Apr 20, 2026 City Council Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> GOOD EVENING. WE WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE MONDAY APRIL 20TH MEETING OF THE

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR INVO INVOCATION.

ISLAND I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THE RABBI OF THE -- THANK YOU. PLEASE, SIR.

>> PEOPLE MISPRONOUNCING THAT SO YOU'RE IN GREAT COMPANY.

>> MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE, WE BESEECH YOU TO BESTOW YOUR BLESSINGS UPON THIS DISTINGUISHED BODY AS THEY DILIGENTLY FULFILL ONE OF THE UNIVERSAL NOAH HIDE COMMANDS YOU'VE GIVEN UNTO HUMANITY, TO GOVEN BY JUST LAWS. IN THESE DIVISIVE TIMES WE STRIVE TO LIVE BY THE TEACHINGS OF THE MENTOR, BLESSED MEMORY WHO TAUGHT THAT DIFFERENCES NEED NOT LEAD TO DIVISION. TO THE CONTRARY, THE ULTIMATE DEFINE UNITY AND PRODUCTIVITY IS ONLY FOUND WHERE THE VITAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PEOPLE ARE OVERSHADOWED BY WHAT IS COMMON TO ALL OF US. THAT WE ARE GOD'S CREATIONS. BECAUSE OF THE IN GOD WE TRUST.

OH MIGHTY GOD PLEASE BLESS THIS BODY AND ALL OF US SO THAT WE SUCCESSFULLY FOSTER AN ENVIRONMENT OF LIBERTY AND A DEEP ER APPRECIATION THAT WITHI EACH INDIVIDUAL LIES RASHREMARK POTENTIAL FOR GOOD. HELP US SANKFY OUR LIVES, DEDICATE OUR RESOURCES, HARNESS OUR TIME AND OUR TALENTS TO BE A FORCE FOR GOODNESS AND GOOD GODLINESS, INSPIRE US TO WORK DILIGENTLY IN MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE STARTING WITH OURSELVES AND THEN EXTENDING TO OUR FAMILIES AND THEN OUR COMMUNITIES. AND MAY THESE LOCAL ACTS ACCUMULATE TO A MUCH LARGER FORCE AS THE GREAT MINONITY WRITES, EACH PERSON MUST SEE THEMSELVES AND THE ENTIRE WORLD AS AN EVEN SCALE. AND WITH A SINGLE GOOD DEED, THEY CAN TIP THE SCALE TO GOOD. USHERING THE FULFILLMENT OF THE PROPHET ISAIAH'S WORDS THAT NATION THAT NOT LIFT UP SWORD AGAINST NATION. WE EAGERLY ANTICIPATE THIS WORLD OF PEACE AND BROTHERHOOD, SO MAY W BE YOUR WILL AND LET US RESPOND, ALLEGIANCE LED BY OUR DEPUTY MAYOR FOR THE EVENING. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD

INDEVICEABLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> ALL RIGHT.

[5.a. Swearing-in of New Carmel Police Department Officers]

POLICE OFFICERS. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

IT'S EXCITING NIGHT HERE AFTER A VERY RIGOROUS SCREENING PROCESS WE HAVE FOUR GENTLEMEN HERE WHO I'M VERY EXCITED TO WELCOME TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. REALLY TALENTED GUYS.

SO I WILL INTRODUCE EACH OF THEM. FIRST OF ALL TYLER WININGS FROM THE LEBANON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HE ALSO SERVED IN THE NATIONAL GUARD FOR 6 YEARS PRIOR TO BEGINNING HIS CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MANY YEARS AGO TAILOR WAS ALSO A CARMEL POLICE CADET AND FINALLY CAME BACK AROUND TO US.

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NEXT, DANIEL EANES HE STUDIED PSYCHOLOGY AT COLLEGE OF ST. JOSEPH WHERE HE ATTENDED ON A GOLF SCHOLARSHIP AND PHILIP SMILEY AND IN ADDITION TO TEACHING AND WORKING AS A STAFF MEMBER EVAN HAS COACHED WRESTLING AND SEVERAL AREA HIGH SCHOOLS AND EARNED HIS BACHELOR DEGREE FROM INDIANAPOLIS WHERE HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE WRESTLING TEAM. THOSE ARE FOUR NEW RECRUITS HERE TONIGHT.

DUT DUTIFULLY -- SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES -- STATE OF INDIANA -- AND CITY OF CARMEL. SO HELP ME GOD.

WELCOME TO CARMEL.

>> FAMILY. >> ANY FAMILY WANTS TO TAKE PHOTOS?

[5.b. Presentation of Life-Saving Awards]

AWARDS, CHIEF STERLING. >> YEAH, VERY LUCKY TONIGHT TO HAVE A COUPLE OF OFFICERS AND A NUMBER OF FIRE FIGHTERS WITH US AS WELL A SURVIVOR. SO THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OFFICER MARY POTVIN AND SERGEANT JEREMY MEIER. ON MARCH 4TH, 2026 AT APPROXIMATELY 11:25 P.M. OFFICERS WITH THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONDED TO UNKNOWN EMS CALL AT A LOCAL ADDRESS. OFFICER MARY POTVIN WAS FIRST ON SCENE AND WAS MET BY A FEMALE MARIA WHO SAID HER HUSBAND WITH YOU UNCONSCIOUS. WITHOUT HESITATION OFFICER POTVIN APPLIED AD AND IMMEDIATELY BEGAN CPR AND SERGEANT JEREMY MAYOR MEIER ARRIVED SHORTLY AFTER. OFFICER POTVIN SAID THIS IS THE SECOND SHOCK AND SERGEANT MEIER AND OFFICER POTVIN CONTINUED TO ADMINISTER LIFE SAVING MEASURES. ADDITIONAL SHOCKS WERE ADMINISTERED BY MEDICINE PERSONAL AND MEDICS LATER ADVISED HE HAD REGAINED A PULSE AND TRANSPORTED TO ST. VINCENT HEART CENTER FOR FURTHER TREATMENT.

MEDICAL STATUE AT ST. VINCENT LATER EXPLAINED IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR THE OFFICER'S RAPID RESPONSE IN THE IMMEDIATE APPLICATION OF CPR AND AD M MR. PEREZ WOULD NOT HAVE SURVIVED. THE SWIFT ACTIONS AND DEVICIVE SPONTION AND COMMITMENT TO PRESERVING LIFE DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTED TO SAVING M MR. PEREZ'S LIFE AND THEIR PROFESSIONALISM AND DEDICATION REFLECT THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEREFORE TONIGHT THEY ARE BEING AWARDED THE LIFE SAVING AWARD. WE ALSO WANT TO THANK FOR THE CONTINUOUS DONATIONS OF AD TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITHOUT THEIR HELP WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OUTFIT POLICE CARS WITH AN AD. AND I KNOW PIERRE IS HERE TONIGHT WITH THE BOTTLE TEAM AND HE WAS KIND OF ENOUGH TO JOIN US ON SHORT NOTICE AND I KNOW HE WILL BE RECOGNIZING THE SURVIVOR AS WELL WITH A NICE MEDAL AND I KNOW CHIEF THAT CKER WOULD LIKEO

SAY SOME WORDS ABOUT HIS FIRE FIGHTERS AS WELL. >> I WOULD INVITE THOSE FIRE

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SOMETHING THAT EVERY ONE OF US IN THIS ROOM CANNOT IMAGINE AND TO BRING CALM TO THAT SITUATION AND THROUGH THE INCREDIBLE TRAINING, TECHNOLOGY, THAT WE HAVE AFFORDED, MAYOR FINKOM, THANK YOU, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE HAVE A SURVIVOR HERE AND NATIONALLY, YOU KNOW WHEN WE LOOK AT RETURN OF SPONTANEOUS CIRCULATION, ACTUALLY IT'S AROUND 25 OR 30% IN THE CITY OF CARMEL IT'S ALMOST OFFICERS 50% BECAUSE OF THE TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT AND DEDICATION OF YOUR HEROS HERE TONIGHT AND SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AND THANK HIM AND --

SURVIVOR AND HIS WIFE AS WELL. THANK YOU. >> BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY LONG

[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]

MAYOR COMMENTS, OBSERVATIONS, DONE NOW THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCILLORS. MY NAME IS -- BORTI AND I'M A 5TH GRADER AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND I WILL BE DELIVERING TONIGHT'S MAYOR COUNCIL REPORT. TOMORROW EVENING THE CITY WILL KICK OFF THE 2026 NEIGHBOURHOOD POPUP SERIES. THE FIRST ONE WILL BE HELD IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL DISTRICT OF THE WESTERN MAYOR COMMENTS PLAYGROUND PARKING LOT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR NEIGHBOURS TO GET TOGETHER AND FOR THE RESIDENTS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CITY SERVICES AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE OTHER FIVE NEIGHBOURHOOD POPUPS WE ARE PLANNING THIS YEAR.

ON FRIDAY THE CITY OF CARMEL WILL HOST THE ANNUAL HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL CEREMONY.

THIS IS AN EVENT WHERE WE HONOR THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO LIVES WERE LOST DURING THE HOLOCAUST AND IT ALSO REMINDS US THE IMPORTANCE OF STANDING AGAINST HATRED AND WORKING TO PREVENT SUCH TRAGEDIES IN THE FUTURE. FINALLY MARCH MAY 2ND THIS CELEBRATING SPRING AND JAPANESE CULTURE AND FAMILIES CAN ENJOY DELICIOUS FOOD AND TRY HANDS ON ACTIVITIES.

IT'S ALSO GREAT CHANCE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR SISTER CITY IN JAPAN, THE FESTIVAL WILL ALSO BEGIN WITH A SPECIAL RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY TO CELEBRATE THE REOPENING OF THE CARMEL

JAPANESE GARDEN, THE EVENT IS FREE FOR EVERYONE TO ATTEND. >> NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AT

THIS TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. ANY COUNCIL COMMENTS? >> I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AFTER SWEARING IN OUR CARMEL POLICE OFFICERS AND SEEING THAT WONDERFUL PRESENTATION ABOUT LIFE SAVING AWARDS HERE IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY IS IMPORTANT TO TAKE A PAUSE AND RECOGNIZE OUR SAFE OUR CITY IS. I THINK THERE WAS A PRESS RELEASE PUT OUT RECENTLY BY THE MAYOR'S OFFICE THAT CRIME HAS ACTUALLY GONE DOWN IN THE CITY OF CARMEL WHILE OUR POPULATION IS INCREASING, WHICH IS KIND OF REALLY UNHEARD OF NATION-WIDE. AND THEN AS WE WERE TALKING TO THE MAYOR I THINK THERE WAS EVEN A SAFEST CITY STUDY THAT WE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY MADE WE DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR THE LIST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A SINGLE MURDER.

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>> ABSOLUTELY.

OF THE THINGS THAT MAYOR BROUGHT UP, THE HOLOCAUST EVENT THIS FRIDAY AT THE THEATER AT NOON, VERY MOVING, VERY WONDERFUL MESSAGE ABOUT HATRED FROM ALL DIRECTIONS AND WHAT IT CAN LEAD TO AND I ALSO WANTED TO REITERATE JAPANESE SPRING FEST, WHICH IS MAY 3RD CELEBRATING THE 85-YEAR-OLD DESIGNER AND BUILDER I SPOKE WITH OUT THERE TODAY WHILE HE WAS MOVING STONES 'CAUSE HE DIDN'T FEEL THEY WERE IN THE APPROPRIATE SPOT. TRULY, TRULY A BRILLIANT INDIVIDUAL AND WE'RE SO BLESSED TO HAVE HAD THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM AND SUCH AN AMAZING PHASE ONE OF OUR GARDEN TO OUR SOUTH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE -- IF I CAN PULL UP MY NOTES HERE, EXCUSE ME. PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AND WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW.

[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]

AND PRIVATE BUSINESSES. WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT I AM HOPING OUR ROLE CONTINUES TO BE IS TO CONTINUE LISTENING AND TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE, AS A CITY, CAN DO.

ACTIONABLE ITEMS WHETHER THAT'S I'VING WAYS TO SUPPORT RESIDENTS WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY OR ENSURING THE ACCURATE HELPFUL INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. WHAT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL THIS EVENING FOR US AS A COMMUNITY WOULD BE SPECIFIC, CONSTRUCTIVE IDEAS ON HOW THE CITY CAN SUPPORT RESIDENTS AND NEW AND CLARIFYING QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE INTO THE CITY'S ICE FAQ THAT THE MAYOR PUT TOGETHER AND IS ON OUR WEBSITE TO IMPROVE INFORMATION WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

WE HAVE -- AND IT'S NO FAULT OF ANYBODY SPEAKING TONIGHT, A HUGE AGENDA TONIGHT.

A LOT OF THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS TO GET THROUGH. SO WE'RE GOING TO STRUCTUR THE PUBLIC COMMENT AS FOLLOWS, IT'S GOING TO BE 45 MINUTES. BASED ON THE NUMBER OF CARDS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE NONE OR AGENDA ITEM COMMENTS FIRST, I STILL THINK WE GET THROUGH EVERYBODY.

IF FOR SOME REASON WE DON'T I WILL STAY AFTER AND LISTEN TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK BUT OUR GOAL TONIGHT IS TO LISTEN, BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER AND REGARDLESS OF POINT OF VIEW OR PERSPECTIVE AND ENSURE WE CAN BOTH HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC WHILE STILL CARRYING OUT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES THIS EVENING AS A COUNCIL. BEFORE WE BEGIN I AM GOING TO HAVE -- AS JUST AN EDUCATIONAL MOMENT, WE HAVE TWO INDEPENDENT ATTORNEYS HERE, CITY COUNCIL RETAINS THEIR OWN ATTORNEY FROM A PRIVATE LAW FIRM AND THEN WE HAVE CITY TORNTS ATTORNEYS AND I WENT TO THEM TO CONCISELY SPEAK TO WHAT THE AUTHORITIES OF A MUNICIPALITY ARE FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS NOT READ THE FAQ SO THAT WHEN THOSE OF YOU WHO WANT TO SPEAK AND LET US KNOW HOW YOU'RE FEELING YOU CAN CLEARLY IDENTIFY WAYS TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY IMPACT.

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>> CORPORATION COUNCIL, I'LL START. AS YOU ALL KNOW, ICE IS A FEDERAL AGENCY THAT EXECUTED A LEASE TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY WITH A PRIVATE BUILDING. AND WE, AS COUNCILOR SNYDER EARLIER POINTED OUT CORRECTLY WE CANNOT EFFECT THE LEASE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE ENTITIES.

WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY UNDER ANY OF OUR CITY ORDINANCES OR UNDER OUR STATE LAW OR FEDERAL LAW. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS FAR AS WE KNOW THIS ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE PROPERLY LE PROPERTY LEASE DID NOT REQUIRE ANY CITY APPROVALS. IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF A FEDERAL AGENCY WANTED TO CONSTRUCT A FACILITY HERE, WHICH ICE HAS DONE IN A COUPLE OF MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY. IT IS NOT THE CASE HERE AGAIN WHERE LEASING FROM A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT WE CANNOT CONTROL. SO THAT'S -- THAT REALLY IS A SUMMARY.

THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO IT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AS WELL.

UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD. >> THANKS, SERGEI.

I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT EVEN IF THERE WERE REGULATIONS THAT ALLOWED YOU TO REGULATE PO POLICE -- I APOLOGIZE. EVEN IF THERE WERE REGULATIONS THAT ALLOWED THE CITY TO REGULATE SOMETHING LIKE A LEASE, THERE'S A PRIMACY CLAUSE IN THE CONSTITUTION AND WITH IT IT'S CALLED THE DOCTORAL IMMUNITY THAT FORBIDS -- SO ANY ACTION YOU TOOK WOULD LIKELY BE ILLEGAL UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. AND IF THAT WERE ENOUGH, THE INDIANA GENERAL ASSEMBLY JUST PA PASSED A BILL THIS PAST SESSION WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO OPERATE WITH ICE IN ALL ASPECT AND THAT INCLUDES DETENTION, SHARING OF INFORMATION, AND ACTUALLY IMPOSES CIVIL PENALTIES ON CITIES OR TOWNS THAT REFUSE TO COP RATE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE CITY'S HANDS ARE TIED AS IS DEALS WITH ICE

ENTERING INTO THIS LEASE AGREEMENT. >> THANK YOU.

NOW I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT FOR MANY IN THIS ROOM, HEARING WHAT THE CITY CAN AND CANNOT DO DOES NOT EASE ANY CONCERNS AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. THOSE CONCERNS ARE REAL AND THEY MATTER. OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS IN OUR CONTROL AND HOW WE COMMUNICATE CLEARLY AND SUPPORT MEMBERS AND HOW WE RESPOND THOWLTHFULLY TO QUESTIONS AND IDEAS YOU BRING FORWARD TONIGHT.

SO AS YOU START COMING UP, THERE ARE RULES AND THESE RULES HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR DECADES.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT SUBMITTED A BLUE CARD I'M READING IT DIRECTLY SO I DON'T MISS STEPS, THOSE WHO HAVE SUBMITTED A BLUE CARD TO SPEAK DURING THIS PART OF THE AGENDA SHALL GO TO THE PODIUM TO COMMENT AFTER YOUR NAME IS CALLED. I WILL ALSO MENTION WHO'S ON DECK SO YOU CAN BE READY. WE WILL NOT BE ENTERING INTO DIALOGUE AT THIS TIME.

THE PURPOSE IS OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS FOR YOU, THE PUBLIC TO INFORM US, THE COUNCIL ABOUT YOUR VIEWS. ALL COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.

THE LIGHT BY THE PODIUM WILL START GREEN AND THEN IT WILL GO YELLOW WITH 30 SECONDS LEFT AND TURN RED WHEN TIME IS UP. AT THAT TIME I WOULD ASK YOU PLEASE JUST FINISH YOUR SENTENCE. NOBODY WANTS THE AWKWARDNESS OF ME TRYING TO INTERJECT.

ANY FORMS OF DEMONSTRATION, SIGNS, CLAPPING CHEERING ARE NOT ALLOWED AND FAILING TO COMPLY MAY RESULT IN YOU BEING ASKED TO LEAVE. THIS IS STEMMED PURELY IN THE DECORUM AND THIS IS A PLACE OF BUSINESS THAT SHOULD FEEL COMFORT FOR ALL.

WITH THAT SAID WE DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL SPEAKING ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM NOT RELATED TO ICE AND THAT IS A MR. JOHN CHIPMAN, THE FLOOR IS YOURS, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

MUCH APPRECIATED. WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU VIA EMAIL.

UP NEXT, MS. SHARON BOWLER. THANK YOU, I APOLOGIZE. AND NEXT UP, GOOD FRIEND JOEY

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BASSOU. YOU'RE ON DECK, SIR. >> GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME AS COUNCILMAN SNYDER SAID IS SHARON BOWLER. I AM THE HEAD OF A LOCAL NONPROFIT HERE CALLED FROM STANGERS TO NEIGHBOURS. WE SERVE THE REFUGEE POPULATION WHO RESETTLES HERE LEGAL LY UNTL LAST YEAR THAT PROGRAM EXISTED THROUGH THE UNITED STATES CUSTOMS AND IMMIGRATION SERVICE UNTIL IT WAS SHUTTERED BY THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION BUT WE STILL SERVE REFUGEE WHO IS ARE HERE. TODAY WHEN I CHECKED MY EMAIL I HAD MY WEEKLY NEWS LETTER FROM THE CITY OF CARMEL. IT WAS PROMOTING ITS SECOND ANNUAL ED AL-AHA FESTIVAL WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT HOLIDAY FOR THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT BECAUSE I SERVE A LOT OF MUSLIM FAMILIES AND I WAS DELIGHTED TO SEE THIS FESTIVAL BEING HOSTED. I WAS NOT AWARE IT HAPPENED LAST YEAR AND I WAS DELIGHTED TO SEE IT AND I ALREADY HAVE THE UPCOMING JAPAN SPRING FEST ON MY CALENDER AND I ALSO HAVE THE HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE EVENT ON MY CALENDER FOR THIS FRIDAY. I MOVED HERE THREE YEARS AGO AND IT WAS A BREATH OF FRESH AIR TO COME HERE AND SEE THE VALUE PLACED UPON IMMIGRANT RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE. EVIDENCE EXISTED EVERYWHERE THAT IMMIGRANTS ARE VALUED HERE.

AND WHILE I APPRECIATE THE RECENT EFFORTS OF THE CITY TO PROVIDE AN FAQ ON THE ICE OFFICE THAT IS HERE, I FEEL LIKE THAT RESPONSE -- ALL THOSE RESPONSES FALL SHORT FOR ME AND PERHAPS IT'S BECAUSE OF THE WORK I DO. AND MY DAILY INTERACTIONS WITH THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY.

TO ME THEY DON'T SHOW A CITY THAT FULLY EMBRACES IMMIGRANTS, SO MUCH AS RIGHT NOW IN THIS MOMENT AS ONE THAT PERHAPS IS TRYING TO AVOID A CONFLICT WITH POWER.

FOR ME, A CITY COMMITTED TO EMBRACING IMMIGRANTS AND PROTECTING ITS IMMIGRANT RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS WOULD ISSUE A FORMAL STATEMENT, AND I RECOGNIZE LEGALLY YOU CANNOT REMOVE ICE. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO THAT. I AM ASKING YOU, AS A GOVERNMENT AND AS A COUNCIL, TO ISSUE A FORMAL STATEMENT LETTING ICE KNOW THEY AREN'T WELCOME IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE. I WORK WITH REFUGEES WHO COME TRAVEL BAN BY THE UNITED STATES CUSTOM AND IMMIGRATION SERVICE. THAT IS 75 COUNTRIES.

ALL OF WHOM HAVE BLACK AND BROWN POPULATIONS. THESE ARE NOT CRIMINALS.

THEY CAME HERE LEGALLY. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE YET GREEN CARDS MANY OF THEM AND THEY ARE FINDING THAT THE PATHWAY TO EVE EVENTUAL CITIZENSHIP IS CUT.

SO A STATEMENT FROM CARMEL SAYING, WE DON'T WANT ICE HERE, WE DON'T SUPPORT THE POLICIES AND ACTIONS OF ICE, WE DON'T FEEL THAT CREATES A COMMUNITY THAT WELCOMES IMMIGRANTS, WOULD BE A POWERFUL ONE. SOY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER DOING THAT IN A FORMAL WAY TO LET THE

IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE HERE KNOW THAT CARMEL CARES. >> THANK YOU, MS. BOWLER.

JOEY, MR. BASSOU RATHER. >> HI, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. QUICK DISCLAIMER, VIEWS ON MY ONE AND NOT MY EMPLOYER OR ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION. I'M JUST HERE SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT OF CARMEL. FIRST I WANT TO THANK THOSE ON THE CITY COUNCIL THAT MADE AN APPEARANCE AT THE MARCH 30TH TOWN HALL ON THE ICE OFFICE IN CARMEL.

YOUR PRESENCE SENT AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE THAT YOU'RE LISTENING TO RESIDENT'S CONCERNS.

THE TURN OUT IN THAT ROOM AND ALSO THE TURN OUT IN THIS ROOM REFLECT WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING SINCE I SPOKE AT THE HEARING ON FEBRUARY 16TH, CARMEL RESIDENTS ARE DEEPLY TROUBLED BY AN ICE OFFICE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WILL PROTECT THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. I'D LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO DIRECT THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MONITOR ICE OPERATIONS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH CONSTITUTIONAL STANDARDS AND ADHERENCE TO THEIR STATED QUOTE ADMINISTRATIVE ONLY SCOPE. WE HAVE FAITH THAT THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO TO ENSURE OUR SAFETY, CALM AND PROTECTION,

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LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

MS. STEPHANIE STUART. UP NEXT WILL BE MS. SARA DRAPER. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

AS A PERSON WHO HAS LIVED HERE SINCE 2012 ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABILITY CARMEL IS DIVERSITY. I HAVE FRIENDS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, FRANCE, ENGLAND, SPAIN, INDIA, CHINA, ARGENTINA, COLUMBIA, CHILLE AND THEY WORK AT IU, AT THE HOSPITAL, THEY ARE PROFESSORS, THEY ARE ENGINEERS, THEY ARE RESPECTED PROFESSIONALS AND MANY OF THEM ARE BROWN.

AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON THE NEWS REPEATEDLY IS THE FACT THAT THE ICE AGENTS ARE VERY DISR DISRESPECTFUL OF ANYONE WHO IS BROWN AND THEY ARE RACIALLY PROFILING HERE AND THERE IS ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZER I VERY MUCH AGREE WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION 100% AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE WALKING AROUND POINTING GUNS AT CITIZENS AND CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE DETAINED AND THIS IS RIDICULOUS, APPALLING AND DIS-GUSING. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN MIN LAP MINNEAPOLIS. AND YOU JUST MENTIONED HOW SAFE IT IS IN CARMEL, SO WHY DO WE NEED ICE HERE, EXCEPT IT'S A BLUE COUNTRY AND THIS GIN ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN TARGETING PROGRESSIVE BLUE CITIES AND IT'S UNACCEPTABLE AND IT SHOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

AND I AM NOT OKAY WITH IT. I AM VERY PROUD THAT MY CHILDREN HAVE GROWN UP BOTH WORN FROM AN IU NORTH AND THEY ARE COLOR BLIND AND THEY LOVE ALL THEIR FRIENDS WHETHER THEY BE WHITE, BROWN ORIOLE. AND -- YELLOW. AS THE RABBI STATED WE SHOULD CARE AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN AND WHY IS ICE HERE.

TO CHASE A LAWN WORKER, A MAID, I ALREADY SEE CARMEL POLICE PROFILING PEOPLE THAT ARE BROWN WITH DENTED CAR AND RUST AND I SEE THEM PULLED OVER ALL THE TIME AND THERE NEEDS TO BE AN EXAMPLE MADE OF ANY ICE OFFICERS THAT PROFILE AND ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZER, NO, ABSOLUTELY NO.

IT CAN'T BE ACCEPTED AND THERE WOULD BE A FORMAL STATEMENT ACCO

ACCORDINGLY. >> THANK YOU MS. STEWART. NEXT IS MS. DRAPER.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SQUARA DRAPER AND I'A 19 YEAR RESIDENT OF CARMEL AND AS YOU SEE IMMEDIATELY I'M AN IMMIGRANT. IT'S BEEN A -- FOR 26 YEARS AND PROUD NATURALIZED U.S. CITIZEN SINCE 2013. DID YOU KNOW THAT 13% OF CARMEL RESIDENTS LIKE ME ARE FOREIGN-BORN? THAT'S MORE THAN 1 IN 8 PEOPLE IN OUR CITY. TWO OF OUR COUNCILLORS HAVE FOREIGN-BORN SPOUSES.

IT'S EVERYWHERE IN CARMEL. THIS DIVERSE CITY WHICH CONTINUES TO CELEBRATE THE MANY VIBRANT CULTURES OF THE PEOPLE WHO TALKED ABOUT JAPAN SPRING FEST IS FANTASTIC.

BUT LEASE THESE OUTWARD DISPLAYS OF RESPECT TO THE CULTURES HERE ARE LETHAL.

IT'S THE LEADERS THAT DON'T STAND UP FOR THEM IN DIFFICULT TIMES.

HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ATTENDED THE ICE NO ICE TON HALL. AND I'M THANK YOU FOR DR. JOSHI FOR HER SPEECH AND TO THE OTHER COUNCILLORS WHO SHOWED UP, THE TWO OF THEM AND THE COUNCIL WHO SENT A STATEMENT BUT I HAVE TO SAY, I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT I DID NOT SEE ALL OF YOU THERE.

IT'S RARE YOU'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM CONSTITUENTS LIKE THIS AND RAREST STILL ON SUCH A HOT BUTTON ISSUE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVEN AS A LEGAL IMMIGRANT WHO FOLLOWED ALL THE RULES, I'M SCARED. I HAVE THE UPDATE UPMOST FAITH, AND DANGEROUS TOO, APPARENTLY. I HAVE THE UP MOST FAITH IN OUR UPSTANDING POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I'M THE BOARD SECONDARY FOR THE POLICE ALLIANCE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CANNOT PROTECT US FROM MASKED FEDERAL AGENTS INTENT ON TRAMPLING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ESPECIALLY AFTER THE PASSAGE OF BILL 76. I'VE SEEN U.S. CITIES STANDING UP FOR CITIZENS KILLED IN THE STREET BY ROGUE AGENTS. THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DECLARED OPEN SEASON ON IMMIGRANTS AND WE ALL KNOW IT. I HAVE IMMENSE PRIVILEGE. I'M WHITE, I'M A NATIVE ENGLISH

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I SAW AN UNMARKED VAN WITH GOVERNMENT PLATES PARKED BY MY CAR THE OTHER DAY AND MY INSTANT THOUGHT WAS ICE WERE HERE FOR ME. THINK OF THOSE MANY PEOPLE WITHOUT MY PRIVILEGE AND HOW SCARED THEY ARE. IT'S EASY TO SAY THAT ONLY MEN IN POLO SHIRTS WILL BE IN THE ICE OFFICE. FOR ALL OF US WHO FEEL AT RISK EVEN THOSE LIKE ME WHO IMMIGRANTED LEGALLY, ICE IS ICE. A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER WHICH PROVOKES HERE IN ALL IMMIGRANTS. OTHER CITIES HAVE PASSED COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS STATING THEIR OPPOSITION TO ICE'S PRESENCE. WE HAVE A LIST OF FAQS ON THE CITY WEBSITE.

IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH. WILL YOU PLEASE STAND UP FOR THE MORE THAN 1 IN 8 OF US WHO ARE IMMIGRANTS AND PASS A RESOLUTION STATED YOU WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY ATTACKS ON CARMEL RESIDENT'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND INSIST THAT ANY ICE ACTIVITIES ARE

ILLEGAL AND OFFER DUE PROCESS. MAKE US FEEL SAFE AGAIN. >> THANK YOU, MS. DRAPER.

ON DECK IS MR. HENRY WINKLER. >> I ALSO ATTENDED THE TOWN HALL MEETING ABOUT ICE OPENING AN OFFICE IN THE COMMUNITY. I WROTE MAYOR FINKAM AND COUNCIL MEMBER AYERS, I FEEL UNTIL ICE IS REFORMED AND NOT ROOTED IN BRINGING FEAR INTO A COMMUNITY, THEIR PRESENCE CONCERNS ME.

OUR TAX MONEY PAYS THEIR SALARIES AND WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT THEY ARE WORKING ON TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEIR WORK IS OF ANY VALUE. I HEARD BACK FROM MAYOR FINKAM, HER INITIAL RESPONSE STATED ELECTED LEADERS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL AND INFLUENCE HOW TO ICE LOCATION SITUATION DEVELOPED. WE HEARD THAT AGAIN TONIGHT BY OUR LEGAL COUNSEL. MAYOR FINKAL RIGHTFULLY ACKNOWLEDGED SHE KNOWS THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR BUT FOCUS ON THINGS WHERE SHE CAN HAVE AN IMPACT AND ICE LOCATION OFFICE IS NOT ONE OF THEM. I CONTINUED MY EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH THE MAYOR BY ASKING A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, SHE RESPONDED TO EACH ONE AGAIN STATING SHE AND THE CITY HAD LIMITED JURISDICTION OVER HAVING ICE RENT SPACE IN A CARMEL OFFICE BUILDING.

SINCE THEN, THE MAYOR HAS POSTED A LIST OF QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON THE WEBSITE AND I ASK THAT WE CONTINUE TO SEND QUESTIONS IN TO CONTINUE TO GET ANSWERS. THE ICE OFFICE IS FOR ATTORNEYS.

I GUESS I QUESTION WHY THEY CHOSE TO LOCATE IN CARMEL INDIANA.

IF THEY ARE HANDLING LAWSUITS OR APPEAL FROM UNDOCUMENTED INDIVIDUALS WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO BE IN WASHINGTON DECEMBER OR ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER TO HELP EX-ME DATE APPEALS. I WAS ASSURED OUR CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL NOT DETAIN INDIVIDUALS FOR IMMIGRATION ISSUES AND MAYOR FINKAM SAID THAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE TOP PRIORITY AND WE HAVE INCREDIBLY WELL TRAINED AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICERS IN CARMEL WHO HAVE A HEAVY FOLKS ON DEESCALATION AND PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS. MY LAST QUESTION TO THE MAYOR WAS HOW WILL WE KNOW THESE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES WILL NOT MORPH INTO ICE AGENTS REEKING HAVOC ON OUR COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBOURING COMMUNITIES. WE HAVE ASK IF OFFICE PERSONAL WERE TO CHANGE SUBSTANTIALLY THAT WE BE INFORMED. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO PUT IN WRITING AND TO HAVE THEM MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A COPY OF THAT.

I DO HOPE WE TAKE A CLEAR STAND AS A COMMUNITY AGAINST ANY FORM OF AUTHORITARIAN PRACTICES THAT DISREGARD INPUT FROM OUR ELECTED LEADERS BASED ON WHAT WE AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS WANT AND THAT OUR ELECTED LEADERS KEEP COMMUNICATION LINES OPEN WITH THE ICE OFFICE AND KEEP US UPDATED REGULARLY. THESE AGENTS ARE SUPPOSEDLY LAWYERS AND THE MAYOR SAID THEY WILL BE DRESSED IN SUITS OR POLO SHIRTS. I JUST HOPE WE DON'T SEE THEM CHANGE FROM THEIR POLOS AND SUITS INTO MILITARY GEAR. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MR. WINKLER ON DECK IS MS. LINDA BAILEY ZIMMERMAN.

>> MY NAME IS HENRY WINKLER. I'M A RESIDENT AT 411 JENNY LANE CARMEL INDIANA, PRESIDENT OF THE CENTRAL CARMEL PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION. I'M HERE TO TALK AND TRY TO CONVINCE YOU TO REJECT ICE'S PRESENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S A COURROSIVE UGLY PRESENCE THAT DOESN'T DESERVE THE GOOD GRACES OF CARMEL.

TO CAPITAL ICE WE SPEAK IN THIS WAY WHERE ICE IS THERE EXISTS P DUE PROCESS, INCARCERATION OF

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WHY WOULD WE WANT SUCH A PAINFUL IMMORAL DISRUPTIVE ORGANIZATION IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S BEEN SAID IT'S ONLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE BRANCH BUT THAT'S WHAT THE HELL ADMINISTRATIVE BRANCHES DO, THEY ENABLE THESE KINDS OF ABUSES. THERE'S NO WAY FOR A CIVILIZED COMMUNITY TO REACT TO ALLOW SUCH AN IMMORAL ROGUE ORGANIZATION INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE DEPEND ON YOU, OUR CITY ADMINISTRATORS, TO PROTECT US FROM THE ABUSES OF ICE.

LET'S UNDERSTAND, PEOPLE ON THE MOVE, MIGRANTS, MOVE -- HAVE A GOD GIVEN MORAL RIGHT TO A SAFE, SAFETY AND A LIFE OF PEACE FROM TERRIBLE CONDITIONS OF MURDER, TORTURE AND ABUSE OF ALL KINDS AND WE DON'T EXPECT THEM TO SEEK THIS PEACE AND COMMUNITY AND FIND THE SAME KIND OF TREATMENT HERE. THIS IS AN IN AALIENABLE IMMORA RIGHT.

YES, THE COUNTRY HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT ITS BORDERS FROM CRIMINAL ELEMENTS.

WE WOULD NEED ICE -- WE WOULDN'T NEED ICE -- IF ICE IS NECESSARY IF CONGRESS WOULD DO ITS JOB.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THIS, THE REQUEST IS FOR SOME 130 BILLION IN APPROPRIATION TO FUND ICE. THIS BLOATED AMOUNT WOULD CREATE A PERSONAL POLICE FORCE ACCOUNTABLE TO ONE PERSON AS A LAW ABIDING PEACE LOVING COMMUNITY LET US SET AN EXAMPLE TO THE STATE AND NATION BY REJECTING ICE IN ANY FORM IN CARMEL, WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. WINKLER. MS. ZIMMERMAN. UP NEXT WILL BE MR. ROB BROWN.

>> HI. I REALLY HATE SPEAKING PUBLICLY. MY NAME IS LINDA BAILEY ZIMMERMAN AND I LIVE ON SPRUCE DRIVE IN CARMEL INDIANA AND THERE'S ONE POINT THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD RAISED AT ALL ABOUT ICE IN CARMEL OR ICE ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND THAT -- AND IT WAS SO POIGNANT TONIGHT TO SEE THE INDUCTION OF THE NEW POLICE OFF OFFICERS. MY POINT IS, I THINK IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO OUR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE TO WORK IN TANDEM AND SIDE BY SIDE WITH ICE.

ICE IS NOT TRAINED AS EXTENEXTENSIVE LY AS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE IN ANY FACTION NOT JUST IN DEESCALATION BUT IN PROCEDURAL AND IN FOLLOWING THE U.S.

CONSTITUTION. I FIND IT JUST ABHORRENT THESE MEN AND WOMEN ARE -- THEIR LIVES ARE ON THE LINE EVERYDA AND THEY ARE NOW HAVING TO DEAL WITH WORKING SIDE BY SIDE WITH ICE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT I'M VERY SORRY THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AND I

AM OPPOSED TO ICE IN CARMEL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. ZIMMERMAN.

MR. ROB BROWN. UP NEXT, MS. MOTRA. >> DO I NEED TO PUSH A BUTTON OR IS IT ON. OKAY. WELL I THINK AFTER WHAT I'VE HEARD I UNDERSTAND MY COMMENTS ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO AS WELCOMED BY SOME HERE BUT I DO RESPECT THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AND MAY BE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIND COMMON GROUND AMONG US. LOOKING AT ME, YOU WOULD SAY WHAT DOES THAT GUY KNOW ABOUT IMMIGRATION. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CARMEL AND HE'S NOT HAD TO DEAL WITH HIS BUT I WAS RAISED BY IMMIGRANT AND I'M CURRENTLY MARRIED TO ONE SO I'VE EXPERIENCED AND BEEN AROUND PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS COUNTRY AND GIVEN UP EVERYTHING TO BE HERE SO I APPRECIATE THOSE WHO DO WANT TO DO THAT AND UNDERSTAND THE SACRIFICES REQUIRED. BACK WHEN MY MOM IMMIGRATED TO THIS COUNTRY THEY HAD TO HAVE A SPONSOR AND A JOB LINED UP BEFORE THEY CAME TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD BE SELF SUFFICIENT. THEY ALSO HAD TO FORCE -- AND SWEAR ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES AND I KNOW THAT'S CHANGED NOW.

TIMES HAVE CHANGED BUT NEEDLESS TO SAY HER FAMILY, AND MY WIFE'S FAMILY ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ICE AND I TAKE MY OPINION BASED ON WHAT THEY SAY ON THAT. BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH IT.

YOU WOULD NEVER MEET MORE SUPPORTIVE PEOPLE OF ICE THAN MY WIFE AND MY MOM'S FAMILIES BUT

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FOLKS SHOULD BE FOLLOWING RULES AND IF THEY'VE OBEYED OUR LAWS, THERE'S NOTHING TO FEAR.

NOW I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT WHY ARE WE SO FEARFUL OF ICE IN THE FIRST PLACE? THESE ARE MEN AND WOMEN WHO BRAVELY SIGNED UP TO MAINTAIN THE LAWS OF OUR COUNTRY AND DESERVE OUR RESPECT AND AD MERATION. THEY ARE NOT HERE TO BREAK OUR LAWS BUT TO ENFORCE THEM. IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT ICE MIGHT GO AROUND ASKING FOR PEOPLE'S PAPERS. I DON'T SEE ANY BASIS FOR THIS FEAR BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT A PERSON MAY BE ASKED TO PROVE THEIR LEGAL STATUS, SO WHAT IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. WE JUST LIVE IN REALITY. ICE OFFICERS ARE NOT MONSTERS.

THEY ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME. THEY PUT THEIR PANTS ON ONE LEG AT A TIME, THEY HAVE MOMS AND DADS WHO LOVE THEM AND THEY COME HOME TO HUSBANDS AND WIVES AND EAT DINNER AND THEY HAVE KIDS WHO CAN'T WAIT FOR THEM TO COME HOME AND PLAY CATCH IN THE BACKYARD.

ICE AGENTS ARE PEOPLE TOO. THEY HAVE HOBBIES AND DREAMS LIKE THE REST OF US AND I WOULD INVITE YOU TO RECALL THE HUMANITIES OF THESE FOLKS AND REMEMBER THEY ARE JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING A JOB THAT NEEDS DONE AND THAT THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY COIN.

I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T TAKE JOBS TO DO HARM.

MOST PEOPLE. THEY ARE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT FIND THEIR WAY ONTO THE TV. NOW THEY DO THEIR JOBS AND THEY DO THEM WELL AND WE NEVER HEAR ABOUT IT. THEY ARE NOT OUT SHAKING PEOPLE DOWN IN EVERY CITY IN WHICH THEY RESIDE. AND EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BREAK THE RULES. SO I WOULD ASK IN CONCLUSION, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN AND UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS THAT ARE ILLEGAL ARE ILLEGAL.

WHEN IS IT RIGHT TO COMMIT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF ROBBY AND A LITTLE BIT OF ARSON.

IN THIS CASE IF SOMETHING IS ILLEGAL THERE ARE OFFICERS FOR THAT AND THESE ICE OFFICERS IN OUR COMMUNITY WOULD BE NO SERVE THAN THE ONES WHO SERVE US THAT WERE SWORN IN TODAY.

>> THANK YOU MR. BROWN.

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MIKA MORA AND I'M 16 YEARS OLD IF I RECALL I SPOKE ABOUT THE SAME GRIIMMIGRATION TC AND GLAD TO BE BACK. I WANT TO START BY SHARING SOMETHING HONESTLY. AS I'VE FOLLOWED THIS ISSUE I FOUND MYSELF WISHING FOR LESS HELPLESSNESS AND MORE ASSE ASSERTIVENESS FROM OUR CITY LEADERSHIP.

I SAY IT THAT WITH RESPECT I KNOW THESE DECISIONS MAY BE COMPLICATED I UNDERSTAND YOU MAY FEEL LIMITED OF WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF AN ICE OFFICE OPENING HERE BUT EVEN WHEN OPTIONS ARE LIMITED, YOUR VOICES AND OPINIONS STILL MATTER.

THE WAY YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC SHAPES HOW PEOPLE FEEL WHETHER THEY FEEL INFORMED, INCLUDED, AND SUPPORTED. AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING, SPEAKING UP ON THIS ISSUE SHOULD NOT BE REDUCED TO POLITICAL LABELS. THIS DOES NOT MAKE YOU EXTREME.

AND IT DOES NOT DEFINE YOU AS ONE IDEOLOGY OR ANOTHER. AS ITS CORE IT'S ABOUT VALUES.

RESPECT FOR DUE PROCESS, A STANCE AGAINST RACIAL PROFILING AND UNMISTAKABLE SUPPORT FOR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE WHOSE FEET TOUCH THE SOIL OF WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH. MY OWN FAMILY REFLECTS THAT. MY FATHER WAS A MEXICAN IMMIGRANT AND HE IS NOW A CITIZEN. MY MOTHER WAS BORN IN NEW ZEALAND AND HAS DUAL CITIZENSHIP WITH THE NETHERLANDS AND THE UNITED STATES.

WE COULD HAVE CHOSEN TO LIVE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. BUT WE CHOSE CARMEL.

AND WE'RE NOT ALONE. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF INTERNATIONAL FAMILIES WHO CHOSE TO BUILD THEIR LIVES AND PUT DOWN ROOTS HERE BECAUSE THIS CITY IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT OPPORTUNITY, SAFETY, AND BELONGING. THAT'S WHY THIS MATTERS.

BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE FEEL UNCERTAIN ABOUT HOW THEY MIGHT BE TREATED BECAUSE OF HOW THEY LOOK OR WHERE THEY COME FROM, IT CAN CHANGE THEIR SENSE OF HOME. WHEN YOU GO HOME TONIGHT, LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND ASK OURSELVES ONE THING. WHY DID YOU CHOOSE PUBLIC SERVICE? AND WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY DO YOU HOPE TO CREATE? I'M HERE BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY. IF THIS OFFICE OPENS AND THERE IS ANY HARASSMENT OF ANY SORT AGAINST ANY MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY, IT WILL REFLECT THE LEGACY OF HOW THIS ISSUE WAS VOICED HERE. ADDITIONALLY, I'M HERE TO REMIND

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ALL WE ASK IS YOU DIG DEEP AND FIND THE COURAGE TO CONTINUE TO HELP MAKE IT A PLACE WHERE

EVERYONE FEELS LIKE THEY BELONG. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU MS. MORA.

MS. LANE. >> MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MY NAME IS LORENA LANE AND I'M A MEXICAN IMMIGRANT AND A 20 YEAR RESIDENT OF CARMEL. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. I COME BEFORE YOU BOTH AS A CONCERNED RESIDENT AND AS A SYMBOL OF THE TIMELESS CONCEPT OF LIBERTY. LIBERTY IS AN IDEAL THAT HAS GUIDED THIS NATION FOR GENERATIONS THAT DIGNITY, SAFETY AND FREEDOM BELONG TO ALL.

THIS IDEAL OF LIBERTY LIVES OR FADES WITHIN COMMUNITIES LIKE OURS.

AND THAT IS WHY I AM HERE. IN RECENT MONTHS, A NEW FEDERAL PRESENCE AS WE ALL KNOW HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED IN CARMEL. WITH IT, THERE HAS BEEN A SUBTLE BUT MEANINGFUL SHIFT IN HOW SOME RESIDENTS EXPERIENCE DAILY LIFE. A QUIET UNEASE, A GROWING SENSE OF FEAR, AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER AN IMAGE, ANY INSTITUTION CASTS A SHADOW AND THE SHADOW IS LONG.

IT STRETCHES ACROSS OUR NEIGHBOURHOODS, ACROSS OUR SCHOOLS, ACROSS OUR ORDINARY DAILY MOMENTS SHAPING HOW PEOPLE MOVE, HOW THEY SPEAK AND WHETHER THEY FEEL SAFE IN A PLACE THEY CALL HOME. WE KNOW THIS IS NOT THEORETICAL. IT IS REALITY.

IN MINNESOTA DURING A FEDERAL IMMIGRATION OPERATION A 37-YEAR-OLD AMERICAN WOMAN, A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY LOST HER LIFE WITH AN ENCOUNTER WITH AN ICE AGENT.

I ASK YOU RESPECTFULLY TO IMAGINE THAT MOMENT HERE, A WOMAN, IN CARMEL, A NEIGHBOUR, A PARENT, NOT AS A POINT OFFY LEFT ARM BUT RESPONSIBILITY FEDERAL PRESENCE IS INTO THE ABSTRACT AND HAS REAL CONSEQUENCES AND HERE IN INDIANA THE USE OF THE MIAMI CORRECTIONAL FACILITY OR IMMIGRATION DETENTION HAS RAISED ONGOING CONCERNS ABOUT OVERSIGHT CONDITIONS AND THE HUMAN IMPACT OF THESE SYSTEMS WITHIN OUR STATE TAKEN TOGETHER THESE ARE NOT DISTANT ISSUES.

THEY ARE SIGNALS AND THEY ARE PART OF THE SHADOW NOW REACHING INTO THIS COMMUNITY.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT ABOUT OPPOSING FEDERAL LAW. IT'S ABOUT HOW LIBERTY IS UPHELD LOCALLY. BECAUSE LIBERTY IS PRESERVED OR WEAKENED THROUGH LOCAL DECISIONS. THROUGH THE TONE SET IN ROOMS LIKE THIS ONE, THROUGH THE TRUST BUILT BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND THOSE WHO SERVE THEM. YOU HAVE TAKEN AN APPRECIATED STEP TOWARDS BUILDING THIS TRUST THROUGH THE PUBLICATION OF THE U.S. IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOM ENFORCEMENT FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ON THE CITY OF CARMEL WEBSITE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT IMPORTANT STEP. HOWEVER, QUESTIONS REMAIN AMONG CARMEL RESIDENTS SO I OFFER THIS RESPECTFULLY AS A CALL TO ACTION.

I ASK THIS COUNCIL TO ADOPT A FORMAL STATEMENT OR RESOLUTION AFFIRMING THAT CARMEL TAKES A STAND AGAINST ICE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT CARMEL TAKES A STAND AGAINST ICE VIOLENC IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT DUE PROCESS FOR ALL IS REQUIRED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I ALSO REQUEST THIS COUNCIL ONGOINGLY PURSUE TRANSPARENCY FROM FEDERAL AGENCIES OPERATING WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION SO THAT THIS COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS HOW THOSE OPERATIONS MAY AFFECT THEM. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER THE SHADOW EXISTS. IT'S WHETHER YOU WILL ACKNOWLEDGE IT AND SHAPE HOW IT FALLS. LIBERTY HAS STOOD FOR GENERATIONS AS A PROMISE BUT THAT PROMISE ENDURING ONLY WHEN IT IS UPHELD ESPECIALLY AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

>> THANK YOU, MS. LANE. AT THIS TIME THESE ARE ALL THE BLUE CARDS WE HAVE.

WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF RECESS 'CAUSE I DOUBT MANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE REST OF THIS HEAVY AGENDA. I'M SORRY? SO WE'LL TAKE MAYBE A 5 MINUTE

RECESS IF ANYONE WANTS TO LEAVE JUST SHUFFLE OUT >>> THANK YOU FOR CARMEL

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AND THAT IS THE CARMEL HISTORIC -- OH I'M SORRY. THANK YOU.

I APOLOGIZE. IT KIND OF IS, PEOPLE WANT TO GET PAID.

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. THANK YOU, CLAIMS. PAYROLL IN THE AMOUNT OF $4, 493, 847.94, GENERAL CLAIMS, $3,245,084.71

>> PROVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

ANYONE FROM LAND USE HAVE AN UP UPDATE?

THE NEXT MEETING AS I RECALL IS A WEEK FROM WEDNESDAY. >> WE MOVED IT TO TUESDAY THE

28TH AT 6 P.M. >> TUESDAY THE 28TH AT 6 P.M. >> AND IT WILL BE HERE AND NOT AT THE LIBRARY. THANK YOU. CONGRESS ROOM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. >> CITY HALL, TUESDAY, THE 28TH,

6 P.M. >> 6 P.M. >> 6 P.M.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR TAYLOR. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SNYDER.

THE FINANCES COMMITTEE MET AND WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA ORDERNESS D-2811-26 AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE BUT THE AMENDED IN A MINUTE ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD IN

FAVOR OF FULL RECOMMENDATION OF THE COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

[11.a. Carmel Redevelopment Commission (Monthly)]

THAT WILL BE IN MAY. HE HENRY, CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT

REPORT. >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL. THE REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

CAN I HAVE A SCREEN HELD. WE'RE GOING TO DO A TWO FOR ONE TONIGHT, FIRST THE REPORT OF THE CARAMEL REDIVEMENT AUTHORITY FOR THE LAST HALF OF THE YEAR THEY DID NOT MEET.

THE SECOND IS THAT INDIANA LAW REQUIRES THAT ONCE A YEAR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION PUT TOGETHER A TIP MANAGEMENT REPORT OF ALL THEIR SPENDING FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR WHICH MEANS IT'S BEEN AUTHORIZED BY PREVIOUS VOTES AND EVERYTHNG IN THIS REPORT GETS FILED WITH THE INDIANA DEPARTMENT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCES WHICH HAS BEEN DONE AND THE LAW REQUIRES THIS BE SENT TO ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR WHICH HAS BEEN BUT BASICALLY HERE'S A REPORT IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE BUT IT BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR SPENT BY THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND WHAT IT'S SPENT ON AND EVERY DOLLAR CAPTURED BY TIFF ALLOCATION AREA IN THE CITY AND HOW THAT RELATES TO WHAT WE SPENT THE MONEY ON.

IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE THIS PREPORT, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE BUT IT'S ALSO ALL LIVE ON THE DEPARTMENT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT AND I'M

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE. >> THANK YOU.

>> NOT MUCH CONSTRUCTION HAS OCCURRED SINCE THE LAST ONE SO OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE COUNCIL

AND THE TIMING I WAS GOING TO -- THIS CONCLUDES MY REPORT. >> MUCH APPRECIATED.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. CLIMATE ACTION ADVISORY

[11.i. Climate Action Advisory Committee (Quarterly – March, June, September, December)]

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COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU. LET ME SEE IF THIS IS TRULY PLUG AND PLAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, ADMINISTRATION PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR CARMEL PARKS BUT ALSO THE CHAIR FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO REAL QUICK, OUT OF RESPECT FOR YOUR GUY'S TIME I ONLY HAVE TWO SLIDES FOR YEAH JUST A RECAP OF THIS LAST YEAR WE COMPLETED ONE OF OUR 43 ACTION ITEMS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE 3 FULLY COMPLETED ACTION ITEMS BUT AS OF LAST YEAR WE COMPLETED ANOTHER ONE. I KNOW IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT BUT OVER THE YEARS, A LOT OF THESE ACTION ITEMS TAKE A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF TIME FOR US TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE.

SOME OF THEM MAY NOT ACTUALLY EVER BE MARKED AS COMPLETE BECAUSE THEY ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO ONGOING AS POLICIES AND THINGS AND CONTINUE TO MANAGE OVER TIME.

BUT WE DID COMPLETE ONE WHICH WAS THE COMMUTER LINE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THAT WAS LUMPED INTO THE OVER ALL TRANSPORTATION STUDY THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMPLETED THIS LAST YEAR YEAR SO WE MARK THAT ONE OFF AS COMPLETE BECAUSE THAT CONCLUDED LOOKING AT THE COMMUTER LINE AND IT'S FEASIBILITY FOR CARMEL RESIDENTS BUT WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT MOSTLY WAS SOME OF THE ACTION ITEM THAT IS WE ARE MAKING SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN.

SO THIS LIST IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR YOU GUYS BUT PUBLIC EDUCATION, WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD WITH THE CITY'S MARKETING TEAM TO HAVE A WHOLE SECTION WITHIN THE NEWS LETTERS THAT ARE GOING OUT TO THE RESIDENTS THAT'S FOCUSED ON SOME OF THE CLIMATE ACTION THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING. WITH MUNICIPAL ENERGY EFFICIENCY EVALUATION I KNOW THE CITY IS STARTING TO WORK ON THIS A LITTLE BIT BUT US AS THE PARK'S DEPARTMENT WE DID A GUARANTEED ENERGY SAVINGS STUDY FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THIS LAST YEAR WAS OUR FIRST YEAR OF HAVING A FULL REPORT BACK SO IT WAS A REALLY GOOD BENCHMARK FOR SEEING HOW THAT IS WORKING.

AND THAT HOPEFULLY MAYBE THE CITY CAN HELP KIND OF IMPLEMENT SOME OF THOSE SAME STRATEGIES MOVING FORWARD ACROSS THE BOARD THERE AS WELL. THE CITY'S EV AND HYDROGEN FLEET PURCHASING RETROFIT POLICY WE'RE MAKING SOME GOOD PROGRESS ON THAT AS OF EVEN THIS LAST MONTH.

STREET DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON INCLUDING SOME LANGUAGE THAT'S BEEN TURNED OVER TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF HELP WITH HOW WE MANAGE THE OVERALL CITY FLEET PURCHASING AND TRYING TO SEE WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE FUEL SOURCES FOR SOME OF OUR CITY VEHICLES. EXPANDING OUR BICYCLEAL AND ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION AS YOU GUYS WORKED THROUGH LAST YEAR, THE MICRO MOBILITY ORDINANCE THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER, MUCH APPRECIATED ON THAT SIDE AND HELPS TO PROMOTE SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. OF THE WATER USAGE ASSESSMENT SO THE CITY UTILITIES HAVE DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB OF HAVING -- PUTTING TOGETHER A FULLY AUTOMATED AUTOMATIC WATER METRES THROUGHOUT THE CITY SO THAT RESIDENTS AND THE CITY THEMSELVES CAN HAVE REALTIME DATA LOOKING AT HOW MUCH WATER USAGE EACH INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT IS USING AT REALTIME SO IMPLEMENTING THAT HAS REALLY HELPED TO KIND OF HAVE A LOT MORE DATA ON HOW THE CITY AND RESIDENTS ARE USING WATER ACROSS THE BOARD. FOOT WASTE XCOME POSTING, THOSE ARE TWO ITEM THAT IS ARE KIND OF LINKED TOGETHER AND AGAIN, CITY UTILITIES, WASTE WATER WORKED REALLY HARD TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BRING THIS IN-HOUS TO HAVE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY. ULTIMATELY DECIDING RIGHT NOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST NOT THERE TO HANDLE IT IN-HOUSE SO THEY DID WORK REALLY HARD TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT WITH EARTH MAMA TO THEN PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO CARMEL RESIDENTS AT A DISCOUNT SO IF THEY WANT TO WORK WITH COMPOSITING THAT THEY CAN DO THAT. AND THEN FINALLY, THE COMMUNITY ROUGH LY ABOUT $10,000 WORTH OF TREES. IT WILL TAKE A WHILE FOR THOSE TO GERMINATE AND PRODUCE FOOD AND NUT BUT WORKED ON IT THROUGH A GRANT TO OBTAIN THOSE AND

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SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SO FAR.

THROUGHOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

[11.j. Finance Department Budget Update (Quarterly – April, July, October, January (for the 4th quarter of the previous year))]

>> UP NEXT IS OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT BUDGET UPDATE THIS IS A QUARTLY UPDATE AND THIS WAS REQUESTED BY THE COUNCIL TO BE GI GIVEN, I BELIEVE WITH THE ACTION OF AN EMAIL OR A FORMAL PRESENTATION. GIVEN -- YOU'RE GIVING A FORMAL PRESENTATION BUT WE'VE HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT AND THIS WILL BE POSTED ONLINE MAYBE STICK TO THE

HIGHLIGHTS IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, SIR. >> HAPPY TO DO SO.

ALL RIGHT. SO ZACH JACKSON, CFO AND COMPTROLLER CITY OF CARMEL.

I HAVE FOUR THINGS TO UPDATE YOU ON TONIGHT, FIRST OF ALL, REVENUES FOR THE FIRST QUARTER.

SORRY FOR THE FONT IS EXTREMELY SMALL BUT MAJOR TAKE AWAY FOR THE FIRST QUARTER WE HE CAN EXCEEDED OUR FORECAST AND 1.1 OF THAT WAS THE REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE KEYSTONE BRIDGE DAMAGE FROM INSURANCE AND SO HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THAT IT WOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN LESS THAN 100,000 OFF ON OUR QUARTERLY REVENUE FORECAST FOR THE GENERAL FUND. MOVING ON TO EXPENSES AND THIS IS GENERAL FUND EXPENSES, THIS IS PLANNED SPENDING VERSES ACTUAL SPENDING FOR THE FIRST QUARTER. THEY WERE 1% LESS THAN THAN PLANNED, 352,000.

MOVING ON TO NVH SPENDING THE TWO DEPARTMENTS FUNDED FROM THERE UNDER SPENT BY 3.7% OR 177,0$000 177,$0.00 FOR THE FIRST DI QUARTER.

AN ISSUE IS OUR MUNICIPAL WHEEL TAX FOR THIS YEAR. WE ORIGINALLY BELIEVED THAT WE WERE GOING TO RECEIVE 641,000 FROM THAT NEW TAX. WE NOTICED THAT REVENUES WEREN'T QUITE COMING IN AT WHAT WE EXPECTED BY MARCH 10TH. AND AFTER REACHING OUT TO OUR CONTRACTOR HAD PUT TOGETHER THE ESTIMATES THEY REALIZED THEY HAD DOUBLE COUNTED THE TRUCKS OVER 11, T,000 POUNDS IN BOTH THE SU TAX AND WILL TAX CALL INDICATIONS THAT REMINES IT'S NOW 178,000 463,000 LESS THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY PROJECTED. AFTER TALKING WITH THE STREET DEPARTMENT WE BELIEVE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO ABSORB THAT WITHIN OUR EXISTING APPROPRIATION FOR THIS YEAR FROM THE NVH. WE MAY BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL TO ASK FOR ASSISTANCE WITH A TRANSFER BUT RIGHT NOW IT APPEARS THEY CAN ABSORB IT WITHIN EXISTING APPROPRIATIONS JUST THAT THINGS HAVE BEEN COMING IN UNDERBID COMPARED TO WHAT THEY BUDGETED FOR. I'LL NOTE OUR MUNICIPAL SUR TAX, THE LARGER OF THE TWO, THE ESTIMATE OF 2.9 MILLION STILL REMAINS ACCURATE. AND LASTLY, PROJECT CORNER STONE OUR ERP IMPLEMENTATION TWO MAJOR UPDATES HERE, FIRST OF ALL WE HAVE THE IT DEPARTMENT HAS EXTENDED AN OFFER TO THEIR NEW FULL TIME EMPLOYEE THAT WILL BE THE ERP PROJECT MANAGER.

THE GENTLEMAN STARTS IN MAY AND IN TERMS OF EVALUATING OUR ERP SYSTEMS SOLUTIONS WE ARE RECOMMENDING WORKDAY AS OUR ERP SYSTEM AND THE IMPLEMENTATION PARTNER TO DO THAT IMPLEMENTATION. WE'VE DONE THIS PROCUREMENT THROUGH NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED PURCHASING COP RATTIVE WHICH ALLOWS US TO UTILIZE MASTER CONTRACTS THAT HAVE BEEN AWARDED TO OTHER PUBLIC AGENCIES. AT THIS POINT WE THINK OUR ONGOING LICENSING COST WILL BE ROUGHLY THE SAFE IF NOT LOWER THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING AND FOR THOSE NEW LICENSES AND IMPLEMENTATION COSTS ARE STILL BEING EVALUATED. WE PROBABLY HAVE TWO SCENARIOS THERE, ONE WOULD BE DO WE WANT TO PAY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION UP FRONT OR TWO, DO WE WANT TO SMOOTH IT OVER THE LIFE OF THAT CONTRACT. I'LL BE BRINGING BACK A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT FRONT AT THE MAY MEETING. WITH THAT SAID, HAPPY TO TAKE

ANY QUESTIONS. >> I JUST WANT TO GIVE A KUDOS, ONE FOR HOW YOU HANDLED THE

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I KNOW THE PROGRAM. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW WE'RE CRITICAL AT TIMES BUT WE ALSO

WANT TO GIVE PRAISE WHEN PRAISE IS DUE AND GREAT JOB HERE. >> THANK YOU.

>> DITTO WHAT HE SAID. SOUNDS DISINGENIUOUS BUT IT'S TRUE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WHEEL TAX, TO BE CLEAR, AND JUST FOR MY OWN KNOWLEDGE, THE MVH, THAT GOES TOWARDS PAVING THE LOSS WOULD COME FROM PAVING.

>> THERE IS UNDER SPEND SO FAR, PROJECTED UNDER SPEND OF ABOUT A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN THEIR PAVING BUDGET AT THE STREET DEPARTMENT IN THEIR MVH APPROPRIATION.

>> SO ANY PROJECTS THAT WE MAYBE WANTED TO SLIP IN THERE WON'T BE ABLE TO TO COVER THIS SHORT

FALL. >> PROBABLY FUTURE CONVERSATION. >> OKAY.

SOUNDS GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

>> ZACH. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT I WAS A LITTLE SHOCKED WHEN I LEARNED YOU HADN'T HIRED THEM YET BUT THEN I WAS REMINDED WHILE WE ARE A VERY SLOW AND METHODICAL COUNCIL WHEN WE'RE WRAPPING OUR HEADS AROUND NEW THINGS ONCE WE AGREE ON IT WE EXPECT TO BE DONE YESTERDAY AND YOU WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING BEING SLOW AND METHODICAL

AND THAT WAS APPRECIATED. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

[12.c. Fourth Reading of Ordinance D-2811-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 8, Article 5, Section 8-47 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsors: Councilors Taylor and Worrell. Sent to the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee. (Meeting date 4/14/26)]

>> THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR SNYDER. A GREAT PART OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE FINANCE MEECOMMITTEE MEETIN WAS IS THAT TWO NEIGHBORS, A COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND HOA PRESIDENT OF THE RESIDENCES ON AUTUMN DRIVE AND I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR WORRELL FOR ALSO REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THE STAFF HAD ACTUALLY MET AND DISCUSSED PROS AND CONS AND CONCERNS AND WAYS TO COME TO A MUTUAL AGREEMENT ON THE WAY TO ADDRESS PARKING ON AUTUMN DRIVE. SO THERE WILL NEED TO BE -- WE DID HAVE AN AMENDMENT DURING THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING AND BENJAMIN LAY CORPORATION COUNCIL DRAFTED THE LANGUAGE. SO WE'RE DISCUSSING SECTION 8-47, NO PARKING AREAS UNDER ITEM A. THE CHANGES INSTEAD OF ON BOTH SIDES OF AUTUMN DRIVE, IT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF OFFAUTUMN DRI THE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT, I APOLOGIZE I THOUGHT THIS WAS ADDED TO THE FOLDER BUT IT WAS SENDED OUT AND ASKED FOR FEEDBACK ON THE LANGUAGE OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN COMMITTEE SO THE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT WOULD BE ITEM B WHICH YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE IN YOUR EMAILS NOW, I APOLOGIZE. THE DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND THE LOCAL BUSINESS WAS IS TO ONLY HAVE PARKING -- ONLY ALLOW PARKING FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY THROUGH 7 A.M. TO 7 P.M. THAT'S WHAT THE -- THAT'S WHAT THE AGREED UPON EVERYBODY FELT COMFORTABLE WITH AND THAT WAS THE AMENDMENT ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE AND IT STATES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OFF THEOM DRIVE FROM ITS INTERSECTION FROM 3RD SOUTHWEST TO IT'S INTERSECTION FROM AFFORTON DRIVE EXCEPTED PARKING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY BETWEEN 7 A.M. AND 7 P.M. THAT PASSED OUT OF COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COUNCIL. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US TAKE ACTION ON THAT TODAY.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL LOR TAYLO. REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR COMMITTEE REALLY LOOKING INTO THIS. ESPECIALLY IN THE CLIMATE WHERE PARKING IS AN ISSUE.

RES RESIDENTS ARE AN ISSUE AND I'M REALLY THRILLED THAT BOTH

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WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THIS EVENING? >> BEFORE WE GO TO MOTION, BRAD MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TO THE PODIUM. SO I DID REACH OUT TO THE HOA PARK SIDE VILLAGE HOA AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I COULD NOT ANSWER AND SAID I WOULD CLARIFY IS THERE CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ENOUGH CLEARANCE FROM THE CAR PARKED AT AT ATHORTON S THE NEIGHBORS CAN SEE AROUND IT TO PULL OUT SAFELY. THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN.

I WASN'T SURE WHERE THE PARKING WOULD STOP. I WOULD MAYBE COMPARE IT TO THE SITUATION WHEN YOU'RE HEADING EAST LIKE ON FIRST STREET AT RANGE LINE AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO KIND OF SNEAK OUT TO SEE AND SO THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO SEE AROUND THAT VEHICLE TO THE LEFT OR TO THE EAST SO THEY CAN PULL OUT SAFELY.

THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT OTHERWISE THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

>> BRAD -- DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND THE GREEN LINE KIND OF REPRESENT THAT IS AND YOU CAN SEE IT SHY OF THE INTER INTERSECTION WE'LL PLACE THE SIGNS APPROPRIATELY TO HELP THAT NO PARKING HERE FOR THE CORNER FOR 3RD AND ATHERTON.

>> WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A MOTION? I'D MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND AS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD.

MOVE TO APPROVE?

[12.d. Resolution CC-11-17-25-03; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving an Amendment to the Carmel Comprehensive Plan to Incorporate a new Subarea Plan for the US-31 Corridor; Sponsor: Councilor Minnaar. Sent back from the Land Use and Special Studies Committee on 3/4/26 and held over at the 3/16/26 Council meeting for reintroduction on 4/20/26.]

>> I WAS SO BUSY READING I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION. THIS RESOLUTION AMENDS THE CARMEL PLANNING TO INCORPORATE NEW SUB AREA PLAN FOR THE CORRIDOR AND MAKES ASSOCIATED

REVISIONS TO THE MOBILITY AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN. >> COUNCILLOR, CAN YOU PLEASE GO

THROUGH THE TIME LINE OF COMMITTEE? >> SURE.

BACK IN THE 1950S WE STARTED THE PROCESS. I'M KIDDING.

IT WAS MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR THIS PLAN CAME BEFORE THE LAND USE COMMITTEE AND IT BECAME A WORK IN PROGRESS. I DON'T WANT TO SAY LIKE NO OTHER BUT LIKE NO OTHER WHERE THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND INPUT WAS PULLED IN AND WE TALKED TO NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS, PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE INTIR TIMELINE TO GET THE RIGHT FEEDBACK TO ENSURE WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THE PROCESS THAT REALLY GETS TO THE INTENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL. REALLY LAND USE SO THAT TIME AND PLANNED TIME COMMISSION BEFORE IT BUT TO SET A STAGE FOR HOW PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO AND LOOKING TO DEVELOP IN THIS NEW RESURGING, REDEVELOPMENT CORRIDOR WHICH IS THE MERIDIAN CORRIDOR AND TRULY HAVE TO TAKE IN ACCOUNT THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE AROUND IT.

SO REALLY THESE PLANS ARE TO HELP ENSURE THE MARKET KNOWS WHEN THEY ARE INTERACTING WITH THE CITY WHAT WE EXPECT. SO THE IDEA OF REDEVELOPING THAT CORRIDOR MATTERS A TON FOR ALL OF US TO ENSURE THAT THE ECONOMIC HEALTH AND PROSPERITY OF THE CITY MOVES FORWARD.

THAT DIDN'T MEAN WE HAD TO AT THE END OF THE DAY FORGET ABOUT AND NOT TALK ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES THAT SURROUNDED IT.

I'VE BEEN TRULY IMPRESSED, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME OUT TO BE APART OF IT, THE NUMBER OF COUNCILLORS THAT SHOWED UP TO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS TO LAND USE, THE AMOUNT OF TIME, EFFORT, AND ENERGY THAT STAFF AND LEGAL AND EVERYBODY PUT INTO IT WAS TRULY TRANSFORMATIONAL AND I THINK WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH IS SOMETHING THAT I AM PROUD OF THAT I THINK IS A TOOL THAT CAN BE USED BY US AS A COUNCIL AND THE CITY AND OTHERS AS THEY COME TO INTERACT WITH THAT PART OF OUR CITY AS THEY LOOK TO DEVELOP OR BUILD NEW THINGS.

IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT ALSO THEY HAVE TO PRESERVE. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR

[01:20:01]

TO BE A PART OF IT. >> SO WITH THE TWEAKS, WE CAN MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS TONIGHT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE ARE WE GETTING THIS THROUGH TONIGHT? I'D LIKE TO NOT HOLD UP ANY LONGER.

WOULD YOU PREFER ME TO READ THE -- >> HONESTLY WHAT DOES THIS COUNCIL PREFER. WE'VE READ THIS DOCUMENT HUNDREDS OF TIMES.

I MEAN, DO WE WANT ADRIENNE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION? DO WE WANT TO INTRODUCE THE

TWEAKS? WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT. >> I THINK JUST IF YOU DON'T MIND IF WE JUST INTRODUCE THE TWEAKS AND VOTE ON IT AFTER THAT OR ANY DISCUSSION AFTER THAT AND

THEN VOTE ON IT. >> YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

WE'VE HAD THE CHANCE TO SEE THOSE TWEAKS AND ASK QUESTIONS SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

AND I DID ASK A QUESTION AND GOT MY ANSWER. >> AND JUST ONE CLARIFYING, THERE WAS ONE FINAL TWEAK ADDED TONIGHT BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT IS IN THE EMAIL.

WE CAN PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IT ON THE RECORD HERE. AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S AMENABLE TO THE CITY AND IF IT IS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE THOSE KINDS OF REMAINING ISSUES AND MOVE IT FORWARD KNOWING FULL WELL WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET

BACK -- >> WOULD YOU GO TO SLIDE 23 PLEASE.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE THE FINAL VERSION OR THE ONE WITH ALL THE COLORS?

DOESN'T MATTER. >> SO THE SUGGESTION WAS MADE WHERE IT STARTS TO IMPLEMENT EFFECTIVE BUFFERS ADDING AND CONSIDER COMPATIBLE USES. ADDING THOSE THREE WORDS, FOUR

WORDS, EXCUSE ME. >> YES. THAT WAS UNDER THE -- THAT'S

UNDER THE TRANSITION AREA BULLET POINTS. >> ANY OBJECTION FROM DCOS.

>> NO. >> ANY OBJECTION FROM COUNCILLORS? DO WE NEED TO READ THESE LANGUAGE AMENDMENTS IN TO THE RECORD?

COUNCILOR LOCKE, COULD YOU DO THAT. >> I MOVE TO A MMEND THE PLAN WH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES. I WILL START WITH THAT ON SLIDE 23 AFTER THE WORDS IMPLEMENT EFFECTIVE BUFFERS, ADD THE FOUR WORDS INCONSIDER COMPATIBLE USES.

AT THE TOP OF SLIDE 12, AFTER THE HEADING FOCUS ON EARLY NEEDS AND OPPORTUNITIES ADD A PARENTHITICAL KNOW DATION AND PLAN FOR MORE DETAILS. ON SLIDE 15 AT THE END OF PARAGRAPH 2, ADD THE WORDS TO PRESERVE EXISTING TREES AND WOODS.

ON SLIDE 21 -- I LIED, THERE'S ONE MORE, THERE ARE FIVE. THE TOP OF SLIDE 521 UPDATE THE FORMATTING TO PUT THE FOLLOWING IN BOLD AND REMOVE THE BULLET EXCEPT IN CORRIDOR EXISTING AND AREA DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERISTICS AND COLON THAT'S WHAT IN BOLD AND THEN MAKE THE FIRST BULLET START AT THE WORD INCORPORATE AND SAY INCORPORATE DOWNTOWN WEST DEVELOPMENT DOT, DOT, DOT.

AND THEN THE FIFTH AND FINAL EDIT IS ON EXHIBIT B AT THE TOP AFTER THE TITLE RECOMMENDED UPDATE ADD PARENTHETICAL NOTATION THAT SEES SLIDES AND PLAN FOR MORE DETAILS.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> ANY FURTHER CONVERSATION ON THIS DOCUMENT? >> JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE FINAL OUTCOME. I KNOW THIS WAS A DIFFICULT

[01:25:03]

>> I NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME WHEN THINGS I DON'T THINK ARE GOING TO BE HOT BUTTON ISSUES BUT WHAT I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THERE WAS MANY COUNCILLORS WITH COMING AT IT FROM VERY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND WHEN EVERYBODY JUST FINALLY SPOKE, EVERYBODY WAS AIMING FOR THE SAME THING.

JUST COMING FROM A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND IT'S WHAT REALLY KIND OF PUSHED THIS OVER THE LINE SO THANKS TO BOTH COMMITTEES, THE FULL COUNCIL, EVERYBODY THAT CONTRIBUTED INPUT AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THE PUBLIC THAT WITH THINGS THAT WE HADN'T CONSIDERED.

WITH THAT. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> FINALLY, ALL RIGHT. AND ITEM E IS THE SAME THING ALL OVER AGAIN FOR HOME PLACE.

[12.e. Resolution CC-12-01-25-04; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving an Amendment to the Carmel Comprehensive Plan to Incorporate a New Subarea Plan for the Home Place Area; Sponsor: Councilor Minnaar. Remains in the Land Use and Special Studies Committee.]

[13.a. First Reading of Ordinance D-2812-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, authorizing and approving an additional appropriation of funds from the Parks and Recreation Non-Reverting Capital Fund (Fund #103) to line item 4462000 (Other Structure Improvements); Sponsors: Councilors Worrell & Taylor. ]

>> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND. >> THIS ORDINANCE APPROPRIATED $ $248, 679 TO COVER COSTS RELATED NORTH EXTENSION PROJECT. WAY -

IT'S GOING FROM GRANT FUND TO GENERAL FUND >> UNLESS YOU FEEL VERY

COMPELLED. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY IF THIS FEELS LIKE SOMETHING YOU ALREADY APPROVED, IT IS. THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT DLGF BASED ON NEW STATE LEGISLATION SAID THAT IT NEEDED TO BE PROOFED UNDER THE NEW RULES, NOT THE OLD RULES.

THIS IS MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED TO REIMBURSE TO FOR THE EXTENSION.

>> PLEASE HELP ME WITH PROCESS. IT'S UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT FIRST,

COUNCILLOR. >> THIS IS UNRELATED BUT COULD YOU GIVE LIKE A 30 SECOND UPDATE

FOR THE PROJECT. >> SO THE PROJECT IS QUICKLY APPROACHING A CONCLUSION WHICH WILL MAKE ALL OF US VERY HAPPY. THE TRAIL HAS BEEN PAVED. WE ARE WORKING ON SOME OF THE TOUCH-UPS TO THE SORT OF THE TRAIL HEAD AREA, LANDSCAPE WILLING NOT BE DONE IMMEDIATELY BUT THAT WILL NOT PRECLUDE US FROM BEING ABLE TO OPEN THIS EARLY PART OF MAY.

AND THE REST ROOM WILL BE THE END OF MAY BUT THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE

TO USE IT. >> VERY EXCITING. >> SINCE YOU'RE THERE, CAN YOU SAY WHY THE REST ROOM IS GOING TO BE A MONTH SO THAT NOBODY WITH YOUR STAFF IS BLAMED FOR

IT. >> ABSOLUTELY. OUR FRIENDS AT DUKE HAVE -- THEY WENT TO THE WRONG PLACE AT ONE POINT TO TRY TO DO THINGS. I THINK YOU'VE ALL HEARD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FRIENDS AT OUR PRIVATE UTILITIES AND THIS ONE FOLLOWS THAT PATTERN.

>> THANK YOU. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:37.

SEEING NO ONE APPROACHING TO SPEAK. WE WILL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC

HEARING AT 7:38. FURTHER ACTION? >> MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE

RULES AND ACT ON THIS TONIGHT. >> SECOND. >> WE WILL BE ACTING ON THIS

TONIGHT. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

[13.b. Petition to Vacate a Public Way; 805 Oswego Road; Kathleen A. Cook]

>> THANK YOU. NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, PETITION TO VACATE A PUBLIC WAY.

BECAUSE IT IS. WE'VE ALREADY DONE HALF OF IT. HOWEVER BEFORE APPROVING ONE AMENDMENT I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO THE VACATION IS A VACATION PENDING THE EXECUTION

[01:30:05]

TO THIS? >> I DO NOT. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST NORTH OF A DRIVE AND WE HAVE AN ILLUSTRATION HERE. YOU ALREADY APPROVED THE SOUTHERN PORTION IT'S ALREADY BEEN INCORPORATED RIGHT HERE. SO THIS IS TO THE NORTHERN PORTION. IT WASN'T DONE AT A TIME BECAUSE I THINK THE NEIGHBORS OF PETITIONER WERE RACING TO START BUILDING THEIR NEW HOME THERE. SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH. SO THIS IS JUST FIXING UP WHAT WASN'T DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND AGAIN THERE IS A STORM SEWER EASEMENT AGREEMENT THAT THE PETI PETITIONER AGREED TO EXECUTE FOR THE CITY BECAUSE THERE'S A STORM SEWER LINE UNDERNEATH THAT LAND.

IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT AS PRESIDENT SNYDER INDICATED THE MOTION APPROVES ENTERING INTO THE STORM EASEMENT TO THE AGREEMENT OF THE CITY AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:40. SEEING NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC APPROACHING WE WILL END THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:40 PLUS 30 SECONDS.

>> AND THE ACTUAL APPROVE COME LATER IN THE AGENDA IN THE FORM OF ORDINANCE SO I'LL BE BACK IN

JUST A LITTLE BIT. >> I'M SORRY, SO NO FURTHER ACTION TONIGHT?

>> SORRY. TO VOTE TO APPROVE AND THEN THE ORDINANCE WILL BE THE APPROVING DOCUMENT AS WELL. YOU CAN DO IT EITHER WAY. EITHER DOING ORDINANCE OR NOW.

>> ORDINANCE IS ON THE AGENDA. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

[13.c. Petition to Vacate a Public Way; 1118 S. Rangeline to 1132 S. Rangeline; Carmel Midtown Community Development Corporation]

CARPALER MID TONE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. >> HI, MR. PRESIDENT, AND REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND I CAN DISCUSS THOSE TWO NOW OR I CAN WAIT UNTIL YOU GUYS HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN COME AND SPEAK ABOUT IT WHEN THE ORDINANCE COMES BACK UP.

>> PERHAPS WE -- BECAUSE THERE'S TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS HERE LET'S KNOCK THOSE BOTH OUT.

SO WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PETITION TO VACATE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY AT 118 SOUTH RANGELINE TO 1132 SOUTH RANGE LINE NOW. 7:41.

SEEING NO ONE APPROACHING WE WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:42.

[13.d. Petition to Vacate a Public Way; West of 1132 S. Rangeline; Carmel Midtown Community Development Corporation]

SEEING NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC APPROACHING. WE WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING IN 7:42 PLUS 30 SECONDS. NEW BUSINESS. RESOLUTION C KC-04-20-26-01,

[14.a. Resolution CC-04-20-26-01; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving a Transfer of Funds between the Grant Fund (#900) and the General Fund (#101); Sponsors: Councilors Worrell, Aasen & Minnaar. ]

READ THE SYNOPSIS >> I WASN'T READING THIS TIME. I'M PREPARED.

TRANSFERS $1,112 FROM THE GRANT FUND 900 INTO THE GENERAL FUND, 101.

>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS AS COUNCILLOR MENTIONED A TRANSFER OF JUST $1,112 DONATION GRANT FROM THE CENTRAL INDIANA POLICE FOUNDATION TO BE USED FOR THE COMMUNITY CONNECT COP CARDS INITIATIVE. NOT COP CARS BUT COP CARDS, TRADING CARDS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> PRESIDENT SNYDER, WE NEED A MOTION TO INTRODUCE AND A SECOND

JUST FOR PROCEDURAL. >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. >> THANK YOU, JESSICA.

NEXT JANUARY I'LL REMEMBER THAT. IT HAS BEEN INTRODUCED FURTHER ACTION THIS EVENING?

[01:35:08]

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

[14.b. Resolution CC-04-20-26-02; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Expressing Interest in the Purchase of Certain Properties Believed to be Valued at over $25,000.00 and Associated with City Improvement Projects; Sponsors: Councilors Minnaar and Snyder.]

OUR DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERS BRAD PEACE HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB IMPLEMENTING THAT SO THERE'S NO ONE ON HERE THAT DOES NOT KNOW THE CITY IS LOOKING AT LAND AND TO BE -- AND FOR BEING THEY MAY

BE OFFERED COMPENSATION. >> YEAH, I DO WANT TO -- >> MOVE TO NEW INTRODUCE.

>> SORRY. THANKS. >> SO WE'VE INCLUDED ALL PROPERTIES WHETHER OR NOT WE REALLY KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE OVER OR UNDER 25,000 DOLLARS SO I DON'T WANT TO EXPECT THE ESTIM ESTIMATIONS.

SOME OF THEM ARE SMALL SLIVERS. THERE ARE 6 PARCELS IN TOTAL AND ONE OF THEM WE ALREADY ACQUIRED WHICH IS THE POLE WHICH HAS BEENY PROVED BUT THE REST OF THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY US AND WE'VE BE CONVERSATIONS AND YOU APPROVE THIS TONIGHT THEY WILL RECEIVE APPRAISALS AND WE'LL MOVE THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS ON ACQUIRING THEIR PROPERTY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE?

>> DIRECTOR PEACE, I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE WE WERE DEALING WITH A SIMILAR SITUATION OF LAND ACQUISITION. SO WHEN YOU DO THIS, YOU GET APPRAISAL FOR MORE THAN YOU MIGHT NEED LAND-WISE BUT THEN YOU FIND OUT OR YOU KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH LAND YOU NEED.

>> WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH LAND WE WANT TO ACQUIRE BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THE

ENTIRE PARCEL IS APPRAISED AS FAR AS THE TOTAL PARCEL. >> THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS APPRAISED BUT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO BUY THE ENTIRE PARCEL.

>> THEY APPRAISE IT IF WHAT IT IS NOW AND WE DO THE TAKE OF WHAT IT IS OFFER AND THAT'S THE

OFFER WE MAKE THE GAP BETWEEN THE TWO. >> TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT A TAKE.

IT'S A PURCHASE. AND AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, THERE MAY BE SOME HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS. BUT YOU HAVEN'T MADE AN OFFER

YET AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE YET. >> CORRECT.

>> I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INCLUDING ME IN ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AND I'D LIKE TO THANK MY FELLOW COUNCILLORS TAIL AND ARE SNYDER FOR MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON ONE OF THE CORNERS THERE AND HAVING A REALLY NICE DISCUSSION. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. I TRULY APPRECIATE THE HELP. AND THANK YOU, BRAD.

>> ALL RIGHT HTHIS HAS BEEN INTRODUCED. >> NOT YET.

THERE ARE TWO. SO 116 AND RIVER PROJECT ARE ALL THE SAME SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. THIS ONE HAS 9 POTENTIAL PROPERTIES. THERE'S ONE TOTAL TAKE. WHICH WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER FOR MAYBE 6 MONTHS AGO. THAT ONE IS A PURCHASE.

IT'S ALSO NOT A TAKE, IT'S A PURCHASE. >> ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RIVER

ROAD ROUND ABOUT? THIS HAS BEEN INTRODUCED. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> YOU BEAT ME TO IT COUNCILOR TAYLOR. SECOND.

>> OKAY. >> FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D, 2814-26 VAI CASING A PORTION OF

[14.c. First Reading of Ordinance D-2814-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Vacating a Portion of the Public Way Located within the Newark Subdivision; Sponsor: Councilor Snyder.]

[01:40:01]

AGAIN THIS IS 805 OSWEGO DRIVE, I THINK WE NEED FURTHER. >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE.

>> SECOND. >> THIS IS THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN EDUCATED ON THIS ARE THERE

FURTHER QUESTIONS? FURTHER ACTION THIS EVENING? >> MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND

ENTER INTO ACTION NOW. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

SECOND. >> WITH THE CONDITION TO EXECUTE THE STORM SEWER EASEMENT FOR THE

CITY. >> CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION, COUNCILOR MINNAAR.

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE -- SAY IT AGAIN -- THE ORDINANCE GETS PASSED IN THE EXECUTION OF STORM SEWER EASEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PETITION AND THE CITY

>> SO THE MOTION IT'S BEEN MOVED WITH THE STIPULATION -- NEED A SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> OKAY. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE

[14.d. First Reading of Ordinance D-2815-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Vacating a Portion of the Public Way; Sponsor: Councilor Snyder.]

>> MOVEMENT TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

AND THIS AND THE NEXT ORDINANCE WILL BE GOING TO COMMITTEE AND THAT HAS BEEN THE DIRECTOR HAS BEEN INFORMED OF THAT BUT WE DO WANT TO LEARN THE SURFACE LEVEL INFORMATION ABOUT IT.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT SNYDER. I HAVE WITH ME TONY, THE DEVELOPER ON THIS PROJECT SO I JUST QUICKLY WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT WOULD BE TEED UP FOR COMMITTEE. LAST YEAR THIS COUNCIL APPROVED A PROJECT CALLED PERSIMION3.

THIS WAS THE SLIDE WE WERE DISCUSSING AS PART OF THE APPROVAL.

WHEN THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED BONDS FOR THIS PROJECT, IT AUTHORIZED BONDS AT 995 TIP SPLIT WITH A CERTAIN BOND AMOUNT AND I SHARED AT THAT TIME THAT WE WERE GOING TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD AND WOULD BE BACK AT COUNCIL FOR A FINAL PIECE WHICH IS TO PUT IN THE DRIVE THAT IS IN THAT TOP CORNER IDENTIFIED AS CITY PARCEL AND I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE TOUGH TO SEE THAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING THE DRIVE INTO THE PROJECT. SINCE THEN, THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE PROJECT HAS CHANGED AND THE OFFICE PORTION OF THE PROJECT HAS GROWN SUBSTANTIALLY.

SO THE GOAL IS TO SHOW UPDATED IMAGERY OF WHAT THIS PROJECT IS AND THEN CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY THE TWO VACATIONS. SO HERE IS THE CHANGE TO THE PROJECT AND I WANTED TO HAVE THE BEFORE AND AFTER SLIDES SO THAT IT IS INCREDIBLY TRANSPARENT WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.

SO FIRST, THE OFFICE GROWTH FROM 63,000 TO 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF CORPORATE SPACE, THE RETAIL GOES AWAY OTHER THAN THE UPSAIL HOTEL IS GOING TO HAVE A RESTAURANT WHICH WILL BE RETAIL.

THERE IS NOW 154 MULTIFAMILY UNITS WITH A TOP FLOOR BEING AGE TARGETED AND I'LL SHOW THAT IN JUST A SECOND AND THE PARKING GARAGE AND PARKING SPACES HAVE BEEN RIGHT SIZED TO BE 372 SPACES IN THE GARAGE OR 40 TOTAL. PART OF THIS IS A REQUEST THAT 100% OF THE TIFF BE CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROJECT. THERE IS NOT A CHANGE TO THE BOND ORDINANCE REQUEST. IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF THE BOND.

AND FOR ANYONE WATCHING, AFTER THIS PROJECT PASSED THE STATE OF INDIANA CHANGED THEIR LAWS TO HAVE MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS PAY ABOUT 30% LESS IN TAXES. AND SO THIS PROJECT REFLECTS THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR 100% TIFF BUT THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE BOND AMOUNT.

BY THE WAY, WE DO HAVE THE PROJECT ARCHITECT HERE, STUDIO M IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS BASICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE IS STILL THE HOTEL ON THE CORNER AS BEFORE, IT'S JUST BETTER LOOKING NOW, AND THEN YOU HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING THERE ALONG RANGELINE SO YOU'RE LOOKING NORTH OF

[01:45:01]

HEE HERE'S A BETTER IMAGE OF THE OFFICE BUILDING ON RANGELINE SPECIFICALLY, AGAIN WE KNOW THAT AS SOON AS WE PUT UP AN OFFICE BUILDING IT WILL GET FILLED UP.

WE JUST NEED TO PUT UP THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS. THIS IS THE VETERANS WAYSIDE SO YOU'RE LOOKING KIND OF FROM WHERE THE JAPANESE GARDEN IS TODAY OTHER THAN IT'S NOT ALL GRASS IT LOOKS MUCH BETTER THAN THAT IN REAL LIFE BUT THIS IS JUST A RENDERING SO WHAT THIS HELPS IDENTIFY IS HOW THE STAIR TOWER REALLY FORMS THE VOCAL POINT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO FROM THE SECOND LEVEL THE PODIUM LEVEL FROM THE GARAGE LEVEL FROM THE HOTEL FROM THE APAR APARTMENT, ANYONE CAN ENTER INTO THAT PUBLIC SPACE WHICH IS THE TOWER, GO UP TO THE TOP, BUT THAT IS THE WAY THAT HELPS KIND OF DEFINE WHERE CIRCULATION AND THIS PROJECT HAPPENS. THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW LOOKING NORTH SO YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE PORTICO FROM THE UPSCALE HOTEL AND YOU CAN SEE THAT TOWER WITH THE VIEWING DECK AT THE TOP THAT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THIS IS THE CONCEPT OF A PARKING FEE USE FOR PUBLIC SPACE ON TOP OF THE PODIUM SO THOSE PUBLIC PLAZAS THERE ARE WHAT THE USE OF THE FEE WILL BE -- I DON'T KNOW WHY IT SAYS THAT, OKAY, WHICH IS PRETTY SIMILAR -- PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS SHOWN LAST YEAR.

THIS HAS BEEN MORE THOUGHT OUT, MORE WORKED OUT, COORDINATED WITH UTILITIES, COORDINATED WITH ENGINEERING. SO JUST FOR WHAT IT IS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT BASICALLY THIS IS THE SITE OF THE PROJECT THERE'S AN OPTION PARCEL THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT PARCEL AND THERE'S A CITY PARCEL SO THE TWO VOTES THAT ARE THE VACATION VOTES HERE TAKES THIS DRIVE SPLITS IN TWO, PUTS A SOUTHERN PORTION OF IT INTO THE OPTION PARCEL ALONG WITH THIS IS YOUR OTHER VOTE FOR THIS PIECE OF IT, THERE YOU CAN SEE THIS DRAWING RIGHT THERE. AND THEN THIS NORTHERN PART OF THE DRIVE WOULD JOIN THE PRIVATE OWNERS PARCEL. THIS WOULD ALL GO INTO THE PROJECT. THE ONE THING I WILL MENTION IS WE HAVE AN OPTION AGREEMENT SO ONCE THE COUNCIL VACATES THIS NORTHERN HALF OF THE CITY PARCEL BECOMES PART OF THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE WHICH IS A PRIVATE PARCEL AND IF THE PROJECT DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD, FOR 0 DOLLARS I HAVE THE MOTION TO PULL IT BACK AND MAKE IT A CRC OR CITY PARCEL AGAIN SO THAT SHOULD GIVE EVERYONE COMFORT THAT WE CAN PUT THE DEVELOPER IN A PLACE THEY CAN GO OUT AND GET THEIR CONSTRUCTION LOANS BUT AT THE SAME TIME IF THE WORLD FALLS APART, OUR VACATION OF THIS LAND DOESN'T FOREVER GIVE AWAY THE LAND. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE IT BACK IF THE PROJECT DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERVIEW.

AND TONY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS I'LL JUST PUT THIS SLIDE UP RIGHT HERE.

>> YEAH. I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO ADD. I'VE HAD MY BUSINESS HERE IN CARMEL FOR OVER 20 YEARS. ALMOST 20 YEARS. IROWN A CONDO HERE, MY SECOND HOME HERE IN CARMEL. HOW YOU GUYS CONDUCT BUSINESS TODAY -- THIS IS A SMALL EVENT COMPARED TO ICE AND PEOPLE SAVING LIVES AND THINGS BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S VERY FEW PARCELS LEFT IN CARMEL AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE VERY STRONG APPROACHES.

WE HIRED STUDIO M WHO IS A LOCAL ARCHITECT AND THEY UNDERSTAND CARMEL AND RESPECT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE TO THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION NEXT TO THIS BUILDING WAS IMPORTANT TO US. AND SO NOT HAVING AN OUT-OF-TOWN ARCHITECT WAS IMPORTANT TO US AND HIS TEAM HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB. I'M PROUD OF THIS.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR THAT THIS GOING TO COMMITTEE IS NOT BY ANY MEANS PUNITIVE AND REGARDLESS OF ANYONE'S OPINION ON THE PROJECT, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT DEVELOPER, THE CITY, LAND OWNERS, ALL HAVE A LOT VESTED IN THIS. SO I WOULD ASK BOTH LAND USE IF

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>> SO GETTING INTO THIS, I MEAN I VOLTED FOR PERSEMMIUN THREE AND THIS ISN'T THE SAME PROJECT.

I'M TRYING TO THINK IS THIS BETTER OR WORSE. THERE'S NO RETAIL WHICH WE VALUE AS A CITY PARTLY OF THE WALKABILITY WE TRY TO CREATE. SO THAT'S BEEN ELIMINATED.

THE NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY WHICH WAS A STICKING POINT WHEN IT WAS PASSED HAS BEEN INCREASED WHILE THE -- YES IT'S BEEN INCREASED. SO THE -- WITH THAT TOO I REMEMBER LAST TIME WHEN WE VOTI ON THIS WE QUESTIONED WHETHER THERE WAS ENOUGH PARKING AND NOW PARKING IS BEING DECREASED.

I LIKE HAVING MORE SPACE FOR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, I DO LKE THE TOWER.

BUT I MEAN THIS ISN'T JUST -- YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF VACATION. IF YOU CHANGE THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT WAS TIED TO THE BONDS FOR THE PROJECT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO COME BACK TO US FOR A

VOTE, CORRECT? >> IF I COULD I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS IN ORDER

IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. >> SO I WOULD HAVE HAD TO COME BACK TO US; RIGHT?

>> IF THE BOND, IF THE MAXIMUM BOND AMOUNT WAS CHANGING, I WOULD HAVE --

>> BUT THE PROJECT TIED TO THE BOND IS CHANGED WHAT WE'VE VOTED ON WHICH IS WRITTEN INTO THE BOND HAS CHANGED WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET IT AMENDED.

>> I DON'T NEED TO HAVE THE BOND ORDINANCE AMENDED BECAUSE THE BOND ORDINANCE THAT THIS COUNCIL VOTED FOR QUALIFIES TODAY. THE THING THAT DOES NEED TO HAPPEN OTHER THAN KAY VEGAS IS A CONVERSATION IN FRONT OF COUNCIL SO THAT NO ONE IS SURPRISED -- ONE OF THE CHANGES IS PREVIOUSLY THIS ONE A 95-5 TIFF SPLIT AND NOW IT'S 100%. AND SO THERE DOESN'T UNDERNEATH NEED TO BE ANOTHER VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE BUT IF THIS COUNCIL APPROVES THIS PROJECT, THE

VACATION IS KIND OF PART OF THAT. >> SO I'M CONFUSED 'CAUSE IF A PROJECT CAN CHANGE AFTER WE VOTE ON IT AND IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A VOTE THEN WHY DO WE EVEN DEBATE

THE PROJECT DETAILS. >> IF I COULD I'D LIKE TO JUST ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FROM THE BEGINNING WHICH IS THE PREVIOUS THING THAT THIS COUNCIL VOTED ON WAS THIS PARCELS WITH A HOTEL AT THE CORNER, 60,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE AND 150 TO 160 APARTMENTS, 30 TO 40 OF THEM PB SITE. REALLY WHAT CHANGES IS MOSTLY ARCHITECTURE BECAUSE NOW WHAT YOU HAVE IS AGAIN, SAME OFFICE BUILDING, JUST BIGGER. SAME HOTEL IN THE SAME EXACT SPOT AND SAME MULTIFAMILY AND ACTUALLY THE PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS 150 TO 160 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND NOW WE'RE SET AT 154. MULTIFAMILY UNITS. SO IT'S ABOUT THE SAME MULTIFAMILY UNITS AS BEFORE, SAME PARCEL. PREVIOUSLY THIS COUNCIL APPROVED THIS BOND ORDINANCE AND WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT. SO I AM RIGHT BACK IN FRONT OF YOU IN A PUBLIC MEETING DISCUSSING THE SPECIFIC CHANGES. SO THERE'S NO -- AD AT NO POINT WOULD THE CRC EVER MOVE ON SOMETHING THAT WASN'T DISCUSSED AND COUNCIL HAD NOT APPROVED AS A COUNCIL. WE PREVIOUSLY SAID WE WOULD BE BACK WITH A VACATION AND NOW WE ARE BACK AND WE ARE -- I MEAN, SPECIFICALLY REFERENCING EVERY SINGLE CHANGE THAT HAPPENED.

SO YOUR VOTE FOR THE KAY VACATION IS SERIESSENTIALLY APPL OF THE SLILGHT CHANGES FROM LAS

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AREN'T TRUE WHEN IT'S GOING TO CONSTRUCTION. >> CAN YOU HAVE BOND COUNCIL

FORWARD US A MEMO STATING ALL OF THAT. >> YES.

>> COUPLE OF THINGS, UNDERSTANDING THE SA1, I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT, BUT ONE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT THERE IS A CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS SECURED FROM THIS SITE ALSO BEING VERY INTERESTED IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THIS MUCH INSENSITIVE IN THE PROJECT WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE COMING FROM. SOMETIMES WE SEE -- AND IF THIS -- IF THEY ARE MOVING FROM ANOTHER COMMUNITY OR IF THEY ARE COMING FROM OUR COMMUNITY AND IT'S REQUIRED TO RETAIN THE COMPANY AND THE COMMUNITY SINCE WE'RE CONTRIBUTING ALL OF THE INCREMENTS TO THIS PROJECT. I'D BE WILLING TO SIGN OR I'M SURE MEMBERS WOULD BE WILL BE TO

SIGN AN NDA TO KNOW THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ME. >> COULD I ADDRESS THAT

COUNCILLOR. >> SURE. IT'S JUST A STATEMENT.

SO YOU CAN ADDRESS IT IF YOU'D LIKE. >> PLEASE CONTINUE, COUNCILLOR.

>> SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW WE TALKED AND I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THE NUMBER OF AGE RESTRICTED UNITS HAD DECLINED IN THE PROJECT BUT I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT THE AGE RESTRICTED IS STILL IN THERE. MOSTLY I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE ACT ROLE THAT IS NOW LAW. WE STILL CALL IT THAT BUT IT'S ONE FROM TWO SESSIONS AGO. THIS DEDUCTS MULTIFAMILY BY UP T 36% THROUGH 2031.

THIS IS A DIRECT -- THIS SHOWS THE DIRECT RESULT OF THE PROBLEM PARTICULARLY RELATED TO 2% AV IN THIS LAW AND HOW IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS COMMUNITIES LIKE OURS. SO PREVIOUSLY TO THIS PROJECT WE HAD A 95-5 SPLIT UNDER AN EXISTING LAW AND BECAUSE OF THOSE ARTIFICIAL DEDUCTIONS TO MULTIFAMILY NOW WE'RE RECEIVING LESS TOTAL INCREMENT, IE LESS TOTAL PROPERTY TAX ON A 2% ASSESSED VALUE. THESE ARE NOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME STEAD HOMES.

AND SO NOW IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTING THIS PROJECT AND WE ARE NOW LOSING INCREMENT FROM THE PROJECT BECAUSE THE ACTIONS THAT WERE TAKEN UNDER SEA1 RELATED TO MULTIFAMILY.

HENRY, CAN YOU TELL ME THAT ANY NEW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER THAT'S COMING TO CARMEL WITH THE DEDUCTION OF 36 -- DO THEY PLAN TO SUBSIDIZE OR REDUCE RENT FROM THE CURRENT MARKETS BASED ON THOSE PROPERTY TAX SAVINGS? THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE NOT.

THEY ARE INCREASING THEIR MARGINS. >> I WANT TO HEAR YOUR OPINION

ON THAT. >> IT SEEMED LIKE A RHETORICAL QUESTION.

I'VE NEVER SEEN DEVELOPERS NOT TAKE A BENEFI TO THEIR OWN BOTTOM LINE.

>> THANK YOU. SO JUST TO POINT OUT, SEA1, AV DEDUCT 36% WHICH MEANS WE'RE NOT RECEIVING THE TAX REVENUE FOR THAT TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WHAT IT IS AND NOW WE'RE LOSING AND NOT EVEN GAINING THE 5% INCREMENT WE COULD HAVE ACHIEVED ON THIS PROJECT.

AND WE KNOW THAT THOSE SAVINGS BY MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS ARE NOT BEING PASSED ALONG TO THE TENANTS SO THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS BUILD WAS TO RE -- CREATE REDUCED PROPERTY TAXES OR IE

COST FOR TENANTS AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING. >> THANK YOU.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE THEME FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR IS HOW STATE LEGISLATURE HAS REALLY IMPACTED HOW CARMEL HAS BECOME THE GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD, THEY JUST KIND OF TURNED UPSIDE DOWN AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO RETHINK HOW WE DO EVERYTHING SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU SEND OFF FIERY EMAILS MAYBE SOMETIMES NOT JUST TO US BUT TO THE STATE LAW MAKERS AS WELL.

>> CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO WHAT COUNCILLOR TAYLOR SAID BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HEAR IT BECAUSE THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT SOME RANDOM PERSON LIVING SOMEWHERE PAYING LESS TAXES OR

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SO I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT POINT. >> SO I WOULD -- THE TAKE AWAY MR. BURKALA, ADAM SAID A LOT ON WHAT WE'RE ALL THINKING AND THE PARKING IS A BIG ONE AND THE FACT THAT THE PROJECT IS DIFF DIFFERENT, THE KIND OF WONKY PROCESS WHERE I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN, I REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THAT A KAY VE VACATION WAA FINAL APPROVAL IF I HADN'T PULLED YOU ASIDE AND ASKED YOU BECAUSE IT'S FOREIGN TO ME.

>> I WOULD HAVE CERTAINLY MADE THAT POINT AT THE DIAS LIKE YOU SAID.

>> I'M SURE YOU WOULD HAVE. I DIDN'T KNOW IT GOING INTO TODAY.

SO I THINK THERE'S JUST THINGS WE NEED TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND AND WE WILL TRY TO DO IT IN AN EFFICIENT WAY BUT THIS IS NEW. THANK YOU COUNCILLOR FOR BRINGING UP THE CONCERN, I'M SURE THERE'S OTHERS AND THANK YOU COUNCILOR TAYLOR FOR BRINGING UP WHAT IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD. IS THERE ANY FURTHER CONVERSATION ON THIS? OKAY. THESE WILL GO TO BOTH COMMITTEES TO DISCUSS THEIR RESPECTIVE INVOL INVOLVEMENT. I WILL LET YOU HENRY AND M

MR. BURKLIN KNOW WHEN THOSE ARE. >> TUESDAY THE 28TH AT 6 P.M. IN THE CAUCCUS ROOM.

>> COUNCILLOR SNYDER. WE DO NEED TO READ D2 -- >> YEAH, I'LL DO THEM BOTH.

AND THEN COUNCILLOR TAYLOR WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THE NEXT FINANCE MEETING IS.

>> NEXT FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING IS -- WE'LL NEED TO KEEP THAT MAY 13TH DATE IF WE WANT THIS TO COME BACK ON MAY 18TH TO COUNCIL. SO THAT MEANS YOU GUYS WILL HAVE TO HAVE A MAY 13TH AND A MAY 20TH FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING. SHANNON? JEFF? IT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR MAY 13TH.

BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE THINGS BACK FOR THE MAY 18TH COUNCIL MEETING WE'LL NEED TO KEEP THAT MAY 13TH

MEETING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING AMENABLE.

SO WE HAVE INTRODUCED E. EXCUSE ME, WEAVE WE'VE INTRODUCED D.

THAT'S AS FAR AS WE'VE GOTTEN. FIRST READING OF ORDERINANCE D-2817-26.

[14.e. First Reading of Ordinance D-2816-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Vacating a Portion of the Public Way; Sponsor: Councilor Snyder.]

9 AND 10 OF THE SUB DIVISION FILED BY PETITIONER CARMEL -- >> TO INTRODUCE.

>> SAME AS THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE D28-18-26 ORDINANCE OF COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF KAMPLE INDIANA AMENDING CHAPTER 4, ARTICLE 6 OF THE CARMEL CITY CODE SPONSORS COUNCILLORS MINNAAR AND TAYLOR.

COUNCILLOR MINNAAR. >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND.

>> ORDINANCE -- >> YOU SKIPPED. >> WHAT DID I SKIP?

>> CLIMATE ACTION. OH MY GOSH, ERIC, I'M SORRY. DID I READ THE RIGHT NUMBER?

[14.f. First Reading of Ordinance D-2817-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 2, Article 2, Section 27 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsors: Councilors Locke and Ayers.]

>> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND. >> COUNCILOR LOCKE.

>> THE ORDINANCE RENAMES THE CARMEL CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE AND EXPANDS THE COMMITTEE'S RESPONSIBILITIES AND MEMBERSHIP.

>> THANK YOU. I LOVE IT. MOVE TO SUSPEND THE EN ACTMENT N

THIS THIS EVENING. >> SECOND. >> COMMENTS?

>> SURE. SO GLAD TO MAKE COMMENTS. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY FOR THIS.

THIS IS A LONG TIME IN THE MAKING. BUT THE PREMISE IS HOW DO WE PUT THIS COMMITTEE IN A POSITION TO HELP THE CITY ACHIEVE ITS GOALS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, SUSTAINABILITY AND FINANCIAL RESILIENCE PERSPECTIVE.

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AND THIS GOES TO A MORE RESILIENT AND STRONGER STEWARDSHIP FOCUS MOVING FORWARD. THAT TERM IS AN OLD ONE THAT SHOWS FOR INSTANCE FOR THE THING THAT YOU ARE STEWARDING AND IN STEWARDING OUR ENVIRONMENT IN CARMEL IS NOT SOMETHING WE TAKE LIGHTLY. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR RESIDENTS OR COMMUNITY TAKE LIGHTLY. WE REALLY, REALLY CARE ABOUT THE PLACE WE LIVE.

SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS CHANGE. EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE. EXCITED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT

BEING SAVED HERE IN CARMEL. >> DITTO. >> LONG TIME CRITIC OF THE NAME OF THIS COMMITTEE. BECAUSE I HAVE THOUGHT THAT BY VIRTUE OF HAVING LIKE AN 80S CAPTAIN PLANET TITLE, IT DIMINISHES THE GOOD WORK IT DOES.

I THINK PEOPLE KIND OF DIDN'T TAKE A LOT OF THE STUFF SERIOUSLY.

MYSELF INCLUDED. AND MOSTLY BECAUSE I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THE GLOBAL AWARENESS. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING WITH OUR TAXPAYER MONEY. THIS NAME REALLY SCREAMS ALL OF THE FUNDAMENTAL ITEM THAT IS EVERY HUMAN SHOULD BE DOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE LAND AROUND THEM AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING BUT I THINK WITH A NAME THAT REFLECTS THAT THERE WILL BE MUCH MORE INTEREST FROM THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY PUT THIS COMMITTEE TO A PEDESTAL OF WHERE IT SHOULD BE IF NOT THE MOST PROMINENT COMMITTEE WE HAVE AS A COUNCIL AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMITTEE PRESIDENT IS HERE AND MUCH APPRECIATE YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DO.

SO THIS HAS BEEN -- WE'VE MOVED TO INTRODUCE THIS THIS EVENING. FURTHER ACTION?

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> I'M SORRY, IF YOU WANT TO

APPROVE YOU NEED TO SUSPEND THE RULES. >> WE DID.

>> I'M SORRY. >> THANK YOU. NOW WE ARE ON G.

[14.g. First Reading of Ordinance D-2818-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 4 Article 6 of the Carmel City Code; Sponsors: Councilors Minnaar and Taylor. ]

COUNCILLOR TAYLOR. >> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. >> SECOND.

>> ORDINANCE OF ANY REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 4 ARTICLE 6 OF CARMEL CITY CODE RELATING TO THE RESIDENTIAL RENTAL DWELLING REGISTRATION AND PERMIT PROGRAM. I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT IF YOU'D LIKE AND THEN COUNCILLORS CAN DECIDE HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO ACT THIS EVENING.

SO THERE WAS A STRUGGLE GETTING REGISTRANTS TO REGISTER PRIOR TO THE DEADLINE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. NOW SOME OF THESE THAT WERE NOT ABLE TO REGISTER WERE ABLE TO SHOW OR HAVE BEEN RENTING THEIR PROPERTIES PRIOR TO 1231, 2025 HOWEVER IF THEY MISS THE PERMITTING APPLYING FOR THE PERMIT AND REGISTERING PRIOR TO 1 1231, 2025, THEY WERE NOT CONSIDERED A LEGACY DWELLING UNIT WHICH GRANDFATHERS THEM IN REGARDLESS IF THEY ARE PLATTED NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ABOVE THE 10% CAP OR NOT.

SO THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH SOME MAILERS AND OTHER THINGS ONLY TO BE FAIR TO THOSE 'CAUSE THE -- YOU KNOW, COUNCILLOR MINNAAR AND I TALKED IN THE INTENT OF THIS WAS TO THOSE WHO WERE RENTING

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THEY DIDN'T GET THE MAIL IN TIME OR OUT OF TOWN, WHATEVER THEIR EXCUSE WAS SO WHAT THIS DOES IS MAKE TWO MINOR CHANGES TO ALLOW THOSE WHO WERE ABLE TO SHOW PROOF THAT THEY HAD A LEASE IN PLACE PRIOR TO 123125 THAT THEY ARE CONSIDEED LEGACY DWELLINGS. THE OTHER CHANGE I MIGHT NEED THE DIRECTOR TO EXPLAIN BUT IT'S RELATED TO THE HOA COMPONENT CERTIFICATION.

SO IT WOULD BE LINE 79 THAT STARTS UNDER A7 FOR RESIDENTIAL RENTAL DWELLING IS SUBJECT TO ACTIVE HOA COVENANTS, A WRITTEN AFFIRMATION AND THEN THIS SECTION IS SUGGESTED TO BE STRIPPED FROM THE HOA BOARD OR AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE STATING THAT THE DWELLING IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY HOA RENTAL OR OTHER RESTRICTIONS. SO IT'S JUST STATING THAT THE PERSON COULD SUBMIT A WRITTEN AFFIRMATION VERSES THE HOA HAVING TO CERTIFY.

YEAH, THAT'S IT. THOSE ARE THE TWO CHANGES. >> THERE'S ONE CORRECTION, IT'S

PJANUARY 31ST OF 2026. >> OH YEAH, SORRY. >> SO THAT'S THE ONLY

DIFFERENCE. >> AND THE REASON FOR THE OTHER CHANGE FOR THE HOA IS THEY WERE HAVING MUCH DIFFICULTY TRYING TO GET THESE KINDS OF AFTEAFFIDAVI THIS JUST MAKES IT EASIER,

CLEANER. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD BE GOOD ON SUSPENDING THE RULES ON MOVING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE CALLED AND SAID I HAVE OWNED PROPERTY AND BEEN RENTING IT FOR 20 PLUS YEARS AND I DIDN'T KNOW OR I TRIED AND I COULDN'T GET ACCESS TO IT. YOU KNOW THERE'S SOME GLITCH ONLINE.

SO YOU KNOW WHETHER IT GOES TO COMMITTEE BUT I'M GOOD. AND I KNOW SEVERAL OTHER COUNCILLORS HAVE GOTTEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO DO IT AND BEING OWNERS AND

RENTING FOR YEARS. >> I DON'T REALLY HAVE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT TO SEND IT TO COMMITTEE. I KNOW COUNCILLOR TAYLOR HAS PUT MORE TIME THAN HE PROBABLY WANTED TO INVESTMENT INTO THIS AND I TRUST HIS JUDGMENT AND I DO WANT TO GIVE THANKS TO DOCS THAT WAS HANDED A MASSIVE PROJECT AND IF THIS IS THE ONLY BALL THAT GOT DROPPED I THINK YOU SUCCEEDED VERY WELL SO I DO APPRECIATE IT AND I DO WANT TO SAY TO THE PUBLIC, PART OF THIS AND AS STATE LAWS CHANGE AND THIS GETS MASSAGED, THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE CITY COLLECTING DATA ON PEOPLE THAT OWN PROPERTY. THIS IS ABOUT THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT BEING ABLE TO CONTACT THE COOWNER OF A RENTAL. THAT IS WHY WE NEED TO KNOW WHO ACTUALLY LOANS THE LAND, THE RESPONSIBLE PARTICIPATE BECAUSE IT'S IN JOE SMO LLC AND THERE'S MORE TIMES WHERE THEY CAN'T GET INTO A HOUSE OR CONTACT A HOMEOWNER SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE JUST NOW KIND OF DOING THIS IS A TESTAMENT TO HOW MUCH WE'VE GROWN VERY FAST BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO CONTACT THE

RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR A RE RESIDENCE. >> I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT DID HAPPEN TO A FRIEND OF MINE BECAUSE THE OWNER THEY COULDN'T FIND THEM AND THE HOUSE HAS JUST BEEN SITTING THERE FOR OVER A YEAR AND A HALF NOW BUT A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO CHARLIE DEAN AND DCOS, HE DESERVES A LOT OF CREDIT FOR TAKING ON THIS RESPONSIBILITY AND HANDLING THE NUMEROUS PHONE CA CALLS, PEOPLE WHO ARE ANGRY, PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T ANGRY BUT CHARLIE IMPLEMENTING THIS

PROGRAM DESERVES A LOT OF KUDOS FROM THIS DIAS. >> THANK YOU.

SO IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT WHEN WILL PEOPLE BE ABLE TO START REGISTERING?

>> TONIGHT. HOPEFULLY EXCEPT FOR WE'LL MAKE -- WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT

THE PROGRAM CAN -- TOWARDS ACCEPTING IT. >> SO MAYBE 24 HOURS.

>> CERTAINLY WITHIN 24 HOURS IF NOT LESS IT WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> AND YOU PRETTY MUCH KNOW PRETTY TIGHTLY WHO OUT THERE HASN'T REGISTERED BASED ON PUBLICLY AVAILABLE TAX DATA;

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RIGHT? >> SO JUST REAL QUICK QUESTION, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN SO IF I SAY THAT MY HOA HAS NO COVENANTS AGAINST ME RENTING MY HOME, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I PUT THAT ON THE FORM AND THEN EVERYBODY IS ALL UPSET BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT TRUE? THEY SAY OH, I DIDN'T KNOW.

I DIDN'T KNOW MY HOA HAD COVENANTS OR WHATEVER. WHAT HAPPENS THEN?

>> POTENTIALLY IT'S A PERMIT REVOCATION. SO IT WILL BE CONSIDERED A MY REPRESENTATION ON THE FORM BECAUSE YOU DO AFFIRM THAT YOU EARLY HAVE COVENANTS OR YOUR COVENANTS DO NOT CONFLICT WITH THE ORDINANCE. AND IF IT HAPPENS TO BE INCORRECT, LET'S SAY HOA NOTIFIES US THAT HEY, THIS IS ACTUALLY WASN'T CORRECT.

WE DO HAVE COVENANTS AND HERE'S A SECTION THAT FORBIDS IT THEN THE PERMIT WILL BE REVOKED AND THERE WILL BE AN APPEAL PROCESS AS WELL AFFORDED TO THE PETITIONER AND THE VPW WILL BE

ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT. >> AND SO ULTIMATELY THEY WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE RENTER.

>> CORRECT. AND ALSO HOA, OF COURSE, WOULD HAVE A PRIVATE CAUSE OF ACTION AS WELL TO MOVE DIRECTLY AGAINST ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE HOA.

>> BUT WE WOULD BE ENFORCING IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WHAT -- WHAT'S THE FUTURE HOLD FOR THIS? WHERE ARE WE HEADING WITH THIS

WHOLE THING AS FAR AS THE STATE AND THE CHANGES MADE? >> AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A SUNSET PROVISION WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN TWO YEARS AT THIS POINT THAT THE CAP WILL GO AWAY BUT THE REGISTRATION WILL REMAIN. SO WE WILL LIKELY HAVE TO MODIFY THIS ORDINANCE IF THAT SUNSET PROVISION STANDS BUT OBVIOUSLY A COUPLE OF LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, LET'S SEE HOW IT CHANGES AND IF IT DOES WE'LL HAVE TO REMOVE THE CAP

ONCE THE TIME COMES BUT AGAIN REGISTRATION WILL REMAIN. >> YEAH.

I THINK THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. IT'S ALL I NEED.

>> AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS IS TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.

ONE IS THE REGISTRATION. REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TO CAP THAT'S IN PLACE AND PEOPLE MUST REGISTER THAT GIVES US THE DATA WE NEED FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY;

RIGHT? >> THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT >> WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PROTECTING OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THE CAP IS A SEPARATE MATTER.

NOW SOMEBODY IF THE CAP GOES AWAY AND SOMEBODY AFFIRMS THAT THERE'S NO HOA COVENANTS IN PL PLACE, THAT THERE'S NO ACTION THERE BECAUSE THEY WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO BE -- TO REGISTER REGARDLESS IF THE CAPS IS IN PLACE OR NOT.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> SERGEI, SO THE TENANT WHO IS UNKNOWINGLY KNOWING THEY'VE ENTERED INTO A BAD CONTRACT, WOULD TYPICALLY IF ADVISED HAVE RECOURSE AGAINST THE LANDLORD

THAT -- OKAY. >> I JUST WANT -- THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD POINT.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SIMILAR POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT REFUTE OR DIMINISH ANY PRIVATE CAUSE OF ACTION VIS-À-VIS LANDLORD AND TENANT AND HOA PR.

DEPENDING ON THE ISSUE THEY HVE A PRIVATE COURSE OF ACTION INDEPENDENT OF THIS ORDINANCE.

THAT DOES NOT AFFECT IT. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> TONY, DID YOU MAKE THAT

MOTION? >> SO WE NEED A MOTION TO -- >> MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND

ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING. >> SECOND. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ADD ON ITEMS.

[16.a. Notice of Cancellation of Outstanding Checks for Fiscal Year 2023 - $1,499.58 Acknowledgment Only]

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>> MOVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT. >> SECOND. >> B, 2024 GENERAL OBLIGATION

[16.b. 2024 General Obligation Bonds - Project List Update]

EXCUSE ME. RIGHT. WE APPROPRIATED 96 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF PROJECTS BASED ON BOND DOCUMENTS BUT THE GROSS PROCEEDS WERE 87 MILLION, 515 DOLLARS SO WE DID HAVE TO RETOOL THANKFULLY ENGINEERING REALLY WORKED ON EFFICIENCIES AND GETTING VERY ACCURATE NUMBERS. WHEN WE GOT THE TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET DOWN TO 90 MILLION WHICH ANYBODY THAT CAN DO SIMPLE ARIT ARITHMETIC.

THAT'S 3 MILLION OVER. THAT'S A COMFORTABLE DEGREE TO BE OVER BECAUSE WE WILL STILL LIKELY GET CONTRIBUTING FUNDS FROM MPO, GRANTS, PROJECT COMES IN, UNDER FUNDED, OR UNDER

BUDGET. GO AHEAD. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANYTHING ON THE TABLE SO WE WANT TO SPEND EVERY PENNY.

>> AND THAT'S NOT A PHILOSOPHICAL POSITION. THAT IS THE NATURE OF BOND.

>> YEP. >> OKAY. SO WE CAN DO THESE MOU UPDATES MORE REGULARLY. WE CAN GET THEM PROBABLY MONTHLY.

I MEAN IF YOU WANT TO BUT WHAT I HAD A HARD TIME WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND IT'S A LITERAL SNAPSHOT IN TIME AND I'M IN THE BUSINESS, I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT BUT I NEVER WRAPPED MY HEAD AROUND IT SO THESE NUMBERS CHANGE. WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE MOST UPDATED ONE IN BRAD'S OFFICE TODAY, SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE ALREADY CHANGED. THEY ARE NOT HUGE BUT THE

NUMBERS JUST CHANGE AS A PRODUCT OF DOING BUSINESS. >> AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE AWARE THAT WE'VE RESTRUCTURED A BOND THIS WAY THAT HAVE THE BUDGETS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT VERSES A TOTAL BUDGET. PREVIOUSLY ONE GOES UP AND ONE GOES UNDER WE MOVE ALONG AND THAT'S ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT THE COUNCIL BE AWARE OF THE

BUDGET CHANGES AS THE PROJECTS MOVE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE POINT FOR THE PUBLIC SAY PROJECTS THAT WERE CUT BECAUSE YOU ORDERED THE LIST IN

PRIORITY PROPERTY PROBABLY AREN'T ANY SURPRISE TO ANYONE. >> FOR INSTANCE, THE BIGGEST CUT WOULD BE THE BRIDGES AND TUNNELS, THAT WAS VERY AMB AMBITIOUS.

WE DID NOT GET THE FUNDING WE HOPED FOR AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME WHILE PUBLIC SAFETY IS A PRIORITY OUTLINING 15 TO 20 MILLION DOLLARS ON A SPECIFIC CROSSING WAS OUTWEIGHED BY OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS. BUT MONEY WAS INALLOCATED TO DO ENHANCED CROSSWALKS AND IM PROV

ADDITIONAL SAFETY MEASURES AT THOSE CROSSWALKS. >> NEITHER THE BRIDGE AND TUNNEL ON 106 AND 111TH WERE FULLY FUNDEDA ANYWAY. WE WILL CONTINUE TO APPLY AND IF WE GET THE MATCH I CAN COME BACK TO YOU AND LET YOU KNOW BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S BEST TO KIND OF

FREE THOSE UP TO BUILD THINGS. >> I WASN'T A FAN OF LIKE 10 MILLION DOLLARS EACH BUT IF WE COULD HAVE GOT THE FUNDS I WOULD HAVE SAY YEAH, GO AHEAD AND DO IT.

>> WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO MAKING THIS -- SENDING THIS MONTHLY JUST AN UPDATED SPREADSHEET SO

EVERYONE IS FULLY AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE. >> M-HMM.

>> THANK YOU. >> IS EMAIL GOOD. >> YEAH.

>> CAN YOU FAX MINE, PLEASE.

>> SURE. >> WE'D LIKE A MOTION OF ACKNOWLEDGMENT.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER COMMENT?

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COUNCILLOR THE ERESSA AYERS TO PLAN COMMISSION. >> SECOND.

MOVE TO CLOSE NOMINATION. >> DISCUSSION >> CLOSE NOMINATIONS.

I NEED A SECOND. >> SO YEAH, SO. >> MICROPHONE.

>> THIS IS NONSTANDARD. I WANTED TO ASK WHY? >> MY UNDERSTANDING AND THEY CAN

SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES THE CURRENT APPOINTMENT HAD SOME -- >> I'M SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE. FOR PERSONAL REASONS IT NO LONGER WORKED WITH MY SCHEDULE.

>> SO IT'S A SCHEDULING. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THIS JUST PLANNING COMMISSION. WE CAN VOTE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT ARE YOU CHANGING

THE LAND USE AS WELL? >> YES, BECAUSE OF PERSONAL REASONS WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK

ABOUT THAT OFF LINE? >> SO THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE THREE COUNCILLORS ON THE LAND

USE. >> I WOULD SAY I'M AN DE FACTO MEMBER BASED ON COUNCIL RULES.

>> WELL, I GET THAT. BUT WHEN I CAME ONTO THE CO COUNCIL, ALL RIGHT, THERE WAS 7 COUNCILLORS. THERE'S A PRESIDENT AND THEN THERE'S 6 COUNCILLORS.

EACH COUNCILLOR WAS PUT ON THE FINANCE OR LAND USE COMMITTEE. AND THAT'S TO ENSURE -- YOU KNOW, KIND OF EVERYONE GETS TO PARTICIPATE BUT ALSO THERE'S NO -- YOU KNOW, KIND OF A THAT SOMEONE IS NOT -- IT'S ALL FAIR AND EQUITABLE AND POLITICAL AFFILIATION IS NEVER TAKEN INTO IT. EVERYONE IS GUARANTEED EITHER TO BE PRESIDENT OR ON A COMMITTEE.

AND WHEN WE WENT TO 9 CITY COUNCILLORS, MY SECOND TERM WE STILL DID THAT.

WE HAD A PRESIDENT, FOUR PEOPLE ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND FOUR PEOPLE ON THE LAND USE COMMITTEE AND THEN WHEN WE LOST BRUCE KIMBALL WHO WAS INCAPACITATED FOR 2 AND A HALF YEARS WE DIDN'T GO WITHOUT A PERSON, MILES NELSON VOLUNTEERED TO BE ON BOTH SO THERE'S PUBLIC BUSINESS GETTING DOWN AND THERE'S NO SITUATIONS WHEN THERE'S THREE PEOPLE ON LAND USE AND ONE OF THEM IS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY AND WE HAVE TO CANCEL EXISTING LAND USE MEETEDING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE SO IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE I THINK WE AT LEAST HAVE TO HAVE FOUR PEOPLE ON LAND USE. I GET COUNCIL LOR CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN ANYTHING BUT I THINK WE NEED FOUR PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL.

FOUR PEOPLE ON EACH COMMITTEE. AND I'D BE WILLING TO FILL THAT POSITION JUST LIKE COUNCILLOR

NELSON VOLUNTEERED TO FILL THAT POSITION. >> I ACKNOWLEDGE EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING COUNCILLOR GREEN. AND IF YOU ARE INCLINED TO SERVE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE

YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO SET A PRECEDENT AND IT'S BEEN A PRECEDENT THAT SOMEONE CAN'T PARTICIPATE WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE OF TIME COMMITMENT OR SOME OTHER CONFLICT THEN WHEN WILL ANOTHER COUN

COUNCILLOR -- THANK YOU. >> WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFF LINE.

>> FINE. >> I APPRECIATE YOU BEING WILLING TO DO THAT.

SO THANK YOU. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I ENCOURAGE -- I DIDN'T KNOW

WHAT WAS GOING ON HERE BUT I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. >> IT'S JUST KIND OF A TRANSPARENCY THING AND IT'S VERY NONSTANDARD FOR US TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

>> THE LAND USE COMMITTEE MOVING FORWARD WILL CONSIST OF COUNCILLOR GREEN, COUNCILLOR LOCKE, COUNCILL L L LOR AYERS A COUNCILLOR JOSHI. I AM VERY PARTIAL TO THAT COMMITTEE. I'M SURE IT WILL CONTINUE IT'S EXPECTED LEVEL OF SUCCESS AND EVEN MORE ENHANCED WITH COUNCILOR GREEN BUT WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE THAT NEEDS RESOLVED. COUNCILOR AYERS, THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.

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>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS EVENING? HEARING

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