Sep 21, 2026 City Council Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

WELCOME TO CARMEL CITY HALL AND OUR MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

AGENDA APPROVAL. YES, SIR.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ADD AN AGENDA ITEM TO DISCUSS THE FINAL DISPOSITION OF THE MARKET INVESTIGATIVE REPORT.

>> DO YOU HAVE AN AREA OR SPOT YOU WOULD LIKE TO INSERT THAT.

>> WHEREVER YOU WOULD LIKE, PRESIDENT.

>> WE'LL DO IT IN SECTION 15. THAT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

THE OKAY. I WOULD MOVE.

>> I AM GOING TO MOVE WE MOVE SECTION 15 TOO RIGHT BETWEEN

ITEM 9 AND 10. >> SECOND.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. I GUESS I SHOULD VOTE.

DO WE NEED TO APPROVE THE AGENDA OR DID WE JUST DO THAT.

WE MOVED THINGS AROUND. DID WE APPROVE THE AGENDA?

>> MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. >> SECOND.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT.

EXCELLENT. MR. JOE SMITH FROM NORTHVIEW CHURCH WILL BE DOING THE INVOCATION FOR THIS EVENING.

>> WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE AND PLAY WITH ME.

DEAR GOD, AS WE COME BEFORE YOU DURING THIS TIME, WE JUST ASK FOR YOUR DIVINE GUIDANCE, DIRECTION, AND WISDOM.

WE ALL LOVE AND CARE FOR THIS WONDERFUL CITY AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS YOU DO, SO WE JUST INVITE TO YOU DIRECT THIS MEETING, THE AGENDA, THE WORDS SPOKEN AND THE PLANS BEING MADE. WE PRAY FOR PROTECTION OVER OUR FAMILIES. THIS COUNCIL, OUR CITY, LEADERS, FIRST RESPONDERS, MEDICAL WORKERS AND ALL WHO WORK TO MAKE THIS PLACE AS BEST AS IT CAN POSSIBLY BE.

WE LOVE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS.

THROUGH JESUS NAME. AMEN.

>> AMEN. WHILE WE'RE IN THE INVOCATION SECTION, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT AS OUR JEWISH NEIGHBOURS OBSERVE YOM KIPPUR, WE ARE REMINDED OF THE IMPORTANCE OF REFLECTION, FORGIVENESS, AND BEGINNING AGAIN.

MENT MAY WE HAVE THE HUMILITY TO RECOGNIZE WHERE WE HAVE FALLEN SHORT, THE COURAGE TO MAKE AMENDS WHERE WE HAVE CAUSED HARM, AND THE WISDOM TO LEAN AND LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES.

MAY WE BE SLOW TO ANGER, GENEROUS IN FORGIVENESS, AND WILLING TO LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER WITH PATIENCE AND UNDERSTANDING AS WE CONDUCT THE WORK OF THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING.

MAY WE REMEMBER THAT PUBLIC SERVICE IS A TRUST MAY OUR WORDS BE THOUGHTFUL, OUR ZIGS FAIR, AND OUR DECISIONS GUIDED NOT BY THE DESIRE OF PRIDE OR DIVISION BUT BY A SINCERE DESIRE TO SERVE OUR NEIGHBOURS WELL. SO MAY THE YEAR AHEAD BRING PEACE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND DO A WORLD THAT DESPERATELY NEEDS IT.

AND TO OUR JEWISH FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOURS, MAY YOU BE SEALED.

FOR A GOOD YEAR. MOVING ON.

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. COUNCILLOR AYERS, WOULD YOU

LEAD US, PLEASE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[5. RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS]

>> RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND NOW CITIZENS.

ONCE AGAIN, ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE SO VALUABLE TO ALL OF US AND TO THIS COMMUNITY. WE THANK THEM FOR EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE. WE HAD A NUMBER OF EVENTS OVER THE LAST WEEKEND. WE CELEBRATED CARMEL'S 50TH BIRTHDAY PARTY WHICH WAS AMAZING.

THANKS TO ROTARY AND OTHERS. THEN WE HAD PORCH FEST WHICH WAS AWESOME. THANKS TO COUNCILLOR WORRELL WHO OF THE PARTY THERE. NOW HE'S EVEN CLOSER TO IT.

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RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL.

FIRST ON THE LIST IS MR. JACK FELDMAN.

WHILE JACK IS WALKING UP EVEN THOUGH HE IS A VETERAN, GO OVER THE RULES. YOU'LL START SPEAKING.

THE LIGHT WILL TURN ON. WHEN IT TURNS GREEN, YELLOW YOU HAVE A MINUTE LEFT. IF IT TURNS RED, THAT MEANS

FINISH UP YOUR SENTENCE PLEASE. >> HI.

I'M JACK. I'M A CARMEL RESIDENT.

I WANT TO SPEAK -- I WANT TO FIRST MENTION THAT THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION THAT WAS HELD ON FRIDAY, THAT WAS VERY LOVELY. AND I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE TO THE ROTARY CLUB OF CARMEL. I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE TO THE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL FOR HOSTING THAT.

AND GLAD WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HOST THAT EVENT.

THAT WAS REALLY NICE. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION I HAD SOME WORKS TO SPEAK ABOUT THE MICROMOBILITY ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN WORKED ON FAR WHILE.% AND I THINK IT'S IN A PRETTY GOOD SPOT. AN ADDITION THAT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE IS HELMET REQUIREMENTS.

I KNOW THE COUNCILLOR IS OBVIOUSLY A PEDIATRICIAN.

SOMETHING I HAVE SEEN IN A COUPLE OTHER CITIES IS SAYING FOR MINORS TO KIND OF GET AROUND A BLANKET HELMET REQUIREMENT, FOR MINORS IF A HELMET IS NOT BEING WORN AT THE TIME OF OFFENCE THE FINE IS DOUBLED OR AN ADDITIONAL FINE IMPOSED JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE KIDS THAT DOE THESE RECKLESS THINGS ON, YOU KNOW, 50 MILES AN HOUR E BIKES THAT WE CAN'T CATCH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. SO MAKING SURE THEY WEAR A HELMET WHEN THEY DO SO IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIFE-SAVING DEVICES. I THEN WANTED TO GO ON SOMEWHAT OF AN UNRELATED TANGENT. THIS THE CITY BUDGET.

THERE WAS LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE, SOMETHING THAT CAME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL THAT WAS TRANSFERRING THE FUNDS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE SUM OF $225,000 WHICH IS QUITE A LOT OF OUR MONEY. YOU KNOW, CITIZENS OF CARMEL'S MONEY. SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND IT LOOKED LIKE THAT WAS LUMPED INTO SOMETHING JUST LABELED SOFTWARE ON THE BUDGET. AND I FEEL LIKE ESPECIALLY WITH ALL OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS COMING UP AND SPEAKING ABOUT THAT AS AN ISSUE, IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT TO THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND AT LEAST MENTION FLOCK ONCE IN THE BUDGET MEETING OR OUR VIDEOS.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE FOR OUR CITIZENS.

EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN POSITION ON THIS MATTER, BUT IT IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO OUR CITIZENS, SO I FEEL HE IT IS WORTHWHILE TO MENTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, JACK AS ALWAYS. I WANT TO SAY ON THE MICROMOBILITY ORDINANCE AT THE DAIS TONIGHT, YOU ARE WELCOME TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, BUT ONE OF OUR CITY ATTORNEYS WAS GOING TO MAKE A FEW MODIFICATIONS TO IT. AND HE WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THOSE MODIFICATIONS, AND; IS THAT

CORRECT, CHAIRMAN? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

AND WE HAD SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE. SO IN THE DESIRE TO HAVE THE ORDINANCE BE IN ITS COMPLETE FORM WHEN IT PASSES WE WILL HAVE

IT ON THE DAIS. >> THERE MAY BE A FEW THINGS COMMENTED ON THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

YOURS IS NOT, BUT THANK YOU. >> WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GET AN UPDATE FROM THE COMMITTEE, THOUGH, AS TO WHERE WE ARE.

>> THE I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEND AN UPDATE TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL.

>> I MEAN TODAY. >> ONCE THOSE ADDITIONS ARE MADE

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEND THAT. >> SO.

>> DURING COMMITTEE REPORT. >> SO I'M ASKING WHERE ARE WE,

WHAT ARE THOSE CHANGE? >> ABSOLUTELY.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PRESENT THAT DURING THE COMMITTEE REPORT.

>> THANK YOU. >> SORRY ABOUT THE BREAK IN

[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]

ROCKY GRIFFITH. >> I WILL BE SPEAKING ON THE MICROMOBILITY ORDINANCE. I RIDE ELECTRIC UNICYCLES OR AT LEAST I DID REGULARLY UNTIL I WAS PULLED OVER AND GIVEN A WARNING WHILE RIDING ON 106TH STREET IN CARMEL.

I WAS RIDING TWO OTHER MICROMOBILITY ENTHUSIASTS ALL OF US OVER 50 YEARS OLD. WITH HE WERE RESPECTING THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, RIDING RESPONSIBLY, AND EVEN WAVED TO THE POLICE OFFICER AS WE PASSED. THE OFFICER WAS VERY POLITE AND PROFESSIONAL. HE EXPLAINED THAT FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES, I WAS BEING TREATED AS A E MOTO.

THAT'S WHERE IT BECAME CONFUSING.

THE CITY'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE MICROMOBILITY CHART SHOWS THEM

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THE CHART APPEARS TO SAY THAT I CAN RIDE ON THE STREET.

BUT THE UNDERLYING STATE REQUIREMENTS MAY EFFECTIVELY PREVENT MY PARTICULAR DEVICE FROM LEGALLY QUALIFYING TO DO SO. THAT IS THE KIND OF AMBIGUITY I HOPE COUNCIL CAN HELP RESOLVE. I AM IN MY 50S, AND RIDING IS ONE OF THE WAYS I STAY ACTIVE, GET OUTDOOR, AND ENJOY THIS COMMUNITY. I HAVE RIDDEN THROUGHOUT CARMEL FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS WITHOUT CAUSING PROBLEMS OR CREATING CONFLICTS WITH PEDESTRIANS, MOTORISTS, OR OTHER TRAIL USERS, MOST OF MY INTERACTIONS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN VERY POSITIVE.

PEOPLE ARE OFTEN CURIOUS ABOUT THE ELECTRIC, YOU KNOW, CYCLE AND WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT WORKS. ELECTRIC UNICYCLES HAVE A SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT FOOTPRINT THAN MANY OF THE LARGER MOTORCYCLE STYLE VEHICLES THAT GENERATE CONCERN.

THEY ARE COMPACT, HIGHLY MANEUVERABLE AND CAN BE OPERATED AT LOWER SPEEDS ON MULTIUSE PATHS WHILE ALSO BEING CAPABLE OF TRAVELING WITH NORMAL TRAFFIC WHERE APPROPRIATE.

I UNDERSTAND WHY CARMEL IS LOOKING CLOSELY AT MIKE ARE MOBILITY. EXCESSIVE SPEED, RECKLESS RIDING, UNSAFE PASSING AND DANGEROUS THINGS ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. RESPONSIBLE RIDERS WANT THOSE ADDRESSED TOO. BUT THOSE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY BEHAVIOURAL PROBLEMS. I ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO NOT UNINTENTIONALLY ELIMINATE RESPONSIBLE USE SIMPLY BECAUSE A NEWER DEVICE DOES NOT FIT NEATLY INTO AN OLDER VEHICLE CLASSIFICATION. IN THE SHORT-TERM, I ASK THAT THE ENFORCEMENT FOCUS HEAVILY ON UNSAFE BEHAVIOR, SPEED, AND RECKLESS OPERATION WHILE RIDERS AND OFFICERS ARE GIVEN CLEAR GUIDANCE ABOUT WHAT IS AND IS NOT PERMITTED.

IN THE LONGER TERM, I HOPE CARMEL CAN WORK TOWARDS A CLEARER LEGAL PATH FOR ELECTRIC UNICYCLES, BUT THAT MEANS REGISTRATION UNDER A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION OR A DIFFERENT CATEGORY THAT BETTER REFLECTS WHAT THESE DEVICES ACTUALLY ARE.

TECHNOLOGY IS ADVANCING FASTER THAN MANY OF THE LAWS WRITTEN TO REGULATE IT. I HOPE ELECTRIC UNICYCLES CAN BE EVALUATED FAIRLY BASED ON HOW THEY ARE ACTUALLY BEING OPERATED AND THE RISK THEY ACTUALLY PRESENT.

I AM NOT ASKING CARMEL TO IGNORE UNSAFE RIDING.

I AM ASKING THAT RESPONSIBLE REQUIREDS HAVE A CLEAR, REASONABLE WAY TO CONTINUE ENJOYING THESE DEVICES IN THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> ROCKY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN PENDLETON. HAVE YOU HAD ISSUES IN ANY OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT YOU TRAVEL TO AND THEN RIDE?

>> I KNOW A LOT OF THESE AREAS ARE KIND OF FOCUSING ON THE SAME ISSUE. BUT THEY HAVE BEEN GOING BASED ON HOW I'M RIDING, BEHAVIOR, AND AIM STREET CRUISER MYSELF, SO I JUST STAY WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC GENERALLY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD. THEY SEE ME.

NO ISSUES. CARMEL WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY BASICALLY SAID YOU JUST CAN'T RIDE IT PERIOD.

SO KIND OF WORKED OUT FOR ME. I WAS HAPPY ABOUT SEEING THAT WE COULD RIDE ON THE STREETS. MAYBE CLASSIFY IT AS EMOTO BUT THE OFFICER SAYING IT CAN'T BE REGISTERED WHICH IS, LIKE, A CATCH-22. THAT LEAVES ME WITH BASICALLY NO OPTIONS. I REALLY NEED THIS FOR MENTAL HEALTH. LIKE, I REALLY NEED TO GET GET OUTDOORS, AND I HAVE TAILBONE ISSUES AND THINGS, AND THE ELECTRIC UNICYCLE IS JUST PERFECT FOR ME.

I CAN'T RIDE A BICYCLE VERY WELL OR EVEN AN E-BIKE.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M REALLY PUSHING FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVICE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JASON SOLBERG FOLLOWED BY

MR. LLOYD WILL BE ON DECK. >> MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. FIRST OF ALL I AM VERY NERVOUS.

I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAK SORE I PRINTED THINGS OUT SO I DIDN'T LOSE TRACK. I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF MICROMOBILITY ORDER UNANIMOUS, AND I SAY SUPPORT OF.

I THINK WE'RE ALL HERE FOR THE SAME THING AS WE WANT SAFETY.

FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME IS JAYEN. I'M A CARMEL RESIDENT OF ALMOST 20 YEARS. I REPRESENT THE INDIANAPOLIS COMMUNITY. WE HAVE OVER 700 MEMBERS.

AND I HAVE ALSO BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE PART OF THE FOCUS GROUP THAT MR. ROYAL PUT TOGETHER.

I WANT TO START BY SAYING I SUPPORT 100% WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, SAFETY. WE HAVE REASONABLE SPEED LIMITS TO PROTECT PEDESTRIANS AND I DON'T WANT TO GO OVER THE SAME THINGS THAT EVERYBODY ALREADY KNOWS.

BUT I ALSO WANT CARMEL TO KEEP IN MIND THAT CARMEL'S

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IS IT STILL HEAVILY REVISED BY THE DEVICE'S CAPABILITY.

FIRST OF ALL, 750 WATTS. WATTS IS POWER.

THAT'S NOT CAPABILITY. IF YOU HAVE A 400-POUND PERSON, YOU NEED MORE WATTAGE. SO FIRST OF ALL THAT METRIC IS NOT A GOOD ONE. SECONDLY JUST BECAUSE A DEVICE IS CAPABLE OF GOING 28 MILES AN HOUR OR 40 MILES AN HOUR OR A HUNDRED MILES AN HOUR, WE STILL LET CARS ON THE ROAD.

WE STILL HAVE SCHOOL ZONES, ALL OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO I THINK CAPABILITY AND OPERATION ARE TWO DIFFERENT STORIES. WE ARE TRYING TO GO AFTER ONE HERE. FOR EXAMPLE, A E BIKE IS CAPABLE OF 28 MILES AN HOUR. BUT YOUR OWN LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T GO FASTER THAN 20 IN CERTAIN AREAS.

THE SO YOU ARE ALREADY DOING IT. THE DEVICE CAN GO FASTER.

THE RIDER CANNOT. THAT IS WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS AS WELL AS FUTURE PROOFING. IT CAN'T GO THAT FAST.

BUT IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CATEGORY IT'S NOT ALLOWED.

ONE OTHER MINOR THING. WE ARE FOCUSING ON ELECTRIC UNICYCLES. THE WAY THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS DOING, RIDING ON A SINGLE WHEEL IS PROHIBITED PERIOD.

CAN'T RIDE A UNICYCLE ON TWO WHEELS.

SO THAT RIGHT THERE EVEN IF I'M A 500 WATT DEVICE, I CAN'T GO.

I THINK WE ARE ALL TRYING TO SOLVE THE SAME PROBLEM.

THE POLICE, THE VERY FIRST INPUT FROM THE POLICE IS IT IS TOO

COMPLEX. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DID YOU SERVE ON THE

SILVERSIDES? >> YES.

>> THAT'S A FANTASTIC SHIP, BOAT.

>> BOAT. >> THANK YOU.

IT WAS A BOAT. FOR THE RECORD, SUBMARINES ARE

BOATS. >> ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRIS LLOYDA CARMEL RESIDENT A ENGINEER AND ELECTRIC UNICYCLE RIDER.

JASON, I READ HIS SPEECH AND HE IS SAYING STUFF AND STOLE EVERYTHING I WAS GOING TO SAY. LUCKILY MINE IS SHORT.

I AGREE WITH THE GOAL OF MAKING CARMEL'S PATHS AND STREETS SAFER. MY CONCERN IS USING A MAXIMUM SPEED CAPABILITY OR MOTOR WATTAGE AS A PRIMARY REASON OF IF A UNICYCLE IS SAFE. A EUC IS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT FROM A SCOOTER OR AN E-BIKE. ON A EUC THE MOTOR IS CONSTANTLY KEEPING THE RIDER BALANCED. WHEN YOU HIT A POT HOLE OR CLIMB A HILL OR ACCELERATE OR BRAKE HARD, THE CONTROLLER HAS TO SUDDENLY PRODUCE ADDITIONAL TORQUE TO KEEP THE WHEEL UNDERNEATH THE RIDER. THE EXTRA POWER IS SAFETY HEADROOM, AND I CAN SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE I RECENTLY BOUGHT THE MOST POWERFUL WHEEL THERE IS, AND I DIDN'T BUY IT BECAUSE I WANT TO DO 90 MILES AN HOUR. I BOUGHT IT BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN IN WRECKS AND LOST LOTS OF SKIN. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN.

MENT SO I WANTED THAT HEADROOM. SO I HAVE THE MOST POWERFUL, THE FASTEST EUC THAT YOU CAN BUY RIGHT NOW.

BUT I'M NEVER GONNA USE THAT HEAD END.

THE I NEED THAT TO KEEP ME SAFE. IF I AM RIDING 15 MILES AN HOUR ON A WHEEL CAPABLE OF 40, THE UNUSED WAFT IS NOT NECESSARILY THERE BECAUSE I WANT TO RIDE 40. PART OF THAT RESERVE ALLOWS A WHEEL TO RESPOND TO A POT HOLE OR PRODUCE THE TORQUE NEEDED DURING HARD BRAKING WITHOUT REACHING THE LIMITS OF IT BALANCING SYSTEM. THAT IS WHY WATTAGE IS PROBLEMATIC AS A CUTOFF FOR EUCS.

A HIGHER POWERED EUC CAN PROVIDE A LARGER SAFETY MARGIN WHILE BEING OPERATED AT THE EXACT SAME LEGAL SPEED.

WE DO NOT NORMALLY SAY A CAR IS LEGAL ROAD SPEED.

WE REGULATE HOW FAST THE DRIVER ACTUALLY OPERATES IT.

ILLINOIS RECENTLY ADDRESSED IT IN STATE LAW.

ITS HIGH SPEED PROVISION DOES NOT SAY CAPABLE OF MORE THAN 28 MILES AN HOUR. IT SAYS CAPABLE OF AND OPERATING IN SUCCESS OF 28 MILES AN HOUR. I AM NOT ASKING CARMEL TO ALLOW

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I AM ASKING THAT THE ACTUAL SPEED AND BEHAVIOR BE SEPARATED FROM THE CAPABILITY OF THE MACHINE.

THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANKS, GUYS.

>> THANK YOU. DR. CARTER.

>> MY NAME IS RON CARTER. I WANT TO TELL YOU I AM WEARING THIS SHIRT TONIGHT IN MEMORY OF MY GOOD FRIEND AND COUNCIL COLLEAGUE BRUCE KIMBALL. AL HE UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORTANCE OF THE MONAN AND OUR BIKING CULTURE TO THE CITY'S PRESENT AND FUTURE. THIS SHIRT WAS JUST ONE OF HIS IDEAS. THE I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU IS DESTINED TO BE A FAILURE JUST LIKE THE ONE PASSED A YEAR AGO.

WHY? BECAUSE IT IS SO TECHNICAL, HIGHLY COMPLICATED, AND MAKES NO PROVISION FOR EFFECTIVE MARKETING OF ITS FEATURESES AND BENEFITS TO THE PUBLIC.

THE GOAL OF THIS NEARLY TWO YEAR LONG EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN TO CURB BEHAVIOR ON PART OF BE OF A SUBSET OF USERS AND AT THE CITY AT LARGE MOST PREDOMINANTLY YOUNG RIDERS OF ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES. THAT GOAL HAS NOT BEEN ACHIEVED BECAUSE THERE HAS NOT BEEN EFFECTIVE ENFORCEMENT.

IN ADDITION THERE HAS CERTAINLY NOT BEEN EFFECTIVE AND FREQUENT COMMUNICATION. THE LACK OF ENFORCEMENT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE OFFICERS OF THE CARMEL POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT IS BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE PROVIDED THEM TO WORK WITH IS SO TECHNICAL. BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN IT CANNOT BE COMMUNICATED TO THEM PROPERLY.

AND AS A RESULT DECISIONS CANNOT BE MADE QUICKLY AT THE FIELD LEVEL. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY IT CANNOT BE MARKETED TO ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS WHO USE THE CITY'S BIKING INFRASTRUCTURE. EDUCATED USERS COULD HELP THE OFFICERS DO THEIR JOB. THE APPROACH YOU ARE TAKING IS BASED SOLELY ON ENFORCEMENT RATHER THAN ON INTENSIVELY EDUCATING THE STAKEHOLDERS FI FIRST.

AMONG THEM ARE BICYCLISTS, PEDESTRIANS, YOUTH WHO OWN AND RIDE E MOTORCYCLES. THE PARENTS WHO BUY THESE VEHICLES, AND THE OFFICERS CHARGED WITH ENFORCEMENT.

IF YOU DON'T EDUCATE FIRST THEN ENFORCE, YOU WILL BE BACK HERE WITHIN A YEAR DEALING WITH THE SAME PROBLEM.

BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMIC IMPORTANCE OF OUR BICYCLING CULTURE, IT IS IMPORTANT YOU TAKE A MORE CONSIDERED APPROACH TO THIS, ONE THAT IS BASED ON PRODUCING A BEST IN CLASS ORDINANCE FIRST. THEN EDUCATING ALL STAKEHOLDERS AND ONLY AFTER THAT LAUNCHING MEASURED ENFORCEMENT.

I KNOW YOU FOLKS ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THIS IN THE CARMEL WAY, THAT IS MAKING THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION A MODEL FOR ALL OTHER COMMUNITIES NEAR AND FAR. I URGE YOU TO SEND THIS BACK TO COMMITTEE WHICH IT APPEARS NOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR CARTER. BAILEY SANDLIN.

KELLY WILL BE ON DECK. >> HELLO.

I AM ALSO AN ELECTRIC UNICYCLE RIDER.

SAFETY IS OBVIOUSLY OUR TOP PRIORITY AS WELL.

EVERYBODY'S HAS TO BE. WE'RE NOT ASKING -- WE ARE ASKING FOR A LACK OF A TOTAL BAN AND INSTEAD A SENSIBLE RULE WE CAN ACTUALLY FOLLOW. THIS IS AN ELECTRIC UNICYCLE AND TO BE SPECIFIC THIS IS A SMALL ONE, NOT THE MOST POWERFUL ONE IF YOU CAN BELIEVE T BUT THIS IS A THOUSAND WATT MOTOR.

IT IS ONLY CAPABLE OF 25 MILES AN HOUR.

BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT HEADROOM IS IMPORTANT.

AL YOU DON'T GO 25 ON A WHEEL THAT CAN GO 25.

IF YOU DO, YOU'RE CRASHING. SO THESE DEVICES ARE SO HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY. THEY ARE GREENER.

THEY ARE JUST EASIER IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT.

YOU CAN GET PLACES EASIER. 15 MINUTE CITIES HAVE MADE IT TO WHERE WE CAN EASILY GET EVERYWHERE WE NEED TO.

IT'S A GREAT WAY. ONE OF THE WAYS THIS ORDINANCE HAS ALREADY CAUSED THIS LAST YEAR.

OUR GROUP NO LONGER COMES TO CAM.

WE USED TO MEET IN MIDTOWN. WE SPENT OUR MONEY AT SUN KING.

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WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE. WE GO DOWNTOWN AND THE GARAGE BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY WELCOME US.

AS HAS BEEN SAID, IT'S IMPORTANT POLICE FOCUS ON BEHAVIOR NOT JUST DEVICE BECAUSE WE ALLOW CORVETTES IN SCHOOL ZONES.

ITS A SMALL NUMBER OF USERS. EVEN ON THE KIDS SIDE IT STINKS THAT KIDS WILL PROBABLY BE AT THE SHORT END OF THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE EASIER TO POLICE. IT IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT NOW THE E MOTO AND ALL THAT. BUT THIS IS NOT A MOTO.

DOES IT LOOK LIKE A MOTORCYCLE? IT FIT IN THE CASE OF MY REAL MOTORCYCLE TO GET HERE TODAY. IT JUST SHOWS.

THIS IS A 1000 WATT MOTOR. 750 IS THE NUMBER I HEAR WHEN DISCUSSED. THAT IS MORE, LIKE, HOW BIG OF A HILL YOU CAN CLIMB. ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

THAT'S WHAT GOES INTO WATTAGE. ANOTHER THING I WANT TO BRING UP ESPECIALLY BECAUSE ROCKY DID GET PULLED UP THE OTHER DAY.

ROCKY IS A RESPECTFUL RIDER. AND HE GOT PULLED OVER.

HE PULLED OVER FOR THE COP TO BE RESPECTFUL.

THE RECKLESS RIDERS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO RUN FROM THE COPS. SO YOU'LL END UP ENFORCING ON PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE. A TOTAL BAN WOULD JUST MEAN THAT PEOPLE WILL IGNORE IT. PEOPLE WILL KEEP RIDING.

ACTUAL ENFORCEABLE RULES EMPEOPLE WILL FOLLOW TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY IF YOU JUST SAY I CAN'T GO ON THE OANON, I CAN'T, BUT I CAN'T AVOID EVERY SINGLE STREET.

AND I ENJOY THESE THINGS A LOT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. KELLY.

>> I'M BACK. TOPIC CHANGE.

THE GOOD EVENING. I AM KELLY NAGY, CARMEL RESIDENT. LET'S START WITH A LITTLE AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION. HOW MANY CATERPILLARS DOES IT TAKE TO RAISE JUST ONE NEST OF CHICKADEE BIRDS.

ANY GUESSES? 6 TO 9,000.

SO WE NEED A LOT OF CATERPILLARS TO HAVE SOME CHICKADEE FAMILIES IN CARMEL. AND I WAS SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT THOSE CATERPILLARS CAN'T EAT JUST ANY PLANT.

MANY INSECTS EVOLVE TO USE PARTICULAR NATIVE PLANTS AS FOOD. THEY ARE THE TREES AND FLOWERS THAT ARE FROM INDIANA BEFORE WE STARTED BRINGING IN PLANTS FROM OTHER CONTINENTS. AS AN EXAMPLE, IF WE COMPARE TWO TYPES OF MAPLES. THE RED MAIM SUPPORTS HUNDREDS OF CATERPILLARS. THE NONNATIVE NORWAY MAPLE, NO HUNGRY CATERPILLARS. NOBODY WILL EAT IT.

SO WHILE THESE NONNATIVE ORNAMENTALS CAN BE BEAUTIFUL AND GIVE US SHADE, IT'S BETTER TO THINK OF THEM LIKE SCULPTRES INSTEAD OF A PART OF THE FOOD WEB AND ECOSYSTEM.

WE ALL KNOW CARMEL LOVES ITS SCULPTURES.

BUT WHAT IF OUR LANDSCAPING COULD BE BEAUTIFUL AND FEED SOME CHICKADEES. CARMEL IS USING MORE AND MORE NATIVE PLANTS, AND A HUGE THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU THAT ARE MAKING THIS HAPPEN. THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS ABSOLUTELY CRUSHES IT. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT STRETCH INTO LANDSCAPES, MEDIANS, RIGHTS OF WAY, AND OTHER CITY-OWNED SPACES. BUT I DO HAVE ONE DONOR BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION. IF YOU DRIVE NORTH ON KEYSTONE INTO WESTFIELD, WESTFIELD IS WINNING.

THEY HAVE BEAUTIFUL NATIVE PLANTINGS IN THE MEDIANS, ON THE SIDE. THEY EVEN HAVE A SIGN, AND I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT CARMEL SHOULD NOT TAKE THIS LYING DOWN.

SORT OF IN THE SPIRIT OF ARMING OURSELVES FOR A FRIENDLY COMPETITION, I BROUGHT EACH OF YOU A COPY OF DOUG TALAMY'S ITCH IN A'S BEST HOPE. THAT IS WONDERFUL BOOK TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THE PLANTS THAT CALL INDIANA HOME.

TRULY IT SOUNDS NERDY BUT IT CHANGED MY LIFE.

AND CONVENIENTLY THE AUTHOR HIMSELF IS THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER ON OCTOBER 17TH AT THE NATIVE INDIANA PLANT CONFERENCE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME IS TO STAFF OF THE CITY WHO, WOULD ON OUR LANDSCAPING AND PUBLIC SPACES ATTEND AND BRING BACK SOME OF THOSE IDEAS TO CARMEL. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY I AM RAISING

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>> THANK YOU KELLY. HAVE YOU READ OUR RDO? IT'S A FASCINATING READ. IT'S NOT.

BUT WE DON'T ALLOW ANYTHING BUT NATIVE PLANTS BY THE CITY.

AND OUR CITY ARBOURIST PRESENTED A LIST OF WHAT WAS ALLOWED, AND THEN A YEAR AGO WE BROUGHT MANY IT TWO LANDSCAPE, ATECHS TO REVIEW THE LIST AND UPDATED THE LIST, AND CARMEL CAN'T PLANT

ANYTHING THAT'S NOT NATIVE. >> AMAZING.

SO MAYBE SPREAD THIS WITH NEIGHBOURS.

>> YOU SHOULD LOOK THROUGH THE LIST.

>> MAKE SURE I'M HAPPY WITH IT. THANK YOU.

IT'S THRIFTED. IT'S NOT A REAL LIBRARY BOOK.

>> BY THE WAY, LAST WEEK WAS NATIONAL PAPA DAY.

I LOOKED IT UP. IT IS A FRUIT TREE NATIVE TO INDIANA. INDIANA BANANA.

AL I DID NOT KNOW THAT. REALLY DISAPPOINTED I DIDN'T.

OLI DUNN OUR LAST SPEAKER. >> GOOD EVENING TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I AM A SENIOR AT CARMEL HIGH SCHOOL. I AM A MEMBER OF CARMEL MAYOR'S YOUTH COUNCIL, AND I AM HERE TO REPRESENT THE YOUTH OF CARMEL.

FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU DEDICATE TO OUR COMMUNITY. CARMEL IS A CITY THAT SO MANY OF US ARE PROUD TO CALL HOME. WE RECOGNIZE THAT KEEPING OUR RESIDENTS SAFE IS ONE OF YOUR MOST IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITIES.

HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THAT PROTECTING A COMMUNITY ALSO MEANS PROTECTING THE RIGHTS, PRIVACY, AND TRUST OF ITS RESIDENTS. I AM HERE TO PROTEST THE USE OF FLOCK CAMERAS IN THE COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.

WHILE THEY HAVE ADVANTAGES, I BELIEVE THEY REQUIRE MORE REGULATION TO REMAIN A POSITIVE TOOL FOR CARMEL.

WE ARE GROWING UP IN A WORLD WHERE MORE AND MORE OF OUR LIVES ARE DOCUMENTED AND TRACKED. FLOCK CAMERAS NOT SIMPLY RECORDING ISOLATED MOMENTS. THEY CREATE A SEARCHABLE RECORD OF VEHICLE MOVEMENTS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.

WITH OVER A HUNDRED AUTOMATED LICENCE PLATE READERS MAPPED IN CARMEL, WE NEED TO CONSIDER NOT JUST WHAT THIS TECHNOLOGY CAN D% BUT WHAT LIMITS SHOULD GOVERN ITS USE.

ST. LOUIS PARK INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING REVEALED THOUSANDS OF IMMIGRATION-RELATED SEARCHES MANY CONDUCTED BY OUTSIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN INFORMATION IN CARMEL IS ACCESSED BY SOMEONE OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY FOR A PURPOSE OUR RESIDENTS NEVER AGREED TO? I ALSO QUESTION HOW CAN CARMEL BE CONFIDENT THAT CITY OFFICIALS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE USING THIS RESPONSIBLY.

WHAT SAFEGUARDS ARE IN PLACE TO PREVENT UNAUTHORIZED SEARCHES AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE TO ENSURE HOW IT IS ACCESSED? EARLY THERE ARE YEAR AN INNED O'EN DEPARTMENT ABUSED ACCESS TO FLOCK BY STALKING HIS EX RUNNING HER LICENCE PLATE 2,055 TIMES.

PUBLIC TRUST CANNOT RELY SOLELY ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THOSE WITH ACCESS WILL ALWAYS USE IT APPROPRIATELY.

THE CITY SHOULD HAVE CLEAR POLICIES, INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT, AND MEANINGFUL CONSEQUENCES. I RECOGNIZE THAT FLOCK CAMERASES CAN SERVE A PURPOSE IN CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS BUT SUPPORTING PUBLIC SAFETY SHOULD NOT BEEN ACCEPTING UNLIMITED SURVEILLANCE AS THE COST OF LIVING IN A SAFE COMMUNITY.

I ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IF IT IS TRULY NECESSARY AND TO MAKE CAMERA LOCATIONS AND DATA SHARING PRACTICES MORE TRANSPARENT WHILE ENSURING STRICT LIMITS ARE PUT ON WHO CAN ACCESS THIS INFORMATION AND HOW IT CAN BE USED.

AS YOUNG PEOPLE WE MAY NOT ALWAYS BE INVOLVED, WE WILL DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES LONG AFTER.

WE WANT A CARMEL THAT DOESN'T MAKE US FEEL LIKE SUSPECTS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THE WORK YOU CONTINUE TO DO FOR OUR

COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[7. COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS]

NEXT UP IS COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS.

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AND THAT MAKES COUNCILLORMAN MINNAAR OUR DEPUTY MINISTER.

AND SHE HAS TO PICK A FAVOURITE SCHOOL.

MOHAWK TRAIL ELEMENTARY STUDENTS GRADUATING IN 2005 AND 2009.

SO THANK YOU. >> IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE READ THE

MAYOR'S COMMENTS. >> YES, SIR.

THESE ARE THE WORDS FROM MAYOR PINKHAM WHO COULDN'T BE HERE WITH US TONIGHT. SHE WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO READ THIS, AND IT STATES THE LAST TIME I WAS BEFORE YOU OUR COMMUNITY WAS FACING AN UNFOLDING CHALLENGE.

A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE WAS BEING LOST.

THE WHITE RIVER WAS THREATENING 106TH STREET, AND WE WERE WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK TO PREVENT AN EVEN GREATER CATASTROPHE. AS REPORTED WE PREVENTED THAT, BUT WE CAME INCREDIBLY CLOSE. SINCE THEN OUR FOCUS HAS SHIFTED TO RECOVERY AND REBUILDING. WHILE THE IMMEDIATE DANGER HAS PASSED, SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE CHALLENGES ARE AHEAD OF US. THE MOST IMPORTANTLY THERE ARE RESIDENTS WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN TURNED UPSIDE-DOWN AND WHO WILL BE DEALING WITH THE IMPACTS OF THIS FLOODING FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THE FIR ARE CITY EMPLOYEES.

TREES, ENGINEERING, POLICE, FIRE, CODE ENFORCEMENT, MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS, MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND COUNTLESS OTHER TEAM MEMBERS STEPPED UP IN EXTRAORDINARY WAYS.

THEY WORKED LONG HOURS, FOUND CREATIVE SOLUTIONS AND DID WHATEVER WAS NECESSARY TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY.

WHEN CARMEL NEEDED ITS PUBLIC EMPLOYEES TO SHOW UP AND GO THE EXTRA MILE, THEY DID SO IN AN EXTRAORDINARY FASHION.

I AM INCREDIBLY PROUD OF ALL OF THEM.

I AM TOO. TO OUR CITY COUNCIL, THAT'S US, ME, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THIS EMERGENCY PARTICULARLY YOUR COMMITMENT TO HELPING OUR RESIDENT WHO SUFFERED HEADACHE AND LOSSES. YOUR PARTNERSHIP HAS HELPED US RESPOND QUICKLY AND KEEP THE NEEDS OF FLOOD SURVIVORS AT THE ENTER OF OUR WORK. I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR Select to skip to this part of the video">ENTER OF OUR WORK. I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR PARTNERS AT HAMILTON COUNTY, THE STATE OF INDIANA, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. FROM EMERGENCY RESOURCES AND THE INDIANA NATIONAL GUARD TO RECOVER ASSISTANCE AND TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, EVERY DAY HAS MADE A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE.

AND ON OUR PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNERS MANY OF THEM SHOWED UP WITH THE EQUIPMENT, EXPERTISE, DONATIONS, AND SIMPLE OFFERS OF SUPPORT, THANK YOU. WE COMPLETED OUR AFTER ACTION REVIEW AND ARE USING WHAT WE LEARNED TO STRENGTHEN OUR RESPONSE. THERE IS STILL A LOT OF WORK AHEAD. THE RECONSTRUCTION WILL TAKE TIME. FOR FAMILIES TRYING TO PUT THEIR LIVES AND HOMES BACK TOGETHER, RECOVERY IS FAR FROM OVER.

THE NATURE OF THE CHALLENGE OF OUR AUGUST FLOODS HAS CHANGED AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. AT THE START, THE CITY TOOK THE LEAD IN ASSET PREPARATION AND EVALUATION.

A THE PRIORITIES EVOLVE AND FAMILIES SEEKING ANSWERS FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES AND ASSISTANCE FROM FEMA BECOMES THE MOST CRITICAL CONCERN. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SOLVE EVERY CHALLENGE THEY MIGHT FACE, BUT WE WILL ADVOCATE FOR THEM, OFFER ADVICE AND FEEDBACK ON REBUILDING PLANS AND NO FEE PERMITS ANDINGS IF HADS. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED US GET THIS FAR, AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR YOUR CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

MAYOR FINKHAM. >> THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCILLOR MINNAAR FOR SHARING HER WORDS.

WE HAVE A COUNCIL COMMENT THROUGH THE MOUTH OF ANOTHER

INDIVIDUAL. >> SURE.

AND I WILL PASS THE COMMENT SECTION FROM ME BECAUSE YOU HEARD MY VOICE WAY TOO MUCH OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS TO FEMA WHO IS OUT OF TOWN ELSEWHERE. HE IS HERE TONIGHT TO PUT A FACE TO THE HUMANS THERE BEHIND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND HE HAS SOME INFORMATION HE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.

>> HI, EVERYONE. I WORK FOR FEMA INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS. SO OUR ROLE IS TO COME INTO A DISASTER AREA, WORK WITH LOCAL OFFICIALS ON RECOVERY ISSUES RELATED TO INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE AND ALSO IN CASE WORK RELATED TO SURVIVOR NEEDS. FIRST WANT YOU TO FOLLOW THROUGH AN INSURANCE CLAIM FIRST, WHAT ALL YOU ARE ENTITLED TO FIRST.

AND THEN ANY UMS IT YOU CAN APPLY TO US WHETHER THAT DISASTERASSISTANCE.GOV OR THE 1-800 NUMBER.

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I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN SEE IT. BUT THAT BADGE YOU CAN'T TAKE A PICTURE OF IT, BUT YOU CAN ASK TO SEE THAT.

AND ALL FEMA INSPECTORS WILL HAVE A REGISTRATION NUMBER OF THE SURVIVOR IN FRONT OF THEM ON THE PORTAL.

AND THEN IF THE INSPECTION IS COMPLETE, YOU WILL RECEIVE THIS DECISION LETTER. IF YOU AGREE, DISAGREE YOU CAN APPEAL BUT THERE IS ANOTHER SOURCE FUND THAT PEOPLE CAN USE.

AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT TOO.

SO SECOND FLYER WE HAVE THE FEMA WHICH IS THE FINANCIAL LODGING EXPENSE AND ALSO THE OTHER NEEDS CATEGORY 2.

FUNERAL, MEDICAL, DENTAL, DISASTER, PERSONAL PROPERTY, TRANSPORTATION, OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. ALSO A REALLY GENEROUS LOAN PROCESS.

GET 500,000 IN PERSONAL PROPERTY.

RENTERS GET UP TO 100,000. FEMA COLLABORATES TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T DUPLICATE BENEFITS WHICH IS PRETTY AWESOME FOR SURVIVORS. ALSO THE LAST SPEC SHEET HAS A REALLY GOOD BREAKDOWN OF WHAT POSSIBLE HOUSING ASSISTANCE.

IF YOU DO DISPLACEMENT. YOU ALSO HAVE HOME REPLACEMENTS.

IF YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES OR CONCERNS, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME WITH CONSTITUENT ISSUES. WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE ALL THE FUNDS THEY ARE ENTITLED TO. IT CAN BE A LONG PROCESS.

MENT THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE AND I PUT MY SIGNATURE AT THE END OF THE EMAIL SO YOU HAVE MY CONTACT INFORMATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND DISASTER RECOVERY.

>> IF PEOPLE NEED TO SEE THOSE, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SEE THEM? OKAY. I WAS PLUGGING YOU TO GIVE YOUR

WEBSITE SO PEOPLE CAN. >> TO THE WEBSITE.

IF YOU TYPE SO THE DISASTER NUMBER IS 4933 INDIANA.

AND IT HAS ALL THE DECLARATION INFORMATION ON THERE AND ALL THE FACT SHEETS TOO. AND I PRETTY MUCH I THINK ON THE FACT SHEET I RELEASED TO YOU. YOU HAVE A CITY OF CARMEL PAGE.

YOU CAN RELEASE THAT TOO. OR IF YOU HAVE A PERSONAL FACEBOOK PAGE. ANYTHING I SENT TO YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS FACT SHEETS AND GRAPHICS OPEN SOURCE MATERIAL FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION. WE WANT TO GET THE WORD OUT TO SURVIVORS. ALL INFORMATION AND

COMMUNICATION WE HAVE. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COUNCIL COMMENTS, OBSERVATIONS?

>> MR. PRESIDENT. IAL ARE DO THINK WE NEED TO GIVE A BIG SHOUTOUT TO THE ROTARY CLUB OF CARMEL.

YOU KNOW, THE 50TH BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR CARMEL WAS HELD ON FRIDAY. THE PRESIDENT SNYDER MENTIONED IT BUT I JUST WANT TO REINFORCE IT BECAUSE THAT, THE GROUNDS WERE UNBELIEVELY DECORATED. SPENT A TON OF WORK.

COUNTLESS MAN HOURS PUTTING THAT TOGETHER IN ORDER TO CELEBRATE OUR CITY BECOMING A CITY 50 YEARS AGO.

SO ROTARY CLUB OF CARMEL IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL, IT WAS, IT WAS JUST A SPECTACULAR EVENT.

I WISH MORE PEOPLE COULD HAVE ATTENDED.

A LOT OF GOING ON FRIDAY NIGHTS IN SEPTEMBER, BUT IT WAS GREAT.

THANK YOU, PRESIDENT SNYDER FOR EMCEEING AND BEING A GREAT

HULA-HOOP REFEREE. >> I WILL SHARE I WAS ASKING PEOPLE BECAUSE JEFF USUALLY DOES THESE THINGS HOW WELL I DID THESE THINGS. AND WAS IT THE LAST TIME I ANSWERED THE QUESTION, AND I WAS PHRASING IT ON A SCALE OF ONE TO JEFF WORRELL, HOW DID I DO? GOES I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU UNTIL JEFF SPOKE. NOW YOU'RE A 2.

BUT IT WAS A FANTASTIC EVENT. AND ROTARY, NANCY, AND MONACO SIGNATURE GROUP, AND OSBOURNE ASSOCIATES ALL DONATED THEIR TIME, AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT DONATED MONEY.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IT WAS A FUN, FUN EVENING.

THANK YOU TO JEFF AND THE COUNCIL THAT WERE THERE HANDING OUT ICE CREAM. IT WAS AWESOME.

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WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT IS 35 YEARS AGO THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A PARK SYSTEM. NOW, THERE ARE.

AND IN 35 YEARS IT WENT FROM NO SYSTEM TO THE GREATEST PARK SYSTEM IN THE WORLD BY EVER MEASURABLE METRIC.

IT IS MIND BLOWING. 93,000 MUNICIPALITIES WITH PARKS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND WE'RE THE BEST.

HAPPY 35TH BIRTHDAY TO THE PARKS.

>> ALSO THIS MONTH AT THE NATIONAL RECREATION PARK ASSOCIATION MEETING FOR REACCREDITATION AT THEIR CONFERENCE FOR A POSSIBLE THIRD TIME GOLD MEDAL WINNER.

>> ALREADY THE FIRST TWO TIMES. THEN THEY CHANGED THE RULES SO THAT THEY COULDN'T SUBMIT ANYMORE WHAT IS IT EVERY SIX YEARS NOW THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SUBMIT? BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO LET OTHER PARKS FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES WHICH SUCKS FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS CARMEL CLAY RECREATION. NEXT UP.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HAVING TROUBLE NAVIGATING FEMA. I'LL SEND PEOPLE YOUR WAY AND REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME IN ATTENDANCE FOR THAT REASON. I JUST WANT TO SAY TO YOU.

TALK ACT RESOURCES AND WAYS TO HELP.

MENT IIC A KNOWLEDGE THAT THE LIST OF EXPENSES AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH WHEN THIS SAYS UNMET NEEDS, I AM SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW A LOT OF THE UNMET NEEDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP TRYING TO WORK TO TRY TO FIND WAYS TO SEND YOU SOME RESOURCES OR THINGS THAT WE CAN HELP, BUT DON'T THINK WE'RE SITTING HERE SAYING EVERYTHING IS FINE.

WE KNOW HOW TOUGH IT IS. KEEP COMMUNICATING WITH US.

I WILL KEEP TRYING TO FIND NEW WAYS TO SEND YOU TO SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN. THE WE DO APPRECIATE ALLEN BEING HERE. MENT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

THE WE PUT UP A GRAPHIC AND KNOW WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON IT.

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

>> ANYBODY ELSE? NEXT UP CONSENT AGENDA.

APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AUGUST 17, 2016, REGULAR MEETING AND AUGUST 17, 2026, REGULAR MEETING.

>> THE MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> SEPTEMBER 3, 2026, CLAIMS MEETING.

CLAIMS, PAYROLL IN 53 MILLION. THE BONUS PAYROLL 468 -- GENERAL CLAIMS AND PURCHASE CARD $31,590 AND ONE CENT.

WIRE TRANSFERS $219,674 AND 14 CENTS.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION. >> DO WE SEPARATE THOSE OUT OR DO THEM ALL THREE TOGETHER? DO WE SEPARATE OUT THE MINUTES?

>> WELL, I HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN DOING THE CLAIMS TOGETHER BUT HAVE I BEEN DOING THAT INCORRECTLY?

>> THAT'S THE TYPICAL PROTOCOL BUT CAN BE SEPARATED OUT IF NEED BE. IF THE VOTE IS GOING TO DIFFER

BETWEEN DIFFERENT ITEMS. >> THE CONSENT AGENDA WAS ALL TOGETHER. IT'S JUST ONE BIG VOTE.

IF YOU WANT TO SEPARATE IT WE CAN HAVE AS MANY VOTES AS YOU

WANT. >> OH, I HAVE TRIED TO JUST DO MINUTES AND CLAIMS. I ONLY SEPARATED THE MINUTES TODAY BECAUSE IT WAS TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND NORMALLY WE ONLY HAVE ONE. WE'RE GOOD.

THE ALL RIGHT. DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THE I AM SORRY KELOWNA. COMMITTEE REPORTS.

I KNOW YOU ARE VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT DR. DOJI HAS TO SAY ABOUT MICROMOBILITY. OH, SO SORRY I MYSELFED

[15. AGENDA ADD-ON ITEMS]

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SO NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA IS THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR THE INVESTIGATION WHICH WAS CHAIRED BY RYAN LOCKE.

IF YOU WOULD TAKE OVER, PLEASE. >> SURE.

AND KEEP IT PROCEDURAL TONIGHT JUST ON WHERE WE ARE.

WE RECEIVED THE REPORT BACK ON AUGUST 20TH.

TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT REPORT AS THE FINAL REPORT OF THE INVESTIGATION AND MAKE IT A PUBLIC RECORD FOR PURPOSES OF SHARING WITH THE PUBLIC AND FOR

FEEDBACK. >> SECOND.

>> THAT CARRIES TO. PUT A PIN ON IT, THE INVESTIGATION IS EFFECTIVELY OVER AND AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST.

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

>> IT IS A HOT TOPIC. IT IS ALSO COMPLEX AS YOU HEARD.

I KNOW IT IS EASY TO SAY LET JUST FOCUS ON SPEED AND BEHAVIOR. BUT STAYING COMPLIANT WITH STATE STATUTE WORKING ALSO ON EDUCATION OF THE PUBLIC AND WITH THE TECHNOLOGY ADVANCING FASTER THAN ANY REGULATIONS HAVE BEEN DOES PRESENT A GREAT DEAL OF CHALLENGE.

I THINK THE ONE THING I HAVE BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH AS WE WORKED THROUGH THIS A YEAR AGO WHEN NOBODY WAS AIN'T DEFINE WHAT A EMOTO OR CLASS THERE. THERE WERE SO MANY ISSUES COMING UP AND ISSUES WITH THIS. THE HOW DO WE HANDLE THIS.

I THINK WE TOOK ON A DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE DO VALUE THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR RESIDENTS. I AS A PEDIATRICIAN ESPECIALLY VALUE THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE OUT GETTING EXERCISE AND BEING HEALTHY AND BEING ABLE TO SOCIALIZE AND BE WITH THEIR FRIENDS.

AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S OUR JOB TO ENSURE THAT THEY STAY SAFE.

SO AS AN UPDATE ON THIS, WE HAVE TAKEN FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC.

THERE WAS GREAT DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF MONTH AGO ABOUT DISMOUNT ZONES AND SHOULD WE HAVE THOSE AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE. AND WE TOOK A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND WENT BACK TO COMMITTEE AND DISCUSSED THOSE IN DETAIL AND DECIDED THAT THAT WAS NOT AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO HAVE A BIKE FRIENDLY BIKE SAFE ULTRACAN, AND SO WE REMOVED THOSE FROM THIS ORDINANCE. WE FOCUSED ON ENFORCEMENT.

WE WORKED HAND IN GLOVE WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS VERY CLOSELY AND LISTENED TO THEIR FEEDBACK ON THEIR ISSUES THAT THEY WERE HAVING AND DID SOME UP WITH A FEE STRUCTURE OF FINES THAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE. AND THOSE ARE BEING DISCUSSED AND ARE IN THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY.

THERE HAS ALSO BEEN CHANGES IN THE HELMETING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE TREAT E-MOTOS AS WHAT THEY ARE WHICH IS MOTOR-DRIVEN CYCLES. THEY QUALIFY AS MOTORCYCLES WHICH MEANS THEY BELONG ON THE STREET WHICH MEANS THEY ALSO BELONG WITH HELMETS UNDER THE AGE OF 18.

OVER THE AGE OF 18 YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE A DONOR CYCLE IF ALWAYS REFERRED TO THEM AS AS A PHYSICIAN BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A CRASH WITHOUT A HELMET ON A MOTORCYCLE. SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR CHILDREN TO HAVE THAT RULE SO THAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN INTO THIS ORDER UNANIMOUS. WE HAVE ALSO GONE THROUGH THE IMPORTANCE OF DECIDING SOME CORRECTIONS WE HAVE MADE.

TALKING TO THE DMV AND POLICE DEPARTMENT THERE IS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ON LICENCING AND REGISTERING THESE VEHICLES THAT IS NOT PART OF STATE CODE AT THE MOMENT.

AND WE ARE IN CONVERSATION TO HAVE THAT OCCURRING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. SO THE REASON WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THIS ORDER UNANIMOUS THIS EVENING IS BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS SUCH A THING AS AN ELECTRIC UNICYCLE, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EDUCATION. THE I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

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BUT THAT MEANS WE SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT IS MEANINGFUL AND ISN'T JUST SIMPLE BUT IS COMPREHENSIVE, DOES MAKE SENSE, AND YES, WE MUST EDUCATE THE PUBLIC. SO TO ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE HEAR YOU AND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. SO THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT THIS MOMENT. IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, THE LATEST ORDINANCE HAS BEEN SENT OUT THAT WE HAVE.

BUT WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE

MADE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR.

I SPOKE BEFORE THE MEETING THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY SOME OF THIS SO I'M NOT TAKING ANYBODY BY SURPRISE.

I THINK IT IS IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE BUT SINCE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAUSE IT, THERE IS ONE THING THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE ORDINANCE. I WANTED TO BRING IT UP AGAIN THE IDEA OF IMPLEMENTING AN AGE MINIMUM FOR CLASS 1 AND 2E BIKES IN THE MOANON WHERE WE CAN REALLY ENFORCE IT BECAUSE OF STATE LAW. THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO ENFORCE IT NEWS IF YOU SEE SOMEONE, HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE 10 YEARS OLD OR 13 YEARS OLD JUST BY LOOKING AT THEM.

I UNDERSTAND THAT AGE ITSELF MAY NOT BE THE PROBABLE CAUSE FOR STOPPING SOMEONE ON A E BIKE IN THE AREA, BUT IF SOMEONE ALREADY COMMITTED AN OFFENCE LIKE RIDING A WHEELIE, RECKLESS BEHAVIOR THEN THE OFFICER CAN TICKET THEM UNDER TWO THINGS, BOTH THE BEHAVIOR AND YOU'RE 10 YEARS OLD.

YOU SHOULDN'T BE RIDING A CLASS 1 OR 2E BIKE.

PARENT GETS BOTH OF THOSE TICKETS.

THE PARENT WOULD HOPEFULLY CORRECT THOSE BEHAVIORS.

RIGHT NOW WE WON'T DON'T HAVE ANY AGE MINIMUM.

WE DO THOUGH HAVE RULES ABOUT E-MOTO.

SO OFFICERS DO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER DEVICES AND HELMETS. WE HAVE THAT ALREADY BUT NOT FOR E-BIKES ONE AND TWO. WE ARE ASKING THEM TO USE THE AGE DISCRETION FOR OTHER THINGS IN THIS ORDINANCE.

SAN DIEGO JUST ADOPTED 12. YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 12 FOR CLASS 1 AND 2 E-BIKES. GLENDALE, ARIZONA, HAD THE AGE OF 14. STATE OF NEW YORK HAS 15.

THIS IS SOMETHING CITIES HAVE FIGURED OUT.

AND HOPEFULLY SOMETHING WE CONSIDER SOME LANGUAGE AND HOW IT CAN BE ENFORCED BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE SEND THE MESSAGE, YOU KNOW, MY DAUGHTER IS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND THERE ARE SO MANY KIDS THAT ARE 8, 9 YEARS OLD RIDING -- THEY REALLY ARE! AND IT JUST SURPRISES ME. AND IF YOU GO DOWN ON THE MOANON ON A BUSY, WARM EVENING YOU WILL SEE DOZENS OF KIDS VERY YOUNG RIDING HIGH SPEED BIKES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO TARGET THE BEHAVIOR. SO IF WE HAVE TIME I WOULD LIKE

TO CONSIDER THAT AGE MINIMUM. >> I WILL NEED TO YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY. I APOLOGIZE TO THE COUNCIL.

BUT HAVE YOU ALREADY SENT THIS LATEST ITERATION OUT OF

COMMITTEE? >> YEAH.

THE LATEST DID COME OUT OF COMMITTEE.

AND SERGEI WAS MAKING SOME TWEAKS AND SENT ANOTHER EMAIL

SAYING HE WAS WORKING ON THINGS. >> WHEN YOU SAY IS IT THE ONE IN

OUR PAQUETTE? >> THAT THE LATEST THAT I HAVE

HE, YES. >> MOSTLY I WANT TO WHEN I'M RESPONDING TO EMAILS I HAVE BEEN SAYING THERE'S NOTHING IN FRONT OF US. NOW THERE IS SOMETHING IN FRONT OF US. THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU THERE WILL BE ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEETING BETWEEN.

CAN WE SEND IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO TAKE SOME OF THE

INPUT FROM TODAY? >> I AM I AM HAPPY TO TAKE IT

BACK TO COMMITTEE. >> ONE THING THAT CROSSED MY MIND IS SHOULD IT GET APPROVED, I WOULD LIKE TO COORDINATE OUR IMPLEMENTATION WITH IT WITH CARMEL CLAY RECREATION BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR RULES AT THE SAME TIME.

>> AND I THINK WE DID HAVE SOME CONVERSATION THERE.

MENT TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING COHESIVE.

>> YOU'RE DOING FINE. BUT HASN'T BEEN ON THEIR BOARD PACT YET. MAYBE THEY'RE LAGGING BEHIND US.

WHEN WE GET TO A POINT THATTURE VERY FORTUNATABLE AND WE CAN AGREE ON, PERHAPS WE CAN DO IT IN A TIGHTER TIMEFRAME.

I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH THIS HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL.

TAKING IN RIGHT UP TO THIS EVENING TAKING EVERYBODY'S BE

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ITEM. >> YES, THAT IS STILL IN

COMMITTEE AS WELL. >> AND IS THAT STILL BEING

DISCUSSED? >> THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED

YET BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN. >> YOU HAVE BEEN BUSY.

>> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING CITY ATTORNEYS TO SORT OF REWORK SOME OF THAT. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED BUT THEN CITY ATTORNEYS TOOK BACK UNDER ADVISEMENT AFTER SOME CONVERSATION OR MAKING SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO THAT ORDINANCE AND BRINGING IT BACK AGAIN.

SOME WE DID GET THE PUBLIC. MENT THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO REMIND ME OF THAT.

YOU BE YES, WE DID DISCUSS IT. TOOK PUBLIC INPUT AS WELL.

SPOKE TO PEOPLE WHO HAD ISSUE WITH USING THE FACILITY AT DIFFERENT TIMES. SO WE DID OPEN THE DISCUSSION

AGAIN. >> OKAY.

SO CITY HALL STILL IN COMMITTEE BEING DISCUSSED.

IT'S ONGOING. THE MICROMOBILITY CAME BACK.

IT'S BEING SENT BACK TO COMMITTEE FOR COLLABORATION, NEW FEEDBACK. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM STATING THAT CLEAR. AT THE MOMENT AS OF RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOTHING YET IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL.

IT IS BACK IN COMMITTEE HANDS. >> WHEN IS THE NEXT MEETING?

>> WELL, I THINK WITH THIS COMING BACK INTO COMMITTEE, I'M SORRY. BUT WE WILL MEET ON THURSDAY.

WE HAVE CHANGED IT FROM THURSDAYS TO WEDNESDAYS.

INITIALLY WERE SUPPO SUPPOSED TE SOME TIME TO DIGEST AND PERHAPS TAKE IT INTO THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT IF THERE IS AN APPETITE TO HAVE IT ON THURSDAY, WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK IF HE WILL BE BACK ON THURSDAY BECAUSE

HE IS A KEY PERSON. >> HE IS CRITICAL TO THAT PIECE.

THAT'S WHY WE WERE HOLDING. I DON'T THINK HE COMES BACK UNTIL I DON'T KNOW WHAT DATE THAT IS.

THAT MAY NOT BE FAIR TO I AM HAD.

THAT HAVE ONE OF THE REASONS WE WERE HOLDING YOU HAVE AN ON HAVING A MEETING IS THAT WE WANTED TO GET BACK WITH HIM AND CIRCLE BACK AROUND. SO.

>> SO WITHOUT MICROMOBILITY ARE YOU HAVING A LAND USE MEETING?

>> NO. >> NO LAND USE MEETING THIS WEEK

CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> AND TBD ON YOUR NEXT ONE BUT MORE LIKELY THAN NOT AFTER THE

NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? >> NO.

IT'S ALWAYS AFTER NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

THIS WAS JUST BECAUSE OF THE VACATION.

>> SO FOR THE PUBLIC THIS WILL REMAIN IN THE COMMITTEE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. THERE WILL BE A FURTHER COMMUNITY DISCUSSION AT THE LAND USE MEETING FOLLOWING THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. AND THEN IT WILL COME BACK TWO

WEEKS FROM NOW. >> YES, THAT IS ACCURATE.

>> THANK YOU. >> OUR LAST MEETING WAS AUGUST 3 WHEN WE HAD TOMBS TO ADDRESS. ASSUMING THERE MUST BE SOMETHING ASSIGNED TO OUR COMMITTEE THIS EVENING.

PROBABLY LOOK AT AUGUST 5TH BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEET ORGAN OCTOBER 5TH UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

>> AND THERE WILL BE SOMETHING ASSIGNED TO YOUR COMMITTEE THIS EVENING, SO YOU THINK AUGUST 6TH IS A SET DATE FOR

THE PUBLIC? >> WILL HAVE TO CLEAR IT WITH THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BUT OCTOBER 5TH AT

[11.a. Carmel Redevelopment Commission (Monthly)]

4:30. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. CARMEL'S REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HERE TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF REDEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES LAST MONTH AFTER WHICH I WILL BRIEFLY DISCUSS A VOTE THAT TOOK PLACE JUST LAST WEDNESDAY AT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION RELATED TO THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL. LET'S JUST BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. MENT MOANON SQUARE NORTH CONTINUES ITS CONSTRUCTION. THE SIGNS FOR THE RESTAURANT CONSTRUCTION ALBERTA ARE NOW UP. LOTS OF GREAT PROGRESS GOING ON THERE. CONTINUES ITS CONSTRUCTION, AND WE THANK THE OLD TOWN DESIGN GROUP FOR THAT IMAGE ON THE TOP LEFT. CONDOS CONTINUE THEIR CONSTRUCTION. KEEP ON MOVING IN.

LOTS OF GREAT WORK ON HAMILTON CROSSING FOR OUR REPUBLIC FRIENDS. PUBLIC AIRWAYS SPECIFICALLY.

IF YOU HAVE BEEN BY THE SITE YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN A DEMO HAPPENING ON THE SITE. ICON CONTINUES TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. HOPEFULLY THAT PLAZA COMES ONLINE LATER THIS YEAR. AT THE AT&T SITE THEY ARE NOW

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PLAZA CONTINUES MAKING GREAT PROGRESS.

AND SO IS NORTH END PHASE 2. OKAY.

ON WEDNESDAY THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION -- OKAY.

WE'RE GONNA FIGURE THIS OUT. YEAH, TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

SORRY. JUST GIVE ME A SECOND.

>> WHILE YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO EXPLAIN TO US IS JUST INFORMATIVE. YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED THE DEALS SURROUNDING THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL.

THE NEGOTIATING AUTHORITY FOR THAT AND THERE IS NO COUNCIL ACTION HERE. IT IS JUST A FYI.

>> ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I JUST NEED MY COMPUTER TO WORK.

>> THE WAY YOU EXPLAINED IT, IT IS NOT THAT DEEP IF YOU WANT TO

JUST USE WORDS. >> YEAH, NO.

I'M GONNA SHOW PICTURES EVEN THOUGH.

THE WAY I WOULD LIKE BECAUSE PICTURE ARE IMPORTANT.

JUST BEAR WITH ME HERE. OKAY.

THE WE'LL START ON PAGE 6. SO I WAS HERE LATE LAST YEAR.

TO DISCUSS THE EXPANSION THAT WAS HAPPENING.

SO THE SAME EXPANSION THAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT IN THE NEWSPAPERS, THE SAME THINGS ARE PHYSICALLY HAPPENING.

THERE IS JUST A BIT MORE DETAILS ON HOW.

SO LET ME JUST GO THROUGH WHAT IS PHYSICALLY HAPPENING.

FIRST, IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE DAGIO LOUNGE LATELY, WHEN YOU FIRST WALK INTO THE HOTEL AT THE PLAZA LEVEL, SO ESSENTIALLY THE THE SEATING AREA HAS BEEN EXPANDED AND THERE IS A CURRENT BOARDROOM THAT WILL GO AWAY AND IT WILL EXPAND INTO THE BOARDROOM SO EVEN MORE PEOPLE CAN ENJOY OUR 4 TOASTS AT THE HOTEL. STEP ONE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. SECOND, BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING UP A BOARDROOM WE ARE GOING TO BALD NEW LEFT ARMER BOARDROOM.

SO THAT IS STEP 2. STEP 3 THERE IS ALREADY A 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF MEETING SPACE CURRENTLY IN THE HOTEL INCLUDING A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT BALL ROOM. SO THIS ESSENTIALLY DOUBLES THE SIZE OF OUR BALL ROOM. THERE WILL BE TWO NOW.

OBVIOUSLY THE ONE THAT WE HAVE HAS THE NICE WINDOWS AND VIEWS, BUT THERE WILL BE TWO. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A WEDDING CEREMONY IN THE FANCY BALLROOM AND EVERYBODY EATS IN THE SECOND BALLROOM AND COMES BACK.

JUST A WAY TO UTILIZE THE HOTEL MORE AND MAKE MORE MONEY.

FINALLY THERE ARE 60 MORE HOTEL ROOMS THAT WILL COME ON LINE.

9 ARE DOUBLE ROOMS. 18 ARE EXECUTIVE SUITES.

AND 3 ARE PRESIDENTIAL SUITE. AND THEN WE ARE BRINGING IN SERVICES IN HOUSE KITCHEN AND LAUNDRY.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.

LET ME JUST GIVE YOU THE QUICK TAKEAWAYS FROM THE STRUCTURE.

SO FIRST THING HAPPENING IS NOW THE HOTEL IS GROWING FROM 120 KEYS TO 180 KEYS. SO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION'S PORTION WHICH IS THIS ONE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLACK IS GOING TO BE A SMALLER PIECE OF AN ULTRAMANY LARGER HOLE.

SO BEFORE OUR OWNERSHIP WAS 50% AND OVER, NOW IT WILL FALL TO 45 HERS. BUT THE HOTEL IS GROWING BY 60 ROOMS AND MORE SO. NUMBER 1 FIRST TAKEAWAY.

NOW ALL DECISIONS IN THE HOTEL REQUIRE 60% SUPERMAJORITY FOR DIG MAKING. SOMEBODY MIGHT SAY ISN'T THAT LESS THAN 50%? NOTHING WILL HAPPEN WITHOUT THE CITY'S APPROVAL. 66% SUPERMAJORITY.

THAT'S STEP ONE. THIS IS THE BIG POINT.

WE CURRENTLY HAD ABOUT A $21 MILLION VALUE IN THE EXISTING HOTEL AFTER DEBT. THE ENTIRETY OF THE EXPANSION IS BEING PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE, AND THE CITY'S VALUE WILL GROW

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THAT'S POINT TWO. POINT THREE, WHEN THE INITIAL HOTEL DEAL WAS DONE THERE WAS A GUARANTEE OF THE CRC RELATED TO THE HOTEL. THAT WAS ABOUT A $26 MILLION GUARANTEE. AS PART OF THIS, THE GUARANTEE WILL BE LIMITED TO 40% OF OUTSTANDING PRINCIPLE WHICH IS $10.2 MILLION. SO WE ARE CUTTING OUR GUARANTEE IN HALF. OUR GUARANTEE OBLIGATION IN HALF. LET ME JUST GO THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICK. IN 2026, AGAIN THE COMMISSION VOTED FOR THIS ON WEDNESDAY, SO HOPEFULLY WILL START CONSTRUCTION. THE PORTION WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IN 27 THE HOTEL WILL MAKE AS INITIALLY ENVISIONED WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

28 IS A SPECIAL YEAR BECAUSE EVERYTHING OPENS, BUT WE ARE STILL PROBABLY IN INTEREST ONLY AND NOT PRINCIPAL REPAYMENTS WHICH IS WHY IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE MAKING 100% MORE THAN BEFORE. REALLY BY 29 YOU'RE STABILIZED.

SO THIS IS THE BIG ANSWER. CC IS NOT PUTTING IN THE EXTRA DOLLARS. HOTELS START MAKING 50% MORE REVENUE PER YEAR. AND THAT IS HE SHALL ISLY THE SUMMARY. SO A MUCH MORE FUR DISCUSSION CAN BE SEEN ON VIDEO FROM THE WEDNESDAY MEETING BUT ESSENTIALLY THE HOTEL IS GROWING BY $5 MILLION WITHOUT PUTTING MONEY IN. AND OUR GUARANTEE OBLIGATIONS

ARE PUT IN HALF. >> I THINK YOU NEED TO POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE A NEW BUYER. THERE'S A NEW INVESTOR.

YOU HAVE SHOWN THAT BUT YOU NEED TO SAY THAT.

>> TOTALLY RIGHT THAT WAS DISCUSSED ON WEDNESDAY BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IS OUR LONG-TIME HOTEL MANAGERS IS PUTTING IN CASH INTO THE DEAL.

SO IT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE. IT'S ONLY $2 MILLION.

BUT WHAT IT DOES IS VALIDATES HOW SUCCESSFUL THIS IS FROM THE OUTSIDE. IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE THAT.

SO WE ARE BECOMING A SMALLER PIECE OF A LARGER HOLE WITHOUT ANY MONEY TO BE SPENT. SO OUR MONEY GOES UP AND

EQUITIES GO DOWN. >> THE OTHER THING TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU HELP COO SAYING OUR VALUE WENT FROM X TO Y. ORAL IS ZERO BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS. NOBODY COULD AGREE ON A VALUE.

SO WHEN NOBODY THINKS THERE'S X VALUE, THE VALUE IS ZERO.

SO NOW BY HAVING SOMEBODY BOUGHT IN AT A PRICE AT A PERCENTAGE, WE NOW KNOW WHAT OUR VALUE IS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER I WOULD

SAY. >> ACCURATE.

THAT'S TRUE. >> I'M SORRY GO AHEAD.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE WINKING AT ME.

GO AHEAD. >> YOU'LL START RUMOURS.

FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE DIRECTOR FOR THE PRESENTATION, BUT AT THE CRC MEETING ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUND REALLY IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT WAS THAT TWO LONG TIME RESIDENTS, BANKERS AT CARMEL, CHALIO.

I NEVER SAY IT RIGHT. SORRIER TO CHUCK.

AND DAVE BOWERS, LONG-TIME RESIDENT AND BANKERS HERE, THEY WORKED WITH THE CRC, VETTED THIS PROJECT BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS.

AND AT THE END OF THE MEETING I CONSIDER THIS A WIN WIN BECAUSE WE ARE HELPING OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS BUT AT THE END OF THE MEETING AS WELL, IT IS ALSO IMPLIED I WOULD NOW LOVE NOW THAT THE EVALUATION IS HIGHER AND WE ARE IN A BETTER POSITION FINANCIALLY THAT WE CAN RECOUP THAT MONEY AND HAVE THEM BUY US OUT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT'S WHAT MOST OF CITY COUNCIL WANT. BUT I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN WHAT THE DEFECTOR AND CRC DID TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

>> AND WHAT IS THAT DATE? WASSOR BECAUSE THAT WILL BE ASKED OF YOU. WHEN CAN YOU SELL.

>> LET'S BE REAL. WE ARE TAKE ON THE HOTEL NOT THE CRC BUT OUR PARTNERS ARE TAKING ON A CONSTRUCTION LOAN.

AND BY 2029 WE SHOULD HAVE OUR FULL YEAR OF PERFORMANCE AT THE HOTEL. THAT 12 MONTHS OF OPERATING PERFORMANCE, THAT'S A GOOD TIME TO PUT THIS ON THE MARKET.

WE GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION, WAVE FULL YEAR OF OPERATIONS THAT SHOW THE TRUE VALUE THAT CAN BE GAINED.

SO 2029 AND AFTER WILL BE THE IDEAL TIME.

>> I JUST WANT TO TAKE A SECOND. I SEE COUNCILLOR CARTER OUT THERE. I WAS VERY MUCH AGAINST THIS.

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SO. >> YOU'RE BASING THAT ON A HENRY POWERPOINT PRESENTATION?

>> THE PICTURES HELP ME GET THERE.

>> IT'S ON THE RECORD NOW, TONY, THAT YOU AGREED WITH THAT.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> THANK YOU.

DO TRY TO NEGOTIATE WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY WHETHER WE NECESSARILY AGREE OR NOT. THIS IS ONE I AM KEEP SEE.

I THINK IT PUTS EVERYBODY IN A BETTER PLACE AND ALLOWS US TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS WITH REAL NUMBERS INSTEAD OF MAKING STUFF UP WHICH I THINK HAD BEEN DONE FOR SOME TIME NOT INTENTIONALLY BUT JUST NO REAL DEFINED ANSWER. WE WENT THROUGH SOME MATH EXERCISES EARLY ON THAT WERE HARD TO SAY THE LEAST.

AND HIS BEAUTIFUL MIND AT MATH. I DON'T DOUBT HIS NUMBERS.

SO TO FINALLY HAVE SOME EVALUATION I THINK PUTS A LOT OF MINDS AT REST OR AT LEAST I HOPE IT DOES.

>> THANK YOU. >> WOW, ALL RIGHT.

OLD BUSINESS. 12A REMAINS IN COMMITTEE.

>> PRESIDENT SCHNEIDER, SHOULD WE TAKE THIS UP AT OUR NEXT?

>> I WOULD LOVE TO. I AM HAPPY TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT IF YOU GUYS WANT. IT IS THE 29TH READING.

BUT I AM HOPE TO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.

THE. >> I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CHANGES TO IT, SO WE HAVEN'T EVER ADDRESSED THIS IN FINANCE AT ALL SIN IT WAS INTRODUCED, SO.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE A MEETING, DO YOU THINK YOU WILL NEED ONE OR

MORE? >> PROBABLY NEED A COUPLE

MEETINGS. >> OKAY.

THIS WILL BE RECOMMITTED AND DISCUSS IT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS AND BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE WILL HAVE A VOTE.

IS THAT A GOOD PLAN? DOES EVERYBODY LIKE THAT? ALL RIGHT. 12B.

[12.b. Nineteenth Reading of Ordinance D-2795-25; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Establishing Public Areas of City Hall; Sponsor: Councilor Snyder. Remains in the Land Use and Special Studies Committee.]

MENT WILL CONTINUE TO BE DISCUSSED AS TIME PERMITS.

[12.c. Third Reading of Ordinance D-2843-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana Amending Carmel City Code Chapter 8, Article 4, Section 8-44, Chapter 3, Article 2, Section 3-58, and Chapter 8, Article 4, Section 8-40; Sponsors: Councilors Aasen, Minnaar, Snyder, Taylor, Worrell. Returns from the Land Use and Special Studies Committee.]

THAT IS ALL BUSINESS. PUBLIC HEARINGS, NONE.

[Items 14.a & 14.b.]

FUNDS. >> MOVE TO INTERVIEW.

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU,S MR. PRESIDENT F IT'S OKAY I'LL TALK ABOUT A AND B TOGETHER AS THEY KIND OF FIT TOGETHER.

SO AS PART OF OUR OVERALL PROCESS IMPROVEMENT AND CLEANING UP OF THE ERP IMPLEMENTATION. HE HAVE BEEN WITH LOOKING AT FUNDS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN USED IN A LONG TIME.

AND SO WE HAVE SUBMITTED A LIST OF I THINK IT'S NINE IN TOTAL TO COUNCIL WHERE WE HAVE TAKEN AN ORDINANCE HERE TO REPEAL THESE.

WE HAVE EVERYTHING SO TO GO IN ORDER HERE AN IT'S LISTED ON THE ORDINANCE, 2-99 WAS THE CIVIC SQUARE CONSTRUCTION FUND.

IT HAS NO BALANCE IN IT. 2-100 REFERS TO THE LEASE RENTAL FUND AND CIVIC SQUARE BUILDING PHASE 1 AND 2 HAS $3,152 AND 65 CENTS IN IT. THE NEXT ONE MENTIONED IS THE OLD TOWN 126 STREET CONSTRUCTION FUND.

IT HAS $45 $459 .79 IN IT. ALSO ASKING TO REPEAL REFERRED TO IN SECTION 123 IS THE 2002 PROJECT CONSTRUCTION FUND.

WHICH HAS NO BALANCE IN IT. REFERRING TO THE 2002 PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST FUND WHICH HAS NO BALANCE IN IT.

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SO THERE IS SEVEN THERE WE ARE ASKING TO REPEAL.

IN TOTAL THERE ARE FOUR THAT HAVE BALANCES IN THEM THAT WE ARE ASKING TO MOVE OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND.

TWO OF THOSE EXIST IN CODE AND HAD A BALANCE OF $459 .79 AND $2,852 .65 CENTS. AND THERE ARE TWO OTHER FUNDS THAT DON'T EXIST IN CITY CODE. DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REPEAL PROCESS BUT IN TERMS OF CLEANING THOSE OUT, THE REMAKE BALANCES IN THOSE, ONE OF THEM IS THE 2006 ROAD BOND FUND WITH AND THEN THE SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS FUND HAS $19,133 AND 77 CENTS. THAT'S A COMBINED TOTAL OF $63,244 THAT COMES FROM FOUR FUNDS.

IN TOTAL I THINK THIS CLOSES NINE FUNDS.

IT LEAVES NO BALANCES IN THOSE AFTER THEY ARE ALL CLEANED UP.

HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> I JUST HAD A QUESTION BECAUSE THE TWO LARGER FUNDS YOU MENTIONED.

THE ROAD FUND, THAT WAS CREATED IN 2004 I THINK IS WHAT YOU --

>> 2006. >> AND WHAT WAS THE INITIAL INTENDED USE OF THAT FUND? AND I ASSUME ROADS AND

INFRASTRUCTURE? >> IT WAS AN INFRASTRUCTURE ONE.

>> AND IS THERE I MEAN WHY NOT PUT THEM EAR MARKED FOR ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE SINCE THE INITIAL OR ORIGINAL INTENT WAS

FOR ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE? >> WE WERE GOING TO PROPOSE MOVING THE ONES THAT HAD BONDS IN THE NAME TO THE CURRENT BOND FUND. BUT THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM BOND COUNCIL WAS ACTUALLY TO PUT LEFT OVER DOLLARS IN A GENERAL FUND. WE COULD MOVE THEM FROM THERE BUT BASED UPON THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED, THAT'S THE REQUIRED STEP IF THERE'S MONEY LEFT OVER.

YOU MEAN TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ONE?

>> SIMILAR QUESTION AND JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WITH THAT FUND BECAUSE OF THAT AMOUNT I AM ASSUMING YOU VETTED THIS BUT WAS THERE ANY RESTRICTED GRANTS, PASS THROUGH, DONATIONS THAT WERE USED IN THAT FUND THAT WE NEEDED.

>> CAN YOU CLARIFY WHICH FUND? >> I'M SORRY.

THE SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS WHICH WAS NUMBER 504.

>> IT IS 504 BUT DOESN'T EXIST IN CITY CODE.

THE FEEDBACK I WAS GIVEN ON THAT ONE WAS AT SOME POINT IT WAS CREATED BUT THE STATE DIDN'T LIKE THAT CREATION OF THE FUND MAYBE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IN CODE BUT ALSO BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DEPARTMENT HEAD. PRETTY MUCH EVERY ONE OF OUR FUNDS SAYS WHO WAS OVER THAT FUND OR OVER THAT DEPARTMENT.

AND THIS WAS NOT IN CITY CODE. SO ESSENTIALLY WE ARE TOLD BY STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS TO NOT DO THIS.

NORMALLY WE FUND THIS WITH YOU GENERAL FUND APPROPRIATIONS.

I JUST THINK AT ONE POINT IN THE PAST THE DOLLARS WERE SHIFTED INTO THAT FUND. AND THIS WAS THE REMAINING

PORTION FROM YEARS. >> I NONE OF THESE WERE GRANTS THAT HAD SPECIFIC FOCUS OR EXCEPT TO GO FOR THE ARTS WHICH AGAIN KIND OF BEGS THE ORIGINAL QUESTION OF WHY NOT PRESERVE THAT MONEY FOR THE ARTS SINCE WE APPROPRIATE THAT ANYWAY.

>> WE COULD PUT IT IN THE GENERAL FUND AND APPROPRIATE IT FOR WHATEVER USE. BUT THE FUND ITSELF DOES NOT EXIST IN LAW TODAY. AND THE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS TOLD US NEVER TO USE THAT FUND EVER AGAIN.

>> THE FIRST FUND 299 CIVIC SQUARE.

>> YEAH. >> HAS NO MONEY IN IT, RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. >> THIS IS ME JUST BEING A NOSTALGIC FOOL, BUT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A REBIRTH AT SOME POINT WHETHER IT'S UNDER THIS INFORMATION OR THE NEXT ONE OR THE FOLLOWING ONE OF CIVIC SQUARE.

I MEAN IT'S OLD. >> THIS WAS ABOUND FUND.

>> IT WAS A BOND FUND. >> IT WAS, YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO TO YOUR POINT, IF THE MONEY

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IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO MOVE TO PUT IT INTO ITS APPROPRIATE FUND, THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO EITHER ASK, DO THAT MOTION AT THE DAIS IN A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. SO WE'RE ON A.

IT'S BEEN INTRODUCED. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO DO ANYTHING

TONIGHT ON IT? >> MOVE TO WAVE THE RULES AND

ENTER INTO ACTION TONIGHT. >> WE WILL ACT ON THIS THIS EVENING. MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE E-26.

>> SECOND. YEAH.

THIS IS JUST ON A. SO THAT CARRIES.

AND ZACK,ICS YOU FEEL YOU EXPLAINED EVERYTHING IN B.

AT THE SAME TIME NO COMMENTS ON THAT.

SO RESOLUTION CC0921-0601 TRANSFERS REMAINING BALANCES TO THE GENERAL FUND. DO YOU WANT TO RENEW THIS.

>> TOTALING $63,244 .95 FROM FUND 450, FUND 403, FUND 405, AND FUND 504 TO THE GENERA FUND NUMBER 101.

NOW MOVED. >> SO IT'S BEEN INTRODUCED THIS EVENING. DO WE WANT TO MOVE MONEY THIS

EVENING? >> MOVE TO APPROVAL.

>> MOVE TO -- OH, IT IS RESOLUTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THAT CARRIES, THANK YOU.

[14.c. First Reading of Ordinance D-2847-26; An Ordinance of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Approving and Adopting Brookshire Golf Course Fee Schedule and Rate Structure for Calendar Year 2027; Sponsors: Councilors Aasen, Minnaar, Taylor, and Worrell.]

>> C. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE, ORDINANCE OF THE COMMON COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA, ADOPTING BROOKSHIRE GOLF COURSE FEE STRUCTURE RATE FOR 2027.

COUNCILLORS ARE COUNCILLORS WARD, MINNAAR, WORRELL.

>> MOVE TO INTRODUCE. >> THANK YOU.

INTRODUCED. THIS IS GOING TO GO TO FINANCE AND RULES COMMITTEE. THIS JUST TALKS ABOUT THE RATES AND FEES FOR GOLF CARTS, GREEN FEES, ALL THAT FUN STUFF.

IT WILL BE DISCUSSED IN COMMITTEE.

UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING PERTINENT, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION

IS THERE. >> NO.

>> AGENDA ADD ON ITEMS. THERE ARE NONE.

OTHER BUSINESS. SEEING NONE.

[17. ANNOUNCEMENTS]

>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT WE WILL BE MEETING THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION ON HOUSING WILL BE MEETING THIS THURSDAY AT 9 A.M. IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHERE WE ARE DISCUSSING MORE OF HOUSE BILL 1001'S REQUIREMENTS,ICS AND WE HAVE HAD A REALLY ROBUST DISCUSSIONS ON MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, SO IF THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT IT, PLEASE ATTEND OUR MEETING 9 A.M.

HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THANK YOU.

>> I DO WANT TO SAY PORCH VEST WAS JUST AN AMAZING SUCCESS, AND I KNOW JEFF IS A VERY HUMBLE GUY, BUT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH A LOT OF CORD NATION OVER THE YEARS, AND I CAN'T -- I CAN BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN IT IN OTHER AREAS OF CARMEL, BUT FOR YOU TO SEE HOW IT IS STARTED AS A SEED WITH YOU AND THE MAYOR I MEAN JUST BLOCK TO BLOCK TO BLOCK. A LOT OF US WERE OUT THERE.

IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE. AND TO HAVE THAT UNIQUENESS OF A COMMUNITY TO OFFER UP THEIR YARDS FOR AN EVENT FOR FOUR HOURS. REALLY MUCH LONGER BUT THANK YOU. AND I WILL SAY, COUNCILOR CARTER, HE WAS ON THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE ALONG WITH MAYOR FINKAM. MAYOR FIMPG AMOUNT, FINKAM, MYSD

JUSTIN MOFFATT. >> IT WAS FANTASTIC.

>> SORRY, MISSED ONE ANNOUNCEMENT.

THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION ON SENIOR LIVING ON FRIDAY OCTOBER 16TH IS GOING TO HOLD THEIR ANNUAL CONFERENCE... AND THAT WILL BE HELD I BELIEVE AT THE --

YEAH, THANK YOU. >> SEEING NOTHING ELSE, I WISH

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