Sep 15, 2026 Carmel Plan Commission

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SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2026 MEETING OF THE CARMEL PLANNING COMMISSION.

[B. Pledge of Allegiance ]

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU VERY

[C. Roll Call ]

CALL THE ROLE. >> BLAKE.

>> DOESN'T. >> JUST FILL.

>> PRESENT. >> INLAND.

>> PRESENT. >> BUCKLER.

MARKET THERE. >> TERESA AYERS.

[D. Declaration of Quorum]

[E. Approval of Minutes ]

>> THANK YOU WE HAVE A QUORUM. NEXT WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST COMMISSION MEETING.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> ADOPTION.

SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE AUGUST PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MINUTES, PLEASE

SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, THEY ARE APPROVED.

NEXT IS REPORTS, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND DEPARTMENT CONCERNS.

I'M SORRY. COMMUNICATIONS, BILLS, EX- MANAGERS AND LEGAL COUNSEL REPORT.

[G. Reports, Announcements & Department Concerns]

>> I WILL TURN IT TO ALLY. >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO

REPORT TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW IT IS TIME FOR REPORTS ANNOUNCEMENTS AND DEPARTMENT CONCERNS. I WILL TURN IT TO ALEXIA.

>> THANK YOU. THE ONLY ITEM I HAVE TONIGHT IS THE OUTCOME OF THE PROJECTS AT THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING.

SO THE HUNTERS ONE WALL CHANGE WAS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.

THE ASCENSION ST. VINCENT HEART CENTER CENTER SIGNAGE WAS APPROVED WITH CONTENTIONS.

AND THE HEMPSTEAD PUD WAS DISCUSSED AND CONTINUE TO BE

[Items H.1. & H.2]

ABSORBED -- OCTOBER 6 MEETING. >> TONIGHT WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ONE NEW BUSINESS. WE WILL START WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE HAVE PEOPLE IN HERE. THE RULES OF PROCEDURE IS THAT THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION. AND THEN I WILL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

I WILL ASK A SHOW OF HANDS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE PETITION. THE PUBLIC, ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE PETITION MAY DO SO.

AFTER THAT, THE PETITIONER WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL AND COMMENTS AND THEN I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE DEPARTMENT STAFF FOR THEIR COMMENTS. AT CONCLUSION OF THE DEPARTMENTS OF COMMONS, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION IS CLOSED.

SO THEN I WILL OPEN IT UP TO COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WITH THAT, WE WILL GO TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.

THIS IS DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2026- PZ-2026-CATALYST REHAB AND THERAPY. PZ-2026-00177.

AND PUD SECTION 509D REGARDING ROOFS OF THE BUILDING TO BE LOW SLOPED OR A MANSARD ROOF OR FLAT ROOF REQUESTED.

THE APPLICANT SEEKS SITE PLAN AND DESIGN APPROVAL AND ONE VARIANCE TO ALLOW A TWO STORY REHABILITATION AND THERAPY FACILITY. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 13,400 ILLINOIS STREET AND IS OWNED HIGH ZONED HIGHPOINT ON MERIDIAN PUD. Z-559-12.

FILED BY JIM SHOULD NEVER OF NELSON AND FRANKENBURG ARE ON BEHALF OF CAH DEVELOPMENTS AND I WILL TURNED OVER TO JOHN.

>> THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, I'M A LAND-UE PROFESSIONAL AND MY NAME IS JON DOBOSIEWICZ AND WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT SEE A -- CAH. PRESENT ON BEHALF IS PHIL SHOCK AND THE PROJECT ENGINEER AS WELL AS OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. BY WAY OF GENERAL BACKGROUND, CATALYST IS A FULL-SERVICE HEALTHCARE REAL ESTATE FIRM.

THEY FOCUS ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND INVESTMENT OF HEALTHCARE FACILITIES INCLUDING INPATIENT REHAB FACILITIES.

THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO DEVELOP A REHABILITATION OF THERAPY FACILITY ON THE REAL ESTATE WHICH IS A PERMITTED USE UNDER THE HIGHPOINT PUD DESIGN. THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND ANY OTHER PLANS AS WELL AS ONE VARIANCE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR TO REVIEW. THE SUBJECT OF REAL ESTATE IS IDENTIFIED HERE. OUTLINED IN YELLOW.

THE REAL ESTATE IS APPROXIMATELY 5.4 ACRES AND LOCATED ADJACENT TO ILLINOIS STREET. THE REAL ESTATE IS WITHIN THE AREA GOVERNED BY THE HIGHPOINT ON MERIDIAN PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED TO THE WEST AND NORTH WITH THE HIGHPOINT ON MERIDIAN APARTMENTS COMMUNITY DIRECTLY ADJACENT ON THE SITE ALONG ILLINOIS STREET. THE EXHIBIT DISPLAYS A PROPOSED

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THERE IS ALSO AN EXISTING AREA IN LIGHT BLUE.

IT IS AN EXISTING THE SWELL AND PART OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FOR THE FACILITY. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PHOTOS THAT WE WILL SHARE IN A MOMENT. WE SHARED AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING EARLIER THIS SUMMER. THAT WAS IN ADVANCE OF THE REQUEST REGARDING THE SITE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD AND ZONING ASSEMBLY AND SHARED INFORMATION WITH NEIGHBORS AND GOT SUPPORT AT THAT TIME FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

THERE WERE THREE PHOTOS WE PROVIDED AND THIS IS FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE LOOKING NORTH NORTH.

THE INTENT HERE IS JUST TO SHOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE ROBUST NATURE OF THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE IN PLACE TODAY.

WE WILL ADD ADDITIONAL TREES ALONG THE SHARED SEGMENT OF THE PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH INTO THE WEST OF THE SITE.

BUT THE NEIGHBORS WERE GLAD TO HEAR THE THE PRESERVATION OF THAT SPACE WILL BE MAINTAINED AS IT EXISTS TODAY AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, YOU CAN SEE ONE OF THE HOUSES RIGHT HERE BEHIND THIS AREA RIGHT HERE YOU CAN IN PART, ONE OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A FLAT ROOF INSTEAD OF THE ROOF IT HAS.

THE ROOF IS TO EFFECTIVELY UTILIZE THE BUFFER TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY WHERE THE ROOF LINE OF THE NEW BUILDING WOULD BE LOWER AND BETTER SCREENED FROM SECOND STORIES IF YOU HAVE THEM FROM ADJACENT NEIGHBOR HOMES.

I THINK FOLKS WERE GLAD TO HEAR THAT AS WELL.

THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL BE POSITIONED -- BUILDINGS IN THE AREA AND BROWN AND A FUTURE ADDITION IN GREEN.

THE BUILDING WILL BE POSITIONED UP CLOSER TO ILLINOIS STREET AS YOU CAN SEE. IT IS APPROXIMATELY 180 FEET FROM THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

THE FACILITY WILL INCLUDE 42 BEDS.

A PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND THE PORTION IDENTIFIED PERSON IN GREEN IS THE FUTURE ADDITION THAT WOULD ADD 12 BEDS FOR A TOTAL OF 54 BEDS WITHIN THE FACILITY.

YOU ALSO SEE APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONING AND AVOIDING IMPOSING BUILDING MASS WHERE IT IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.

THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS THE PRIMARY AREA OF THE BUILDING IS TWO STORIES IN THE AREA OF GRAIN IS A SINGLE-STORY SO IT STOPS DOWN. IN ADDITION TO BEING PULLED AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, UP CLOSE TO ILLINOIS STREET, THEY ARE STAIR STEPPING IN THE BUILDING AND THE FLAT ROOF IS WITH THE PLANNING. THIS IS A BUILDING PERSPECTIVE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING. THIS IS LOOKING NORTH ACROSS ILLINOIS STREET IN THE FOREGROUND TOUR THE BUILDING ITSELF. YOU CAN SEE THE SINGLE-STORY PORTION OF THE BUILDING HERE. I WILL OUTLINE THAT.

THAT IS THE SINGLE-STORY PORTION FURTHER WEST AND NORTH.

IN THIS REGARD, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A VARIANCE FOR A FLAT ROOF BUILDING. THE FLAT ROOF WILL SERVE TO LOWER THE OVERALL ROOF LINE. AND POTENTIALLY THOSE USED FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AS I DESCRIBED EARLIER.

IN CONCLUSION, WE REVIEWED THE APARTMENT REPORT AND WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO ADDRESS THE REMAINING CONCERNS.

IN ADVANCE OF GOING BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 6.

WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE AND BE GLAD TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS A PLANNING COMMITTEE HAS NOW OR AT THE CONCLUSION OF YOUR PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BY A SHOW OF HANDS, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PETITION? BEING NONE, I WILL TURNED OVER TO ALEXIA FOR THE DEPARTMENT STAFF COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.

AS THE PETITIONER STATED, THEY ARE PROPOSING A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH THE ASSOCIATED PARKING FOR REHABILITATION AND FOR -- AND THERAPY FACILITY. THEY ARE ALSO SEEKING A VARIANCE THIS EVENING AND THAT IS PART OF THE COMBO COMMITTEE PROCESS.

THE VARIANCE IS FOR THE DESIGN OF THE ROOF TO ALLOW THE FLAT ROOF. THE PROJECT ALSO RECEIVED ONE VARIANCE PREVIOUSLY IN MAY TO EXTEND THE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM WHAT WAS PERMITTED IN THE PUD AND THAT WAS APPROVED.

THE BUILDING WILL HAVE ABOUT 143 PARKING SPACES.

THERE ARE TWO ENTRANCES PROPOSED INTO THE SITE.

ONE FROM ILLINOIS AND THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING A BREAK IN THE

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THE BUILDING DESIGN IS MORE CONTEMPORARY AND MODERN AND THE PUD DOES CALL FOR CONTEMPORARY ITALIANATE DESIGN.

WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PETITIONER ABOUT REVISING THE BUILDING DESIGN TO COME MORE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUD OR DEPENDING ON THE DESIGN THE VARIANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED AS WELL. THE BUILDING HAS A BRICK BASE WITH ARCHITECTURAL CONCRETE TILT WALLS.

THE MAIN INTERESTS IS COMPOSED OF GLASS CURTAIN WALL WITH WHITE CANOPY COVERING THE DROP OFF AREA.

WE THINK THE OVERALL DESIGN IS A LITTLE MAY BE TOO MODERN AND LACKING SOME OTHER ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT YOU MIGHT SEE WITH THE ITALIANATE DESIGN AND SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS PART OF THIS PUD THAT EXIST TODAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE REVISIONS. WE HAVE OFFERED SOME IDEAS TO THE PETITIONER AND LOOK FORWARD TO A REVISED ARCHITECTURE AND SEEING WHAT THE ARCHITECTS COME BACK WITH.

LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED ALONG ILLINOIS STREET TO CREATE A NICE STREETSCAPE AND THERE ARE TREES VENTED IN THE PARKING LOT AREA AND SOME SHOWN AROUND THE BUILDING.

THE PLANT MEETS THE MAXIMUM FOOT CANDLES ALLOWED IN LIGHT PROPOSED AT 20 FEET AND THEN 25 FEET IS ALLOWED.

AND WE HAD ASKED FOR MORE DETAILS ON THE DESIGN OF THE SIGNS BUT I THINK THEY REQUESTED TO COME BACK FOR A SEPARATE APPROVAL FOR THE SIGNAGE. THEY ARE NOT READY TO HAVE THAT APPROVED YET. THE PETITIONER RECENTLY RECEIVED SOME OF THE STAFF COMMENTS. AND SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY HAVEN'T HAD REVISIONS THIS EVENING AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM AND THE COMMITTEE PROCESS.

SOME OF THE ITEMS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED INCLUDE PROVIDING A SIDEWALK CONNECTION NEAR THE WESTERN END, FROM THE PATH ALONG ILLINOIS STREET. THEY HAVE ONE ON THE EASTERN END BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE ON THE WESTERN THAT COULD LEAD MORE DIRECTLY TO THE BIKE PARKING AREA AND ADDRESSING THE ARCHITECTURE COMENTS. THEY ARE LACKING FOUNDATION PLANTING BASED ON THE PUD AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TREES ADDED TO THE NORTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT.

CLOSER TO THE PARKING SPACES JUST TO CONTINUE TO ADD SOME BUFFER FOR THOSE RESIDENTS. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME OTHER MINOR ITEMS LIKE TRASH DETAILS AND SOME OTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ON THE PARCEL AND WE NEED TO SEE THOSE ELEVATIONS FOR AS WELL. SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS TIME THAT THE PROJECT GOES TO THE TUESDAY OCTOBER 6TH SIX COMMITTEE MEETING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL NOW OPEN UP TO THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO GO

FIRST. >> D -- JESS.

>> SURE. IS THERE AMPLE PARKING FOR ALL

EMPLOYEES. >> PHASE ONE WOULD ESTABLISH THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ADDITION.

ALL OF THE PARKING WILL BE COMPLETED AT ONE TIME AND IN THE BUILDING ADDITION, IF PROCEEDED WITH, WOULD OCCUPY THE REST OF

THE AVAILABLE PARKING. >> THANK YOU.

I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMENTS.

IT IS A PRETTY STARK CONTRAST WITH THE APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH NORTH. BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING

THOSE CHANGES THIS MONTH. >> JEFF.

>> JOHN, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK TONIGHT OR GIVE US ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHEN WE DISCUSS AGAIN.

YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF DARK GREEN AREA.

AND YOU SHOWED PICTURES EARLIER THAT HELPS PROVIDE BUFFERING AND SEPARATION FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND WEST WEST. I THINK I SEE ON YOUR EXHIBIT THAT THAT IS PART OF A LEGAL DRAIN.

DID SOME OF THOSE TREES -- PUT SOME OF THOSE DISAPPEAR IF THE COUNTY CAME IN AND SAID WE HAVE TO DO SOME KIND OF MAINTENANCE? IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE WE HANG ONTO TREES OR

OTHER TREES THAT COULD BE THERE? >> I WILL VERIFY AND CONFIRM THE LOCATION. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DRAIN EASEMENT MIGHT BE INSIDE OF THE.

BUT I WILL HAVE THE PROJECT ENGINEER AVAILABLE IN THE WORKSHOP OR COMMITTEE MEETING, RATHER.

AND BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT FOR US.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> REALLY QUICK.

ON THE DESIGN COMMENTS. AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, I KNOW THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT FLAT ROOFS JUST FROM A BUILDING PERSPECTIVE, A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE.

IF IT IS A FLAT ROOF, IS THERE ANY SLOPE TO IT AT ALL?

>> YEAH. >> CAN YOU GIVE ME A ROUGH

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>> YES. THE WALL YOU SEE HERE, THE ROOF SITS BEHIND AND BELOW THAT LEVEL AND THERE IS A SLOPE TO THE INTERNAL ROOF WHERE IT RUNS BACK TO DOWNSPOUTS AS WELL AS OVERFLOWS. BUT I WILL FIND OUT THE EXACT

DEGREE. >> I AGREE WITH ALL THE STAFF'S COMMENTS ON IMPROVING THE ARCHITECTURE AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING. ON THE ROOF QUESTION, IN THE PUD ORIGINAL LANGUAGE BY THE WAY WAS HARD TO FIND BECAUSE IT DATES BACK TO 2013. THE NEO- ITALIAN OR CONTEMPORARY ITALIAN STYLE WITH BROAD OVERHANGING LOW PITCHED ROOF SHAPES, IS THERE THAT MUCH OF A HEIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LOW PITCHED AND WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING NOW AS FAR AS --

>> WE WILL PROVIDE A CROSS-SECTION VIEW.

WITH THE OFFICE BUILDING, IT IS A LOT MORE WIDE THAN THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PITCHED ROOF ON THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND IT IS WHITER.

THE OPTIC -- ULTIMATE ROOF HEIGHT IS CONSIDERED WHAT IS PERMITTED BUT IT IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR PLANTA PLANTT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICATION.

>> OKAY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH COMMITTEE. WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION?

>> I MOVED TO FORWARD TO THE OCTOBER 6 COMMITTEE MEETING.

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR THE PETITION TO GO TO THE OCTOBER 6 COMMISSION MEETING WITH VOTING AUTHORITY? YES, WITH VOTING AUTHORITY GIVEN TO THE COMMITTEE, PLEASE SAY

AYE. >> AND HE OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. WE WILL SEE YOU AT THE COMMUNITY

[H.3. Docket No. PZ-2026-00158 PUD: Clayshire PUD Rezone. ]

UP NEXT IS THE NEXT DOCKET. IT IS DOCKET NUMBER PZ-2026-00158. AND THE APPLICANT SEEKS REZONED APPROVAL TO ALLOW HIS NEW SUBDIVISION WITH 53 LOTS.

THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 12,411 TOWN ROAD.

IT IS OWNED S1 RESIDENTIAL. IT IS FILED BY JIM CHIN JENNIFED JON DOBOSIEWICZ ON BEHALF OF NELSON AND FRANKENBURGER ON BEHALF OF MI HOMES OF INDIANA. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> JON DOBOSIEWICZ WITH NELSON AND FRANK IN FRANKENBERGER.

WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT'S, MI HOMES OF INDIANA.

ON BEHALF OF MI IS DOMINIC DRYER AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE TRAN 56 REZONED IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A FOR SALE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY TO BE KNOWN AS CLAYSHIRE INCLUDING A SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENCE WITH AN ANTICIPATED SALE PRICE AVERAGE OF $1.2 MILLION. THE REAL ESTATE IS IDENTIFIED ON THE AERIAL PHOTO NOW ON DISPLAY. IT IS ALSO CONCLUDED ON THE INFORMATION OF BROCHURES. IT IS AN IN SILL SITE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 126TH STREET.

126TH STREET BEING HERE AT THE ROUNDABOUT AND OF COURSE TOWN ROAD. IT CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 37 ACRES. THE REAL ESTATE IS CURRENTLY ZONED S1 RESIDENTIAL AND IT IS SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY EXISTING DETACHED SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS.

THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY SURROUNDS THE REAL ESTATE ON THESE THREE SIDES OR LAKES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD LOCATED ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN ROAD SOUTH OF 126TH STREET RIGHT HERE.

DEVELOPMENT OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES REPRESENTS AN APPROPRIATE ADDITION TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THE EXHIBIT NOW ON DISPLAY IS A COLOR CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT IS ALSO INCLUDED BEHIND THE THREE OF YOUR BROCHURES. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC THAT WE ARE AT THE ZONING PHASE NOW AND IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE, WE WOULD BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING WHERE WE WOULD DRILL DOWN ON ENGINEERING DETAILS SUCH AS AND INCLUDING DRAINAGE AND I WILL ADDRESS THAT AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.

I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL COMMENTS, LEGITIMATE COMMENTS FROM THE THE PUBLIC THAT INVOLVED DRAINAGE CONCERNS. AS INDICATED, THE PLAN IS TO DEVELOP FOR SALE DETACHED SINGLE-FAMILY COMMUNITY ON THE REAL ESTATE WHILE AT THE PROPOSED PRICE POINT, RENTALS ARE NOT TYPICAL AND LESS THEY PROVIDE RENTAL RESTRICTIONS IN THE FORM THAT WE HAVE SEEN RECENTLY ATTACHED TO OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. SO THAT WILL BE FORTHCOMING WE KNEW IT WOULD BE A REQUEST. IT IS COMING UP AS PART OF THE

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HERE AND HERE. INTERNAL STREETS ARE ORGANIZED AROUND AN INTERNAL LOOP WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC LOCATED APPROXIMATELY AND LOCATION OF ONE OR TWO OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ON TOWNE ROAD. AT THE SOUTHERNMOST, IN FRONT OF ONE OF THE TWO EXISTING HOMES ON THE REAL ESTATE WHICH WILL RESIDE ON ONE OF THE 53 LOTS. NO STREET CONNECTION IS PROPOSED TO THE MEETINGHOUSE ROAD. THAT ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY HERE.

IT EXISTS AND IT TERMINATES A ROUNDABOUT THAT HEADS OVER TO THE STREET. CLAYSHIRE IS RELATIVELY LESS DENSE AT A PROXIMATELY 1.4 HOMES PER ACRE.

53 HOMES ON 37 ACRES. THE LOTS ARE A MINIMUM OF 12,000 SQUARE FEET IN AREA AND THEY ARE 90 FEET WIDE.

WHILE SIMILAR POCKETS OF LESS DENSE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL EXISTS IN NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS, THE SURROUNDING AREA IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY INCLUDE HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AND INCLUDE HOMESITES THAT RANGE FROM APPROXIMATELY 6300 SQUARE FEET. AND 45 FEET WIDE TO APPROXIMATELY 85 FEET WIDE ALONG THE SHARED PARAMETER.

THOSE HOMES, WHILE YOU CANNOT SEE THEM VERY CLEARLY, THEY ARE LOCATED HERE. WE WILL HAVE A BETTER PREPARED EXHIBIT FROM THE COMMITTEE ALONG THOSE THREE PARAMETERS AND THERE SHOULD BE ALLEYS RUNNING PARALLEL WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINES. THE WIN ONE HAS BALANCE DENSITY ALONG WITH LOT SIZE WITH OPEN SPACE AND APPROPRIATE HOME CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. NO MAXIMIZATION OF DENSITY IS PROPOSED. IN FACT, IF IT DEVELOPMENT FOR FOUR -- THE CLAYSHIRE SITE WOULD TO MATCH HOMES PER ACRE AS REPORTED IN SEVERAL THE TRANSMITTALS, 36 ADDITIONAL LOTS WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED TO THIS PROPOSAL.

THE RESULT WILL BE A COMMUNITY OF 89 LOTS AND NOT 53 ON 37 ACRES THAT WOULD EQUAL THE 2.4 HOMES PER ACRE AND MATCH THE DENSITY WITHIN THE VILLAGE. THAT IS WITHIN THE OVERALL APPROXIMATELY 700 ACRES WITHIN THE VILLAGE.

THAT IS THE NUMBER TWO BREAKER THAT HAS BEEN REPORTED IN SEVERAL LETTERS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT HAS BEEN REPORTED IN ERROR. BUT THE PROPOSAL HERE IS FOUR HOMES PER ACRE AND THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 150 HOMES.

NEARLY 90 MORE THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

SO THAT CAME OUT EARLY IN TRANSMITTALS.

THAT WAS REPEATED IN OTHER TRANSMITTALS, THE CONCERN ABOUT DENSITY. WE WANTED TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT REGARDING DENSITY. DON'T TAKE IT FROM ME.

I COMMUNICATED WITH STAFF EARLIER TODAY.

STAFF CONFIRMED THE NUMBERS I SHARED WITH YOU, THOSE NUMBERS REGARDING DENSITY, HOW IT IS CALCULATED BY THE CITY OF CARMEL REGARDING DENSITY, ARE ACCURATE AND IN PLACE TODAY.

THIS IS A DETAIL OF THE BUFFER. ONE OF THE TWO AREAS ALONG THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS THE EAST PROPERTY LINE.

YOU SEE THE PROPOSED LOTS HERE. THESE ALL REPRESENT INDIVIDUAL HOMES WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY.

THE GREAT LINE ALONG THE SHARED PERIMETER IS THE ALLEY WHICH EXISTS APPROXIMATELY 5-10 FEET FROM THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE.

REGARDING LANDSCAPING ALONG THE SHARED PERIMETER, THE UDO REQUIRES NO BUFFERS BETWEEN INDIVIDUAL SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. I WANT TO REPEAT THAT.

IT IS INTENTIONAL. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING A BUFFER BETWEEN SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE, IN THIS CASE, THE PROPOSED LOTS ARE NOT DOUBLE THE SIZE BUT NEARLY DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE ADJOINING LOTS ON THE ADJACENT AREA.

HOWEVER, MI IS PROPOSING ENHANCEMENTS TO THE LANDSCAPING AS NOTED HERE. FOR THE EVERGREENS AND SHRUBS PER 100 FEET. THE LOTS ARE 90 FEET WIDE.

A LOT OF THE LOTS ARE SPLIT OUT OF THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE CURBING ROAD. SO THEY ARE ABOUT 80-90 FEET WIDE IN GENERAL. THAT IS APPROXIMATELY AN ADDITIONAL FIVE TREES AND EIGHT SHRUBS ALONG THE SHARED PERIMETER. THESE ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS WILL SCREEN THE ALLEY FROM VIEW AND D CREATE A MORE VISIBLE MARKER BETWEEN THE YARDS AND THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS REGARDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING ACCESSIBILITY OF THE ALLEY FROM THE ADJOINING PARCELS. THERE IS NOTHING WE ARE GOING TO DO, TO MONITOR WHAT MIGHT BE REFERRED TO AS TRESPASS ON THE ALLEY. BUT WE DON'T THINK THAT A WALL OR OFFENSE IS SOMETHING THAT IS APPROPRIATE BETWEEN

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REGARDING AMENITIES SHOWN HERE AND ON YOUR CONCEPT PLAN, OUR WATER FEATURES IN TWO OUTDOOR GATHERING AREAS.

ONE IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHERN AREA OF THE COMMUNITY WHICH WILL INCLUDE A GAZEBO WITH TABLES TO PROVIDE A SHADED SEATING AREA WITH VIEWS OF THE POND. THE POND LOCATED HERE.

THE GAZEBO AS PLANNED IS SHOWN HERE.

LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE STREET. THE OTHER GATHERING AREAS ARE LOCATED ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE AND WILL INCLUDE A SEATING AREA. THOUGHTFULLY, THE DESIGN LANDSCAPING AND COMMUNITY FIRE PIT.

AGAIN, PASSIVE AMENITIES ARE PROPOSED.

THE CLAYSHIRE TRACTOR TO SIX REQUIRES 8 ACRES OF COMMON SPACE WHICH REPRESENT APPROXIMATELY 20% OF THE OVERALL SITE.

STAFF HAS REQUESTED A MINIMUM OF 20 5% OPEN SPACE AND CONSIDERATION OF A COMMUNITY PLAYGROUND.

THOSE ARE BOTH ITEMS THAT MI IS EVALUATING IN TERMS OF REPOSITIONING SOME OF THE OPEN SPACE AS WELL AS THE OTHER ADJUSTMENTS AND ACCOMMODATING REQUESTS FOR A PLAYGROUND.

THE ARCHITECTURAL VISION FOR CLAYSHIRE WAS DEVELOPED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH STUDIO MI ARCHITECTURE PLANNING AND CONFIRMED ALMOST EVERYONE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS FAMILIAR AND CAREFULLY GUIDED THE ARCHITECTURAL VISION TO BLEND THE DESIGN INFLUENCES THAT HARMONIZE WITH DEVELOPMENTS AND RESULTS IN COHESIVE STATE WITHIN CLAYSHIRE TO CREATE A VISUAL HOMES WILL BE BUILT ON SPACIOUS LOTS AND FEATURE TIMELESS ARCHITECTURE, QUALITY, FORESIGHTED DETAILING IS INCLUDED AS WELL AS SIDELOADING GARAGE REQUIREMENTS ON ALL HOMES. ALL HOME DESIGNS AND ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS ARE GOVERNED BY SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURE REQUIREMENTS. THOSE ARE IN QUITE A -- INCLUDED IN THE PUD. WE WILL HAVE THE ARCHITECT AVAILABLE TO WALK THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH THOSE AND ADDRESS ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THE PLANNING

COMMISSION HAS. >> THE HOME PORTFOLIO IS BEING THOUGHTFULLY DEVELOPED FOR THE SITE AND WILL FEATURE A VARIETY OF ONE, AND TWO FAMILY FLOOR PLANS INCLUDING REQUIRED FINISHED BASEMENTS ON ALL HOMESITES THAT COULD SUPPORT THEM. I THINK THAT IS A CONDITION, OR A REQUIREMENT IN THE PUD AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE HAVE NOT COMMITTED TO THAT STANDARD.

THAT STANDARD CONTRIBUTES TO THE ANTICIPATED AVERAGE SALE PRICE.

SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL RANGE BETWEEN 4000-5000 SQUARE FEET.

BASED ON THE PROPOSED HOME SIZES, THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS DESCRIBE MI AND PRICES RANGE BETWEEN 900, AND 1.3 MILLION WITH AN AVERAGE SALE PRICE ABOVE 1.2 MILLION.

MI DOES NOT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THE INDIANAPOLIS MARKET AT THIS PRICE POINT. THEY HAVE NOT FOUND A PARCEL THAT WARRANTS THAT INVESTMENT. THAT INVESTMENT IS AT THIS LOCATION. AND THERE ARE OTHER AREAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WHERE MI PARTICIPATES IN HOME CONSTRUCTION AT THESE VALUES. WE WERE ASKED AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE.

WE WILL PROVIDE IT TO STAFF AND PROVIDE IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE YOUR COMMITTEE MEETING.

THERE IS A LOCATION IN ILLINOIS IN DOWNERS GROVE AS WELL AS ANOTHER LOCATION IN OHIO THAT WE CAN DIRECT YOU TO THAT HAS PRICES IN THE CATEGORY. YOU ARE WELCOME TO VISIT THOSE WEBSITES TO GAIN INFORMATION FROM THAT AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DERIVE MORE INPUT AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

>> COLLECTIVELY, THE DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN CLAYSHIRE WILL CONTRIBUTE TO A STRONG SENSE OF PLACE.

IT WILL ALSO RESULT IN A THRIVING RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT. ON A DENSITY STANDPOINT, CLAYSHIRE IS LESS DENSE AT 1.4 HOMES PER ACRE THAN THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND IN PARTICULAR, THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY, AS EVIDENCE. MI IS COMMITTED TO CREATING LANDSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS THAT WILL SCREEN THE ADJACENT ALLEY ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE LIKE NUMEROUS SUBDIVISIONS SURROUNDING THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY, MI IS PROVIDING PASSIVE AMENITIES AN APPROPRIATE BALANCE WITH LARGER LOTS AND OPEN SPACE.

THE HOME PRODUCT PROPOSED BY MI HAD AN AVERAGE OF 1.2 MILLION AND WILL SUPPORT EXISTING PROPERTY VALUES.

IT WILL ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO THE VARIETY OF BOTH CUSTOM AND LARGER VOLUME BUILDER CONSTRUCTION THAT EXISTS NOT ONLY WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY BUT THROUGHOUT WESTERN CLAY TOWNSHIP. DRAINAGE AND TRAFFIC SAFETY ARE ALWAYS TOP OF MIND. MI WILL CONTINUE TO COORDINATE

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THERE IS ONE CAVEAT. A CAVEAT THAT I'M SURE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL RECOGNIZE AND STAFF INCLUDED IN THE REPORT. MI IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE STREET CONNECTION BETWEEN MEETINGHOUSE ROAD AND CLAYSHIRE.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE NEIGHBORS MAY OFFER YOU OPINIONS REGARDING THE BUT MI IS NOT PROPOSING A CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO ROADS. IT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. YOU WILL SEE IT.

IT IS A POLICY DECISION ULTIMATELY WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT ONE THAT MI IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AND WE ARE NOT SURE -- THE DISCUSSION WILL COME HER -- OCCUR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL AND ULTIMATELY A DECISION WILL BE MADE ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT ACTION IS WARRANTED BY THE CITY. WE ALSO HAVE REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT AFTER THE MEETING AND WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO ADDRESS COMMENTS. ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED BEFORE TONIGHT'S MEETING, WHICH WE READ ALL 40 PLUS LETTERS COMMENTED TO YOU ON SOME OF THE INFORMATION INCLUDED IN THOSE.

AND AS WELL, COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. WE WILL BE BACK ON OCTOBER 6TH FOR A COMMITTEE MEETING. IF WE ARE NOT PREPARED AT THAT POINT ON THE SIXTH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE NEIGHBORS TO CALL THE CITY JUST TO CONFIRM WE ARE ON SCHEDULE.

IF IT WAS NOT AT THE OCTOBER 6TH MEETING, IT WILL BE AT THE FIRST MEETING OF NOVEMBER. AND WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE AND BE GLAD TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AGAIN, NOW OR AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BY A SHOW OF HANDS, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR A POSITION OF THIS PETITION? OKAY, GREAT. WHAT WE WILL DO IS EACH PERSON WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

I WILL HAVE YOU COME UP ONE AT A TIME TO THE PODIUM AND IF WE CAN HAVE ONE PERSON DOES ONE PERSON SPEAKING AND THE NEXT PERSON READY TO SPEAK, IF THEY CAN STAND BEHIND SO IT WILL MOVE MORE QUICKLY. WE HAVE LIGHTS UP THERE.

AND RICK WILL RUN THE TIMER. AND SO, IT GOES GREEN, YELLOW AND RED. YELLOW IS A WARNING AND RED IS TIME TO WRAP IT UP. WE WILL START HERE.

PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. STATE YOUR NAME AND GENERALLY WHERE YOU LIVE AND I THINK THE MICROPHONE IS ALREADY ON FOR YOU. SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD.

AND IF THE NEXT PERSON CAN SORT OF BE STANDING AND WAITING IN THE WINGS SO TO SPEAK, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

GO AHEAD. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> I'M A RESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY FOR 21 YEARS.

MY WIFE AMY AND FOUR KIDS HAVE GROWN UP THERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN SAY EVERYTHING I WANT TO SAY IN THREE MINUTES. SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL INDULGE ME A LITTLE BIT. EINSTEIN HAD A GREAT COMMENT THAT THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE. I THINK THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OBJECTING TO THIS NONSENSE. NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM NUMBER ONE, TO NUMBER TWO NUMBER TWO AR THREE.

IT IS ALL THE SAME. WHEN ATTEMPT BY MR. STOUT BY NUMBER ONE HAPPENED, I CALLED HIM AND OFFERED TO PAY WHAT THE DEVELOPER WAS PAYING HIM FOR THIS PROJECT.

I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING AROUND 10, 15 MILLION.

AND HE SAID, DON'T CALL ME AGAIN AND HUNG UP.

HE HAS NO INTEREST IN MY OPINION OF WORKING WITH THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY BECAUSE OF PERSONAL ISSUES BETWEEN HIM AND GEORGE SWEET AND TOM HOUSTON WHO DEVELOPED THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. AND WHEN IT IS PERSONAL, ALL THE SUDDEN, WE GET THIS KIND OF TRASH.

AND I'M SORRY. IT'S RIDICULOUS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE VILLAGE -- WHEN WE LOOK AT CARMEL IN GENERAL AND YOU PICK UP A NEWSPAPER AND YOU LOOK AT ALL THE MAYORS AND IN THE PAST LEADERSHIP, LIKE YOURSELVES, MAKING CARMEL SOMEPLACE SPECIAL. WHEN WE READ ABOUT THAT, THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY IN MY OPINION IS SORT OF THE FLAGSHIP.

IS THERE A COMMUNITY IN CARMEL THAT IS BETTER THAN THIS? WE HAVE -- MEL PASSED AWAY BUT MEL AND ASSIGNMENT -- SIMON BUILT THERE. HALF OWNER OF THE PACERS.

ADAM TERRY LIVED THERE. MOST POPULAR GUY IN TOWN ON HALLOWEEN. HE GAVE AWAY SIGNED AUTOGRAPHED FOOTBALLS FROM THE COLTS TEAM FOR HALLOWEEN GIFTS.

WE HAVE AN UNUSUAL COMMUNITY. WHEN I BOUGHT IN THEIR 20 SOME ODD YEARS AGO, IT WAS $110 A SQUARE FOOT.

THAT IS WHAT I PAID. NOW IF I SOLD MY HOUSE AND I DON'T WANT TO, BUT IF I SOLD MY HOUSE NOW, IT IS OVER $300 A

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ONE OF THE LAKES, THE FAR LIKE, SOMEBODY HAD -- IT WAS AN EYE SURGEON. I FORGET HIS NAME.

HE SOLD THAT ACREAGE BACK IN THERE.

THEY LITERALLY BULLDOZED A 10,000, 15,000 SQUARE-FOOT HOME TO MAKE ROOM FOR ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX HOMES BACK THERE ALONG THE LAKE. YOU ALMOST CRIED BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY A 10-YEAR-OLD HOUSE. IT IS AN UNUSUAL PLACE.

YOU PUT THIS COMMUNITY IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

IT IS NOT ON THE OUTSKIRTS. IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF US.

WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE AND MORE CRIME.

THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY PAYS FOR SECURITY.

WE PAY PRIVATE CARMEL POLICE OFFICERS TO COME AND DO WHAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE AMENITIES.

THREE POOLS AND THREE WORKOUT FACILITIES AND TENNIS COURTS.

YOU NAME IT. I SEE MY TIME IS THAT.

I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING IF I CAN BUT LET ME JUST PROPOSE SOMETHING TO YOU. EMINENT DOMAIN THIS THING.

THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY WILL PAY EVERY DOLLAR THAT IT COSTS THE CITY TO BUY IT, WHICH WILL BE 10,000, 15,000 AN ACRE.

LET'S SAY $500,000. WE WILL PAY $500,000 FOR YOU TO EMINENT DOMAIN THIS THING AND TURN IT INTO A PARK.

WE WILL EVEN PAY FOR THE UPKEEP. WE WILL MOW IT.

WE WILL PUT THE PARK FACILITIES IN.

THAT WAS THE IDEA THE FIRST TIME ALL OF THIS HAPPENED.

AND BECAUSE THE WHOLE THING KIND OF DIED AND DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.

BUT THAT IS THE BEST POSSIBLE USE OF THIS PROPERTY.

TO PARK IT. THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE HAD LETTERS ABOUT ALL THE DENSITY PROBLEMS. IT TOOK ME 15 MINUTES TO GET HERE BY THE WAY, JUST BECAUSE OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT HOOVER ROAD WHERE I LIVE AT 116TH IS CLOSED. YOU ADD ALL THESE PEOPLE.

YOU HAVE NOT SEEN TRAFFIC ON TOWNE ROAD AT 116TH STREET UNTIL

YOU APPROVE THIS. >> LET'S WRAP IT UP.

THANK YOU. >> STEVE HILBERT, SCOTT JONES, BEAUTIFUL HOMES ON 116TH STREET. COST 20-$30 MILLION.

THEY WENT BANKRUPT AND THEY SOLD AT AUCTION FOR 3 MILLION EACH.

MR. SCOTT HAS THE SAME PROBLEM. HIS HOME IS A MUSEUM PIECE.

IT PROBABLY IS INSURED FOR 15, $20 MILLION.

BUT NOBODY ON EARTH WILL PAY THAT AMOUNT FOR THAT HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS HIS 15, OR $20 MILLION AND IT IS A HOUSE THAT HE LIKES. IF I HAVE $50 MILLION FOR A HOME, I'M GOING TO BUILD THE ONE I LIKE.

SO HE CAN PUT THAT HOUSE UP FOR SALE AND IN 100 YEARS, IT WILL NEVER SELL FOR THAT. WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO? HE HAS TO ORGANIZE THIS KIND OF TRASH TO DEVELOP 40 ACRES TO JUSTIFY THE FACT. AND I HEARD NO COMMENT ABOUT THIS TONIGHT. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH THIS HOME. AND THAT IS THE BIG ISSUE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. >> I APPRECIATE THE EXTRA TIME.

>> NEXT, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF?

>> THANK YOU. >> I WILL BE GLAD TO.

I'M STEPHEN MOORE. I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. THAT EVENING.

JUST TO DOVETAIL OFF WHAT CURTIS SAID, I BELIEVE AT THE END OF THE PROPOSAL, MR. STOUT WAS ADVISED BY A CERTAIN CITY CERTAL MEMBERS, I BELIEVE THERE WERE THREE, DO NOT PROVIDE FURTHER PROPOSALS UNLESS HE HAD THE ENGAGEMENT AND SUPPORT OF THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. HE CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT.

HERE WE GO AGAIN. I WANT TO COME BACK TO THE SITE

MAP IF I COULD, PLEASE. >> THAT'S GOOD.

>> THIS IS THE MAP. I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SITE SO MUCH AS THE SURROUNDING AREA WHICH HAS BEEN POINTED OUT ON ALL SIDES AS ONE. I KNOW YOU DIMINISHED THE SMALLER LOT SIZES IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET PICKY, WE COULD START TALKING ABOUT REMOVING A MANSION AND 5 ACRES SURROUNDING IT.

THE PARK. AND YOUR SITE.

I DON'T THINK YOU WILL COME UP WITH THE SAME RATIOS.

>> PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO US.

THE PETITIONER WILL RESPOND AFTER ALL OF THE COMMENTS

OCCURRED. >> I GUESS, SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES REALLY CAREFUL ATTENTION, BECAUSE OF THIS IS DONE WRONG, AND WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE BUILT IN THIS PRICE RANGE AGAIN.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE AN EXPERIMENT BUT COULD NOT JUST

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SO I WANT TO SEE WHAT JUSTIFICATION WARRANTS SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASING THE DENSITY OF THIS ONE PARCEL.

I DON'T KNOW. SECOND CHART.

THIS IS REAL. THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY.

I COULD FLIP A COIN AND HIT EITHER DEVELOPMENT.

I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THERE IS NO SEPARATION.

THERE IS NONE. AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT.

FIVE OR SIX OR HALF DOZEN BUSHES COME FROM TWO OR 3 FEET HIGH.

PEOPLE WILL WALK STRAIGHT OUT OTHER PROPERTIES RIGHT INTO THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. THEY HAVE NO AMENITIES.

WELL, THEY HAVE A PICNIC TABLE FOR 400 PEOPLE.

THAT WILL BE NICE IN FEBRUARY. AND A FIRE PIT FOR 400 PEOPLE.

THAT WILL BE NICE IN JULY. THE REST OF IT, THERE ARE THREE PLAYGROUND PARKS IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY.

WITHIN STEPS OF THAT, THE LAKES AND THE TRAILS ON THE POLLS AND THE TENNIS COURTS AND ALL OF THE REST OF IT.

THE IMPLICATION IS, WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE BUT IT IS RIGHT OVER THERE. THE OTHER QUESTION, WHY WOULD ANYBODY SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS DOLLARS -- IS A THREE MINUTES?

>> YES. >> WHY WOULD ANYBODY SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS TO BUILD IN A COMMUNITY WITH NO AMENITIES? THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES. HAS ANYONE LOOKED AT THOSE.

A LOT OF WATER BACK THERE. DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT.

SOMEBODY ELSE WILL. IMAGINE THAT IS 25-40% OF ALL TREES ON THE PROPERTY. I THOUGHT YOU DIDN'T WANT MORE THAN 15% REMOVED. FINALLY, GREEN SPACE, 20%.

THEY COME AND WITH THAT ALL THE TIME.

I HAVE SEEN THEM DO THAT HERE BEFORE.

20 5% IS WHAT THE EDO SAYS AND I SUGGEST WE MIGHT WANT TO COME BACK WITH 30% IN ORDER TO PUT IN ENOUGH GROUND FOR THE AMENITIES THEY NEED TO MAKE THIS A REALISTIC PROPOSAL.

WE DON'T TALK TO MR. STOUT. YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO TALK TO US. THIS IS NOT ABOUT MONEY.

THIS IS ABOUT HARD FEELINGS. HOW ABOUT A COMPROMISE.

WE WILL PUT TOGETHER A COMPROMISE.

NO ONE ELSE HAS DONE THAT. HOW ABOUT SOMEWHAT LOWER DENSITY PLAN WITH LARGE LOTS. MEANINGFUL OPEN SPACE AND STRONGER BUFFERING. CLEARLY DEFINED ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WHILE CREATING A BETTER TRANSITION BETWEEN THE EXISTING SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

REZONING IS PERMANENT. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER IF THE PROPOSAL IS THE BEST REASON ON FOR LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT PLANNING FOR WAS TRENDY AND THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY AND ALL THE DIRECT IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA. AT THIS POINT, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE PROPOSAL TO BE REVISED BEFORE FOR THE CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW IT IS HARD TO STICK WITH THREE MINUTES. IF WE COULD, PLEASE TRY.

THE RULES AND PROCEDURES ARE A TOTAL OF 20 MINUTES.

WE GO WAY PAST THAT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

BUT IF YOU CAN TRY TO STAY WITH THREE MINUTES, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> I WILL DO MY BEST.

MY NAME IS BOB RICHMAN. I'M A RESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY AND I'M ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS THERE.

AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR 12 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN THE TREASURER FOR 10. I HAVE TWO REMARKS I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THIS EVENING. PRIMARILY, STARTING WITH EIGHT YEARS AGO, YOU APPROVED CLAY CORNERS.

WE HAD SOME OPPOSITION WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT WHICH WAS JUST TO THE EAST OF US. PRIMARILY WAS THE STREETS WOULD BE CONNECTED AND COMING INTO THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY.

THAT WENT THROUGH AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL BELIEVED IN WHAT WAS CALLED CONDUCTIVITY, CONTINUITY BETWEEN THE SUBDIVISIONS AND SO FORTH.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. MY PROPOSAL -- MY QUESTION TO YOU NOW IS, THIS PROPOSAL IS ACTUALLY TWO SUBDIVISIONS.

YOU HAVE SIX HOMES ON A DRIVEWAY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLOT PLAN. I'M SORRY THAT I DON'T HAVE A LOOK AT THE PLOT PLAN. SIX HOMES THAT LEAD UP TO WHAT I CALL THE WHITE ELEPHANT BECAUSE AS THE PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN SAID, THEY HAVE SAID NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE STOUT MANSION. SIX HOMES THERE.

AND IT COMES OUT AND EXITS ONTO TOWNE ROAD NORTHBOUND ONLY.

THAT LEAVES 47 HOMES OVER HERE THAT ARE STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND THEY HAVE ONE EXIT ONLY.

THOSE TWO SUBDIVISIONS ARE NOT CONNECTED IN ANY WAY.

I ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PLEASE LIVE UP TO YOUR STANDARDS AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH CONDUCTIVITY AND CONTINUITY BETWEEN SUBDIVISIONS. THE SIX HOMES ON THE RIGHT, CANNOT GET OVER TO THE 47 ON THE LEFT AND VICE VERSA.

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AND HERE IS WHY. I LIVE IN THE VILLAS WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THERE ARE 53 HOMES IN THERE.

2500-3500 SQUARE FEET. THEY ARE ALL OVER 55.

I JUST BARELY MADE THAT CUT OFF. THE FAIR MARKET VALUE IS ABOUT $1 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE PAY EXTRA FEES. WE HAVE LANDSCAPING AND SNOW REMOVAL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. NOW, SINCE I HAVE BEEN THERE, THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE ARE NOW INUNDATED WITH REALTORS WITH TEXT MESSAGES, WITH PEOPLE PUTTING THINGS IN OUR MAILBOX THAT I'M INTERESTED IN BUYING YOUR HOME.

AND COULD YOU SELL IT? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE? PLEASE CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY. WE HAVE ALL HAD THESE IN OUR MAILBOXES AND IN OUR TEXT MESSAGES.

YOU ARE PROBABLY THINKING, BOB, THAT IS A BUNCH OF TRASH.

THAT IS A REALTOR TRYING TO PUMP HIS CLIENT BASE UP.

LET ME GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES AND I WILL BE DONE.

ONE YEAR AGO, FIVE HOUSES DOWN FROM ME, A TUCKER REALTOR PUT A SIGN IN THE YARD SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE AN OPEN HOUSE SUNDAY. THE OPEN HOUSE HAPPENED AND THERE WERE OVER 20 PEOPLE THERE. THEY HAD SIX OFFERS.

THE HOUSE SOLD THE NEXT MORNING FOR OVER $100,000 OVER ASKING.

THAT WAS JUST ONE HOUSE. SINCE THAT TIME A YEAR AGO, WE HAVE NOW HAD -- AND THE OWNER OF THAT HOUSE IS A 55-YEAR-OLD THAT WANTED TO RELOCATE FROM A LARGER HOUSE IN CARMEL.

SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE HAD FOUR ADDITIONAL SALES.

NO REAL ESTATE AGENT WAS INVOLVED EXCEPT FOR THE CLOSING.

THEY DID NOT POST SIGNS OR HAVE ANY OPEN HOUSE.

THEY SOLD ALL FOUR OF THEM IN WORD-OF-MOUTH CONNECTIONS.

AND THIS CONTINUES TO BE THE TREND THAT WE HAVE WITH THE DEMAND FOR 55-YEAR-OLD HOMEOWNERS WANTING TO GET INTO AND DOWNSIZE. I THINK IT IS A DISSERVICE THAT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN DEVELOP THIS LAND RIGHT HERE. 1.2, 21.5 MILLION.

ABOUT 40-45 HOMES IN THERE. AND PUT THE AMENITIES THAT ARE

SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE. >> PLEASE WRAP IT UP.

THANK YOU. >> EXCELLENT POINT.

>> THE AMENITIES THAT THERE OFFERING ARE TRASH.

LET'S PUT A SWIMMING POOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR PICKLE BALL COURTS SO IT LOOKS LIKE A REAL HOMESTEAD THAT PEOPLE CAN

ENJOY. >> THANK YOU.

VERY GOOD POINT. >> NEXT PLEASE.

>> GOOD EVENING. JOHN KIRKWOOD.

I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY WITH MY LOVELY WIFE AND WE HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 21 YEARS. I HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THE LUCKY PEOPLE THAT LIVES ON SAND HOPE STREET WHICH IS BUFFERED ON THE NORTH SIDE BY THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

I DO TAKE ISSUE WITH THE GENTLEMAN HERE THAT MENTIONED WE DON'T NEED ANY BUFFERING. BASICALLY, THE BACKYARDS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH BY THE WAY, IF YOU HAVE EVER SEEN THE BACKYARD OF THE HOME, IT IS A CONCRETE SLAB WITH NO LANDSCAPING. THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT THEY DO.

THE FRONT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT NICE BUT THE BACK IS VERY BARE.

THEY HAVE NO ARCHITECTURAL -- I COULD HAVE A SHED LITERALLY SITTING NEXT TO MY PROPERTY. I OWN ACROSS FROM THE ALLEY ABOUT 6-8 FEET. THE ALLEY BY THE WAY AS A IS A PRIVATE ALLEY THAT WE PAY TO MAINTAIN WE PAVE IT.

WE MAINTAIN IT AND ET CETERA. THE NOTION THAT A BUFFER IS NOT NECESSARY IS FOOLS GOLD. THOSE KIDS WILL BE ATTRACTED TO THE PARKS AND THE WALKING TRAILS AND TENNIS COURTS AND BASKETBALL COURTS AND THE PIZZERIAS AND EATERIES AND ALL THE OTHER AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE BASICALLY CHERISHED TO MAKE NICE FOR OUR FAMILIES. I DO TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT NOTION. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION SOMETHING ELSE. I KNOW THAT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE. WHEN THERE IS HEAVY RAIN, NOT WATER THAT COMES OUT OF THE FIELD AND INTO THE ALLEY BEHIND MY HOUSE WILL COME UP LITERALLY ALMOST TO MY GARAGE DOOR.

AND SO THERE IS A SOUTH TO NORTH DRAINAGE PROBLEM.

IT IS NOT NORTH TO SOUTH LIKE THEY EXPLAINED AT THE MEETING HOUSE MEETING. IT IS A SOUTH TO NORTH DRAINAGE ISSUE. AT LEAST ON A GOOD PORTION OF THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. WITHOUT ANY VILLAGE OR DRAINAGE ISSUES. SO A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. THEY MENTIONED THAT THE AVERAGE HOME PRICE THEY THINK WILL BE $1.25 MILLION.

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MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND MORE OF THE LOW END THAN THE HIGH END BECAUSE A FAMILY CAN GET INTO A MORE AFFORDABLE HOME IN THE BOTTOM END AND THEN THEY WATCH THOSE PRICES RAISE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY COME UP WITH THE AVERAGE. BUT II THINK THAT IS PURE SPECULATION. BEYOND THAT, I WOULD SAY THIS.

WE HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT HAS KEPT THE VILLAGE BEAUTIFUL FOR 21 YEARS. THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.

THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT. WHEN THE BUILDER IS GONE, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR US.

WE HAVE KEPT OUR HOMES, VILLAGE AND AMENITIES NICE BECAUSE OF THAT. THEY WILL HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT. THAT COULD BE, LIKE I SAID, A SHED IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD OR WHATEVER.

I THINK YOU HAVE HEARD ENOUGH. WE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.

WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE STANDARDS LOWERED TO PERMIT THESE PEOPLE TO DO WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS MARY GERBER AND I'M PRESIDENT OF THE LAUREL LAKES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

I THINK I'M THE ONLY PERSON HERE FROM LAUREL LAKES AND I DO WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD. WE WISH THE PLAN WOULD BE A PLAN. WHEN I MOVED HERE FROM CALIFORNIA 13 YEARS AGO INTO MY S1 NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS 90 HOUSES ON 90 ACRES, OUR REALTOR SAID, THIS WHOLE AREA IS ZONED FOR ONE HOUSE BREAKER. GREAT.

AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAME OUT LESS THAN FOUR YEARS AGO.

AGAIN, THIS PARCEL IS ZONED AS ONE.

WE ARE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAVE A PLAN.

SO IT IS A LITTLE FRUSTRATING THAT THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I HAVE HAD TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IS TRYING TO HAPPEN TO THE S1 DESIGNATED AREA. SO OKAY.

I'M THEN IN THE LITERATURE THAT THEY GAVE US AND SAID IT IS A S2 NEIGHBORHOOD. YET, THEY ARE FAILING TO ADHERE TO THE STANDARDS OF S2 SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO THE LOT COVERAGE AND THE SIDE, FRONT AND BACKYARD SET BACK.

SO IT IS NOT EVEN S2. IT IS SOMETHING MORE DENSE THAN THAT. THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS, AGAIN YOU ARE THE EXPERTS HERE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS S2 ALLOWS THE EDU'S. SO IS THIS REALLY A 53 HOME NEIGHBORHOOD OR IS THIS GOING TO BE 106 HOMES ON THIS PLOT? AND REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY WITH THE EDU BEING ALLOWED IN TOO. AGAIN, WE WISH THE PLAN COULD BE THE PLAN AND THIS COULD BE S1 BUT I REALIZED TIMES CHANGE.

THE OTHER THING, AND I DID PUT THIS IN MY LETTER THAT YOU WILL RECEIVED, I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED THAT.

I INVITE YOU TO COME AND LEAVE LAUREL LAKES AT 8:00 ON ANY MONDAY MORNING OR ANY WEEKDAY MORNING.

I WAS TRYING TO GO TO THE GYMNASIUM LAST WEEK AND I WAS PULLING OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE TOWN ROAD TRYING TO GO SOUTH. NOT TRYING TO CUT ACROSS FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC. TWO OTHER CARS PILED UP BEHIND ME. IT WAS JUST A STEADY STREAM OR YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT BAD DECISION OF, DO I JUST GO FOR IT? BUT I KIND OF DON'T LIKE TO DO THAT. I ENVISION PEOPLE LIVING IN THE TWO SEPARATE SUBDIVISIONS SIDE-BY-SIDE.

EACH WITH ONLY ONE EGRESS AND INGRESS ROAD.

THEY WILL GO NORTHBOUND AT 126TH AND MAKE A UNIT.

UNITARY -- A U-TURN TO GO SOUTHBOUND.

BUT WHAT IF THEY ARE COMING HOME FROM WESTFIELD.

THEY WILL DRIVE ALL THE WAY PAST THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND GO TO 116TH AND GO TO THE ROUNDABOUT I HOPE.

NO. THEY PROBABLY WON'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE ROUNDABOUT. THE FIRST PLACE THEY CAN MAKE A U-TURN IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL MEDIAN IN THAT AREA.

CARMEL PUT TREES AND IT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE BEAUTIFUL TREE LINE MAINTAINS. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CAN COEXIST SAFELY WITH DEVELOPING THIS AREA THAT DUMPS OUT DIRECTLY ON TOWN ROAD. I THINK TO SUMMARIZE, KEEP THE PLAN A PLAN, PLEASE. IF THE PLAN WILL BE MODIFIED TO S2, KEEP IT A REAL S2 AND LET'S NOT MAKE A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO EVEN MORE DENSE THAN THAT. PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THE ADU'S IN THAT AREA BECAUSE I DON'T THINK TOWNE ROAD CAN SUPPORT IT AND PLEASE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I'M DAVID MORGAN.

I LIVE IN THE VILLAS AND I WILL BE VERY QUICK.

YOU TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPING ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE EAST SIDE. WHAT ABOUT THE SOUTH SIDE? I BROUGHT THAT UP AND IT WAS KIND OF BLOWN OFF LAST TIME AT THE VILLAGE. WE NEED LANDSCAPING ON THE SOUTH SIDE ALO. ONE OF THE GENERAL AND SAID THERE ARE TREES THERE BUT THEY ARE NOT ANYMORE.

THEY ARE ALL BLOWN DOWN. WE NEED LANDSCAPING ON THE SOUTH SIDE. NOT JUST THE NORTH SIDE AND THE EAST SIDE. AND THE OTHER POINT AND I THINK

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AND EXCUSE ME, THE BARN. WE HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING THAT STAYING AS THAT IS. THERE WILL BE THE BARN TAKEN DOWN SOME TIME OR THEY WON'T SELL THE HOUSE.

MORE HOMES WILL BE PUT ON THAT IF THEY WOULD TEAR THE OLD HOUSE DOWN. I HAVE A BIG CONCERN OVER WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU DON'T VERY OFTEN SEE STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF A LARGE PROPERTY LIKE THAT. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> HELLO.

MY NAME IS DEE FOX AND I LIVE SOUTH ON TOWN ROAD FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT HERE FOR MANY MANY YEARS.

AND ONE THING I HAVE NOTICED THAT IS HAPPENING MORE AND MORE OFTEN IS THAT PROPOSALS ARE ALWAYS A LUXURY DEVELOPMENT AND THEY AREN'T OFFERING WHAT MOST HE WOULD CONSIDER TO BE TRUE AMENITIES. AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PICTURE OF THIS AND THE AMENITIES, I'M SORRY BUT I LEFT.

IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO GATHER THEIR. HAVING A PLACE TO SIT OR ONE FIREPLACE OR ONE FIRE PIT OR ONE GAZEBO, THAT IS JUST NOT ENOUGH.

AND I THINK THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY IS JUSTIFIED IN WORRYING ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL USE THEIR AMENITIES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THEM. AND ESPECIALLY FOR THE PRICE TAGS ON THOSE. THEY SHOULD HAVE WONDERFUL AMENITIES. AND THE GREEN SPACE, IT IS HARD TO TELL HOW MUCH THERE IS BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT.

AND I THINK THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC ON THE TOWN ROAD ARE HIGHLY JUSTIFIED. EVER SINCE THEY PUT IN THE ROUNDABOUT ON 116TH STREET, I HAVE TROUBLE GETTING OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD ON TO TOWN ROAD. AND THEN THINGS BUILD UP NORTH ON TOWNE ROAD AND IT GOT EVEN WORSE.

AND FOR EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT BRINGS IN A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THE TOWNE ROAD, TOWNE ROAD IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT AND DEFINITELY. I WAITED FIVE MINUTES AT THE ENTRANCE OF TOWN ROAD TONIGHT JUST TO GET HERE.

IT WAS JUST BUMPER-TO-BUMPER TRAFFIC IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

TRAFFIC DOESN'T STOP BECAUSE OF THE ROUNDABOUT.

SO I THINK A TRAFFIC STUDY IS WARRANTED TOO.

I THINK THAT THE DRAINAGE PONDS, I KNOW THEY ARE ALWAYS CONSIDERED TO BE AMENITIES. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE. THEY ARE REQUIRED FOR A PURPOSE AND IN MOST CASES, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THEM.

IF HE COULD SKATE ON THEM OR SWIM ON THEM, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT BUT YOU CAN'T. MAKING LARGE DRAINAGE PONDS COUNT AS A LARGE PORTION OF AMENITIES DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. SO, I GUESS, I THINK WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE LUXURY HOMES, GIVEN THE HOUSING STUDY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS JACKIE PHILLIPS AND I'M A RESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY.

I HAD ALWAYS ASSUMED THIS PROPERTY WOULD EVENTUALLY BE DEVELOPED. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT BUT I DO BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD STAND BEHIND THE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS, PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IT HAS ESTABLISHED RATHER THAN SETTING THEM ASIDE TO ACCOMMODATE INDIVIDUAL PROPOSALS.

I ALSO ANTICIPATED COMPARISONS TO BE MADE TO THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY SUCCEEDS BECAUSE THE AREA OF HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY DESIGNED AROUND BALANCE.

THE COMMUNITY CONTAINS MORE THAN 171 ACRES OF PRESERVED OPEN SPACE. NEARLY 10 MILES OF WALKING TRAILS, NUMEROUS PARKS, LAKES, VILLAGE GREENS, RECREATIONAL AMENITIES AND A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES.

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WHAT WAS AT ONE TIME PRIMARILY LOCAL ROAD HAS INCREASINGLY BECOME AN NORTH AND SOUTH OF THROW.

WITH MORE TRAFFIC PASSING EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. ANOTHER 53 HOMES, ALTHOUGH MAY NOT OVERWHELM TOWNE ROAD, I THINK IT IS PRECISELY WHY THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT MATTERS. AND SO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE INDISCERNIBLE ] TO BE INCLUDED. LASTLY, THE PROPERTY IS HERE FOR A REASON. OF THE PROPERTY EXCEEDS THE DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE ZONING, THE QUESTION SHOULD BE WEATHER ZONING SHOULD CHANGE. NOT SIMPLY HOW THE PUD CAN BE ALLOWED. THE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS AND THE COMPETENCE OF CONFERENCE OFT TO GUIDE GROWTH.

THE NUMBERS HAVE REAL MEANING.

UPON THE EXISTING FRAMEWORK AND NOT BECOME AN AUTOMATIC INDISCERNIBLE ] TO IT. FOR THESE REASONS, I ASK THAT YOU TAKE OUR CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JENNIFER HELLMAN.

ON THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO ADD.

I THINK OUR RESIDENTS HAVE GIVEN YOU A LOT OF PASSIONATE COMMENTS COMMENTS. AND SOME VERY GOOD TECHNICAL COMMENTS AS WELL. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO LET EVERYONE HERE, WHO IS FROM THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY AND HAVE CONCERNS, EITHER STAND OR RAISE YOUR HAND SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN GIVE AN IDEA OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE THAT DO

HAVE CONCERNS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> GOOD NEWS. AND A VETERAN OF THESE MEETINGS AND OTHER CITIES AND I WILL KEEP IT SHORT.

THINK OF THE FUTURE. THE REASON YOU ARE HERE IS THE FUTURE. I HAVE BEEN A CARMEL RESIDENT LONG ENOUGH TO SEE A LOT OF GOOD PLANNING DECISIONS.

AND NOW THAT I'M IN THE HAMILTON COUNTY LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, I'M LEARNING ABOUT MISTAKES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IN HAMILTON COUNTY. LET'S GO FORWARD 100 YEARS.

WILL THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY STILL BE THERE? YES. I SAW THEM BUILD OUR HOUSE.

I HAVE BEEN TO PROJECTS. MY DAUGHTER BOUGHT INTO THE MI NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE VISITED MI NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE THREE AND FOUR YEARS OLD.

THEY WON'T BE HERE AND 100 YEARS.

MIGHT NOT BE HERE AND 50. SO YOUR ROLE IS TO KEEP US ON TRACK AND WITHIN THE GUARDRAILS. AND THE ZONING GUARDRAILS AND NOT TO PUT RETAIL UP AND DOWN 31.

THANK GOODNESS FOR WHOEVER THAT WAS.

YOU HAVE THE SAME POWER. MAKE A DECISION LOOKING 100 YEARS AHEAD AND YOU YOU'LL MAKEE RIGHT DECISION.

THANK YOU. >> COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME?

>> I'M KARO ALL RIGHT. I HAVE BEEN IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. I HAVE MOVED AROUND AND I ALSO WORKED IN CITY HALL. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU DO.

>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

>> AS USUAL, I WILL HAVE TO LOWER THE MICROPHONE.

>> I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY.

AND I'M GOING TO DO A SYNOPSIS. I WILL GO OVER WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID. ZONING IS SUPPOSED TO BE S1.

AND IS NOT WITHIN NOT ONLY OF THE VILLAGE BUT ON THE STREETS, OUTSIDE AND ON EVERY PART OF IT. AMENITIES.

WE ALREADY ARE CROWDED. AND WITH NO BARRIER, I CAN SEE THE KIDS WALKING OVER AND USING THE PARKS AND THE STREETS AND THE SCOOTERS AND JUST BEING ON THE STREETS, I'M HAVING TROUBLE DOES HAVING -- JUST DRIVING HOME AT 10 MILES AN HOUR BECAUSE THE KIDS ARE ON THE STREETS WITH THE SCOOTERS AND SOMETIMES THEY CAN DO 20 MILES AN HOUR, WHICH IS WHAT I'M ALLOWED TO DRIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. BUT I THINK THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO CAUSE MORE CONGESTION. AND ESPECIALLY THE AMENITIES.

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THE DRAINAGE ISSUE IS A TRUE ONE.

THERE IS DRAINAGE AS MENTIONED. FROM THE FIELDS AND INTO THE WALKWAYS AND INTO THE HOUSE IS. AND ALL THE VILLAGE EXISTING AND CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT ANY DRAINAGE CONTROL IS GOING TO CAUSE ISSUES. CARMEL DOES NOT STAND FOR CONGESTION. AND MI HOMES IS A GREAT BUILDER. I HAVE SOLD A LOT OF THEIR HOMES BUT I WILL SAY THAT I SELL IT TO INVESTORS LOOKING FOR A QUICK BUCK. THEY ARE NOT KNOWN FOR THEIR QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION. I'M SURE THEY CAN BUILD THAT EVENTUALLY BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT WE REQUIRE A BETTER PRODUCT. ESPECIALLY IN THE INDISCERNIBLE ] PARK.

KIND OF CONSTRUCTION AND IT IS SELLING.

BUT THOSE ARE 20-30-YEAR-OLD HOMES.

BUT I WILL SAY A HOUSE BUILT IN THE 1980S OR EARLIER, ANY DAY OVER

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, JOHN, I WILL TURN IT BACK TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE

COMMENTS YOU HEARD THIS EVENING. >> THANK YOU.

I WILL BE BRIEF. WE RECEIVE A LOT OF COMMENTS.

THOSE IN WRITING AND THOSE PRESENTED THIS EVENING.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S COMMENTS BEFORE WE RETURN TO RETURNED TO YOU AT COMMITTEE.

I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO THE QUALITY CONSTRUCTION OF MI HOMES. IT IS A BIG CONCERN.

MI HOMES IS A BUILDER THAT BUILDS NATIONALLY.

THEY ARE HELD TO THE SAME HIGH STANDARDS THAT EVERY HOME IS CONSTRUCTED IN. CARMEL IS HELD TO FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE AND POINT OF VIEW.

IT IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. THAT IS CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS AND NOT ARCHITECTURAL EXTERIOR, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, THAT ALL BUILDERS WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY ARE HELD TO.

THERE WILL BE AN HOA IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE WON'T BE ANY YARD BARNS. THOSE WILL BE PROHIBITED.

CONTROL COMMITTEE THAT WILL REGULATE HOA'S WITHIN THE CARMEL WITH REGARDS TO HOME CONSTRUCTION, THOSE SAME CHARACTERISTICS THAT I HEARD DESCRIBED THIS EVENING ARE CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO NEARLY ARE ACTUALLY OVER ONE OUT OF THREE HOMES WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. THE THREE BUILDERS HAVE COLLECTIVELY BUILT OVER 550 HOMES WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY AND THEY BUILT TO THE SAME STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS THAT MI HOMES BILLS -- BUILDS TO.

THERE ARE OTHER CUSTOM ELDERS THAT HAVE BUILT WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY AND THEY BUILD TO HIGH CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. IF THE BELIEF IS THAT THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY WOULD BE STANDING IN 100 YEARS, THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE STANDING IN 100 YEARS BECAUSE OF THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION IS THE SAME THAT MI LIVES OF 20, AS EVERY OTHER BUILDER HAS TWO AND NEARLY ONE THIRD OF THE BUILDES THAT BUILD LARGE VOLUME BUILDERS WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY, WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AND WE CAN SHARE THEM AT COMMITTEE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS IMPORTANT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND EVIDENCE. THERE ARE OTHER SMALL THINGS.

AND I'M THE PERSON WITH THE INFORMATION.

IT IS NOT AN EDITORIAL. LAURA WAKES IS NOT -- 90 HOMES ON 90 ACRES. IT IS ABOUT 70 ACRES IN SIZE SO IT IS ABOUT 1.3 HOMES PER ACRE. THAT IS JUST MOUTH.

I KNOW IT WAS ANNOUNCED IT IS ONE HOME PER 1 ACRE.

BUT WHEN PEOPLE COME UP AND AFFORD THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS, THEY SHOULD EXPECT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO UNDERSTAND THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND HAS INFORMATION TO BACK IT UP TO PROVIDE THAT TESTIMONY WHICH WE ARE HERE TO DO.

THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER COMMENTS WITH REGARD TO DENSITY.

IT HAS BEEN REPORTED BY THE NEIGHBORS AND NOBODY BROUGHT THAT UP. PROBABLY BECAUSE PERHAPS I MADE A CORRECTION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

FOUR HOMES PER ACRE. IF THE SITE WAS 20 ACRES, THAT WOULD BE 80 HOMES. THE SITE IS 37 ACRES.

IF WE NETTED OUT ALL THE COMMON AREA, THE EXISTING STOUT HOME,

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EVERY MAILING WE SENT OUT, WE IDENTIFIED THAT THIS OUTCOME WOULD REMAIN. I THINK MAYBE THE INDIVIDUAL THAT MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AND WE WERE NEVER TOLD, MAYBE THEY DID NOT GET A COPY OF THE MAILING.

AGAIN, 260 MAILINGS WENT OUT. EVERYONE IDENTIFIED THAT THE STOUT HOME WAS TO REMAIN ON ONE LOT.

WITH REGARD TO DENSITY, WE HAVE ALL THE DATA.

WE CAN SHARE IT WITH STAFF. THEY CAN SHARE WITH YOU.

THEY CAN SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC. IT IS MATH.

IT IS NOT, SHOULD BE INCLUDE THE STOUT HOME OR INCLUDE OR NOT INCLUDE THE PONDS. AT 2.4 HOMES PER ACRE, IT IS BASED ON RECORDS OF THE CITY. THAT BECOMES FOUR OR FIVE HOMES PER ACRE ACROSS THE ENTIRE VILLAGE BECAUSE WE NETTED OUT THE 170 ACRES OF COMMON AREA WHICH INCLUDE ALL THE PONDS AND INCLUDES ALL THE OTHER THINGS. THAT IS ALL MATH.

MATH -- ISN'T A COMMENT ABOUT, THIS IS TRASH AND THIS IS THE SAME AS OTHER PROPOSALS. WE WERE PRESENT TO PAST CLIENTS.

ONE WAS A 250-300 BUILD FOR RENT COMMUNITY.

THIS IS 58 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT AREN'T GOING TO PERMIT INDISCERNIBLE ]. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE THAT I THINK IT IS IS IDENTIFIABLE AND RECOGNIZABLE AND ISN'T THE SAME.

THE LAST PROPOSAL THAT WAS WITHDRAWN IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS FOR 150 HOMES.

THAT WAS A PRODUCT THAT WAS IN LINE WITH THE DENSITY WITHIN THE VILLAGE. THAT WAS WITHDRAWN.

150 HOMES. THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR 53 HOUSES ON THE 37 ACRES THAT I THINK WARRANTS EXPIRATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND SERIOUS CONSIDERATION AND IS NOT TRASH AND IS DIFFERENT FROM THE TWO PRIOR PROPOSALS ON ITS FACE.

WITHOUT MUCH INVESTIGATION. AND I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT AS IT WAS REPRESENTED DIFFERENTLY TO YOU THIS EVENING.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER MATTERS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

ONE IN PARTICULAR WAS WITH REGARD TO AMENITIES.

AND IT WAS COMMENTED THAT HOMES AT THIS PRICE POINT SHOULD DESERVE MORE. IT IS MY EXPERIENCE THROUGH THE 30 PLUS YEARS OF DOING THIS AND IN PARTICULAR IN THE CITY OF CARMEL, THAT THE HIGHER END AND HIGHER VALUE NEIGHBORHOODS, HOMES WITH PRICES THAT ARE UPWARDS OF $2 MILLION, DON'T INCLUDE ANY ACTIVE AMENITIES WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

THOSE HOMES ARE ON LOTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HAVE SWIMMING POOLS AND COULD PUT THEM ON THEIR OWN LOT.

ALTHOUGH LOTS HERE THAT ARE PROPOSED WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO HAVE THE CORRECT SIZE TO ALLOW FOR A SWIMMING POOL.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE AND ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS AND PERHAPS THAT IS WHY THE SMALLER LOTS WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY POOL. THOSE POOLS ARE KEY FOB ACCESS.

YOU CAN'T JUST WALK OVER AND USE THEM.

AND IF THE KIDS WALK FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY HAPPEN TO WALK THROUGH THE VILLAGE TO GO TO AN EATERY, THAT WAS THE BIGGEST COMMENT I HEARD WHERE I WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE.

NOBODY IN THE VILLAGE IS PAYING TO SUPPORT OR SUBSIDIZE THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE THERE AND EVERYONE IN WESTFIELD, CARMEL -- CARMEL OR ALL OF HAMILTON COUNTY OR WHEREVER THEY LIVE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE DINNER WITH IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY AT ANY OF THE RESTAURANTS.

THAT ONE WAS A COMMENT THAT TOOK ME BY SURPRISE.

AGAIN, WE TOOK SIGNIFICANT NOTES.

WE WILL COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AFTER WE HEAR FROM COMMENTS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING WE HEARD.

AGAIN, I THINK THIS PROJECT IS NOT TRASH AND IT DESERVES RECOGNITION FOR WHAT IT IS ON ITS FACE AND WE ARE HOPEFUL TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES THAT DO EXIST WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE GOING ON TO THE COUNCIL.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ALEXIA

FOR DEPARTMENT COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU.

FOR THE RECORD, ALEXIA LOPEZ WITH PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE.

AS WE HEARD, THIS PUD IS PROPOSED 137 ACRES AND REZONED FROM S1 RESIDENT TOLD TO 53 TOTAL FAMILY HOMES.

AS PART OF THE PUD PROCESS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HEAR THIS PROPOSAL AS WELL AS ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WHEN THE HEARING ON THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN HELD AND THERE ARE CHANGES MADE TO THE PUD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL VOTE AND IT WILL BE SENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THEY CAN VOTE IN FAVOR, UNFAVORABLE OR NO RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND WHEN IT GETS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE ULTIMATE DECISION FOR THE REASON.

IF THIS IS ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR PRIMARY APPROVAL TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUD. SO I WANTED TO GO OVER THAT PROCESS FOR EVERYBODY. THIS IS A RE- ZONE.

BECAUSE IT IS A REZONED, ONE OF THE ASPECTS WE LOOK AT IS THE COMPETENCE A PLAN COMPETENCY PLAN FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL WHICH HAS POLICIES AND GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT HAVE

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IT GUIDES VELTMAN TO PROTECT THE SIMILAR ADJACENT USES WITH RESPECT TO THE SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS.

SO LOOKING AT IF THEY ARE SIMILAR HEIGHTS, LIGHTING OR MAKING SURE THERE IS NOT OBTRUSIVE LIGHTING, NOISE OR OTHER INCOMPATIBLE ASPECTS. UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN SECTION OF THE PLAN, THIS AREA IS CLASSIFIED AS WEST NEIGHBORHOODS. WEST NEIGHBORHOODS ARE TYPICALLY SUBURBAN STYLE LIVING ON LARGE SUBDIVIDED LOTS AND CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS INCLUDE LOT SIZES FROM ONE EIGHTH OF AN ACRE UP TO FIVE PLUS ACRES. BUILDING COVERAGE BETWEEN 20 5%, TO 50% TWO A HALF STORY MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND THINGS LIKE FRONT YARDS, GARDENS, PORCHES, STOOPS AND THESE USES INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL USES WHICH THIS PROPOSAL IS EDUCATIONAL AND PARK USES. WE BELIEVE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MEETS MANY ASPECTS OF THE COMPETENCY PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USE, THE SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS, THE LOT SIZES AND THE SUBURBAN STYLE LIVING.

THERE IS ONE ASPECT THAT WE BELIEVE IT DOES NOT MEET SPECIFICALLY. JOHN MENTIONED EARLIER WITH RESPECT TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE COMP PLAN WHICH WE HAVE HAD THIS CONNECTION KIND OF SHOWN ON THERE FOR A LONG TIME IN THE PAST. THEY ARE NOT SHOWING THE STREET CONNECTION THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED FROM 126TH STREET ROUNDABOUT. AND THAT TOWNE ROAD TO THE SITE TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. SO WE ASKED FOR THAT AND FOR THE POND TO BE SHIFTED NORTH A LITTLE BIT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A FUTURE CONNECTION THERE.

AND THEN DIGGING INTO THE PUD STANDARDS THEMSELVES, THE EDO REQUIRES TWO POINTS OF ACCESS FOR SUBDIVISIONS OVER 15 LOTS.

THIS IS 53 LOTS. WE REQUESTED THE NORTHERNMOST ROAD BE CONNECTED TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND PERHAPS THERE COULD BE IN A TYPICAL DESIGN THAT WOULD REQUIRE ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE NORTH. THE HOMES IN THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE ON INTERIOR STREETS WITH SIDELOAD GARAGES.

THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS AND STREET TREES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AS REQUIRED. AS MENTIOED, 20% OF THE SITE WILL BE STANDARDS IN THE UDO. STORM WATER DRAINAGE IS PROPOSED TO BE ACCOMMODATED THROUGH THE TWO PONDS AND THE ENGINEERING APARTMENT HAS REQUESTED THE WATER RESOURCE SO WILL REPORT.

SOME OF THE STANDARDS IN THE PUD INCLUDE MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 20 FEET. SIDE YARDS ARE 20 -- 5 FEET AND 10 FEET AND THEN REAR YARDS A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET.

40% LOT COVERAGE IS PROPOSED FOR EACH LOT.

5-FOOT SIDEWALKS ARE PROPOSED IN THE PUD AND THE ENGINEERING ENGG DEPARTMENT REQUESTED A 6-FOOT SIDEWALK.

THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK REQUIRED FROM THE FRONT DOOR OF THE HOME OUT TO THE STREET WHICH IS SOMETHING WE ASKED FOR OTHER SUBDIVISIONS AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS A REDUCED FRONT YARD SETBACK WHICH CREATES A NICE STREETSCAPE AND WALKABILITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL HOMES WILL HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE PUD.

THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE WAINSCOT ON BOTH SIDES AND SIDE ELEVATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO CHANGE THE MATERIAL OR PATTERN TO HELP BREAK UP A LARGE EXPANSE OF SIDING.

THERE ARE OTHER STANDARDS IN THERE AS WELL REGARDING WINDOWS.

50% OF THE HOMES WILL HAVE A FRONT PORCH.

WE ASKED TO MAKE SURE IT IS A MINIMUM OF 6 FEET DEEP AND 30 SQUARE FEET TO BE FUNCTIONAL AND ACCOMMODATE FOR THE FRONT PORCHES. THERE ARE STANDARDS IN THE PUD WILL THAT WILL PREVENT EACH HOME FROM LOOKING THE SAME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ASKED FOR AN OPEN SPACE CONCEPT PLAN AS PART OF THE PUD TO SHOW HOW THEY WILL MEET THOSE OPEN SPACE STANDARDS AND THAT UDO AND HOW LARGE THE COMMON AREAS ARE.

WE HAVE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL AMENITIES AS WELL.

AS JOHN MENTIONED, PERHAPS A PLAYGROUND AREA FOR CHILDREN AND PERHAPS THE AREAS ARE LARGER AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE FAMILIES AS WELL AS ADDING AT LEAST 10 SHADE TREES PER AREA OF COMMON AREA TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT JUST GRASS BUT SHADE TREES THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO REVIEW THE PUD AND WORK WITH THE PETITIONER TO MAKE THESE REVISIONS AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE PUD GO TO THE COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER REVIEW.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW I WILL OPEN TO MEMBERS FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

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WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST? >> DEBBIE.

I KNOW YOU MADE SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THIS.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAP, I THINK TO CONFIRM THE PROPOSED LOT SIZES AND ARCHITECTURE AND ALL THAT ASIDE, THE PROPOSED LOT SIZES NOW APPEAR TO BE LARGER THAN THE ADJACENT EXISTING SITE IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. IS THAT TRUE OR NOT?

>> THAT IS ACCURATE. YOU CAN SEE A REPRESENTATION.

IF YOU PUT IT ON THE SCREEN NOW. HOW CAN WE GET THE INDISCERNIBLE ] CAMERA? IF WE ZOOM IN ON THIS EXHIBIT.

WE WILL BRING AN EXHIBIT TO THE COMMITTEE THAT DOCUMENTS THE LOT WIDTH AND SIZES ON THE THREE ADJOINING PARCELS.

THIS REPRESENTS THE EAST PERIMETER AND THOSE LOTS ALONG THE EAST PERIMETER ARE ROUGHLY 60 FEET WIDE.

THEY ARE IN THE 8-10,000 SQUARE FOOT SIZE.

I THINK SOME ARE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THEM OUT.

WE WILL GET THAT. THE ONES ON THE NORTH HAVE A WIDE RANGE. DOWN TO 45 FEET WIDE, TO 80 FEET WIDE. AND 6300 SQUARE FEET AND ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET. EVERY LOT EAST AND WEST OR EXCUSE ME EAST, NORTH AND SOUTH, ALL THE LOT SIZES ARE SMALLER THAN THE LOT SIZES PROPOSED AS THE MINIMUM STANDARD FOR CLAY --

CLAYSHIRE. >> SAY THAT LAST PART AGAIN.

>> ALL THE LOTS AND CLAYSHIRE ARE LARGER THAN THE PERIMETER WALLS LOTS ALONG THE ADJOINING

PROPERTY. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CAME

OUT. >> I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THAT. I DON'T MEAN TO BE ELEMENTARY ABOUT IT BUT I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO STATE VERY CLEARLY WHAT THE LOT SIZES ARE. THE DESIGN AND QUALITY, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE QUALITY. I KNOW WE ARE NOT THERE YET.

I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE DESIGNS OF THE SIX OR SEVEN HOMES THAT WERE SHOWN. I'M NOT A FAN OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE STAY PLAYING A STRIP ONTO A PIECE OF PLYWOOD.

AND I KNOW THAT IS NOT WHAT IT IS BUT -- AND I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU ADD MORE STONE MATERIAL, YOU ARE ADDING TO THE COST.

BUT ON SOME OF THEM, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD NEED TO BE MORE BRICK AND MORE STONE TO MAKE IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE OVERALL CONCEPT OF THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY.

SO THAT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU COULD LOOK AT REDOING OR MODIFYING THE DESIGN AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I DO WANT TO ECHO SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING ALL BE WAY AROUND THE PROPOSED SITE. SO I THINK WE CAN DELVE DEEPER INTO IT AND THE IN THE COMMITTEI DON'T WANT TO JUST GO ON WITH MY MINUTIA NOW BUT THOSE ARE THE BIG CONCERNS.

>> WHERE THEY ARE NOT REQUIREMENTS IN THE UDO FOR THE INDIVIDUAL LOT LANDSCAPING, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT LOT LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY TO NOT JUST THE FRONT OF THE DWELLING BUT ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE DWELLING AND THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL PRODUCE FOR YOU TO REVIEW COMMITTEE, A TYPICAL SITE PLAN. IT SHOWS THE NUMBER AND LEVEL OF PLANNING SURROUNDING THE HOME ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT.

THAT WOULD BE A MINIMUM LANDSCAPE PACKAGE.

OF COURSE SOMEBODY COULD SPEND ANOTHER 20, $30,000 ON LANDSCAPING WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY.

BUT THERE IS A MINIMUM PLANNING STANDARD WHERE TODAY IN THE UDO, THE CITY DOES NOT REQUIRE THE PLANNING STANDARD BUT MI OFFERED

ONE OF THEM. >> I JUST THINK WHATEVER THE FINAL RESULT IS, IT NEEDS TO EXCEED WHATEVER THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE BECAUSE THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD EXCEEDS

MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR CARMEL. >> TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS HERE.

ELEVATIONS. YOU HAVE THE ONE EXAMPLE FROM SLIDE NINE THAT DOES A DECENT JOB.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT SITE RENOVATIONS FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

>> WE WILL BRING STUDIO M TO THE COMMITTEE MEETING.

I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF PAGES.

IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE PUD ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PUD DOCUMENT ITSELF, THERE ARE MORE RENDERINGS WITH SLIGHT ELEVATIONS OF THE HOME. WE WILL BRING THE STUDIO IN AND HAVE A LONG LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS.

STAFF MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS WE CAN INCORPORATE AS WELL.

>> I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE THAT THERE ARE FIVE TYPES OF HOUSING

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HOUSING? >> THE DIVERSITY OF HOUSING -- EVERY HOUSE IS A SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING.

THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT EDU'S AND THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR ORDINANCE -- IN FACT, IT IS LIMITED TO A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME ON A LOT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS ACCURATE TO SAY THAT -- THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS PERMITTED BY UDO OR NOT. THAT MIGHT NOT BE CORRECT.

WE ARE ONLY PROPOSING SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES ON EACH LOT. NO YARD BARNS.

EVERYTHING IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE.

IT COULD BE A RANCH. IT COULD BE A TWO STORY HOUSE.

EVERY STORY HAS TO HAVE A SIDELOAD GARAGE AND EVERY HOUSE HAS TO HAVE A BASEMENT TO THE EXTENT.

THERE IS A CAVEAT FOR THAT IN THE ORDINANCE OF SOME GEOTECHNICAL ISSUES. IN ADDITION, EVERY HOUSE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN IN THE ORDINANCE, 50% OF THE BASEMENT AREA WHICH WOULD BE A FULL BASEMENT, HAS TO BE FINISHED.

THOSE ARE THINGS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS NOT SEEN IN THE PAST BUT WE WANTED TO REPRESENT OR MI WANTED TO REPRESENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THEY ARE ALL IN ON ACCOMMODATING THE PRICE POINT THEY ADVERTISED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> SO IF I'M GOING IN AND LOOKING AT HOUSES, HOW MANY TYPES OF HOUSES -- THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING, ARE YOU OFFERING?

AS FAR AS MODELS? >> THERE IS NO LIMITATION.

THEY HAVE PROVIDED ELEVATIONS OF SIX DIFFERENT MODELS.

OF ALL THE MODELS, THERE WILL BE MORE THAN ONE VARIETY OF WHAT THE HOME ELEVATIONS WILL LOOK LIKE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU ADD ROOMS OR BUMP OUTS OR ADDITIONAL SIDELOAD GARAGE.

OR EXCUSE ME, CARRIAGE STYLE GARAGE.

IF YOU HAVE A SIDE FACING GARAGE AND ONE BEHIND IT, IF YOU ADD IT, IT IS NOT REPRESENTED BUT IT IS PERMITTED UNDER THE ORDINANCE. SIX DIFFERENT MODELS HAVE BEEN SPECIFIED AND DRAWN BY STUDIO M. BUT THAT DOES NOT RESTRICT IT.

26. AND IT IS LIKELY THERE WILL BE EIGHT OR 12 DIFFERENT HOME MODELS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT IS 53 HOUSES. 8-12 DIFFERENT MODELS FOR HOMES.

>> THAT IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CONFIRM.

I SAW THE PICTURES HERE. AND YOU ARE RIGHT, THERE WERE

SIX. >> WHAT WILL DRIVE THAT IS THE ANTI- MONOTONY STANDARDS THAT YOU WILL SEE WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT DON'T PERMIT REPETITION. IF I'M DRIVING DOWN THE DEVELOPMENT AND I'M LOOKING AT THE STREETSCAPE, THE HOUSES ON EITHER SIDE AND TWO OVER ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET CANNOT BE REPLICATED. SO YOU GET A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT HOME ELEVATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

>> I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION SINCE WE ARE ON ELEVATIONS. TYPICALLY WHEN.

TYPICALLY WHEN YOU GO TO THE PRODUCTION BUILDER AND YOU PICK YOUR MODEL YOU WANT, YOU HAVE A HALF DOZEN OR DOZEN DIFFERENT FROM ELEVATIONS YOU CAN PICK. IN THIS SITUATION, WE HAVE THESE SIX. AND THAT IS IT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? ARE YOU SAYING THERE ARE MORE TO

COME? >> NO.

THESE ARE REPRESENTATIONS OF WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER COMPLIANCE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.

SO THEY COULD CHANGE. THEY COULD BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IS SHOWN HERE. THERE COULD BE MORE THAN WHAT IS SHOWN HERE. BUT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND STAFF WILL REVIEW BEFORE

INDISCERNIBLE ] ISSUED. >> YOU KNOW HOW WE DON'T LIKE TO BE SURPRISED. SO I WANT TO REVIEW THE PUD VERY CAREFULLY. AT THESE ARE THE PICTURES YOU ARE SHOWING AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE EXPECTING TO SEE, BUT THERE COULD BE -- INSTEAD OF ONE THROUGH SIX, SEVEN THROUGH 10, THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN GET BUILT INSTEAD.

THAT -- WE DON'T WANT TO BE SURPRISED.

ALL THE ELEVATIONS YOU HAVE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM.

AS ADAM SAID, SIGNING THE I WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. I HAD THE SAME QUESTION BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE BEEN OFFERING SIX AND EVERYBODY PICKS THE SAME HOUSE, I KNOW WE HAVE ANTI- MONOTONY BUT IT WILL BE HARDER.

>> AS -- MUNICATION WITH THE BUILDER, MY UNDERSTANDING THERE COULD BE 4-8 DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF HOME DESIGN PER MODEL. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 30-60 DIFFERENT HOME ELEVATIONS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO A CONSUMER DEPENDING ON WHICH ONES THEY CHOSE. THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE ORDINANCE.

>> SO YOU ADD ANY ADDITIONAL DETAIL TO THE PUD AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID HERE BACK SO THERE IS VARIETY.

I THINK WHEN YOU BRING -- I THINK YOU SAID DOWNERS GROVE AND ANOTHER ONE IN OHIO. I'M ASSUMING THAT WILL BE VERY COMPARABLE. SO AS MUCH AS YOU CAN SHOW US OF THAT, THAT WE COULD EVEN PUT IN THE PUD WOULD HELP.

>> YES. >> YOU ARE GOING TO NEED MORE GREEN SPACE. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE OUT SOME HOUSES. I THINK, UNLESS I HEAR DIFFERENTLY, YOU WILL NEED A CONNECTION FOR ME.

AT TRAFFIC. IS THERE ANY WALKING PATH

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>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO EVERYONE CONCERNED.

I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW RECEPTIVE THE ADJOINING DEVELOPER AND NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE TO THAT CONCERN.

I WANTED TO PUT THIS ONE UP TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT A CONNECTION TO 126TH STREET AT THE ROUNDABOUT THERE.

STAFF SUGGESTED -- I THINK THEY CLAIMED IT IS NONTRADITIONAL.

WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

WE WANT TO SEE IF ENGINEERING IS ON THE SAME PAGE AS WE EVALUATE THAT REQUEST BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS A LEGITIMATE REQUEST.

IF WE CAN DESIGN AND MEET THE OBJECTIVES THE CITY AND HEARING DEPARTMENT HAS, THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED ON THE OTHER CONSIDERATION WILL BE TO PROVIDE MORE WAYS IN AND OUT.

THEY ARE CONSIDERING CONNECTING THE TWO CUL-DE-SACS AT THE SOUTH END OF THE PLANT, TO CONNECT THOSE TOGETHER.

AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WAYS IN AND OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THERE ARE NOT 5 WATTS ISOLATED TO THIS ONE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE REST OF THE 40 PLUS ODD HOMES RESIDE ON THE OTHER% CONNECTION. IF WE CAN MAKE THAT CONNECTION WORK TO THAT NONTRADITIONAL DESCRIPTION OF THE CONNECTION HERE AT 126TH STREET, I'M EVALUATING THAT AS WELL AND I WOULD PROVIDE THE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS AND THAT AREA WITH THE 40 SOME ODD HOMES. WITH REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WE DID COORDINATE WITH ENGINEERING AND THEY WANT TO SEE US EVALUATE ACCESSIBILITY ONTO TOWN ROAD AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM. STAFF CAN PROVIDE THE EXACT COMMENTS. BUT THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT ANALYSIS AND THERE IS A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.

THERE IS ANALYSIS. THERE IS OPERATIONS ANALYSIS.

WE WANT TO COORDINATE WITH ENGINEERING AND DO WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FROM THEIR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING STANDPOINT AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO PROVIDE THE BEST SOLUTION REGARDING INTERCONNECTIVITY AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.

AS STAFF INDICATED, WE HAVE COMMENTS LATER THAN ANTICIPATED.

BUT WE ARE AT THE FIRST START OF THE PROCESS.

KICKING THINGS OFF WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE WILL TAKE THE TIME NECESSARY TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS.

>> THAT IS FINE. BECAUSE THAT IS IMPORTANT TOO.

AND IF YOU ARE WORKING WITH ENGINEERING, THAT IS GREAT.

THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU CONFIRM FOR ME THE

GROSS DENSITY AS 1.4 PER ACRE. >> IT IS 1.43 AND CHANGE.

>> WHEN IT COMES TO DENSITY, LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE FOR THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY AND THE ORDINANCE IS E330, THAT LIMITS

THE DENSITY. >> THERE ARE ADDITIONAL

AMENDMENTS. >> YES, THERE ARE.

>> SORRY TO INTERRUPT. >> YOU ARE FINE.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. I HEARD A COUPLE OF THINGS CONFLATED HERE TONIGHT. I HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE PLAN. THE PLAN SHOULD BE THE PLAN.

I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT IS OUR GUIDE FOR HOW THE CITY WANTS TO DEVELOP, WHETHER IT IS RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL.

THE ZONING IS THE ACTUAL REGULATORY PIECE AND THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE HERE ASKING FOR CHANGES ON THIS EVENING.

SO, YES, THE PLAN CALLS FOR RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA.

ZONING IS THE REGULATORY PIECE. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR. WHEN IT COMES TO THE ARCHITECTURE, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

I DON'T THINK THE ARCHITECTURE IS QUITE WHERE I EXPECTED IT TO BE. LOOKING AT THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY, THE ARCHITECTURE -- THEY ARE UNIQUE.

EVERY HOUSE IS UNIQUE. THERE ARE ONLY TWO IDENTICAL.

IT CREATED THIS DEVELOP -- MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY WHICH I THINK IS THE INTENT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE FROM THE PUD.

HOWEVER, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL.

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.

OVERALL, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

THOSE ARE ALL LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.

THOSE ARE THINGS WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE RENDERINGS OR BETTER RENDERINGS ON WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE AND ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT AMENITIES.

>> THANK YOU. >> MARK.

>> I HAVE LIVED AND WAS TO CARMEL FOR 26 YEARS.

I FOLLOWED AND ADMIRED THE DEVELOPMENTS OF THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY FROM THE BEGINNING. I MADE SOME NOTES.

SO BEAR WITH ME. I TRULY BELIEVE IT IS ONE OF THE BEST MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTRY.

A LOT OF THE ITEMS I HAD HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP.

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AND THOSE VALUES, WHEN I SAW THEM TODAY RANGE ] AND PULLED SEE, ORIGINALLY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. EVEN THOUGH THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, IT HAS DIRECT STREET ACCESS TO THE VILLAGE WHICH NOW I THINK I UNDERSTAND WAS PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL REQUESTING IT.

IN MY OPINION, BOTH OF THESE PRODUCTION BUILDERS UTILIZE COMPLEMENTARY ARCHITECTURE STYLES THAT REFLECT THE CHARACTER OF THE VILLAGE. I DROVE THROUGH THERE YESTERDAY.

BOTH OF THE AREAS. AND THEY LOOK LIKE THEY ARE PART OF THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. THE STYLES ON THE ARCHITECTURE ARE REALLY GOOD. SO IN MY OPINION, I THINK MI CAN DO THE SAME. I JUST THINK THAT THEY NEED TO ADHERE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES THAT COMPLEMENT THE SURROUNDING VILLAGE. ASSOCIATE AT THE HIGHER PRICE POINT. I BELIEVE MI HOMES UTILIZES ARCHITECTURE AS A POSITIVE STEP TO DEVELOP THE COUPLE MODERATE STYLE OF HOMES WITH THE LOOK OF THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY.

THE OTHER ITEM I WANT TO BRING UP WAS ON THE AMENITIES SIDE.

THIS IS A 53 HOME SUBDIVISION. THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY HAS 1840 HOMES. SO THAT TYPE OF PLANNED COMMUNITY I EXPECT POOLS PICKLE BALL COURTS, RECREATIONAL CENTERS, PARKS, LAKES. IT IS UNREALISTIC TO THINK THAT CLAYSHIRE WOULD HAVE SOME OR ALL THE AMENITIES IN THE VILLAGE.

THAT IS IT. >> ADAM.

>> I NEVER COMPILE MY THOUGHTS INTO ONE RESPONSE.

YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO MENTION.

YES, THE LAST PART. I TEND TO AGREE WITH.

BUT LIKE A PLAYGROUND OR SOMETHING.

I'M LOOKING AT THE ADJACENT AREA IN THE VILLAGE AND I SEE THREE DIFFERENT YOUNG CHILDREN PLAYSET AREAS.

I HAVE TO THINK THERE WILL BE SEVERAL FAMILIES RESIDE IN THE VILLAGE AND WOULD NEED A PLAYGROUND OR SOMETHING.

COULDWOULD THAT BE A CONSIDERATN CHECK? ABSOLUTELY. IF I DIDN'T SAY IT LOUD ENOUGH, STAFF MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND MI HAS HEARD THE RECOMMENDATION. I CONSULTED WITH OUR CLIENT EARLIER TONIGHT AND THEY ALL NODDED THAT YES, WE WILL COME BACK WITH THE PLAN THAT INCLUDES A PLAYGROUND.

WE WILL SURE THAT AT COMMITTEE. >> QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE DOWNERS GROVE DEVELOPMENT. ARE THOSE WITH SIMILAR SIZED

HOMES AS FAR AS YOU KNOW? >> THEY ARE.

AND MAYBE IN MY CASE, I GOT THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS SPECIFICALLY.

WHY DON'T I DO THIS. I WILL E-MAIL STAFF WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS THE LINK FOR BOTH OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THEN ASK THEM TO PUSH THAT OUT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THE OUTWARD STANDPOINT, WHAT MI IS ADVERTISING AND PROVIDING IN THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS.

>> OKAY. >> I HAVE NOT REVIEWED THE PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENTS. BUT MAYBE YOU CAN HELP IN TERMS OF HOW THE HOME WAS INCORPORATED INTO THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.

MAYBE DIFFERENTLY. IT DOES SEEM AWKWARD, THE PIECING OF THE TWO ALMOST SECTIONS.

>> I CAN'T -- I HAVE AN ILLUSTRATION ON THE LAST ONE.

FOR HYATT BUILDERS. I CAN'T RECALL SPECIFICALLY IF THE EXISTING HOME WAS RETAINED. I THINK IN BOTH PROPOSALS, IT WAS RETAINED. WHAT I WILL DO IS PROVIDE THE SITE PLAN FOR BOTH OF THOSE TWO PROPOSALS TO STAFF AND HAVE THEM PUSH THAT OUT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALONG WITH THE OTHER

BUILDER INFORMATION. >> AND SO THE WAS TO DEVELOP THOSE LOTS LEADING IN VERSES RETAINED BY

THE OWNER? >> NO.

THERE WAS NEVER A PROPOSAL FOR THE OWNER TO RETAIN LOTS IN EITHER CIRCUMSTANCE. IT WAS ALWAYS A SITUATION WHERE I BELIEVED IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE EXISTING HOME WAS MAINTAINED ON A LOT WITHIN THE DIVISION AND AN ADDITIONAL HOMES

WERE PROVIDED SURROUNDING IT. >> OKAY.

>> SO THE PROJECT -- THE PROJECT WAS BROUGHT UP MENTION BEING TORN DOWN. IT IS REMINISCENT OF THE WORD ALMOST WOULD STICK OUT FOR A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE AND

DIFFERENT MASSING. >> YES.

SO THIS WAS ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS TO THE VILLAGE OF

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IF THAT WERE TO CHANGE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD DETERMINE IF WILL DETERMINE IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE. EVERYTHING WE COMMUNICATED TO THE PUBLIC HAS IDENTIFIED THAT THE EXISTING HOUSE REMAINS ON

ONE OF THE LOTS. >> THANK YOU.

>> ADAM. >> HERE WE GO AGAIN.

JUMPING IN. JOHN, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOU UP ON THAT OFFER FOR THE COMMITTEE MEETING.

THE SIMILAR 900,000, 1.5 MILLION MI HOMES IF YOU CAN BRING THOSE.

>> THAT WILL COME TO YOU TOMORROW IF STAFF WILL PUSH IT OUT. I WILL GET THAT E-MAIL TO THEM.

I HAVE THAT AN OUTLOOK. IT WON'T TAKE A LOT OF TIME.

>> APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

>> I GUESS A COMMENT I WILL LEAD WITH IS THE FOLKS HERE THIS EVENING. AND THE COUNCIL USED TO SAY THIS AND I WON'T SAY IT AS WELL AS HE ALWAYS DID.

WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF THE FEEDBACK WE GET FROM THE PUBLIC TONIGHT AND THIS MAY GET APPROVED OR MAY NOT GET APPROVED. WHAT WE TELL YOU IS THAT IF YOU ARE AGAINST IT, WHICH MANY OF YOU WERE, CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE AND CONTINUE TO FIGHT SO TO SPEAK.

AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU AS MR. JON DOBOSIEWICZ, THE COMMISSIONER, THIS COULD GO TO THE COUNCIL.

IT COULD GET A BLESSING. WHATEVER YOU DON'T LIKE, I WOULD SAY TO WORK WITH THE PETITIONER TO MAKE IT AS GOOD AS IT COULD BE. SO AS THE COMMISSION CONTINUES TO REVIEW OR IF IT GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND IF THERE IS ACTION THERE, WHATEVER ENDS UP HAPPENING, IT BECOMES AS GOOD OF A PROJECT AS IT CAN BE. SEPARATE FROM THAT, I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE RESPONSES YOU GAVE THIS EVENING AFTER WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. SOME OF THE THINGS I JOTTED DOWN, MAYBE YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO AND GENERALITIES.

BUT IF YOU CAN BRING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO COMMITTEE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WE HEARD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS WITH CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS OVER DRAINAGE.

AND I SUSPECT SOME OF THOSE ARE RELATED TO THE FACT THAT THE SITE HAS NOT BEEN IMPROVED APPRT OR DEVELOPED YET.

AND MAYBE THERE IS DRAINAGE OR STANDING WATER ISSUES.

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE RETENTION FACILITIES AND PERHAPS THAT HELPS SOLVE SOME CONCERNS OUT THERE.

YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT WERE BRING MORE INFORMATION TO THE COMMITTEE. I DO SHARE SIMILAR COMMENTS TO THE OTHER PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT YOU HEARD FROM TONIGHT. IF THERE IS A WAY TO STEP UP AMENITIES SO THAT IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES LAND HERE, IF THERE ARE WAYS THEY CAN ENJOY THOSE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS GOOD THING BUT I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO THAT.

I WILL ADDRESS THAT LATER. I THINK I SHARE WHAT I HEARD OUT OF OTHER PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS ABOUT EXPLORING ACCESS AND CONNECTION TO THE ROUNDABOUT AT 126TH STREET.

THE ADDITIONAL ENTRY POINT TO THE NORTHERN PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR SO CAN ACCESS POINT COULD HELP INGRESS AND EGRESS. WE WILL SEE HOW THAT SHAKES UP AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL ONE THING I WAS INTERESTED IN AND I CERTAINLY WOULD UNDERSTAND IF I GET FEEDBACK OR PUSHBACK FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

IF THERE IS A WAY THERE COULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIVITY TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ADJACENT, OF INTEREST, I THINK CARMEL HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF THAT. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND FOLKS CONCERNS AND PUSH BACK ON THAT. WHETHER IT IS ROAD OR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, CERTAINLY THAT COULD BE EXPLORED.

IF ALL OF THOSE CONNECTIONS, IF NONE OF THOSE HAPPEN, ONE THING I HEARD FROM ONE OF THE FOLKS THAT SPOKE THIS EVENING ABOUT CONCERNS OVER PROXIMITY TO SOME OF THE ALLEYS THAT ARE THERE AND IN THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY. IF THERE IS A NON- ACCESS EASEMENT, IT COULD BE PART OF WHAT IS IN THEIR SUNDAY TO HELP PROVIDE THE BUFFER AND MAKE SURE THERE ARE NOT CONNECTIONS.

SEE IF THAT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT PANS OUT WITH THE CONDITION

OF THIS STUDY. >> IT IS PROHIBITED TODAY UNDER THEIR ORDINANCE. IT ONLY PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS. IT IS NOT IN A COMMON AREA.

IT IS EASEMENTS ACROSS EXISTING LAWS.

THE REAR YARD INCLUDES A DRIVEWAY FOR INDIVIDUAL UNITS AND THE ALLEYS IT'S ALLEY SITS T 5-10 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.

>> OKAY. PERFECT.

>> LET'S SEE. I THINK THAT IS ABOUT ALL I HAD

AT THE MOMENT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I THIK EVERYBODY HAS SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS. I'M NOT GOING TO -- I THINK IT HAS BEEN COVERED. YOU HAVE A LONG LIST OF THINGS

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JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE FOCUSED ON THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. WE ARE VERY MUCH SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT THESE HOUSES LOOK LIKE. DEFINITELY PLAYGROUND.

OR LARGER GREEN SPACE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY WE COULD DO A PATH WHERE IT COULD GO AROUND THE POND.

I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THE POND IS.

OR HAVE WALKING TRAILS OR CONNECTING SO -- SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THIS GOES CONTRARY TO WHAT I NORMALLY TELL YOU, JOHN. IN THE SITUATION, WE PROBABLY DO NEED A BUFFER. THE HOUSES ARE WHITE -- RIGHT UP AGAINST THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY HOUSES.

NORMALLY, I'M THE KIND OF PERSON THAT WANTS TO TAKE THE GREEN SPACE AND SPREAD IT OUT THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT IN THIS SITUATION, YOU REALLY DO NEED THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY OR YOU HAVE TWO HOUSES BACKING UP TO EACH OTHER WITH NOTHING REALLY IN BETWEEN THEM. SAID, JUST TO REITERATE, THIS IS KIND OF A LENGTHY PROCESS. THIS WILL BE IN COMMITTEE UNTIL WE FEEL LIKE WE GET INTO THE BEST PLACE WE CAN GET THE PROJECT TWO. WE WILL TAKE A VOTE AND SEND IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.

WE REALLY DO SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT IS THE BEST VERSION OF THE PROJECT THAT IT CAN BE REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE LAND ON THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE VOTE.

WHEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, THEY WILL ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISIONS. IF IT GETS APPROVED, WE WILL MAKE SURE WHATEVER IT LEAVES HERE IS THE BEST VERSION THAT IT CAN BE. WE WILL SEND IT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION. IT CAN BE FAVORABLE, NEGATIVE OR NEUTRAL. ALTHOUGH I WILL NOT PERMIT NEUTRAL. I DON'T LIKE THAT.

WE WILL MAKE A DECISION. AND SO I THINK THERE IS WORK TO DO. I DO WANT TO SEE MORE OF THE RENDERINGS OF THE ARCHITECTURE AS WELL.

WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION?

>> I RECOMMEND WE CONTINUE THIS TO THE OCTOBER 6 COMMITTEE MEETING AND WITH THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION, WE HAVE

APPROVAL. >> I WILL SECOND.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SENDING THIS TO THE COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW REVIEW, COMING BACK TO THE FULL TIME COMMISSION FOR FINAL VOTE,

PLEASE SAY AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? WE WILL SEE THAT FOR COMMITTEE OCTOBER 6.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS ARE TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE ONE MORE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. I WILL PAUSE BRIEFLY IF ANYBODY WANTS TO EXIT. I WILL JUST PAUSE FOR MAYBE ONE OR TWO MINUTES JUST TO LET EVERYBODY LEAVE.

YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO STAY OF COURSE.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET

[J.1. Docket No. PZ-2026-00177 ADLS Amend: Springhill Suites by Marriott Hotel Refres]

THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 11,855 NORTH MERIDIAN STREET AND IS ON MY CAP C MERIDIAN CORRIDOR AND IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN ANY OVERLAY DISTRICT. FILED BY DAN STADTMILLER OF THE GHOMAN GROUP ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE PETITIONER. PLEASE HIT THE MICROPHONE.

>> HELLO EVERYBODY. I'M NOT A HOMEBUILDER SO I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF. JUST A VERY SIMPLE PROPOSAL HERE. WE ARE PROPOSING TO -- I'M JOE GHOMAN BY THE WAY FROM CARMEL REPRESENTING THE GHOMAN GROUP.

PROJECT DESCRIPTION IS VERY BRIEF.

WE ARE PROPOSING TO MAKE SOME EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS CONSISTING ONLY OF AESTHETICS INCLUDING A SMALL CHANGE TO THE FAÇADE.

AGAIN, NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR.

THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT ISN'T MOVING.

NO CHANGES TO THE PARKING LOT. NO CHANGES TO STRUCTURE.

THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE A NEW EXTERIOR PAINT COLOR SCHEME, UPDATED EXTERIOR FINISHES, MODIFICATIONS.

SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING FAÇADE AND A NEW

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TO SUMMARIZE, BASICALLY THE UPPER THIRD OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE REPAINTED. THE LOWER PORTIONS OF THE FAÇADE ARE NOT CHANGING. AND IN ADDITION TO THE SIGNAGE BEING UPDATED, WE ARE CHANGING A SMALL PORTION OF THE FAÇADE AS YOU CAN SEE. WE ARE FLATTENING IT RIGHT HERE.

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE. AND NO OTHER CHANGES OTHER THAN THE ONES I HAVE STATED HERE. IT IS ALSO MY FIRST TIME AT A HEARING LIKE THIS SO I HOPE I HAVE DONE IT RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SEEING NOBODY HERE, -- OR IT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ANYWAY. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ALEXIA

>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, I'M ALEXIA LOPEZ, PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE.

AS HE YOU CAN SEE, THE SPRINGHIL SUITES HOTEL OF THE PENNSYLVANIA STREET IS PROPOSING A BUILDING FAÇADE RENOVATION.

THIS IS RIGHT ALONG MERIDIAN STREET AS WELL.

THE LOCATION -- THE BUILDING LOCATION PARKING SPACE IS SITE AND ALL STAYING THE SAME. THEY ARE JUST PROPOSING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXTERIOR. THE MAIN BUILDING IS MOSTLY BRICK WITH RED BRICK ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

YOU CAN SEE THE CREAM COLORED BRICK ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS. THAT WILL REMAIN THE SAME.

AND THE FOURTH FLOOR IS WHAT IS CHANGING.

THAT INCLUDES PAINTING THE MATERIAL AND MODIFYING THE INDISCERNIBLE ] ALONG THE CENTRAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE YOU SEE THERE. IT IS CURVED TODAY AND THEY ARE STRAIGHTENING IT OUT. THEY ARE KEEPING THE REST OF THE DECORATIVE LINE WITH THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE FOR THE BUILDING.

I BELIEVE THE NEW COLORS ARE WHITE AND A DARK BLUE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE PETITIONER BROUGHT SAMPLES OF THE COLOR TO SHOW. MORE OF A BLUE COLLAR I THINK.

AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE A NICE UPGRADE FOR THE BUILDING AND GIVE IT A FRESH LOOK.

AGAIN, NO NEW LIGHTING. THE LANDSCAPING WILL REMAIN THE SAME AND THE SIGNAGE WHICH PREVIOUSLY WAS REVIEWED FOR THE SIGN PERMITS. AND THAT MEETS THE EDO STANDARDS AND THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED. SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO APPROVE THIS ITEM THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM

ANYBODY? >> A QUICK QUESTION.

THE COLOR SCHEME, IS THIS -- DID YOU COME UP WITH THE COLOR SCHEME OR -- THIS IS FROM MARRIOTT?

>> IT IS THE MARRIOTT COLOR SCHEME.

>> SO IT IS DONE AND OTHER ANOTR EXISTING?

>> YES. >> DO YOU HAVE A SAMPLE OF THE

BLUE? >> I DON'T.

NOT WITH ME. SO WHAT IS THE MATERIAL YOUR

PAINTING? >> IT IS GOING TO BE PAINTED THE

DARK BLUE? >> YES MA'AM.

>> ANY CONCERNS ABOUT FADING MAYBE?

>> I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE BLUE.

>> I JUST THINK THE BLUE LOOKS ODD.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT IS AN INDUSTRY THING AND THEY ARE REQUIRING YOU TO DO IT. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IT ENHANCES IN MY OPINION. ALSO, WHILE I'M AT IT, WHY ARE YOU GOING FROM THE CURVE TO THE SLOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CURVE? IT MAKES IT EASIER TO FIND OUT WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS.

>> I WISH I WAS ALSO A DESIGNER. WE TAKE WHAT THE BRAND SAYS AND WE GO BACK AND FOURTH. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS% THE PROTOTYPE. OF COURSE, WE ARE AT THE MERCY OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THIS IS THE PROTOTYPICAL SPEC.

ANY NEW SPRINGHILL SUITES BUILT FROM 2024 AND ONWARD WILL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS AND NO DIFFERENT.

>> WITH THEY HAVE THE BRICK ALSO ON THE FIRST LEVEL?

>> IT LOOKS ODD WITH THE TRICOLOR.

>> THEY WOULD HAVE THE FIRST LITTLE BRICK ON THE NEW

PROTOTYPE? >> FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN, THIS IS PRETTY TYPICAL. IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONS OR REJECTIONS, I CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK TO THE BRAND.

>> IS THERE ANOTHER OPTION OTHER THAN BLUE?

>> I CAN DEFINITELY ASK. I CAN DEFINITELY ASK.

>> ALEXIA, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THAT.

CHECK OTHER OPTIONS AND NOT HAVE IT BLUE?

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>> I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS ALONG MERIDIAN OR THE ZONING FOR COLOR. BUT IT DOES SHOW A BLUE AND THE WHITE ABOVE IT. THE WHITE WOULD KEEP IT MORE WITH WHAT IS THERE TODAY AND THE ARCHITECTURE STYLE.

I WILL SAY THAT THEY PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED KIND OF FLATTENING OUT THAT AS WELL TO BE MORE OF THE MODERN LOOK THAT THE NEWER BUILDINGS HAVE AND WE ASKED THEM TO KEEP THAT DECORATIVE PARAPET THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING STYLE OF THE ARCHITECTURE.

SO THEY DID ACCOMMODATE THE. >> I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ON

THE COLOR I GUESS. >> IT'S NOT A DEALBREAKER ALL THE WAY AROUND. BUT I THINK THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW IS PREFERABLE TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

I THINK IT IS ATTRACTIVE THE WAY IT IS.

>> I THINK WHAT IS THROWING ME OFF -- MAYBE I MISSED THIS WHEN I STEPPED OUT BRIEFLY. THE BRICK COLOR IS NOT CHANGING, CORRECT SHOW? CORRECT.

>> THE RENDERING IS THROWING MY BRAIN OFF A LITTLE BIT.

IT IS VERY RED BRICK THAT IS SHOWN IN THE RENDERING VERSUS WHAT IS THERE NOW. THE BLUE, I GUESS THAT IS KIND OF ALONG THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS WE ALL ARE HAVING HERE.

IT GRABS THE RENDERING AS A LITTLE MORE DRASTIC THAN --

>> I THINK THE RENDERING IS DEFINITELY MORE FLASHY FROM WHAT THE REALITY IS AND I THINK THE PICTURE I'M SHOWING IS A LITTLE MORE FADED THAN WITH THE REALITY IS.

AND I THINK THE END RESULT IS GOING TO BE VERY MODEST AND I THINK THE BLUE THAT IS SHOWN HERE IS NOT GOING TO STAND OUT AS MUCH AS IT DOES ON THE RENDERING, JUST AS THE RED STANDS OUT A LOT. I THINK IT WILL BE MUCH MORE MODEST THAN WHAT IS SHOWN ON THIS RENDERING.

>> BUT ADAM, NOW THAT YOU SAID THAT AND I'M LOOKING AT THE BRICK, NOW I'M THINKING THE BLUE WILL STAND OUT EVEN MORE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MORE NEUTRAL WASHED OUT BRICK.

NOT THE BRIGHT RED. >> IT IS A VERY BLUE BLUE.

>> INDIGO. >> I LIKE THAT YOU ARE CROSSING IT UP WITH THE WHITE. I THINK THAT LOOKS NICE.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO ASK WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE? I'M SORRY TO MAKE THIS -- TO DELAY THIS.

>> NOT AT ALL. I CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK TO THE BRAND. YES.

I CAN EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS. >> UNLESS JONATHAN, YOU HAVE

SOMETHING TO SAY. >> I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ODD MAN OUT. I LIKE THE PROPOSED COLOR.

I'M ALSO -- I DON'T CARE FOR WHAT IS THERE TODAY QUITE FRANKLY. I THINK IT IS VERY BLAND AND IT JUST ADDS A POP OF COLOR WHERE IT COULD REALLY BE UTILIZED.

I ACTUALLY LIKE IT. >> THAT'S OKAY.

WHY DON'T WE JUST ASK IF THERE IS ANOTHER COLOR AND IF THERE IS, BRING IT TO THE DEPARTMENT AND LET THEM MAKE THE FINAL

DECISION. >> ALEXIA DOESN'T WANT THAT.

I JUST SAW HER PANIC. >> THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS WITH ALL THE SIGNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THEY KNOW. THAT WAS A MOTION TO GIVE VOTING

AUTHORITY. >> IS A MOTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE IT PENDING ALEXIA APPROVING WHAT THE COLOR IS,

WHETHER IT IS BLUE OR NEUTRAL. >> HOW ABOUT WE TAKE IT OFF HER

BACK. >> THE DEPARTMENT HAS FINAL

APPROVAL. >> THEY WILL ASK THE BRAND TO

SEE IF THERE IS ANOTHER COLOR. >> RIGHT.

>> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH HER THEN.

>> AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND SEE US.

>> DOES THE BRAND HAVE ACTUAL IMAGES OF THE CONCEPT IN REAL

PRACTICE? >> I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET AWAY FROM THE RENDERINGS ONLY.

>> I COULD COME BACK WITH REAL WORLD EXAMPLES.

>> SO WE HAVE -- THE MOTION IS THAT WE WILL APPROVE THIS PENDING DEPARTMENT DOES PENDING THE PETITIONER WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT STAFF ON THE COLOR AND THE DEPARTMENT STAFF HAS FINAL APPROVAL ON THE COLOR. THAT IS THE MOTION.

>> IS PINK OKAY? >> NO PINK.

>> PURPLE. >> DO I HAVE A MOTION? SECOND? THANK YOU.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR APPROVING AS NOTED, PLEASE SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? HEARING NONE.

CONGRATULATIONS. YOU ARE APPROVED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT IS OUR FINAL ITEM ON THE AG

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.