[A. Call Meeting to Order]
[B. Pledge of Allegiance]
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>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 23RD, 2025 MEETING OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION. PLEASE JOIN US IN SAYING THE
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR.
[C. Roll Call ]
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?[D. Declaration of Quorum ]
[E. Approval of Minutes ]
>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUORUM . JUST BARELY, BUT WE HAVE A QUORUM. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF OUR SEPTEMBER PLAN COMMISSION MEETINGS. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? THANK YOU .
THANK YOU, JEFF. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING OUR SEPTEMBER PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES, PLEASE SAY
[F. Communications, Bills, Expenditures, & Legal Counsel Report ]
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. NEXT UP, COMMUNICATIONS, BILLS, EXPENDITURES, AND LEGAL COUNSELREPORT. >> I DO HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT AND RECOMMENDATION TODAY FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS. NUMBER PZ-2025-00205. AMENDMENTS YOU D.O. ARTICLE ONE.
UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE NOT ABLE TO SATISFY OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. AND ALTHOUGH WE DID SATISFY STATE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL OF THIS, YOU DON'T HAVE TWO MEMBERS PRESENT TO SUSPEND THE RULES, SEE YOU CANNOT ACT OR RECEIVE ANY INFORMATION AS OF TODAY. HOWEVER, MY SUGGESTION IS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPEDITE THIS ITEM TO SEND IT TO COMMITTEE FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER 4TH AT 6:00 P.M. IN THIS CHAMBER. THIS WAY WE WILL BE ABLE TO SAVE A COUPLE WEEKS FOR CONSIDERATION OF THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE WILL ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE GET TO
[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns ]
THE AGENDA IF THAT WORKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL MOVE ON TO REPORTS, ANNOUNCEMENTS, AND DEPARTMENT CONCERNS. I WILL TURNIT OVER TO STAFF. >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE FROM THE OUTCOME OF PROJECTS COMMITTEE.
THE JACKSONS GRANT VILLAGE SECTION 3 DEVELOPMENT PRIMARY PLAT WAS HEARD AND RECEIVED A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLAN COMMISSION THIS EVENING. THE HOME PLACE SUBAREA PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE CONFERENCE A PLAN DISCUSSED AND CONTINUED TO THE NOVEMBER 4TH COMMITTEE MEETING. AND THE U.S. 31 SUBAREA PLAN PLAN AMENDMENT WAS SENT WITH FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION
[H.1. Docket No. PZ-2025-00184 PUD: Illinois Street Townhomes PUD Rezone ]
BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT . AND THAT IS ALL IHAVE. >> GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THIS NOW BRINGS US TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING.
WE HAVE TWO DOCKETS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. AFTER THAT WE HAVE OLD BUSINESS AND TWO DOCKETS FOR OLD BUSINESS.
OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-00184 .
PUD ILLINOIS STREET TOWNHOMES PUD REZONE. THE APPLICANT SEEKS PUD REZONE APPROVAL TO ALLOW A NEW TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD WITH 31 TOWNHOMES. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 220 WEST 106TH STREET AND IS ZONED MC/MERIDIAN CORRIDOR. IT IS FILED BY JIM SHINAVER AND JON DOBOSIEWICZ OF NELSON AND FRANKENBERGER ON BEHALF OF PULTE HOMES OF INDIANA. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. CAN YOU TURN YOUR LIGHT
ON? THANK YOU. >> FOR THE RECORD, JON DOBOSIEWICZ WITH LAND-USE PROFESSIONAL PRAYER LAW FIRM OF NELSON AND FRANKENBERGER. WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF PULTE HOMES OF INDIANA AND OTHER MEMBERS OF HIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM . JIM SHINAVER , 20 WITH OUR OFFICE AS WELL. PULTE IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE PUD TO -- DEVELOP INTO A SMALL HOME, INCLUDING 28 HOMES SINCE THE NOTICE WENT OUT THERE WAS A REDUCTION BETWEEN OUR TECHNICAL REVIEW AND THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE PROVIDED IN YOUR BROCHURES DOWN TO 28. THE AGENDA STILL SAYS 31 BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS HOW WE ADVERTISED IT BECAUSE THAT NOTICE WENT OUT IN ADVANCE OF OUR RESPONSE TO TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE COMMENTS. THE REAL ESTATE'S IDENTIFIED THIS AREA. IT IS ON DISPLAY INCLUDED BEHIND TAB TWO OF THE INFORMATIONAL BROCHURES WE PROVIDED. IT IS AN INFILL SITE
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LOCATED NORTH OF 106TH STREET. YOU CAN SEE 105TH STREET LOCATED ON THE SOUTH EDGE. BETWEEN U.S. HIGHWAY 31 WHICH IS OUR EASTERN PERIMETER AND ILLINOIS STREET, WHICH IS ALONG OUR WESTERN PERIMETER. THE REAL ESTATE IS ADJACENT TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH IS THE FARMERS MUTUAL INSURANCE BUILDING . ANOTHER OFFICE IS LOCATED HERE ON 106TH STREET STREET. ACROSS ILLINOIS STREET TO THE WEST IS THE SPRINGVILLE HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S INDIVIDUAL LOTS WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HERE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT SPACE COMING DOWN ILLINOIS STREET . THERE IS A WALL ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE LOTS ALONG THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PROVIDE THAT TRANSITION AND SEPARATION BETWEEN THEIR HOME LOTS AND ILLINOIS STREET. IT IS AN IN FILTH SITE LOCATED . IT IS ALSO 4.4 ACRES IN AREA. THE SUBJECT SITE IS VERY TIGHT FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT BECAUSE IT IS SMALL IN AREA. JUST 4.4 ACRES. TRIANGULAR IN SHAPE. TWO STRINGS ALONG THE SOUTH REMITTER. THERE IS A PRIMARY STREAM THAT RUNS UNDER 31 HERE ALONG THE SOUTH EDGE AND THERE IS A DRAW THAT PICKS UP AND A CULVERT COME SOUTH ACROSS UP UNDERNEATH ILLINOIS STREET AND CONNECTS UP ABOUT THIS VICINITY RIGHT HERE. THE SITE LENDS ITSELF TO PROVIDE A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL USES BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH ALONG THE U.S. 31 CORRIDOR AND THE SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD TO OUR WEST ON THE WEST SIDE OF ILLINOIS STREET. DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY FOR SALE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING TOWNHOMES TO PROVIDE A PRODUCTIVE USE OF THE SITE AND RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION IN AN OTHERWISE MARTIAL AREA WHERE MIXED USES ARE ENCOURAGED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE EXHIBIT NOW ON DISPLAY IS A COLOR CONCEPT PLAN AS I INDICATED A MOMENT AGO. 28 LOTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN TODAY. THIS EXHIBIT IS ALSO INCLUDED BEHIND TAB THREE OF YOUR BROCHURES. AS INDICATED, THE PLAN IS TO DEVELOP A FOR-SALE TOWNHOME RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY ON THE REAL ESTATE , ACCESS TO THE REAL ESTATE AND THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE PROVIDED FROM ILLINOIS STREET RIGHT HERE. ADDITIONAL NEW PUBLIC STREET. THAT AREA IN THE DARKER GRAY IS A PUBLIC STREET. THE CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDES OPEN SPACE ALLOWED THE SOUTH PERIMETER. TWO STREAM CORRIDORS.TOWNHOME BUILDINGS ARE POSITIONED NEAR THE NORTHERN AREA. THE SITE WITH THE FEWEST MATURE TREES IN THE SPACE TODAY.
STORM WATER RETENTION IS PROVIDED SOUTH OF THOSE TOWNHOMES AND NORTH OF THE STREAMS. THAT'S THE AREA. A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT GREEN COLOR LOCATED RIGHT HERE. NORTH OF AN ON-SITE FLOOD ZONE. THE AREA WILL ALLOW FOR TREE PRESERVATION, WHICH WILL FURTHER EXPLORE COMMITTEE STAFF REQUEST WOODLAND EVALUATION PREPARED STAFF LATER THIS WEEK. FINALLY, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WILL CONNECT THE PATH ON THE EAST SIDE OF ILLINOIS STREET, WHICH ENDS HERE TODAY AT 106TH STREET AND THE SOUTH EDGE OF FORTE. IT WILL PROVIDE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT SEGMENT THAT IS ON ALONG THE SUBJECT REAL ESTATE . CHARACTER ILLUSTRATIONS OF THE PROPOSED TOWNHOMES , OF WHICH THIS IS A SIX-UNIT BUILDING , ARE PROVIDED BEHIND TAB FOUR OF YOUR BROCHURES. THREE DIFFERENT PAGES. ONE SHOWN PREDOMINANTLY HERE AS WELL AS FOR BOTH SIDES OF ELEVATIONS ON THE FOLLOWING PAGES. TOWNHOMES WILL RANGE IN ANTICIPATING SALES PRICE BETWEEN 500 AND $550,000 TOWNHOMES WILL PROVIDE A PEDESTRIAN DESIGN ALONG ILLINOIS STREET. NO GARAGE DOORS WILL FACE ILLINOIS STREET, HOWEVER. MASONRY IS INCLUDED ON ALL BUILDING ELEVATIONS, MORE SO ON THE FRONT ELEVATION BETWEEN A SINGLE STORY AND TWO STORIES AS YOU SEE HERE WITH SIDE ELEVATIONS, WHICH INCLUDE FIRST FLOOR FOR MASONRY AND REAR ELEVATION WITH MASONRY CODE. THE TOWNHOMES ARE THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT TO BE CONSISTENT IN SCALE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES. AS I MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO, PULTE WAS EXPLORING A FLAT ROOF DESIGN THAT WAS MORE AKIN TO FORTE TO OUR NORTH AND A TEACHER OF DESIGN, WHICH BLENDED A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE INDIANA FARMERS MUTUAL INSURANCE AND SETTLED ON A MORE RESIDENTIAL APPEARING DESIGN BEING CLOSER IN PROXIMITY AND TRYING TO CREATE A MORE REASONABLE OR INAPPROPRIATE TRANSITION, RATHER, TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, WHICH EXIST ON THE WEST SIDE OF ILLINOIS STREET. REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , THE REAL ESTATE IS AN INFILL SITE AND SINCE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT EXPANDS HOUSING OPTIONS, ENHANCES WALK ABILITY,
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PRESERVES MATURE TREES, AND PROTECTS SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT REALLY IS GEARED TOWARD US. IT ALSO PROVIDES ADDITIONAL ITEMS, WHICH ARE IDENTIFIED BY STAFF IN THE DEPARTMENTAL REPORT. AND PLACES RESIDENTS IN CLOSER PROXIMITY TO DEALER -- DAILY USES. THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY RESIDENTIAL IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO FORTE TO THE NORTH AND EXPANDING IN AREAS FURTHER NORTH AND AS WELL AS SOUTH ON THE SEGMENT OF THE CORRIDOR . IN CONCLUSION, WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO . THERE WAS ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO ATTENDED THAT. WE SPENT ABOUT 20 TO 30 MINUTES WITH THEM WALKING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT MATERIALS YOU WOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING. IT IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY SUBMITTED ANYTHING IN WRITING.STAFF AS A REGULAR EARLIER TODAY THERE WERE NO COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC PRESENTED FOR DISTRIBUTION TO THE PLAN COMMISSION. WE HAVE REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT ON THEIR COMMENTS REGARDING ARCHITECTURE AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING AND TREE PLANTINGS.
IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING AT THE CONCLUSION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING THE PLAN COMMISSION WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THIS MATTER FOR DISCUSSION AT COMMITTEE. I THINK THE DATE IS NOVEMBER 3RD OR FOURTH. I SEE 4TH GOING UP . AND WE WILL BE PREPARED AT THAT TIME TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION BOTH IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING AND AT THE MEETING REGARDING THE TREE INVENTORY STAFF REQUESTED AND A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL REGARDING WHERE TREE PRESERVATION WOULD TAKE PLACE ON THE SITE. WE JUST HAVE NOT REACHED THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL IN OUR ANALYSIS BEFORE STAFF HAS PREPARED ITS REPORT.
WITH THAT, I WILL BE GLAD TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION HAS EITHER AT THIS TIME OR THE CONCLUSION OF THE
PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH , JON.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION OF THIS PETITION? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL MOVE ON TO THE DEPARTMENT. STAFF? THANK
YOU. >> THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE SITE FROM THE MC MERIDIAN CORRIDOR TO A PUD TO ALLOW A TOWNHOME SUBDIVISION. ONE ITEM THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN REVIEWING REZONE PROPOSALS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , AND I WROTE SEVERAL ITEMS IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT THAT. SOME OF THE POLICIES , GOALS, AND OBJECTIVES FROM THE COMP PLAN CALL FOR THINGS SUCH AS VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, MIXTURE OF LAND USES, SAFE WALKING AND BIKING , PRESERVATION OF MATURE TREES, AND GREEN BUILDING PRACTICES. THIS AREA IS SPECIFICALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT AREA . BUILDING A TOWNHOME COMMUNITY IN DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT AREA IS NOT A TYPICAL LAND-USE WE MIGHT EXPECT SINCE THAT IS MOSTLY ALONG U.S. 31 WHERE WE WOULD SEE TALLER OFFICE WERE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. HOWEVER, IT DOES ADDRESS SEVERAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE -- THIS DEVELOPMENT ADDRESSES SEVERAL OTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS AND PROVIDES A TRANSITION FROM U.S. 31 ON THE EAST TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE THREE-STORY HEIGHT OF THE TOWNHOMES IS ALSO COMPLEMENTARY TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS DIRECTLY NORTH AND SOUTH GRID IN THE TOWNHOME USE ALLOWS FOR PRESERVATION OF OPEN SPACE HERE AS WELL, INCLUDING HOPEFULLY SOME TREE PRESERVATION IN THEM SENSITIVITY TO THE NEARBY STREAM THE PETITIONER WAS SPEAKING OF EARLIER. REGARDING THE PUD AND THE SITE, THERE IS PROPOSED TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 28 TOWNHOMES . ONE ROAD WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC . THE TOWNHOMES HAVE A FRONT LOAD GARAGE OFF OF THIS NEW STREET . A SIDEWALK IS ONLY PROPOSED ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND NO STREET TREES ARE PROPOSED AT THIS TIME, SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE PETITIONER ON TO TRY TO MAKE THIS STREET WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY SEE FROM HIS SUBDIVISION. 1.7 ACRES OR ABOUT 35% OF THE SITE IS REQUIRED IN THE COMMON AREA. STORM DRAINAGE WILL BE ACCOMMODATED BY A DRY POND AS MENTIONED. REQUIRED IN THE PUD. THE UDO DOES REQUIRE TWO PARKING SPACES LAST ONE -- I THINK THEY ACCOMMODATE THAT WITH THE SITE PLAN. JUST WANTED TO SEE THAT WRITTEN INTO THE TEXT OF THE PUD. WE HAVE REVIEWED THEIR INITIAL PUD SITE PLAN AND WE HAVE MADE SEVERAL COMMENTS.
THEY HAVE MADE SOME REVISIONS AND ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, HOWEVER THERE ARE STILL SOME ITEMS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO PROVIDING A WOODLAND EVALUATION FOR THE SITE , INCLUDING A MINIMUM PERCENTAGE OF TREES TO BE PRESERVED ON THE SITE IN THE PUD. ADDING SIDEWALKS TO BOTH SIDES . WE WANTED TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON
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THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS WITH THEM IN THE PUD. THERE ARE SOME CHANGES WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE. ADDING ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TREES TO BE PLANTED. I BELIEVE THEY REQUIRED 10 TREES PER ACRE OF COMMON AREA, BUT THEY ALLOW EXISTING TREES TO COUNT TOWARDS THAT. AND I THINK IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE REMOVING SOME TREES, WE WANT TO SEE THOSE TREES PRESERVED. BUT IF THERE IS OPEN SPACE, WE ALSO WANT TO SEE THE NEW TREES PER ACRE PLANTED AS WELL. AND THEN ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME BUFFER REQUIREMENTS ADDED AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE PER THE UDO. SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THIS ITEM GO TO THE NOVEMBER 4TH SUBCOMMITTEE . AND I'M CONTINUING TO REVIEWTHAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS NOW CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. ANYBODY LIKE TO GO
FIRST? DUBBIE? >> TAKE TWO. JUST TO CONFIRM, WHERE THE CREEK COMES THROUGH -- THAT IS A DESIGNATED FLOODPLAIN, CORRECT? OKAY. AND MY COMMENTS ARE , I CONCUR WITH STAFF COMMENTS ABOUT TREE PRESERVATION AND THAT WE END UP WITH A NET NUMBER OF TREES REGARDLESSOF WHETHER YOU ARE TAKING THEM OUT OR LEAVING THEM. BUT THAT WE AIR ON THE SIDE OF MORE TREES RATHER THAN FEWER TREES. AND I AM FOR THE SAKE OF THOSE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING, THE ENTRANCES ARE ALL OFF OF THAT STREET THAT WILL BE COMING IN . WE DON'T CALL THEM DEAD ENDS ANYMORE.
>> CUL-DE-SAC. >> I KNOW IT IS A CUL-DE-SAC.
BUT WE -- WELL, NO. IT IS NOT A DEAD-END. WHAT DO WE CALL THEM
NOW WHEN WE SAY -- HUH ? >> WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT. >> ANYWAY. THE ENTRANCES ARE ALL
OFF THE STREET, CORRECT? >> RIGHT. NO INDIVIDUAL ACCESS OFF OF ILLINOIS STREET. ALL THE DRIVEWAYS WOULD ACCESS OFF OF THE INTERNAL STREET THAT THEN CONNECTS OFF ILLINOIS.
>> I JUST THOUGHT THOSE COMMENTS WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ANYBODY WHO MAY BE WATCHING. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.
>> ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS YOU CAN SEE -- YOU SEE THE DASHED LINES THAT ARE REPRESENTED HERE? THAT IS AN EXISTING SANITARY EASEMENT THAT JUMPS THE CREEK AND GOES ALONG THE SOUTH EDGE.
THE CREEK HAS DESIGNATED FLOOD ZONE, AND THEN THE CITY OF CARMEL, DIFFERENT THAN SOME JURISDICTIONS -- I'M ONLY OBSERVING IS DIFFERENT IN SOME JURISDICTIONS -- ON TOP OF THAT WITH THE DESIGNATION OF THE FLOAT -- FLOOD ZONE IS AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK FROM THAT LINE, WHICH CREATES -- AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE AREA WHERE THE DRY RETENTION IS, SO WE ARE PUSHED BY THE IRREGULAR SHAPE OF THAT BECAUSE THE CREEK MEANDERS ON THE SOUTH EDGE IN ITS TRIANGULAR SHAPE, AND IT PUSHES EVERYTHING NORTH. THE EXTRA 25 FEET NORTH IS ON TOP OF THE SPACE WHERE WE MIGHT ASK FOR SOME CONSIDERATION LIKE JUST HERE AT THE VERY EDGE OF THIS CUL-DE-SAC OR ANOTHER AREA WHERE IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT IS IN THAT 25 FOOT PROTECTION ZONE THAT THERE REALLY ISN'T OTHERWISE ANY STANDARD OTHER THAN IT WAS CHOSEN AT 25 FEET . THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES PROVIDED ON THE SOUTH SIDE MEET THE REQUIREMENT IDENTIFIED BY STAFF. IN THIS SPACE HERE -- WE JUST GOT THIS TODAY. A LITTLE BIT OF A WORK IN PROGRESS ALONG WITH AN EVALUATION. THE AREA HERE IN RED , WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT AREA AS YOU WOULD ATTRIBUTE IT TO THE 4.4 ACRE SITE -- THIS REPRESENTS SPACES WHERE WE CAN SAVE TREES. IT IS ALONG THE FLOOD ZONE IN PARTICULAR IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE INTERNAL TO THE SITE. THOSE EASEMENTS I TALKED ABOUT . AND THEN THERE IS THE INTERNAL SETBACK. WE ARE REALLY SQUEEZED NORTH AND SOUTH. WE ARE PROVIDING SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. THIS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHERS BECAUSE PEOPLE'S ACTIVITY SPACE EIGHT HOMES IS NOT GOING TO BE A HIGH LEVEL OF TRAFFIC. AND WE DON'T THINK IT IS TOO BIG OF A STRETCH TO ASK FOLKS TO WALK DOWN THEIR DRIVEWAY AND THEN CROSS THE STREET TO BE ABLE TO GET OVER TO THE SIDEWALK WITH THAT LITTLE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN PLACE. ADDING A TREE LAWN TO THE SITUATION ADDS AN ADDITIONAL 8 TO 10 FEET ACROSS THE SITE THAT FRANKLY JUST CANNOT BE GIVEN UP BASED ON CONFIGURATION OF THE PROPERTY THAT EXISTS TODAY . BASED ON ALL OF THE SETBACKS.
THE 25 FEET ADDITION ON THOSE FLOOD ZONE. WE ARE PUSHED ABOUT AS CLOSE TO THE NORTH AS WE CAN BE. TRANSITION THAT OCCURS ON THE FORTE SITE. YOU CAN SEE THERE THEIR DRIVEWAY -- THAT DRIVEWAY -- I WOULD NOT CALL IT A GRADE BECAUSE WHEN THEY
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DEVELOPED THE SITE, THEY LEVELED THE PLAT SITE . THEY ARE PICKING UP GREAT ON THE SOUTH END AND IT TRANSITIONS FROM THAT DRIVE TO THE PROPERTY LINE BY ABOUT 8 TO 10 FEET. IN SOME LOCATIONS. MORE SO AT THE WESTERN EDGE THEN THE EASTERN SIDE. IT PICKS BACK UP AT THE EASTERN SIDE. SO WE WILL BE DEALING WITH GREAT TRANSITION ON THE BACKSIDE STORMWATER AND OTHER ITEMS. I'M JUST TRYING TO , AGAIN, JUST PROVIDE MORE CONTEXT FOR THAT DISCUSSION. I KNOW WE WILL HAVE COMMITTEE ABOUT TREES AND WHERE WE CAN AND CANNOT PLANT TREES. WE ARE ALL ABOUT SAVING TREES BECAUSE IT ADDS VALUE. WE WILL IDENTIFY THROUGH THE COMMUNITY PROCESS ADDITIONAL AREAS WHERE WE CAN AVOID EASEMENTS AND PLANT ADDITIONAL TREES. IT MIGHT NOT BE TO THAT 10 PER ACRE STANDARD, BUT THAT IS IN ADDITION TO TREE PRESERVATION. THERE'S CLEARLY MORE TREES IN THAT TREE PRESERVATION AREA OUTLINED IN RED THEN WOULD MEET THE STANDARD. BUT WE WILL SEE WHERE WE CAN COME ON TOP OF THAT WITH THE ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS AND SPACES LIKE THAT BETWEEN BUILDINGS AND SOUTH OF THE BUILDINGS WHERE THEY MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE FOR THOSESURROUNDING SITES. >> THANK YOU. WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU. SINCE YOU ARE STILL ON THIS, THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF MY CONCERNS . THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP . WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AT COMMITTEE. TO GO IN DEPTH ABOUT WHAT TREES YOU ARE SAVING, WHAT ARE YOU PLANTING. I AGREE WITH THE STAFF ON THE TREE-LINED STREETS GOING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT . BUT ALSO WHAT IS THE BUFFER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FORTE? IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING SAVED WHERE YOU CAN BRING THAT TO COMMITTEE AND TALK ABOUT. I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE I COMPLETELY AGREED WITH THE STAFF. AND IT MIGHT MEAN -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THIS. NOT DOING FRONTLOADING GARAGES. FRONTLOADING GARAGES, YOUR ENTIRE STREETSCAPE IS GARAGES. AND THEN YOU RUN OUT OF ROOM TO HAVE A TREE LAWN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT ROOM TO CONFIGURE IT IN ANOTHER WAY, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT AT LEAST IN MY OPINION I COMPLETELY SUPPORT STAFF ON SAVING THE TREES AND DOING IT -- THE TREE SCAPE GOING DOWN THE STREET. YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY FOR A
WHILE. >> I DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF
>> NO. I'VE GOT OTHER STUFF. I'M GOING TO COME BACK LATER.
YOU GO ON. >> I'VE GOT A HANDFUL OF SOME RANDOM THOUGHTS IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE THAT UP, JON. FROM A BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE, I GUESS I WILL THROW THIS OUT THERE. I'M CURIOUS WHAT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THINK. U.S. 31 CORRIDOR. WE MIGHT HAVE EXPECTED A COMMERCIAL OR BUSINESS TYPE USE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT ELSE IS ALONG THE REMAINDER OF THE MERIDIAN STREET CORRIDOR BETWEEN ILLINOIS AND MERIDIAN.
BUT STARING AT THE DRAINAGE PIECE AND JON'S DESCRIPTION OF THE SANITARY SEWER PIECE. EXPECT TO SEE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH PARKING AND ALL THESE THINGS. MAYBE THAT PRESENTS A CHALLENGE. MAYBE THAT IS WHY THERE IS NOT SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE. CURIOUS WHAT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THINK.
SETTING THAT ASIDE FROM A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT , I DO ECHO STAFF -- SIMILAR THOUGHTS ON THE TREES .
MAYBE IT IS NOT FEASIBLE TO SAVE TREES ALONG THE VERY NORTH PROPERTY LINE. MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOMETHING DONE THERE FROM A VALUE STANDPOINT LIKE YOU MENTIONED. LIGHTING THAT RUNS ALONG FORTE. SO DO WE END UP WITH NEIGHBORS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT STREETLIGHTS IN THEIR BACKYARD NOT THAT THEY WOULD NO? BUT TO THE EXTENT THE TREES CAN HELP FOR THAT, I'M SURE THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY. KIND OF MITIGATING CONCERNS LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE. ONE -- WHAT DID I JOT DOWN HERE? I CANNOT EVEN READ MY OWN WRITING. HOLD ON. I GUESS ONE THING I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS ANY RELATIONSHIP OF WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING IN TREE PRESERVATION TO WHAT MAYBE HAS RECENTLY BEEN ACQUIRED FOR WORK ON U.S. 31 THAT IS ALREADY ACTIVE . PRESERVATION AREA SPILLING OUTSIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY OR RIGHT-OF-WAY OR WHATEVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF
THE EXHIBIT. >> THIS CAME HOT OFF THE PRESSES ABOUT 4:00 TODAY. OUR PROPERTY LINE ACTUALLY RUNS RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS ADDITIONAL AREA HERE . IF YOU HAVE BEEN DOWN 31 , THAT IS THE STATE'S REAL ESTATE INDUSTRIES ARE NOT THERE TODAY.
>> I DID NOT KNOW THAT THEY WERE GONE ALREADY.
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>> THEY ARE THERE IN SPIRIT BECAUSE THERE IS A PILE OF
MULCH. >> WE ARE NOT OUTSIDE THE TREE CLEARING TIMEFRAME. I'M SURPRISED. ANYWAY. I WILL LEAVE THAT ALONE. LET THE STATE DEAL WITH THAT. IF THIS STAYS RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL TYPE USE , AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT COMMERCIAL WOULD BE MAYBE ON OUR MINDS. WHAT PART IS SOME OF THE STUFF WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THE SUBAREA PLAN . JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. IF IT DOES STAY RESIDENTIAL AND THEN RELATED TO THE FOLKS WITH PULTE OR OWNERSHIP OR I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DEDICATE THIS OR DOCUMENT THIS . WOULD THERE BE A COMMITMENT TO BE AGAINST OR REJECT A NOISE WALL SO WE DON'T END UP WITH SOMETHING RIGHT ACROSS THIS FRONTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL WITHIN BLOCKS ABOUT? I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW. TELLING YOU ALL THE
GOOD INFO. >> WELL , TO PROHIBIT FREE SPEECH . I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CONTROL THAT. I GUESS WE COULD DOCUMENT IT. THE ONE THING IF YOU EXAMINE THAT FRONTAGE, JEFF , ALL BUT THE NORTHERN PROBABLY 15 FEET ADJACENT TO OUR NORTH PROPERTY LINE OF THAT IS IN THE FLOOD ZONE . SO YOU HAVE GOT THE FLOOD ZONE. IT DROPS PROBABLY ABOUT 15 FEET FROM NORTH TO SOUTH . AND THE CREEK RUNS THROUGH THERE. IT IS NOT IN A CULVERT. THE COLOR STOPS AT 31. SO IF THERE WAS A DESIRE TO CONSTRUCT A SOUND BARRIER THERE , IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO COME UP WITH WHERE IT MIGHT BE LOCATED . I'M NOT SAYING IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, BUT WE CAN EXPLORE THAT.
>> I'M SUGGESTING -- I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU CONSTRUCT A NOISE
BARRIER OR SOUND BARRIER. >> WANT TO CREATE A MECHANISM.
INAUDIBLE ] >> THIS IS ONLY MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT THEY LOOK LIKE THEY LEND THEMSELVES TO GRAFFITI. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO AVOID THE TOPIC. THE STATE IS FAR ENOUGH THEY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DESIGN AGAINST THE OFFRAMP AND AVOID THE CREEK AND THEN YOU STILL END UP WITH ONE. BUT INSTEAD OF BORING THIS GROUP , I WILL DUMB IT DOWN QUICKLY. THERE IS A PROCESS THOSE THINGS SHOW UP. PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS SURVEY THEY DO . IF YOU OPPOSE IT IN A SURVEY THAT THEY DO, QUITE OFTEN THEY DON'T SHOW UP FOR IT SO I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING IF THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO PROPERTY OWNERS SO THAT WE AVOID A 200 FOOT LONG NOISE WALL MOSTLY COMMERCIAL
CORRIDOR. >> WE WILL EXPLORE IT AND COME UP WITH AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO CONVEY THAT. CCRS
>> I WANT TO JUMP IN ON THAT. SINCE YOU ARE NEXT TO 31, I THINK THAT IS A VERY VALID POINT YOU BROUGHT UP , BUT IT WILL BE VERY LOUD FOR THE RESIDENTS LIVING THERE. U.S. 31 IS PRETTY LOUD. ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOUND BUFFERING EXTRA INSTALLATION INSIDE THE TOWNHOMES SO MAYBE THEY ARE NOT HEARING ALL THE NOISE AND MAYBE THEY WON'T WANT
TO DO ANY EXTRA INSTALLATION? >> THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK
>> I THINK THE LAST THING I HAD -- CAN YOU SHOW THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING? COLOR FRONT FACING. YEAH. THAT'S IT.
I AM ALREADY FEELING LIKE I'M OUTSIDE MY AREA OF EXPERTISE AND I USUALLY DON'T WEIGH IN ON ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. THE UPPER FLOOR IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE A TON OF WINDOWS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANYWAY . THAT IS WHAT THEY NEED TO BE.
OKAY. I JUST PUT IT OUT THERE IN CASE THIS COMMISSION CAN SAY, OH, DO THIS. IT WILL LOOK A LOT BETTER . WINDOWS ARE GREAT.
DON'T GET ME WRONG. MAN, THAT LOOKS LIKE A LOT. THAT'S ALL.
>> THE COMMITTEE WILL BRING A COUPLE PHOTOGRAPHS OF SIMILAR INAUDIBLE ] WE WILL BRING SOME PHOTOGRAPHS WITH A SIMILAR WINDOW DISTRIBUTION AND COMMITTEE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT . HAVE A LONGER DISCUSSION ON IT.
>> TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR FIRST POINT, I TOO WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, I DID NOT REALLY THINK OF THIS AS A LOCATION FOR TOWNHOMES. I WAS THINKING COMMERCIAL. AS YOU ARE DESCRIBING THE LAND AND WITH THE TWO STREAMS AND THE FLOODPLAIN, HAVING IT RESIDENTIAL -- THERE MIGHT BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A REALLY BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A LOT OF GREEN SPACE . BUT I, LIKE YOU, WAS NOT REALLY THINKING THIS WAS A GREAT LOCATION FOR TOWNHOMES. SO I WAS REALLY CURIOUS TO HEAR PULTE'S PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT ABOUT THIS SITE MAKES IT GREAT? IF YOU
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COULD ELABORATE MORE ON THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT.>> ITS POSITION WITH REGARD TO PROXIMITY WITH THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES . GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR AN INFILL PROJECT. DIFFICULT FOR THE SITE FOR THE REASONS I DESCRIBED. THE OTHER INTERESTING THING, ZONE MC TODAY IN THE MERIDIAN CORRIDOR TODAY MULTIFAMILY PERMITTED ON SECOND FLOOR AND ABOVE. SO PICTURE A FIVE STORY BUILDING WITH STRUCTURE PARKING BELOW .
FOUR FLOORS. THERE COULD BE 40 APARTMENTS ON A FIVE-STORY BUILDING POSITION ON THIS SITE AND WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT TREE PRESERVATION BECAUSE IN THE EXISTING UNDERLYING ZONING IN THE MC DEVELOPED UNDER THOSE STANDARDS THERE ARE NO REQUIREMENTS FOR TREE PRESERVATION. SO IT IS REALLY THE RESUME THAT TRIGGERS DISCRETIONARY DECISION ON THE PART OF THE PLAN COMMISSION ABOUT WHAT MAKES SENSE .
CLEARING THE SIGHT OF ALL TREES. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT. IT IS JUST NOT A DISCUSSION WE HAVE TO THE MC ZONING TODAY FOR PERMITTED USES, BUT WE ARE INTRODUCING THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE ARE ASKING FOR TOWNHOMES . WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN FURTHER DETAIL AT COMMITTEE BECAUSE WERE ASKING FOR DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL AND PLANNING COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATION.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT ADDITIONAL THOUGHT PERSPECTIVE. TO JEFF'S POINT AND TO STAFF IN POINT, I THINK FOR THIS TO WORK, IT REALLY NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER AS A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING WITH STAFF ON SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. I WILL ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE WORKING ON IT ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
>> ENGINEERING AND SEE IF ENGINEERING IS MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A NARROWER CROSS-SECTION FOR THE STREET. BECAUSE AND IF WE CAN DO THAT, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE A LITTLE WIDER TREE LAWN. WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN SNEAK THE SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES IF THAT IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS FOLLOWS THE STANDARD STREET CROSS-SECTION WITH -- NOT DEPTH.
THE WIDTH OF THE STREET . ON STREET PARKING MIGHT BE ENVISIONED. WELL, THERE IS NOT ON STREET PARKING IN FRONT OF THE DWELLING. THERE IS A DRIVEWAY INTERSECTION. MAYBE THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION WITH ENGINEERING WE CAN HAVE ABOUT NARROWING THE STREET WIDTH AND COME UP WITH MORE SPACE.
>> IS THE STREET PLANNED TO BE PUBLIC ?
>> YES. >> DUBBIE, YOU HAD A QUESTION.
>> FOLLOWING UP ON CHRISTINE'S EARLIER COMMENT, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT THE GARAGES ON THE BACK ? AND I ASK THAT QUESTION. IT'S A THREE-STORY DEVELOPMENT. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE GARAGE
LEVEL OTHER THAN THE GARAGE ? >> THERE IS LIVING SPACE ON THE FIRST LEVEL BEHIND THE GARAGE . SO THERE IS LIVING SPACE ON ALL THREE FLOORS. THE GARAGE. ALL THAT SPACE. STAIRWELL TO THE SIDE. BUT BEHIND IT ON THE NON-GARAGE SIDE, THERE IS LIVING SPACE. I THINK THIS IS ITERATION GRH IN THE ALPHABET. PULTE HAS GONE THROUGH TO SEE WHAT IS MOST APPROPRIATE TO LAY ON THE SITE.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH SIMILAR BUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PLAN TO TACK. WE GOT COMMENTS FROM TAC. ADJACENT TO THE FLOOD ZONE AND A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS ABOUT HOW WE WOULD NEED TWO SEPARATE UTILITIES FROM BUILDINGS AND WHAT CARMEL ENGINEERING HAS REQUESTED HAS AN INFLUENCE ON THE PLAN, OF COURSE. WE ARE VERY TIGHT NORTH TO SOUTH. AND THAT IS -- WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT ALLEYS, YOU ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT MORE SURFACE, MORE BUILDABLE AREA BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT STREETS OUT FRONT AND ALLEYS THAT SERVE THE BACKSIDE. SO WE'VE GOT MORE IMPERVIOUS AREA.
FROM BOTH ENDS OTHER THAN THIS LAYOUT -- FRONT ACCESS.
>> THE BACK. SO IF THE BACK -- BASED ON WHERE THE SUN IS, UNLESS THAT IS SUNRISE. THAT IS SUNSET. I'M LOOKING AT ONE OF THE NORTHERN RENDERINGS. SOUTHERN. OKAY. WHAT WILL THE BACK LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF LIGHT COMING INTO THE GARAGE LEVEL?
>> IT WOULD ONLY BE ON THE SIDE UNITS. THE SIDE UNITS . THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A WINDOW AND A GARAGE, BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN REQUESTED. BUT THERE ARE WINDOWS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOME . THERE IS AN ILLUSTRATION IN THE PACKET.
THIS IS A REAR ELEVATION. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WINDOWS. THREE SET OF WINDOWS . MAIN LEVEL. PATIO. PORCH. ON THE BACK LEVEL.
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>> SO IF I AM IN THE NORTH ROLE OF TOWNHOMES, I AM LOOKING OUT
>> I MEAN, I AM LOOKING AT FORTE BECAUSE THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE
ANY KIND OF A BARRIER THERE. >> RIGHT.
>> YUCK. >> AND THAT IS NOT AN UNCOMMON SITUATION THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. I CAN BRING SOME EXAMPLES TO COMMITTEE. IT IS NOT THE OPTION -- IT IS AN OPTION THAT SOME , AND IT IS AN OPTION THAT SOME OTHERS WOULD SELECT ANOTHER DWELLING OR ANOTHER LOCATION.
>> ONE -- CHANGE THE SUBJECT A LITTLE BIT -- QUESTION. BACK TO WHERE YOU SHOWED THE RETENTION POND . IS IT ALGAE COLORED ON
PURPOSE? >> IT IS DRIVE. IT IS A DRY POND. IT WOULD BE LAWN AREA EXCEPT IN STORM EVENTS. THE WATER WOULD RUN OFF AT A RATE THAT WOULD STILL MAINTAIN THE
EXISTING LAWN. >> ARE THERE ANY OUTDOOR AMENITIES AT ALL PLANNED FOR THIS AREA OR ENVISIONED FOR THIS
AREA? >> AND UNPLANNED OTHER THAN THE EXPANSION OF THE PATH ALONG ILLINOIS STREET.
>> THANK YOU. >> JEFF, YOU HAD A FOLLOW-UP
QUESTION >> I MEANT TO ASK THIS EARLIER.
YOU CAN ANSWER AT COMMITTEE. DON'T HAVE AN EXHIBIT TO LOOK AT. BUT I WAS STARING AT STREET VIEW TO REMIND ME. I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE COMMISSIONER'S WILLINGNESS TO EXTEND THAT PIECE OF PATH. MISSING PIECE ALONG ILLINOIS.
CAN YOU LOOK AT AND CAN YOU BRING A COMMITMENT TO THIS GROUP OR ENGINEERING OR ALL OF THE ABOVE THAT THAT PATH EXTENSION WOULD INCLUDE GRASS SEPARATION BETWEEN THE CURVE OF THE PATH RIGHT UP ON THE CURB SO THAT IT MAKES THE REST OF WHAT IS OUT THERE. I ASK BECAUSE IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT DROPS OFF A LITTLE SO IF YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT THAT MEANS.
>> YES, WITH ONE EXCEPTION. THERE IS A CAVEAT. THE CAVEAT WOULD BE WHERE THE CULVERT CROSSES UNDERNEATH THE ILLINOIS STREET TODAY, IT MIGHT BE PINCHED DOWN.
>> I GET THAT. I MEAN FOR THE REMAINDER OF IT.
>> YES, MARK. >> YOU MENTIONED THERE IS ABOUT AN 8 TO 10 FOOT GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FORTE DRIVE AND THIS PROPERTY. HOW IS THAT GOING TO GET LEVELED OUT ? IS THERE A WAY THERE THAT YOU CAN DO SOME KIND OF BUFFERING ?
>> WE ARE GOING TO REACH OUT TO FORTE AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING ALONG THAT PERIMETER. WHETHER THAT BE SOME ENHANCEMENTS TO LANDSCAPING OR FENCE . I ONLY OBSERVE THERE IS PARKING BACK THERE AND THERE IS NO SHRUB ALONG THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT, WHICH WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN A STANDARD IN THE UDO. I'M ONLY MAKING AN OBSERVATION. THIS IS REPORTING.
NOT MAKING NEWS. THERE SOME THINGS I THINK WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS
THE ADJOINING PROPERTY. >> I DON'T KNOW. IT WOULD BE A HARD SELL FOR ME TO BUY ONE OF THE ONES ON THE NORTH SIDE IF I'M SITTING ON MY DECK AND LOOKING RIGHT AT FORTE WITHOUT
ANY BUFFER. >> IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS MAIN STREET CLOSER TO PENNSYLVANIA, THERE IS COMMERCIAL USES OF THE HOTEL, WHICH SIT ADJACENT NEXT TO TOWNHOMES, WHICH HAVE THEIR HOMES AND THEIR PATIOS FACE OUTDOOR THAT BUILDING AND THAT PARKING AREA THAT ARE PART OF THE HOTEL THAT SITS RIGHT UP TO MAIN STREET . I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT SO YOU MIGHT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE THERE AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND TO ADD SOME CONTEXT TO THE
DISCUSSION. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JESS. >> HAVE YOU HAD ANY DISCUSSION WITH FORTE IT IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR CONCERNS
AND COMMENTS? >> WE HAVE NOT SAT DOWN WITH THEM YET AND I KNOW THEY COMMUNICATED WITH STAFF AND HAD QUESTIONS THAT STAFF RESPONDED TO. WE WILL REACH OUT TO THEM BEFORE THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND SEE IF WE CAN HAVE A DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN THEIR PARKING LOT AND SOUTH
LAWN. >> MAYBE THERE WON'T BE CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE A HARSH TRANSITION. THERE ARE LAMPPOSTS ALL ALONG THEIR DRIVE. IT DOES SEEM PRETTY CLOSE. BUT MAYBE THEY WANT THAT.
>> AND AGAIN, I'M NOT ARGUING. I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL ADJACENT TO TOWNHOMES MIXED IN, THAT IS MORE TYPICAL THAN NOT TYPICAL WHERE YOU ARE CREATING THAT TRANSITION. THERE IS NOT AN AMOUNT OR A FENCE OR AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THOSE TWO SPACES. IT IS TYPICALLY ALLIE OR DRIVE PARKING ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING AND IT
IS OPENVIEW ON EITHER SIDE. >> I THINK I AM MIRRORING THE
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COMMENTS ABOUT SOUND. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY LOUD. MERIDIAN STREET THERE. PROBABLY IN THE DESIGN SOMEWHERE. THANK YOU.>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ? THEN DO I HAVE A MOTION? YOU HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION?
>> THIS IS A QUICK ONE. DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR UP THE WORK ON THE REWORK ON THE 31 465 INTERCHANGE IS GOING TO COME ? IS IT GOING
TO COME UP THAT FAR? >> YES. AND IF YOU SEE THE DARK LINE I DREW HERE , THIS IS AREA THEY ARE WORKING IN TODAY. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SHIFT THE LANES A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEST FROM WHERE YOU SEE IT ON THE PLAN
TODAY. >> AND WILL IT BE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ON YOUR DIAGRAM?
>> I WILL SEE IF WE CAN OBTAIN A COPY OF THOSE PLANS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE. BUT I WILL SEE IF WE CAN OBTAIN THE PLANS BECAUSE IT WILL SHOW IN ADDITION TO THE PLANS TODAY AND WHAT IS THE IMPROVEMENT. WE WILL PROVIDE THAT THE STAFF AND BRING
IT TO COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> I MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS TO THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE FOR
FURTHER DISCUSSION AND REVIEW. >> AND THEN TO COME BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION FOR A FULL VOTE ?
>> YES. >> DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS DOCKET TO THE COMMITTEE AND RETURNING
[H.2. Docket No. PZ-2025-00205 OA: Fees Amendment, UDO Article 1 ]
FOR FULL PLAN COMMISSION FOR THE VOTE, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, WE WILL SEE YOU AT THE NOVEMBER 4TH COMMITTEE. UP NEXT, OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS -- I WILL READ THIS IN. THIS IS THE ONE THAT OUR LEGAL COUNSEL ADDRESSED BRIEFLY ALREADY. BUT THIS IS DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-00205 . OA FEES AMENDMENT. UDOS ARTICLE ONE. THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO AMEND UDO ARTICLE 1.29 TO REVISE THE FILING FEES. FILED BY THE DEPARTMENT COMMUNITY SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION. AND I WILL TURN ITOVER TO MIKE. >> COUNSEL KIND OF EXPLAINED IT ALL. I MISSED THE NOTICE DEADLINE AND SO WE DID NOT MAKE NEWSPAPER NOTICE. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS IN ORDER. BUT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUSH THIS TO COMMITTEE AND HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING THERE, MY REQUEST WOULD BE FOR THAT . NOT SURE IF THERE IS ANYBODY HERE FOR THE ORDINANCE HERE TONIGHT, BUT I DO APOLOGIZE IF THEY ARE INCONVENIENCED OR HERE TO SPEAK.
BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THEM INDIVIDUALLY TO GO OVER THEIR ISSUES DURING THE WORK HOURS NORMALLY . ALSO, I DID BRING SOME UPDATED MATERIALS FOR THE COMMISSION. THEY WILL GO OUT TOMORROW TO THE REST OF THE PLAN COMMISSION. BUT JUST A COUPLE OF DIALED IN THINGS THAT WERE POINTED OUT TO ME BY STAFF THAT
I HAD MISSED PREVIOUSLY. SO . >> GREAT. FANTASTIC. SOMETIMES WHEN THESE HAPPEN WE WOULD SUSPEND OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE TO GO AHEAD AND HEAR THE PETITION. HOWEVER, IT TAKES TWO THIRDS VOTE ON THE PLAN COMMISSION AND WE DON'T HAVE TWO THIRDS.BUT WE HAVE ACCORDING, SO WE HAVE ENOUGH TO TAKE A VOTE TO SEND THIS TO COMMITTEE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT COMMITTEE IF THAT SEEMS AGREEABLE. IF SO, I WOULD
LOOK FOR A MOTION. >> I MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS DOCKET ITEM TO THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE AND INCLUDE A PUBLIC
HEARING AT THAT POINT. >> AND DO I HAVE A SECOND?
>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS DOCKET TO THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 4TH, AND HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING THERE, PLEASE SAY
[I.1. Docket No. PZ-2025-00162 PP/DP: Jackson’s Grant Village Section 3 ]
AYE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. WE WILL SEE YOU AT COMMITTEE. UP NEXT, WE HAVE OLD BUSINESS. SO WE ARE MOVING ON TO DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2025-00162. PRIMARY PLAT DEVELOPMENT PLAT JACKSONS GRANT VILLAGE SECTION 3. THE APPLICANT SEEKS PRIMARY PLAT AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL TO SUBDIVIDE A PARCEL INTO TOWNHOME LOTS AND REARRANGE PART OF JACKSON'S GRANT VILLAGE SECTION 2 TOWNHOMES. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 116TH STREET AND SPRING MILL ROAD AND IS OWNED JACKSONS GRANT VILLAGE PHASE TWO PUD . FILED BY BRIAN ROBINSON WITH STOEPPELWERTH ON BEHALF OF HOMES BY MCKENZIE , INC., THE OWNE.AND SO I WILL TURN IT OVER. IF YOU CAN TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DOUG WAGGONER. I AM WITH REPUBLIC DEVELOPMENT. I AM HERE REPRESENTING HOMES BY MCKENZIE. WITH ME TONIGHT IS JOHN MCKENZIE. BRIAN WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT. SO AT COMMITTEE
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-- AND I BELIEVE, CHRISTINE, YOU WERE AT COMMITTEE AS WELL DURING THE LAST MEETING. SO ALL OF YOU WERE HERE. I THINK THE SITE ITSELF AND THE PROJECT ITSELF DID NOT HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSION. MOST OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD WAS ON THE VIEW FROM SPRING MILL ROAD AS WELL AS HOW THE HANDICAP RAMP AND LANDSCAPING WAS GOING TO LOOK. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF SUMMARY. THIS IS THE SITE AS IT IS TODAY. THIS IS THE OUT LOT THAT IS THE CUNNINGHAM PROPERTY , WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE ADDING . AND THEN FLIP IT OVER . YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE ADDING TOWNHOMES IN AND BRINGING THE ALLEYS THROUGH.ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING. BASICALLY IN THEORY KEEPING THE SAME TOWNHOMES THAT JOHN MCKENZIE IS BUILDING TODAY AND BUILDING THAT SAME PRODUCT IN HERE. THE AREA OF DISCUSSION DURING THE COMMITTEE WAS A LONG 116TH STREET FRONTAGE WHERE WE HAD A WALKOUT IN FRONT OF THE TOWNHOMES AND THEN WE HAD THE 16 OR THE 116TH STREET PERIMETER TRAIL . AND WE HAVE ABOUT A THREE OR FOUR FOOT DROP IN THAT. SO WE WERE BEING ASKED TO PUT A HANDICAP IN FROM THERE DOWN TO HEAR , AND THE DISCUSSION WAS, WHAT WAS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE ? SO THE FIRST THING I WILL SHOW YOU IS A LANDSCAPING PLAN OF THIS AREA . ORIGINALLY WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE HAVING A HANDICAP RAMP ON BOTH ENDS. WE WORKED WITH STAFF AND GOT THEIR APPROVAL TO MAYBE FOCUS ON HAVING A -- ONE HANDICAP RAMP IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE WE DID AS YOU CAN SEE SOME EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING THAT WAS WORKED OUT ON THE ORIGINAL ZONING PETITION , AND BY PUTTING TWO OF THESE HANDICAP RAMPS INSIDE OF HERE, WE WOULD BE DISPLACING A FAIR AMOUNT OF PLANT MATERIAL. AS IT IS, WE JUST KIND OF SQUEEZED THINGS IN AND EXPANDED IT OUT A LITTLE BIT AND BASICALLY HAVE KEPT ALL THE PLANT MATERIAL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED AND WE PUT SOME PLANTS OUT IN FRONT. THE BUFFER. THE HANDICAP RAMP ITSELF. BUT WE DID NOT LOSE ANY TREES OR ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO THE LANDSCAPING. WE DID HAVE A FRONT ELEVATION RENDERING PREPARED . SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS THE ACTUAL RAMP PORTION HERE. THESE ARE THE ACTUAL STAIRS. SO THIS WOULD JUST BE STAIRS WALKING STRAIGHT UP FROM WALK TO WALK. YOU WOULD RAMP DOWN TO THE SIDE, GET HALFWAY DOWN, AND THEN RAMP DOWN ON THE BALANCE. WE ARE PLANNING TO PUT SOME SHRUBBERY IN FRONT TO HELP BUFFER THAT A LITTLE BIT. WE DO HAVE -- WE HAD ALREADY COMMITTED TO PUTTING THE SAME FENCE WE HAVE AROUND THE REST OF THE JACKSONS GRANT COMMUNITY. SO THAT WILL STILL BE THERE. IT WILL ELIMINATE THAT FENCE WHERE THE HANDICAP RAMP IS GOING TO BE INSTALLED . THE OTHER QUESTION WE HAD WAS THE RAILING. AND JOHN PROVIDED THIS. THIS IS ACTUALLY SIMILAR TO THE RAILING THEY ARE USING ON THE SECOND STORY AND OUTDOOR LIVING . OR ANYTHING THAT IS ON THE PORCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IF THERE IS A RAILING USED , THEY ARE USING THIS RAILING. SO WE ARE GOING TO DUPLICATE THAT SAME RAILING. IT IS A GOOD LOOKING RAIL ON THE HANDICAP RAMP ITSELF SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN POINTS OF DISCUSSION AT OUR LAST SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING . IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
, WE WILL ENTERTAIN THEM. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL
TURN IT OVER TO STAFF. >> THANK YOU. AT THE LAST COMMITTEE , COMMITTEE VOTED TO SEND THIS TO THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. CONDITION UPON THAT RENDERING THAT DOUG PRESENTED THIS EVENING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OUTSTANDING. THERE ARE STILL SOME IN PROJECT DOCUMENTS AND TECHNICAL COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING, BUT THEY ARE COMFORTABLE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE AFTER APPROVAL OF THIS. SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THIS ITEM THIS EVENING , CONTINGENT UPON THE COMMISSION OR RESOLVING THOSE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS AND PROJECT
DOCKS. THANK YOU. >> FIGURE MUCH. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO PLANNING COMMISSION. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS? JEFF? >> I APPRECIATE THE EXHIBIT. IS THERE -- IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS HANDRAIL OR SOMETHING. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? BLACK. TUBULAR SOMETHING. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT
>> THANK YOU. I MUST NOT HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION, JEFF.
I'M TEASING YOU. >> NO, THAT IS FINE. THANK YOU.
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>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE RENDERING. I KNOW THAT IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS ASKING. WE DON'T HAVE OUR COMMITTEE CHAIRS HERE TONIGHT. BUT I KNOW THAT IS WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO SEE.
THAT IS A GREAT VIEW. IT LOOKS REALLY NICE, SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. MARK, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR ANYTHING?
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I THINK THAT IS A GREAT LOOKING RENT. PUTTING THE HEDGES IN FRONT OF IT . YEAH. AND THE RAIL THAT MATCHES ANY OTHER OUT DOOR RAILINGS. I THINK THAT IS REALLY
GOOD. >> GREAT. WELL, IF THERE IS NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> I MOVE WE PROVE -- APPROVE THE DOCKET FOR THE JACKSONS GRANT VILLAGE SECTION 3 AS PRESENTED.
>> SUBJECT TO FINALIZING ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES IN
PROJECT DOCKS. >> AND I JUST HEARD JEFF SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING SUBJECT TO FINISHING THE PROJECT DOCKS , PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED ? HEARING ON,
[I.2. Docket No. 2025-00125 CPA: US 31 Subarea Plan - Comprehensive Plan Amendment ]
CONGRATULATIONS. YOU ARE APPROVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WORKING THROUGH THIS PROJECT WITH US. WE APPRECIATE IT. OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING IS UNDER OLD BUSINESS.IT IS DOCKET NUMBER 2025-00125 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT US 31 SUBAREA PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO AMEND THE CARMEL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCORPORATE A NEW US 31 CORRIDOR SUB AREA PLAN. FILED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES ON BEHALF OF THE CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION. AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ADRIAN.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ADRIAN KEELING . I AM ONE OF THE PLANNERS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. WE'VE GOT A DUAL SCREEN HERE. OKAY. LET ME GET TO THE RIGHT -- WHICH WAY SHOULD I MOVE THIS? OH, THERE WE GO. OKAY. PARDON ME WHILE I GET THIS DISPLAYED PROPERLY. OF COURSE I CANNOT SEE THAT FAR AWAY. OKAY. HERE WE GO. SO THIS EVENING , THIS ITEM COMES BACK FROM THE COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE YOU WERE ALL IN ATTENDANCE AT THE LAST MEETING . THERE WERE JUST A FEW COMMENTS AND A FEW REVISIONS REQUESTED , SO THIS DRAFT THAT WE ARE REVIEWING THIS EVENING IS LABELED OCTOBER 2025 ON THE COVER PAGE AND THE FOOTER OF THE DOCUMENT, AND I WILL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE EDITS THAT WERE MADE SINCE THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, I BELIEVE. THE TEXT AS YOU RECALL THAT IS SHOWING IN THE PINK OR MAGENTA COLOR WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT COMMITTEE . THE NEW CHANGES ARE IN THE DARKER PURPLE COLOR . SO I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY ON THIS PAGE. I WILL GO QUICKLY THROUGH HERE. ON THIS, THERE IS A DOUBLE PAGE OF MAPS HERE.
THERE WAS A REQUEST TO ADD ADJACENT SUBDIVISION LABELS TO THE MAP . IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT THEY ARE DISPLAYED . THE SUBDIVISION NAMES ARE DISPLAYED . THEY ARE SHOWING IN PURPLE ON THIS MAP BECAUSE THEY ARE NEW, BUT WE WILL MAKE THOSE A DARKER SHADE THAT WILL BE MORE EASILY READABLE IN THE FINAL ADOPTED VERSION. AND THEN THERE WERE NO CHANGES ON THIS PAGE. WE DID ADD ON THIS MAP IT WASN'T CLEAR WHAT THE PARCELS WERE SHOWING ON THE MAP, SO WE ADDED A LABEL CALLED U.S. 31 PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS . ON THIS PAGE , THERE WAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION . WE HAD ADDED A PARAGRAPH TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE WOODED PARCEL OWNED BY IU
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HEALTH . BUT WE HAVE FURTHER CLARIFIED THAT ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT FULLY WITHIN THE U.S. 31 SUBAREA BOUNDARY , WE ARE MAKING THAT NOTE, AND THEN WE HAVE ADDED A MAP THAT CALLS OUT SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE GREEN SPACE IS TO THIS PAGE . ON THIS PAGE , WE JUST FURTHER ADJUSTED THAT PARAGRAPH ABOUT REDUCING LIGHT POLLUTION . INTERIOR LIGHTS AND SIGNS TO RESIDENCES .SO IT NOW READS, REDUCED LIGHT POLLUTION BY MINIMIZING USE OF HIGH WALL SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING FACING RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND BY REDUCING INTERIOR LIGHTING OF NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AFTER HOURS OF OPERATION. AND THEN FINALLY ON THE SUBAREA PLAN MAP , WE DID -- WE ADDED -- I CAN'T REMEMBER . I THINK THIS WAS THE PARAGRAPH ABOUT PRIORITY DEVELOPMENTS WAS ALREADY HERE.
WE ENLARGED THE TEXT ON THE MAP AND THEN ADDED IT WAS NOTED THAT WE HAD TAKEN OFF THE CARMEL DRIVE PATH FOR PURPOSES OF SHOWING THAT PATH CONNECTION, WHICH MOSTLY IS ALREADY THERE.
WE WENT AHEAD AND KEPT THAT ON THE MAP IN ADDITION TO THE AUTUMN GREENWAY. AND THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE , WE ADDED A NOTE .
THIS IS THE NOTE THAT WE ADDED ABOUT THE PROPOSED GREEN SPACE.
WHILE THE SPRING MILL ROAD GREEN SPACE SHOWN IS PARTIALLY LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE U.S. 31 SUBAREA, IT PRESENTS A KEY OPPORTUNITY FOR SHARED AMENITY FOR U.S. 31 USERS AND NEIGHBORS AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE NEXT PARKS MASTER PLAN UPDATE . AND THEN FINALLY ON THE COMPANION MOBILITY AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN MAP IN THE LAST COMMITTEE WE NOTED THAT THE FEATURED TRAILS ON THE SUBAREA PLAN HAVE BEEN ADDED THIS EAST-WEST AND THEN NORTH-SOUTH FEATURE TRAIL HAS BEEN ADDED AS A PROPOSED GREENWAY . IT ALSO POINTED OUT THAT BY THE TIME THIS MEETING OCCURRED THAT THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE NOW KNOWN AS THE BAROQUE BRIDGE ACROSS WHITE RIVER WOULD BE OPEN. SO WE HAVE THAT CONNECTION WITH A SEPARATED GRADE SYMBOL AND WE HAVE MADE THE LINES SOLID TO INDICATE THAT THAT CONNECTION IS COMPLETED. IN ALIGNMENT WITH 106TH STREET, ALTHOUGH IT IS ONLY A PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE BRIDGE. SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. ONCE THE PLAN COMMISSION FEELS COMFORTABLE, WE RECOMMENDED THAT YOU CERTIFY THIS TO THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS? JESS. >> SO ASSUMING THIS IS RECOMMENDED FAVORABLY , WHAT IS THE FINAL DOCUMENT ? IS IT THIS FORM OR IS IT A CLEANED UP VERSION THAT TAKES THE
COLORATION OUT OF IT? >> THIS WILL BE ALL OF THE COLORATION WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF IT SO THE CITY COUNCIL WILL OF COURSE HAVE ACCESS TO THE DRAFTS ON LASER FISH, BUT WHAT THEY WILL BE PRESENTED WILL BE A CLEAN VERSION OF THIS DOCUMENT.
>> TO FOLLOW UP A QUICK QUESTION PROCEDURALLY WE CERTIFY -- WE DON'T SAY FAVORABLE WITH RECOMMENDATION. SO WHEN IT COMES TIME TO MAKE A VOTE, WE ARE
>> SO THE VOTE IS EITHER FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE. THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION. CERTIFICATION WILL HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY WITHIN STATUTORY AMOUNT OF TIME TO GO FORWARD TO COUNCIL.
>> OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T NEED TO CHANGE OUR VOTING PROCESS TO DESIGNATE THAT WE ARE CERTIFYING IT.
>> YOU CAN. NOT GOING TO HURT .
>> SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, DUBBIE.
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>> JUST I APPRECIATE THE FACT YOU HAD A LARGE BIT OF TEXT IN THERE AND THAT YOU MADE ALL THE CHANGES WE TALKED ABOUT. IT HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS. VERY APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYBODY THAT HAS PUT THE TIME INTO IT AND LISTENED TO US AND RESPONDED WITHOUT MANY CONCERNS ABOUT ALL THE COMMENTS WE MADE.
>> I WANT TO ECHO THAT . ADRIAN -- AND YOUR COMPANY , YOU ARE NOT HERE. AND EVERYBODY WHO WROTE LETTERS. AND EVERYBODY APPEAR THAT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. REALLY ADRIAN AND MIKE AND COMPANY , YOU GUYS DID AN AMAZING JOB. I ALWAYS FIND THIS HARD BECAUSE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE BIG PICTURE, BUT YOU STILL WANT SOME DETAILS IN THERE TO ADEQUATELY CONVEY WHAT THAT BIG PICTURE VISION IS, AND I THINK EVERYBODY FELT -- WE GOT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS IN THERE. WE GOT THAT GREEN SPACE SAVED. WE COMMENTED ABOUT THE LIGHT POLLUTION . JUST REALLY WELL DONE AND TRYING TO FIND THAT RIGHT BALANCE TO CONVEY THE VISION. REALLY GREAT WORK, EVERYBODY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
JEFF . >> I WAS GOING TO ECHO YOUR COMMENTS, PRESIDENT. WITH THAT, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE CERTIFY THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT UPDATE TO THE CITY
COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A
SECOND? >> SECOND FROM DUBBIE. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, POLICE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED ? HEARING ON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD LUCK AT CITY COUNCIL IS OUR LAST MEETING ON OUR AG
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.