[Committee of the Whole Meeting on February 16, 2026.]
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>> REGARD AGO DOWNTOWN PARKING STUDY PRESENTED BY IP SERVICES, THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE CLIFF NOTES OF -- OR THE FINDINGS OF THEIR SERVICES -- OF THEIR SUDDEN DI, EXCUSE ME, AS IS CITY ENGINEER BRAD PEEZE, MS. [INAUDIBLE] AND SERGEI AS LEGAL COUNCIL.
. ER GOOD EVER WANTONING, COUNCIL, JAMES OF I PA, RK HERE WHO IS GOING TO PREPARE THIS PRESENTATION, YOU HAVE A STUDY OTLINE IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL
FOR THE PRESENTATION, SO I'LL LET JAMES TAKE IT AWAY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, MY NAME IS JAMES O CON NEL, I SERVE AS THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR I PARK SERVICES, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION OF THE PARKING STUDY.
, WHAT WE REVIEWED, WHAT WE OBSERVED AND WHAT THOSE FINDINGS SUGGEST ABOUT HOW CAR M*EM'S PARKING SYSTEM IS FUNCTIONING TODAY AND HOW IT CAN CONTINUE TO SUPPORT CARMEL AS IT GROWS. THIS IS PRIMARILY A BRIEFING, NO DECISIONS OR COMING OUT OF THIS IMMEDIATELY, BUT MY GOAL IS TO SHARE WHAT WE OBSERVED SO WE CAN FRAME HOW CARMEL CAN STAY AHEAD REGARDING CURRENT PRESSURE RATHER THAN REACTING TO IT LATER.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO SHARE FINDINGS, PROVIDE COULD BE TEXT ON THE CURRENT SYSTEM PERFORMANCE AND OUTLINE IMPLEMENTATION CONCEPTS FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION.
THIS IS SIMPLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THESE FINDINGS AND AGAIN ADD TO THE PLANNING CONTEXT. SO, CORE FINDING, THE CENTRAL FIND CHASTISING CARMEL IS NOT IN A SYSTEMWIDE PARKING CAPACITY CRISIS, HOWEVER PRESSURE IS BEGINNING TO CONCENTRATE IN SPECIFIC AREAS AND DURING SPECIFIC PEAK PERIODS, MIDTOWN AND ON MAIN STREET DURING THE EVENING DINING AND MAJOR EVENTS. THIS STUDY SHOWED THAT AVAILABLE CAPACITY STILL EXISTS ACROSS THE SYSTEM BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS VISIBLE OR INTUITIVE TO VISITORS. AND THIS IS A STAGE WHERE SUCCESSFUL DOWNTOWN TYPICALLY BEGIN PLANNING AHEAD, NOT BECAUSE SOMETHING IS WRONG, BECAUSE GROWTH IS WORKING.
AS FAR AS THE SCOPE OF THE STUDY GOES, WE REVIEWED SYSTEM UTILIZATION ACROSS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SUPPLY DURING WEEKDAYS AND WEEKEND PATTERNS, WE LOOKED AT CURB USAGE AND TURN OVER, THE DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE IMPLANTING AS ANTING -- IMPACTS, THE GOAL IS TO SEE HOW THE SYSTEM WAS BEHAVIOR OVER TIME, NOT JUST HOW IT FEELS AT PEAK MOMENTS.
MOST CHALLENGES SEEM TO BE LOCALIZED AND PERCEPTION DRIVEN T PEAK CONCENTRATES IN THOSE MIDTOWN GARAGES WHILE CITY CENTER AND OTHER GARAGES STILL HAVE CAPACITY.
VISITORS PERCEIVE SHORTAGE WHEN THE FRONT DOOR SPACE ISS FULL, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS CAPACITY REMAINING IN THAT GARAGE, SO IT IS BETTER VISIBILITY OF THE SUPPLY TO HELP SHAPE THAT REDISTRIBUTION. LIKE I SAID, VISITORS PRIORITIZE IMMEDIATE DESTINATION PARKING WITH LIMITED VISIBILITY INTO LEFT OVER AVAILABILITY AS WELL AS INCONSISTENT CURB OVER AMONG THE HIGHEST DEMAND BLOCKS, THOSE CONTINUE TO SHAPE PERCEPTION AND THOSE ARRIVE CIRCLING AROUND THE DOWNTOWN IN FRUSTRATION AND ANECDOTES ABOUT CHALLENGES TO PARKING WHEN WE SEE THAT THERE'S STILL AVAILABILITY.
I THINK THERE'S ANECDOTES ABOUT TEXTS GOING TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE -- THAT THERE'S AVAILABLE CAPACITY OF THE UPPER LEVELS OF PROPERTIES SO I HAVE HEARD LOTS OF THIS AND WA*IPT WANTED TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. THE RECOMMENDED APPROACH HERE IS MEASURED, PHASED AND FINANCIALLY DISCIPLINED. WE BELIEVE TLA THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY IS TO MAXIMIZE THE EXISTING ASSETS BEFORE BUILDING NEW SUPPLY. WE CAN DO THAT BY IMPROVING VISIBILITY, TURN OVER AND COORDINATION DURING CITY-WIDE EVENTS.
WE WANT TO PRESERVE PUBLIC ACCESS ALONG THE STREETS TO SUPPORT BUSINESS VITALITY AND WE HOPE THAT CARMEL CONTINUES ITS DISCIPLINE PLANNING MODEL AS IT RELATES TO GROWTH WHEN IT'S NEEDED OR BUILDING WHEN IT'S NEEDED. SO, THE PLAN OR AT LEAST OUR
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STUDY OUTLINED THREE TRACKS, THREE COURSES OF ACTION THAT WILL HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES, TRACK ONE TO IMPROVE THE CURB MANAGEMENT, FOCUSING ON THE HIGHEST DEMAND BLOCKS DURING PEAK PERIODS. MOST VISIBLE CHALLENGES OCCUR AT THE CURB RATHER THAN INSIDE GARAGES. IMPROVING TURNOVER HELPS MAINTAIN THAT SHORT TERM ACCESS FOR RETAIL AND DINING WHILE ENCOURAGING LONGER STAYS TO USE GARAGES.THIS IMPROVES BOTH ACCESS AND THE OVERALL VISITOR EXPERIENCE. ANOTHER PART IS VALET, THE GOAL IS NOT TO RESTRICT VALET OPERATIONS BUT THEY OPERATE WITHIN A SHARED CURB ENVIRONMENT. CLEAR EXPECTATIONS SUPPORT FAIRNESS, SAFETY AND TRAFFIC FLOW. THIS IS ABOUT COORDINATION AND CLARITY RATHER THAN EXPANSION OR RESTRICTION. ALONG TRACK 2, THE GOAL IS TO MAKE THAT XASCAPACITY VISIBLE.
ONE TOF FASTEST WAYS TO EXPERIENCE THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE IS TO LET THEM KNOW WHERE THERE'S AVAILABLE PARKING. WHEN DRIVERS CAN SEE WHERE CAPACITY EXISTS, CIRCULATION DECREASES AND THE SYSTEM FEELS MORE INTUITIVE. IN EFFECT, THIS ADDS USABLE CAPACITY WO*UT CONSTRUCTING NEW SUPPLY. AND I THINK A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE DOWNTOWN AIRPORT, THERE'S SIGNAGE, IT HELPS ALERT YOU THERE'S REMAINING CAPACITY.
YOU SHOULD TRY. AND THEN TRACK 3 IS PLANNING AHEAD.
THIS IS IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH DAILY FRICTION FROM FULL SYSTEM EVENT DEMAND.
TODAY'S CERTAIN FLEXIBLE AREAS HELP ABSORB PEAK AND DEMAND BUT AS DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES, SOP OF THAT FLEXIBILITY CHANGES, WHILE THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE NEED FOR STRUCTURED PARK, FUTURE STRATEGICALLY LOCATED CAPACITY WILL LIKELY BECOME APPROPRIATE AS DOWNTOWN CONTINUES TO GROW.
THE KEY IS PLANNING DELIBERATELY, NOT REACTING LATER.
I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE REPORT THE HIGHLY DISCIPLINED APPROACH AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOLLOW THAT, MAK MIEZ -- MAXIMIZING THE EXISTING SYSTEM FIRST, PHASE THEM PROPERLY, CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTAIN CARMEL STRONG FISCAL DISCIPLINE. THIS ENSURES FUTURE CAPACITY IS ADDED AT THE RIGHT PLACE AND AT THE RIGHT TIME. LIKE I SAID, KEY THEMES INCLUDE IMPROVING CURB TURNOVER, ENHANCING VISIBILITY, COORDINATING VALET OPERATION AND IS MONITORING LONG TERM SUPPLY AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS. THESE ARE PLANNING THINGS, NOT NECESSARILY ACTIONS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY. IN CLOSING, CARMEL'S IN A STRONG POSITION. THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE CAPACITY CRISIS.
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THOUGH TO IMPROVE ACCESS AND CLARITY. AND WILL'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN DELIBERATELY FOR FUTURE NEEDS. DOWNTOWN CARMEL IS SUCCESSFUL AND GROWING, THIS IS ABOUT STAINING AHEAD OF THE SUCCESS AND NOT REACTING TO PROBLEMS AND WITH THA, I HAVE A COUPLE OF APPENDIX ITEMS JUST TO HELP CONTEXTUAL THINGS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FULL REPORT, BUT WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ON ANY QUESTIONERS.
>> I'LL START JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING -- WHEN WE ALL KIND OF -- A LOT OF THIS GOT KICKED OFF IN A HOMEOWNER'S HOUSE JUST EAST OF RANGE LINE AND THE IMPETUS WAS THIS FOR VERY MUCH RESIDENTIAL PARKING, AND IT SAYS CONSULT THE CRC, AND IT TALKS ABOUT PARKING GARAGES BUT A LOT OF IT WAS -- WE'RE HAVING DATA ON HOW RESIDENTS IN DOWNTOWN AREA, WHETHER THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO HAVE IN REGARDS TO RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS AND HOW DO WE PROTECT THEM IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES OR THE AVAILABILITY TO PARK SOMEWHAT CLOSE TO THE THEIR HOMES BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF BLEED-OUT INTO RESIDENTIAL STREETS SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
CAN SPEAK ON THAT OR IF THAT CAN BE ANOTHER APPENDIX TO THIS. >> I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DUG INTO EARLY ON IN THIS PROJECT BUT TRIMMED IT IT OUT IN MATERIALS OF THE REPORTS. AS IT WAS SOME OF THESE GARAGE SIGNALS, IT SEEMS THAT WE COLLECTED DATA ON IT AND BASICALLY THE DATA POINTED TO IT BEING BAD, THE STREETS ARE
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FULL, PEOPLE -- THE ENTRY PARKING IS FULL, THEY'RE STAYING EXTENDED AMOUNTS OF TIME, IT'S REALLY WHERE THE OPR AND ENFORCEMENT ENFOLDING DASHING COMES INTO PLAY BUT WHEN WE TRACE THAT BACKWARDS, WHAT COULD QUESTION *F WE DO ABOUT IT, IT SEEMS THE SIGNALS ARE POINTING TO THE GARAGES, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT ON-STREET EASY TO FIND PARKING AND THEY'RE NOT USING THE RESOURCES YOU GUYS HAVE CONSTRUCTED FOR THAT PURPOSE, SO AGAIN, I FEEL THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS, MAKING THAT CAPACITY VISIBLE TO REDIRECT THAT BEHAVIOR HELPS THAT FLOW THO THA* WE'RE SEEING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. EXCUSE ME, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON SOMETHING MATTHEW SAID, THAT IS WE HAVE PARKING -- WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM? PARKING PERMITS FOR THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY TO -- I POOHS EEL USE SOPHIA SQUARE AS AN EXAPLE, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE YOU'RE SAY THING THE LPR'S WOULD BE THE ANSWER FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THERE? BECAUSE I THINK THE GARAGES ARE OBVIOUSLY THE FOCUS OF THE STUDY BUT I GUESS IN THAT CASE, WHERE DOES THAT FALL? WITH THE LPR'S?
>> SO, THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE THE PASSES SYSTEM WAS NOT BEING -- I DON'T KNOW IF RESIDENTS WERE BUYING INTO IT AND COMPLETELY GETTING THEIR PASSES, IT WASN'T BEING ENFORCED BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE WASN'T A LOT OF LEVERS WE COULD PULL RELATING TO CHANGING HAS BEHAVIOR. NOW AS IT RELATES TO THE SAME CONCEPT BEING WHITE LISTED TO PARK ON A CERTAIN STREET BECAUSE YOU HAVE SUBMITTED YOUR PLATE IS SOMETHING WE DO IN OTHER PROPERTIES TO MANAGE AND TRIAGE WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD BE AND WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT BE.
SO, THE STICK TO REDIRECT THE BEHAVIOR IS AN OPTION. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
THEN I WOULD LIKE TO THEN GO BACK TO THE SIGNEES. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT -- IN THE STUDY, IT BROKE DOWN THE COSTS OF THESE ELECTRIC SIGNS OR SIGNEES FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHERE TO GO AND POINTING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND IF MEMORY SERVES, PART OF THAT WAS -- I THINK IT WAS AROUND 1 4U, THOUSAND DOLLARS, AIM WRONG, THE COST FOR --
>> IT COULD BE 50 UP TO A QUARTER MILLION, THERE'S A CONTINUUM, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THE QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLAR SOLUTION, IT DEPENDS ON THE DESIGN, THE ACCESS TO THE UTILITY AND IS THE CONCRETE STRUCTURE YOU HAVE TO WORK INTO, BUT IT IS A VERY AFFORDABLE WAY TO INTEGRATE, IT JUST DEPENDSON HOW SPECIFIC IS THE CITY ABOUT ITS VENDOR.
>> AND I GUESS SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE PRIVATE PARKING GARAGES TO HAVE SOME SORT OF COUNTERS ON THEM AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF OUR PRIVATE PARKING GARAGES HAVE COUNTERS ON THEM, SO I'M NOT SURE, IS THAT A SOLUTION, IS THAT -- I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR HENRY. CAN WE WORK WITH THE PRIVATE PARKING GARAGE OWNERS TO GET THEM ON BOARD WITH PUTTING SOME OF THIS -- DI *F SBI GRATING SOME OF THIS TECHNOLOGY? . HENRY, THE TWO GARAGES DO HAVE THOSE COUNTERS, IN ALL PRINTS -- PROJECT THAT IS ARE BEING ON THE GROUND NOW, THOSE ARE AVAILABLE, SOME MAY HAVE COUNTERS, SOME MAY NOT. THE QUESTION YOU HAD WAS RETROFITTING PARKING COUNTERS INTO EXISTING GARAGES BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL VERY DIFFERENT, THE MONEY THERE CAN VARY.
>> BRIEFLY, I'M NORMALLY AN ACRONYM GUY BUT SOMEONE ELSE BROUGHT THE QUESTION UP HERE,
LPR. >> LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
AND I'LL DEFER, I KNOW OTHERS HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT WHEN YOU GET THE CHANCE, IF YOU COULD GO THROUGH THE DATA IN THE A*F APPENDIX AND JUST AS YOU DESCRIBE IT TO US OR KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT -- HOW YOU INTERPRET IT, HOW IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU HAVE, BUT I KNOW OTHERS PROBABLY GET QUESTIONS SO I DON'T KNOW IF
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YOU WANT TO FINISH WITH THAT OR MOVER ON TO THE QUESTIONS, COUNCIL MEMBER TAYLOR, THANKSO, A LOT OF THESE RESULTS IS SORT OF WHAT I THOUGHT WE MIGHT SEE AND THE BIG ONE IS ENFORCEMENT TO INCREASE CURB TURNOVER. WE HAVE TIME LIMITS ON MANY OF OUR SPACES, WE RARELY ENFORCE IT IN THE CITY OF CARMEL. I WANTED TO DIVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE HAVE DONE SO WELL IN THE CITY OF CARMEL IS HIDE OUR PARKING STRUCTURE SO YOU DON'T HAVE AN UGLY PARKING STRUCTURE AND THE PSYCHOLOGY AROUND USING PRKING STRUCTURES ARE INTERESTING, RIGHT. I THINK MAY YR *F YOR BRANARD WOULD SAY, TO PARK IN A PARKING GARAGE BUT TO PARK OUTSIDE OF A VENUE, THEY SEEM STRANGE ABOUT IT. WE'VE BEEN GOOD ABOUT HIDING OUR GARAGES BUT WE'VE BEEN THOUGHTFUL IN NOT HAVING GAUDY WAYFINDING SO, THERE HAS TO BE A WAY FOR US TO FIND WAY FIND HATING FIT IT IS THE LOOK AND FEEL OF WHAT RESIDENTS EXPECT BUT ALSO CAN DIRECT PEOPLE INTO THOSE PARKING GARAGES. I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THE VALET COORDINATION.
I KNOW PRESIDENT SNYDER AS WELL, I WANT TODAY TALK MORE ABOUT ENFORCEMENT AND THEN MAKE SOME NEXT STEPS. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S MANY WHO USE OUR GARAGES WHO THERE'S ALSO TIME LIMITS IN OUR GARAGES AND THEY SIT AND PARK THERE AND THEY'RE IN THERE FOREVER, SO -- BUT THE STUDY DIDN'T REALLY HIT ON THIS, IS WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS AND THOUGH WE DO THE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME UNUSED CAPACITY IN OUR GARAGES, WE STILL -- BEHAVIOR IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE OVERNIGHT AND WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THE CENTRAL CORE THAT REALLY STRUGGLE WITH PEOPLE TAKING UP PARKING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES SO THEIR GUESTS CAN'T, SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A MORE PLANNED APPROACH AND MAYBE SOME SOLUTIONS WR. . WHERE DO WE PROVIDE FURTHER SOLUTIONS AND WHAT ARE SOME SOLUTIONS, OPTIONS AND COSTS TO ENFORCE? THE CITY OF [INAUDIBLE] THAT A PROBLEM IN THEIR DOWNTOWN SQUARE SO THEY OUTSOURCED PARKING ENFORCEMENT INSTEAD OF HAVING A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER DRIVING ALL AROUND WITH ABLVR, THEY'VE OUTSOURCED IT TO A COMPANY THAT DOES. THEY GO TO DOWNTOWN NOBLESVILLE A LOT, IF YOU PARK TWO HOURS PAST THE TWO HOUR TIME LIMIT, YOU ARE GOING TO GATE TICKET AND I PARK THE DOWNTOWN PARKING GARAGE BEHIND THE CAFE WHEN I GO DOWN THERE NOW, RIGHT. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVENTUALLY AS OUR ENGINEERING HAS A A RECOMMENDATION OR HENRY HAS A RECOMMENDATION TO TAKE THIS TO THE NEXT STEP, REGARDLESS OF -- CHANGING BEHAVIORS IS ONLY GOING HAPPEN THROUGH ENFORCEMENT SO WE DO NOT HAVE A STRATEGY OTHER THAN USING ONE OF OUR OFFICERS WHO'S ON STREET PATROL TO ENFORCE PARKING RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THAT OFFICER, SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AT SOME POINT US LOOK AT WHERE DO WE PROVIDE MORE RESTRICTIONS AND THEN MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT'S THE THE BEST SOLUTION TO ENFORCE OUR PARKING? BECAUSE THAT WILL CHANGE BEHAVIOR AND THAT WILL SOLVE A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS AND HENRY, I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR YOU, AND THE NEW GARAGES THAT WE'RE NEGOTIATING NOW, SO WE'RE SENDING THEM -- SOFM THESE OTHER GARAGES, WE'RE REQUIRING
THE PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM INTO THOSE GARAGES? >> YES, BUT ON ALL THE NEW ONES, THE ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING TO HAVE IT IS THE PORTRAIT ON THE ATND SITE, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME SIGNAGE THAT THE OTHER TWO HAVE.
WE GENERALLY LET THEM PICK WHO THEIR PARKING COMPANY IS SO LONG AS IT CAN FEED TO OUR IT SO WE CAN PUT IT ON THE SAME TYPE OF PROGRAM AND I WILL SIMILARLY SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN AN ONGOING KSING BETWEEN CRC ENGINEERING AND OUR PLANNING FRIENDS ABOUT ADDITIONAL KIND OF -- NOT ELECTRONIC BUT ADDITIONAL PARKINGSIGNAGE THAT CAN BETTER DIRECT TOWARDS
EXISTING GARAGES. >> SO, FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHEREBISINGER CAN THEY GO TO TO THE FIND WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO PARK IN THOSE GARAGES? DO THEY HAVE TO DOWNTOWN AN APP, DO THEY GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE OR DRIVE BY THE PARKING
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GARAGE TO DETERMINE? >> I BELIEVE THE BIG ANSWER IS IT IS STILL WORKING ON A WAY TO PULL ALL THE DATA INTO SOME PLATFORM THAT SHOWS IT AND WE TALK TO GARAGES THAT COME UP THAT THAT DATE FEED IS USABLE. TODAY I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS ON AN APP, IF YOU WERE DRIVING UP TO CIVIC SQUARE, THERE ARE THE MAIN BLADE SIGN TOS SHOW YOU HOW MANY EMPTY SPACE ARES ON
EACH FLOOR. >> AS WE PROGRESS AS A CITY, IF THERE'S SOME PLACE THAT SOMEBODY CAN GO SO THEY DON'T GO TO THE GARAGE AND TRY TO FIND A SPOT, THEY CAN PLAN
THEIR PARKING AHEAD OF TIME. >> INTENT IS AN APP THAT IT IS WORKING ON, IT'S JUST NOT READY
TODAY. >> THEN I MEAN, SO THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE GET TO THE DATA, THE VALUE LIE USE -- VALUE LIE USE OF OUR PARKING ARE AT THE CORE HEIGHT, DENSITY TIMES OF PARKING NEED AND SO I HOPE THAT ENGINEERING AND THE COUNCIL ADMINISTRATION WILL LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS -- THOSE ARE PARKING SPACES PAID BY PUBLIC TAX DOLLARS BEING USED BY A PRIVATE ENTITY FOR A PRIVATE BUSINESS PURPOSE AND THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT SO I'M REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT TYPES OF SOLUTIONS WE COME WITH THERE.
THANK YOU. >> YEAH, LET ME ADDRESS A CUP OFL THINGS, WE'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT EARLIER, WE'VE TAKEN STEPS, ENFORCEMENT WAS AN OBVIOUS ANSWER SO, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ADVERTISED FOR A POSITION FOR PARKING ENFORCEMENT SPECIFICALLY AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM TO -- THE CAMERA SYSTEM TO ENFORCE THAT, THE LPR SYSTEM, THAT'S ALREADY MOVING AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS.
IT SEEMED LIKE THE CARMEL WAY VERSUS BENZ *F [INAUDIBLE] WHERE YOU WOULD HIRE IT OUT, THAT'S ON THE PATH WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW. AND THEN YOUR OTHER QUESTION -- WHAT WAS YOUR LAST QUESTION? WAS IT VALET? YEFRJTS WEBSINGER HAVE SOME SUGGESTS AND FRAMEWORK FROM THEM OBVIOUSLY CHARGING FOR THOSE PUBLIC SPACES IF THEY'RE BEING USED AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE COUNCIL ON FRAMEWORK AND AN CODER NANS MOVING FORWARD, BUT ENFORCEMENT ON THAT IS KEY TO THIS LPR AS WELL COMING UP WITH SOMETHING FOR THE VALET
PARTNERS. >> ALRIGHT. I APOLOGIZE, I WAS LATE GETTING BACK INTO TOWN, SO I MAY HAVE MISSED A FEW THINGS BUT JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS.
I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. THE COUPLE OF THINGS, ENFORCEMENT I THOUGHT WAS RIGHT NOW BEING HANDLED BY COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS.
AND I THOUGHT WE JUST ADDED IN THE LAST BUDGET, I THOUGHT WE WERE EXPANDING THAT FORCE, SO, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS ANYONE OTHER THAN THE OFFICER THAT'S ON DUTY IN THAT DISTRICT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT IS FOCUSED ON ENFORCING PARKING TODAY?
>> I CAN ONLY SORT OF SPEAK -- I WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH LEGAL TO GET THE EXACT ANSWER.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE COME INTO THE OFFICE ABOUT GETTING TILTING, WE KNOW THE ENFORCEMENT IS LAX, WE'VE HAD SOME OFFICERS -- MY ASSUMPTION IS IETBACKER IT'S RESPONDING TO COMPLAINTS, THEY'RE TARGETING INSTEAD OF NOTING SOME SORT OF PARKING AND THAT'S BEEN ONE OF OUR POLICE
OFFICERS OR COMMUNITY POLICE OFFICERS. >> AND DOES THE DATA YOU COLLECTED, YOU PROBABLY SAID IT SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK IT, DOES IT SHOW OUR PARKING GARAGES DO NOT HAVE CAPACITY OR THEY DO HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY FOR OUR DOWNTOWN AREA?
>> IT DEPENDS ON THE TIME OF DAY AND DAY OF THE YEAR. >> OKAY, GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE
OF THE TIME WHEN WE'RE OKAY VERSUS WE'RE NOT OKAY. >> FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHTS AT PEAK, THE MIDTOWN CORRIDOR IS VERY STRESSED. IT SIGNALERS YOU NEED MORE PARKING. NOW DOES IT JUSTIFY BUILDING AN ENTIRE GARAGE FOR A FEW HOURS OF STRESS OR DO YOU BENEFIT MORE OF REDIRECTING SOME OF THAT CAPACITY OR SET RULES THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE WORKING, YOU NEED TO PARK ON THE UPPER LEVELS.
THERE'S LEVERS TO PULL TO HELP THING MISS THE SHORTER TERM. >> IS ONE OF THOSE LEVERS GETTING THE WINTER STORAGE OF MY FAVORITE CONVERTIBLE MG THAT I'M TOO CHEAP TO PARK IN A STORAGE UNIT OR MY BOAT OR THE TRAILER I SAW, DID THIS STUDY ADDRESS THE OBVIOUS THAT THERE
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ARE PEOPLE WHO I BELIEVE ARE MISUSING THAT NOW. I SUPPOSE THERE'S AN APARTMENT DWELLER THAT HAS A BOAT BUT THERE'S OBVIOUS VEHICLE THAT IS NEVER MOVE THAT I SUSPECT ARENOT THE APARTMENT OWNERS, SO DO WE HAVE ANY DATA ON THAT? >> CAN I KHAIM IN ON -- CHIME IN ON THAT. SO, FOR ANYONE LISTENING THAT ARE HEARING THIS KIND OF FOR THE FIRST TIME, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT THIS PARKING STUDY ADDRESSES SO, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES, WE'RE JUMPING BETWEEN HOW WE DEAL
WITH THE ON-STREET PARKING THAT ARE IN THE CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT BELONG TO THE CITY AND >> MS. HOWARD: WE MAKE SURE THERE'S PROPER TURNOVER THERE, JAMES TALKED ABOUT THAT AND A WHOLE SEPARATE ISSUE WHERE MOST OF OUR GARAGES -- OUR CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ENTITIES, THEY HAVE RIGHT TOS SET RULES SO, IN THOSE INSTANCES WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE ARE PARKING THEIR BOATS IN SPACES FOR MONTHS AT A TIME. SO, IN THOSE PUBLIC/PRIVATEER CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS, CRC IS REALLY ACT TIER. BEFORE SOMEONE IN THOSE GARAGE CANS PUT UP A SIGN THAT SETS ANY RULES, CRC MUST APPROVE THOSE.
IN THE RAIL YARD GARAGE, IT SAY IFS YOU'RE LONGER HERE THAN 72 HOURS, YOU WILL GET TOWED.
WHEN OPERATORS SEE AN ISSUE, THEY COME TO ME AND MAKE SURE THE SIGN IS RIGHT TO TOW THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE TOWED. THERE ARE MANY TIMES THAT THOSE BOATS ARE INDEED THE RESIDENCES, SO OPERATIONALLY THE APARTMENT USERS DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO MESS WITH THAT. THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER TIMES SPECIFICALLY A GARAGE OWNER CAME TO ME AND THERE WAS A GUY PARKING THEIR BOAT AND WE TRACKED DOWN THE GUY AND HE LIVED ACROSS THE STREET IN MANY NR* A A PLACE THAT CHARGED HIM FOR A PARKING SPOT SO HE PUT HIS BOAT IN ONE OF THE FREE GARAGES. I MET WITH THAT GUY AND HE GOT HIS BOAT OUT THE NEXT DAY. IN THOSE CASE BY CASE BASIS TCRC IS INVOLVED MANY THE PROJECT GARAGE ASSIGNMENT I DON'T WANT THAT TO CONFUSE THE CITY'S ENFORCEMENT RIGHT OF WAY
ISSUE. >> I WAS THINKING IF WE WERE SAYING WE'RE STRESSED ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS IN OUR PARKING GARAGES, I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THE MOST BASIC THING AND MAKE SURE ALL THOSE SPACES ARE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED THEM.
FIRST STREET SOUTHWEST, FIRST STREET SOUTHWEST I BELIEVE IS A A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE ENFORCEMENT IS BADLY NEEDED BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY MARKED LOADING AND UNLOADING ONLY FOR SERVICING THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND ROUTINELY ON THURSDAY WHEN I WENT OVER THERE, IT'S FULL WITH CAR AND IS IT'S CLEARLY MARKED 15 MINUTES AND THERE'S THE THREE HOUR AND THE TWO HOUR WHERE I KNOW THAT'S BEING ABUSED SO IN MY OPINION, THE PARKING STUDY PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE TO SHOW ME THIS, BUT I HOPE IT RAISES ENOUGH AWARENESS WHERE WE'VE GOT DO A BETTER JOB OF NOW MANAGING THE PARKING THAT WE HAVE SO THAT IT IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE FAIRLY. SO, AND THEN I'LL READ THE STUDY SINCE I WAS LATE.
>> SORRY, CAN I POINT ONE MORE THING OUT. THE PARKING STUDY WHILE IT FINDS THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE A BRAND NEW 500 SPACE GARAGE BUILT RIGHT NOW, IT SAY WE NEED TO ENHANCE PARKING AS THOSE PROJECTS HAPPEN, IT DOES HAVE THAT FINDING IN IT.
>> IN FACT, IT MENTIONS RIGHT BEHIND WHAT COULD BE A BEAUTIFUL FOOD HALL PARTNERSHIP WITH A PARKING GARAGE. I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH MY QUESTIONS AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO TONY'S DATA REQUEST AND, YEAH, WE ARE GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE BUT HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS ARE TAKING THIS AND THEN KIND OF KNOW WHERE OUR HEADS ARE AT AND COMING BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION IN AREAS WE'VE ASKED ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE POINT OF THIS, BUT -- OKAY. I DID HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE FIRE UNION ABOUT OUR PARKING GARAGES. ARE WE GOING TO START HAVING THEM BE ABLE TO ACCEPT OUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES? I BROUGHT THAT UP SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, THIS WAS AN
UNSOLICITED REQUEST, MORE OF A QUESTION. >> AS FAR AS NEW PARKING GARAGES, WE HAVE A FIREMAN ON REVIEW OF THOSE AND CAN MAKE THOSE COMMENTS BUT WE HEARD
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THAT ONE, YOU MADE THAT EARLIER THIS SUMMER. >> THANK YOU.
>> WE WERE PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT. >> AND I HAD A -- THERE'S A GENTLEMAN, MOST OF US ARE BUDDIES WITH, WE WERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND HE WAS ASKING ABOUT THIS AND IN REGARDS TO VALET PARKING, HE WAS LIKE, HEY, MAN, I HAVE 12 PARKING SPOTS, MY BUSINESS CLOSES AT 5:00, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO RENT IT OUT TO VALET, CAN WE DO A PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, IT HELPS SOME OF OUR LOCAL COMPANIES MAKE AN
EXTRA BUCK AND HELP WIDTHS THE VLET. >> THAT TAOES -- THE FIRST STEP IS ENFORCEMENT AND THEN WE CAN THINK ABOUT THAT, THE VALET WE CAN RUN IN PARALLEL AT THE SAME TIME AS FAR AS FORMING THE ORDINANCE AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
>> EXCELLENT. BECAUSE I STRUGGLE WHEN EVERY OTHER CITY YOU GO TO, THESE GUY ARES SPRINTING TO GET YOUR CAR AND OURS ARE TAKING YOUR CAR AND NOT MOVING IT AND THEN WANT TO GET PAID FOR IT. REALLY EXPLORING TECHNOLOGY THAT MIGHT WORK WITH EXISTING NEEDS OR FUTURE NEEDS WE MIGHT HAVE AS A CITY THAT MIGHT INTEGRATE INTO OUR VEHICLE, PERIOD. DEPENDING ON WHAT CITY I'M IN, MY CAR'S DASHBOARD DOES DIFFERENT THING AND IS LET'S ME KNOW WHERE PARKING GARAGE ARES AND ONE OF THEM TELLS ME HOW MANY SPACES ARE IN A PARKING GARAGE TWO BLOCKS AHEAD. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS FOR CONSIDERATION. IF YOU COULD GO THROUGH THE DATA THAT WAS REQUESTED, PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU, MATT, AND MR. TAYLOR, AND ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP.
I FEEL THE PRESENTATION WAS ABBREVIATE ED, THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL IN THE REPORT RELATING TO L.PR COSTS OF INSOURCING AND OUTSOURCING, THE ISSUES OF PEOPLE STAY INING THE GARAGES FOR A LENGTH OF TIME, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NOTED. AND THEN I THINK MR. TAYLOR HAD A POINT THAT YOU CAN LEVER YOUR VEHICLE PARKED AND YOU KNOW YOU WON'T GET A TICKET.
HOWEVER, WE'VE ALL BEEN TRAINED IF WE SPEED ON NORTH KEYSTONE, WE'RE GOING TO GET PULLED OVER SO WE NEED TO SET THAT EXPECTATION AND SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW IF THEY LEAVE THEIR
VEHICLE, THEY'LL GET TAGGED. >> I CAN SHARE STORY FROM THE CRC PER SPEKT I EVER, CERTAIN TENANTS OR CERTAIN DEVELOPERS SPECIFICALLY NEVER WANTED ENFORCEMENT OUTSIDE THEIR RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS BECAUSE THEY WOULD RATHER -- TO THEM, A TICKET FOR ONE OF THEIR PATRON WOULD RESULT IN A PRETTY NEGATIVE RESPONS, SO THIS IS VERY MUCH ABOUT CHANGING PEOPLE'S BEHAVIORS AND JUST BECAUSE WE DO SOMETHING A CERTAIN WAY TEN YEARS AGO AND THERE WAS FREE PARKING, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THAT GOING FORWARD.
MRFRJTS GREEN, THE DATA, I SELECTED BASICALLY TWO SLIDES JUST TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THE POINT AND NOT GO TOO DEEP TO., THE BAR GRAPH'S ON THE BOTTOM, THOSE SHOW NET ENTRIES AND NET EXITS, THE LINE BETWEEN THEM IS LIKE THE NET CHANGE, SO HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME IN IN THAT HOUR, HOW MANY PEOPLE LET IN THAT HOUR AND IS THE SUM OF THAT MAKE THING OCCUPANCY GO UP OR DOWN. YOU CAN SEE AROUND 2:00, SOPHIA SQUARE STARTS TO BUILD ABOVE ITS COMFORT POINT ON THE EVENINGS, AND THAT LINE, THAT DOTTED LINE REPRESENTS 85% LINE, SO ABOVE THAT IF YOU'RE FULL, YOU'RE GOING TO THE LOWER LEVEL OF SOPHIA TO FIND ANY
SPOTS. >> SO, WHY 85%, IS THAT AN INDUSTRY STANDARD OR A TARGET
FOR US? >> IT ACCOMMODATES FOR BOTH RESERVED PARKING AS WELL AS THE ABILITY TO FIND PARKING EASILY. AFTER -- IN A GARAGE, IT'S SLIGHTLY LOWER THIS ACCIDENTER NORMALIZES BETWEEN ON-STREET AND OFF-STREET N A GARAGE ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE AS FAR, ANYTHING BEYOND 85%, YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S FULL AND YOU CAN'T FIND SOMETHING, YOU'RE
CIRCLING. >> THIS IS ASSUMING THERE'S NOT THAT MANY SPACES AND A SIGN UP.
>> IN THE ABSENCE OF INFORMATION, YEAH. >> AND THIS IS ALSO -- AND THE
NEXT SLIDE AS WELL. >> I LOVE THIS ONE. >> OFTEN WE'RE EVENT-DRIVEN, SO
THIS ISN'T THE EVENT AT ALL, THIS IS AVERAGE DATA? >> NO, I MEAN, THIS SHOWS A TYPICAL SATURDAY IN CARMEL AND WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS ONE IS IT SHOWS -- AS YOU GO DOWN THE OUR HOURS OF THE DAY ACROSS THE PROPERTY YOU CAN SEE WHICH GARAGES UNLOAD FIRST AND ONCE THEY SATURATE, PEOPLE START TURNING TO OTHER PROPERTIES AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE START
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INCREASING FASTER. >> NOW THE RED, KIND OF GOING BACK TO COUNCIL'S EARLIER'S QUESTIONS, SO THE RED, 468, 447, WHAT'S THE COLOR, YOU KNOW? .
IT'S TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE RELATIVE LOADING, THAT THOSE HOUR ARES THE BUSIEST TIME OF
THAT SATURDAY. >> OKAY, AND HOW'S THAT RELATE TO KIND OF THAT 85% LINE THAT YOU HAD -- YOU KNOW, JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR SOPHIA, HOW'S THAT SO WE CAN SEE THE DANGER
AREAS, BUT WHAT'S THE REAL CAPACITY IMPACT? >> SO, A LOT OF THAT STUFF IS IN THE APPENDIX, YEAH. THEY HAVE MEASURED NUMBERS BUT IF I HAD TO GUESS, THAT
INDICATES 70-80% ACROSS CARMEL. >> AND IN THE OTHER SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE THAT I'LL LOOK THROUGH, THIS IS A SNAPSHOT, EVERYTHING'S KIND OF A SNAPSHOT OF THE WAY IT IS TODAY.
ARE THERE ANY PROJECTIONS ON ONCE THE OTHER PARKING GARAGES COME ONLINE AND ALL THE OTHER APARTMENTS ARE KIND OF FILLED AND BUILT OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO FORESEE WHAT OTHER DECISIONS WE
MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE. >> YEAH, SO PART OF THE STUDY INCLUDES SOME GROWTH MODELING
AND RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE SIZE OF INCREMENT NEEDED. >> COULD I STEP IN.
THERE'S A GENERAL ASSUMPTION THAT AS NEW REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS COME ON WITH STRUCTURED PARKING COMPONENTS, THAT THERE THEY'RE GOING TO PARK THEMSELVES BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING PROVIDE A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXTRA PARKING UNLESS THERE'S INCENTIVE FOR THE EXTRA PARKING BUT AS THERE'S THIS RISING TIDE THAT ACCURSES -- OCCURS WITH THE N*X FIVE PROJECTS, CARMEL IS GOING TO BECOME MORE POPULAR SO, THE RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO ADD CAPACITY WHEN IT'S TIME O THE ADD CAPACITY IS DEAL WITCHING THAT. ONE PROJECT AT A TIME SUPPORTERS ITSELF BUT -- EVEN ON THAT CHART, YOU SEE THAT LIKE THERE'S AN EVENT AROUND CITY CENTER THAT'S PUSHING THAT CITY CENTER PARKING UP THAT NECESSARILY LIKE MAIN STREET ISN'T NECESSARILY FEELING AND AT OTHER TIMES, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S PRESSURE ON THE MID TIME GARAGES OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE THAT'S NOT BEING FELT AT CITY CENTER AND EVERY GARAGE IS SUCH THAT YOU CAN PROBABLY PARK IN A GARAGE AND GO SOUTH AND NORTH SOIT'S NOT PERFECT. SO, FOR NOW THINGS ARE MOVING BUT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A COUPLE OF HUNDRED SPACES TO A GARAGE THAT'S ABOUT TO BE BUILT ANYWAYS THA,'S
WHAT'S GOIPG TO PREPARE US IF R THE FUTURE. >> I WOULD AGREE.
>> I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER, MR. GREEN, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION?
>> NO, BUT ALONG THE LINES, ALRIGHT, WHEN -- THEY HAD THIS AT THE PARKING GARAGE AT PARKING TO*N, HOW MANY SPACE ARES AVAILABLE, YOU SEE IT AT THE AIRPORT AS YOU DRIVE.
IS THERE ANYTHING COLLECTIVELY WHERE SOMEONE'S COMING INTO CARMEL AND THEY CAN SAY, I
CAN'T GET TO THE CARKINGTON BUT MIDTOWN HAS SOME SPOTS. >> NO, ANOTHER STRATEGY IS HOW YOU DISPLAY THOSE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT ALL YOUR GARAGE TATS SAME TIME.
IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIOR, YOU DRIVE THEM TO THIS GARAGE.
>> THERE THA*'S CERTAINLY A GOAL, THERE'S INFORMATION ABOUT RETROFITTING ALL THE EXISTING GARAGES, SINCE WE HAVE TWO WITH THAT INFORMATION, A DASHBOARD OR AN APP IS USEFUL FOR THOSE TWO GARAGES, IT'S SUPER HIGH PRIORITY, AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION WITH THAT INFORMATION, IF WE FIND THE OPPORTUNITY TO RETROFIT, THAT'S ANOTHER KEY ASPECT TO WAYFINDING AS IF PEOPLE ARE USING THEIR PHONE OR THEIR FANCY CARS THEY DRIVE, TELL
THEM WHERE TO GO. >> THAT WAS MY INITIAL QUESTION TO YOU, HENRY, WHICH I THINK MAYBE I DIDN'T ASK IT PROPERLY BUT IS THERE A WAY OF WORKING WITH THESE PRIVATE --
>> THERE IS. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. >> THERE'S DIFFERENT GARAGES, THOUSAND *F HOW THEY WERE BUILT AND THE AGREEMENTS, THAT COMPLICATES IT.
THERE'S A WAY TO DO ALL OF THEM, THERE'S A COST HAS GOES WITH THEM.
>> THERE WAS SOME COST RECOVERY IN SOME OF THIS DOCUMENTATION, BY THE WAY, IT WAS A GREAT JOB, JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, SORRY I DIDN'T TELL YOU THAT ON THE ONSET.
THE OTHER QUESTION TOO IS GOING BACK TO THE SIGNAGE WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO COUNCILOR GREEN'S POINT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY WHERE THESE GARAGES ARE FULL
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AND THERE'S NO WAY OF PUSHING PEOPLE TO OTHER PARKING GARAGES BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I GO OUT TO EAT, I WANT TO PARK THE CLOSEST PLACE I POSSIBLY CAN BUT I REALIZE SOMETIMES I CAN'T, SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT THAT PUSHES PEOPLE INTO THOSE OTHER PARKING LOTS WHICH WAS ANOTHER POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IN THE BEGINNING BUT I CLEARLY DIDN'TMAKE. >> JAMES MAKES THIS POINT TOO, IF THERE'S NOT A SIGN OUTSIDE TO SAY HOW MANY SPACES, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO DRIVE IN THE GARAGE UNTIL THEY DRIVE BACK OUT. CRC STARTED -- COUNCIL GRAVER -- GAVE CRC MONEY, THE LIGHTS AND N THE PARKING GARAGE WAS OLD AND IT WAS TIME THE REPLACE THEM.
IT MADE SENSE AS THE *F STREETS WAS REPLACING THE LIGHT TOS PUT IN THE PARKING COUNTING INFRASTRUCTURE. EVERY GARAGE IS SDRIFRNT *F DISTRICT SO THE COSTS ARE DIFFERENT, WE DO WHERE 25% OF THE SPACE ARES RESERVED. IN THE RAIL YARD GARAGE THA,'S THE ONE IN THE RAIL YARD PROJECT IN MIDTOWN, ALL THE RESERVES SPACES, THEY'RE AT THE TOP FLOOR, SOIT'S EASY TO SAY DID YOU GO INTO THE GARAGE, WE SCAN ONCE, DID YOU GO INTO THE RESERVED SPOT, WE SCAN YOU AGAIN. NOW WE KNOW HOW MANY SPACES ARE OPEN FOR OTHER PEOPLE. THE THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THE RESERVE ARES SCATTERED THROUGHOUT, SO THE COSTS REALLY DO CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE GARAGE.
ALSO IF YOUR GARAGE JUST GOT BUILT, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT DOING THAT VERSUS IF YOU'RE TWO YEARS AWAY OF REPLACING ALL YOUR LIGHTS, IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE O LOOK AT THAT KIND OF
RETROFIT SO IT VARIES. >> YES, THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO I'M LOOKING HERE AT THE PATTERN ACROSS THE SYSTEM BUT I WANT TODAY SEE IF WE DIVE INTO -- BECAUSE IT SEEMS -- IT'S NOMINAL TO ME AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND IT IS THE VETERANS WAY GARAGE, DO YOU HAVE AN INFLEE NRO*E AND OUT FLOW GARAGE ON THAT ONE?
>> IT IS AN ANOMALY, AT THE TIME THE STUDIES WERE BEING TAKEN, THE WREN AND THE WINDSOR DID NOT FILL THAT GARAGE, SO OUR COUNTS OF VETERANS EXCLUDES THE TWO LARGEST BUILDINGS BEING BUILT THERE. SO, IT WAS A LITTLE
UNDERCOUNTED AND THE REPORT NOTES THAT. >> WELL, IT HAS A PEAK PARKING
AT 9:00 A.M. >> YEAH, A LOT OF THOSE BUSINESSES ARE MORNING
BUSINESSES. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE RETAIL?
>> YES. >> THAT'S WHY I LIKE TO SEE THE INFLOW AND OUT-FLOW.
>> [INAUDIBLE] >> IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE IT WAS, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
>> THERE'S ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO POP IN ON. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE DETAIL IN THIS. I THINK ULTIMATELY IT HAS TO BE A MARRIAGE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT'S GOING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE, YES, STAFFING ENFORCEMENT IS IMPORTANT BUT HOW DO WE CREATE THAT KIND OF ABILITY FOR THE ENFORCEMENT TO EVEN EXIST.
I LOVE THE ITERATION OUT HERE ON THE LPR ENFORCEMENT AND PHASES THAT YOU HAVE PUT INTO THE STUDY, AS THE VALET LICENSING PROGRAM FEES AND THE SUGGESTIONS ON O THE COST RECOVERY ON THOSE FEES. I THINK THE DETAILS IN THIS STUDY ARE REALLY HELPFUL.
LOOK AGENT THE FINANCIAL STABILITY AND TRYING TO FIGURE HOUT HOW WE DO THAT, THE SUSTAINABILITY OF A MODEL THE LIKE THIS, I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT STEP FOR US TO TAKE NOW IS TO DIGEST THIS DATA AND GET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOU, GET RECOMMENDATIONS DRIVEN BY THE DATE DA IN THE STUDY ASK TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS THAT ARE ENFORCEABLE AND WORKABLE. I THINK IT'S -- THE BUTTE I THE *FTY IS A LOT OF IT IS IN HERE AND I THINK HAVING THAT TIME TO REALLY DIGEST THIS IS GOING TO BE HELPFUL.
I ALSO THINK THAT THE STREET PARKING THAT'S BEEN REFERENCED MULTIPLE TIMES BY MULTIPLE OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL IS STILL NOT ADDRESSED AS WELL THROUGHOUT THIS STUDY AND I STILL THINK WE
HAVE ISSUES WE NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THAT. >> THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING, SO AGAIN, THE TECHNOLOGY OR 2 IMPLEMENTATION OF ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO HELP US WITH THAT SO WE HAVE AN ARCHAIC WAY TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PLACARDS AND DIFFERENT THINS AND WE TRIED IT A COUPLE OF DINT TIMES WITH DIFFERENT SIGNAGE AND METHODS TO SOME VARY RIG LEVELS OF SUCCESS, THE ON-STREET PARKING ON MAIN STREET HAS THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S MORE ENFORCEABLE, THAT CARRIES INTO THAT RESIDENTIAL PARKING SYSTEM
POTENTIALLY. >> OKAY. >> ONE FINAL COMMENT AND THAT
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RELATES TO THE AGES OF THE GARAGE AND ONGOING MAINTENANCE. THIS SUMMER WE SAW MIDTOWN NORTH GET REPAIRED AND ALL THAT DISPLACEMENT. A LOT OF THE GARAGE ARES REACH HATING POINT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ANGOING CHALLENGE AND THAT RELATE TOS THE SUGGESTIONFOR CAPACITY. >> SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON STREET PARKING AND IT SOUNDS TO THE ME LIKE ONE OF OUR GOALS IS TO RE-EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, CHANGE BEHAVIOR.
WE HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE HUNDREDS BUT WE HAVE DOZENS OF SIGNS IN OUR CORE THAT SAY NO PARKING, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL SIGNS, THEY HAVE BLACK, I MEAN, THEY ARE JUST THE BEAUTIFUL SIGN I HAVE EVER SEEN, THEY SAY NO PARKING, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8:30 A.M. TO 9:30 A.M., WHILE CARMEL PLAY SCHOOL ARES IN SESSION EXCEPT VEHICLES WITH RESIDENTIAL STICKERS AND THEN THERE'S BEAUTIFUL PICTURE OF A TOW TRUCK WITH A CAR ON THE HOOK. NOW, I REMEMBER THAT THESE SIGNS ARE BACK FROM THE EARLY 2000'S, MAYBE EARLIER THAN HAD HAS THA* AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT CARMEL HIGH SCHOOL AND THE PARKING ROUTE, THAT ISSUE GOT WORSE, WE CHANGE AND HAD MODIFIED -- SCHOOL DOESN'T EVEN START UNTIL 9 SOMETHING NOW SO THESE ARE IRRELEVANT. I HAVE WALKED BY THEM, I HAVE
KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT, I THINK WE NEED TO GET THEM DOWN. >> ARE YOU SURE THERE'S
HUNDREDS OF THEM? >> MAYBE THOUSANDS OF THEM. >> THEY SHOULD HAVE ALL BEEN REMOVED. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT ORDINANCE ANYMORE.
I HAVE TO SEE WHICH ONE YOU'RE REFERENCING. WHEN WE CHANGED IT RECENTLY FOR THE SCHOOL SPRINGING AND ADDED NEW SIGNS, THEY DID TRACK THE OLD SIGNS.
THERE WERE THOUSANDS PROBABLY TO START AND MAYBE WE'RE DOWN TO A HANDFUL, SO IF YOU SEE
THEM, LET ME KNOW. MAYBE I MISSED THEM. >> WE DID ZONES AROUND THE HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE. THESE SIGNS ARE OVER ON THE WEST SIDE.
>> THEY'RE PROBABLY NO LONGER VALID. IF THEY WEREN'T IN THE ZONE
WHEN THEY WERE PUT THING NEW ONES UP. >> THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH RAIN HAS THEM ALL UP AND DOWN THERE, BUT I HAVE A PICTURE OF A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD SO, ANYWAY, OKAY, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE SUPPOSED O COME DOWN, SO --
>> I'LL DOUBLE CHECK, IF THEY'RE THE SIGNEES I -- IF WE'RE TALKING A THE SAIL SIGN,
I'VE SEEN SOEM OTHER THE LAST YEAR OR SO. >> JUST FOR TWO MORE MINUTES, SO DID YOU SPEAK ABOUT -- WE'VE ALWAYS HAD KIND OF A THEORY THAT WE CAN KEEP RESIDENTIAL STREET SPEEDS DOWN BY ALLOWING PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
HOWEVER, WHAT I AM SEEING IN SOME OF OUR CORE AREAS IS BY DOING THAT, WE'RE GETTING THE BUSINESSES AND IT'S NOT REALLY JUST RESIDENTS, WE GET THE OVERFLOW TOF BUSINESSES WHO MAY WALK A BLOCK UP ON RANGE LINE BUT ARE PARK INING THE SAID NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHAT'S OUR THEORY ON THAT SO I KNOW LIKE EVEN UP FIRST AVENUE FROM SOPHIA, THERE'S OVERFLOW THERE, THERE'S OVERFLOW ON THE EAST/WEST STREET, WHAT'S OUR THEORY ABOUT SPEED AND ALLOWING OR NOT ALLOWING PARKING ON OUR RESIDENTIAL STREETS WHERE LITERALLY THEY'RE BUMPER AND BUMPER AND YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE AROUND THAT THING. THAFRJT'S JUST A GENERAL PRINCIPLE, NARROWER ROAD GOES TO A LOWER SPEED. THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTOR THAT IS'S GOING TO GO ON BOTH SIDES TOF ROAD, ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE THAT YU MAY HAVE OUT THERE THAT HELPS INFORM YOU ON WHAT WOULD *F WE DO, SO WE HAVE A RUBRIC FOR STREET WIDTHS ON STEP ONE, DOES IT QUALIFY ON ONE OR BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD AND THAT'S BASED AROUND EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS. YOU GO FROM THERE TO THERE'S THESE ISSUES WITH BUSINESSES AND YOU MIGHT RESTRICT PARKING FURTHER.
>> IS THAT FACTORED INTO THIS? >> THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE SCOPE OF THE STUDY,
NO. >> COULD YOU -- SO, WE SORT OF TAKE A HODGEPODGE APPROACH TO RESIDENTIAL PARK INING THE CENTRAL CORRIDOR, WE GET A COMPLAINT, WE TALK TO THEM, THERE APPEARS TO BE AN ISSUE, WE REVIEW IT, WE PUT IN RESIDENTIAL PARKING OR SOME TYPE OF MECHANISM AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DEFERMENT ACTIVITY.
WHAT IS THE NEXT STEPS AND PROCESS TO LOOK AT OUR CENTRAL CORE AND I KNOW TERESA'S BEEN INTERESTED IN THIS, TO EVALUATE OUR STREET PARKING, WHERE DO WE ADD ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS AND
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SO OBVIOUSLY WITH THE HOPES THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE ENFORCEMENT TO CHANGE BEHAVIORS BUT WHAT'S THE PROCESS TO GET TO SOME SOLUTIONS IN THESE CENTRAL CORRIDORS THAT ARE DEAL WITCHING THIS ISSUE VERSUS WE GET A COMPLAINT AND COME TO YOU AND GET AN ORDERINANCE DONE?>> WE COULD TRY TO TAKE THOSE COMPLAINTS AND THINK MORE GENERALLY OR HOLISTICALLY ABOUT THEM BUT YOU CAN IMAGINE A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE ISSUES -- IN AN ENGINEER'S MIND ONE OF THE FACTORS IN WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND. A LOT OF PEOPLE -- THE RHODES FROM THE 70'S AND 80'S ARE WHAT THEY ARE AND POORLY DESIGNED BECAUSE OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT WANTED TO HAVE A 35 FOOT ROAD BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE UPS TRUCK IN. THERE'S CONSEQUENCE TO THAT, HIGHER SPEEDS AND MORE DANGEROUS AREAS, YOU CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING, IT'S A BALANCE. IF WE LOOK AT THOSE, WE KIND OF GET THE COMPLAINTS AND WE KIND OF TRY TO LOOK AT THEM MORE HOLISTICALLY TO GIVE THEM A
MORE HOLISTIC ANSWER. >> THERE NAOETS AN APPROACH TO EVALUATE THE RESIDENTIAL CORE OR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO DETERMINE WHERE WE WANT TO TAKE ACTION AND NOT?
>> WE CAN, AND WE HAVE THAT RUBRIC FOR HERE'S THE WIDTH OF YOUR STREET AND THAT'S WHERE WE START IT, ON ONE SIDE OR ON BOTH SIDES. MAYBE IF WE ALLOW PARKING ON BOTH SIDES AND HAVE THE REQUIRED WIDTH FOR THE FIRE TRUCK TO GET DOWN, BUT NA'S
INTENTIONAL. >> THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS WE ALREADY ALLOW STREET PARKING THAT THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT AT ALL THEN, THERE'S NO TIME LIMITS, THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT A ALL. I'M TALKING MORE OF THAT TYPE OF APPROACH, JUST NOT WHETHER OR NOT PARKING IS ALLOWED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, WHERE THERE IS EXISTING PARKING, SHOULD WE PUT TIME LIMIT INS THERE, SO SHOULD WE LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL PROGRAMS.
>> YEAH, OBVIOUSLY WITH -- SO, OUR OFFICE PROBABLY HASN'T INITIATED THAT BECAUSE WE WERE AWARE OF THE LAX ENFORCEMENT SO IT WASN'T BE A SOLUTION THAT'S VIABLE IN MY OPINION IF YOU'RE
NOT GOING TO ENFORCE. >> IT'S AN EASY REGISTRATION PROCESS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS, THEY CAN GO ONLINE, SUBMIT THEIR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, SUBMIT THEIR GUEST LICENSE PLATE NUMBER AND THEN IT'S AUTOMATICALLY INCORPORATED INTO THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM.
>> YEAH, NOW IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS NEW SYSTEM, IT IS ENFORCEABLE, I WOULD FIND IT A VIABLE TOOL IN OUR TOOL CHEST TO USE. BEFORE IT WASN'T, NOW THAT THAT'S A TOOL, WE MAY COME WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OR DO A STUDY THAT WOULD SHOW HOW TO IMPLEMENT THAT TO SOLVE THE ISSUES IN SOME OF THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
>> WHICH KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT COUNCILOR TAYLOR SAID, SECOND AVENUE SOUTHWEST HAS HAD ISSUES WITH PEOPLE PARKING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS.
I KNOW THERE WERE SOME ISSUES AND REQUESTS ABOUT MAKING THAT A ONE-WAY STREET OR A ONE SIDE PARKING STREET, BUT I GUESS IT MAKES SENSE AS YOU GUYS ARE SAYING TO -- IT SLOWS TRAFFIC DOWN, SO, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONCERNS AND SOME COMPLAINTS ON THAT STREET ABOUT PEOPLE
PARKING. >> WE CHANGED THE STRIPING TO HELP NOT HAVE PEOPLE PARK BEHIND THE DRIVEWAYS. I THINK ENFORCEMENT-WISE, I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY IN STATE CODE, YOU DON'T NEED AN LPR OR SOME FANCY TECHNOLOGY, IT'S HARD TO CATCH THOSE
PERPETRATORS. >> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, IT MAY NOT SPECIFIC TO PARKING, OUTSIDE OF THE PARKING GARAGE WHERE SAVOR IS TELEVISING'S ONE WAY GOING SXOUT THERE'S A THREE WAY STOP, BRAD, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE MAD AT ME FOR BRNGING THAT UP.
TLFRJT'S A CONSTITUENT THAT ALSO POINTED THAT OUT TO US, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY E-MAIL TO SEE WHAT I SUBJECTING WE WERE GOING TO DO BUT WE MAY MAKE A CHANGE TO THAT.
IT SEEMS SILLY AND I NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT, WE DO WANT TO AVOID ANY OPPORTUNITY -- BECAUSE I THINK VULD TO GO THE WRONG WAY TO STAOE *F SEE THE STOP SIGN, BECAUSE WE HAVE
ENOUGH PEOPLE GOING THE WRONG WAY -- >> I AGREE WITH YOU, THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT GO DO* GO THE WRONG WAY OUT OF THAT PARKING.
>> THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL BUT WE STILL NEED TO BE SAFE.
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>> WE'RE GOING WRAP THIS UP HERE IN A MINUTE. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, ONE TO TERESA'S POINT, WE SEE IN THIS GARAGES A LOT WHERE IT RESTRICTS THE SIZE OF THE PEOPLE AND IT REALLY IS A NUISANCE HAVING A GIANT DELIVERY TRUCK AND THEN AN F350 OR SOMETHING ELSE, YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH, IT DOESN'T WORK AND YOU CAN DO ALL THE MEASUREINGING YOU WANT ALL DAY LONG, PEOPLE DON'T PARK ON THE CURB, ACROSS FROM DELIVERY ZONES, IS IT COMPACT VEHICLE ONLY OR JUST A THOUGHT, SOMETHING O TO CONSIDER.
AND THEN ESPECIALLY AS THE COUNCIL STARTING EXPLORING WHAT THE MISSION OF OUR ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE S OUR ADA, HOW ARE WE ADDRESSING THAT, FEDERAL ADA IS ONE AND ONE IN SIX SPOTS OF HANDICAPPED SPOTS HAVE TO BE VAN ACCESSIBLE WHICH IS TWO SPOTS, SAFE CODE IS 1 IN 8 BUT WE SHALL ENFORCE THE MORE RESTRICTIVE OF THE TWO, AND THEN THERE IS THE -- ONE OF ADA COMPLIANCE IS SHORTEST DISTANCE TO THE ENTRANCE OF A BUILDING AND THIS IS A A LOT OF THEORY THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. OF ENTRANCE TO WHAT BUILDING OR WHAT BUSINESS AND HOW ARE WE ASSESSING WHERE ON THE STREET OR ON A GARAGE, BUT --
>> THERE'S DIFFERENT RULES FOR PUBLIC STREETS VERSUS THE SITE SO, WHAT YOU'RE QUOTE ISING FOR A SITE DEVELOPMENT OR A PARKING GARAGE, IT MAY APLAY *F MRI DIFFERENT I *FLY ON A PUBLIC STREET. IF I HAVE A PUBLIC STREET THAT IS HOWEVER LONG AND THERE'S 12
BUSINESSES, WHERE DO THOSE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACES GO. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
LOOKING AT IT. >> YES, 100%. >> OKAY.
>> UNDER GARAGES, THE ARCHITECTS HAVE TO HAVE ADA. >> YOU PLAY *F PLAY WITH THE NUMBER OF SPOTS SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED?
>> THIS COMMITTEE TOF WHOLE OVER THE CARMEL DOWNTOWN
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