Sep 16, 2025 Budget Workshops Day 2

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>>> WELCOME TODAY TWO OF THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS FOR THE PROPOSED 2026 CITY OF CARMEL BUDGET, WE ARE STARTING UP TODAY WITH THE CITY COURT AND JUDGE POINDEXTER, TAKE IT AWAY.

>> 2026 BUDGET. NOTABLE ITEMS , I APOLOGIZE, I TEND TO ROUND UP WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL BUDGET IT SHOWS 1% INCREASE, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT AS ACCURATE AS IT NEED BE, I ROUND UP TO GET GOOD EVEN NUMBERS SO THEY ARE EASIER TO DISCUSS AND EASIER TO SEE IF THEY HAVE BEEN CHANGED. SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE AT A 1% INCREASE, PROBABLY SOMETHING SLIGHTLY UNDER THAT. AND YOU CAN LOOK ACROSS ITEMS WHERE THERE WERE UPS AND DOWNS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WERE REQUESTING FROM THE YEAR PRIOR, THE REST OF THE COURT BUDGET IS PROVIDED OUT OF FEES THAT THE COURT COLLECTS FROM COURT COST AND OTHER ITEMS THAT THE COURT IS ALLOWED TO RETAIN, JUDICIAL SALARY FEE FUND WAS A 10% INCREASE . I CANNOT CONTROL THE COST OF POSTAGE METERS AND OTHER OFFICE MACHINES, WE HAVE BEEN TAKEN BY SURPRISE THE BUDGET IS SMALL ENOUGH SO IF YOU HAVE $2000 TO FIX IT UP BY A PERCENTAGE POINT OR I THINK THOSE WERE THE BIG ITEMS WE WERE ALLOWING MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN CAUGHT SURPRISED ALMOST FLAT-FOOTED ONE YEAR WHEN THEY TOOK A HUGE INCREASE ON THE COST OF MACHINES. THEY SEND YOU A LETTER IN THE MAIL THAT SAYS WE WILL NO LONGER SERVICE THAT MACHINE, YOU NEED TO BUY A NEW ONE AND YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE, THE PUBLIC DEFENDER FUND AS I EXPLAINED BEFORE REFILLS. SOME YEARS WE DON'T REQUEST ANY MONEY COMING OUT OF THE FUND. THAT HAS RECHARGED AND THE COURT IS ASKING TO USE THE MONEY IN THE FUND THAT HAS ACCUMULATED IN ITS ENTIRETY, SHOWING 100% INCREASE IN REQUEST, THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY THERE AND WE WILL SPEND THAT FIRST BEFORE WE SPEND MONEY OUT OF FUND 101, SO MONEY IS COLLECTED FROM OTHER SOURCES WE SPEND FIRST TO TO SAVE THE CITY MONEY. WITH REGARDS TO RECORD PERPETUATION FUND, THAT IS THE HEALTHIEST FUND ON THE COURT DOCKET. WE HAVE TRIED TO ATTRIBUTE AS MANY EXPENSES INTO THE FUND AS WE CAN, THIS YEAR INCLUDES A $15,000 OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES , THE COURT BEGAN THE PROCESS LAST YEAR AND WE INTEND TO CONTINUE THIS YEAR WITH YOUR PERMISSION, ESSENTIALLY TRANSFERRING $15,000 IN COURTS AND BUDGET TO THE I.T. AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A COST ALLOCATION FORMULA, FOR SERVICES FOR I.T. TO THE COURT, SO I LOOKED AT EVERY MACHINE AND THE ENTERPRISE THAT WORKS FOR THE COURT, INCLUDING THE CLERK'S OFFICE. AND ESSENTIALLY DID $1000 PER MACHINE TO ATTRIBUTE LIKE WE DID BASIC MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH A THIRD-PARTY PROVIDER IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, IT WOULD BE CLOSE TO TO THAT END WITH YOUR PERMISSION WE WILL DO THE SAME THIS YEAR AND WHEN WE GET A INVOICE WE WILL TRANSFER THE MONEY TO THEM. IF WE HAD NOT DONE THAT THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A DECREASE IN TERMS OF THE REQUEST OUT OF THE FUND, ALL THE HEALTHY FUNDS ARE CURRENTLY FUNDED, ISSUES BEFORE THE COURT, NOT IN COMMON. WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW POLICE OFFICERS WHEN THEY COME ONLINE, THEY WRITE TICKETS, WE WILL SEE WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE COMING YEAR WITH STAFFING GOING UP, STEFAN GOES DOWN, BUSINESS WILL GO DOWN. I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT WE HAVE ONE OF THE FINEST PUBLIC DEFENDERS THAT IS EVER SERVED THE CITY OF CARMEL AND IN THE STATE OF INDIANA THE RETIRED JUDGE, ANNOUNCED AT THE END OF THIS YEAR HE WILL BE REQUIRING FULLY FROM THE PRACTICE OF LAW SO WE ARE LOSING A FINE PUBLIC DEFENDER SO I AM IN THE MARKET TO FIND SOMEBODY HOPEFULLY EQUALLY AS GOOD AND SKILLED THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH EXCELLENT PUBLIC DEFENDER FUNDS, ASIDE FROM THAT COMMENTARY I WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> JUDGE, I THINK YOU ARE THE FIRST ONE THAT WE DID NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON.

>> FINE, I AM A OPEN BOOK BY LAW SO I BELIEVE THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH , THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> YOU DO THIS 15 OR 16 TIMES, IT GETS A LITTLE EASIER.

>> JUDGE, THANK YOU FOR CHANGING YOUR SCHEDULE. NEXT UP WE HAVE

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>> GOOD MORNING COUNCIL, HERE WITH THE 2026 BUDGET FOR THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. I WILL TRY TO TOUCH ON SOME THINGS THAT ARE RELEVANT THROUGH THE BUDGET. OVERALL, 0% INCREASE WITH AMOUNTS TO $2000. STAFFING LEVELS ARE REMAINING LEVEL IN MY OFFICE, AT THIS TIME. WHAT WE SEE HERE IS COLD INCREASE AND STEP INCREASES. NOT MUCH TO REPORT IN THE PERSONAL SERVICES, SO I WILL MOVE DOWN. ANOTHER LINE ITEM I WANT TO TOUCH ON IS ORDINANCE NOTIFICATION, SO THE NUMBER IS NOT CHANGING, BUT RIGHT NOW AS YOU MAY BE WHERE THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING THE WEBSITE TO CIVIC PLUS. AND THEY HAVE AN ORDINANCE CODIFICATION SERVICE THAT THEY OFFER, SOMETHING THAT INDIANAPOLIS USES, SOMETHING HAMILTON COUNTY USES, SO I AM LOOKING AT SWITCHING OUR CITY CODE TO THAT AND I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD CHANGE. ONE THING I REALLY LIKE HIS WE KEEP THE ORDINANCES WITHIN THE NEW SYSTEM AND AS THEY ARE PASSED IT WILL DISPLAY ON THE CITY CODEPAGE AS PENDING. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF LAG AND WE HAD AN ISSUE COME UP , MAYBE LAST YEAR WHERE THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THERE WAS CODIFICATION DONE SO THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN AS THE CODE HAD REVERTED BACK SO IT MADE THINGS MESSY. SWITCHING THAT TO CIVIC PLUS , YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT IS PENDING AND WHAT IS HAPPENING. SO STAY TUNED ON THAT ONE, SO, OTHER CONTRACTED SERVICES IS PROBABLY MY NEXT LARGEST LINE ITEM. THAT HOUSES TWO THINGS, OPEN GOLF AND STREAMING AND RECORDING FOR THESE MEETINGS. SO, PAYMENT COMES OUT OF THE BUDGET AS WELL AS OPEN GOLF AND THAT HAS BEEN GOING WELL. I TOUCHED BASE WITH DEPARTMENTS A LITTLE BIT OVER THE LAST MONTH, TOUCHING BASE TO SEE HOW IT WAS GOING ON HIS END AND I THINK IT HAS BEEN GOOD FROM OUR STANDPOINT IT IS GOOD FOR RECORD-KEEPING SO WE USED TO GET A LOT OF CALL IN THE OFFICES, WHAT ARE THE RESULTS, CAN WE GET THE RESULTS? NOW THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY THERE SO THE DEPARTMENTS , WE DON'T HAVE STACKS OF PAPER TO DEAL WITH AND THEN SECURITY. SO THE BIDS ARE DELIVERED , JUST TO CITY HALL. I AM NOT IN CITY HALL ANYMORE, THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS NOT IN CITY ALSO HAD A ISSUE OF BIDS NOT GOING WHERE THEY NEED TO GO ALL THE TIME SO THAT CAUSES ISSUES WHEN WE HAVE A BID OPENING AND WE HAVE A BID AFTER THE OPENING.

SO, THAT HAS BEEN GOOD. MEMBERSHIP DUES , YOU KNO WE HAVE THE AIM IN THERE WITH THE INDIANA LEAGUE OF MUNICIPAL CLERKS AND TREASURES AND INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF CLERKS SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS WE SEE WITH MEMBERSHIP DUES AND A LOT OF OUR TRAINING , THE ONLINE TRAININGS AND ALSO WE HAVE TWO CONFERENCES. ONE CONFERENCE AND ONE TRAINING IS A BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT FOR THE INDIANA LEAGUE OF MUNICIPAL CLERKS AND TREASURES. I AM ON THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE FOR THAT FOR THE CLERKS STATEWIDE AND THAT HAS BEEN GOOD. THAT IS $2000. A COUPLE OF CLOSING THOUGHTS. LAST YEAR I REDUCED MY BUDGET BY $91,330. THIS YEAR WE HAVE SEEN THE INCREASE OF 2000 SO OVER THE COURSE OF TWO FISCAL YEARS, A LITTLE UNDER $90,000 WE

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RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A VISUAL AND DIGITAL SPECIALIST THAT HELPS WITH STREAMING A LOT OF PUBLIC MEETINGS. THEY ARE CURRENTLY HOUSED IN MEC WITH PROPOSAL TO THEM TO MOVE TO EXPERIENCE CARAMEL AND I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT PROCESS AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPINION ON EXPERIENCE CARMEL BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS AND AT THIS POINT MEETING STREAMING ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THIS ROOM NEEDS TO BE LIVE STREAMED IT IS REQUIRED BY LAW. I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT RETAINING THAT POSITION AS A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE WHETHER IT BE IN MY DEPARTMENT AND I HAVE RUN THE NUMBERS AND I HAVE A BASELINE NUMBER OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR STAYING IN MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS OR WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE NEXT YEAR SO THAT

WOULD BE MY FINAL THOUGHT. >> WOULD YOU SHARE THAT WITH US

PLEASE? >> SURE.

>> AS YOU WILL RECALL FROM LAST BUDGET INCREASE OF $2000 SO YOU KNOW IT IS NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT NUMBER. RIGHT? THIS PERSON.

>> SAY THAT AGAIN I'M SORRY. >> MY BUDGET AS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL WAS A $2000 INCREASE. ADDING THIS IS A VISUAL AND DIGITAL SPECIALIST IN MY BUDGET, IT WOULD BE 12% INCREASE IN THE

CITY CLERK'S BUDGET $106,000. >> WHAT IS THE SALARY?

>> THE SALARY WE WILL SAY , I WOULD SAY AROUND 70. SO THAT IS

BENEFITS AND ALL IN. >> OKAY. AND IS THERE SO, HE DOES, HE ACTUALLY MANAGES THE WHOLE CHANNEL? LET ME UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT POSITION DOES. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POSITION.

>> YES, YES. RIGHT NOW THAT POSITION DOES STREAMING OF THE MEETINGS SO RIGHT NOW THAT POSITION HOPING THIS MEETING GETS YOUTUBE AND FACEBOOK FOR OTHER MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CHAMBERS HE IS DOING ALL OF IT, STREAMING THE MEETING IN THE BOOTH AND MAKING SURE WE GET IT TO FACEBOOK AND YOUTUBE, MANAGING MIDTOWN TV IS A BIG PART OF IT AND MAKING SURE THAT'S ON SCHEDULE, MANAGING CARMEL TV SCHEDULING THAT TAKES TIME. SO THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE THREE MAIN THINGS AND SOME EDITING, THIS PERSON IS SKILLED AT VIDEO EDITING. MAYBE WE COULD HAVE FIRESIDE CHATS IN THE CLERKS OFFICE, I DON'T KNOW.

NO, WE WON'T BE DOING THAT. AND WE ARE BRINGING THE NEW WEBSITE.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT ABOUT AND HOW TO BEST UTILIZE THIS POSITION IF IT COMES IT TO MY BUDGET THE NEW WILL HAVE A PUBLIC MEETINGS WEBPAGE AND IT WILL BE ROBUST AND WILL BE MONITORED AND MANAGED AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT WILL FALL ON MY OFFICE AND I WANT IT TO BE ACCURATE AND UP-TO-DATE FOR THE PUBLIC SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT POSITION COULD MANAGE FOR THE CITY. AS A MEMBER OF MY OFFICE. SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WITH THE POSITION. IT IS NOT A INSIGNIFICANT DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT WHEN YOU FIND A GOOD EMPLOYEE, WHO IS RELIABLE AND DOES A GOOD JOB I THINK IT'S WORTH TAKING A

LOOK AT KEEPING THAT PERSON. >> YES, THAT EMPLOYEE CAME FROM

THE FORMER CONTRACTOR. >> SO THAT'S PART AND AGAIN I KNOW TOUGH DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE SO THAT'S ANOTHER PART I DON'T LOVE. YOU KNOW THE FLIP-FLOP , THE FLIP-FLOPPING SO

I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT. >> OKAY.

>> MAY I ADD SOME COLOR TO THIS? NICK IS LOOKING, WE HAD PROPOSED BETHANY STAY OF THE FOUR WITHIN COMMUNICATIONS AND WE WERE LOOKING AT SWITCHING THOSE TWO. HE ALSO MANAGES THE TV AT MIDTOWN HE WILL MANAGE THE TV AT ROSE PLAZA WITH OTHER DIGITAL

AUDIO STUFF HE DOES AS WELL. >> IT'S GREAT, DOES HE HAVE

EDITING CAPABILITIES? >> YES.

>> THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT I THINK. AND YES, I WOULD LIKE TO

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>> OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> COUNCILOR LOCKE.

>> WHAT ARE YOU MOST EXCITED ABOUT FOR NEXT YEAR?

>> WHAT AM I EXCITED ABOUT? WITH THE NEW WEBSITE COMES, I.T. HAS PROCURED AGENDA MANAGEMENT PORTION TO THE WEBSITE SO I DON'T KNOW HOW EXCITED OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN AS I BROUGHT IN DOCS AND CRC, IT WILL BE GOOD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE AND THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN USE WITH IT SO WE WILL CREATE AN AGENDA THROUGH THE WEBSITE AND THERE IS A FEATURE WHERE YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE SOMETHING AT THE DAIS WHERE YOU WOULD LITERALLY HAVE THE AGENDA WE CREATED ON A SCREEN AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WILL ROLL OUT AT THE VERY BEGINNING BECAUSE WE ARE JUST IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THAT AND WE WILL GO TO THEM FOR STREAMING AS WELL IT SHOULD BE A COST SAVINGS FOR STREAMING. EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND I'M HOPING THE PUBLIC WILL APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO FIND

THINGS A LITTLE BIT EASIER. >> AWESOME. AS YOU LOOK AT THE YEAR-END SET YOUR AGENDA , LET US KNOW IF ANYTHING COMES UP. OR YOU'RE WORKING TOWARD ANYTHING TO MAKE THE CLERKS OFFICE

BETTER. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> QUESTIONS? >> JACOB I HAVE A QUESTION SO TUITION REIMBURSEMENT. WHEN I SAW THE INCREASE AND I WANT TO ASK, AND IN TWO ALTHOUGH YOU ARE PART OF THE CITY LIKE WE ARE GOING TO BE FOLLOWING A SIMILAR POLICY THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR YOU HAVE YOUR OWN WHEN IT COMES TO PROVING THAT?

>> IT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I WAS TOLD WE WOULD NOT DO TUITION REIMBURSEMENT AND I DO NOT WANT MY OFFICE THE ONLY ONE WITH TUITION REIMBURSEMENT SO I CUT IT OUT AND I HEARD HR WOULD BE HOUSING TUITION REIMBURSEMENT. I WAS TOLD IF I WANTED TO PUT SOME BACK IN THE CITY WILL MOVE FORWARD. SO I PUT THE YEARLY MAX FOR THE INDIVIDUAL AND ALONG THE WAY LEARNED HR WOULD BE HAPPY HOUSING IT AND AT THAT POINT BUDGETS WERE READY TO BE SUBMITTED. WE WILL FOLLOW THE SAME APPROVAL PROCESS AND I WAS NOT SURE THEY ACCOUNTED FOR THE INDIVIDUAL AT THEIR $40,000 COUNT SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS ENOUGH MONEY THERE. SO EVERYTHING WILL BE RUN THROUGH HR APPROVAL FOR THAT AND NEXT YEAR ASSUMING WE MOVE FORWARD WITH TUITION REIMBURSEMENT NEXT YEAR MY PLAN WOULD BE TO HOUSE THAT MONEY IN HR.

>> IF IT IS HELPFUL TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH TUITION REIMBURSEMENT THAT IS ONE WHERE WE TRY TO BUDGET MORE SMARTER THEN WE HAVE IN THE PAST. TYPICALLY EVERY DEPARTMENT WOULD TRY TO GUESS WHAT THE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT EXPENSES WOULD BE FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND IT IS FAIRLY UNPREDICTABLE.

YOU NEVER KNOW WHO'S GOING TO POP UP . WE WERE ON AVERAGE APPROPRIATING 110,000 PER YEAR ACROSS DEPARTMENTS, BUT ONLY SPENDING 40,000 PER YEAR ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS. IN THIS BUDGET WITH THE EXCEPTION JACOB WAS MENTIONING WE BUDGETED FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS AT HR, THE HR DIRECTOR IS KIND OF THE LAST APPROVER IN THE PROCESS AND THAT WAY WE COULD REALLOCATE THAT 70,000 ELSEWHERE IN THE BUDGET AND ONLY BUDGET FOR WHAT WE

TYPICALLY NEED. >> SO WHILE JACOB'S HOUSING AN HR HE IS NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT BECAUSE HE IS HIS OWN?

>> I WOULD SAY THE LAW IS PRETTY EXPLICIT IN TERMS OF .

>> SEPARATION? >> IN TERMS OF HOW IT APPLIES TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, BUT SILENT ON WHO PAYS IT. IF HE IS FOLLOWING POLICY THEN GREAT , THE LAW, GREAT BUT IN TERMS OF HIM PAYING OUT , THE LAW DOES NOT ADDRESS WHO PAYS IT OUT SO I

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>> THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS HR APPROVAL AND THEY ARE READY TO GO, NOW THEY PAUSED IT SO NOW WE ARE BACK IN. SO THIS WAS MORE OF A TIMING ISSUE SO THERE'S A INTEREST IN DECREASING MY BUDGET AND INCREASING HR FOR TUITION REIMBURSEMENT SO WE HAVE DONE THE APPROVALS FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL AND WE WILL CONTINUE, EVERYTHING WILL BE RUN THROUGH HR.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU, JACOB. HAVE A GREAT DAY. NEXT UP IS CITY COUNCIL, I WILL EXPLAIN HOW WE DO THIS. WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF A CROWD TODAY AS YESTERDAY.

SO TRADITIONALLY , PEOPLE ARE WATCHING. TRADITIONALLY WHILE NOT GUARANTEED THE VICE PRESIDENT OF COUNCIL IS IN LINE TO BECOME PRESIDENT THE NEXT YEAR. WE DO THAT INTENTIONALLY SO YOU GET SOME EXPERIENCE HEADED INTO THE YEAR AS PRESIDENT. SIMILAR TO HOW COUNCILOR GREEN HELPED ME WORK ON THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR FOR 2025, I KIND OF DELEGATED THE 2026 BUDGET TO COUNCILOR SNYDER. SO HE WILL BE PRESENTING THE PROPOSED CITY COUNCIL BUDGET FOR 2026.

>> GOOD MORNING. I'VE GOT ABOUT 55 SLIDES TO GET THROUGH.

>> HERE IS OUR BUDGET. YOU HAVE ALL SEEN IT? I DON'T KNOW HOW

TO GO BACK. >> ALL RIGHT. HERE IS OUR BUDGET. CHECK MY MATH A LITTLE OVER A 7% INCREASE, EVERYTHING ABOVE THE FIRST HIGHLIGHTED LINE IF YOU CAN SEE YOUR NUMBERS TAKEN STRAIGHT FROM FINANCE AND THAT IS WHERE THE INCREASE PRIMARILY ARE, THE COST OF PERSONAL SERVICES, ADDED, THE NEW LINE ITEM IS THE DENTAL, THAT IS , THAT IS WHAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME. EXCEPT FOR THE DEFERRED COMPENSATION, I EITHER LOOKED AT HISTORICAL DATA, SPOKE WITH COUNSELORS OR MADE AN EDUCATED GUESS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. PRODUCED QUITE A BIT OF THE STATIONARY STUFF TALKING PEANUTS COMPARED TO THE BUDGET.

AND THEN KIND OF REORGANIZED EVERYTHING BENEATH THE HIGHLIGHTED LINE THAT FITS WITH THE CURRENT COUNCIL INITIATIVES WITH A HAVE BEEN RECENTLY AS FAR AS HAVING FUNDS FOR REVIEW, STUDIES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. COUNCIL INITIATIVES. MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY , COUNCIL QUESTIONS.

>> I GUESS I WOULD MAKE A COMMENT, THANK YOU FOR DOING THE WORK AND GIVING IT SO MUCH THOUGHT, I KNOW YOU REACHED OUT EVERYBODY AND I APPRECIATE THAT. APPRECIATE BEING INVOLVED.

>> ABSOLUTELY AND HERE'S THE NEW POLICE DOG. ONE OF THE TWO.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE MANY QUESTIONS, BUT IF SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC EMAILS WE CAN EXPLAIN MORE. WE ARE ALL PRETTY CAUGHT UP ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH MICHAEL, BEFORE YOU WE DO HAVE AND THIS WILL PROBABLY BE QUICK. WE HAVE THE BOARD OF PUBLIC WORKS. YOU CAN START SETTING UP. NOT AND ZACH YOU ARE PRESENTING THIS ONE?

>> I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT'S ALMOST AS LONG AS

COUNCILOR SNYDER PRESENTATION. >> WE ARE AHEAD OF TIME SO GO

AHEAD. >> ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE TAKEN THE PER DIEM , MULTIPLIED THAT BY THE NUMBER OF ANNUAL MEETINGS.

BY THE NUMBER OF THE MEMBERS WHICH EQUALS EXACTLY $9000 , SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED . FOR NEXT YEAR. HAPPY TO GET IN

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>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ON BE PW? THANK YOU. I TOLD YOU TO START SETTING UP, MICHAEL. WHENEVER YOU ARE READY YOU CAN START PRESENTING.

>> JUST BECAUSE WE GIVE YOU EXTRA TIME.

>> I WAS THINKING SINCE EVERYONE ELSE, IT WAS THEIR TIME I WAS GLAD TO TAKE IT.

>> IT IS GOOD. >> IS THIS COMING OUT IN

PAPERBACK ANYTIME SOON? >> WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, DIRECTOR OF CARMEL PARKS AND RECREATION PLEASED TO PRESENT TO YOU THE PROPOSED 2026 BUDGET FOR YOUR NATIONALLY ACCREDITED TO TIME GODEL -- GOLD-MEDAL AWARD-WINNING SYSTEM. ONE STAT I HAVE RECENTLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT SOME CONVERSATIONS INCLUDING TESTIMONY TO THE STATE HOUSE LAST WEEK IS WE ARE PLEASED TO SERVE LAST YEAR A 5.7 MILLION VISITS TO THE PARKS WITHIN THE CARMEL CLAY, PARK SYSTEM. TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULD MAKE US THE SECOND MOST VISITED NATIONAL PARK IN THE COUNTRY, AHEAD OF ZION AND GRAND CANYON NATIONAL PARKS WHICH EACH HAD ABOUT 5 MILLION VISITS, NOW OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, SOMEONE MIGHT COME TO THE PARKS 10, 20 OR 50 TIMES AND EACH TIME IS A VISIT BUT IT DEMONSTRATES THE TREMENDOUS IMPACT THAT WE HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY. OUR BUDGET AND THE PERFORMANCE APPRAISAL SYSTEM FOR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES IS BASED ON GUIDING PRINCIPLES WHICH COMES OUT OF THE FIVE YEAR APPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN ENHANCING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY, PROVIDING CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AND ENSURING LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF THE PARK AND RECREATION SYSTEM AND PARK SUSTAINABILITY MEANS ANYTHING, ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AND ENSURING WE HAVE SOCIAL SUSTAINABILITY TO HAVE SUPPORT TO CONTINUE THE PARK SYSTEM. I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE HAVE FOUR OPERATING BUDGETS, THE GENERAL FUND FROM THE CITY OF CARMEL AND ENTERPRISE FUNDS FROM THE COMMUNITY CENTER EXTENDED RICHMOND SCHOOL AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR OTHER FACILITIES. WE HAVE TWO CAPITAL BUDGETS WITH THE IMPACT FEE FUND WHICH IS FUNDED BY PARK AND RECREATION IMPACT FEES AS WELL AS NONREVERTING PARKS CAPITAL FUND COMPRISED OF CASH ACCOUNTS, ONE IS FUNDING FROM THE CITY OF CARMEL WHICH IS A TRANSFER THAT COMES FROM THE GENERAL FUND, BUT FOR THIS PRESENTATION I WILL IDENTIFY THEM SEPARATELY BECAUSE THEY FUNCTION A LITTLE SEPARATELY. THE SECOND COMPONENT OF REMAINING CASH RESERVES FROM LOCAL INCOME TAX DOLLARS RECEIVED FROM CLAY TOWNSHIP. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS STARTING IN MARCH AND APRIL INTERNALLY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT PREPARING BUDGETS, EACH DIVISION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HELPING TO PUT TOGETHER THE BUDGET PROPOSALS AND IT WORKS OUR WAY THROUGH ADMINISTRATION. IN JULY WE PRESENTED BUDGETS TO THE PARK BOARD FINANCE COMMITTEE, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE PARK BOARD TREASURER IS IN ATTENDANCE SO I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR HIS PARTICIPATION. IN AUGUST BUDGETS WERE PRESENTED TO THE PARK BOARD FOR ADOPTION AS WELL AS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL ESPECIALY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE BUDGET FUNDED BY THE CITY. OUR LARGEST EXPENSE, PERSONNEL RELATED . WE ARE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND , THIS IS GENERAL FUND SPECIFIC DIRTY FOR FULL-TIME POSITIONS. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MOVEMENT WITH NO NET CHANGE IN THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WHERE FUNDING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. WE MOVED TWO HR POSITIONS FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND ULTIMATELY DETERMINED THOSE FUNCTIONS WOULD NOT BE NEEDED WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT AND WE FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE TO BE FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND REMOVED TWO PART-TIME HR POSITIONS TO ENTERPRISE FUNDS IS TO ADD TWO NEW CUSTODIAL POSITIONS, THE PARK SYSTEM IS CONTINUING TO GROW AND WE KNOW WE NEED STAFF TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN PARKS AT THE LEVEL THAT RESIDENTS EXPECT

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SOFTWARE. LOOKING AT THE GENERAL OPERATIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT, BASICALLY EVERYTHING IN THE PARK SYSTEM THE OUTLINE PARKS EXCEPT IN THE CENTRAL CORE , THAT IS $4.9 MILLION BETWEEN PERSONNEL AND THE SERVICES AND SUPPLIES WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CENTRAL CORE MIDTOWN PLAZA, THE BOULEVARD, THE CARMICHAEL RESTROOMS, JAPANESE GARDEN LOOKING UP PERSONNEL ASSOCIATED TO THAT WITH THE SERVICES AND SUPPLIES IT'S A LITTLE OVER $1.1 MILLION. TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE CENTRAL CORE PROPERTIES REPRESENT 3% OF THE TOTAL 700 ACRES OF PARKLAND BUT REPRSENT 13% OF THE OPERATING BUDGETS. NOT SAYING THAT'S A GOOD THING OR BAD THING THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF PEOPLE COMING TO OUR PARKS IN A HIGHLY MORE CONCENTRATED AREA. A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT'S NEEDED, A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN A LOT LESS SPACE WHICH REQUIRES MORE EFFORT ON OUR PART BUT THAT IS SOMETHING I LIKE TO POINT OUT, FLEET VEHICLES, THE 14 EXISTING VEHICLES THROUGH ENTERPRISE ARE $109,390, PARK RESOURCE OFFICER'S WHICH HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL COMING ON BOARD IN MARCH REPRESENTS $327,000 AND THAT IS A PROGRAM WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND CONTINUING PARK RESOURCE OFFICER'S WHEN WE TALK TO THEM SINCE MARCH MORE POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY HAVE HAD IN THEIR ENTIRE CAREERS IN CARAMEL SO I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO VERY FAVORABLY TO THE IMPACT THEY ARE HAVING THE APPRECIATION THAT RESIDENTS HAVE FOR THE PROGRAM.

CAPITAL LEASE ALSO RELATED TO FLEET REPLACING TWO TECHNICAL

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HARDWARE AND AGAIN NOT HARDWARE FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT, JUST FOR GENERAL ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS PARKS AND NATURAL RESOURCES WE HAVE $11,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT AND THAT IS BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ICS AND FOR SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS, $85,700 AND SEVEN OF OUR 11 SUBSCRIPTIONS ARE ACTUALLY SHARED, THEY ARE SHARED WITH THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND EVERYTHING IS DONE PROPORTIONATELY SO HR SOFTWARE WE HAVE. THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY PAID OUT OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MOST STAFF ARE HOUSED. FOR THE SHARED SOFTWARE WE ARE SHARING THE EXPENSE PORTION. TO COMPARE THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO LAST YEAR THE CURRENT BUDGET IS 6.4 MILLION IN SOME CHANGE, THIS YEAR WE ARE PROPOSING 6.7 MILLION. SO A 5% INCREASE, DIVING INTO WHAT'S DRIVING THE INCREASE. THE TOP FIVE FACTORS ARE REPRESENTING ALL BUT 3000 OF THE INCREASE.

NUMBER ONE IS 121,000 OF BOULEVARD PHASE 3 WHICH INCLUDES A NEW PLAYGROUND BASICALLY THERE IS BETWEEN WHERE THE BOULEVARD ENDS TO THE CITY CENTER THERE WILL BE A NEW DESTINATION PLAYGROUND AND A NEW PLAZA, EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING IN THAT AREA AS WELL AS FOR THE JAPANESE GARDEN OPENING SHORTLY WHICH IS A HIGHLY LANDSCAPED AREA SO THESE ARE BASED ON ACTUAL QUOTES WE HAVE RECEIVED. HEALTH INSURANCE BASED ON THE CITY PROGRAM OUR EMPLOYEES RECEIVE THE SAME INSURANCE THAT THE CITY OF CARMEL EMPLOYEES RECEIVE SO THAT'S DRIVING 66,000 OF THE BUDGET. THE ADDITIONAL CLEANING IN MIDTOWN IS 60,000 , WATER FOR THE MIDTOWN SPLASH PAD WHICH WE CONVERTED FROM A RECYCLING SYSTEM TO NON-RECIRCULATING SYSTEM WHICH DOES REDUCE STAFF TIME AND CHEMICALS . GENERAL INSURANCE, THE INSURANCE WE NEED FOR THE NEW ASSETS INCREASED BY 25,000. I WILL BREAK TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THE GENERAL FUND.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I KNOW YOU HAVE ITERATED THESE CLEARLY AT WHAT'S DRIVING THE INCREASE THE ADDITIONAL CLEANING IN MIDTOWN I KNOW YOU HIRED JANITORIAL STAFF , BUT THAT IS IN ADDITION TO HIRING THE STAFF AND THEN YOUR CORE MAINTENANCE FUNCTIONS FOR MIDTOWN THAT YOU PUT IN THERE , IS THAT ALSO MOSTLY DRIVEN BY TRASH PICKUP? IS IT MOSTLY LEAF? I KNOW YOU DO A LOT WHAT'S DRIVING IT AND IS THERE POSSIBILITY OF EVENTS WERE DRIVING THIS TO HELP WITH VOLUNTEERS WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO DO MORE PICKUP AFTER EVENTS OR WITH EVENTS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON INCREASING THAT VOLUNTEERISM IN THE CITY AND THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT

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>> THANK YOU COUNSELOR. ALL OF THE ABOVE IS WHAT IS DRIVING IT.

GENERAL USAGE OF THOSE SPACES AND KEEPING IT CLEAN, DEFINITELY A LOT OF TRASH REMOVAL, CLEANING OF THE RESTROOMS AT THE CARMICHAEL, THOSE ARE THINGS THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE DRIVING IT, CLEANING UP THE TRAIL IT'S ALL CONTRIBUTING TOWARD THAT. YES THE EVENTS DO HAVE A FACTOR IN THAT AND I DO THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT INCREASED VOLUNTEERS, BUT WHAT WE FIND FOR YOUR EVENT SPECIFIC THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES BUT THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE COMING TO THOSE EVENTS A LITTLE BIT OF CHALLENGES AND OUR STAFF ARE REALLY GREAT AND WHEN EVENTSARE GOING IT WOULD BE OUR STAFF NOT CONTRACTUAL. I THINK IT PROVIDES THE ATTENTION THAT'S NECESSARY , POSTEVENT MAYBE THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR INCREASING VOLUNTEERS AND I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY INVESTIGATE THAT. DID THAT

ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION? >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IF YOU

HAVE MORE SLIDES KEEP GOING. >> NOW TO THE NONREVERTING PARK CAPITAL FUND WHICH IS ALSO FUNDED BY THE CITY. THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER, TOTAL REQUEST JUST TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS GOES IF YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET REQUEST THESE NUMBERS ARE INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL FUND AS A TRANSFER AND THEN TRANSFERRED INTO THIS CAPITAL FUND. WE HAVE THREE BASIC ITEMS IN HERE A LITTLE OVER $90,000 FOR THE MONO GREENWAY IMPROVING SOME OF THE GRAVEL SHOULDERS IN KEY PLACES ESPECIALLY THE NORTH AND SOUTH ENDS. AS WELL AS TARGETED ASPHALT REPAIRS. $23,210 FOR OTHER STRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

THE LYING SHARES FOR INVASIVE SPECIES REMOVAL WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS GOING IN OPERATIONS FOR CAPITAL TALKING WITH ZACH THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AND LOOKING AT WHAT STATE PARKS DOES , YOU KNOW YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT BOTH HISTORICALLY HAVE IT IN THE CAPITAL FUND. HISTORIC TRAFFIC WE HAVE KEPT IT THERE. IT ALSO INCLUDES TARGETED REPAIRS , LOOKING AT AUTOMATING A NUMBER OF TRAIL COUNTERS, ALL TRAIL COUNTERS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW OWNED BY THE CITY ON THE MONO , WE HAVE TO SEND STAFF TO DOWNLOAD THE DATA. THIS WOULD GIVE REAL-TIME INFORMATION AND ALLOW MAINTENANCE STAFF TO BE FUNCTIONING ON MAINTENANCE AS OPPOSED TO ONCE A MONTH DOWNLOADING THE DATA. IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME SECURITY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT CENTRAL PARK AS WELL AS MONO GREENWAY SIGNAGE REPLACEMENT INCLUDING INTERSECTION SENSE, THOSE ITEMS WERE INCLUDED THIS YEAR IN THE BUDGET, BUT BECAUSE OF AUSTERITY MEASURES THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED, WE DIFFERED THOSE NOW LOOKING TO INCORPORATE THEM IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AS A CAPITAL LEASE AND FURNITURE AND FIXTURES, $19,000 BASICALLY REPLACING SOME OF THE AMENITIES WITHIN MONO BOULEVARD HEAVY USAGE , SO THIS YEAR WE ARE PLANNING TO REFURBISH THE BOCCE BALL AND SHUFFLEBOARD COURTS AND REPLACING THE PLAYGROUND SIGNS AT THE MONO BOULEVARD WHICH ARE LOOKING TIRED. LOOKING AT SUMMARY, IT IS A $74,000 $190 , 4901 , $4901 INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR. PERCENTAGE LOOKS BIG THE DOLLAR AMOUNT NOT SO. LET ME GO TO THE SUMMARY WITH CITY BUDGETS. THIS YEAR BETWEEN THE NONREVERTING PARKS CAPITAL FUND AND THE GENERAL FUND WE ARE REQUESTING $7,078,223. THAT IS AN INCREASE OF SLIGHTLY $6.7 MILLION IN THIS YEAR'S APPROVED BUDGET, COMPARING TO THE ACTUALS FROM 24 IT IS BELOW THAT WHICH WAS UNDER $7.5 MILLION. HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE NON- REVERTING PARKS CAPITAL FUND. HAVE A COUPLE MORE SLIDES TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE BUDGETS THAT ARE NOT FUNDED TO THE GENERAL FUND SO FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY WE WILL MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF HOW THIS OTHER DOLLARS WERE PROVED TO BE SPENT BY THE

PARK BOARD. >> ANY QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT?

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>> OKAY. >> SO WE STILL HAVE SOME LEFT OVER RESERVES FROM FROM THE LOCAL INCOME TAX DOLLARS WE RECEIVED FROM CLAY TOWNSHIP ATTRIBUTED TO THE CENTRAL PARK BOND. THESE ARE LARGELY FOR CAPITAL REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS BEING PROVEN BY THE LIFECYCLE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN. WE HAVE $30,000 ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE CARY GROVE, THIS IS DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS FENCING AROUND THE DRAINAGE AREA. AND NOT THE ENTIRE AREA BECAUSE MOST OF IT IS GRASSY AREA USED BY THE PUBLIC THAT HAS MORE STONE AND WE PREFER THE KIDS NOT PLAY ON THAT. WE HAVE $20,000 TO BRING ONLINE THE DIGITAL KIOSK AT THE NORTH TRAILHEAD. WE HAVE THE KIOSK AT CENTRAL PARK IN THE TRAILHEAD ALLOWING US TO GET MORE INFORMATION TIMELY WITHOUT HAVING TO SEND OUT STAFF TO THOSE. SO WE HAVE NOT HAD ISSUES, WE ARE NOW MOVING TO NORTH TRAILHEAD ULTIMATELY WE WILL CONSIDER SOUTH TRAILHEAD.

SO WE ARE BEING STRATEGIC IN REPLACING THE DIGITAL KIOSK.

THERE ARE SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES AT THE PARK SO WE HAVE ATTRIBUTED $10,000 TO ADDRESS THOSE BY THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.

WE HAVE $122,550 OF CENTRAL PARK INCLUDING ASPHALT REPAIRS AS WELL AS ADMINISTRATING COMPOUNDS, THE OFFICE ROOF IS DUE FOR REPLACEMENT AND WE WILL ADD SOME DIGITAL SPEED SIGNS ALONG EAST DRIVE SIMILAR TO WEST DRIVE WE FIND PEOPLE SEE HOW FAST THEY'RE GOING, IT DOES HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT TO KEEP PEOPLE GOING. WE HAVE $49,000 BUDGETED, THERE'S A SMALL SECTION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO WESTPARK THAT NEEDS A LITTLE REPAVING, THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RENOVATIONS WE DID SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THAT WILL BRING THE ENTIRE DRIVE WITHIN WESTPARK WITHIN GOOD STANDARDS WE ARE ADDING PLAYGROUND FENCING FOR WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN PARKS AT CARY GROVE AND COMMONS JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE BETWEEN THE PLAYGROUND AND PARKING AREA SO IF YOU HAVE KIDS WHO GET ADVENTUROUS, PARENTS AND GUARDIANS HAVE MORE TIME TO GRAB THEM. AND THAT SOME TARGETED TRAIL ASPHALT REPAIRS. IN FOUNDERS PARK WE ARE BUDGETING $750,000 FOR A FLOATING BOARDWALK I BELIEVE I MENTIONED THAT AT THE LAST QUARTERLY REPORT TO THE COUNCIL. I WILL NOTE WE HAVE INCLUDED IT HERE, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE PROPOSAL FROM THE CONTRACTOR QUICKER SO WE MAY ACTUALLY ASK TO APPROPRIATE OR NOT INCLUDED IN THE 26 BUDGET, BUT TO THE ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATE IN THIS YEAR, DOLLARS ALREADY IN THE BANK SO IF WE CAN GET IT APPROPRIATED MOVING QUICKER THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT US FROM DOING SO. AND IT ENSURES WE DON'T HAVE PRICE ESCALATION AS WE GO INTO NEXT YEAR. WE HAVE $150,000 FOR THE WHITE RIVER CORRIDOR SPECIFICALLY TARGETED FOR REPAIRS AND WORK AT THE HISTORIC HOMESTEAD FEATURED HERE THIS YEAR CARAMEL CLAY PARKS AND RECREATION WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE THIS HOUSE ADJACENT TO RIVER HERITAGE PARK, NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BUT IT IS AN ASSET THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE. THIS HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1827, THE SECOND OLDEST BRICK HOUSE IN HAMILTON COUNTY, THE OLDEST IN CARMEL AND THE OLDEST IF NOT ONE OF THE OLDEST EXISTING STRUCTURES STILL EXISTING WITHIN WHAT IS NOW THE CITY OF CARMEL. THE HOUSE THE MOFFAT'S WERE FRIENDS WITH THE CONNORS SO IT'S SIMILAR TO THE CONNOR HOUSE AT CONNER PRAIRIE.

WE ARE WORKING WITH ARCHITECTURAL PROGRAM AT BALL STATE UNIVERSITY TO DO IN THE ASSESSMENT, WE DID DUE DILIGENCE WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE BUT WE WANT TO LOOK AT IT FROM HISTORICAL FACTORS SO THEY WILL HELP US DECONSTRUCT THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE AS WELL AS HELP PRIORITIZE THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO FROM HISTORIC STANDPOINT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE PROPERLY PRESERVING THE HOUSE SO WE ARE ALLOWING SOME DOLLARS FOR THAT.

BEAR CREEK PARK WE ARE PROPOSING 225,000, FOR THE GREENWAY POND

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$750,000 FOR CONTINUED ENHANCEMENTS ALONG THE WHITE RIVER GREENWAY EXTENSION AND THOSE WERE DOLLARS THAT CAME FROM THE CITY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE BOND $23.2 MILLION TO BE EXACT. WE HAVE TO FINISH WORKING FROM THE TOWNSHIP, CONTRIBUTING $1.5 MILLION FOR THE WHITE RIVER PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OPENING UP NEXT MONTH AS WELL AS $3.1 MILLION FOR THE JAPANESE GARDEN RENOVATION WHICH WILL BE OPENING UP SHORTLY. AND THE DRUMMER TO OUR THREE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. THIS IS THE EXTENT OF THE DETAIL, $6.4 MILLION IN REVENUE AND EXPENSE FOR EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT IN SUMMER CAMPS. 7.9 MILLION IN REVENUE EXPENSES FOR THE MONO COMMUNITY CENTER AND RECREATION PROGRAMMING AND A LITTLE OVER $200,000 FOR THE DOG PARK AND SHELTERS AND THE PAVILIONS , THE PROGRAM PAVILIONS WE HAVE AN FOUNDERS AT WESTPARK. LOOKING AT OUR BUDGETS AS A WHOLE, OPERATING CAPITAL BUDGETS REQUESTED FOR THIS YEAR TOTALING $26.3 MILLION WHICH IS AN INCREASE FROM 25.1. MOST OF THE INCREASE DRIVEN BY OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS WHICH ARE COMPLETELY SELF-SUFFICIENT WITH REVENUES WE GENERATED. LOOKING AT HOW THIS BREAKS OUT FOR THE FUNDING SOURCES VERSUS EXPENSES.

YOU KNOW ABOUT $14.6 MILLION EARNED INCOME , THE DOLLARS WE ARE RECEIVING FROM USES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER WITHIN THE EXTENDED SCHOOL ENRICHMENT PROGRAM AS WELL AS CAMPS WAS $7.1 MILLION FOR THE CITY GENERAL FUND, $2.8 MILLION IN LOCAL INCOME TAX RESERVES FROM CLAY TOWNSHIP AND $2 MILLION FROM THE PARK AND RECREATION IMPACT FEE. WHEN YOU LOOK TOTALLY AT OUR EXPENSES, THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR PROPOSED BUDGET IS 21.2 MILLION OPERATIONS AND $5.1 MILLION IN CAPITAL. WHEN YOU ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE DOLLARS NOT TAKING IN THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF BOND DOLLARS WE RECEIVE BUT THE 26 REQUESTED BUDGET , THE CITY IS CONTRIBUTING 32% OF THE OPERATING BUDGET AND THOSE ARE FOR THE NONREVENUE DRIVING THINGS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND

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>> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT?

>> YOU ARE SO THOROUGH THAT YOU DON'T LEAVE ANY QUESTIONS

UNANSWERED. >> THAT'S THE GOAL.

>> LAST CALL. >> SAME QUSTION TO JACOB, WHAT ARE YOU MOST EXCITED ABOUT IN THE BUDGET?

>> SO, FOR NEXT YEAR I'M INCREDIBLY EXCITED ABOUT US STARTING TO MOVE FORWARD ON CONSTRUCTION OF BEAR CREEK PARK, THIS YEAR THE BUDGET IS FOR THE PHASE 2 BUT IT WILL ROLL OFF OF WHAT WE ARE ENVISIONING FOR NOW. THIS WILL BE AN INCREDIBLE PARK, WE GAVE A PRESENTATION TO THE PARK BOARD LAST WEEK, SEEMS LIKE MONTHS AGO ALREADY AS FAR AS WHAT WE ENVISION PHASE 1 IMPROVEMENT TO BE. IT IS GOING TO BE A UNIQUE PARK SERVING INCREDIBLE NEEDS FOR THE COMMUNITY. I AM EXCITED THAT , YOU KNOW I FEEL WE HAVE ALL THE RESOURCES WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE SERVICES AT THE LEVEL THAT THE RESIDENTS EXPECT AND I AM APPRECIATIVE OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. FOR OUR RESIDENTS, QUALITY OF LIFE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVES PEOPLE TO CARMEL AND PARKS ARE NOT THE SOLE FACTOR DRIVING QUALITY-OF-LIFE BUT A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN DRIVING THAT, EXCITED WE WILL HAVE THOSE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO DO THINGS AND I AM EXCITED THIS BUDGET INCLUDES NECESSARY CAPITA REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS GIVEN RESIDENTS WHICH IN TURN GIVES YOU AS ELECTED OFFICIALS CONFIDENCE TO INVEST IN THE PARK SYSTEM IS WE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THE ASSETS THAT WE DO HAVE, IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF PARKS AND FACILITIES YOU WON'T WANT TO INVEST IN NEW THINGS. THIS BUDGET ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR EXISTING ASSETS AT A TOP-NOTCH LEVEL SO THAT PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO WANT TO COME TO US. THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. IF WE DON'T CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THAT, THE INCREDIBLE FACILITY PEOPLE WILL NOT WANT TO SPEND DISCRETIONARY TIME AND INCOME THERE IF THE FITNESS EQUIPMENT IS NO LONGER FUNCTIONING. IF THE TILES WHICH LIKE OUR RESTROOMS IN THE AQUATIC LOCKER ROOMS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER , THE BUDGET INCLUDES DOLLARS TO REPLACE THAT FROM CONCRETE WHICH HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO KEEP CLEAN TO THE TILES. IT'S NOT VERY SEXY AS FAR AS CAPITAL PROJECTS BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO CREATE THE EXPERIENCE THAT OUR MEMBERS AND VISITORS EXPECT SO THERE'S A LOT OF BASICS WITHIN OUR BUDGET THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC MAY NOT BE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT, BUT IT CONTINUES TO PROVIDE EXPERIENCES THEY WANT AND IT DOES ALLOW US TO DO SOME PRETTY COOL PROJECTS THAT MAKE OUR PARK SYSTEM, THE

PARK SYSTEM THAT IT IS. >> COUNCILOR WORRELL.

>> THANK YOU. DIRECTOR, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND ASK A QUESTION. WHEN I LOOK AT THE PICTURE THERE THAT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHY I HAVE SUCH CONFIDENCE IN YOUR LEADERSHIP , CERTAINLY THE LEADERSHIP WRITER TO YOU, BUT WHAT YOU HAVE BUILT, SITTING THROUGH THE BUDGET DISCUSSION IS REALLY SUPER SIMPLE. BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING FROM A PLACE OF GREAT TRUST. AND THAT IS EXHIBITED BY NOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS OR ANGST OR CONCERN , IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU RUN A REALLY GREAT SHIP AND FOR THAT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND TAKE YOU TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE ON THAT PHOTO. THE COMMENT I'M GOING TO MAKE IS WHEN THERE IS AN ORGANIZATION LIKE YOURS THAT IS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL THE INCLINATION MIGHT BE TO ASK YOU TO DO MORE AND MORE AND MORE. AND I JUST WANT YOU TO PROMISE ME THAT, YOU WILL EVALUATE , EVERY TIME, ANY ENTITY, IT COULD BE US OR SOMEONE ELSE WHO COMES TO YOU AND SAYS HEY YOU ARE SO

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>> I THINK MAKING CARMEL CLAY PARKS AND REC SO SUCCESSFUL WE UNDERSTAND CORE COMPETENCIES AND REEVALUATE EVERYTHING AGAINST THE CORE COMPETENCIES. AND WHEN WE LOOK TO NEW ADVENTURES, HOW DOES IT FIT IN WITH WHAT WE DO WELL? IS IT A LOGICAL EXTENSION OR IS IT OUTSIDE WHAT WE KNOW WE CAN DO BEST? BUT THANK YOU FOR

THOSE COMMENTS. >> COUNCILOR MINNAAR AND NO RUSH ON COMMENTS WE ARE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, BUT I DID LET CORPORATION COUNCIL NO WE ARE AHEAD SO THEY CAN PRESENT EARLY.

>> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN. I ECHO EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAYS ON THE DAIS ABOUT YOU, I WANT TO POINT OUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS, WHAT YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT WHAT I WILL CALL THE UNGLAMOROUS FUNDING, IT'S NOT SEXY, IT'S NOT WOW, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE AND CONTINUALLY INVITING PEOPLE BACK BECAUSE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE IS THERE. THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT UNGLAMOROUS SPENDING PEEPS PEOPLE COMING BACK. THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF AND TO THE BOARD.

>> WE SIMPLY WOULD NOT BE, THE ORGANIZATION WE ARE, WITHOUT THE TREMENDOUS TEAM THAT WE HAVE ALL THE WAY FROM OUR LIFEGUARDS AND PART-TIME MAINTENANCE TEAM, TO THE TOP NOT INCLUDING ME. ALSO THE PARK BOARD AND ALSO ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO HAVE CONTINUED TO TRUST US OR GIVE US THE RESOURCES WE NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND SERVE RESIDENTS WHICH IS THE NUMBER ONE GOAL SO

THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> NEXT UP WOULD BE HR AND THEN CORPORATION COUNCIL AND WE CAN DISCUSS WHETHER TO CALL SOMEONE IN OR GET A LONGER BREAK IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH.

>> CAN I MAKE ONE MORE INTRODUCTION TO THE COUNCIL? I DID NOT SEE COMING IN BEHIND BECAUSE WE ARE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE WE HAD A SECOND MEMBER COME, GARRISON, I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR BEING PRESENT. SINCE WE ARE AT A SCHEDULE ONE OF MY PARK MEMBERS I DID NOT SEE COME IN BEHIND ME IS ALSO HERE SO I WANT TO RECOGNIZE JIM GARRISON. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. GET YOUR SLIDES UP AND START SPEAKING WHEN YOU ARE READY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT, HE IS AN EXPERT AT IT. :

>> I'M GOING TO USE PAPER LIKE NICK, WE ARE OLD SCHOOL. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND GOOD MORNING FOR THE TIME TODAY, TO GO THROUGH THE 2026 BUDGET REQUEST FOR THE HR DEPARTMENT. I AM NICOLE MURPHY, I'VE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO MEET MOST OF YOU AT THIS POINT. IT HAS BEEN A VERY BUSY YEAR SO I THINK, I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE HR OFFICE SO I WELCOME VISITORS TO COME AND CHAT. IT IS NICE TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS MORNING. I KNOW WE ARE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE BUT I WILL JUMP RIGHT IN. AND THUS THERE'S ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRST LIGHT WE

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THIS HAS BEEN A THEME OF THE BUDGET HEARINGS, WE CARE ABOUT EMPLOYEES AND THE HUMAN PART AND I DO, TOO. A NEW HIRE IT IS EXCITING TO BE A NEW EMPLOYEE AT THE CITY OF CARMEL. CHANGING THAT ALLOWS US TO FOCUS LESS ON ADMINISTERED OF TASKS AND HOW COOL IT IS TO BE AN EMPLOYEE FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL. IN ADDITION WE CREATED THREE NEW VIDEOS , IN RELATION TO ON BOARDING AND ORIENTATION. SO A NEW HIRE WILL RECEIVE TWO VIDEOS PRIOR TO THE FIRST DAY, THE FIRST CONGRATULATING THEM ON GETTING THE OFFER, THE SECOND KEEPS THEM EXCITED ABOUT THEIR START DATE AND THE THIRD ONE IS SHOWN AT ORIENTATION WELCOMING THEM AS A NEW EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF CARMEL. AGAIN SORT OF LOW HANGING FRUIT, BUT BIG IMPACT. PRETTY PROUD OF THE THIRD BULLET. THE NEW EMPLOYEE MENTAL HEALTH SOLUTION. THIS WAS A LONG TIME COMING AND A PROJECT THAT STARTED BEFORE I WAS HERE. IT IS EVIDENT IN THESE CONVERSATIONS YOU ARE HAVING THAT MENTAL HEALTH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF CARMEL AND THIS ADMINISTRATION AND YOU ALL. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND ALSO THE REST OF EMPLOYEES, TOO. SO WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM EAP, WE HAVE PARTNERED TO BE OUR NEW EAP PROVIDER, IT DOES HAVE A ROBUST PIECE SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND PUBLIC SAFETY, ALSO IT IS COMPREHENSIVE FOR THE EMPLOYEE BASE. SO THAT BEGAN SEPTEMBER 1, WITH A COUPLE EMPLOYEES ALREADY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SERVICE. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING A COMMUNICATION PLAN FOR EMPLOYEES AND SUPERVISORS HOW TO BEST UTILIZE AND ROLL IT OUT SO THERE IS MORE TO COME ON THAT. OKAY WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL NUMBERS PARTS OF TODAY.

THIS IS OUR REQUEST FOR PERSONAL SERVICES , WE DO HAVE SIX FULL-TIME POSITIONS , ONE PART-TIME POSITION AND WE HAVE BUDGET DOLLARS FOR ONE PART-TIME POSITION AS NEEDED. THE MOST RELEVANT EXAMPLE WE HAVE FOR THAT POSITION WAS ALL EMPLOYEE FILES WERE ON PAPER , WHEN I STARTED WE HAD A PAPER FILE, WE DID DIGITIZE THOSE AND WE NEEDED SOMEBODY TO GO THROUGH EACH EMPLOYEE RECORD AND MAKE SURE THE FILES UPLOADED PROPERLY SO THAT WAS A GOOD USE OF A AS NEEDED PART-TIME PERSON INSTEAD OF DEDICATED FULL-TIME STAFF TIME. WE DO NOT HAVE VACANCIES AND WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY NEW POSITIONS FOR 2026.

OKAY, THE HR DEPARTMENT DOES HOUSE SOME CITYWIDE COSTS. THIS IS THE MAJORITY OF THE COST, THE BIGGEST CHANGE ON THIS LIST WILL BE THE APPROPRIATION FOR WORKMEN'S COMPENSATION.

HISTORICALLY THE AMOUNT REQUESTED WAS MUCH LOWER THAN THE ACTUAL EXPENSE FOR WORKMEN'S COMPENSATION. NOT SURE HOW THAT NUMBER WAS DERIVED IN THE PAST BUT THIS NUMBER REFLECTS MORE ACCURATELY WHAT WE SPEND ON WORKMEN'S COMPENSATION. WE ALSO HOUSE THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE, OUR

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OKAY OUR BUDGET LOOKS VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM 2024 , 2025 AND 2026 BECAUSE THERE WERE STRUCTURAL CHANGES THAT HAPPENED, IN 2024 PAYROLL WAS NOT HOUSED IN THE HR DEPARTMENT SO BETWEEN 2024 AND 2025 WE DID TAKE ON SOME EXPENSES. THE PAYROLL ADMINISTERED HER SALARY, THE SOFTWARE FEES WHICH THAT WAS TO 60, THE BIGGIE AMOUNTS, WORKMEN'S COMP. WHICH IS 420 WAS NOT THERE. RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE WAS NOT IN THE BUDGET, WELLNESS PROGRAMS AND TUITION REIMBURSEMENT FOR THIS YEAR.

AND NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT? I DID NOT THINK I WOULD

GET OFF THAT EASY. >> COUNCILOR MINNAAR.

>> WE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TUITION REIMBURSEMENT QUITE A BIT, SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE HOW YOU ARE GOING TO HANDLE DIVVYING, HOW IT IS BROUGHT TO YOU AND DIVVIED. JUST

TO GET AN IDEA. >> I DON'T FORESEE ANYTHING WITH THE PROCESS CHANGING. THAT IS WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE HOUSED, SO THE PROCESS NOW AN EMPLOYEE INTERESTED IN HAVING TUITION REIMBURSEMENT WILL GO TO THEIR SUPERVISOR OR DIRECTOR IT STARTS THERE, THE DIRECTOR HAS THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE YES OR NO, THERE ARE SOME THINGS ALREADY IN THE POLICY OF QUALIFICATIONS, THEY HAVE TO BE HERE BY YEAR THE PROGRAM HAS TO APPLY TO THE CURRENT POSITION OR A FUTURE CAREER PATH HERE AT THE CITY OF CARMEL. THERE ARE SOME OTHER STIPULATIONS. WE INCLUDED COURSE BY COURSE, SO IT'S NOT JUST THE ENTIRE PROGRAM IS IMPROVED. SO ONCE IT IS APPROVED THE PROGRAM MEETS QUALIFICATIONS AND WE KEEP LOOKING AT IT COURSE BY COURSE. I WORK NOW WITH THE DIRECTOR, I AM NOT GOING TO KNOW IF SOMETHING MAKES SENSE FOR THE EMPLOYEE IN A FIELD I AM NOT IN SO I WILL LOOK TO THE DIRECTOR TO GUIDE ME IF THIS MAKES SENSE FOR THE EMPLOYEE. AFTER THAT COURSE BY COURSE, THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION. WE HAVE TO KNOW ONE TIME THIS YEAR FOR A THEATER PROGRAM OR A THEATER CLASS AND PART OF THE PROGRAM SO THOSE NO US ARE PRETTY COMMON SENSE, BUT I DO NOT FORESEE CHANGING, IT IS WHERE THE MONEY IS HOUSED.

>> IF I CAN CLARIFY , CITY CODE IS PRETTY SPECIFIC ON WHAT IS REIMBURSED OR NOT AND IT DOES SAY REGARDLESS OF THE DEGREE AND MAYBE IT IS COURSE BY COURSE SO TO NICOLE'S POINT, WE MIGHT SUPPORT SOMEBODY OVERALL GETTING A BACHELORS DEGREE IN BUSINESS, BUT THERE ARE COURSES BASED ON CITY CODE THAT WE WOULD NOT REIMBURSE BECAUSE THE COURSE ITSELF IS NOT ADDED. I USE THE EXAMPLE, I TOOK BOWLING IN COLLEGE. QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR

SNYDER. >> WELL, ZACH , SO MAYBE ,

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>> I THINK THE WAY THE CODE CONTEMPLATES IT IS ONE, IT FLAT-OUT STATES IT CAN ONLY BE FOR TWO COURSES A SEMESTER SO THAT ALONE MIGHT ELIMINATE HALF THE QUESTION. I THINK IT CONTEMPLATES PRIOR TO THE START OF EACH SEMESTER , YOUR GIVING APPROVAL FOR THIS BEING IS THIS AN ACCEPTABLE COURSE OR NOT AND AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE COURSE YOU GO BACK WITH YOUR GRADES, TO PROVE TO HR OR YOUR DIRECTOR THAT I THINK IT IS A B

AVERAGE. >> THE POLICY SPELLS OUT THE EQUIVALENT LIKE IF YOU GET A B- IT'S 80% REIMBURSEMENT, IT'S IN THE POLICY AND LANGUAGE. IT IS NOT FULL REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE LOWER GRADE, BUT IT IS ALL SPELLED OUT.

>> IT IS TWO COURSES PER SEMESTER. BUT I THOUGHT THOSE

WERE MONETARY CAPS? >> THE MONETARY CAP IS 6500.

>> IN THEORY UP TO 600 OR 500 PER SEMESTER.

>> I THINK THAT IS THE ANNUAL CAP.

>> OKAY SO IF IT IS TRIMESTER I CAN DO IT THREE TIMES? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE EAP I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT TERM.

>> I'M SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO ASSUME THAT. EMPLOYEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, A VERY COMMON BENEFIT, THE GAMUT OF OFFERINGS RUN FROM MINIMAL , FOR EXAMPLE I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD AN EMPLOYER OFFER EAP WHERE IF YOU NEED MENTAL HEALTH ASSISTANCE , YOU GET THREE TIMES WITH MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDER. THEY GO ALL THE WAY FROM MINIMAL OFFERINGS TO ROBUST , VERY FULL-SERVICE , A LOT OF BENEFIT. WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IS WITH THE IU AND IT IS ADEQUATE. BUT IT IS NOT GEARED SPECIFICALLY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THEY EXPERIENCE IN THEIR ROLES , AND ALSO IT IS LIMITED ON HOW MANY VISITS AND IT DOES NOT ALLOW US TO DO CONTINUITY OF CARE. THAT FEEDS INTO THE MEDICAL BENEFITS. SO, WITH LERA YOU ARE ALLOWED 10, THE CITY WILL COVER 10 VISITS AND AFTER THAT SHOULD YOU NEED CONTINUITY OF CARE IT WILL WORK HAND-IN-HAND WITH THE BENEFIT PLAN SO AN EMPLOYEE, IF THEY NEED MORE THAN 10 CAN CONTINUE UNDER OUR MEDICAL AND IF IT COVERAGE.

>> ONE MORE QUESTION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCESS FOR THE RENT? IF CARMEL OWNS THE LAND THEN WHY, HOW IS THAT AGREEMENT

STRUCTURED? >> SO IT IS THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT THAT OWNS THE CONGO SPACE AND THERE ARE.

>> THE DEEDED OWNER IS THE CITY OF CARMEL.

>> AS THEY HAVE IT SET UP , THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT IS THE LAND BOARD , THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES TODAY WHERE THEIR REIMBURSEMENTS BETWEEN THE GENERAL FUND AND THE , UTILITIES OPERATIONS AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, FOR THE MOST PART IT IS THE UTILITIES REIMBURSING THE CITY , BUT THIS IS ONE WHERE THE GENERAL FUND IS REIMBURSING UTILITIES FOR THAT RENT SPACE.

>> NOT SAYING THERE'S A PROBLEM I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND. WE ALL HAVE BUILDINGS, UTILITIES IS THE MASTER TENANT AND THEIR

SUBLEASING TO HR? >> YES AND THEMSELVES. IT IS

THEIR BOND. 2019 OR SOMETHING. >> OKAY, SO WHEN THE QUESTION ABOUT THE LOCATION IS BEING THERE A GOOD LOCATION FOR THE

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>> I CAN SEE PROS AND CONS TO BEING THERE. IF HR IS HOUSED IN CITY HALL THERE'S BENEFIT TO THAT. WE GET A LOT OF EMPLOYEE TRAFFIC, PEOPLE CAN SEE THE DOOR AND HAVE A QUESTION SO THEY COME IN, WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH AS THAT, IT'S USUALLY PRETTY INTENTIONAL WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR WAY OVER THERE SO I DO PREFER TO BE OFF-SITE, AND ALLOWS FOR HARDER CONVERSATIONS TO HAPPEN IN A MORE CONFIDENTIAL WAY, THAT SPACE WORKS FINE PERSONALLY WE HATE THE PARKING OVER THERE BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.

I CAN SEE PROS AND CONS TO BE IN OR OUT OF CITY HALL. I WILL BE ACCOMMODATING WHEREVER WE GET MOVED TO.

>> THANK YOU. >> A FEW QUESTIONS, FIRST , AND MY RIGHT TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU TAKE OUT WHATEVER THE BUDGET AMOUNT WAS THE ACTUAL AMOUNT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR TUITION REIMBURSEMENT EVEN GOING BACK YEARS HAS NOT CHANGED MUCH?

>> THAT'S CORRECT IT HAS BEEN IN THE BALLPARK OF 40,000 PER

YEAR . >> SO THE POLICY CHANGES THIS IS NOT A BENEFIT OR INVESTMENT THAT'S GOING AWAY?

>> IT IS NOT. WE ARE CENTRALIZING HOW IT IS BEING PAID FOR AND I WILL SAY , I'M NOT SURE THE LAW HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN FOLLOWED BY EVERY DEPARTMENT NOW ALSO MAKING SURE THAT IT IS FLOWING THROUGH THE HR DEPARTMENT HELPS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL FOLLOWING THE LAW.

>> TALKING TO YOU IT IS NOT SOUND LIKE THE POLICY CHANGE WAS MEANT TO START SHOOTING STUFF DOWN. GREAT. TWO THINGS I WANT TO ASK ABOUT AND I KNOW WE ARE IN A TIGHT BUDGET YEAR SO THIS MAY BE LONG-TERM PLANS. HOW WE DEVELOP EMPLOYEES, WHEN WE HAVE REALLY GOOD EMPLOYEES WHO ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, I KNOW WE HAVE HAD TO UNDERSTANDABLY SO CUT BACK ON CONFERENCES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. WHAT ARE THE PLANS TO INVEST EMPLOYEES THAT CAN BE REAL LEADERS IN THE CITY ONE DAY TO HELP THEM GROW AND DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF REWARDS AND RECOGNITION PROGRAM TO REWARD EMPLOYEES FOR DOING GOOD WORK? OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEND A EMAIL OR GIVE A SHOUT OUT IN A MEETING, BUT TO GIVE A GIFT CARDS OR DO WE HAVE A BUDGET OF AD HOC BONUSES OR IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO REWARD EMPLOYEES OR SAVING THE CITY MONEY, GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND AND DO THE EXTRA THINGS?

>> WANT ME TO TAKE IT? TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION NOT AT THIS TIME. ALL KINDS OF DATA AROUND EMPLOYEE ENGAGEMENT AND REWARDING ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND RECOGNITION. SO, TOTALLY AGREE WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING EVEN IF WE CANNOT AFFORD TO WITH A TIGHT BUDGET. WE NEED TO DEFINITELY GET A SYSTEM IN PLACE.

>> WELL IF AN EMPLOYEE SAY THROUGH HARD WORK AND INGENUITY THEY SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY THAN WHAT IS THE HARM AND MAYBE GIVING THEM A LITTLE BIT OF REWARD FOR DOING SO?

>> I AGREE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE CURRENT BUDGET FOR THAT BUT EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION IS IMPORTANT. AS TO THE FIRST QUESTION LEADERSHIP AND DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY IS MUCH-NEEDED. WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE AND GREAT LEADERS AND THAT IS THE THING THAT'S NOT HAPPENING CONSISTENTLY THAT IS A PASSION POINT OF MINE AND BASED ON MY EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE, AND CAPABLE OF DOING SOME OF THIS SO I'M TRYING TO WORK THAT INTO MY SCHEDULE. WE HAVE DONE A FEW GROUP SESSIONS TO HELP BRING IN WITH A LACK OF OFFICIAL LMS OR TRAINING POSITION I'M TRYING TO BRING IT IN ON MY PLATE. ALSO, WE DO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT I LIKE TO CALL PAID FOR ONCE. WE ALREADY HAVE SOME INSURANCE RUNNING THROUGH , THEY WERE PAYING FOR THAT IN PART OF THE PREMIUMS, THEY HAVE A LMS SYSTEMS WHERE LOOKING AT WAYS TO INCORPORATE THAT. IT IS GEARED FOR MORE SAFETY, OSHA, I HAVE MET WITH MATT AT THE STREET DEPARTMENT TO FIND OUT BUT WE CAN USE SOMETHING WE ALREADY HAVE SO THAT'S WHERE I AM AT IN THIS TIGHT BUDGET STRUCTURE.

WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR, BUT WE HAVE THAT WE CAN USE TO GET TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT IN FRONT OF OUR PEOPLE.

>> COUNCILOR LOCKE. >> I'VE GOT TWO DATA REQUEST AND ONE KIND OF COMMENT, FIRST DATA REQUEST WILL BE EASY TO GET

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THE HISTORICAL NUMBERS? >> I HAVE THIS YEAR IN FRONT OF ME DO YOU WANT THAT NOW? HOW FAR BACK?

>> JUST THE LAST COUPLE TO SEE WHERE WE ARE TO SHOW THAT TREND AND SEE WHAT IT IS. APPROVALS AND DENIALS WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE I AGREE THIS IS A BETTER SYSTEM TO ENSURE THERE IS COMPLIANCE WITH THE RULE AND IF THERE ARE CHANGES NEEDED OR PROCESSES WE CAN IMPROVE LET'S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION , I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE HISTORICAL DATA FOR THAT FOR A COUPLE YEARS? AND THEN THE SECOND DATA REQUEST ON THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE, THAT'S A BIG TOPIC AND WE TALK ABOUT IT AS A GROUP AND STRATEGICALLY OBVIOUSLY IT IS A HUGE SPEND IN A DIFFERENT BUDGET ADDITION TO BRING IT BACK ONLINE, BUT WONDERING, OBVIOUSLY 2016 WAS THE CUTOFF POINT, 900,000 AND THE BUDGET IS PAYING FOR BENEFIT FOR PEOPLE BEFORE THE DATE, IS THAT NUMBER STATIC OR DOES THAT MOVE OVER TIME? WILL WE SEE THAT COME DOWN? EVERY KIND OF RECOMMENDATION PROCESS WISE TO GET US TOWARD THE END RESULT WHERE THAT IS A BENEFIT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT LIKE LOOKING AT IT STRATEGICALLY FROM A HR PERSPECTIVE HOW ARE WE IN TIMES WHERE WE ARE NOT INCREASING SALARIES OR A GOVERNMENT ROLE INCREASING SALARIES IS NOT THE THING THAT HAPPENS OFTEN BECAUSE IT IS PUBLIC SERVICE AND THAT'S THE WORLD WE LIVE IN. HOW CAN WE START TO SHAPE OR COALESCE AROUND SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF FOR THE CITY LONG-TERM I THINK IT GETS TO THE BROADER QUESTIONS WE WILL HAVE WITH A FINANCE MEETING COMING UP TO TALK ABOUT SALARY ORDINANCE AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ISSUE SPECIFICALLY IS ONE THAT HAS A DRAMATIC EFFECT SO IF THURSDAY TO ON THAT, WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY

FEEDBACK ON THAT NUMBER. >> COMMENT AND THEN GO TO DR.

JOSHI. >> PARTIAL RESPONSE IN REGARDS TO THE RETIREE HEALTH AND I WISH TONY WAS HERE BECAUSE HE COULD SPEAK ON THIS MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I CAN. BUT ESSENTIALLY FOR THE RETIREE BENEFIT THAT WAS TURNED OFF IN OCTOBER 2016 MEANING THAT EMPLOYEES THAT STARTED AFTER THAT EITHER OCTOBER 4 SOMETHING LIKE THAT EMPLOYEES THAT STARTED AFTER THAT, THIS BENEFIT OF IF YOU WORK FOR THE CITY 20 YEARS, YOU GET RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE, THAT WAS DISCONTINUED . THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE WERE ALREADY ELIGIBLE AT THAT POINT IN TIME OR STARTED BEFORE THE DATE AND REACHED ELIGIBLE, THE 20 YEARS AND WE DO NOT FUND THIS, WE DO NOT DO, WE DO NOT FUND THE ACTUAL LIABILITY. IDEALLY WE WOULD BE PUTTING ASIDE DOLLARS EVERY YEAR FOR FUTURE EXPENSES BECAUSE WE ARE GUARANTEED THE BENEFIT FOR THESE FOLKS, WE DON'T DO THAT , EVERY YEAR WE KIND OF SAY WHAT'S THIS WORTH FOR THESE PEOPLE? 900,000 SO THAT'S HOW WE FUND IT. CURRENTLY THE CITY UNFUNDED LIABILITY FROM ACTUAL STANDPOINT IS ABOUT $30 MILLION. I LOOKED LAST YEAR TURNING THE BENEFIT BACK ON FOR EVERYBODY, WHAT WOULD THAT COST? AND IF WE CONTINUE THE SAME MODEL WHERE WE ARE NOT PREPAYING ANY PART OF IT YES IT WOULD NOT BE ANY IMMEDIATE COST OF TURNING IT BACK ON BECAUSE AGAIN IT WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT STARTED AFTER OCTOBER 3, 2016, THEY WOULD NOT GET THE BENEFIT UNTIL 2036 AT THE EARLIEST BUT BY TURNING BACK ON WITHOUT FUNDING WE INCREASE THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY FROM 30 MILLION, TO 90 MILLION. SO WE HAVE TO FIND A STRATEGY.

>> THIS IS THE THIRD, YEAR AND A HALF, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS 2 1/2 YEARS AND WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AT THIS MEETING LAST YEAR WITH THE SAME PROCESS, THE IDEA THAT WAS HR BEING STRUCTURED CAN WE START TO WORK ON A PLAN TO DO THESE THINGS, THE IDEA OF CREATING A FUND FOR THIS GOING AFTER LEGISLATIVE PROCESS WE HAVE ALL STARTED TO BUILD OUT AS WE GET STRONGER AND STRONGER AS A COMMUNITY UNDER THE NEW ADMINISTRATION LIKE MAYBE THERE IS A PAVEMENT FOR US TO CREATE SOME FORMAT WHERE WE CAN SAVE UP FOR THE FUND AND CREATE THIS BENEFIT THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR CIVIL EMPLOYEES SPECIFICALLY

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>> WE DO HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES, NOT AT CITY HALL SO THAT HAS BEEN THE INTENTION OF MY TICKET OUT TO THOSE PLACES.

ONE OF THESE SUCCESS STORIES AND IT IS THE EASY STUFF, THE STUFF THAT IS EASY TO MESS UP AND EASY TO GET RIGHT, WE HAVE THE EMPLOYMENT LAW POSTERS THAT NEED TO GO IN EVERY BREAK ROOM IN ALL THE BUILDINGS WE HAVE AND THIS YEAR WE WENT AROUND AND DELIVERED THEM IN THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAD NEVER SEEN HR, EVER. SO IT'S EASY TO GET OUT AND MAKE CONTACT WITH EMPLOYEES.

WHEN I HAVE MEETINGS I WILL OFTEN GO TO THEIR LOCATION BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY IS AT CITY HALL, EITHER SO I LIKE TO BE IN THOSE SPACES AND INEVITABLY THERE SOMEBODY I BUMP INTO THAT SAYS DO YOU HAVE A MINUTE? AND THEN IT TURNS OF THE THINGS I GET TO HELP WITH. SO I HEAR YOUR POINT.

>> FOR SURE AND IN CLOSING IT IS CALLED HUMAN RESOURCES. IT IS ABOUT THE HUMAN BEINGS AND YOU ARE ADVOCATING , YOUR GOAL IS TO ADVOCATE FOR THE HUMAN ELEMENT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE AND IF YOU ARE DOING A GOOD JOB YOU GET TO BACK IT UP AND IF YOU'RE NOT DOING A BAD JOB , THERE'S MORE TO DO TO PROVE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT AND STAFF. IT ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR US TO ADVOCATE HARD FOR ALL WE HAVE AS YOU ARE DOING THAT ON THEIR BEHALF WITH IT SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO I KNOW IT'S

NOT EASY. >> COUNCILOR JOSHI.

>> SOME OF THE COMMENTS MY ESTEEMED COUNCILOR LOCKE MADE IN REGARDS TO YOUR HOUSE AND WHAT IT MEANS TO CONNECTION WITH EMPLOYEES SO I WON'T BELABOR THAT ONE, I WAS GOING TO REQUEST ALL THE LINE ITEMS THAT GOT MOVED INTO YOUR BUDGET FROM OTHER ITEMS WOULD BE EASY TO GIVE US WHERE TO THOSE COME FROM AND HOW MUCH WERE THEY SO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHICH OTHER BUDGETS MAY HAVE MOVED MONEY OVER INTO ANOTHER . MY WAY

OF LOOKING AT THE WORLD. >> IF I MAY, MOST OF THESE, IF NOT ALL OF THESE OCCURRED IN THE 25 BUDGET, SO FOR THIS YEAR ,

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THESE FUNCTIONS ON THE SLIDE. >> 24 TO 25 NOT 25 TO 26 CHANGES OKAY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I WAS NOT CLEAR ON THAT

THANK YOU. >> EXCEPT FOR THE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT. IT IS WORTH A LOT OF THESE FUNDED IN THE ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT WHICH IS THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT BUDGET. IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO MOVE OVER HERE.

>> IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, OTHERWISE WE HAVE CORPORATION COUNCIL NEXT AND WE WERE GOING TO GO INTO A BREAK EARLY, BUT I ASKED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO COME AROUND 11:15 SO WE CAN GET THEM IN BEFORE ANY KIND OF LUNCH BREAK. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HR? SO, HAVING THEM TOGETHER HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD WAY TO LINE THINGS FROM A LEGAL AND CODE STANDPOINT, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT WE ARE DRAFTING ORDINANCES, REARING CONTRACTS , PROVIDING ADVICE AND COUNCIL TO THE CITY AND COUNCIL, WE REPRESENT LITIGATION AND ACQUIRE LAND FOR CITY PROJECTS, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AS YOU KNOW WORK TIRELESSLY IN THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS ADHERING TO LOCAL ORDINANCES AND THEY ARE RESPONDING TO COMPLAINTS WHILE THEY'RE OUT ROUNDING IN THEIR VARIOUS AREAS. FOR THE 2025 ACCOMPLISHMENTS, IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT TO PUT ACCOMPLISHMENTS INTO A SLIDE, WE ARE SUPPORT DEPARTMENTS ARE LARGELY THE THINGS WE DO ARE SUPPORTING THINGS OCCURRING IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS YOU WOULD CONSIDER AN ACCOMPLISHMENT AND WE ARE PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR THOSE THINGS SO YOU MIGHT SEE THAT IN THE FORM OF A CONTRACT NEGOTIATED DOWN , FOR INSTANCE BUT THOSE ARE NOT SUPER EXCITING THINGS TO TALK ABOUT IN THE SAME MANNER AS YOU MIGHT HEAR ACCOMPLISHMENTS FROM POLICE AND FIRE FOR INSTANCE. ALSO CONSISTENT UPDATES TO THE UGO, MANAGING 1100 RECORDS REQUEST, WE ARE ON TRACK FOR AT LEAST 1500 FOR THE YEAR WHICH WILL BE CLOSE TO WHERE WE WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN LAST YEAR. FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE WE HAD A DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF RIGHT-OF-WAY SIGNS AND THINK THAT IS DUE TO INCREASED ENFORCEMENT THAT OFFICERS ARE OUT DOING ON A DAILY BASIS. ALSO HAVE HAD INCREASED COMPLIANCE IN CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES SO SOME OF OUR FREQUENT FLYERS HAVE TICKED IT DOWN THIS YEAR ALSO BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE WORK THOSE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG AND WANT TO MAKE SURE TO POINT OUT WE DO HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT, DOES A GREAT JOB AND I KNOW YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH HIM. MOVING ON TO OUR ACTUAL BUDGET. ROUGHLY 75% OF THE BUDGET COMES FROM PERSONNEL SO TEAM MEMBERS, VERY IMPORTANT FOR WHAT WE DO, THAT WOULD INCLUDE ME AS CORPORATION COUNCIL AND WE HAVE FOUR ATTORNEYS, ONE OF THOSE IS VACANT NOW, WE ARE NOT INTENDING TO FILL THAT FOR THIS NEXT YEAR OR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. CODE ENFORCEMENT INCLUDES FOUR OFFICERS WHO DO HAVE VACANCY HERE. DUE TO RECENT UNFORTUNATE PASSING. WE ARE PLANNING TO FILL THE VACANCY AND WE WILL BE POSTING FOR THAT SOMEWHAT SOON. WE DO HAVE SUPPORT STAFF OF 4

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THE NEXT SLIDE WE WILL THEN GO OVER THE TRAINING REQUEST AND , THIS BUDGET OR THIS PARTICULAR BUCKET OF MONEY IS TO COVER THINGS LIKE CONTINUING EDUCATION FOR LAWYERS, AND ALSO FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. THAT ALSO DOES INCLUDE PAYMENT FOR LICENSURE FEES. AND THEN, THE NEXT SLIDE IS ON OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THAT PARTICULAR BUCKET OF MONEY COVERS LOBBYING FEES AND OUTSIDE COUNCIL , WE GENERALLY USE OUTSIDE COUNCIL WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO TAKE SOMETHING ON WE DON'T HAVE EXPERTISE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. WE HAVE A VERY WIDE-RANGING AREA OF EXPERTISE AMONG ALL LAWYERS BUT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO COVER ALL AREAS OF THE LAW SO WE DO END UP NEEDING TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNCIL ON OCCASION. FINALLY THE NEXT SLIDE IS FLEET MANAGEMENT, THIS PARTICULAR BUCKET OF MONEY COVERS CARS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. SO THAT WOULD BE THEIR LEASES, ANY MAINTENANCE, GAS, ET CETERA AND THEN FINALLY ADMINISTERED OF OVERHEA, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY SUPPLIES, POSTAGE, THE LETTER HEAD AND THINGS OF THOSE NATURES. AND THEN PROBABLY THE NEXT ONE IS DEFERRAL FUND SO THIS IS THE ONE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WHERE WE HAVE A PORTION OF MY SELLER, DEFERRAL COORDINATOR SALARY AND MY ASSISTANT'S SALARY WHO ARE PAID OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR FUND, THAT IS NOT TAXPAYER MONEY THAT IS MONEY WE ARE COLLECTING DUE TO ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS. AND THEN, THE NEXT FUND IS OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT FUND, THAT COVERS ABATEMENTS. SO WHEN WE ARE FORCED TO HAVE TO ABATE , WHETHER IT'S TALLGRASS OR ANYTHING ELSE, WE USE THAT FUND TO PAY FOR THAT AND END UP GETTING REIMBURSED , BY THE PROPERTY OWNER WE ARE ENFORCING AGAINST. AND THEN I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE IS A SUMMARY. SO THIS WILL SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENCE FROM 24, 225, 226 AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE 25 BUDGET DUE TO CODE ENFORCEMENT BEING MOVED INTO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT BUDGET. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE BOTTOM LINE DOLLAR AMOUNT WE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR WITH OUR REQUEST. ANY

QUESTIONS? >> IF IT'S ALL RIGHT MIND IF I ASK QUESTIONS? OKAY SO I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE SLIDE YOU ARE ON NOW. FIRST OF ALL ZACH, LET ME KNOW THIS SAYS BUDGET 25, WHERE DO WE TRACK FOR ACTUAL SPEND IN SOME OF THESE ITEMS? IN TERMS OF YEAR-TO-DATE. YEAR TO DATE OR WE ANTICIPATE SPEND TO LAND BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE BUDGETED ON 25 AND THEN WE HAVE THE SPEND FOR 24. SO I KNOW THEY ARE DIFFERENT SO I LIKE TO COMPARE SPEND TO SPEND NOT BUDGET TO SPEND.

>> WE WILL PULL IT. I DON'T HAVE IT AT MY FINGERTIPS BUT WE

CAN PULL IT. >> FROM THAT HELP ME UNDERSTAND WE DID BRING IN CODE ENFORCEMENT, IS THAT THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE AS WE HAVE FROM 24 TO 25? SUCH AS ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD TRIPLING , THE TRAINING QUADRUPLING , PERSONNEL , I UNDERSTAND. SO WE HAVE GOT A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT WENT UP QUITE A BIT FROM 24 TO 25, IF WE SPEND ALL THE MONEY YOU WILL

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MOST CASES. >> SO I WOULD SAY THE WORK THAT PARTICULAR ATTORNEY WAS DOING WAS NOT WORK RELATED TO COUNCIL WORK. A LOT OF RECORDS REQUEST WORK WHICH WE ARE NOW SHIFTING AND USING PARALEGALS TO DO SORT OF A FIRST CUT ON A NUMBER OF THOSE RECORDS REQUEST, WHETHER PAPER RECORDS OR BODY CAM REQUEST , THEY TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE GENERALLY WHEN OFFICERS ARE CALLED OUT , IT IS NOT ONE OFFICER AT A PARTICULAR SCENE, SO YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THREE MAYBE FOUR OR MORE OFFICER BODY CAM FOOTAGE TO SEE WHETHER THINGS NEED TO BE REDACTED. WE SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME ON THAT AND WE ARE WORKING WITH PARALEGALS TO HAVE THEM TRAINED TO WORK ON THOSE THINGS FIRST. AS FAR AS THE OVERALL WORK WE ARE DOING, OUR OFFICE DOES SUPPORT THE COUNCIL AND WE'RE DOING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK WITH YOU , SO I WOULD SAY NO THAT HAS NOT DECREASED. BY VIRTUE OF HER

DEPARTURE. >> OKAY PROFESSIONAL FEES, WHEN YOU USE OUTSIDE COUNCIL FOR SPECIALTY THINGS HOW ARE THOSE DETERMINATIONS MADE? OBVIOUSLY I WANT YOU TO HAVE THE BEST LEGAL COUNCIL ON EVERY DECISION BECAUSE BAD LEGAL DECISIONS CAN COST THE CITY MONEY BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO IN-HOUSE WITH COMPETENCY THAT WE ARE DOING THAT. AND THEN I KNOW, FOR 25 AND INTO 24 ON THE PROFESSIONAL FEES, DID WE EVER GET A NUMBER ON HOW MUCH WE SPENT ON THE AFFILIATE REVIEW AND THE MARKET LEGAL CONSULTING ON THAT? I KNOW WE HAVE ASKED THE QUESTION BEFORE AND DID NOT GET ANY

ANSWER. >> WE PROVIDED THE REMITTANCE SHEETS AND REDACTED INVOICES AND I CAN PROVIDE THOSE TO YOU AS WELL. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS THAT WAS SPENT ON THE AFFILIATE REVIEW COMMITTEE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT WAS AN AREA OF EXPERTISE OUR DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE AND AS YOU KNOW COMING OUT OF THE REVIEW MANY TIMES IT WAS SAID IN A NUMBER OF MEETINGS THE OFFICE SHOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING 501(C)(3) WORK. IT IS NOT AN AREA OF EXPERTISE WE

HAVE. >> BALLPARK HUNDREDS OF

THOUSANDS? >> I WOULD NOT SAY HUNDREDS, PROBABLY 100. I COULD SEE THAT. I COULD GET YOU A NUMBER. BUT

YES, NOT HUNDREDS. >> QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL,

COUNCILOR SNYDER. >> OKAY, SOME OF THIS YOU WILL BE HEARING AGAIN SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SAVE SOME OVERARCHING COMMENTS BECAUSE I MADE THEM TO YOU. ONE IS ACROSS THE BOARD SPECIFICALLY IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, ENGINEERING, BUT REALLY ALL OF THEM. THE REDUCTION ON TRAINING AND CONFERENCES IS A STICKING POINT FOR ME. BECAUSE WHILE THEY MAY NOT ALWAYS GET ANYTHING OUT OF THEM , THE CONTINUOUS ATTENDANCE OF THESE THINGS I BELIEVE IT IS THE MORE IMPORTANT FEATURE. I BELIEVE THIS WILL BE MY 21ST YEAR , 21ST CONSECUTIVE YEAR AND 21ST CONSECUTIVE TREND 29, WHEN YOU ARE THERE YOU GET ASKED TO PRESENT AND IT IS IN THOSE SETTINGS I THINK CARMEL IS SHOWN IN THE MOST POSITIVE LIGHT BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE AUTHORITY THAT WE ARE STILL THE BEST AND WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S A GENERAL COMMENT ACROSS THE BOARD ON ALL CONFERENCES, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT THE MOST EDUCATIONAL FOR THE EMPLOYEE, SO THAT'S NOT 100% DIRECTED AT YOU, BUT ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT'S A GENERAL COMMENT. THE $600,000 FOR OUTSIDE SERVICES , I ASKED ABOUT THAT AND THAT NUMBER DOES NOT SCARE ME. TO DO THAT IN-HOUSE , MY MATH WAS , 235, PLUS , 155 ALL IN. $400,000 TO ADD ANOTHER ATTORNEY AND PARALEGAL. THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE NEEDED. SO, COOL. WHAT I DO HAVE ISSUE WITH IS $94,000 FOR THE

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GOING THROUGH WE HAVE THE SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS, WHERE THOSE NOT IN I.T.? THE I.T. BUDGET AND THAT IS A GENERAL KIND OF SEEMS LIKE I.T. SHOULD BE THE CLEARINGHOUSE. THE COPY MACHINE, $6600 WHICH IS A SIZABLE INCREASE AND I ASSUME YOU NEEDED TO BUY A NEW ONE OR YOU ARE RE-UPPING YOUR LEASE AND I WOULD SAY IS THAT, IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR EACH ATTORNEY TO HAVE THEIR OWN PRINTER? I WOULD THINGS OVER CONFIDENTIALITY, BUT IS THAT HOW IT IS SET UP CURRENTLY?

>> NO THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY HOW IT IS SET UP. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ON CONFIDENTIALITY AND I DO THINK OUR OFFICE IS VERY GOOD ABOUT MAKING SURE WE ARE LOOKING AT ONLY THE THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT. SO I WOULD SAY FROM THAT STANDPOINT I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE THEIR OWN PRINTER. THAT IS A NICE TO HAVE BUT I DON'T KNOW WE ARE IN NICE TO HAVE LAND RIGHT NOW UNFORTUNATELY. IF I COULD JUST TAKE A MOMENT, I THINK ONE OF THE SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS YOU WERE REFERENCING IS THE SUBSCRIPTION TO WEST LAW SO THAT IS WITHIN OUR BUDGET BECAUSE IT IS SIMPLY SOMETHING WE ARE USING. I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY WHY

THAT IS SITTING IN THE BUDGET. >> IF I CAN CLARIFY. BIG PICTURE WISE IF IT IS A SOFTWARE TOOL THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT USES ARE GENERALLY EVERY DEPARTMENT USES, SOMETHING LIKE OFFICE 360 MICROSOFT, THAT IS FUNDED THROUGH THE I.T. BUDGET, BUT IF IT TENDS TO BE A MORE SPECIFIC, IT'S ONLY THIS DEPARTMENT THAT USES THE SOFTWARE THEN I.T. STILL REVIEWS THE CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE ANY CYBER SECURITY RISKS ARE ADDRESSED. ULTIMATELY WE FIND THOSE TYPES OF EXPENSES OUT OF THE APPLICABLE

DEPARTMENT, NOT I.T. >> THANK YOU. YOUR LIBRARY REFERENCE MATERIALS $20,000. WEST LAW IS A RESEARCH SUBSCRIPTION SO YOU NEED THE HARD BACK AS WELL? I AM A PAPER,

BUT ? >> WE DO NOT HAVE HARD BACK COMING MY OFFICE YOU WILL SEE A OLD SET OF BOOKS BUT WE ARE NOT UPDATING THOSE. IT USED TO BE LEAFLETS WOULD COME OUT EACH

YEAR AS UPDATE. >> WHAT IS THE 20,000

>> WHAT IS THE 20,004? >> I CAN LOOK AT THAT AND IT MIGHT HAVE MISSPOKEN ON THE SOFTWARE CONTRACT. I KNOW WE ALSO HAVE CONTRACTS FOR LIKE TRACKS WITH THESTATE FOR ANY FEES WE ARE DEALING WITH SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT , THAT WAS THE I.T. COST BUT I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT FOR YOU.

>> OKAY THANK YOU, MY GENERAL THING IS A QUESTION WHETHER GETTING ANYTHING ABOUT PAYING LOBBYIST AND AS A GENERAL THING BECAUSE I HAVE A MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF ME, THE COUNTY WENT TO THE PAYROLL FOR RECORDS REQUEST AND PROPERTY SEARCHES AND I TAKE THAT AS SO ASININE FOR THE TAXPAYER AND WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT MEANS NOW IS ATTORNEYS AND PARALEGALS NOW HAVE TO DRIVE TO THE COURTHOUSE OR PAY INDIVIDUAL SUBSCRIPTIONS AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THE CITY TO BUY THAT SUBSCRIPTION AND PUT IT ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE SO CARMEL CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO PAY FOR ONCE, TWICE, PROBABLY 10 TIMES AND HAVE A LOGIN FOR IT.

>> COUNCILOR WORRELL. >> THANK YOU, TO BE RESPECTFUL TO CALL YOUR CORPORATE COUNSELOR? I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL. OKAY THANK YOU. THAT'S A LOT TO GET OUT. SAM.

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>> WE ARE WORKING ON THAT AND I APOLOGIZE I HAVE NOT GOTTEN IT TO YOU YET , BUT YES WE WILL GET IT OUT.

>> I HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS QUESTION. WHAT ARE YOU MOST EXCITED ABOUT IN THIS BUDGET YEAR? GOING INTO A YEAR WHERE WE TALK ABOUT CUTS AND STUFF BUT THIS IS YOUR SECOND YEAR WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT UNDERNEATH YOUR PROCESS, WHAT ARE THE THINGS YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO AND THEN HAVE A

COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS? >> WE ARE LAWYERS, SO NOBODY GETS THAT EXCITED ABOUT THE WORK WE DO OTHER THAN US, BUT THE THING I AM PROBABLY MOST EXCITED ABOUT IS WE ARE A SUPPORT FUNCTION, THAT'S WHAT WE DO AND THE WORK WE DO VARIES ON THE WORK OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING SO I LOOK AT THE THINGS POLICE AND FIRE ARE WORKING ON OR THE THINGS THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT IS WORKING ON, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE INTERESTING AND IT DRIVES OUR WORK . SO I CONTINUE TO BE SAID ABOUT BEING A SUPPORT FUNCTION, THAT'S THE ROLE WE PLAY AND THAT'S THE ROLE WE WILL ALWAYS PLAY, FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE I THINK YOU KNOW THEY ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON TIMING WITH CASES, THEY ARE TRACKING THOSE THINGS AND BRENT HAS SENT SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE TYPES OF CASES THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT, THE IMPACT THAT HAS HAD ON THE COMMUNITY SO PROBABLY FROM THE OUTWARD PERSPECTIVE, THE MORE INTERESTING AND EXCITING PART OF THAT WOULD BE CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THOSE ARE DIRECT THINGS YOU WILL SEE IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE MAYBE THERE WAS A EYESORE PROPERTY NOW CLEANED UP, MAYBE IT HAS A NEW OWNER, THOSE ARE THE MORE IMPORTANT AND IS

TRADING PARTS I WOULD SAY. >> YEAH, FOR SURE. OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A SMALL AND MIGHTY TEAM WITH SUPPORTS LIKE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE HAVING THAT BACK OFFICE PEOPLE HELPING MANAGE THE TRAINS AND KEEPING LAWYERS ON THE RAILS IS SUPER IMPORTANT. DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR TEAM HAS THE RESOURCES IT NEEDS TO ACCOMPLISH ITS WORK AND THIS WILL FILTERING THE QUESTIONS I HAVE ABOUT OUTSIDE COUNCIL. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE OKAY. GOING TO THE PROCESS THEY HAVE RESOURCES THEY NEED TO SUPPORT EVERYBODY IN THE

CITY. >> I DO THINK THEY ARE OKAY, I WISH AWARDS WERE GIVEN OUT LIKE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR LAWYERS BECAUSE I WOULD GIVE THEM OUT FOR MY TEAM, THEY ARE INCREDIBLE. THEY DO VERY VERY GOOD WORK AND THEY LOVE THE CITY AND THEY ARE VERY FOCUSED ON THE WORK THEY DO AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE CITY ON A DAILY BASIS. I THINK THEY ARE DOING WELL. OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU HAVE A POSITION OPEN AND YOU ARE NOT FILLING IT YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE WORK GOES BUT I THINK THEY HAVE ALL BEEN WILLING TO STEP UP AND IT'S NOT ALL FALLING ON ONE PERSON IT'S BEEN DIVVIED ACROSS SEVERAL PEOPLE.

SO I THINK FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THEY ARE ALL DOING WELL AND FEEL THAT THEY HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO SUCCEED.

>> I KNOW YOU ARE NOT NEW TO THE TEAM, BUT NEW TO LEADERSHIP SO THE IDEA BEING A ATTORNEY LEADER IN A GROUP OF ATTORNEYS, ECHO THE CONCEPT OF HAVING YOUR PRESENT AND U THERE SUPPORTING THEM KNOWING FULL WELL YOU'RE ANOTHER SET OF BILLABLE HOURS THAT CAN HELP THEM THROUGH IS SUPER IMPORTANT AND ON THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL THE NUMBER ON ITS FACE DOES NOT SEEM HIGH, HOW MANY RELATIONSHIPS TO OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS DO WE HAVE AND THEN THERE IS MANAGEMENT OF THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT GOES INTO THAT. WHEN I LOOK AT THAT AND THINK ABOUT HOW THAT PLACE WITH ATTORNEYS ON YOUR TEAM TO MANAGE THE RELATIONSHIP, I THINK IT IS NINE , BUT THE IDEA OF MANAGING RELATIONSHIPS AND ISSUES BECOMES YOUR FILTER POINT AND HOW THAT GOES SO HOW YOU ARE DOING ON THAT FRONT IF WE HAVE TOO MANY ARE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT BECOMES NOT SUSTAINABLE THE IDEA OF ADDING ANOTHER STABLE ATTORNEY ON OUR TEAM IS THE CHEAPEST LABOR HOUR YOU WILL GET FROM LEGAL WORK AS INTERNAL GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY MAY MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT TO HELP MANAGE A STABLE OF OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS SO

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>> AT ANY GIVEN TIME THERE ARE PROBABLY FIVE MAIN RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE WITH OTHER FIRMS THAT ARE DOING ANY WORK FOR US. THAT VARIES DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF WORK THAT WE ARE WORKING ON, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY THE CORE, FOUR OR FIVE FIRMS THAT DO THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK THAT WE ARE NOT DOING IN-HOUSE. YOU ARE CORRECT, IT DOES TAKE TIME TO MANAGE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, THAT'S PART OF MY JOB AND I TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY. I DO NOT HIRE OUTSIDE COUNCIL FOR THE BAILOUT PROTECTION WE ARE HIRING OUTSIDE COUNCIL WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH INTERNALLY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TOO BUSY WE DON'T HAVE THE AREA OF EXPERTISE AND AS YOU KNOW AS A LAWYER THERE SO MANY AREAS OF EXPERTISE YOU CANNOT FEEL THAT AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING WHERE THIS YEAR WE NEED A PARTICULAR AREA OF EXPERTISE AND IT DOES NOT COME UP FIVE YEARS SO IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO HIRE

SOMEBODY IN THAT AREA. >> THE LEGAL RELATIONSHIP TO EXPLORE I WOULD LOVE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE EXPERIENCE CARMEL, KNOWING THE 503C LAW, SOMETHING WE ARE NOT CAPABLE OF DOING AND WE HAVE HIRED OUTSIDE COUNCIL TO DO IT AND THE IDEA WE THINK ABOUT OUTSOURCING THE ENTIRE DIVISION OF CITY GOVERNMENT TO A NONPROFIT AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN US AND YOUR OFFICE SPECIFICALLY IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT.

>> OKAY THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR WONDERFUL ATTORNEYS, YOU TAKE MY CALLS ANYTIME DAY OR NIGHT, APPRECIATIVE OF THAT AND I WANT TO FOCUS ON CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE HAVE NOT TALKED A LOT ABOUT THEM AND THEIR IMPORTANT ROLE SO I WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO BRENT AND HIS TEAM AND THE HARD WORK THEY DO AROUND THE CITY TO KEEP US FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM LOOKING NICE, PEOPLE FOLLOWING THE RULES. SO I WANTED TO THROW IT OUT , THEY HAD A DEVASTATING LOSS THIS YEAR AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO BRENT AND HIS CREW. THAT IS IT, THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU, IT HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT LOSS, THE TEAM HAS WORKED TOGETHER FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND DARREN WAS AN INTEGRAL PART OF IT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR SNYDER?

>> SPEAKING OF CODE ENFORCEMENT THE MOVE WHEN IT FIRST HAPPENED I HAD I HAD FAIRLY STRONG RESERVATIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED THAT THEY MAY NOT BE AS QUICK TO DO THINGS BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE GOT LEGAL HOVERING OVER THEM. I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS HAPPENED, MORE IMPORTANTLY, EVEN IF IT WERE HAPPENING I GUESS THE POSITIVE SPIN WOULD BE YOU SAY THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE X BECAUSE OF Y THAN I THINK YOU WOULD BRING Y TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNCIL SO THEY CAN FIX THAT AND I CAN ENFORCE. THAT IS NOT HAPPEN OR MAYBE IT HAS BEEN IN OTHER AREAS SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING WITH BRENT COMING TO YOU OR SAYING WE THOUGHT WE COULD ENFORCE THIS AND YOU CAN SAY PROBABLY NOT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO FIX TO HELP THEM DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO?

>> I WOULD NOT SAY THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT CAN WE ENFORCE XYZ, ONE THING IS A MENTIONED BRENT AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN HERE FOR SO LONG AND THEIR EXPERTS AND WHAT THEY DO.

I WOULD SAY THE THINGS I HAVE SEEN INSTEAD ARE HEY, WE SEE THIS, THIS AND THIS AND THEIR CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN BRENT AND BENJAMIN OR BRENT AND ME ABOUT ENFORCEMENT AND HOW WE HANDLE

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CAN OR CANNOT BE ENFORCED. >> THAT IS GREAT TO HEAR. FINAL QUESTION WITHOUT DETAILS, WORKING ON , AT LEAST TWO LARGER CASES CURRENTLY I BELIEVE DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO GET THROUGH THOSE, PLUS DAY TO DAY STUFF THAT YOU USE OUTSIDE COUNCIL FOR OR IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY WE WANT TO BE READY IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION.

>> SO I WILL GIVE YOU WHAT I BELIEVE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

MY FEELING IS WE'RE PROBABLY 3/4 OF THE WAY THROUGH PROFESSIONAL SERVICES BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR WHICH ALIGNS WITH WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO I THINK WE WILL BE FINE. IF I COULD LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN JUST IN CASE, YOU KNOW LIKE I SAID WE SHOULD BE OKAY AND A LOT OF THE WORK IS HANDLED IN-HOUSE. I APPRECIATE

YOUR CONCERN. >> THANK YOU, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANT A SIDE NOTE THE ATTORNEYS WE WORK WITH HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC. ALLEY, I DON'T WORK WITH HER AS MUCH, BUT YOU HAVE A GREAT TEAM.

>> THANK YOU, THEY ARE INCREDIBLE.

>> I WANT TO THANK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR BEING READY EARLY. DOES ANYONE NEED ANOTHER RESTROOM BREAK BUT YOU WANT TO JUMP INTO IT? OKAY LET'S JUMP INTO IT. ALTHOUGH AFTER THIS WILL PROBABLY DO A LUNCH BREAK SO IF YOU WANT TO ORDER FOOD MAY

BE MESSAGE SOMEBODY. >> A TWO HOUR BREAK?

>> I WOULD LOVE TO GET DONE EARLIER TODAY THAT WAS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL INSTEAD OF HAVING A LONG BREAK WE COULD END THE

DAY EARLIER? >> HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE.

3:00. >> AFTER THIS WE WILL DO A LUNCH BREAK SO IF YOU WANT TO ORDER FOOD, LET US KNOW. CHIEF, WHENEVER YOU ARE SETTLED START TALKING.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> GOOD MORNING MR. PRESIDENT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. HONORED TO SERVE AS FIRE CHIEF FOR THE CITY. HERE WITH ME TODAY IS CHIEF LUCA RAY, DENISE SNYDER, ERIKA REINHARDT AND JESSE BAKER AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR LOCAL 44 -44 PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT. SO, A TOTAL TEAM EFFORT. I KNOW THIS MORNING DENISE WAS LOOKING THROUGH WE HAD 85 REVISIONS TO OUR DOCUMENTS SO WE ARE REALLY DOING DUE DILIGENCE TO ENSURE WE HAVE THE PROPER NUMBER. OF PERSONNEL AND FUNDING TO CARRY OUT THE MISSION. SO, WE WANT TO HAVE THE MISSION STATEMENT, THE MAJORITY OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ANYTIME I AM PRESENTING IN FRONT OF THEM OF THE MISSION, VISION AND CORE VALUES SO EVERY DECISION WE'RE MAKING, EVER CONVERSATION WERE HAVING IS RELATED TO WHY WE ARE HERE AND THAT IS TO BE COURTEOUS, COURAGEOUS AND SAFE AND THAT IS INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL, OUR MEN AND WOMEN DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF THIS. IN 20 24/9500 INCIDENTS WHICH PROBABLY EQUATES TO OVER 20,000 RESPONSES LOOKING AT SOME STATISTICS SO FAR THIS YEAR WE ARE 540 INCIDENTS AHEAD OF WHERE WE WERE THIS TIME IN 2024 SO WE ARE ON PACE TO SEE 600 TO 800 ADDITIONAL INCIDENTS BY THE END OF 2025. OUR VISION STATMENT I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK POINT ABOUT THIS PROVIDE THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF CUSTOMER SERVICE. OF ANY FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE STATE OF INDIANA. OVER MY 34 YEARS I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRAVEL AROUND THE STATE AND COUNTRY QUITE A BIT AND THAT IS A LOFTY GOAL BUT I TELL YOU OUR MEN AND WOMEN TO AN AND CREDIBLE JOB OF THIS. I BROUGHT A CARD REALLY A

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AND THAT IS WHAT WE DO EACH AND EVERY DAY AND I THINK THAT IS REFLECTIVE IN THE SLIDES WE HAVE GOING FORWARD. SOME OF OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS, CERTAINLY WITH MAYOR FINKAM, I CANNOT THANK HER ENOUGH FOR HER SUPPORT OF ME AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OVER THE LAST YEAR CELEBRATING THE YEAR AND OF COURSE ALL OF YOU. WE ARE STAFFING THE FIFTH AMBULANCE , STATION 42, ADDING TWO FIREFIGHTERS TO THE WEST SIDE, OUR FOLKS THAT WORK AT STATION 42 IN THAT AREA, APPRECIATE NOT ONLY TRANSPORTING SERVICE BUT THE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS , YOU DRIVE ON THE WEST SIDE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS UNDERWAY OUT THERE. WE HAVE SOME INCREDIBLE HOMES, WE TOOK A TOUR OF ONE THE OTHER DAY, UNLIKE ANY I HAVE SEEN IN EXCESS OF 25,000 SQUARE FEET SET BACK FROM THE ROAD COULD PRESENT CHALLENGES AND THE TECHNOLOGY WITHIN THE HOME IS INCREDIBLE. HAVING TWO ADDITIONAL STAFF VERY IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE RECENTLY PARTNERED WITH CARMEL HIGH SCHOOL AND EMT CLASSES SO THERE EMT CLASSES ARE RIDING ON CARMEL AMBULANCES, A GREAT WEIGHT TO WORK WITH THEM AND SEE SOME POTENTIAL RECRUITS OF THE FUTURE. TO HELP THEM ACHIEVE EMT CERTIFICATION ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE A INTERN, THEY HAVE A NEW GRADUATE PATHWAY PROGRAM. WE HAVE AN INTERN WORKING WITH US THIS SCHOOL YEAR, IN THE EMT CLASS LAST YEAR MAYBE SHE HAS INTEREST IN FIRE SERVICE, BUT SHE IS WORKING THROUGH DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, STARTING THE FIRE STATION REMODEL, STARTING THE FIRE TRAINING GROUND UPDATES COME UPDATE ON EMS EQUIPMENT WHICH AGAIN IF WE LOOK AT SOME OF OUR STATISTICS, THEY ARE VERY HIGH.

EXCUSE ME. OUR CARDIAC ARREST RESPONSES AND RETURN OF SPONTANEOUS CIRCULATION IS EXTREMELY HIGH NEARLY 50% AND AS WE LOOK HISTORICALLY SINCE WE STARTED TO PUT SOME OF THIS EMS EQUIPMENT IN PLACE WE SEE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND IT IS IN LIFE SAFETY. UPDATING FIREFIGHTING NOZZLES WHICH WE HAVE NOT DONE HOLISTICALLY IN 20 YEARS AND KICKED OFF A TWO-YEAR PERSONNEL DEVELOPMENT YOU WILL SEE IN TREND COST WITH A NEW TECHNICAL SUPPORT UNIT REPLACING A FIRE TRUCK THAT WAS NEARLY 30 YEARS OLD. PERSONAL SERVICES. CURRENTLY, WE ARE AT 170 SWORN, 12 PROFESSIONAL STAFF, FIVE PART-TIME. WE ARE DOWN 12 CURRENTLY SO THAT IS THROUGH SOME RETIREMENTS, MEDICAL RETIREMENT, DOES INCORPORATE ADDING THE FIFTH AMBULANCE ON THE WEST SIDE, AS YOU RECALL WE APPROPRIATED SOME DOLLARS THIS YEAR TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, WE DID NOT ADD ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF.

REALLY, WE NEED TO BE AROUND 182, FOR MINIMUM STAFFING AND YOU CAN SEE HIM TALKING ABOUT ADDING 18 POSITIONS AND THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT, I FEEL BY THE END OF 2026 WE NEED 40 ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, WE HAVE 13 LATERALS THAT STARTED YESTERDAY, WE ARE DOWN 12. I HAVE AT LEAST 12 RETIREMENTS IN 2026 THAT I KNOW OF THAT HAVE DECLARED SO THERE COULD BE OTHERS THAT WAKE UP AND SAY YOU KNOW I AM DONE. SO THERE IS THE CONCERN ABOUT THAT AND THOSE ARE FRONTLOADED IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, THOSE 12. WE HAVE ONE LEAVING AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO WITH THAT AND WE ALLOWED 10 OFF PER SHIFT AVERAGING FOUR OFF SICK PER DAY CENTER TO REAL PROPER STAFFING BECAUSE HONESTLY WE HAVE HAD SOME STRUGGLES THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR KEEPING ALL

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>> ABOUT THE LATERAL PROCESS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT UTILIZES THIS TO A GREAT DEAL, FORMERLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS AN, OUR PROCESS TAKES ABOUT 12 MONTHS TO GET SOMEONE IN THE ACADEMY AND SIX MONTHS FROM THERE SO A YEAR AND A HALF BEFORE WE GET PEOPLE ON THE STREET, LOOKING AT VACANCIES AND THE NUMBER OF FOLKS RETIRING THERE WAS NO WAY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP UP. SO, LOOKING TO DO SOME TYPE OF LATERAL PROCESS, THE FIRST TIME WE DID IT WE CAME TOGETHER STARTING IN MAY WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS, 70 APPLIED AND WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS IN CLASS STARTING YESTERDAY MINIMUM TWO YEARS AND THE PENSION FUND SO THEY HAD TO BE MINIMUM OF TWO YEARS IN THE 77 PENSION FUND AND WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE 16, 17, 18 YEAR VETERANS. TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHY THEY WANT TO COME TO CARMEL. THEY KNOW WHAT CARMEL WILL PROVIDE THEM AND ALSO THEY ARE BRINGING , THEY WILL BE IN CLASS ABOUT SIX WEEKS. WE CALL THAT ORIENTATION, I CALL THAT INDOCTRINATION TO THE WAY WE DO THINGS IN THE CITY. NOW WE WILL GET THOSE INDIVIDUALS ON THE STREET AND HELP WITH STAFFING THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR INTO THE FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR AND WE WILL START TO SEE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RETIREMENTS , AT THAT POINT AND HOPE TO BRING THOSE FOLKS TO YOU LATER IN OCTOBER.

>> OVERTIME. ZACH AND I AND OUR TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY ON FIGURING OUT OUR OVERTIME COST. YOU WILL SEE 2026 OVERTIME, 570,000, COULD BE SHOCKING TO SEE THAT WHEN WE ARE ON PACE FOR 5.2 MILLION. AGAIN THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE NEED TO HIRE ADDITIONAL STAFFING. SO WE ARE SEEING A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED IN TAKING OVERTIME. SOME FOLKS ARE WORKING 72, 96 HOURS STRAIGHT , AT SOME POINT THAT'S GOING TO BREAK THEM. WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO DO THAT TO CONTINUE TO PUT PEOPLE ON TRUCKS SO WE THINK ADDITIONAL STAFFING, WE KNOW FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING SOME SIGNIFICANT OVERTIME COST, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT MOVING 1.5 MILLION FROM 20 $25 AND A ZACH CAN EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE MORE.

1.5 IN 20 1.5 IN 2025 1.5 IN 20 $25 WE WANT TO MOVE INTO 26 SO ULTIMATELY WE WILL BE FUNDING AROUND $2 MILLION . WHAT I FEEL IS ONCE WE HAVE RECRUITS BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE 25 RECRUITS STARTING IN JANUARY. ONCE THEY ARE ABLE TO GRADUATE AND HIT THE STREET, THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR BARRING ANY UNFORESEEN MEDICAL RETIREMENTS OR OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT DECIDE TO RETIRE SHOULD BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE TO COVER VACATION DAYS AND SICK TIME. NEXT SLIDE . COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION PROGRAM, THIS IS OUR SAFE HOUSE PROGRAM THIS IS MR. CARMEL JOHN MORIARTY. OUT AROUND AT EVERY EVENT BUT WE HAVE MADE A LITTLE BIT OF A REDUCTION HERE WE HAVE CREATED A FOUNDATION, WORKING ON FUNDING TO MAKE CERTAINLY THE SAFE HOUSE PROGRAM SUSTAINABLE WITH SMALLER OR EVENTUALLY NO TAX DOLLARS SO THAT IS FUNDING ITSELF THROUGH SOLID PROGRAMS AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE SUCCESS. THAT IS, WE ARE FINISHING UP THE INSTALL OF OUR

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SPECIAL PROGRAMS THIS IS THE HONOR GUARD, THEY HAD A BUSY WEEK LAST WEEK WITH 9/11. WE HAD PUBLIC SAFETY MEDICAL AND DR.

STEVEN MOFFAT WHO FOUND THAT IN 1990 HAS SAVED THE LIVES OF COUNTLESS POLICE AND FIREFIGHTERS AROUND THE STATE, HE PASSED AWAY, HIS DAUGHTER LIVES IN CARMEL. ASKED OUR TEAM TO SUPPORT HER AND HER FAMILY DURING FUNERAL SERVICES SO THE HONOR GUARD STEPPED UP WHICH WE HAD CARMEL POLICE INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL AND WE HAD A RETIREE PASS AWAY SO WE HAD A FUNERAL ON SATURDAY. THEY DON'T TO SHOW UP DAY OF THE EVENT LIKE THE 9/11 MEMORIAL. BEAUTIFUL EVENT, A WAY TO REMEMBER THE LIVES LOST AND THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT STEPPED IN THE GAPS THAT THEY IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO PUT THAT TOGETHER. AND A FUNERAL REQUEST AND NOT ONLY DO THEY HELP AT THE LOCAL LEVEL BUT THEY REPRESENT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL AND THIS WEEK MEMBERS OF THE TEAM WILL BE IN COLORADO SPRINGS AT THE IAF MEMORIAL REPRESENTING THE CITY OF CARMEL. NEXT HIRING RECRUITS AND PROMOTIONS ALL ABOUT GETTING FOLKS READY TO HIT THE STREETS AFTER THE SIX-MONTH RECRUIT PROGRAM, 2025 RECRUIT CLASS OF 13, 2026 WE ARE PUSHING FOR A RECRUIT CLASS OF 25. AND SO WE HAVE INCREASED EXPENSES WITH PPE , THE TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT THAT GOES TO OUTFIT AN ONBOARD THESE INDIVIDUALS. HEALTH AND SAFETY PROGRAM, WE DO HAVE INCREASED DOLLARS FOR MENTAL HEALTH. IN THE YEAR I HAVE BEEN HERE, WE HAVE HAD , AS I CAME IN WE HAD A INDIVIDUAL MEDICALLY RETIRE WITH THREE ADDITIONAL FOLKS MEDICALLY RETIRE FROM PTSD IN THIS JOB SO WE HAVE TAKEN ONE OF THE LINE ITEMS FROM 10,000 TO 30,000 NOW TAKING IT TO 60,000 IN THIS. NOT JUST AVAILABLE FOR FIREFIGHTERS, ALL PERSONNEL ARE AVAILABLE FOR THIS SERVICE. YOU HEARD OUR HR DIRECTOR TALK ABOUT A NEW PROGRAM THAT MAY BE FORTHCOMING THAT WE ARE EXCITED

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BUILDINGS ARE AGING, IN USE 24/7, 365. APPARATUS ARE AGING.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE TRUCKS ON ORDER, THREE ENGINES AND ONE LADDER ON ORDER DEPENDING ON HOW WELL I DO I MAY OR MAY NOT SEE THOSE TRUCKS EVER DELIVERED. WE NEED TWO ADDITIONAL ENGINES AND ANOTHER LADDER TO BE ORDERED IN 26. A THREE OR FOUR YEAR BUILD TIME AND THE COSTS ARE CONTINUING TO SKYROCKET. I WILL SAY CARMEL CLAY AND HER WORK , SENATOR BANKS, THERE WAS A SENATE HEARING SEPTEMBER 10 ON THE EVE OF SEPTEMBER 11, SENATOR HOLLY FROM MISSOURI HAD A SENATE HEARING WHERE YOU HAD THE FIRE CHIEF, THE PRESIDENT OF THE IFF AND TWO APPARATUS MANUFACTURING COMPANIES AND THEY GRILLED HIM PRETTY HARD ON WHILE THEIR REVENUES ARE GROWING EXPONENTIALLY IN THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS , WHILE ONE OF THE CEOS OF THE APPARATUS COMPANY MAKES $6 MILLION A YEAR THEY CANNOT GET TRUCKS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND IT IS A NATIONAL PROBLEM, NOT TRYING TO BE OVERLY DRAMATIC BUT I THINK IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY PROBLEM. IT IS BEING ADDRESSED SO WE DO SEE THE COST INCREASE HERE. ENGINE 346 HAS BEEN OUT OF SERVICE NEARLY 4 MONTHS AS WE STRUGGLE TO WORK WITH A ENGINE COMPANY TO GET AN ENGINE TO REPLACE THAT TRUCK. IT IS RIDICULOUS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH AND THAT WAS $50,000 FOR THE REPAIR SO WE HAVE HAD ONE COMPANY, ENGINE 346 WHICH IS VERY BUSY . LIEUTENANT SUTTON IN THE BACK WILL TELL YOU THAT HE IS TRYING TO FIND TIME FOR DOWNTIME OCCASIONALLY. OUT OF SERVICE NEARLY 4 MONTHS. SO WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN BE BETTER AROUND THE COUNTRY WITH THIS, BUT WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE INCREASED COST. CURRENTLY WE HAVE SIX FIRE STATIONS, TRAINING CENTER AND HEADQUARTER. SIX PUMPERS, FIVE LADDER TRUCKS AND WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE THIS IN RESERVE THANK GOODNESS. IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN IN SOME OTHER ORGANIZATION, THERE DOWN A TRUCK AND THEY HAVE TO BEG BORROW AND STEAL FROM SOMEONE ELSE SO THIS IS ANOTHER LINE ITEM WE ARE TAKING SERIOUSLY WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SOME BUILDING PROJECTS. YOU MAY ASK A LITTLE BIT LATER ABOUT WHERE WE MADE CUTS. SOME OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS WE'VE HAD TO KICK DOWN THE ROAD WITH SOME HIGH-PRIORITY ITEMS , GENERATOR REPAIR FOR INSTANCE, WE ARE LOOKING AT AND ZACH CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS, 158,000 SOME TYPE OF CAPITAL LEASE A FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL LEASE TO FUND SOME HIGH-PRIORITY PROJECTS IN 2026 THERE . NEXT SLIDE, RISK MANAGEMENT. THIS IS COMING IN AND WORKING WITH THE MAYOR AND OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, TAKING A HOLISTIC LOOK AT OSHA PRACTICES AND PRINCIPLES, GENERAL HYGIENE AROUND THE CITY SO I THINK MAYBE THIS IS SPREAD OVER A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BUDGETS. TO COME TAKE A CLOSER LOOK WORKING WITH UTILITIES AND STREETS . MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE UP TO DATE ON REQUIRED TRAININGS AND MAKING SURE ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE SAFE AND OPERATING IN A SAFE MANNER SO WE HAVE ADDED SOME DOLLARS. I DON'T KNOW THAT HAS HAPPENED HERE TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE SO IT'S PROBABLY TIME FOR A GOOD AUDIT REVIEW OF THOSE PRACTICES. NEXT IS TRAINING AND TRAVEL COSTS. AGAIN YOU'LL SEE

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>> THAT WAS SIMILAR APPROPRIATION ASSUMED CURRENT YEAR , BUT I DON'T THINK WE ENDED UP PAYING FOR THAT

EMPLOYEE? >> SO WE MOVED OUR HEALTH PARAMEDIC TO THE OPIOID FUND. ADDITIONALLY, ONE PART-TIME MEMBER TO HELP WITH MIH DUTIES AND IT IS MENTAL HEALTH A PART-TIME MENTAL HEALTH, POLICE HAVE A STRONG MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM. WE WORK WITH HANNAH AND SOME OF THE TEAM OVER THERE. I WANT TO COLLABORATE, BUT I ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR THE TEAM SO WE HAVE A PART-TIME POSITION WE WILL FUND OUT OF THE OPIOID DOLLARS, AS WELL AND HAZARD MATERIALS FUND TO UPDATE SOME HAZARDOUS MATERIALS DETECT ERRORS. GENERAL FUND SUMMARY. WE ARE UP I THINK INCREASE OF 10% OVERALL SO IT IS 9% IN PERSONNEL SERVICES. FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. AND WITH

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>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR A THOROUGH PRESENTATION. WOULD YOU LIKE TO START OFF? YOU LIKE TO START OFF SOMETIMES. WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? SO, I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT , FOR THIS YEAR WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE I DON'T SEE THINGS TO BE CUT AND 27 , LOOKING AHEAD WHAT ARE THE THINGS, HOW WILL WE HANDLE THAT? I KNOW IT IS ONE YEAR AWAY, BUT WHAT ARE THE ITEMS WE NEED BUT COULD BE LOOKED AT FOR 27?

>> WELL , YOU KNOW I THINK SOME TOUGH DECISIONS. IF THERE ARE NOT SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES MADE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE. BECAUSE WE ARE 90% PEOPLE AND PEOPLE IS OUR PRODUCT THAT WE DELIVER EACH AND EVERY DAY. SO WHILE WE LOOK AT OFFICE SUPPLIES AND REALLY SHREDDING NO PUN INTENDED A LOT OF OTHER ASPECTS THERE WILL BE DIFFICULT DECISIONS MADE CITYWIDE. BUT WE WILL LOOK AT SOME OTHER BENEFITS SOME FRINGE THINGS MAY NEED TO BE DISCUSSED, COMMUNITY RELATIONS, WE HAVE AND I HAVE TALKED WITH A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS, I HAVE MEETINGS SET UP WITH FOLKS AS THEY COME THROUGH AND SEE THINGS THEY SAY HOW CAN I CONTRIBUTE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? AREAS THROUGH MY COMPANY, PERSONAL DONATIONS AND REALLY IT'S GOING TO OUR COMMUNITY RELATIONS PROGRAM SAFE HOUSE AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS AND WE'RE GETTING INTO EQUIPMENT AND PEOPLE AND THAT SOMETHING WE CANNOT GET INTO OUR BUILDINGS ARE AGING AND APPARATUS ARE AGING. WE ARE LOOKING AT 24 RETIREMENTS OVER THE NEXT 18 MONTHS. SO IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH. CERTAINLY , REDUCING , YOU KNOW LOOK AT WHAT IS CRITICAL TO THE MISSION AND HAVING DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CERTAIN PROGRAMS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE , WE ARE OUTSOURCING EMS BILLING IN 2026 , SOMETHING I'VE DISCUSSED WITH BILLING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW SO, THERE'S THREE POSITIONS THAT IS OUT OF OUR BUDGET IN 26, GOING WITH A THIRD-PARTY COMPANY THERE. SO, NOT FUN DECISIONS, VERY DIFFICULT INVOLVING PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THEIR VERY BEST SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND SOMETHING ELSE. I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER OTHER THAN CONTINUING TO CHIP OFF THINGS THAT WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE MISSION WE WILL HAVE TO REDUCE.

>> I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TO THAT, BUT KEEP US UPDATED EVEN BEFORE THEN BECAUSE OUR HOPE IS AS THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION STARTS NEXT YEAR, WHILE THEY MAY MAKE NO CHANGES TO THE BILL WE WANT TO MAKE A PITCH TO LEGISLATORS TO LET THEM KNOW WE HAVE CUT SO MUCH AND IF THERE ARE NOT CHANGES BEING MADE, HE WOULD BE THE CONSEQUENCES AND THE REAL CONSEQUENCES THAT A CITY LIKE OURS WOULD SEE. MAYBE THEY WILL LISTEN, WE WILL SEE.

COUNCILOR MINNAAR AND COUNCILOR WORRELL AND THEN COUNCILOR

SNYDER. >> THANK YOU CHIEF, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TOUCHED ON WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT EDUCATION. CLEARLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPONENTS OF WHAT YOU DO WITHIN YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS YOUR EDUCATION PIECE OF IT FOR NOT JUST THE LITTLE ONES, BUT FOR ELDERLY AND YOUNG PEOPLE, WHO HAVE NEVER OWNED A HOME BEFORE AND AFTER CHANGING FILTER, THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FILTER IS OR THAT TYPE OF THING. I KNOW IT IS A REALLY TOUGH JOB AND A DIFFICULT POSITION TO BE IN. I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I WANTED TO THROW IT OUT TO YOU THAT I THINK IT IS CRITICAL FOR THE EDUCATION PIECE.

>> WHAT WAS REDUCED WITH SOME OF THE THINGS WE PASS OUT. I JOKE I THINK EVERY CITIZEN IN CARMEL HAS THREE RED FIRE HELMETS IN

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MOST EFFICIENT WAY POSSIBLE? >> HAVE YOU HAD ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK ON EMS FIRE TO THE NEW LEGISLATION THAT WE WILL POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IN A YEAR AND CHANGE? DOES ANYBODY

KNOW? >> YEAH, YOU KNOW , I HAVE SOME INFLUENCE AND DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER LEGISLATORS AROUND THE STATE AND WHAT ARE SOME HOT TOPICS AND WITH FIRE CHIEFS AND THAT IS SOMETHING , CONTINUED DIALOGUE WITH THE COUNTY FROM THAT POINT FORWARD WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE COUNTY LEVEL, YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE. MY CONCERN IS THERE IS TWO LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO A POTENTIAL VOTE SO WHAT CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE IN STORE? I THINK I CANNOT EVEN LOOK DOWN THE ROAD THAT FAR BECAUSE SOME THINGS MAY CHANGE BEFORE THAT DECISION GETS TO US SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.

>> COUNCILOR WORRELL. >> THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

CHIEF, WELL DONE AND THANK YOU TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE US. IT IS AMAZING, CARMEL HAS A RICH HISTORY OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BEING JUST OVERLY ACTIVE , IN CARING ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST PUTTING OUT THE FIRE, BUT SO MANY OTHER THINGS AND I HAVE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED THAT AND I AM GRATEFUL. TALKING ABOUT THE CHAPSTICK I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN A REQUEST FOR MORE FIRE BLANKETS AND MAYBE YOU HAVE THEM, BUT THAT WAS SO USEFUL. I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU HAVE HEARD OF ANYONE SAYING THEY USED IT AND IT SAVED THE HOUSE FROM CATCHING ON FIRE. TO ME, WHAT A THING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO HAND OUT

WAS A FIRE BLANKET. >> WE HAVE HEARD SUCCESS STORIES, JOHN COULD SHARE THAT. WE HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE. WHEN PEOPLE REQUEST THAT JOHN TAKES THE INFORMATION AND ENSURES THEY

GET THAT. >> I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT INEXPENSIVE, SO I WANTED AND I HOPE I DID NOT MISS THIS, BUT CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT ON HOW THE SAFE HOUSE IS GOING, HOW IT IS BEING MANNED. HER KIDS USING IT, WHERE ARE WE

ON ALL OF THAT? >> A LOT OF PROGRAMS HAVE COME THROUGH, WE CONTINUE TO DO SOME RENOVATIONS AND ADDITIONAL WORK WITH BLOCK HOUSE AND THE LIFT HAS BEEN THE BIG CHALLENGE , TRYING TO GET THAT INSTALLED LAST YEAR. CHIEF RAY, THE COMPANY RESELECTED NEVER CAME THROUGH , THERE WAS A LOT OF EXCUSES AROUND WHY THEY COULD NOT GET IT INSTALLED, WE CUT TIES AND WHEN WITH ANOTHER COMPANY AND THEY WERE FANTASTIC, IT'S NEARLY COMPLETE, THEY ARE TRIMMING IT OUT RIGHT NOW AND THAT WAS THE LAST PIECE FOR THE SCHOOLS TO START COMING.

>> SO ARE WE BACKFILLING WITH THE OLD WAY WE USED TO DO IT OVER THOSE KIDS NOT GETTING THAT?

>> THEY HAVE BEEN THERE, THIS SUMMER WE HAVE THE BUCKET BRIGADE TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY WE HAVE PROGRAMS WE HAVE HOSTED A NUMBER OF EVENTS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT AGAIN WITH OUR YOUNGER KIDS BUT WE RECENTLY MET WITH SCHOOLS TO TALK ABOUT AND I KNOW YOU'RE DISCUSSING THIS, BUT EBIKE'S TEAMING UP WITH THE

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>> YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED? OR GETTING THERE

>> AS WE GROW THAT PROGRAM WE WANT TO CONVERT PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME EVERY FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT COMES THROUGH , YOU KNOW WE HAVE OTHERS VISIT FIRE HEADQUARTERS AS THEY LOOK TO BUILD ONE AC THAT AND THEY ARE AMAZED AND OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS WANT TO BRING THEIR KIDS SO WE WILL ADD STAFFING AND

WORK THROUGH. >> I WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO COUNCILOR SNYDER WHO WAS EXTREMELY INVOLVED IN THAT, CAN YOU GIVE A SENSE OR TWO? I AM TOLD IT IS A UNIQUE FACILITY, MAYBE NOTHING ELSE LIKE IT IN INDIANA BUT I DON'T WANT TO

OVER EXAGGERATE. >> I DON'T THINK YOU ARE AND I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TRAVEL EXTENSIVELY, INDIANAPOLIS HAS A PROGRAM, BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS REALLY SECOND TO NONE. THE INTERACTIVITY. ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF FIRE SAFETY AND THEN WORKING WITH I THINK OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY . WE HAVE A LOT OF FALLS SO HOW CAN WE REDUCE THE FALLS AND WORKING ON PUBLIC

EDUCATION ASPECTS. >> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR

YOUR SERVICE. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER.

>> HEY, CHIEF. OKAY THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY IS I KEEP SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER TO ANYBODY THAT WILL LISTEN. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE SAFE HOUSE WITHOUT THE NAME IN FRONT OF IT, WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED, THEY MADE THE DONATION AND NEEDS TO SAY SAFE AND SAFE HOUSE THEY HAVE DONATED A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THAT AND MILLIONS OVER THE YEARS TO FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR FIRE SERVICE, VOLUNTEERS, CONSTANTLY IT NEEDS TO SAY COURSE AND SAFE HOUSE , NOT ONLY IS IT THE RIGHT THING IT IS THE CONTRACTUAL THING TO DO IN THE AGREEMENT WE GAVE TO THE FAMILY.

>> THAT IS MY APOLOGIES, I MISSPOKE.

>> IT IS NOWHERE ON THE STICKERS OR COMPUTERS, ALL THE BRANDING AND NOTHING SAYS IT. THAT FAMILY HAS DONE MORE FOR CARMEL , I WOULD PUT THEM IN THE TOP 10. ANYWAY. THE AMBULANCE FUND. THE DATA THAT CONSUMES MOST OF IT, WHAT IS THAT PAYING OFF?

>> LET ME PULL SOME OF THAT UP. ONE MORE SLIDE.

>> THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL. SO, THOSE ARE THE , THE LEASE OBLIGATIONS. AND COULD POINT AGAIN , THE TIME TO PURCHASE GRIEVANCES INCREASED DRAMATICALLY 0C WE CAN TURN THAT AROUND QUICKER AT A REDUCED COST, GETTING READY TO BE FINISHED UP AND WE WILL BE SENDING ANOTHER ONE FOR THAT.

>> WHAT IS THE AV PACKAGE? >> I THINK THAT IS THROUGH, YEAH. ALL AUDIOVISUAL FOR FIRE NETWORKS.

>> AND THE FURNITURE? >> AGAIN FOR FIRE HEADQUARTERS.

>> THIS FUND HAS DRIFTED SO FAR FROM ITS ORIGINAL INTENT . I TOLD THIS STORY BEFORE, I REMEMBER WHEN CALLAHAN TALKED ABOUT CREATING THIS WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM BUYING , THE FIRE TRUCKS YOU NEEDED WHEN THE AMBULANCE FUND WAS NEEDED WAS USED FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE . AND I AM JUST SO DISAPPOINTED. AND THIS IS NOT YOU, CHIEF. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE. BUT I MEAN ZACH , WHEN YOU LOOK AT PAYING OFF

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>> GREAT POINTS, I WOULD SAY THE ISSUES AS FAR AS PURCHASING AMBULANCES IS NOT AT ALL I BELIEVE DUE TO OUR LACK OF RESOURCES. WE HAVE PLENTY OF DOLLARS TO PURCHASE AMBULANCES, IT IS JUST THE LEADTIME AND THE COST CONTINUE TO GO UP, THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WAS $2 MILLION BEFORE COVID AND USEFULF THAT APPARATUS.

>> HAVE YOU ASKED CHIEF CALLAHAN TO BUY THE TRUCK YET, HAVE YOU

ASKED THE TOWNSHIP? >> WE HAVE A MEETING LATER THIS WEEK WITH THE TRUSTEE. LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROJECTS. THAT WE

COULD PARTNER WITH THEM ON. >> HAVE YOU ASKED HIM TO BUY THE

FIRE TRUCK? >> NO I HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY

ASKED HIM TO BUY THE FIRE TRUCK. >> FINALLY AND I'M SURE YOU GOT A HEADS UP FROM THE POLICE CHIEF, BUT YOU SAY PEOPLE IS OUR PRODUCT. AT WHAT POINT DO YOU SEPARATE CFD BETWEEN SWORN OFFICERS AND FACILITY CIVILIANS , BECAUSE I WILL ADMIT PROBABLY SHOULD'VE LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE SALARY WHEN WE DID SALARIES INCREASE LAST YEAR BUT I DID NOT BECAUSE I WAS TOLD CFD WAS GETTING THESE RAISES AND THEY DIDN'T, I MEAN THE CIVILIANS THE SAME, WE HAVE SEEN A

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>>> I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD PUT A CAP ON IT BUT IT IS CERTAINLY A STOPGAPMEASURE.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING I ANTICIPATE HAVING TO DO EVERY YEAR. IF WE CAN GET AHEAD OF THE RETIREMENTS AND OUR OPEN POSITIONS AND WE NEED TO SHRINK OUR, THE TIME TO PROCESS THROUGH AND TO GET TO OUR ACADEMY, WE NEED TO SHRINK BY HALF AT LEAST, THAT'S GOING TO HELP SO IF WE START THE PROCESS IN JULY, IN JANUARY IN THE ACADEMY AND OUT SIX MONTHS WE HAVE REDUCED SIX MONTHS SO WE CONTINUE THAT TO STAY IN FRONT OF IT. IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE

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>> >> I WANT TO HELP YOU WORK

THROUGH THAT. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE RELATIONSHIP FOR MY OWN REEDUCATION. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE FIRE CHIEF BECAUSE AND WHEN THE FIRE MARSHAL LEARNS OF NEW UPDATES TO VARIOUS FIRE SAFETY THINGS ARE THEY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY? I WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I READ THROUGH NOTES ON MOST PROJECTS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. I AM STARTING TO SEE COMMENTS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND I HAVE SEEN , FROM THE ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE , THEY SEEM STOUT SO

WHAT IS THAT RELATIONSHIP? >> IT IS A STRONG RELATIONSHIP.

AGAIN I WOULD ARGUE I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE EDUCATING OTHER FIRE CHIEFS MAY NOT HAVE ON THE STATE AND PROBABLY SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU HAVE SEEN IS BECAUSE OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL AND PLAN REVIEW TO DO THAT TO INCLUDE THOSE COMMENTS MAKING SURE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE SAFE NOT ONLY FOR THE TENANTS AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN HE TALKED TO ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS THEY ARE BUILDING THAT OR DRAWINGS ASSUME THAT FIRE PROTECTION IS WORKING AS IT SHOULD AND OCCUPANTS ARE LEAVING AND WE SAY WE ARE PUTTING POTENTIALLY 50 INDIVIDUALS INTO THAT, OKAY THAT'S WHERE THE CHANGE IS FOR THEM. SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION POINT TO HAVE WITH ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS AND I KNOW OUR TEAM HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THAT AND WE KNOW THERE IS CODE WHICH IS BASICALLY THE LAW WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY, THERE ARE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOT ENFORCED, CANNOT MAKE THEM DO THAT BUT IT IS A DISCUSSION POINT TO HAVE SO TODAY WORKING WITH ONE OF OUR COMPANIES, INJURED FROM THE TORNADO THEY HAD VACATED THEIR BUILDING AS THEY WORK TO DO SOME RENOVATIONS AND WE HAVE BEEN WITH THEM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY HELPING THEM AS THEY LOOK TO TERMINATE SOME FIRE PROTECTION WHILE THE RESTORE THE ENTIRE BUILDING. SO, HAD A IMPROMPTU MEETING WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL THIS MORNING, BUT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE READING FROM THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC.

>> COUNCILOR JOSHI AND COUNCILOR LOCKE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH CHIEF FOR BEING HERE AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO FROM FIRE AND EMS AND ALL THE SERVICES WE HAVE FOR THE CITY. A QUESTION ON ONE OF OUR LINE ITEMS, THE SUBSCRIPTIONS WHICH I KNOW YOU DO TOUCH ON CAN YOU BREAK IT DOWN FOR ME THE 244,000 SUBSCRIPTION SOFTWARE HOW MUCH OF THAT IS REQUIRED FIRE REPORTING THAT YOU REFERENCED AND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS OTHER STUFF IF YOU CAN HELP ME TO

UNDERSTAND THAT. >> THAT WAS, SO THOSE ARE , I CAN BREAK DOWN SO WE'RE MOVING, CONSOLIDATING FIRE REPORTING AND FIRE RESPONSE INTO ONE SOFTWARE THAT HAS MULTIPLE MODULES SO THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF THAT. AND THEN EMS REPORTING SOFTWARE IS SEPARATE , WE USE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR MOBILE INTEGRATED HELP, IT'S A WAY OF SHARING PROTECTED INFORMATION BUT THESE ARE ALL PART OF OUR , WE ARE LOOKING TO MOVE TO AN ONLINE EMS CERTIFICATION PROGRAM 26 EMS QUALITY ASSURANCE PROGRAM WITH TARGET SAFETY TRAINING, CHECK IT IS A PROGRAM WE USE PERSON IN SOME OF YOUR OTHER DISCUSSIONS YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WHAT'S THE NEW PROGRAM WITH THE STREETS DEPARTMENT? THE GEO TAB SO MAYBE A COLLABORATION THERE THAT WE WILL LOOK AT WITH MAINTENANCE AND THEY HAVE ALREADY AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MOVE BACK TO IT FROM A CITY WIDE PERSPECTIVE.

NUMEROUS PROGRAMS WE USE EVERY DAY SPECIFIC TO THE DEPARTMENT.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

>> I WAS LOOKING FOR MORE OF A BREAKDOWN SO I COULD UNDERSTAND

IT, NOT FOR ANY OTHER REASON. >> IT IS HAND HEAVY WHICH IS A

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>> YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT THIS MINUTE JUST SEND THAT TO ME AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT. THAT IS ALL.

>> COUNCILOR LOCKE. >> SO I HAVE BEEN ASKING EVERYBODY WHAT THEY ARE EXCITED ABOUT AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU ARE EXCITED ABOUT AND I HAVE SOME THINGS I AM EXCITED ABOUT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE FUTURE WE NEED TO GO INTO WHICH I'M NOT SUPER EXCITED ABOUT BASED ON THIS BUDGET BUT I'M STILL EXCITED ABOUT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR

WHAT YOU ARE EXCITED ABOUT. >> WELL I THINK CERTAINY BUILDING PROJECTS. KICKED OFF A LITTLE SLOWER THAN I WOULD HAVE LIKED, BUT I THINK WE ARE GOING TO FACE THE BUILDOUT AT STATION 45 WITH INDIVIDUAL BUNKS. GETTING THOSE ALERTED SEPARATELY FOR THE ENGINE, THE LADDER, SAFETY AND AMBULANCE THERE. I AM EXCITED FOR OUR TRAINING GROUND IMPROVEMENTS. I KNOW WE HAVE COUNTYWIDE TRAINING GROUND AND THAT IS KICKED OFF, BUT WHAT WE NEED HERE, WE SEE A LOT MORE BUILDINGS FOUR OR FIVE PLUS STORIES, PARKING GARAGE IS WRAPPED IN CONDOMINIUMS, TOWNHOMES AND APARTMENTS, A COMPLEX RESPONSE FOR THE TEAM SO I THINK WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS TO RE-CREATE THAT AT THE TRAINING GROUND, POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE ABLE TO USE IT AS WELL FOR RESPONSES AND SOME COLLABORATION BETWEEN BOTH OF US. FOR SOME OF THE NEW EQUIPMENT AND WE HAVE SOME EXCITING TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES COMING UP, AS WELL THAT I THINK WILL TAKE THE DEPARTMENT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

>> LOVE IT, I LOVE, THE TENOR OF THE REST OF MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS WILL BE RELATED TO SETTING THE FOUNDATION FOR THIS DEPARTMENT TO SERVE THE CITY THE WAY IT HAS TO AND WITH CHANGES DOWNTOWN AND THE PIVOTS THE BEAUTIFUL THING WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE IS ENSURE PEOPLE ARE TRAINED TO SERVE THE CITY IN A WAY THAT THEY ARE ALL PART OF THAT TEAM. WHICH I LOVE THAT'S THE EXCITEMENT YOU'VE GOT, WE CONTINUE TO BUILD A CULTURE THAT MATTERS FOR WHAT WE ARE DOING. THE OVERARCHING THRESHOLD QUESTION FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS OR LESS 20 OF THE SEVEN FIRE STATION. THE IDEA WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE OUR CITY BASED ON GROWTH AND WHERE WE ARE AND YOUR PEOPLE, SWORN OR NOT OR IN A POSITION TO DO THAT IN A SAFE AND SECURE WAY SO THEY STAY EMPLOYED AND STAY AT THE TOP OF THEIR GAME, WE DON'T LOSE THEM IS THEY SAVE PEOPLE FROM GETTING LOST AND THAT GETS TO THE PERSONAL ISSUE. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PERSONAL SLIDE THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START ON MY QUESTIONS AS WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND BASELINE FOR THE PUBLIC WATCHING, THIS IS THE BUDGET WITH THE MOST INCREASE ON PERSONNEL AND PART OF THAT IS WE PASSED THE OR NEGOTIATED CONTRACTS WITH POLICE AND FIRE UNIONS INCREASING PAY WHERE POLICE ADS AS THEY NEED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS TIED TO THE OPERATIONS AND WE CAN PUT INTO DUTY TO DO THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO ENSURING WE HAVE THE RIGHT COVERAGE ON THOSE DEVICES TO KEEP FIREFIGHTERS SAFE IS ONE OF THE TOP GOALS AND THE OTHER SIDE IS WE HAVE ENOUGH DEVICES AND APPARATUSES AND INSTITUTIONS IN PLAY TO ENSURE THEY ARE NOT HAVING TO DRIVE 7 1/2 MINUTES IF THEY CAN GET THERE IN THREE AND BACK AND TAKING THAT OUT AND ABOUT SO WE CAN GET TO THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE PROTECTED. I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS EXPANSION. FIRST, CONVOCATION WITH 170 SWORN NOW WITH 12 VACANCIES AND LOOKING UP TO 200 WHAT IS TO 12?

>> THE TO 12 BECAUSE WE HAVE 12 RETIRING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND AGAIN WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE MAYOR ZACH AND KIERSTEN AND THE TEAM DID A GREAT JOB SO WE HAVE ONE IN JANUARY SO WHEN THAT FALLS OFF HOW MUCH DO WE NEED TO BE BUDGETING SO WE ARE NOT BUDGETING FOR 12 OVER THE COURSE OF THE ENTIRE YEAR SO WE ARE BEING VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT BUDGETING MONTH-TO-MONTH SO THOSE 12 WILL FALL OFF THIS YEAR SO WE WILL BE AT 200 AND THAT'S WHY GIVEN THE NUMBER WE ARE DOWN ALREADY, WITH THE FIRST RETIREMENTS AND THE NUMBER WE HAVE ON VACATION AND I FEEL WE NEED TO HAVE 40 ADDITIONAL AT THE END OF 26 AND TALKING WITH

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>> THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. AS WE ARE BUILDING THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THIS DEPARTMENT WHERE ARE WE MOVING TOWARD THAT? AND EVERYBODY KNOWS I LOVE TO RAIL ABOUT CAPITALISM OCCASIONALLY INTO THE MICROPHONE, THE CONCEPT WE HAVE CORPORATIONS AND SENATE HOLDING HOSTAGE THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF BUYING NEW APPARATUS IS A MASSIVE PROBLEM WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, SENATOR BANKS WILL LOOK TO DO THAT IMMEDIATELY AND BE THE HERO WE DESERVE IN THE SENATES. CONCEPTUALLY HOW DO WE START TO PUT THINGS INTO MOTION, TO YOUR POINT NONE OF US WERE HERE BUT WE NEED TO START THEM REGARDLESS IF WE GET THE WIN OR NOT BECAUSE THEY MATTER TO THE FUTURE OF THE INSTITUTION AND THE CITY HAS A WHOLE BECAUSE WE DON'T CAKE TAKE CARE OF THESE NEEDS THEN EVERYTHING ELSE GOES ON HOLD SO WE TALK ABOUT AUSTERITY, THIS BUDGET DOES NOT SEE A LOT AND IT NEVER WOULD BE, BUT WE TAKE AWAY FROM ALL THE OTHER THINGS HAPPENING WHEN WE DID NOT PREPARE OR PLAN IN ANY YEAR GETTING HARDER AND HARDER WE HAVE TO ADD THE FIRE STATION OR LOSE INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR HOMES ON THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE WE WENT DOWN ANOTHER BUCKET AND WE HAVE TO PAY MORE, WE PAY PRIVATE COMPANIES A TAX WE COULD OF STARTED. I WANT TO MAKE THE PLEA AGAIN, IF WE NEED A SEVENTH FIRE STATION FOR 20 YEARS, IF WE NEED A FIRE STATION FOR 11 YEARS WE ARE 30 YEARS BEHIND THE PLANNING PROCESS WHICH IS NOBODY'S FAULT HERE BUT LET'S NOT BE THE PROBLEM LET'S DO THE RIGHT THING NOW START THE PROCESS. TAKE THREE YEARS TO GET A BUILDING BUILT AND A TRUCK.

ADD IT TO THE FLOW BUT TO YOUR POINT THE GOAL HERE SEEMS TO BE TO SET UP SO WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION WHERE WE TAKE THE APPARATUS WE HAVE OFF-LINE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT MEETING SAFETY STANDARDS FOR EMPLOYEES AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, I LOVE THAT BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE OVERTIME ISSUE. OVERTIME PROBABLY USED ON THE EXTREME OF THE OTHER IN AN WHERE IT'S CHEAPER TO HAVE OVERTIME THAN IT IS TO HIRE SOMEBODY NEW AND GET THEM UP TO SPEED IS A TOOL THAT IS NECESSARY IN ITS BENEFIT FOR OUR SWORN WHO WANT TO TAKE IT WHO DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO.

TO SHOW UP AND WORK EXTRA TO GIVE MORE MONEY FOR THE FAMILIES TO PROVIDE MORE SERVICE TO THE CITY AND I WANT TO ENSURE WE ARE BALANCING THE TWO WITH CONDITIONAL STAFF NECESSARY TO FILL THE NEED WITH THE USE OF OVERTIME TO DO THAT IN THE RIGHT WAY WHICH IS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND A BENEFIT TO THE EMPLOYEES. ANY EXPANSION WERE HAVING PUTS US IN A POSITION BEING ABLE TO DO THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO NEXT BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO THAT WE WILL HAVE A HIT WE NEED 20 MILLION ONE YEAR AND AT EMPLOYEES AND WE KNOW IT'S HARD TO HIRE IF YOU'RE NOT ALREADY BUILDIN UP TO THAT OR STARTING THE PROCESS OF BUILDING UP TO IT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY VERY HARD TO DO IT WITHOUT CUTTING A TON OF OTHER STUFF ELSEWHERE EVEN IN GOOD FINANCIAL TIMES SO I SAY THAT THIS IS MY CALL TO ACTION ANNUAL CALL TO ACTION WERE EVERY TIME YOU ARE IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE I DO IT. HOW CAN WE START THE PROCESS NOW? HOW CAN WE LOOK AT IT AND BUILD THAT IN? KNOWING FULL WELL THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE AS WE TALK ABOUT 170 UP TO 200 FIREFIGHTERS, SOME OF WHICH ARE COOL WITH OVERTIME, SOME OF WHICH ARE NOT, SOME ARE BEHIND A DESK NOT AS READY AND ABLE TO GO HIT THE ROAD AND TAKE CARE PEOPLE IN A AMBULANCE WHICH IS GOOD OR BAD THAT'S THE WAY HUMANS WORK. HOW DO WE ENSURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON IN THE RIGHT SPOT TO TAKE CARE OF THE BASELINE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR TRUCKS ARE GETTING OUT AND CAN GET OUT NOW, PLUS HAVE ENOUGH TRUCKS IN PLACES AND I SAY THAT LIKE KROGER NORTH OF 104 SIXTH STREET IS COMING THE BUILDOUT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NORTH OF THE ROAD IS HAPPENING REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO. THAT IS A GLOBAL TREND AS LONG AS ALL WE ARE DOING IS SETTING THE BASELINE AND STICKING TO IT , THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL CHANGE AROUND US AND WE NEED TO BE PREPARE TO APPLY THE PROCESS TO THAT AND I

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>> ADDRESS ONE THING AND LET THE CHIEF ANSWER SOME THINGS YOU ADDRESSED. YOU DO PROPOSE WE BONDED FOR A SMALL AMOUNT COVERING THE DESIGN FOR STATION SEVEN SO THAT IS A STEP FORWARD IN THIS BUDGET FOR 2026. WANT TO ADDRESS THAT NOW HOW MUCH WE CAN BOND PERHAPS IS UP IN THE AIR BASED ON CHANGES TO CERTIFIED NET ASSESSED VALUE THAT HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY NOT DOING THE NUMBERS RIGHT BUT THAT IS THE ANTICIPATED FIRST USE. AS WELL

AS ANY DOLLARS TO HELP. >> YOU ARE SPOT ON. YOU ARE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR AND THAT'S ALL OF US. WE KNOW IT IS NEEDED, CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, I LOOK AT INCIDENTS AND FIRE THE OTHER NIGHT ARGUABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN STATION SEVEN FIRST, HALFWAY BETWEEN SIX AND TWO . OUR FOLKS DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF KNOCKDOWN, BUT I WORRY ABOUT THE INCIDENT HAPPENING A LITTLE FURTHER NORTHWEST. RIGHT? STATION SIX IS BUSY, COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE POINT OF STATION EIGHT. AND AGAIN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OTHER LANDOWNERS TO MAYBE DONATE SOME PROPERTY TO US FOR STATION EIGHT OR , YOU KNOW OR STATIONS IN THE RIGHT PLACE. TO YOUR POINT, WESTFIELD IS GETTING BUSIER. SO THEY, WE PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MUTUAL AID OUT OF THE CITY TO THE FISHERS AND CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS. WESTFIELD IS THE ONE THAT COMES INTO CARMEL QUITE A BIT, BUT THEY ARE GETTING BUSIER AND I THINK YOU KNOW LOOKING AT CHAD'S , CHAD'S DOCUMENT YOU KNOW I THINK WESTFIELD IS NOW RANKED THE SIXTH FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE UNITED STATES, SO THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE AND THEY DO HAVE THEIR OWN CHALLENGES TO WHERE WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RELY ON THEM TO BE THERE SOMETIME SECOND, THEY ARE THE SECOND TRUCK THERE ON OUR INCIDENTS. NOT TRYING TO SPREAD FEAR OR ANYTHING THAT IS FACT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. WE HAVE THE PROPERTY THERE AND WE HAVE A DESIGN READY TO GO THAT COULD REDUCE TIME AND COST. A SHOW BASICALLY. AND THEN IT IS A MATTER OF 12 TO 14 ADDITIONAL PEOPLE. WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A SAFE GRANT I KNOW AS SOON AS THE NEWS COMES IN , TO OUR ADMIN SOMEONE WILL BE COMING DOWN THE HALL HOPEFULLY THEY ARE RUNNING DOWN THE HALL TO SHARE GOOD NEWS THAT IS A LONG SHOT BECAUSE BACK TO MY COMMENTS EARLIER SOME OF THE FEDERAL DOLLARS ARE GOING DOWN IT'S THE PLAN OF NEEDING TO EXECUTE AND GET IT DONE.

>> I AGREE. THAT'S MY FRUSTRATION ON THE TOPIC. WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY FOR PEOPLE WHO GET TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE AND SAY THINGS OUT LOUD , I DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY OR POWER TO MAKE YOU GUYS DO ANYTHING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT. THAT BEING SAID WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE PEN TO PAPER ON HOW WE MOVE TOWARD GETTING THIS DONE

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PROBABLY OUR TRUCKS WILL GO TO WESTFIELD TO SUPPORT THEM IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY ARE BUILDING OUT INFRASTRUCTURE.

GAS STATIONS AND PARKING LOTS AND CALLS NORTH OF THE BORDER THAT WILL TAKE OUR TIME AND EFFORT AS NOW FARM COUNTRY, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PLAN ON THE OVERTIME , ON THE HIRING OF PEOPLE THAT IS LOOKING TO NOT JUST SUPPORT AND STRUCTURE THE THING NOW TO HUNKER DOWN BUT TO EXPAND TO WHERE WE ARE MOVING IN A DIRECTION THAT FULLY SUPPORT AND FULLY ENSURE FIREFIGHTERS ARE TAKEN CARE OF SO THE APPARATUS IS ARE PUT ON NIGHTS IF WE WERE TAKEN OFF-LINE IF THEY NEED TO DO THAT MORE OFTEN TO MAKE A STATEMENT OF WHY THEN WE DO THAT AND BRING IN THE RIGHT PATH TOWARD THAT GROWTH THAT'S NECESSARY TO WHERE WE ARE PUTTING THE RIGHT THINGS IN PLACE TO MAKE SEVENTH AND EIGHTH AND NINTH FIRE STATION. WHATEVER THOSE THINGS ARE ON THE TRAJECTORY CORRECTLY AND I SAY THAT , THE THING I'M STILL VERY EXCITED ABOUT HIS WE ARE IN A YES AND SPOT DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB WITH THIS DEPARTMENT, WITH WHAT WE DO ON THIS FRONT THAT WE CAN STILL CONTINUE GROWTH REGARDLESS OF THE NARRATIVE COMING FROM OTHER PLACES SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE. I DO KNOW WE HAVE THE BOND RECOMMENDATION WITH THE TWO THINGS ON IT. DESIGN IS GREAT THAT IS A GREAT FIRST STEP PUTTING US WHEN YOU'RE OUT FROM CONVERSATION OF A BUILD OR STRUCTURE BUT KNOWING WE ARE READY TO UNDERTAKE THAT AND I'M READY TO LOBBY THE REST OF THESE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THIS HAPPENS IN THE CORRECT TIMELINE IF THAT'S FASTER THAN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET CYCLE AGAIN TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

>> COUNCILOR LOCKE I KNOW WE HAD A MEETING TOWARD THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WITH THE FIRE CHIEF TO GO OVER NEEDS NOW, I KNOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND I CAN GET ANOTHER MEETING SCHEDULED FOR COUNCIL SO HAVE MORE THAN ONE HOUR TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE AND I CAN WORK WITH YOU TO GET THAT SCHEDULED.

>> THIS IS KIND OF THE STEP TOWARD THAT RIGHT? WHERE YOU CAN SEE 18 ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, THAT'S KIND OF OVERSTAFFED BECAUSE YES WE HAVE SOME MEN AND WOMEN WHO CAN WORK 96 HOURS AND PROVIDE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CARE, BUT AT SOME POINT THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE AND IT IS NOT RIGHT TO DO, WITHOUT COMPROMISING OUR INCREDIBLE STAFFING. AGAIN ONE OF THE FEW PLACES IN THE STATE THAT HAVE THE STAFFING WE DO AND OTHERS WOULD CHARGE YOU TO SAY YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT RIGHT? BUT DON'T ALLOW THEM TO INFLUENCE YOU IN THAT MANNER BECAUSE EVERY INDIVIDUAL MAKES A DIFFERENCE, ONE PERSON ON A TRUCK, THE AMBULANCE IS STAFFED WITH ONE PERSON ON A PUMPER. THESE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS ARE STARTING TO GET THERE. HELPING US GET THERE AND FOR A LONG TIME WE OVERSTAFFED IN AN ATTEMPT TO MANAGE THAT OVERTIME. WHEN PEOPLE SEE THE NUMBERS OF THOSE SALARIES OF THOSE MEN AND WOMEN , THEY ARE WORKING A LOT. I

CANNOT STRESS THAT ENOUGH. >> THAT IS A FLIP IN THE NARRATIVE SHIFT. I PERSONALLY AND ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT THAT IS NOT COOL WITH IT FROM THE PUBLIC, CALL ME AND WE CAN TALK LIKE BUT THE IDEA OF OVERTIME SALARY BEING SOMETHING WE MITIGATE BECAUSE OF THE MESSAGING OF TRANSPARENCY PORTAL

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OF THE CITY. >> NOT TO STIFLE CONVERSATION, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CALL A BREAK FOR LUNCH AND WE WILL BE BACK EXACTLY AT 1:00 SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHEN THEY NEED TO BE BACK PUTTING US 15 MINUTES AHEAD AND WILL GO THROUGH FINANCE, BROOKSHIRE, FINANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT. JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW

>>> OKAY WE'RE GOING TO START OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, FINANCE IS

UP, ZACH, TAKE IT AWAY. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR , TALKING WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT BUDGET'S THIS AFTERNOON. SO AGAIN WHAT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS ALL ABOUT IS ENSURING ACCOUNTABILITY, INTEGRITY, TRANSPARENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY IN MANAGING THE CITY OF CARMEL 'S FINANCES. ONE THING OF NOTE TO OUR BUDGET FOR THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY YEAR OVER YEAR, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY DUE TO MY ABILITIES TO GET OUR NUMBERS DOWN, WE WERE NO LONGER ABLE TO PUT THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX DOLLARS IN THE GENERAL FUND. I WAS TRYING TO IDENTIFY A FEW SOURCES WE COULD MOVE OVER TO PAY FOR, FROM THE FUNDING SOURCE WITHOUT MAKING SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS SPLIT, HALF DEPARTMENT PAY FROM THE GENERAL FUND, THE OTHER HALF FROM THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX FUND. WE ENDED UP MOVING ABOUT 2.5 MILLION RECURRING ANNUAL EXPENSE OUT OF THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT BUDGET TO THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX RELATED TO PROPERTY CASUALTY AUTO INSURANCE FOR THE CITY. THE 2.5 REPRESENTS BOTH THE COST OF THE CITY'S PREMIUMS , AS WELL AS A LITTLE BIT SET ASIDE FOR THE DEDUCTIBLES THAT WILL BE PAID THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. IN TERMS OF OUR SUCCESS, LAST YEAR WE WENT WITH ZERO-BASED BUDGETING, CONTINUED THAT THIS YEAR WHAT I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE ZERO FACE BUT I'M TRYING TO GET

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SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO HOW HR WAS DESCRIBING EARLIER WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME UPDATING FINANCIAL POLICY AS WELL AS THE CITY'S PURCHASING MANUAL PROCUREMENT MANUAL THAT WE REISSUED THIS YEAR, AS WELL. THAT WAS WITH A LOT OF HELP FROM CORPORATION COUNCIL OFFICE. OUR PERSONAL SERVICES SUMMARY FOR NEXT YEAR.

WE ARE REQUESTING A LITTLE OVER 1.6 MILLION FUNDING , SEVEN FULL-TIME STAFF AND TWO PART-TIME STAFF. I DO BELIEVE THIS REPRESENTS A SLIGHT INCREASE. AS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW MAC HAS 16 POSITIONS , EIGHT WOULD POTENTIALLY GO TO EXPERIENCE CARMEL. FOUR RETAINED AS THE SMALLER COMMS TEAM AND FOUR WOULD HAVE HOMES ON DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, WE WOULD BE PICKING UP ONE UNDER THIS SCENARIO THAT PRIMARILY SERVES AS THE FINANCIAL LIAISON FOR MAC TODAY AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE THOUGHT WOULD BE SINCE WE ARE NOT FILLING KIND OF THE ADMIN POSITION AT DOCS THAT THIS PERSON WOULD HANDLE DOCS FINANCES, AS WELL. THERE IS ADDITIONAL PART-TIME STAFF WE HAVE ONE PART-TIME ADMIN. WE ARE CONTEMPLATING HAVING ANOTHER PART-TIME STAFF THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING SOMEBODY RETIRING NEXT YEAR AND I AM TRYING TO PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO CONTINUALLY TRAIN HER REPLACEMENT SO WE BUILT IN A LITTLE BIT OF PART-TIME DOLLARS. I WOULD NOT SAY THAT IS A NECESSARILY ONGOING THING WITH THE SECOND PART-TIME POSITION.

IN TERMS OF CONSULTING CONTRACTS, OR ACCOUNTING AND CONSULTING CONTRACTS, WE CONTRACT OUT TO THE CREATION, PUTTING TOGETHER ASSEMBLY OF OUR ANNUAL CARRANZA FINANCIAL REPORT. WE ALSO GET ASSISTANCE FROM THE SAME VENDOR IN TERMS OF SOME LONG-TERM AND EVEN SHORT-TERM FINANCIAL PLANNING.

WE LEANED VERY HEAVILY ON, THIS YEAR TO ASSIST WITH , AS THINGS WERE MOVING THROUGHOUT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO HELP US GET REAL-TIME UNDERSTANDING AND ESTIMATES ON WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE GOING TO DO TO OUR PROPERTY TAX REVENUES, AS WELL AS THE LIT REVENUES. THERE IS ALSO SOME DOLLARS IN THERE AS WE PUT TOGETHER STATEMENTS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A ACTUARY REVIEW PENSION AND THEN DOLLARS IN THERE FOR CONTINUING DISCLOSURE AND ARBITRAGE REGULATIONS. STARTING THIS CURRENT YEAR, 2025. YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT THE BOND PAYMENTS MADE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND HAD BEEN MADE OUT OF THE BOARD OF PUBLIC WORKS. THE CREATION OF THE BUDGET 2025 WE MOVED TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT,

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WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT IN THERE FOR TRAVEL AND TRAINING, PRIMARILY GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICIALS ASSOCIATION. THERE ARE SOME MEMBERSHIP FEES AND POTENTIAL CONFERENCES THERE.

OVERHEAD, I BELIEVE IS THE COST OF OUR CONTRACT FOR OUR EXISTING ACCOUNTING SYSTEM AND WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT HARDWARE WISE IN TERMS OF THEIR ARE, IT IS TIME TO REPLACE SOME OF THE ITE EQUIPMENT . SO, IN TOTAL OUR, THE SPEND WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER IN 2024, BUT AGAIN THAT'S BECAUSE THE BOND PAYMENTS WERE NOT BEING MADE OF OUR DEPARTMENT. 2025, THE BUDGET IS 17.5 MILLION. AGAIN MAJOR ADDITION IS THE BOND PAYMENTS.

NEXT YEAR 2026, THAT GOES DOWN TO 15.2 MILLION WITH REDUCTION OF 13.6% AND AGAIN IT IS NOT LIKE THAT IS REALLY ORGANIC , AN ORGANIC REDUCTION, MOST OF THAT IS MOVING THE DOLLARS OUT, THAT WE USE TO PAY FOR THE INSURANCE PREMIUMS AND DEDUCTIBLE , MOVING THAT OTHER TO ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE. THAT IS THE END OF MY

HUGE PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU, ZACH. APPRECIATE YOUR BUDGET PRESENTATION. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE HAVING, TWO QUESTIONS AND YOU CAN ANSWER AFTER I ASK. TAKING A LIAISON FROM THE MAC DEPARTMENT WHO WILL THEN ALSO WORK WITH DOCS. DOES THIS MEAN THAT THIS PERSON WOULD BE DOING SOME OF THE OFFICE MANAGEMENT SINCE THEY LOST LISA WILL THIS PERSON BE FILLING IN THE GAP? ARE YOU SHARING THAT

COST? >> THAT IS THE INTENT. I WOULD NOT SAY SHARING THE COST, SHOULD THE PLAN GO THROUGH, THE ENTIRE SALARY IS BUILT INTO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT BUDGET, BUT THAT PERSON WOULD BE THE POINT PERSON FOR THE REDUCED COMMS TEAM BUDGET, THE DAILY OFFICE MANAGER EXPENSES KEEPING TRACK OF THEIR SPENDING, SHE CURRENTLY DOES THAT FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND WE WOULD AT DOCS TO THAT PORTFOLIO, OFFICE MANAGER AND KIND OF CONTROLLER ACCOUNTING SUPERVISOR OR SOMETHING LIKE

THAT. >> SO THIS PERSON , SHE'S NOT

DOING THEM OR HE? >> SHE.

>> SHE WOULD BE DOING STILL THE MAYOR'S OFFICE FINANCE AND

DOCS? >> THERE'S PROBABLY NOT MUCH WORK FOR HER TO DO AT THE FINANCE, NECESSARY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE OTHER THREE DEPARTMENTS NEEDS ARE MET FIRST BEFORE I SEE IF SHE HAS CAPACITY TO DO OTHER FINANCE DEPARTMENT THINGS, BUT MOST OF HER ROLE IS FINANCIAL IN NATURE. AND SO SHE WOULD BE THE POINT PERSON FOR THOSE, TWO OF THE DEPARTMENTS SHE CURRENTLY HAS A USEFUL ROLE FOR COMMS WITH THE CAPACITY GETTING FREED UP SHE DOES WORK ON OTHER PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF FINANCE OR OUTSIDE OF FINANCIAL, FOR MAC TODAY SO I THINK SHOULD THE EXPERIENCE CARMEL PLAN GO THROUGH THAT LIGHTENS HER LOW TO TAKE ON THE DOCS NEEDS IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL MANAGER.

>> THEY COULD USE THE DOUBT, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ERP AND I MISS THAT IN THE BUDGET SOMEWHERE?

>> NO AND I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP. THE ERP AND HAVE A WHITE PAPER I WILL SEND OUT TO THE ENTIRE GROUP THAT GOES THROUGH THIS, BUT THE BIG PICTURE WISE, ERP SOLUTION IS LIKELY TO COST

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SORRY. 300,000 TO 400,000. IT IS A ROUNDING ERROR. 300,000 TO 400,000 PER YEAR FOR ONGOING LICENSING COST.

>> THE 2 MILLION WOULD BE IMPLEMENTATION AND CREATION AND THEN 300,000 WOULD BE A YEARLY COST SO AGAIN WHERE IN THE

BUDGET DOES IT SAY? >> NOT IN THERE AS OF THIS POINT AND TIME. SO, IN TERMS OF THE BENEFITS AND WHY THIS IS NECESSARY. TODAY TAKE THE PURCHASING PROGRAM AS AN EXAMPLE. OUR PURCHASING PROGRAM IS REFERRED TO AS ONE OF GARY'S APPS. GARY WAS AN EMPLOYEE THAT I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHEN RETIRED HE BUILT A MICROSOFT ACCESS DATABASE THAT WE USE FOR OUR PURCHASING. IT GENERATES A PDF THAT LOOKS LIKE A CLAIM FORM OR PURCHASE ORDER FORM. ULTIMATELY, THAT SYSTEM DOES NOT TALK TO ANY OTHER SYSTEM. SO THE PURCHASING PROGRAM AT THE END OF THE DAY SPITS OUT A PIECE OF PAPER THAT THEN HAS TO BE MANUALLY DELIVERED TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT OR EMAILED TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT REGARDLESS IT IS MANUALLY ENTERED AGAIN INTO THE COUNTING SYSTEM BECAUSE THE PURCHASING PROGRAM DOES NOT TALK TO THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM. SAME WAY WITH PAYROLL AS PAYROLL GETS PROCESSED THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS OKAY OF ALL THE PAYROLL THAT WENT OUT THIS IS THE PART THAT OUGHT TO BE SUBTRACTED OUT OF THIS DEPARTMENT BUDGET, THIS LINE SPECIFIC , THIS LINE, ALL OF THAT. THERE HAS TO BE A FILE CREATED BY THE PAYROLL TEAM , AFTER EVERY PAYROLL GETS PROCESSED THEY HAVE TO COMPLETE RECONCILIATION AND THAT GETS EMAILED OVER IN THE FORM OF A EXCEL SPREADSHEET WHERE OUR DEPARTMENT MANUALLY ENTERS THAT IN. INTO THE SYSTEM. I CAN GIVE YOU MORE EXAMPLES OF THAT WHERE THIS SYSTEM HAS DATA AND DOES NOT TALK TO THE SYSTEM. SO THE ERP, WE ARE USING ALL DATA TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS TO REDUCE INEFFICIENCY, TO REMOVE PAPER PROCESSES GETTING REAL-TIME DATA FOR DECISIONS I HAVE NOT BUILT A NUMBER SPECIFICALLY INTO THIS BECAUSE I WANTED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION, SHOULD COUNCIL WANT TO FUND THIS, SINCE THE 2 MILLION IS NOT AN ONGOING COST I WOULD SEE THAT AS A ONE-TIME USE OF HEALTHY GENERAL FUND BALANCE.

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DEPARTMENT WOULD BE BEST SUITED NOT FINANCE TO MANAGE THAT PROCESS, TO VET THE VENDORS, FIGURE OUT WHO WILL WORK BEST BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS YOU ARE DISCUSSING BECAUSE THAT IS COMPLEX SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HAVING SOME OF THOSE

OPEN CONVERSATIONS. >> YOU ARE SPOT ON, DR. JOSHI.

WE HAVE CREATED KIND OF A ERP STEERING COMMITTEE THAT IS COCHAIRED BY ME AND THE I.T. DIRECTOR AND THEN HAVE OTHER REPRESENTATIVES FROM THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHO HAVE KIND OF THE PRIMARY OWNERS OF THE CURRENT SYSTEMS SO THEY CAN BRING

ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. >> ANOTHER STEERING COMMITTEE I.T. WAS REFERENCING WHEN THEY SPOKE TO US.

>> WE CREATED A COUPLE DIFFERENT STEERING COMMITTEES. THIS ONE IS VERY FOCUSED ON JUST ERP. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS THE ONE

KEVIN REFERENCED. >> I WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS NOT UNDERSTANDING. TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER STEERING COMMITTEE WHICH IS FINE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THAT.

>> GRADE REPORT, THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND MAYBE YOU CAN PULL THIS UP, THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL. PULL IT UP AND PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. WHO MAINTAINED THE SITE? IS YOUR

DEPARTMENT HANDLING THAT? >> MERELY STONE MUNICIPAL GROUP.

ADAM STONE IS THE OWNER OF THIS COMPANY. I BELIEVE HE WAS PREVIOUSLY WITH OPEN GOV AND HAS CREATED A PROGRAM CALLED OPEN CHECKBOOK. WE FEED DATA TO THE PORTAL AND WE FEED THE CONTENT

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THE CONTENT THAT IS ON ME. >> IF YOU CAN PULL IT UP. WHERE IS THAT CONTRACT IS THAT IN YOUR DEPARTMENT OR SOMEWHERE ELSE?

>> YES, SO IF YOU GO TO THE CONTRACTING SERVICES TAB AND ON THE POWERPOINT IT IS THE CONSULTING FEE BUDGETED.

>> I WILL NOT GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS BUT THIS IS FOR THE CITIZENS SO I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW A CITIZEN WOULD LOOK AT THIS AND THEN ELASTOMERIC QUESTION ABOUT A GENTLEMAN THAT YOU MEET WITH I WILL SAY YOU MEET WITH PERIODICALLY OR ROUTINELY I SHOULD SAY WRITES ABOUT CARMEL FINANCES. AND YOU KNOW I GET FRUSTRATED WHEN I SEE AN INACCURATE INFORMATION. TO YOU STILL MEET WITH HIM? OKAY I'M GOING HERE TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND WHEN I LOOK UNDER THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN I LOOK AT EXPENDITURES, THE ONE THING THAT I SEE IMMEDIATELY WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AS A CITIZEN IS THAT IN 2024 WE SPENT X SO OVER AT GENERAL FUND AND I'M LOOKING AT DEBT SERVICE WHICH IS A BIG THING THAT I READ ABOUT ALL THE TIME. KEEP GOING, EXPENDITURES BY TYPE. AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS A WAY TO BE CLEARER , SO I HAVE FIGURED OUT THE DEBT SERVICE IN 2024 WAS 15 MILLION, BUT IN 2025 IS 5 MILLION. I GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR BUDGET YES IT WAS 13 MILLION TO MAKE THE 17 OR WHATEVER. SO OBVIOUSLY, I HAVE FINALLY FIGURED OUT THIS IS PROBABLY THE FULL YEAR 24 AND YEAR TO DATE 25 IS THAT FAIR?

>> THAT IS. I NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK THE TIMING AND I BELIEVE

THIS GETS UPDATED, THE DATA. >> IT SAYS AUGUST 26 SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT UPDATE MONTHLY YOU CAN SPEND ALL YOUR TIME ON THIS, BUT I THINK THIS IS REALLY MISLEADING. I'M NOT AN ACCOUNTANT. THAT IS ME AS A LAY PERSON SAYING WHY BUT I COMPARE 24 , IT'S PROBABLY WORSE WHEN IT IS HALF A YEAR OR A QUARTER IT DOES NOT TELL ME ANYTHING SO IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE 24 MATCH THE SAME TIME PERIOD AS 25? IS THAT HOW ACPA WOULD LOOK AT THIS OR YOU KNOW THIS HAS NO VALUE TO ME. I AM GOING OKAY WE'RE DOING

GREAT ONLY SPENDING $84 MILLION. >> WE CAN RELABEL THE 25 ACTUAL

AS YEAR TO DATE. >> IT IS NOT YOUR SING 25 IS

YEAR TO DATE? OKAY I GET THAT. >> FOR ME I WOULD RATHER COMPARE

LIKE NUMBER TO LIKE NUMBER. >> YEAR TO DATE AT THAT POINT

COMPARED TO THIS. >> I GET IT 24 IS A FOUR-YEAR I'M JUST MAKING THE POINT IF WE ARE TRYING TO SPEND MONEY ON INFORMING THE CITIZENS THIS HAS NO VALUE OR LESS VALUE I SHOULD

SAY. >> 2024

>> IT MUST BE OR WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.

>> THE WHOLE REASON I WENT HERE WAS TO TRY TO ASSESS LIKE ANY CITIZEN WOULD DO IS WHAT I AM READING THE TRUTH AND IT IS NOT.

AND IF YOUR INVESTING MONEY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS MEAN

SOMETHING. OKAY, THANK YOU. >> SO, ZACH ON THE ERP , FIRST OF ALL I REALLY LIKE THE WAY YOU HAVE INTRODUCED TO THIS SOFTLY.

BECAUSE IT IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND IT IS SOMETHING PROBABLY VERY FEW OF US UP HERE HAVE MUCH UNDERSTANDING OF . IT SOUNDS LIKE THE REQUEST IS NOT SO MUCH A BUDGET REQUEST BUT AN APPROPRIATION. IS THERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT ERP SOFTWARE'S. I'M SURE YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING IN MIND, I.T.

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>> IT IS AND WE HAVE A PRODUCT DEMOS WITH SEVERAL COMPANIES AND THEY HAVE BEEN ON SITE, SEVERAL. IN TERMS OF HAVING THEM GET INTO THE WEEDS OF EXISTING SYSTEMS, THAT HAS NOT OCCURRED.

>> IF THERE IS COST TO THAT WHICH IS A HEAVY ASK FOR A SALE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR, FIRST TO GET A FULL KIND OF BETTER UNDERSTANDING. AND WE HAVE LEARNED MORE IN THIS PROCESS THERE ARE SO MANY PROGRAMS OUT THERE AND WHEN YOU KIND OF PICK WHO IT IS HELPING THEM EXPLAIN AND I MIGHT ADVOCATE ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE , I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD SAY ACCOUNTS ARE, BUT ANYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS , COMPUTERS AND THIS JUST TO KIND OF KEEP THEM IN THE TECHNOLOGICAL LOOP OF WHERE YOU ARE THINKING BECAUSE I DO THINK YOU HAVE A TALL AND LONG ROAD TO PLOW FOR $2 MILLION, BUT I THINK IF ANYBODY CAN MAKE THE CASE THEN IT WOULD BE YOU BUT YOU WILL NEED SUPPORT OF AND I CAN'T EVEN PRETEND TO MAKE UP A NAME IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VENDORS ARE CALLED. THE ERP STORE PEOPLE. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO IN A MONTH OR SIX WEEKS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY

CHANCE OF HITTING THE DEADLINE? >> ABSOLUTELY. TO CLARIFY THERE ARE TWO STEPS. ONE IS SELECTING WHICH SYSTEM WE THINK IS THE BEST FOR OUR NEEDS. AGAIN THE BEST COMBINATION OF USABILITY, CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, AS WELL AS PRICE. PICKING THE SYSTEM AND ALSO JUST AS CRITICAL PICKING WHO WILL IMPLEMENT THAT SYSTEM FOR US. THAT'S THE PAR WHERE I THINK SOME PEOPLE. A GREAT SYSTEM, BUT POORLY CHOOSE THE PARTNER WHO WILL DO THE IMPLEMENTATION SO THAT TO ME IS JUST AS IMPORTANT IF NOT MORE FOR THOSE WHO WILL HELP IMPLEMENT BUT .

>> I JUST THINK THAT $2 MILLION HAVE PROBABLY, I THINK A LOT MORE WOULD BE HELPFUL TO LEAN PEOPLE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

>> HAPPY TO TALK, WE MIGHT HAVE OTHER OPTIONS TO PAY FOR IT SO I WILL HAVE YOU GO THROUGH THOSE AS WELL.

>> IN CLOSING, HAPPY TO HELP STEER AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE PART OF THE COMMITTEE. YOU AND I , WE KNOW BETTER THAN ANYBODY IT IS A MASSIVE CHANGE UNDERTAKING GOING THROUGH IT AT THE STATE , I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THE ONLY PERSON IN THE ROOM WHO LIVES IN PEOPLESOFT EVERY DAY BUT IT IS A JOY. THE IDEA OF MODERNIZING SYSTEMS TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE OUTPUTS ARE BENEFICIAL FROM THIS SIDE OF THE BENCH WOULD BE A COOL PIECE TO EVEN TO THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION. HAPPY TO HELP ANYWAY I CAN.

>> WHETHER TALKING ABOUT THE ERP, TALKING ABOUT UPDATING HR POLICIES OR FINANCIAL POLICIES, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF , BACK OFFICE TYPE STUFF THAT REALLY HAS NOT BEEN LOOKED AT OR EXAMINED, SCALED PROBABLY SINCE THE 90S. WE ARE BEHIND THE TIMES. I REMEMBER HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL WHEN WE FIRST MET. HE WAS GIVING ME A TOUR AROUND THE PARKS LAST YEAR AND WE WERE HAVING THAT WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN DOWN THE

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THINGS LIKE THAT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE AS AN OBSERVER BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT. I DON'T HAVE TO BE PART OF THE COMMITTEE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE AN OBSERVER.

>> I WILL SEND OUT MY WHITE PAPER TO COUNCIL TODAY THAT GOES

INTO MORE DETAIL. >> THANK YOU, ZACH. BROOKSHIRE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> ALL RIGHT BASICALLY THE GOLF COURSE IS A VERY IMPORTANT AMENITY OPERATED BY THE CITY OF CARMEL. TRY TO OFFER AS A LEISURE ACTIVITY, FOR RECREATION, PROMOTE PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AND SOCIAL INTERACTION AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE OVERALL WELL-BEING OF THE COMMUNITY. OUR PERSONNEL NUMBERS AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DO FIVE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. 50 TO 60 PART-TIME DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR.

OFF-SEASON OBVIOUSLY A LOT LESS, TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE NUMBER 1,079,040 WHICH IS SLIGHTLY DUE TO THE 3% INCREASE OF ANY ADDED COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WE ASKED FOR MORE PART-TIME HELP FOR NEXT YEAR, THIS YEAR WE PURPOSELY CUT DOWN AND SAW WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE A REDUCTION IN SERVICES. DUE TO THAT. FIRST PROGRAM IS WE TRY TO SIMPLIFY THIS YEAR AND GO WITH THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT, FIRST PROGRAM IS THE PRO SHOP PROGRAM WHICH WOULD INCLUDE EVERYTHING IT TAKES TO OPERATE THE PRO SHOP, THE CART AREA, GPS SYSTEMS, HARD AND SOFT GOODS, ALL OF THOSE ASPECTS. I JUST SPOKE TO ZACH ABOUT SOME NUMBERS TRANSPOSED ON THE 2024 AND 2025 NUMBERS SO THEY DON'T ADD UP EXACTLY RIGHT FROM THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. BUT OVERALL WE ARE STAYING PRETTY STEADY IN THE NUMBER. REQUESTING FOR 202 A COUPLE OF SLIGHT INCREASES.

ONE NUMBER ON THERE THAT YOU MAY LOOK AT AND THINK IS RATHER HIGH IS ORGANIZATIONAL MEMBERSHIP DUES. THAT IS NOT ORGANIZATIONAL MEMBERSHIP THAT ANY OF US HAVE AS OUR TEAM, THAT IS SOMETHING WE PAY TO THE HANDICAP OFFICE WITH THE STATE. EVERYBODY WHO COMES AND HAS A SEASON PASS OR PLAYS IN A LEAGUE HAS TO HAVE A HANDICAP, WE THEN CHARGE THEM FOR THE HANDICAP AND WE ARE CHARGED FOR THE HANDICAP BY THE ASSOCIATION. THAT IS A NUMBER THAT SEEMS HIGH , BUT THAT IS THE REASON WHY. NEXT PROGRAM WOULD BE MAINTENANCE. PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY. ALREADY KNOW A COUPLE OF THEM NUMBERS WERE TRANSPOSED WE DID NOT SPEND 25 NUMBERS WERE TRANSPOSED WE DID NOT SPEND 25,000 ON COMPUTER EQUIPMENT LAST YEAR IT WAS 2500. A0 WAS ADDED IN THE BACK-AND-FORTH ACTIVITY. AND THE TOTAL NUMBER AT THE BOTTOM I BELIEVE STILL INCLUDED LABOR. FOR SOME OF THAT. INCIDENT, THAT'S RIGHT. THIS ONE , THE BIG NUMBER WE TAKE OUT IS THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT SO I THOUGHT ONCE WE KIND OF GOT RID OF SOME OF THE CAPITAL LEASES WHERE WE TOOK CAPITAL EXPENDITURES OUT OF OPERATING BUDGET, THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE KEY TO US BEING SELF-SUSTAINING AND WE'RE FINALLY KIND OF GOT

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TO THAT POINT FOR THE NEXT YEAR. >> IF I CAN CLARIFY THAT POINT, SOMETHING THAT CAME UP DURING LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WORKSHOPS AND BOB , HIS PRESENTATION WAS SHORTLY AFTER PARKS , LAST YEAR AS WELL AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW PARKS TO GET GENERAL FUND APPROPRIATION BUT ANY OTHER ASPECTS THEY COVER THEIR COST.

FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHENEVER THE NEW CART PATH AND BRIDGES WERE INSTALLED AT BROOKSHIRE WHAT YEAR?

>> 2021. >> INSTEAD OF THAT BEING ROLLED INTO SOME BOND THAT WAS PAID FOR VIA CAPITAL LEASE. FRANKLY OUR CURRENT CAPITAL LEASE EQUIPMENT LEASE PROVIDER WOULD NOT LEND TOWARD SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY WANT SOMETHING TANGIBLE SO THEY CAN GO IF WE DID NOT MAKE PAYMENT, THERE IS COLLATERAL THAT THEY COULD SEIZE. NOT SURE IN THE SITUATION IF THEY WOULD COME BACK AND ROLLUP THE CART PATH OR TAKE A BRIDGE BACK, BUT AGAIN IT WAS PAID FOR AS A OPERATING EXPENSE WHEN IT WAS NOT AN OPERATING EXPENSE SO THIS IS ONE OF THE CAPITAL LEASES THAT WE HAVE NO SET ASIDE DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET TO PAY OFF ALL FUTURE PAYMENTS, BUT IT HAS THE IMPACT OF PULLING THAT EXPENSE OUT OF BOB'S RECURRING BUDGET AND GETS TO A POINT WHERE REVENUES AND EXPENSES ARE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND ARE MUCH CLOSER

TO BEING EQUAL. >> THANK YOU. AS YOU CAN SEE 2024 WAS 341, 2025 BUDGETED 382 AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE IT WILL BE AT NEXT YEAR LESS THAN 50,000 SO THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZE DROP OVER THREE YEARS. LAST PROGRAM , THE CLUBHOUSE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS WITH THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT, COUPLE NUMBERS WITH A ZERO ADDED, CABLE SERVICE WAS ABOUT 4400. NATURAL GAS WAS 4900 INSTEAD OF 49,000 WAS 4900 INSTEAD OF 49,020 24 SO THERE ARE SOME TRANSPOSED NUMBERS BUT BASICALLY AGAIN THAT NUMBER IS STAYING PRETTY STEADY , I'M GUESSING THIS YEAR TO NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE $1000 DIFFERENT OR $1500 DIFFERENCE.

AND ON THE BUDGET SUMMARY PAGE. I WENT WITH WHAT WE SPENT IN 2024 AND 2025 ANNUAL REVENUE. IF YOU TAKE THE CAPITAL NUMBERS OUT THAT PUTS US CLOSE TO IF NOT ABOVE BREAKING EVEN, 2026 WE ARE REQUESTING 1.8 MILLION WITH THE CHANCES OF US SPENDING THAT NOT VERY HIGH, WE ALWAYS STAY UNDER AND MY GUESSTIMATE IS NOW IN 2025 YEAR TO DATE AND REVENUE YEAR-TO-DATE ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO EVEN AND THAT HAS $200,000 FOR THE CART PATH PAYMENT AND THERE , ALREADY GOT THE BIGGEST EXPENSES FERTILIZER AND CHEMICAL PURCHASED FOR THE YEAR AND THAT KIND OF THING SO WE ARE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, I BELIEVE.

>> QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? GO AHEAD.

>> KIND OF A MORE, WHY DID OVERTIME GET MOVED FROM WHERE IT

HAS BEEN TO A DIFFERENT LINE? >> OUR OVERTIME , WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OVERTIME AT THE GOLF COURSE. WHAT WE HAVE IS ONE NONEXEMPT EMPLOYEE WHO WORKS MORE THAN 40 HOURS AND GETS TIME COMPENSATED , HE THEN USES THAT TIME AND IT COMES OUT OF THAT

OVERTIME. >> $40,000?

>> THAT'S A LITTLE HIGH WE ARE NOT GOING THAT HIGH, NOT EVEN CLOSE.

>> SO I THINK THIS WILL GO BACK TO HOW THEY WERE DIFFERENT ACCOUNT CODES CREATED THIS PAST BUDGETING YEAR SO WHERE THINGS WERE HISTORICALLY BUDGETED NOW WE HAVE GRANULAR LEVEL OF OVERTIME DETAILS. SO I CAN PULL A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA TO SEE WHICH ACCOUNT CODES WE USED, BUT WE DEFINITELY STILL HAVE OVERTIME BUDGETED FOR BROOKSHIRE THIS YEAR.

>> OKAY. LOOKS LIKE LAST YEAR WAS 24, EXCUSE ME, 16,000, NOW

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>> WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT AND GET YOU A BETTER EXPLANATION.

>> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, FIRST OF ALL I APOLOGIZE I WALKED IN A LITTLE LATE. IF I ASK SOMETHING YOU HAVE MENTIONED FORGIVE ME.

FIRST, YOU HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST EXPANDING PARKING AND IN THE BONDS FINALLY GETTING SOME SHADE FOR THE BACK PATIO HOW ARE THOSE GOING?

>> PRETTY CLOSE TO 100% OF SPECIFICATIONS DONE FOR THE PATIO AND WE WILL GET THAT TO ANDREW IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. LOOKED AT IT EARLY DEALING WITH CIO AT THE TIME AND KIND OF GOT SIDETRACKED A LITTLE BIT SO WE RESTARTED THAT UP AGAIN A MONTH AGO AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. EVERYBODY I TALKED TO BEFORE CAME OUT TO GIVE ME A QUOTE AND I AM TAKING ALL OF THE INFORMATION, COMBINING THEM INTO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.

>> AND YOU MENTIONED IN THE PAST PARKING EXPANSION. WHERE IS

THAT? >> AGAIN MY GUESS WILL END UP BEING FALL AND SPRING TO GET GRAVEL ON IT AND TO GET THE GRADING DONE AND PAVED IN THE SPRING.

>> YOU MENTION WHAT YOUR REVENUE IS. TO BREAK THAT DOWN , HOW ARE WE LOOKING FOR REVENUE GENERATED THERE COMPARED TO THE PRO SHOP CONCESSIONS AND FEES, HOW DOES THE REVENUE BREAKDOWN?

>> WE DON'T REALLY MAKE REVENUE OF THE EVENT SIDE, WE GET PAID RENT FROM THE CONTRACTOR , $4500 A MONTH FROM THEM. MEMBERSHIP OR SEASON PASS LAST I LOOKED WAS $240,000. OUR HARD AND SOFT GOODS $120,000 AND THE REST WILL BE DAILY PLAY.

>> 4500, WE RECENTLY RE-UPPED THE CONTRACT, THE RENT STAYED

THE SAME? >> IT WENT UP AND BEFORE WE HAD RENT PLUS PERCENTAGE OF UTILITIES, PLUS ANYTHING THEY MADE OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REVENUE AND RE-SIMPLIFIED THAT AND WE WERE GETTING ABOUT 3500 A MONTH LAST YEAR. 3200.

>> SO IT WENT UP AND YOU ALSO SIMPLIFIED SO MAYBE IT'S NOT AS BIG OF AN INCREASE FOR THEM BUT IT IS STILL AN INCREASE.

QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? COUNCILOR MINNAAR.

>> TALKING ABOUT THE OVERTIME BOND WAS THAT FOR THE MAINTENANCE , WHAT'S HIS NAME? RUSSELL, THAT WAS FOR RUSSELL?

>> WE HAVE ONE NONEXEMPT EMPLOYEE, THE ONLY ONE TREATED THAT WAY ANYTIME HE TAKES OFF TIME IN THE OFF-SEASON, COMES OUT OF HIS COMPENSATORY TIME THAT IS TAKEN OUT OF OUR FULL-TIME SALARY LINE ITEM AND PUT INTO THE OVERTIME.

>> HE DOES MOST OF ALL THE MAINTENANCE AND EQUIPMENT?

>> THE EQUIPMENT TECHNICIAN. >> TO CLARIFY FOR THE OVERTIME, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS ACCOUNTED FOR 411200 OVERTIME AND THIS YEAR BUDGETED AS SEPARATE LINE ITEMS SO THERE IS UNSCHEDULED OVERTIME AND SCHEDULED OVERTIME FOR A TOTAL OF AND WE ALSO ADDED ROUGHLY 25,000, TO PART-TIME BECAUSE THERE IS UNCERTAINTY OF HOW MUCH PART-TIME WAGES WOULD BE UTILIZED SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SHOULD SEE IT IN THIS BUDGET, BUT IT SHOWED UP IN A DIFFERENT

ACCOUNT CODE. >> YOU ARE SAYING THERE'S NO OVERTIME DO WE NEED 40,000 BUDGETED?

>> COUNCILOR LOCKE . >> IN GENERAL HOW DO YOU THINK BROOKSHIRE IS DOING FOR MEMBERSHIP INCREASES? HOW DO YOU THINK WE ARE DOING AS FAR AS INCREASING PLAYTIME OR DECREASING, AN OVERALL ESTIMATE FROM YOUR ASPECT ON THE HEALTH

OF THE GOLF COURSE? >> I BELIEVE THE HEALTH IS STRONG, AS OF NOW WE EXPECT TO DO 40,000 ROUNDS AGAIN IN THE

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>> COUNCILOR MINNAAR. >> I WENT OUT AND PLAYED THREE WEEKS AGO, THE COURSE SEEMS TO BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, LOOKS LIKE IT COULD USE MORE WORK WHERE YOU WANT IMPROVEMENTS OF THE COURSE? LIKE GREEN 17. SOME OF THE TEE BOXES.

>> THAT'S WHAT YOU WILL RUN INTO WITHOUT MUCH PLAY , THEY GET EXTREMELY BEAT UP SO WE WILL ALMOST CLOSE THEM, KEEP PEOPLE LOCKED IN ONE AREA TO COVER EVERYTHING ELSE ON THAT AREA. WE TRY TO DO, ANYTHING THAT A LOT OF TIMES WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CAPITAL PROJECT, SMALL CAPITAL PROJECTS WE DO THEM IN-HOUSE. WE REBUILD BUNKERS, WE TAKE DOWN TREES, WE REAL REBUILD A TEE IF WE THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BIGGER. THERE IS A HUGE COST SAVINGS TO THAT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE PROJECTS THIS OFF-SEASON TO MAKE A COUPLE OF THE TEE VIGOR AND TO IMPROVE DRAINAGE. I GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOMEBODY THEY KNOW LAST WEEK THEY CAME OUT AND

PLAYED, COURSE WAS GREAT, SO. >> COUNCILOR SNYDER.

>> CONVERSATIONS HOW ARE THEY ARE GOING OR HOW WILL WE IMPLEMENT THE BUSINESS PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE

CONSULTANT? >> YEAH, SO YOU ARE RIGHT WITH THE HELP OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WE GOT A BUSINESS PLAN , MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FRANKLY NOW WE ARE LOOKING THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, CONSIDERING WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE STAY AS IS, BECOME PART OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, CONSIDERING OPTIONS THERE WITH NO DECISIONS MADE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS PRIMARILY COMING OUT OF THIS, OUT OF THE , THE BUSINESS PLAN , AS BOB WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER. WE ARE LOSING, I DON'T WANT TO SAY LOSING MONEY, BUT WE ARE MISSING OUT ON DOLLARS WITH OUR CURRENT ANNUAL PASS SYSTEM. AS COMPARED TO THE NORMAL RATE FOR A ROUND OF GOLF PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET AROUND PROBABLY 10% OF THAT COST.

>> SO I THINK MOST OF US HAVE MEETINGS WITH THEM ABOUT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER GOT A COPY OF THAT.

COULD THEY SEND A COPY TO THE COUNCIL ?

>> OF THE BUSINESS PLAN? >> YES, SOME OF THEM OFFERED MEETINGS BUT I DON'T THINK WE GOT A COPY.

>> SO FOR MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THEY MET WITH EVERYONE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON MET WITH THEM. ONE-ON-ONE OPINIONS BASED ON DATA PRESENTED AND THEN THEY WOULD BUILD A BUSINESS PLAN AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE GOTTEN THAT TO CLARIFY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? YOU KNOW, I WANT TO KEEP MOVING ON, KEEP US UPDATED FOR ANY BIG CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT MAY COME IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER IT IS , YOU KNOW THE GOLF SIMULATORS OR THE EQUIPMENT BEYOND SMALLER THINGS YOU TAKE ON YOURSELF SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT IS COMING DOWN THE ROAD.

>> THINK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. TWO DEPARTMENTS LEFT. YOU HAVE NOT PRESENTED FACILITIES MANAGEMENT? WE WILL DO THAT AND THEN REDEVELOPMENT AND WE WILL WRAP UP THE DAY.

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>> SHOULD I GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN? OKAY. FIRST OF ALL BEFORE I GET INTO THE DETAILS I WANT TO REMIND THE GROUP, THIS IS , THIS IS A DEPARTMENT IN THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, BUT I WOULD NOT NECESSARILY THINK ABOUT THIS AS FUNCTIONALLY A DEPARTMENT AS WE THINK ABOUT OUR REAL DEPARTMENTS, FOR ACCOUNTING PURPOSES IT SHOWS UP AS A DEPARTMENT. THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY REFERRED TO AS THE ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT WHICH WAS KIND OF UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATION AND THEN BECAME CHIEF OF STAFF. I WOULD SAY THIS WAS A DEPARTMENT KIND OF USED AS A CATCH ALL FOR THOSE THINGS THAT PROBABLY DID NOT FIT ANYWHERE ELSE OR MAYBE WE JUST DID NOT WANT TO INCREASE THE OTHER DEPARTMENT BUDGET SO WE PAID FOR IT OUT OF HERE. THERE WERE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE BUDGET FROM 24, 225 AND AGAIN WE PAY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE FOR RETIREES OUT OF THIS AS OPPOSED TO THE HR DEPARTMENT. WE PAID THE PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE FOR THE CITY OUT OF HERE AS OPPOSED TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, A LOT OF THINGS COULD HAVE HAD BETTER HOMES SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID FROM 24 TO 25. WHAT THIS DEPARTMENT IS NOW, FACILITY MANAGEMENT IS THE COST OF MAINTAINING CITY HALL SO IT IS THE EMPLOYEES, THEIR EQUIPMENT , OTHER SUPPLIES AND ALL OF THAT. AGAIN IT IS OPERATIONS CLEANING AND ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF CITY HALL. THIS YEAR THE BIG THINGS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON ARE THE , MAINLY THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AND ALSO THE GENERATOR INSTALLATION. YOU KNOW WHEN WE LOST POWER BACK IN I BELIEVE APRIL WITH THE TORNADO, CITY HALL WAS WITHOUT POWER FOR A LENGTHY TIME. WE DON'T HAVE A GENERATOR TODAY, WE ORDERED ONE BACK LAST YEAR AND WE ARE EXPECTING THE INSTALLATION OF THAT THIS FALL AND WE'RE BUILDING THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE TO FRANKLY GET INTO COMPLIANCE WITH OUR OWN LAWS ON DUMPSTERS. THE STAFF PAID OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT, THERE ARE TWO FOLKS TODAY , TECHNICALLY THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR THERE WERE FIVE PAID OUT OF THIS FUND.

YOU HAVE THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT, YOU HAD A MAINTENANCE PERSON THAT WORKED FOR CLAYTON, BUT WAS ASSIGNED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR MAINTENANCE FEES AND THEN YOU HAD THREE CITY HALL CUSTODIAN/ MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL. GOING FORWARD, THAT HAS BEEN REDUCED, TO THREE OR 22 AS THREE OF THOSE ARE NOW PAID FOR BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS. SO WITH CLAYTON NOW OVERSEEING THE FACILITIES AND QUARTERMASTER FUNCTION, FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY , HE IS NO LONGER BEING PAID OUT OF THIS DEPARTMENT, HE IS BEING PAID OUT OF THE CPD BUDGET GOING FORWARD.

THE , ALSO OBVIOUSLY THE GENTLEMAN RESPONSIBLE FOR FIRE IS MOVING OVER TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEN ONE OF THE THREE CUSTODIAL FOLKS IS MOVING OVER TO THIS OTHER TEAM, AS WELL, TO KIND OF TO BE , AT THE END OF THE DAY WE WILL HAVE A CUSTODIAN IN THE CPD BUILDING, CUSTODIAN IN FIRE HEADQUARTERS AND THEN A FLOAT PERSON BETWEEN THE TWO AND ALSO HELPING WITH CITY HALL. I THINK WHEN LOOKING AT THE FIRE HEADQUARTERS FOR CPD , ONE PERSON ALONE DOING THAT IS PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH, TWO IS PROBABLY TOO MUCH SO WE HAVE ONE PLUS A FLOAT MODEL. SO, IN TERMS OF OTHER COSTS WE HAVE THE UTILITY COST AND OTHER OVERHEAD,

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CENTER COST >> ANY QUESTIONS? BUDGET IS DOWN

400,000. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, YOU BROUGHT UP THE , THE ENERGY CENTER. USED TO BE UNDER THIS LINE ITEM, WONDERING, TRYING TO FIND SO.

>> TO THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE. >> JUST AS A QUICK OVERVIEW THERE , THERE IS A REVENUE SOURCE WE HAD BEEN FOLLOWING THE GENERAL FUND. CANNOT ANYMORE, THAT BRINGS IN PROBABLY 3.6 TO 3.7 MILLION ONGOING REVENUE EVERY YEAR. AND WE HAVE MOVED A FEW RECURRING EXPENSES PRIMARILY MANAGED BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT OVER TO BE PAID FOR OUT OF THIS REVENUE SOURCE.

>> ON THAT FUND, THERE ARE NOW SIX PAYMENT ITEMS COMING OUT OF THE FUND, ONE OF THEM IS CAPITAL LEASE WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER DRAWING DOWN SOME CAPITAL LEASE, THESE WILL BE RECURRING UNDER THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE LINE ITEM MOVING FORWARD , LIKE ENERGY CENTER, GENERAL INSURANCE?

>> YES THAT'S THE WAY IT IS SET UP AND WE WOULD BE OPEN TO DIFFERENT EXPENSES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE. TO PUT THESE BACK AND PAY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT SHOULD I PAY THE BILL OUT OF MY GENERAL FUND APPROPRIATION OR OUT OF MY FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX APPROPRIATION? SOME OF THESE THE DEPARTMENTS AND FUNDS ARE OWNED BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT IT WAS EASIER TO PICK UP SOME OF OUR

EXPENSES. >> I ASK AND IT GOES BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY YESTERDAY, THE IDEA SOME FUNDS THAT ARE FINANCED THAT YOU OVERSEE THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY GENERAL FUNDS NOT NECESSARILY A DISCUSSION POINT FOR THESE MEETINGS BECAUSE WE ARE INCORPORATING THE GENERAL FUND WERE ALL RELATED TO THE BUDGET SO I DO THINK IF THERE'S A LIST OF OTHER PLACES WHERE FUNDING OR RECURRING ITEMS HAVE GONE IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE THOSE SO WE HAVE THE FULL PICTURE AND THIS GOES TO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE AMBULANCE FUND AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, THESE FUNDS ARE SET UP AND USED IN THE WAY THEY ARE INTENDED TO BE UNDER THE CODE , I LOVE THE IDEA WE'VE GOT IT IT'S THERE LET'S PUT THESE THERE NOW BUT FOOD AND BEVERAGE RELATED EXPENSES MOVING FORWARD EVEN IF THEY ARE GENERAL FUND FROM ANOTHER LINE ITEM MAKING SURE WE ALIGNED TO THE COAT IF THE INTENT IS THERE TO BEGIN WITH IS IMPORTANT. I WOULD HATE FOR US TO DO TOO MANY THINGS WITHOUT TRACKING THEM AND ENSURING WE GET THEM BACK SO 12 YEARS FROM NOW THERE LIKEWISE THAT THERE? BECAUSE WE HAD TIME IN 2025 AND 2026 WHERE WE PUT IT THERE AND IT MADE SENSE BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SO A REVIEW OF THAT FROM FINANCE PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE GREAT.

>> HAVE A SHORT SLIDE DECK I WILL SEND THE GROUP, IT IS 90% DONE BUT HOLISTIC ON FOOD AND BEVERAGE TAX FUND, WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE ARE NOW AND WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING BUDGET WISE

AND I WILL GET IT OUT TODAY. >> ONE FINAL THING ON THAT.

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>> OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THING ONTO THE LAST PRESENTATION OF THE DAY, REDEVELOPMENT.

>> WHILE HENRY IS GETTING READY I HAVE SEEN SOME OF YOU WHISPERING TO EACH OTHER AND I SEE JEFF LEAVING THE ROOM. EARLY DON'T NEED THE AWARD FOR GREATEST POWERPOINT

PRESENTATION. >> HENRY IS USUALLY PRETTY GOOD.

DID YOU DO SOME EXTRA MAGIC TO COMPETE WITH ENGINEERING THIS

TIME? >> NO EXTRA MAGIC JUST DOING MY JOB.

>> IT STARTED WHENEVER YOU ARE READY.

>> GREAT, HELLO, CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE BUDGET THAT HAS GONE DOWN COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. WE DO REDEVELOPMENT STUFF. NEXT PLEASE. A LOT OF SUCCESSES THROUGH THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF IN REDEVELOPMENT. I'M GOING TO ALLOW WHOEVER WANTS TO READ THIS BUT I WON'T READ EACH ONE OF THESE BECAUSE MOST OF MY SUCCESSES REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL SO THIS IS ALL OF OUR TOGETHER SUCCESSES. I HAVE FIVE PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT, ME AND FOUR OTHER WONDERFUL PEOPLE AND THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF MY BUDGET AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO ALL CONTINUE TO WORK HERE. NO VACANCIES AND NOTHING NEW. 40 GRAND OF ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET. THIS COVERS EVERYTHING, MOST CATEGORIES DECREASE FROM 2025, TRAINING AND TRAVEL SPECIFICALLY REDUCED BY 70% PREVIOUS YEAR. NEXT, NEXT. I.T. COST, NOW $7000, WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC SOFTWARE WE USE. THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST NON-PERSONNEL ITEM SO AT TIMES REDEVELOPMENT HOLDS ON TO BUILDINGS THAT ARE PART OF FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND IN THE MEANTIME WE PAY UTILITY ANOTHER CARRYING COST SO THOSE USUALLY SIT HERE. SO LIKE TWO NEW PRODUCTS AND PROPERTIES COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, ONE IS THE CURRENT, THE FORMER OLDTOWN HEADQUARTERS , THE CORNER WHERE THE PROJECT WOULD GO, NOW WE'RE STILL PAYING UTILITIES BECAUSE WHEN WE TURN THEM OFF IT GETS REALLY BAD AND AFTER DEMO SO WE TRY NOT TO TURN OFF UTILITIES UNTIL IT'S TIME TO DEMO HOPEFULLY THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD SO THAT WILL STOP, SAME WITH I.T. FOR NOW WE ARE PAYING SOME COST LIKE UTILITIES TO KEEP IT FROM GETTING ALL MULTI-AND GROSS , BUT THE SECOND A PROJECT IS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL THAT STOPS BEING EXPENSIVE. THE LARGEST OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT WE STILL HAVE IS THE LASER FLASH AND WINTER FARMER MARKET BUILDING. SO LIKE WE CARE UTILITY CHARGES FOR THAT THE DEAL WITH THE FARMERS MARKET, COUNCILOR LOCKE YOU ASKED THE QUESTION A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND I DID NOT PERFECTLY ANSWER IT SO I WILL NOW, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION PAYS $1300 OF UTILITIES A MONTH AND ANYTHING ABOVE THAT THE FARMERS MARKET PAYS WHICH MEANS THEY TURN THE LIGHT OFF WHEN THEY'RE DONE AND OTHERWISE RECOVER IT. SO THAT'S THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT EXPENSES THAT USUALLY EXIST.

>> IF WE WANT A LASER TAG PARTY IS THAT SOMETHING?

>> MY DAUGHTER HAD A LASER TAG PARTY LAST WEEKEND FOR HER BIRTHDAY. I PAY FULL PRICE AND YOU WILL, TOO.

>> SUPPORT YOUR CARMEL BUSINESSES. HIGHLIGHTS. WE TOOK 88,000 OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OUT OF THE BUDGET AND STUFFED THEM INTO CRC , THAT'S HOW WE COME EXCLUDING GOING TO THE END EXCLUDING PERSONNEL WE HAVE A BUDGET DECREASE OF 41%. I AM OUT OF MONEY, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT. AND YOU CAN SEE OUR BUDGET HAS DECREASED OVERALL COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR SO WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

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>> YOU SAY YOU MOVED IT TO CRC SO OUT OF CITY BUDGET INTO THE COMMISSION BUDGET? IT SEEMS TO ME YOUR BREAD AND BUTTER IS DESIGN AND LEGAL. THAT'S WHAT YOU REMOVED.

>> USUALLY, THE WAY IT WORKS IS THAT BOTH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION CARRY PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND THE DEPARTMENT HAS FOR A LONG TIME FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN HERE CARRIED SUBSTANTIAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LINE ITEM BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENT WE ARE IN.

>> SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOUR MATH SAYS 88,000 AND MY ABACUS TELLS ME IT'S MORE LIKE 10 8000 OR ACTUALLY 118,000. I CONSIDER PROFESSIONAL FEES AND SERVICES WHICH IS LEGAL AND CONSULTING AND DESIGN SO YOU HAVE REALLY CUT WHATEVER I JUST SAID

128,000. >> WE HAVE SHIFTED THAT TO THE

COMMISSION . >> NO LONGER TRAVELING. WHICH SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER BREAD AND BUTTER PIECE OF WHAT YOU DO.

>> WE HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THE TRAVEL BUDGET BUT THERE IS

STILL 14 GRAND OR SO. >> 10.

>> 10,000 IN THE TRAVEL BUDGET. SO, MY TEAM IS A VERY UNIQUE TEAM WHERE EVERYONE IS KIND OF VERY HIGH LEVEL AND EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT DISCIPLINE. HAVE A ARCHITECT, URBAN PLANNER AND FINANCE PERSON. SO BACK IN THE DAY, EACH ONE OF MY PEOPLE GOT TO GO TO ONE, RELATED TO THEIR PROFESSIONAL DISCIPLINE TRIP PER YEAR. THAT HAS BEEN CUT OUT, I OFTEN SPOKE AT SEVERAL TRIPS A YEAR SO THE BUDGET, THE TRAVEL BUDGET HAS BEEN DECREASED FOR ME TO GO TO MY ONE LEGAL CONFERENCE AND ONE URBAN PLANNING CONFERENCE. WHETHER IT IS ULI OR ONE OF THOSE. SO WE HAVE CUT IT TO JUST TWO WORK RELEVANT CONFERENCES FOR ME, BUT HAPPY TO TAKE FOR THE DIRECTION , THAT'S HOW WE GET A SUBSTANTIAL

DECREASE IN TRAVELING TRAINING. >> I HAVE EXPLAINED LEGAL WAS HERE ABOUT MY PHILOSOPHY WITH DIFFERENT CONFERENCES BUT IF YOU HAVE A BUDGET , IF IT IS NOT BUDGETED BUT AN EMPLOYEE IS ASKED TO SPEAK AT A CONFERENCE THAT IS A LEGITIMATE REASON TO COME ASK FOR APPROPRIATION. I WOULD NEVER NOT WANT SOMEONE TO

SPEAK IF THEY WERE ASKED. >> COUNCILOR LOCKE.

>> WE HAD A LONG AND ROBUST DISCUSSION YESTERDAY ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IN THE CITY OF CARMEL AND HOW REDEVELOPMENT IS AT THE CORE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING TO BUILD OUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND CONNECT TO THE ECOSYSTEM THAT MAKES SENSE FOR BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO THE PLACE IS BEING REDEVELOPED. SO I'M WONDERING AS WE TALK ABOUT TRAVELS AND WE TALK ABOUT THE SHARED MISSION AND VISION OF FINDING THE RIGHT THINGS AND BUILDING THE RIGHT THINGS MOVING FORWARD, THERE WAS $10,000 IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUDGET , THE MAYOR HAS $29,000 TRAVEL BUDGET DOING THINGS RELATED TO THIS PROCESS.

I SEE THESE BEING THE SHARED MISSION GOING OUT AND CONNECTING TO THE CITY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ACCORDING RESOURCES THE RIGHT WAY, FULL AWARE THOSE THINGS ARE SHARED UP AND THROUGH THE MAYOR ON THAT MISSION. TO THE POINT ON THIS THE IDEA WE ARE NOT AT THE TABLE OR AT EVENTS, WE ARE MEETING ON THE EDGE OF BUILDING OUT A COMMUNITY WITH THIS AS THE STRATEGIC FOREFRONT SEEMS TO BE A BIG MISS THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE PART OF. I SAY THAT AS WE LOOK AT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AS WE HONE IN ON WHERE THE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TRAVEL ON HIS FACE APPEARS TO BE A PERK , BUT IS THE WORST PART OF MOST GOVERNMENT JOBS, BUT A NECESSARY PART OF IT TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITIES AND DATAFLOW BECOMES A VERY INTERESTING THING TO HONE IN ON OR MAKE SURE WE ARE ALIGNED GETTING TO THE END POINT THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THE TEAM FOR THE DIRECTION FOR THE INFORMATION GATHERING WE NEED AS A CITY.

>> I WOULD ECHO THAT A LITTLE BIT TO SAY AGAIN 2026 IF THERE IS A BIG ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY I DON'T WANT US TO MISS OUT ON SOMETHING BECAUSE WE CANNOT FLY OUT TO MEET WITH THE COMPANY AND LOOK INTO IT. SO I KNOW I APPRECIATE YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN RESPONSIBLE CUTTING YOUR BUDGET DOWN BUT THESE THINGS COME UP, COME TO US AND EVERYONE IN THE PUBLIC KNOWS

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>> WHAT ARE YOU MOST EXCITED ABOUT IN THE BUDGET? THE LAST TIME WE GET TO ASK. WHAT ARE YOU MOST EXCITED ABOUT, WHAT ARE YOU EXCITED ABOUT THE UPCOMING YEAR GOALS AND IDEAS , MASTER DEVELOPING, WHAT DO YOU SEE AND WHAT GETS YOU UP IN THE MORNING

AND EXCITED ABOUT 2026. >> I AM MOST EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE TEAM STAYS IN TACT AND WE CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE CAN FOR ANOTHER YEAR. THE STATE HAS PRESENTED US WITH CHALLENGES, THE NATURE OF REDEVELOPMENT IS CHANGING, THERE ARE CERTAIN PROJECTS WHERE, I MEAN THE SAME MULTIFAMILY BUILDING THAT GENERATED SOME AMOUNT OF TIF ONE YEAR AGO WILL GENERATE 66% OF THAT IN TWO YEARS. SO BEFORE THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT FILLING THE GAP FOR A GARAGE ALL OF THOSE ARE BUSTED AND SO WE HAVE TO BE INNOVATIVE IN HOW WE CONTINUE TO DO REDEVELOPMENT, THE CITY HAS BEEN ON THE FOREFRONT OF THAT FROM THE BEGINNING AND I DO NOT SEE THAT CHANGING. IT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING YEAR.

>> WELL I CAN'T IMPRESS UPON YOU ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT I THINK YOUR TEAM AND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WE HAVE GOTTEN TO FROM WHERE WE CAME FROM WILL BE THAT CREATIVE FORCE AND THE LONGEVITY, THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE HAVE AS A TEAM GOING INTO DIFFERENT TIMES AND DIFFERENT ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENTS ARE THE NEXT GREAT BASTION OF HOW WE STAY THE NUMBER ONE CITY IN THE WORLD IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND MOVING FORWARD. APPRECIATE THAT. WAKE UP, FIND SOMETHING TO BE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT AND DO NOT HESITATE TO ASK COUNCIL TO BACK THINGS WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT STRATEGICALLY TO MAKE THIS PLACE

CONTINUE TO GROW. >> COUNCILOR JOSHI AND COUNCILOR

WORRELL. >> THE THOUGHTFULNESS AND CREATIVITY WITH WHICH YOU BRING PROJECTS TO US WITH IS GREATLY APPRECIATED AND IF THE CHALLENGES YOU ITERATED ARE NOW IN FRONT OF US COME I SEE NO ONE BETTER TO BE ABLE TO TACKLE THE CHALLENGES THAN YOU HENRY BECAUSE YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT ALL THE TIMES I ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND YOU HAVE ANSWERED THEM AND YOU HAVE BEEN HONEST ABOUT YOUR ASSESSMENT ON THINGS SO I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE EXPERTISE AND I HOPE YOU FEEL VALUED AND I KNOW WE OFTEN BEAT YOU UP AND GIVE YOU A HARD TIME AND THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE JOB YOU DO, BUT YOU DO IT WITH

GRACE AND I APPRECIATE IT. >> I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, COUNSELOR. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TURNOVER IN THE CITY , THE MAYOR HAS KEPT THE REDEVELOPMENT TEAM INTACT, EVERY ONE OF OUR STAFF HAVE STAYED INTACT AND I BELIEVE THAT IS A REFLECTION OF THE IMPORTANCE OF REDEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY AND I CAN ONLY BE

THANKFUL FOR THAT. >> HENRY , THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT, THIS SHOULD FEEL LIKE A DIFFERENT BUDGET MEETING THAN THE YEARS GONE BY, AND I WOULD SAY THAT I SERVED AS A COMMISSIONER, WITH YOU ON REDEVELOPMENT AND HE BECAME THE DIRECTOR AND ALSO SERVED SO I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR WHAT YOU DO AND WE HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP, BUT I DO, I LOVE YOUR ANSWER TO COUNCILOR LOCKE'S QUESTION THAT THE TEAM IS IN TACT AND A SENSE THERE WAS A TURNING POINT THIS YEAR WHERE YOU WERE ALLOWED TO SHOW US YOUR SKILLS AND TO DO WHAT YOU DO % BEST. SO, HOWEVER THAT HAPPENED I AM HAPPY IT HAPPENED AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE OF IT. YOU SAT THROUGH MANY BUDGET MEETINGS AND MAYOR FINKAM CAN PROBABLY REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE NOT SO NICE AND THEY WERE VERY CRITICAL AND IT IS LOOKING BACK TO SEE THE SUCCESS AND SEEING WHAT HAS BEEN DONE THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU A GREATER SENSE OF A COMPASS ME AND HOPEFULLY FOR THE ENTIRE TEAM A GREAT SENSE OF PRIDE. I HAVE VISITORS COMING TO CARMEL , NEXT WEEK AND ONE OF THE REQUEST OR EXCUSE ME, A REQUEST FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE IS WE WANT TO MEET YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. SO I HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT. THAT IS COMING VIA THE REPUTATION OF CARMEL , INDIANA. WHEN A MANNER SAYS THEY WANT TO MEET YOU. SO I JUST WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON A JOB WELL DONE AND PEACE.

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>> COUNCILOR MINNAAR. >> IT IS HENRY LOVE FESTIVAL TODAY. I WILL PUT IT , PUT A CHERRY ON TOP OF THIS WONDERFUL SUNDAY. I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE CHANGE AND DON'T UNDERSTAND CHANGE AND WHEN YOU DO THINGS THAT PEOPLE SEE AS ODD OR OUT OF PLACE OR YOU DON'T NEED IT, CLEARLY A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE COME BACK AND THEY SAY YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WERE RIGHT, WE DO NOT PLEASE EVERYBODY AT ALL TIMES, BUT WHEN THE MAJORITY PEOPLE COME BACK AND SAY YOU HAVE DONE YOUR JOB PROPERLY THAT SAYS A LOT SO LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE DAIS EVER APPRECIATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND HANDHOLDING OVER THE LAST 19 MONTHS. I COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU SO THANK YOU, AS WELL.

>> TERESA. >> ONE THING I COULD SEND IN AN EMAIL BUT LET HENRY DO HENRY.

>> APPARENTLY ONLY HENRY CAN GET COUNCILOR AYERS TO SPEAK. I WILL TAKE YOU DOWN A NOTCH YOUR MY SECOND FAVORITE DEPARTMENT HEAD.

>> I DON'T WANT HIS HEAD TO GET TOO BIG. ANY OTHER THINGS? THERE

WE GO. >> NOW THAT WE HAVE WRAPPED THESE UP, I KNOW WE TOOK A LOT OF NOTES AND THINGS YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED FOR. WE CAN GET THOSE BY THE END OF THE WEEK OR SO, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU ARE MISSING LET US KNOW AND WE HAVE SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT MEETINGS AND IF THERE'S MORE OF THOSE

YOU WANT PLEASE REACH OUT. >> I DO WANT TO SAY 2027 IS GOING TO BE EVEN TOUGHER. KEEP SAYING THAT, THE WORK YOU DO WILL HELP US CONTINUE TO GROW THE TAX BASE WHICH WE TALK ABOUT HOW TO CREATE REVENUE. IF YOU REALIZE THAT FAST IT DOES SET US UP TO REALLY EATHER THE EFFECT AND HAD WE NOT BEEN DOING THESE PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS, WE WOULD BE IN A TOUGHER POSITION TODAY. ZACH, YOU WILL GET A COPY OF MAYBE AN UPDATED BUDGET BY THE END OF THE WEEK AND THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME FOR TUESDAY WHEN WE HAVE OUR MEETING FROM 9:00 UNTIL 11:00 IN THE CHAMBERS TO GO OVER THAT, BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT IN ADVANCED REVIEW?

>> 9:00 A.M. UNTIL 11:00 A.M. TUESDAY THE 23RD. TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK. DURING THE MEETING WE WILL GO OVER IF THERE WERE UPDATES OR CHANGES BASED ON COUNCIL FEEDBACK I ASSUME.

>> WE NEED A OFF-LINE CONVERSATION.

>> OKAY. ALL I WOULD ASK IS IF WE GET IT IN ADVANCE SO WE ARE NOT SEEING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN THE MEETING STARTS AND WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IF THERE IS A UPDATED BUDGET. COUNCILOR

WORRELL. >> I GUESS I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION. MAYOR, THIS IS JUST A QUESTION, BUT DO YOU TAKE THE FEEDBACK AND THE TONE AND THE TENOR OF WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD AND YOU THEN SAY WE WILL MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT HERE AND WE WILL DO THAT? IS THAT KIND OF THE NEXT STEP OF WHAT HAPPENS AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO US OR YOU KNOW HOW DOES THIS WORK?

>> THIS IS ALL NEW PEOPLE DOING IT AND I DO EXPECT TO SEE A FULL NEW BUDGET, GOOD CONVERSATION AND MOVE ON AND WE WILL INTRODUCE THE BUDGET FORMALLY ON THE SIXTH AND IT HAS TO BE INTRODUCED BEFORE THAT. ALL OF THAT FUN STUFF. I DON'T SEE HIS COMMITTEE WITH A FORMAL BUDGET ON THE 23RD.

>> LET ME FOLLOW UP. SO, IF I WERE IN YOUR SHOES AND I HEARD SOME CONCERN ABOUT EXPERIENCE CARMEL AND YOU SAID THERE IS NO OTHER PLAN. WOULD IT BE , WOULD WE BE ABLE TO EXPECT YOU MIGHT SAY WE BETTER AT LEAST THINK ABOUT ANOTHER PLAN?

>> MINDNUMBING MEETINGS FOR MORE THAN 12 HOURS SO WE WILL GO BACK TO THE TEAM AND SEE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

>> THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETINGS.

>> THAT IS THE PURPOSE TO INTRODUCE THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET

TO YOUR. >> AND RECEIVE FEEDBACK. I

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THINK. >> JUST TO ECHO THAT, I DON'T WANT TO REHASH EVERYTHING WE HAVE SAID THE LAST TWO DAYS ON THE 23RD. SO HOPEFULLY IF THERE IS NEW INFORMATION I DON'T EXPECT A NEW BUDGET DRAFTED IF YOU HAVE A POSITION TO SAY WE HAVE TAKEN THIS FEEDBACK , WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO WORK THIS INTO A BUDGET AND THEN IT'S LIKE OKAY SOMETHING IS KNOCKED OFF THE LIST AND RECEIPT HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK AND IF WE WALK IN AND DEBATE EVERYTHING ALL OVER AGAIN I DON'T KNOW IF

THAT'S GOING TO BE USEFUL. >> JUST A THOUGHT I KNOW THAT THERE IS STILL COUNTING AND STUFF HAPPENING AT THE STATE FROM CALCULATION OF PROCESS STANDPOINT, IF IT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE THE 23RD BACK BECAUSE THERE'S MORE INFORMATION WE NEED THAT MAKE SENSE, BUT THE THING I WANT TO ECHO ON THIS FINAL AS WE GET INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF HEARING YOUR FEEDBACK AND THE FEEDBACK HE RECEIVED HERE, IF THERE IS OTHER INFORMATION YOU NEED FROM US TO FEEL CONFIDENT IN FIGURING OUT WHERE TO GO WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND OTHERS, LET US KNOW, OFF-LINE BECAUSE WE NEED MORE INFORMATION THAT CONTINUES TO GROW. THE IDEA OF COMING BACK TO THE NEXT ONE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE ARE ALL WILLING TO COME BACK AND COMPROMISE OR MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION SEEMS TO BE A GOOD NEXT STEP, THE GOAL IS TO GET A BUDGET APPROVED BY THE END OF OCTOBER AS NEEDED AND REQUIRED BY LAW. SO MAKING PROGRESS ON THAT AND KNOWING WHERE WE STAND AND WHAT WE NEED TO THINK MORE ABOUT SEEMS TO BE A GOOD NEXT PLACE TO GO AS A TEAM, THAT WAY WE CAN GET THROUGH IT AND IF THERE ARE THINGS YOU DO NOT WANT TO MOVE ON AS SOON AS WE KNOW THAT'S THE CASE WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS ON OUR END. WHAT WE NEED TO CUT, PRESENT OR PROCESS ON THE POWERS WE HAVE AS A COUNCIL , THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BUT I DO THINK THAT FINAL PIECE OF INFORMATION FROM THE STATE WILL BE IMPORTANT.

>> CAN I RESPOND TO THAT REAL QUICK? SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THINGS ARE INDICATING THAT THE, THE MISUNDERSTANDING BY THE COUNTY WILL NOT HAVE MUCH OR ANY IMPACT ON OUR OPERATING DOLLARS, IT MIGHT MORE SO ON BONDING CAPACITY. ONCE I GET THAT A LITTLE MORE LOCKED IN, YOU CAN SAY WITH MORE CONFIDENCE I WILL SEND SOMETHING TO COUNCIL MAKING SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. I WOULD ALSO NOTE IN REGARDS TO MOVING THE MEETING ON THE 23RD, WE DO HAVE A STATE REQUIREMENT OF HOSTING OUR BUDGET IN GATEWAY I WANT TO SAY BY FRIDAY OF NEXT WEEK, I THINK IT COULD BE THURSDAY. WHEREAS NORMALLY WE ARE POSTING THE CURRENT OR THE REPORTER AND EVERYWHERE DOING A PUBLIC NOTICE , WITH THE BUDGET GOES INTO GATEWAY ANYTHING THURSDAY AND FRIDAY OF NEXT WEEK THERE IS A FIRM DEADLINE TO PUT THE MAYOR BUDGET IN. WE GO BACK AFTERWARDS AND PUT IN THE PAST BUDGET.

>> ONE THING I WANT TO CLARIFY OR HIS SECOND ON COUNCILOR LOCKE 'S POINT IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MOSTLY LOGISTICALLY DOING THESE BY NEXT TUESDAY OR WHATEVER THE REASON IS, I'M NOT TERRIBLY INTERESTED IN SITTING HERE THREE HOURS LETTING EMOTIONS GET HIGH FOR NO REASON SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF IT IS EVEN NEEDED FRANKLY. I HAVE A FEELING THAT , I HAVE A FEELING THAT NOT , THE NEEDLE, NOBODY IS GOING TO BE HAPPY, ANY PARTY IN THIS WOULD BE HAPPY WITH WHATEVER IS PRESENTED TUESDAY AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE STATE SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A REASON TO GET CUTTHROAT WHEN WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING WHAT IS PRESENTED AND WORKING ON IT ANYWAY.

>> I WOULD AGREE AND COUNCILR MINNAAR.

>> I WANTED TO ASK SPECIFICALLY WHEN HAMILTON COUNTY IS GOING TO GET BACK WITH YOU. THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

>> THEY HAVE SAID THEY ARE ON TRACK TO PUBLICLY NOTICE THE RECERTIFIED NUMBERS . I THINK IT WAS NEXT FRIDAY WHICH I DON'T

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>> PART OF THE REASON WE SCHEDULED THIS MEETING ON THE 23RD WHICH WAS NOT THE MEETING IN THE PAST WHERE THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS WE DID NOT HAVE PREMEETING OR THE MEETING IN BETWEEN BUDGET INTRODUCTION IN THE PAST, PART OF THE REASON WAS TWO. ONE, SO IF THERE WERE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES WE COULD GO THROUGH THAT PRIOR TO INTRODUCTION AS AN ORDINANCE AT THE OCTOBER 6 COUNCIL MEETING. ALSO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AS A COUNCIL ARE COMMUNICATE WITH THE MAYOR ABOUT CUTS WE EXPECT. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN CRITICISM SAYING MAYBE YOU DID NOT KNOW CUTS WERE COMING IN THE PAST. I THINK WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY OPEN ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS.

ANYTHING SOME OF OUR POSITIONS ARE PRETTY CLEAR. I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILOR SNYDER, IF THE MEETING ON THE 23RD COMES IN WITH NO CHANGES PRESENTED AND WE JUST WANT TO RE-DEBATE THEM I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE MEETING BUT IT WILL BE A PRETTY SHORT MEETING. I DON'T KNOW HOW HELPFUL THAT WILL BE. BUT, IF THERE ARE SOME CHANGES EITHER FROM COUNCIL HAS ADDITIONAL CUTS THEY WANT TO SUGGEST OR YOU HAVE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BUDGET, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING ON THE 23RD. I DON'T THINK IT IS TO HAVE A SECOND DEBATE ON WHAT WE HAVE SAID IN

TWO DAYS OF WORKSHOPS. >> FUNDAMENTALLY WHILE WE ALL HAVE DESIRED AREAS AND WHATNOT I DON'T THINK WE CAN GIVE THE MAYOR CUTS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE FORMAL BUDGET. I GUESS FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT UNTIL THERE IS A REAL BUDGET, I GUESS WE CAN DO THIS LIKE DRAFT, PLAY IN A PRETEND WORLD BUT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT IS SUBMITTED AS THE FORMAL BUDGET UPLOADED WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING, WE ARE PLAYING WITH CRAYONS.

>> THAT'S WHY I HOPE IF THERE WAS A CHANGE WE WOULD GET IT PRIOR TO THE MEETING. NOT UPLOADED, BUT HERE IS WHERE WE ARE GOING AND THEN IT WOULD BE SENT TO US A DAY OR SO IN ADVANCE WERE NOT WALKING IN THE MEETING TO GO OVER THE FIRST TIME.

>> IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE AND I THINK YOUR PREPAREDNESS, OUR PREPAREDNESS WORK REALLY WELL. I HAD A GOAL OF NOT RAISING MY VOICE I DON'T KNOW IF I DID. BUT I THINK THIS WENT REALLY

WELL. >> I AGREE, THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE TO GIVE THE MAYOR KUDOS, YOU WERE HERE AND THAT IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU KNOW THAT NOBODY ELSE DOES. SHAME ON ME I DID NOT RECOGNIZE THAT

EARLIER, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANY OTHER LAST COMMENTS.

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