[A. Call Meeting to Order]
[B. Pledge of Allegiance]
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>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 16 AND WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 16, 2020 FEET MEETING OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION, WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.
[C. Roll Call]
SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL >> BLAKE PRESENT CAMPAGNA PRESENT HILL PRESENT ZOCCOLA PRESENT WESTERMEIER BUCKLER
[D. Declaration of Quorum]
PRESENT MINNAAR PRESENT ADAIR PRESENT.[E. Approval of Minutes]
>> WE HAVE A QUORUM, NEXT IS APPROVAL OF AUGUST ADAIR
PRESENT. >> WE HAVE A QUORUM, NEXT IS APROVAL OF AUGUST 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES DO I
HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING AUGUST MINUTES? ANY OPPOSED, HEARING ON THOSE ARE PROOF, UP NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS CAN MEDICATION BILLS, EXPENDITURE AND LEGAL COUNCIL REPORT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO LEGAL COUNCIL.
[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]
>> I DID NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYTHING.
>> OKAY THANK YOU, NEXT REPORTS ANNOUNCEMENTS AND DEPARTMENT CONCERNS AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR DEPARTMENT.
>> THANK YOU, THE ONLY THING IS THE OUTCOME OF THE PROJECTS OF THE COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE THE HOMEPLACE SUBAREA PLAN DISCUSSED AND CONTINUED TO TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 30 AND THEN THE COULD YOU 31 SUBAREA PLAN COMP PLAN AMENDMENT ALSO DISCUSSED AND CONTINUED UNTIL TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 30 MEETING. WE HAVE NO
[H.1. Docket No. PZ-2025-00162 PP/DP: Jackson’s Grant Village Section 3]
OTHER AGENDA ITEM ADJUSTMENT SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, NEXT IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING AND WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING SO I WILL READ THIS INTO THE RECORD. IT IS DOCKET NUMBER PC 2025-00162, PRIMARY PLAT DEVELOPMENT PLAT JACKSON'S GRAND VILLAGE SECTION 3. APPLICANT SIX PRIMARY PLAT AND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL TO SUBDIVIDE PARCEL INTO TOWN HOME LOTS AND REARRANGE PART OF JACKSON'S GRAND VILLAGE SECTION 2 TOWNHOMES SITE LOCATED NORTHWEST CORNER OF 116 STREET AND SPRINGVILLE ROAD ZONE TO JACKSON GRAND VILLAGE SPACE 2 PUD. THIS IS FILED BY BRIAN ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF HOMES BY MCKINSEY OWNER SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE PETITIONER TO PRESENT THIS PETITION.
JUST TURN THE LIGHT ON TO MAKE SURE THE MIC IS WORKING AND
PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> THERE WE GO ALL RIGHT. HELLO MY NAME IS JOHN MCKENZIE. I THINK I HAVE BEEN APPEAR BEFORE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL, THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TONIGHT I AM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY NOW AND I WILL BE THE DEVELOPER AND THE BUILDER OF THE PROPERTY , IF APPROVED. THE HISTORY WITH THE JG VILLAGE WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 17, 2020. AT THE TIME THE 1.32 ACRES KNOWN AS THE CUNNINGHAM PROPERTY WAS NOT INCLUDED. WE BROUGHT THE CUNNINGHAM PROPERTY IN FOR REZONING AND RECEIVED UNANIMOUS ZONING APPROVAL ON MARCH 3, UNANIMOUS ZONING APPROVAL ON MARCH 3, 2025 FROM CITY COUNCIL. OUR VISION IS PRESENTING CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PARCELS TO CONTINUE THE SAME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND ARCHITECTURAL TOWNHOME UNITS AS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED IN THE PREVIOUS SECTIONS OF JG VILLAGE.
SUBMITTED SITE PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOLLOWS APPROVE PUD CONCEPT PLAN PASSING INSTRUCTION PLANS. WE HAVE RECEIVED OUR FIRST ROUND OF COMMENTS FROM STAFF AND ARE WORKING WITH PLANNING AND ENGINEERING TO RESOLVE ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE COMMISSION SEND US TO THE COMMITTEE AND PROVIDE COMMITTEE WOULD PLAN ON FINAL PLANNING VOTING AUTHORITY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PETITION?
SEEING NONE. >> THANK YOU, FOR THE RECORD ALEXIA LOPEZ DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR PRIMARY PLAT AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS SECTION OF JACKSON GRAND VILLAGE INCLUDING NINE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TOWNHOMES REARRANGING AND 12 NEW TOWNHOMES
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ON THIS ADDITIONAL PIECE OF COPPER TEA. SITE PLAN DOES FOLLOW THE CONCEPT PLAN IN THE APPROVED PUD , VEHICULAR ACCESS IS MAINLY PERVADED THROUGH ALLEYS LEADING TO GARAGES ON THE REAR OF THE TOWNHOMES AND MOST OF THE SPACE IS COMMON AREA AND DO NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE STREET. BECAUSE OF THIS ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS REQUESTING THE ALLEYS BE WIDER AT 20 FEET SPECIFICALLY F AND G SINCE THOSE LOTS DO NOT HAVE ACCESS FROM THE PUBLIC STREET. SIDEWALKS ARE PROVIDED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND CONNECT TO THE EXISTING PROPOSED SIDEWALKS AT JACKSON'S GRAND VILLAGE AND IT WILL BE INSTALLING A 10 FOR ASPHALT PATH ON 116TH STREET, HOWEVER WE HAVE REQUESTED ADA ACCESSIBLE ROUTE FROM THAT PATH ON 116TH STREET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW THEY SHOW SEPARATE STAIRS TO CONNECT TO THE 116TH STREET PATH. WE HAVE REQUESTED ADA ACCESSIBLE ROUTE INSTEAD, THEY'RE PROPOSING 34 NEW PARKING SPACES WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT EAST OF THE TOWNHOMES AND ADJACENT TO BE APPROVED COMMERCIAL AREA. SOME OTHER COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED INCLUDE THE ALLEYS, USUALLY, THEY'RE SHOWING INVERTED AND WE REQUIRE EITHER INVERSE SLOPE OR , A CROWN , CROWN OR TRANSVERSE SLOPE ALLEY WHICH HELPS WITH MAINTENANCE. BETTER BUILDING TECHNIQUE SO YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH WATER RUNNING TO THE MIDDLE WHICH THEN CAN LEAD TO DETERIORATION OR BREAKING UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ALLEY SO YOU HAVE REQUESTED TO FOLLOW THE CITY'S CROSS-SECTION FOR ALLEYS FOR THAT'S. ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS REQUESTED MONETARY COMMITMENT THE COST TO CONSTRUCT A FULL LANE WIDTH IN FRONT OF THE FRONTAGE NOT JUST THE PATH, BUT ALSO EXTENDING THE STREET TO ALLOW FOR A FULL LANE TO BE BUILT IN FRONT FOR THE THOROUGH FAIR PLAN. THE TOWNHOMES WILL FOLLOW PREVIOUS APPROVALS FOR THE ARCHITECTURE , FOR THE OTHER SECTION OF JACKSON'S GRAND VILLAGE SO WE WON'T NEED TO APPROVE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURE FOR THAT. PETITIONER DID SUBMIT LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE URBAN FORSTER IS REVIEWING THAT FROM THE SECOND ROUND OF SUBMITTAL.MOSTLY IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, THEY ARE PROVIDING THE 20 FOOT GREEN BELT IN FRONT OF THE TOWNHOMES ALONG 116TH STREET.
AND THEN THE PETITIONER SAY THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING GREEN OR SUSTAINABLE BUILDING PRACTICES WITH THE PROJECT. WE DO HAVE SEVERAL OUTSTANDING ITEMS FROM THE FIRST ROUND OF REVIEWS IN PROJECT DOCUMENTS AND WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THIS ITEM BE SENT TO THE SEPTEMBER 30 PLAN COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEETING FOR FURTHER REVIEW WITH COMMITTEE HAVING FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS MEETING AND WE WILL OPEN UP TO COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW PLAN COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS? JEFF. >> YEAH, STAFF TALKED ABOUT THE CONTRIBUTION FOR THE LANE ON 116 STREET. ON THE PLAT I DO NOT SEE RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATION MATCHING UP WITH RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATED PRIOR SECTIONS. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW YOU MIGHT ADDRESS THAT OR IS THERE SOMETHING GOING ON THERE?
>> I WILL HAVE BRIAN ROBINSON.
>> BRIAN ROBINSON. YES, THERE IS ENOUGH RIGHT-OF-WAY ALONG 116TH STREET FOR THAT CONTRIBUTION. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE PETITIONER AND ACTUALLY EXTENDING THAT LANE OUT TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE CONFIGURATION LOOKS LIKE AND WE WILL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU.
>> THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WILL BE DEDICATED? PART OF THE PLAN?
>> I BELIEVE, RIGHT BUT I BELIEVE WITH THE CUNNINGHAM PROPERTY THERE IS ENTRANCE ON ONE THING THOSE RIGHT-OF-WAY'S TOGETHER DEDICATE THE EXISTING AND I THINK IT PROVIDES ENOUGH RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THAT EXTENSION.
>> GOTCHA. >> YES. MEETINGS, MEETINGS, MEETINGS. SO WITH THE ADA COMPLIANCE IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I'M HOPING YOU WILL PUT IT IN THERE.
>> WE HAVE DONE THE BEST WE CAN. I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
WE HAD TO GO TO PUT SANITARY SEWER TO WORK. WE ARE SETTING UP THREE FEET FROM THE EXISTING . I'M THINKING MAYBE WE CAN DO A
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SWITCHBACK IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT A SWITCHBACK IS WE CAN POSSIBLY DO SWITCHBACK THROUGH THERE AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ENGINEERING AND STAFF TO GET THIS FIGURED OUT. I DON'T KNOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO BOTH SECTIONS BECAUSE THERE'S TWO CONNECTIONS TO THE PAST, BUT I THINK WE CAN WORK OUT.>> DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT? I DON'T HAVE MY COMPUTER WITH ME. DO YOU GUYS HAVE A DIAGRAM OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OUT OF CURIOSITY? CAN YOU SHOW IT?
>> HANG ON ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
>> I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE YOUR BEST.
>> CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE THE TWO SPOTS ARE WHERE THE ADA
RAMPS WOULD BE? >> IT WOULD BE RIGHT THERE.
THESE ARE STEPS COMING DOWN TO THE EXISTING PATH. AND THEN STEPS HERE COMING DOWN TO THE NEW PATH. SO, WE COULD POSSIBLY DO A SWITCHBACK, BACK THROUGH HERE. THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EXISTING UTILITIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. GOING TO BE HARD TO DO A SWITCHBACK THROUGH THERE. WE CAN WORK OUT SOMETHING OVER ON THE SITE.
>> I DON'TKNOW WHAT A SWITCHBACK IS.
>> ADA RAMP MAXIMUM 5.88% SO IT WOULD BE BACK AND FORTH WITH A HANDRAIL. YOU CAN ONLY GO AT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE STEPS. I WANT TO SAY WE ARE THREE OR FOUR FEET FROM WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS ON THE BUILDING WHERE THE PATH WOULD BE.
>> THIS EXHIBIT YOU'VE GOT HERE NOTES I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS, STOP SIGNS AND IF ENGINEERING OR OTHERS HAVE REQUESTED THOSE I'M NOT TRYING TO UNDO THAT, BUT YOU HAVE STREET NAME SIGNS AT THE INTERSECTION BUT I DID NOT SEE STREET NAMES ON THE PLAT ARE THOSE TO BE DETERMINED OR HOW
DID THAT WORK? >> WORKING ON THE STREET PLANET HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS IN CARMEL. THE ADDRESS ALSO , WE WORKING WITH THEM FOR ADDRESSES. PREVIOUS SECTIONS OF JACKSON'S GRANT IT WAS PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THOSE TO BE ADDRESSED SO STILL WORKING WITH THE ADDRESS. WHAT IS THAT GENTLEMAN SAME?
>> DAVE MCCOY. >> WE ARE WORKING WITH HIM FOR
STREET NAMES AND ADDRESSES. >> WITH REGARD TO THE 20 FOOT ALLEYS, ANY PROBLEMS MAKING THE WIDER ALLEYS?
>> I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE 20 FOOT WIDE. THEY NEED 20 FEET TO GET THE OPERATORS OUT, WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW MORNING AT 10:30 AND RESOLUTION WILL BE THERE WILL BE 20 FOOTERS.
>> OKAY GREAT, GOOD TO HEAR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AND SIZE OF THE APPARATUS. PUBLIC SAFETY
FIRST. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.
>> I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING WE DON'T DO A GOOD JOB OF PROMOTING WHAT WE PUT IN THE TOWNHOMES BUILDING WAS BECAUSE WE DO SOME GREEN BUILDING TECHNIQUES AND AGING IN PLACE IN THE TOWNHOMES AND WANTED TO BRING UP SOME OF THEM, WE USE LED LIGHT. WE USE TANKLESS WATER HEATERS, WE USE LOW-ENERGY GLASS IN ALL WINDOWS. PRACTICE AND WE HAVE DONE TWO SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF AND WE OFFER THAT AS AN OPTION SO A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT. WE USE FOAM INSULATION INSTEAD OF STANDARD FIBERGLASS, INTERIOR DOORS ARE THREE FEET WIDE WHICH HELPS GETTING THROUGH THOSE IF YOU HAVE EVER GOT ANY KIND OF EQUIPMENT. WE HAVE ELEVATORS TO THE THIRD AND SECOND FLOOR WITH
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NO THRESHOLD SHOWERS IN THE PRIMARY BATHROOM AND THE GARAGE ENTRY . WE OFFER THE OPTION IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BE ON THE MAIN LEVEL, THEY CAN HAVE THE PRIMARY BEDROOM AND BATH ON THE MAIN LEVEL. WE AS ELECTRIC FIREPLACES ON THE MAIN LEVEL AND GAS ON THE THIRD LEVEL SO THEY ARE NOT WOOD BURNING FIREPLACE IS. A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP WE SHOULD DO A BETTER JOB OFTELLING PEOPLE WHAT WE DO. >> I APPRECIATE THAT, THOSE ARE NICE ADS AND I JUST HAD MY WATER HEATER BREAK THIS MORNING SO NOW I KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE AND HOW NICE THE TANKLESS WATER HEATERS ARE SO THAT IS NICE TO HAVE. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> I'M HAVING A TOUGH TIME ENVISIONING THIS ACCESS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TO THE WEST. WALK ME THROUGH THAT AGAIN. FAR SOUTHWEST UNIT WE HAVE A THREE FOOT GREAT ELEVATION DIFFERENCE FROM WHERE THE PATH IS AND WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
>> IF YOU'RE BUILDING AGING IN PLACE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO USE THE PATH IF THEY CAN'T GET UP AND DOWN THE STEPS. YEAH. I UNDERSTAND. DON'T GET ME WRONG BY THE WAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THOSE GREEN THINGS FOR THE TOWNHOMES THAT'S AMAZING. IF YOU'RE BUILDING FOR AGING IN PLACE I CAN IMAGINE IT WILL NOT USE THE PATH IN FRONT OF THEIR HOME. GUESS.
>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN WHY THE GRADE IS CHANGING BECAUSE TO THE WEST THAT'S NEW BUT THAT IS LOWER THAN THE SITE, BUT NOW
THEY ARE THE SAME LEVEL? >> PLEASE STEP UP TO THE
MICROPHONE. >> SANITARY SEWER BY STANDARDS THEY WILL LET ME GET BY WITH FOUR FOOT OF COVER WITH SANITARY SEWER. BUT THE STANDARD IS 6 1/2 FEET. I THINK I'M SITTING AT FIVE FEET, SO THAT'S APPROVED BY COVER, BUT IN ORDER TO GET TO THE FIVE FEET WE HAD TO FILL UP THE SIDE WITH DIRT HAD TO COME ABOVE THE EXISTING GRADE JUST TO GET THE SANITARY SEWER.
>> SO THERE'S NO OTHER OPTION OTHER THAN SWITCHBACK?
>> I DON'T THINK THERE IS. NO. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS
EVENING? >> IF POSSIBLE WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR COMMITTEE BRING A PICTURE OF WHAT THE SWITCHBACK WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THAT WOULD BE OKAY AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER SO I WILL RELY ON YOU AND YOUR EXPERTISE AND JEFF A LITTLE BIT,
JEFF IS SHAKING HIS HEAD. >> AND YOUR WONDERFUL ENGINEERS
ON STAFF. >> THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT WE ADORE THEM. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND REALLY DISAPPOINTED YOU CANNOT PUT ADA ON THE CORNER , WISH THERE WERE A WAY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. AGAIN IT'S JUST YOU'VE GOT YOUR BUILDING FOR A CERTAIN AGE GROUP AND THEY WILL USE THE PATH AND PEOPLE WHO RIDE MOTOR SCOOTERS, MOTORIZED SCOOTERS OR HAVE A WALKER YOU KNOW AGING IN PLACE REQUIRES AGING IN PLACE AROUND YOU AS WELL WHICH IS PART OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RENDERING FROM 116 STREET , TO WHAT YOU DESCRIBED. IF YOU HAVE A VISUAL OF WHITES ELEVATED HERE ONE NEEDS TO BE ELEVATED WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MISSOURI BLOOD IN US SHOW ME HOW THAT IS GOING TO LOOK I THINK THAT WOULD BE
HELPFUL. >> I CAN DO A CROSS-SECTION FOR
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QUESTIONS, IF NOT I WILL TAKE A MOTION.>> MOTION TO MOVE TO COMMITTEE WITH FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY.
>> MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS DOCKET TO THE COMMITTEE GIVING THE COMMITTEE FINAL VOTING AUTHORITY PLEASE SAY . MANY A POST? WE WILL SEE YOU AT THE COMMITTEE SEPTEMBER WE WILL SEE YOU AT THE COMMITTEE SEPTEMBER 30. SO WE WILL SEE YOU THEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS OR NEW
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