Sep 02, 2025 Carmel Plan Commission

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. >> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 2, PLAN COMMISSION COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE. WE DO NOT

[1. Docket No. PZ-2025-000168 ADLS Amend: Chatham Home Store The applicant seeks design approval for exterior building modifications. The site is located at 22 W. Main St. It is zoned B-2/Business and is located within the Old Town Overlay District within the Main Street Sub-Area. The existing building is deemed an Old Town Character Building. Filed by Daniel Crapnell of Studio M Architecture. ]

APPLICANT SEEKS APPROVAL FOR DESIGN EXTEARIER MODIFICATION.

22 WEST MAIN STREET, ZONE B2 BUSINESS IS LOCATED WITHIN OLD TOWN OVER LAY DISTRICT. EXISTING BUILDING IS DEEMED AN OLD CHARACTER BUILDING FILED BY DANIEL ABENO. WE HAVE DAN MORIATE. THANK YOU I'M DAN MORIATE DAN MORIATE ON BEHALF OF THE CHATHAM HOME STORES. THE CARMEL MUSIC STORE WILL BE HOME GOODS AND BOUTIQUE STORE THAT IS RELOCATING FROM MINNEAPOLIS. I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IN A SECOND. THIS IS THE, IF YOU REMEMBER MAIN STREET, I THINK YOU REMEMBER WHERE THE MUSIC STORE IS ON MAIN STREET. SO WE INTEND TO RELOCATE THE ENTRY DOOR TO THE WEST WINDOW TO THE EAST BAY. THE EXISTING CANOPIES WILL BE REPLACED WITH A STEEL VENT PLATE. THEY WILL BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE NEW TRIM. THE NEW STORE FRONT WINDOWS WILL BE INSTALLED ABOVE THE CANOPIES, AND THE STORE FRONT WILL BE BLACK, TRIM WILL BE INSTALLED AND PAINTED DARK GRAY AND PAINTED IN THE CURRENT EXISTING COLOR. THE GOLD WILL REMAIN THE EXISTING COLOR, THE OPENING DOOR WILL BE WOODEN WITH FINISHED GLASS. NEW SIGNAGE AND NEW LIGHTING WILL BE SUBMITTED VIA THE SIGNAGE PERMIT PROCESS BUT IN GENERAL FOR THOSE WHO REMEMBER THE OLD MUSIC STORE, YOU CAN SEE THE CANOPIES, STATUTE, OLD MUSIC STORE SIGNAGE AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR CHATHAM. THE OLD CANOPIES USED TO COVER THE TOP CLEAR STORY.

THEY WILL BE ADDING THAT BACK, PROVIDING MORE LIGHT IN THE STORE. IT IS TWO BUILDINGS BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HAS AN OLD WALL DOWN THE CENTER BUT IT HAS BEEN COMBINED INTO ONE OVER THE YEARS. AND I BELIEVE IT'S PRE1900 OR AROUND 1900 THE BUILDING WAS BUILT. SO I THINK IT WILL BE A NICE EDITION. MAIN STREET WILL BE NICE TO GET THE SIDE CLEANED UP. ACTIVE STORING THERE. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MAY

HAVE. THANK YOU, DAN. STAFF? >> THANK YOU, RACHEL KINGSLY, DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES. THIS PROJECT IS WITHIN THE MAIN TOWN OVER LAY AND IT IS A REQUIREMENT TO COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND GET APPROVAL IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS MEETING THE OVERLAY AND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY KNOWS ABOUT THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS. I THINK DAN EXPLAINED IT WELL. IT WILL BE A GREAT REMODEL OF THE EXISTING STORE FRONT AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE AND

WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMITTEE?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO DO WITH THE STATUE WHILE YOU ARE DOING THE REMODEL?

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW.

>> YOU COULD PUT IT IN MY YARD FOR SURE WE WOULD HAVE TO PROTECT IT. I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT RELOCATING IT OR ANYTHING.

I THINK -- THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE CONTRACTOR ON THAT AND TALK ABOUT THAT AND MAKE SURE IT

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STAYS PROTECTED. >> PERFECT. YOU ARE WELCOMETO PUT IT IN MY YARD WHILE YOU ARE REMODELING AND PUT IT BACK. I WAS CURIOUS WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE STATUE.

>> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. REQUIRES SOME CRAFTY PAINTING

WORK >> ANYONE ELSE, COMMENTS,

QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? >> THE STORE FRONT IS BLACK BUT THE EXHIBIT ON THE SCREEN, THE WINDOWS ARE DARK AND THE FACADE LOOKS LIGHT. AM I MISREADING? IS THERE A DIFFERENT PLAN?

>> AS FAR AS THE COLOR OF THE STORE FRONT AND THE DRAWING? IT IS INTENDED TO BE -- I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ANATIZATION PROCESS BUT IT IS A DIPPED PROCESS WHERE DARK OR BLACK AND DARK BRONZE IS ALL KIND OF A VARIABLE THING, A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN MANUFACTURERS. THE INTENT WAS TO BE A DARK BRONZE OR BLACK FINISH IN THE END. JUST VARIES FROM MANUFACTURER TO MANUFACTURER, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS

YOUR QUESTION . >> REALLY CURIOUS JUST MORE, WE HAVE BRICK REPAIR WHERE THE DOOR IS TODAY. IS THAT A PAINTED

BRICK? >> BRICK ITSELF IS, YEAH, TO MATCH. I IMAGINE THE ENTIRE FACADE WILL BE END UP BEING

PAINTED AT THE END OF THE DAY. >> I THINK THE WAY IT READS IN THE DESCRIPTION IS THAT THE BRICK AND ALL OF THE FACADE WILL BE BLACK AND THE TRIM WOULD -- THE TRIM WOULD BE INSTALLED AND

PAINTED A DARK GRAY. >> I THINK THE STORE FRONT, IS

THAT THE CONFUSING PART? >> YEAH.

>> THE STORE FRONT IS THE WINDOWS AND CONSTRUCTION AROUND

IT. >> IT DID SAY IT WOULD HAVE AORTCOAT OF PAINT WITH THE ORIGINAL COLOR THAT IS ON THE BRICK RIGHT NOW, A REFRESH, IN THE DOCKET, IT DID SAY THAT.

>> SO IS THERE A REASON YOU MOVED IT TO THE WEST SIDE, THE

DOOR? >> THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS INSIDE THE STORE. IF YOU NOTICED, ONE SIDE IS HIGHER THAN THE OTHER. WHEN MOVING THE DOOR TO THE OTHER SIDE, IT BRINGS THE DOOR TO THE LEVEL THAT THE STORE -- HARD TO DESCRIBE -- BUT THE SIDEWALK SLOPES THERE A LITTLE BIT. WE CAN MOVE THE DOOR TO THE SPOT SHOWN THERE AND HAVE IT LINEUP WITH A SIDEWALK. IF YOU LOOK NOW, THERE'S A STEP THERE. THAT WILL GO AWAY. AND THEN THEY LEVELLED THE FLOOR. WE WILL LEVEL THE FLOOR. IT WILL ALL BE THE SAME AS OPPOSED TO THE STEP THAT'S THERE NOW.

>> THANK YOU THAT ALSO MAKES IT ADA COMPLIANT AS WELL SO THANK

YOU SO MUCH. >> ANY EOTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? >> I LIKE IT. I MOVE WE APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL IN

[2. Docket No. 2025-00126 CPA: Home Place Subarea Plan – Comprehensive Plan Amendment The applicant seeks to Amend the Carmel Comprehensive Plan to incorporate a new Home Place Sub Area Plan. Filed by the Department of Community Services on behalf of the Carmel Plan Commission.]

FAVOR? >> AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

THANKS, DAN. >> UP NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS REVIEW OF THE HOME PLACE SUBAREA PLAN, OUR RESIDENTIAL CHAIR HAD A LAST MINUTE CONFLICT SO I'M JUST GOING TO FILL IN FOR HER TONIGHT AS BEST AS I CAN. SO IT IS DOCKET NUMBER 2025-00126, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO AMEND THE PLAN TO INCORPORATE A NEW HOME PLACE SUBAREA PLAN FILED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS EVENING WE WILL SPEND ONE HOUR ON THIS HOME PLACE PLAN AND WE WILL PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF THE LAST TIME.

WHEN WE ARE DONE AT AN HOUR, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MY COCHAIR ADAM WHO WILL THEN LEAD THE DISCUSSION ON U.S. 31 SUBAREA PLAN. SO ADRIAN, DO YOU -- I SEE YOU HAVE IT PULLED UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF. SO I GUESS WE WILL -- UNLESS THERE IS ANYTHING YOU WANT TO COVER FROM LAST TIME REAL QUICK BEFORE WE GO, OTHERWISE WE CAN GET IT WHEN WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS, WE WILL GET A REVISED PLAN TO REVIEW AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, GREAT. WE WILL PICK UP ON PAGE 11 WHICH IS ENHANCED THE EXPERIENCE. AT THIS STAGE, WE ARE GOING LINE BY LINE. IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND READ, NOT THAT LONG, READ THIS SECTION AND OPEN UP FOR THE

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SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT HAS BEEN MADE IN COLLEGE AVENUE AS A STREET CORRIDOR. THE WORK THAT REMAINS SHOULD FOCUS ON COMPLETING THAT PROJECT WITH PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTS AND BEAUTIFICATION WHILE SUPPORTING PROPERTY AND BUSINESS OWNER IMPROVEMENTS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO AND INTERACT WITH THE RECONSTRUCTED STREET. THE CITY LED AND PARTNER SUPPORTED ENHANCEMENTS WILL IDEALLY INCLUDE NEW SIGNAGE, PLANTING, FIXTURES, AND LIGHTING WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THESE SHOULD BE SUPPORTED BY PROPERTY OWNER LED ENHANCEMENT, INCLUDING IMPROVED FRONT PATIOS, GARDENS, AND STORE FRONTS FOR THE SIDEWALK AND STREET. THIS ZONE IMPROVEMENT IS CALLED THE FIRST 16 FEET. A NEW GRANT PROGRAM IS RECOMMENDED TO SUPPORT THE DISTRICT'S EFFORTS TO ENHANCE THIS ZONE. .

>> GREAT, THANK YOU. MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS CLARIFICATIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS SECTION? OR ANY OF THE PICTURES THAT ARE SHOWN AS WELL?

YES? >> JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER, COULD YOU JUST BRIEF EVERYBODY ON WHAT THE FIRST 16 FEET PROGRAM IS SO THAT IT IS ON THE RECORD AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS

IT. . >> YES. PHYSICALLY, I WILL POINT YOU TO THE PHOTOGRAPH HERE THAT NOT ONLY IS IT 16 FEET VERTICALLY BUT IT IS ALSO 16 FEET OUT FROM THE FRONT FACADE, THAT'S KIND OF THE NEAREST EXPERIENCE TO -- THAT YOU ARE EXPERIENCING AS A PEDESTRIAN, ESPECIALLY IN THE STORE FRONT AREA LIKE THIS. THE PROGRAM ITSELF IS OUTLINED COMPLETELY IN THE LARGER -- THIS IS HOME DOCUMENT BUT I BELIEVE IT RECOMMENDS A SERIES OF GRANTS FOR FOLKS TO ENHANCE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY SIDE FOR 16 FEET. TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, WERE THE SENTENCE IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH WHERE IT SAID CITY LED AND PARTNER ENHANCEMENTS WILL IDEALLY INCLUDE NEW SIGNAGE AND FIXTURES WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, MAYBE INSTEAD OF RIGHT OF WAY TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR TO SAY, IF WE ARE GOING TO DEFINE THE FIRST 16 FEET TO DEFINE IT AS THE FIRST 16 FEET RIGHT OF WAY. I GUESS THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WITH SO MANY REFERENCES GOING BACK TO THIS IS HOME PLACE.COM, THE BIGGER ONE, P IF THERE IS MORE LANGUAGE FROM THERE THAT WE NEED TO PULL FORWARD TO MAKE THIS READ A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE AND I WILL CONTINUE THE THEME. WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SUBAREA PLAN, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE DOCUMENT AND GET THE FULL PICTURE WITHOUT HAVING TO FLIP BACK TO ANOTHER DOCUMENT. TO THE EXTENT WE CAN PULL FORWARD ANY MORE OF THAT TO MAKE IT CLEAR ON WHT WE ARE SAYING, THAT WOULD BE

HELPFUL. ANY OTHER? ADAM? >> REAL QUICK, ARE THERE EXAMPLES OF A GRANT PROGRAM TO MODEL AFTER THE FIRST 16 FEET

INITIATIVE? >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN CARMEL.

WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM YARD AND COMPANY WITH ALL OF THEIR EXPERIENCE. GOOD AFTERNOON, JOE NIKAL WITH YARD COMPANY. SO FIRST 16 FEET EXAMPLES, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH A PROGRAM IN COMMUNITIES, THE SIMPLEST WAY TO VISUALIZE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. THE WAY WE MODELED IT ELSE WHERE, IS TO GO BEYOND WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THE PROGRAM WHICH IS ONLY DEALING WITH A FACADE OR A STORE FRONT ON A BUILDING WHEN IN REALITY, THE EXPERIENCE OF WALKING AROUND A BUILDING IS MORE THAN WHAT THE

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>> THANK YOU. JEFF? >> A QUESTION I HAD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS MORE OF A STAFF QUESTION OR REGARDING THE PLAN ITSELF. IF WE ADOPTED THIS TODAY, IT SAYS THESE SHOULD BE SUPPORTED BY PROPERTY OWNERS. IF SOMEONE SAYS THEY WANT TO REZONE OR EXPAND AN EXISTING BUSINESS OR BRING SOMETHING NEW TO THE AREA, IS IT THEY MIGHT DO IT OR THIS WILL BE REQUIRED? IS THERE SOME TIPPING POINT SO THAT WE CAN GET THESE THINGS THAT WE ARE ALL APPRECIATIVE OF? HOW DO WE MAKE THEM HAPPEN? ARE THEY LEGAL AND FINDING OR STRONGLY ENCOURAGED OR WHAT?

>> YOU ARE BLURRING THE LINES BETWEEN ZONING AND THE GRANT PROGRAM. SO IT MAY BE IN CONJUNCTION OF A BUSINESS WITH THAT BUILDING WOULD COME FORWARD WITH AN APPLICATION, MEET THE TERMS OF THE APPLICATION AND MEET THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE APPLICATION BUT IN THAT CASE, THEY ARE OPTING INTO IT.

WHERE IT LEADS INTO ZONING AND DESIGN REVIEW IS A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WHEN YOU REACH THE THRESHOLD OF INVESTMENT AMOUNT IN THE BUILDING TRIGGERS A CONFORMITY WHERE YOU HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE ZONING. IN THAT CASE, YOU WOULD BE COMPELLED, IF YOU WERE MAKING THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT TO BRING IT UP TO THE STANDARD ESTABLISHMENT .

>> CAN I FOLLOW UP WITH THAT QUESTION? WHEN I LOOK AT THE BIG PLAN AND IT REFERS TO THE PLACE BASED ORGANIZATION AND THE 106TH STREET AND COLLEGE INCORPORATED AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THEY ARE PARTNERRING WITH MAIN STREET AMERICA, CORRECT? SO THAT GRANT PROGRAM WOULD COME THROUGH THAT? I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY

HEAD AROUND THIS A LITTLE BIT. >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. IT IS ONE OF THE DETAILS WHEN WE GO FROM POLICY DIRECTION TO INFORMATION, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ESTABLISHED, WHO IS TAKING INTAKE, WHERE DOES THE FUNDING SIT, HOW DOES THE REIMBURSEMENT WORK. TO YOUR POINT AGAIN, THE BIG PLAN, NOT THE SUBAREA PLAN BUT IN THE BIG PLAN, IT TALKS ABOUT THE LEADS AND THE PARTNERS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION I'M E - SORRY IF I SAID THAT WRONG, AND THEN THE 103RD STREET COLLEGE AND THEN PARTNER WITH THE CITY FOR THE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE PIECE OF THIS. DOES THIS FALL UNDER THE SOFTWARE PIECE? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT WOULD FALL INTO THE ACTUAL SUBPLAN DOCUMENT.

>> IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTING THE GRANT PROGRAM?

>> YEAH, IF IT IS THERE, IS IT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE IN

--. >> I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT ALL DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO SAY HERE, MAKE SURE IF SOMEONE IS PICKING IT UP AND THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE ARE REFERENCING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MAKE SURE IT IS ALL IN

THERE. >> THE WAY I WOULD THINK ABOUT IT, THIS DOCUMENT IS A LIMIT TO THE COMP PLAN, SETTING THE POLICY DIRECTION TO GO AND CREATE THE FIRST 16 FEET GRANT FRAM. THE PROGRAM ITSELF, HOW IT IS CONSTRUCTED WOULD EXIST OUTSIDE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR THIS DOCUMENT. WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS A CITY, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, WE WILL GO OUT AND DO THIS IN OUR COMP PLAN. BUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS AND DETAILS OF HOW THE PROGRAM IS EXCUTED WOULD EXIST

OUTSIDE OF THIS. >> SO TAKING WHAT SHANNON SAID AND JEFF SAID, LOOKING OTHOW THIS WAS DRAFTED, NOT TO GO INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT THIS PROGRAM WOULD LOOK LIKE BUT MAYBE IT IS A STRONGER SENSE OF WE ARE GOING TO ENCOURAGE INSTEAD OF SAYING WE WANT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, HOPEFULLY WILL DO THIS BUT MAYBE WILL ENCOURAGE THE FIRST 15 FEET AND THIS IS THE DESIGN,

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MAKE SENSE? >> SURE, IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO ADD ANY PARAMETERS YOU WANT ON HOW THAT PROGRAM GETS EXCUTED AND THE WORDING. I'M JUST GOING TO REPEAT SOMETHING I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING. WE NEED TO MAKE THIS USER FRIENDLY, I.E.

PUBLIC USER FRIENDLY E. IF I'M PICKING UP A DOCKET, SHANNON ASKED A SPECIFIC QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK BUT IF I'M GOING TO PICK UP THIS DOCUMENT AND A BIG HUNK OF IT IS REFERENCING A BIGGER DOCUMENT, COULD THAT BE INCORPORATED, EVEN IF YOU DO IT AS A FOOT NOTE OR ANNAST RISK AND JUST SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH. BUT IF YOU RECOGNIZE IT AS A FOOT NOTE OR A SIDE BAR COLIC, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE SIMPLEST WAY TO DO IT. THEN YOU COULD CUT AND PASTE WITHOUT HAVING TO RESTATE OR REWORD WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE WRITTEN. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD RECOMMENDATION. WE NEED TO REMOVE REFERENCES TO ONE DOCUMENT AND PUT IF IT IS PONTIFF THAT NEEDS TO BE ABSORBED BY THIS DOCUMENT, PUT IT IN THIS DOCUMENT AND THIS OTHER DOCUMENT EXISTS. I THINK THE REASONS YOU SEE REFERENCES IN THERE IS IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BIG DOCUMENT WHICH WILL BE THEIR GUIDING NORTH STAR AND THIS WHICH IS A POLICY AMENDMENT TO A CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE CAN SORT THAT OUT AND MAKE SURE

WHERE THAT DISTINCTION IS. >> THANK YOU. I LIKE REMOVING THE REFERENCES BECAUSE IT IS HARD. WE ARE NOT REDOING IN DETAIL THE ENTIRE PLAN. WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT WHAT IS TO BE A PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

>> YEAH, REMOVING THE REFERENCES OR IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS -- WE DID THIS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE YOU TALK GENERALLY ABOUT ALL OF THE OUT REACH YOU DID AND THE PART OF DEVELOPINGIT BUT NOT WHERE IT IS REFERENCED AND IT IS ALSO A GUIDING DOCUMENT. GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE ON ENHANCED EXPERIENCE?

>> TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK PART OF THE CONFUSION IS COMING FROM THE TWO DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES. IF THE LARGER DOCUMENT IS MORE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY, THEN IT SHOULD REFERENCE WHAT WE ARE ADOPTING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND NOT VICE VERSA. I WORK IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALWAYS HEAR ARE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE TOO CUMBERSOME. I THINK BY TRYING TO ADD REFERENCES HERE THAT REFER BACK TO A DOCUMENT THAT WE ARE NOT ADOPTING IS JUST GOING TO LEAD TO FURTHER CONFUSION. I WOULD RATHER SEE THEM HERE AND THEN IF THIS IS THE WHAT I WILL CALL THE COMMUNITY'S DOCUMENT FOR 106TH AND COLLEGE, I THINK IT SHOULD

REFERENCE IT HERE . >> I THINK THAT IS A GOOD RECOMMENDATION. ONCE THIS LANDS AND THE HOME DOCUMENT GETS UPDATED TO REFLECT THE EXACT LANGUAGE THAT IS AMENDED IN THE COMP PLAN, I THINK THAT'S GOOD. I THINK IT IS WORTH NOTING THE RESPONSE, IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN EXACTLY HOW THE HOME DOCUMENT GETS RECOGNIZED BY THIS BODY OR THE COUNCIL OR CITY GENERAL IN THE AWARENESS THAT IT IS OUT THERE. THAT HASN'T BEEN FULLY

CONFIRMED. >> THAT'S A GOOD

RECOMMENDATION. >> GREAT, THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE WHICH IS ACTIVATE THE BUSINESS DISTRICT.

I WILL LET YOU GO AHEAD AND REVIEW THAT ONE. IT IS NOT THAT

LONG. >> MAKE SURE IT IS ALL IN HERE, OKAY. ACTIVATE THE BUSINESS DISTRICT, SHORT-TERM INITIATIVES. A SHORT-TERM POCKET PARK WAS CREATED ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY ON MAY, 2025 TO TEST HOW VA CANT LOT FUNCTIONS.COLLEG E INK NECESSARY TO NINE TUNE PARK MAINTENANCE AND LONGTERM FUTURE. THE PARK HAS POTENTIAL FOR FOOD TRUCK PATIO OR COLLECTION OF RETAIL SHEDS. SUPPORTING ROUTINE EVENTS IN THE DISTRICT WILL NOT ONLY BENEFIT EXISTING COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND

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>> GREAT, THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM

PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS ONE? >> ONE SUGGESTION, SINCE WE REFERENCING THE POCKET PARK MAYBE HAVING ONE OF THE PICTURES BE A PICTURE OF THAT -- WHERE THAT POCKET MARK IS ON THE MAP, THE STREET, MAYBE HAVE A PICTURE. AND THIS IS REAL IN THE WEEDS, THE LAST SENTENCE WHERE YOU SAY ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS ET CETERA WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO CELEBRATING THE COMMUNITY, MAYBE WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL PLANTING AND IMPROVEMENTS, MAYBE LOOK AT THAT WORDING AND SEE IF IT CAN BE REPHRASED PERHAPS. THOSE ARE MY ONLY TWO. ANYONE ELSE? .

>> JUST A COMMENT, AND IT DOES REFERENCE 106TH AND COLLEGE INCORPORATED WHICH IT DOESN'T ON THE PRIOR, JUST INTERESTING.

>> YPG THAT WAS ON THE LIST WHERE THEY WILL COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION, MAYBE NOT THIS MEETING BUT AT THE END WITH MORE INFORMATION ON 106TH STREET DISTRICT. GOOD CATCH. SEEING NOTHING ELSE ON THIS PARTICULAR PAGE, WE WILL MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE. INVEST IN LONGTERM VITALITY.

>> INVEST IN LONGTERM VITALITY RGS LONGTERM POSSIBILITIES, TO SUPPORT LONGTERM IDEAS, EFFORTS SHOULD FOCUS ON SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, EXPANDED FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPTIONS AND RETAIL. NEW RESIDENTIAL WILL BE NEEDED TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES.

THOUGHTFUL INFILL DEVELOPMENT ON VACANT OR UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTY SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO ENHANCE THE AREA WHILE PRESERVING ITS EXISTING CHARACTER. A PUBLIC PROCESS TO CREATE PREAPPROVED BUILDING TYPES SHOULD GUIDE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT IS APPROPRIATE IN SCALE AND CHARACTER. ROUTINE COMMUNITY EVENTS AND PROGRAMS SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE SUPPORTED TO FOSTER VIBRANCY. IMPROVING PHYSICAL SUNECTIVITY IS ALSO KEY. LEVERAGING THE NEW TRAILS TO INCREASE VISIBILITY AND ACCESS TO THE BUSINESS DISTRICT SHOULD BE A HIGH PRIORITY. FINANCIAL TOOLS LIKE THE CREATION OF TAX INCREMENT FINANCING DISTRICTS OR TIF DISTRICTS IN THE BUSINESS CORE AND AT THE FORMER ARCHERED PARK SCHOOL SITE TD HELP REINVEST GROWTH TO PUBLIC BENEFITS. A DEDICATED 106TH AND COLLEGE BUILDING IMPROVEMENT AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT FUND COULD OFFER FORGIVABLE LOANS OF UP TO $25,000 TO SUPPORT LASTING PHYSICAL UPGRADES AND ATTRACT

NEW BUSINESSES. >> THANK YOU. FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? JEFF? GO AHEAD.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNCILMEMBER MINNAAR MORE THAN ANYTHING. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FORGIVABLE LOANS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? HOW DO WE FUND THAT? DOES THE COUNCIL SUPPORT THAT? IF YOU WERE TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES, HOW DO WE PULL THAT OFF OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN A DOCUMENT

LIKE THIS? >> WELL, I HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT WITH FELLOW COUNCILERS. I HAVE SPOKEN TO COUNCILLOR GREEN QUITE A BIT BECAUSE IT IS HIS DISTRICT, MAKING SURE I GET INPUT FROM HIM AND WHAT HE HEARS FROM HIS NEIGHBORS IF I DON'T HEAR IT PERSONALLY. BUT IT IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ON MY MIND. FROM WHERE IS THIS MONEY COMING AND WHERE IS IT FUNDED? SO AS WE LOOK FORWARD AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GET INTO THE WEEDS BUT AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE BUDGET, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. HAVEN'T HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM BUT HAPPY TO DO IT AND WE CAN REVISIT THIS.

>> A GOOD QUESTION. WHEN YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, DID YOU THINK OF ANY TYPES OF GRANTS? THERE ARE A MILLION DIFFERENT TYPES OF GRANTS OUT THERE AND HOW TO SET UP GRANT PROGRAMS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT. DID YOU THINK OF ANY, TOSS

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AROUND IDEAS? >> WE HAVE HAD VARIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT POSSIBILITIES, WHETHER IT IS FUND RAISING OR IF THE CITY CONTRIBUTES ANY KIND OF FUNDING OR NOT. FOR PURPOSES OF THIS DOCUMENT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL NEEDS EXPLORATION, HAVING MENTION OF GRANTS LIKE THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL. HOWEVER, BY APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION OF THIS, IT DOES NOT PROVIDE -- THIS DOCUMENT DOES NOT PROVIDE THAT FUNDING.

WE WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY FUNDING OR PHYSICAL PLANS OR DESIGN OR ANYTHING.

THESE ARE MERELY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COULD BE EXPLORED IF

RECOMMENDED. >> ADAM?

>> JUST TO ADD ONTO THAT, AS I READ THIS, OUR DISCUSSION HERE, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER REMOVING THAT LINE FROM THE DOCUMENT AND KIND OF LEAVE THAT TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

DIRECTOR. >> I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA AND MAYBE REMOVING THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WHOLE HEARTEDLY, MAYBE LEAVING THE INFORMATION BUT TAKING OUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, I DON'T KNOW. JUST TO BE MORE GENERAL ABOUT IT.

CONSIDER BUT TAKE OUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OVER THE WHOLE SENTENCE? YEAH, ADDITIONALLY DEDICATED -- NOW YOU ARE BEING REALLY SPECIFIC WITH THE FORGIVABLE LOAN OF $25,000. I WOULD SAY MORE GENERAL . IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD COME UP WITH --.

>> I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST DELETE THE SENTENCE.

>> YEAH. THAT IS FUNCTION OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ARM OF THE

CITY IN MY OPINION. >> IF WE DON'T TAKE IT OUT, COULD WE CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING THAT COULD OFFER OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT LASTING PHYSICAL UPGRADES, TO KEEP IT VERY GENERIC OR JUST TAKE IT OUT. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY HEAD WAS GOING INITIALLY BUT AS I'M HEARING THE CONVERSATION, IF WE HAVE 106TH STREET COLLEGE BUILDING IMPROVEMENT PLAN, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT FUND, AND ALL OF THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THAT FUNDING MECHANISM WOULD FALL UNDER A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION. BUT HERE DIRECTOR,

TRYING TO GET US BACK ON TRACK. >> DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. SO IT'S OKAY FOR US TO EXPLORE THIS AS A POSSIBILITY THERE ARE CERTAINLY OTHER WAYS FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO IMPLEMENT ASPECTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NARROWLY FOCUSED ON WHETHER IT IS D.O.C.S. OR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR BUILDING SAFETY. BUT FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MAY LANDMARKS AND WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WE FUND BUT IT IS IMPLEMENTED THROUGH LANDMARKS AND THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION. SO NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT THE CRITERIA IS EXCEPT LANDMARK AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. WHETHER IT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, BUT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON WHETHER THIS PROGRAM, THIS LOAN OR GRANT OPPORTUNITY IS WORTH WHILE FOR HOME PLACE TO HELP JUMP START IT, TO HELP CONTINUE IT, IT'S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE TO HAVE IT IN A POLICY DOCUMENT. IT IS NOT AN ORDINANCE, IT'S POLICY. SO WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF BIG THINKING IN THE COMP PLAN AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

>> SO I APPRECIATE THAT. SO MAYBE JUST LOOK AT HOW IT IS WORDED. LEAVE IT IN BUT LOOK AT HOW IT IS PHRASED. MAKE SURE IT

FITS WITHIN THE PURVIEW. >> I THINK TO THE PREVIOUS POINT, JUST TO LEAVE THE CONCEPT IN THERE BUT I WOULD TAKE OUT THE AMOUNT AND FORGIVABLE AND JUST SAY COULD BE EXPLORED TO SUPPORT. THEN YOU REMOVE THE MIDDLE WORDS WITH THE AMOUNT AND

FORGIVABLE. >> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION SITE. IS THERE A SPECIFIC POLICY IN THEIR

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>> I DON'T WANT TO WORD SMITH HERE MYSELF. THE TEAM THAT IS DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING IS ALL HERE. I THINK YOUR INPUT IS HELPFUL AND WE CAN DIAL IT IN BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE. THAT IS VERY NARROW, THE FOCUS OF THE RESERVATION COMMISSION IS NARROW. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT. I HADN'T THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY UNTIL YOU SAID THAT. SO I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING YOUR INPUT IN THERE.

>> APPRECIATE IT. >> GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE? INVEST IN LONGTERM VITALITY? OKAY. WE WILL GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE,

COMMUNITY WIDE INITIATIVES. >> STANDARDS FOR NEW STREETS AND BUILDINGS. THE FIRST PARAGRAPH IS DESIGN HOME PLACE BUILDING STANDARDS. A SET OF PREAPPROVED BUILDING PLANS SHOULD BE A HIGH PRIORITY FOLLOW UP TO THE ADOPTION OF THIS PLAN. THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND CAN BE LOOKED AT AS A RELEVANT CASE STUDY. THE SOUTH BEND NEIGHBORHOOD PROVIDES HOUSING TYPES RELEVANT IN TYPE AND CHARACTER TO HOME PLACE. ADDITIONAL BUILDING PLANS THAT CATER TO VILLAGE SCALE, RETAIL, AND COMMERCIAL USES SHOULD BE INCORPORATED. ESTABLISH HOME PLACE STREET STANDARDS. TO GUIDE FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE AND FUTURE INVESTMENTS IN HOME PLACE, TWO NEW TAPEOLOGIES SHOULD BE INCORPORATED TO CARMEL'S PLAN AND OTHER REFROPOUSES. THIS WILL PROVIDE MORE WALKABLE CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT HOME PLACE OVER TIME WHILE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING STREET CHARACTER. AND THEN THE TOP GRAPHIC IS AN EXAMPLE OF PREAPPROVED BUILDING PLANS FROM SOUTH BEND, AND THEN THE TWO NEW STREET TYPOLOGIES AND HOW THEY

WOULD FUNCTION . >> THANK YOU. I WILL START WITH THE HOME PLACE BUILDING STANDARDS. I MENTIONED THIS IN THE MEETING BUT I WANTED TO REFERENCE THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND. THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF HOUSING TYPES. SOME OF THEM ARE GREAT. SOME OF THEM I DON'T THINK ARE GOING TO WORK. IF WE DO THIS, WE WILL DEVELOP OUR OWN GUIDELINES RATHER THAN USE ANOTHER CITY'S GUIDELINES. THAT SAME COMMENT GOES FURTHER TO THE PICTURE THAT IS SHOWN. THOSE ARE ARE CARRIAGE HOUSES, TAKEN FROM THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND'S CATALOG OF THINGS WE COULD BUILD. IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT IN A PICTURE, LET'S PICK THE MOST CHARMING HOUSE AND PUT IT IN THERE. I THINK WE GOT TO STRIKE THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND, MAKE IT OUR OWN. BUT ALSO, I THINK AND THIS GETS ONTO MAYBE LATER PAGES BUT IT IS MORE WHERE WOULD THESE GO. AS YOU MOVE ON THE DOCKET, IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE EXPANDING THE WIDTH OF HOME PLACE. SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CUSTOM BUILT NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU HAVE THE OLD TOWN SUNRISE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU HAVE SOME OTHERS IN THERE. NOT ALL OF THOSE WOULD WE SAY, FINE, YOU CAN TEAR DOWN THAT HOME AND BUILD SOMETHING ELSE. I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE AND WHAT DO THE HOUSING TYPES LOCK LIKE. DELETE ALL REFERENCES TO THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND AND PICK A DIFFERENT PICTURE. I WOULD OPEN THAT UP AND ANYONE ELSE HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS OR THE

STREET? YES, ADAM? >> QUESTION ABOUT THE INFOGRAPHIC ON THE LEFT. THE RED LANE, IS THAT PARKING? WHAT ARE

WE LOOKING AT THERE? >> THAT INDICATES ON STREET

PARKING. >> OKAY. JEFF MENTIONED IT COULD BE CONFUSED WITH A SPECIFIC RED LINE TRANSIT IN OUR NEIGHBORING CITY. IT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO CHANGE.

>> IT FOLLOWS THE GRAPHICS IN THE LARGER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOCUMENT. THAT RED HERE AND IN THE LARGER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN

DOCUMENT IS ON STREET PACKING. >> THANK YOU.

>> GO AHEAD. >> OKAY. BACK ON -- TWO THINGS.

ONE, I LIKE SEEING THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS AND I LIKE THE USE OR THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE LOOK AT IN FILL CATALOG HERE

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ADOPTED. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO -- I WANT TO ADD TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE TO THE EAST AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE TO THE WEST. I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE LANGUAGE IN HERE REALLY TALKS ABOUT AND REALLY HITS THAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA. I JUST THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE LANGUAGE BE STRONG, FIRM, AND UP FRONT. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE FEELS THAT STRONGLY BUT I DO.

>> ABSOLUTELY, GREAT POINT. >> I JUST GOING TO GO BACK TO JONATHAN MENTIONED, LEAVING IN SOUTH BEND, I LIKE YOUR POINT.

>> I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE THE SETTEE OF SOUTH BEND IN THERE. IT IS IN THE LARGER COMPANION DOCUMENT. IT IS MENTIONED IN THERE. THEY HAVE A LOT OF PIGTURS OF DIFFERENT HOUSES IN LARGER COMPANION DOCUMENTS. SO IT'S IN THERE. I JUST KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAVE PETITIONERS COME THROUGH HERE AND EVERYONE CAN LOOK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO FIND SUPPORT FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BUILD, I DON'T WANT TO OPEN THE DOOR OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOUSES, BUILDING THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T LOOK AT, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED. A LOT OF WHAT THE CITY OF SOUTH BEND HAS DONE, SOME OF THE DESIGNS ARE GREAT. I DON'T THINK ALL OF THEM WORK IN HOME PLACE. I THINK WE ARE MORE -- WE SET STANDARDS FOR WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE THE REFERENCE TO CITY OF SOUTH BEND OR ANY OTHER CITY IN OUR OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS FINE. I WELCOME OTHER SUGGESTIONS.

>> I WAS GOING TO ADD I SUPPORT YOUR OPINION ON THAT FRONT. AND MAYBE ONLY UNDER THE NOTION WE ADOPT A DOCUMENT WITH REFERENCE TO SOUTH BEND IF SOUTH BEND CHANGES ITS M.O. SO ETO SPEAK AND COMES UP WITH A HOUSING PRODUCT THAT WE DON'T LIKE, IF WE ARE STILL REFERENCING SOUTH BEND, PERHAPS WE CAN REPLICATE THE ELEMENTS WE LIKE SO THAT THEY ARE JUST DOVE TAILING WHAT OUR MRN IS AND WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOCK LIKE.

>> THANK YOU. JEFF MADE ONE OF THE POINTS I WAS GOING TO MAKE.

WHEN YOU REFERENCE SOMETHING AND THAT SOMETHING CHANGES, YOU MUDDY THE WATERS. I RESPECT WHAT JONATHAN STATED. I GO BACK TO MAKING DOCUMENTS USER FRIENDLY. I WOULD PREFER THAT ANY REFERENCE TO ANOTHER CITY BE REMOVED BECAUSE IT WOULD BE VERY EASY FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE NUANCES OF EVERYTHING IN THESE DOCUMENTS TO THINK, OH, THEY JUST WANT US TO BECOME ANOTHER SOUTH BEND. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING.

LET'S AVOID CONFUSION UP FRONT BY JUST REMOVING THAT AND COME UP WITH STANDARDS. IF YOU WANT TO REFERENCE THAT AS A FOOT NOTE, OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE THAT SUCH AS. THEN YOU DON'T LOSE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO INCORPORATE. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE IT AS PART OF WHAT I THINK WOULD BE EASILY CONSTRUED AS A

BLUEPRINT TO FOLLOW. >> I WOULD SECOND THAT. THE ONLY REASON I SAY THIS IS THIS IS ABOUT HOME PLACE AND CARMEL.

WHILE I AGREE WITH, I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING JONATHAN 100% BUT THIS IS ABOUT HOME PLACE. WE CAN TAKE ENOUGH GUIDANCE FROM THE EXISTING HOMES THAT ARE THERE AND COME UP WITH GOOD GUIDELINES GOING FORWARD BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE HAVE REALLY SMART PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. NOT TO IMPUGN YOU AT ALL. I WOULD JUST RATHER SEE US

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>> IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, WE ARE BY NO MEANS INTENDING TO SIGH THAT SOUTH BEND'S DESIGNS SHOULD BE ADOPTED. IT WAS MERELY A GOOD CASE STUDY WITH SOMETHING IN INDIANA, RELATIVELY CLOSE BY AND IS GRAPHICALLY WELL REPRESENTED. SO I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE COMMENTS. BUT TO CLARIFY, A GRAPHIC THAT MIGHT SHOW WHAT DESIGN STANDARDS, AN EXAMPLE OF DESIGN PREAPPROVED STANDARDS THAT IS NOT THIS ONE BUT SIMILAR COULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR THIS

PAGE POSSIBLY. YES. >> ANYTHING ELSE ON COMMUNITY WIDE INITIATIVES? SEEING NONE, MOVING ON. WE ARE NOW ON SECTION 3, DESIGNER GUIDANCE. THESE ARE A FEW BULLET POINTS. YOU CAN READ THEM ALL AT ONCE AND THEN WE WILL DISCUSS THEM.

>> TINE AND INSTALL A PERMANENT VERSION OF THE NEW POCKET PARK AT THE 106TH AND COLLEGE ROUND ABOUT, INSTALLING A SAFETY BARRIER, FOOD ACCESS, WATER CAPABILITIES, PUBLIC AMENITIES BASED ON COMMUNITY AND LOCAL BUSINESS INPUT. EXPAND THE NEW 106TH AND COLLEGE DISTRICT GRANT THROUGH ADDITIONAL PUBLIC WAY FINDING. ENSURE STREET TREE PLANTING AS PART OF THE COLLEGE AVENUE RECONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONAL LOW HEIGHT PLANTING, BICYCLE PARKING, WASTE RECEPTACLES WHERE POSSIBLE.

LIGHTING WITH EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS, NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND IN CORDINATION WITH THE URBAN FORESTRY COMMITTEE. INCORPORATE PLANTERS, WALLS, BENCHES WHERE FEASIBLE WITHIN RIGHTS OF WAY WITHIN THE 106TH AND COLLEGE BUSINESS DISTRICT. INCORPORATE BICYCLE PARKING, WAY FINDING AND SEATING IN THE PUBLIC REALM AS PART OF THE 106TH TRAIL PLANNING. .

>> THANK YOU. COMMUNITY MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YES,

JONATHAN? >> MORE OF A COMMENT THAN ANYTHING. THE POP UP PARK I'M MISSING THE REFERENCE THERE BUT THE PARK ON THE CORNER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THAT IS GOING TO BECOME A PARK LONGTERM THAT PARKS IS ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT THERE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THAT IS GOING TO BE ALONGTERM PARK, THEY NEED TO BE A PART OF

THE DESIGN PROCESS. >> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PAGE? SEE NONE, OKAY. NOW WE ARE ON POLICY GUIDANCE. WHY DON'T WE TAKE THESE -- YOU HAVE EACH OF THE POINTS BOLDED. WHY DON'T WE TAKE THEM EACH IN CHUNKS, ONE

BOLDED SECTION AT A TIME. >> SUPPORT 106TH AND COLLEGE INCORPORATED, RECOGNIZE THE NEW 106TH AND CLOEJ INCORPORATED AS A KEY HOME PLACE PARTNER, FOCUSED ON GROWTH AND VITALITY OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICT. PROVIDE 106TH AND COLLEGE INCORPORATED WITH SEED FUNDING AND ONGOING SUPPORT TO BE REVIEWED ANNUALLY THROUGH THE CITY'S BUDGET PROCESS. .

>> OKAY. I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT 106TH STREET AND COLLEGE INCORPORATED BUT ANY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR SECTION ON POLICY GUIDANCE? JONATHAN GO FIRST.

JUST AS IT COMES DOWN TO FUNDING, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THERE IS SEED FUNDING IN THERE. I UNDERSTAND THE BIG IDEA IS I SUPPORT THAT BUT I DON'T THINK PUTTING A RECOMMENDATION IN THERE THAT WE PROVIDE SEED FUNDING IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION. THIS IS DIVING INTO THE WEEDS BUT THERE ARE TWO COMMAS AFTER COLLEGE.

>> SHANNON? >> YEAH, I STRUGGLED WITH THAT AND I WAS KIND OF WONDERING WHAT THOUGHT PROCESS WAS ON THE SEED FUNDING. CAN YOU GIVE ME BACKGROUND ON THAT SO I CAN UNDERSTAND IT A BIT BETTER? I THINK THAT THOUGHT PROCESS WAS BASED ON OTHER MODEL MAIN STREET ASSOCIATIONS WHERE IF THERE IS A

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>> YEAH, I SEE YOUR POINT THERE. IT'S NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO DO IT. IT IS JUST SAYING IT IS A POSSIBILITY. .

>> CORRECT. >> IF AGAIN, IF THE BUDGET IS NOT SO TIGHT WE CAN OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL LIKE -- I HATE TO DISAGREE WITH JONATHAN AGAIN. I'M SO SORRY. I WOULD HATE TO TAKE IT OUT. IF IT'S A POSSIBILITY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT HAPPEN IF IT IS A POSSIBILITY AS THE BUDGET PERSON HERE TONIGHT. SORRY, JONATHAN.

>> AGAIN, WE WILL SEE ANOTHER DRAFT AND WE CAN REVISIT THE ISSUE WHEN WE SEE THE NEXT DRAFT. THE NEXT ONE, DO YOU WANT

ME TO TACKLE THE NEXT SECTION? >> INCORPORATE THE PROPOSED HOME PLACE STREET PLAN AND TYPOLOGIES INTO CARMEL'S STANDARDS. AMEND THE PROPOSED TYPOLOGIES MAP INTO CARMEL'S THOROUGHFARE PLAN. ADD THE TWO NEW STREET TYPOLOGIES AND NEIGHBORHOOD AND STREET DESIGNS INTO THE CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR REFERENCE AS CAPITAL PROJECTS, STREET RESURFACING AND RELEVANT STREET

INITIATIVES OCCUR. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? SO THIS IS A PROCESS ONE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE FURTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THER WILL BE MORE STEPS IN THE PROCESS. SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT

THAT FOR NOW. DEBBIE? >> I'M GOING TO GO BACK. I THINK IF UNDER THE PROVIDE 106TH AND COLLEGE WITH SEED FUNDING, IF YOU COULD JUST PUT WHEN FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT EXPECTATIONS. ADAM?

>> SO YOU WERE JUST SAYING PUT IN WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.

>> WITH THE ANTICIPATED BUDGET SHORTFALL, WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD BE DONE. IN FUTURE YEARS, IT MAY BE A GREAT POSSIBILITY AS COUNCILLOR MINNAAR SAID. SO I THINK IF YOU SAY WHEN FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, YOU HAVE LEFT THE THOUGHT IN

WITHOUT RAISING EXPECTATIONS. >> I'M GOING TO THROW OUT A SUGGESTION, THINK ABOUT IT. PROVIDE 106TH STREET AND COLLEGE WITH INITIAL SUPPORT AND ONGOING SUPPORT AS APPROPRIATE AND IF FEASIBLE TO BE REVIEWED ANNUALLY THROUGH THE CITY'S BUDGET PROCESS. OKAY. SO GOOD FOLLOW-UP. SO THAT WAS THE TYPOLOGIES. I DO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT TYPOLOGIES BUT I WILL GET TO THAT LATER WHEN WE GET TO THE MAPS. THE NEXT ONE, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE NEXT ONE, ESTABLISH NEW FUNDING

SUPPORT PROGRAMS. >> REVIEW, FORMALIZE, AND LAUNCH THE FIRST 16 FEET GRANT PROGRAM OVERVIEW PROVIDED IN THE APPENDIX. REVIEW, FORMALIZE, AND LAUNCH 106TH AND COLLEGE BUILDING IMPROVEMENT AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT FUND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. AND AGAIN, THE OVERVIEW IS PROVIDED

IN THE APPENDIX. >> OKAY. I THINK WE HAVE ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD ON THIS? NO E? THEN WE WILL GO ON THE NEXT ONE, CREATE HOME PLACE BUILDING STANDARDS. FUND AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN PROCESS THAT DELIVERS A SET OF BUILDING PLANS THAT UH-UH LINE WITH CARMEL'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND THE THIS IS HOME PLAN. THE SET OF PLAN OPTIONS SHOULD INCORPORATE PLANS FOR

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>> SO ALONG WITH WHAT I SAID BEFORE, ON THE FIRST BULLET POINT TO DELETE THE REFERENCE TO AND THIS IS HOME PLAN, SINCE THAT IS A SEPARATE DOCUMENT. AND THEN ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE PLACE TO PUT IT. I THINK REFERENCE TO MAYBE IT IS GENERAL ENOUGH WE DON'T HAVE TO. I WAS THINKING, IF WE DO THIS, PART OF DOING THE SET HOUSING PLAN, COMMERCIAL SPACE PLANS IS KNOWING WHERE THOSE WOULD FIT. SO MAYBE ADD IN A REFERENCE TO NOT ONLY THE PLANS BUT WHERE THEY -- WHAT THEY ARE FOR. THAT WOULD BE IN THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS EVENTUALLY DEVELOPED OUTSIDE OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS BUT MAYBE A REFERENCE TO NOT ONLY THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS BUT LOCATION. THAT'S MY COMMENT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? ANY OTHER? WE WILL GO TO

THE LAST ONE ON THIS PAGE. >> HOME PLACE TEXT INKREMENT FINANCE DISTRICT. COLLEGE AVENUE BETWEEN I-465 AND THE FORMERER ORCHARD PARK PROPERTY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FUTURE T.I.F.

DISTRICT OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT FUTURE HOME PLACE INVESTMENTS ALIGNED WITH THE THIS IS HOME PLAN.

>> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? >> WELL, TAKE OUT THE REFERENCE TO THIS IS THE HOME PLACE PLAN. WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF KWEZS.

COULD YOU SORT OF GIVE MORE BACKGROUND AND INCLUDING THAT THIS PROCESS DOES NOT AUTHORIZE A T.I.F. DISTRICT. THAT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS. BUT COULD YOU GIVE MORE BACKGROUND TO WHAT YOUR THOUGHT WAS OF ADDING A REFERENCE TO T.I.F. IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? BECAUSE WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF QUESTIONS

ON THAT. >> I THINK WITH REFERENCE TO THE VARIANCE FUNDING MECHANISMS, THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL DOCUMENT WHERE IF WE ARE EXPLORING THINGS RGS THIS IS WHERE WE SHOULD MENTION WHAT WE ARE EXPLORING. CERTAINLY AS YOU MENTIONED, THE DISCUSSIONS AND APPROVALS HAVE TO BE DONE VERY SPECIFICALLY AND OUTSIDE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOCUMENT, REGARDING WHAT THE CRITERIA ARE, ANY KIND OF FUNDING MECHANISM AND WHAT THE HOPE WOULD BE TO BE GAINED FROM CAPTURING THAT FUNDING.

>> THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON JUST MENTIONING IT AS AN OPTION? AND IS IT WORTH BEING MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THIS IN THE BUSINESS DISTRICT AREA? OR ANY OTHER SPECIFICS YOU CAN THINK OF SO THAT THERE IS NOT THIS IMPRESSION WE ARE TALKING

ABOUT ALL OF HOME PLACE? >> THIS MENTIONED SOUTH OF THE AREA WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. IS THERE ANY CHANCE IT SHOULD HAVE SAID 106TH STREET? AND IF NOT, MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THE GOAL OF T.I.F. DISTRICT THERE.

>> I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL FOR THE AREA NEAR 106TH STREET AS WELL AND NOT JUST 465 AND 90.

>> IS THAT CLOSER TO THE PARK WOOD OR THE NEW, WHATEVER THE

NEW DEVELOPMENT IS? >> YOU LOOK AT PAGE 3 IN THIS BOOK LET LET, THAT AREA IS NOT HIGHLIGHTED AS PART OF THE

DISTRICT. >> SO WE ARE JUST TALK ABOUT

164, 95, THAT STRETCH? >> WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE BOTH THE BUILDING DISTRICT AND AS FAR SOUTH AS PARKWAY. THOSE

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>> I THINK THE CONFUSION, CAN YOU PULL UP THE MAP HERE?

>> IT IS RIGHT AFTER THE CONTENTS.

>> INTRODUCTION. THERE IT IS. YOU CAN SEE. IT'S VERY PAINT ON THE SCREEN. IF YOU ZOOM IN, 96TH STREET IS PRETTY FAR SOUTH.

SHOWING THE DOTTED LINE. >> I'M NOT CRAZY. I'M SEEING

THAT CORRECTLY, RIGHT? >> WHERE MY MOUSE IS, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT IS 106TH. AND THIS IS COLLEGE. AND THEN SOUTH FOR 96TH STREET IS IN THE DOWNTOWN WEST AREA. WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THE WORDING BUT I BELIEVE THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN, COLLEGE AVENUE BETWEEN I-465 AND 96TH STREET, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT BUT THAT'S

NOT IN THE STUDY AREA. . >> YEAH, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THIS AND COME BACK, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, A LITTLE MORE CLARITY. ANYTHING ON THIS PAGE? THERE IS ONE MORE PAGE IN THIS SECTION AND THEN I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ADAM. MIGHT AS WELL FINISH THIS LAST ONE. HOME PLACE OVER LAY DISTRICT MODIFICATIONS.

>> EXPAND THE HOME PLACE OVERLAY TO WEST BEACH BOULEVARD TOMATCH WITH COMMUNITY BOUNDERARY. MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THE BUSINESS SECTION TO ALIGN WITH VISION AND INTENT OF THIS IS HOME PLAN.

LEVERAGE THE HOME PLACE BUILDING STANDARDS, PUBLIC PROCESS TO INFORM ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS TO GUIDE SHARED GOALS FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT. FOR EXAMPLE, GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE USES MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR CONDITIONAL APPROVAL AND COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREAS. ROAD SIDE SALES SHOULD ALSO BE DISCUSSED AS IT MAY CONTRIBUTE TO A HELPFUL RANGE OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND BUSINESS TYPES.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE ARE AT A GOOD STOPPING POINT AND WE ARE EXACTLY AT TIME. WE WILL CONCLUDE HERE AND NEXT TIME WE WILL PICK UP WITH SECTION 4, THE SUBAREA PLAN. I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO ADAM TO LEAD US ON THE DISCUSSION OF U.S. 31 SUBAREA PLAN.

>> THANK YOU. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, WE WERE PICKING UP

[3. Docket No. 2025-00125 CPA: US 31 Subarea Plan – Comprehensive Plan Amendment The applicant seeks to Amend the Carmel Comprehensive Plan to incorporate a new US 31 Corridor Sub Area Plan. Filed by the Department of Community Services on behalf of the Carmel Plan Commission.]

WALKING THROUGH THE BULLETS. >> FOR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DESIGN GUIDANCE, LET ME MOCK THIS BIGGER AND I WILL SCROLL DOWN. MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURE BETWEEN 31 AND ILLINOIS STREET TO MINIMIZE IMPACT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE. REQUIRE HIGH QUALITY HUMAN SCALED URBAN ARCHITECTURE AND SITE AND TRIAL DESIGN INCLUDING WELCOMING GROUND FLOOR DETAILS, WALKABLE BLOCKS, LANDSCAPING. INCORPORATE

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MINIMIZE USE OF HIGH WALL SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING FACING RESIDENTIAL AREAS. MAXIMIZE HEIGHTS AT ENDS OF VISTAS, SUCH AS THE CURVATURE OF 31 AND TERMINATING STREET CORRIDORS.

FOCUS DESIGN REVIEW ON CREATING A SAFE, ACTIVE, AND VIBRANT FRONTAGE ALONG PUBLIC SPACES AND STREETS. STRIVE TO PROVIDE SEEMLESS CONNECTIONS BETWEEN PROPERTIES.

>> OKAY. COMMENTS? >> FIRST THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME IN THE FIRST BULLET, THE WESTERN EDGE. CAN WE CHANGE IT JUST TO MINIMIZE IMPACT TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS? I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EAST, WEST, AND

NORTH EVEN. >> TAKE AWAY THE REFERENCE TO THE WESTERN EDGE BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT SIDE YOU ARE ON

. >> YEAH.

>> COUNCILMEMBER MINNAAR? >> YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT MOSTLY MINIMIZING THE USE OF HIGH WALL SIGNAGE FACING RESIDENTIAL AREAS. IT IS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK THAT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, TO YOUR POINT, ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO IT, WHILE I REALIZE THE CORRIDOR HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1980, THANK YOU DIRECTOR FOR TELLING ME THAT, I DIDN'T LIVE IN CARMEL AT THE TIME, THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS CAN BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE HEIGHTS OF SIGNS AND THE LIGHT POLLUTION. SO I KNOW WE ARE NOT MAKING POLICY BUT I'M REALLY GRATEFUL THAT THAT PART IS IN THERE. YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN TO SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SAW SOME OF THE LIGHT POLLUTION FROM -- I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION NAMES BUT SOME OF THE HIGHER SIGNS WITH LIGHTING, EVEN WITH ALL OF THE TREES, IT HITS THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I'M GLAD THAT'S IN THERE. THAT'S ONE COMMENT. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT AND THIS IS PROBABLY GOING A LITTLE TOO FAR AHEAD. SO IF I'M GOING TOO FAR AHEAD, YOU CAN TELL ME TO STOP. TALKING ABOUT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT SUCH AS THE CURVATURE OF 31 AND TERMINATING STREET CORRIDORS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE MORE TO ME SO THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT

MEANS? >> IT IS PROBABLY BEST IF I FIND A MAP THAT MIGHT BE -- BEAR IN MIND THAT NORTH IS TO THE LEFT ON THIS MAP BUT SOMETHING -- AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE AS YOU HEAD SOUTH ON U.S. 31, CREATING SOMETHING TO TERMINATE THAT VIEW AS YOU ARE MAKING A CURVE, SOMETHING INTERESTING . WE CALL THOSE TERMINATING VISTAS. IT CAN CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE. ONE CAN QUESTION THE SENSE OF PLACE NEEDED WHILE YOU ARE DRIVING IN A CAR BUT THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF TERMINATING A VISTA THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH. IT CAN ALSO BE AS YOU ARE ON A -- AS YOU ARE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, IF IT IS NOT A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION AND YOU HAVE A TEE THAT YOU ARE FACING WHERE THE STREET ENDS, MAKING THAT VIEW AT THE END OF THE STREET INTERESTING AND CREATING A PLACE THERE. SO THAT'S --.

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>> SO SOMETHING ON THE NORTHERN PART OF 31 WHERE IT'S THE CARMEL SIGN, PILLAR ON ONE SIDE, WESTFIELD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PILLAR,SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

>> YEAH, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU CAN REALLY SEE THAT AS YOUR -- I FORGET WHICH RAMP THAT YOU ARE DRIVING ON THAT YOU KIND OF COME AROUND THE CORNER AND THERE IT IS. NOT SO MUCH ON THE WEST FIELD SIDE SINCE IT IS SOUTH OF THE BRIDGE. RIGHT. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THERE TO CATCH YOUR VISION, WHETHER IT'S A BUILDING

OR SIGN. IT IS PLACE MAKING. >> AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T LIGHT

POLLUTE. CORRECT. >> SO FOLLOW UP ON SHANNON'S COMMENT ON LIGHTING. WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTSES, NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN WRITTEN, JUST WALKING AROUND OUR CITY. I THINK I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE THIS IN HERE THAT WE WILL TRY TO MINIMIZE THE LIGHT FACING RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I GUESS IT'S NOT JUST THE OUT DOOR SIDE BUT HOW THE BUILDING IS LIT UP FROM THE INSIDE. YEN IF THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO ADD ANOTHER SENTENCE THAT SAYS FOR THE AREAS FACING RESIDENTIAL, WE WILL BE SENSITIVE TO THE LIGHT THAT -- IT COULD BE THINGS LIKE MAKING SURE THAT INDOOR LIGHTS ARE TURNED OFF AT 9:00 OR 10:00 IF IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING. BUT MAYBE GIVING OTHER CONSIDERATION TO EVERYONE'S POINT ABOUT THE LIGHT POLLUTION GOING INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I JUST WANT TO SUPPORT SHANNON ON THAT COMMENT TOO. WE WORKED WITH A COMMUNITY WHERE THERE WAS A B2 ZONING AND CONSTRUCTION THERE THAT SURROUNDED NOTHING BUT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY LEFT ALL OF THE LIGHTS ON AT NIGHT. WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM TO TURN THE LIGHTS OFF AND ALSO HAVING DARKENING SHADES IN THE WINTER MONTHS.

>> TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER FOR ANYTHING THAT WILL BE NEXT TO

RESIDENTIAL . >> I HAD A SIMILAR THOUGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO DISCUSS IT.

WE HAVE GONE OVER THE BUILDING HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. I HAVE THOUGHT, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE IN DEVELOPMENT AND PARCELS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, HAVE A SPECIFIC HEIGHT FOR THOSE VERSUS SOMETHING THAT IS SURROUNDED BY MORE COMMERCIAL PARCELS AND HAVING A LARGER HEIGHT RESTRICTION? DOES THAT MAKE

SENSE? >> I DON'T THINK WE DIRECTLY SAY, AND MAYBE WE DONUT WANT TO PUT A SPECIFIC HEIGHT BECAUSE -- A SET HEIGHT MAYBE BUT WE WANT TO STEP IT DOWN TO RESIDENTIAL.

MAYBE WE COULD. >> TO BE NEXT TO THE HEIGHT AND

RESIDENTIAL. >> I THINK MAYBE WE CAN EXPAND ON IT BUT THE FIRST BULLET POINT IS INTENDED TO SET UP THE FRAMEWORK FOR THAT, MAINTAIN THE TRANSITION OF SCALE AND MASING OF STRUCTURES BETWEEN U.S. 31 AND ILLINOIS STREET TO MINIMIZE IMPACT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

>> I'M ANSWERING MY OWN QUESTION. TO DRILL DOWN FURTHER, NOT THAT EVERY PARCEL IS ZONED FOR THIS BUT THE UDO HAS SPECIFIC MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM HEIGHT STANDARDS FOR AREAS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. I BELIEVE THE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT PATTERN HAS GUIDANCE FOR THAT AS WELL IN THE LARGER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOCUMENT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, BEFORE WE MOVE ON? NEXT PAGE OF DESIGN GUIDANCE? FUTURE TRAIL DEVELOPMENT. ABIDE BY THE EXISTING ENHANCED MULTIUSE PATH

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AND THEN UNDER PLANNED/PROPOSED VEIL DEVELOPMENT, ABIDE BY THE EXISTING MULTIUSE PATH MINIMUM STANDARDS, INCORPORATE STEINAGE, LIGHTING, AND OTHER ELEMENTS IN ADDITION TO SEATING, AND BICYCLE PARKING AS APPROPRIATE. THERE ARE TWO GRAPHICS HERE THAT SHOW THE MULTIUSE PATH STANDARD AND A PHOTOGRAPHIC EXAMPLE AS WELL AS THE MULTIUSE PATH STANDARD AND A FUTURE TRAIL EXAMPLE. THANK YOU.

>> SORRY, I'M TALKING TO TALK TONIGHT. WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I ADDRESS ONE OF THE LETTERS THAT CAME IN.

>> THE ORDINANCE? >> YEAH. WE HAD A LETTERER FROM A GENTLEMAN FROM SPRINGFIELD THAT ASKED ABOUT THE ORDINANCE PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL THAT WILL TAKE EFFECT ON JANUARY 1 OF 2026. AND HE THOUGHT THAT A RIDER PERMIT WOULD ALLOW A STREET VENDOR, TRUCK TO BE PARKED ON THE MULTIUSE PATHS. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS WAS TO CREATE A FUNCTION WHERE IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE TO BE PENALIZED THAN GET THE PERMIT WHICH WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. WHY GET A PERMIT IF YOU GET LESS THAN A PENALTY? THAT WAS THE REASON OF DOING THIS ORDINANC AS WELL AS MAKING SURE WE RAISED OUR FEES ON THOSE PARTICULAR VIOLATIONS. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ABBEY TO EXPLAIN THE ORDINANCE SO THAT THEY KNOW THE ONLY REASON IT WAS DONE WAS TO MAKE SURE WE RECTIFIED THAT IN THE UDO -- NO IT WAS CITY CODE, SORRY. AND I SPOKE TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TODAY AND HE SAID WE DON'T GIVE PERMITS FOR THAT, THAT'S A USAGE. THEY WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THE BCA. HE HAS NEVER HEARD OF ANY TIME THEY HAVE ALLOWED THE FOOD TRUCK, MAYBE TO ENCROACH A LITTLE BUT NOT TO BE ON A MULTIUSE PATH. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT TO BED FOR THE LETTER THAT WAS SENT OUT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO OVER THE ORDINANCE BUT AM I CORRECT IN

WHAT I SAID? >> VEHICLES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE MULTIUSE PATHS UNLESS THEY GET THE PERMIT. AND LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, IF YOU WERE GOING TO PARK ON A MULTIUSE PATH, THE COST OF THE VIOLATION WAS LESS THAN A COST OF THE PERMIT SO THERE WAS NO POINT IN DOING IT. IF THE PARKING TICKET IS $10 BUT IT COSTS $20 TO PARK, YOU WOULD RATHER PAY THE TICK.

SO THAT WAS AMENDED. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE COVERED.

ANYTHING ELSE? WE WILL MOVE ON. GUIDANCE, PAGE 18.

>> THESE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE INCORPORATE THE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERISTICS LISTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. REMOVE RESTRICTIONS THAT DICTATE WHICH FLOOR A PERMITTED USE CAN BE ON. EXPAND SPECIAL USES TO INCLUDE HIGH TECH BIO RESEARCH AND PRODUCTION. SPECIFY SETBACK STANDARDS FOR PARCELS THAT HAVE TWO OR MORE STREET OR ROADWAY FRONTAGES TO ENSURE THAT ALL FOLLOW FRONT SETBACK REGULATIONS. ALLOW THE MARKET TO DETERMINE PARKING NEEDS. REDUCE OR ELIMINATE PARKING MINIMUMS WHILE CONTINUING TO MANDATE ACCESSIBLE SPACES. IF MINIMUMS

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INCORPORATE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PLAZAS, GARDENS AND TRAIL HEADS NEAR ENTRANCES NEAR HIGHWAYS. INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND PUBLIC FRONTAGES THAT SUPPORT A COMFORTABLE PEDESTRIAN AND TRAIL ENVIRONMENT SUCH AS SEATING AND LANDSCAPING. CONSIDER INCREASING THE EIGHT STORY HEIGHT MAXIMUM AT KEY INTERSECTIONS WHERE A STRUCTURE FRONTS U.S. 31 AND AN ARTERIAL STREET. REMOVE WAVER REQUIRED FOR USE OF PERMEABLE MATERIALS FOR SURFACE PARKING LOTS. DESCRIBE PREFERRED PORTIONS AND HEIGHTS FOR FACADE FEATURES TO PROMOTE HUMAN SCALED DESIGN. ENSURE GROUND FLOOR GLAZING IS TRANSPARENT AND UNCLUTTERED. RECONSIDER REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL STRUCTURES TO HAVE UPPER FLOORS DESIGNED IN SIMILAR FORMATS TO MULTISTORY OFFICE BUILDINGS IN FAVOR OF PROPORTIONS AND FEATURES SUCH AS OPERABLE WINDOWS AND SHALLOW DISTANCES FROM WINDOWS WHICH

ACCOMMODATE A BROADER OF USES. >> THANK YOU. IT'S FUNNY, THE FIRST BULLET IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING EARLIER AT DOWNTOWN WEST ELEMENT. SO BULLET ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE YEAR WE WERE CONFUSED BY. SO THAT WILL BE CORRECTED IN THE OTHER

DOCUMENT, RIGHT? >> YES.

>> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, EVERYONE?

>> JUST MAKE IT A FOOT NOTE, JUST SO IT IS CLEAR.

>> TO SHOW EVERYONE THAT IF YOU ARE ON THE LARGER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE FOUND AT CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.COM, IF YOU GO TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN SECTION OR DESCRIPTION OF ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. BUT IF YOU ZOM IN, AND I'M ON A SMALLER SCREEN RIGHT NOW. SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MAB AREA. BUT IF YOU ZOOM EN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DOWNTOWN WEST PATTERN IS LOCATED. YOU CLICK ON THE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT, IT SHOWS BLOCK SIZES, GENERAL SPACES, GENERAL USE CATEGORIES. SO JUST TO PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR

THAT. >> THERE IS A LOT IN HERE. SO I'M SURE THERE ARE MORE COMMENTS.

>> I WILL START WITH MAYBE SOME QUESTIONS. I WILL START WITH EASY ONES. REMOVE WAIVER REQUIRED FOR USE OF PERMEABLE MATERIALS FOR SURFACE PARKING LOT. I'M TRYING TO PICTURE WHAT SORT OF PARKING LOTS ARE YOU ENVISIONING IN THIS AREA? JUST GIVE ME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT ONE. WELL, REMOVE THE WAIVERER REQUIREMENT MEANS THE U.D.O. CURRENTLY SAYS IT HAS TO BE A SPECIFIC ASPHALT, AND BUILT TO A SPECIFIC CROSS SECTION AND SPECIFICATION. THIS SUGGESTS THAT WE ALLOW PERMEABLE MATERIALS. SO THAT COULD BE PERMEABLE ASPHALT. IT COULD BE SOME KIND OF PAURM PERMEABLE PAVER SYSTEM THAT COULD ALLOW A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND INTEREST IN AREAS THAT MAY NEED TO PARKING FROM TIME TO TIME BUT MAYBE THEY CAN FLEX TO SOMETHING

ELSE FROM TIME TO TIME TOO. >> OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE ASK WAS AND WHY. THAT MAKES SENSE. ONE OTHER QUESTION. LOOKING AT THE PARKING, AND I DO SUPPORT REDUCING OR ELIMINATING THESE AND THIS REDEVELOPMENT IS SO UNIQUE AND I'M NOT SURE OUR SPECIFIC STANDARDS WE HAVE IN PARKING ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT, MAYBE TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE. I

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>> THAT'S AGAIN MORE ABOUT FLEXIBILITY. IF WE ARE PRESCRIBING THESE SPECIFIC DISTANCES THAT KIND OF ALSO PRESCRIBES AN OUTCOME OF YOUR SITE PLAN. IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING AND YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE YOUR PARKING WITHIN 300 FEET OR 800 FEET, THAT KIND OF RIGHT OFF THE BAT SUGGESTS YOUR BUILDING WILL BE SURROUNDED BY PARKING AND WE ARE SUGGESTING IF WE EASE THOSE DISTANCES A BIT, THEN MAYBE WE CAN BE MORE CREATIVE WITH EITHER PROVIDING ON STREET PARKING AND A SMALLER STREET NETWORK RATHER THAN THE GIANT PARKING LOTS.

>> OKAY. I GET THAT. THAT COMBINED WITH REDUCING PARKING MECHANISMS OR BEING MORE FLEXIBLE ON PARKING MINIMUMS TO GET THE BEST DEVELOPMENT WE COULD POSSIBLY GET FOR THAT SITE. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.

>> SO CLARIFYING QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. WITH THE CHANGES IN THE PARKING RESTRICTION, WOULD THIS

REQUIRE A U.D.O. CHANGE? >> YES. AND AGAIN AS I HAVE SAID ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED IN THIS DOCUMENT, THERE WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROCESS WHERE WE WOULD DIG INTO

THE U.D.O. SPECIFICALLY. >> I JUST WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR. SO CAN YOU -- I GUESS I HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION. AND MAYBE YOU CAN WALK ME THROUGH THIS. SPECIFICALLY IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PARKING IN A BUILDING THAT IS FOUR STORIES HIGH AND LET'S SAY WE WILL PUT TOWN HOMES THERE BY REDEVELOPMENT AND THERE IS NO PARKING AROUND THAT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE SPECIFIC -- LIKE WE DO NOW, CURRENTLY. WE WOULD CHANGE THE U.D.O. POSSIBLY AND TAKE AWAY THOSE RESTRICTIONS. IS THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE

SPECIFICALLY? >> WELL, THIS SAYS REDUCE OR ELIMINATE. SO IF THERE IS STILL A DESIRE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PARKING MINIMUM, THEN WE WOULD WORK WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE PARKING MINIMUM AND THERE IS ALSO AS THINGS DEVELOP AND INTENSIFY, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR STRUCTURED PARKING. SO AGAIN, KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE DISTANCE QUESTION, YOU DON'T WANT TO ALSO HAVE A BUNCH OF LITTLE PARKING GARAGES JUST TO MEET A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT. SO WE KNOW THAT THE MARKET REQUIRES SOME LEVEL OF PARKING. WHAT T WE DON'T BELIEVE IS -- WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS WHETHER OUR U.D.O. IS OVER ZEALOUS IN THOSE REQUIREMENTS. WE WANT TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT FOR MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY.

>> THANK YOU. THE OTHER QUESTION -- OR IT IS MORE OF WALKING THROUGH IT. I THINK THERE IS SOME MISCONCEPTION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE EIGHTH STORY, INCREASING THE EIGHT STORY HEIGHT MAXIMUM. I THINK IT IS WORTH TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU MEAN AND WHY YOU MEAN IT BECAUSE I THINK THE FEAR IS YOU WILL PUT A 40 STORY BUILDING SOMEWHERE AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CLARIFY THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND.

>> YEAH. I GUESS GETTING INTO THE -- I WILL SAVE THE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS OF WHERE THE ARTERIAL STREETS ARE. BUT WE KNOW THAT IF BUILDINGS ARE SERVED BY TWO MAJOR STREETS, THEN THE LIKELIHOOD IS THAT THERE IS NOT A LOT ELSE AROUND THAT. THAT AREA COULD PROBABLY SUPPORT A LITTLE HIGHER BUILDING. BUT I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT REGARDLESS OF THIS, THE U.D.O. AND THE MC DISTRICT DOES STILL HAVE MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, HEIGHT MAXIMUMS WHEN BUILDINGS ARE ADJACENT TO

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THAT'S WHERE THE STREET TYPOLOGY SECTION AND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP COME INTO PLAY. YOU FIND THOSE

INTERSECTIONS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? I LIKE THE PARKING LOTS. IT'S GOING TO CHALLENGE US HOOSIERS TO THINK ABOUT NOT PARKING IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO WHERE WE ARE GOING INTO. ANYTHING ELSE? PRETTY MUCH WRAPS UP THIS VERSION, RIGHT? SO NEXT STEP IS PROVIDE AN UPDATED DRAFT

OR REVIEW, CORRECT? >> YOU HAVE SECTION FOUR, SUBAREA PLANS, THE DIFFERENT MAPS. .

>> OH, I'M SORRY, WE SHOULD DO THAT, THE MAPS.

>> YOU ARE TRYING TO SKIP EVERYONE'S FAVORITE PART. .

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO THE BOUNDARIES, THIS PAGE 20 JUST SIMPLY SHOWS THE BOUNDARIES AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, AGAIN, THIS BEING ORIENTED WITH NORTH BEING TO THE LEFT AND THIS BEING CRAMMED ON ONE PAGE CAN POSE DIFFICULTIES IN FIGURING OUT WHERE THE BOUNDARIES LIE. AGAIN, I WILL GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS MAP. THE BOUNDARY YOU SEE ON THIS MAP MIRRORS THE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. SO YOU CAN REALLY ZOOM IN ON HERE. IF YOU ARE QUESTIONS A SPECIFIC AREA, YOU CAN ZOOM IN AND GET DOWN TO PARCEL LINES AND BUILDING FOOTPRINTS TO SEE WHERE THAT FALLS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BOUNDARY MAP BEFORE I MOVE ONTO THE SUBAREA PLAN WITH MORE

INFORMATION ON IT? >> COULD YOU JUST ADD A COUPLE MORE SENTENCES ABOUT WHY IT'S JAGGED? SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE HOW COME IT'S NOT A SMOOTH LINE THAT DEFINES THE DISTRICT VERSUS ALL OF THE JAGGEDNESS TO IT? I THINK YOU JUST DID BUT IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT AND MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR IN THE DOCUMENT

AS YOU REVISIT IT. >> WE WILL FIGURE OUT IF THAT MAKES MORE SENSE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DOCUMENT OR HERE. WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

>> OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ON THIS MAP, PAGE 20? OKAY. SEEING NONE WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.

>> THERE IS NOTHING REALLY TO READ.

>> DO YOU WANT TO WALK US THROUGH WHAT THESE TRAILS ARE?

>> YES. STARTING WITH -- WE HAVE THE MONAN GREENWAY AND IN TERMS OF THE TRAIL SEGMENTS ON HERE, I WILL START WITH THOSE. THE MONAN IS HIGHLIGHTED AS WELL AS THE 106TH STREET CORRIDOR AS A KEY CONNECTION THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY FROM BOONE COUNTY THROUGH HAMILTON COUNTY. THAT CORRIDOR IS A GOOD CONNECTION, IMPORTANT TO THE HOME PLACE AREA AS WELL AS THE 31 AREA. MAIN STREET IS AN IMPORTANT CONNECTION. PENNSYLVANIA, ILLINOIS STREET, AS WELL AS CITY CENTER DRIVE. THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO KIND

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>> THANK YOU. REQUEST FOR A BRIDGE AS AN ARTISTIC FEATURE? NO? WE WILL SAVE THAT FOR LATER. QUESTIONS RGS COMMENTS,

CONCERNS? >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON HOW CERTAIN SITES WERE IDENTIFIED AS PRIORITY. THERE SEEM TO BE A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT ARE MISSING OFF THIS MAP, PARTICULARLY EAST OF SPRING MILL, 86, THAT IS A VACANT LOT IN THE DISTRICT. AREAS SOUTH OF 111TH BETWEEN ILLINOIS AND MERIDIAN. AND THE OTHER ONE I NOTED WAS NORTH OF MAIN STREET, KIND OF WEDGED BETWEEN ROMANS AND THE HOSPITAL. I THINK THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT COULD DESPERATELY USE SOME INVESTMENT.

SO JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT METHODOLOGY WAS USED TO IDENTIFY

THE PRIORITY SITES? >> THIS WAS A COMBINATION OF KIND OF A GENERAL PROPERTY ANALYSIS AS WELL AS DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND MANAGERS UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR BUT I DIDN'T MENTION PART OF CLAY TERRACE WAS IDENTIFIED AS WELL. THAT IS EITHER AT THE TIME CLAY TERRACE HAD A -- I'M NOT SURE THE PROGRESS OF THAT BUT AT THE TIME, THEY HAD A CONCEPT UNDER DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO ADDING ADDITIONAL PRIORITY SITES. THOSE WERE JUST THE ONES THAT KIND OF ROSE TO THE TOP OF THE DISCUSSIONS.

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>> IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THESE ARE PARKING LOT HEAVY SITES AS WELL? AS I'M LOOKING AT THESE, THESE ARE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BY

MASSIVE PARKING LOTS. . >> I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE ANALYSIS BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER SITES THAT ARE HEAVY

ENPARKING THAN THESE . >> BUT IT IS MORE COMBINED OWNERSHIP OF THE LOTS THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO STREAM THE

DEVELOPMENT? I'M JUST ASKING. >> WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND I DON'T REMEMBER ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE RAN TO LOOK AT THESE BUT IT WAS A COMBINATION OF PROPERTY ANALYSIS AND DISCUSSION.

>> WELL, I KNOW SHANNON HAS SOMETHING SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THE SAME COMMENT I THINK ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE. SO I WILL LET YOU GO FIRST. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE AREA, THE GATHERING SPACE. AS I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP, A COUPLE OF THINGS, WE'VE GOT PLANNED PROPOSED TRAILS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THAT GATHERING AREA AND THEN YOU GOT A FEATURE TRAIL THAT IS GOING TO INTERSECT THAT TRAIL . IT SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD BE LOSING A LOT OF TREES IF WE ARE PUTTING THREE DIFFERENT TRAIL SITES CONVERGING IN A LOT THAT IS JUST GREEN. I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT BECAUSE IT IS A NATURAL BUFFER BETWEEN THE SPRING MILL ROAD AND THE AREAS THERE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS WRITTEN IN STONE? I JUST CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND A BUNCH OF TRAILS GOING THROUGH A BEAUTIFUL FOREST THAT -- I DON'T KNOW. THE EXACT LOCATION OR EXECUTION OF WHERE THE TRAILS ARE BUILT DON'T HAVE TO BE -- DON'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE. IT CAN BE ON AN EDGE. PRIMARILY WOODED AREA WOULD BE THE AREA WEST OF ILLINOIS. THERE ARE SOME WOODS. YOU CAN SEE THE ILLINOIS STREET BISECTS THAT GATHERING SPACE. THE AREA THAT IS EAST OF ILLINOIS, BETWEEN ILLINOIS AND 31, WHILE THERE ARE SOME WOODS THERE, IT'S NOT ALL WOODED. SO THAT COULD BE AN IMPORTANT TO

NOT AFFECT AS MANY TREES. >> WELL, YEAH. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUFFER BETWEEN -- I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A BAD THING. THERE'S A NICE TREE BUFFER THERE REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY TREES ARE THERE OR NOT. IT'S -- YOU KNOW, IT'S AN INTERESTING PARCEL, RIGHT? IT'S A VERY INTERESTING PARCEL WITH AN INTERESTING HISTORY . I WOULD JUST HATE TO SEE IT -- I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE TREES TAKEN DOWN TO PUT A 20 FOOT WIDE WHICH -- AND JONATHAN CAN ATTEST TO THIS AS A PARKS PERSON REPRESENTATIVE, THAT IT WOULD BE A 20 FOOT WIDE PATH THROUGH NATURAL FOREST. I DON'T KNOW.

>> CAN I PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE? >> WELL, YOU CAN BUT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT SHANNON ON THIS ONE. I THINK OVER THE YEARS, THAT NICE WOODED PARCEL, PART OF THE PARCEL, OVER THE YEARS, PETITIONS HAVE COME THROUGH. WE HAVE CONSTANTLY HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS HOW IMPORTANT THAT WOODED AREA IS TO THEM. IT DOES PROVIDE A NICE BUFFER TO WHATEVER MIGHT SOME DAY GO THERE. HERE YOU ARE SHOWING A PATH THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW HOW LIKELY THAT IS. MAYBE THAT IS ON THE P.U.D. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PATH SHOWN ON THIS MAP NOT GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THAT WOODED AREA. SEE IF WE CAN MOVE THEM TO THE EDGE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE PATHS, FOR CONNECT IFT BUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO KEEP THE TREES IN TACT, I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH OF A PARCEL TO TURN THIS INTO A GRAND PARK WHERE IT IS A HUGE GATHERING

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COUNTERARGUMENT. >> I DON'T KNOW. I'M AGAINST TEARING DOWN TREES FOR TRAILS BUT I WOULD PREFER THAT TO I.U.

WITHDRAWING THIS WHOLE IDEA AND SAYING WE WILL DEVELOP IT .

>> IF WE PUT IT IN THE SUBAREA MRN PLAN THAT IT MAINTAINS A GREEN SPACE, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT -- MAYBE I'M WRONG.

HERE COMES DIRECTOR HALLUAL. I SAID SOMETHING WRONG AGAIN.

>> IT WAS SUCH FUN TALKING ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING, JUST A REMINDER, THAT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL TODAY AND COULD BE PLATTED TOMORROW. IT IS ZONED AS TWO. WE DO HAVE TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS. GOING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AS A PUBLIC PLACE, IF IT BECOMES A PUBLIC PLACE, NORMALLY PEOPLE GET INVOLVED AND IMPROVEMENTS DO OCCUR. SO TO HAVE A DESIGN SOLUTION DOWN THE ROAD THAT INCLUDES A PATH THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT, IT WOULD INVOLVE CARMEL CLAY PARKS AND RECREATION. IT IS NATURAL FOR A WOODED AREA TO EVOLVE IF IT IS GOING TO BE A PUBLIC PLACE, UNLESS WE WILL START A NEW PROGRAM OF FOREST PRESERVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS TRYING TO PROVIDE HIGH LEVEL GUIDANCE ABOUT HOW DO WE MOVE PEOPLE AND THE SUGGESTIONTO HAVE ONE PATH THROUGH A 13 ACRE WOODS THAT IS PRETTY GOOD SIZED IS REALLY -- WOULDN'T BE UNUSUAL

ON A NORMAL BASIS. >> SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU AND I TALKED A LITTLE THIS AFTERNOON. I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT IN THE EITHER AS WELL. I DID TALK TO COUNCILLOR GREEN AND HE IS ADAMANT THAT THIS STAYS SOMEWHAT NATURAL, JUST HIS --

PUTTING IT OUT THERE. >> PARK IS A VERY NATURAL PARK AND THERE ARE PATHSES THAT GETHROUGH THAT. CENTRAL PARK HAS NATURAL AREAS WITH PATHS GOING THROUGH THEM. IT IS WHEN WE ARE DESIGNING PARKS FOR PEOPLE, UNLESS YOU WANT THEM WALKING WILLY-NILLY THROUGH, THIS IS A PART THAT HAS -- I MEAN IT'S A WET AREA. IT'S KIND OF SWAMPY IN SOME PLACES. SO WE WOULD WANT TO FIND A WAY TO DIRECT PEOPLE THROUGH THAT. .

>> I DON'T WANT TO GET TICKS, I GET IT.

>> JONATHAN? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD WHAT DIRECTOR WAS SAYING. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CREATING NATURAL SPACES FOR PEOPLE TO CONNECT WITH NATURE. YOU HAVE TO GET THERE SOMEHOW. SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRAIL THROUGH THERE. BUT ALSO, ANY TIME YOU ARE GOING TO DO A TRAIL PROJECT, YOU ARE GOING TO DO A TREE STUDY. YOU ARE GOING TO DO A WETLAND STUDY.

YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT PLACING THAT IN LOCATIONS THAT WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PROPERTY OR THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OR EVEN THE ECOSYSTEM. SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF LEAVING THE TRAILS IN THERE. I THINK IT ALSO HELPS US DOWN THE ROAD IF THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN AND SAYS I WANT TO DEVELOP THIS, A SUBDIVISION PLAT, AS THE DIRECTOR STATED, THEY COULD SUBMIT A PLAT TODAY AND IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE HERE. THE REALITY IS IT IT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT FOR THIS BODY TO REJECT THAT AND SAY NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THE ZONING IS THERE. BY US HAVING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE FOR TRAILS AND MAINTAINING GREEN SPACE, THAT HELPS OUR ARGUMENT IN THE FUTURE IF A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPER WERE TO COME IN HERE.

>> GOOD POINTS. SHANNON? >> THANK YOU, JONATHAN, THAT'S REALLY GOOD INFORMATION. AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A TRAIL. I JUST WOULD HATE TO SEE FOUR DIFFERENT CONVERGING TRAILS AND CUTTING UP -- AND TO YOUR POINT, IT COULD BE REPLATTED. IT COULD.

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>> I THINK THAT'S THE POINT. LOOKING AT THIS MAP, WITH THE MANY DIFFERENT TRAILS COMING THROUGH, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WILL BE MAINTAINED AS A GREEN SPACE BUT IF -- IS THERE A WAY TO ADD MORE QUALIFIED LANGUAGE IN THERE TO KEEP IT AS NATURAL, PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE? AND IF YOU MOVE THEM TO OUTSIDE TREES? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE ALL COMING DOWN. THE DOTS ARE BIGGER THAN THE PATH WOULD BE WIDE?

>> WE WILL ADD A NOTE THAT THE PATH ISN'T TO SCALE. .

>> OKAY. AND SOME EFFORT ABOUT TREE PRESERVATION WOULD BE

GREAT. >> AND PERHAPS THE FINAL ALIGNMENT HASN'T BEEN CHOSEN. SORRY. I THINK IT IS SUCH AN INTERESTING PARCEL. WE DISCUSSED THIS TODAY. HAVING SPOKEN TO COUNCILLOR GREEN AND HIM REALLY FIGHTING FOR THAT TO STAY AS NATURAL AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE, I WOULD BE REMISIF I DID NOT EXPRESS HIS CONCERNS CONSIDERING IT IS HIS DISTRICT, NOT MINE BUT HIS. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING ALL

THAT WE ASK. >> DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING?

>> NO. MY COMMENT WAS THAT THE DOTS ARE NOT TO SCALE. THE PATH IS NOT GOING TO BE AS BIG AS THOSE DOTS.

>> THANK YOU. NOW WE ARE AT THE END OF THES DOCUMENT. SO ADRIAN,

YOU WANT TO DISCUSS NEXT STEPS? >> SO IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO SEE REVISIONS AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL ON SEPTEMBER 30, I BELIEVE WE CAN BE READY FOR THOSE. IN TIME FOR THOSE

PACKETS. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

WE WILL SEE THAT SEPTEMBER 030TH, AT THE NEXT COMMITTEE OF

THE WHOLE MEETING. >> AND SEPTEMBER 30TH IS NOT YOUR USUAL MEETING NIGHT. THAT IS THE FIFTH TUESDAY IN SEPTEMBER. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS GOING ON -- IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN RESCHEDULED BECAUSE OF FALL BREAK FOR THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER. JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT SEPTEMBER 30TH IS THE DATE ON THE CALENDAR FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THAT IS NOT THE

NOMMAL NIGHT. >> OKAY. WELL. THAT IS THE LAST ITEM OF BUSINESS TO TALK ABOUT ON THE AGENDA. SO I THINK THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING AND OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 16TH AT 6:00 P.M.. OTHER

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