Aug 05, 2025 Carmel Plan Commission

[1. Docket No. PZ-2025-00102 PP/SP: Vance Minor Subdivision The applicant seeks minor subdivision plat approval to split one 12.5-acre parcel into 2 residential lots and 1 common area. The site is located at 2911 E Smoky Row and is zoned R-2/Residential within the Keystone Overlay Zone. Filed by Charlie Mattox with Crossroad Engineers on behalf of Tony Vance, owner.]

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TONIGHT. THE FIRST, PRIMARY - - SUBDIVISION. THE APPLICANT SEATS MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAT APPROVAL TO SPLIT ONE 12 AND HAVE A PARCEL INTO TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND ONE COMMON AREA. IT IS AT 2911 EAST SMOKY ROAD ZONED R2 RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE KEYSTONE OVERLAY ZONE FILED BY CHARLIE MADDOX WITH CROSSROADS ENGINEER ON BEHALF OF TONY VANCE. ARE YOU READY?

>> I AM READY. GOOD EVENING, CHARLIE MADDOX WITH CROSSROADS ENGINEERS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER, TONY VANCE. A QUICK REFRESHER, DO I NEED A STATEMENT ADDRESS?

>> I DO NOT THINK IT - - >> A QUICK REFRESHER ABOUT 12 AND HAVE ACRES ZONED R2 JUST EAST OF KEYSTONE PARKWAY SOUTH TO SMOKY ROAD. THE OWNER INTENDS TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY INTO TWO SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND A COMMON AREA ON THE SOUTH SIDE FURTHER DETENTION POND. THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE I MENTIONED THERE WAS STILL OUTSTANDING PROJECT - - I AM HOPING THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. WE DID RESUBMIT IF NOT FULLY ADDRESS AND HOPEFULLY WE ARE CLOSE, THREE OUTSTANDING ITEMS OR CONCERNS ON THE STAFF REPORT. THE FIRST ONE THE PROPOSED RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT.

THE SECOND THE WATER QUALITY PRESERVATION EASEMENT ALONG THE STREAM AND FLOODWAY. WE PROVIDED THAT. THE LAST ITEM WAS THE PATH ALONG SMOKY ROAD. THE OWNER HAS ELECTED TO PAY INTO THE FUND FOR THAT. I DID TALK TO ALEXIA ABOUT IT TODAY. I UNDERSTAND FROM THE LAST MEETING IT IS THE COMMISSION SHE PREFERENCE THE PATH IS BUILT. I TOLD ALEXIA, I WOULD SPEAK TO TONY AGAIN AS HIS ENGINEER, THE BEST I CAN DO FOR YOU TONIGHT. I WILL TALK WITH HIM AGAIN BUT IN ANY CASE, HE INTENDS TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE. THE PATH WILL GET BUILT OR HE WILL PAY FOR IT. I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. THIS PROJECT WAS HEARD AT THE LAST CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION AND AT THAT TIME STAFF HAD THREE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS RELATED TO THE DEDICATION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY, ALONG SMOKY ROW ADDING THE WATER QUALITY PRESERVATION EASEMENT ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN AND ADDING THE REQUIRED 10 FOOT MULTIUSE PATH ALONG SMOKY ROW. THE PETITIONER DID SUBMIT REVISED PLANS AND ADDRESSED THOSE COMMENTS, HOWEVER AS CHARLIE MENTIONED, INSTEAD OF BUILDING THE PATH ALONG SMOKY ROW, THEY ARE OPTING TO MAKE A MONETARY COMMITMENT FOR THE COST TO CONSTRUCT THE PATH TO WE WOULD STILL REQUEST THE COMMISSIONER CONSIDER BUILDING THEIR PATH WITH THEIR PROJECT NOW INSTEAD OF DELAYING THE CONSTRUCTION.

THIS WILL ONLY ADD COST TO THE CONSTRUCTION AS PRICES CONTINUE TO GO UP AND CONTINUE TO ENTER THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO SAFELY WALK AND BIKE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF SMOKY ROW. AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IN JULY THE PLANNED COMMISSION IF THE COMMITTEE THE FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY FOR THE PROJECT. AFTER THE PATH ISSUE IS DISCUSSED, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE PLAN COMMISSION WOULD VOTE TO APPROVE THIS ITEM THIS EVENING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COMMITTEE? ANY COMMENTS?

>> JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ASKING PETITIONER TO BUILD THE PATH. I LIVE IN THAT AREA AND I WALK AND BIKE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD ALL OF THE TIME. I UNDERSTAND, I DROVE PAST IT MANY TIMES, REALIZING YOU HAVE THE BRENTWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD THERE WAS A LOT OF AREA THAT IS UNDEVELOPED. OR THERE IS PROPERTY THAT THE H AWAY'S PROPERTY AS WELL. I WILL NOT PUSH THE SUBJECT I JUST APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION VERY MUCH. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT BUT, I UNDERSTAND.

>> IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A

MOTION? >> I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO

APPROVE. >> IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO VOTE THIS EVENING ON THE VANCE MINOR SUBDIVISION, A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

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>> I PICK >> OPPOSE? THIS PASSES 7-0.

THANK YOU. >> I THINK THAT IS 8-0 BUT, YES.

>> I WAS TRYING TO TAKE CHRISTINE OUT OF IT AND I COULD NOT DO IT FAST ENOUGH. I AM TECHNICALLY NOT ON THE COMMITTEE

THAT'S WHY I DID NOT VOTE. >> I STAND CORRECTED.

[2. Docket No. 2025-00126 CPA: Home Place Subarea Plan – Comprehensive Plan Amendment The applicant seeks to Amend the Carmel Comprehensive Plan to incorporate a new Home Place Sub Area Plan. Filed by the Department of Community Services on behalf of the Carmel Plan Commission.]

>> OUR SECOND ITEM TONIGHT IS DOCKET NUMBER 2025 ¿ 00126 CPA HOME PLACE SUB AREA TO PLAN A MINUTE. THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO AMEND THE CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCORPORATE A NEW HOME LACE SOAP AREA PLAN FILED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES ON BEHALF OF OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION . I WANT TO SAY UP FRONT WE HAVE SCHEDULED AN HOUR FOR THIS MEETING SO IT WOULD BE OVER ABOUT FIVE AFTER 7:00 AND WE WILL GO TO OUR NEXT ITEM.

ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TONIGHT THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED AT THE LAST MEETING. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT BUT WE WELCOME ALL EMAILS. DEPARTMENT?

>> PETITIONER? >> THANK YOU, LET ME GET PLUGGED

IN HERE. >> CAN I JUST ADD ONE THING?

>> YES. >> I WANT TO SAY THE YARD PEOPLE ARE HERE TONIGHT AND HAVE REQUESTED UP TO 15 MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE ADDRESSED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY WERE NOT AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME. I THINK

THAT WILL BE FIRST, RIGHT? >> YES. I WILL GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW WITHOUT TAKING UP A LOT OF TIME HERE. JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK FROM THIS INITIAL DRAFT AS WE GO THROUGH THE REVIEW. THAT WAY THERE IS NO CONFUSION WITH MULTIPLE DRAFTS. IF SOME CHANGES ARE PROPOSED TONIGHT FOR INSTANCE, WE WILL STILL KEEP THIS DRAFT UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT AND MAKE ALL THE CHANGES AT THE SAME TIME. FOR EASE OF CONFUSION AND EASE OF MAKING ANY CHANGES.

AS THE COMMISSIONER MENTIONED, WE HAVE YARD AND COMPANY HERE TONIGHT AND I WANTED TO TURN OVER TO DANIELA TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE.

>> GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO RUN THROUGH THE TIMELINE. WE ARE REVIEWING THE FINAL DELIVERABLE.

JUST FOR CONTEXT, JUST SINCE IT WAS NOT FULLY COVERED IN THE PLAN. WANTED TO TALK YOU THROUGH THE MILESTONES OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. WE KICKED THIS OFF LAST APRIL. OVER THE SPRING AND SUMMER IS WHEN WE DID OUR ANALYSIS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS OF HOME PLACE. THEN, WE HOSTED A COMMUNITY COOKOUT IN JUNE, OUR FIRST MAJOR PUBLIC EVENT. WE SENT OUT INVITES AND THAT WAS OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO MEET UP WITH US. HELP SHARE WHAT IS WORKING WELL AND WHAT IS NOT. THAT LAUNCHED AN ONLINE SURVEY AS WELL. WE SENT OUT MAILERS AND FLYERS FOR PEOPLE TO ENGAGE WITH THIS EARLY PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. WE COLLECTED 300 SURVEYS AT THAT POINT. AND LEARNED SOME KEY THINGS. FROM THE INPUT, WE REALIZED IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET THE WORD OUT AROUND THE PLACE SO WE EXPANDED OUR ENGAGEMENT OUTREACH PROCESS.

THAT ALLOWED US TO HIRE ON SOME COMMUNITIES AMBASSADORS AND THEY WERE A WILL TO START DOING DOOR TO DOOR KNOCKING. THEY HAD ABOUT 300 HOMES AND ABOUT 80 BUSINESSES, LEFT DOOR KNOCKERS SO THE INFORMATION WAS AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE ON WHERE TO GO ONLINE AND WHO TO TALK TO TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PLANNING PROCESS. IN OCTOBER WE LAUNCHED A WEBINAR SERIES. ONE THING WE LEARNED IS THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST IN WANTING TO UNDERSTAND OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN PLAY A MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN HOME PLACE AND WHAT IS CHANGING. THE WEBINAR WAS SORT OF AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY AND A WAY TO CONNECT WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS AROUND WHO IS REALLY WANTING TO GET INVOLVED. THAT KIND OF WATCH, THAT WAS KEY TO THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE PLAN WHERE WE TALK ABOUT 106 AND COLLEGE INCORPORATED. A NEW ORGANIZATION BEING REFERENCED IN THIS PLAN BASED ON THAT PROCESS.

IN NOVEMBER, WE HELD AN OPEN HOUSE AT THE TOWNSHIP OFFICES.

THAT WAS ABOUT MIDWAY THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS. WE HAD

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AND OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU. DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANY MORE? DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE DEPARTMENT?

>> WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAN WHAT ADRIAN HAS.

WE RECOMMEND YOU DISCUSS THIS THIS EVENING AND CONTINUE IT ON FOR THE NEXT COMMUNITY MEETING IF WE DO NOT GET OUR WAY THROUGH

THE DOCUMENT. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS UP TO THE COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO GO OVER SOMETHING FOR ANYBODY THAT COULD BE LISTENING OR SITTING HERE TONIGHT. WHICH IS, WHAT DOES A SUB AREA PLAN NOT DO? I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONCERNS AND, I THINK WHAT WAS IN THE DEPARTMENT REPORT CLARIFIES THIS. A SUB AREA PLAN DOES NOT CHANGE OR UPDATE ZONING REGULATIONS IN THE YOU DL OR ANY EXISTING PUD'S. IT DOES NOT ALTER THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AS WE GO THROUGH IT. AS WE HAVE DONE IN THE CITY FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. WE WILL CONTINUE, EVERYTHING HAS TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS BEFORE ANY CHANGE.

IT WILL NOT MAKE DESIGN OR LAND-USE DECISION FOR INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTAL SITES. THERE IS NOTHING THAT WILL AFFECT YOUR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY IN ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT HERE TONIGHT. IT DOES NOT ALLOCATE FUNDING FOR THE STRUCTURE PROGRAMS OR ORGANIZATIONS. TO BE CLEAR, A SUB AREA IS JUST A GUIDANCE FOR GENERAL AREA. IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, PLEASE EMAIL US. NOW, I WILL OPEN IT UP.

>> MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU WANT TO AS FAR AS THE PROCESS REVIEW JUST START AT THE BEGINNING? AND WORK OUR WAY THROUGH? PERHAPS TAKING THE INTRODUCTION GENERALLY IN THE PLANNING SUMMARY BUT THEN GOING THROUGH LINE BY LINE OR SECTION BY

SECTION? >> I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE WILL DO. - - WE WILL DO. WE CAN START ON PAGE FIVE, I GUESS IT WOULD BE. THE PLANNING SUMMARY. I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS HAD A CHANCE TO READ THAT.

>> NOT TO BE DIFFICULT I'M GOING TO BACK UP TO THE INTRODUCTION.

ADRIAN, DO YOU WANT TO THANK YOU, SHOW IT AT THE TOP AND THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE IT AS WE GO THROUGH? I THE GENERAL QUESTION.

WE REFERENCED THAT THIS IS HOMEPLACE.COM IN THE INTRODUCTION. THEN, THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT WE REFERENCED IT MORE SPECIFICALLY FOR EXAMPLE IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS, WE SAY WE ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR GUIDANCE AS IT IS DONE AND THIS IS HOMEPLACE.COM. I KNOW WE HAVE ALL READ IT, WE HAVE ALL LOOKED AT IT. WE ARE NOT REVIEWING IT AT THE SAME LEVEL WE ARE REVIEWING THE SUB AREA PLAN. MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE WANT TO REFERENCE THIS LARGER COMPANION DOCUMENT? AND, I DO NOT KNOW IF

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WELL? >> I SAY WE FORMATTED THE SUB AREA PLAN. YOU CAN THINK OF IT AS AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE THIS IS HOME PLAN. A LARGER DOCUMENT MEANT TO DESCRIBE WAYS FOR VARIOUS COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BE INVOLVED AS WELL AS THE CITY.

THIS SUB AREA PLAN IS MOSTLY DIRECTED AT WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO THE IMPROVEMENTS AND PROGRAMS WE ARE DISCUSSING LOOKING AT THE NEXT FIVE OR 10 YEARS THAT THE SCOPE OF THE PLANNING IS DESIGNED FOR. THIS IS REALLY AN EXTRACTION OF THE THIS IS HOME PLAN. ANYTHING IN HERE IS ALSO DESCRIBED IN THAT LARGER PLAN. I THINK REVIEWING THIS REALLY CLOSELY IS BENEFICIAL TO DO PRIOR TO REALLY A DEEP DIVE IN THE LARGER

DOCUMENT. THAT IS MY SUGGESTION. >> I WELCOME COMMENTS FROM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THIS. THEN, I THINK IF, SO GENERALLY REFERENCED I THINK THAT IS FINE. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC WHEN IT IS REFERENCED AGAIN, IF WE ARE POINTING TOWARDS THAT TOWARD GUIDANCE. FOR EXAMPLE, LATER ON AND WE PROBABLY WILL NOT GET TO IT TONIGHT, IT IS SPECIFIC ON DEVELOPING THE PROPERTIES TO LOOK AT, THIS IS HOMEPLACE.COM AT THAT PLAN. I THINK WE HAD TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT. THIS WILL BE LOOKED AT AS GUIDANCE. I.T. THAT UP FOR ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS QUESTION. OR WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT AS WE GO

THROUGH THE PLAN. >> SHANNON AGREES WITH ME. THANK

YOU. I AGREE. >> I GUESS I WOULD JUST SAY KEEP IN MIND AS WE GO THROUGH IT. WE HAVE NOT REALLY REVIEWED THIS THE SAME LEVEL WE ARE REVIEWING THIS WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY BECOME PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

>> CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION, YOU MENTIONED IT HAS GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF ITERATIONS. TO HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IN TERMS OF CHANGES YOU HAVE MADE BEFORE IT GOT TO THIS POINT? BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> FURTHER DOWN, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT WE MADE SOME CHANGES WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, LET ME SEE IF IT COMES UP IN HERE. JUST FOR THE SUB AREA PLAN. IT IS REALLY TOWARD THE END WHERE WE THINK ABOUT, WE SHOW PLANNING LEVEL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LOOKING AT THE BUSINESS DISTRICT 106 AND COLLEGE. WHAT KIND OF CHANGES ARE WE HOPING TO SEE IN A TWO TO FIVE YEAR TIME BRACKET AND FIVE TO 10 YEAR? THIS IS THINKING THROUGH OPPORTUNITIES. TRYING TO SAY, AS PROPERTIES BECOME AVAILABLE, AS THEY CHANGE, AS THEY NATURALLY DO, WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT FEEL APPROPRIATE? WE DREW THOSE IN LOCATIONS. NOT NECESSARILY TO SAY, MOSTLY STICKING TO WHERE THERE ARE CURRENTLY VACANT SITES OR UNDERUTILIZED SITES. IN OUR PREVIOUS VERSION FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD SORT OF EXPECTED SOME CHANGES THAT WE RECEIVED SOME DIRECTION THAT FOR EXAMPLE, GLASS AND MIRRORS, ONE OF THE BUSINESSES WE HAD SHOWN A FUTURE WE DEVELOPED VERSION OF THAT, IN THIS, ONE OF THE KEY CHANGES WAS TO KEEP IT AS IS. THEY ARE STRONGHOLD, BELOVED BUSINESS IN THE COMMUNITY. WE DID NOT WANT TO SHAKE THE GROUND TOO MUCH THERE. THAT WAS ONE CHANGE MADE.

WE RECOMMEND THAT THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME IMPROVEMENTS AS THE 106 TRAIL COMES IN A LONG THERE.

LONG-TERM, SHOWING IN THE FIVE TO 10 YEAR BRACKET, SHOULD THEY WANT TO EXPAND, SHOULD OTHER BUSINESSES LOOK TO FILL IN SPACES? WE SHOWED ONE OPTION FOR HOW THAT PHYSICAL PROPERTY COULD

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THAT. >> TO CHRISTINE'S POINT, I THINK WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS GLOBALLY, THIS IS HOMEPLACE, THE BIG DOCUMENT. WITHIN THE BIG DOCUMENT, I'M GOING TO OVERSIMPLIFY THIS. WE HAVE GOT THE BIG DOCUMENT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE PLAN. WHICH I THINK IS WHAT WE ARE REFERRING TO IN THIS SMALLER DOCUMENT. IS THIS WHAT YOU MEAN BY THIS?

>> RIGHT. THAT IS PULLED FROM THE LARGER DOCUMENT. IN THE SMALLER DOCUMENT, WE ARE REFERENCING THE BIGGER DOCUMENT.

>> THE BIGGER DOCUMENT SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. JUST DOUBLE CHECKING THAT YOU AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

>> I THINK I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION, WHAT IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED, ASSUMING THIS ALL GOES THROUGH IN THE COMP PLAN? I'M ASKING. IT IS THE BIG DOCUMENT.

>> THAT IS THE PLAN UPDATE. >> THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.

>> THIS SHORTER SUB AREA PLAN HAS A BLUE COVER HORIZONTAL FORMAT. WE FELT FOR WHAT SHOULD BE REFERENCED, THE COMP PLAN IS APPLIED CITYWIDE. WE FELT SHORTER DOCUMENT WOULD BE HELPFUL. A LOT OF THE DETAILS IN THIS IS HOME LARGER GREEN COVER IS A MIX OF WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THE CITY, WHAT IS THE CITY'S ROLE AS WELL AS OTHER COMMUNITIES STAKEHOLDERS. FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IS THIS DOCUMENT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE AMENDED.

>> MY ONLY QUESTION WAS, SINCE WE ARE REFERENCING IT, THE LARGER DOCUMENT BUT, WE ARE NOT REALLY REVIEWING THE LARGER DOCUMENT. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE REFERENCE IT IN HERE SO WE DO NOT MAYBE PULL FORWARD THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY VETTED OR DISCUSSED AND DO NOT HAVE WIDE COMMUNITY SUPPORT. OR, MAYBE THERE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE PULLED THROUGH. I DO NOT KNOW. JUST TO BE MORE COGNIZANT OF HOW WE ARE REFERENCING THE SUB AREA PLAN.

>> WITH THE COMMITTEE PREFERRED TO GO THROUGH THE FULL HOMEPLACE DOCUMENT PAGE BY PAGE OR THROUGH THIS WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY? >> I THINK WHAT WE ARE CHARGED TO REVIEW, I DO NOT WANT TO CALL IT AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY BECAUSE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SUB AREA PLAN FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE SHORTER DOCUMENT IS WHAT WE ARE CHARGED TO REVIEW?

>> YES, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TONIGHT.

>> IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT? YOU HAVE RAISED SOME EXCELLENT POINTS. THAT WE SHOULD JUST PROCEED AS WE STARTED WITH THE INTRODUCTION AND GO SLOWLY SECTION TO SECTION. THEN, IF SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION IN THE LARGER DOCUMENT, PLEASE BRING IT UP AND WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT. DOES THAT WORK FOR

EVERYBODY? >> PERFECT.

>> OKAY. WE WILL GO BACK TO THE PAGE, INTRODUCTION. THIS OUTLINES THE AREAS OR THE SUB AREA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY

COMMENT ON THIS PAGE? >> A RANDOM QUESTION BUT, THE THIS IS HOME WEBSITE, WILL THAT STAY ACTIVE? THAT IS THROUGH

YOUR COMPANY, CORRECT? >> YES, THAT IS RIGHT. WE HAVE IT ACTIVE AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRANSFER IT TO CITY STAFF TO MAINTAIN IT FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

>> OKAY, THE DOMAIN THAT LINKS TO THAT IS NOT OWNED BY YOUR

COMPANY AS WELL? >> YES BUT, THAT CAN BE

TRANSFERRED AS WELL. >> OKAY.

>> SEEING AS THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, WE WILL GO TO THE PLANNING SUMMARY. ON PAGE FIVE. HERE IT IS OUTLINED BASICALLY HOW THIS IS DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS, WE HAD A SUB AREA PLAN IN 2009 AND THEN OUR COMP PLAN. I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE READ THIS. I

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LINE. >> ADRIAN CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT, IT SAYS IT IS A 2003 STUDY. I MAYBE POINTED OUT THAT THIS IS A SUMMARY TRYING TO PUT THIS HOMEPLACE PLAN INTO THE CONTEXT OF OTHER PLANS THROUGHOUT CARMEL. WE COULD CHANGE IT FROM THIS PAGE BUT, IT IS A WORD THAT GETS USED IN THAT DOCUMENT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PUBLISHED AND DELIVERED AND REFERENCED ELSEWHERE. THESE ARE MEANT TO JUST BE SHORT SUMMARIES OF EXISTING DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUBLISHED.

>> THEN MAYBE LATER WHERE IT IS NOT IN A SUMMARY WE MIGHT LOOK

AGAIN AT DELETING IT. >> OKAY.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, PAGE SIX, PROJECTS IN THE WORKS. ANY

COMMENT? >> I DO. A SMALL LITTLE THING.

ON THE FORMER ORCHARD PARK SCHOOL, WHERE YOU SEE POTENTIAL OPTIONS AND THEN YOU SAY INCLUDE EARLY CHILD LEARNING CENTER OR CHARTER SCHOOL. I WOULD STRIKE CHARTER. I VAGUELY RECALL WHEN THAT CAME THROUGH IT WAS NOT UNIVERSALLY WELL ACCEPTED. I WOULD KEEP IT GENERIC. CHILDHOOD LEARNING CENTER OR A SCHOOL OR

PRESCHOOL, SOMETHING GENERIC. >> OKAY.

>> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT, THERE ARE MENTIONS OF CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS PLANNED ANTICIPATED DEVELOPMENTS. ARE THERE I WAS A PRIVATE PROJECTS WE SHOULD INCLUDE TO SHOW THERE IS ACTIVITY WITHIN THE DISTRICT? EVEN IF IT IS JUST A RESIDENTIAL REMODEL OR SOMETHING TO SHOW THERE IS OTHER ACTIVITY WITHIN THE DISTRICT?

>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT? WHAT EXACTLY, GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

>> WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW LATER IN THE DOCUMENT THERE ARE ELEMENTS FOR, IF SOMEONE CHOOSES TO SELL, A PROPERTY TRANSFERS, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO EXPAND THE BUSINESS, THIS HELPS SET SOME OF THE FRAMEWORK. ARE THOSE THINGS HAPPENING? MAYBE THERE IS LITTLE TO REPORT THAT WE TALK ABOUT EXPANSION PROJECTS OUTSIDE THE DISTRIC AND THE CITY'S PUBLIC THE STRUCTURE - - ON THE PRIVATE SIDE THAT WOULD HELP SUPPORT ACTIVITY THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING WITHIN THE DISTRICT IS WHAT I WAS WONDERING. IF WE WANT TO KEEP THE FOCUS ONLY TO WHAT THE CITY IS ALREADY SPECIFICALLY INVESTING IN, I GUESS I GET THAT. AT THE SAME TIME PERHAPS OTHER ENTITIES INVOLVED IN THE FORMER SCHOOL SITE JUST A QUESTION. NOT A HARD REQUIREMENT, I JUST WANTED TO

ASK. >> JEFF, YOU WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE ADD WHEN - - WENT THROUGH THEIR EXPANSION, IF THAT WAS STILL

GOING ON. >> PERFECT EXAMPLE.

>> THE PRESCHOOL I THINK ON COLLEGE RECENTLY WENT THROUGH APPROVALS. IF THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THAT THAT ARE MAYBE UNDER DEVELOPMENT. I THINK I THEY TOWNHOMES OR DUPLEXES BEING BUILT BY HAND? FURTHER NORTH SO MAYBE SOME OF THOSE

RECENT PROJECTS? >> CAN THE DEPARTMENT LOOK INTO

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THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN'T >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> WOULD YOU WANT THAT AS A FOOTNOTE OR, JUST A NOTE WITHIN THE BODY OF THE DOCUMENT? I GUESS, WE CAN WORK WITH THE STAFF. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING IF SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, KIND OF WHAT THEIR HORIZON IS. PART OF THE GOAL IS THIS IS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE CHANGES THAT WILL INFLUENCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE LONGER TERM, FIVE TO 10 YEAR PROCESS. SOMETIMES THESE ONE OFF PROJECTS DO NOT IMPACT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. BUT, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE TAKE A LOOK AT AND HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND FIND A WAY TO REFERENCE THAT WHETHER THOSE ARE LISTED SOMEWHERE ON THE WEBSITE SOMEWHERE THAT MIGHT BE AN EASY WAY TO INCORPORATE IT IF WE CAN DIRECT SOMEONE TO A PAGE WHERE THAT IS MAYBE LISTED OR FOUND. THAT MAYBE A POTENTIAL WAY TO REFERENCE THOSE TYPES OF INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS.

>> ARE YOU TALKING TO JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, SOME OF THE CITY

INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS? >> A LOT OF THE CITY OF THE STRUCTURE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY REFERENCE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF SHOULD WE ALSO SHOW AS WE TRY TO GUIDE AND ESTABLISH DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND CRITERIA WE MIGHT SEE IF SOMEONE CHOOSES TO DEVELOP OR REDEVELOP. IT WOULD SHOW THERE ARE ACTIVE PROJECTS, THINGS HAPPENING IN THE DISTRICT THAT ARE NOT ALL PUBLIC TYPE PROJECTS. AND I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU ARE ASKING ME OR OUR TEAM BUT I AM OPEN TO WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. WHETHER IT IS A LIST TO ADD TO THE GRAPHIC WE ALREADY SEE OR SOMETHING ELSE. REALLY JUST A QUESTION OF IF WE WANT TO SHOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER

PRIVATE ACTIVITIES HAPPENING. >> YEAH, GREAT.

>> OKAY. WE WILL INCORPORATE THAT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PAGE? OKAY. SECTION 2, GROWTH STRATEGY. PAGE EIGHT, I GUESS.

DEFINE WHO WE ARE. DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT? OKAY, NO

COMMENT, ALL RIGHT. >> MADAM CHAIR? NOW THAT WE ARE GETTING CLOSER INTO MORE OF THE SUBSTANCE, SHOULD WE MAYBE START GOING THROUGH IT IN MORE DETAIL? JUST A SUGGESTION, IF WE CAN STILL KEEP GOING BLOCK BY BLOCK BUT, IF IT IS HELPFUL TO EVERYBODY TO GO THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE?

>> YES, DEFINITELY AGREE. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE DIRECTLY READ UP UNTIL LAUNCH A PLACE-BASED ORGANIZATION. I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING, DUE TO MY COCHAIR HERE THAT MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE YARD GO THROUGH THIS AND WE COULD STOP

THEM WITH A QUESTION ANY TIME. >> YES, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO

READ IT AS IS? >> LAUNCH OF PLACE-BASED ORGANIZATION ALL ABOUT 106 AND COLLEGE IN BED. 106 AND COLLEGE INCORPORATED IS A NEW NONPROFIT STRUCTURED AS A MAIN STREET AMERICA AFFILIATE LED BY HOMEPLACE BUSINESS OWNERS AND RESIDENTS. IT HAS AN INITIAL BOARD OF THREE MEMBERS WITH PLANS TO GROW 29. A WORKING BOARD WHERE VOLUNTEERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR FUNDRAISING, POCKETING AND EVENTS.

COLLABORATION WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS, INCLUDING THE CITY OF CARMEL AND CLAY TOWNSHIP WILL BE KEY TO ACHIEVING TASKS OUTLINED IN THE 12 MONTH ACTION PLAN. THE MISSION FOR THIS GROUP IS TO PROMOTE AND SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF 106 AND COLLEGE BUSINESS DISTRICT. THEIR VISION IS THE 106 AND COLEGE IS THIS DISTRICT IS A BELOVED PIECE OF THE HOME PLACE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE GATHER, SHOP, ENJOY THEMSELVES AND WERE SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES THRIVE. TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, WE HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE 106 AND COLLEGE IN'S CORE VALUES. QUITE AND NEIGHBORLY OVER BUSTLING AND CORPORATE. LOCALLY OWNED BUSINESS IS OVER NATIONAL CHANGE. LUSH AND GREEN OVER HARD AND GREAT. SPALL MEDIUM SCALE

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>> MAY I? >> I AM GOING TO REFERENCE THE BIG DOCUMENT. WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THIS 106 AND COLLEGE INCORPORATED IN THE PLAN THAT YOU IMPLEMENTED, THIS WILL SEEM LIKE A STRANGE QUESTION BUT IS THERE A BOARD CURRENTLY, OTHER

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? >> YES.

>> NOT THAT I NEED TO KNOW THAT IS THIS ALREADY AN ACTIVE, WORKING GROUP. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS. MAYBE THEY ARE HERE.

>> WE HAVE ONE MEMBER HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. I MENTIONED A WEBINAR SERIES WHERE WE SENT OUT A BIG INVITATION. A LOT OF IT WAS PROVIDING OPTIONS FOR ANYONE IN THE HOME PLACE COMMUNITY WANTING TO GET MORE INVOLVED. WE WENT OVER OPTIONS FOR WHAT AN ORGANIZATION STRUCTURE COULD LOOK LIKE. THAT LED TO THIS 106 AND COLLEGE. WE HAVE THREE RESIDENTS SERVING ON THE BOARD.

WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER LIST OF ABOUT 20 PEOPLE AND A CONTACT LIST THAT WE HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS OF ABOUT 400 PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO REACH THROUGH EMAIL. WE ARE STILL FIGURING OUT WHAT REGULARITY OF MEETINGS OF THAT GROUP WITH CITY STAFF LOOKS LIKE. THAT IS MORE LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO IMPLEMENTING THE THINGS BEING DESCRIBED IN THE PLAN. WE ARE FLUSHING THROUGH THOSE LOGISTICS. WE HAVE A SET OF THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THOSE EMAILS AND CORRESPONDENCE. I APPRECIATE THAT, I WAS CURIOUS.

>> ADRIAN JUST REMINDED ME, WE ALSO HAVE A WEBSITE 106 AND COLLEGE.COM. WHERE ANYONE THAT LEARNS ABOUT IT IN HOMEPLACE OR ELSEWHERE IN CARMEL WANTS TO HELP OUT, EITHER GET INVOLVED WITH THE BOARD, HOST AN EVENT, THAT WEBSITE IS WHERE YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR THE NEWSLETTER, LEARN MORE ABOUT THE GROUP AND

GET INVOLVED. >> MAYBE THIS IS MORE FOR STAFF, HOW ARE YOU MARKETING THAT INFORMATION OUT? I GUESS FARMING IT OUT TO BESIDES WHAT YOU HAVE DONE ALREADY BUT, MOVING FORWARD, HOW DOES THAT LOOK? FOR THE CITIZENS? HOW WILL THAT WORK MARKETING WISE? ARE YOU GOING TO SEND OUT A BIG MARKETING CAMPAIGN? I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU DID.

>> THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PLAN AND THE ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN IN THE CITY'S E-NEWS LETTER PERIODICALLY. I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO, THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ORGANIZATION AS AN OPPORTUNITY. I THINK THE ORGANIZATION ITSELF CAN ALSO REACH OUT TO FOLKS. WE ARE STILL WORKING OUT THE LOGISTICS OF PARTNERSHIPS AND THINGS MOVING FORWARD.

>> JUST AS A COURTESY, COULD YOU INTRODUCE THE PEOPLE YOU

REFERENCED IN THE AUDIENCE? >> CASEY, DO YOU MIND WAITING

YOUR HAND? THANK YOU. >> I THE QUESTION ON THE SAME TOPIC. IT REFERENCES THAT IT IS PART OF MAIN STREET AMERICA AFFILIATE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO BE THAT AFFILIATE?

>> IT PROVIDES, MAIN STREET AMERICA AFFILIATE, MAIN STREET HAS A GREAT HISTORY IN THE STATE OF INDIANA. IT STARTED HERE.

BEING AN AFFILIATE OPENS DOORS AS FAR AS RESOURCES BOTH FUNDING, STAFF CAPACITY AND OTHER PEERS. THE ORGANIZATION IS ROOTED, IT STARTED IN SMALL TOWNS, TO KIND OF KEEP BUSINESSES ALIVE. IT IS REALLY A WAY TO HAVE A SUPPORT SYSTEM FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS JUST STARTING OUT, WE FELT THAT MODEL WOULD BE HELPFUL. THERE IS NO HIRED STAFF AT THIS POINT, IT IS ALL VOLUNTEER RUN. MAIN STREET AMERICA IS A WAY TO HAVE EXTRA SUPPORT AS THEY LOOK TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WE ATTRACT BUSINESSES HERE TO 106 AND COLLEGE, LEARN FROM OTHERS THAT I'VE DONE THAT TYPE OF THING. THAT IS SORT OF WHY WE ENDED UP WITH THAT TYPE

OF MODEL. >> THANK YOU. TO PIGGYBACK THAT QUESTION, DOES THAT PARTICULAR GROUP, WILL THEY HELP 106 WITH

GRANT FINDING, GRANT FUNDING? >> THEY DO POST DUTIES. THE

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>> ALONG THOSE LINES, WHO IS THE APPOINTED AUTHORITY FOR THE BOARD? WHO APPOINTED THE MEMBERS, WILL NEW MEMBERS BECOME

INVOLVED? >> I SHOULD MENTION IT IS A 105 C3 NONPROFIT. THEY HAVE BYLAWS THAT ARE POSTED. THERE IS NO CITY APPOINTED INVOLVEMENT WITH IT. IT IS ITS OWN ENTITY.

>> SOMEBODY HAS TO APPOINT THEM. HOW DOES A BOARD MEMBER GO ABOUT OR HOW TO SOMEBODY GO ABOUT BECOMING A MEMBER OF THE

ORGANIZATION. >> I MIGHT CALL UP BROOKE FOR THE BYLAWS, SHE KNOWS MORE ON THAT.

>> I AM NOT ABLE TO REFERENCE SPECIFIC BYLAWS BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, ANY INTERESTED RESIDENT OR BUSINESS OWNER IN HOMEPLACE WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THEIR RESUME OR APPLICATION, TALK ABOUT THEIR INTERESTS AND PASSIONS. THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE EVERY MONTH. WHY THEY ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE WORK IN THIS BUSINESS. THAT WOULD BE VETTED BY EXISTING BOARD MEMBERS. IF THERE IS A GOOD FIT IS A LAWYER COMING ON FEELING THE NEED. A LARGE NETWORK AND GET COMMUNITY VOICE THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE ADOPTED. THERE IS ROOM

FOR UP TO NINE BOARD MEMBERS. >> THE BOARD GET TO DECIDE?

>> CORRECT. I AM CURIOUS I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION MORE FOR STAFF OR THOSE OF US UP HERE. IS THERE A SIMILAR EXAMPLE THAT WE CAN PULL FROM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY? I DO NOT REALLY KNOW.

IS THERE A MAIN STREET BOARD? OR A SEPARATE MAIN STREET - - ARTS

AND DESIGNS DISTRICT? >> DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE

SIMILAR. >> I AM NOT SURE IF THERE IS A MAIN STREET MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION. CERTAINLY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS AROUND THE CITY. I DO NOT THINK THAT

THEY WOULD BE QUITE LIKE THIS. >> OKAY.

>> WE CAN ASK AROUND AND SEE. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS KIND OF A NONPROFIT THAT FORMED ITSELF AND THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET THEIR 501(C)(3). IS THAT WHAT I SAW ON THE

WEBSITE? >> YES.

>> THERE ARE OTHER NONPROFITS AND THEY SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION TO BECOME A NONPROFIT AND THEY HAVE THEIR BYLAWS THEY HAD TO COME UP WITH. I THOUGHT THE - - A LOCAL ONE THAT WAS FORMED AROUND 2008 MAYBE. IT HAS BEEN AROUND. THEIR BYLAWS WOULD SAY HOW PEOPLE ARE APPOINTED AND THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE RULES AND HAVE MEETINGS. AND HAVE BOARD APPOINTMENTS EVERY YEAR. I THINK IT IS LIKE ANY OTHER NONPROFIT, THEY SET UP THEIR OWN RULES AND HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE. ARE YOU INTERESTED IN THAT MORE? OR ABOUT THE FUNCTION AND THE MAIN STREET PART?

>> I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE WERE EXAMPLES WE COULD PULL FROM FROM EXISTING ORGANIZATIONS FROM WHATEVER POCKET OF THE CITY WE ARE LOOKING AT.

>> KIND OF A LOCAL EXAMPLE, ZIONSVILLE, THEIR BUSINESS DISTRICT HAS A ORGANIZATION THAT MANAGES THEIR IS THIS DISTRICT.

>> HOW DO YOU ENVISION THE CITY WORKING WITH THEM? THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN BEING, A STRONG INTEREST IN BEING INVOLVED IN THE SUB AREA DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS NOTHING ON THIS PAGE WHICH MAY BE DOESN'T BELONG THERE. WHAT IS YOUR FEELING?

>> ONE THING THAT DOES GET TALKED ABOUT IS THE PROGRAMS AND BUSINESS DISTRICT IMPROVEMENT GRANTS. THOSE KIND OF COME UP WE TALK ABOUT ACTIVATING THE BUSINESS DISTRICTS AND SHORT-TERM INITIATIVES. THEN LONG-TERM, THERE ARE KEY PROGRAMS THAT THE CITY WOULD NEED TO SUPPORT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT. THE MAIN STREET ORGANIZATION WOULD IDEALLY BE THE RIGHT ENTITY TO DEPLOY THOSE FUNDS. BUSINESSES WANTED TO IMPROVE HOW THEIR OUTDOOR EXTERIOR LOOKS ON THIS PUBLIC STREET FACING SIDE. OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A CITY OF CARMEL PROGRAM

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DESCRIBED TO THE PLAN. >> I THINK IT MIGHT BE, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT SOME OF THE LETTERS WE RECEIVED FROM THE CONSTITUENCY IN THE AREA. I THINK THERE IS A BIT OF DISCONNECT ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL - - 106 INCORPORATED IS MEANT TO DO FIRST IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN. AT LEAST THAT IS MY INTERPRETATION OF SOME OF THE EMAILS I HAVE RECEIVED. SOME OF THE EMAILS HAD STATED THEY WANTED TO BE A PART OF THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS THAT HAS DEVELOPED AND HOW THOSE THINGS WOULD HAPPEN. I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH A DISCUSSION, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ARE ON THIS PAGE NOW TALKING ABOUT IT. WHAT THE TRUE ROLE OF THAT ENTITY WOULD BE VERSUS WHAT MAYBE THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS THINK THEY WANT TO SEE ADDED. HAVING A CLEAR DEFINITION IS IMPORTANT AT THIS POINT.

TALKING ABOUT THE GRANTS I GET THAT. I DO NOT THINK IT IS NECESSARILY CLEAR, BUT IT MEANS.

>> I TOTALLY AGREE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS ONE PAGE, I REALLY COULDN'T GET THE PICTURE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING HERE. AND AS WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, I AM STARTING TO GET MORE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE. THERE MIGHT BE MORE INFORMATION, THAT WE COULD PULL FORWARD. HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND REALLY, I THINK THERE HAS GOT TO BE MORE DETAILS PUT INTO THIS. I KNOW IT IS BIG PICTURE BUT, IT IS NOT REALLY CLEAR WHAT THE GAME IS HERE. HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND THEN

CLARIFY IT. >> TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK, AS WE LOOK AT THE MISSION STATEMENT PROMOTE AND SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF THE 106 AND COLLEGE BUSINESS DISTRICT. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS ONLY COVERING HALF OF THE STORY. WE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS LAST TIME THEY WANT TO ALSO PRESERVE THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I THINK WE ARE ONLY TELLING HALF THE STORY IF WE ARE SAYING YOU WANT TO SUPPORT GROWTH OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICT.

WE ARE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE

NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. >> ARE YOU REFERENCING 106 AND COLLEGE MEMBERS HAVING THAT CONCERN? OR JUST BROADLY?

>> JUST TALKING ABOUT THE AREA, I GUESS. THE NONPROFIT AS WELL.

I AM JUST SAYING, IF THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO HELP SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND PRESERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I

THINK WE NEED TO SAY THAT. >> THIS MISSION STATEMENT APPLIES TO THE ORGANIZATION. IT IS MEANT TO GUIDE, AS THIS GROUP GETS INVOLVED, RAISES FUNDS, PUTS ON EVENTS AND PROGRAMS. HELPS ORGANIZE CLEANUP EVENTS. RIGHT NOW, WHAT DOES THREE PEOPLE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TOWARD. AS A COMMUNITY, THIS PLAN HAS OTHER STATEMENTS. THIS SORT OF I THINK COMMUNITY CHARACTER COMES INTO THIS PAGE RIGHT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY THE IDENTITY OF HOMEPLACE. THAT IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED TO CHERISH THE LOCAL BUSINESSES, THE HEART OF THE DISTRICT AND CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. WE DID SORT OF REFERENCE THAT AS PART OF THE PURPOSE OF THIS SUB AREA PLAN.

>> I'M NOT DISAGREEING IT MAY BE LATER. THE PIECE I'M COMING BACK TO, WE TALK ABOUT THE RESIDENTS IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE. TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY PARTNERS. I THINK, IF WE ARE ONLY FOCUSED ON GROWTH OF THE BUSINESS SIDE, WE ARE MISSING HALF THE PICTURE IS MY COMMENT.

>> OKAY. >> I THINK WHAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IS TO KEEP THIS AT A HIGHER LEVEL IS TO DEFINE THE BOUNDARIES ON THIS PAGE. IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THIS PAGE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE 106 AND COLLEGE BUSINESS DISTRICT IS.

HOW FAR OUT DOES AGO. I THINK YOU COULD JUST ADD A SENTENCE TO DEFINE THE AREA. SO I THINK THAT TWO - - WE CAN ADJUST THE

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THE MISSION STATEMENT. >> WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? IS THAT FROM THE INITIAL MEETING OF THE THREE MEMBERS?

>> WE HELD KIND OF A ELONGATED MEETING LIKE A STRATEGIC MEETING WITH THOSE THREE MEMBERS AND A FEW OTHERS THAT WERE INTERESTED IN BEING INVOLVED. IT WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO COME UP WITH THE STATEMENT, THE VISION AND VALUES AS THE DRIVERS. NOT WANTING TO BITE MORE THAN WE CAN CHEW AS AN EMERGING ORGANIZATION I THINK WE TRY TO KEEP IT SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHICALLY AND IN TERMS OF THE 12 MONTH ACTION PLAN IS A GREAT REFERENCE. IT IS INCLUDED IN THE APPENDIX OF THE DOCUMENT SO SOME OF THE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING OVER THIS NEXT YEAR, WHO THEY ARE WORKING WITH LIKE ARE DESCRIBED IN FULLER DETAIL THERE. THAT IS KIND OF WHAT THIS POINTS TO. THERE MAY BE, IF WE DO OPEN UP THAT MISSION STATEMENT, WE MIGHT NEED TO REVISIT WITH THAT GROUP WHAT THAT MAY MEAN AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EXAMPLES FROM OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE COULD PULL FROM. I'M CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO DIMINISH THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS GROUP. I THINK IT IS GREAT WE HAVE A FORUM AND AN ORGANIZATION THAT WILL HELP GUIDE THE VISION AND CORE CULTURE OF WHAT WE ARE AIMING TOWARD FOR HOMEPLACE. I GUESS MY QUESTION, DOES THIS NEED TO BE PART OF THE PLAN? I DO IT IS IMPORTANT, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE CITY-OWNED LOT IN THIS DISTRICT. WHERE WE HAVE THE PARK IS ONE EXAMPLE. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE, WITHIN THE PLAN AND BECAUSE THE DISTRICT, THAT IS THE GATHERING PLACE OF HOMEPLACE AS A COMMUNITY, WE ENDED UP PUTTING A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON THE BUSINESS DISTRICT BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE PEOPLE FELT COMFORTABLE, IF WE ARE WANTING TO HAVE MORE HOUSING, HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL. A LOT OF THE EFFORTS ENDED UP POINTING TO, THAT IS WHERE THE FOCUS SHOULD BE. HAVING THAT PARTNER AND HAVING THAT ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE CITY, WE HAVE HAD FEEDBACK THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT IN THIS

SUB AREA PLAN. >> THANK YOU. I AM CURIOUS TO HEAR FEEDBACK FROM THE REST OF THE GROUP. I WOULD PREFER IT TO

STAY IN THERE FOR THAT REASON. >> OKAY.

>> HOW OFTEN IS THE GROUP MEETING RIGHT NOW? IS IT MONTHLY? I WILL FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE AN ORGANIZATION DRIVEN DECISION ON WHAT THAT MISSION COULD BE, SHOULD BE. IF THEY WANT TO PROMOTE THIS FOR GROWTH AND PRESERVATION, THAT SHOULD BE THEIR - - IF YOU WANT TO MEET, THIS IS MOST LIKELY A LONG-TERM

DISCUSSION. >> I AGREE IT SHOULD STAY IN. I AM HOPING DOWN THE ROAD WE CAN ADD MORE TO INCLUDE THEM AS A MORE ACTIVE ROLE WITH THE CITY AS THE SUB AREA PROJECT DEVELOPS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ON THIS?

>>? GENERAL COMMENT. FROM A HIGHER LEVEL, IF THIS IS CONFUSING TO PEOPLE, THEN, I WOULD SUGGEST GOING BACK TO THE INTRODUCTION AND BUILDING IN ANOTHER SHORT PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT ISN'T. BUT THE FINE WHAT THIS REALLY IS IN A WAY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THESE KINDS OF GOVERNMENT PLANS. THEY WOULD HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS IS MEANT TO BE AND WHAT IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE.

>> HUMANLIKE ON THE PLANNING SUMMER?

>> BACK UP EVEN IN THE INTRODUCTION. I DO NOT CARE WHERE IT GOES BUT EARLY ON AS YOU ARE LOOKING THROUGH IT, YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT ISN'T.

>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE SUB AREA PLAN IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT. WE

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CAN DO THAT. >> WE CAN GO ONE MORE PAGE.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING ON THIS PAGE IS TO CHECK BACK WITH THE THREE MEMBERS AND DISCUSS THE MISSION STATEMENT AND MAYBE CLARIFY IF THAT IS INDEED THE ONE THEY WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE AND ADD ANYTHING AND WE CAN SHARE BACK ON THAT?

>> YES. IT WAS A REQUEST TO DEFINE THE BOUNDARIES BASICALLY OF THE AREA. I KNOW IT SAYS 106 AND COLLEGE. THAT COULD CHANGE

ANYWAY, OVER TIME. EXPANDED OUT. >> PROBABLY ADD MORE NARRATIVE ABOUT WHAT THIS IS AND THE TYPE OF ORGANIZATION IT IS

>> >> OKAY. SURE.

>> THE LAST PAGE WE ARE GOING TO DO TONIGHT IS PAGE 10, SUBDIVISION INVESTING IN THE HEART OF HOMEPLACE. AS PART OF THIS, AS I HAVE LEARNED, AS WE DISCUSSED THIS, DO REVIEW THE PICTURES AND MAKE SURE YOU FEEL THEY ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS PAGE AND IT IS THE VISION WE ANTICIPATE THIS BEING.

>> YES. INVESTING IN THE HEART OF HOMEPLACE, THE GROWTH AND VITALITY OF THE HOMEPLACE BUSINESS DISTRICT IS A PARTY FOR THE COMMUNITY. A COHESIVE AND WALKABLE AREA CENTERED AROUND THE INTERSECTION OF 106 STREET AND COLLEGE AVENUE ENVISIONS TO ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD EXPERIENCE BY MAKING IT A BETTER VERSION OF ITSELF. THIS WILL BE ACHIEVED THROUGH STRATEGIC IMPROVEMENTS LED BY THE NEW 106 AND COLLEGE INCORPORATED. THE CITY AND PROPERTY OWNERS FOCUSED ON ENHANCING STREETSCAPES, STOREFRONTS AND CONNECTIVITY. SHORT-TERM EFFORTS WILL LAY THE GROUNDWORK WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION, BEAUTIFICATION INITIATIVES AND FUNDING MECHANISMS WHILE LONG-TERM GOALS AND TO ATTRACT NEW AMENITIES, SUPPORT BUSINESSES AND POSITIVELY IMPACT BROADER COMMUNITY INITIATIVES TO INCREASE THE DISTRICT'S VISIBILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY.

YES, THESE IMAGES ARE CHARACTER IMAGE WE USED THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING PROCESS AS WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT WE ENVISION, ELEMENTS OF THE FUTURE COMMUNITY. THESE REPRESENTED SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT

WE HAD. >> I NOTICE IN HERE THAT YOU DO NOT MENTION ANYTHING THAT I SEE RIGHT OFF ABOUT HOUSING. THIS HAS TALKED ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE 106 AND COLLEGE INCORPORATED, THE CITY. AND PROPERTY OWNERS FOCUSING ON ENHANCING - - IS THIS THE VISION FOR THE HEART OF HOMEPLACE? ARE YOU TALKING 106 AND COLLEGE? YES. WE ARE SORT OF REFERENCING THAT, KIND OF DESCRIBING, AS WE THINK ABOUT INVESTMENTS IN HOME PLACE. A PRIORITY IS THE 106 AND COLLEGE AREA BEING GATHERING PLACE FOR COMMUNITIES MEMBERS. THAT IS WHERE AGAIN, A LOT OF FOCUS THROUGHOUT THE PLAN HAS BEEN PLACED.

>> YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD SOMEWHERE UNDER SAID THE VISION INVESTING IN HOMEPLACE, 106 AND COLLEGE. BRING IT ALL HOME.

>> THAT IS A GREAT COMMENT. FROM AN ORGANIZATIONAL STANDPOINT AS A FLIP THROUGH THE GROSS STRATEGY, SECTION 2, THE FIRST SEVERAL PAGES SEEM TO BE FOCUSED ON THE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THEN YOU GET TO THE END WHERE IT IS COMING BACK RIGHT. I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO DELINEATE THAT MORE CLEARLY THAT WHAT APPLIES TO WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS JUST THE BUSINESS DISTRICT VERSUS THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY FROM AN ORGANIZATIONAL STANDPOINT. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO

SAY. >> A RIGHT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? OKAY. >> ONE THING I'M SITTING HERE

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GUESS? >> TO PIGGYBACK ON YOUR RESPONSE, I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. I THINK I THERE IS MISCONCEPTION ABOUT WHAT, NOT MISCONCEPTION AND MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. ON THE BROADER, THE 10,000 VIEW, IT DOES INCORPORATE ALL OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICT OF HOMEPLACE. WHICH DOES INCLUDE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL HOMES. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, TO YOUR POINT, REALLY DEFINED. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.

>> AND YOU ALL THINK WE ARE MISSING A PAGE IN HERE? THE PART

ON RESIDENTIAL - - >> I GUESS PERHAPS, IF THIS IS AS FAR AS WE ARE GETTING TONIGHT, PERHAPS WITH MY COMMENT OR WITH OTHER FEEDBACK THEY HAVE HEARD TONIGHT, MAYBE THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN ADDRESS THAT. NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT THING WHAT IS THE ANSWER TONIGHT BUT PERHAPS ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS THEY CAN BRING TO THE FOLLOWING DISCUSSION WE WILL HAVE NEXT TIME TO WHETHER WE WILL HAVE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED. SO WE CAN CONTINUE THAT DIALOGUE.

>> YES. I WILL MAYBE MENTION THIS PAGE IS FOCUSED ON THE BUSINESS DISTRICT BUT IT IS MEANT TO BE DESCRIBING WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. WE CAN REVISIT IT AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING. I THINK WE DO GET INTO HOUSING STRATEGIES IN FUTURE PAGES. IF THERE IS ANYTHING SPECIFIC YOU WOULD LIKE US TO COME BACK WITH, THAT WOULD BE

HELPFUL TO HEAR AS WELL. >> I THINK MAYBE BREAKING IT OUT A LITTLE MORE BUSINESS. MAYBE WE JUST NEED ANOTHER PAGE IN HERE.

YOU ALL CAN REVIEW IT. >> SORRY, I WAS JUST SAYING IT FEELS LIKE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A MISSING PIECE, THAT IS IT.

JUST A TINY PIECE. >> OKAY. THERE'S A LOT MORE TO HOME PLACE THEN THE BUSINESS DISTRICT IS I THINK WHAT WE ARE

ALL SAYING. >> OKAY.

>> ON THAT NOTE, I THINK WE WILL CLOSE THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC TONIGHT AND TURN IT OVER TO MY COUNTERPART.

[3. Docket No. 2025-00125 CPA: US 31 Subarea Plan – Comprehensive Plan Amendment The applicant seeks to Amend the Carmel Comprehensive Plan to incorporate a new US 31 Corridor Sub Area Plan. Filed by the Department of Community Services on behalf of the Carmel Plan Commission. ]

>> OKAY. ITEM NUMBER THREE. THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE CARMEL COMPLETED PLAN TO INCORPORATE A NEW - - COMMUNITY SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE CARMEL PLAN

COMMISSION. >> ADRIAN KEELING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. MUCH OF THE LAST PLAN I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, WE WILL STILL WORK FROM THIS DRAFT UNTIL WE GET THROUGH IT AND MAKE CHANGES ALL AT ONCE. I THINK WE ARE RECOMMENDING AGAIN AND THE TIME LIMIT ON DISCUSSION. THEN, WHATEVER WE DO NOT GET THROUGH WE CAN PICK UP AT THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING. I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PROCESS, WHICH HAS ADMITTEDLY BEEN DIFFERENT BECAUSE, IT IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SUB AREA THEN THE HOMEPLACE AREA. DANIELLE WILL EXPLAIN SOME OFTHAT. THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT, WE WILL STICK TO THE - - WITH THE INTERRUPTION AND THEN GO THROUGH EACH SECTION.

>> THANK YOU. WE STARTED THESE TWO SUB AREA PLANS AT THE SAME TIME BUT DID WANT TO POINT OUT KEY DIFFERENCES. THE 31 QUARTER

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>> OKAY. I MENTIONED, SIMILAR FORMAT TO THE OTHER PLAN BUT, HERE WE ARE REFERENCING SOME PRE-EXISTING PLANS, REPORTSTHAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT THE 31 CORRIDOR. IT INCLUDED THINGS LIKE, AGAIN THE CARMEL POSITIONING STRATEGY IS LISTED, THE HOUSING TASK FORCE REPORT. THE TRANSIT STUDY REFERENCED SOME TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS QUARTER.

WE WANTED TO SUMMARIZE THOSE TO PROVIDE CONTEXT. THEN, A COUPLE MORE LISTED ON THIS NEXT PAGE AND THEN ALONG THE EXHIBIT ON THE PAGE JUST HIGHLIGHTS A COUPLE SORT OF LARGER SCALE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT, IN THE WORKS EARLY IN THEIR PLANNING PROCESSES. WANTED TO POINT OUT WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED AS WE REFERENCE IT IN THE TEXT SUMMARY. THANK YOU.

I WILL OPEN IT UP TO COMMITTEE. ANY STANDOUT ISSUES?

>> WE RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAILS. ASKING WHAT THE BORDERS ARE. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD BRIEFLY WALK THROUGH IT? WHAT THE BORDERS OF THE DISTRICT ARE. FOR CLARITY PURPOSES. AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS MYSELF. JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT IS

IN IT AND NOT IN IT. >> THE BORDER FOR THE 31 DISTRICT IS, 86TH STREET. IT FOLLOWS FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH BOUNDARY IT FOLLOWS THE CITY OF CARMEL EDGES OUT THE 465 ALONG 96 AND NORTH UP TO 146 STREET. THEN, IT ZIGZAGS AROUND LARGELY PENNSYLVANIA STREET IS A KEY EASTERN EDGE. ILLINOIS AND SPRING MILL ROAD ARE DIFFERENT WESTERN EDGES. SORT OF THE - - OF THE BOUNDARY WAS DICTATED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU MAY RECALL THERE ARE SOME DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THAT CITYWIDE MAP. FOR THIS PLAN, WE FOLLOWED THAT SAME BOUNDARY BOUND IN THE DOWNTOWN WEST IS THE DEPARTMENT PATTERN THAT WE MAINTAINED WITH THIS SUB AREA PLAN.

>> THANK YOU. WITH GUARDS TO THE PART THAT BUMPS OUT ON THE WEST

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IS THAT WHERE THE CHARLES IS? I AM TRYING TO OR IS THAT THE

HEALTH PROPERTY? >> IT IS THE HEALTH PROPERTY.

>> IS THAT ALL OF THE HEALTH PROPERTY? YOU HAVE THEIR BUILDING IN THE VACANT LOT NEXT WEEK. YES, THAT IS RIGHT HERE.

OKAY. I DO NOT HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT NOW. I WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT VACANT LOT IS NEXT TO SPRING MILL. I DO NOT KNOW THAT THE MERIDIAN CORRIDOR FOR THESE STANDARDS WOULD FIT WELL WITHIN WHAT IS CURRENTLY NOW GREEN SPACE BETWEEN ILLINOIS AND SPRING MILL. I RAISE THAT UP FOR YOU. I THINK IT IS A REALLY OLD PUD BUT NOT DEVELOPED. WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2022, A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE KEPT THOSE WOODS. AS TREE PRESERVATION AREA ON THAT LOT. I GUESS I JUST RAISE THAT AS A QUESTION ON THAT. ON THE OTHER SIDE, IS 111TH AND PENN INCLUDED IN THIS OR NOT? IT

IS NOT. OKAY. >> YES, ACTUALLY - -

>> IT IS? >> IT IS RIGHT THERE.

>> OKAY. I JUST ASK FOR EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ON THAT

ONE. ON THAT ONE PARCEL. >> THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF MINE. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS PART OF - - BUT, YOU SAID IT IS A SPECIAL STUDY AREA. IT HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT CAN JUST STAY ON ILLINOIS AND NOT ABOUT ON SPRING MILL?

>> IS THERE SOME UNDERLYING - - IT IS OWNED BY - - NORTH.

>> WE DID HAVE TO MEET THEM, THEY MAY BE DEVELOPING, EXTENDING SOME FACILITY ONTO THAT SPACE AT SOME POINT. JUST FOR CONTINUITY OF HAVING AN EMPLOYER PROPERTY IN THIS DISTRICT IS WHY IT WAS INCLUDED.

>> SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT ON 31, HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS AND THINGS. IT CONCERNS ME AND I WOULD THINK IT CONCERNS ANYBODY LIVING OVER IN THAT AREA. AGAIN, I ASK, IS THERE SOME WAY THAT ILLINOIS TO SPRING MILL ABOUT TO BE TAKEN

OUT OF THE PLAN? >> WE CAN EXPLORE THAT. SOME OF THE ZONING STANDARDS DO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS IF A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, THEY ARE PRETTY HIGH BAR STANDARDS OF WHAT THE BUFFERS LOOK LIKE, LANDSCAPING, THE SETBACKS. THOSE WOULD KICK INTO PLAY, WHATEVER OCCURS.

EXCEPT FOR RIGHT NOW, IT IS CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL. THAT IS WHAT IT IS DON'T I THINK IT IS PUD, RESIDENTIAL.

>> ISN'T IT PUD? IT IS IN AN EXISTING PUD.

>> DID I UNDERSTAND THERE IS AN EXCEPTIONAL DESIGNATION FOR THAT

AREA? I DO NOT THINK SO. >> OKAY.

>> I GUESS, I AGREE WITH THE CHAIR TO CONSIDER TAKING THAT ONE PARCEL OUT UNLESS THERE IS A REASON WHY THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE QUARTER. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR.

>> THE WOODED AREA, WHEN THE PUD WAS APPROVED, THE WOODED AREA REMAINED ARE ONE. THE BALANCE OF THE REAL ESTATE AS PART OF THE PUD WHICH IS, THE LAND USE MAP THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE TIME IS A MIX OF RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL. I THINK, WE CAN FOLLOW THAT AS AT LEAST THE MINIMUM GUIDE. I THINK WHERE WE DEVIATE IS INSTEAD OF R1 ZONING IT WOULD BE OPPOSED THAT IT BECOME A PUBLIC PARK. TO ME THAT IS THE BIGGEST DEVIATION.

>> IF IT IS A PUBLIC PARK EVERYBODY WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT. WE COULD ADD THAT. I DON'T THINK WHAT ANYONE WANTS TO SEE IS A SIX BUT OR SIX-STORY EIGHT STORY BUILDING TO GO THERE BUT IF IT WILL BE A PUBLIC PARK, I WOULD LOVE TO DESIGNATE THAT

AS A PUBLIC PARK. >> ARE WE GOING TO NAME IT THAT

NOW? >> IF YOU DO NOT MIND US SKIPPING AHEAD, THE PLAN DRAWN WE GET TO AT THE END, SHOWS OUR

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>> YES, WE HAVE SHARED THIS WITH THEM AS WE WERE IN DRAFT VERSION OF IT. THEY HAVE LOOKED AT IT, THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE MEETINGS FOR HOW TO BABY OUT RESPONSIBILITY. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THAT CONVERSATION AND OPENED TO THAT BEEN

DEVELOPED AS A PUBLIC SPACE. >> BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE PUD, THAT PREVENTING US FROM JUST TAKING THAT OUT?

>> BY LEAVING IT R1 RESIDENTIAL AT THE TIME IT EFFECTIVELY PULLED IT OUT OF THE PUD. THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WOULD APPLY TODAY. IF ANYTHING NEEDED TO CHANGE HER WANTED TO CHANGE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS.

>> CAN WE TAKE IT OUT? >> WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE IT IN THERE? RIGHT NOW? YOU ARE NOT GIVING ME, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IN THE SPRING MILL TO ILLINOIS SECTION. IN THIS 31

CORRIDOR. >> IF OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR OUR HOPE IS THAT IT BE DEVELOPED AS A PUBLIC PARK AND THAT BECOMES PART OF THE PLAN, IT SHOULD STAY IN HERE AS THAT.

>> TOTALLY FINE IF YOU MARK IT AS A PUBLIC PARK AND IT STAYS IN. IF IT IS MARKED AS A PUBLIC PARK, WE CAN KEEP IT IN. NOW I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I CANNOT TELL HOW MUCH THE GREEN THAT YOU ARE SHOWING, IS THAT ALL OF THE PARCEL? OR A SMALL POCKET OF THE PARK PARCEL? I CANNOT TELL ON THE MAP HOW MUCH

OF IT IS DESIGNATED AS A PARK. >> IT IS AS MUCH OR LITTLE AS

YOU WANT IT TO BE. >> THAT IS A GREAT ANSWER.

>> IT IS TOTALLY UP TO YOU GUYS. REALLY, IT IS UP TO YOU WHETHER OR NOT THAT STAYS IN. IF YOU THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA. IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT OUT ESSENTIALLY IT STAYS AS SINGLE-FAMILY

RESIDENTIAL. >> FOR CLARIFYING QUESTION, IF IT WERE KEPT IN THERE, IT COULD TECHNICALLY BE REZONED UNDER THE NEW GUIDELINES OF, JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, IF WE ARE IN THIS AREA, IT STAYS IN THERE, AND IT THEN WOULD QUALIFY FOR WHATEVER WE DECIDE. I AM STRUGGLING TONIGHT AGAIN. I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, IF WE KEPT IT IN THERE AND SUDDENLY, IT IS NOT DESIGNATED A PARK, IT COULD BE SUBJECT TO THE CHANGES WITHIN THE SUB PLAN, CORRECT? AM I MAKING SENSE?

>> YOU ARE SAYING KEEP IT IN THERE AND DEFINE IT AS A PUBLIC

PARK RIGHT NOW. >> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE

PROPOSING. >> I AM ALL FOR THAT.

>> PUBLIC PARK. YES. >> I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, THE PORTION OWNED BY IU HEALTH , KEEPING THIS WITHIN THE SUB AREA. DOES IT OPEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LARGE HIGH-RISES ALREADY EXISTING?

>> NOT IF WE DESIGNATE IT AS A PUBLIC PARK. IT COULD STILL HAPPEN. IF WE IN THE CORPORATE THE PLAN SAID THIS IS WHERE WE WANT THE PARK IT IS DESIGNATED WHERE WE SAY WE WANT THIS TO BE A CONSERVATION CORRIDOR. IF WE SAY THIS IS WHERE WE WANT A

PARK. >> I THINK YOU ARE EXPANDING.

YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THAT PARK ALL ALONG THAT ROAD AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE HAD TALKED WITH IU HEALTH ABOUT IT WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTED BY THE CURRENT PUD. WE ARE SUGGESTING THE WOODED AREA BE THE PUBLIC PARK. THAT IS WHAT IS ILLUSTRATED ON

THE MAP. >> THAT IS WHY I WAS ASKING HOW MUCH ARE YOU SHOWING. IT IS NOT AS MUCH AS WE WANT, IT IS THE PART THAT IT IS ALREADY DESIGNATED.

>> CAN YOU POINT TO IT? >> CAN YOU SEE THE CURSOR? OKAY.

THAT GREEN IS THE PARK. >> SO, IT IS JUST THE WOODED

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THAT IS NO CHANGE. >> IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

>> OKAY. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT DESIGNATING THE ENTIRE PARCEL AS A PARK. THEN I RETRACT WHAT I SAID.

>> THE REMAINING PARCEL IS PUD, RIGHT? IT ALREADY HAS ITS STANDARD SET. THEY COULD COME IN TOMORROW AND FILE A PETITION TO

DEVELOP THAT. >> YES.

>> WHETHER IT IS IN THE PLAN OR NOT, THEY COULD DO THAT OUT RIGHT. I THINK MAYBE LET'S GO BACK TO THE FIRST SECTION. I DO BELIEVE THAT IS A BIGGER DISCUSSION WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT THIS BUILDING HEIGHT DESIGNATION. MAYBE DETERMINING WHICH AREAS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU ARE ALMOST TALKING MIKE CREATING, I DO NOT WANT TO SAY ZONES BUT YOU ARE GOING TO CREATE ZONES WITH IT

COULD BE HIGHER STRUCTURES. >> I DO NOT KNOW YET, THAT IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. THIS DOES NOT SEEM LIKE AN AREA WANT AN

EIGHT STORY BUILDING. >> I AGREE.

>> IF WE COULD GO BACK, LET'S GO BACK TO THE SECOND PART OF THAT. OF SECTION 1. PLANNING SUMMARY. PAGE SIX.

>> I HAD A COMMENT BEFORE WE WENT SIDEWAYS OVER THE POTENTIAL PARK. WHICH IS GREAT. THE FEEDBACK I HAD WAS, TO ME, - - WHERE WE SHOWED A BUNCH OF CITY PROJECTS AND INTERSECTIONS AROUND THOSE TYPES OF FILAMENTS. ARE THERE OTHER CITY PROJECTS WE SHOULD SHOW IN A SOMEWHAT SIMILAR MANNER?

>> YOU MEAN THAT GIANT - - DEPARTMENT?

>> GENESIS - - I GUESS IT IS DESIGNATED OUTSIDE BUT IF THE CITY IS DOING A TRAIL SHOULD BE DESIGNATED IT AS CITY INVESTMENT

IN THIS AREA? >> WE CAN DO ANOTHER PASS AND DOUBLE CHECK THAT IF THERE ARE THINGS WORTH PULLING IN. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THE SYSTEM TO CAPTURE AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF THE MORE CATALYTIC DEVELOPMENTS THAT COULD SET THE TONE FOR WHAT THIS CORRIDOR IS HEADED. THAT IS WHY THESE ARE SPECIFICALLY MARKED BUT WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK IF THERE ARE OTHERS THAT SORT OF HELP SUPPORT THAT VISION OF WHERE THIS IS HEADED AND EXISTING INVESTMENTS.

>> TO YOUR POINT, THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL DEDICATED $14 MILLION FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE PARKS. IT MIGHT BE WORTH NOTING THAT. IT IS EARMARKED DONE. - - SPECIFICALLY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> ON THE CARMEL - - DISTRICTS IT SAYS CARMEL - - 31 AREA. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? TO THE PERSON

LOOKING AT IT? >> THEY HAVE A DEADLINE, A TIMEFRAME. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> WE INCLUDED IT AS A REFERENCE. THINKING ABOUT PUBLIC INVESTMENTS, IT IS A POLICY THAT HAS CITY BACK IN INVOLVED IN IT.

CALLING OUT THAT CITYWIDE. THE NATURE OF HAVING ABOUT HALF OF THOSE CONCENTRATED WITHIN THIS AREA WE THOUGHT WAS NOTEWORTHY.

THOUGHT OF CITY INVOLVEMENT THROUGHOUT THIS QUARTER.

>> JUST NOT SURE IF ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT THAT IS. MAYBE YOU COULD ADD A SENTENCE THAT THIS INDICATES - - WHAT YOU JUST

SAID. A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION. >> WE COULD EVEN REFERENCE THE

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MAP THE CITY HAS THAT SHONE ON. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

>> MAYBE THE SAME THING THAT HE RECOMMENDED PUTTING WHAT THIS

DOES NOT DO INTO THAT AREA. >> THIS PARTICULAR SUB AREA?

>> MAYBE I FORGOT TO READ THAT PART FOR INTRODUCTION.

>> WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THE FORMATTING IS CONSISTENT.

THAT MAKES SENSE TO INCORPORATE THAT IN THE INTRO.

>> OKAY. >> LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GOOD ON THAT ONE. LET'S GO TO PAGES EIGHT. LET'S START ON EIGHT.

LOOKS LIKE THE SUMMARY OF THE GROWTH STRATEGY SECTION.

>> FOR THE GROWTH STRATEGY, WE WANTED TO, START OFF WITH INTRO.

THE DEFINITION OF A MODERN COMPETITIVE EMPLOYMENT QUARTER HAS SHIFTED TO INCLUDE A MIX OF HOSPITALITY, TOURISM, RESIDENTIAL AND DYNAMIC PUBLIC SPACE EXPERIENCES THAT ARE WELCOMING TO RESIDENTS, GUESTS AND EMPLOYEES ALIKE. MUST BE THE STANDARD TO ATTRACT AND MAINTAIN BUSINESSES AND WORKFORCE TALENTED. EXPANDED PARKING LOTS AND INACCESSIBLE OR UNUSABLE OPEN SPACE SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF AS OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE PRODUCTIVE ASSETS FOR THE COMMUNITY. THIS PLAN MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR INTENTIONAL GROWTH AND HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THESE SIX STRATEGIES. ONE IS FOCUS ON EARLY NEEDS AND OPPORTUNITIES. PLAY BOTH OFFENSE AND DEFENSE.

PROMOTE THE NEW THEATER. AND USE FLEXIBILITY TO SUPPORT ACTIVE USES AND GREEN SPACES. PLAN FOR CONNECTIVITY AND COORDINATE

EFFORTS. >> SEEMS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD FOR ME. I GUESS AS WE DIVE INTO THIS NEXT SECTION OF PAGES NINE THROUGH 14, I DO NOT THINK WE NEED TO READ THAT LINE BY LINE THAT WOULD TAKE UP QUITE A BIT OF TIME. EVERYONE DID THEIR HOMEWORK BEFORE COMING IN HERE. I GUESS I WILL SAY, A LOT OF THIS REMINDED ME OF THE RE-VISIONING FOR THE MIDTOWN CORRIDOR. ALTHOUGH, IT HAS A LOT MORE PARKING LOTS AND A LOT OF EMPTY SPACE TIED TO BUILDINGS AND PARKING LOTS ARE BEING UTILIZED. I THINK THIS MIXES WITH THE VISION OF REPRODUCING THE PARKING LOTS. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES THERE. I APPRECIATE THIS SECTION PROBABLY THE ONE SECTION I FOCUSED ON QUITE A BIT. ONE THING I DO WANT TO FOCUS ON WAS THE EIGHT STORY AMENDMENT. I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE PLAN. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING UP TO 15 STORIES, THEORETICALLY, HYPOTHETICALLY A 15 STORY THE ELEMENT NEXT TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT THAT COULD DO. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THAT TO COMMITTEE AS A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION.

>> JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I THINK ABOUT AND CHRISTINE THIS UP THE LAST MEETING. JULY 15TH MEETING THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY OF 31 IS SUCH THAT SOME AREAS ARE REALLY LOW AND FROM 31 YOU CANNOT NECESSARILY SEE WHAT IS DOWN THERE. BETWEEN 126 AND 131ST STREET WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE. THE OLD HOME DEPOT AREA THERE. YOU CANNOT REALLY SEE IT FROM THE HIGHWAY ANYMORE I THINK WHEN WE FOCUS ON THOSE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, TO YOUR POINT OF THE ZONES, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT PERSONALLY FROM A TOPOGRAPHICAL, MAYBE I'M SAYING THIS IMPROPERLY, A BE A TOPOGRAPHICAL PLACE RATHER THAN JUST BROAD BRUSHING THE ENTIRE THING. I CAN TELL YOU NOW, AS A LEGISLATOR I PROBABLY SPEAK FOR THE MAJORITY OF MY FELLOW COUNSELORS, THERE'S NO WAY THEY WILL BE LIKE OH YEAH, WE ARE GOING TO DO 15 STORIES BUT IT UP

TO A NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THIS IS IN THE DESIGN

GUIDANCE CHAPTER. >> ARE WE JUMPING AHEAD? I JUST

REALIZE I JUMPED AHEAD. >> THEN I WILL STOP TALKING

ABOUT THAT. >> CAN YOU GIVE US A BRIEF SUMMARY OF PAGES 14 THROUGH I'M SORRY PAGES NINE THROUGH 14?

>> YES. >> NOT READING LINE BY LINE.

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>> THE JUST OF, THE FIRST STRATEGY FOCUS ON EARLY NEEDS, PAGE NINE. THIS SERVICE AS YOU DESCRIBED, LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE LOW HANGING FRUIT. WE TALK ABOUT, THERE IS SOME YOU KNOW, WE DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING UP AT THE CLAY TERRACE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. A STRONG INDICATOR FOR HAVING RESIDENTIAL BEING BROUGHT INTO WHAT HAS BEEN PRIMARILY A COMMERCIAL ONLY AREA. WE REFERENCE THAT IS A TREND THAT WE THINK IS HELPFUL TO CONSIDER FOR THE REST OF THE CORRIDOR. THEN WE GO INTO FURTHER DESCRIPTIONS AROUND SOME OF THE OTHER INDICATORS. MERIDIAN PLAZA. THEY HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN WANTING TO DO SOME OUT LOT DEVELOPMENT, THEY DO NOT NEED ALL OF THE PARKING. WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT. STILL, THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO KEEP TRYING TO MAKE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TAKE SHAPE. WE DO ALSO REFERENCE THE HEADQUARTERS RELOCATING AND THAT PARCEL BEING A KEY OPPORTUNITY AS A CONNECTOR BETWEEN 31 QUARTER AND CENTRAL CARMEL. THEN, A BIT OF ON KIND OF A SIMILAR TANGENT, WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR FLEXIBILITY AND SUPPORTING ACTIVE USES AND GREEN SPACES. IN OUR VISION OF 31, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HAVING IT BE A MIXED USE INCLUDING COMMUNITIES GREEN SPACE. A PLACE WHERE THERE ARE THINGS TO DO, WHETHER YOU ARE AN EMPLOYEE, A VISITOR, A NEARBY RESIDENT. WE WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THE ROLE THAT IT IS NOT ONLY BENEFICIAL FOR RESIDENTS THAT MAY BE LIVE WITHIN WALKING AND BIKING DISTANCE TO THIS 31 AREA. ALSO IMPORTANT FOR TALENT ATTRACTION.

WE HAVE SEEN SOME EXAMPLES WHERE, THAT INVESTING IN THOSE FLEXIBLE USES, GREEN SPACES IS SOMETHING THAT EMPLOYERS ARE SEEKING. WHEN THE IDEA OF PLAYING BOTH OFFENSE AND DEFENSE, A NOD TO WAY THE ZONING WITHIN THE DISTRICT WORKS. SOME OF THE PRIMARY PROMINENT ZONES ARE DISTRICT ZONING COMMERCIAL AND THE MERIDIAN QUARTER. WE KIND OF HIGHLIGHT WHAT THOSE DO.

I THINK ANYTHING THAT IS OWNED MC HAS HIGH STANDARDS - - OFTEN ANYTHING BEING HELD ON A C DISTRICT GETS REVIEWED THROUGH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. THERE IS A LOT OF NEGOTIATION AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY BENEFITS WITHIN DEVELOPMENTS ON THOSE ZONES. THAT GETS DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION. AND REALLY BE ZONING FOR THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS WE LATER GET TO ARE MOSTLY UPDATES TO THOSE DISTRICTS. THIS IDEA OF PLANNING FOR CONNECTIVITY IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT TRAIL ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND WAYS TO PUT THAT INTO THIS 31 QUARTER. RIGHT NOW, 31 IS NOT REALLY THOUGHT OF AS A WALKABLE OR LIKABLE AREA.

LOOKING FOR WAYS TO LEVERAGE THINGS LIKE THE 106 TRAIL. AN EAST-WEST CONNECTOR. SOMEWHERE THROUGH HERE. REALLY CRITICAL TO THE OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS THIS DISTRICT. THEN, AS NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES, THE NEW STREETS SHOULD HELP TO SUPPORT THE WALK ABILITY AND LIKABILITY. PROMOTING THE NEW NARRATIVE IS TRYING TO HELP THINK THROUGH LIKE 31, PEOPLE HAVE A STRONG PERCEPTION OF IT. THEY DRIVE THROUGH IT REALLY FAST. THEY KNOW IT AS YES, IT IS A KEY LOCATION FOR HEADQUARTERS AND OFFICES BUT, REALLY, THE VISION WE ARE DESCRIBING HERE AS BEING MUCH MORE VIBRANT AND DYNAMIC. KIND OF COMMUNITIES ORIENTED IN THE WAY THAT IT PROVIDES THINGS THAT OFFICE USERS ARE LOOKING FOR WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN HOW MOST OF THE DISTRICT IS CURRENTLY BUILT OUT. WE FELT IT IS IMPORTANT CITY LEADERS GET

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>> I REALIZED I WAS GETTING SOME OF MY SECTIONS CONFUSED WITH OTHERS. I DO HAVE ONE I WANT TO VISIT AND I WILL OPEN IT UP TO

THE COMMITTEE. >>? QUESTION. I BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE COMMISSION MEETING. HOW IT IS WRITTEN SOUNDS FINE. IT SAYS IN HERE, WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TO EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY OF SMALL-SCALE OUTLOOK DEVELOPMENT OF - - WITH COMFORTABLE OUTDOOR SEATING AND GREEN SPACE AMENITIES.

INCORPORATE MORE TREES AND VEGETATION WHERE FEASIBLE. ALL OF THAT SOUNDS GREAT. THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS, HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF THAT WORKS? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OWNERS OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS, ARE THEY RECEPTIVE TO USING THEIR PARKING LOTS, TRANSFORMING THEM? MAKING THEM MORE GREEN? DOES THAT WORK? I SAID ONE OF MY CONCERNS WAS SOMEONE WILL READ THIS AND SAY SMALL-SCALE, I WILL JUST FILL UP MY PARKING LOT WITH ANOTHER APARTMENT BUILDING. I WANT TO HEAR YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE SMALL-SCALE TYPE EXPERIMENTS THAT HAVE WORKED

SUCCESSFULLY. >> YES, ALSO WE CAN DESCRIBE SOME EXAMPLES WE HAVE SEEN. WE TALK ABOUT THIS BEING AN OPPORTUNITY TO TEST ACTIVATION CONCEPTS. WE GAVE SOME EXAMPLES YOU MENTIONED, THINKING OF THEM AS PILOT PROJECTS. USES THAT BRING PEOPLE THERE. OFTEN, WE HAVE SEEN THIS AS POP-UP MARKETS. THINGS THAT CAN BE BUILT FOR SHORT TERM. TEST OUT WHAT WORKS, WHAT DOES SHARED PARKING, HOW DO PEOPLE ACCESS.

THAT IS THE INTENTION AND THE WAY WE HAVE HOPEFULLY WRITTEN IT IS TRYING TO USE THOSE UNDERUTILIZED SPACES FOR

TEMPORARY USES. >> THANK YOU.

>> I WANT TO WANDER OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE SUB AREA PLAN. AND JUST MENTION THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTH END OF THE SUB AREA, I HOPE THAT THERE CAN BE A REVISIT WITH THE INDIANA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ON THAT OFFRAMP FROM 31 THAT CURVES AROUND AND WOULD GO INTO ST. VINCENT NORTH.

IT IS ONE LANE DESIGNATED UNTIL YOU ARE ABOUT TO GO IN THERE AND THEN THE OTHER LANE MERGES WITH IT. AS ONE WHO HAS HAD TO TRAVEL THAT MORE FREQUENTLY THAN I WOULD HAVE LIKED, I HAVE SEEN MANY MANY SLAM ON BREAK NEAR MISSES BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE THOSE TWO LANES CONVERGE. I THINK THAT WOULD JUST BE, IF THAT COULD BE WIDENED SO YOU STILL HAVE THE TWO DESIGNATED LANES COMING OFF OF 31, TO GO INTO THE ROUNDABOUT OR GO INTO ST. VINCENT, THAT WOULD BENEFIT ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO DO IN THAT AREA. NOW I WILL WANDER BACK INTO THE PLAN AND OUR SCOPE OF WORK. I'M GOING TO JUMP BACK TO THE PAGE WE WERE ON BEFORE. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST PORTION OF THE DOCUMENT THAT FOCUSES ON TRYING TO RESTRUCTURE OUR PARKING

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THIS IS OTHERWISE SUGGESTED. >> CAN YOU READ THE PART YOU ARE

REFERENCING? >> GIVE ME ONE MOMENT. HOWEVER, THERE ARE EXISTING REGULATIONS SUCH AS MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND USE REQUIREMENTS. SPECIFIC MODIFICATIONS TO SO ON AND SO FORTH. IF I AM READING CORRECTLY ALTERING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR A MUCH LESS.

>> THIS IS INTRODUCING THAT IDEA THAT RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF THESE OFFICE FORMATS HAVE, BASED ON THEIR TENDENCY AND THE PARKING IS NOT AS UNDERUTILIZED. LATER IN THE POLICY GUIDANCE, WE GET MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES. THIS IS INTRODUCING THE IDEA A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE EXPLORING THEIR ZONING PARKING REQUIREMENT WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS CREATING A LOT OF UNUSED LAND IN MANY CASES.

>> I GUESS MY FOLLOW-UP TO WHAT SAID IS I THINK WITHOUT GETTING SPECIFIC I'M SAYING THIS IS THE SOLUTION. I THINK WE NEED TO AT LEAST BE OPEN-MINDED AND CREATIVE ON WHAT WE MIGHT EXPLORE. IT WILL BE HARD TO IMPLEMENT WHAT WE SEE WITHOUT BEING OPEN TO NEW IDEAS. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO KEEP OUR MINDS

OPEN. >> NOT NECESSARILY MANDATING WITHIN THE PLAN JUST KEEP IT OPEN.

>> I DO NOT KNOW THAT IT IS ONE ANSWER THAT FITS THE ENTIRE PLAN. WE HAVE OFFICE STRUCTURES ALONG 31 AT SAY 116TH STREET. IT JUST MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL COMPARED TO PICKING AND CHOOSING I WILL SAY OFFICE BUILDING. ON THE WEST SIDE OF 31 THAT HAS I WILL SAY INDIVIDUAL SPACES THAT PEOPLE RENT. MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT EXPLORATION BASED ON BUILDING MAYBE USES THAT ARE IN THERE TODAY. A BE A DIFFERENT ANSWER IF A DIFFERENT USER SHOWS UP TOO. WE JUST NEED TO BE CREATIVE SO WE CAN CAPITALIZE UPON THE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING THAT IS

THERE TODAY. >> I CAN AGREE WITH THAT. MY QUESTION WILL BE FOR MIKE. WAS THERE A SIMILAR ALTERING A PARKING STRUCTURE WHEN WE READ IT MIDTOWN AND CITY CENTER?

>> THIS IS ONLY ADVOCATING THE CHECK CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE EVALUATING AND - - DO WORK OR DON'T WORK ARE UNDERMINED.

WE ARE PROPERTIES WE WOULD LIKE TO REDEVELOP. WE HAVE A STANDARD X NUMBER OF SPACES AND THEY ARE AFRAID TO DEVIATE FROM THAT. IN MIDTOWN, AND REALLY ANY OF THE - - PARKING MINIMUMS. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE IS NO PARKING, CLEARLY. PART OF THE NEGOTIATION. INVESTORS HAVE TO GET THROUGH THEIR INVESTMENT COMMITTEES. IF A PROJECT DOESN'T PARK ITSELF, IT PROBABLY WILL NOT GET FUNDING. MAYBE IF THE CITY CAN BE - - PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO TO DEVELOP A REDEVELOP.

>> I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. GET READY. WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CHANGES TO THE - - WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT - - CORRECT?

>> THIS DOES NOT CHANGE IT. THIS IS JUST POLICY. IF WE ARE GOING

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THAT. >> I WANTED THAT TO BE CLEAR

PROCEDURALLY. >> I GUESS I FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT, I WOULD SUPPORT BEING MORE FLEXIBLE ON PARKING FOR THIS AREA. RATHER THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY SAY IS WE WERE A X NUMBER OF SPOTS FOR THAT TYPE OF BUILDING AND SOME OF THESE MIGHT NEED MORE OR LESS PARKING. JUST BEING GENERALLY SUPPORTING

FLEXIBILITY I SUPPORT THAT. >> WE DO FLEX PARKING IN MIDTOWN. IN MOST OF OUR ZONING AND SOME OF THE REDEVELOPMENT WE

DO HAVE A LOT OF FLEX PARKING. >> WE HAVE HAD PETITIONERS COME FORWARD AND - - REQUESTING WEIMAR PARKING THEN THEY WOULD EVER NEED. THEN THERE ARE OTHER USERS WHO LIKE TO HAVE A LETTER OF PARKING. WE ARE SAYING WE DO NOT WANT THAT MUCH ASPHALT. WE WANT TREES. I THINK BEING FLEXIBLE MAKES SENSE.

>> THERE ARE EXAMPLES ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF SUCCESSFUL APPLICATIONS WHERE PARKING ELEMENTS HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED OR CHANGED TO ENCOURAGE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE USE OF OR BRINGING IN CASE STUDIES ON OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP, PARTICULARLY WITH PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE TODAY BUT ALSO WITH ANYBODY WHO QUESTIONS, WHY ARE YOU ELIMINATING THOSE TYPES OF

MINIMUMS IN THE FUTURE? >> WE ARE NOT DOING THAT TODAY.

THOSE ARE THE FOLLOWING CONVERSATIONS THAT WILL BE HAD.

THESE ARE ALL SHORT-TERM USES ON THIS PAGE.

>> IT IS TESTING CERTAIN CONCEPTS AND UTILIZING EXCESS

PARKING IN THE SHORT RUN? >> THE IDEA WITH THIS PAGE IS TO TRY IT OUT, TAKE AWAY THE PARKING AND SEA OF CHAOS ENSUES OR NOT AND LEARN FROM THAT AND MAKE DECISIONS.

>> ALSO, THIS IS ANOTHER QUESTION OUT THERE. I WILL USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE ON RANGELINE ROAD. THE OLD READERS PARKING LOT. THERE WAS AN EMPTY LOT WHERE THE - - USED TO BE AND IT IS NOW A PLACE FOR A FOOD TRUCK. IS THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT UTILIZING THE SPACE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT WILLING TO GIVE UP THEIR PARKING LOT FOR WHATEVER REASON COULD WE UTILIZE

IT IN THIS WAY. >> I THINK WE ARE SORT OF, IT KIND OF HAS TO BE, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO BE INVOLVED. THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AS PART OF THE FLEXIBILITY IS KIND OF HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK. SOME KIND OF SHORT-TERM AGREEMENT OR M.O. YOU MAYBE USED. YOU WOULD NEED THAT PROPERTY OWNER INVOLVEMENT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF OWNERS OUT THERE WANTING TO DO THIS, THEY JUST NEEDED TO BE EASIER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

>> GOING TO PAGE 11. ANYTHING STAND OUT? OR 12? WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY WITH TRAILS. ANYTHING? NOTHING? PAGE 13. PROMOTE THE NEW NARRATIVE. NO. NOW PAGE 14, COORDINATING

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>> PART OF WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED WITH THIS PLANNING PROCESS, WITH BOTH OF THEM REALLY. THE CITY IS VERY RELIANT ON PEOPLE WILLING TO - - REACHING RESIDENCE CAN BE DIFFICULT. IF THEY ARE PART OF A SUBDIVISION THAT HAS AN HOAS, THE CITY DOES TEND TO HAVE A JOE A CONTACT INFORMATION THAT CAN BE SOMETIMES HARD TO KEEP UP WITH BASED ON ANY TIME THOSE CHANGES THERE MIGHT BE A DELAY IN KNOWING WHO THE CURRENT PERSON IS. THIS IS AN EFFORT AND REMINDER THAT IS IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THOSE CONTACT LISTS AND HAVE A PROCESS. THIS RECOMMENDATION IS MOSTLY THINKING ABOUT THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE DISTRICT. AND MEETING SOME KIND OF FORMAL, QUARTERLY ROUTINE OPPORTUNITY TO TOUCH BASE. KIND OF THE CORE PURPOSE OF THIS. I THINK SECONDARY TO THAT IS, HAVING SOME WAY FOR MAKING SURE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN KEEP UP WITH ANY CHANGES RELATED TO THIS

DISTRICT. >> OKAY. A COUPLE OF THINGS.

AGAIN, GOING BACK TO FEEDBACK FROM CONSTITUENTS. THIS IS SOMETHING PROBABLY ADRIAN CAN ANSWER. THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SURROUND OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE ARE REQUIRED BY, I THINK JILL PUT IN HER LETTER TO ME, 600 FEET OR 400 FEET NEXT TO THOSE AREAS, THEY SHOULD BE NOTIFIED. IS THIS A SITUATION WITH A SUB AREA PLAN THAT THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO NOTIFY ALL OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS OF

WHAT IS HAPPENING? >> NO, THOSE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR RESULTS, DEVELOPMENT PLANS. ANYTHING THAT IS SITE SPECIFIC, PLANNING AND ZONING APPROVAL. COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND ORDINATES AMENDMENT TEXT DO NOT REQUIRE SIDE SPECIFIC WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS, PUBLIC NOTICE

REQUIREMENT. >> THANK YOU, THAT CLARIFIES THAT POINT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS. IS THERE A WAY THAT THE YARD AND COMPANY COULD POSSIBLY JUST DO A RESIDENTIAL OUTLINE OF THE AREA? THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT SURROUND THE ACTUAL CORRIDOR AREA SO THEY CAN KIND OF LOOK AT - - WELL IT IS PRINTED OR ONLINE PEOPLE CAN LOOK AND SEE THESE AREAS THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY THE NEW PLAN. IS THAT SOMETHING YARD AND

COMPANY CAN DO FOR US? >> WE CAN TAKE A LOOK. WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, I DIDN'T EXACTLY UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE QUESTION. AFTER TALKING ABOUT IT THIS EVENING AND READING THE LETTER WE RECEIVED TODAY.

>> IT IS REALLY ABOUT CLARIFYING WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ADJACENT AND WHERE THE BOUNDARIES ARE BETTER.

MAKING THE MAP A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.

>> JUST AS THE CITY COUNCIL OR AND BEING INVOLVED WITH HOAS STUFF QUITE A BIT. I AM HAPPY TO TALK TO KEVIN, WHO RUNS THE - - THE COMMUNITY NETWORK OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. AND SEE IF WE CAN MAYBE HOLD A MEETING AT SOME POINT REGARDING SOME OF THIS INFORMATION. MAYBE MAKING IT A TOPIC OF

CONVERSATION. >> I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

>> A QUARTERLY MEETING THE CITY HOLDS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PRESIDENT AND BOARD MEMBERS SO THEY CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT ISSUES ARE HAPPENING WITH THE CITY.

>> SHAME ON ME FOR NOT KNOWING.

>> CARMEL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION NETWORK.

>> EITHER ANY RESIDENTIAL IN THIS, I AM NOT REALLY CLEAR. I

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>> WE WILL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE BOUNDARIES.

>> WE WILL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK. >> TECHNICALLY, THEY WOULD BE ACROSS THE STREET. MAYBE UP OFF OF MAIN OVER THERE BY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ALL THAT AREA OVER THERE. THERE IS JUST SOME THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED. I WOULD ASK THAT TO LOOK AT THAT CLOSER.

MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT SOME WAY TO MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE THEY ARE AWARE THERE COULD BE CHANGES BECAUSE IT COULD AFFECT THEM. MIGHT AFFECT THEM FOR THE BETTER BUT COULD AFFECT THEM. I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, I AM A FAN OF KEEPING THINGS TO ONE PAGE AND MAPS BEING ON ONE PAGE BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, SINCE THE AREA IS SO ELONGATED, MAYBE MAKING THREE DIFFERENT PAGES OF THE AREA. THAT BETTER OUTLINE WHAT IS IN AND WHAT IS OUT AND IDENTIFY BOTH.

>> WE CAN ADD THAT. >> SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHERE THEY

FALL IN THIS. >> 96 TO 106 AND 106 TO 16TH.

OKAY. >> AND INCLUDE A FOOTNOTE ABOUT

THE EXIT OFF OF 31? >> YEAH.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? WE ONLY HAVE FIVE MINUTES LEFT. THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LONG DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE. MY QUESTION, DO WE DIVE INTO SECTION 3 NOW DO WE POSTPONE?

>> I THINK WE ARE AT A LOGICAL STOPPING POINT OTHERWISE WE WILL BE HERE ANOTHER COUPLE OF HOURS BECAUSE WE ARE AT THE HARD PART.

>> AGREED. THIS IS WHERE MY BRAIN GOT CONFUSED EARLY. OKAY, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD STOPPING POINT FOR TONIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. I THINK THAT WILL CONCLUDE OUR MEETING. I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO POUND FAT. I THINK WE WILL JUST CONCLUDE THE MEETING, THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING AND WE WILL SEE YOU AT THE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.