Sep 30, 2025 Carmel Plan Commission

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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEETING FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025. THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS DOCKET NUMBER PC 2025 000191 80.

[1. Docket No. PZ-2025-000191 ADLS Amend: Commons at City Centre – Siding Replacement]

THE APPLICANT SEEKS APPROVAL TO REPLACE SITING ON THE EXTERIOR OF THEIR CONDO BUILDING.

THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 451 AMERICAN WAY. IT IS ZONED C-1 CITY CENTER.

FILED BY TIM LIMA LIMA. MY APOLOGIES. HOA TREASURER.

YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY, GREAT.

GOOD EVENING TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMMITTEE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING IN CONSIDERATION OF OUR SITING REQUEST.

MANY YEARS AGO, I WAS ACTUALLY IN YOUR POSITION OVER IN A NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY.

FIRST TIME IN THIS POSITION, SO I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS.

I KNOW DOUG, AND HE'S GIVING ME A HARD TIME ABOUT THAT A LITTLE EARLIER, BUT MY NAME IS TIM LEMA.

SINCE SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, I'VE BEEN THE TREASURER FOR THE COMMONS AT CITY CENTER HOA ORGANIZATION.

MY WIFE AND I PURCHASED IN THERE APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF THIS PETITION, IF YOU WILL, OR SUBMISSION. RACHEL BURTON, OUR PRESIDENT. JOAN CHAMPAGNE, OUR NEW SECRETARY ON THE BOARD ELIZABETH ROGERS, OUR HOA ATTORNEY. AND THEN I'VE GOT JOE ZIEGLER.

IF YOU WANT TO SHOW YOUR GRAPHICS, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT THEM THERE AND THEY'LL BE ON THAT SCREEN BACK THERE.

OKAY, GREAT. WELL, WHEN THEY COME BACK, I WILL PUT THEM THERE THEIR.

AND DON HICKS FROM ALL SIDE. WHO'S WHO'S THE SUPPLIER OF THIS PRODUCT BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO TO DON TO GO INTO SOME MORE DETAILS OF THE PRODUCT SPECS. I JUST WANT TO HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS.

YOU KNOW, VERY LITTLE OF THE AREAS. THANK YOU.

SIR. THAT THAT THE SIDING IS ON ARE REALLY VISIBLE EXTERNAL TO THIS COMMUNITY.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE RETENTION POND.

THE FIRST PICTURE IT'S REALLY SOME GABLES A LITTLE BIT ON THE ON THE PORCHES OR BALCONIES.

AND THEN FROM THE THIRD AVENUE KENT BUILDING BLOCKS A BIG PORTION OF THIS, BUT YOU CAN SEE VERY LITTLE OF THE SIDING.

OKAY. THERE. OKAY. SO THIS IS FROM ACROSS THE RETENTION POND.

THAT'D BE LOOKING WEST. THIS IS A CLOSE UP OF THE BUILDING.

YOU CAN SEE JUST A LITTLE BIT IN THE GABLES HERE, A LITTLE BIT ON THE ON THE BALCONIES.

THIS IS AGAIN FROM REALLY THE COMMON, THE GREENS I GUESS, OR CARMEL GREENS.

YOU CAN SEE THE GABLES UP HERE WHERE THE SIDING.

BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT LARGE BUILDING THAT IS RIGHT ON THE REFLECTING POND IS ALL BRICK ON THE FRONT AND BOTH SIDES OF THAT BUILDING. THIS ONE DOWN HERE, THIS IS THE KENT BUILDING HERE.

YOU'RE LOOKING BACK TOWARD WHAT WE CALL THE BOWL AREA, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE MOST OF THE SIDING WILL BE ON.

I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THAT IN A MOMENT. BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T EVEN SEE THAT BOWL AREA BECAUSE THE KENT HAS SOME GARAGES BACK HERE THAT THAT BLOCK.

ANY VIEW FROM, FROM THIRD AVENUE? THIS IS FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF OURS.

THEY CAN SEE SOME OF THE SIDING ON ONE OF THE TOWNHOME BUILDINGS THERE, BUT THIS IS THE BOWL AREA WHERE A LARGE PORTION OF THE SIDING OBVIOUSLY WILL GO OKAY, BUT IT'S INTERNAL TO THE OVERALL COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW WHY? WHY ARE WE DOING IT? THIS IS THE STATE OF OUR CURRENT SIDING.

CEMENT SIDING. AND SOME OF THESE PICTURES ARE OF AREAS THAT WERE PATCHED OR REDONE.

SIDING REPLACED NOT TOO LONG AGO, FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS, SOMETHING, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

AND THEY'VE COME APART, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH PUTTING CEMENT SIDING ON.

THEY CHANGED THE SPECS ON HOW YOU INSTALL IT EVERY YEAR SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WARRANTIES DON'T APPLY AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, BUT THAT WILL GO INTO ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THAT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY IT'S IN IN NEED OF BEING REPLACED IN THE GUTTERS AS WELL.

WE ARE REDOING OKAY. SO AGAIN, THE PROPOSED SIDING PRODUCT WE BELIEVE IS SUPERIOR TO THE CEMENT SIDING. IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS EXPENSIVE TO INSTALL 100,000 FOR OUR SMALL COMMUNITY.

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THE ESTIMATE I'VE GOTTEN IS 30,000 OR SO A YEAR WHEN YOU WHEN YOU AVERAGE THE COST TO REPAINT THE OTHER.

SO THIS PRODUCT WILL LOOK NICER LONGER, NOT ONLY FOR OUR COMMUNITY, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE IN THE AREA AS A WHOLE.

THIS PRODUCT ALSO HAS A 30 YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY AND WILL PROVIDE ENERGY EFFICIENCY TO THE RESIDENTS.

AT OUR ANNUAL HOA MEETING LAST WEEK, WHICH WE HAD JUST LAST WEEK, WE ASKED ALL THOSE PRESENT.

THERE WERE 29 RESIDENTS OR UNITS REPRESENTED AT OUR MEETING OUT OF 39 UNITS, AND EVERYONE SIGNED THIS PETITION. WELL, ACTUALLY, THERE'S 28 SIGNATURES ON THIS PETITION AND I CAN SEND IT AROUND.

BUT IN SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS SITING SELECTION, THE COMMUNITY HAS HAD ITS CHALLENGES AND PROPERLY MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY, BUT THE CURRENT BOARD IS VERY COMMITTED TO IMPROVING THIS PROPERTY AND BRINGING IT BACK UP TO THE STANDARDS OF THE AREA. THIS PRODUCT HELPS US DO THAT COST EFFECTIVELY, SO THAT WE CAN ALSO DO ADDITIONAL PROJECTS WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY TO BETTER NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE OVERALL AREA OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

OKAY. SOME OTHER THINGS WE'VE DONE HERE IN THE LAST YEAR.

WE'VE LEVELED THE SIDEWALKS, CAULKED AND REPAIRED IT.

IN FACT, I THINK WE USED THE CITY OF CARMEL'S VENDOR FOR THAT, FOR THAT WORK.

WE HAD AN ENGINEERING STUDY OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

WE'VE GOT SOME WALL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THAT BRICK RETAINING WALL THAT'S REALLY RIGHT ON THAT REFLECTING POND NEEDS A LOT OF BRICK RELATED WORK AND SOME DRAINAGE WORK BEHIND IT THAT THAT WE HAVE ON THE SLATE TO DO. AND IN THE BUDGET TO DO NEXT YEAR PENDING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE ADDITIONAL HUNDRED K THIS YEAR SIDING AND GUTTERS, YOU KNOW, REPLACING ALL THE LIGHT FIXTURES AS PART OF THIS THIS PROJECT WE'VE GOT AREAS IN THE ROAD AROUND THE DRAINAGE THAT NEED TO BE FIXED.

ALL THINGS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PLATE IN ADDITION TO THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD AND BETTER THAT OVERALL AREA.

SO WE KINDLY, YOU KNOW, OUR REQUEST FOR YOU THIS EVENING IS TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST TO INSTALL THIS PROPOSED SIDING.

I WILL TURN IT OVER NOW, UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS TO ME TO TO AL OR.

SORRY, DON OF ALL SIDING FOR TO GO OVER MORE SPECIFICS.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME? YOUR ENTIRE JUST.

AND I DIDN'T MAKE THIS CLEAR. YOUR ENTIRE PRESENTATION IS LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES.

SO HAVE EVERYONE GO THROUGH WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SAY, AND THEN WE'LL JUST ADDRESS IT AS A WHOLE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. NOW. I'M DON HICKS. WE ARE THE MANUFACTURER OF SIDING. THE SIN SIDING HAS BEEN OUT SINCE 2000 OR 20.

YEAH, 2021, 2021. IT WON THE IBM AWARD FOR THE BEST NEW INNOVATIVE PRODUCT CONSTRUCTION ON THE MARKET, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER AWARDS THAT I CAN GET TO IF WE HAVE TIME.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS ABOUT US, COMPARED TO THE PRODUCT THAT'S ON THEIR CLASS IS FIRE RATING.

THIS WON'T SPREAD TO THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT OR WON'T.

IT'S NOT PLAYING. THE OTHER PRODUCT WILL. FEATURES AND BENEFITS.

IT'S MADE OUT OF GRAPHITE, GLASS, POLYMERS AND THE GP TECHNOLOGY OR THE OTHER PROJECTS MADE OUT OF CEMENTITIOUS PRODUCTS AND ALL THE TRIMS MADE OUT OF WOOD. SO VERY COMBUSTIBLE WITH WOOD.

THE APPEARANCE IS A REAL REALISTIC WOOD THAT OFFERS A TRUE EDGE AND VISIBLE DEPTH THAT LOOKS LIKE THE TRUE FIBER CEMENT, OR THE LP THAT WE'RE EMULATING WITH A LOT LESS MAINTENANCE FREE THOSE YOU HAVE TO PUT UP EVERY TIME YOU MEET A PANEL TOGETHER, YOU HAVE TO PUT METAL BEHIND IT, SO WHEN WATER BLOWS IN, IT RUNS OFF AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COUGH THAT OURS IS A SEAMLESS THING.

33% LESS SEAMS ON THE HOME. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE EXTRA STEPS.

FIBER CEMENT. YOU HAVE TO USE CERTAIN TOOLS TO CUT IT LIKE A DIAMOND TIP BLADE.

REASON BEING IS BECAUSE THE PRODUCT IS. AND THEY CURRENTLY HAVE SEVERAL LAWSUITS IN CALIFORNIA FROM CUTTING THAT ON THE PRODUCT.

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IT WON'T SPREAD FROM HOME TO HOME IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT IS SOMEWHAT CLOSE.

IT'S VERY STRONG. IT HAS A WIND RATING OF 180 MILES AN HOUR BEFORE IT WILL BLOW OFF.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING. GO ON. YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THE WALL DOWN THE STREET WITH OUR SIDING STILL ATTACHED TO IT.

SIDING IS NOT GOING TO COME OFF THE WALL. IT'S A THERMAL RESISTANCE.

THE OTHER ONE'S JUST A SOLID CEMENT OR WOOD PANEL.

THIS IS A PANEL. WE PUT A QUARTER INCH OF FOAM ON THE BACK OF IT THAT GIVES YOU AN R2 VALUE, SO THE WHOLE RESIDENCE WILL BE WRAPPED IN THAT FOAM.

SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE SETTING YOUR HOME DOWN INSIDE AN IGLOO COOLER.

SO IT GIVES YOU A LOT OF INSULATION WITH THE FOAM ON THE BACK OF THE PRODUCT HAS NO INSULATION OR R FACTOR AT ALL THAT HAS AN R2 VALUE ON IT, MAINTENANCE FREE. HERE YOU CAN GO OUT HERE AND WASH IT OFF WITH THE HOSE.

IT'S CLEAN. THE OTHER PRODUCT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAINT EVERY 7 TO 10 YEARS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CAULK IT ABOUT EVERY 5 TO 10 YEARS.

THIS PRODUCT'S ANNUAL MAINTENANCE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, TAKE CARE OF A PRODUCT LIKE THIS IS ABOUT $2,900 A YEAR.

THE OTHER PRODUCT IS ABOUT $3,100, ABOUT $31,000 A YEAR.

YOU HAVE TO PAINT. YOU HAVE TO CAULK. IF ANY OF THAT GETS WET, IT ABSORBS SOME, ABSORBS THE WATER.

IF THE PAINT'S CHIPPED OFF OR ANYTHING, IT STARTS TO SWELL, AS YOU CAN SEE IN HIS PICTURES, WHERE IT'S SWELLING AND DILAPIDATING LIKE THAT, SO IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR THE RESIDENTS.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PAY PAINTING CHARGES AND CAULKING AND MAINTENANCE ON IT. SO IT'S FOR THAT COMMUNITY.

IT'S A LOT LESS MAINTENANCE FOR THEM. THE UPFRONT COST IS GOING TO BE LESS FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO DO OTHER PROJECTS TO BETTER THE COMMUNITY AND ITS APPEARANCE, AND ALL FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL AS WELL. LONGEVITY LASTS LONGER LIFESPAN IN HARSH CONDITIONS BECAUSE THE RESISTANCE OF OF WEATHER MOISTURE FADING FIRE WARRANTIES SUGGESTS LONG TERM DURABILITY.

REAL WORLD DATA IS LIKE EMERGING SINCE IT NEVER HAD, SINCE NEVER HIGH UPFRONT COSTS.

IT'S A NEWER FOR FEWER DECADES. LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN OUT SINCE 2001.

YOU GOT IT IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN FLORIDA, NORTH CAROLINA, MICHIGAN AND CHICAGO.

SO IT'S BEEN OUT THERE AND BEEN TESTED, AND WE'RE HAVING ZERO ISSUES AT ALL WITH THE PRODUCT.

THE OTHER PRODUCT THEY HAVE ON THE WALL GIVES YOU A 50 YEAR WARRANTY.

THIS HAS A LIFETIME WARRANTY. THERE'S ANY ISSUES AT ALL THAT'S GUARANTEED FOR THE LIFETIME OF THE PRODUCT.

SOME OF THE AWARDS THIS PRODUCT HAS WON OVER THE YEARS.

SIR. SO WE HAVE TWO MORE MINUTES. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE IN YOUR PRESENTATION.

IN 2021, IT WAS RECOGNIZED AS THE BEST NEW BUILDING PRODUCT ON THE MARKET 2021.

IT WAS ONE OF THE TOP 100 PRODUCTS, INNOVATIVE NEW PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET THAT WON CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS, OUTDOOR SYSTEM AND PRODUCTS CATEGORY FOR 2002.

BTL BUILDING DESIGN. IT WAS A BRONZE WINNER IN SUSTAINABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENT PRESERVATION RESIDENTIAL SUSTAINABLE DESIGN CATEGORY. GOLDEN HAMMER AWARD IN 2021. AWARD.

THE GOLDEN HAMMER AWARD HAVE A LONG TRADITION OF HONORING THE BEST OF THE BEST OF HOME IMPROVEMENTS.

THE 27 HONOREES WERE CHOSEN BASED ON THE CRITERIA OF INNOVATION, VALUE, LIFESTYLE.

SO I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR COMMUNITY WILL BE GETTING A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT THAN THE OTHER PRODUCT.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT LESS MAINTENANCE AND TAKING CARE OF THIS, THE OTHER PRODUCT.

OVER YEARS, IT'S GOING TO FADE, AND UNTIL THEY GET IT PAINTED, IT'S GOING TO LOOK FADED AND NOT AS GOOD.

THIS WILL NOT FADE. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE APPEARANCE THE WHOLE TIME YOU HAVE IT.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT FADING PERIOD FOR A COUPLE MONTHS UNTIL THEY GET A PAINTER OUT THERE TO SATISFY YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO THE DEPARTMENT, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, RACHEL KEESLING, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.

SAYS I THINK THE PETITIONER WENT OVER THEIR REQUEST PRETTY WELL.

THEY HAVE CITING THAT IS IN DISREPAIR AND THEY NEED TO REPLACE IT.

THEY HAD EVALUATED MANY DIFFERENT KINDS, AND THIS IS THE KIND THAT THEY CHOSE THAT THEIR COMMUNITY WANTS TO PUT UP FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, AS THEY DISCUSSED BECAUSE IT'S ZONED C-1 CITY CENTER ZONING.

WE DID NOT FEEL THAT WE COULD ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE THIS CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL THAT WAS APPROVED WHEN THE BUILDING

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AND THE MATERIAL THEY WANT TO DO NOW IS A COMPOSITE, AND THEY'VE GONE OVER THE THE MECHANICS OF IT, WHAT IT'S MADE OF. BUT IN FEELING IT, IT, IT DID HAVE A FEEL OF VINYL SIDING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A VINYL, IT'S A PLASTIC OF SOME KIND. I'M SURE IT WILL DO.

GREAT. FOR THEIR BUILDING. IT. THERE IS NO SPECIFIC PROHIBITION AGAINST THIS TYPE OF SIDING OR VINYL SIDING AT ALL IN THE UDO. SO THIS IS THAT'S WHY WE FELT IT BEST TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS DIFFERENT MATERIAL THAT THEY WANT TO USE. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION THAT IT WOULD BE PLACED IN, IN SMALLER LOCATIONS. AS HE SHOWED ON THE PICTURES, LIKE THE, THE GABLES IN THE FRONT, AND THEN IT'S MOSTLY CONTAINED TO THE BACK. AND YOU, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THE BACK FROM THIRD AVENUE OR FROM THE REFLECTING POND OUT IN FRONT OF IT. SO WE THINK THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD SPOT FOR THE MATERIAL TO BE TRIED AND SEE IF IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SUPPORT.

SO THOSE ARE THE REASONS AND THE THOUGHTS BEHIND WHY THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMITTEE. FIRST QUESTION AND I WON'T HOG THE MICROPHONE TONIGHT, I PROMISE.

WHY WASN'T THE CRC IN CHARGE OF MAKING THIS DECISION? IF A C ZONING, RIGHT. IS THIS ADMINISTRATIVE PIECE, WHY WOULDN'T IT HAVE GONE TO THEM? WE CONSULTED WITH THEM AND ASKED THEM FOR THEIR APPROVAL, AND THEY SAID THAT WE COULD HAVE THE APPROVAL.

LET US TAKE CARE OF IT. BRING IT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND LET YOU ALL DECIDE.

SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? CORRECT. OKAY.

YEAH. I JUST WONDERED JUST BECAUSE IF THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY.

BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE CENTRAL CORE. AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH THERE'S NOT.

ESPECIALLY WITH THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT DOWN THERE. THERE'S NOT MANY, VINYL SIDED OR OUTSIDE OF THE WHATEVER THIS IS.

I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. WHAT THE COMPOSITE IS. NOT THAT I'M OPPOSED TO THAT AT ALL.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS THEN SETS A PRECEDENT FOR OTHER SEASONED PROPERTIES TO THEN DO THE SAME THING ON A GRANDER SCALE.

I MEAN, WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR A REASON, SO I'M JUST ASKING WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS BEHIND THAT.

SURE. TIM. QUICK QUESTION. THE IT LOOKS LIKE THE PRODUCT IS IS CERTAINLY SUPERIOR TO WHAT'S OUT THERE THAT'S HAVING SOME TROUBLE.

WILL THE THE DIMENSIONS ON THE SPEC SHEET. AT THE HEIGHT THAT'S OUT THERE TODAY.

I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT WILL CHANGE THE LOOK AT ALL.

AND THEN ALSO CAN YOU SPEAK TO YOU HAVE THE PRODUCT PALETTE AND THE COLORS THERE.

ARE THE COLORS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT? THEY ARE.

YES, SIR. OKAY. I'M JUST WANTING TO FLESH OUT MAKING SURE THAT IT'S STILL A CONSISTENT LOOK, JUST A DIFFERENT PRODUCT. AND THIS COLOR IS THE ACTUAL COLOR THAT THEY HAVE TO SEE.

SO YES, HERE'S A SAMPLE OF THE COLOR WHICH CLOSELY MATCHES WHAT'S ON THERE TODAY.

AND I THINK THE PANEL SIZE IS THE SAME SEVEN INCH PANEL.

OKAY. IT'S THE EXACT SAME PROFILE AS WHAT'S ON THE ON THE HOUSE.

THEY HAVE AN EIGHT INCH, BUT THEY HAVE TO OVERLAP AT ONE INCH.

SO IT'S A SEVEN INCH REVEAL. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THIS IS A SEVEN INCH REVEAL.

GREAT. THANKS. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH. ONE OF THE PHOTOS THAT WE LOOKED AT INCLUDED WHAT LOOKED LIKE DETERIORATION OF A ROOFING PORTION. IS THAT PART OF WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING TODAY? THERE WAS THERE WAS A ROOFING SECTION THAT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS COLLAPSING.

YEAH. WELL, NO. NO, SIR. BUT IT'S A GUTTER THAT WILL BE REPLACED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANOTHER QUESTION. SO IN RELATION TO IT BEING COMPOSITE IF SOMETHING HITS IT LIKE A ROCK OR BECAUSE I HAVE HARDIPLANK ON MY HOUSE, IF IT HITS MY HARDIPLANK, IT DOESN'T CRACK IT, IT DOESN'T DAMAGE AND ALL THAT.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT WON'T LOOK DIMPLED, NOT DIMPLED, NOT CRACKED, NOT SPLITTING.

I THINK YOUR VOICE IS BEING PICKED UP BY THE MICROPHONE, BUT JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE STANDING RIGHT OVER IT JUST SO PEOPLE ONLINE CAN DEFINITELY HEAR IF YOU WANT TO TALK. YEAH, IT HAS A HIGHER IMPACT RATING THAN THE SMART SIDE ACTUALLY DOES.

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IS THIS PART OF IT. OKAY, SO IT'S JUST THIS INSIDE.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? IS THIS AN EDGE COMPOSITE CORNER? ALL RIGHT, SO THE SIDING GOES INTO HERE. GOT IT.

IT'S A J CHANNEL. NO, THERE IS NO J CHANNEL. OKAY, SO IT'S THE CORNER TO THE QUESTION ON THE OTHER PRODUCT, YOU HAVE TO PUT YOU HAVE TO PUT A J CHANNEL UP THERE AND THEN GO INTO THE BOARD THAT HAS THE J CHANNEL BUILT IN IT.

SO IT ELIMINATES A STEP FOR THE INSTALLER AND AN EXTRA PIECE OF PRODUCT.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, JEFF. COUNCILOR I IMAGINE IF ALL OF THESE PRODUCTS ARE ALLOWED, WHETHER IT'S VINYL COMPOSITE OR THIS STUFF, WE'RE NOT SETTING ANY TYPE OF PRECEDENT BY SUGGESTING TO ALLOW SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? WOW, YOU BUSTED ME THERE? THAT IS CORRECT. EVERY PROJECT IS UNIQUE, AND PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT EVERY PIECE OF A PROJECT, AND IT DOESN'T SET PRECEDENT. AND DON'T MISTAKE IT FOR VINYL.

IT'S DEFINITELY. WE'RE A BIG MANUFACTURER OF VINYL SIDING TOO.

WE HAVE VINYL SIDING MANUFACTURE. THIS IS A COMPOSITE, TOTALLY DIFFERENT REALM THAN VINYL SIDING.

AND THEN LEGAL COUNSEL. JUST SINCE I'M HERE, I'M TECHNICALLY NOT PART OF THIS COMMITTEE.

I'M HERE FOR THE SUBAREA PLANS. I CANNOT VOTE, OR CAN I VOTE ON THIS OR NO, SINCE I'M TECHNICALLY NOT PART OF THE COMMITTEE.

SINCE YOU ARE NOT TECHNICALLY PART OF THE COMMITTEE, NO.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. HOW WOULD YOU VOTE? THANK YOU. MA'AM. HAS IS THERE IN INSTALLATIONS THAT YOU'VE DONE OR IN BUILDINGS THAT YOU'VE INSTALLED THIS ON? HAS THERE BEEN A CHANGE, OR HAS THERE EVEN BEEN A LOOK AT WHAT THE IMPACT TO THE PROPERTY VALUE IS? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PUT VINYL SIDING ON A HOUSE, THE END PROPERTY VALUE IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU HAVE HARDIE BOARD.

VERY DIFFERENT. THIS PRODUCT HERE IS VERY COMPARABLE TO THE UPGRADE OF PUTTING ON FIBER CEMENT OR AN LP WOOD PLASTIC.

OKAY. DEFINITELY NOT A DEFINITELY NOT A VINYL.

IT'S NOT A NOT IN THAT CLASS. THERE'S DIFFERENT CLASSES.

AND THIS IS NOT THAT DOES NOT FALL IN THE VINYL CLASS.

YEAH OKAY I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. IS THIS PRODUCT INSTALLED ANYWHERE IN OUR VICINITY. IF WE COULD TAKE A PEEK AT CARMEL HAMILTON? YEAH. SOMEWHERE I CAN GIVE YOU AN ADDRESS. IT'S INSTALLED ALL OVER.

IT'S. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF IT ON RESIDENTIAL HOMES THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF CARMEL AND IN THIS AREA.

I COULD PROVIDE ADDRESSES, BUT YEAH, IT'S IT'S READILY ON LOTS OF WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT WORKS YOUR AREA CONSTANTLY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF IT IN THE CARMEL AREA.

YOU GUYS PROBABLY DON'T KNOW IT. YOU MAY THINK IT'S 5%, BUT WHEN YOU DRIVE BY IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT ACCUMULATION LOOK LIKE.

JUST LIKE THAT, WE EMULATE IT TO LOOK LIKE THAT PRODUCT.

BUT WE WANTED TO TAKE THE MAINTENANCE OUT OF IT. WE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO CAULK. WE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO PAINT.

SO WE TRIED TO MAKE THAT PRODUCT MAINTENANCE FREE FOR HOMEOWNERS.

THAT WAS OUR ADVANTAGE TO THE HOMEOWNER. IS IT CLASSIFIED AS VINYL? NO. SO IF I IF HOW WOULD WE DESCRIBE COMPOSITE CLADDING VERSUS VINYL SIDING.

THIS IS A THIS IS A CATEGORY CALLED COMPOSITE CLADDING.

IT'S MADE OUT OF GRAPHITE. IT'S MADE OUT OF ROCK, SAND AND MATERIALS.

NOTHING TO DO WITH POLYMERS AND VINYLS. OKAY.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION HERE? YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS CLEARLY AN UPGRADE FROM WHAT WE'RE PREVIOUSLY DOING OR CURRENTLY DEALING WITH.

SO I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT. WE APPROVE THIS I'LL SECOND.

AND JUST A VERY I JUST WANT TO IF I MAY MAKE A STATEMENT.

INITIALLY I WAS REALLY OPPOSED TO THIS MATERIAL, HAVING NOT SEEN IT AND HAVING NOT FELT IT.

AND BECAUSE I THOUGHT, WELL, GOSH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IN DOWNTOWN CARMEL.

WE HAVE REALLY HIGH STANDARDS, MEANING, YOU KNOW, HARDIPLANK THAT TYPE OF THING.

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SO HECK, I WISH I'D HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS ON MY HOUSE BEFORE I REPLACED IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. YEAH. CALL FOR THE QUESTION.

IT'S BEEN MOVED. AND SECOND, THAT WE APPROVED THIS PETITION.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. THIS MOVES FORWARD.

APPROVED. EIGHT. OH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

HAVE A NICE EVENING.

EXCUSE ME. SIR. SIR. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. OKAY. OKAY.

[2. Docket No. PZ-2025-00162 PP/DP: Jackson’s Grant Village Section 3]

DEVELOPMENT PLAN. JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE SECTION.

SECTION THREE. THE APPLICANT SEEKS PRIMARY PLAN DEVELOPMENT PLAN PLAT APPROVAL TO SUB DIVIDE A PARCEL INTO TOWNHOME LOTS AND REARRANGE PART OF JACKSON GRANT VILLAGE SECTION TWO TOWNHOMES.

THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 116TH AND SPRING MILL ROAD, AND IS ZONED JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE PHASE TWO PUD, FILED BY BRIAN ROBINSON WITH STALLWORTH ON BEHALF OF HOLMES BY MCKENZIE, THE OWNER.

AND I'M NEITHER OF THOSE. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS DOUG WAGNER. I'M WITH REPUBLIC DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE THE DEVELOPERS OF JACKSON'S GRANT. WE'RE WORKING WITH JOHN MCKENZIE ON THE INCLUSION OF THE CUNNINGHAM PROPERTY.

JOHN WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT. SO I TOLD HIM I WOULD STEP IN FOR HIM.

BRIAN ROBINSON WITH STEP ISLEWORTH AND ASSOCIATES IS HERE WITH ME TODAY.

IF WE REALLY HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN JOHN BROUGHT THIS FORWARD AS AT THE ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING WE WENT THROUGH ZONING FOR JACKSON'S GRANT A WHILE BACK THEN.

WE CAME BACK THROUGH WITH JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE IN 2020.

AT THAT TIME, THE CUNNINGHAM PROPERTY WAS NOT AVAILABLE.

WE MADE A COUPLE RUNS AT HER AND JUST WERE NOT ABLE TO GET HER TO SELL.

UNFORTUNATELY, SHE DID PASS AND THE FAMILY DID DECIDE TO GO AHEAD AND SELL.

AND JOHN WANTED TO, TO PURSUE IT, TO CONTINUE WITH HIS TOWNHOMES IN THE AREA.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID. WE WENT THROUGH ZONING AGAIN ON 2025, WHICH WAS RECENTLY APPROVED.

THIS IS AN OVERALL PHOTO HERE OF JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE.

THE CUNNINGHAM PIECE IS THIS LITTLE AREA THAT IS KIND OF LIGHTER AND BLUE IN COLOR.

WE'RE ADDING 12 UNITS IN THERE. SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH OR SUBMITTED ALL OF OUR PLANS TO STAFF.

WE'VE GOTTEN OUR FIRST COUPLE ROUNDS OF PROJECT COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING AND PLANNING PROBABLY THREE OF THE BIGGEST ONES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE ALREADY. I'LL PUT THIS UP. ONLY HAD ONE COPY OF THIS.

HOPEFULLY IT GOES THIS IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER SCALE, SO.

BUT LET ME GO A LITTLE FURTHER. START RIGHT THERE.

SO THIS IS 116TH STREET UP HERE AND THE PATHWAY ALONG 116TH STREET.

ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS DURING OUR PREVIOUS HEARING WAS THE ADA RAMPS.

AND WHEN WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE ORIGINAL JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE APPROVALS ENGINEERING HAD ASKED US TO ACCOMMODATE THE CUNNINGHAM PROPERTY ON ALL THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE SO THAT WHEN THAT PROPERTY DID COME IN FOR ZONING, ALL OF THE STORMWATER RETENTION AND DETENTION HAD ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE POND THAT WE BUILT.

AND SO WE DID DO THAT. BUT THE OUTFALL FOR THAT IS ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THIS THING DOWN HERE.

AND THEN AS WELL AS BRINGING THE SANITARY SEWER IN, IT REQUIRED US TO RAISE THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY QUITE A BIT, BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S DRAINING TO THE NORTH, BECAUSE OUR POND IS RIGHT HERE.

SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT 3 TO 5 FOOT OF FILL. SO PUTTING AN 80 RAMP IN THERE, ADA RAMP AS REQUESTED WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT.

AND WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME NICE LANDSCAPING THAT WAS REQUIRED DURING OUR ZONING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO IN THIS AREA.

SO WE DID COME UP WITH A DESIGN INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO OF THEM, ONE ON EACH END.

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WE'VE GOT A SET OF STEPS THAT GO STRAIGHT DOWN.

SO IT'LL BE QUICK AND EASY FOR FOLKS THAT JUST WANT TO WALK DOWN THE STEPS.

BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE A SWITCHBACK TYPE OF RAMP THAT YOU CAN GO DOWN AND TURN AROUND AND HAVE ACCESS OUT ONTO THE 116TH STREET PATHWAY. SO WE ARE ACCOMMODATING THAT THAT REQUEST.

AND AGAIN, WE MET WITH PLANNING AND ENGINEERING YESTERDAY AND THEY WERE ACCEPTING OF THIS DESIGN.

ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS WAS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS THE NEW DESIGN HERE WHERE WE HAVE AGREED TO GO AHEAD AND DO 20 FOOT ALLEYS ON THE ALLEYS.

SO WE HAVE MADE THAT IMPROVEMENT. AND THE OTHER BIG QUESTION WAS 20 FOOT BETWEEN BUILDINGS.

AND THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, WHICH WILL BE UPLOADED SOON.

WE JUST GOT THE PROJECT BACK FROM STAFF TO BRIAN TODAY.

SO HE HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REALLY RESPOND TO A LOT OF THINGS, BUT THIS WILL BE UPLOADED.

THIS IS THE PLAN THAT YOU WILL BE APPROVING OR ACCEPTING, BUT IT DOES SHOW 20 FOOT DIMENSIONS BETWEEN ALL BUILDINGS.

THE BIG ONE WAS RIGHT HERE. THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE WERE CONCERNED.

THIS IS AN EXIST. THIS IS FROM THE ORIGINAL PETITION.

BUT WE DO HAVE 20 FOOT. WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE ALL OF THAT WORK AS WELL.

SO THERE ARE STILL A COUPLE, 2 OR 3 OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF.

BUT THE MEETING THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY WENT VERY WELL.

WE THINK WE'RE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CHECKING WITH THEIR, YOU KNOW, SUPERIORS AS WELL AS JOHN IS CHECKING WITH A FEW FOLKS AS WELL.

BUT I THINK WE'RE WELL ON OUR WAY TO GETTING ALL OF THOSE ITEMS RESOLVED.

ONE OF THEM WAS THE TREE PRESERVATION AREA. I ACTUALLY MET WITH DARREN MINDEN TODAY OUT ON SITE, AND WE REVIEWED THE TREE PRESERVATION AREA AND CAME UP WITH A COUPLE IDEAS.

THERE ARE A FEW TREES THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOCATE AND SHOW ON THE PLANS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE SATISFY DESPITE DARREN'S WISHES IN THAT REGARD, TOO. SO WE'RE WELL ON OUR WAY IN GETTING THAT RESOLVED.

BUT WITH THAT I JUST REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THE FOR OUR PETITION SUBJECT TO A SATISFACTORY RESOLUTION WITH BOTH PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS AND ALL THE COMMENTS ON PROJECT DOCS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO TAKE THEM. THANK YOU.

DOUG. DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE, WE DID MEET WITH PETITIONER AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT SINCE OUR LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HERE, AND THEY HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OF OUR COMMENTS INCLUDING, AS DOUG SHOWED, THEY ADDED THE ADA RAMP FROM 116TH STREET TO CONNECT TO THAT PATH AND THEN TO GO IN WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEY INCREASED THE ALLEY WIDTH TO 20FT, WHICH WAS A REQUEST FROM FIRE TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET A FIRE TRUCK BACK THERE.

SINCE A LOT OF THESE DO NOT FRONT ON A PUBLIC STREET OR THE FIRE TRUCK WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT FROM THAT PUBLIC STREET.

THEY ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THEY WERE PART OF OUR MEETING YESTERDAY, AND BASED ON THAT MEETING, I THINK ENGINEERING IS COMFORTABLE WITH THEM MOVING FORWARD.

SUBJECT TO THOSE FINAL COMMENTS AND PROJECT DOCS.

I DON'T THINK THEY SEE ANYTHING MAJOR THAT WOULD CHANGE THE LAYOUT OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT.

SO IT'S MOSTLY JUST GOING THROUGH THE TECHNICAL DETAILS OF SOME OF THOSE THOSE COMMENTS.

AND SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL THIS EVENING CONDITIONED UPON FINALIZATION OF OF PROJECT DOCS COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMITTEE.

PROJECT, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL OF THE SUSTAINABILITY.

THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL ZONING OF JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE.

SO THAT IS IN THE PUD AS A UNIVERSAL DESIGN THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PUTTING BLOCKING IN IN ALL THE BATHROOMS SO THAT IF THEY DON'T WANT HANDRAILS NOW,

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THAT'S FANTASTIC. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GREAT JOB.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ASK A QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE A RENDERING ON ELEVATION SHOWING THE CHANGES, INCLUDING THE ADA RAMP BY CHANCE? NOT CRITICAL. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. NO, I'M SORRY, WE DON'T.

I GUESS I DON'T. NOT TO BE A DISSENTER HERE, BUT I THINK THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO THE GROUP.

AND I GUESS I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD WAIT ON VOTING PENDING JUST SEEING THE OUTCOME, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS SATISFACTORY.

HOWEVER, I GUESS WE CAN DEFER TO LETTING STAFF WORK WITH THE PETITIONER, BUT THAT DID SEEM LIKE AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT.

THE RAMP? YES. PUT IT BACK UP. WHAT WILL BE BETWEEN THE LOWER THE STREET SIDE OF THE RAMP AND THE STREET? SO THIS IS 116TH STREET OUT HERE. AND THIS IS THE ASPHALT TRAIL THAT GOES ALONG 116TH STREET.

SO. AND THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS. THERE'S A SIDEWALK HERE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS.

SO ORIGINALLY WE HAD STAIRS HERE AND STAIRS DOWN HERE.

AND AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS ON LANDSCAPING FOR THE PERIMETER BUFFERS THAT WERE AGREED TO DURING THE ORIGINAL ZONING.

SO TO PUT TWO LARGE SWITCHBACKS HERE AND HERE ARE REALLY GOING TO KNOCK OUT A LOT OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT WAS NEGOTIATED AND REQUIRED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL ZONING. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THIS WALKWAY, AS YOU COME OUT OF EACH ONE OF THESE TOWNHOMES, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET DOWN TO THIS WALK AND COME DOWN.

AND IF IF YOU AREN'T HANDICAPPED, THERE WILL BE A SET OF STAIRS.

I MEAN, JUST LIKE IT. I SORRY WE DON'T HAVE A PHOTO OR A REPRESENTATION, BUT IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO ANY HANDICAP RAMP THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES. BUT YOU'VE GOT STAIRS THAT GO DOWN AND THEN THIS WILL BE A FLAT PORTION HERE.

THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE WILL BE FLAT, AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TURN AND GO RAMP DOWN.

THIS PIECE WOULD BE FLAT, AND THEY'LL COME OVER AND RAMP BACK DOWN TO A FLAT PIECE, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE A SHORT LAST PIECE OF RAMP OUT ONTO THE ASPHALT TRAIL. SO IT'S OKAY. AND IT IS DESIGNED BY THE ENGINEERS TO MEET ADA STANDARDS.

SO I'M GOING TO AGREE A LITTLE BIT. SO WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHEN I THINK OF A RAMP STRUCTURE, MAYBE AT A SCHOOL YOU MIGHT SEE A RAMP WITH A YELLOW PAINTED STEEL RAIL THAT FOLLOWS ALONG THE PATH.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF A VISUAL ASPECT OF THIS THING? IS IT GOING TO BE BRICK? IS IT GOING TO BE. IT WILL BE CONCRETE.

CONCRETE, JUST LIKE THE CONCRETE WALKS UP ABOVE AND A CONCRETE RAMP UP THE RAILING.

WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S GOING JOHN'S GOING TO WANT IT TO BE HIGH END AND LOOKING GOOD. I IMAGINE IT WOULD BE LIKE A BLACK EITHER ROUND OR YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE DECORATIVE. IT DEPENDS ON HIM, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE OF A BLACK RAILING, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE RAILING ALONG THE EDGES ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE WHOLE THING. YEAH, I GUESS I GUESS I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT DECORATIVE THAT KIND OF MATCHES THE EXISTING DESIGN LANGUAGE FOR THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT. DON'T WANT A YELLOW RAIL NEXT TO A REALLY NICE DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK WE CAN. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT FOR JOHN THAT IT WILL BE BLACK, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE HE'S GOING TO DO IF IT'S SOMETHING, IT'S GOING TO BE CHROME OR IT'S GOING TO BE BRUSHED SOMETHING LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO LOOK REALLY NICE.

CAN WE GET THAT IN A COMMITMENT? JUST JUST TO MAKE JUST TO TO TO APPEASE THE CROWD.

YEAH. OR SOMETHING THAT WHERE THE DEPARTMENT STAFF WOULD SIGN OFF ON IT.

YEAH. IT'LL PROBABLY MATCH WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH WHAT THEY HAD PROPOSED FOR THE FRONT ENTRY.

WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY THE STEPS ORIGINALLY AND THAT WOULD HAVE HAD HANDRAILS. SO I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THAT.

AND WE CAN REVIEW THAT AND ASK THEM TO SUBMIT IT.

TO MAKE SURE IT WOULD LOOK GOOD WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. SORRY, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING ELSE, BUT ON THE WESTERN END HERE, THE PATH THAT KIND OF JUTS OFF AND UP IS THAT ANOTHER SIDEWALK THAT LEADS UP TO THE HERE.

OTHER SIDE. YEP. YES. THIS IS THE EXISTING ENTRANCE.

IS THAT IS THAT A RAMP DOWN ALSO FROM GRADE? NO, THAT'S.

WELL, THAT'S ALREADY DOWN TO GRADE. SO THAT'S OH THAT'S ABOUT.

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RIGHT. SO WILL THERE BE ANY LANDSCAPING EITHER TO THE EAST, WEST OR SOUTH OF THAT? UP TO THE STREET? YES. YES. I DID NOT ATTEND THE LAST MEETING, BUT I DID WATCH IT AND I THOUGHT SOMEONE ON THE COMMITTEE ASKED FOR A RENDERING OF 116TH STREET AND ALL OF THIS TO COME BACK TO THIS MEETING SO THAT WE COULD SEE IT, BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT STREET VISUAL.

116TH AND A LOT OF TRAFFIC. IF NOBODY ELSE REMEMBERS THAT, THEN I THINK YOU SAID IT.

THERE WAS A REQUEST. YEAH, THERE WAS AND I THINK THAT WAS I FEEL I PERSONALLY FEEL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO LOOK AT WHEN WE ASK FOR IT, AND I APOLOGIZE. I WAS NOT HERE AND I DID NOT I DID NOT GET THAT REQUEST.

I MEAN, THE LANDSCAPING THAT WAS REQUIRED WENT THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE, WENT THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND WAS VERY SPECIFIC LANDSCAPING THAT WAS REQUIRED ALONG THIS STRETCH, YOU KNOW. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN THIS GREEN STRIP RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S VERY EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING IN THERE TO SOFTEN THAT WITH A LOT OF.

I GUESS I'M JUST MORE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THE RAMP AND THE WHOLE VIEW.

YOU SAID THE ENTRANCE THERE. YOU KNOW, I'M ONE PERSON, BUT I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED THAT THAT DID NOT COME BACK BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS TONIGHT, AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE THE DRAWING.

SORRY, I DO APOLOGIZE. YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT YES, YOU WERE, AND I APOLOGIZE.

I COMPLETELY FORGOT THAT THAT WAS EVEN. I THINK I EVEN ASKED FOR A I THINK I EVEN ASKED FOR A RENDERING OF THE.

SO I GOT A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF MYSELF THERE. I'M HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS THINK IS RIGHT, SINCE I WAS ONE OF THE INSTIGATORS OF THAT. OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS RIGHT NOW? DOES STAFF FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH WITH WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE, AND WERE THAT IF WE GRANTED APPROVAL PENDING YOUR ISSUES BEING RESOLVED AT THAT.

YOU KNOW WHAT WE WANT. YES, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH LOOKING AT THE THE RAMP AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

AND THE HANDRAIL THERE. I THINK PART OF THE DISCUSSION ON THAT.

RENDERING THAT YOU WANTED WAS WHAT THAT GRADE CHANGE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND THAT ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS.

BUT THERE WILL BE LANDSCAPING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE RAMP.

AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT, THE HANDRAIL AS WELL TO SEE HOW THAT LOOKS.

AND WE CAN ASK FOR THEM TO SUBMIT SOMETHING IN PROJECT DOCS TO US TO REVIEW AS WELL.

I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST SEE THAT A DRAWING IN PROJECT DOCS AT A MINIMUM.

YEAH, AND THAT WILL ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL KEEP REVIEWING THIS UNTIL THEY GET EVERY COMMENT ADDRESSED. AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE'LL STAMP THOSE AND THOSE WILL GO IN LASERFICHE.

SO WE COULD HAVE THE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, LOOK WILL BE IN LASERFICHE ULTIMATELY TO FOR THE PUBLIC AND ANYBODY TO SEE.

OKAY. COULD YOU THEN NOTIFY US WHEN THAT IS AVAILABLE SO WE CAN SEND IT OUT.

WE WOULD KNOW WE WOULD BE PROMPTED TO GO. I DON'T SPEND MY DAYS BROWSING THROUGH PROJECT DOCS, BUT IF I RECEIVED AN EMAIL TO GO TO, GO LOOK AT IT, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. IT'S IN THERE. WE CAN PUT IT IN LASERFICHE AND SEND YOU THE LINK.

SO IF I'M HEARING CORRECTLY, WE'RE NOT. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE'RE READY TO FULLY APPROVE TONIGHT.

DOES THAT COME BACK TO FULL COMMISSION OR. IT WAS.

IT WAS RECOMMENDED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THIS CAN COME TO COMMITTEE FOR VOTING APPROVAL.

SO HERE WE ARE. WE CAN SEND IT BACK TO FULL PLANNING.

WE CAN MAKE A MOTION. ARE WE TALKING COMMITTEE IS A TWO WEEK DELAY.

I GUESS I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE. SEE A RENDERING.

RENDERING. AND BRING IT BACK TO FULL COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE ARE PROMOTING THIS COMING BACK TO FULL PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE'RE STILL LOOKING SUBJECT TO REMAINING OPEN ITEMS IN PROJECT DOCS, PLUS THE RENDERING OF 116TH STREET.

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OPPOSED? MOVES FORWARD EIGHT ZERO TO FULL PLANNING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY.

NEXT ITEM. THIS EVENING. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS DOCKET NUMBER 2025.

[3. Docket No. 2025-00126 CPA: Home Place Subarea Plan – Comprehensive Plan Amendment]

THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCORPORATE A NEW HOME PLACE SUBAREA PLAN FILED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION. PETITIONER.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ADRIAN KEELING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET. WE ARE. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU.

LET ME INTERRUPT YOU. WE ARE PLANNING TO SPEND UP TO AN HOUR, SO THAT WOULD BE 8 P.M.

ON THIS ITEM. HOWEVER, IT ENDS UP TONIGHT. SORRY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE CHECKING ON A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY WITH THE LAPTOP HOOKUP.

IF YOUR LAPTOP HOLDS ALL THE WAY DOWN, NOW I CAN SHOOT IT.

I CAN'T SWITCH OFF. OKAY. OFF OF THE DOCUMENT.

OKAY. OH, YOU GOT A TOUCH SCREEN HERE. IT'S CRUDE.

OKAY. OKAY, WELL, THIS IS TECHNOLOGY, RIGHT? SO I CAN.

I'LL TAKE THAT OUT. OKAY. EVERYTHING IS LOCKED WHERE IT WAS LEFT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WHERE ARE WE TO REMIND EVERYONE WHERE WE LEFT OFF.

WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE ON THE HOME PLACE PLAN, THE VERY INITIAL DRAFT THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN JULY.

AND IN THE MEETINGS LEADING UP TO THIS TO THIS MEETING, WE HAVE MADE IT THROUGH SECTIONS ONE, TWO AND THREE, AND WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO SECTION FOUR, THE SUBAREA PLAN.

SO IF YOU'RE READY FOR ME TO GET GOING, I'M I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

THIS IS PAGE 20 AND THIS IS. YES. THIS IS STARTING ON ON PAGE 20.

OKAY. SO THIS PAGE OUTLINES SOME KEY HOME PLACE OR HOME PLACE KEY INITIATIVES.

AND WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO READ? LET ME TRY TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.

YES. I THINK WE'LL JUST FOLLOW THE SAME FORMAT THAT WE DID THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.

THANK YOU, CHRISTINE, FOR SITTING IN FOR ME. AND JUST READ PAGE BY PAGE AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT.

OKAY. OKAY. BEAR WITH ME. LET ME I'M GOING TO GRAB MY HARD COPY SO I CAN READ FROM THAT.

MAYBE. OH, IT'S RIGHT HERE.

OKAY. HIGH ON THE LIST OF COMMUNITY SUPPORTED INITIATIVES IS IDENTIFYING AND ESTABLISHING A NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE, GREEN SPACE SLASH NATURE PARK THAT PROVIDES NATURALIZED TRAILS AND PASSIVE RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES.

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EXISTING VACANT PARCELS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE MAP AND UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES ARE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

THE FUTURE EUR 106. TRAIL PRESENTS AN EXCITING CONNECTIVITY OPPORTUNITY FOR HOME PLACE, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ONGOING COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE FORMER ORCHARD ORCHARD PARK SCHOOL SITE AND ANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO CONTRIBUTE.

INPUT IS HIGHLY DESIRED. AND THEN THIS MAP SHOWS A VARIETY OF.

IT SHOWS THE BUSINESS DISTRICT SHOWS THE BUSINESS DISTRICT OUTLINE THE ORCHARD PARK SITE, THE 100 106 REGIONAL TRAIL, AND THEN POTENTIAL POTENTIAL INFILL SITES THROUGHOUT VACANT PROPERTIES AND THEN THE NATURE, THE PROPOSED NATURE PARK AREA. THIS IS A COMMITTEE MEETING. ANYBODY CAN JUMP IN ANY TIME ON THIS.

JUST REAL QUICK. I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT JUST TO REMOVE THE REFERENCE TO CHARTER SCHOOL, RIGHT? SO WHAT DO YOU YOU JUST WANT IT ENTIRELY OUT AND NOT POTENTIAL.

JUST IT'S FINE TO SAY IT COULD POSSIBLY BE A LEARNING CENTER.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE SPECIFIC AND SAY IT'S A CHARTER SCHOOL AS AS I SAID.

AND THEN THE CURRENT QUOTED ME, THAT WAS WHEN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY CAME UP. THAT WAS NOT A UNIVERSALLY WELL RECEIVED IDEA.

SO RATHER THAN TAKING A POSITION IN A GOVERNMENT OR CITY OWNED DOCUMENT, LET'S LEAVE IT AT LEARNING SCHOOL OR PRESCHOOL OR SOMETHING.

OR MAYBE JUST TAKE IT OUT. TAKE IT OUT CHARTER SCHOOL OR YEAH, YOU COULD TAKE OUT LABELING ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST A POTENTIAL SITE FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

EXACTLY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, I'M CURIOUS, WAS THE SCHOOL PUT IN THERE BECAUSE IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE OR BECAUSE THERE'S.

A DESIRE SOMEWHERE OUT THERE TO DO THAT. WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT OFF AND ON WITH CARMEL CLAY SCHOOLS.

ABOUT THE ORCHARD. FORMER ORCHARD PARK ELEMENTARY SITE.

THEY DO STILL OWN IT. THERE THERE WAS A POTENTIAL CHALLENGE WITH A A CHARTER SCHOOL.

I'M NOT USING THE PROPER TERMINOLOGY, BUT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL CHALLENGE WHEN THE WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS VACATED.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT CHALLENGE IS NO LONGER VALID BY CHARTER SCHOOLS.

THEY CALL IT. I FORGET WHAT, THE NAME OF THE DOLLAR LAW OR SOMETHING.

HOWEVER I BELIEVE LAST FALL, THE THE SCHOOL BOARD RECEIVED A PRESENTATION, A CONCEPT PRESENTATION FOR A POTENTIAL EARLY LEARNING CENTER ON THAT SITE. SO WE ARE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE SCHOOL'S LEAD THERE, BUT ALSO KEEP, YOU KNOW, KEEP RELEVANT ON ON OUR DOCUMENTS WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SITE.

SO PERHAPS JUST LEAVE IT EARLY LEARNING CENTER.

LEAVE IT AT THAT. JUST TAKE IT OUT. LEAVE IT FLEXIBLE.

THANK YOU. CHRISTINE. OR. JUST MAKE IT EDUCATIONAL OR OTHER PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.

USE THAT IF YOU IF YOUR GOAL IS TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS AN EDUCATIONAL INTEREST IN THERE, YOU CAN MAKE IT VERY, VERY BROAD. EDUCATIONAL COULD BE ANYTHING FROM.

I SUGGEST WE JUST LEAVE OUT EDUCATION. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT I THINK IT KIND OF LIMITS WHAT IT COULD BE.

THAT'S THAT'S AN OPINION. I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IT EXCLUSIVELY EDUCATION.

I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EDUCATION IN THERE, JUST MAKE IT EDUCATION WITH NO DESCRIPTORS.

YEAH, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS PAGE? PAGE 20. OKAY. THEN WE'LL GO TO PAGE 21.

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THE MAP OF PROPOSED STREET TYPES INTRODUCES TWO NEW TYPOLOGIES TO BE ADDED TO THE OVERALL MENU OF STREET CONFIGURATIONS, AND DESIGNATES ALL RIGHTS OF WAY BASED ON HOW THEY FUNCTION TODAY.

THIS IS NOT TO SUGGEST CHANGES ARE NEEDED, BUT RATHER TO ARTICULATE THE HIERARCHY OF THE HOME PLACE STREET NETWORK TO HELP PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THESE STREETS OVER TIME.

AND THEN THE MAP KEY RANGES FROM INTERSTATE, US AND STATE HIGHWAY, ARTERIAL BOULEVARD, LOCAL ROAD, CONSERVATION CORRIDOR PAVEMENT WHICH IS OR A NON-DESIGNATED STREET TYPE AND THEN PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD, STREET, PROPOSED LANE, SHARED AND ALLEY. THE TWO AND TO CLARIFY THE TWO NEW PROPOSED STREET TYPES ARE THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD STREET AND THE PROPOSED LANE.

AND I CAN ZOOM IN ON THIS MAP WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION. AND AGAIN, I RAISED THIS BEFORE, BUT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, 116TH STREET AND 96TH STREET WERE DESIGNATED AS TYPICAL CORRIDORS, AT LEAST FOR THIS SECTION. I DON'T SEE THAT DESIGNATION HERE DOES.

IS THIS DOES THAT MEAN IT'S NO LONGER DESIGNATED AS A TYPICAL CORRIDOR? THE THAT WOULD REMAIN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MAP.

THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MAP. THIS IS THE THIS IS MORE AKIN TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WE.

BUT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING THAT THE TYPICAL CORRIDOR DESIGNATION BE REMOVED.

IT WOULD STAY. OKAY. AND THEN JUST AS A REMINDER THAT IF A ROAD IS DESIGNATED AS A TYPICAL CORRIDOR, THEN IT JUST ALLOWS A HIGHER DENSITY ON THOSE ROADS.

SO JUST OPEN THAT UP IF IT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP THAT THERE.

ON THIS SECTION OF 116TH STREET, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

WHAT WOULD BE YOUR OTHER SUGGESTION ON THIS THEN? THOSE TWO STREETS. YEAH. I MEAN, WITH NOW TAKING A SPECIFIC NOW TAKING A SPECIFIC LOOK AT THE HOME PLACE SUBAREA PLAN DOES IT STILL MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT 116TH STREET DESIGNATED AS A TYPICAL CORRIDOR? YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I'M TEEING UP FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY THOUGHTS AT THE TIME.

WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAME THROUGH, WE WEREN'T REALLY LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT HOME PLACE OR HAVING THE HOME PLACE.

I DON'T THINK WE WERE THINKING THAT THE BORDERS WERE GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY TO 116TH STREET.

SO DOES THAT WARRANT A CHANGE? AND I'M JUST I OPEN THAT UP FOR EVERYBODY.

I I'M NOT OFFERING AN OPINION. I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT IF IT MAKES SENSE.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE CRITERIA OR THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS USED IN ASSIGNING THE STREET TYPOLOGIES.

SO FOR INSTANCE, JUST NORTH OF. NORTH OF 465, MOST OF THE CUL DE SACS THAT ARE THE DEAD END STREETS ARE LABELED AS PROPOSED LANES. AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S LABELED AS A PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.

WE'VE GOT VALLEY COURT WHICH IS AND I'M FORGETTING THE SECOND COURT, BUT JUST NORTH OF 106TH.

YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE LABELED AS PROPOSED LANES, BUT EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS PROPOSED.

POSED NEIGHBORHOOD STREET. I'M SURE THERE'S METHODOLOGY BEHIND IT.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS. MOST OF AND I CAN POINT OUT SOME EXCEPTIONS, BUT MOST OF THE THE DIFFERENCES HAVE TO DO WITH WHETHER THE STREETS CURRENTLY HAVE SIDEWALKS ON THEM OR NOT.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE ONE CUL DE SAC OR THE, THE ONE STREET NORTH OF 103RD, THAT IS WHERE THE SURROUNDING STREETS ARE PROPOSED LANES.

THAT ONE STREET THAT IS DESIGNATED AS A PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD STREET DOES HAVE A SIDEWALK.

SAME WITH VALLEY COURT AND THE STREETS IN LEXINGTON FARMS, FOR INSTANCE, OR

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AN EXAMPLE IS LET ME GET TO THE RIGHT. OKAY. CENTRAL AVENUE.

IT'S HARD TO SEE ON HERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT MANY OF THESE NORTH SOUTH STREETS DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS, BUT WE FELT LIKE MAYBE THIS CENTRAL OR.

WELL, IT'S APPROPRIATELY CALLED CENTRAL AVENUE, BUT MAYBE THIS, THIS MIDDLE CONNECTION WOULD BE WORTHWHILE.

TO PROPOSE A SIDEWALK IF IF ONE DAY THE CITY WERE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS OR IF OR IF THERE WERE IMPROVEMENTS MADE BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR ALONG THE STREET, THAT WE WOULD GET SIDEWALK ALONG THAT, ALONG THAT STREET TO, TO CREATE A CONNECTION WITHOUT, WITHOUT DISRUPTING, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT CREATING CONNECTIONS ON ALL THESE STREETS.

ANOTHER, ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THIS NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION, BECAUSE IT DOES GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO 111TH STREET AND THEN A JOG OVER AND DOWN TO 106TH STREET TO DESIGNATE THAT AS ONE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE GET A SIDEWALK.

OUR CURRENT OUR GENERAL PHILOSOPHY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WE WANT ALL LOCAL STREETS TO HAVE SIDEWALKS.

AND I THINK AND I THINK ENGINEERING, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT EVEN SHARES THAT PHILOSOPHY THAT THAT THAT THEY BELIEVE EVERY STREET, WHEN IT'S IMPROVED, SHOULD HAVE A SIDEWALK. DURING THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAD QUITE QUITE A WIDE RANGE OF OPINIONS ABOUT THAT REGARDING THE NEED FOR SIDEWALKS ON EVERY SINGLE STREET.

VERSUS WE ALSO HEARD HEARD SOME COMMENTS THAT IF THE REST OF IF THE REST OF THE STREETS IN CARMEL HAVE SIDEWALKS, THEN WE WANT, WE WANT SIDEWALKS TOO. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A LITTLE BIT OF A BALANCE HERE IN TRYING TO PRIORITIZE MAYBE SOME STRATEGIC CONNECTIONS TO HELP WITH THAT, BUT THAT, THAT'S THAT'S THE METHODOLOGY BY SOME OF THESE DESIGNATIONS. SO SOME TO RECAP, SOME ALREADY HAVE SIDEWALKS AND WE HAVE DESIGNATED THOSE AS NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

THE LANE DESIGNATION IS REALLY MEANT TO TRY TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT'S THERE AND AND KEEP THAT CHARACTER.

AND THEN ONE OTHER CONNECTION THAT WE DESIGNATED IS THAT IS 101ST STREET BECAUSE OF THE BECAUSE OF THE PATH CONNECTION THAT YOU KNOW. THAT GOES FROM, THAT EXTENDS EAST, THAT CONNECTS TO WESTFIELD BOULEVARD.

SO WE DECIDED WE WANTED WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A, A A GOOD CONNECTION TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT A SIDEWALK DESIGNATED FROM, TO CONNECT COLLEGE AVENUE ACROSS 101ST STREET AND THEN, THEN THAT PATH.

THEN THERE WOULD BE A PATH CONNECTION THAT HUGS I-465 AND GOES OVER TO WESTFIELD BOULEVARD.

CAN WE GO BACK TO CHRISTINE'S ORIGINAL QUESTION AS WELL? 116TH STREET BEING A TYPICAL CORRIDOR. AND NOW THAT IT'S PART OF THIS, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT YOU BECAUSE I'M, YOU'RE YOU'RE OUR YOU'RE OUR COMPREHENSIVE GURU.

EXPERT. WELL, I MEAN, YOU HELPED US. I SHARED THAT COMMITTEE, RIGHT? YES. YOU DID. SO I GUESS I GUESS WHAT? I'M CURIOUS.

I'M CURIOUS TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS AND YOU SEE WHAT'S BUILT ALL AROUND 116TH STREET TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH, TO THE SOUTH, THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES THERE.

AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF COMMERCIAL. AM I CORRECT AND CORRECT MY ASSERTION HERE? SO SO IT WOULDN'T BE UNUSUAL FOR MORE COMMERCIAL TO GO ACROSS THE NORTH SIDE OF THERE.

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SO I THINK I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK WE SHOULD DESIGNATE THAT BOUNDARY AS I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO RELOOK AT THIS, BECAUSE AT THE TIME WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAME FORWARD WELL, FIRST OFF, THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF ENTHUSIASM FOR THE DESIGNATION OF TYPICAL CORRIDORS ANYWAY, ON THE COMMITTEE, WE SORT OF LIMITED THEM TO AS FEW LOCATIONS AS WE COULD.

BUT AT THE TIME, THERE WASN'T A THOUGHT THAT THE BOUNDARIES OF HOME PLACE WAS GOING TO BE EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO 106TH STREET.

THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE'VE AT LEAST I DON'T RECALL THAT, THAT THE BOUNDARIES OF HOME PLACE SORT OF GOT EXPANDED A LITTLE BIT.

SO NOW YOU VERY MUCH HAVE THIS RESIDENTIAL ON ONE SIDE OF 116TH STREET.

DOES IT STILL MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT DESIGNATED AS A TYPICAL CORRIDOR NOW LOOKING AT THIS MAP HERE FOR THE SUB AREA, IT'S NOT DESIGNATED AS THIS. AND, AND AS A TYPICAL CORRIDOR.

SO IT'S NOT A SUB AREA PLAN. AND I KNOW SOME OF THESE CHANGES ARE GOING TO REQUIRE AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE ADDRESS WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ACTUALLY AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO MAKE ALL OF THIS WORK.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PROCESS QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BEST WAY IS, BUT I I THINK IT'S WORTH REVISITING THAT BECAUSE DOES IT MAKE SENSE NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS VISION FOR WHAT? AT LEAST ON THE SOUTH SIDE, 116TH STREET, IT'S GOING TO BE.

DOES IT MAKE SENSE? YOU KNOW SO I APPRECIATE YOU FOLLOWING BACK UP ON THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT MORE OR IF IT'S SOMETHING IS ADDRESSED LATER.

WHEN HE GETS THE AMENDMENT PROCESS OR IF ANYBODY HAS ANYBODY WHO'S IN HOME PLACE, IF THEY HAVE OPINIONS TO WRITE EMAILS.

MAYBE NOBODY FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT THIS, BUT IF THERE ARE OPINIONS, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR IT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

SO. ONE OF THEM THAT WAS MENTIONED, THAT WAS REMINDING ME OF A VISION I'D SEEN TEN PLUS YEARS AGO, AND MAYBE IT'S DEAD FOR GOOD, BUT A WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL ARTERIAL CONNECTION FROM 96TH AND WESTFIELD OVER TO COLLEGE, IS THAT STILL A REAL THING OR IS THAT DEAD? THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AT THE TIME THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAME THROUGH, AND BETWEEN 2020 AND 2022? THANK YOU.

THE PATH CONNECTION IS STILL THERE, THOUGH. YEAH.

THANK YOU. LAST FOLLOW UP TO THE 116TH STREET THING, I THINK TO PUT SOME PROTECTIONS IN PLACE, WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF A LOCAL SUB AREA.

I THINK REALLY, I'M GOING TO BACK YOU UP ON THIS ONE AND SAY LET'S DO IT.

SORRY. THANK YOU. LET'S DO WHAT HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

TO YOUR POINT, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. WE'LL LET THE PROCESS.

BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT FOR DEFINITELY BE ON CHANGED.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I'M SORRY I'VE BEEN SICK ALL WEEK, SO SOMETIMES I DON'T THINK I'M OPERATING AT 100%.

SORRY. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. ANYTHING MORE FOR PAGE 21? YES, PLEASE. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ONLY MAYBE A MATTER OF HOUSEKEEPING, ADRIAN, BUT THE.

I STRUGGLED WITH SOME OF THE STREET CORRIDORS.

111TH STREET, FOR EXAMPLE, TO ME ON MY PRINT VERSION.

AND IT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I SEE ON THE SCREEN. IT LOOKS GREEN WITH YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING, WHICH I READ AS LOCAL ROAD WITH CONSERVATION CORRIDOR.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE RIGHT REPRESENTATION OR NOT.

AND THEN WE HAVE IT ON 106 AND ON COLLEGE AND WHATNOT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CLEANUP NEEDED, IS ALL I'M WONDERING FROM A LEGEND PERSPECTIVE.

THE SO WE, WE HAVE ON PAGE 14 AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GO BACKWARDS, BUT WE HAVE CROSS SECTIONS THAT TELL US WHAT PROPOSED LANE AND NEIGHBORHOOD STREET MIGHT FEEL LIKE THE TYPOLOGY SHOULD LOOK LIKE. WE ALSO HAVE SOMETHING CALLED SHARED, WHICH I WAS TRYING TO FIND.

I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE ON JESSUP. IS THAT DO WE NEED A SECTION? IS THAT DEFINED DIFFERENTLY? THE SHARED SHARED STREET TYPE IS ONE THAT EXISTS IN THE FULL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YEAH, I FIGURED YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT.

I'VE FORGOTTEN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UNFORTUNATELY, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I NOTICED AGAIN, LIKE A HOUSEKEEPING THING, WE HAVE THESE ROUNDABOUTS THAT SHOW UP ON PENNSYLVANIA STREET, BUT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF OTHERS THAT EXIST NOW THAT AREN'T AT SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS.

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OKAY. ANY MORE FOR THIS PAGE? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING ON TO PAGE 22.

OKAY. THIS THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NO TEXT TO READ.

REALLY. THIS PAGE SHOWS BOTH A AN OVERHEAD PLAN VIEW VERSUS AN ILLUSTRATIVE DEPICTION OF WHAT HOME PLACE CENTERED ON 106TH AND COLLEGE LOOKS LIKE TODAY.

SO IS THERE ANY REASON WE JUST WOULDN'T CHANGE THE WORDING AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE TO 106TH IN COLLEGE TODAY? BECAUSE IT'S TO ME, IT'S NOT A WHOLE HOME PLACE, PLAN VIEW.

AND IT MAY SOUND MINOR, BUT IT'S CARRIED RIGHT THROUGH ON THE NEXT COUPLE PAGES.

AND REALLY THE ONLY DEPICTION IS THAT OF 106TH AND COLLEGE.

I COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT I MIGHT GIVE PEOPLE THE WRONG IDEA THAT THIS IS ALL THAT IT IS.

THAT'S ALL I WAS THINKING, BUT. THERE'S NO OTHER INPUT.

I CAN MOVE FORWARD. SO WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING TO HAVE IT BE INSTEAD OF HOME PLACE? FEW HAVE IT BE. WELL, HE GOES ON BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE HOME PLACE 1 TO 2 YEARS.

HOME PLACE 5 TO 10 YEARS. AND IS THIS. YES, THIS IS HOME PLACE.

BUT HOME PLACE IS BIGGER THAN THIS. SO I JUST SO BE MORE SPECIFIC.

106TH IN COLLEGE CENTRAL. PEOPLE MIGHT GO, WELL, WE'RE NOT EVEN ON THIS.

YEAH, THAT'S ALL I WAS THINKING. OH, OKAY. SO WAIT AT THE TOP.

IT SAYS 106TH IN COLLEGE, RIGHT? SO. AND JUST PUT IT DOWN IN THE LEFT AND EVEN OVER IN THE RIGHT OR IN THE GREEN AREA.

I'M JUST THINKING OF SOMEBODY ELSE PICKING THIS UP.

MIGHT FIND IT CONFUSING, THAT'S ALL. I FIND IT CONFUSING BECAUSE EACH OF THESE ILLUSTRATIONS MAGICALLY REMOVE A CEMETERY THAT'S THERE.

SO. YEAH, I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE ANY OF THESE DEPICTIONS, BUT.

WELL, COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? YEAH. SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE ON THE NEXT ONE, AT 2 TO 5 YEARS, I'M LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS AND THINKING, WELL, ACTUALLY I DON'T SEE THAT THERE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THOSE APARTMENTS RIGHT THERE ON 106TH STREET OR SO.

IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO SHOW OR DESCRIBE THE WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING THE GROWTH TO BE? I MEAN, THE GROWTH IS GOING TO BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BASED ON WHAT WHAT OCCURS THESE ARE OR WHAT IS PROPOSED OR WHAT LAND MIGHT OR PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT DECIDE TO THAT THEY WANT TO PROPOSE SOMETHING.

SO THESE. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PAGE OR.

YEAH. GO AHEAD. I MEAN, I'M JUST SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SAY THIS IS A FINAL.

IT'S THE SAME THING WE'RE SAYING IN TWO. THIS IS NOT WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN 1 TO 2 NECESSARILY, NOR 5 TO 10 YEARS. SO WHATEVER THE WORDING COULD BE POSSIBLE, THE WAY THE AREA COULD LOOK, SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T JUST WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS WORK AND IT'S DONE AND THIS IS GOING TO BE IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO HERE. YEAH.

THESE ARE THESE ARE POTENTIAL CONCEPTS. IF SOMEONE WANTED TO.

YEAH. YEAH. I LIKE POTENTIAL, YEAH, THE POTENTIAL CONCEPT.

3 TO 5 YEARS. YEAH. THE THE LANGUAGE ON THAT ON PAGE 23 SAYS THIS 2 TO 5 YEAR PLAN SHOWS CONCEPTS WITH NEAR-TERM FEASIBILITY FOR FUTURE PEDESTRIAN SCALE DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY AMENITIES THAT COULD BE LOCATED IN A VARIETY OF VACANT OR UNDERUTILIZED PLACES WITHIN THE DISTRICT. CONCEPTS ON PRIVATELY HELD LAND WILL BE PROPERTY OWNER DRIVEN.

RIGHT OF WAY ELEMENTS, INCLUDING STREET TREES WILL BE CITY IMPLEMENTED.

BUT AGAIN, I'LL ADD THAT THIS THIS PLAN DOESN'T DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY FUND OR DESIGN ANYTHING.

BUT THIS IS THIS IS A CONCEPT OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.

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POTENTIAL CONCEPT IT IS. YOU'RE CORRECT. IT IS FURTHER DOWN THERE ON THAT ONE OF THE LATTER PAGES.

YES. GO. I'M JUST GOING TO THROW IT OUT THERE.

DO WE NEED ANY OF THESE ILLUSTRATIONS. WHICH ONES CAN WE JUST I'M TALKING PAGES 2426 AND EVEN THE ILLUSTRATION ON 22. CAN WE JUST REMOVE THEM? YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU. I TELL YOU, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I STRUGGLED WITH.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A FILLER. I DON'T KNOW NO NO DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY.

I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S HELPFUL. AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THEN OR IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IT DOESN'T REALLY TELL YOU ANYTHING. THE ILLUSTRATIONS ON 25, 23, AND 22, I THINK, DO A BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING THE VISION FOR WHAT THE 106TH ON COLLEGE REALLY IS OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 2 TO 10 YEARS.

I GUESS I COULD LOOK AT THAT BOTH WAYS. BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.

TAKING IT OUT, DOES IT GIVE ANYBODY ANY IMAGINATION ON WHAT IT'S AND IS THAT GOOD OR BAD? I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. I MEAN I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING THAT SEEMS LIKE FILLER WHERE WE COULD HAVE HAD CONTENT. IN THIS CASE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GRAPHIC THAT DOESN'T REALLY COMMUNICATE ANYTHING TO ME.

HOW DOES THE COMMITTEE FEEL ABOUT THAT? THAT'S KIND OF AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION OUT.

CAN I CLARIFY, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE ILLUSTRATIVE IMAGES OR THE PLAN VIEWS.

JUST THE ILLUSTRATIVE. OKAY. I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE ILLUSTRATIVE.

YEAH. THANK YOU. AND LIKE ON PAGE 22 BY TAKING OUT THE THIS IS HOME FOR HOME PLACE ILLUSTRATIVE DEPICTION FOR TODAY I MEAN YOUR YOUR OTHER GRAPHIC CAN BECOME BIGGER AND PROVIDE MORE DETAIL.

OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. YES.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. I LIKE THAT. YEAH I AGREE.

I AGREE. EVERYBODY OKAY? YEAH. THEY REMIND ME OF MAPS YOU GET WHEN YOU.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. WE REQUESTING THOSE BE REMOVED.

NOW ON PAGE 22. AND WE CAN EVEN ROLL A LITTLE BIT INTO THE OTHER PAGES.

THE NEXT TWO. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON 22, 23 AND 24.

NOW THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN REMOVED, THE ILLUSTRATIONS, I GUESS 25.

MY ONLY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME INFILL PROJECTS OR NOT PROJECTS, THERE'S INFILL POTENTIAL OR VISION FOR THE NEXT 2 TO 5 YEARS AND THEN 5 TO 10 YEARS.

THIS IS JUST A QUESTION. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE COULD BE MORE INCLUDED.

BUT WHAT I GUESS HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY THESE PROPERTIES WERE CHOSEN OR WHY, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN OPPORTUNITIES WERE HIGHLIGHTED AND OTHERS WERE NOT.

THE NEARER TERM PROPERTIES, I BELIEVE, WERE MORE BASED ON VACANT LOTS OR LOTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY VACANT OR OR THAT WE'VE THAT WE'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT MAY BE THINKING ABOUT DOING THINGS.

OKAY. BUT DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WOULD FEEL LIKE, OH, I MADE IT IN.

I'M NOT. I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY BECAUSE MY NAME'S I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK I THINK JONATHAN MADE ANOTHER GOOD POINT.

YEAH. THIS CERTAINLY WOULDN'T GUARANTEE APPROVAL OF OF ANYTHING THAT'S PROPOSED THAT MIGHT BE SHOWN ON HERE.

THESE ARE CONCEPTS. BUT OF WHAT SOMETHING SMALL SCALE COULD LOOK LIKE.

BUT IF IF SOMEONE APPLIES FOR SOMETHING, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH DEPENDING WHERE IT IS.

THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND ADLS PROCESS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL SITE APPROVAL.

I THINK THE JONATHAN'S POINT ORIGINALLY, I MEAN, I THINK IF ONE OF THESE PAGES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST HAS A DISCLAIMER FOR THE, YOU KNOW, SOME SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL SUBSTANTIAL THE WORD I'M TRYING TO USE SOMETHING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOT FIRING ON ALL CYLINDERS TONIGHT.

MAYBE A PAGE DEDICATED SINCE WE'RE LOSING A COUPLE OF PAGES.

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JUST POTENTIAL CONCEPTS. SO NOTHING IN HERE IS A GUARANTEE.

I MEAN, THAT LANGUAGE I THINK SHOULD BE IN THERE. THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEE OF A.

PROJECT. IT'S NOT A I DON'T KNOW, JUST JUST LANGUAGE CLARIFYING VISION FOR THE FUTURE.

THIS IS THE VISION FOR THE FUTURE. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO WHEN YOU DO A DOCUMENT IN ITS DRAFT, YOU KNOW, THE WATERMARK THAT GOES ON THAT COULD WE JUST HAVE CONCEPTUAL POSSIBILITY AS ALMOST LIKE A WATERMARK ON SOME OF THESE PAGES? BECAUSE THEN AT A GLANCE, YOU IMMEDIATELY KNOW YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING SET IN STONE.

THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, I LIKE THAT. HOW'S EVERYBODY ELSE FEEL ON THAT? I THINK THAT'S GREAT. THEN YOU CAN. NOBODY CAN HOLD YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE.

IT CAUSES YOU TO TILT YOUR HEAD. THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

THAT WAS GOOD. I JUST DON'T GET THE CALL OUTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES ON THE MAP, HONESTLY, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S READING. YOU CAN READ BETWEEN THE LINES OR MAKE CONCLUSIONS THAT AREN'T REALLY THERE.

I THINK THEY'RE MORE FOR JUST ORIENTING PEOPLE TO THE MAP.

BUT, I MEAN, YOU CAN HOP ON GOOGLE MAPS AND PRETTY EASILY IDENTIFY WHO'S THERE TODAY OR I DON'T THINK THEY OVER ESPECIALLY SHOWING LIKE PROGRESSION OF TIME THAT THE INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS NAMES NEED TO BE THERE. I MEAN, I LIKE CALLING OUT USES.

I THINK THAT COULD BE OKAY. BUT INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS NAMES I DON'T THINK ARE REALLY NECESSARY.

SO ARE YOU SAYING TO REMOVE THE BUSINESS NAMES? I'M JUST. OKAY. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER TO YOU SAY CURRENT CURRENT BUSINESS IN THIS SAME KIND OF WATERMARK. YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES, THAT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING WITH THE ILLUSTRATIONS IS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA TO SAY, OH, THE CEMETERY IS NOT THERE OR THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO MOVE A CEMETERY, IT'S LIKE IT'S IT'S WHAT IS NOT THERE.

I MEAN, BUT I THINK THE ILLUSTRATIONS CAN BE HELPFUL IN SHOWING, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE A CHARACTER ILLUSTRATION, WHICH I THINK THOSE ARE VERY HELPFUL TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THE DOCUMENT. SO I THINK THERE'S WAYS THAT IF THE ILLUSTRATIONS COULD BE REWORKED, THAT THEY COULD WORK. I THINK IT'S JUST TOUGH WHEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT SUCH A BIG AREA, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A VERY DETAILED LIKE WHERE'S WALDO? VERY DETAILED. BUT IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THAT.

AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK WHERE THEIR BUSINESS IS. SO WHAT'S THE WHAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION? I THINK REMOVE BUSINESS NAMES. I THINK FROM THE ILLUSTRATION, NOT THE ILLUSTRATION.

THE THE MAP. ALL RIGHT. HOW'S EVERYBODY FEELING? THAT GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANOTHER GOOD POINT.

ANYBODY ELSE? COULD I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? REMOVING BUSINESS NAMES, BUT POTENTIALLY KEEPING THE KEEPING THOSE FOOTPRINTS AND THE THE POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS THERE, BUT JUST REMOVING THE BUSINESS NAMES. OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, LIKE THE COTTAGES.

YOU MEAN, WITHOUT SAYING. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU.

AND ADRIAN, DID WE HAVE WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK THAT IF A BUSINESS NAME WASN'T ON HERE, THEN THEY WERE AFRAID THAT MEANT THAT THEY.

THE CITY WAS TRYING TO MOVE THEM OUT OR SOMETHING. SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE PUT SOME OF THE NAMES ON HERE.

WE? YEAH, WE WERE WE WERE TRYING TO BE AS DESCRIPTIVE AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE WE ALSO KIND OF ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT HEARD SOME CONCERNS.

IF, YOU KNOW, IF MY IF MY BUILDING'S NOT ON HERE, MY BUSINESS IS I MEAN WE'RE EXACTLY IT'S GOING TO BE REMOVED.

SO SO THEY WERE ADDED AS LANDMARKS. YES. SO IF, IF WE REMOVED THE LANDMARKS OR JUST GIVE THEM GENERIC NAMES WITHOUT THEIR CURRENT SPECIFIC NAMES, YOU STILL ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.

THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER REASON TO REMOVE THE NAMES.

YEAH. SO YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK YOU CAN JUST REMOVE THE NAMES AND JUST LEAVE THE THE BUILDINGS THERE IN GRAY.

THAT'S EXISTING JUST LIKE THE HOMES. YOU CAN ADD A LEGEND THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, COLOR A DOT AND SAY CURRENT, YOU KNOW, CURRENT, JUST CURRENT BUSINESS, BUSINESS, BUSINESS, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW? YEAH, WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. I JUST I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IT WAS JUST THE BUSINESS NAMES, BUT THE BUT THE POTENTIAL FOOTPRINTS WOULD REMAIN FOR ADAM.

I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU PUT THE YOU DENOTE WHERE THE CEMETERY IS.

IT IS ON THERE. IT'S ON THERE. IT'S REALLY BOTHERING HIM.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THEM TO MOVE. I THINK YOU COULD JUST DENOTE.

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BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST PLACES I THOUGHT, WELL WHY ARE WE DEFINING THAT THERE? YOU ALL MAY HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE MEETING I MISSED, BUT OR JUST PUT RETAIL THERE AND HOMES, YOU KNOW. LIKE HERE. SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING GETTING RID OF COTTAGE FROM THAT ISN'T SOMEBODY I WOULD BE GOING.

WHAT DO THEY MEAN BY THAT? YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT ANY OTHER TYPES, BUT COULD YOU GIVE THE.

SO WHAT IS THE REASON? I KNOW THERE IS YOU KNOW, THERE IS A DESIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING THE CHARM AND THE SMALL TOWN FEEL OF HOME PLACE. SO I'M ASSUMING. BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE USING THE DESCRIPTORS LIKE COTTAGE HOMES TO AND COTTAGE RETAIL TO.

IS THAT PART OF TRYING TO KEEP THIS, KEEP THE SMALL FEELING, THAT CHARMING, QUAINT, SMALL TOWN FEELING OF HOME PLACE.

YEAH. TO YOU IT DOES. YEAH. I MEAN, PERSONALLY, WHEN I HEAR.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT. NO, PLEASE. IF I LOOK AT THIS LEGEND, I JUST SEE RETAIL IN HOME PLACE.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT FIXED THE CHARACTER IN MY BRAIN.

THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. SO I THINK YOU'RE JUST BEING NICE, BUT.

OH, SO YOU LIKE THE YOU LIKE LEAVING THE COTTAGE SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR. WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN BIG BOX RETAIL.

YOU COULD EVEN CALL IT NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. I MEAN, SOMETHING SOMETHING I THINK YOU COULD CALL IT HOME.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY ON IN NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL OR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SOMETHING THAT. YEAH, INDICATES IT'S SMALL. I JUST I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH COTTAGE THAT MUCH AND I THINK IT SOUNDS NICE, BUT THEN PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO KNOW WHAT IT IS. AND THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS IS TO MAKE IT, IN MY OPINION. SO I LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL OR WHATEVER.

YOU COULD ALWAYS PUT IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP COTTAGE IN THERE.

AGAIN, WE'RE LOSING SOME PAGES. YOU CAN PUT SOME MORE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT DESCRIBES COTTAGE.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE TO YOUR POINT, JONATHAN. WE CAN ADD SOME SUBSTANCE TO ALL OF THIS BY PUTTING SOME DESCRIPTORS IN THERE.

COTTAGE MEANING FITTING HOME. PLACE MEANING SMALL, NOT BIG, NOT BIG BOX RETAILER.

I LOVE THAT. I LOVE THAT. SO JUST MAYBE DOING THAT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO RETOOL THE WHOLE THING TO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. DEFINITELY. THAT WAS TO BE A DESCRIPTOR THAT THAT AREA TO USE THE COTTAGE RETAIL AREA AS, AS THE EXAMPLE THAT AREA IS IN THE HOME PLACE BUSINESS DISTRICT.

I BELIEVE THOSE THOSE LOTS ARE ZONED FOR BUSINESS.

NOT TO CALL OUT ANY SPECIFIC BUSINESSES, BUT JUST NORTH OF THAT, THE SALT CAVES IS IN AN OLD HOUSE.

SO WE WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT ANY BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT INFILL THOSE THOSE VACANT LOTS WOULD BE IN THE CHARACTER OF WHAT'S THERE MAYBE LIKE A HOUSE THAT HAS TURNED INTO RETAIL. WHAT DO WE DO? YEAH. SO IT'S IT'S TO BE A DESCRIPTOR, BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE HEAR RETAIL, RETAIL CAN COME IN MANY FORMS, FROM SUBURBAN STRIP CENTERS TO MIXED USE TO WHATEVER WE WANTED TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIT IN THE CHARACTER OF WHAT'S HERE THAT AND WE CAN WE CAN EXPLORE DIFFERENT WHAT DO WE CALL THAT AREA ON NORTH RANGELINE ROAD, WHERE WE HAVE ALL THOSE HOMES THAT ARE BUSINESSES? IS THERE A WORD WE AND I JUST CAN'T THINK OF THAT KIND OF THAT OVERLAY.

IT'S CALLED THE NORTH HISTORIC NORTH RANGELINE SUB AREA.

OKAY. SO IT DOESN'T SPELL OUT THE. OKAY, I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, BUT THOSE ARE ALSO ZONED BUSINESS NOW.

SO BUT PREVIOUSLY HOMES SO YEAH. SO WE'LL WE'LL PLAY WITH THAT.

NOT TO BEAT THIS, BUT I THINK THE WAY TO ADDRESS IT IS JUST TO PUT SIDEBARS OR BOXES THAT EXPLAIN WHEN YOU GET TO A SECTION, LIKE WHERE YOU'RE STARTING TO USE THE WORD COTTAGE, JUST PUT IN A SHORT PARAGRAPH THAT DESCRIBES WHAT IT IS SO THAT AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS DIAGRAM OVER HERE, I SEE IN LIKE IN BE IN A PUBLICATION LAYOUT, JUST A SIDEBAR BOX THAT EXPLAINS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

AND AS YOU DO THAT THROUGH, I THINK IT'LL JUST ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS BEFORE THEY HAVE TO.

SAID THE PUBLISHER. OKAY. WE ARE GETTING TO THERE'S ANYTHING ON.

I THINK 106 IN COLLEGE IN 5 TO 10 YEARS, WE'VE KIND OF THAT'S JUST GOING TO MOVE FORWARD FROM THE OTHER TWO AS WE DISCUSSED.

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AND THAT'S THE APPENDIX. SO. ANYBODY WANT CHANGE TO THE APPENDIX ON THE 5 OR 10 YEARS? I KNOW YOU'VE GOT WALK UP APARTMENTS, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M SOLD ON HAVING THOSE THERE AND THE DESCRIPTION, BUT YEAH, I SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE MORE COTTAGE HOMES OR COTTAGE OR SO.

YEAH. SO ANYWAY, JUST I TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ONE.

IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT YOU COULD CREATE A DEFINITIONS PAGE THAT WOULD BE REFERENCED IN THE TABLE OF CONTENTS OR THE TOC AND ALSO IN THE APPENDIX. I'M COMING AT THIS. IF I'M LOOKING AT A DOCUMENT AND I'M USED TO PICKING UP A NEWSPAPER OR A MAGAZINE OR A BOOK, AN INSTRUCTIONAL BOOK, YOU'VE GOT THOSE IN THERE.

SO TO MAKE IT USER FRIENDLY. I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO RESOLVE SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD TONIGHT.

OKAY, WE ARE AT THE END. JESS, YOUR LIGHTS ON.

BUT DO YOU HAVE SOME INPUT AT ALL? THAT'S OKAY.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO MISS IT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE MADE IT TO THE END, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU DID WITH YOURS, BUT DID WE SEND IT BACK FOR REVISION? NO. SHE'LL THEY WILL UPDATE THE DRAFT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT BEFORE IT GOES BACK TO FULL PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

IS THAT SOMETHING? IS THERE A TIME FRAME ON THAT I DON'T CARE.

I MEAN, WHENEVER YOU GOT TWO OF THEM TO DO. THE NEXT MEETING, SINCE THIS IS TECHNICALLY THE OCTOBER COMMITTEE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY SEPTEMBER 30TH, THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE NOVEMBER 4TH.

SO I THINK WE. IF YOU CAN. YEAH. I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD A GOOD SHOT AT REVISIONS.

THERE WERE A LOT MORE ON THIS ONE THAN THE US 31 DOCUMENT, BUT I THINK I THINK WE'VE GOT TIME TO DO THAT.

SO NOVEMBER 4TH WOULD BE THE NEXT. THAT'D BE OUR GOAL TO MAKE THAT NEXT MEETING.

OKAY. THEN WE'LL LOOK FOR YOU TO COME BACK ON NOVEMBER 4TH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU GUYS PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS AND THANK YOU.

COMMITTEE. ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.

IT'S 745 AND COMMITTING TO THE OUR DISCUSSION OR TALK ABOUT NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS DOCKET NUMBER 202500125 CPA, US 31 SUB AREA PLAN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

APPLICANT SEEKS TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCORPORATE THE NEW US 31 CORRIDOR SUB AREA PLAN FILED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES ON BEHALF OF CARMEL PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU. ADRIAN KEELING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.

AND IN ALL OF THE DISTRACTION IN THE LAST ONE, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT WE'VE GOT BROOKE, JOE AND DANIELLA FROM YARDEN COMPANY HERE. SO THEY CAN ALSO BE A RESOURCE AS WELL.

BUT UNLIKE THE LAST PLAN, WE DO HAVE A REVISED PLAN FOR US 31, BECAUSE WE DID MAKE IT THROUGH THE

[4. Docket No. 2025-00125 CPA: US 31 Subarea Plan – Comprehensive Plan Amendment]

I WILL NOTE THAT FOR ANYONE WATCHING OR TRYING TO KEEP TRACK IT, IT IS NOTED AS SEPTEMBER 2025 ON EACH PAGE, IN THE FOOTER OF EACH PAGE AND ON THE AND ON THE COVER AND ANY OF THE REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE ARE INDICATED WITH A PINK OR MAGENTA TEXT NEW OR STRICKEN LANGUAGE, AS WELL AS COMMENT BOXES THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT TO FURTHER EXPLAIN WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.

SO I WILL MAYBE JUST GO THROUGH TRY TO FOCUS ON JUST THE, JUST THE REVISIONS AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE GET.

SO THE, THE FIRST, FIRST REVISION IS ON PAGE THREE.

DURING THE DURING THE MEETINGS, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT BEING MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT A SUB AREA PLAN DOES OR DOES NOT DO.

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THERE WAS, AS YOU RECALL, THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY A CORRIDOR MAP ON THIS PAGE THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE MOVED TO THE NEXT PAGE TO MAKE BIGGER.

AND SO WE CAN HIGHLIGHT THIS THESE CHANGES. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE TEXT OR.

YES. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. WE WE STRUCK UP A SENTENCE IN THE, IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH THAT STATED THE FINAL US 31 AREA PLAN WILL BE INCORPORATED AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO WE DID NOT FEEL LIKE THAT THAT PARTICULAR SENTENCE WAS NEEDED HERE IN THIS DOCUMENT.

BUT THEN WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF A SUB AREA PLAN.

SO A SUB AREA PLAN PROVIDES DETAILED GUIDANCE FOR DECISION MAKING WITHIN A DESIGNATED AREA.

FOR EXAMPLE, DISTRICT, NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

THE PLAN DEFINES THE AREA'S UNIQUE CHARACTER, IDENTITY AND POTENTIAL PROGRAMING WHERE APPLICABLE, AS SUBAREA PLAN FINDS WAYS TO HELP ADDRESS RELEVANT CITYWIDE GOALS THROUGH LOCAL INITIATIVES.

IN MOST CASES, RECOMMENDATIONS DESCRIBED BY A SUBAREA PLAN REQUIRE FURTHER ACTION TO BE IMPLEMENTED.

FOR EXAMPLE, A SUBAREA PLAN DOES NOT CHANGE OR UPDATE ZONING REGULATIONS IN THE CARMEL UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE OR IN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS.

ALTER THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS, MAKE DESIGN OR LAND USE DECISIONS FOR INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT SITES, OR ALLOCATE FUNDING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAMS OR ORGANIZATIONS.

A MAP OF THE US 31 SUBAREA IS PROVIDED ON THE NEXT TWO PAGES.

THE BOUNDARY OF THE SUB AREA ALIGNS FULLY WITH THE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT PATTERN DETAILED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND AVAILABLE ONLINE AT CARMEL.

CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. COM. THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? SAFE TO ASSUME THIS IS SIMILAR BOILERPLATE THAT WE'LL SEE IN THE HOME PLACE DOCUMENT AS WELL.

I BELIEVE SO. WE'LL WE'LL FORMAT IT TO MATT OR TO YOU KNOW TO FIT OF COURSE.

OKAY. NOTHING THERE. MOVING ON TO THE MAP SECTION, WHICH IS JUST ENLARGED PER THE REQUEST OF DEBBIE, I BELIEVE. YEAH. SO THIS IS ONE WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A LARGE AREA.

EVEN THOUGH WE TRIED TO ORIENT IT TO THE LANDSCAPE FORMAT TO FIT MORE ON IT.

WE BROKE THIS INTO TWO PAGES, THE NORTH HALF OF THE CORRIDOR, AS WELL AS THE SOUTH HALF ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE.

THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL. ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS ON THE MAP? LEGENDS? NO. YEAH. JUST QUICKLY I KNOW WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE WE LANDED. WE'RE NOT PUTTING NEIGHBORHOOD NAMES OF NEIGHBORHOODS ON THESE MAPS.

CORRECT. THAT SURROUND THE AREA. WELL, I MEAN, THERE WAS A LADY, AND I'M SORRY, I CAN'T REMEMBER HER NAME WHO SENT OVER AN EMAIL THAT HAD ALL OF THE NAMES OF ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS AND KIND OF THEIR GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATIONS.

IN A LETTER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THEY ARE NOT SHOWN ON HERE.

YEAH, YEAH. DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'D BE SOMETHING HARD TO ADD.

DO WE DO WE THINK IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO INCLUDE THOSE? DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE THOSE? I DON'T KNOW. I WORRY ABOUT IT GETTING TOO FILLED IN.

CLUSTERING. YEAH YEAH YEAH I AGREE. BUT TO THE POINT OF THE THE PERSON THAT LIKE YOU, I CAN'T REMEMBER THERE WERE A LOT OF LETTERS.

SO WE APOLOGIZE THAT WE DON'T REMEMBER EVERYBODY'S NAME WHO SUBMITTED A LETTER.

I THINK THIS MAP IS CLEAR THE WAY IT IS, BUT I THINK YOU COULD ALSO HAVE A ONE PAGE MAP OF WHAT YOU'VE DIVIDED INTO TWO. AND ON THAT MAP JUST SHOW EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO USE IT AS A CROSS REFERENCE, YOU'VE GOT IT AS A SEPARATE A SEPARATE VISUAL.

I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T ALWAYS CLEAR.

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I CANNOT THINK OF THE NAME OF THE LADY TO SAVE MY LIFE.

I WANT TO THANK HER FOR ALL THAT HARD WORK SHE PUT IN TO FIND TO MAP THE AREA AND AND NAME ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SURROUND THIS, THIS CORRIDOR. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT PUT IT OUT THERE PUBLICLY.

THANK YOU. AND IF I COULD ADD, IF ON THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS MAP ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IF YOU GO TO THE ONLINE VERSION TO THE MY COMPUTER IS OCCUPIED RIGHT NOW.

BUT IF YOU GO TO THE ONLINE VERSION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MAP WHEN YOU ZOOM IN CLOSE ENOUGH.

THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD OR SUBDIVISION NAMES ARE ARE VISIBLE ON THAT AS WELL.

FOR ANYONE THAT'S THAT'S LOOKING AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND YOU CAN SEE THE THE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THERE WHICH IS MIRRORED HERE IN THIS SUB AREA BOUNDARY. SO I GUESS I'LL THROW IT OUT.

DO WE LEAVE IT AS AN ONLINE LEGEND, OR DO WE ADD THE ONE PAGER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS INCLUDED? JUST FOR CONTEXT, YOU CAN FIND THAT LIST IN LETTER NUMBER 22.

IN THE DOCKET FOR THAT. SO FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE OR ON THE COMMITTEE, I MEAN, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE A VERY SIMPLE I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT. I DON'T KNOW, I'M SPEAKING FOR STAFF, BUT IS IT TIME CONSUMING JUST TO THROW A MAP ON THERE WITH TO THROW IT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, THE SUB AREA PLAN.

JUST AN EXTRA PAGE. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.

I WAS POINTING OUT THAT EVEN IF WE DO ADD A PAGE, THERE'S ALSO THAT ELECTRONIC RESOURCE AS WELL.

YEAH. LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDING IT. YEAH. OKAY.

MOVING THROUGH. LET'S SEE PAGE. THERE ARE NO CHANGES ON PAGE SEVEN.

PAGE EIGHT. ON PAGE ON PAGE EIGHT WE ADDED THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL CONTEXT ABOUT TAX INCREMENT FINANCING DISTRICTS.

WE ADDED PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT STATES COMPARED TO TIFS ALONG RANGELINE.

MANY OF THE US 31 AREA TIFS CONTINUE TO HAVE LOWER ASSESSED VALUES PER ACRE DUE TO LARGE PARKING LOTS.

THE CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING THEIR EXPIRATION AND WEIGHING THE BENEFITS OF REINITIATING THOSE WHERE INCENTIVES ARE NEEDED TO SPUR PRIVATE INVESTMENT. THANK YOU. IT SEEMS LIKE A STRAIGHTFORWARD CLARIFICATION THERE.

ANY COMMENTS? NO COMMENT ON THAT LANGUAGE. THE ONLY THING I'VE GOT IS THE IMAGE TO THE RIGHT APPEARS TO BE TALKING ABOUT PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS, BUT YOU ONLY KNOW THAT IF YOU READ THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT SECTION.

SO I THINK WE JUST NEED SOME LABEL THERE SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET CONFUSED AND THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TIF DISTRICTS.

THANK YOU. GOOD COMMENT. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. PAGE TEN OF CHANGES. PAGE 11 NO CHANGES.

12 NO CHANGES 13. NO CHANGES. PAGE 14.

PAGE 14 IS THE PLAN FOR CONNECTIVITY PAGE. WE ADDED A REFERENCE TO THE.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROPOSED GREEN SPACE INCLUDED ON THE SUBAREA PLAN MAP.

SO WE WE ADDED A LITTLE BIT OF TEXT REGARDING THAT.

IT READS A SUGGESTED TRAIL AMENITY FOR THE CITY, CARMEL, CLAY PARKS AND IU HEALTH TO COLLABORATE ON ESTABLISHING THE 20 ACRE WOODED PORTION OF THE IU HEALTH PROPERTY AS A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PARK SLASH GREEN SPACE.

COMMENTS. ANYONE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, I WANT TO CLARIFY.

SO THIS IS THE PARCEL THAT IU OWNS, CORRECT? THE IU PROPERTY, THE 20 ACRES.

JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. YES. OUTSIDE OF THE PUD OR IS IT IN THE PUD? IT'S IT'S LOCATED THE PORTION THAT IS LOCATED WEST OF ILLINOIS IS THE WAS EXCLUDED FROM PUD.

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OKAY. SO I GUESS I GUESS WE CAN GET TO IT WHEN WE GET TO THE IU PARCEL THAT IS IN PUD.

BUT I KIND OF WANTED TO TALK AT SOME POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN IU AND ARE THEY ARE THEY, ARE THEY WORKING WITH YARD AND COMPANY. ANY CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT TRANSPIRE? I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS WAS AND IF IT'S ONGOING.

STILL MEANING, ARE THERE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE CITY, IU YARD AND COMPANY? BECAUSE WITH ALL THE LETTERS WE GOT, WE HAVE WE HAVE A LOT THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

SO YES, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM IU HEALTH.

THEY THEY WERE GENERALLY POSITIVE, RECEIVED, RECEIVED POSITIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE PLAN.

NATURALLY, THEY ALSO HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE KIND OF WHAT'S IT MEAN TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHETHER IT'S THE TRAILS, THE TRAIL THAT RUNS NORTH SOUTH THROUGH THERE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THERE MAIN HOSPITAL, IU HEALTH OR IU NORTH AND 31 OR WHETHER IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, HOW THE TRAIL GETS ACROSS 31 AND LANDS AND PROCEEDS TO THE WEST TO THAT WOODED AREA. SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS WE, WE HAD FROM THEM.

THAT IS GOING TO BE AN ONGOING DISCUSSION THAT THAT WE WILL NEED TO INVOLVE CARMEL CLAY PARKS TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHAT KINDS OF OPTIONS OR SCENARIOS ARE POSSIBLE TO DO THAT.

BUT BUT GENERALLY THE, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK WAS POSITIVE FOR THAT.

OKAY. BECAUSE I JUST I KNOW WE HAVE A I MEAN, IT'S WE'VE ALL READ THE LETTERS AND WE'VE ALL HEARD WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING, AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THAT THOSE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SURROUND THAT, THOSE PARCELS. I REALIZE THAT WE CAN'T YOU KNOW, SAVE EVERY SINGLE BIT OF PROPERTY? POSSIBLY, BUT IN ORDER TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE.

I APPRECIATE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY STILL A BIG PRIORITY.

I MEAN, YEAH, NO, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. AND AND I THINK MOST LETTERS WE HAVE RECEIVED HAVE BEEN ABOUT THE IU HEALTH PROPERTY AND WANTING TO HAVE THAT AREA PRESERVED AS PARKLAND, GREEN SPACE.

SO I KNOW YOU TALKED TO MIKE AND MIKE. YOU'VE GOT A COPY OF THE PUD.

I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO PULL IT UP IF, SINCE WE'RE ON THIS TOPIC NOW.

SO JUST SEE WHAT THE LAND IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS.

AND WHERE THIS WOODED AREA SITS. DO YOU HAVE IT, ADRIAN? OKAY. I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE.

SO THERE'S A PUD ON THE WHOLE IU HEALTH PARCEL, AND THIS WAS INSTITUTED LONG AGO, LONG BEFORE I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

MAYBE EVEN BEFORE YOU SUE. I DON'T KNOW, IT MIGHT PREDATE.

IT'S BEEN ON THERE A WHILE. SO SO THE, THE AREA UP THERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S APPROVED TO GO RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING IS FOR THAT PARCEL.

SO THE EXCLUDED AREA, THAT'S THE WOODS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT.

AND SO THAT'S CURRENTLY IT'S EXCLUDED FROM THE PUD, WHICH I PRESUME MEANS IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S S2. S2. OH, I COULDN'T SEE THAT FROM HERE.

SO IT'S ZONED S2. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DESIGNATE THAT WOODED AREA IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS TO STAY WOODED AREA, PARK SPACE. SO I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOME OF THE LETTERS WERE GETTING SOUNDS LIKE THEY WOULD LIKE ALL OF IT TO BE ALL THE WHOLE ENTIRE PARCEL TO BE PARK.

I'M NOT SAYING IT COULDN'T HAPPEN SOMEDAY, BUT IT'S NOT.

IT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT THAT'S NOT. THAT'S. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THE UNDERLYING ZONING. SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT'D BE HELPFUL TO SHOW.

CAN THAT CAN THAT BE INCLUDED? SO THAT ANYBODY GOING THROUGH THIS SEES WHAT'S IN.

I WOULD NOT PUT A PUD IN A SUBAREA PLAN. I WOULD NOT PUT THAT IN THERE.

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CAN YOU PUT SOMETHING IN IT IF YOU HAVE NOT PUT THAT IN, BUT SAY SOMETHING ON THE PREVIOUS YOU KNOW THIS IN REFERENCE TO ANYTHING.

SEE, WHEREVER IT IS, WHEREVER YOU CAN FIND THIS, JUST, JUST I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WOULD I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE MY GUESS IS THAT WHENEVER THIS GETS AND THIS IS JUST ME GUESSING, I HAVE NO INSIDE KNOWLEDGE, BUT I'M GUESSING THAT WHENEVER SOMETHING COMES FORWARD TO GET BUILT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE THIS BECAUSE THIS WAS APPROVED SO MANY YEARS AGO.

NOW, I COULD BE WRONG. BUT I'M GUESSING YOU'LL GO THROUGH A REZONE.

AND IF WE SIT HERE AND SAY, THIS IS I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE LOCKED INTO THIS PARTICULAR PUD BECAUSE THIS WAS APPROVED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE. I THINK REFERENCING IN JUST THE SPECIFIC CALL OUT, I THINK IS SUFFICIENT, AS OPPOSED TO CALLING IT OUT AND HAVING THE ACTUAL PLAN AND DOCUMENT JUST BECAUSE SO MUCH HAS CHANGED.

YEAH, I AGREE, I JUST FOR ALL THE CITIZEN INPUT, THIS AREA IS EXCLUDED.

THIS AREA IS IN AND BASICALLY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT BOILS DOWN TO THAT THE WOODED AREA BETWEEN THE RITZ CHARLES AND THE IU CAMPUS IS IN. ACROSS THE STREET IS OUT. DIRECTOR. I SEE YOU CHOMPING AT THE BIT OVER THERE.

YEAH, JUST LIKE TO ADD MY $0.02 ON. I MEAN, THIS IS SETTLED LAW, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE A PD ON THE BOOKS WITH DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

YOU KNOW, IN AREA TWO, A, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED AND THERE'S HEIGHT LIMITATIONS.

AND TO BE COMMERCIAL IS ALLOWED INCLUDING RETAIL.

THOSE ARE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE ADOPTED TODAY.

WE'RE NOT REALLY TRYING TO CHANGE THAT. AND I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR, WE'RE NOT TREATING THIS AREA REALLY ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER AREAS, WHETHER THEY'RE ZONED MC.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE PUD AT CLAY TERRACE, WHICH WE ARE CALLING OUT AND IS, YOU KNOW, ACTIVELY IN THE PROCESS OF HAPPENING SOMETHING ELSE. BUT, YOU KNOW, BOTH, YOU KNOW, THE NORTH SIDE OF 1/16 AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF 1/16, YOU HAVE PUDS THAT ARE SETTLED LAW, AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT TAMPERING WITH THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE VESTED RIGHTS AND INVESTMENT EXPECTATIONS, ETC.. AND SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THAT.

OTHER THAN WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE A WOODED AREA COULD BECOME PARKLAND, RIGHT.

AND THAT THAT'S A BIG STEP FOR THE CITY. AND IT'S AND IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE INCLUDING HERE.

BUT AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, I MEAN, IF IU WANTS TO SELL THAT AND AN INVESTOR WANTS TO TRY AND COME THROUGH WITH AN S2 PLAT, THEY CAN DO THAT. AND THERE'S THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO PREVENT IT OTHER THAN TO APPLY THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS TODAY.

WHICH DOES INCLUDE TREE PRESERVATION. SO THAT WOULD ALWAYS BE, YOU KNOW, A SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION AND NEGOTIATION WITH THE PROJECT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO ALTER THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE YOU KNOW, WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND AND MICHAEL KUTZING AND, AND THE PARK BOARD TO, TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY.

TO YOUR POINT, DIRECTOR, WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY THAT LAND.

THE CITY OF CARMEL WOULD HAVE TO BUY THAT LAND.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THREE BIG PROJECTS IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

ONE IS A $35 MILLION PROJECT, AND THE OTHER ONES AREN'T AS EXPENSIVE AT THIS POINT, BUT THREE REALLY LARGE PROJECTS HAPPENING.

SO JUST CLEAR EXPECTATIONS AT THIS POINT. THE CITY OF CARMEL, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY IS. I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE CAPACITY WAS, OR IS THAT THE CITY COULD TURN AROUND AND BUY THIS.

AND, JONATHAN, YOU'RE HERE FROM THE PARK, SO YOU CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT THAN I CAN, BUT WE DON'T RIGHT NOW.

DON'T I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE DEPARTMENT, BUT I WOULD YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, DIRECTOR HOLLABAUGH, THAT I THINK THE BEST PROTECTION WE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AT OUR FINGERTIPS IS BEING ABLE TO SAY THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED AS A WOODED AREA, BUT TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES THAT SUGGEST EITHER MORE RESTRICTIVE USE OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN CHANGES OF USE,

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SO THE WAY THE WAY THE LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN NOW, I THINK IT PROTECTS THE PROPERTY.

IT HELPS PROTECTS HELPS PROTECT WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE EXPRESSED IN TERMS OF THEIR CONCERNS.

SO I THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS THE WAY I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU JONATHAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT BEAR CREEK.

IT'S GOING TO BE A FUN PARK. YEAH. DIRECTOR HOLLABAUGH, THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. I JUST WANTED THAT TO TO CHRISTINE'S POINT SHOWING, SHOWING WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT PROPERTY IS AND HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK WITHIN THE PARAMETERS THAT WE'RE GIVEN. SO BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THE STAFF AND TO JONATHAN'S POINT THE MOST WE CAN DO IS TO DESIGNATE THIS AS AT LEAST THAT EXCLUDED PART DESIGNATE THIS AS GREEN SPACE, PARK SPACE, WOODED AREA.

THAT GIVES US THE BEST POSITION TO PROTECT IT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TODAY TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT, I MEAN, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUR STAKE IN THE SAND.

RIGHT? AND WE THIS IS ASPIRATIONAL AND IT COMMUNICATES TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER WHAT THE CITY'S INTEREST IS HERE.

AND IF, IF THE CONVERSATION STARTS TODAY, YOU KNOW, IT MAY TAKE YEARS BEFORE WE CAN GET OVER THE GOAL LINE, BUT AT LEAST THERE'S A VISION HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMMUNICATING THAT TO THE WORLD.

I WANT TO THANK YOU, DIRECTOR HOLLABAUGH, FOR TAKING THE TIME TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS A BIG, BIG TOPIC CONVERSATION WITH OUR WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS.

AND FOR COUNCILOR GREEN AS WELL. I MEAN, IT WAS A BIG ISSUE FOR HIM AS WELL.

SO AND I WASN'T SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL.

I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE TIGHT WITH MONEY RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING TOO, IS IT'S OUTSIDE THE PUD FOR ALL THE MAPS.

IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SUB AREA, RIGHT? IT SHOULD BE IN IT, NOT CORRECT.

IT'S IN THERE BECAUSE LIKE PAGE FIVE, DOESN'T IT? I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY JUST OUTSIDE THE. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THAT WHOLE AREA IS OUTSIDE THE PD OUTSIDE THE SUB AREA.

IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING THAT I MEAN, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY OKAY TO NOTE IT, BUT IT'S JUST IT JUST SEEMS LIKE OUTSIDE OF THE DOCUMENT.

HONESTLY, THAT WAS THE POINT THAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE EARLIER.

JUST REFERENCE THIS AREA IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN.

RIGHT. PLEASE SEE AND DIRECT PEOPLE WHERE THEY WANT TO FIND OUT MORE.

OR MAKE A GENERAL STATEMENT THAT EXISTING PUDS REMAIN IN EFFECT.

THIS IS FOR AREAS NOT AFFECTED BY THOSE. JUST JUST SOMETHING SO THAT ANYBODY READING THAT READING OR LOOKING AT THIS HAS THAT ANSWER QUESTION IN ADVANCE WITHOUT HAVING TO JUMP TO ERRONEOUS CONCLUSIONS. YES, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS DOCUMENT LESS CONFUSING IN GENERAL.

THAT'S VERY CONFUSING. DOES IT NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE SUB AREA? THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I DON'T SEE WHAT WOULD IT HURT WITH ALL THE OPINION WE'VE GOT AND THE FEELINGS OF THIS BODY.

MAYBE WE NEED TO AMEND THE SUB AREA BOUNDARY SO THAT WE ENCOMPASS THIS.

WHOLE LONG WAIT, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? SO YEAH, LET'S JUST MENTION.

TURN ON YOUR MIC. GOT IT. OKAY. JUST QUICKLY, I WAS GOING TO JUST ADD HAVING IT IN HERE.

WE'RE TRYING TO DOCUMENT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HELD AS PART OF THIS PLANNING PROCESS, TAKING A LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES. SO ONE OTHER BENEFIT OF HAVING THIS REFERENCE THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION.

DIRECTOR KISSLING WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA OF A PARK AT SOME POINT IN THIS LOCATION.

AND SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR HAVING IT IN THIS PLAN HELPS HAVE THIS BE ADDED TO THE NEXT PARK'S MASTER PLAN UPDATE.

SO THAT STARTS TO PUT A PROJECT IN THE PIPELINE.

SO YES, I UNDERSTAND LIKE THE 31 BOUNDARY DOES STICK ALONG TO THE ILLINOIS ROAD.

SO TECHNICALLY THAT EXCLUDED PORTION IS OUTSIDE OF THE STUDY AREA.

BUT REALLY THESE BOUNDARIES ARE JUST A WAY TO FOCUS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY AS FAR AS HOW WE REALLY FOCUS ON CONVERSATIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF ADDED CONTEXT.

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I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, JEFF. NOT NECESSARILY.

HOWEVER, IF IT'S STILL PART OF THE DISCUSSION, STILL A PIECE OF THE CONTEXT, EVEN IF IT NOT BEING TECHNICALLY WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE PLAIN AREA, I DON'T MAYBE MAYBE WE'RE PROTECTED, MAYBE WE'RE COVERED.

MAYBE THE INTENT IS THERE. I DON'T KNOW. MAKE A NOTE, MAKE A NOTE OF IT.

HIT YOUR MARK RIGHT NOW. WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.

I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUGGEST. JUST MAKE A NOTE OF IT.

I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS SOMEBODY LOOKS AT THIS AND THEY JUMP TO AN ERRONEOUS CONCLUSION, BECAUSE THEY SEE THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT'S EXCLUDED.

SO JUST PUT A SENTENCE IN SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, NOTE COLON AND THEN JUST STATE WHATEVER THE FACTS ARE REGARDING THIS, THIS AREA OF LAND, I MEAN, INCLUDING YOUR ASPIRATIONAL COMMENT TO HAVE IT BECOME A PARK SOMEDAY.

I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU PUT IN THERE, JUST SO THAT IT'S CLEAR WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN'T IN WHAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO ADOPT.

I MEAN, THE YEAH. THANK YOU. THE LANGUAGE THAT'S ON PAGE 14, KIND OF FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, DOES THAT I GUESS YOU COULD ADD A STATEMENT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH NOT INCLUDED IN THE OVERLAY TECHNICALLY OUTSIDE THE OVERLAY AREA, THAT THIS IS A SUGGESTED TRAIL AMENITY FOR THE CITY PARKS, YOU KNOW, ETC..

BUT SINCE THERE'S NOT A I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THERE BEING AN INFERENCE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. IF THERE WAS A MAP RIGHT THERE AND IT HAD A PIN ON IT THAT SAID, THIS IS THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LANGUAGE THERE IS OKAY.

BUT IF IF IT GIVES EVERYBODY MORE COMFORT THAT WE PUT A DISCLAIMER IN THERE THAT THAT WORKS TOO.

YEAH, I AGREE, I THINK THAT COVERS IT. A PRECURSOR OF ALTHOUGH IT DOES NOT IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE MAPPING.

YEAH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE ADRIAN. YES, YES I'M GOING TO KEEP MOVING THIS ALONG.

OKAY. PAGE 15. NO CHANGES. 16. NO CHANGES 17 THERE.

18 OKAY. 18 IS THE NEXT PAGE WITH EDITS. LET ME CATCH UP ON MY PAPER COPY HERE. OKAY. THIS IS THE PAGE 18 DESIGN GUIDANCE RECOMMENDATION SECTION.

THAT FIRST BULLET POINT MAINTAIN THE TRANSITION.

WE'VE ADDED THE IN PARENTHESES. STEPPING DOWN ON OF SCALE AND MASSING OF STRUCTURES.

AND THEN WE'VE WE'VE BETWEEN US 31 AND ILLINOIS STREET TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT, TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE.

THE DISCUSSION DURING THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT THE WESTERN EDGE ISN'T THE ONLY LOCATION FOR RESIDENTIAL.

SO WE WE WANTED TO BE MORE GENERAL THAT WE'RE MINIMIZING IMPACT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.

AND THEN SEVERAL BULLET POINTS DOWN MINIMIZE USE OF HIGH WALL SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING FACING RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

YEAH, WE'RE ADDING INCLUDING INTERIOR LIGHTING OF NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AFTER HOURS OF OPERATION.

CAN WE I HAD TO READ THAT A COUPLE TIMES. ANY CHANCE WE COULD JUST CLARIFY, INSTEAD OF USING THE WORD INCLUDING.

MAYBE IT'S SAYING AND MINIMIZE IS THE USE OF INTERIOR LIGHTING OF NONRESIDENTIAL INSTEAD OF.

BECAUSE WHEN I READ THAT WHOLE THING, I HAD TO READ IT A COUPLE TIMES. MAYBE JUST CLARIFY THAT.

YES. THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? CONCERNS ON PAGE 18. OKAY.

MOVE ALONG. 19. NO CHANGES. 20 A BRIEF CHANGE.

OH, YES. COUNCILMAN. SORRY. I WAS TRYING TO READ MY NOTES, AND I TEXTED MYSELF A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS. SO ON PAGE 18, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INCLUDING INTERIOR LIGHTING OF NONRESIDENTS.

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IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER? IN IN THIS AREA, IT'S IS IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE BULLETS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH I BELIEVE THAT. YEAH. THE THE PURPOSE OF THIS BULLET IS ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION IN GENERAL.

IN GENERAL. I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE BECAUSE OF HIGH WALL SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING FACING RESIDENTIAL.

IF WE NEED TO MAKE THAT MORE CLEAR, WE CAN ADD THAT PHRASE.

BUT MAYBE SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL THAT AND I DON'T WANT TO CALL OUT A BUSINESS LOCALLY, BUT THERE IS ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS A BIG SIGN THAT ILLUMINATES INTO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.

TRY AND AVOID THAT IF WE CAN.

OKAY. MOVING ALONG. 19 AGAIN. NO CHANGES. SMALL CHANGE ON 20, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO HAVE YOU READ.

ADRIAN. LOOKS LIKE JUST THE INCLUSION OF THE WEB ADDRESS FOR THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN.

SO THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. YEAH, IT'S A IT'S A WEB LINK TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

SECTION 21. NO. 22, WE'VE GOT A NEW LEGEND ON THE MAP.

IT LOOKS LIKE. OKAY, AGAIN, THIS WE'VE EXPANDED THE MAP ACROSS TWO PAGES. WE HAVE ADDED ADDED A STATEMENT IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ABOUT THE PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT SITES AS REQUESTED. IT SAYS THE PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT SITES ARE BASED ON THEIR LIKELIHOOD TO EXPERIENCE REINVESTMENT WITHIN THE NEXT TEN YEARS AND OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT COMMUNITY GOALS, INCLUDING REDEVELOPMENT OF OTHER SITES WITHIN THIS US 31 AREA.

MOVING DOWN TO THE THE BOTTOM LINE WE'VE ADDED AT A CLARIFICATION, ADDED CLARIFICATION THAT ROUTES SLASH TRAILS ARE NOT DRAWN TO SCALE. WE'VE.

HIGHLIGHTED BY DRAWING ADDING A HIGHLIGHT TO THAT PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OF US 31 AND THEN. ADDED BASED ON OTHER DISCUSSIONS OUTSIDE OF THIS PLAN. BUT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYTHING IS FUNDED OR THE LIKELIHOOD, BUT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION OF AN ALIGNMENT OF AN AUTUMN GREENWAY CONNECTING THE MONON AND TOWARD THE US 31. SO, AGAIN, ALIGNMENTS AND ROUTES AREN'T DRAWN TO SCALE, BUT THE THE IMPORTANT PIECE IS, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE POLICIES AND THE DRAFTING OF THIS PLAN IS TRYING TO SHORTEN THE DISTANCE AND NOT LITERALLY SHORTEN IT, BUT MAKE EASIER CONNECTIONS FROM THE CENTRAL AREA TO CONNECT WITH THE THE US 31 CORRIDOR, EAST WEST CONNECTIONS.

THANK YOU. I GUESS LOOKING AT IT FROM AS I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP HERE WITH THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, THE YELLOW, THE YELLOW SECTION THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED, DOES THAT NEED TO BE AT THE BOTTOM WITH ALL THE OTHER ADDITIONAL TRAIL LEGENDS? I KNOW IT SAYS PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE PROPOSED ON PAGE 23, BUT IN KEEPING IT UNIFORM WITH THE OTHER FEATURES HIGHLIGHTED, DOES THAT NEED TO BE AT THE BOTTOM? OKAY. OH IN THE LEGEND.

OKAY. WHAT ELSE. ANY QUESTIONS. BECAUSE I WAS JUST ASKING IF YOU CAN JUST TELL US CLARIFICATION ON WHY, WHY AND HOW THE, THE ALIGNMENT OR ROUTING FOR THE GREENWAY MOVED.

IT USED TO RUN PARALLEL IN A PRIOR VERSION TO CITY CENTER.

AND NOW IT'S OFF ON ITS OWN I GUESS. SO IS THAT ALL ALL FIGURED OUT ALREADY, I GUESS.

OR JUST POTENTIAL ROUTING. I DON'T LET ME LET ME FIND THE OLD PAGE.

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WAS IT CITY CENTER DRIVE? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YEAH. AND A LOT OF THAT IS, I BELIEVE, ALREADY EXISTING.

BUT WHAT. AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO, TO EXIST. BUT IN IN OTHER DISCUSSIONS, WE REALIZED THAT WE HAD NOT INCLUDED THE AUTUMN GREEN, THE POTENTIAL AUTUMN GREENWAY ALIGNMENT.

SO WE CAN KEEP THEM BOTH ON THERE, THE CITY CENTER DRIVE.

BUT WE FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT COULD BE TOO BUSY WITH JUST FROM A VISUAL PURPOSE SINCE THE CITY CENTER DRIVE PATH IS PRIMARILY EXISTING THAT WE DECIDED TO SHOW THE AUTUMN GREENWAY ALIGNMENT INSTEAD.

BUT WE CAN WE CAN KEEP THEM BOTH ON THERE. NO, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS MY GOAL, I JUST DIDN'T I JUST NOTICED IT HAD MOVED.

I THOUGHT MAYBE WE KNEW MORE INFORMATION THAN WE DID BEFORE, OR DIFFERENT ROUTING IF THERE WAS A STORY BEHIND IT.

AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S MAYBE A SEPARATION OR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WHAT WAS SHOWN BEFORE AND WHAT'S THERE NOW.

YEAH. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THESE TWO PAGES.

THIS IS KIND OF GOING BACK, BUT I THINK THIS LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER COULD BE A GREAT ILLUSTRATION.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY NEEDS TO HAVE ALL THE THE TRAILS AND INFRASTRUCTURE THERE.

BUT JUST TO ILLUSTRATE THE GREEN SPACE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL ON PAGE 14 IF THAT COULD BE.

INSTEAD OF THIS BEING A HUGE TRAIL IMAGE, IT COULD BE SHRUNK.

AND THEN ADD THAT AS A LITTLE SCREENSHOT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? ILLUSTRATE THE 20 ACRES AS REFERENCED. I THINK THAT WOULD CLEAR UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS IF YOU INSERTED JUST THIS LOWER RIGHT HAND PORTION ONTO THE PAGE 14. MOVE THE LANGUAGE OR DUPLICATE THE LANGUAGE ONTO THE MAP.

NOT CHANGE, NOT CHANGE. PAGE 22. BUT TAKE JUST THAT MAP PORTION THAT HIGHLIGHTS IN GREEN THE 20 ACRES AND THEN INSERT THAT ON PAGE 14.

OH, I SEE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK BECAUSE I THINK UNLESS YOU DOVE INTO THE GIS AND CALCULATE ACREAGE AND ALL THAT, I THINK IT THAT ILLUSTRATES IT PERFECTLY. I AGREE.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD SUGGESTION. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THESE MAPS. I JUST APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE LARGER.

OKAY, THAT TAKES US TO THE APPENDIX. THERE IS A BONUS PAGE AFTER.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT, THE BONUS PAGE. YEAH, THE BONUS PAGE.

THIS IS THE MOBILITY AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN MAP THAT IS IN THE LARGER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND WE ARE SHOWING AS A RESULT OF WHAT HAS BEEN SHOWN ON THE SUBAREA PLAN.

THE NORTH SOUTH FEATURE TRAIL ALONG THAT KIND OF CROSSES NORTH AND SOUTH THROUGH FIDELITY AND THROUGH IU HEALTH AND EXTENDING NORTH AS WELL AS THE EAST WEST CONNECTION.

THE, THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND CONNECTION HAS BEEN ON THE PLAN FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING TO SHOW THESE MORE AS GREENWAYS THAN MULTI-USE PATHS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ENTIRELY ON, ON STREET ROUTES.

THEY'RE KIND OF BOTH. BUT WE'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE AS GREENWAYS, AS A, AS A REFLECTION OF THE SUBAREA PLAN ONTO THE LARGER MAP.

OKAY. ONLY ONLY ONE THING. OH, JONATHAN. GO AHEAD.

YEAH. THIS IS JUST A CLEANUP, BUT OVER AT RIVER ROAD AND 126TH, IT SHOWS THE BRIDGE CROSSING OVER INTO FISHERS AS PROPOSED. THAT'LL BE DONE BY THE TIME THIS IS ADOPTED.

107. 6106. YES.

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I ACTUALLY HAD MY TIMER SET, SO 13 MINUTES TO SPARE.

THIS IS GREAT. OKAY, SO FROM HERE, I THINK THIS COMES BACK TO FULL PLAN COMMISSION FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.

CORRECT. IF YOU IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO VOTE THAT WAY, TO VOTE THAT WAY.

AND THERE WAS STILL THERE'S JUST A COUPLE CHANGES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL HAVE NO TROUBLE MAKING THOSE IN TWO WEEKS OR.

YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I THINK I THINK THAT DEADLINE WOULD BE OCTOBER 10TH.

MAYBE I'M GOING TO BE OUT OF TOWN SOME, BUT WE CAN.

THOSE ARE EASY ENOUGH TO BE TO MAKE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO FORWARD THE 31 SUB AREA DOCUMENT TO THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE ADDITION OF THE CHANGES REQUESTED THIS EVENING.

SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING. THANK YOU EVERYONE.

THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT WORK. YOU KNOW, WE SOUND LIKE WE'RE NITPICKING, BUT WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS.

WE'VE DONE A HALF HOUR EARLIER THAN I THOUGHT WE WOULD. IT TAKES EVERYONE'S EYES ON THESE DOCUMENTS LIKE THIS.

YEAH, I LIKE IT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.