NEW CLIENTS, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT
THE VOLUME IS GOING TO GO UP. >> SO, I MEAN, SORRY, KELLY.
>> I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT THAT I WANTED TO APPLAUD JEFF, BECAUSE WE TOLD EVERYBODY TO GO IN ORDER THEIR CUPS, AND JEFF DID. SO, JEFF IS IN A GREAT POSITION, HE'S ACTUALLY BAILED OUT A LOT OF , HE'S BAILED US OUT, HE'S BAILED OUT OTHER PEOPLE. THAT'S BEEN GREAT BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT IF HE HAD NOT ORDERED, AND THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING THEM IN A TIMELY MATTER, ORDER, AND THEN THEY'RE GETTING AROUND TO IT AND IT'S TAKING A LONG TIME.
AND THERE WAS FOR WHATEVER REASON A BIGGER DELAY FOR BOTH
DISTRIBUTORS. >> SO, WOULD IT BE TRUE, WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER THIS, IF EVEN THE PLASTIC CUPS HAVE TO BE PRINTED WITH D.O.R.A. ON THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LEAD TIME WITH PLASTIC ALSO, ISN'T THERE?
>> IT'LL TAKE DAYS. YOU HAVE CUPS THAT ARE SITTING THERE, READY. IT'S A MATTER OF PRINTING THEM, IT'S NOT A BIG
DEAL. >> COMMENT? I DON'T WANT TO HOG
THE MIC, HERE. >> THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO SAY, THIS SOUNDS LIKE AN ISOLATED INCIDENT WITH ONE VENDOR, IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY.
>> NO, BOTH VENDORS TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THESE. JUST THE FACT THAT WE WERE WAITING AND WE WERE COUNTING CUPS MULTIPLE TIMES, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'RE TAKING JUST MANAGING CUPS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS COVERED, IT'S AN ISSUE. WE WERE WAITING, LIKE, I HOPE IT COMES TO THE 11TH, DO WE GET IT? CALL JEFF, WE JUST NEED TO FIND OUT. BUT, WE HAD ENOUGH AND WE THOUGHT WITH THE WEATHER, HAS REALLY WORKED TO OUR FEEDER, PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN OUT AS MUCH AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A BIG FESTIVAL. SO, IF WE'D HAD ANOTHER JULY 4TH OR SOMETHING ELSE, WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE IN THE SAME OR WEATHER LIKE WE HAD FOR MEMORIAL DAY AND PEOPLE WERE EXCITED TO BE OUTSIDE, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THE SAME POSITION. WE WOULD'VE
GONE THROUGH THE CUPS. >> AND IN TERMS OF THE PLASTIC, YOU SAY THEY'RE SITTING THERE READY TO BE PRINTED, WE KNOW
THAT FOR A FACT. >> A LOT OF DIFFERENT, GOING BACK, IT'S A REAL POINT, OTHER PLACES USE THE PLASTIC CUPS, THAT'S A VERY TRADITIONAL CUP TO HAVE AROUND. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS NOT AS TRADITIONAL, IT LOOKS COOLER, BUT IT JUST TAKES A LONGER TIME TO GET. IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW QUICKLY WE GO THROUGH THE 40 CASES.
>> WHO WOULD THAT GET SENT TO FOR PRINTING, THEN? IS THERE A
LEAD TIME FOR THE PRINTER? >> NO, WE HAVE IT SET UP, GFS AND CISCO ARE SET WITH THE FILES, THEY CAN IF THEY HAVE THE CUPS, THEY CAN PRINT THEM AND SEND THEM OUT. NO LEAD TIME THAT
WAY. >> I HAVE A TWO PART, ONE FOR JEFF, HAS THERE BEEN AN INCREASE, ARE YOU AWARE OF AN INCREASE WITH THE 40 NEW CASES? I CAN'T INCREASE IN THE
ALUMINUM CUPS PRICE. >> THE PRICE WENT DOWN I THINK THE INITIAL, WHAT DID YOU HAVE, IS 30 CASES? THE MORE YOU BUY, IT WENT DOWN, I CAN RUN FOR $.39. 33 OR 34, NOW. THE MORE WE BUY, IF WE GOT A LOT MORE VENDOR, PEOPLE PARTICIPATING, 50, 60, 70, 80 CASES, IT GETS CHEAPER AND CHEAPER.
>> I CANVASSED A FEW PLACES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, ABOUT HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THINGS, THEY HAVEN'T USED THEIR INITIAL ALLOCATION, AND IT WAS GOING WELL, THEY LIKED IT BUT THEY WERE CONCERNED
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ABOUT REPLACEMENT AND COST INCREASE.>> DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT? I THINK WE HAVE TO , MY INSTINCT IS, IF WE APPROVE PLASTIC, WHY WOULD YOU EVER BUY ALUMINUM? SO, WE'RE MAKING , WE'RE MAKING A MAJOR DECISION, HERE, SO, I'M GOING TO ASK, GOING TO TRY TO DRILL DOWN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I CAST MY VOTE THE RIGHT WAY, BUT IS IT AT ALL FAIR TO SAY THAT WE'VE HAD GROWING PAINS AND NOW THEY'VE GOT STUFF READY TO GO? OR IS IT, YOU STILL EXPECT THIS WILL BE A
PROBLEM GOING FORWARD? >> I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE THAT IT'S GROWING PAINS, THERE'S HICCUPS WHEN YOU START A PROCESS, JUST WITHIN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THINGS WORK, THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE BEING FIGURED OUT. I THINK I WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE IF WE WERE GOING BACK WITH ALUMINUM CUPS, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THERE'S THE TARIFF ISSUE, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY I HAVE GFS SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THESE FOR ANOTHER EIGHT WEEKS. THAT'S THE THINGS THAT MAKE ME UNEASY THAT I'M LIKE, OKAY, IF THAT DOES BECOME AN ISSUE, OR SUDDENLY WE'RE NOT PAYING $.33 A CUP, WE'RE PAYING A DOLLAR A CUP, THAT'S AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE BUSINESS, SEND I THINK EVEN I HAD PRICED OUT FOR ONE OF OUR VENDORS THAT IT WAS $.83 THAT SHE WOULD HAVE TO PAY, BECAUSE SHE ONLY WANTED A FEW CUPS. LIKE, A CASE. AND I CAN'T CONTROL THE FACT THAT AN ORGANIZATION ONLY IS GOING TO USE, IS NOT PLANNING ON USING A LOT OF DOOR CUPS BUT THEY WANT TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE AND THEY'RE HAVING $.83, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ADDING TO THAT TIGHT MARGIN. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE RESTAURANT WORLD. THAT'S WHY WE
>> TWO PARTS, DISTRIBUTION , TO ME, SHOULD FALL ON IF IF I'M THE BUSINESS OWNER AND I SIGN UP FOR D.O.R.A., IT SHOULD FALL ON ME. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF I'M BRINGING IT UP, YOU KNOW, OR A BEER CUP, IT'S ON, IF I WANT TO DISSIPATE AND I AGREED TO DO IT, THEN IT SHOULD BE ON ME TO HAVE THE PRODUCT SECURED, WHETHER YOU GUYS ARE HELPING, GUIDE ME THAT YOU CAN GET HERE, HERE, OR HERE, IS THEN UP TO ME TO GO TO WILL CALL AND DRIVE MY CAR AND GO DO IT? OR DO I WANT TO USE CISCO BECAUSE I'M USING CISCO AS A VENDOR, OR, GFS, THEY HAVE STORES ALL OVER. AND THEY'RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, YOU CAN START THEM AT THESE PLACES, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO GET THE LEAD TIME, GET IT IN STOCK, AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS WITH GFS, BUT NOW WE HAVE ONE VENDOR, AND I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE TWO, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU GO WITH ONE VENDOR, YOU GET MORE VOLUME, AND WILL GET A CHEAPER CUP. BUT, I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE THE DISTRIBUTION. I DON'T THINK KELLY AND HER TEAM SHOULD HOLD THE CUPS, AND THEN WE CALL AND TEXT KELLY CAN I COME GET A CASE? IT'S UP TO ME, AND THAT'S WHY I TOOK THE INITIATIVE , I'M PUSHING CISCO, I'VE GOT CONNECTIONS, I'M PUSHING CISCO TO GET IT IN, GET IT IN. THEY WANT TO KNOW, MORE, THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY CASES DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO USE? AND THEY WENT AROUND, THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, AND THEY ASKED WOULD YOU BUY FROM US? THAT'S WHY THEY BROUGHT IN, I COMMITTED TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT, AND I THINK THEY WERE GOING TO DO 30 CASES AND ONCE THEY TALKED TO OTHER RESTAURANTS, THEY SAID, OKAY, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AND THEY ORDERED 40 OR 50 CASES. BUT, IF WE GO THE DIRECTION OF PLASTIC, AND I THINK WE WENT THROUGH THIS BEFORE, PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS FROM A COST STANDPOINT, CHEAPER, FROM A COST STANDPOINT, WE COULD ALSO GET VENDORS TO PAY FOR THESE. I CAN GET JIM BEING TOMORROW TO GIVE ME A PLASTIC CUP, WITH DOOR ON ONE SIDE AND JIM BEAM ON THE OTHER, AND THEY
WOULD BE FREE. >> THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA, THAT'S ITEM FIVE, WE WILL HAVE TO DECIDE IF , BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE WITH AN ALUMINUM CUP?
>> KNOW. I THINK PROBABLY GO THAT ROUTE.
>> NUMBER FIVE ON THE AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. SO, SO, I HEARD
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ANOTHER ISSUE IS, GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF VENDOR AND THE EVENT WHERE THEY ONLY WANT, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO END UP WITH AN $.83 CUP, VERSUS A $.33 CUP. I THINK YOU SAID THEY ONLY WANT A BOX, A CASE? IT'S GOING TO BE $.83?>> YEAH, I THINK IT WAS ONE OF OUR RESTAURANTS. THEY DO A LOT OF WINE, SO, THEY JUST FELT THAT THEIR CLIENTELE WAS PRETTY MUCH GOING TO STAY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THEIR FOOTPRINT, AND THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLING THINGS BY THE BOTTLE. THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF CUPS, BUT THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING A BOTTLE OF WINE AND THEY WANT TO , IT'S STILL SITTING THERE, I'M GOING TO FINISH IT OR WALK AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND THEN THEY WOULD POUR IT INTO A CUP AND HAVE THAT BE AVAILABLE. SO, THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH 900 CUPS IN A WEEKEND. THAT WOULD BE 600, MAYBE IN TWO MONTHS IS WHAT THEY GAVE ME. IT'S JUST, IT'S THAT, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE BENDERS, THAT ARE , FOR OUR DIFFERENT EVENTS, WHERE WE HAVE ALCOHOL AVAILABLE, FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE THE BRUISE ON THE BOULEVARD HAPPENING WHICH WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE A D.O.R.A. CUP . WE ALSO ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS LATER BUT, IT'S ON THE AGENDA, BUT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING IF THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO SELL, NOT JUST A SAMPLE BUT IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE A CUP OF THEIR BEER AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN A D.O.R.A. CUP. THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUY THAT, PROBABLY, AT THE $.83. 600 CUPS IS PROBABLY MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO
THROUGH IN EIGHT HOURS. >> AND 83, IS THAT A FACT OR, I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH HYPOTHETICALS,
>> THAT IS A PRICE, I WILL SEE THE PRICE CONSISTENTLY CHANGES, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A HARD COST, THAT IS AN ITEM THAT DOES CHANGE AND PRICE MORE FREQUENTLY THAN, SAY, PLASTIC. IT'S NOT A STABLE
PRICE POINT. >> YOUR FIRST SCENARIO, DID YOU
HAVE SOMETHING? >> I HAD ONE CLARIFICATION, BUT ALSO MIGHT BE A FACTOR IN CONSIDERATION AS WELL. WE DID RECEIVE A CLARIFICATION FINALLY ON THE QUESTION PROPOSED A WHILE AGO, I THINK THEY DID CHANGE THEIR VIEW ON THAT, IT WAS NEW FOR EVERYBODY AT THE TIME, THE QUESTION WAS, IF ANYONE SERVES ALCOHOL WITHIN D.O.R.A., WHETHER IT'S A DESIGNATED PERMITTEE WHICH IS AN EASY ANSWER, OR A VENDOR, THEY HAVE TO SELL IT IN NOT PLASTIC, IN THE D.O.R.A. CUP. THEY CAN ONLY USE THE FESTIVAL LICENSE, BACK IN THE DAY, AND PUT A PERIMETER , IF IT IS WITHIN D.O.R.A., THEY HAVE TO SELL IT IN A D.O.R.A. CUP. IT DOES CREATE SOME COMPLICATIONS WITH BIGGER CITY EVENTS, WITH MULTIPLE VENDORS THAT ARE COMING IN THAT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY VENDORS. IT'S A SMALL FACTOR ADMITTEDLY, BUT, IT IS A CLARIFICATION, IT BECAME A FACTOR.
>> SO, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT YET, BEFORE? I SEE, WE HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUE, HERE.
BECAUSE WE HAVE A BRICK AND MORTAR VENDOR WHO IS FOLLOWING THE RULES, DOING WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO, AND BECAUSE OF THEIR VOLUME, THEY HAVE, THEY'RE CHOOSING TO SCORE HOWEVER MANY CASES OR WORK IT OUT WITH THEIR VENDOR. BECAUSE THERE'S A VENDOR WHO SAYS, WELL, WE REALLY ARE NOT GEARED FOR D.O.R.A., OUR CUSTOMER BUYS THE BOTTLE, ET CETERA, I DON'TKNOW THAT THAT IS , SPEAKING FOR ME, IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY ON THE D.O.R.A.
COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A COMPETITIVE PRICE CUP.
I'VE IF WE FIRMLY BELIEVE IN ALUMINUM, TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGY FOR THEM. THAT'S A BUSINESS DECISION. IF THEY WANT IN D.O.R.A., HERE'S HOW YOU PARTICIPATE IN D.O.R.A., BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN D.O.R.A.. THE SECOND, THAT'S MY COMMENT, THERE, THE SECOND SCENARIO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MESSING UP KILLING THE GOOSE THAT LAID THE GOLDEN EGG, BECAUSE FESTIVALS ARE SIGNATURE. I WANT TO SPEND TIME
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TALKING ABOUT FESTIVALS. IF I WANT TO COME IN AND OFFER MY BEER OUT OF THE TRAILER, CAN I JUST SAY UPLAND, OR, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THEN THE PROBLEM, THERE, IS WHAT?TELL ME ABOUT THAT. >> THEY HAVE TO OBTAIN CUPS IN A TIMELY FASHION. WHICH, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THAT THERE'S 40 CASES SITTING AT CISCO. WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY 15 PEOPLE, 15 ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE NOW D.O.R.A. REGISTERED. SO, IF THEY ALL WENT AND BOUGHT TWO CASES, RIGHT NOW, THAT'S 10 THAT ARE LEFT OVER THERE AT CISCO, SO HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY CAN GET THOSE, BUT AT THE RATE THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THEM, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY LAST MAYBE A MONTH. FOR THOSE. BASED OFF OF WHAT JEFF HAS BEEN TELLING ME. IN TERMS OF WHAT HE'S BEEN GOING THROUGH.
THAT'S GOING TO VARY FROM DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS. BUT THAT'S ONE MONTH, AND THEN WE HAVE A LEAD TIME RIGHT NOW THAT WE KNOW WITH GFS THAT THEIR NEXT ORDER, IF I CALL THEM AFTER THIS MEETING AND SAY, GO, IT'S GOING TO BE TWO MONTHS UNTIL WE GET THAT NEXT ORDER. I DON'T KNOW IF CISCO IS READY TO PLACE ANOTHER ORDER, AND HOW LONG, IT'S BEEN EIGHT WEEKS SINCE THAT ORDER WAS PLACED. THAT WE GOT LAST FRIDAY. SO, I'M WORRIED THAT, AS WE'RE GETTING THROUGH THIS, EVEN IF WE DID PLASTIC CUPS UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT WOULD GET US AT LEAST THROUGH IT, OR WE JUST KEEP PEACE KNEELING. FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE BRUISE ON THE BOULEVARD HAPPENING AND WE KNOW, AUGUST
23RD. >> AND WHEN SHOULD HAVE THOSE
VENDORS ORDERED THEIR CUPS? >> THERE IS NO TIME. THERE IS NOT TIME, WHAT WE WERE HOPING IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE DELIVERY ON THE FOURTH, AND WE HAVE THE DELIVERY ON THE 11TH, AND THEY COULD HAVE PURCHASED THEM IN STOCK.
>> FROM YOU? >> GFS, SENT THEM OFF, DO NOT HAVE TO BE PART OF THIS. HOWEVER, WE HAVE DECIDED THAT INSTEAD, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE EIGHT BOXES ON LOAN, TO OTHER BUSINESSES, THAT HAVE STARTED THE D.O.R.A., AND HAVE PLACED THEIR ORDER. WE WILL GET THOSE EIGHT BOXES BACK, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEPARATE THEM AND EACH ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS BRUISE ON THE BOULEVARD, HALF THE CASE, WE THINK THE 300 CUPS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY'LL GO THROUGH. THAT'S HOW WE'RE COVERING IT.
>> YOU WERE SAYING THAT, THE LEAD TIME ON GFS, YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW, IS EIGHT WEEKS? ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS IT FOR CISCO, DO YOU
KNOW? >> I THINK IT WAS EIGHT WEEKS, IT'S IN, THE REORDER WILL NOT BE, THE EIGHT WEEKS IS GOING BACK AND FORTH, APPROVING THE LOGO, THE NEGOTIATING, WITH, THEY'LL COME BACK WITH A QUOTE OF 30 CASES THIS MUCH, 40 CASES THIS MUCH, 50 CASES, WE'LL TAKE 50 CASES. IT'S CHEAPER. SO, I WOULD SAY TO REORDER IS PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR WEEKS. TO REORDER.
IF WE CALLED CISCO TODAY AND SAID, HOW MANY CASES YOU HAVE IN STOCK AND THEY SAY 40, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH 30 MORE, YOU NEED TO REORDER 40 OR 50 MORE CASES, IT WOULD PROBABLY
TAKE THREE OR FOUR WEEKS. >> I SHOULD HAVE INVITED THE CISCO REP, I REALIZED. SO HE OR SHE COULD SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION BASED ON JUST OUR ABILITY TO FIGURE THIS ALL OUT. SO, HOW STRONGLY DO YOU BELIEVE, AS STAFF REPRESENTING THE CITY OF CARMEL, WHAT IS, ARE YOU SAYING WE HAVE TO HAVE PLASTIC CUPS OR WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE A TRAIN WRECK? >> I SAY THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR A TRAIN WRECK IS THERE. IT JUST IS. WE HAVE A NONDEDUCTIBLE SUPPLY CHAIN. SO, I THINK THAT WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AS A COMMUNITY IN SUPPORTING EACH OTHER, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS, HAS WHAT THEY NEED. EXCEPT THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN ABLE TO START WITH SOME PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAD TO HOLD BACK WHAT WE HAVE. I JUST, IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT WE FINALLY HAVE THEM AT CISCO, THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER.
>> IS THAT NEWS TO YOU? >> IT JUST HAPPENED FRIDAY, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T CALL THIS WEEK WAS, WE HAVE BEEN CALLING EVERY WEEK, AND EACH WEEK THEY HAVEN'T HAD IT. KNOW,
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IT'LL BE ANOTHER WEEK, IT'LL BE ANOTHER WEEK, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THESE. IT IS, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MANAGE ON OUR TEAM, BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, WHO HAS WHAT WHEN , AND CAN WE GET THESE BACK FROM THIS PERSON ON THIS DATE, AND THEN WE CAN GET THESE TO THIS PERSON, WE CAN CONTINUE TO MANAGE THAT AS LONG AS EVERYBODY IS PATIENT WITH US, AND I WILL SAY, I'D BE WILLING TO LET IT GO KNOWING THAT WE HAVE CISCO, HAS CUPS IN PLACE, BUT, IF THEY THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER EIGHT WEEKS, IF WE CALL THEM TODAY AND SAY IT'LL BE ANOTHER EIGHT WITH WEEKS BEFORE WE CAN GET THINGS ORDERED, I WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE STAYING WITH ALUMINUM CUPS.>> ANYBODY HAVE COMMENTS BEFORE I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION?
>> I THINK, THIS IS THAT COMMUNICATION , POTENTIAL THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW. IS, IF THEY KNEW THAT, LIKE, YEAH. THIS IS BUSINESS FOR THEM, THEY'RE MAKING MONEY ON THIS CUP THAT $.37, I'M SURE THEY'RE GETTING A PROFIT ON THIS. AND KELLY AND I CAN TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS, AND AT LEAST GET AN ETA, ON REORDERING. BASED ON THAT KIND OF INFORMATION, AND I THINK IT MAKES THE DECISION A LITTLE EASIER. AND AGAIN, PLASTIC, I THINK, I KNOW IT'S ANOTHER TOPIC AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY TIES INTO SOME OF THE ANSWERS THAT WE NEED.
>> ARE YOU, IS THERE ANY WAY , HAVE YOU, WERE YOU HAVING TROUBLE GETTING A HOLD OF THE CISCO REP? IS THAT NOW OKAY? I'M GETTING READY TO ASK JEFF IF HE WOULD PUT TOGETHER A MEETING FOR THE PARTIES THAT BE TO SAY, I WANT TO HEAR IT FROM YOU, MR. CISCO. WHAT'S THE DEAL, HERE?
>> WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH CISCO. IT WAS THE TIMELINE TOOK LONGER THAN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO. BUT, THEY WERE RESPONSIVE.
>> I DIDN'T MEAN THAT, ARE YOU COMMUNICATING DIRECTLY WITH
CISCO JUST LIKE JEFF IS? >> WE ARE ACTING LIKE ANOTHER
RESTAURANT. >> I GET IT, OKAY, THAT WAS A BAD QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. I NEED INPUT FROM THE COMMITTEE, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, RIGHT NOW, THE QUESTION IS, DO WE STICK WITH D.O.R.A., EXCUSE ME, DO WE STICK WITH ALUMINUM, OR DO WE OFFER A PLASTIC? AND I THINK IF SOMEONE WERE TO MAKE A MOTION WE WOULD HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION BASED ON THE WILL OF THE COMMITTEE.
BECAUSE ANYONE CAN MAKE A MOTION. BUT I CAN'T.
>> YOU NEED A MICROPHONE. >> I'M A FAN OF THE ALUMINUM.
THAT I THINK IS SECURING THE VENDOR, WITH A BACKUP VENDOR IS
CRUCIAL. >> OKAY, TELL ME WHAT THAT
MEANS. >> WE KNOW WE HAVE CISCO, AS A MAIN VENDOR. AND I THINK WE GIVE ANOTHER VENDOR, WHETHER IT'S GFS OR ACORN, OR SUPPLY CHAIN, TO BRING IT IN, SO ANYBODY THAT SIGNS UP HAS THE ABILITY, SOMEBODY SIGNS UP WITH D.O.R.A., KELLY AND HER TEAM WOULD SAY, HERE'S THE GUIDELINES, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU PURCHASE THEM. IT'S ON THAT PERSON TO TAKE THE LEAD. THIS IS WHERE YOU GET IT. AND THERE WILL BE NO 83 SENT CUP, IT'LL BE 37 JUST LIKE I PAY. THEY HAVE TO GO, EITHER THEY SIGN UP AS A VENDOR OR THEY HAVE TO PICK IT UP.
>> YUP, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TAKING MINUTES, SO I GUESS THAT'S ME. ALL RIGHT. IS
THERE A SECOND TO THAT? >> SECOND.
>> OKAY. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK, GO AHEAD.
>> I JUST WANT TO ASK JEFF, THE LONG LEAD ON THE ORIGINAL ORDER, WHICH SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM, FOR CISCO AND GFS, NOW THAT THEY'RE IN PLACE, YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE AT LONG LEAD AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD EVER RUN OUT AGAIN, WE LEAVE THIS MEETING I THINK, THE COMMUNICATION WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH THE CISCO REP, OF GROWTH. THAT ARE GOING TO JUMP ON, THE MORE DATA THEY HAVE, THE MORE HISTORY WOULD GO LIVE ON THE 25TH, I ORDERED THREE CASES MYSELF, THE TWO OR THREE CASES, THAT, THAT'S SIX
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CASES IN TWO DAYS. >> I THINK IT'S ALSO CRITICAL THAT THE PERMITTEES, ONCE THEY COME ON BOARD, THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY AND THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT, THAT IT'S UP TO THEM TO BE PROACTIVE, AND TO UNDERSTAND, LOOK, HERE'S A RULE, YOU DON'T CALL THE CITY OF CARMEL, THEY CREATED THIS DISTRICT, WHICH IS WONDERFUL. BUT IT BENEFITS THE BUSINESS, SO THE BUSINESS HAS TO TAKE OWNERSHIP. MAYBE THAT'S PART OF
THE GROWING PAINS. >> I THINK YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL EVENTS FOR SURE THAT I WAS LOOKING AT DOWNSTAIRS IN THE MAILROOM. WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THEY PROBABLY ALREADY DO, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT MAC AND JEFF, AND ANYBODY ON THIS COMMITTEE THAT WAS TO PURCHASE A PAID, ATTENDED MEETING WITH THE CISCO REP FIRST, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO, THEN WE TAKE THAT KNOWLEDGE AND WE USE IT WITH A SECONDARY COMPANY. AND THEN, WE SHOULD PROBABLY REVIEW OUR FAQS THAT WE HAND OUT TO VENDORS, AND THE DESIGNATED PERMITTEES, AND MAKE SURE IT SAYS YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN, YOU KNOW? NICELY. AND KELLY, YOU GOT TO SPEAK UP, NOW, IF ANYTHING I'M SAYING MAKES YOU, GIVES YOU HEARTBURN. BECAUSE, I THINK WE HAVE TO PUT IT ON THESE COMPANIES THAT WE'RE HERE TO HELP, I GET THAT, AND WE WANT TO HELP, WE ALSO SAY, YOU KNOW THAT BEARS ON THE BOULEVARD IS GOING TO HAPPEN AUGUST 23RD, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE, PROBABLY AT LEAST BY JULY, RIGHT, OR JUNE? DON'T THEY HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY, ALSO?
>> I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE DO HAVE BOTH CISCO AND GFS LISTED ON OUR WEBSITE AS PLACES FOR THEM TO ORDER. WE HAVE THE ART APPROVED WITH BOTH LOCATIONS, SO THERE'S NO ISSUES THERE, THEY HAVE TO GO AND DO IT. I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE TALKED TO GFS MULTIPLE TIMES, AND I WAS PROMISED, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETIME EARLY IN JUNE, THAT I HAD THE PERSON THAT COULD MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND HE PUT US IN CONTACT WITH ANOTHER PERSON WHO ACTUALLY PLACES THE ORDER, AND THAT'S WHO CAME BACK TO ME LAST WEEK AND WAS LIKE, WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO? YOU STILL WANT THESE? I'M LIKE, ARE YOU SERIOUS? HOLD ON, WE WILL WAIT, THERE IS A MEETING NEXT WEEK AND WE WILL FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS, AND AT THAT POINT WE DIDN'T HAVE A DELIVERY FROM CISCO HAD BEEN DELAYED, A COUPLE WEEKS, AND WE HAD NOTHING SINCE MARCH, FROM GFS. SO, AN ACORN IS NEW TO ME, BUT I'M NOT IN THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS, I DON'T KNOW DISTRIBUTORS. WE CAN SET UP WITH THEM, ON THIS POLICY THAT WE DO NOT AS A CITY DETERMINE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THIS ORDERED FROM, WE MAKE IT AVAILABLE, AND WE MADE IT AVAILABLE TO TWO PLACES.
THE ONLY TWO PLACES THAT I KNEW OF. THAT'S WHAT WE DID, WE CAN GO AHEAD WITH ACORN AS WELL. I THINK THE MORE DISTRIBUTORS PLACES THAT WE HAVE WOULD BE GREAT.
>> JEFF, WILL YOU FACILITATE THIS MEETING ? INVITE THE WHOLE COMMITTEE, BUT, WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO CAN GIVE US GOOD ANSWERS ON THE FIRST VENDOR, CISCO, AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED. IS ANYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS FAR AS MODIFICATION OF YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION? IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR,
>> ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES, IN ESSENCE WE'RE STICKING WITH, FOR THE TIME BEING, ALUMINUM CUPS, WE'RE HOLDING TO THAT, AND THEN, OTHER THAN BEERS , BRUISE ON THE BOULEVARD, ANY OTHER BIG ONES COMING BEFORE THE END OF THE
YEAR? >> HELLO, COMMITTEE WITH THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT, WE DO HAVE BREWS ON THE BOULEVARD AND OUR NEXT EVENT AFTER THAT IS OKTOBERFEST, WHICH IS OCTOBER
3RD. >> OKAY. WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THOSE VENDORS READY? LET'S SPEND A FEW MINUTES TALKING
ABOUT THAT. >> SO, FOR BREWS ON THE BOULEVARD, AS KELLY ALREADY SHARED WITH YOU, OUR SOLUTION TO THAT IS TO SUPPLY HAVE A CASE TO EACH VENDOR. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 11 VENDORS TOTAL, BETWEEN BEER AND WINE, WHO WILL BE PARTICIPATING. IN BREWS ON THE BOULEVARD, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE THEM. FOR OKTOBERFEST, JUST FROM WHAT JEFF HAS SHARED, IT SEEMS LIKE WE CAN TELL HIM , OR THEM, HOWEVER MANY VENDORS ARE PARTICIPATING IN OKTOBERFEST, AND ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD WE HAVE THE HISTORICAL DATA, IF WE DO 15 VENDORS HERE,
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SIX VENDORS HERE, PER EVENT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE AND GET THAT IN ENOUGH TIME.>> TO THE VENDORS SIGN UP WITH YOU? SO, AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW THEM, NOW, OR WILL IT, IS THERE STILL TIME TO SIGN UP?
>> THERE'S STILL TIME TO SIGN UP FOR BREWS ON THE BOULEVARD, WE ARE TRYING TO SECURE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BEER VENDORS BECAUSE IT'S A BEER FESTIVAL, BUT, OBVIOUSLY, WITH EVERYONE THAT GETS DELAYED, SO, SOME PEOPLE, WE WILL KNOW WELL IN ADVANCE, JEFF WAS THE FIRST TO SIGN UP, WE HAVE SOME KING BUT WE ALSO HAVE THOSE GUESTS THAT COME IN FROM OUTSIDE OF D.O.R.A., OUTSIDE OF CARMEL, EVEN. WHERE WE SEE SOME OF THESE ISSUES WILL BE COMING UP, BECAUSE THEY DON'T ALREADY HAVE THE INVENTORY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT.
>> IF THEY'RE BRINGING KEGS OF BEER, THEY SHOULD BUY CUP TO MATCH THOSE KEGS. WITH THAT BE A REASONABLE THING TO DO?
>> THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE. >> IF THEY'RE GOING TO BRING BEER THEY BETTER BIND OF CUPS TO SERVE THAT AMOUNT OF BEER.
THAT'S HOW I WOULD LOOK AT IT. SO, I DON'T THINK IT'S ON US
TO MANAGE THEIR CUP QUANTITY, >> NOR DO WE WANT TO. HOWEVER, SINCE THIS IS NEW, THINGS CONTINUE TO CHANGE AND DEVELOP FROM HOW IT'S BEING COMMUNICATED TO US, WE'RE NOT ALWAYS SURE EXACTLY WHAT TO COMMUNICATE, AND IN WHAT AMOUNT OF TIME, WHICH IS WHY BREWS ON THE BOULEVARD IS TAKING A
DIFFERENT APPROACH. >> BUT, FOR OKTOBERFEST, I THINK WE CAN BE SUPERSTARS. ON THAT ONE. OR YOU CAN BE SUPERSTARS.
OKAY. YES. >> COMMENT, IF A VENDOR COMES IN TO OKTOBERFEST, AND NEVER GOING TO USE 600 CUPS, THERE'S ALWAYS NEXT YEAR. YOU KEEP IT, THEY DON'T GO BAD, THEY CAN REACH OUT TO A VENDOR LIKE MYSELF, AND I GOT HAVE A CASE LEFT OVER. I THINK ANYBODY WOULD TAKE THEM BECAUSE WE'RE ALL USING THEM.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST COMMUNICATION. BUT SOMEBODY IS LIKE, WHY DO I HAVE TO BUY A WHOLE CASE? JUST PUT IT IN STORAGE, THERE'S 30
PEOPLE USING THEM. >> THE REASON YOU HAVE TO BUY A WHOLE CASE IS THAT'S LIFE. THAT'S THE WAY THAT, THAT'S THE WAY THIS WORKS. SO WE'RE ALL GOOD ON THAT AGENDA ITEM? WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON, THEN, TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, OPTION TO USE D.O.R.A. STICKER ON ALDORA CUPS OR CUPS OF UNUSUAL SIZE, EXAMPLE, WINE TASTING. YES, OKAY. YEAH, ALL RIGHT.
>> I THINK THIS ONE, THE FIRST ONE HAS BEEN DECIDED, SO THAT BECAME MOOT. THE SECOND ONE, WE USE STICKERS ON CUPS WITH UNUSUAL SIZE, SOME EVENTS, I DON'T HAVE A USE FOR 16 OUNCE ALUMINUM CUP. TASTING EVENTS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT, THIS ONE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A TASTING CUP FROM BRUISE, AND BARRELS.
SO, IT'S HARD TO PRINT ON THOSE CUPS, I WOULD IMAGINE. THEY ARE UNIQUE, SOME BIGGER, SOME SMALLER. THE EASY SOLUTION IS TO PUT A D.O.R.A. STICKER ON THEM, TO AUTHORIZE IT ONLY FOR UNUSUAL
SIZES FOR THESE TYPE OF EVENTS. >> OKAY, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, NOW, THIS IS FOR DESIGNEES, AS WELL AS VENDORS. THIS IS FOR
BRICK AND MORTAR, IF I AM , >> THIS IS FOR ANYONE PARTICIPATING IN BREWS ON THE BOULEVARD AS A BEER VENDOR.
>> JUST BREWS ON THE BOULEVARD. >> OR ANY SUCH TASTING EVENT WHERE A SMALLER CUP AND A COUPLE OF UNUSUAL SIZES REQUIRED,
>> WE HAD THAT. I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT, BREWS ON THE BOULEVARD, AND ANY OTHER SUCH EVENT, TASTING CUP IS
UTILIZED AS A VESSEL. >> I'M GOING TO CLARIFY, IF YOU DO TASTING IN YOUR BUSINESS, THIS DOES NOT APPLY, BECAUSE YOU
DON'T CARRY IT OUT. ALL RIGHT. >> WITH THE TASTING MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THIS DUE TO THE REQUIREMENT TO SERVE IN THE D.O.R.A. CUP? NOBODY'S WALKING AROUND .
>> THAT IS, THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION POPPED UP AFTER WE RECEIVED CLARIFICATION FROM ATC, IF YOU ARE SERVING ALCOHOL AND ITS SEPARATION, YOU GOT IT SERVED IN A D.O.R.A. CUP, IT IS UP TO THE'S ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHAT D.O.R.A. CUP IS, AND HAVE THESE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE
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ASKING FOR LEE NANCY ON THOSE PARTICULAR EVENTS FOR THOSE PARTICULAR PURPOSES. DALE DEMONSTRATING.>> YES, JONATHAN. >> SO, WHO IS APPLYING THE STICKER? ARE WE HANDING STICKERS OUT TO VENDORS TO LET THEM APPLY
IT? >> THAT WOULD BE YOU, OKAY, I'M SORRY. OKAY, THAT WAS MY CONCERN, WE WOULD BE HANDING STICKERS OUT, AND THEN A VENDOR RUNS OUT OF CUPS AND NOW I START GRABBING CUPS FROM THE BACK ROOM AND START THROWING THEM, OKAY.
>> THESE ARE FOR EXAMPLES ONLY, IF YOU WANT TO PURCHASE OR DRINK ANYTHING LARGER THAN THIS, YOU HAVE TO BUY A BEVERAGE, AND WITH THE WIND VENDORS OR ANYONE ELSE, THAT IS PURCHASE ONLY. THIS WILL
ONLY HAVE BEER SAMPLES. >> AND STAFF WOULD BE THE ONES ADDING THOSE STICKERS. THAT'S A FUN JOB.
>> FORMER SERVER, HERE, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
>> WILL THEY BE SUPPLYING THE CUPS, OR ARE WE GOING TO GET INTO ANOTHER WHERE WE HAVE TO SUPPLY CUPS? WE'RE JUST APPLYING THE STICKERS, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> PART OF THIS IS WE ALREADY HAVE THESE CUPS. WE ALREADY HAVE OUR SUPPLY, WE JUST NEED TO PUT A D.O.R.A. STICKER ON THEM SO THAT NOW , YOU COULD EVEN MAKE THIS SPECIFIC FOR BREWS ON THE BOULEVARD IF YOU WANTED TO. WE JUST NEED TO USE THESE CUPS, AND WE NEED THE STICKER BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY DON'T FOLLOW
D.O.R.A.. >> AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE
STICKER, SERGEI? >> A DESIGNATION OF CARMEL
CENTRAL D.O.R.A.. >> NO ART, IT CAN JUST BE
D.O.R.A.? >> AS LONG AS IT'S EASY TO ENFORCE, FOR CARMEL PD, THOSE CUPS ARE UNIQUE, WE WOULD KNOW WHAT EVENTS ARE GOING, WE CAN, I'M SURE, CAN NOTIFY CARMEL PD AS WE'RE HAVING AN EVENT THIS WEEKEND, LOOK OUT FOR SMALLER CUPS, THEY ARE D.O.R.A. APPROVED.
>> SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ME. IS THERE A MOTION? YES,
JOHN. >> THE ARTWORK, IS THAT, YOU'RE
GOING TO DO THAT? >> I WOULD PREFER THAT WE USE THE SAME ARTWORK THAT WE USED FOR OUR REGULAR D.O.R.A. CUP.
FAIRLY BIG STICKER, THEN. WE CAN PUT A SMALLER ONE. ALL RIGHT, OKAY, WERE YOU GOING TO MAKE A MOTION? THE USE OF STICKERS ON THE UNUSUAL SIZE CUPS FOR SPECIFIC EVENTS.
>> THERE IS A MOTION ON THE TABLE, IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND, >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT,
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT CARRIES. WE WILL HAVE STICKERS.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO EITHER NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS ALLOWING COBRANDED CUPS FOR CERTAIN EVENTS FOR PROMOTIONAL
OPPORTUNITIES. >> I WOULD LET KELLY SPEAK ON THIS, I KNOW A GENERAL IDEA WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK AND MISLEAD YOU.
>> WE HAVE HAD A REQUEST FROM ONE OF OUR RESTAURANTS THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE AN EVENT, AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE D.O.R.A.
CUPS, AND THEY ALSO WANTED TO HAVE THE EVENT NAME ON THE BACK OF THE CUP, WHICH SOUNDS PERFECTLY REASONABLE, AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE MAY BE OTHER REQUESTS THAT ARE NOT AS REASONABLE, SO, WE FELT THAT THERE SHOULD PROBABLY BE SOME RESTRICTIONS AROUND THAT, AS TO WHAT THE CUP COULD OR COULD NOT HAVE ON IT. IF THEY WANTED TO COBRANDED, AND HONESTLY, THIS WOULD BE A COBRANDED CUP BECAUSE IT WOULD BE WITH OUR EVENT.
>> OKAY. LET'S, WHO WANTS TO KICK IT OFF? SO, COULD YOU, I JUST SEE , THIS IS OPENING UP A WHOLE WORLD BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE ENERGY FOR. BUT, WHAT AM I GOING TO ALLOW ON THIS CUP ? DOES ANYONE FEEL STRONGLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? SOMEBODY GET US STARTED HERE WITH SOME DISCUSSIONS.
>> MY THOUGHT IS THE LOOK OF THE CUP , DO WE NEEDED TO LOOK A CERTAIN WAY? DOES IT GET LOST IF THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF CUPS OUT THERE? I DON'T FEEL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IT'S JUST POSING THE QUESTION OF, FOR POLICE, DO THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE CUP, IF THEY'RE ALL LOOKING DIFFERENT, IS THAT AN ISSUE?
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>> THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT. RANDY?
>> MY QUESTION FOR YOU, JEFF IS, ARE YOU CONCERNED WITH THE LOGO MIGHT SAY? WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE ONCE YOU SAY IF SOMEONE IS HAVING AN EVENT. IS IT RAINED IN ON, IF IT GIVES THE BUSINESS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF D.O.R.A. CUP, RODEO EVENT OR WHATEVER, IF IT GOES WITH THE DIFFERENT THEME, THEN YOU HAVE THAT IN PUBLIC.
>> SO, ALL RIGHT, SINCE YOU DIRECTED THE QUESTION TO ME, I'LL GIVE YOU MY THOUGHTS. WHAT'S IN IT FOR THE COMMUNITY? SEEMS TO ME THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO PROBABLY , DO THEY WANT TO SELL THAT, MAYBE I NEED MORE BUT I'M MAKING AN ASSUMPTION THAT THIS IS FOR THAT ONE BUSINESS , AND WOULD NOT BENEFIT THE
COMMUNITY. >> I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE COMMUNITY , AND IF IT IS THE RESIDENTS OR THE BUSINESSES, I THINK BASICALLY IT PROVIDES SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR OUR BUSINESS OWNERS THAT THEY HAVE A SPECIAL CUP THAT HAS THEIR LOGO ON IT, AND WE COULD DEFINE IT AND BE LIKE WE WANT WHAT YOU HAVE AN EVENT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EVENT IS AND IT WAS MAYBE AN EVENT THAT WE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE THE CITY OF CARMEL BE ASSOCIATED WITH, THAT'S THERE. BUT I THINK WE'RE FINE WITH THE NAMES OF ALL OF THE BUSINESSES IN OUR CITY, SO IF YOU LIMITED IT TO SAY, THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT THAT IS GOING TO BE SELLING THE CUP, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT, I JUST, I GET SQUEAMISH WHEN IT'S A CITY, IT'S NOT AS IF THE ASSET BUT IT'S A CITY POLICY AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH ANYTHING.
>> SO, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD, YOU'RE IMAGINING A CUP THAT SAYS DOOR ON ONE SIDE, AND FOR KENDALE ON THE OTHER.
>> YES. OR, IT COULD BE TED'S 40TH BIRTHDAY ON THE BACK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, THEY WANT TO COBRANDED. FOR AN EVENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ASSOCIATIONS ARE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITIES WANTS TO HAVE SOME SAY-SO ON THAT.
>> I THINK WHERE I WAS GOING BACK TO RANDY'S QUESTION WAS, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH REGULATIONS, AND IS GOING TO BE THE LOCAL POLICE, AND WHAT GETS APPROVED, WHAT DOESN'T GET APPROVED. WHAT IF THE WHOLE SUPPLY CHAIN, IS THAT GOING TO MESS UP CISCO, THEY WON'T SHIP US THE REST, TO ME, I DON'T SEE WHAT THE BENEFIT IS TO THE COMMUNITY IS WHERE I WAS GOING.
FOR US TO TAKE THIS ON, SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LOT OF WORK, FOR NO BENEFIT, THAT I CAN SEE. BUT, THAT , MAYBE ONE VOTE ON THIS
COMMITTEE. >> I LOVE THE BREWS ON THE BOULEVARD, OKTOBERFEST, WE KNOW WELL IN ADVANCE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AS A COMMITTEE, YOU CAN ALMOST , IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING EVERY YEAR. 14 MORE, AND 30, 40 VENDORS, THAT'S A NIGHTMARE. AGAIN, TO THE QUALITY OF THE CUP, I WOULD RATHER IT TO BE FREE, BUT, IT'S A GREAT LOOKING CUP, IT HOLDS PRODUCT BETTER THAN PLASTIC, IT'S OVERALL, IT'S A VERY GOOD PRODUCT, BUT YOU CAN SEE, FROM FAR AWAY, AND IT'S CONSISTENT.
I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A TON OF DIFFERENT CUPS, IT WOULD BE TOO
MUCH WORK. >> THERE IS ONE CLARIFICATION AS WELL, JUST A QUESTION EVERY NOTE, FOR MAYBE SOME FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES HERE AS WELL, ONCE YOU START ALLOWING CERTAIN OTHER IMAGERY ON THE CUP, YOU MAY OPEN THE DOOR TO FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES. WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO, IF YOU DON'T ALLOW IT, THE ISSUE WILL BECOME MOOT, IF YOU CONSIDER ALLOWING IT, YOU'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL IN OPENING THE DOOR, WE LIKE THIS IMAGE BUT NOT THIS ONE. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. IT WOULD BE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, IF YOU DECIDE TO ALLOW IT, TO BE VERY SPECIFIC TO WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT IS NOT, AND IT CAN BE BASED
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ON CONTENT, SO, NAME OF A RESTAURANT PROBABLY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, IT'S SOMETHING SIMPLE. BUT IF YOU TRY TO REGULATE SPEECH IN ANY OTHER WAY, YOU MAY HAVE A CHALLENGE HERE, BECAUSE YOU'RE OPENING THAT DOOR UP, FOR THAT ISSUE TOBE THERE. >> THANK YOU, SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT. IS THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S EARLY IN THE PROCESS TO GET THAT INVOLVED. INTO SOMETHING WHEN WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK OUT
THE DETAILS. >> WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WALK.
I APPRECIATE THAT, THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION?
>> I WOULD MOVE THAT WE NOT ALLOW COBRANDING OF CUPS. AT
THIS TIME. >> ARE WE OKAY TO DO A MOTION IN THE NEGATIVE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, GREAT. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO NOT ALLOW COBRANDING OF CUPS, IS THERE A SECOND THAT MOTION? ALL RIGHT, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING ON, I CALL FOR THE QUESTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT MOTION CARRIES, THERE WILL BE NO, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE CAN COME BACK AND I APOLOGIZE, YEAH. NO. WE DO APPRECIATE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF, THAT CARRIED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO COBRANDING. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES BEFORE US?
>> THERE'S JUST ONE ITEM FOR DISCUSSION, THAT THE DECISION IS BEYOND THIS COMMITTEE'S POWERS, THAT, WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT BRINGING OUTSIDE DRINKS INTO D.O.R.A..
THIS COMMITTEE HAS DISCUSSED AT LENGTH REGARDING CERTAIN EVENTS IN THE CITY, AND HOW THAT WILL BE ENFORCED, ET CETERA. THE SUGGESTION WAS THROWN AROUND, TO WHERE PERHAPS COMMITTEE CAN LOOK INTO EXCLUDING CERTAIN DAYS, FROM D.O.R.A.. AND OBVIOUSLY, D.O.R.A.'S SCHEDULE CAN BE ADJUSTED PER OUR ORDINANCE, AND THAT MIGHT BE A VIABLE SOLUTION FOR SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF CONCERNS. THERE ARE CERTAIN EVENTS THAT IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE, BECAUSE THE NATURE OF THE EVENT ITSELF, ONE THING I CAN THINK OF IS A GALA EVENT, THE OPENING FESTIVAL. IT'S, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S THE VERY FIRST ONE. YOU HAVE TO BUY A SEPARATE TICKET FOR IT. THAT'S IT.
THERE LAST TIME. WHERE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ALCOHOL VENDORS, AND THEY SERVE ALCOHOL IN ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT CONTAINERS, INCLUDING MIDDLE , ICE, YOU NAME IT. IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE, I FEEL LIKE, TO REALLY REQUIRE OR REGULATE ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL FOR THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS. WOULD BE A LOT EASIER JUST TO EXCLUDE THAT DAY AT A PARTICULAR TIME, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FROM A DOOR OPERATION. THAT PARTICULAR AREA. IT'S SOMETHING TO DISCUSS, FOR COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS, WE CAN CREATE A LIST OF THOSE DAYS WHERE THOSE EVENTS, THAT WE WILL THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.
>> DO YOU HAVE THE ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU?
>> I DON'T. AND PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE HOURS MEMORIZED.
>> I DON'T. I KNOW THAT ALL THE EVENTS THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT AT LEAST A PORTION OF THEM WILL BE DOING D.O.R.A. .
>> I'M THINKING WEDNESDAY, GAZEBO CONCERTS. THAT'S PRETTY LIMITED, VERY, JUST RIGHT THERE.
>> YOU KNOW THE SCHEDULE IN ADVANCE. THAT WOULD BE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF AN EXCEPTION IN MY OPINION, SO,
>> IT'S THEIR PLAN IN EFFECT, . WE CAN CERTAINLY CALL ANOTHER MEETING TO EXPLORE THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DEAL
WITH. >> RIGHT NOW WE WOULD BE JUST,
>> AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GAUGE IS YOUR INTEREST AS TO, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO EXPLORE THE LIST OF THOSE EVENTS, THOSE DAYS YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE EXCLUDE D.O.R.A.
FROM OPERATION. >> CAN YOU EXCLUDE AN EVENT? HOW
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SPECIFIC DO WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN ALL OF D.O.R.A., KYLE CAN WE SAYTHE EVENT BEFORE THE MARKET? >> I THINK YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE IT, I THINK YOU CAN EXCLUDE OPERATION OF D.O.R.A. IN CERTAIN AREAS AS WELL. THAT IS NOT CLEAR ON THIS ISSUE. THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY SPECIFIC SCENARIOS, BUT, I'M SURE ATC HAS BEEN RECEIVING ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THOSE SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES FUNCTION, I'M SURE THEY HAVE SOME EVENTS THAT ARE VERY UNIQUE. BUT, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO FIND OUT. I DON'T THINK THAT THE ENTIRE DOOR HAS TO BE INCLUDED FROM OPERATION, JUST A SPECIFIC AREA FOR A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME.
>> SO YOU'D BE WILLING TO RESEARCH THAT FROM A LEGAL
STANDPOINT? >> IF COMMITTEE IS NOT INTERESTED IN THAT IDEA AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE A WASTE OF EVERYBODY'S TIME. THIS WOULD POSE A QUESTION OF, WOULD YOU
LIKE US TO LOOK INTO IT? >> WE HAVE A DUTY TO LOOK INTO IT, EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
WHAT WE CAN DO IS ACTUALLY SET OUR NEXT MEETING, AND THEN THAT GIVES YOU A DEADLINE , EVERYBODY LOOK AT THEIR CALENDARS, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN, DOES THIS FOR CLOCK TIME FRAME WORK FOR EVERYBODY? OKAY. I KNOW AT 4:00 IT'S EASIER TO GET THIS ROOM.
SO, HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU LIKE SURROGATE TO RETAKE THIS BEFORE
WE RECONVENE? >> I THINK WE WOULD DEFINITELY RELY ON EACH OTHER, ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M ON VACATION IN TWO WEEKS, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I'M NOT AVAILABLE. IF WE CAN HAVE IT IN A MONTH, I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY.
>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH A LIST QUICKLY.
>> 29 TO GO TO AUGUST. LET'S SEE, 26. DOES AUGUST 26TH WORK FOR EVERYBODY? OKAY. SO, YOU'LL BE HERE BY 4:10? 4:30, WE CAN GO 4:30, IF THE ROOM IS AVAILABLE. WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE A DIFFERENT DAY? 4:30, HOW ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE? OKAY. AND, I BET WE COULD PROBABLY GET THROUGH THAT FAIRLY EFFICIENTLY.
BECAUSE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET THE LIST AHEAD OF TIMES. WE CAN PREPARE A QUESTION AND, THE KIND OF, THIS MAKES SENSE AND VOTE, CAN WE VOTE ON IT AS A SHEET OF PAPER? DO WE HAVE TO DO EACH
THING SEPARATELY? >> I THINK YOU CAN VOTE AS A SHEET OF PAPER, IT WILL BE RECOMMENDATION TO FULL COUNCIL.
BECAUSE ONLY COUNCIL CAN CHANGE THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE. AND WE WILL TAKE IT FROM THERE. THE AMENDED ORDINANCE AND PRESENT
COUNCIL AT A LATER TIME. >> GOT IT, GREAT. OKAY. 4:30 ON THE 26TH, AND, SERGEI, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO LET JESSICA KNOW? I NOTICED THIS MEETING AND ALL THAT BUSINESS. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE? SEEING NONE, WE
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