[MON, SEPT 15, 2025 - BUDGET WORKSHOPS 9 AM]
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          >>> WELCOME EVERYONE, STARTING BUDGET WORKSHOPS FOR 2025 DURING THE 2026 CITY BUDGET, THERE IS A SCHEDULE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE YOU'RE AT AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON THE TIME, WE WILL TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING ON SCHEDULE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO SHUT DOWN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. ONENOTE BEFORE WE STARTED. COUNSELOR TAYLOR, WILL BE UNABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON TODAY AND TOMORROW, HE WILL BE WATCHING, BUT NOT PARTICIPATING, HE HAD A SURGERY LAST WEEK THAT HAD SOME COMPLICATIONS AND HE WAS IN THE ICU. IT WAS SCARY FOR A MINUTE BUT FORTUNATELY HE IS BACK HOME, I WENT TO VISIT HIM AT HIS HOME YESTERDAY AND HE WAS WORRIED HE THOUGHT PEOPLE THOUGHT HE SKIPPED THE MEETINGS BUT IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RICH TAYLOR IT WOULD TAKE SOMETHING THIS DRASTIC FOR HIM NOT TO BE HERE SO WE WANT TO THANK HIM FOR HIS HARD WORK HE PUT INTO THIS, WITH THAT WE WILL GET STARTED WITH THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS THE MAYOR'S OFFICE 
          BUDGET. >> GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY AND THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING REMOTELY. FIRST DEPARTMENT OVERVIEW, MOST PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OFFICE DOES BUT WE OVERSEE CITY OPERATIONS, LAWS AND POLICIES THAT REPRESENT THE CITY'S INTEREST IN A WIDE VARIETY OF PLACES AND THINGS, ENGAGE WITH RESIDENTS, VISITORS AND BUSINESSES INTERACTING WITH THE CITY FOR LOCAL STATE AND NATIONAL INITIATIVES AND ISSUES. 
          FROM A SUCCESS STANDPOINT IN 2025 WE ADVOCATED FOR THE CITY WITH STATE LEADERS AS PROPERTY TAX REFORM WAS CONSIDERED IN THE LEGISLATURE. WE ARE DEAING WITH A LOT OF THAT, WE PUT A SIGNIFICANT EMPHASI ON DEPARTMENTS ESPECIALLY MY PERSONAL TIME ADVOCATING AT THE STATEHOUSE, WE HAVE LARGE AND SMALL BUSINESSES ENGAGEMENT SPEND TIME WORKING WITH LARGER BUSINESSES AND PROMOTING SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY. WE ALSO PARTICIPATE IN REGIONAL STATEWIDE AND NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS TO ENSURE WE HAVE REGIONAL COOPERATIONS AND CARMEL VOICE AS A EDGE CITY LEADING CITY AND INDIANA CITY REPRESENTED ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE WERE SELECTED FOR A GRANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LEADERSHIP INITIATIVE, THIS HAS FIVE STAFFERS INVOLVED INCLUDING SIX INCLUDING ME AND A MONTH-LONG DEEP DATA DIVE PROJECT WHICH WILL BE EXCITING TO USE THIS FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO TALENT RETENTION AND ATTRACTION. WE ADVANCE OUR SISTER CITY INITIATIVE. DELEGATION VISITED THIS YEAR, WE RECEIVED AN AWARD FOR THE BEST SISTER CITY FOR CITIES 100,000 TO 300,020 24 ACTIVATIONS AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FRIENDS COME HERE AND THEY JUST CANCELED BECAUSE OF THE TURMOIL THAT THEIR POLITICAL SCENE IS IN SO THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO VISIT THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER, THAT HAS BEEN POSTPONED. ACTIVE WITH THE MOVE WITH THE MAYOR GOAL NATIONWIDE HEALTHY COMMUNITY INITIATIVE AND WE WERE ACTIVE AND RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF CITIES WITH THE GOAL DESIGNATION OF 120. GETTING TO THE BUDGET REQUEST, REQUESTING 1.158 GETTING TO THE BUDGET REQUEST, REQUESTING 1.15849, 11% DECREASE FROM LAST YEAR AND REFUND THREE AREAS EXTERNAL ENGAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION. FROM A PERSONNEL PERSPECTIVE, THIS 945,000 AND CHANGE REFLECTS THE MAYOR AND FOUR FTES INCLUDING CAROL AT THE FRONT DESK PRODUCING ONE FTE POSITION FROM 2025. AS FOR THE PROGRAMS, THIS IS A PRIMARY MEETING IN WHICH WE ENGAGE EXTERNALLY WITH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS, FOUR AREAS THE CARMEL FUND FUNDED 50,000 CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, PROMOTIONAL ITEMS FOR VISITORS TO BE LEGISLATIVE LUNCHEON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HONORS AND AWARDS ARE TWO AREAS THE RANGELINE PIONEER AWARD AND WE ARE DEVELOPING AN AWARD WHICH IS A PLAQUE RIGHT NOW AND WE GAVE SOME LARGER CHALLENGE COINS TO EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE CITY COMMISSION OR BOARD FOR THIS YEAR IN 2024 SO THAT WOULD CONTINUE IN THAT LINE ITEM WITH EXTERNAL HOSPITALITY. AS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION BUCKET THAT IS $146,000 608 INCLUDING ORGANIZATION MEMBER DUES LARGELY THE AIM IS A BIG PIECE OF THE ACCELERATING MUNICIPALITIES WHICH ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS PARTICIPATE IN. ALSO, THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF MAYORS IS IN 
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THERE. TRAINING AND TRAVEL FOR THE CONFERENCE OF MAYORS PIECES OR EXCUSE ME EVENTS. CONSULTING FEES OF 28,000 FOR HELP WITH STRATEGIC PLANNING CONSULTANT EXTERIOR TO FURTHER REFINE THE PLAN THAT IS UNDERWAY. OFFICE OPERATIONS ARE THE TYPICAL SUPPLY EQUIPMENT AND POSTAGE, THE AUTO LEASE PLANNING AND GASOLINE 12,050, MERGER AND FIXTURES 2000 AND STAFF CLOTHING IS 1500. IN SUMMARY YOU WILL SEE IN 2020 FOR THE SPEND WAS 4.8 MILLION INCLUDING SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS IN THE PACK OPERATIONS. 
          WE REDUCED THAT BY MOVING DOLLARS OUT TO 1.3 MILLION THIS 
          YEAR. ANY QUESTIONS? >> QUESTION FROM THE COUNCIL? I WILL START WITH A QUESTION. YOU HAVE REDUCED ONE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE IN YOUR OFFICE CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES AND HOW THEY WILL BE HANDLED MINUS THAT 
          PERSON? >> THAT IS A UTILITY ROLE THAT DOES A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS FOR THE OFFICE SO WE TALK TO THE STAFF SITTING IN MY OFFICE NOW AND CAROL AT THE FRONT DESK AND WE WILL DISTRIBUTE. BETWEEN THOSE THREE. 
          >> DEPUTIES CHIEF OF STAFF ROLE? 
          >> I FELT LIKE IF WE WOULD ASK OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS WE SHOULD START WITH MY IN FIRST. 
          >> WHAT WERE SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OR THINGS THAT 
          WERE BEING DONE? >> AGAIN A UTILITY ROLE BUT ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WAS REPAIRING FOR EXTERNAL ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES SUCH AS IF I AM PRESENTING HELPING TO WRITE NOTES HELPING TO FIGURE OUT THE LOGISTICS, HANDLING THE NEIGHBORHOOD POP-UPS. HE DOES A LOT OF CONSTITUENT WORK ON BEHALF OF THE OFFICE AND AGAIN HE IS A PLAYER IN THE NOT THE EXTERNAL EVENTS THAT THE MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS DOES BUT THE EVENTS HANDLED WITHIN A RIBBON-CUTTING AND STUFF THAT 
          THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HANDLES. >> WOULD SOME OF THAT GO OVER TO 
          MARKETING? >> WE WILL ABSORB IT IN THE 
          MAYOR'S OFFICE. >> QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN 
          MINNAAR. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. SPECIFICALLY FOR YOUR CONSULTING FEES WHAT ARE YOU USING THOSE DOLLARS FOR? 
          DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC IDEA? >> STRATEGIC PLAN ENHANCING THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND I DON'T HAVE ANYONE IDENTIFIED RIGHT 
          NOW. >> SO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ELIMINATING POSITIONS OR EXCUSE ME IS THE POSITION ACTUALLY GONE, IT WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE BUDGET OR DOES THE POSITION REMAIN AND IT IS NOT BEING FILLED? 
          >> I AM NOT FILLING IT FOR NEXT YEAR. LIKE WE TALK I THINK THEY SHOULD REMAIN ON THE LIST OF JOBS BUT WE ARE NOT BUDGETING OR 
          FILLING FOR IT. >> HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY SHOULD 
          IT REMAIN? >> WE MAY WANT TO FILL IT IN THE FUTURE, SOME OF THE DECISIONS WE ARE MAKING NOW ARE TO GET THROUGH THE ROUGH NEXT COUPLE YEARS AS WE ANTICIPATE TODAY 27 WILL BE THE WORST YEARS. WE BELIEVE THIS IS A POSITION WE NEED AS WE BELIEVE CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER AND SOMEONE WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WE NEED THOSE ROLES BUT WE ARE CHOOSING NOT TO FILL THEM OR BUDGET THEM. 
          >> OKAY. ON THE ORGANIZATION MEMBER DUES IS THAT ALL AIM OR 
          SOMETHING ELSE? >> THE CONFERENCE OF MAYORS IS 
          WHAT I SAID EARLIER. >> HOW MUCH OF THAT IS AIM? 
          >> 36,000. >> AND THE REST? 
          >> CONFERENCE OF MAYORS IS $10,715, AIM INDIANA CONFERENCE OF MAYORS IS $1000 TO ATTEND. URBAN LAND INSTITUTE $45 FEE TO GET IN FOR SOMETHING. ANTICIPATED. 
          >> THE 36,000 ALLOWS OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO PARTICIPATE ? 
          >> THIS IS THE CORPORATE MEMBERSHIP FEE. 
          >> THERE'S ALWAYS A FEE THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL. IT IS A CORPORATE MEMBERSHIP FEE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. AND I WAS JUST CARES ABOUT THE FURNITURE'S AND FIXTURES, IS THAT A PLACEHOLDER ? WE DID EVERYTHING NEW IN THE OFFICE. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU ARE STILL NEEDING WAS THAT JUST 
          A PLACEHOLDER? >> THAT IS A PLACEHOLDER IN CASE SOMETHING BREAKS. WE GET A LOT OF RECOGNITION FROM OTHER CITIES AND OTHER THINGS AND WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE MAIN ENTRYWAY FOR AWARDS AND THOSE THINGS BUT I DON'T KNOW 
          THAT WOULD COVER IT. >> GOT IT, THANK YOU. 
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          >> COUNSELOR LOCKE. >> THIS MIGHT BE MORE GLOBAL GOING INTO THE REST OF THESE AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN, BUT THE FLEET MANAGEMENT WAS A DISCUSSION AS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT CENTRALIZING FINANCE BEING ABLE TO SAVE MONEY AND OBVIOUSLY RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE WITH THE SALARY ORDINANCE, THE WAY PROCUREMENT I THINK FOR THE CPD STREETS, THERE IS A POSITION TO ADD FOR I CAN'T THINK OF THE WORD. 
          QUARTERMASTER OVERSEEING ALL OF THAT TOGETHER, WONDERING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE BUCKETS LIKE IMPROVEMENTS TO FURNITURE OR FLEET OR VEHICLE , DID WE MOVE TOWARD A CENTRALIZED PROCESS? WHY DO WE SEE THE INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS AND IS THAT MANAGEMENT OCCURRING? AND I WOULD LOVE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT GOING FORWARD IF THERE IS A WAY TO SAY THIS IS ONE VEHICLE FOR THIS PURPOSE AS WE KIND OF GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE DEPARTMENTS THAT 
          MIGHT BE HELPFUL. >> I WILL GIVE A BIG PICTURE ON HOW FLEET HAS BEEN BUDGETED. ALL MAINTENANCE COSTS HAVE BEEN MOVED FOR THE DEPARTMENTS IN CITY HALL ALL MAINTENANCE COSTS HAVE BEEN MOVED TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN THE VEHICLES. USING THE MAYOR'S VEHICLE AS AN EXAMPLE , THERE IS A LEASE PAYMENT ON THAT SO TO THE EXTENT OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE SOME SORT OF PAYMENT ON THE VEHICLE , THAT IS STILL FUNDED WITHIN THEIR BUDGET. THAT EXPENSE HAS NOT BEEN MOVED TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT. IT IS LISTED AS CLEANING. THERE IS , YOU WILL SEE CAR CLEANING POP-UP IN A LOT OF DEPARTMENT BUDGETS. 
          WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET A UNIVERSAL CONTRACT , BUT SO FAR HAVE STRUCK OUT AND WE ARE USING THREE DIFFERENT TACTICS, WHATEVER WORKS BEST FOR THE DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT IS A PUNCH CARD, UNLIMITED WASHES OR WHATEVER. THERE IS NOT ONE SIZE FITS ALL WASHING NEED BUT WE CONTINUE TO FUND THOSE UNDER INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS AND NOT MOVE , SAME THING WITH GASOLINE WHICHEVER IS USING IT BUT THE MAINTENANCE COSTS HAVE BEEN MOVED OVER TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT. 
          >> FOLLOW-UP THERE I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF A CHANGE TO THE TAKE-HOME VEHICLE PROCESS. WONDERING AS WE LOOK AT GAS AND TRACKING VEHICLES IS THAT PROCESS BEING CENTRALIZED OR CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE? USING THIS WHEN WE HAVE EXTRA TIME TO GET THROUGH THESE THINGS WHICH WILL BE APPLICABLE TO ALL THE 
          DEPARTMENTS. >> WE HAVE ROLLED OUT WHAT I AM REFERRING TO AS A DRAFT FLEET POLICY, WE WANT TO MAKE CHANGES BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE FLEXIBILITY TO REWRITE THE POLICY ON THE FLY AS WE FIND THINGS THAT DON'T WORK QUITE RIGHT. OUR LINE IN THE SAND FOR THE POLICY FOR TAKE-HOME VEHICLES WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE VEHICLE IS BEING TAKEN HOME AT LEAST 12 TIMES A QUARTER WHICH IS BASICALLY AVERAGING ONCE A WEEK. THAT IS OUR STARTING POINT FOR THE CONVERSATION AS IT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS VEHICLE TO BE -- 
          >> YOU'RE BEING CALLED OUT 12 TIMES A QUARTER OR ONCE A WEEK THAT'S THE LINE IN THE SAND FOR BUSINESS MAKES SENSE OR NOT. SO FAR THAT IS NOT A FIRM , NO DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE YET REGARDING THAT 12 CALLOUTS PER QUARTER OR AVERAGING ONCE PER WEEK. WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH PUTTING A GEO TAB GPS TECHNOLOGY ON ALL THE VEHICLES TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE AT, IDLING TIMES WE CAN MAKE SURE EMPLOYEES ARE BUCKLED UP WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY. THAT WILL HELP US IN THE COMING MONTHS MAKE BETTER DECISIONS AS FAR AS WHERE DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PULL BACK ON SOME TAKE TIME HOME VEHICLES. I HAVE OFFERED CLARITY. IF WE DO END UP CHANGING OR SOMEBODY HAS A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE TODAY AND PERHAPS NOT IN THE FUTURE THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE WOULD NEVER HAVE A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE IT WOULD NOT BE PERMANENTLY ASSIGNED. THE KNIGHTS YOUR ON-CALL HERE IS YOUR VEHICLE. 
          YOU WOULD NOT JUST HAVE IT FOR THE ENTIRE TWO-WEEK PAY PERIOD WHEN ONLY YOU GOT CALLED OUT ONCE DURING THAT TIME, WE HAVE COMMITTED IF WE MAKE A CHANGE, ANY INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE WILL BE 
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GIVEN TWO MONTHS OF HEADS UP BEFORE MAKING CHANGES THERE. I WOULD SAY NOW WE ARE IN THE DATA GATHERING AND ANALYSIS PHASE. WE HAVE NOT REDUCED ANY DEPARTMENT BUDGET BY GAS OR ANYTHING, ASSUMING WHAT THE RESULTS WILL BE. I CAN SAY WE LOOKED AT A FEW VEHICLES AT THE STREET DEPARTMENT OF WHAT IF THIS CHANGE HAPPENED AND WE SAW A 40% REDUCTION IN GASOLINE MAINTENANCE COST AS WELL AS ALMOST DOUBLING IN THE USE OF A 
          LIFE OF A VEHICLE. >> CAN YOU SEND US THE POLICY? THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE IN THIS, FOR THIS BUDGET IS THIS ONE VEHICLE OR HOW MANY ARE IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET? IS THAT A 
          TAKE-HOME VEHICLE? >> CITY CODES PROVIDE , THE CITY WILL PROVIDE THE MAYOR WITH A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE AND THAT IS 
          THE ONLY VEHICLE. >> JUST ONE VEHICLE? 
          >> CORRECT. >> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND THIS IS MORE HOLISTIC TO THE NOTES . ON THE SHEETS IF WE SEE THE NOTES NEXT TO A COLUMN, ARE WE TO PRESUME THAT IS THE FULL USE OF MONEY OR ARE THERE OTHER USES OF THOSE LINE ITEMS NOT LISTED? SO AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU GO TO THE THIRD PAGE OF THIS BUDGET WHICH IS THE MAYOR'S OFFICE GENERAL FUND ADMINISTRATIVE COST WE HAVE PROMOTIONAL FUNDS, 7500 FOR FLOWERS AND DONATION IN LIEU OF FLOWERS. IT APPEARS ON THE 2025 BUDGET, THERE WAS EXPENSES FOR LUNCH AND OTHER THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THE LINE ITEM AS WELL. IS THAT, ARE WE TO PRESUME THE NOTES ARE INCLUSIVE OR THEY'RE JUST EXAMPLES OF THINGS WE HAVE SPENT ON THOSE CATEGORIES AS WE LOOK FOR INFORMATION. 
          >> THEY WILL NOT BE ALL-INCLUSIVE. WE HAVE BUCKETS 
          OF WHAT THEY WERE. >> JUST KIND OF AN IDEA OF 
          NOTES. OKAY THANK YOU. >> COUNSELOR GREEN AND COUNSELOR 
          JOSHI. >> THANK YOU THIS SPECIFICALLY DEALS WITH THE MAYOR'S BUDGET FOLLOWING UP ON ONE OF THE EARLIER QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT CENTRALIZATION. THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND CENTRALIZATION WHICH WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LAST YEAR AS FAR AS CENTRALIZING SOME OF THE CONTRACTING AND CONTROLS. YOU KNOW JUST KIND OF LOOKING ON THE BREAKDOWN, WAS THERE SOME TYPE OF, I LOOKED IN THE PRESENTATION FROM LAST MONDAY, I DID SEE IT, BUT IT WAS A STRATEGIC PRESENTATION HIGHLIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE AGGREGATE ON TRAINING AND TRAVEL CITYWIDE BECAUSE WE WILL GO DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT, BUT SOMETIMES SHIFT ESPECIALLY WITH PERSONNEL SO IF WE COULD SEE THE OVERALL WHAT THE CITY IS SPENDING ON TRAINING AND TROUBLE THIS YEAR COMPARED TO LAST YEAR AND MAYBE THE YEAR BEFORE AND THE SAME ON FURNITURE AND FIXTURES, CLOTHING, GASOLINE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SO WE CAN SEE ACROSS THE BOARD HERE'S 
          THE IMPACT. >> WE DON'T HAVE A REPORT READY BUT WE CAN HAVE ONE READY READY FOR LATER TODAY. WE CAN HAVE 
          THAT EASILY. >> FOLLOWING UP ON THE GEO TAB TECHNOLOGY YOU MENTIONED, WHERE WILL WE FIND THAT? IS THAT BROKEN OUT INTO EACH DEPARTMENT AS WE USE IT OR IS THAT IN I.T. 
          IF IT HAS BEEN RUN BY I.T.? FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND BUDGETS I FEEL LIKE THE DEPARTMENT BUT IT SHOULD REFLECT WHAT THE DEPARTMENT DOES IN TOTAL SO IF IT BELONGS IN I.T. BECAUSE I.T. 
          IS MANAGING AND RUNNING IT FROM BEGINNING TO END THEN I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO PUT IT IN THE I.T. BUDGET BUT IF IT IS NOT BEING RUN THAT WAY, I WOULD LIKE AN EXPLANATION. 
          >> IT IS KIND OF BEING RUN THAT WAY BUT IT IS NOT I.T., IT IS THE STREET DEPARTMENT MANAGING THIS PORTION OF, IT'S KIND OF ME IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND STREET DEPARTMENT. MANAGING THE BIG PICTURE ON FLEET. THEY ARE ONE OF THE EARLY ADOPTERS OF GEO TAB AND HAVE BEEN USING IT SUCCESSFULLY FOR A FEW YEARS NOW THEY HAVE THE GARAGE CAPABILITIES THEY ARE KIND OF HELPING ME ROLL IT OUT TO ALL DEPARTMENTS WE HAVE BUDGETED THAT INCREASED EXPENSE UNDERNEATH THE STREET DEPARTMENT FOR NEXT YEAR THE COST OF GEO TAB IS $20 PER MONTH PER 
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VEHICLE. THE NICE THING IS THERE IS NOT A LONG-TERM CONTRACT PER THE DEVICE, SO ONCE WE START GETTING THIS DATA AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESULTS WILL BE BUT WE COULD HAVE UNDERUTILIZED VEHICLES , WE CAN SAY WE DON'T NEED THESE AS PART OF THE FLEET ANYMORE. WE CAN TAKE THOSE DEVICES OFF AND DISPOSE OF THOSE VEHICLES AND TURN OFF THE RECURRING CHARGE, I THINK THE GRAND TOTAL FOR ADDING THE REST OF THE VEHICLES THAT WERE NOT COVERED WAS APPROXIMATELY 40,000, BUT AGAIN THAT WAS A INCREASE INSIDE THE STREET DEPARTMENT BUDGET. 
          >> COUNCILOR SNYDER AND THEN COUNCILOR MINNAAR. 
          >> I TEND TO AGREE WITH COUNCILOR JOSHI I'M HAVING HER TIME WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND BY SOME OF THIS WOULD NOT BE I.T. 
          THAT GEO TAB DOESN'T JUST TELL YOU WHERE THE VEHICLE IS OR IT GIVES YOU TO THE METRICS AND DATA AND USAGE AND EVERYTHING? 
          >> ALL OF THAT AND MORE, THE LOCATION AND YOU CAN SET IT UP SO THERE ARE CAPABILITIES YOU COULD TRACK , BUT MAYBE WE DON'T, EVERYTHING FROM IDLING , AGAIN IF THE VEHICLE COME IF THE DRIVER IS BUCKLED IF THE , I THINK STREET DEPARTMENT THE , NOT THE SOLE TOOL THEY USE FOR SNOW ROUTES BUT IT AIDS IN THE SNOW ROUTES. IT ALSO TELLS , I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE WORD HERE . IT TELLS UTILIZATION REAL-TIME DATA IN TERMS O HOW FAST IS THIS PERSON DRIVING ON THE ROAD AND YOU CAN RUN IT, WHAT IS THE HIGHEST SPEED THAT WAS REACHED IN THE CITY ASSIGNED VEHICLE AND THE LAST DAY, LAST MONTH, LAST YEAR. THERE IS TONS OF DATA AND TONS OF WAYS TO SLICE THE DATA AND COMPARE THE 
          DATA. >> I GUESS MY OVERALL CONCERN, I THINK THERE ARE STUDIES ON IT, WHY I THINK MAYBE IT SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE IS BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO TERMINATE SOMEBODY IT'S REALLY EASY TO BE LIKE YOU'RE GOING 40 IN A 30, THERE IS CAUSE . FEELS LIKE VERY BIG BROTHER-ISH. IDLING FOR INSTANCE IT GETS PRETTY COLD HERE. I'M NOT TURNING MY CAR OFF IF I'M WORKING OUT IN 10 DEGREES HEAT. THERE'S A LOT OF DATA THAT'S USEFUL BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS REAL-TIME. IT REALLY HELPS THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE I WOULD BE NERVOUS WITH EVERYTHING I'M DOING CAUSING WORSE DRIVING ACCORDING TO FEDERAL HIGHWAY. SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. 
          >> THERE'S A LOT OF CAPABILITY WE ARE NOT TRACKING. IT IS SUPER ROBUST AND IT WILL HELP BETTER MANAGE THE FLEET AND BETTER DEFINE THAT POLICY. AS YOU ARE AWARE CITIES HAVE BEEN DOING 
          THIS. >> YOUR DEPARTMENT STANDPOINT, IF NOR WHAT I THINK ANYBODY WOULD DO THIS, IF STREET DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING AT THIS STUFF AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO SAY WE WANT THIS PERSON TO GO FIND SOME SORT OF CAUSE THAN IT IS REALLY EASY , LOW HANGING FRUIT. JUST MY THOUGHTS. TALK ABOUT TRYING TO DO A MASTER, LOOKING FOR A MASTER FLEET LEASE TRYING TO FIND SOMEBODY TO DO, I GUESS , SALES TAX WE DON'T GET, RIGHT? WE DO NOT SEE ANY OF THAT OTHER THAN HOW IT MAY OR MAY NOT CONTRIBUTE. I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM AND I HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT OTHER THINGS. MAYBE THERE'S A FEW SENT AND SAVINGS BUT IF THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE WEALTH AMONGST LOCAL BUSINESSES I DO NOT SEE THAT AS A BAD THING EITHER AND IF IT IS KEEPING PEOPLE EMPLOYED THEN LOCAL INCOME TAX DOES COME BACK TO US. JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND ON THE INDIVIDUAL AND THIS WOULD BE A PREVAILING QUESTION FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT SO JUST A HEADS UP. THE INDIVIDUAL THAT NO LONGER HAS OR WILL NOT BE IN THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR, AND YOU SAY HE IS A UTILITY GUY AND HE DOES ALL OF THIS. IF HE WAS PRODUCTIVE, 
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IF HE WAS AN ASSET THEN IT SEEMS LIKE I APPRECIATE YOU OFFERING UP EMPLOYEE IN YOUR BUDGET SETTING AN EXAMPLE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE STARTED A TREND WHERE THEY DO NEED THESE PEOPLE, MAYBE NOT LETTING SOMEBODY GO AND HAVING THE POSITION TO UNDERSTAND THE FINITE GUARDRAILS WITH DOLLARS. BUT IF IT IS NEEDED AND IMPORTANT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN OTHER THINGS WITHIN THE WHOLE BUDGET SO IS THAT A POSITION THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO WITHOUT I GUESS IS THE ULTIMATE QUESTION? 
          >> THESE ARE THE REALLY A REALITIES WE HAVE WITH CA 1. WE ARE TRYING TO MINIMIZE IMPACT ACROSS THE CITY THE BEST WE CAN BY KEEPING PRIORITY STRONG. THAT WAS NOT AN EASY DECISION BY ANY MEANS READY TO HAVE FOR THE CONVERSATION OFF-LINE BECAUSE IT IS A PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED. 
          >> WE WILL DO COUNCILOR MINNAAR AND COUNCILOR GREEN, IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS THINK OF THEM NOW BECAUSE WE WILL MOVE ON IN A 
          MINUTE. >> I WANT TO DRILL DOWN ON THE GEO TAB SO I TALKED WITH COMMISSIONER AND THEY BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, ALL THE DATA COLLECTION WILL HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND WHAT TIME? HOW LONG ARE WE GOING? 
          >> WE ARE INSTALLING THESE DEVICES ACROSS DEPARTMENTS RIGHT NOW. I DON'T SEE US TAKING THEM OFF, WE PUT THEM ON AND WE CONTINUE INITIALLY WE USE THEM TO REFORM AND UPDATE THIS DRAFT FLEET MANAGEMENT POLICY TO HELP US SET WITH THOSE PERMANENTLY ASSIGNED TAKE-HOME VEHICLE WHAT THE POLICY OUGHT TO BE IS THE 12 THE RIGHT NUMBER, DO WE SEE OTHER TRENDS THAT SUGGESTED 10 OR 14 THERE NEEDS TO BE A DIFFERENT THOUGHT AS OPPOSED TO A NUMBER BUT ULTIMATELY WE WOULD MAKE SOME CHANGES BASED UPON THE DATA AND THE ANALYSIS OF THE DATA BUT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO KEEP IT ON OUR VEHICLES. BECAUSE IT WILL HELP US BETTER MANAGE 
          OUR COST ONGOING. >> ARE YOU LEANING ON THE COMMISSIONER BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE IS IT HIS DEPARTMENT THAT WILL ANALYZE THESE I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING HIS DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR SO LONG AND MAKES SENSE THEY WOULD TRACK THE INFORMATION AND REPORT BACK TO YOU AND HAVE A DRAFT THE POLICY WITH OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS I'M ASSUMING? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE. 
          >> YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN HALF OF DEPARTMENTS HAVE AT LEAST ONE VEHICLE. WHICH I DO HAVE THEM AT THE TABLE AS OUR DEPARTMENT AND FINANCE AND STREET WORK TOGETHER ON A DRAFT TO ROLL IT OUT AND WE BEEN GETTING THEM UP TO SPEED, AND HERE ARE THE CONCERNS WE HAVE WORKED AND THINGS LIKE THAT , BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT I SEE IS THAT WILL HELP MANAGE FROM THE STREET DEPARTMENT WILL HELP MANAGE FROM THE MAINTENANCE SIDE. ARE WE TAKING CARE OF ALL VEHICLES? ARE WE WERE REPLACING THEM ACCORDING TO POLICY? FOR ME IT'S MORE OF OKAY, ASSUMING THEY HAVE THAT PART RIGHT HOW DO WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR MAINTENANCE COST , THE REPLACEMENT OF VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY ARE DOING MOST OF THE WORK , WHAT SHOULD 
          THE NUMBERS BE IN THE BUDGET? >> YOU WILL DRAFT THE POLICY? 
          >> WITH THEM. IT IS PRIMARILY MINE, BUT IT IS A COMMITTEE. 
          >> THIS WILL BE OUR LAST QUESTION THEN WE WILL MOVE ON. 
          >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, THIS MIGHT NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THE STREET DEPARTMENT MY CONCERN WAS ABOUT THE VEHICLES, IS THIS A INCENTIVE FOR THE EMPLOYEES WHEN THEY TAKE ON THE VEHICLES? WILL REMOVING THAT , WILL THERE BE ANOTHER INCENTIVE OR PAY INCREASE? AGAIN I CAN WAIT FOR THE STREET DEPARTMENT ON THAT. 
          >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD SAY 
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LIKE WE COULD LOOK AT EVERY VEHICLE THAT IS CURRENTLY A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE AND SAY WHAT WAS THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT PERSON BEING ASSIGNED A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE? WHAT POLICY WHERE WE FOLLOWING IN THE FIRST PLACE THAT SAID THAT IS A POSITION THAT SHOULD HAVE A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE. TODAY, THERE IS SOME I COULD POINT AT AND SAY I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT POSITION HAS A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE, IT HAS JUST ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY. AS WE FIRM UP THE POLICY I WONDER THE SAME THING DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT TYPE OF INCENTIVE BUT I ALSO WONDER ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THE PERSON NEXT TO THEM THAT'S DOING THE SAME JOB THAT DID NOT HAVE A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE LOGIC WAS APPLIED TO THAT PERSON BUT THE OTHER PERSON JUST ENDED UP WITH A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE. THERE IS KIND OF ALREADY A FAIRNESS ISSUE I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ADDRESS THE FAIRNESS ISSUE SO LET ME GIVE THIS PERSON SOMETHING NOTHING IS OFF THE TABLE BUT WE HAVE NOT 
          COME TO A CONCLUSION. >> COUNCILOR GREEN. 
          >> A QUICK QUESTION AND I WANT TO SET IT UP BECAUSE YOU WILL BE SITTING THERE TODAY AND COMMITTEES ARE COMING UP AND DID SOME THINGS EVERYONE HAS ASKED ABOUT. THE DATA METRICS AND EFFICIENCY AND WHO IS BEST TO KINDA MAKE THE DECISION EACH DEPARTMENT IS COLLECTING DATA WHETHER IT IS STREET DEPARTMENT OR ENGINEERING OR SOMEBODY ELSE AND WHO ULTIMATELY IS MAKING A DECISION ON THAT. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. SOMETHING I STRUGGLE WITH WHEN YOU ARE IN CHARGE OF A WHOLE BUNCH OF DEPARTMENTS AND EVERYONE HAS DATA AND IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EFFICIENCIES, BUT HOW DO YOU STRATEGICALLY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS, COLLECT THE DATA BECAUSE OFTEN THE DEPARTMENT COLLECTS DATA AND YOU MIGHT BE MORE OF A STATUS QUO DEFENDING THE WAY THINGS ARE VERSUS LOOKING BIGGER PICTURE ON HOW TO CREATE THOSE EFFICIENCIES AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY IS THE VEHICLES. OVER THE COURSE OF TIME YOU PROBABLY SEE SOMEONE AS A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT WANT A TAKE-HOME VEHICLE AND THAT IS NEGOTIATED SO OVER TIME YOU GET DESPAIR TO BECAUSE OF INDIVIDUAL SITUATIONS, THE DATA METRICS TO THINK ABOUT AS WE THINK ABOUT THE OTHER DEPARTMENT. 
          >> TWO QUICK ONES. AND THEN WE WILL SAVE SOME TIME IN MARKETING. AND THIS GOES HOLISTICALLY AND THIS GOES FOR THE LAW BUDGET. WHAT IS WHAT WE PAY FOR LAST YEAR BECAUSE THAT 
          COULD MOVE. >> IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT LAST 
          YEAR, FOR 2025? >> THIS BUDGET , 2025. 
          >> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 2024 BEING PAID OUT OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE 
          AND FOR 2025 IT WAS MOVED. >> THREE PAID THIS YEAR AND MAYBE THERE ON THE CHECK REGISTRY WRONG OR ON THE WRONG LINE ITEM. THERE ARE TWO OR THREE THAT WERE MADE THIS YEAR ON THAT BUDGET AND HONING IN THERE IS $50,000 FOR THE CARMEL FUND, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR, A SPECIFIC THING OR FOR 
          SPECIFIC PURPOSES? >> TO SUPPORT ORGANIZATIONS IN 
          THE COMMUNITY. >> I WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THE TAKE-HOME VEHICLES. I UNDERSTAND IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT AS AN EMPLOYEE SOMETHING IT IS SOMETHING YOU EXPECTED WHEN YOU WERE HIRED OR TOLD THIS WAS PART OF IT AND THIS IS NO LONGER HAPPENING IN THE AVERAGE CAR PAYMENT NOW, FOR A NORMAL SEDAN NOT A BIG SUV $600 A MONTH. $7000 PER YEAR THE EMPLOYEE HAS TO PAY FOR IT. THEY MAY GET A 3% PAY INCREASE MAKING $70,000 PER YEAR NOW THEY SEE A 10% DECREASE AND 3% MAKING IT UP. IT DOES INCREASE COST SO LATER I WOULD LOVE TO GO INTO THE INFORMATION OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE AFFECTED BECAUSE IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE EMPLOYEES, THAT NOW HAS TO GO MAKE A CAR PAYMENT, THIS IS, YOU'RE MAKING LESS MONEY IN 2026 AS A CITY EMPLOYEE THEN YOU WORK IN 2025. SO I MEAN THAT'S HOW MUCH THE PAYMENTS ARE IF YOU HAD TO GO TO THAT. WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT AND I WANT TO MAKE ONE STATEMENT THERE IS AN ITEM WE TALK ABOUT EXPERIENCE CARMEL. AS WE MENTIONED IN THE BUDGET 
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PRESENTATION, IT IS ALSO LISTED IN THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA THE ARTS BUDGET BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE GRAND WOULD COME OUT OF. SO IF WE GO OVER A LITTLE SOME OF THAT GOES TO THE ARTS SUPPORT AND OPERATIONS LINE ITEM. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS IN THE ARTS SUPPORT AND OPERATIONS BUDGET THAT WE WOULD WANT TO ASK ABOUT AS WELL. SO WE WILL NAVIGATE THAT THE BEST WE CAN AND WE WILL START WITH YOU, KELLY. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. WE WILL START HERE WITH THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES HERE MARKETING AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS. WE HAVE OUR CURRENT STRUCTURE, CURRENTLY WE DO THE PRIMARY MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS AS WELL AS EVENT PLANNING FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL. 
          WE HAVE 16 EMPLOYEES , THREE OF THESE WILL BE MOVING TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WE HAVE ONE TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE THAT IS PART-TIME AND THEY WILL END THEIR TIME AT THE END OF THE YEAR. AND WE WILL HAVE FOUR THAT WILL REMAIN WITH THE CITY AND THE REMAINING GOES WITH EXPERIENCE CARMEL. POTENTIALLY. 
          OUR SUCCESSES FOR THIS YEAR. WE HAVE APPROVED 165 DIFFERENT FACILITY USE REQUESTS. THAT'S ANYTIME ANYBODY HAS A RACE OR WEDDING OR SOME SORT OF USE OF OUR ASSETS HERE IN THE CITY THE GHOST OF THE DEPARTMENT AND HELP MANAGE THE B PW PROCESS. WE CREATED FIVE NEW EVENTS, CHERRY BLOSSOM FESTIVAL, EVEN FAST, THE DAY OF FAMILY WHICH HAPPENED THIS WEEKEND, SHE LEADS AND AMERICANA ON MAIN AND AMERICANA ON MAIN WAS PARTIALLY LAUNCHED LAST YEAR STRATEGICALLY BECAUSE WE HAD 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE UNITED STATES COMING UP AS WELL AS OUR 50TH CELEBRATION IN THE CITY. THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE PATRIOTIC PHOTOS AND THINGS TO HELP PROMOTE 250TH ANNIVERSARY. WE LAUNCHED BILL FOR BIG DREAMS WERE BENDING PROCESS WHICH INCLUDED WHICH INCLUDES ASSESSIN WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR COBRANDING PROCESS WITH POLICE AND FIRE. CREATING NEW MERCHANDISE, CONSOLIDATING PURCHASING THROUGH ONE VETTED VENDOR. WE WERE PREVIOUSLY PURCHASING DIFFERENT APPAREL OR GENERAL ITEMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THROUGH MULTIPLE VENDORS GOING THROUGH ONE VENDOR WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOMEBODY THAT SAVED US MONEY ACROSS THE BOARD. WE ARE ON TRACK TO HOST 47 DIFFERENT EVENTS FOR THIS YEAR. THAT COVERS 144 EVENT DAYS BECAUSE SOME OF THIS HAPPENS MULTIPLE DAYS LIKE MOVIES AT THE MIDTOWN COUNTED ONE OF THE 47 AND THAT HAPPENS MULTIPLE TIMES EQUALING 144 DAYS. WE HAVE MADE CONSISTENT WEBSITE UPDATES MANAGING THAT IN-HOUSE WHICH PREVIOUSLY THAT HAD NOT BEEN AS WELL AS MANAGING UPDATES WE HAVE WORKED WITH I.T. CREATING A NEW BASIS FOR THE WEBSITE LAUNCHING AT THE END OF THE YEAR. WE HAVE CLEANED UP DOMAIN MANAGEMENT, WE HAVE DONE THIS TO I.T., THEY HAVE SPEARHEADED, BUT WE HAVE GONE AROUND DOING THE LEGWORK TO FIND PASSWORDS AND INFORMATION ABOUT DIFFERENT URLS SECURED OVER THE YEARS. FROM STICKERS TO SIGNAGE, TO CUP FULFILLMENT SO MUCH SO THAT THAT SEEM TO BE A PART-TIME JOB FOR STAFF AS WELL AS WORKING WITH ATC. WE PARTNERED WITH A LOCAL ORGANIZING COMMITTEE ON SECURING AND MARKETING THE WORLD AQUATICS TOUR SWIMMING WORLD CUP WHICH IS A VERY BIG DEAL FOR THE CITY. SO CASING AUDITORIUM AT THE CARMEL HIGH SCHOOL AND IT HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH HAMILTON COUNTY SPORTS AUTHORITY THE CARAMEL SWIM CLUB AND THE HIGH SCHOOL. WE HAVE RELAUNCHED SWIM TO THE USA CREATED A WEBSITE BUILDING GRAPHICS, PLAYING CLOSE TO NEARLY 4000 DIFFERENT VISITORS COMING IN OCTOBER 10. 
          THE 12TH. WE HAVE WORKED WITH MEDIA ALL THE BREAKPOINTS OF THE CITY, BUSINESSES, WE WERE ABLE TO VIEW BUSINESSES AT THE CARMEL PARKS DEPARTMENT, WE TALKED ABOUT EVENTS SHOWCASING THE QUALITY OF LIFE HERE AT CARMEL THROUGH THE WISH YOU WERE HERE SERIES. AND WE HAVE INCREASED SOCIAL MEDIA FOLLOWS ACROSS ALL DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. WE HAVE PLACED 60 ADD SO FAR AND WE HAVE 
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30 OR MORE TO DO THE REST OF THE YEAR WITH THE BUSY EVENT SCHEDULE COMING UP. AND WE HAVE OUR NEW PROPOSED EXPERIENCE CARAMEL OUR CITY HAS BECOME MORE VIBRANT WITH A LOT OF EVENTS THAT GO THROUGHOUT THE CITY THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THE DIFFERENT EVENTS IN THE CITY HAS SUPPORTED THOSE IN DIFFERENT WAYS FROM THE LEVEL SPONSORSHIPS TO PARTNERING WITH DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS TO CARRY OUT THESE EVENTS. SO IN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH AND THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN TO MEET THIS NEED WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY BECOME A DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION WITHIN THE CITY. WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE I THOUGHT THAT WAS RATHER FASCINATING WE WERE ABLE TO PULL OFF A DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION WITHIN THE CITY WHERE I HAVE SEEN IT PREVIOUSLY GOING TO THREE CMA CONFERENCE AND TALKING TO MY COLLEAGUES THEY DON'T RUN EVENTS OUT OF THEIR CITY GENERALLY THAT IS SOMETHING DONE BY A THIRD-PARTY THAT SOMETHING LIKE DOWNTOWN INDY INK OR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THIS CAME UP WITH BUDGET REVIEW LAST YEAR AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS HARD TO DRAW COMPARISON FROM CURRENT DEPARTMENT TO EVEN OUR SISTER CITIES WITHIN HAMILTON COUNTY OF HOW THEY ARE SET UP AND HOW THEY DO THEIR EVENTS. THE FACT WE HAVE SO MANY MORE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE THAT MAKE SENSE TO GROW UP ESSENTIALLY. WE MOVE INTO ANOTHER TRANSITION PERIOD OF WHERE WE HAVE A DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION. THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE MORE CREATIVITY WITH FUNDING AS WELL, BEFORE THIS BECAME A DISCUSSION IT BECAME APPARENT WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT HOW WE HAVE FUNDS FOR HIS EVENTS. IT IS VERY DEPENDENT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE MONEY IN THE CITY AND IT HAPPENED TO BE WITH SCA 1 WE ARE HAVING THE ISSUE ARISE. ONE THING I HAD BEEN LOOKING AT WAS DIVERSIFYING FUNDING, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT SOURCES OF WHAT WE DO, THE B PW PROCESS WE MANAGE, WE DO NOT CHARGE FOR EVENTS. JANUARY 2024 IT WAS APPROVED THAT WE COULD CHARGE FOR EVENTS, BUT THE FEES WERE NOT ASSIGNED OR GIVEN ANY VALUE. THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD START DOING AND IT WOULD COVER THE COST OF MAINTENANCE, GAZEBO CONCERTS ARE FREE, THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED IN , HAVING A DISCOUNT FOR CITY OR FOLKS OF CARMEL AT A CHEAPER RATE VERSUS FOLKS OUTSIDE THE CITY. OTHER CITIES HAVE THE SAME THING WHERE THEY CHARGE FOR THEIR SPACES, THEY DO IT BY THE HOUR EVEN OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT PAYS OR HAS PEOPLE RENT OUT THE DIFFERENT FACILITIES WITHIN THE PARKS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE INVENTING SOMETHING NEW OR ASKING FOR SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE NOT USED TO DOING. LET'S SEE. 
          SO I THINK WITH THE EXPERIENCE CARAMEL SET UP WE WOULD HAVE, WE HEARD LAST YEAR THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS AROUND GROWTH IN THE DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S AROUND GROWTH OF EVENTS AND MARKETING DONE FOR THE EVENTS. THERE IS TRANSPARENCY AROUND DECISION-MAKING, THIS COULD BE ADDRESSED WITH EXPERIENCE CARMEL BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD NOT CHECK IN ONCE PER YEAR IT WOULD BE CHECKING MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR HOWEVER MANY TIMES THE BORDER COUNCIL WANTS TO CHECK IN TO SEE WHAT IT IS THAT CARMEL IS DOING. THIS WOULD ALSO ALLOW THE EXISTING COMMUNICATION TO FOCUS ON CITY COMMUNICATIONS AND NOT HAVE TO JUMP BETWEEN WRITING A PRESS RELEASE ABOUT THE NEXT EVENT AND THEN TRY TO FOCUS IN ON A TORNADO OR WHATEVER ISSUE CRISIS COMMUNICATIONS THAT COME UP . I THINK THIS WOULD ALSO HELP WITH THE DISCONNECTED FEELING FOR THE MARKETING FUNCTION OF THE CITY THAT ALL DEPARTMENTS HAVE , ALL THAT COUNCIL HAS AND YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AND HAVE A CONNECTION THERE. I THINK I KIND OF COVERED A LOT OF THESE ALREADY. THE MAYOR HAD SUGGESTED 
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THE NONPROFIT ENTITY EXPERIENCE CARMEL AS BEING HOME FOR EVER-GROWING MARKETING AND SUPPORTING THE EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES BACK IN MAY. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WITH EXPERIENCE CARMEL IS WITH THE COMMUNITY, THIS GIVES US A BETTER WAY AS LEVERAGING A NOT-FOR-PROFIT FUNDS IN A WAY THAT ANYBODY COULD DONATE AND HAVE A TAX BENEFIT WHICH WHAT WE DON'T HAVE NOW SO CURRENTLY IF WE HAVE A CITY EVENT THAT IS HAPPENING, MIDTOWN , HAVE A MIDTOWN BLOCK PARTY AND WE WANT MORE ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THAT WHO ARE WE GOING TO GO TO? GENERALLY WE GO TO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, BUT AT THIS POINT WE COULD DO THAT AND FIX THE CURIOSITY OF CAN I WRITE THIS OFF AS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT ? CAN I WRITE THIS OFF ON MY TAXES? THAT'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS WE HAD PEOPLE WANTED TO WRITE THIS OFF AS A TAX DEDUCTION. THERE IS A QUESTION OF WHY WHAT I COULD BE MORE MONEY I PAY MY TAXES TO THE CITY AS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT SEPARATE ENTITY SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON EVENTS YOU ARE SPECIFICALLY ABLE TO THE TAX BENEFIT FOR FOLKS THAT WANT TO SUPPORT AN EVENT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY YOU KNOW A PLACE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE PAYING MONEY TO. AND ALSO I WOULD NOTE ANY TIME YOU'RE ASKING FOR THOSE FUNDS FROM A PRIVATE ENTITY YOU ARE ALSO NOTABLY ASKING FOR FUNDS YOU ARE ASKING FOR PARTICIPATION AND BUY-IN ON THOSE EVENTS COME EVEN MORE INTEREST AS VOLUNTEERS AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF COMMITMENT TO THE CITY AND I THINK IT IS VERY STRENGTH BUILDING. SO TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN THE CITY WANT TO CONTINUE TO EXERCISE STRONG OVERSIGHT, THAT IS WITHOUT QUESTION THERE WOULD NOT BE THE MAYOR CONTROLLING THIS AS WE PROPOSE THIS WOULD HAVE EQUAL NUMBER OF MAYOR AND BOARD APPOINTEES AS WELL AS COUNCIL APPOINTEES AND THE REST OF THOSE APPOINTEES WOULD BE SHARED ACROSS KEY MEMBERS. VISIT HAMILTON COUNTY, INDIANA WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE. FOCUSED ON THE BEDS AND HEADS NUMBER THAT WOULD BE A DATA POINT, CARMEL COULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR, ONE ZONE CHAMBER REPRESENTING BUSINESS INTEREST, CARMEL HIGH SCHOOL WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE OUR EVENTS WE HAVE IN THE CITY REALLY SUPPORT THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT FAMILIES HAVE , IT DRAWS PEOPLE TO OUR CITY AND SCHOOLS SO THAT IS A VERY STRONG 
          LEVERAGE THAT WE HAVE. >> HOW MANY SLIDES DO WE HAVE LEFT? WE WANT TO GET SOME QUESTIONS IN. 
          >> SURE. >> MAYBE NEXT? 
          >> WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO JUMP TO OR STRAIGHT TO 
          QUESTIONS? >> TO WANT TO JUMP IN THE QUESTIONS? LET'S GET INTO THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS. 
          >> I GUESS WE COULD JUMP TO , WELL AT THE VERY END. PAGE 19. 
          >> THE BEST FOR FIVE SLIDES. THERE ARE 25 SLIDES THAT TAKE UP THE ENTIRE HALF HOUR AND DOES NOT ALLOW US TO ASK QUESTIONS. 
          >> SO ONE PAGE 19 IT SHOWS THE BUDGET REQUEST AND THIS WOULD BE FOR THE COMMS DEPARTMENT REMAINING FOR 773,000 SO ONE PAGE 19 IT SHOWS THE BUDGET REQUEST AND THIS WOULD BE FOR THE COMMS DEPARTMENT REMAINING FOR $773,671. THIS WOULD COVER ALL PERSONNEL COST DESCRIPTIONS AND SOFTWARE, THE DIFFERENT MEDIA TOOLS THAT WE USE FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS SITE. AND THAT 
          WOULD BE IT. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER FIRST THEN WE WILL DO ROUNDS FOR QUESTIONS. POINT TO ME IF YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR QUESTION. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. I WILL START WITH KIND OF A COMBINATION FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE MEETING EARLIER THIS WEEK AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE , WHERE MY HEAD IS. AND I WON'T GET INTO THESE INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE EACH HAD ITS OWN COMPLICATION DEFINING WHAT SUCCESS IS I THINK SHOULD 
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BE MORE CLARIFIED BECAUSE AS I LOOK AT MANY OF THESE I WOULD NOT CALL THEM SUCCESSES. THE WISH TV EVENT. I WAS WALKING IN THE BUILDING WITH ANOTHER COUNSELOR AND THE NEWS REPORTER STOPPED AND ASKED IF WE WERE HERE FOR THAT. WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS, WE RAN INTO YOU SHORTLY AFTER, YOU ARE READY TO DO THE INTERVIEW AND WE LEFT. THE SAME REPORTER SAID IT SEEMS THEY DO NOT WANT THE COUNCIL INVOLVED IN THIS AT ALL. AND DID NOT A SINGLE OTHER COUNSELOR KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS ENTIRE MEDIA SERIES ABOUT CARMEL. AND I DON'T NEED SOME OF THESE WERE WE PUTTING THE ADS, SOME OF THESE ARE NEW THINGS THE CHERRY BLOSSOM THE COUNCIL GAVE 10 OR $15,000 FOR THAT? A LOT OF THESE, I THINK THEY CAN DO GIVEN APPROVAL. WHEN A COMMENT WAS MADE THAT IT'S HARD FOR EVENT EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY WORK 37 1/2 HOURS PER WEEK AND THEY WORK ON THE WEEKEND. WHAT HAPPENS DURING THE WEEK AND I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT PLENTY OF PEOPLE EVERYWHERE EVERY DAY HAVE HOURS AND DAYS OF WORK THURSDAY TO MONDAY. IT DOES NOT PARTICULARLY MATTER. AND I COULD GO TO THIS BUT THAT DOES NOT REALLY MATTER. MY QUESTION IS YOU HAVE SUBMITTED A BUDGET FOR $700,000. SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY REVISION? EFFECTIVELY YOU HAVE SUBMITTED A BUDGET FOR COMMS , THAT'S A FACT, WE KNOW THAT AND THEN THERE IS THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT WHICH IT'S NOT HAPPENING. 
          >> IS THE LIVE FEED ON? I'M TOLD THE LIVE FEED WENT OUT FOR THE PUBLIC. WE WANT THIS FOR TRANSPARENCY. I HAVE PEOPLE TEXTING ME BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN AND THEY CANNOT WATCH THE MEETING. LET'S CALL A RECESS. I WILL NOTE EXPERIENCE CARMEL VIDEO MEETING COULD BE MOVED TO NONPROFIT. 
          STILL LIVE ON FACEBOOK? OKAY. >> IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN, THE WHOLE TIMING OF THIS WE ARE SAYING THAT FIVE EMPLOYEES, FOUR EMPLOYEES EIGHT EMPLOYEES ARE BEING REDISTRIBUTED. TO GO ELSEWHERE AND FOR IT TO GO TO THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT. AND THAT IS FINE BUT WHEN YOU CREATE A NOT-FOR-PROFIT , IF THAT HAPPENS IT WOULD BE LENGTHY NEGOTIATION OVER WITH THE BOARD MAKEUP IS WHICH I DOUBT WE WOULD AGREE ON BUT LET'S SAY WE DID THEN GREAT AND WE HAVE THE NON-FOR PROFIT BOARD. THAT BOARD IF THEY'RE WORTH ANYTHING IS GOING TO DO A SEARCH OR LOCAL REGION OR SURVEY DIRECTOR. IT MAY NOT BE YOU AND THEN THE BOARD AND THAT DIRECTOR WOULD ANALYZE WHAT THE STAFFING NEEDS ARE AND THE NEW DIRECTOR WOULD START OUT WITH ONE EMPLOYEE, TWO EMPLOYEES SO EFFECTIVELY EVERYBODY THAT WAS IN THE DEPARTMENT NOW THERE IS NO QUICK PATH TO EMPLOYMENT EVEN IF WE ALL AGREED ON THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT JUST BY VIRTUE OF HAVING NONPROPRIETARY OPERATES AND I HAVE CREATED THEM I AM THE PRESIDENT OF TWO CURRENTLY. IT DOES NOT WORK THIS SEAMLESSLY AND NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD GIVE $1.7 MILLION TO A STARTUP, IT WOULD BE COMING TO US WHEN PROVEN YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING. SO I DON'T SEE A PATH FORWARD THIS YEAR FOR THE NON-FOR PROFIT.WHICH MEANS ALL YOU HAVE IS A BUDGET WHERE YOU ARE LAYING OFF EIGHT PEOPLE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THAT. 
          >> OKAY. SO. I GUESS I WANT TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT HERE. WHEN , WHEN THE MAYOR CAME INTO OFFICE THE DEPARTMENT AND I DON'T THINK YOU WERE HERE DAY ONE, BUT YOU CAME AT SOME POINT EARLY SO MAYBE I SHOULD TALK TO THE MAYOR, BUT THERE WAS A 
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SYSTEM FOR HANDLING EVENTS. AND WHAT I RECALL HAPPENING THERE WAS EVER PUT INTO THE WAY THAT'S DONE WE WILL HIRE PEOPLE IN-HOUSE PEOPLE IN THE CITY TO RUN THOSE EVENTS AND STOP USING CONTRACTORS, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? AND I SAID OKAY IF THAT'S HOW THE MAYOR WANTS TO DO IT THAN THAT IS WHAT WE WILL DO. TO THE VICTOR GO THE SPOILS. SO NOW WE ARE , WE HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE WE HAVE 16 PEOPLE RUNNING THAT, OR USING CONTRACTORS FOR SET UP AND TEAR DOWN AND SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS? 
          >> KNOW, WE HAVE TAKEN OUT DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS AND WE HAVE SAVED MONEY IN THAT MODEL. 
          >> I'M NOT GOING THERE YET. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE EFFECTIVENESS , BUT THE IDEA WAS BRING IT IN-HOUSE AT THE CITY MANAGER KNOW THE MAYOR SAID THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE HAD AT THE TIME, NOW THINGS ARE CHANGING. SO NOW, TO CREATE A SEPARATE NONPROFT ENTITY FOR THOSE EVENTS TO HAPPEN IN ESSENCE FEELS LIKE WE ARE ABANDONING THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF WE WANT TO MANAGE THOSE, WE CAN DO IT BETTER AND SAVE MONEY TO USE YOUR POINT WE CAN DO IT MORE EFFICIENTLY. WHAT HAS CHANGED? WHY DO WE NEED TO DO IT THIS WAY? 
          >> I THINK THAT IS EXACTLY IT, WE PROVED BRINGING IT TO A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE HOUSED SOMEHOW WITHIN THE CITY WORK. 
          THAT WE DID NOT HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THESE OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS MANAGING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS FOR US. WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT IN-HOUSE AND THAT IS A GREAT ENTITY, IT WORKS GREAT, IT MANAGES TO GET EVERYTHING DONE AND FIX ISSUES ALONG THE WAY ALONG THE PROCESS. SO IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO TAKE THAT AND 
          EXPORT IT OUT OF THE CITY. >> TELL ME WHY OR GIVE ME SOME 
          EXAMPLES OF THAT. >> THERE ARE A LOT OF EXAMPLES, THERE IS DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, NO DMO WORKS THE SAME WAY, THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC TO THE CITY THAT THEY ARE THERE FOR, WHATEVER IT IS THEY ARE TRYING TO LIFT, AMPLIFY OR FIX. 
          I THINK WITH THE CITY OF CARMEL THERE IS NOT  MUCH WE NEED TO NECESSARILY FIX , BUT THERE'S A LEVEL OF EVENTS THEY EXPECT FOR QUALITY OF LIFE AND THAT'S WHAT THIS DMO WOULD BE THERE FOR 
          SPECIFICALLY. >> WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THE PEOPLE WE WILL GO OUT AND ASK TO SUPPORT THIS ENTITY ARE ALSO BEING ASKED TO COVER THE OPERATIONS OR THE EXPENSES OF THAT ENTITY, AS WELL AS THE BENEFIT TO THE CITIZENS? IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? AT SOME POINT I HAVE HEARD NOTHING MIXTURE THAN EVER IT FOR YEARS OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER. IS THERE ANY 
          FAIRNESS IN THAT STATEMENT? >> I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY SUPPORT OR COVER. BECAUSE JUST LIKE , SO DOWNTOWN INDY I THINK THEY HAVE ROUGHLY 20% OF THEIR INCOME THAT COMES FROM THE CITY AND IT ALSO COMES FROM DIFFERENT SPACES. 
          >> THEY MANAGE BUILDINGS THAT MAKE MONEY THAT'S WHERE INCOME 
          COMES FROM. >> THAT'S DIFFERENT. 
          >> SOME OF THAT MONEY WHICH GROUP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? 
          >> DOWNTOWN INDY, THEY SPECIFICALLY, WE WOULD NOT FIT THE SAME MODEL EXCEPT FOR THE EVENT SPACE AND THE FACT THEY DO AMPLIFICATION OF BUSINESSES WHICH IS ANOTHER STEP IN THIS SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING CAUGHT, THIS WOULD BE AMPLIFICATION OF BUSINESSES IN THE CITY AND COMMUNICATING WITH RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY. SO THOSE THREE THINGS DOWNTOWN INDY INC. DOES AS WELL. 
          >> OKAY SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COVER THIS MAYBE I SHOULD ASK THE QUESTION THAT WAY, HOW WILL RECOVER SALARIES FOR THESE EIGHT 
          PEOPLE? >> AT THIS POINT IT IS A GRANT FOR THE CITY. THERE'S GOING TO BE 20% REDUCTION EACH YEAR . 
          >> WE CAN GET SPECIFICS OF HOW WE WILL DO EVERYTHING DOWN YOUR TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE BECAUSE A LOT OF WORK HAS TO BE DONE BY THIS BOARD COMING TOGETHER. THIS IS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WHICH WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT BUILDING OUR CORE AND I SEE THIS AS NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. A GROUP OF PEOPLE POINTED WHO LOVE THE CITY WHO WANT TO MAKE SURE IT SUCCEEDS AND CAN MANAGE THE BUDGET TO GET INTO HYPOTHETICALS ABOUT HOW WE COVER THE SALARY, 
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HOW MANY EMPLOYEES AND ALL THOSE THINGS AFTER YEAR ONE IS JUST A SHOT IN THE DARK. I THINK WE PUT GOALS TOGETHER 20% REDUCTION EVERY YEAR. YEAR ONE IS A TRANSITION CLEARLY WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE FINANCES NECESSARY UP AND RUNNING AND SUCCESSFUL AND THEN FLY ON THEIR OWN AFTER THAT. 
          >> WE HAVE HAD TWO EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE WHO LOVE THE CITY RUNNING ON PROFITS AND WE NOW HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. SO I AM BEING VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT JUMPING ON THIS , WHAT FEELS TO ME LIKE A RUNAWAY TRAIN AT THE END OF THE YEAR AS WE ARE DEALING WITH BUDGET . THERE SO MANY UNKNOWNS, THERE IS NO FEASIBILITY STUDY , THERE'S NO DOCUMENT TO HANG ONTO AND WE KNOW CITIZENS LOVE THE CITY , THEY MAY DISAGREE WITH WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. SO THAT'S WHY I'M BEING VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT HOW WE WORK ON THIS. ALSO POINTED BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE GAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RUN THE WAY YOU WANTED TO AND I AM JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT GOING THIS WAY GETTING RID OF THE MANAGEMENT , THE COOPERATION BETWEEN THOSE COMPANIES, GREAT CORPORATE PARTNERS WHO RELY ON THE CITY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ROWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION, THAT THEIR PEOPLE DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE THIS WORKS AND IT HAS BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DRIVER IN MY OPINION. I HAVE WATCHED IT FOR MONTHS, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, HUMAN THE WHOLE THING ABOUT IN OUR PRIVATE MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT CITIZENS CONTRIBUTING TO THEIR OWN FESTIVALS. THAT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT THERE YET IN MY MIND TO START ASKING CITIZENS TO REACH INTO THEIR POCKET AND PAY $10 TO GO TO AN EVENT OR TO SUPPORT IT, I AM NOT THERE YET I DON'T KNOW WE HAVE THOUGHT THIS THROUGH CORRECTLY. ALSO ON THE NONPROFIT STATUS OF A CORPORATE PARTNER. IF I GIVE YOU MONEY FOR SPONSORSHIP I CAN WRITE THAT OFF, SO I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT'S HOLDING BACK THE FUNDS FLOWING BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A NOT-FOR-PROFIT. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO GET MAD AT ME FOR GETTING GOING ON THIS, BUT LET ME SWITCH BECAUSE I GUESS WE WILL TALK ABOUT EXPERIENCE CARMEL. THE 60 ADS IN SUPPORT OF THE CITY WITH ANOTHER 30 TO GO WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THAT, THOSE 90 ADS , DO YOU HAVE THAT? 
          >> THE MONETARY VALUE? >> THE COST I SHOULD SAY. 
          >> I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT I COULD 
          GET IT TO YOU. >> IF YOU COULD, COULD I ALSO UNDERSTAND , SO OTHER THAN THE 90 YOU MENTIONED, ARE THERE ADS THAT PROMOTE THE CITY AND NOT SPECIFIC EVENTS? 
          >> YES WE DO THE QUARTERLY PAGE SPREAD THAT TALKS ABOUT EVENTS, ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED RECENTLY. YOU GUYS ARE FEATURED IN IT OCCASIONALLY AS WELL IF WE HAVE SOMETHING FROM YOU TO PUT IN THERE , BUT BASICALLY IT'S THE CIVIC COURTLY SPREAD. 
          >> I WILL TELL YOU , NOW THIS IS JUST MY OPINION AND I WILL GET MY HAND SLAPPED I'M SURE WE DID IT ONCE, I LED THE EFFORT AND DECIDED NOT TO DO IT AGAIN BECAUSE MARKETING TO OUR OWN CITIZENS DO NOT SEEM LIKE A GOOD USE OF TAX DOLLARS SO I DON'T KNOW THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN OTHER THAN THE FIRST TIME AND IF ANYBODY'S UPSET ABOUT THAT I WILL TAKE THE BLAME THAT WAS MY IDEA. I SEE IS DOING THE BIG QUARTER PAGE OR SORRY FOUR PAGE ADS AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT IS, BUT SOMETIMES IT WORRIES ME A LITTLE BIT WHAT OUR MISSION IS IN THAT REGARD. 
          SO, I WILL TURN OFF MY TIME NOW AND. 
          >> WE WILL DO COUNCILOR MINNAAR THEN IF IT'S OKAY I WILL CALL ON MYSELF AND COUNCILOR LOCKE AND COUNCILOR GREEN. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. I RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS FROM CONSTITUENTS SINCE THE CURRENT WROTE AN ARTICLE ABOUT EXPERIENCE CARMEL. 
          SINCE I AM THE VOICE OF US THE QUESTIONS IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          STARTING WITH INVESTMENT 1.8 MILLION FOR 1.7 MILLION IN CITY FUNDS IT'S UNCLEAR WHY WE WOULD START AT IMMEDIATE LOSS WHEN I HAVE SO MANY THINGS IMPACTED BY CUTS. THE QUESTION IS WHERE WE SAVING $1.7 MILLION BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE ASKED FOR THE INFORMATION AND WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN IT YET SO I KNOW IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME. MAYBE ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION. 
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          >> THINK WE HAVE SAVINGS ACROSS , I MEAN YOU'RE SAVING 1.7, IT IS BEING PULLED OUT PART OF THAT IS 600 GOING TO THE ARTS GRANT WHICH IS WHY THIS MEETING AS AFTER THIS ONE. THAT WOULD BE HELPING TO PROMOTE THE EXPERIENCE CARMEL EVENT AND REALLY THE FACT THAT EIGHT PEOPLE THAT WILL BE MOVING TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT THIS FIRST YEAR, THERE IS SAVINGS I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET A BETTER DOCUMENT TO YOU THAT SHOWS THAT. THINKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT POINTS IT'S KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE ADDS UP TO THAT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS WITH CHIEF OF STAFF IT'S BASICALLY WE HAVE LIKE FIND OTHER PLACES TO CUT , BUT EVENTS EITHER YOU MAKE THE CUT IN MAC AND IF YOU DO IF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE CARMEL EVERYBODY HAS A JOB FOR THE FIRST YEAR. I WOULD BE INTERIM DIRECTOR FOR THAT UNTIL THE BOARD WAS LIKE YES WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS OR YOU NEED TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE. OR YOU HAVE CUTS, CUTS OF EVENTS AND PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET. 
          >> TO THAT POINT WHAT I HAVE BEEN HEARING AGAIN I SPEAK FROM MY CONSTITUENCY WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT WHEN I HAVE BEEN HONEST WITH YOU FROM THE MEETINGS WE HAD THE CITY OF CARMEL WILL DONATE OR DONATES THE DOLLARS FOR THE SALARIES MOVING OVER TO EXPERIENCE CARMEL IF WE DO THAT IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR IT SUPPOSED TO BE A 20% DECREASE. WHEN YOU COME BACK, THE BOARD COMES BACK AND SAYS WE NEED AN INCREASE IN SALARY BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE XYZ AS WE HAVE SEEN WITH OTHER AFFILIATES THAT WE CONTRACT WITH , THEY COME BACK TO SAY WE NEED MORE MONEY HOW ARE WE GOING TO FILL THE GAP IF THERE SUPPOSED TO BE SAVINGS SO WE MENTIONED A 3% COLA THE SECOND YEAR AND A 7% WHAT WAS IT 
          FOR? >> THAT'S FOR NEXT YEAR THE 7% 
          WAS TO COVER BENEFITS. >> SO THE COST SAVINGS FOR US WE WERE TOLD WOULD BE MOVING FROM THE CITY PAYROLL TO A 
          NOT-FOR-PROFIT TO SAVE DOLLARS. >> THERE IS A SAVINGS BECAUSE THE BENEFITS WILL BE GOOD AND IT WILL BE A STANDARD BENEFIT PACKAGE THE CITY HAS KIND OF A RIDICULOUSLY GOOD AND IF IT. 
          LET'S BE REAL. >> BASICALLY AGAIN SPEAKING FOR THE CONSTITUENCY IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR SHUFFLING MONEY THAT'S THE OVERRIDING THING I AM HEARING SO IN ORDER FOR ME TO GET MY HEAD AROUND THIS I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE COST SAVINGS 100% UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE FUNDING THE ARTS GRANTS 100% EXCUSE ME NOT 100% CLEARLY THE BUDGET WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, BUT I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE I GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO UNDERSTAND THE COST SAVINGS AS A HOLE. I JUST WANT TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU AND I THINK I HAVE BEEN. WITHOUT HAVING GOVERNING DOCUMENTS OR GUARANTEES, WITHOUT HAVING THE UNDERSTANDING WITHOUT ANY OF THAT BUILT OUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE A DECISION AND SAY I WILL GIVE YOU 1.7 AND SAY I WILL GIVE YOU $1.766 AND GO ON A WING AND A PRAYER. THAT'S HOW I FEEL 
          ABOUT IT. >> THIS IS APPROPRIATION AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE WENT ON THE ROAD OF USING BYLAWS AND GOVERNING DOCUMENTS THAN THE FEEDBACK WOULD HAVE BEEN WHY DIDN'T YOU INCLUDE US? SO WE WILL START TOMORROW IF YOU WANT DIGGING INTO DOCUMENTS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SET IT UP IN A COLLABORATIVE MANNER, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO AT THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. AND WITH THE COMMENTS ABOUT EXECUTIVE OVERREACH I WOULD AGREE. SO THIS IS SET UP TO HAVE A JOINT MANAGEMENT WHETHER IT WOULD BE COUNSELORS APPOINTING COUNSELORS OR THE COUNSELORS APPOINTING OTHERS AND APPOINTMENTS FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IN ADDITION TO HIGHLY REGARDED COMMUNITY LEADERS MAKING DECISIONS AND AGAIN BRING IT BACK EVERY MONTH TO REPORT THE PROGRESS THIS GIVES YOU MORE CONTROL THAN YOU CURRENTLY HAVE NOW. IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS IN THE 
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DOCUMENTS I WILL START TOMORROW, THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO SET UP THE WAY WE DO IS TO HAVE THIS COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATION. 
          >> AFTER THAT , IT WILL BE COUNCILOR LOCKE, COUNCILOR GREEN, COUNCILOR JOSHI, COUNCILOR SNYDER BUT I WANT TO ASK IF YOU QUESTIONS. I WROTE A LONG FACEBOOK POST ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY. COST SAVINGS, I AM DISAPPOINTED WE SAY WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU LATER. WE HAD THE INITIAL BUDGET MEETING TO START SOME OF THE PROCESS WHERE WE ASKED ABOUT THIS MANY COUNSELORS HAD SEPARATE MEETINGS LIKE 90 MINUTES IN YOUR OFFICE WHERE WE SAID LET'S GO OVER THIS AGAIN I ASKED THE QUESTION MANY TIMES HOW ARE WE SAVING THE MONEY WE SAID WE'RE SAVING MONEY BECAUSE INSURANCE COST TOO MUCH AND WE ARE SWITCHING TO ANOTHER INSURANCE. I UNDERSTAND SOME PLANS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OTHERS. 1.7 MILLION? IF THAT'S, THE MATH DOES NOT ADD UP. THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD, WE SAID HOW MANY DONATIONS DOES IT NEED YOUR ONE, THE MAP WORKS WITHOUT A SINGLE DONATION ARE WE GETTING RID OF EVENTS ARE CUTTING SCALE WE ARE NOT. WE LETTING GO OF EMPLOYEES ARE CHANGING PAY NO WE ARE NOT. SO WE ARE BEING MORE EFFICIENT. 
          EFFICIENCY SAVES MONEY I DON'T, 1.7 MILLION I THINK IT WOULD BE FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE FOR US TO ENTER INTO A PLAN WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING HOW IS IT WE ARE SAVING MONEY AND WE HAVE COMPLETE COST BREAKDOWN. THE MAYOR SAYS WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THE WEEDS, WE WANT TO GO TO THE WEEDS AND WE WANT THE DETAILS BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE DEPARTURE FROM THE LONG-STANDING TRADITION OF HOW CARMEL MANAGES EVENTS. AND IF WE DO THIS IN THREE YEARS WE WANT THREE WAYS WE HAVE DECIDED TO DO EVENTS IN THE CITY AND WHY IN YOUR ONE REFILL LIKE WE NEEDED TO FIX SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT BROKEN? IF YOU CONCERNS WE WILL HAVE MORE CONTROL WITH MORE OVERSIGHT OF THE NONPROFIT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE WE HAVE BOARD APPOINTMENTS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW MONEY CAN BE CITY COUNCIL AT ANY POINT CAN TRANSFER MONEY IN AND OUT OF THE MARKETING BUDGET. ANY TIME IN THE YEAR IF YOU NEED MORE MONEY WHICH YOU CAME TO SEND US MONEY WHEN HE WENT ON MATERNITY LEAVE AND NEEDED TO BRING OUTSIDE HELP AND WE APPROVE THAT BUT WE DID NOT WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR. WE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THAT. RIGHT NOW THE ONLY COURSE WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES WOULD BE TO GO TO OUR TWO OUT OF EIGHT BOARD APPOINTMENTS AND THEN ASKED HIM TO PLEASE ADVOCATE ON THE CITY COUNCIL BEHALF SO I GUESS WE HAVE TO PICK SOMEBODY GOOD BECAUSE IF WE GET THAT WRONG WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL. THEN ONCE PER YEAR WE GET TO APPROVE A GRANT BUT THE GRANT WILL BE DECREASING EVERY YEAR TO THE POINT THE CITY COUNCIL NO LONGER HAS ANY CONTROL OVER THIS. AND THEN YES WE CAN ASK MANY TIMES TO COME REPORT TO US THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM ACTUALLY HAVING A SAY AND I DO THINK THERE IS AN IDEA THAT COULD WORK. YOU MENTION HOW IT'S HAPPENED IN OTHER CITIES. YOU MENTION PARKS DEPARTMENT MANAGE A LOT OF EVENTS IN OTHER CITIES. I ASKED THE QUESTION WAS THAT EXPORT, OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS A GREAT TRACK RECORD OF RUNNING THINGS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE IT'S ALREADY SET UP AS AN ORGANIZATION. A LOT OF THE EVENTS ARE ON LAND IN SOME CASES MANAGED BY THE PARKS SO I WONDER OR AT LEAST SOME CASE , MIDTOWN PLAZA SHARED RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          WHY WAS THAT NOT EXPLORED AS AN IDEA IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. AND TWO IF THIS IS GOIN TO HAPPEN WHICH I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT HAPPENING IN THIS YEAR IN THE BUDGET IT'S JUST TOO FAST TO GET THIS DONE BY MID-OCTOBER BUT IF THIS IDEA SOMETHING WE WANT TO EXPLORE IN THE FUTURE I WOULD SUGGEST A MAIN STREET ORGANIZATION WHERE BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE A SAY IN THIS PERHAPS THEY HAVE A MEMBERSHIP. MAYBE THE BUSINESS OWNERS GET TO GET TOGETHER AND ELECT ONE OF THE BOARD CHAIRS. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD WORK. BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE WILL GET TOGETHER BETWEEN NOW AND AGAIN BY OCTOBER 20 WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE BUDGET PASSED. WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS WHEN YOU RUSH , WHEN YOU ACT OUT OF PANIC YOU WILL MAKE BAD DECISIONS AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE US PANIC ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF ROLLING BACK AND MAKE A DECISION THAT WILL AFFECT CITY EVENTS FOR DECADES TO COME. SO I'M SORRY I HAVE TALKED A LOT ANY RESPONSE BEFORE I MOVE ON TO OTHER COUNSELORS? 
          >> I CAN SUPERQUICK WE ARE NOT PAYING TAKE GAME WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT DONE BY MID-OCTOBER , TO THE END OF THE YEAR WE HAVE IT TO GET IT DONE! PLENTY OF TIME EVERY PUT OUR HEADS 
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TOGETHER AND ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND GET TO WORK. I AGREE THERE'S SOME GOOD MAIN STREET MODELS, LOOKED AT GREENFIELD, MADISON, INDIANA. WE COULD PUT BUSINESS MERCHANTS ON THE BOARD THAT'S THE THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. FIGURING OUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AND REMEMBER THERE'S MORE THAN ONE MERCHANT AREA IN CARMEL THERE'S THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY AND OTHER AREAS THAT WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO 
          CONSIDER. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN 
          CONSIDERING THE IDEA? >> IN MY HEAD WE HAD THE WHY OF IT THE LAST EIGHT WEEKS WE HAVE BEEN CRANKING OUT HOW THIS COULD WORK WITH HAMILTON COUNTY COMMUNITY FOUNDATION AND WITH THE BACK OFFICE AND THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, AS WELL. 
          >> WE WERE TOLD BRIEFLY DURING SOME OF THE MARKET STUFF THIS WAS AN IDEA, BUT IT WAS A GENERAL THING AND THAT WAS IT. 
          >> THAT WAS IN MAY. >> DID THIS START EIGHT WEEKS AGO EVEN EIGHT WEEKS AGO I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE BEEN 
          INVOLVED. >> PART OF THE EXECUTIVE FUNCTION TO BRING THE BUDGET TOGETHER FOR NEXT YEAR AND I WOULD AGREE THIS IS A DIFFERENT WAY OF HANDLING THIS AND THEIR MAIN REASONS, ONE I AM MORE FULLY ENGAGED NOT JUST THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE FIRST YEAR AND FIRST OF ALL I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH THE REALITY IS CHANGE WITH WHAT FINANCES ARE AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT INNOVATIVE WAYS OF DOING THINGS, WE FEEL WE HAVE THIS IN 26 AND 27 WHEN THE FINANCIALS ARE WORSE IT WILL BE 
          ROLLING. >> COUNCILOR LOCKE I WOULD LOVE TO GET BACK TO MAC. TALKING ABOUT THE NONPROFIT, VERTICAL WE HAVE DONE THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN HONE IN ON THE CORE FUNCTIONS THAT THE CITY REQUIRES HOW DO WE ENSURE THEY STAY AND REMAIN WITH THE CITY? I HEAR THE WORDS COME BACK TO ME AND I LOVE THAT, BUT THE IDEA THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER NONPROFIT THEN WE DO WITH THE CITY IS OBJECTIVELY WRONG THE GOAL OF THE CITY PROCESS IS TO DO THE THINGS NECESSARY FOR CITIZENS THAT THEY HAVE ELECTED US TO DO TO PUT US IN POSITIONS TO DO, THE MAC DEPARTMENT STARTED AS KIND OF A COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT AND DIFFERENT EVENTS AND BECAME WHAT IT BECAME UNDER THE LAST ADMINISTRATION WITH A BUNCH OF OPERATIONS WAS DIFFERENT BEFORE YOU STARTED. WE LISTEN TO LAST YEAR GAVE APPROPRIATION TO BUILD UP THE DEPARTMENT AND PUT IT UNDER CENTRALIZED SCOPE SO THE COMMITTEE KITCHEN WHETHER THEY BE EXECUTIVE OR CITY BRANCH CAN MEDICATIONS OR MANAGED UNDER ONE SPOT WE SAW THE EBBS AND FLOWS OF EXTERNALITY WERE OTHER DEPARTMENTS NEEDED TO COMMUNICATE GO THROUGH PROCESS AND PUT US IN A PROCESS THAT WAS A DIFFERENT BUREAUCRACY WHICH BECOME STRESSFUL WHICH IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS ON THE FRONT END AS YOU GIVE COMMUNICATION A POSITION AT THE LEADERSHIP TABLE AND YOU START TO DO THINGS FOR COMMUNICATION PURPOSES WHEREAS MEDICATION IS A FUNCTION OF THE GOVERNMENT AS A SUPPORTING MECHANISM FOR THE CORE FUNCTION OF THE GOVERNMENT IT STARTS TO FLOW IN A WAY YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND WE HAVE SEEN THE EXPANSION WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE YOU BUILD SOMETHING FROM NOTHING. OF THE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE A BIGGER FOOTPRINT OVER OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES OF THE CITY THAN IT COULD HAVE OR SHOULD OF HAD BEFORE AND THERE WERE GROWING PAINS. THAT GETS TO THE POINT OF LEAVING FOUR PEOPLE HERE NO MATTER WHAT. HAVE TO COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT A BUDGET WE MADE A REQUEST TO SEE WHAT IS THE ASK WE NEED TO HAVE TO LEAVE MAC IN THE CITY BUT IT IS AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE. WE KNOW THOSE NEW THINGS SO IMPORTANT TO THE GOVERNMENT WITH OTHER TRANSFERRING DEPARTMENTS NO MATTER WHAT WE DO A MAYOR FINKHAM SO SEVEN PEOPLE CAN DO THE FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY MINUS EVENTS IS BEING CONTEMPLATED TO MOVE THIS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LIST IS ONE OF THE CORE FUNCTIONALITIES, THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO FROM A COMMS PERSPECTIVE AND HAD REFITTED IN A BUDGET THAT MAKES SENSE FOR NEXT YEAR AND WE HAD CONVERSATIONS IN THE LAST WEEK ABOUT THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE IT CAME UP IN MAY AND ALL THINGS MY THOUGHT BE PAUSED AFTER THE FIRST INITIAL DISCUSSION BECAUSE OF THE UNDERTAKING OF SOMETHING THIS COMPLEX. STRATEGICALLY DISS ALIGNED WITH WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY FROM A GROWTH PERSPECTIVE FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT. IT PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WHEN THIS CAME BACK AROUND THIS WAS THE ONLY ASK WHICH WAS THE THING WE SPENT THIS MEETING AT LAST YEAR HONING IN ON OR FOCUSING ON WAS DISENFRANCHISING TO ME. IT 
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PUTS US IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE RELITIGATING THE CONCEPT OF WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF MARKETING FOR A CITY THAT IS GOING FASTER THAN THE REVENUE IT'S ALLOWED TO COLLECT FROM THE GROWTH. AND WE'RE SEEING THAT WORSE WHERE WE ARE, SO WE TALK ABOUT CHANGES TO THE STATE HOUSE, WE ARE CITY GROWING FASTER FROM AN ASSESSED VALUE PERSPECTIVE THEN WE ARE ALLOWED TO GROW TO COLLECT MORE REVENUE FROM THE GROWTH WE ARE SEEING. THE IDEA WE ARE MARKETING OR ECONOMICALLY DEVELOPING IN ANY DIRECTION OTHER THAN GETTING MORE SUSTAINABILITY MAKES ZERO SENSE BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE LESS MONEY FOR MORE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WILL NEED MORE SERVICES. SO I SAY THAT ANYTHING WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON MAC SPECIFICALLY REGARDLESS OF EXPERIENCE CARMEL. THERE IS A BROADER CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LIST OF THE ESSENTIAL CORE FUNCTIONS, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, WHAT THEY MEAN TO THE CITY AND WHY WE SHOULD APPROPRIATE MONEY MOVING FORWARD AND IF IT TRULY IS FOUR PEOPLE NECESSARY TO DO THAT WITH REMOVING WE NEED TO HAVE A BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AND THE SAVINGS WE CAN ACHIEVE THERE OR HOW DO WE MAKE THAT FUNCTION MORE EFFICIENT TO SUPPORT THE THINGS THAT ARE THERE. THE IDEA OF A NONPROFIT AND I WILL STOP WAXING POETIC BECAUSE MY REQUEST IS MORE DATA AS EVERYBODY'S IS. THE ANTIWEAR SETTING SOMETHING UP TO BE A PRIVATE PUBLIC SHOULD PARTNERSHIP TO GIVE MORE CONTROL TO THE PEOPLE OF CARMEL SEEMS LIKE A GOOD THING TO SAY. WHAT WE SPENT THE LAST YEAR ON AS A CITY ABOUT NONPROFITS WAS ATTEMPT TO CREATE MARKETING OUTSIDE PROMOTING CARMEL WHICH YOU GUYS SAID LOOK AT THIS WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH OVERSIGHT LET'S GET RID OF IT WHICH I DON'T THINK WAS UNREASONABLE. NEXT THE MAYOR COULD DO THE SAME TO THIS . WE ALSO SPENT WITH AFFILIATED ENTITY WITH A NONPROFIT THAT WAS INDEPENDENT WITH GOVERNMENT CONTROL OVER BOARD PERSPECTIVE TAKING THAT INTO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE IS RIGHT OR WRONG UNREASONABLE OR REASONABLE. TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THAT AND WE HAVE DISENFRANCHISED PEOPLE RELATED TO THAT ENTITY, CITIZENS AWAY AND WORKED UP AND SPUN UP THE NONPROFIT FROM AN EVENT THEY CARED ABOUT. FROM A CONTEXT OF HOW WE ARE WORKING ON THIS AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IF WE BRING IT BACK DOWN WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE CITY? PROMOTION OF 70 EVENTS, IS IT TELLING PEOPLE THERE WATER NEEDS TO BE BOILED, HOW DO WE PUT THOSE THINGS IN A HIERARCHY OF NEED, SAY WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO ACHIEVE THOSE OUTCOMES AND ENSURE WE PAY FOR THEM THROUGH CITY PROCESS BECAUSE THOSE THINGS WILL FUNCTION AND NEED TO FUNCTION IN OTTAWA JUST LIKE THE LIFE STREAM OF THESE VIDEOS. THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ASKE FOR GROWTH INITIATIVES RELATED TO OTHER THINGS WE ARE DOING. THAT WE CAN ADD TO THE BUCKET , BUT TO GET TO THE POINT THAT WE HAVE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE POTENTIAL NONPROFIT RELATED TO THE OPERATIONS OF OUR CITY EVENTS LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TO SET THE BASE FIRST AND I'M NOT CERTAIN THIS PRESENTATION HAS ADVOCATED FOR THE PROGRAM AT ALL. IN FACT I THINK IT ADVOCATES AGAINST THE PROGRAM AND IMAGE FOR A NONPROFIT THAT DOES NOT EXIST YET FOR WORK THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE BUT DONE TO THE POINT THAT PEOPLE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY FOUNDATIONS AND OTHER PEOPLE AND OTHER PLACES TO THE POINT THAT IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE LABOR OF THE DEPARTMENT FOR AT LEAST EIGHT WEEKS HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON DOING SOMETHING THAT IS ANCILLARY TO THE ACTUAL LABOR WHICH MEANS MAYBE IT'S TOO BROAD TO BEGIN WITH ARE WE NOT ALLOCATING 37 1/2 HOURS TO THE RIGHT THINGS. I SURE THAT CONTEXTUALLY. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO, WHY DO WE NEED TO DO IT BEFORE START TO GET TOO AGILE BEFORE SAYING THAT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN. THE IDEA OF TRANSITING GOING TO A POSITION WHERE THERE'S A MANAGER IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE MANAGED BY CHIEF OF STAFF WHICH IS A NEW ROLE AS WELL, FOR THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL FOR THE PROMOTION FUNCTION MAY BE A BETTER STAY. SO IT MIGHT BE A FAILED EXPERIMENT MAC IS NOT THE RIGHT SET UP , I DON'T THINK IT IS BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHY WE SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE MONEY TO GET AS OPPOSED TO TALKING ABOUT THE SIDE QUEST AS THE MAIN 
          QUEST FOR THIS DEPARTMENT. >> ALL RIGHT, COUNCILOR GREEN AND THEN COUNCILOR JOSHI AND THEN COUNCILOR SNYDER. 
          >> WE ARE IN THIS PREDICAMENT. AS WE KEEP STATING. BECAUSE THE SENATE ENROLLMENT ACT ONE ALL THE BUDGET RESTRAINTS. WE ARE 
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NOWHERE NEAR PANICKING AT ALL. THIS BUDGET YEAR IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT SETS THE STAGE FOR NEXT YEAR THAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE TWO MORE CUTS SO I APPRECIATE THE CREATIVE WAY. 
          THAT YOU KNOW, YOU ARE TRYING TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE FOR NEXT YEAR IN A REALLY TOUGH BUDGET DISCUSSION BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS COUNCIL HAS TO CUT SOMEWHERE. MAYBE NOT SO MUCH THIS YEAR BUT NEXT YEAR. AND IT IS TOUGH AS A COUNCIL BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROVIDE ALL THE SERVICES AND YOU CAN TELL NO ONE IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT CUTTING OTHER THAN MAC. I APPRECIATE THIS, SLIDE NUMBER 21, THE 4.2 MILLION. WE NEED TO KNOW MORE DETAILS BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS HITTING US REALLY FAST ON THIS NONPROFIT BUT JUST BALLPARK 4.2 MILLION IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET YOU ARE ASKING FOR 3.4 MILLION LESS, BUT 1.7 GOING TOWARD 1.8 WOULD BE THE GRANT, SO THE BALLPARK, YOU ARE ASKING FOR 1.7 LESS WE DON'T KNOW THE COMPLETE DETAILS SO 1.7 LESS, IN SAVINGS AS BALLPARK, BUT AGAIN WE NEED TO SEE THOSE SAVINGS. SOMETHING COUNCILOR LOCKE ASKED, THE ROLE OF MAC SOMETHING TO FIGURE OUT BECAUSE THERE'S 4070 EVENTS. WE WANT THOSE EVENTS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT YOU HAVE SEEN THE BULK OF THE WORK FOR THOSE 47 EVENTS, BECAUSE YOU ARE ASKING TO GO TO FOUR PEOPLE VERSUS 13 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER IT IS TODAY. IN THE END WHETHER IT IS NONPROFIT OR THE MAC DEPARTMENT STILL GOING TO BE PROVIDING THOSE KIND OF SERVICES TO MARKET THE 47. SO WE WILL NOT JUST GO DOWN TO FOUR AND HAVE FOUR INDIVIDUALS MARKET 47 AND IN THE END IF THAT'S ALL THAT'S THERE THOSE 47 EVENTS HAVE TO BE DRAMATICALLY CUT BECAUSE YOU WON'T HAVE THE MAN TO DO THAT. 
          THE ISSUE I HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER COUNSELORS , REALLY FAST SETTING UP A NONPROFIT THEIR QUESTIONS HISTORICALLY WHAT WE HAD WITH THE AFFILIATED REVIEW COMMITTEE ON THE GOVERNANCE OF THE NONPROFITS, THE STRUCTURE OF THE NONPROFIT AND THE CONTROL OF THE NONPROFITS. AND I AM GLAD COUNCILOR LOCKE BROUGHT IT UP. 
          THE FORMER STRUCTURE OF NONPROFITS , THERE WAS A LACK OF OVERSIGHT EVEN WITH COUNSELORS PARTICIPATING DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY THERE WAS LACK OF OVERSIGHT ON THE NONPROFITS. 
          MAYBE NONPROFIT IS NOT THE PROPER STRUCTURE. AND IF IT IS HOW DO WE GET THE RIGHT GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE AND CONTROL OVER THIS NONPROFIT BECAUSE AS COUNCILOR LOCKE SAID THE MORE BECOMING A NONPROFIT, THE LESS CONTROL YOU HAVE OVER IT. AND I UNDERSTAND IN THE SLIDES YOU HAVE THREE MAYOR APPOINTEES AND THREE CITY COUNSELOR APPOINTEES. WHICH MIGHT PROVIDE THE STRUCTURE BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO REALLY DIVE INTO IN THE SPECIFIC WHEN WE START GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF THE NONPROFIT. SO MY QUESTION IS , IF THIS NONPROFIT IS NOT STARTED AND YOU HAVE THE BUDGET REQUEST WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE THOSE ? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT WHICH ULTIMATELY WILL HURT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SO WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE OF NOT CREATING THIS EXPERIENCE CARMEL? 
          >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVE AT THIS TIME, WE THINK THIS IS THE BEST THING MOVING FORWARD. 
          >> IF I CAN RESPOND FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE. THERE HAVE BEEN POINTS MADE ABOUT THIS NUMBER REDUCE COMPARED TO LAST YEAR LOOKING AT THIS A DIFFERENT WAY THE DEPUTY POSITION IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS AN EXAMPLE. WE HAVE HAD THE REVENUE FOR THIS YEAR, FOR 27. FORECASTED TO BE 147 MILLION, COUNCIL PASSED A BUDGET OF 143.6, LAST FALL. SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THE AVAILABLE REVENUE, 143.6. OUR PROPOSED BUDGET TOTALS 143.3. IT IS 
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300,000 LESS THAN WHAT WAS APPROPRIATED LAST YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THAT'S AVAILABLE FROM A GENERAL FUND STANDPOINT FOR NEXT YEAR. YOU KNOW WE HAVE SOME COST THAT HAS TO GO UP IN TERMS OF FILLING VACANCIES AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR COST TO THE MATRIX, THE COST INCREASES. SO, YOU KNOW WE HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SOME CUTS TO SOME DEPARTMENTS AND FIGURE OUT WAYS TO DO THINGS MORE EFFICIENTLY. CUT BACK ON EMPLOYEE TRAVEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE THIS BUDGET WORK AND I KNOW SOME OF THESE THINGS WHETHER THEY ARE NOT YET COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD OR UNPOPULAR IS JUST HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER , THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH MONEY TO GO AROUND AND HOW DO WE REWRITE A BUDGET THAT FITS WITHIN AVAILABLE AVENUES. 
          >> IS THAT TOTAL REVENUE? WE HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. IS THAT GENERAL REVENUE? FOR THE BUDGET? 
          >> THAT'S A GENERAL FUND NUMBER I AM CITING. 
          >> I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CONCEPT OF MARKETIG AND COMMUNICATIONS AND YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER ABOUT ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU FELT WHEN YOU STARTED WITH THIS NEW STRUCTURE YOU SAVED MONEY AND YOU HAD MORE EFFICIENCIES AND IF THAT IS SO, THEN TO ME THAT RING IN MY EARS AS THIS IS WORKING FOR WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR WE SAVE MONEY IN THE DEPARTMENT. SO I WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER COUNSELORS HAVE, MAYBE I HAVE MISSED IT. BUT I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS, BECAUSE IF THOSE NUMBERS ARE ADDING UP TO A BETTER MORE EFFICIENT MORE EFFECTIVE DEPARTMENT. THEN, WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS, FROM WHAT YOU SAID. 
          >> I CAN PULL PER THE EVENT AND LOOK AT THE COST OF EVENTS. AND THEN SEE WHERE WE SAVE MONEY IN THE EVENTS OR AT THAT POINT WE DON'T NEED TO SAVE MONEY BUT WE ARE ABLE TO ADD MORE TO THE EVENT, BUT THERE WAS THE SAVINGS THAT WAS THERE AND I CAN PULL IT 
          UP. >> I KNOW WE HAVE 47 EVENTS BUT SOME OF THE CONVERSATION INEFFICIENCIES ABOUT WHICH EVENTS ARE ECONOMIC DRIVERS, GOOD DEVELOPMENT, OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY WHICH MAY BE HAVE UNDERPERFORMED AND HOW DO WE EVALUATE THAT AS POTENTIAL SAVINGS BECAUSE YES I AGREE WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO WORK WITH BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENT WAY TO STRUCTURE THAT CONVERSATION SO I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THOSE ISSUES IF YOU CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND. 
          >> WE ARE LOOKING AT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND WHITE IS SUCCESSFUL OR NOT AND THAT WOULD BE ATTENDANCE , RECORDS, THE SENTIMENT THAT IT HAS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, IF IT HAS GONE WELL OR NOT AND THEN THERE IS IF WE FIT INTO THE BUDGET FOR IT. 
          >> THE COST OF THE EVENT VERSUS THE PERCEIVED RETURNED REVENUE TO THE CITY JUST LIKE WE DO WITH EVERYTHING ELSE? THE ARTS AND OTHER THINGS WHERE WE SAY THIS IS ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE CITY. 
          >> WE HAVE NOT DONE A CITY LIKE THAT ON THE EVENTS, THE ONLY STUDY DONE HAS BEEN ON THE MARKET. 
          >> COUNCILOR SNYDER AND THEN COUNCILOR WORRELL AND IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS LET ME KNOW BECAUSE OTHERWISE I WANT TO GET TO THE REST OF ARTS SUPPORT AND OPERATIONS. 
          >> THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF PROCEDURAL THINGS. ONE CONCERN I MIGHT HAVE , ONE YOU TALK ABOUT ACCESS TO DEDICATED FUNDS AND YOU REFERENCE THE ICE RINK. ONCE THIS NOT-FOR-PROFIT WOULD HAVE THOSE, THEN , THAT ICE RINK HAS A LOT OF PROBLEMS SO YOU INHERIT THE PROBLEMS, AS WELL OR WOULD IT NEED TO BE RELOCATED SOMEWHERE THAT'S NOT A DRAIN ON INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE WOULD THAT THE DOLLARS AND THE FUNDS YOU WOULD WANT ACCESS TO? JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE OF DO WE LOSE CONTROL OVER THINGS AND THEN WE LOSE, THE COUNCIL LOSES CONTROL AND EVEN THE ADMINISTRATION LOSES CONTROL OVER SOME CRITICAL DECISION-MAKING OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE EVENTUALLY, AND I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN TO NEARLY EVERY 
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NOT-FOR-PROFIT, THE BIGGEST DONORS GET THE BOARD SEATS THAT'S JUST A FACT OF LIFE. AND THEN HAVE CONCERNS, WE KEEP BRINGING UP DWALI AS AN EXAMPLE, WHAT'S TO SAY GOOD EVENTS THAT START MAKING MONEY LIKE DWALI WHICH REALLY THE ORGANIZERS OF THAT EVENT I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND WITH THE APPROVAL FROM DPW IN COORDINATION WITH THE STREET DEPARTMENT DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN A FACEBOOK POST THAN THE CITY DOES NOT TAKE OVER THOSE EVENTS BECAUSE THEY SEE THE DOLLARS NOT THE CITY, THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT BECAUSE THEY SEE DOLLARS AND THEY RUN SHORT ON DONATIONS FOR WHATEVER REASON AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOSE. 
          I HAVE SAID IT AND IT WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM CRYSTAL-CLEAR. 
          RIGHT NOW I KNOW WE HAVE A BUDGET FROM MAC WITH FOUR PEOPLE. THAT'S IT. SO I DON'T SEE US FUNDING. BASED ON WHAT I AM HEARING I DON'T SEE US DOING THE GRANT , MOVING OR ALLOCATING THE MONEY APPROPRIATING THE MONEY. AND YOU WILL HAVE A MAC DEPARTMENT WITH FOUR PEOPLE AND YOU ARE UNEMPLOYED YOURSELF, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CRYSTAL-CLEAR WITHOUT ALTERNATIVE BUDGET THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO. AND THEN I LOOK ONLINE BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE HAVE YOU GUYS FILED ANYTHING? WELL, NO YOU HAVEN'T, YOU DO NOT RESERVE THE EXPERIENCE CARMEL NAME. I DID JUST NOW WHICH I WILL OBVIOUSLY GIVE TO YOU, BUT I WENT TO THE PROCESS. IF IT WAS THIS MEANINGFUL , LIKE WE HAVE DONE NOTHING. SO AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY. MY OPINION I THINK IS PRETTY CLEAR THERE'S NO REASON TO BELABOR THE POINT THIS YEAR I DON'T SEE A PATH FORWARD AND IF YOU HAVE A BUDGET EMPLOYEES USE UP JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL 
          TRANSPARENT. >> COUNCILOR WORRELL AND AFTER THAT, ALTHOUGH COUNSELOR TAYLOR WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. 
          >> THANK YOU, OKAY SO I JUST WANT TO DRILL DOWN SO, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO SOME HOMEWORK WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS SO WHEN WE LOOK AT TOTAL REVENUE FOR THE CITY NEXT YEAR VERSUS THIS YEAR DO WE GET 3% MORE REVENUE NEXT YEAR VERSUS THIS 
          YEAR? >> TALKING ABOUT ALL FUNDS NOT 
          JUST GENERAL FUND? >> LET'S TALK ABOUT REVENUE. I DIDN'T CLARIFY THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE TELLING ME. I GUESS YOU COULD ANSWER GF IF YOU WANT TO. 
          >> I WOULD SAY GENERAL FUND IS FLAT, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF NOISE , WHEN I SAY FLAT SOMEBODY COULD SAY WELL, THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX HOW THAT HAS WORKED, YOU CAN PROBABLY SPEND OR SPIN THAT, IT'S NOT FLAT IT'S DOWN A LITTLE BIT OR IT'S NOT FLAT IT SLIGHTLY UP, IN MY MIND TAKE OUT THE NOISE AND THE CHANGES TO THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX , THE OVERALL BUDGET AND AVAILABLE REVENUE FROM 25 TO 26 IS NEGATIVE. 
          >> NOW I'M NOT TALKING BUDGET. I WANT TO KNOW THE REVENUE. AND I JUST WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR SO I WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT TO THE TAXPAYERS, I WANT TO DEAL WITH REALITY, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IN MY MIND HAVING DONE THIS A FEW YEARS THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE TO WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET VERSUS WHAT WE GET SO YOU KNOW THAT'S ALWAYS, IN MY MIND, KIND OF NOT FAIR TO THE TAXPAYERS. WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET 10 MILLION MORE THAN WE DID SO I'M ASKING LET'S START WITH YES OR NO. ARE WE RECEIVING 3% MORE REVENUE NEXT YEAR THAN THIS YEAR? 
          >> FROM A GENERAL FUND STANDPOINT, NO. ALL OTHER FUNDS IT WOULD BE HARD TO GIVE YOU LIKE A REAL YES OR NO ANSWER BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS LIKE OKAY WE HAVE BUDGETED AS IF WE GET THE NEW REVENUE FROM THE WHEEL TAX AND SURTAX NEXT YEAR. 
          HOW DO WE SCORE THAT TOWARD LIKE THE 3% NUMBER? WE HAVE ASSUMED THERE WILL BE A 2025 LEASE RENTAL BOND, WE PUT AN APPROPRIATION IN TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS. THAT REVENUE TECHNICALLY IS NOT HERE YET, SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GIVE A 
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MEANINGFUL, IS THE OVERALL REVENUE UP 3%? IF I LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, IT IS FLAT TO DOWN DEPENDING ON HOW YOU 
          LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS. >> I HAVE TO SQUARE THAT WITH A FINANCIAL ADVISOR BECAUSE THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME. YOU HAVE NOT HEARD THAT BEFORE? OKAY THANK YOU. REAL QUICK IN MY LAST BIT OF TIME. WHEN I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS YOU SAY YOU HAVE SAVED MONEY FROM THE OLD SYSTEM VERSUS THE NEW SYSTEM. IS THAT TRUE? AND THEN COUNCILOR JOSHI EXPANDED ON THAT AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT COST PER EVENT YOU SAVE MONEY YES OR NO? 
          >> I WOULD SAY YES. I WOULD SAY, LIKE NOT EVERY EVENT BECAUSE SOME COST WENT UP AND ICE WENT UP SO WE DID NOT SAVE MONEY ON THE FESTIVAL OF ICE BUT WE HAVE WHERE IT WAS NOT INCREASED DUE TO COST BECAUSE A CERTAIN PARTICULAR THING LIKE THE ICE 
          WENT UP WE SAVED MONEY. >> YES SO I COULD SEE HOW YOU MIGHT SAVE MONEY COST PER EVENT , BUT ARE YOU FACTORING INTO THE FACT THAT WE NOW HAVE 16 EMPLOYEES AND THOSE PERSONNEL COSTS AND HOW THE EMPLOYEE COST TO THE CITY GO UP EXPONENTIALLY AS WE ARE ALL DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW, SO ARE YOU APPLYING THE FACT WE HIRED SIX MORE PEOPLE OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, FULL-TIME VIDEOGRAPHER, FULL-TIME CHANNEL, FULL-TIME EVENT PLANNERS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF IS THAT GOING INTO 
          URINALYSIS? >> WITH THAT WE ARE RELATIVELY FLAT BUT I CAN GIVE YOU SPECIFIC NUMBERS. 
          >> I THINK SO, LET'S BE FAIR BECAUSE IF YOU'RE REDUCING CONTRACT COST I GET THAT WHAT IF WE HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES SHOWING UP TO THE EVENT THAT ARE EACH MAKING WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, THEN TO BE FAIR WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          >> THIS IS WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THE ERP, BETTER NUMBERS FROM FINANCIALS, IF YOU RECALL DISCUSSING LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND THROUGH ARC WE DON'T HAVE THE LINE OF DETAIL NECESSARY TO TRACK EVERY EVENT BY HOUR. SHE HAS SOME GENERIC NUMBERS BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. 
          >> WHATEVER STATS SHE DOES HAVE, IF I HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES GOING. 
          >> JUST REMEMBER WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE NEED MORE ROBUST ABILITY TO ATTRACT THESE. 
          >> OKAY FAIR. >> NEXT UP IS COUNSELOR TAYLOR AND THEN WE CAN GET TO COUNCILOR MINNAAR AND COUNCILOR LOCKE. 
          COUNSELOR TAYLOR YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTION. 
          >> THANK YOU. I WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND MAYBE DIRECT SOME PEOPLE TO BEST PRACTICES USED ACROSS THE STATE OF INDIANA. THERE IS A NATIONALLY ACCREDITED MODEL AND A INDIAN ACCREDITED MODEL FOR A MAIN STREET ORGANIZATION. THESE ORGANIZATIONS TYPICALLY HANDLE THE EVENTS AND ORGANIZATION RELATED TO MAIN STREET EVENT ACTIVITY SUCH AS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. THERE IS A ACCREDITATION PROCESS TO WHERE YOU RECEIVE ACCREDITATION THROUGH THE STATE OF INDIANA DEPARTMENT AND ALSO A NATIONALLY ACCREDITED MODEL TO DELIVER THESE TYPES OF EVENTS AND PROGRAMMING. I WOULD, I MENTIONED TO THE MAYOR, I DIRECT THIS TO OTHER COUNSELORS. THIS OPENS UP NATIONAL AND STATE LEVEL GRANTS FOR A MAIN STREET ORGANIZATION SO I WANTED TO MENTION THAT. WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TODAY IS DIFFERENT FROM A MAIN STREET ORGANIZATION, BUT MAYBE A PROVEN ACCREDITED MODEL COULD BE HYBRID OF WHAT'S PROPOSED TODAY THAT COULD BE AFFECTED. I DO TELL THE MAYOR AND OTHERS I SHARE CONCERNS ABOUT CERTAIN STRATEGIC MARKETING GOING TO OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION. RELATED TO EVENTS THERE IS AN ACCREDITED MODEL WE DON'T HAVE TO RE-CREATE THE WHEEL THAT CREATES A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY GO DOWN THAT PATH, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR THE 
          OPPORTUNITY. >> COUNCILOR LOCKE AND THEN 
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          COUNCILOR MINNAAR. >> ONE OF THE THINGS GOING ON HERE IS THE BUDGET YOU PRESENTED IS SO RAZOR THIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE INITIAL HEARING SO PART OF THE PROCESS GOING THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSIONS ARE HOW DO WE FIND THAT ? WE ARE CAPABLE OF CUTTING THE BUDGET AND THAT WILL COME BACK FOR DISCUSSION MOVING FORWARD BUT THE IDEA OF WHAT IS THE NEED SPECIFICALLY FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT, THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION, THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST WHY IS THERE NO OTHER OPTION BASED ON THE FINANCIAL REALITY AND STRUCTURE OF WHAT THE CITY NEEDS FROM MARKETING AND THE EVENT SIDE, I COMBINED THEM AND WE SEE THAT IS THE SAME THING BUT THE QUESTION OF THE ABOVE REVENUE IN GENERAL FUND, WE TALK ABOUT GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THAT'S THE OPERATIONAL MONEY OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WITH A LOT OF REVENUE GOING TO THAT WITH STREETS AND OTHER THINGS BUT FOR EXAMPLE THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX ALLOCATED TO THE GENERAL FUND IN THE PAST IS NOW ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL FUND 7.5 MILLION INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET WHERE USING 4 MILLION IN THIS BUDGET TO BUY DOWN THE LEASE TO SAVE ELSEWHERE. SO, THERE IS MORE MONEY APPROPRIATED IN THIS BUDGET TAKING CARE OF NEEDS AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE CAN GET CREATIVE FOCUSING ON THE GENERAL FUND AND WHAT IT IS DOING IT APPEARS TO BE DOWN BUT THE OTHER FUNDS IN THE PAST SUPPORTING THOSE INITIATIVES AND THINGS LIKE THE WHEEL TAX THAT DRAWDOWN NEED FOR APPROPRIATION , WE DO HAVE A MORE CREATIVE APPROACH. I SAY THAT AS WE LOOK AT THIS YEAR AND NEXT TO CHANGES IF THERE'S NOT CHANGES LEGISLATIVELY AT THE STATE LEVEL TO GIVE US MORE BUDGETARY OPTIONS WE WILL HAVE LESS REVENUE NEXT YEAR NOT TO GET RID OF THE GRAPH OF WHAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN BEFORE THE SCA BECAUSE WE WILL BE SO FAR BEYOND IT NEVER EXISTED. BUT WE NEED TO FIND SOME FLOAT ANYWAY SO THE IDEA OF GOING INTO A TIME OF SAVINGS AND PAYING DOWN THE CAPITAL LEASE THAT MAKES SENSE TO PAY DOWN IS A WONDERFUL FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO. BUT THE IDEA OF HAVING MORE THAN $1000 MARGIN IN APPROPRIATION COMING FROM THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH NOW FOR WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING MOVING FORWARD IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. I SAY THAT LET'S GET CREATIVE, STRETCH GOALS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY MONEY-SAVING NONPROFITS IN THE FUTURE. WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR CERTAIN, WE PROBABLY KNOW IT NEEDS MORE AND IT WILL TAKE MORE TO DO THAT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE SPACE OF THE EXTERNAL THING MAKING SURE IT'S OKAY HE WILL SEE DIFFERENT NEEDS AND REQUIREMENTS THERE THAT PUT US IN A DIFFERENT POSITION. SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR AGAIN THAT THERE IS NOT A WAY BECAUSE THE WHOLE BUDGET, WE CAN CHANGE EVERYTHING IF WE WANT TO FROM HERE UNTIL THE END OF THE PROCESS TO PUT US IN THE POSITION WE HAVE TO AS A CITY TO DO THE BEST THINGS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          >> COUNCILOR MINNAAR. >> I WANT TO BACK UP ONE LAST TIME TO REITERATE COMMENTS THAT I MADE AND I WANT TO TELL YOU I DID PULL DATA FROM THE BUDGET FROM YOUR BUDGET COME THE CONTRACTORS WERE USED FROM 24 FROM YOUR BUDGET COME THE CONTRACTORS WERE USED FROM 2423, 24 , 25. I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME CREDIT THAT YOU DID REDUCE CONTRACT OBLIGATIONS WITH MONEY SPENT THROUGH THAT SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU KUDOS. WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE PURPOSE OF EFFICIENCY OR PURPOSE OF EFFICIENCY WE MAY SAVE AROUND $405,000 OF CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. THROUGH JUNE OF THIS YEAR 2025. I DON'T WITH THE FINAL DOLLAR AMOUNT WILL BE BUT IT IS LIKELY LESS THAN WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT NOW BUT WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU WHEN WE LOOK AT EFFICIENCIES AND THE BUDGET AS A WHOLE AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE COST SAVINGS HELP US AND WHAT ARE THE EFFICIENCIES THAT CAME FROM THAT TO ALL OF THEIR POINTS WHERE WE GOING WITH THIS? IT WAS DATA I 
          COULD PULL OFF. >> CAN YOU SAY THE NUMBER AGAIN? 
          >> 2024 WE PAID $446,181.35. >> ACTUAL OR PROPOSED? 
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          >> AMOUNT PAID IN 2024. >> I FORWARDED THIS INFORMATION TO ALL OF YOU. JUNE 2025 WE HAVE PAID $40,516. 
          >> ONE LAST COMMENT IF THAT'S OKAY AND THEN WE CAN GET TO THE REST OF THE SUPPORT AND BUDGETS. I TOLD PEOPLE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WE HAVE ANOTHER SCHEDULED ON THE 23RD AND IF WE NEED EXTRA SCHEDULED I WILL DO THAT SO WE ARE NOT TRYING TO STIFLE DISCUSSION. I APPRECIATE YOUR POINTS SAVING MONEY ON CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS AND AT THE SAME TIME PERSONNEL COST FOR THE MARKETING INCREASED BY 78% FROM BEFORE THE MAYOR TOOK OFFICE AND KEEP IN MIND BEFORE THE MAYOR TOOK OFFICE IT WAS COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPLIT INTO TWO DEPARTMENTS, IF YOU CONSIDER THAT THERE'S A DOUBLING A PERSONAL COST FROM BEFORE OF US TO THAT SO WE DID SAVE MONEY ON CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS BUT WE TOOK MORE IN-HOUSE AND AS YOU MENTIONED INSURANCE BENEFITS HAVING IT AS CITY EMPLOYEE ALLOWS MORE CONTROL BUT DOES NOT NECESSARILY SAVE US MONEY. THE POINT WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE DO, THIS IDEA COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO PROCEED WITH? THE COUNCIL IS LIMITED WITHIN OPTIONS. THE COUNCIL CANNOT INCREASE ANY ITEM IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET, WE CAN ASK HER TO AND WILL GET INTO THE ARTS MONEY HERE. WE CANNOT INCREASE HER BUDGET, WE CAN CUT , WE CAN DECREASE, WE CAN UNAPPROPRIATE, THE MONEY IS COLLECTED BUT KEPT IN THE GENERAL FUND AND LATER CAN BE APPROPRIATED WITH CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL BUT WE CANNOT INCREASE THE ITEMS SO WE ARE LIMITED WITHIN OUR OPTION, WE CAN CUT THE ARTS GRANT FROM THE BUDGET , WE CAN UNAPPROPRIATE IT SITTING IN THE GENERAL FUND AND LATER THE COUNCIL COULD TAKE ACTION TO MOVE THE MONEY WHEN A DETAILED PLAN IS PRESENTED OR IF WE DON'T HAVE VOTES TO DO EITHER OF THOSE I WOULD BE PREPARED , I CANNOT SUPPORT THE BUDGET WITH THIS IN THERE BUT I THINK WE WILL SOLVE SOMETHING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE DOWN THE ENTIRE BUDGET. ANY OTHER LAST 
          COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS? >> THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP IS SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT THE COST WAS FOR SAVINGS VERSUS PAYROLL AND WHERE THE COST-SAVING IS. THANK YOU FOR 
          BRINGING IT UP. >> ALREADY A LITTLE BEHIND SCHEDULE SO WANT TO MOVE TO ART SUPPORT AND OPERATIONS. MINUS EXPERIENCE, BUT THAT'S OKAY. WE WILL KEEP DISCUSSION TO THE OTHER AREAS. ZACH ARE YOU THE ONE PRESENT? 
          >> I AM. KIERSTEN IS PASSING OUT THE PACKET. THIS LINE IN THE BUT IT WAS REFERRED TO AS BUILDING OPERATIONS. WE TRIED TO GET MORE, IT WAS UNCLEAR WHICH BUILDINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND THERE WERE SOME OPERATIONAL COST SO WE TRY TO DEFINE IT AS THE ARTS SUPPORT, THE GRANTS, THE ART GRANTS. THE MANAGEMENT FEE TO THE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS, THE OTHER EXPENSES THAT WE REIMBURSE THE CENTER FOR, FOR MAINTAINING PALLADIUM AND RAI FOR THE JAMES BUILDING SO A LOT OF THINGS IN THIS BUDGET DO NOT FIT ANYWHERE ELSE SO WE HAVE COMBINED THEM. ARTS SUPPORT AND OPERATIONS IS USED TO OPERATE THE COST OF THE PALLADIUM CENTER , SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS GRANTS AND THE JAMES BUILDING. AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED WE ARE INCLUDING THE ALMOST 1.8 MILLION GRANT FOR EXPERIENCED CARMEL IN THIS BUDGET AND AGAIN YOU ARE AWARE OF THE PURPOSE BUT TO ENTER THE KEY CULTURAL FACILITIES AND EVENTS ARE MADE SAFE AND FUNCTIONAL, WELL-MAINTAINED SUPPORTING PUBLIC ASSESS AND NEEDS OF THE STAFF INVOLVED IN THE ARTS COMMUNITY. SO THIS YEAR WE MADE SOME INVESTMENTS , WITH THE PALLADIUM, THERE WAS A MAJOR LIGHTING PROJECT. IMPLEMENTED AGAIN THE PALLADIUM WAS OPENED IN 2010. MY PAST EXPERIENCE IN 
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FACILITIES MANAGEMENT TELLS ME WHEN YOU GET THE ASSET 10, 15, 20 YEARS A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL COMPONENTS WILL START TO FAIL AND THAT'S WHAT WE SEE NOW, THE LIGHTING SYSTEMS, MICROPHONE SYSTEMS, EVEN SEATING AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE NEARING THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE OR THEY ARE AT THE END OF USEFUL LIFE AND FAILING AND WE ARE REPLACING THOSE. THEN AGAIN WE REPLACED CONSULS AND INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THE LIGHTING PROJECT , THE FIXTURES THEMSELVES. IN THE THIRD PHASE WE FUNDED FOR NEXT YEAR BUT COULD NOT AFFORD TO PAY CASH SO WE ARE CAPITAL LEASING THE THIRD PHASE OF THE LIGHTING PROJECT FOR TARKINGTON . WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS THE MANAGEMENT FEE FOR THE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS HISTORICALLY THAT STARTED AT 2.5 MILLION, AND 2017 REDUCED TO 2.25 MILLION AND OUR BUDGET PROPOSES REDUCING THAT BY ANOTHER 100,000 TO 2.15 AS THE MANAGEMENT FEE FOR THE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS. THE OVERALL ARTS GRANTS WE HAVE AT 1.25 WITH A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY LEFT OVER FROM THIS YEAR. FROM THIS YEAR THE APPROPRIATION AS WELL. THIS IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT TO BE DISTRIBUTED OUT AS FAR AS THE ARTS GRANTS GO. OKAY THEN CONTRACT SERVICES, IN A MINUTE I HAVE A PIE CHART THAT ADDS MORE CLARITY , BUT FROM A CONTRACT SERVICE STANDPOINT WE BUDGETED 3.1 MILLION, FOR NEXT YEAR. THAT IS THE VARIOUS NEEDS THAT WE REIMBURSE THE CENTER FOR, EVERY YEAR. THINGS LIKE WE PAY FOR PART OF THE SECURITY COST, THE MAINTENANCE COST, UTILITIES, THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENSES FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE BUILDING WHICH IS OUR ASSET THAT WE PAY FOR AND MOST OF THOSE ARE PAID FOR BY THE CENTER FIRST AND THEN ON ROUGHLY A MONTHLY BASIS THEY INVOICE US AND WE REIMBURSE THEM. IN TOTAL, THEY HAD REQUESTED AND EVERY YEAR, IT HAPPENS A FEW TIMES A YEAR WE SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THE CAPITAL NEEDS, THE INVESTMENTS THAT THE CENTER NEEDS FOR FAILING COMPONENTS, IF YOU WILL. THIS YEAR WITH BUDGET CHALLENGES THEY CAME WITH A LIST AND WE KIND OF SAID WHAT HAS TO BE DONE IN 26 VERSUS WE AGREE THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE BUT WE CANNOT AFFORD IT IN 26 MAYBE IT IS A 27 OR 28 PROJECTS. WE EVENTUALLY GOT THAT LIST DOWN TO $700,000 WORTH OF PROJECTS THAT THEY NEED AND THAT IS IN COMPARISON TO THE APPROXIMATELY 1 MILLION THAT WE CASH FUNDED IN THE CURRENT YEAR FOR THE LIGHTING PROJECT. 700,000, FOR NEXT YEAR WE ULTIMATELY HAVE BROKEN IN , THE RIGHT NUMBER 700,000? I MIGHT COME BACK TO WHETHER THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER, IN MY HEAD I HAD 700,000. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY CASH FOR THOSE PROJECTS FOR NEXT YEAR SO, THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE CAN USE A CAPITAL LEASE FOR, BY DISTURBING THE COST OVER FIVE YEARS , WE ARE COVERING AT LEAST THE MINIMAL USEFUL LIFE, BUT AGAIN WE CANNOT AFFORD TO CASH FUND SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR SO WE HAVE REDUCED TO PAYING FOR IT THROUGH A CAPITAL LEASE. UTILITY COSTS RUN ABOUT 759,000, WE HAVE BUDGETED THAT FOR NEXT YEAR AND THEN AGAIN I HAVE TWO PIE CHARTS THAT EXPLAIN HOW THE DOLLARS HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED FOR BOTH THE 25 AS WELL AS 26. HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THIS, BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE IS THE ENERGY CENTER PAYMENT MADE BY THE CITY EVERY YEAR TO CRC . 
          >> I THINK WE ARE REAY FOR QUESTIONS. 
          >> WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST? COUNCILOR SNYDER. I WILL TRY TO MIX UP THE ORDER, BUT POINT TO ME IF YOU WANT TO GET IN THERE. 
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          >> THANK YOU. A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I WILL START WITH THE FIRST QUESTION, THE LIGHTING, FOR INSTANCE. WHY WASN'T THAT PART OF THE REIMBURSABLE? WHY WOULD THAT BE SEGREGATED OUT? IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE REIMBURSABLE. 
          >> YEAH, AS YOU ARE AWARE, THERE HAS BEEN KIND OF MULTIPLE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE BETWEEN THE CITY, CRC AND THE CENTER. I DO NOT THINK UP UNTIL THE SUMMER THERE HAD BEEN A SPECIFIC AGREEMENT IN PLACE REGARDING HOW SOME OF THESE THINGS WOULD BE HANDLED FOR THE OTHER THEATERS AND THINGS. SO, FOR THE TARKINGTON, THAT DID NOT FIT INTO THE NORMAL REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WHICH WAS PALLADIUM CENTER SPECIFIC. SO WE HAD TO ENTER INTO A NEW TYPE OF AGREEMENT FOR HOW WE ARE GOING, WHETHER IT IS GRANT DOLLARS OR RECOVERING EXPENSES, FOR THE TARKINGTON SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS HANDLED OUTSIDE OF THAT. 
          >> OKAY FOR THE MANAGEMENT FEE WHICH IS A REDUCTION OF $100,000, MAYBE THAT IS WHAT IT IS, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE CENTER THAT SAYS YEAH, WE HAD THE CONVERSATION AND WE THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FEE SHOULD BE. 
          AND, THE OVERARCHING QUESTION THAT I HAVE AND YOU JUST REFERENCED IT IS WE DO HAVE ALL OF THESE AGREEMENTS, THAT ARE DEFINED WITH NO FOLLOW-THROUGH FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION OR ANYBODY HERE, IT IS ILL-DEFINED, POORLY WRITTEN CONTRACTS. AND I HAVE A HARD TIME WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND , SO IN LIEU OF WORDS ON PAPER WE HAVE HISTORICAL DATA, WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, WE HAVE KIND OF OUR WORD . SO, TO ME THE BETTER APPROACH , MIGHT BE BEFORE WE START MAKING CUTS, GETTING THE LEGAL TEAM AND EVERYBODY'S LEGAL TEAMS TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHERS. WE HAVE FOUND AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT CONFLICTS WITH VARIOUS CONTRACTS FOR THE GENERAL GEOGRAPHIC AREA. 
          SO PROBABLY NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND AGREE ON CONTRACTS THAT ARE MORE LEGALLY BINDING BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME AT THIS POINT ANYBODY CAN GET INTO ANY SORT OF DRAWNOUT LITIGIOUS NONSENSE. 
          I'M NOT SEEING ANY ENTITY HERE INVOLVED WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE EVERYBODY HERE HAS THE CITY IN MIND, DIRECTORS CHANGE, ORGANIZATIONS CHANGE, SO I AM NOT IN LOVE WITH AND WOULD NOT ADVOCATE OR PROBABLY SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OF THE $100,000 ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS. IT'S JUST LIKE HEY HERE YOU GO. FINALLY AND I WILL SPARE EVERYBODY THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ARTS. SPIEL , BUT AND HAVE MORE UNDERSTANDING HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE MAYOR ABOUT WHAT WAS SENT THIS YEAR AND WHAT WAS PROPOSED THIS YEAR. I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST YEAR AND ONE THING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS WE LOOK AT THIS AS AN ASSET. I TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE PALLADIUM CENTER TO SEEK MORE REVENUE AND I THINK WE SHOULD. I THINK IT WOULD BE SILLY IF WE DID NOT TRY, BUT IT IS STILL A COMMUNITY ASSET AND REALLY IN MY EXPERIENCE IT'S ONE OF THE LAST BASTIONS OF TRUE PERFORMANCES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SOLD OUT BECAUSE , AND I CAN LOOK AT AGREE HANCOCK AND HIS DANCE IS PURE DANCE. IT HAS NOT BEEN COMMERCIALIZED FOR SALES. THERE IS NO BLOOD AND GORE TO GET PEOPLE IN THE SEATS AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF. WHILE IT MAY NOT DRAW THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE, IT IS CARRYING ON SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS SINCE THE GREEKS OF THE PURENESS OF ART AND I STRUGGLE WITH HAVING TO COMMERCIALIZE TO THE POINT TO WHERE IT LOSES WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. SO IN THAT, THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY. IF WE HAVE ALWAYS SAID OR HISTORICALLY WE HAVE SAID 1% OF THE BUDGET FUNDS THE ART AND LAST YEAR I RECALL SAYING AND MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE 
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DID AS WELL. THEY ARE ON A DIFFERENT FISCAL CYCLE. THEY NEED TO BE MADE AWARE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE CUT BEFORE THEIR FISCAL YEAR ENDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE THEIR BUDGETS. 
          NOW HERE WE ARE UNDOING THEIR BUDGETS WITHOUT A WARNING. 
          BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE ONE, THE CITY DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE WHOLE SENATE BILL WAS GOING TO DO. BUT NOW WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE THE DOLLAR LINE LOOKS SHORT AND I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION THAT IT IS NOT REALLY SHORT AND THE COMMITMENT YOU ARE BRINGING IT UP BASED ON UNSPENT DOLLARS MY UNDERSTANDING, 1% OF THE BUDGET, AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CLEARLY? CAN SOMEBODY UNDERSTAND 
          THAT ? >> NOT EXACTLY, THE ARTS GRANTS LINE ITEM 2 YEARS AGO WAS 1.27 MILLION SPENT, LAST YEAR WAS 1.35 GIVE OR TAKE , THIS YEAR IS 1.25, SLIGHTLY LESS BUT WE WILL PRIORITIZE RESIDENT COMPANIES FOR FUNDING AS WE SHOULD. I BELIEVE WE HAD 25 DIFFERENT ENTITIES EITHER APPLY OR RECEIVE GRANTS. I DON'T BELIEVE RESIDENT COMPANIES WILL BE HURT. 
          >> LOVE THE PRIORITIZATION OF RESIDENT COMPANIES AND I HAVE A CONCISE LIST OF THAT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH WHERE WE WROTE CHECKS DO WE HAVE AN EASILY ACCESSIBLE LIST OF WHO WOULD 
          FALL AFTER THAT ? >> A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH WILL 
          FIND IT. WE CAN GET IT TO YOU. >> I WILL FIND IT. 
          >> COUNCILOR MINNAAR. >> MAYOR FINKHAM I AM GRATEFUL TO HEAR YOU SAY WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT PRIORITIZING RESIDENT COMPANIES. THAT BRINGS ME A LOT OF PEACE OFFICIALLY GIVEN BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. SO WITH THAT SAID , I HEARD ZACH SAY WE HAD LEFTOVER DOLLARS NONAPPROPRIATED , FOR THE 25 BUDGET. FOR THE ART GRANTS, SO IF WE DID NOT HAVE THOSE APPROPRIATIONS, THE UNAPPROPRIATED MONEY , IN THE BANK WE HAVE HAD TO CUT FURTHER ON THE ARTS BUDGET MEANING WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DROP SUPPORT EVEN MORE? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? WE ARE NOT CARING OVER 
          THOSE DOLLARS. >> TO CLARIFY, THOSE ARE APPROPRIATED WE JUST DID NOT OBLIGATE ALL OF THOSE DOLLARS 
          THIS YEAR. >> WE HAD 5.2 MILLION UNDER SPENDING THIS YEAR SO THAT'S PART OF THE UNDER SPEND. UNDER SPEND WILL PAY FOR THE E'S HELPING TO PAY OFF DEBT NOW FOR FUTURE YEARS. CORRECT ANYTHING I SAID? 
          >> WE HAVE NOT USED ANY DOLLARS IN THIS FUND TO PAY OFF ANY 
          CAPITAL LEASE. CORRECT. >> SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE COUNCIL LAST YEAR AND PREVIOUS YEARS APPROPRIATE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO GO TO THE ARTS GRANTS, NOT ALL THAT MONEY WAS SPENT ON THE ARTS. IT WILL BE SPENT ON SOMETHING ELSE? 
          >> THE GENERAL FUND THEN GET SPENT ON SOMETHING ELSE. 
          >> IN TERMS OF NOT ALL THE DOLLARS APPROPRIATED BY THE COUNCIL IN 25 WERE MATCHED TO A GRANT DISTRIBUTED. 
          >> THEY WERE NOT SPENT ON THE ARTS. 
          >> THEY ARE ON TRACK TO REVERT BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND AT THE 
          END OF THE YEAR. >> LET ME CLARIFY IT IS EXECUTIVE DECISION AND AUTHORITY TO UNDER SPEND ANY BUDGET APPROPRIATED SO WE DID THAT ACROSS THE BOARD TO TRY TO GET TO MAKE SURE WE HAD RETURNING DOLLARS. 
          >> I UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE BUILT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE ARTS, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT IS FUN TO GO TO A SHOW. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THAT IT'S BECAUSE IT IS A REVENUE GENERATOR FOR THE CITY. THERE ARE MULTIPLE STUDIES. YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS, OR EVERY DOLLAR SPENT ON THE  ARTS IN THE COMMUNITY, $49 ARE THEN CREATED FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES, FOR TAX DOLLARS SO THE LESS WE SPEND ON ARTS , THE LESS WE HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT WHICH HAS BEEN PART OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY. % UNDERSTAND WE ARE SAVING MONEY, RUNNING A BUSINESS THE LAST THINGS YOU CUT GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE TALK ABOUT CUTS , CUTS, CUTS. WE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT 
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HOW DO WE GROW THE TECH SPACE, HOW DO WE GROW ECONOMY? FOR MORE THAN A DECADE WE SAID ARTS WAS THE WAY TO DO THAT. SO I WANT TO KIND A POINT THAT OUT, THE $200,000 FOR LOCAL COMPANIES FOR THINGS, THOSE ARE GOING AWAY NOT ONLY A SMALLER PIE, BUT WE DID NOT EVEN GIVE OUT ALL THE PIECES LAST YEAR. AND THEN LESS MONEY GOES TO THE ARTS WHICH COULD MEAN LESS RIPPLE EFFECT WHEN IT 
          COMES TO OUR COMMUNITY. >> THAT IS A FANTASTIC CONVERSATION THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL THIS YEAR, BUT THE REALITY IS WE HAVE A BUDGET WHERE THERE'S LOTS OF MATHS TWO FEET AND WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EFFECT IS AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS. I CANNOT LOOK AT OUR DEPARTMENTS LIKE POLICE AND FIRE AND STREETS AND ON AND ON AND SAY TAKE A HAIRCUT FOR ALL YOU REQUESTE AND NOT SAY THAT , HAVE THE MAJOR ARTS LINE WITH A GRANTS FUND LINE. I DON'T WANT A MINIMUM AMOUNT WE ARE ASKING WITH A TINY REDUCTION HERE TRYING TO APPLY ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY. 
          >> YOU DON'T WANT THE CONVERSATION TO BE ONE 
          DEPARTMENT VERSUS ANOTHER, >> IT WASN'T UNTIL YOU BROUGHT 
          UP ARTS VERSUS EVERYBODY ELSE. >> I MENTIONED THE IMPACT THE ARTS HAS ON GENERATING REVENUE FOR THE CITY. I DO NOT SAY THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD CUT THE OTHER DEPARTMENT. I NEVER SAID 
          THAT. >> THAT'S THE EFFECT. AS YOU SAW EVERY DOLLAR WE TAKE WE ADD TO SOMETHING ELSE WE TAKE FROM SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S THE REALITY. 
          >> WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE INCREASING THE BUDGET THIS YEAR 
          AND WE WILL GET TO THOSE. >> CORRECT USUALLY BECAUSE OF LABOR OR THE FACT THAT WE HAVE MORE MONEY FOR MPH BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY EVERYTHING THEY WANTED. REMEMBER THE BUDGET REQUEST CAME IN 15 MILLION ABOVE WHAT WE HAD AVAILABLE FOR REVENUE SO WE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH DEPARTMENTS FOR MONTHS TRYING TO WHITTLE AWAY WHAT THEY BELIEVE AS EXPERTS, THE BEST WAY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY JUST LIKE ARTS ARE THE BEST WAY TO GROW ARTS PROGRAMS FOR INCREASING APPROPRIATION BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          >> COUNCILOR LOCKE. >> YOU GUYS MADE AUSTERITY DECISIONS AS AN EXECUTIVE BRANCH WE APPROPRIATE. ON THE THINGS WE STRATEGICALLY APPROPRIATED, SPECIFIC NUMBERS THIS GETS TO THE BROAD CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DO WE SHAPE THE BUDGET. IF WE UNDER SPEND LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD THE MONEY OR THIS YEAR 2025 ON THE GRANT MONEY THAT WE APPROPRIATED FOR THAT PURPOSE THIS YEAR THAN YOU MADE THE EXECUTIVE DECISION TO UNDERFUND THE ARTS THIS YEAR. SO AS WE GO TO NEXT YEAR TRYING TO BE OPEN AND FIGURE THIS OUT TOGETHER AS POSSIBLE, IF WE PUT A NUMBER AND YOU DO HAVE AUTHORITY TO ADMINISTER THE GOVERNMENT THE WAY WE APPROPRIATE TO YOU, BUT HOW DO WE HAVE ASSURANCE YOU WILL APPROPRIATE OR USE IT AT THE RIGHT LEVEL? I KNOW WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PERSONNEL AND HOW WE INTERACT WITH THEM AND THE IDEA OF TAKE-HOME CARS SO WE CAN REITERATE THINGS HAPPENING TO FIGURE OUT A PATH FORWARD ON THEM. IT NEEDS TO BE COLLABORATIVE FOR THERE TO BE CONTROL. BUT FOR GRANTS THIS IS NOT A CITY DEPARTMENT, IT NEVER WAS, IT WAS UNDER BUSINESS OPERATIONS, WHATEVER THAT WEIRD LINE ITEM TITLE, ON PURPOSE BECAUSE IT IS A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR AN EXTERNAL THING WE ARE FUNDING. SO TO GO THROUGH THAT WITH THE CONCEPT OF 1776 IN THE BUDGET FOR A NEW NONPROFIT THAT'S GOING TO FIND THAT IT'S JUST THE PERSONNEL WITH EXTRA EXPENSES SO THAT'S ON THE BOARD , THEN WE WILL NOT SPEND THE ARTS MONEY IN A YEAR TO MAKE AUSTERITY MEASURES FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND ARGUE ABOUT THE NUMBER FOR NEXT YEAR , IT'S A WILD CONVERSATION HERE. SO I HEAR THE BACK AND FORTH AND THIS BECAME AN ISSUE BECAUSE ADAM BROUGHT IT UP ON THIS ISSUE, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WRITE A BUDGET THAT ALLOWS US TO HELP ADMINISTER A GOVERNMENT THAT CONSTITUENTS WANT. AND FIGURING OUT HOW WE ENTER THAT IS HAPPENING, MAYBE THERE ARE MORE CHECKUPS WE NEED WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION, I DON'T THINK YOU COME BEFORE US AT THE COUNCIL, MAYBE THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THOSE THINGS TO ENSURE MONEY GOES TO THE RIGHT THING BUT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHEN THE NUMBER IS MINIMIZED 1.47 LAST YEAR IS WHAT WE APPROPRIATED 1% OF THE REVENUE WE ORIGINALLY APPROPRIATED AND WE MISSED AT THE END WHEN WE CUT 3 MILLION TO GET MORE FLOW TO SHRINK TO THE 1.43. THAT WAS INTENTIONAL BECAUSE IT WAS BASED ON A PROMISE TO THE COMMUNITY WE WOULD INVEST 1% OF THE GENERAL 
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FUND REVENUE IN THE ARTS. SODA THEN NOT SPEND FROM THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSPECTIVE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS APPROPRIATED BECOMES A SECONDARY CONCERN OF HOW TO INSURE WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR WHAT WE ARE SETTING UP TO BE ADMINISTERED IS BEING ADMINISTERED BY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. 
          >> ONE OF THE THINGS WAS FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND I FELT IT WAS RESPONSIBLE TO UNDER SPEND BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR WHAT'S COMING. SO I WON'T APOLOGIZE FOR THE FACT THAT WE WILL SPEND LESS MONEY TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT AND I THINK, I KNOW IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. WE MAY HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. 
          >> I APPRECIATE THAT AND WE WILL HELP YOU DO THAT BY BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FUNDING FLOAT SO WE HAVE EXTERNALITY AND THIS GETS TO THE BROAD CONVERSATION OF YES THE BUDGET YOU PRESENTED WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE IF WE MAKE CHANGES WE TALKED ABOUT INCLUDING EXPERIENCE CARMEL, BUT IF WE WANT TO INCREASE TO THE GRANT APPROPRIATION YOU CAN DECIDE NOT TO APPROPRIATE THAT IS PART OF YOUR POWER THE CHECK AND BALANCE IS IF WE SAY SOMETHING SHOULD BE SPENT AND YOU SAY IT'S NOT A GOOD THING TO SPEND ON WE WON'T DO IT, WE WOULD MAKE THE REQUEST AND YOU CAN TELL US NO OR NOT SPEND, BUT THE IDEA WE HAVE BEEN PRESENTED A BUDGET WITH $1000 OF FLOAT WITHOUT ANY AUSTERITY BUILT INTO THIS GOING INTO NEXT YEAR WHERE IT IS TIGHTER FLIES DIRECTLY IN THE FACE OF THE COMMENT THAT WE ARE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS BUDGET. I HEAR YOU AND I HAVE SEEN IT AND HAVE GOT FACEBOOK POST ABOUT IT FROM THE CITY. I THINK WHY WE ARE HERE IS TO DO IT TOGETHER. THE PURPOSE OF THESE BODIES AND THE BACK AND FORTH IS TO DO THAT, IT IS NOT COMBATIVE. WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE IDEAS AND CONCEPTS IN PLACE SO WE CAN TELL PEOPLE A BUDGET THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY. 
          I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT BUT IT IS A WILD POSITION TO BE ASKING FOR INFORMATION AND BEING TOLD IF YOU CANNOT HAVE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK SO HOW DO WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE INFORMATION WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE APPROPRIATING MONEY TO 
          THE CITY THE WAY WE SHOULD BE. >> THERE IS ONE PIECE I SHOULD'VE MENTIONED DURING THE PRESENTATION AND NEGLECTED TO, THIS BUDGET WOULD OF BEEN APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER 1 MILLION HIGHER IN TERMS OF ONGOING COST FOR MAINTAINING THE ENERGY CENTER BUT GIVEN THE GENERAL FUND CANNOT AFFORD THAT, THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH REVENUE TO COVER. THAT'S ONE OF A COUPLE EXPENSES WE HAVE MOVED TO THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX TO BE FUNDED OUT OF THAT FOR NEXT YEAR. HAPPY TO GET MORE DETAILS BUT WANTED TO NOTE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN EXPENSE BUT NOT AVAILABLE DOLLARS TO 
          FUND FOR THE GENERAL FUND. >> COUNCILOR JOSHI, COUNCILOR SNYDER AND THEN COUNSELOR TAYLOR . 
          >> 15% REDUCTION IN THE ARTS GRANTS AND IT WAS SOMETHING WE PRIORITIZED AS A COUNCIL. WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE REDUCTION WHEN WE LOOK AT PERCENTAGE REDUCTIONS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND HOW THAT COMPARES. THE PALLADIUM BUILDING OPERATIONS HAS NOT CHANGED ONE DOLLAR. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE IN THAT AND WHO ELSE IS FUNDED OUT OF THE JAMES BUILDING? I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHO IS BEING. 
          >> WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH REI , TO ESSENTIALLY, THEY DO A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS THAT THE CENTER DOES FOR THE PALLADIUM, BUT IT IS MORE FOCUSED ON THE DAY-TO-DAY MAINTENANCE, CENTRAL SPACES, THE THEATERS IN THE JAMES BUILDING. SO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH REI FOR THIS AMOUNT EVERY YEAR. IT IS NOT INCREASED IN AT LEAST THREE YEARS, I'M NOT SURE PRIOR TO THAT. WE PAY MONTHLY DISTRIBUTIONS TO REI AND THAT IS OF THE COVER MAINTENANCE COSTS THAT THEY HAVE TO PERFORM . WITH ANY TYPE OF SECURITY OR OTHER REIMBURSABLES, IT IS ALL COVERED THROUGH THERE. AT THE END OF THE YEAR WE DO SOME SETTLING. IT'S NOT AS IF WHATEVER THEY DON'T SPENDABLE POCKET, I WILL DOUBLE CHECK THIS AMOUNT, BUT THERE'S A 5% ADMINISTRATIVE FEE FOR THE REI BUILT INTO THE 1.25 MILLION. THE REST OF IT DIRECTLY GOES TO COST AND WHATEVER IS LEFT OVER AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHICH IS 
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USUALLY TENS OF THOUSANDS LEFT OVER, NOT A HUGE NUMBER BUT TENS OF THOUSANDS. WE KIND OF DECIDE THERE IS THIS CAPITAL NEED, CAN WE AFFORD TO DO THAT OUT OF THE FLOAT REMAINING HERE OR IS THAT A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT WE NEED TO FIND ELSEWHERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT EVERY MONTH TO COVER 
          THOSE NEEDS. >> AGAIN THIS GOES TO MY FIRST QUESTION ABOUT WHICH DEPARTMENTS, WHAT LINE ITEMS BELONG AND WHAT DEPARTMENTS TRYING TO CLARIFY BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE REI CONTRACT DOES NOT COVER THE TWO THEATERS. THERE ARE OTHER NON-ARTS RELATED ENTITIES THAT EXIST WITHIN THE BUILDING. OR AM I INCORRECT? 
          >> I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT. I THINK THE PORTION THAT WE ADDRESS WITH THE REI CONTRACT IS THE THEATERS AS WELL AS THE 
          COMMENTS SPACE. >> BUT THE OTHER SPACES , OFFICES AND OTHER THINGS , ARE THEY PAYING INTO THE FUND TO THE REI TO SUPPORT THEIR OWN MAINTENANCE OR IS THE CITY 
          PAYING FOR MAINTENANCE? >> I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. 
          THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY ANYTHING FOR THE CITY COFFERS. I BELIEVE THAT THE REVENUE , I BELIEVE IT IS ATTACHED , YES. I THINK , IT SOMEHOW ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOTEL. THE DEBT. I COULD NOT 
          INTELLIGENTLY WALK YOU THROUGH. >> A LITTLE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE AS WE LOOK AT REDUCTIONS THIS STOOD OUT TO ME NOT BEEN REDUCED AND I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          >> >> TO ME THIS IS MORE CLEAR TO THE REIMBURSABLE LINE WE HAVE WITH THE CENTER THIS LISTED AS THE 1.6 CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS REIMBURSABLE. IT IS THE 
          COMPARISON TO THAT LINE. >> BRIGHT, WE UNDERSTAND THE PALLADIUM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ARTS AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS IN THE BUILDING THAT'S NOT ARTS RELATED SO WHY IS IT ALL IN THE 
          ARTS BUDGET? >> MR. PRESIDENT REAL QUICK IF YOU MAY RECALL 2024, BOTH THE PACK OPERATIONS AND THE ARTS GRANTS WERE IN THE BUDGET, WE TRIED TO MOVE THAT ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS INTO ONE BUDGT THAT MADE SENSE. IF YOU WANT A PURE BUDGET FOR ARTS VERSUS OTHER OPERATIONAL THINGS WE ARE ON THE HOOK FOR THE OPERATION OF THE JAMES BUILDING, IF YOU WANT 
          THAT PURELY SEPARATE WE CAN. >> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AS WE LOOK AT THE ARTS FUNDING. WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THEY'RE BRINGING IN AND WITH THE EXPENSES ARE. 
          >> IT'S JUST A BUCKET PUT IN . NOBODY IS SAYING IT'S ARTS WHEN 
          IT'S NOT ARTS. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER AND COUNSELOR TAYLOR. TRYING TO GET THROUGH COMMUNITY SERVICE AND TECHNOLOGY AND GET BACK ON TRACK WITH A SHORTENED BREAK. 
          >> ASSESSMENT FEES $72,000 THAT IS A COUNTY THING AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE ARE BEGINNING THE PROCESS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO STOP PAYING THAT. 
          >> AT LEAST FIGURE OUT WHY. THERE ARE DITCH ASSESSMENTS. 
          >> TO ME THAT IS ASININE, THAT IS NOT A CITY ISSUE IT IS A ASININE FEE FOR NO GOOD REASON WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING. I GUESS MY LAST COMMENT ON THE ARTS FUNDING AND I HOPE I HAVE BEEN CLEAR ON WHERE I AM. TO THE POINT FROM COUNCILOR LOCKE BECAUSE THEY NEVER PRESENTED SO I'M NOT AWARE OF THE WHOLE PROCESS GOING THROUGH THE ARTS COMMISSION. WHAT'S STOPPING GROUPS FROM ASKING FOR THE MONEY AND DEPLETING THE DOLLARS THAT 
          ARE STILL AVAILABLE. >> WE DO ONE TIME ARTS GRANTS PROCESS. THAT HAS BEEN THE PROCESS TODAY. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THE LINK TO THE DOCUMENT WE DID BEFORE. THERE IS 
          A WHOLE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH. >> OKAY WE'RE CHANGING LOTS OF PROCESSES. THERE HAS BEEN NO HESITATION PLANNING TO CHANGE A HUGE PROCESS SO IF THERE'S DOLLARS LEFT OVER FOR THE ARTS IF THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE MONEY 
          >> IT GOES BACK TO UNDER SPEND. >> COUNSELOR TAYLOR IF YOU WOULD 
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          LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. I AM ABLE TO SHED SOME LIGHT AND HOPEFULLY ADD VALUE TO THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE OF MY HISTORY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THIS QUESTION WAS RAISED VIA EMAIL REGARDING EXPENSES BEING SHIFTED FROM THE FOR THE PROFIT TENANTS IN THE JAMES BUILDINGS TO THE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS. THAT IS NOT THE CASE, THE JAMES BUILDING IS OWNED BY THE FOUR CDC, SECTIONS ARE CONDO OUT, AS ANY TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL LEASE, COMMON AREA MAINTENANCE CHARGES , WHETHER A TRIPLE, TRIPLE NET LEASE OR WAS CALLED A GROSS MODIFIED LEASE. THE UTILITIES AND MAINTENANCE ET CETERA ARE PASSED ALONG TO THOSE FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES THAT ARE LEASING PROPERTY WITHIN THE JAMES BUILDING. THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN ITSELF IS NOT SUBSIDIZING THOSE COSTS. SINCE THE CDC OWNS THE JAMES BUILDING THEIR COSTS RELATED TO THE ENVELOPE ROOF COMMON AREAS THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THE ARTS OPERATIONS WITHIN THE BUILDING. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THOSE DIFFERENCES AND THE CDC COULD PROVIDE THE LEASES TO HELP PROVIDE CLARIFICATION TO THAT. RELATED TO HOTEL CARMICHAEL, AT THE TIME WHEN I WAS PRESIDENT OF THE ORGANIZATION, NOT AT THE TIME OF HOTEL CARMICHAEL, BUT VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HAPPENED. AT THE TIME WHERE THERE WAS NEEDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR HOTEL CARMICHAEL. THE FOR-PROFIT COMPONENT OF THE JAMES BUILDING HAD A NET OPERATING INCOME. INCOME OVER AND ABOVE THE EXPENSES IN THE FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES IN THE JAMES BUILDING. TO SURE UP THE FUNDING OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST OF THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL THE CDC WENT TO A TRADITIONAL BANK, OBTAINED A MORTGAGE TO HELP PAY FOR THOSE COSTS OVERRUNS FOR THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL. SO THERE IS A DEBT SERVICE COMPONENT THAT IS ALSO PAID FOR OUT OF THE NET OPERATING INCOME FOR THE FOR-PROFIT COMPONENTS OF THE JAMES BUILDING. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE CONCERNS BY THE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS THAT THERE SUBSIDIZING OPERATING COSTS OF THE FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES IN THE JAMES BUILDING. I DID WANT TO OFFER MY THOUGHT AND ONE SUGGESTION SINCE I'M STRUGGLING 
          TO PARTICIPATE. >> I AM HUGE SUPPORTER OF THE CENTER. TOOK A LOT OF RISK AND FLAK FOR BEING INVOLVED AT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT JUST LIKE OTHERS IN THIS ROOM. AND WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE A SUCCESSFUL. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO COUNSELOR SNYDER'S POINT IS THESE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENTS WERE PUT IN PLACE A VERY LONG TIME AGO AND ARE NO LONGER SERVING BOTH ENTITIES THE WAY THEY SHOULD AND THEY WERE PUT TOGETHER QUICKLY TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL OF EXECUTING THE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE WE FUND THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE MANAGEMENT FEE FOR THE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS BUT WHETHER OR NOT WE APPROPRIATE IN THE 26 BUDGET OR NOT WE CAN TAKE THOSE FROM GENERAL FUND BALANCES AND WE BEGIN RENEGOTIATING THESE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENTS WITH THE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS. JUST LIKE ANY VENUE SUCH AS SUCH AS THE DOWNTOWN NOW THE OLD NATIONAL CENTER MANAGED NOW BY LIVE NATION, THERE ARE FEES THAT COULD BE PASSED ALONG TO MANY TIMES NONRESIDENTS WERE ATTENDING THE SHOWS. THAT COULD DARKLY FLOW THROUGH TO THE CITY BUDGET, TO NOT ONLY SURE UP AND POSSIBLY INCREASE THE MANAGEMENT FEE WHICH THE MANAGEMENT FEE HAS NOT BEEN INCREASED SINCE IMPLEMENTATION. FOR THE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS AND ALSO CREATE WHICH IS MY MAJOR CONCERN AND WE'RE GETTING SOME OF THIS DATA NOW TO CREATE CAPITAL ASSET RESERVE FUND FOR THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE RELATED TO THE JAMES BUILDING , THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE PALLADIUM SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER WITH ANYBODY BASED ON MY 
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HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE RELATED TO HOW THINGS WORK. AND I WANTED TO 
          MAKE SURE TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. >> UNLESS ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO DO NEXT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK FOR LIKE FIVE OR 10 MINUTES AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE NEXT TWO DEPARTMENTS, COMMUNITY SERVICE AND TECHNOLOGY. MY GOAL IS TO GET THROUGH THEM BY NOON, DURING THIS BREAK COUNSELORS IF YOU WANT TO GET A LUNCH ORDER PLACED WE CAN GET THAT PLACED FOR DELIVERY AND THAT WILL BE READY 
          >> ALL RIGHT EVERYBODY GET SEATED, WE WILL GET STARTED WHEN EVERYBODY GETS SEATED . 
          >> ARE YOU READY? OKAY. WELCOME BACK WE HAVE THE DOCS BUDGET, DIRECTOR AND SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS THEY WILL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE SLIDES QUICKLY TO CATCH US UP. ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS AND SLIDES WILL BE AVAILABLE PRETTY SOON ON THE CITY OF CARMEL WEBSITE SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CHECK OUT EVERYTHING. 
          >> COUNCIL, COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THIS MORNING. I AM STILL MOURNING. SO, THE TEAM IS FORWARD FACING AND CUSTOMER FOCUSED. PROFESSIONALS DEDICATED TO SERVING THE MAYOR AND COMMUNITY FOR MAIN AREAS BUILDING SAFETY AND PLANNING AND ZONING AND WITHIN THOSE TWO AREAS, WE ARE ORGANIZED INTO FOUR PROGRAMS WHICH IS HOW THE BUDGET IS STRUCTURED. THE 2025 HIGHLIGHTS, WE HAD A BUSY BUT AVERAGE YEAR. PERMITS ARE DOWN A LITTLE, PETITIONER DOWN A LITTLE AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LANDMARK APPROVALS WITH THE JACKSON GRAND VILLAGE TOWNHOME RE-ZONE AND THE 421 PROJECT AND WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL WE HAVE THE CHANGE OF USE PERMIT , APPROVED THIS YEAR WITH A COUPLE OF BIG DEVELOPMENT PLANS , WHICH THE COUNCIL WAS PART OF AS WELL WITH GRAMERCY EAST AND THE NORTH END PHASE 2. 
          WE COMPLETED THE CARMEL TRANSIT LIMITATION STUDY. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON HOMEPLACE AND U.S. 31 PLAN UPDATES. WE HELD THE INITIAL MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING ON HOUSING WHERE WE STARTED GOALSETTING AND STARTED WORKING THROUGH HOUSING TASK FORCE REPORT AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND HAVE A MEETING COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER. AND WORKING THROUGH THE CO DISTRICT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH WAS A LOT OF FUN. THE PERSONAL SERVICE REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR IS 2.7 MILLION WHICH IS ABOUT 80% OF THE DOCS BUDGET. WE HAVE 19 FULL-TIME AND ONE PART-TIME EMPLOYEE AND THERE IS THREE OPEN POSITIONS. AND THIS IS HOW THE PROGRAM SUMMARY IS DIVIDED UP , SO THE BUDGET IN GENERAL. THE ADMIN PROGRAM IS 2000 OF THAT IN THE PERSONAL SERVICES BUDGET FOR ADMIN IS 335 AND IT GOES ON DOWN. I AM GOING TO SKIP SOME SLIDES. IN ORDER TO MOVE IT ALONG. DOCS ALSO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME NON-REVERTING FUNDS. WE HAVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUNDS. WE DO WORK WITH A HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION BY MANAGING THEIR BUDGET THIS YEAR IS 100,000. WE HAVE THE NONREVERTING BICYCLE FACILITY FUND WE ARE REQUESTING. THE MONEY BE APPROPRIATED FROM THAT , NON-REVERTING SIDEWALK FUND. 
          AND THEN THERE WERE THREE, FOR THE AREAS OF FOCUS FOR NEXT YEAR , SO WE WILL BE IMPLEMENTING THE RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PROGRAM. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH COUNCIL ON THE UTO 
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UPDATES WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, AS WE AS WE WORK THROUGH THE PLAN UPDATES FOR HOMEPLACE AND 31 MOVING TO UPDATE THE REGULATIONS IN THE UTO , TO SUPPORT THOSE. YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH SENATE ROLLOUT ONE , THE STATE ALSO THERE IS A LOCAL REQUIREMENT WE REQUIRE INSPECTIONS AND PLAN REVIEW AND WE ARE WORKING TO GET THAT IN PLACE BY THE FIRST OF 2026, AS WELL. AND WE WILL CONTINUE THE WORK. WITH THE ADVISORY ON HOUSING. ALONG WITH DEDICATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF ZONING AND APPEALS. A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET THE NON- PERSONAL BUDGET IS DEDICATED TO SOFTWARE WHICH OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE AUTOMATED A LOT. AS WE CONTINUE TO SERVE CUSTOMERS IN THE COMMUNITY. EFFICIENTLY WITHOUT BRINGING ON MORE PEOPLE. AND THEN WE KEEP TRACK OF OUR OUR PERMIT WITH THE PLAN ACTIVITY WHICH INCLUDE SOME REVENUE. THROUGH AUGUST OF THIS YEAR WE HAVE COLLECTED 1 MILLION 1,054,000, AVERAGING 232 TRANSACTIONS PER MONTH. 
          AND IN SUMMARY OUR GENERAL FUND REQUEST IS 3,381,000. AND THE OVERALL REQUEST WHICH INCLUDES NONREVERTING FUNDS OF 3.7 MILLION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> ALL RIGHT COUNSELORS, QUESTIONS? 
          >> I WILL KICK IT OFF HERE. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I GUESS I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE CITY FORRESTER AND HOW THE CHANGES AM I CALLING 
          AT THE RIGHT NAME? >> URBAN FORESTER. 
          >> HOW IS THAT GOING IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT? WHAT KIND OF CHANGES WITH JOB DUTIES, HELP ME UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT AND WHEN 
          DID THAT TAKE PLACE? >> THE FORESTRY DIVISION OF DOCS WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT AND FOR THE MOST PART WE HAVE LOST CONTROL OF THAT WHOLE ASPECT. DARREN HAS CONTINUED TO DO THE PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS THAT OCCUR THROUGH PROJECT DOCUMENTS THROUGH THE ELECTRONIC PLAN REVIEW WITH ALL PLUGGED INTO THAT AND THAT OPERATE 
          SEAMLESSLY. >> WILL IT CONTINUE, IS THAT STILL IS FUNCTION TO DO THAT ROLE? 
          >> IT IS ALTHOUGH I'M NOT SURE WHAT HIS FUTURE IS WITH THE CITY. AND THIS BUDGET REFLECTS A $50,000 ALLOTMENT THAT WE WOULD CONTRACT , THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS AND PLAN REVIEW OUT TO A 
          THIRD-PARTY. >> OKAY I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. SO, NOW I THINK THERE'S A COUNSELOR THAT MIGHT DISAGREE WITH ME, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT OUR URBAN FORESTER HAS CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS PRETTY UNIQUE WITH TREE CANOPIES, I HAVE BEEN OUT WITH HIM ON PROPERTY SITES AND VISITS WHERE THIS TREE SHOULD NOT COME DOWN, EVEN THOUGH THE NEIGHBO WANTS TO DO IT AND THEN OVER HERE IT IS YES THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO GO. SO IF WE CONTRACT THAT OUT , THAT KIND OF STUFF TO A THIRD-PARTY OR I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEANT BY THE OTHER STATEMENT. ARE WE GOING TO GET THE SAME QUALITY? WHO AM I GOING TO CALL TO SAY THIS TREE IS A PROBLEM? HOW DOES THIS WORK MAKING IT A CONTRACTOR AND I'M SURE THEY HAVE FIVE OTHER CITIES THEY ARE WORKING WITH. I GUESS I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ONE MORE INSTANCE OF SENDING THAT AWAY FROM OUR EMPLOYEES WHO CARE AND 
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HAVE THE HISTORY AND EXPERIENCE AND I CAN SEE THE FRUITS OF 
          THEIR LABOR. >> I THINK IT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS STILL. THE STREET DEPARTMENT IS HIGHLY QUALIFIED ARBORIST ALONG WITH DARREN AND WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED TO HAVE THAT SKILL SET FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND, TO YOUR POINT, THE TREE CANOPY, THE TREE ENVIRONMENT IN THE COMMUNITY IS VERY HIGH-QUALITY AND LARGELY BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO AND THE SUPPORT OF THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL TO FUND THOSE AND I THINK I MEAN WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE DOCS ARENA, WE HAVE LANDSCAPE REVIEW THAT IS PART OF THE UDO, THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT WILL GO WITH THAT AND WE THINK THAT CAN OCCUR WITHOUT INTERRUPTION. WE WILL NEED TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF THE FIELD ASPECTS WHETHER IT IS TREE PRESERVATION WITH A FOLLOW-UP LANDSCAPE INSPECTIONS . A LITTLE LATER THIS FALL WE WILL BE PROPOSING SOME FEE ADJUSTMENTS AND SOME OF THAT INCLUDES INSPECTION COSTS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO CONTRACT, TO UTILIZE THE CONTRACT. WITH PRIVATE SECTOR PROFESSIONALS TO DO PRESERVATION OR LANDSCAPING , WE THINK WE WILL BE OKAY. HOWEVER THIS THING 
          SHAKES OUT. >> ARE WE ELIMINATING A POSITION? OR HOW DOES THAT ALL WORK THEN? 
          >> DOCS WE ARE RELYING ON THE STREET DEPARTMENT . SO WE ARE 
          NOT LOSING A POSITION >> OKAY THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNCILOR MINNAAR AND THEN COUNCILOR SNYDER. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. WHEN WE GO THROUGH PROJECTS AND WE GO THROUGH, WE UTILIZE , AS HE SAID THE UDO TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON A PARTICULAR PROJECT AND SO DURING THIS PROJECT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT A.D. LS OUTSIDE OF USING THE UDO TO THE POINT OF THE PERSON STANDING AT THE DAIS TO BACK UP THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHO IS GOING TO BE THERE TO DECIDE WHETHER THIS WAS A GOOD CHOICE OR BAD CHOICE GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT SOMEBODY WHO WILL BE EMPLOYED WITHIN THE CITY SO WHO WILL BE 
          THE FACE OF ALL OF THAT. >> YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE 
          LANDSCAPE OR URBAN FORESTRY? >> WELL, TBD, BUT THE WAY THAT I ENVISION IT, WE WILL CONTRACT WITH A QUALIFIED THIRD-PARTY WHO WILL THEN DO THOSE REVIEWS SIMILAR TO CROSSROADS AND ENGINEERING. SO BOTH OF THOSE COMMENTS WILL BE DOCUMENTED AND AND DARREN DOES NOT MAKE APPEARANCES OR RARELY MAKES APPEARANCES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THAT MESSAGE IS CONVEYED BY PLANNING STAFF WHETHER IT BE RACHEL OR ALEXIA AND I IMAGINE THAT'S HOW IT WILL CONTINUE GOING FORWARD. 
          >> THE OTHER QUESTION I MIGHT HAVE IS AFTER LOSING OUR BELOVED , HOW ARE YOU GUYS COPING ON HAVING A OFFICE MANAGER THERE AND IS IT A POSITION , I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A POSITION WHERE BACKFILLING GOING FORWARD CAN YOU GET MORE INFORMATION ON 
          THAT? >> THAT POSITION WILL NOT BE FILLED IN 2026 OR THIS YEAR. I MEAN WE ARE WORKING THROUGH IT. 
          AND I HAVE ACQUIRED SOME NEW SKILL SETS MYSELF AND WORKING, WE HAVE DISTRIBUTED SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES INTERNALLY. I MEAN IT IS THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS , I.T. HAS BEEN HELPFUL, THE FINANCE OFFICE HAS BEEN HELPFUL HR HAS BEEN HELPFUL. IT IS NOT 
          IDEAL AND THANK YOU GOVERNOR. >> I APPRECIATE MAYOR FINKHAM REACHING OUT AND ASKING ME SPECIFICALLY HOW I FELT ABOUT YOUR BUDGET AND THE BIGGEST CONCERN WHICH MAYOR FINKAM CAN SPEAK TO COME I WAS CONCERNED WITH THE LACK OF, LOSING 
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CHRISTINA, LISA, YOU KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO MORE WITH LESS AND NOT HAVE THINGS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS SO THAT WAS SOMETHING HAVING BEEN A COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION WAS A 
          BIG CONCERN FOR ME. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. 
          >> ALL OF URBAN FORESTRY. THEY WERE DOING PLAN REVIEW FOR YOUR. 
          THAT IS BEING DONE PRESUMABLY CONTRACTED OUT WHEN YOU SAY CONTRACTED OUT IS THAT ALL LANDSCAPE DESIGN REVIEW OR 
          SPECIFIC TO TREES? >> SO THE STREET TREE FUNCTION IS WITHIN THE STREET DEPARTMENT. THE LANDSCAPE REVIEW , THE UDO REVIEW HAS BEEN THERE IT'S ERRANDS ARENA SO THAT WOULD BE 
          CONTRACTED OUT. >> IT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT AND YOU SHARE THE SALARY? 
          >> NO. IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO ENGINEERING IS PLUGGED INTO PROJECT DOCS , I MEAN THE STREET DEPARTMENT HAS POLICE AND FIRE, THEY ALL COMMENT ON WHENEVER THERE IS A NEW PROJECT. 
          >> THAT IS NOT UNHEARD OF. MANY PEOPLE IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN STORM WATER REVIEW DONE BY THE OTHER ENGINEERING FIRM. WHERE THE NUANCE GETS A LITTLE LOST HIS IT WAS NICE TO HAVE THAT THAT PERSON YOU COULD CALL AND ASK WHAT COUNTRY IS THIS WHERE SHOULD I CUT THIS DOWN OR NOT CUT THIS DOWN SO IF OUR URBAN FORSTER WENT TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT AND IS NOW NOT GOING TO BE DOING WHAT HE TOOK HIS JOB TO DO, WHAT IS HE DOING? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WILL BE DOING A JOB HE DID NOT APPLY FOR. MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION OF STREET DEPARTMENT AND MAYBE IT'S NOT NEEDED. WHEN YOU DO THE PLAN I GUESS YOU ARE NOT DOING IT, THEY 
          ARE HIRING OUT THE PLAN REVIEW? >> IT WILL COME BACK. 
          >> SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING? 
          >> I'M NOT AWARE WHAT HIS JOB WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD. 
          >> WHOSE JOB WOULD BE THE RESIDENT CAN CALL AND SAY IS THIS INVASIVE SPECIES? WHO CAN IDENTIFY? IS THAT YOU FUNCTION OR STREET DEPARTMENT OR DO YOU CALL THE PARKS DEPARTMENT? 
          >> I STILL THINK , WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THIS. AND YOU KNOW I KNOW THERE IS A REAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DARREN AND CODE ENFORCEMENT BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CALL COMES IN IT GOES TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING BUT DON'T REALLY HAVE SPECIFICS 
          RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE WILL GO AHEAD AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. TRIED TO GET BACK ON TRACK WITH THE NEXT DEPARTMENT, 
          TECHNOLOGY. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON, DEPARTMENT OF TECHNOLOGY, HAD TO CHECK REAL QUICK TO MAKE SURE I KNEW WHAT TIME IT WAS. THE DEPARTMENT OF TECHNOLOGY VISION AND MISSION AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE TO ENSURE THAT EMPLOYEES , CONTRACTORS WE ARE WORKING WITH AND RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO THE TECHNOLOGY RESOURCES WE CAN PROVIDE, YOU'LL SEE A NUMBER OF THINGS LISTED. I DON'T WANT TO HARP TOO LONG ON THIS BUT MOVED TO THE NEXT LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THE BUDGET IS TO HELP BRING THINGS BACK ON TRACK. ON 
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THE NEXT SLIDE IT IS A LITTLE BIT IS SMALL AND THIS IS WHERE THE OTHER OPERATING EXPENSES FOR THE TECHNOLOGY BUDGET ARE STRUCTURED ACROSS A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS, HOPEFULLY MANY OF THESE SEEM FAMILIAR EVEN THOUGH THE NAMES MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SOME OF THE ITEMS I WILL POINT OUT AS WE LOOK AT EACH OF THOSE, CYBER SECURITY, THIS IS TO CONTINUE MAINTAINING MULTIFACTOR AUTHENTICATION AS WELL AS VIRTUAL SERVICES. 
          SECURITY LOGGING AND THE PEACE I WOULD POINT OUT THAT WOULD BE NEW NEXT YEAR WOULD BE TO DO SOME PENETRATION TESTING. NOT SURE IF THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST BUT THAT IS AN AREA OF OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY HELP US FIND AND HONE IN ON THOSE PLACES WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CYBER AND TECHNOLOGY IS SECURE. PUBLIC FACING SERVICES, YOU WILL NOTICE A LOT OF THINGS RELATED TO THOSE SERVICES THAT ARE FORWARD FACING TO RESIDENTS IN THAT, 311, PALLADIUM, LIGHT SHOW AS WELL AS THE TECHNOLOGIES REQUIRED FOR PERMITTING AND ASSET MAINTENANCE AND PUBLIC RECORDS AND THOSE ARE ALL ROLLED UP INTO THAT LINE ITEM. PUBLIC SPACES, THE BIG THING TO POINT OUT HERE IS THERE IS PLAN REPLACEMENT FOR THE MIDTOWN PLAZA SCREEN AND THAT IS A FAIRLY LARGE SCREEN AND A LARGE INVESTMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE TO REPLACE ALL THE AV EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS THE SCREEN. 
          WE KEEP THINGS ON A FIVE-YEAR ROTATION WITH THOSE KIND OF THINGS. PART OF WHAT YOU START TO GET INTO AS WE LOOK AT OTHER AREAS LIKE BUSINESS CONTINUITY IS THAT AS TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT WE TRY TO ENSURE WE HAVE BACKUPS OF THINGS FOR EVENT RADIOS, FOR AV TECHNOLOGIES AND THAT SO WE ARE NEVER QUITE FOUND INTO A LURCH AND WE DON'T HAVE A BACKUP AVAILABLE TO PUT INTO PLACE. CITYWIDE SOFTWARE, THIS IS WHERE SOME OF OUR LARGEST COSTS GO, OUR LARGEST COST IN THE SOFTWARE SPACE IN THE MOMENT IS THE CONTINUING USE OF MICROSOFT OFFICE AND THAT LICENSING WE NEED FOR YOURSELF 365, WE CONTINUE TO SEE COSTS FOR LICENSES FOR USER CONTINUING TO GO UP YEAR-OVER-YEAR. CITY FACILITY TECHNOLOGIES IN THAT, THIS HELPS TO FOCUS THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS BUILDING WHETHER THAT IS AV OR TELEPHONY OR IT COULD INCLUDE AND DOES INCLUDE HVAC, FIRE ALARMS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WE NEED TO ENSURE ARE PROTECTING THE ASSETS. PUBLIC SAFETY TECHNOLOGIES. THIS IS WHERE WE ROLL UP AND ROLL IN THINGS LIKE THE PURCHASE FOR FLAT CAMERAS AND CONTINUING USE OF THOSE AS WELL AS THE EVENT RADIOS AND OTHER THINGS I MENTIONED AS SOMEWHAT BUSINESS CONTINUITY. 
          UNDER BUSINESS CONTINUITY. HERE WE ARE FUNDING TECHNOLOGY TRAINING FOR FOLKS TO CONTINUE TO EDUCATE AND BRING EMPLOYEE BASE UP IN TERMS OF USE OF TECHNOLOGIES. NETWORKING, ALTERNATE DATA CENTER FOR DISASTER RECOVERY AND THAT WHICH ALLOWS US TO ENSURE IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO THE CARMEL DATA CENTER WE WOULD BE ABLE TO AUTOMATICALLY SWITCH OVER AND USE THE ALTERNATE SITE. THIS ALSO INCLUDES REPLICATION OF ALL THE DATA THAT THE CITY HAS IN ENSURING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US AND CAN AUTOMATICALLY SWITCH BETWEEN THAT IN THE EVENT OF THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO. WE HAVE THIS LINE ITEM AROUND EXISTING LEASES MENTIONED EARLIER THIS MORNING, THOSE HAVE BEEN PAID OFF FOR NEXT YEAR SO THE NUMBER MOVED 20. IN THE NEW CAPITAL LEASE LINE WE DO, RELATED TO SOME OF THESE NETWORKING PIECES AS WELL AS THE AV ASSETS THE LARGER CAPITAL ASSETS WE NEED TO INVEST IN WE WILL ROLL THOSE INTO OR ARE PLANNING TO ROLL THOSE INTO CAPITAL LEASES FOR NEXT YEAR. THERE IS A SMALL ITEM AROUND A.I. AND I WANT TO CALL THAT OUT FOR THE COUNCIL. THE GOAL IS TO WORK WITH THAT AS A SMALL FUND OF MONEY AND THEN START TO USE THAT AND APPLY TO SPECIFIC USE CASE WHERE WE THINK IT IS APPLICABLE. AS A TECHNOLOGY GROUP WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THE CITYWIDE I.T. STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THAT ACTIVITY AND OTHER ACTIVITIES ON DIFFERENT SOFTWARE IS REPURCHASED. THE GOAL WOULD BE FOR THE COMMITTEE TO HELP WITH WHAT'S THE BEST USE CASE FOR SPENDING THIS MONEY ON A.I. AND 
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THAT. TRAVEL AND TRAINING , DEFINITELY RELATED CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN WORKFORCE HELPS US WITH SOME OF THE ACCREDITATIONS THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THIS PUBLIC SAFETY SPACE AND BE ABLE TO INSTALL CAMERAS AND TROUBLESHOOT THOSE ACROSS THE CITY AND FINALLY ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD AND THIS RELATES TO THE THINGS THAT ARE LITTLE BIT MORE FOUNDATIONAL IN TERMS OF RENT AND WORKSTATIONS FOR EMPLOYEES WITH TRASH COLLECTION, MECHANICAL SERVICES, THOSE KINDS TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON , THOSE THINGS THAT GIVE US A LOCATION TO WORK OUT OF. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR GO INTO MORE DETAIL AS YOU GUYS 
          ASK. >> ALL RIGHT, COUNCILOR JOSHI FIRST AND THEN COUNCILOR MINNAAR. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE APPRECIATE IT. I.T. IS A HUGE PART OF WHAT EVERYBODY'S LIVES AND TELL THESE DAYS AND MANAGING THE SECURITY OF THAT IS SUPER IMPORTANT. GOING BACK I HAVE THE THEME GOING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND WHERE THINGS BELONG THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MY BRAIN WORKS SO YOU WILL FORGIVE ME. 
          $225,000 OF THE CAMERA SYSTEMS, HOW DO YOU, DO YOU INSTALL THOSE? ARE YOU FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE? IS THAT A POLICE DEPARTMENT FUNCTION OR YOUR DEPARTMENT FUNCTION BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ADMINISTERED BY POLICE AND THEY WERE SORT OF RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT SO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 
          WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS. >> SO, MY TEAM DEFINITELY HELPS IN THE COORDINATION AND INSTALLATION OF THOSE THINGS. WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE REPLACEMENT AND RETIREMENT OF THOSE THINGS. THE REASON WHY IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO BE IN THE TECHNOLOGY BUDGET IS BECAUSE OF THAT COORDINATION EXPECT ENSURING IS IN IT WERE CORRECT IN THE LOCATION, CAN THE CAMERA BE INSTALLED MAKING SURE THOSE INFRASTRUCTURAL THINGS ARE IN PLACE BEFORE WE DO THAT. THAT IS VERY MUCH COORDINATED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WE ARE NOT JUST RANDOMLY DOING THAT. 
          >> I DID NOT THINK THAT. WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SECURITY. 
          OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE'S DATA IS VERY IMPORTANT WITH CYBER SECURITY. 
          HOW IS THAT MANAGED , IS THAT MANAGED BY YOU, ARE THE POLICIES IN YOUR DEPARTMENT TO DEAL WITH THAT ARE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DEAL WITH THAT AND TRYING TO GET A BETTER 
          UNDERSTANDING. >> FROM A TECHNOLOGY STANDPOINT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A NUMBER OF POLICIES THIS YEAR, DIRECTLY RELATED TO DATA PROTECTION AND HOW WE ADMINISTER SYSTEMS THAT WE PUT OUT THERE. MY DEPARTMENT MANAGES ALL THE EXCESS TO THOSE SYSTEMS ENSURING POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FOLKS THE REQUEST HAVE ACCESS FOR THOSE CAMERAS AND OTHER SUCH THAT THEY CAN GET INTO THOSE THINGS. SAME WITH ACCESS CONTROLS FOR BUILDINGS AND OTHER FACILITIES THAT COMES TO OUR DEPARTMENT, THE TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT WE MANAGE ALL OF THAT. 
          >> COUNCILOR MINNAAR. >> THANK YOU, SIR. A COUPLE QUESTIONS I WILL HIT YOU WITH A COUPLE AND YOU CAN ANSWER. ONE OF THE THINGS I DID NOT SEE UNDER THIS WAS UTILITIES AND HOW YOU ARE SUPPORTING OUR UTILITIES FROM CYBER ATTACKS AND THAT COMES TO THE POINT BY COUNCILOR JOSHI WHICH DEPARTMENT DOES THAT COME FROM AND HOW DO YOU MANAGE IT? AND WITH THIS A.I. FUND, THE $40,000, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT WHAT YOU MEAN ? WE ARE USING 365, PAYING THROUGH CITY WORKS ? 
          >> THROUGH MICROSOFT. >> I SHOULD KNOW THAT. SO. 
          >> I WILL TAKE SOFTBALLS ALL DAY BY THE WAY. 
          >> TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS $40,000 EXACTLY WILL BE USED FOR OUTSIDE OF 365 AND WORKFLOW CURIOUS TO WHAT YOU 
          WILL USE THAT FOR. >> OKAY VERY GOOD. IN TERMS OF UTILITY SUPPORT WE COORDINATE QUITE A BIT WITH UTILITIES ESPECIALLY IN THE SPACE OF THE NETWORKING AND THAT RELATED TO OTHER SYSTEMS THEY HAVE IN PLACE. ALL TECHNOLOGY REQUEST FOR THE END POINT, LAPTOPS AND DESKTOP, ALL THOSE DEVICES COME THROUGH TECHNOLOGY AND WE DO SPECIAL ACTIVITY RELATED TO ENSURING THE NETWORK SPACE THOSE SYSTEMS OPERATE IN IS OPERATING IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT TO ENSURE DATA PROTECTION AND TO MAKE SURE NO ONE CAN GET INTO THE UTILITY. 
          >> I WAS MORE CONCERNED, ALWAYS CONCERN ABOUT PEOPLE'S LAPTOPS. 
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I'M THINKIN MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE ACTUAL OPERATIONS THAT GO IN WITHIN THE CITY OF CARMEL ONE OF THE BIGGEST THREATS I DON'T NEED TO SAY IT. THAT'S WHAT MY MAIN CONCERN IS. 
          >> FOR SURE WE DEFINITELY COORDINATE THE NETWORKING COMPONENTS OF THAT , WE HOPE TO PROVIDE AND PROTECT FOR THEM ENSURING AGAIN BACK TO THE ACCESS CONTROLS AND THOSE PIECES THAT NEED TO BE DONE ALL OF THOSE COME TO THE TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT IN A COORDINATED EFFORT WITH UTILITIES. 
          >> WE APPROVED THE SWITCHES THROUGH INSIGHT WAS THAT PART OF 
          THE PROCESS? JUST CURIOUS. >> IT COULD BE BUT I'M NOT REMEMBERING EXACTLY, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT IS, YES. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WITH SWITCHES THAT GO ON. THE OTHER ITEM YOU ASKED ABOUT WAS THE A.I. FUND OR ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. $40,000 AT THE MOMENT. WOULD WE HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT WORKING TOWARD WITH THAT IS TO THINK ABOUT THAT IS HOW CAN WE PUT SOME GENERAL A.I. CAPABILITIES OUT THERE, THE EXAMPLE I WOULD USE IS MICROSOFT COPILOT AS A CAPABILITY WE COULD ROLL OUT, A.I. CONTINUES TO BE A GROWING SPACE. I THINK THE REALITY IS IF WE WERE TRYING TO DO THAT FOR ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, THAT FIGURE IS I WOULD SAY MAGNITUDE OF ALMOST 6 TIMES THAT NUMBER FOR EVERYBODY. SO THE REALITY IS THE THOUGHT IS LET'S ROLL IT OUT SLOWLY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF GENERAL A.I. ONE OF THE OTHER CAPABILITIES AND THOUGHTS, SOME OF THE USE CASES WE HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS HOW DO WE ENSURE THINGS ON THE WEBSITE ARE EASIER TO WORK WITH SO WHETHER THAT'S RELATED TO HAVING A CHATBOT OR OTHER FEATURES LIKE THAT WHERE FOLKS CAN ASK QUESTIONS, THOSE ARE THINGS GOING THROUGH OUR MIND. REALITY WISE I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONLY PERSON TAKING ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE BUT I WOULD LIKE THE STEERING COMMITTEE TO COME TOGETHER AND WEIGH IN BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE A USE CASE THAT BEING IN THE TECHNOLOGY SPACE I HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT AND IT COULD BE A REAL DEFINITE OPPORTUNITY FOR US. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          >> QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR SNYDER AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. ONE THING I MENTION THIS. YOU GUYS HAVE REVENUES WHY ARE THE REVENUES NOT SHOWING UP IN THE BUDGETS? THE REVENUES BECAUSE OF I.T. EXPENSES IT DOES NOT SHOW ANY OF 
          THE REVENUES? >> WHICH TYPE OF REVENUES? 
          >> RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE CELL TOWER WHICH GENERATES SIZABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY EVERY MONTH, $15,000 CHECK FROM THE JUDGE THIS PAST YEAR THAT DOES NOT SHOW UP ANYWHERE, THEY HAVE 
          GOT , I HAVE A LIST HERE. >> I WILL ADD THOSE ARE BUILT INTO THE OVERALL GENERAL FUND. THE REVENUE ESTIMATES, THEY 
          DON'T SPECIFICALLY CONTROL. >> I AM ASKING WHY, IF THEY ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST SHOULDN'T THEY GET THE REVENUE? WHO WILL PAY FOR THE REPAINTING OF THE TOWER WHICH IS 
          MONUMENTAL? >> ULTIMATELY THE GENERAL FUND 
          OR THE PARTNER WOULD TAKE IT UP. >> SEEMS LIKE A NONREVERTING FUND TO SAVE THE MONEY SOMEWHERE NOT SCRAMBLING WOULD BE A FEW MILLION DOLLARS TO PAINT THE TOWER. 
          >> OUR REVENUE WE GET FROM THE CELL TOWERS IS NOT THAT MEANINGFUL IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS. IN TERMS OF USING IT TO PAINT THE TOWER WE WOULD PROBABLY BE TALKING SAVING OF SEVERAL YEARS AND THEN STILL SUBSIDIZING. 
          >> IT ONLY GETS PAINTED EVERY SEVERAL YEARS. I CHECKED WITH THE COUNTY AND IT WAS LIKE $27,000 A MONTH I DON'T THINK THAT'S LESS THAN MEANINGFUL, ENOUGH TO BORROW AGAINST WITH COMMITTED REVENUE AND COULD ALSO BE USED TO FUND ANOTHER TOWER TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE , JUST A THOUGHT. THE A.I. THING WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO BE IN A SEPARATE PROGRAM? WHO IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS BECAUSE 30,000 CANNOT COVER LICENSING FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE AND MY BIGGEST FEAR IS , IS A.I. GOING TO RESPOND TO CONSTITUENT EMAILS? I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE VETTED AS WE TALK ABOUT RE-LOSING THE HUMAN TOUCH WHICH I HAVE SPOKEN ON SEVERAL TIMES. YOUR STEERING COMMITTEE I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT COME I HAVE TALKED WITH YOU ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT IS GREAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF REDUNDANCIES 
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AND IT IS HUMAN NATURE THAT WHEN YOU RESEARCH COMPUTER SOFTWARE YOU SPEND TIME ON THAT, WHETHER 10 MINUTES OR 10 HOURS, I FEEL LIKE I HAVE VESTED ALL THIS TIME INTO THIS SO IT MUST BE THE BEST ONE WHEN IN REALITY, I.T. BEING THE APOLITICAL JUST DATA BACKED ENTITY REALLY HOW TO BE ASSESSING ALL THE OPTIONS AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE HEADED AND REALLY I LIKE THAT IF I AM UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY. THE , YOUR VEHICLES WHEN I PULLED THAT YOU HAVE A TRUCK FROM LIKE 2014 OR SOMETHING. ARE YOU GETTING A NEW ONE? 
          >> I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO 2009. IT IS ONE OF THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT NEEDS TO BE SWITCHED OUT. BECAUSE I THINK IT IS AT 190,000 MILES. AS WE TALK ABOUT THE FLEET STUFF TO SEE IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO GET RID OF THAT VEHICLE AND SWITCH THAT OUT TO SEE HOW THAT CONSOLIDATES IS MY 
          UNDERSTANDING. >> ALL RIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST THING TO HAVE A VEHICLE FROM 2009 ON CITY BUSINESS. YOU HAVE TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT WANTING HUMAN TOUCH BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ME TO NOT DO THE COMPUTERS. AS WELL AND JUST WANT TO SAY FIX THIS. I THINK YOU MENTIONED HAVING SOMEBODY AT THE COURTS OR HERE AT CITY HALL. DID THAT MAKE 
          IT IN THE BUDGET? >> YES, WE HAVE PLANNED AS ONE FTE, WE WOULD LIKE TO CO-LOCATE SO THEY ARE NEAR CITY HALL COURTS AND CPD. AND THEN HAVE THEM ABLE TO MOVE PART-TIME BETWEEN THERE AND HELP IN THE HIGH TEAMBUILDING ON COLLEGE AVENUE, THE MAIN GOAL IS TO BE ON-SITE AND AVAILABLE. IT IS THE EXAMPLE OF THE WALK UP PLACE WHERE YOU CAN COME AND SAY I NEED THIS HELP. OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT FOR COURTS IS CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE DOCKETS ARE MOVING FORWARD SO THAT BEING CO-LOCATED WOULD DEFINITELY BE HELP SO THERE WOULD BE NO FIVE OR 10 MINUTE GAP AS PEOPLE MOVE AROUND TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IF IT HAPPENS. 
          >> EXCELLENT. YOU MENTIONED WHERE AM I? AS WE CONTINUE TO LEAN MORE HEAVILY ON I.T., AS THINGS GET MORE AND MORE COMPLICATED , IT'S ONE THING WHEN XL WAS NEW AND REMASTERED EXCEL AND MORE THINGS BECOME NEW AND YOU BECOME MORE AND MORE THESE PRESUMABLE EXPERTS IN ALL OF THESE AREAS ENTERING YOUR TRAINING STAYS AND ALL OF THAT WHICH I THINK YOU HAVE DONE. THE THE THINGS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT MEDICATIONS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO DO THINGS, NOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE KIND OF MARKETING COMPONENT THE MASSAGE WORDS AND ALL OF THAT. HAVING YOU GUYS KIND OF THE FIRST LINE AND WHEN THE WATER THING HAPPENED, THE FIRST THING ONE OF US DID WAS EMAIL THE CEO OF THE COMPANY THAT HANDLES UTILITIES INVOICES AND SAID CAN YOU IMMEDIATELY SEND OUT EMAIL AND TEXT MESSAGE TO ALL RESIDENTS AND THE RESPONSE WAS ABSOLUTELY, HERE'S MY CELL PHONE NUMBER. WHY THAT WAS NEVER DONE BUT I FEEL SOMEONE NOT LOOKING AT THINGS IN A DIFFERENT LENS THAT'S TRULY OBJECTIVE WOULD HAVE MADE THE CALL. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD DO YOU SEE YOURSELF MORE ENGAGED IN EMERGENCY COMMITTEE KITCHEN, LESS ENGAGED, TO HAVE THE FUNDING ABLE TO 
          HANDLE THINGS AS THEY HAPPEN? >> SO MY HOPE IS WE ARE MORE INVOLVED IN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS. I THINK THERE'S QUITE A FEW OPPORTUNITIES IN THAT TO SEE HOW WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT BECAUSE THOSE THAT ARE THE RIGHT FOLKS TO BE INFORMED, WHETHER THEY ARE FOLKS THAT ARE RESIDENTS OR WHETHER THAT'S DIRECTLY INTERNALLY TO OUR EMPLOYEES AND THAT YOU NEED TO ENGAGE ON THOSE ACTIVITIES, WE THINK THAT IS AN AREA WE CAN DIG INTO IS A TECHNOLOGY GROUP AND HELP TO SUPPORT, SUPPORTING UTILITIES AS THOSE THINGS OCCURRED IS DEFINITELY IMPORTANT AND OUR COMMITMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EOC IN THE 
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AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THE TECHNOLOGY TEAM PUTS INTO THE SPACE TO ENSURE IT IS UP AND RUNNING AND AVAILABLE IS A SMALL PART OF THE COMMITMENT WE HAVE HAD OVER THIS TIME AND WE WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARD THAT. I THINK PROBABLY THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE AS WE THINK ABOUT HOW THAT COMMUNICATIONS HAPPEN IF THERE IS NOT FUNDING WITHIN THE BUDGET FOR US TO LOOK AT AND TRY TO DELIVER ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME BACK TO THIS GROUP OR ANOTHER GROUP AND DISCUSS WHAT IT IS TO ADVANCE THAT PIECE OF EMERGENCY 
          COMMUNICATIONS PEACE. >> TO COUNCILOR JOSHI 'S POINT I DON'T UNDERSTAND , IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HANDLES IT END TO END AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN WHY THAT IS NOT IN THEIR BUDGET. 
          THERE WILL BE A QUESTION FOR THE POLICE AS WELL AND FINALLY FINALLY LAST YEAR YOU ARE THE MOST DETAILED BUDGET SUBMISSION OF ANY DEPARTMENT. I WOULD SAY COMPARABLE TO THE PARKS. I WILL GIVE THEM THE EDGE, BUT YOU HAD THE MOST TO DETAIL AND IN TALKING TO SOME OF YOUR EMPLOYEES THIS YEAR, THEY SAID YOU WERE SO DETAIL ORIENTED THAT AFTER BEING ABLE TO EXPLAIN HOW MUCH WAS SPENT ON TOILET PAPER LAST YEAR YOU HAVE GENERATED A 
          PRICE PER WIPER QUOTIENT. >> NO I WOULD NOT. 
          >> ANY OTHER COUNCIL QUESTIONS? I HAVE QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO PREFACE WITH SAYING YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB, LOVE YOUR DEPARTMENT, WE ARE FORCED TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS. EVERY DEPARTMENT WE HAVE TODAY HAS BEEN A DECREASE IN THE BUDGET, THE NEXT ONE AFTER THIS WILL SEE A DECREASE. YOU ARE SECOND-HIGHEST IN INCREASE IN YOUR BUDGET OF ANY DEPARTMENT WITH A 9% INCREASE COUPLED WITH FIRE AND POLICE. I HEARD THEM AND IT WAS FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT TO SEARCH FOR CUTS, WHERE HAVE YOU CUT? AND THEN AND WE ARE NOT TRYING TO PIT DEPARTMENTS AGAINST EACH OTHER BUT ARE THERE ANY NEW THINGS YOU HAVE PUT IN THE BUDGET THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY WAIT ON ? WE CAN ALL DESCRIBE AS A NEED, BUT EVERY DEPARTMENT, SOME OF THE THINGS CUT WERE THINGS THAT WERE NEEDED. WITH A 9% INCREASE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS HERE OF COULD WE WAIT A YEAR OR TWO ON SOME OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE AS WE KNOW FUNDING SITUATIONS COULD IMPROVE IN THE NEXT COMING YEARS. COULD REFUND THINGS IN A DIFFERENT WAY? I GUESS THAT'S MY GENERAL QUESTION. WHAT CUTS HAVE YOU MADE AND IS THERE ANYTHING IN HERE THAT CAN 
          POSSIBLY WAIT? >> YEAH. WE CAN TALK THROUGH THE 
          LIST, THE ORIGINAL LIST. >> I ASKED IF IT WAS OKAY . 
          >> ORIGINALLY WHEN WE PRESENTED THE BUDGET WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 1.2 MILLION MORE IN OUR BUDGET THAT WAS RELATED TO ADDITIONAL A/V UPGRADES AND THAT AND THOSE THINGS, WE REMOVED BECAUSE THEY WERE MORE OF A WANT AT THIS POINT. IF WE LOOK AT WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET, A LOT OF THINGS ARE VERY FOUNDATION. THERE ARE THINGS HERE IF WE CHOSE , FOR INSTANCE $125,000 FOR NETWORK SWITCHES TO REPLACE THOSE ON A FIVE-YEAR LIFECYCLE, IF WE CANCEL THOSE THAN WHAT THAT MEANS AS A I.T. GROUP IS WE WON'T REPLACE THOSE , THEN WHEN THE SWITCH FAILS , THEN WE WILL BE IN A SITUATION OF TRYING TO BEG BORROW AND STEAL AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE DO TO BRING CITY HALL BACK UP. SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO FROM THE END OF LIFE PLANNING ACTIVITY IS TO KNOW THAT THESE FOUNDATIONAL EXPENSES ARE GOING TO REMAIN THERE AND HAVE TO BE THERE. BECAUSE IF WE WAITED BECAUSE THIS YEAR WAS AN INTERESTING EXAMPLE AS WE SEE TARIFFS IN THE SLOWDOWN WITH SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGIES WE PURCHASED ALREADY WE HAVE TIMES WHEN WE WAITED 3 TO 6 WEEKS FOR THINGS THAT NORMALLY WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN MUCH QUICKER THAN THAT. 
          THE REALITY IS WE KNOW IF WE DO NOT FUND FOUNDATIONAL END OF LIFE NETWORK SWITCHESAND THINGS LIKE THIS AND GET THOSE REPLACED WE COULD END UP ANYWHERE WITH A 3 TO 9 WEEK ACTIVITY WHERE A CERTAIN ROOM OR CERTAIN BUILDING LOSES LOSES CONNECTIVITY TO THE 
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CITY NETWORK. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS KIND OF , THEIR CRITICAL BUSINESS CONTINUITY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE DO NOT HAPPEN ACROSS THE BOARD. WHEN YOU MENTIONED NEW THINGS. EASY PICKING HERE IS BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT A.I., A.I. IS THE NEW THING LISTED WITH $40,000 LISTED FOR THAT. OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOT THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGER ITEMS, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE THINGS LIKE MICROSOFT, YOU KNOW LICENSING AND THAT FOR THE CITY DID NOT GO DOWN FOR NEXT YEAR AND THAT WAS ONLY WITH A MINOR INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF LICENSES WE NEED KNOWING THE CITY WAS GOING TO STAY PRETTY CLOSE TO EVEN WITH THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE. SO THOSE EXPENSES ARE GOING UP AROUND US SO UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO TO DRIVE THOSE OUNDATIONAL THINGS DOWN. THE NEW THINGS A.I. $40,000 WOULD BE NEW , BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO REALIZE AS A SERVICE PROVIDER WE SEE ALL OF THESE THINGS COMING TO US FROM EVERYWHERE, ASKING FOR THIS OR THAT ESPECIALLY IN THE A.I. SPACE WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE KEPT IT ON THE LIST RATHER THAN CUTTING IT. 
          >> I WILL DEFER TO LATER DAYS BUT I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS LIKE AV TECHNOLOGY FOR UPGRADES, FOR MEETINGS, YOU KNOW FOR THE END OF LIFE THINGS OR IS THIS HEY, WE GOT THE NEW BEST TECHNOLOGY WE NEED TO DO THIS. BROADCASTING MICROPHONES FOR CARTER GREEN, THERE ARE THINGS HERE , ALL THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT , WE ARE CUTTING IMPORTANT THINGS FROM A LOT OF AREAS SO YOUR HEADCOUNT IS THE SAME, SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE. THE CUTS WOULD SAY YOU ASK FOR MORE , SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 20 TO 30% INCREASE IN THE BUDGET NOW IT IS JUST 9%. 
          >> RIGHT, YES. >> COUNCILOR MINNAAR. 
          >> KEVIN THIS IS A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. WHEN YOU CONTRACT WITH PARTNERS, I WILL USE SWITCHES SINCE IT'S OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD , IS THERE A STATE CONTRACT FOR TECHNOLOGY? I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS YOU KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM. ARE YOU ON THE STATE CONTRACT I KNOW THEY OFFER A LOT OF DISCOUNTED PRICES AND PRICING TO CUT DOWN ON YOUR COSTS SO ARE YOU GOING OUTSIDE OF THE KEW PA OR WHATEVER THEY CALL IT NOW? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? 
          >> EVERY PIECE OF SOFTWARE AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE PURCHASE WE DO WORK THROUGH THOSE TO THOSE PURCHASING VEHICLES GENERALLY IF NOT ALWAYS THOSE ARE THE BEST PRICING. FOR THOSE THINGS AND WE ARE LEVERAGING THE SPACES AND REENTER THAT IS REALLY A MOTIVE IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          >> THERE'S A PLACE ALL MUNICIPALITIES CAN GO TO TO GET 
          THE BEST PRICE. >> FOR SURE. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M GOING TO CALL A QUICK LUNCH RECESS. HAS YOUR FOOD GOT HERE YET? SO WE ARE NOT EATING ON CAMERA, THEN WE WILL MOVE TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT AFTER THAT. WE WILL SAY 
          >> ALL RIGHT , IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WE WILL START WITH THE PRESENTATION FOR THE STREET DEPARTMENT. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL BEFORE YOU IS BUDGET FISCAL YEAR 26. AS YOU KNOW YOU PROBABLY READ THROUGH THE ROLES THAT WE PLAY IN THE CITY, I LIKE TO REFER TO MY TEAM AS THE SKELETON OF THE CITY. A LOT OF SUPPORTIVE ROLES ACROSS DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          SOME OF THE 2025 SUCCESSES, IMPROVED EFFICIENCY, CURRENTLY WE WILL HAVE OVER 50% OF THE MARKET INSTALLED ON TRAILER FRAMES WHICH WILL DRASTICALLY REDUCE OUR PERSONAL MANPOWER HOURS. THE TORNADO CLEANUP RESPONSE AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE MOVED BASICALLY TRAIN THE TRAINER SO WE NOW HAVE STAFF TWO TEAM MEMBERS THAT CAN DO IN-HOUSE CDL TRAINING FOR ANYBODY IN THE CITY. AS YOU KNOW ONE DEPARTMENT WE HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT FUNDS WITH A COUPLE CHANGES YOU WILL SEE THIS YEAR, WE WILL BE ADVISING THE STORMWATER FUND, SMALL AMOUNT IN 
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THERE FOR THE DRAINAGE FOR STORMWATER REPAIRS AND THINGS ON THE PAVING LIST. WE ALSO HAVE THE ICE RINK FUND, PURCHASE SAND AND LINE TIMBERS FOR THE ICE RINK. THE GENERAL FUND AND 2201 FUND. SUMMARY OF PERSONAL SERVICES $9,389,832. THAT IS ATTRIBUTED TO 68 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES WITH NO NEW POSITIONS REQUESTED FOR 2026 AND THAT INCLUDES PART-TIME WHICH WILL RANGE 10 TO 13 PART-TIME AND ROUGHLY 20 SEASONAL HELP. SO, MOVING ON TO THE STORMWATER FUND, AS WE SAID WE HAVE $46,000 THAT WE WILL BE BUDGETING FOR THAT , THAT WILL COVER GRAVEL AND SAND, SAFETY SUPPLY , MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES FOR DRAINAGE STORMWATER PROJECT. WE HAVE $36,000 BUDGETED OUT OF THAT FUND, MOSTLY SOUGHT REPLACEMENT, ANY KIND OF REPAIRS TO THE RINK COMES OUT OF THERE. AND THEN WE GET INTO THE GENERAL FUND CONTACT GREEN SPACE MAINTENANCE. $180,000, THIS IS FOR EVERYTHING OUT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY, FERTILIZATION MOWING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS WITH THE MAIN CONTRACT, EVENTS , PART OF THIS IS, AS YOU KNOW LAST YEAR THERE WAS 587,000 TO THE CK M PRODUCED BY THEM TAKING ON CONTRACTUAL EXPENSES. THIS ALSO HAS THE EAST SIDE OF THE CARTER GREEN, DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE PAVILION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THOSE COSTS ASSOCIATED TO IT. FACILITIES. 
          THROUGHOUT BOTH BUDGETS 1206 AND 2201 THE MAJORITY OF CHANGES THAT YOU WILL SEE ARE SHIFTING OF FUNDS TO THE PERIPHERY ACCOUNT CODES SO THERE IS AN INCREASE HERE AND A LOT OF THAT CAME FROM OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES WITH MONEY BEING PUT IN THE RIGHT LINE ITEM. BUT THIS IS CARMEL LOSS FOR SOPHIA SQUARE CIVIC SQUARE GARAGE CITY CENTER IDC THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          LANDSCAPING 112,000, THIS INCLUDES THE MAJORITY OF THIS COST IS OUR THE CHEMICALS FOR THE REFLECTING POOL AND THEN SOME MINIMUM COSTS FOR PLANT REPLACEMENTS. CAPITAL LEASES THIS IS A NEW IN THE 1206 , THIS IS FOR PUTTING ALL OF THE MARKET HUTS ON FRAMES , THE OTHER CAPITAL LEASE THAT WE TOOK LIGHTING OUT OF THIS. SO IT IS A REDUCED NUMBER. THIS WILL PUT THE HUTS ON TRAILER FRAMES WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT SHOULD CUT MAN-HOURS BY MORE THAN 50%. WINTER OPERATIONS. 214,000 THAT IS SNOW REMOVAL, THE DEICER ON ALL THE AREAS. ADMINISTRATIVE AND OVERHEAD COST 171,000, THAT IS MOSTLY ELECTRICITY. AND OTHER UTILITIES ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THE LOCATIONS. IN WATER AND SEWER, THEN WE GET TO THE 2201, CONTRACTED GREEN SPACE MAINTENANCE, 2,217,000 WITH THE MAJORITY OF THAT OUR MAIN SCAPE CONTRACT FOR MOWING MULCHING, FERTILIZATION, FLOWER INSTALL MAINTENANCE AND INCLUDED IN THAT IS ALSO OUR , WE HAVE SMALL AMOUNTS, 75,000 FOR TREE WORK THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE POWERLINES OR HAZARDOUS WHERE WE DON'T WANT TO ASSUME LIABILITY TO TAKE IT DOWN. CONTRACTED ROADWAY AND PATH MAINTENANCE. 
          TOTAL COST OF 5.7 MILLION AND IN THIS PROGRAM THAT INCLUDES 4.4 
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MILLION IN PAVING 250,000 PATCH REPAIR AND RESURFACING, 50,000 ROAD MAINTENANCE AND PRESERVATION, 100,000 THE MAJORITY OF THIS COST OF THIS PROGRAM COMES FROM OTHER RENTAL LEASES INCLUDE OUR ACCOUNT CODES. THIS PROGRAM IS ALL THE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE HELP WITH THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          FACILITIES. 1.328MILLION. THIS, AGAIN, IS A BIG INCREASE. IN THEORY BECAUSE WE'VE SHIFTED NUMBERS AROUND OUT OF OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES TO THE RIGHT ACCOUNT CODES. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR A COUPLE YEARS. IN THIS, WE BUDGET FOR REPAIRS OF THE GAZEBO. CONTINUING TO IMPROVE THE DRAINS AT THE CITY CENTER. TRASH. GARAGE DOOR REPAIRS. THINGS OF THAT NATURE. OUR STREET LIGHT REPAIRS ARE IN HERE. TRAFFIC LIGHT REPAIRS. FLEET. THIS PROGRAM TOTALS $1,082,650. IN THAT, 316,000 IS REPAIR PARTS, GAS AND FUEL, TIRES, TUBES, OIL. 
          AUTO REPAIR MAINTENANCE IS ABOUT ANOTHER 200,000 FOR STUFF THAT WE SEND OUT. LANDSCAPING, 578,000. THAT'S PART OF THAT $800,000 ARE HANGING BASKETS. IRRIGATION, FOUNTAINS COMES OUT OF THAT. THE REST OF IT IS GROUNDS AND MAINTENANCE TYPE THINGS. STATUE REPAINTING, REPAIR. WALL REPAIRS. INSURANCE. 
          ACCIDENTS. IRRIGATION. AND THEN THERE'S 40,000 THERE FOR KIND OF MISCELLANEOUS THINGS WE MAY ADD TO THE LANDSCAPING CONTRACT. 
          STREET PROGRAM. 355,000. 150 OF THAT BASICALLY IS CONCRETE REPAIRS, GUARDRAIL REPAIRS, PATCHING -- MATERIAL FOR OUR PATCHING POTHOLES. 25,000 IN CONCRETE AND THEN SOME RENTAL EQUIPMENT AND THINGS MAKE UP THE REST OF THAT. URBAN FORESTRY. 
          THE PROGRAM THAT IS BASICALLY 150,000 FOR SOME -- WE HAVE TO DO SOME WORK ON U.S. 31 CONTRACTUALLY FOR THE VAPES AND VOLUNTEER TREES. THERE'S 55,000 THERE TO PLANT TREES. ANOTHER JUST OVER 30,000 FOR MULCH AND THEN SOME RENTAL EQUIPMENT. 
          CAPITAL LEASES. ZACH HAS GOT THIS DOWN TO I THINK YOU WENT THE WRONG WAY. THERE WE ARE. CAPITAL LEASES. THE ONLY TWO CAPITAL LEASES WE'LL HAVE FOR '26 THAT AREN'T INCUMBERED FROM THIS YEAR, PAID OFF FROM THIS YEAR WILL BE OUR TRUCK AND THE SOLAR INSTALL THAT HAPPENED IN '23 AT OUR SHOP. SO THAT NUMBER IS REDUCED. WINTER OPERATIONS. THAT INCLUDES BASICALLY 540,000 IN SALT. AND THEN 375,000 IN CONTRACTUAL SNOW REMOVAL. ROUGHLY 40,000 IN BAG SALT. 22,000 IN TRAINING AND TRAVEL. AS WE CONTINUE TO PURSUE OUR APWA ACCREDITATION, ARREAR BACK FORESTRY TEAM MEMBERS, CERTIFICATIONS AND OTHER TEAM MEMBERS ALL INCLUDED IN THERE. ADMINISTRATIVE AND OVERHEAD 
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COSTS. 1.2MILLION. I.T. HARDWARE. 36, 500. COMPUTER REPLACEMENTS. IPAD AND CELL PHONE REPLACEMENTS. I.T. 
          SOFTWARE AND SUBSCRIPTION COSTS. 360,000. THIS INCLUDES OUR PHONE BILLS, OUR IPAD AND PHONE BILLS. THIS INCLUDES THE GEOTAB SUBSCRIPTION COST. THIS INCLUDES EVERY OTHER SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE USED WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT. WEATHER COMMAND. GEOTAB. STREET LOGIC. STREET SCANS WHERE WE GET OUR ROADS SCANNED. THAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THAT. AREAS OF INTEREST, WE HAVE AN ON GOING GOAL OF 70 FOR A PCI RATING. CURRENTLY AT 64. CAPITAL LEASE PAYOFF PLAN FOR MULTIPLE LEASES, AND THEN THE GEOTAB TELLMATICS IN ALL CITY VEHICLES. LAST PAGE, EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE. THE SUMMARY. YOU CAN SEE HISTORICALLY WE HADN'T USED THE STORM WATER OR THE CARTER GREENE FUND AND WE HAD AN OVERALL REDUCTION IN OUR NVH FUND OF ROUGHLY JUST UNDER A MILLION -- YEAH, JUST UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS AND JUST OVER A MILLION 
          DOLLARS IN GENERAL FUND. >> QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? 
          COUNCIL MEMBER MINNAAR. >> I'LL GET IN THE WEEDS A 
          LITTLE BIT WITH YOU, MATTHEW. >> UH-HUH. 
          >> I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. BUT CAN YOU REMIND ME WHY ARE WE HAVING TO PAY FOR THE VINE REMOVAL AND ALL THAT ON 31? IS THERE A REASON? WE DON'T OWN IT. WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR IT? 
          >> WHEN THE STATE CAME THROUGH, THE CITY ENTERED AN AGREEMENT OF MAINTENANCE. MOST LIKELY TO GET MORE DECORATIVE INTERCHANGES. 
          I'M ASSUMING ON THAT ONE. WE'RE BOUND BY THE AGREEMENT. IF WE DON'T, WE CAN CHOOSE NOT TO. IF WE DON'T THEN THEY CAN HIRE WHOEVER THEY WANT TO DO IT. AT WHATEVER COST AND SEND US THE BILL. WE WILL -- I THINK WE CAN FIND A MORE EFFICIENT WORKING WITH MAINSCAPE IN OUR CONTRACT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE LONG TERM LESS COST FOR US TO GO THIS ROUTE THAN WAITING ON THEM TO 
          BILL US. >> QUESTIONS? I'M GOING TO ASK ONE. IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. CAN WE GO TO THE PAGE ON EVENTS? YOU TALKED ABOUT THERE TOO. SO OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT EVENTS, COST WHEN IT COMES TO MANAGING AND PLANNING THE EVENTS. 
          OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE COSTS FOR CITY EVENTS AND OTHER LINE ITEMS INCLUDING HERE. IS THIS, WHAT KIND OF EVENTS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? DO ANY REIMBURSE YOU? JUST THE KINDS OF THINGS WE SEE AND EXPERIENCE OR IS THIS PUTTING UP BANNERS FOR SWIM CITY WHICH I KNOW THEY'RE DOING AT THE MOMENT. WHAT KIND OF, OR PUTTING UP SOMETHING FOR SWIM CITY. IT'S ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE RIGHT NOW. WHAT KIND OF EVENTS AND COSTS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 
          HERE? >> IF I CAN GET TO THE RIGHT PAGE. IN THIS FUND THE MAJORITY OF THIS COST IS ASSOCIATED WITH RENTALS. AND EQUIPMENT RENTALS WHEN WE SET UP THE MARKET. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS THAT ONCE WE HAVE THE TRAILERS ON THE FRAMES, THIS NUMBER SHOULD CONTINUE TO DECREASE. THESE ARE ESTIMATES BASED ON WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HIT FOR THIS MARKET SEASON. IT ALSO INCLUDES GAS, PAINT, TRASH COLLECTION. A LOT OF THE TIMES MOST EVENTS WE HAVE SOME DUMB FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ASSOCIATED WITH TRASH COLLECTION AND STUFF. 
          >> SO IS THIS JUST ALL CITY? >> THIS IS ALL CITY EVENTS. THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF THIS NUMBER WILL COME FROM EQUIPMENT RENTAL. 
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          >> FOR THE -- >> IF YOU TAKE OUT THE CHRISTKINDL MARKET. THE REST IS NEGLIGIBLE? 
          >> THE -- IT'S NEGLIGIBLE DEPENDING ON THE EVENT. WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE COST WITH THAT. HOLISTICALLY THE MARKET HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE BIGGEST COST AS FAR AS EVENTS, I THINK. OUR 
          TYPICAL COST. >> WE'RE TALKING TENS OF THOUSANDS IT OF DOLLARS, NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF 
          DOLLARS. >> YEAH. OUR TOTAL WITH LABOR AND EVERYTHING IS USUALLY AROUND 45,000. 45 TO 60 OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. THAT INCLUDES LABOR AND EVERYTHING. AS WE CONTINUE TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS WE'LL DRIVE DOWN ALL OF THOSE COSTS. 
          >> BUT THE CITY EVENTS ARE NOT CREATING A BURDEN ON YOUR 
          BUDGET, IT SEEMS? >> NOT -- I MEAN NOT, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WITH THE MARKET TAKING ON THOSE CONTRACTS FOR THE DECORATING, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS SET UP, SET UP THE SITE. SO THAT LOWERED OUR BUDGETARY NEEDS BY 
          ROUGHLY 450,000. AND. >> OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MINNAAR. 
          >> I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR OVERTIME BUDGET BECAUSE YOU CUT IT SUBSTANTIALLY AND KNOWING THAT WE CAN NEVER PREDICT WHAT YOUR OVERTIME SCHEDULE IS, WIN WITH ALL THE COST REDUCTIONS YOU'VE MADE. CAN YOU JUST GO OVER FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHERE -- HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THIS REDUCTION IN YOUR OVERTIME COSTS? WHICH I THINK IT WAS 600,000? 
          >> WE REDUCED OVERTIME BY 250,000. WE INCREASED PART-TIME BY 150,000. WITH THE PLAN THAT WE CAN'T PREDICT THE WEATHER SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE TRY TO GO OFF THE HISTORICAL DATA OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, AS EVERYONE'S ALLUDED TO WITH SEA 1, IT'S A NEW REALITY. SO WE'VE HAD TO BECOME STRATEGIC IN HOW WE PLAN. CURRENTLY WE SWITCHED OUR OVERTIME -- I MEAN OUR ON CALL POLICY. THAT'S HELPED IN REDUCING. SO NOW IN THE PAST WHERE WE HAD ONE PERSON, WE WOULD STRUGGLE TO FIND PEOPLE NECESSARILY TO WORK ON WEEKENDS FOR EVENTS AND THINGS. THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE ALL OVERTIME. 
          NOW AN ENTIRE CREW, THE FOREMAN AND THEIR CREW TAKE A WEEK ON CALL. THAT CREW WORKS ALL THE WEEKEND WATERING, EVENTS, ANYTHING THAT COMES UP. THEY'RE ABLE -- THEY COMP THAT TIME AND THEY HAVE TO UTILIZE THAT TIME WITHIN THE NEXT, BEFORE THEY GO ON CALL AGAIN. THEY HAVE TWO MONTHS TO UTILIZE WHATEVER POTENTIAL OVERTIME THEY MAY GET. THAT'S HELPED. HISTORICALLY A PAY PERIOD FOR WEATHER EVENT MAY BE AROUND $44,000 IN OVERTIME FOR A PAY. THIS YEAR WE'VE HAD ONE PAY THAT WAS $187,000 IN OVERTIME BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PREDICT THE WEATHER. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE POSITIONED THAT MOST OF OUR OVERTIME TYPICALLY WILL FALL ON THE FIRST 12 PAYS. BEFORE I BRING UNSEASONAL HELP I DO HAVE SOME CUSHION THERE. AS WE HAVE WORKED TO NARROW TO ZERO BASE BUDGETING, IF WE WERE TO -- I WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE 550,000 TO WORK WITH BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL TO SHIFT THAT PART-TIME TO OVERTIME IF I NEEDED IT. I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED IT. NECESSARILY. WE CAN'T PREDICT THE WEATHER. WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY THERE BUILT IN. IT WAS AN EFFICIENT RESPONSIBLE WAY TO GIVE US THAT CUSHION AND YET REALISTICALLY DROP SOME NUMBERS AND DROP SOME 
          MONEY. >> I APPRECIATE THAT AND I REALLY GIVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT FOR DOING THAT. I KNOW IT WASN'T EASY FOR THE EMPLOYEES LOSING OUT ON THAT OVERTIME. 
          SOME OF THEM REALLY DEPENDED ON IT. DEPENDENT ON IT. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU KUDOS TO TAKING THE TIME TO CONSIDER YOUR EMPLOYEES THE BEST WAY YOU COULD. THANK YOU. 
          >> UH-HUH. >> DOWN COUNCILOR LOCKE. 
          >> 68 CURRENT POSITIONS. IS THAT ENOUGH PEOPLE WITHOUT THE 
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OVERTIME TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN SERVICE LEVEL? 
          >> WITH WHAT BUDGET IS PREPARED I BELIEVE WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR SERVICES. DOES IT REQUIRE SOME CREATIVE APPROACHES? YES. IT'S DEFINITELY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SUCCESS. YOU KNOW. SO YOU HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE'VE GOT. SO IS IT IDEAL? NO. WE DO A LOT OF THINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND I WOULD -- WE TRY TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN. WE'LL FIND OUT. I FEEL LIKE IT'S AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER FOR THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADING AND I FEEL LIKE WITH THIS BUDGET IT'S WHAT -- WE BUDGETED WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAINTAIN EXPECTATIONS. THE BAR IS PRETTY HIGH. WE'VE HELPED SET THAT BAR. WE UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS. I THINK WE WERE CAREFUL HOW WE PLANNED THE BUDGET SO WE CAN MEET THOSE EXPECTATIONS. 
          >> AND THEN ON THE EVENT SIDE, I KNOW WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE WORK YOU GUYS DO FOR THE CITY. ARE WE LOOKING AT COLLECTING MORE MONEY FROM EVENTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY? OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A BIG MOVING PROCESS THERE. BUT I FEEL LIKE WE HAD MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS BEING APPROPRIATED FOR THE SERVICES LAST YEAR THAN WE DO THIS YEAR. 
          THAT JUST MIGHT BE CHANGES IN PROCESS. WONDERING IF THERE'S A THOUGHT, SPECIFICALLY LIKE CHRISKINDL MARKET COMING UP. 
          DOING THINGS TO MINIMIZE THAT AMOUNT OF WORK, MAN HOURS IT'S GOING TO TAKE WITH THE TRAILERS AND THINGS IS GREAT. WE TOOK A LARGE REIMBURSEMENT FROM THEM LAST YEAR. 
          >> PERSONALLY I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE CONVERSATION IS ON LIKE REIMBURSEMENT FOR PERSONAL SERVICES. THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH ALL THOSE CONTRACTS THEY'VE TAKEN THEM ON IN HOUSE. 
          SO TO MY KNOWLEDGE THEY ARE PURSUING ALL THE SAME VENDORS WITH THE SAME EXPECTATIONS. THEY'RE JUST MANAGING THOSE 
          CONTRACTS WITHIN. >> GOTCHA. QUESTION ABOUT THE ICE RINK. YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE LINE ITEM HERE FROM THAT FUND WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BUY STUFF FOR IT. I'M WONDERING AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR ZACH OR THE MAYOR, WHO ADMINISTERS THE FUND IN THAT PROCESS? IS THAT SOMETHING WE DO FROM CENTRALIZED OR DO STREETS 
          HAVE CONTROL OVER? >> I NEED TO LOOK UP AND SEE WHO MY CODE IS OVER THAT FUND. FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO AN EXTENT MAKES SURE THAT WE'RE NOT REQUESTING MORE FUNDING THAN IS AVAILABLE. I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK TO SEE WHO LEGALLY IS OVER 
          IT. >> I ASK BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT WHATEVER 36,000, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS HERE. THERE'S 550,000 APPROPRIATED FROM THAT FUND AND I KNOW IT WAS REFERENCED HAVING ACCESS TO THAT WONDERING WHICH DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO ADMINISTER THAT OTHER. OBVIOUSLY IT'S DURING SETUP. OTHER THINGS RELATED TO THE OPERATION OF THE ICE RINK ITSELF. WHERE THAT 
          MONEY IS GOING. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. 
          >> THANK YOU. KIND OF AN OVERALL GENERAL QUESTION. SINCE I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP AND YOU PROVIDE COUNTERPOINTS TO THEN INEVITABLY PROVE I'M RIGHT. 96% OF ALL COUNTIES USE PAYZER. WHY DO WE FEEL THE NEED TO BE DIFFERENT AND USE A PCI RATING THAT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO COMPARE STANDARD LEVEL OF CARE TO OTHER COMMUNITIES? THOSE NUMBERS CAME STRAIGHT FROM LTAB. 
          >> LTAB DID A GOOD JOB OF PUSHING BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A REAL COST TO IT IF YOU SEND SOMEBODY OUT THAT'S BEEN TRAINED TO VISUALLY INSPECT THE ROAD. ONCE YOU GET INTO SCANNING THE ROADS WHETHER IT'S THROUGH IMAGERY OR IT'S THROUGH LASER SYSTEM LIKE WE USE OR OTHER, WHETHER IT'S LIDAR. ARGUABLY PCI IS A MORE ACCURATE COUNT BECAUSE THERE'S BETTER BREAK 
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DOWN OVER IT. YOU KNOW, TAKING OUT THE HUMAN ELEMENT OF IT'S A FOUR. IT'S A SIX. YOU TAKE THAT OUT OF IT, IT BECOMES WAY LESS SUBJECTIVE. I THINK FOR US THAT'S WITH THE SYSTEM AND THE COMPANY WE WENT WITH THEIR MATRIX ARE BASED IN PCI. THAT'S THE MAIN REASON. I'VE LOOKED. YOU KNOW. IT GET AS LITTLE CHALLENGING WHEN YOU GET IN RURAL COMMUNITIES AND YOU'RE TRYING TO COMPARE APPLE APPLES. THREE STATE ROADS UP NORTH OF ME AND ON A RATING SCALE IT MAY LOOK REALLY GOOD BUT IT'S CHIP SEALED ROAD THAT DOESN'T REALLY -- I MEAN IT'S NOT THE SAME. 
          >> YOU WALKED RIGHT INTO MY ARGUMENT. WHICH IS A ROAD THAT IS FULL OF CRACK SEAL BUT PCI RATING SAYS IT'S GREAT IS NOT A ROAD THAT A NORMAL HUMAN BEING THAT KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ROADS WOULD THINK IS A GOOD ROAD. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THE PCI RATING IS FAR MORE IN DEPTH. BUT I'VE ALSO DONE LIDAR, VISUAL AND SCANNING AND HAD THEM CONVERTED BECAUSE IT'S UNIFORM AND BECAUSE IT HELPS THE STATE ON THE DATA. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THESE IT STILL, I TALK ABOUT AND WILL CONTINUE TO PREACH THAT THERE'S A LEVEL OF EXPECTATION AND A ROAD JUST BECAUSE IT'S STRIPED WITH CRACK SEAL IS NOT A GOOD ROAD. WHETHER IT'S STRUCTURALLY SOLID, SURE. BUT IS IT WHAT OUR COMMUNITY EXPECTS? NO. IT'S NOT. BESIDE THAT, MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS. I QUESTION MAYBE YOU KNOW OR MAYBE THIS IS FOR BRADLEY. NORTH SIDE OF 116TH STREET BETWEEN 31 AND WESTFIELD BOULEVARD. THEY WENT THROUGH AND DID PAVEMENT REPAIRS. REPAIRS ON A MULTIUSE PATH. WAS THAT MAINTENANCE OR NEW PROJECT? 
          >> I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH BRAD. I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY PART 
          OF OUR MAINTENANCE CONTRACT. >> SO THEN IF IT WAS, THEN I WOULD ARGUE WE JUST SHORTENED THE LIFE OF THAT TRAIL SUBSTANTIALLY BY DOING FULL DEPTH PAVING AND CREATING 67 NEW JOINTS PUTTING IN PATCHING WHICH CREATED HUNDREDS OF LINEAR FEET OF NEW JOINTS WHEN MILLING AND RESURFACING. ANYBODY, I THINK, WOULD THINK IS A MUCH BETTER APPROACH. AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH SOME OF THIS, I KEEP TALKING ABOUT EXPECTATIONS VERSUS GOOD. GOOD IS YEAH, YOU CAN GO FIX A POTHOLE. THAT'S GOOD. BUT IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? I DON'T. I DON'T THINK MOST OF THE COMMUNITY DOES. I'LL GET OFF MY SOAP BOX THERE. I'LL COME BACK TO THESE BUDGET QUESTIONS. THERE'S $214,000. 
          ONE PROBLEM I'M HAVING IS THE PROJECT ACTIVITIES DON'T NECESSARILY MATCH SO THERE'S -- NOT ON THIS ONE. THERE'S $214,000 FOR OUT OF RIGHT OF WAY SALT AND SHOVELING. WHY ARE WE DOING THINGS ON PROPERTIES WE DON'T OWN? UNLESS IT'S A PURE. 
          >> TARGETING GARAGE, CIVIC SQUARE GARAGE, THOSE ARE ALL OUT 
          OF RIGHT OF WAY AREAS. >> WHY ISN'T THAT CALLED -- WHY IS THAT UNDER PROGRAM -- FORGET WHAT PROGRAM IT'S UNDER. WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY THAT? IT'S UNDER A FUND THAT DOESN'T QUITE -- IT'S UNDER THE GENERAL FUND BUT LABELED JUST OUT OF RIGHT OF 
          WAY. >> WINTER OPERATIONS. 
          >> WINTER OPERATIONS. WHICH I THINK DOESN'T QUITE TELL THE STORY WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE PROPERLY LEGAL AGREEMENTS TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THOSE. I THINK IT'S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE. IT JUST COULD BE A RED FLAG OR CONFUSING IF SOMEBODY IS LOOKING INTO THIS. 
          GASOLINE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST AND I KNOW YOU AND I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION. I HAVE NO IDEAS. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT WORKS. WE STILL RELY ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? AND THE MORE I'VE LOOKED INTO THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DIESEL FOR THEIR BUSES. MATT, YOU PROBABLY WOULD FIGHT FOR DIESEL FOR MOST OF YOUR STUFF. ARE ALL OUR FLEET VEHICLES GASOLINE. AT WHAT POINT ARE WE BIG ENOUGH THAT WE DON'T EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS FOR OUR 
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          PETROL? >> THE DEAL WE HAVE WITH THE SCHOOLS IS BASICALLY WHATEVER THEIR WHOLESALE PRICE IS THEY MARK IT UP BY 1% TO COVER THEIR ADMIN COSTS AND REPLACEMENT, MAINTENANCE OF THEIR PUMPS. THINGS LIKE THAT. IF WE'RE GOING DIRECTLY TO THE PUMP IT WOULDN'T BE THAT 1% BUT IT'D BE THE 7% SALES TAX ON THAT. I THINK WE COULD CONSIDER HAVING OUR OWN TANKS AND EVERYTHING, BUT THOSE DO CREATE KIND OF A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE DOWN THE ROAD JUST IN TERMS OF LEAKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'VE NOT -- I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE LOOKED INTO IF WE WOULD TAKE THAT ON OURSELVES. 
          >> 1% OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT ON GAS IS A LOT OF MONEY. 
          PROVE ME WRONG, BUT I THINK. >> YEAH. 
          >> I THINK WE SHOULD ATTEMPT TO NEGOTIATE. 
          >> WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT A MILLION BUCKS ON FUEL A YEAR 
          COMBINED BETWEEN GAS AND LYSYL. >> OKAY. 
          >> THE, WHILE I'VE GOT YOU, HOW ARE WE -- SO HISTORICALLY MONEY COMES IN AND IT'S DUMPED INTO MBH. BASED ON THE NUMBERS ME TRYING TO TRACK BEST I CAN, IT'S NOT ALL COMING FROM MVH FUND. WE'VE DUMPED MORE MONEY THAN WE NEED TO INTO IT. LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE TRIED TO FIX THAT, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT THING. 
          SO THE MONEY THAT -- SO IN THEORY THE MVH FUND SHOULD BE 
          DECREASING. >> YEAH. SO LET'S SAY FOR THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE THE TOTAL MVH APPROPRIATIONS WERE IN THE BALLPARK OF $28 MILLION. THAT USUALLY MEANS SOMETHING LIKE 6 TO 7 MILLION COMES FROM THE STATE IN THE FORM OF LIKE TRUE BMV GAS TAX, REAL MVH DOLLARS. WE PUT THOSE IN OUR MVH FUND. WE ALSO GET -- WHEN WE'RE SETTING OUR PROPERTY TAX RATES EACH YEAR WE PUT A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS ON THE OPERATING SIDE OF THE EQUATION INTO THE MVH AS WELL. THAT'S HOW WE PUT IN LIKE ANOTHER $21 MILLION A YEAR TO GET TO THAT 28 MILLION. 
          THROUGH KIND OF PAYING OFF CAPITAL LEASES, SOME OTHER BELT TIGHTENING. STREET DEPARTMENT AND ENGINEERING. WE'RE ABLE TO GET INSTEAD OF NEEDING 28 MILLION NEXT YEAR, I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO 26.6. SO I'VE, I'VE THROTTLED THAT PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS THAT WE PUT INTO THE MVH. I WAS ABLE TO SHIFT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE GENERAL FUND OF THAT DISTRIBUTION BECAUSE WE DIDN'T NEED IT IN THE MVH. WE'LL STILL CARRY FORWARD A BALANCE OF WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS JUST IN CASE REVENUES DON'T COME IN AS EXPECTED. I THINK TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE NOW IN A GOOD SPOT ON THE MVH. 
          >> AS THAT NUMBER DECREASES AND I KNOW I BRING THIS UP AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ON ONE SIDE OF THE FENCE OR THE OTHER. MVH FUNDS. 50% IS RESTRICTED. 50% UNRESTRICTED. I HAVE ACCOUNTS GIVES ONE INTERPRETATION OF WHAT RESTRICTED FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR. STATE AUDITOR'S OFFICE GIVES AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW. 
          >> ED TO BEST I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE, THE STATE REALLY ONLY CARES, THE AUDITORS REALLY ONLY CARE ABOUT THE PORTION THAT'S COMING FROM THE STATE. THE BMV GAS TAX FEES. THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT PART IS USED. THAT'S WHERE THE REQUIREMENT THAT HALF HAS TO BE USED IN A CERTAIN WAY. SO WE TRACK HALF OF THAT REVENUE SEPARATELY THAN WE DO ANYTHING ELSE JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S ONLY PAVING TYPE PROJECTS BEING EXPENSED TOWARDS THAT. THE REST OF THE TRUE MVH IS USED FOR OTHER PURPOSES WITHIN BOTH DEPARTMENTS. BUT THEN WHAT WE GET FROM THE PROPERTY TAX PIECE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING INTO OUR MVH FUND, IT DOES NOT APPEAR THE STATE TAKES EXCEPTION TO HOW WE 
          USE THOSE DOLLARS. >> I WOULD AGREE. ALL I WANTED TO HEAR IS HOW YOU'RE TRACKING IT. SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE. 
          >> YEP. >> THE MONEY THEN. ADAM, YOU CUT 
          ME OFF LIKE FOUR TIMES. >> YOU'RE GOOD. 
          >> I'M TEASING YOU. GO AHEAD. I'LL COME BACK. OKAY. MATT, ON THE -- EXCUSE ME. EVENTS ICE AT CARTER GREEN. YOU HAVE THAT 
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36,000. I COULDN'T FIND WHAT YOU SAID IT WAS. MONEY SPENT ON SOMETHING ELSE. BASED ON WHAT I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE THE PROGRAM ACTIVITIES DON'T MATCH WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE GOING EVEN ON THE SURFACE. 
          SOUNDS LIKE RYAN GOT IN DEEPER TO IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THERE'S A PROGRAM CREATED. DO YOU THINK THAT -- SO 36,000. IS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT IS LISTED HERE OR FOR WHAT IS -- THIS TALKS ABOUT LOGISTICS, CLEANUP, TRAFFIC CONTROL. PUBLIC SAFETY. AND REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES OF 14,000 OR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE OF 16,000 WHICH IS THE LIONS SHARE OF THIS BUDGET. 
          >> SO HISTORICALLY WE'VE ATE THOSE COSTS WITHIN OUR BUDGET. 
          TYPICALLY, I BELIEVE, IT'S ESTIMATING -- HOLD ON, I HAVE IT HERE. THAT INCLUDES THE SOD INSTALLATION ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE GREEN. THE PROPANE REFILLS. AND FOR THE FESTIVAL OF ICE STUFF, THE HEATERS AND SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS WITH THE RINK SETUP AND TEAR DOWN. HISTORICALLY WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TURN IN THROUGH MARKETING LIKE WHEN WE HAD TO REPLACE DASHERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE THINGS GOT COVERED OUT OF THAT FUND. BILLED THROUGH MARKETING. OR CRED BEFORE. SO ALSO THE GLYCOL SYSTEM THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT FUND. 
          >> WHY WOULDN'T THE ICE RINK FUND BE PAYING FOR THE ICE RINK? 
          >> IT HAS. WE HAVEN'T HAD A NEED FOR IT YET. IF WE END UP NEEDING GLYCOL, IT'D PROBABLY BE IN OTHER MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES 
          LINE. >> OKAY. I'M GOING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION RYAN DID MAYBE IN A DIFFERENT WAY THOUGH. BEING PULLED IN MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS AND HAVING MORE THINGS ADDED, LIKE THE FLEET SERVICES, THE GARAGE. BACK TOWER BAN FORESTRY WHICH IS ANOTHER QUESTION WHICH I CAN ANSWER, SOMEBODY ELSE CAN WHAT THE FUTURE OF THAT IS. IT STILL SEEMS JUST FROM A BLACK AND WHITE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE. AND YOU KEEP SAYING YOU CAN MANAGE. I JUST WANT TO HEAR YOU SAY AGAIN THAT YOU'RE FINE. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIGHT FOR IT, WE SURE 
          AS HELL CAN'T. >> I THINK WE'RE AT THE CREST OF WHAT WE CAN DO. A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON WHAT COMES ON BOARD IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. WE'RE REACHING A POINT WHERE THE DECISION WILL HAVE TO BE INCREASE MORE OVERTIME OR INCREASE STAFFING. DEPENDENT. I TRY TO BE CREATIVE IN HOW WE APPROACH AND MANAGE THE DEPARTMENT. SOMETIMES IT MEANS WE DON'T DO THINGS HOW WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THEM. THERE ARE THINGS AS WE IDENTIFY THINGS IN AREAS GOING FORWARD AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH YOU MENTIONED THE FLEET. THE GOAL OF THE FLEET IS THAT THERE'S A SINGULAR FUNNEL OF INFORMATION AND DATA AND PROCESSES SO THAT ALL THE DIFFERENT GARAGES ARE OPERATING THE SAME WAY WITH THE SAME SET OF EYES ON IT, MAKING SURE WE'RE COLLECTING THE SAME INFORMATION AND WE'RE PUTTING OURSELVES IN A POSITION TO HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR PURCHASING OF OIL, TIRES, THINGS LIKE THAT. INTERNALLY MY GARAGE IS GOING TO BE TAKING ON MAINTENANCE IF I THINK IT'S 18 VEHICLES. BUT MY TEAM MEMBER WILL BE HELPING OVERSEE BIG PICTURE FLEET OF THE CITY SO THAT ALL OF THE SAME INFORMATION IS GOING AND THE INSPECTIONS AND ALL THAT STAYS CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD, ACROSS THE CITY. THIS TIME NEXT YEAR AFTER WE START COLLECTING ALL THE DAY AND GET THE INFORMATION ACROSS THE CITY IT MAY LOOK DIFFERENT. IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT -- WE MAY NEED ANOTHER MECHANIC. WE MAY HAVE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH UTILITY LOCATES. IN MY BUDGET ALMOST QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS WAS CUT OUT BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO SHIFT THE ELECTRICAL LOCATES TO UTILITIES WHICH WE WERE HAVING 
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TO CONTRACTUALLY PAY FOR. THEY HAD LOCATE SYSTEM, LOCATORS GOING TO SITES. IT MAKES MORE SENSE THAT TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AND COLLABORATIVE THERE. WE'RE PRETTY THIN. THIS IS GOING TO -- THIS WILL BE A CHALLENGE. I THINK IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR 
          EVERYBODY. >> DO YOU THINK EVERYBODY EMPLOYED BY YOU MAKES THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF MONEY? 
          >> UM, I BUDGETED FOR WHAT I THINK IS THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF MONEY. I HAVE SOME -- I HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON SOME 
          CHANGES. I BUDGETED ACCORDINGLY. >> IT'S A GOOD ANSWER. AND THEN I APOLOGIZE TO YOUR DATA COLLECTION POINT AND THIS IS SIMPLY AN OPINION PIECE. THIS ISN'T -- DO YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE AS THE STREET DEPARTMENT THE ONES MANAGING THIS TECHNOLOGY AND DATA GATHERING? OR SHOULD YOU JUST HAVE A PORTAL TO BE ABLE TO SEE? SEEMS LIKE -- SHOULD THAT BE I.T. GOES AND PURCHASES IT AND YOU HAVE ALL THE ACCESS BUT WHEN THERE'S PROBLEMS -- JUST SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU NEED -- THIS STUFF IS COMPLICATED. IF YOU NEED AN I.T. GUY OR SOMEBODY DOING I.T. 
          WORK, EVEN JUST MAKING THE TWO HOUR PHONE CALL TO THE SOFTWARE COMPANY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON, SHOULD THAT BE YOU OR 
          I.T.? >> IN THIS CASE IT SHOULD BE US. 
          SO I.T.'S INVOLVEMENT IS THEY'RE WORKING TO HELP INTEGRATE THE GEOTAB WITH CITY WORKS SO IT AUTO KICKS OFF WORK ORDERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE HEAVILY INVOLVED ON THAT SIDE OF IT. ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE WITH THE ENTERPRISE THING. OUR RESELLER OF GEOTAB IS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY TO FIGURE OUT THE LOOPHOLES AND THOSE LOOPHOLES WILL ONLY COME OR THE ISSUES WILL ONLY BE MOSTLY FOCUSED THROUGH THE MECHANICS. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY -- THERE'S NOT A THING FOR I.T. TO MANAGE FROM THAT STANDPOINT. IT'S ON THE COMPANY TO FIX. GEE E OWE TAB HAS BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT THAT. 
          ONE THING ABOUT A BIG BROTHER TYPE OF THING. WE'VE BEEN UTILIZING TELEMATICS FOR CLOSE TO SEVEN YEARS. IT HAS GREATLY REDUCED OUR INEFFICIENCIES. SNOWPLOW ROUTES. THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT'S GREATLY HELPED ON THE MAINTENANCE ASPECT TO GET ALL THE IT'S THAT'S THE MAIN GOAL OF IT; RIGHT? OUR DEPARTMENT SEVEN YEARS AGO EVERYBODY THOUGHT THIS IS JUST TO GET US IN TROUBLE. IN SEVEN YEARS I CAN COUNT ON PROBABLY ONE HAND THE AMOUNT OF TIMES WHERE ANY OF IT HAS BEEN USED AND ONLY IF SOMEBODY HAD CALLED IN OR REPORTED SOMETHING AND WE'VE HAD TO LOOK INTO IT. NOBODY THAT I KNOW OF ACTIVELY SETS OUT TO LOOK FOR THOSE THINGS. AT LEAST NOT IN MY DEPARTMENT. HOW THIS WILL BE SET UP IS CHIEF STERLING WILL BE THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS ACCESS. WHOEVER HE DECIDES FOR POLICE, CHIEF AND HIS FIRE GUYS. THAT'S THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY GET ACCESS TO KNOW ANYTHING. THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO LOCATION OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT'S A VERY ROBUST SYSTEM. WE'RE NOT -- WE HAVE NO INTENSE OF BEING A BIG BROTHER TO THE CITY FLEET IN ASPECT OF DRIVER BEHAVIOR AND THINGS LIKE 
          THAT. >> QUESTIONS? WHICH GARAGES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MAINTENANCE COSTS? TALKING 
          ABOUT WHICH GARAGES? >> SO SOPHIA SQUARE, IDC, CITY 
          CENTER, CIVIC SQUARE. >> I JUST MAKE THIS AS A COMMENT THAT WE CAN DO NOW. THIS IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT WHENEVER WE HAVE PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS TO LOOK AT PARKING AGREEMENTS. SOME OF THESE GARAGES WHILE THEY DO HAVE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES THEY HAVE PRIVATE TENANTS THAT TAKE UP A LOT OF SPACE OR TAKE BIG USES. AND SOME OF THOSE MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR SOME OLD DEALS ARE STILL ON US FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO DO ALL THIS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THESE WERE WRITTEN UP. IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> YEAH, THAT'S FAIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ENGINEERING. 
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          >> WE HAVE ENGINEERING AND AFTER THAT IS POLICE AND I TEXTED THE CHIEF TO LET THEM KNOW HOW WE'RE DOING THE SCHEDULE. 
          >> AFTERNOON. EXCITED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE ENGINEERING 
          DEPARTMENT IN OUR 2026 BUDGET. >> GOOD GRAPHICS. I WAS JUST MAKING A JOKE WITH THE TRANSITION. 
          >> THOUGHT I'D PEP IT UP SINCE WE'RE LATE IN THE AFTERNOON. 
          JUST GOING TO TOUCH BRIEFLY ON THIS. WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO IT. IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO LOOK AT THE OVERVIEW. THERE'S FIVE, FOUR FUNDING SOURCES, FIVE FUNDING SOURCES, SIX PROGRAMS. FUNDING SOURCES ON THE LEFT AND HOW THAT GETS TO OUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS ON THE RIGHT. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO 2025 SUCCESSES FOR ROUND ABOUTS. 28 CROSSWALKS ARE JUST ABOUT DONE. EIGHT DIFFERENT MULTIUSE PATH PROJECTS. EIGHT MILES OF CONNECTION. NINE SPILL RESPONSES. 23 DRAINAGE COMPLAINTS. 1500 RIGHT OF WAY PERMITS. 27 DEVELOPMENTS ISSUED. 
          PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY GOING ON. 150 CONTRACTORS HAVE BEEN TRAINED. COUPLE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN THERE AS WELL. A LOT GOING ON. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW I AGREE WITH THAT LAST FOUR. HOW I ORGANIZED THE CORE RESPONSES OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. JUST REORGANIZE IT TO HELP EXPLAIN WHAT WE DO AS A DEPARTMENT TO YOU, TO THE PUBLIC, TO OUR OWN TEAM BETTER AND THAT'S OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WHICH IS OUR ROADS, ROUND ABOUTS, MULTIUSE PATH. STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. WATER QUALITY. KEEPING DIRT OUT OF THE RIVER. RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT WHICH IS UTILITY AND OTHER PERMITTING. AND OUR DEVELOPMENT OVERSIGHT GROUP WHICH IS HOLDING THAT HIGH STANDARD FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PRIVATE DEVELOPERS. MOST OF OUR BUDGET IS PERSONNEL. OVER 90% OF WHAT WE DO. THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT TEAMS AND TEAM MEMBERS AND EACH OF THOSE GROUPS. LITTLE OVER $2.6 MILLIONS IN PERSONNEL SERVICES. YOU CLICK OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT TEAM. MOVING TO I.T., SO ONE OF THE EFFICIENCY THINGS SO HE'S JUST TRANSFERRING OVER THERE. MADE A LOT MORE SENSE AS WE LOOK FORWARD. HE'S STILL GOING TO PROVIDE THE SAME SERVICES TO OUR DEPARTMENT. HE'S WORKING IN A LOT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS TOO. WE HAVE ONE VACANCY THERE HOPING TO FILL BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. ONLY OTHER COST OF THIS IS VEHICLES TO SHARE, TRAFFIC EQUIPMENT AND OUTSIDE ENGINEERING FEES WE USE FOR PLANNED REVIEW OR OTHER SERVICES WE DON'T HAVE IN HOUSE WITH OUR OWN ENGINEERS WE RELY ON CONSULTANTS. THOSE ARE ALL THE MVH FUNDS. JUST UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS. THERE'S THREE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS. FOR EVERYONE AT HOME, LOCAL ROAD AND STREET FUND WHICH IS THE STATE GAS TAX THAT GETS SPLIT BASED ON REGISTRATIONS IN THE CITY. AS WELL AS SOME MILES. THERE'S A FORMULA THERE. REVENUES FOR THAT. WHICH YOU SAW IN THE LAST BUDGET. LESS A BOND PAYMENT THAT COMES OUT OF THAT. THE CCI FUND 
          IS -- >> CIGARETTES. 
          >> YEP. DOESN'T HELP IF YOU SMOKE MORE. IT'S NOT BY CITY. 
          YOU DON'T NEED TO SMOKE MORE TO INCREASE THAT. 
          >> BUT IT DID INCREASE. >> YES. IT DID. WE GET A LITTLE MORE REVENUE FROM THAT. CCD IS ANOTHER PROPERTY TAX FUND. THAT REVENUE IS A LITTLE OVER SIX MILLION. LESS A BOND PAYMENT THE YEARLY REVENUE WE HAVE OF THAT IS $421,000. ALL TOLD FOR THAT 
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PROGRAM A LITTLE UNDER $4 MILLION. STORM WATER MANAGEMENT TEAM, MANAGER AND INSPECTOR, PLUS ONE VEHICLE. THAT'S JUST EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ON STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. FLOOD MITIGATION. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. MVH FUNDS THERE. WE ALSO HAVE THE STORM WATER FEE THAT ALL CARMEL RESIDENTS PAY. THOSE REVENUES ARE JUST UNDER $5 MILLION. SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT GOES TO MVH OR THE STREET DEPARTMENT WHICH YOU SAW. LESS THOSE. THIS IS WHAT THE YEARLY REVENUE IS WE HAVE FOR THAT. 
          RIGHT OF WAY TEAM. ONE MANAGER AND INSPECTOR THAT DOES THOSE 3000 INSPECTIONS WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER 10 INSPECTIONS A DAY FOR ONE INSPECTOR. HE'S KICKING BUTT. OUR OTHER INSPECTORS HELP HIM CLOSE THOSE OUT. THAT'S ONE OF THE EFFICIENCIES THIS YEAR. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT OVERSIGHT TEAM TWO DEVELOPMENT REVIEWERS AND TWO INSECTORS MAKING SURE THOSE 27 PROJECTS WE HAVE ON GOING ARE MEETING THE STANDARDS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. AND NAY HAVE TWO VEHICLES. THE REST THE COST THIS IS PAPER FOR THE PRINTER. CELL PHONES. ET CETERA. SO WE'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, MUNDANE THERE, SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE OVER $120,000. WE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE LAST YEAR. REAL ESSENTIAL FOR OUR TEAM TO SAVE A TON OF LABOR HOURS SORT OF SOFTWARES THAT WE COULDN'T PROVIDE THE SERVICE IF WE STOPPED USING THOSE. WE'VE REALLY COME TO RELY ON THOSE AND THEY SAVE US A TON OF TIME. THEN OUR TRAINING AND TRAVEL BUDGET WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LICENSES IN OUR OFFICE THIS TRAINING AND TRAVEL HELPS KEEP OUR TEAM ON THE CUSP OF ENGINEERING STANDARDS AND MAINTAIN THEIR LICENSURE AND CERTIFICATIONS. THIS IS THAT ALTOGETHER AGAIN OVER THE 24 SPENT, 25 BUDGET AND 26 REQUESTS, MODEST INCREASES FROM 24 TO 26. WE'RE DOWN FROM 25. 
          THIS IS SORT OF THE BORING VERSION. YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          VISUAL PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SEE HOW THAT SHAKES OUT. THAT'S IT. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST SLIDE SHOW PRESENTATIONS OF THE ENTIRE 
          SESSION. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          >> IF WE'RE GIVING OUT GRADES. >> SO FAR. 
          >> SO FAR. >> THUS FAR. 
          >> WAIT, WAIT, WE HAVEN'T SEEN POLICE YET. 
          >> YOU BETTER HAVE BROUGHT YOUR A GAME, SIR. 
          >> WHAT'S THE QUESTION? >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. 
          >> ALWAYS CALL ON YOU FIRST. >> CAN YOU GO ONE SLIDE BACK? SO YOUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT REQUEST IS THAT REALLY JUST WHAT'S LEFT OVER AFTER PAYING DEBT? SO NOT REALLY A REQUEST. 
          >> THAT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR LRS, SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BUDGET FOR THE PURPOSES BUT I WANTED TO INCLUDE THOSE. 
          >> I JUST THINK IT'S CLEAR TO KNOW THAT THERE'S REVENUE AND THEN MOST OF THE REVENUE IS CONSUMED BY DEBT, NOT BAD DEAD. 
          NOT COMMENTING ON THE NATURE OF THE DEBT BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A REQUEST. IT'S JUST THE LEFTOVER. 
          >> YEAH. SEVERAL OF THOSE FUNDS IS WHAT REVENUE DO WE MAKE AND THEN WE SPEND IT. WE TRY TO SPEND, I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS WE TRY TO SPEND IT EVERY YEAR WE HAVE IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE HOPING TO SPEND IN '26. 
          >> FINALLY, I'VE BEEN WAITING 367 DAYS FOR AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION AT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WORKSHOP OF THE $800 IN 
          MISCELLANEOUS. >> WE HAVE NO MORE MISCELLANEOUS LINE ITEMS IN OUR BUDGET REQUEST THIS YEAR. 
          >> MUCH APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. >> QUESTION S. 
          >> SOME OF THE BIGGEST CUTS. PROBABLY THE ONE THAT DROVE MOST 
          OF IT? >> YEAH, NOT BACK FILLING THAT POSITION. THERE'S TRAINING AND TRAVEL CUTS WE MADE. WE DID 
          REDUCE THAT FROM LAST YEAR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          >> YEAH. ANOTHER SERIOUS QUESTION THOUGH. I THINK YOUR GUYS DO KNOCK IT OUT OF THE PARK. YOUR INSPECTORS, THAT'S 
          PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT? >> THAT WAS JUST OUR RIGHT OF WAY. NOT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PART. UTILITY CUTS IN THE 
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ROADWAY. DRIVEWAY REPAIRS. THINGS LIKE THAT. NEW YOU TILLTY POLE GOES IN AND THERE'S A HOLE THAT NEEDS BACK FILLED. 
          >> JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW THE MATH WORKS AT 10 A DAY. IF ONE OF THESE PRESUMABLY TAKES AN HOUR, AND IT SHOULD TAKE MORE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S FOLLOWUP. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT HAPPENS. 
          >> WE HAVE ONE RIGHT OF WAY INSPECTOR, TWO DEVELOPMENT REVIEWERS HAVE BEEN HELPING OUT, CLOSED SOME OF OUR RIGHT OF WAY INSPECTION. THAT'S THREE EMPLOYEES BETWEEN TEN A DAY. 
          THEY'RE NOT DEVOTED FULL TIME. MOSTLY RELYING ON ONE PERSON. 
          UNLIKE SOME OTHER INSPECTION SERVICES WE DON'T GET PAID BY THE HOUR. SO THEY'RE QUICK AT BEING EFFICIENT AND MOVING ON TO 
          THE NEXT ONE. >> AT WHAT EXPENSE, I GUESS. YOU KNOW THIS, I'M NOT TELLING YOU ANYTHING. YOU PUT IN ONE PIECE OF CONCRETE PIPE. IS IT DAMAGED? IS THE GASKET ROLLED? IF YOU GO OUT AND WATCH ONE STICK OF PIPE GO IN, YOU'RE NOT REALLY INSPECTING ANYTHING. YOU SAW ONE STICK OF PIPE GO IN. 
          >> THAT'S MORE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW INSPECTORS. 
          >> BUT THEY'RE HELPING RIGHT OF WAY. HOW ARE THEY DOING THE 
          DEVELOPMENT? >> IT'S A RISK ASSESSMENT. 
          WE'RE TRIAGING ALL THE ACTIVITY THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE 50 SQUARE MILES AND TRYING TO DO A RISK ASSESSMENT. THOSE ASSETS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ON, RELIABILITY. WE'RE DOING A RISK ASSESSMENT OF WHERE THEY CAN GO. WHAT THEY A NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I HEAR IT FROM SEVERAL CAN LOOK AT BASIC ARITHMETIC AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE PROTECTING OUR ASSETS BY OBSERVING THINGS INSTALLED OR GO IN THE GROUND WITH THE AMOUNT OF HOURS OR PEOPLE YOU HAVE. 
          >> AND IT'S CERTAINLY A CONCERN, SOMETHING WE MONITOR. 
          THAT SHOWS UP BEST ON THE PROBLEMS WE SEE FROM THE PAST. 
          WE ARE ALWAYS MONITORING THAT. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THIS IS JUST A FOLLOW UP. SORRY IF I'M JUMPING IN BETWEEN OTHER PEOPLES QUESTIONS. WITH BBW JUST APPROVING UTILITIES. 
          CAPITAL ASSET ASSESSMENT, WILL THAT HELP YOU WITH SOME OF THE ON GOING STRUCTURAL NEEDS OR NEEDS YOUR DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE? 
          >> NO, NOT EXACTLY. THERE MIGHT BE SOME PLAY. WE'RE DOING A ROUND ABOUT AND THEN WE CAN WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEM BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE AREA DOING SOMETHING. OTHERWISE STORM WATER 
          UTILITY IS SEPARATE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          >> HAD THIS NOT BEEN A DIFFICULT BUDGET YEAR. THANK YOU FOR MAKING CUTS. AND BEING RESPONSIBLE WITH YOUR BUDGET. I KNOW THERE'S AREAS WE CAN ALWAYS GROW IN OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. ONE AREA THAT WHILE YOU DO A FANTASTIC JOB ON IS STILL A GROWING NEED IS COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC. I KNOW YOU PERSONALLY HAVE TAKEN TIME AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY TO ATTEND HOA MEETINGS IN THE EVENING AND COMMUNICATE PEOPLE AND SO DO YOUR STAFF. WE'RE ALWAYS HIT UP WITH QUESTIONS ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS ROUND ABOUT. WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS PROJECT. WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER THAT. IF WE HAD MONEY I WISH WE COULD INVEST IN THAT MORE. ONE DAY THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW AS A NEED IN OUR CITY IS COMMUNICATING WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT CONSTRUCTION AND FUTURE ROAD PLANS AND WHAT 
          NOT. >> I'LL TAKE A COMPLEMENT AND RETURN ONE. ALL THE WORK YOU GUYS DO SAVES US SO MANY OF THE THINGS YOU'RE ANSWERING YOURSELVES, OBVIOUSLY IF I HAVE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THAT TAKES TIME AWAY FROM BUILDING THE THING. I APPRECIATE THE GREAT COMMUNICATION YOU HAVE WITH OUR OFFICE. IT SAVES US A TON OF TIME. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH WE'LL MOVE ON TO POLICE. 
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          >> HI THERE. >> CHIEF, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. SORRY. JUST GO AHEAD AND START. 
          >> EVERYBODY READY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          EXCITED TO PRESENT OUR 2026 BUDGET ON BEHALF OF THE INCREDIBLE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'LL START WITH OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. THOSE ARE ALL IN ADDITION TO NEARLY 80,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT OUR OFFICERS RESPONDED TO LAST YEAR. OVER 2000 ARRESTS. OVER 2300 ACCIDENTS OUR OFFICES WORKED. ALONG WITH GIVING AWAY TO OUR PEOPLE NINE LIFE SAVING AWARDS. TWO MERITORIOUS LIFE SAVING AWARDS. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE UP FRONT BEFORE I MENTION THESE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. 
          REMARKABLY LOW CRIME RATE. UCR DATA CAME OUT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. PROPERTY CRIME RATE CAME IN. AS COMPARED TO THE STATE OF INDIANA WHICH IS 14 PER 1000 PEOPLE BODES WELL. ALSO OUR VIOLENT CRIME RATE WHICH WAS RIGHT AT .67 PER THOUSAND PEOPLE. WELL UNDER THE AVERAGE OF 3 PER THOUSAND PEOPLE. WE DID QUITE WELL THERE. WE RECENTLY HAVE BEEN AWARDED OUR ACCREDITATION CERTIFICATION FROM THE COMMISSION ON LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCREDITATION. WE ARE THE LONGEST ACCREDITED POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE STATE OF INDIANA. WE'RE OVER 30 YEARS HAVING BEEN ACCREDITED THROUGH THEM. THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR PROGRAM IS ON PACE TO RESPOND TO ABOUT 500 CALLS FOR SERVICE IN THE CALENDAR YEAR. AND THEN WITH THE EXPANSION OF OUR DRONE SITES AND MAYBE SOME PERSONNEL WE CAN SEE THAT TRIPLING IF NOT MORE. 
          GOOD THINGS HATCHING THERE. LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME WE WERE FORTUNATE TO BE AWARDED ANOTHER POSITION FOR CRIME ANALYSTS. WE TOOK THAT PERSON, ASSIGNED THEM TO THE REAL TIME IN INFORMATION CENTER. SHE'S LED THE CENTER IN ACTIVITY. AND THEN THE LAST THING THERE, TWO MORE THINGS. PROCUREMENT SPECIALIST. THAT WAS A POSITION THAT WE REALLOCATED TO FIND SOME SAVINGS AND SHE'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL. SHE'S PAID FOR HER POSITION MANY TIMES OVER IN THE SAVINGS SHE'S BEEN ABLE TO FIND THROUGH SOME OF HER KIND OF SQUEEZING PEOPLE FOR BETTER PRICING. DONATIONS AND GRANT SAVINGS. 138,000 WORTH OF GRANTS WHICH HAVE FUNDED KENNELS, CARRIERS, SOME DRONE PROGRAMS, OPERATION PULL OVER WHICH IS OUR SEAT BELT PROGRAM. OUR OWI ENFORCEMENT, DUI ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM. ALSO OUR BUS STOP ARM VIOLATIONS. THOSE ARE ALL FUNDED THROUGH GRANTS. ABOUT $83,000 WORTH OF DONATIONS WHICH HAVE BENEFITS OUR DRONE PROGRAM, K9 PROGRAM AND SOME OTHER THINGS. 
          THOSE ARE OUR 2025 ACCOMPLISHMENTS KIND OF LAST CALENDAR YEAR. GOING INTO THE NEXT SLIDE, PERSONAL SERVICES YOU CAN SEE THESE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN UPDATED. WE ARE CURRENTLY SITTING 147 SWORN OFFICERS AND 32 SWORN STAFF POSITIONS WHICH LEAVES US 16 SHORT ON SWORN OFFICERS WHICH DON'T WORRY, WE'LL BE BRINGING SOME TO COUNCIL IN THE NEXT MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF. WE'LL BE SWEARING IN QUITE A FEW. ONE PROFESSIONAL STAFF POSITION WHICH WE HAVE VACANT RIGHT NOW. WE'VE HELD THAT VACANT SINCE SOME AUSTERITY MEASURES WERE PUT IN PLACE. 
          WE'RE HOLDING THAT FOR NOW. ONE OPEN POSITION THERE. NEXT SLIDE. 
          EXISTING CAPITAL LEASES. WE HAVE ONE CURRENT CAPITAL LEASE THAT IS PART OF OUR 2025 LEASE. THAT'S THE ONLY OPEN ONE WE HAVE AT THIS TIME. NEXT PROGRAM IS BASICALLY EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE COST FOR OUR UNIFORM PERSONNEL. THAT'S NOT JUST OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THAT'S ALSO OUR CSIS AND COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE SCREEN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT -- THAT THOSE COSTS ARE INCLUSIVE OF. PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST NOTE HERE IS AN INCREASE IN OUR GASOLINE. WE DID PUT IN 10% EXTRA FOR GASOLINE BOTH FOR JUST TRYING TO PROTECT FROM INCREASING COSTS. WE DO ANTICIPATE TO BE FULLY STAFFED NEXT YEAR. WITH 16 MORE CARS ON 
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THE ROAD WE EXPECT TO SPEND MORE ON GAS. MAINTENANCE AND GARAGE EXPENSES. OVER 200 VEHICLES IN OUR FLEET. THESE GARAGE EXPENSES HAVE REMAINED RELATIVELY FLAT YEAR OVER YEAR. AND SO WE'RE SIMILAR THIS YEAR FOR OIL, TIRES AND TUBES. GARAGE MOTOR SUPPLIES. SMALL TOOLS. AUTO REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE. ALL THAT IS INCLUDED IN THERE. IT'S FLAT. PERSONAL SERVICES. OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, SORRY. THIS REQUEST IS VERY FLAT. THIS HELPS FUND THE CHERISH CENTER WHICH WE'VE PAID FOR MANY YEARS OUT OF OUR BUDGET. TOEING FEES THAT SOMETIMES INCUR. OUR PROSECUTOR WHICH WE HAVE AN IN-HOUSE PROSECUTOR THAT WE SHARE WITH THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE. WORKS OUT OF US. AGAIN, THAT'S PRETTY FLAT. WELLNESS PROGRA. SO THIS INCLUDES OUR MEDICAL EXAM FEES, WE HAVE TWO PROGRAMS WE DO ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH. WE REQUIRE ALL OF OUR OFFICERS TO ATTEND BOTH OF THOSE. SO MEDICAL EXAM FEES. 
          THOSE HAVE COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT DUE TO THAT PROCUREMENT SPECIALIST NEGOTIATING GOOD PRICES WE'RE ABLE TO GET GOOD PHYSICAL PRICING THROUGH THE SAME VENDOR. WE ALSO BUILD IN FOR NEW HIRES. WE HAVE TO PUT THEM THROUGH STATE REQUIRED PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH TESTING. SO THAT WAS DOWN A LITTLE BIT. OUR ATHLETIC TRAINER BUILT IN HERE. OUR FRINGE BENEFITS WHICH INCLUDES OUR WELLNESS PAYOUT, VACATION BUYBACK AND ON CALL AND INSTRUCTOR PAYS ARE ALL IN HERE. 
          NEXT PROGRAM IS COMMUNITY OUTREACH. CLASSIFIED ADVERTISING, PROMOTIONAL PRINTING, PROMOTIONAL FUNDS AND THEN A NEW LINE FOR US WHICH IS SPECIAL PROJECTS. SO FROM WHAT WE BROUGHT OVER FROM LAST YEAR THIS WAS DOWN QUITE A BIT. THEN WE IMPLEMENTED THE SPECIAL PROJECT FUND TO HELP WITH THE CITY'S FUNDING OF THE CARMEL YOUTH ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. 
          THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN OUR BUDGET NOW. THAT IS KIND OF THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT INCREASE THERE. 
          >> I'LL JUST CLARIFY, THAT WAS IN A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET PREVIOUSLY. IT'S NOT A NEW EXPENSE TO THE CITY. 
          >> YEP. NEXT SLIDE IS COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS CS OS AND ANIMAL CONTROL. OUR HUMANE SOCIETY SERVICES WHICH WENT UP ABOUT 4.4% THIS YEAR. THEN OUR IN HOUSE ANIMAL SERVICES WHICH HELPED CARE FOR OUR K 9S. VET SERVICES, MEDICATION, LEASHES, E-COLLARS, BOARDING, CONTINUING FEES THAT GO ALONG WITH HAVING A K9 UNIT WHICH YOU'LL GET TO MEET AS WE SWEAR THEM IN TONIGHT. TWO NEW ONES. WE DO HAVE ONE NEW CAPITAL LEASE WE'RE MAKING A REQUEST FOR. THIS HAVE HELP US PURCHASE 22 VEHICLES IN 2026 WHICH WILL HELP US KEEP ON PACE WITH OUR FLEET REPLACEMENT PLAN. THAT'S OUR ASK. AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE IS TRAINING AND TRAVEL. THIS IS PRETTY FLAT TO PREVIOUS YEARS. SO WE BUILT IN BOTH OUT OF STATE AND STATE REQUIRED TRAINING FOR ALL OFFICERS. AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, ALL OFFICERS IN THE STATE OF INDIANA ARE REQUIRED TO ATTEND 24 HOURS OF ANNUAL TRAINING. OUR OFFICERS TYPICALLY DO ABOUT FOUR TIMES THAT, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY GREAT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE. 
          KEEPING THEM APPRISED OF THE MERGING TRENDS AND THINGS GOING ON IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD BUDGET WE THINK THERE TO FUND SOME ADDITIONAL TRAINING FOR INVESTIGATING, INTELLIGENCE, CSIS. MENTAL HEALTH TEAM. OUR DRONE CERTIFICATIONS. MORE PART 107 LICENSES. LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT. QUITE A BIT OF TRAINING WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO WITH THAT MONEY. IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND OVERHEAD, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS MOST STUFF THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDING. SOME OTHER, OTHER THINGS HERE AND THERE. ONE THING I WANTED TO NOTE HERE WAS THE COUNTY CHANGED THE WAY THAT LIT PAYS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT CELL PHONES. CURRENTLY AS IS WE SEND THE BILL TO THE COUNTY AND THEY PAY IT DIRECTL. IN 2026 THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT SO WE'LL PAY AND SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSEMENT. WE WENT UP ABOUT $150,000 FOR THAT REASON BUT WE'LL GET THAT REIMBURSED ON THE BACK END. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT NOTE. THEN I GET TO THE OTHER FUNDS. THE 910 FUND IS ONE THAT YOU ALL HELPED US CREATE EARLIER THIS YEAR. THIS IS OUR FORFEITURE FUND. THE WAY WE PLAN TO USE THIS AND THE WAY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT, THIS WOULD BE UNEXPECTED, UNPLANNED ONE TIME EQUIPMENT PURCHASES, IT COULD BE SOFTWARE DEMOS. SO IF WE SEE A PIECE OF SOFTWARE WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A ONE YEAR TRIAL RUN ON WE'LL FUND IT OUT OF HERE INITIALLY. 
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IF WE SEE VALUE IN CONTINUING TO USE THAT WE'LL BUILD IT INTO OUR GENERAL BUDGET IN THE FUTURE YEARS. ALSO THERE'S AUTO LEASE MONEY IN THERE JUST IN CASE WE'RE ADDING QUITE A FEW DETECTIVES FROM THE FIELD. TWO DETECTIVES IN THE NEXT YEAR. SO MAKING SURE IF WE DON'T HAVE UNMARKED VEHICLES FOR THEM, WE'RE ABLE TO LEASE SOME. IN THE 911 FUND. NINE AGENCIES TOTAL FROM HAMILTON, BOONE COUNTY. AND THEN THIS IS PRETTY SIMILAR TO OTHER YEARS. THIS HAS A HEALTHY BALANCE IN IT. MUCH LIKE THE 910, THIS IS -- DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE. THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO HOW THEY WERE OPERATING TWO YEARS AGO WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO LEASE A VEHICLE TO EACH AGENCY AND THEY ARE ABLE TO TRADE THOSE VEHICLES OUT INTERCHANGEABLY. SO THEY'RE BURNED IF THEY'RE ON SURVEILLANCE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY CAN PICK UP A NEW VEHICLE WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS ASKED. THE PENSION FUND. 801. THIS IS THE SAME AS PREVIOUS YEARS. THIS IS FOR OFFICERS WHO HAVE RETIRE WHO HAD ARE PART OF THE 1925 PENSION. SO THIS IS REIMBURSED THROUGH THE STATE. WE JUST SUBMIT THIS UP FRONT AND GET REIMBURSEMENT ON THE BACK END. OUR 210 ACCOUNT IS CONTINUING. SO WE GET THIS REVENUE FROM COURT FEES, ACCIDENT REPORTS, FINGERPRINTS, GUN PERMIT GRANT WHICH CHANGED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. WE HAVE A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE. THIS WILL BE THE SAME AMOUNT WE'VE ALLOCATED IN THE PAST. $80,000. AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU CAN SEE THE GENERAL FUND TOTAL. FINAL SLIDE YOU CAN SEE OUR BUDGET SUMMARY. SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WE HAD A TOTAL INCREASE OF $2.9 MILLION. THE MATRIX AND THE COLEA INCREASES ACCOUNTED FOR 15.3 MILLION. OUR ACTUAL BUDGET WAS DECREASED BY 209,000. WHEN YOU FACTOR IN WHAT I MENTIONED WITH THE LIT REIMBURSEMENT WE'LL EXPECT 150,000 BACK. I KNOW IT'S OF INTEREST TO YOU SOME OF THE CUTS WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO BRING OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET INTO A DEFICIT. OF THOSE I WANTED TO IT'LL BE A LIST AND I'LL GIVE YOU A TOTAL AT THE END. WE DID ELIMINATE ONE PROFESSIONAL STAFF POSITION. WE TOOK DOWN THE FOLLOWING LINES. UNIFORMS, UNIFORM ACCESSORIES, AMMO ACCESSORIES, DRY CLEANING FIREARMS, OIL, AUTO LEASE, SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS FEES, TASK FORCE EQUIPMENT, TIRES, TUBES, LAUNDRY SERVICES, MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELING, PROMOTIONAL. OTHER MISCELLANEOUS, WATER AND SEWER FOR A TOTAL OF ABOUT $396,000 IN CUTS. 
          >> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? 
          >> THANKS. >> THANKS, CHIEF. TALK ABOUT THE CRIME STATS THAT WERE PRETTY LOW. I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT. IS THAT COMPARING TO THE NATIONAL STANDARDS WITH? 
          >> I WAS USING THE COMPARISON OF STATE OF INDIANA. 
          >> OKAY. >> OUR PROPERTY CRIME RATE WAS 8.1 PER THOUSAND WHERE THE STATE OF INDIANA AVERAGES 14 PER 1000. 
          THEN VIOLENT CRIME RATE WAS .67 AS COMPARED TO THE STATE AVERAGE 
          WHICH IS ABOUT 3 PER THOUSAND. >> OKAY SO WE'RE DOING WELL COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE STATE. BUT JUST SOME QUICK EXAMPLES. YOU HAD THE GRAMMERSY SITUATION. I KNOW VILLAGE WEST CLAY WE HAD 13 BREAK INS AND ONE STOLEN CAR IN THE SPAN OF LESS THAN AN HOUR A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. SEEMS LIKE FROM MY CONSTITUENTS CRIME IS GOING UP. IS THAT THE TREND THAT CRIME IS 
          GOING UP? >> I WOULDN'T SAY THAT CRIME IS GOING UP. I'D SAY IT'S RELATIVELY FLAT. 
          >> OKAY. >> WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT IMMUNE TO IT AND WE'LL SEE POP UP EVENTS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF. WE'RE HOPEFUL TO HAVE A BETTER DASHBOARD BACK ONLINE WHERE WE CAN HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THAT. WHEN PEOPLE SEE CRIME IS WHAT THEY THINK IS IT MUST BE INCREASING. WHAT WE'RE SEEING IT'S VERY FLAT AS FAR AS OUR CRIME STATS. 
          >> OKAY. THEN 163 SWORN OFFICERS ONLY 149 KIND OF SERVING RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE ANTICIPATING FILLING THOSE 15? 
          >> YEAH. WE HAVE FIVE THAT WILL COME TO -- THEY HAVE A HIRE DATE OF OCTOBER 20TH. WE'LL SWEAR THEM IN AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING FOLLOWING THAT. THEN WE HAVE NINE MORE IN BACKGROUNDS. 
          WE'RE HOPEFUL TO BRING THEM IN NOVEMBER 10TH-ISH. POTENTIALLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE CAN BE CLOSE TO BEING FULLY STAFFED. 
          >> GOOD. JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT. HOW MANY RETIREMENTS COMING IN THE NEXT YEAR? 
          >> YEAH, THERE'LL BE SOME THAT TRICKLE OUT. I'VE POLLED THE GROUP. I ONLY KNOW OF TWO AT THE BEGINNING. FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR. ONE COULD POP UP HERE OR THERE. WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. WE GOT A GOOD READ ON WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN. 
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          >> THANKS . >> CHIEF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND YOUR LEADERSHIP. THE JUST REALLY ONE QUESTION. I JUST WAS NOTING THAT YOU MENTIONED IN THE CUTS LINE ITEMS MENTAL HEALTH THAT IN I WERE A RESIDENT LISTENING THAT WOULD WORRY ME. WE ALL ARE HEARING ABOUT THE STRESS AND THE CONCERN OF MENTAL HEALTH. COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT? 
          >> I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLEAR. WE OVERFUNDED MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELING FOR ABOUT 101,000. WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS WE'RE JUST NOT USING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICES. SO WE KIND OF REORIENTED AROUND 85 NO, DOLLARS. THAT IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TO CONTINUE TO FUND ALL OF OUR MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS, COUNSELING FOR ARREARS AND PROFESSIONAL STAFF AS WELL. I HAVE NO CONCERNS WITH THAT. THANK YOU FOR MAKING MENTION OF 
          THAT. >> GREAT PRESENTATIONS. NOT QUITE AS GOOD AS ENGINEERING, SAD TO SAY. 
          >> I UNDERSTAND. >> STILL LOVE YOU ANYWAY. SO YOU AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR SWORN VERSUS CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES. AND WE WERE -- WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE VEHICLES AND THE TAKE HOMES AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND I ASKED YOU SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT YOUR POLICY WOULD BE GOING FORWARD. I THINK IT WOULD BE -- I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FO THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT OUR NONSWORN CIVILIANS ARE ALSO A PART OF THIS WHOLE STRUCTURE AND WHAT THAT OVERTIME LOOKS LIKE FOR THEM AS WELL IF YOU DON'T MIND EXPLAINING THAT PLEASE. 
          >> SO TAKE HOME VEHICLES AND OVERTIME? 
          >> CORRECT. THANK YOU. >> YEAH, SO OUR TAKE HOME POLICY THE ONE THE CITY IS LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE AN EFFECT ON A HANDFUL OF OUR CIVILIANS WHO DO HAVE VEHICLES. 
          OUR CSIS WE HAVE ONE ON CALL THROUGHOUT 365 DAYS A YEAR. THAT CHANGES BETWEEN THE FOUR OF THEM. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO USE THEIR TAKE HOME VEHICLE ON THEIR ON CALL WEEKS. 
          ALSO OUR CSOS KIND OF VERY SIMILAR TO HOW I BELIEVE MENTIONED OF HIS PEOPLE SOMETIMES WHEN THEY COME IN THEY CROSS CITY LIMITS TO COME TO WORK. A LOT OF TIME THEY'RE DEPLOYING TO A CALL. WE WOULD ADVOCATE FOR THE SAME THING. 
          WHEN THEY COME ON DUTY THEY'RE RESPONDING DIRECTLY TO A LOCK OUT OR A NUISANCE CALL, A PARKING COMPLAINT, AN ANIMAL CALL. WE'D ADVOCATE FOR THEM TO KEEP THEIR TAKE HOMES AS WELL. I WOULD HOPE WE'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THEN BACK TO THE OVERTIME POINT. WE HAVE TAKEN A PRETTY MEASURED APPROACH TO OVERTIME FOR PROFESSIONAL STAFF. WHAT WE ASK THEM TO DO TO FLEX OR USE THEIR TIME. WE ASK THEM TO WORK THAT OUT ON THE BACK END. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, EMERGENT CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          CSIS COMING OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. I EXPECT THEM TO BE PAID AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM THEY TURN IN OT SLIPS BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. WE TRY TO USE A COMMON SENSE APPROACH WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          >> COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> EXPLAIN TO ME -- SO YOU HAVE ONE CSI THAT'S ALWAYS ON. THEN DO YOU HAVE OTHERS THAT SHIFT? 
          >> SO WE HAVE FOUR CSIS TOTAL AND THEY ROTATE THEIR ON CALL WEEKS. THEY EACH TAKE ONE WEEK A MONTH. 
          >> OKAY. BUT THEY'RE LOSING THEIR VEHICLES? THEY ARE LOSING 
          THEIR VEHICLES? >> THEY ARE ALL CURRENTLY 
          ASSIGNED A FULL TIME VEHICLE. >> AND THEY'RE KEEPING THEM? 
          >> THEY'LL KEEP AT LEAST ONE THAT CAN BE ROTATED FOR THEIR ON 
          CALL WEEK. >> YOU'RE SHARING A VEHICLE 
          BETWEEN FOUR PEOPLE. >> POTENTIALLY. 
          >> RIGHT NOW HOW IS IT? >> EACH GET AN INDIVIDUAL CAR. 
          THERE WILL BE MORE THAN ONE AVAILABLE THOUGH. 
          >> AND I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT. WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE THE CAR. WHERE'S THE SAVINGS? LIKE IN GAS? WE'VE SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS IN GAS A YEAR. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE FOUR EMPLOYEES WHO DO THE SAME JOB AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO TELL THEM EACH WEEK YOU GET TO BORROW A CAR? THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE TO ME AT ALL. AND THERE IS NO POLICY, SO THAT HAS NOT BEEN 
          IMPLEMENTED YET? >> CORRECT. THAT'S PART OF WHAT 
          ZACH TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING. >> SO THE FINISH WELL, JEFF ASKED ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH. YOU OVERFUNDED IT. DOES EVERYBODY ON THE -- EVERYBODY HAVE ACCESS TO THE MENTAL HEALTH? 
          >> NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE ACCESS, ALL OF OUR SWORN EMPLOYEES AND CSIS ARE REQUIRED TO GO FOR AN ANNUAL CHECK IN. 
          >> AND THEN, OKAY. I COULD PROBABLY ASK THIS. I'LL CUT TO THE CHASE. I CAN ASK THAT A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS ABOUT ACCESS. BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A QUESTION FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. AT WHAT POINT THE SWORN OFFICERS ALL GOT 
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THEIR GOOD RAISES. THE NONSWORN DID NOT. SO AT WHAT POINT ARE YOU A MEMBER OF THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT OR NOT? I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THAT. AND IF THEY HAVE ACCESS TO EVERYTHING IT MEANS THEY'RE ALSO VICTIMS TO ALL THE BAD STUFF. WHY AREN'T THEY TREATED THE SAME? AND YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT ABOUT PUTTING THEIR LIFE IN DANGER, BUT I COULD MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENT FOR THE PERSON SITTING BEHIND THE DESK BECAUSE 
          WE'VE BEEN THERE. >> 100%. THAT WAS SOMETHING WHEN I ARRIVED I WANTED TO BE SURE OF IS OUR SUPPORT STAFF, OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF RECEIVE THE SAME ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELING AS EVERYBODY ELSE. IF YOU'RE A RECORDS CLERK AND PULLING UP THOSE REPORTS, YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF THE SAME STUFF THAT SWORN ARE AND THAT'S CONCERNING. SO THEY DO HAVE ACCESS TO IT JUST LIKE OUR SWORN DO. WE HAVE RIGHT NOW I THINK WE HAVE FOUR LICENSED COUNSELORS WE WORK WITH AND THEY CAN KIND OF DO A SPEED DATING, THEY CAN SEE WHO THEY LIKE, FIND THE RIGHT MATCH AND ATTEND SERVICES ON THE DEPARTMENT DIME. AS FAR AS THE OTHER THINGS YOU MENTIONED THE RAISES. 
          >> SALARY. >> SALARIES. WE HAVE THE BEST PROFESSIONAL STAFF IN THE BUSINESS. I BELIEVE THAT HAVING WORKED AROUND LITTLE BIT. AND I WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE TO COMPENSATE THEM AS WELL AS WE CAN. RIGHT NOW THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH WITH THE 3% COLA. 
          >> AS THE CHIEF, AS THE LEADER OF CFD, WHY WOULDN'T YOU HAVE PUT FORTH THE RAISE FOR THEM? TO ALLOW IT TO BE CUT? 
          >> SO THE ENTIRE CITY HAS THE SAME 3% COLA IN THEIR BUDGETS. 
          >> I GET THAT. BUT YOU'RE EITHER ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR YOU'RE NOT. 
          AND WHEN YOU ONLY GET A RAISE, I WOULD BE SAYING AM I REALLY ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR AM I JUST, WHICH IT SHOULD NEVER BE A JUST CITY STAFF. 
          >> SURE. >> THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE. I THINK IT -- THEY NEVER FELT THAT WAY. THEY USED TO GET WHATEVER WHAT IS NEGOTIATED THEY USED TO GET. 
          THEN THAT STOPPED. SO I JUST -- IT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME. IT 
          SHOULDN'T SIT WELL WITH THEM. >> IT'S DIFFICULT. UNDERSTAND. 
          >> FINALLY, AND THIS IS MORE FOR ZACH. WE JUST WENT THROUGH A WHOLE LIST OF REVENUES THAT THEY'RE APPLYING TO THINGS. I THINK THAT MODEL SHOULD CARRY OVER TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS IF IT'S A REVENUE GENERATED BY THAT DEPARTMENT THE LINE ITEM SHOULD SHOW REFLECTION TO A DEPARTMENT. 
          >> AND ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE DOLLARS ONCE THEY'VE COLLECTED THEM? 
          >> IF IT'S COMING OFF THEIR BACKS. THEY'RE SPENDING THEIR 
          DEPARTMENT FUNDS. >> WHICH ARE GENERAL FUNDS TO CREATE OTHER DOLLARS THAT GO BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND IS 
          THE WAY IT'S -- >> RIGHT. WHY WOULDN'T, IF I.T. 
          GENERATES REVENUE, WHY WOULDN'T I.T. GET THE MONEY? 
          >> I MEAN I.T. GENERATES 1% OF THEIR OVERALL OPERATING COST. 
          >> OKAY. >> ALSO WE CAN MAKE THIS OVERLY COMPLICATED AND HAVE 20 OR 30 OR 40 MORE FUNDS. GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND, YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING. IT'S SEMANTICS. 
          >> I WOULD DISAGREE. OVERLY COMPLICATED. WE ALREADY HAVE 30 
          EXTRA FUNDS. >> I'D LOVE TO REDUCE THEM AS MUCH AS WE COULD. SOME WE CAN'T. SOME ARE IN CODE. IT'S HARD FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL. IF THERE'S A BENEFIT TO KEEP IT CLEANER. YOUR OBJECTION IS NOTED. 
          >> COUNCILOR JOSHI. >> JUST A QUESTION. WE MENTION THE CARMEL YOUTH ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT WAS IN A PREVIOUS 
          BUDGET. WHAT BUDGET WAS THAT IN? >> I THINK IT WAS IN THE MAC 
          BUDGET. >> OKAY. THEN THE QUESTION THAT WE'VE ASKED TO I.T. PREVIOUSLY IS ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS AND WHY IF IT IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF WHAT THE POLICE NEED TO OPERATE EFFECTIVELY WHY IS IT NOT REFLECTED IN THE POLICE BUDGET AND WHY IS IT IN THE I.T. BUDGET SINCE MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU REALLY DO MANAGE THE ENTIRE FLOCK SYSTEM? 
          >> YEAH, I CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT EITHER WAY. IT SITS IN I.T. IT COULD EASILY BE IN OUR BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS THAT WAY. 
          THAT'S JUST HOW IT'S BEEN SINCE I GOT HERE. 
          >> QUESTION. SO FIRST OFF, WILL THERE BE ANY CHANGE OF THE LOOK OF OUR POLICE VEHICLES WITH THE NEW LOGO? 
          >> YES. >> IS THAT COMING OUT OF THE CAPITAL LEASE? EXPLAIN THE COST AND THE PLAN FOR THAT. 
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          >> THAT IS ALL INCLUDED IN OUR VEHICLE REPAIRS AND VEHICLE MAINTENANCE LINES. THOSE ARE PRETTY SIMILAR TO PREVIOUS 
          YEARS. >> SO YOU WERE GOING TO CHANGE OUT THE CARS WITH OUR CURRENT -- WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE LOGO. YOU WERE JUST GOING TO REDO THE LOGOS ON THE CARS WITH, YOU KNOW, A NEW WRAP ON THEM? YOU DO THAT EVERY YEAR? 
          >> NO, NO, SO JUST THE NEW VEHICLES THAT WE PURCHASE WE'LL 
          PUT THE NEW GRAPHIC PACKAGE ON. >> BUT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT WITH ALL? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SOME WITH OLD? 
          >> THE CURRENT BUDGET WOULD NOT SUPPORT REDOING THE ENTIRE 
          FLEET. >> SO WE'LL HAVE SOME WITH ONE 
          LOGO AND SOME WITH ANOTHER. >> CORRECT. 
          >> THEY'RE PRETTY SIMILAR. >> THE PRIORITY RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN TO GET ALL THE PATROL VEHICLES DONE FIRST. OUR FIRST BATCH OF NEW GRAPHICS WILL BE THE ONES THAT ARE OUT IN THE 
          COMMUNITY IN PATROL. >> OKAY. PROBABLY SOCIAL WORKER POSITION YOU SHARE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THAT'S IN THE FIRE 
          DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET? >> WE DO NOT SHARE A SOCIAL 
          WORKER WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. >> AM I CALLING IT THE WRONG 
          THING? >> QUARTER MASTER? 
          >> NO. >> I BELIEVE WE WERE TALKING 
          ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP. >> ATHLETIC TRAINER. 
          >> NO, THE PARTNERSHIP WITH ANNA. THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE 
          ACCESS. >> WE WANT TO EXTEND. HANNAH IS OUR LEAD SOCIAL WORKER AND I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO TRY TO DRUM UP SIMILAR PROGRAM TO WHAT WE'VE HAD SUCCESS WITH. I THINK SHE'S GOING TO HELP GUIDE THEM ALONG THE WAY. BUT WE'RE STILL -- SHE'S STILL INCLUDED IN OUR 
          BUDGET AND SHE'S -- >> BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS 
          ACCESS TO IT RIGHT NOW? >> ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. 
          >> OKAY SO IT'S STILL SHARED IT'S JUST IN YOUR BUDGET. 
          >> YES. >> FINALLY, I HAVEN'T FOUND A LOT I CAN CUT AND FIRST OFF, NOBODY WANTS TO CUT ANYTHING IN PUBLIC SAFETY. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE ALL SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          ESPECIALLY DON'T WANT TO CUT ANY HEAD COUNT OR PAY FOR OUR PEOPLE. ONLY THINGS I CAN EVEN MAYBE MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR ARE SLIGHT TRIMS IN AREAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY OUTREACH. HOW MANY T-SHIRTS, YOU KNOW, SWAG WE NEED TO BUY. THAT'S NOT REALLY SAVING US MUCH. THIS IS MAYBE A BIGGER QUESTION. 2027 IS GOING TO BE MUCH TOUGHER THAN '26. SO CAN WE SUSTAIN THIS BUDGET INTO '27 OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE CUTS COMING INTO IT? I KNOW WE CAN'T PREDICT. WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IF THE LAW DOESN'T CHANGE. 
          >> YEAH, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT COMING INTO THIS WAS POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT CUTS. MAYBE YOU CAN TRIM A LITTLE HERE, A LITTLE THERE. I KIND OF PUT IT IN FOUR BUCKETS. 
          BENEFITS THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE ACCUSTOMED TO. I WOULD INCLUDE DRY CLEANING, CAR CLEANING, ACCESS TO OUR ATHLETIC TRAIN R. 
          HAVING AN ON CALL OR IN HOUSE PROSECUTOR ON SITE. THAT'S BUCKET ONE. BUCKET TWO, YOU WOULD POTENTIALLY BEGIN TO COMPROMISE SOME CITY SERVICES WE OFFER. THAT WOULD BE OUR VEHICLE PROGRAM IF WE WERE TO TAKE A YEAR OFF A LEASE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEN YOU GET BEHIND THE CURVE IN TERMS OF REPLACING VEHICLES. I WOULD WORRY ABOUT THAT LONG TERM. OVER TIME OUR TRAINING FUND. THAT'S THAT BUCKET TWO. BUCKET THREE WOULD BE THE SUPPORTED ORGANIZATIONS. SO CHERISH CENTER. CARMEL YOUTH ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. BUCKET FOUR BECOMES PERSONNEL. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE FIRST FOUR THINGS I WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT. 
          >> THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW. WHILE I REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON THE 2026 BUDGET, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER WHEN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION STARTS UP AGAIN. MANY OF US WILL WANT TO CONTACT OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND STATE SENATORS AND LET THEM KNOW EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF CUTS WE CAN ANTICIPATE IF THINGS CONTINUE THE WAY WE SEE THEM NOW. 
          >> TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED ESPECIALLY WITH THE YOUTH -- THANK YOU. AND THEN ALSO WITH THE CHERISH HOUSE. 
          THOSE THINGS ARE APPLICABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY BEING SAFE AND FEELING SAFE. AND I COULD NOT IMAGINE CUTTING THOSE THINGS. 
          >> BOTH ORGANIZATIONS ARE HELPFUL TO US. ESPECIALLY CHERISH CENTER. THEY HANDLE OUR FORENSIC INTERVIEWS. 
          >> CORRECT. CORRECT. THANK YOU. >> I DO WANT TO HONE IN AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR. SWORN CIVILIAN AND ADVOCATING FOR THEM. OUR PEOPLE. IN THESE HARD TIMES WE'RE FACING WE HAVE A LOT OF BELLS AND WHISTLES. IT'S A JOY. WE GET TO BE CARMEL. WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF THAT MATTERS. ENSURING WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THAT BASE FOR THE SERVICES BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GET HARDER. IT IS THE EASIEST THING TO CUT ARE THOSE THINGS WHERE WE'RE APPLYING TO PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S THE BIGGEST BUDGET LINE ITEM WE HAVE. I WANT TO ENSURE WE'RE ON MISSION, ON 
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POINT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES. YOU HAVE SUPPORT STAFF DOING THE SAME THING EVERY SINGLE DAY. THEY MIGHT NOT BE SWORN BUT THEY BLEED BLUE AND RED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT FIRE SAYS ON THEIR LINE. SETTING THEM UP FOR SUCCESS MATTER AS TON. I SAY THAT. THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BENEFITS. 
          YOU GOT THAT GRANT. NATIONALLY AND GLOBALLY IN THE SWORN SPACE. 
          SAME THING IS GOING TO HIT US AT THE CIVILIAN LEVEL TO. THAT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT THING TO KEEP IN MIND. IF THERE ARE THINGS WE NEED. FEEDBACK YOU'RE GETTING. IF THERE ARE WAYS TO PIVOT OTHER THINGS. THAT'S GOING TO GET US THROUGH HARD BUDGET TIMES. 
          >> APPRECIATE YOUD A HAVE ITING A. THEY MAKE OUR LIVES A LOT EASIER. IT'S EASY FOR US TO GO OUT AND TAKE CALLS. BUT THEY'RE DOING THE REALLY CRITICAL WORK THAT GIVES US A BACKBONE. 
          >> THEY DO APPRECIATE HEARING IT FROM SWORN. I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS KNOWING PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR YOU. ON THE FIELD, IN THE FIELD. SO THANKS. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE'RE BACK ON SCHEDULE. DON'T FEEL BAD IF YOU WANT TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          >> THANK YOU. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BEFORE THE SCHEDULED TIME. I KNOW. 
          YOU GOT LUCKY THERE. SOME PEOPLE HAD TO WAIT. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO 
          WAIT AT ALL. >> I KNOW. BUT NOW WE HAVE MORE TIME TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. I KNOW THE MAYOR WILL BE COME BACK. YOU CAN GET STARTED WHEN YOU GET BOOTED UP AND 
          READY. >> I'M GOING TO USE PAPER. GO 
          OLD SCHOOL HERE. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE 
          THE SLIDES? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANKS FOR THE TIME TODAY. WE'RE GOING TO COVER THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS NO DIRECTOR. I'M SORT OF STANDING IN THAT ROLE FOR THIS CONFERRING. BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE GET FARTHER. SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN KEEPING FORMERLY ME BUSY IN THIS ROLE ARE, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE CNO REDEVELOPMENT ESSENTIALLY SINCE THE DAY I STARTED. THAT HAS CONTINUED ALTHOUGH HAPPILY TRANSITIONING MORE TO CRC, DOCS AND PARKS. THAT'S A GOOD DEVELOPMENT IN MY MIND. WE'VE DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED A COMMUNITY VISITATION PROGRAM. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE LEARNED ABOUT THAT CITIES FROM ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE INTERESTED IN COMING TO CARMEL TO FIND OUT HOW CARMEL WORKS. AND WHAT'S THE SECRET IN CARMEL. THE CHALLENGE IS IT'S A TAXING ACTIVITY FOR CITY STAFF TO SHOW HOSPITALITY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DESIGNED IS THIS IDEA OF A PROGRAM WHERE BY THERE'D BE SPECIFIC TIMES ON THE CALENDAR THAT THESE COMMUNITIES COULD COME. WE HAD OUR FIRST COHORT COME THROUGH IN THE SPRING. IT DID SAVE TIME FOR STAFF IN SHOWING THAT HOOSIER HOSPITALITY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT AS COMMUNITIES CONTINUE TO EXPRESS INTEREST. 
          CARMEL SMALL BUSINESS NETWORK. MANY OF YOU KNOW THIS. MANY OF 
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YOU HAVE BEEN OVER THE YEARS. WE'VE GROWN THAT IF YOU DIDN'T COME TO OUR MORNING EVENT, EARLIER THIS YEAR, PLEASE PLAN ON COMING TO THE EVENING EVENT WE'RE GOING TO DO. BY EVENING I JUST MEAN AFTER WORK. NOTHING FANCY. IT'S OUTSIDE OF NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS BECAUSE HISTORICALLY THE CARMEL SMALL BUSINESS NETWORK HAS MET AT LUNCHTIME. THAT'S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR SOME BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES AND OWNERS TO COME. WE'VE ADDED A MORNING AND AN EVENING OPPORTUNITY THIS YEAR. I'LL SKIP THROUGH THESE. WE'VE DEVELOPED A MAYOR BUSINESS VISITATION PROGRAM IN 2027 TO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO GO AND SIT MOSTLY WITH LARGER BUSINESSES HERE IN CARMEL, UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS, WHAT ARE THEIR CHALLENGES, HOW CAN THE CITY ASSIST THEM. WHAT ARE THE GREAT PARTS ABOUT BEING IN CARMEL AND WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES. THESE ONE ON ONE CONVERSATIONS ALLOW FOR TERRIFIC EXCHANGE OF IDEAS. LASTLY I'LL JUST SAY THE IDD IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING WITH THE THE STATE AROUND TO TRY TO SECURE FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL. 
          ABSOLUTELY AN UPHILL CLIMB BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE SPENT SIGNIFICANT TIME AROUND. SO WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT WAS A PRIORITY ACTIVITY ADMINISTRATION IN 2024. AND WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2024. THE POSITION BECAME VACANT IN MAY OF 2025. ALTHOUGH I'VE TRIED TO CONTINUE KEEPING THE TRAINS RUNNING. DUE TO THE NEW BUDGET REALITIES THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSING TO NOT BACKFILL THE POSITION. PROCURE SERVICES FROM SOME SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT WE WORK WITH CURRENTLY. SO WHAT WOULD THAT PROPOSED STRUCTURE LOOK LIKE? AS WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO MAKE THIS WORK, EXCUSE ME, WE DID A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST, WE REACHED OUT TO THE HAMILTON COUNTY LOCAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION. OR LEDO. MOST COUNTIES IN INDIANA HAVE ONE. FOR HAMILTON COUNTY THAT'S INVEST HAMILTON COUNTY. MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW THE ORGANIZATION. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO PIVOTED IOWAFULLY TRUE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WENT TO WHAT I'LL CALL A SUBSET OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT HAS BEEN WHERE THEIR BREAD AND BUTTER HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST HANDFUL OF YEARS. WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO SAY WOULD THEY BE INTERESTED IN A MORE FULL MANY SUITE OF SERVICES. THEY DECLINED. NEXT WE WENT TO OUR FRIENDS AT ONE ZONE TO SEE IF SOME OF THE MEMBER-TYPE WORK THEY DO IS SIMILAR TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORK IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE CITY. THEY CAME BACK WITH A SUBSET OF THE FULL LIST WE PROVIDED OF THINGS THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH THE CITY AROUND. WE'LL GET TO THAT LIST SHORTLY. 
          SO THE THIRD OUTREACH WAS TO THE INDY PARTNERSHIP. REPRESENTING 14 COMMUNITIES IN 10 COUNTIES TODAY. WE ARE A MIC EVER MEMBER TODAY. WE REACHED OUT TO SEE IF AS PART OF THEIR MARKETING AROUND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DATA IF THOSE ARE THINGS THEY COULD BE DETECTIVE THEY COULD PROVIDE TO US. WE WENT TO ORGANIZATION, ORGANIZATION, ORGANIZATION TO SEE IF WE COULD PUT TOGETHER A COHORT OF ENTITIES WHO COULD HELP THE CITY DELIVER THESE SERVICES WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TAKING THE HEAD COUNT FROM 1.5 INDIVIDUALS TO ZERO. AND POCKETING OR SAVING THAT PERSONNEL SAVINGS FOR OTHER USES IN THE CITY. I WILL SAY THE MAYOR FEELS THIS IS TEMPORARY SOLUTION OR SOLUTION MIGHT EVEN BE TOO BIG OF A WORD. 
          TEMPORARILY GOING DOWN THIS PATH BECAUSE THE HOPE IS WHEN THE FISCAL LANDSCAPE IMPROVES THERE WOULD BE A PERSON IN THIS ROLE AGAIN. WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS THAT I REFERENCED? AROUND ONE ZONE, MEMBER. NEXT SLIDE. SORRY. ONE ZONE. THAT CARMEL SMALL BUSINESS NETWORK PROGRAM. ONE ZONE WOULD OPERATE THAT ON THE CITY'S BEHALF UP TO SIX EVENT AS YEAR. THAT'S THE NUMBER OF EVENTS WE DO CURRENTLY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE WORKING ON IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WAS TO CREATE A SMALL BUSINESS DIRECTORY. THEY WOULD UNDERTAKE THAT AS WELL. THAT REALLY WAS AN IDEA BORN OUT OF SMALL BUSINESSES AT THE SMALL BUSINESS NETWORK SAYING HEY, IT WOULD BE GREAT, I LOVE SEEING OTHER SMALL 
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BUSINESSES HERE. HOW I CAN TAKE THAT INFORMATION HOME WHEN I NEED TO KNOW SOMEONE IN A MONTH. SO THAT WAS BORN OUT OF THAT IDEA. STARTING A SMALL BUSINESS IN CARMEL MANUAL. THAT WAS BORN OUT OF IDEAS IN CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT IS SOMETHING WE THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO AREN'T QUITE SURE WHERE TO START. CARMEL DOESN'T REQUIRE MUCH. 
          LIKE MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES, THERE IS A LOT OF HOOPS TO GO THROUGH AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. THAT'S NOT TRUE HERE. BUT THERE ARE FOLKS WHO AREN'T SURE WHERE TO START. THE CREATION OF THAT MANUAL WE THOUGHT WOULD BE ADDITIVE TO THE LANDSCAPE. THEN HOST A SITE SLEEK TERROR VISIT TO CARMEL. ONE ZONE IS INTERESTED IN BRINGING SITE SELECTORS. HAVING CARMEL BE ONE OF THE DESTINATIONS THAT WOULD LIKELY BE A 25 AND 26 OPPORTUNITY. TWO OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT. NEXT SLIDE. HOW THE INDY PARTNERSHIP PICKED UP THE PIECES. THESE ARE TAPPING INTO SOME OF THE DATA PIECES PARTICULARLY THAT FIRST ONE UNDERTAKE SOME BUSINESS SECTOR CLUSTER MAPPING. WITHIN THE CITY OF CARMEL AND DEVELOP POLICY AND PROGRAMMATIC ACTIVITIES. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T DO MUCH SECTOR MAPPING. WE DON'T DO MUCH ENGAGEMENT. WE DON'T DO MUCH ACTIVATION WITH BUSINESS SECTOR ENTITIES OTHER THAN SMALL BUSINESSES. SO THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SCALE UP THAT WORK WITH THEIR ASSISTANCE. 
          THE TWO VISITING CITIES IDEA SO THAT PIECE I MENTIONED TAKING IT OFF THE PLATE OF CITY STAFF HAVING COMMUNITIES COME TO CARMEL, LEARN FROM CARMEL. TO MAKE IT MINIMALLY INVASIVE TO OUR TIME AND EFFORT AS POSSIBLE. MANAGE THE MAYOR BUSINESS VISIT PROGRAM I REFERENCED EARLIER. BUSINESS GROWTH AND EXPANSION BRE SERVICES SO THAT WOULD BE ENGAGING EXISTING BUSINESSES, THAT WOULD BE WORKING WITH BUSINESSES THAT REACH OUT TO SAY I NEED HELP WITH A CURB CUT OR I NEED HELP WITH UNDERSTANDING HOW I CAN ACCESS A CONTACT AT THE STREETS DEPARTMENT OR I WANT TO GROW IS THERE ANYTHING THE CITY OF CARMEL CAN HELP ME TO DO TO GROW. WHAT THIS ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS THAT THE CITY OF -- EXCUSE ME, THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS JUST ONE PROGRAM. MEMBERSHIP AND DUES. JUST A SLIDE COMPARING, EXCUSE ME, THE 25 BUDGET WITH THE 26 BUDGET WITH A REDUCTION OF 63%. 
          FIRST QUESTION. >> I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED 
          ME FIRST. >> I DON'T NEED TO BE FIRST. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO BE FIRST? >> YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M A TWIN AND I, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS HAD TO VIE FOR FIRST OR SECOND. SO NICE TO BE ABLE TO COME FIRST THIS TIME. IN MY JOB. I'M GOING TO GO TO YOU NICK. WE CHATTED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. I WANT TO TELL YOU WE RECEIVED A LOT OF E-MAILS. I SPEAK FOR MY CONSTITUENCY. I'M ON THE DAIS TO DO THAT NOW. ONE OF THE OVERRIDING COMMENTS I'VE BEEN GETTING AND I THINK I MAY HAVE SHARED THIS WITH YOU, I CAN'T REMEMBER. THE INFRASTRUCTURE THE CIO WE DIDN'T BACK FILL THAT. I CAN EXPLAIN THAT. WE DON'T HAVE THE DOLLARS TO DO IT. WE'RE NOT BACK FILLING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. THE QUESTION A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING ME IS WHY ARE WE, WE'VE ONLY DONE THIS FOR A 
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YEAR, WHY ARE YOU CHANGING AGAIN. I UNDERSTAND THE CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER AND THE REASONS THAT WE HAD TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, WE HAD MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. WE WERE PAYING THAT THEN WE MOVED NICK TO HIS POSITION AS CHIEF OF STAFF. 
          WHAT'S WITH ALL THE CHANGING? WHAT'S WITH ALL THE CHANGING? THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT'S BEEN THROWN AT ME SEVERAL TIMES. 
          I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. THE EASY ANSWER IS YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD OF SEA 1. 
          WE MOVED NICK INTO HIS POSITION AS CHIEF OF STAFF. TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE REALLY GOING TO -- WHAT THE IMPACT WAS GOING TO BE. EVERY POSITION WAS GOING TO BE ON A BOARD FOR QUESTIONING AS FAR AS VALUE. WE FELT LIKE LEAVE IT OPEN. IT SEEMS EASY TO WORK WITH PARTNERS WE HAVE. CLEARLY IT'S NOT ALL THE SERVICES THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 
          WAS DOING. >> A FOLLOW UP TO THAT ESPECIALLY WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR POSITION. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL WE'RE SPENDING FOR JUST CONSULTING FEES, AND SALARY IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. SO $220,000 A YEAR. 
          THAT OF COURSE COMES WITH BENEFITS AND SUCH. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS COULDN'T WE HIRE SOMEONE AT $165,000, PAY THEM THE BENEFITS AND NOT CHANGE THE STRUCTURE? IS IT THAT TOUGH ON OUR BUDGET THAT W■E OULDN')T FULFILL THAT PARTICULAR PIECE? GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, WE'VE HAD THESE TWO POSITIONS AND NOW SEA 1 IS A REALLY GOOD REASON. BUT THE CHANGE IS A FLIP-FLOP FROM FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS FROM WHAT I'M GETTING FROM MY CONSTITUENCY. 
          >> LOOKING AT EVEN TOUGHER CHOICES NEXT YEAR. IT'S MUCH EASIER TO WIN KNOW DOWN A CONTRACT THAN HIRE A PERSON THAN NOT HIRE A PERSON. UNHIRE A PERSON.SEEMS LIKE THE EASIER ROUTE TO GO TO ACHIEVE SAVINGS WHILE ALSO GETTING SERVICES. 
          WE'RE ALSO GETTING SERVICES FROM A GROUP OF PEOPLE NOT ONE INDIVIDUAL SO IT ALLOWS US TO TAP INTO DIFFERENT SPECIALTIES 
          RIGHT NOW. >> TO YOUR POINT, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO AS A CITY IS TO HIRE SOMEONE AND THEN FOLLOWING YEAR POSSIBLY TAKE PAY CUTS. TECHNICALLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIRE SOMEONE. THE ENTIRE TEAM ACROSS THE BOARD COULD NOT ONLY NOT TAKE A COLA BUT ALSO TAKE A -- I'M NOT SAYING WE'D DO 
          THIS. >> UNDERSTOOD. 
          >> BUT TAKE A 5% PAY CUT. THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT ANYBODY. 
          SO THAT'S WHEN I LOOK AT THINK LOOK AT IT AS MY OWN PERSONAL BUDGET AT HOME. THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES WE HAVE TO SAY WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. WE HAVE TO TAKE A CUT. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. JUST WANTED TO SPEAK FOR MY 
          CONSTITUENTS. >> I'D ALSO ADD WHEN WE CAME INTO OFFICE IN 2024 THIS WASN'T EVEN SEA 1 WASN'T CONTEMPLATED. 
          WE HAD PLANS TO BUILD AND GROW THESE PROGRAMS IN ALL DEFENDANTS. THERE'S MANY THINGS WE'D LIKE TO BE ADDED WE JUST CAN'T DO. WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US. UNDERSTANDING THINGS MAY CHANGE MAYBE FOR THE BETTER, LIKELY NOT MOVING FORWARD. JUST TRYING TO TAKE A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND NOT HAVING AN INDIVIDUAL IN THAT 
          ROLL. >> REAL QUICK. I APPRECIATE THE INVESTMENT IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT'S DOLLARS YOU'RE SPENDING TO HELP BRING MORE DOLLARS INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT. I WOULD ARGUE WE DO HAVE MANY ASPECTS OF OUR CITY THAT ARE TIED TO GROWING OUR ECONOMY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE ARTS ARE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. EVENTS ARE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD ARGUE THE WORK THAT THE CRC AND THE DIRECTOR THERE DOES IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE STILL HAVE NICK HERE, ALTHOUGH HE IS CHIEF OF STAFF, HE'S STILL SOMEBODY INVOLVED IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO I'M GOING TO BE THROWING THIS IDEA OUT THERE AND I APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS ABRUPT. I'M CONTEMPLATING WHETHER CONSULTING FEES ARE NEEDED AND THE MONEY ALLOCATING TO THIS COULD BE USED TO RESTORE FUNDING IN OTHER AREAS THAT WERE 
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CONCERNED ABOUT CUTS. WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING. I DON'T KNOW IF INDY CHAMBER IS THE BEST PARTNER FOR OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS. DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON WHY INDY CHAMBER, ARE THEY THE BEST FIT? I KNOW IT'S HARD TO FIND THE FIGHT FIT. MAYBE IT'S BEST TO NOT SPEND THE MONEY THAN TO SPEND IT ON THE 
          WRONG PARTNER. >> COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE HERE. INDY IS A PART OF THE INDY CHAMBER BUT IT'S SEPARATE IN ALL THE DOLLARS THAT COME IN STAY IN THE PARTNERSHIP. WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING CHAMBER ACTIVITIES. CHAMBER BENEFITS. 
          ANY OF THOSE THINGS EITHER WITH OUR MEMBERSHIP DOLLARS OR ANY OF THE FEE FOR SERVICE. THERE'S A WALL THERE. THE INDY PARTNERSHIP SIDE IS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR ECONOMIC MARKETING UNIVERSE. THAT IS THE VERTICAL WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH. I THINK THAT'SAN IMPORTANT DESIGNATION. TO YOUR POINT THOUGH THEY WEREN'T THE FIRST PLACE I CALLED. I WAS INTERESTED IN TRYING TO FIND OTHERS THAT MAYBE COULD PROVIDE THIS SERVICE FOR US AT THE END OF THE DAY THOUGH, THEIR DATA AND YOU SAW THAT FIRST PIECE WAS A DATA PIECE WE'RE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN. THEIR DATA IS GOOD DATA. THEY HAVE ACCESS TO QUALITY DATA. THEY HAVE A GOOD REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE. I DO THINK CARMEL DOES WELL WHEN THE REGION DOES WELL. WHEN A NEIGHBORING COUNTY LANDS A BIG PROJECT, CARMEL WILL LIKELY DO WELL. 
          PEOPLE WILL FIND CARMEL IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE SO WE'LL GET A SHARE OF RESIDENTS AND OTHER SPENT. WE APPRECIATE THE REGIONAL ASPECT THAT INDY PARTNERSHIP PROVIDES. THEY KNOW THEY WEREN'T THE FIRST CALL. IT'S NOT A SECRET. BUT THAT'S 
          HOW WE ENDED UP THERE. >> ALL RIGHT. WHO WANTS NEXT? 
          >> YEAH. OKAY. UM, NICK, SO HOW LONG WERE YOU ECONOMIC 
          DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR? >> ABOUT A YEAR AND TWO MONTHS 
          OR SO. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, I'M LOOKING OVER THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT. AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THESE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, WHAT WOULD THIS LIST LOOK LIKE IF INDY, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, IS DOING IT. WHAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS WOULD BE ADDED TO THIS LIST IF INDY PARTNERSHIP WERE IN CHARGE NOW? 
          >> SO THERE'S INDY PARTNERSHIP IN ONE ZONE. 
          >> I'M FOCUSED ON INDY RIGHT NOW. 
          >> WHAT WE WOULD LIKELY SEE FROM THE INDY PARTNERSHIP WOULD BE A CONTINUATION OF THE MAYOR BUSINESS VISIT PROGRAM AND WE WOULD ALSO SEE THE BUSINESS RETENTION PIECE AND THE DATA PIECE. NEITHER ONE OF THOSE ARE LISTED ON HERE. THE DATA ONE IS A PROJECT WE HAD EXPLORED IN OUR BUDGET REQUEST THIS TIME LAST YEAR. BUT WAS ULTIMATELY PUT ON HOLD AS PART OF THE AUSTERITY PLAN. WE HAD MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT. WE DIDN'T PROCEED DOWN THAT PATH. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO WITH THE INDY PARTNERSHIP IS A MUCH SMALLER SCOPE TO FIND THE CLUSTER ACTIVITY THAT IS OCCURRING IN CARMEL TODAY AROUND SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES AND THEN ACTIVATE THOSE CLUSTERS. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD SEE ON THIS LIST NEXT YEAR X AMOUNT OF CLUSTERS ENGAGED Y AMOUNT OF 
          TIMES, FOR EXAMPLE. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OF THE 645,000 THAT WAS IN YOUR BUDGET, HOW MUCH OF THAT HAS NOT BEEN 
          SPENT? >> I WANT TO SAY IT'S ABOUT HALF BUT I WOULD DEFER TO THE OTHER TABLE TO KNOW THAT NUMBER. 
          >> IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT REPORT WE SENT SEPTEMBER 1ST OF 
          ALL SPENDING YEAR TO DATE. >> OH YEAH. THAT'S THE ONE I DIDN'T MEMORIZE. I'M HOPING YOU CAN HELP ME. 
          >> I WILL SAY FOR BACKGROUND THAT STUDY WE WERE GOING TO UNDERTAKE THAT WE PUT ON HOLD WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS, ONE OF THE CAUSES IF YOU WILL FOR HAVING SOME UNSPENT MONEY. THERE WAS ALSO MATCH FUNDS FOR A GRANT WE SOUGHT THAT WAS IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUDGET. WE DID NOT GET THAT GRANT. IT WAS A FEDERAL GRANT. THOSE OF YOU WHO PAY ATTENTION, THOSE SORT OF STOPPED. THAT WAS MATCH FUNDS THAT DID NOT NEED TO GET SPENT. 
          THOSE WERE TWO CHUNKS OF DOLLARS THAT WERE IN ECONOMIC 
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DEVELOPMENT FOR 2025 THAT DID NOT GET SPENT. 
          >> OKAY. I MEAN JUST A ROUND NUMBER. I'M STILL GOING. 
          >> OH, YOU'RE FINE. >> I THINK THEY'RE GETTING ME A NUMBER. OKAY. I AM -- AND WHAT EXACTLY IS THE MAYOR BUSINESS VISIT PROGRAM? WHAT IS THAT AGAIN? 
          >> THAT'S A MONTHLY PROGRAM WHERE THE MAYOR VISITS CARMEL BUSINESSES, USUALLY THE LARGER CARMEL BUSINESSES. WE'VE BEEN TO ABOUT SEVEN, I WANT TO SAY, RIGHT NOW WHERE SHE MEETS WITH BUSINESS LEADERSHIP AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT THEY MAY HAVE IN CARMEL. WHAT ARE THEIR EMPLOYEES, HOW ARE THEY FINDING RECRUITING TO CARMEL. LAST IT LIKE TO DO BUSINESS IN CARMEL AND THINGS THE CITY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO 
          HELP THEM. >> IS THERE A COST TO THAT? 
          >> IT'S PERSONNEL. IT'S A LOT OF TIME UP FRONT SETTING UP MEETINGS AND FOLLOWING UP AND IN ADDITION TO ME GOING. KEVIN AND NICK HAVE BOTH BEEN INVOLVED IN HAVING CONVERSATIONS. OFTENTIMES THE COMPANIES ARE BRINGING THEIR ENTIRE EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TEAM IN TO MEET. THERE'S NO DIRECT COST OUT OF POCKET. I WOULD SAY THEY HAVE BEEN WELL RECEIVED. FIRST TIME IN YEARS IF AT ALL THEY'VE SEEN A MAYOR ENTER THEIR BUSINESS AND WE'RE UNCOVERING NEEDS SUCH AS SUPPORTING THEY'RE GROWTH WITH THE PRODUCTS THEY MAKE. SUPPORTING TEAM MEMBERS. 
          RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. NEEDS THEY WANT LIKE WE HAVE HEARD REPEATEDLY NEEDS FOR CONFERENCE SPACE IN CARMEL. THEY'RE SENDING 400 SALES MEMBERS DOWN TO INDIANAPOLIS. IT'S BEEN REALLY WELL RECEIVED. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE SUPPORT. 
          >> I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH HOW YOU SPEND YOUR TIME. 
          BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS THE CHAMBER THEN WOULD -- ONE ZONE WOULD MANAGE THIS PROGRAM? AND SO WHAT WOULD THEY DO 
          EXACTLY? >> IT WOULD BE THE LOGISTICS. 
          LINING UP THE 12 BUSINESSES FOR THE YEAR. PUTTING THE SCHEDULE TOGETHER. MAKING SURE THE BUSINESSES WERE PREPARED FOR THE MAYOR. MAKING SURE THEY HAVE THE BACKGROUND OF THE MAYOR. MAKING SURE THE MAYOR HAS THE BACK GROUND OF EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM. 
          >> OH MY GOSH. OKAY. SO EMMA CAN'T DO THAT AS YOU'RE 
          SCHEDULING? >> SHE CAN DO PART OF IT. SHE'S PICKING UP PARTS ANOTHER PERSON THAT WILL NO LONGER BE IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. IT'S A LOT OF LOGISTICS. AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO SPREAD THE WORD. I THINK THE OTHER THING IS ALSO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO A LOT OF DATA WE DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE A GINORMOUS BUSINESS LIST WE INHHIT HERTZED. MANY DID NOT SEEM TO BE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS. THIS IS STUFF WE'RE BUILDING SO THEY'LL HELP US BUILD THAT. AND AGAIN, I THINK WE CAN BE MORE STRATEGIC WITH THEIR HELP. WE'RE HITTING THE ONES WE KNOW OF. WE CAN GET MORE STRATEGIC WITH THEIR HELP, ESPECIALLY AROUND CLUSTERS THEY'LL IDENTIFY FOR US. 
          >> OKAY. WHAT IS A CLUSTER ECOSYSTEM? HOW DO I KNOW IT WHEN 
          I SEE IT? >> DATA IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. SO WE PULLED -- I PULLED SOME DATA AROUND THE FASTEST GROWING INDUSTRIES IN CARMEL. HEALTHCARE AND SOCIAL ASSISTANCE JOBS. THERE'S 23% CHANGE FROM 2022 TO 2025. THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW BECAUSE WE CAN THEN ENGAGE WITH BUSINESS SECTORS AND AMPLIFY THE FACT THAT THEY'RE HERE. LIKE TENDS TO TRAVEL TO LIKE. OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT MORE OF THAT CAN BE AMPLIFIED IF THE WORLD KNOWS THERE'S A CONCENTRATION HERE. THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER INTERESTING CLUSTER DATA AROUND WORKFORCE. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED BECAUSE BUSINESSES WANT TO GO WHERE THE HUMAN CAPITAL EXISTS EVEN IF IT THAT HUMAN CAPITAL ALREADY IS EMPLOYED BY SOMEONE ELSE. SO THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS AVAILABLE. SO CLUSTER-BASED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS AN EFFORT TO MAP WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND DESIGN WAYS TO GROW THOSE AREAS BECAUSE OF THOSE 
          ATTRACTIVE ELEMENTS TO IT. >> OKAY. IN THE TIME THAT YOU'VE SERVED IN THIS ROLE I KNOW THAT YOU COULDN'T DO THE CLUSTER BECAUSE WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE, DON'T HAVE THE DATA I 
          GUESS OR THE SOFTWARE. >> JUST PUT IT ON HOLD. 
          >> YEAH. BUT I MEAN, DURING YOUR ROLE AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, WERE YOU UNABLE TO DO YOUR JOB BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF THAT DATA? OR WAS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY WE MISSED OUT ON. 
          I'M IN THE SAME MODE YOU ARE. AUSTERITY. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IMPORTANT THIS STUFF IS. SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I'M COMING ACROSS TOO STRONG. IT REALLY, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED 
          ABOUT IT, TO BE HONEST. >> THESE THINGS WERE ALWAYS ENVISIONED TO BE SORT OF A YEAR TWO EFFORT. THIS POSITION THAT I 
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ORIGINALLY CAME INTO DID NOT EXIST IN ITS FORM. MUCH OF THAT FIRST YEAR, AS I SAID A YEAR AND TWO MONTHS WAS STANDING THAT UP. 
          WAS WORKING WITH DOCS AND CRC. WORKING WITH THE MAYOR AND HER TEAM. THIS SORT OF NEXT LEVEL STRATEGY, WHICH TO MY UNDERSTANDING HAS NOT HISTORICALLY EXISTED IN CARMEL WAS GOING TO BE THAT NEXT ITERATION. OF COURSE THE POSITION, BACK FILLING THE POSITION WAS PUT ON PAUSE. IT WAS A WAY TO GET AT THAT SAME GOAL WE'D ALWAYS HAD, JUST A 
          DIFFERENT WAY. >> OKAY. I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MAYOR BUSINESS VISIT PROGRAM THAT WAS UNDER ONE ZONE I CAN MAYBE SEE THAT. I CANNOT SEE THAT WITH INDY CHAMBER THAT WE'RE ASKING THE CHAMBER TO COME IN AND START INTERACTING -- OR THEY WOULD SOMEHOW KNOW OUR BUSINESSES BETTER THAN WE DO. I DON'T NEED A COMMENT, IT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION THAT GIVES ME HEART BURN. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THIS WHOLE BUSINESS ABOUT WHEN CARMEL IS SO GREAT AND HAS DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB AND WE HAVE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WANT TO COME VISIT US. THAT IT TAKES TIME AWAY FROM OUR STAFF. I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY, I WOULD BE ONE OF THEM THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER MY TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THAT HOOSIER HOSPITALITY YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, NICK. I ALWAYS LEARNED A TON FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES WHEN THEY CAME AND I'LL BET I COULD CONVINCE MY COLLEAGUES TO ASSIST ME. I DO NOT WANT TO TURN THAT OVER TO ANOTHER. JUST ONE MORE THING WE'RE SENDING OUT OF OUR CONTROL. I THINK IT'S VALUABLE. I'M SURE STAFF ABSOLUTELY LEARNS FROM THAT. WE HAVE ABOUT 417 OF THAT REMAINING. 
          >> WE CAN INCREASE OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW BY THAT 400 NUMBER AND THIS 245 FOR THIS YEAR IF THINGS ARE AS TERRIBLE AS THEY ARE, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING UP THERE THAT'S GOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE THAT IS GOING TO MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR THE RESIDENTS OF CARMEL OR IS GOING TO BRING IN A SINGLE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS. 
          THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I THINK THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE SHOULD 
          FOCUS ON TO DO THAT. >> JUST AS WE NOTE, SAYS THERE, CAN EVERYBODY GO TILL 3:30 AT LEAST? NO OBJECTIONS? COUNCILOR 
          SNYDER. >> I'M -- ONCE AGAIN. I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE THINGS. I HEARD YOU SAY WHAT THE MAYOR'S VISIT, BUSINESS VISIT PROGRAM IS. I DO THIS AT LEAST TWICE A WEEK. I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WALKING UP TO A COMPANY, KNOCKING ON THE DOOR, YOU WANT TO TALK? OH, YOUR CEO IS NOT IN, WHEN WILL THEY BE? PLEASE PUT ME ON THEIR CALENDAR. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS SUCH A THING. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT TOOK LOGISTICS. THE BUSINESS CLUSTER MAPPING. WE'VE SURVIVED 30 YEARS. WE'RE THE THIRD LARGEST ECONOMY. WE'RE PART OF THE LARGEST REGIONAL ECONOMY IN THE STATE. WE'RE SECOND TO INDIANAPOLIS. WE'VE DONE FINE WITHOUT THAT DATA. YOU WANTED IT THIS YEAR, WE DIDN'T SUFFER. THE ONE ZONE SMALL BUSINESS DIRECTORY, EITHER THEY SHOULD ALREADY BE DOING THAT. OR THROUGH THEIR SMALL BUSINESS NETWORK. OR THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN JUST LOOK AT LICENSES AND CREATE. THE SMALL BUSINESS STARTUP MANUAL, I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY SAY IT'S DIFFICULT TO START A BUSINESS IN CARMEL. WHERE IT IS COMPLICATED IS GOING THROUGH DOCS AND THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL LIKE WHAT DO I DO. OKAY, I'VE GOT A BUSINESS. THAT'S EASY. THAT TAKES 30 SECONDS TO CREATE A BUSINESS. SO IT'S ONCE YOU'VE GOT IT AND YOU WANT TO REMODEL, THAT'S WHERE I'VE GOT TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, NOT SO MUCH COMPLAINTS BUT FRUSTRATIONS ABOUT IT. TO BE HONEST, I DON'T, AND I DON'T FOR VARIOUS REASONS 
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SHARE THE OTHER COUNCILORS OPINIONS ON GOING TO THE INDY CHAMBER OR PARTNERSHIP. I CANNOT STOMACH THAT. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS SHOULD BE IN OUR BUDGET. ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE TRYING TO FUND SOMETHING ELSE. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF YOUR TRAVEL AND LODGING BECAUSENICK, IF YOU'RE STILL LEADING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PICKING UP THE PHONE AND CALLING SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES BASED ON WHAT YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW AND THEN GOING OUT AND VISITING THEM, I THINK THAT PERSONAL TOUCH DOES MORE THAN ANY OF THIS OTHER NONSENSE IN MY OPINION. 
          THAN THIS WHY THAT WAS, AND THEN I RAN INTO AN ISSUE RECENTLY AND I'M GOING TO PREFACE THIS WITH I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING IN CARMEL, INDIANA. IT HAPPENED IN ANOTHER AND THAT'S REALLY I THINK WHAT THE OPTICS ARE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE OVER DOCS FOR ANY OTHER REASON BUT TO PUT PRESSURE ON THEM FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. 
          AND I MEAN THAT GLOBAL ADMINISTRATION, NOT DIRECTLY BY A SINGLE PERSON. SO I DON'T LOVE ANY OF THIS TO BE HONEST. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNSELLOR LOCKE. 
          >> JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. I KNOW WE PAID DUES FROM THESETHESE AND I'M WONDERING, IT IS LIKE $50,000 I THINK FOR THIS YEAR'S LINE ITEM TO BE A MEMBER OF INDY CHAMBER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE GET FOR THAT OR WHAT IT IS OR HOW THAT LOOKS OR IF THIS WERE TO BE REMOVED IF THAT COULD FIT UNDER ANOTHER LINE ITEM LIKE THE MAYOR'S JUDGMENT OR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. JUST TO ENSURE WE ARE MEMBERS OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT MATTER IF WE'RE LOOKING TO CUT FUNDING THERE, AND THEN JUST ONE KIND OF OVERARCHING CONVERSATION POINT. 
          WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY STANDPOINT. WE LOOK AT IT KIND OF AS OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE TO DO IT OR THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO IT, AND IN INDIANA THERE'S A LOT OF LAND AND THERE'S A LOT OF KIND OF EXPANSION. WE SEE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS AND THINGS BUILT IN PLACES WHERE THERE'S MORE -- WE'RE MORE LAND LOCKED, RIGHT. WE ARE A SUBURB WITH LITTLE LAND LEFT TO DEVELOP SO REDEVELOPMENT BECOMES THE ENGINE THERE. THE FLIP SIDE IS THAT THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AT ITS CORE. 
          YES, WE HAVE A BUSINESS BASE AND THERE ARE BUSINESSES HERE, BUT THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE SURROUNDING THE PLACE WHERE IT IS THE BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD TO LIVE, NUMBER ONE. 
          NUMBER TWO, EVERY YEAR FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS, AND THAT GOES TO KIND OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THIS FUNDING AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, BUT IT DAWNED ON ME AS WE ARE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THESE THINGS, WE NEVER REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT BASE, THE CONCEPT THAT THIS IS A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE, TO GROW THEIR FAMILIES, TO DO WHAT THEY DO. 
          IT IS SAFE. IT IS EASY TO GET AROUND. 
          IT HAS AMENITIES AND EVENTS AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND KIND OF FOUGHT ABOUT A LITTLE TODAY AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR CONSTITUENTS MOVING FORWARD. BUT I FEEL LIKE OUR MOST POTENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS ENSURING WE KEEP IT A PLACE WHERE THIS IS THE PLACE YOU LIVE IF THERE'S A NEW PLANT WITH LEADERSHIP POSITIONS AND THE DISTRICT OR SOMETHING ELSE BUILT SOMEWHERE ELSE, THIS IS THE PLACEPLACE YOU AND BRING YOUR FAMILY AND YOU WANT TO LIVE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE THINGS IT HAS. WE DON'T HAVE A DEPARTMENT OR A STRUCTURE OR A VOICE WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT PROTECTION, AND WE DO IT EVERY DAY. WE DO IT AT EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND EVERY DECISION WE MAKE IT IS THE CORE AND UNDERLYING THING, BUT WE LOSE IT IN THIS BUDGET DISCUSSION EVERY YEAR. I WANT TO KIND OF REITERATE THAT, WHAT WE'RE BUILDING HERE BASED ON THE FISCAL PROCESS AND FIGURING OUT WHAT WE CAN GIVE AND WHAT WE CAN TAKE ON AND WHAT FITS AND WHAT DOESN'T IN TIMES OF AUSTERITY ARE TO ENSURE IT IS THE BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD TO CONTINUE TO LIVE AND WILL BE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT, SPECIFICALLY ON THIS LINE ITEM BECAUSE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS NEW. IT IS SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING AT, SOMETHING WE ARE SEEING OTHER PLACES DO IN WAY MORE STRATEGIC AND, YOU KNOW, OF THE TIME'S WAYS, THEY'RE GOING TO CONFERENCES, LEARNING AND CONNECTING TO THINGS, AND THEY HAVE A BETTER BASE JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THE GROWTH OF THEIR CITY WAS IN THE HEART OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TIME WHERE OURS WAS IN A DIFFERENT TIME. THAT GOES TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST WHO ARE DOING A DIFFERENT GAME BASED ON A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE OF TOOLS THEY HAVE AT THEIR AVAILABILITY WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THEIR CITY. SO I SAY THAT, LIKE EVERYTHING WE DO IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS TIED TO THAT 
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PROTECTION OF THOSE THINGS THAT MATTER MOST FOR OUR PEOPLE, WHICH IS THE CITY THAT THEY LIVE IN. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE END UP WITH LINE ITEMS HERE, BUT AS WE THINK ABOUT IT AND LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING, HOW CAN WE TELL THAT STORY AND THAT NARRATIVE WHEN WE ARE MEETING WITH OUR PEOPLE AND COMPANIES, SPECIFICALLY ONES THAT ARE BUILDING MAYBE NOT HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING WAY BETTER TAX ABATEMENTS OR OTHER TOOLS THAT ARE OUT THERE FROM OTHER PLACES, THAT THIS IS STILL THE PLACE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR YOU TO LIVE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE GREAT THINGS THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO -- >> COUNCILLOR MENARD AND THEN WE WILL SEE IF ANYONE HAS ANOTHER BITE BEFORE WE WRAP IT UP. 
          >> THIS IS A QUESTION AND ALSO A STATEMENT. HAVING HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH BOTH OF YOU, WITH THE TWO OF YOU, WE HAD HAD A PRETTY ROBUST CONVERSATION, NICK, YOU AND I, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN CARMEL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF STRUCK ME WAS THE COMMENT THAT YOU MADE THAT IT WAS -- THAT -- BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT HENRY A BIT BECAUSE HE IS OUR REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AND EVEN WITH YOU, MAYOR, THAT HENRY IS OUR REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. TO RYAN'S POINT, IT KIND OF STRUCK ME WITH OUR LANDLOCKED, WHERE WE ARE LANDLOCKED WISE, MOST OF THE THINGS WE ARE DOING NOW ARE REDEVELOPMENT. SO MAYBE THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE -- I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO OR HOW TO DO YOUR JOB, THAT'S NOT MY PLACE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DAWNED ON ME THAT, GOSH, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE HIM MORE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THIS AT SOME POINT, AT SOME LEVEL, WHICH I'M SURE YOU HAVE ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          AND I'VE BEEN VERY HONEST WITH YOU, WITH ALL OF THIS, AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS TOUGH FOR ME WITH THE NAME INDY CHAMBER, INDY PARTNERSHIP. 
          IT DOES GIVE ME PAUSE, AND I HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY UP FRONT ABOUT THAT. SO PRETTY MUCH IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNSELLOR SPANNER 
          >> TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING SHANNON TOUCHED ON, WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE? BECAUSE I LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT AS TAKING -- GOING OUT AND FINDING COMPANIES AND PUTTING THEM IN THE QUICKLY VACATING BUILDINGS ALONG 31. 
          THAT IS GOING OUT, GETTING COMPANIES AND PUTTING THEM IN PLACE. BESIDE THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ISN'T ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, EXCUSE ME. I MEAN WHAT ISN'T REDEVELOPMENT IN CARMEL? JUST THERE IS -- EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE REDEVELOPMENT, AND I THINK THAT THESE TOOLS AND PROCESSES THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVE BEEN UTILIZED AND WORKED INTO EVERY REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT MOST OF WHICH I HAVE NOT LOVED, BUT THE END RESULT ENDS UP WITH SOME SORT OF CLIMATE ECOSYSTEM THAT SEEMS TO WORK IN THIS REDEVELOPED SPACE. SO ONE THING I DIDN'T MENTION, WHICH I WILL AGAIN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANYTHING OUT, WAS PARTNERING WITH -- I THINK IT SHOULD LIKE HAMLIN COUNTY TOURISM I JUST QUESTION PARTNERING WITH ANYBODY THAT'S NOT CARMEL BECAUSE THERE'S NO SCENARIO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE CARMEL'S BEST INTERESTS AT HEART. TO RYAN'S POINT, IT IS ALL ABOUT THE HUMAN BEINGS HERE IN CARMEL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WHEN SOMEBODY FROM INDIANAPOLIS OR HAMILTON COUNTY TOURISM NECESSARILY, MAYBE A LITTLE CLOSER, THINKS ABOUT WHAT IS A GOOD FIT IN CARMEL, WELL, LET'S THINK ABOUT THE HUMANS THAT LIVE THERE AND WHAT WOULD MAKE GOOD COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THE FIRST THING ON THEIR MIND IS HOW DOES THIS MAKE THE LIVES BETTER OF THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE THERE. 
          IT IS ABOUT HITTING CHECK MARKS AND STATISTICAL THINGS AND BEEFING UP STATS. SO WHAT I THINK YOU PERSONALLY DO, NICK, IS GOOD. I THINK YOU ARE GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO. I DO THINK THE CHIEF OF STAFF ROLE IS BETTER FOR YOU MOSTLY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY LOVE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT I THINK YOU CAN DO BOTH JUST FINE, AND I THINK YOU CAN DO IT WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT'S BUDGET AND YOUR CHIEF OF STAFF AND REALLY, FRANKLY, MOVE THE TRAVEL OVER TO THE MAYOR'S BUDGET, AND YOU GUYS CO- USE THAT TO TAG TEAM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AT THE END OF THE DAY NOBODY IS COMING TO CARMEL IF THE MAYOR IS NOT GOING OUT AND SELLING OUR CITY. 
          SHE IS THE END ALL, BE ALL. SO IF YOU CAN TEE THOSE UP FOR HER AND SHE CAN GO OUT THERE, THEN I DON'T NEED A CLUSTER. GO OUT AND GOOGLE GREAT COMPANIES AND THEN STEAL 'EM. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE. WHAT COMPANIES TREAT THEIR SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT THE BEST? BUT, AGAIN, IT STILL SEEMS TO FALL UNDER REDEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WHILE I'M A HUGE CRITIC OF THIS, IT IS NOT OF YOU OR WANTING TO BRING IN BUSINESS. I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED ALL OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE TO DO IT. 
          YOU GUYS ARE IN THESE POSITIONS BECAUSE ONE HAS THE PUBLIC FAITH IN THEM AND WAS ELECTED TO BE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND YOU HAVE THE BUSINESS AND CREDENTIALS TO EARN THE JOB TO BE THE ECONOMIC PERSON. SO I REALLY JUST TO HELL WITH 
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ALL OF THIS CRAP, YOU GUYS CAN DO IT. IF YOU NEED MONEY TO DO IT, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT PARTNERING WITH THESE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T GOING TO PUT CARMEL FIRST 
          FRUSTRATES ME. >> 
          COUNSELLOR ROE. >> I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE JUST ONE LAST LITTLE STATEMENT HERE. KIND OF THE OVERARCHING, MYMY SENSE OF WE'VE BEEN, THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING CONTROL TO ENTITIES THAT MAY NOT HAVE OUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NONPROFIT, BACK- OFFICE OPERATIONS WITH HAMILTON COUNTY COMMUNITY KM FOUNDATION. ONE ZONE, INDY CHAMBER. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE EVEN ARE GOING TO NEED A CITY HALL. THAT'S AN EXAGGERATION, BUT WE HAVE ALWAYS STRIVED TO BE THE BEST, TO LEAD AND TO SET THE PACE AND GO GET WHAT WE WANT. I DON'T SENSE THAT, AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I PERSONALLY DON'T SENSE THAT WHEN WE ARE WILLING TO TURN OVER OUR FUTURE TO TO LIKE INDY CHAMBER BECAUSE IT MAKES IT EASIER ON THE STAFF OR WHATEVER. WE ARE STILL SPENDING MONEY. 
          IT IS STILL COSTING DOLLARS IF WE'RE IN AUSTERITY PROGRAM. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY TO KEEP CONTROL OF OUR OWN DESTINY AND NOT RELY ON OTHERS, AND THAT'S -- AND I THINK THAT'S WHY JUST INTUITIVELY I BRISTLE WHEN I HEAR THESE IDEAS AND IT IS NOT FAIR TO THE MAYOR PROBABLY. I WISH WE HAD MORE TIME TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS IN ADVANCE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M USED TO. I'M USED TO US MAKING IT HAPPEN AND, YOU KNOW, THESE SITE VISITS, THOSE WILL HAPPEN. 
          WE HAVE NEVER HIRED SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THOSE FOR US. THEY WANTED TO DO IT BECAUSE CARMEL IS A GREAT PLACE TO COME TO. SO SITE VISITS, HAVING -- THINKING WE CAN'T DO THOSE OURSELVES OR THAT THE CHAMBER WOULDN'T ALREADY DO THOSE AND SHOW OFF CORE MEL ARMEL IS UNDERSTANDING NOT WHO WE ARE. THAT'S 
          AN OBSERVATION. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION, WHERE I KIND OF MADE AN ENDING STATEMENT. 
          THE MAYOR BUSINESS VISITS, THAT'S NOT THE THING I SEE ON THE TV SCREEN IN MIDTOWN, IS IT? 
          IT IS? >> NO, NO, THOSE ARE JUST SMALL BUSINESSES AROUND THE CITY BEING 
          HIGHLIGHTED. >> THAT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE THING. OKAY. 
          WE HAD GREAT DISCUSSION TODAY, WE WILL HAVE GOOD DISCUSSION TOMORROW. I UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET PRESENTED IS NEVER FINISHED AND AND YOU WILL TAKE FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL, AND THEN I KNOW WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 23RD. 
          TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE KIND OF WHERE MY ASKS ARE AT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE, I KNOW WHERE THE COUNCIL IS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME SORT OF ALTERNATIVE PLAN FOR EXPERIENCE CARMEL. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE COULD RESTORE EVEN A PORTION OF THE CENTER OF PERFORMING ARTS FOR THE ARTS FUNDING, AND I THINK I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CONSULTING FEES THAT COULD SOLVE ISSUE NUMBER TWO. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WOULD SUGGEST, AND DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO MAKE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS BEFORE WE CLOSE TODAY? ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. BYE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.