[Central Designated Outdoor Refreshment Area Committee on September 23, 2026.]
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ALL RIGHT, THIS MEETING OF THE CARMEL CENTRAL DORA COMMITTEE IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. WE DEFINITELY HAVE A QUO RUM.
SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE.
THERE ARE REALY TWO ACTION ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TODAY.
AND WE WILL GO THROUGH THOSE. BEFORE WE START, THE OTHER MISSION THAT WE HAVE OUR ROLE IS TO ADDRESS THE CROWD SHOULD THERE BE ANY COMPLAINTS. ANYONE WHO IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE DORA, ANY SUGGESTIONS OR ANYTHING.
AND I SEE NOBODY IN THE CROWD. SO I'M GOING TO MOVE ON.
AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. THERE ARE NO COMPLAINTS, NO ONE IS UNHAPPY. WE DID HAVE SOME AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DORA PROGRAM AT COUNCIL.
SO NO ONE HERE, THAT'S GOOD. SO THE FIRST ONE IS THAT I'M GOING TO ASK THE-- NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE-- SO NOT GENERAL MANAGER. YOU'RE PROBABLY PRESIDENT OF THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL BUT JAMEY HOPWOOD WHO IS HERE AND HAS MADE A FORMAL REQUEST FOR A HOT BEVERAGE CUP.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE USING THE ALUMINUM CUPS.
AND HE'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT.
SO JAMIE, WOULD YOU MIND JUST TAKING A SEAT RIGHT HERE.
HITTING THE BUTTON IN THE CENTRE OF THAT CONSUL SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. AND WOULD YOU INFORM THE COMMISSION OF WHAT YOU-- THE ISSUE, THE PROBLEM.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE IN WAITING FOR THIS MEETING TO HAPPEN. AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WE SHOULD DO. NOW, IF YOU HAVE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO SHOW. AND I MAY ACTUALLY ASK YOU TO THEN GO UP THERE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A CAMERA.
SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO GEORGE IF WE CAN JUST TURN ON THE OVERHEAD CAMERA. LOOKS LIKE JAMIE HAS SOME-- WILL PROBABLY HAVE YOU GO TO THE SAME SPOT.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR JAMIE.
AND PLEASE GIVE US YOUR OFFICIAL TITLE AT HOTEL
CARMICHAEL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. JAMIE HOPWOOD, AREA GENERAL MANAGER FOR-- HOSPITALTY AND HOTEL CARMICHAEL.
TODAY I WANTED TO DISCUSS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT AD ADDITIONAL CUP THAT COULD FILL THE PURPOSE OF A WARM BEVERAGE BEING SERVED AS WE COME INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON AND THE COLDER WEATHER. CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE CUP THAT WAS APPROVED WAS AN ALUMINUM CUP.
IF YOU ADD A HOT BEVERAGE TO THAT, THAT COULD BE DANGEROUS TO THE CONSUMER. SO WE REALLY NEED A CUP THAT FILLS BOTH PURPOSES. AND I THINK WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF SERVING HOT BEVERAGES AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO EXPLORE. WE DID LOOK AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS IF WE COULD DO AN INSERT IN THERE AND SOME OTHER THINGS. BUT THE REALITY IS WITH A CUP DESIGN AND THE SIZE OF WHAT IT IS, THERE'S NOT A VIABLE OTHER SOLUTION THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH.
OPEN TO OTHER IDEAS IF THERE IS, BUT I THINK THE BEST THING THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IS AN ADDITIONAL CUP THAT WOULD SERVE
THE PURPOSE FOR HOT BEVERAGES. >> YEAH, EXCELLENT.
SO IT WAS, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WE GO WITH A CUZI ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT THAT DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
WHICH IS THE HOT BEVERAGE OVERHEATS THE ALUMINUM AND CAN BURN THE MOUTH OF THE PERSON USING IT.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY HOLDING AN ALUMINUM, IT'S HOW THE BEVERAGE INTERACTS WITH THE ALUMINUM AND WHAT HAPPENS.
SO CAN YOU TELL US-- SO YOU SOURCED THIS FROM ONE OF YOUR SUPPLIERS? OR HOW WOULD WE MOVE FORWARD ON
SOMETHING LIKE THIS? >> YEAH, I MEAN OUR FOOD AND BEVERAGE DIRECTOR WENT AND SOURCED SOMETHING THAT WAS INSULATED CUP THAT WOULD SERVE THAT PURPOSE.
SO YEAH HE CAN SUPPLY ALL THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.
IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO.
>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT I'M GOING TO TURN IT.
OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS?
AND HIT YOUR MIC. >> I'LL JUST SPEAK ON BEHALF OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, WE DID HOT TODDIES AND SPIKED MULES.
GINGER MULES. WARM APPLE CIDAR MULES.
CROCK POT KEPT IT AT 130° AND WE DID USE THE CUZI AND IN SOME CASES WE JUST USED TWO CUPS. IT WASN'T-- I MEAN 130 IS NOT GOING TO GO TO 140. 140 IS NOT GOING TO GO TO 150.
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SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A STARBUCKS COFFEE.IT'S GOT TO BE BREWED AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TEMPERATURE TO BE SERVED TO THE PUBLIC. SO I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, THE CONCERN I THINK YOU BRING ANOTHER CUP IN, WHY WOULD THEY USE THE ALUMINUM EVEN IN THE SUMMER.
IT'S MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE CHEAPER.
SO THE WHOLE CONVERSATION MIGHT BE AGAIN THE CUP VERSUS I THINK WE'VE ALL WENT THROUGH THIS BEFORE.
THE ALUMINUM IDENTIFIES, DORA IDENTIFIES CARMEL IT SOLIDIFIES A HIGH END. THAT ALLOWS THE POLICE OFFICERS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S CLEARLY THEY ARE IN THE DORA AREA. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A PLASTIC CUP LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE'S IT HAS A MAKER'S MARK.
SO AGAIN I THINK THE CUZI JUST LIKE STARBUCK DOESES, IT ALLOWS YOU TO MARKET. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO PUT IN IT. BUT I THINK THE EXECUTION OF IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE THE CONVERSATION.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT PUTTING? WHEN YOU BREW A CUP OF COUGHY THAT'S GOING TO BE A CERTAIN TERPTURE.
AND THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY HOTTER IN ALUMINUM.
IT MIGHT KEEP DISHT THAT'S WHY WE LIKE IT.
IT KEEPS ITS TEMPERATURE COLD AND HOT.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD LOOKING CUP.
I JUST THINK THE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE GOING TO BE USING NOW IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR COLD TOO.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WHY DON'T WE SWITCH THE CUP TO THAT AND JUST TAKE THE LID OFF IT AND THERE'S NO LID FOR THE
>> YEAH, BASED ON OUR CASE WORK, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT SAME EXPERIENCE THAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO AS BEING AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL FOR MY CONCERN FROM OUR CONSUMERS.
SO AND AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT TEMPERATURE THAT WE WERE SERVING THE HOT CHOCOLATE OUT OF.
AND IT MIGHT BE THAT IT WAS A HIGHER TEMPERATURE.
BUT EVEN IF YOU PUT COFFEE IN A HOT METAL CUP, BASIC PHYSICS TELL YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO CARRY THAT SIMILAR TEMPERATURE.
AND AGAIN I'M NOT A PHYSICS INSTRUCTOR, BUT I WOULD QUESTION AND MAYBE 130 IS A REASONABLE TEMPERATURE, I DON'T KNOW THE TEMPERATURE THAT WE TESTED IT AT.
BUT I KNOW WHEN WE DID OUR TEST RUNS ON IT, WE DEFINITELY HAD ISSUES WITH THE TEMPERATURE. SO I WISH HI THAT INFORMATION
IN FRONT OF ME. >> NO ONE BROUGHT SAMPLES?
WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR? >> NOW JUST REAL QUICK SO YOU WERE PUTTING A CUZI OVER THE DORA CUP?
AND WHAT DID THE CUZI SAY? >> FORK--.
>> THAT I'M NOT SURE. IF THAT ACTUALLY GOES AGAINST WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS WELL.
>> TRUE, YEAH. IT DIDN'T COVER THE WHOLE THING. BUT IT WAS BASICALLY MORE ON THE BOTTOM. I THINK IT'S CALLED A STRICT SLEEVE BECAUSE THE CUP IS BIGGER.
BUT YEAH THEN AND WHEN IT WAS WARM I OFFERED THE TWO CUPS AND I HELD IT IN MY HAND AS WELL. BUT AGAIN BREWED A CUP OF COUGHY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN A SPIKED MULE.
A CUP OF COUGHY WOULD BE TOO HOT.
>> YOU WANT A LID AS WELL. >> RIGHT SO IF WE ARE LOOKING.
>> THERE'S NO LIDS FOR THAT, CORRECT?
>> NO. SO HOT CHOCOLATE OR COFFEES OR SPIKED COFFEES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD DEFINITELY NOT
SO THIS MAY NOT-- WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE-- SO DO
YOU HAVE ANY PRICING ON THIS? >> I CAN GET IT TO YOU REALLY
>> I WOULDN'T ASSUME THAT THIS IS PROBABLY JUST AS AFFORDABLE OR MORE AFFORDABLE THAN THE OPTION THAT WE'VE GONE WITH.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ALUMINUM ORIGINALLY IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVER OPTIONS OUT THERE FOR A CUP.
NOW IT FIT, I THINK WHAT WE ALL WANTED TO ACHIEVE AT THAT TIME.
>> RIGHT, OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE
COMMITTEE? >> I'M WONDERING HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD DRINK A COCKTAIL IN THE SUMMER OUT OF A PAPER CUP? LIKE THIS VERSUS THE METAL? I MEAN MY PREFERENCE WOULD B THAT VERSUS A PAPER IN THE
SUMMER. >> MY RECOMMENDATION AND AGAIN, WOULD BE THAT YOU MAKE THIS A TIME THING.
LIKE THIS DORA CUP IS AVAILABLE DURING FALL AND INTO SPRING.
AND IT'S NOT AN OPTION DURING THE SUMMER.
THEN THAT WAY IT PUTS A TIME FRAME TO IT.
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AND IT CAN'T BE USED. >> MAJOR COLLINS, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON HAVING ANOTHER CUP? AND WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT A THIRD CUP ALSO.
SO-- ANY THOUGHTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT HOW YOU ENFORCE AND KEEP TRACK OF THEM AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF?
>> I DON'T. AS LONG AS WE CAN SEND SOME MESSAGING OUT TO THE POLICE DEPA DEPARTMENT. THAT THESE ARE THE CUPS THAT ARE DECIDED UPON WE CAN LET THEM KNOW.
>> BUT IN FAIRNESS, THE DORA SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWING.
NOTHING OVER IT. OR A SLEEVE OVER IT.
YOU NEED DORA TO BE SHOWING TO KNOW.
>> YEAH. THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP SOMEBODY JUST TO SAY HEY, PULL THAT SLEEVE DOWN AND SEE IF IT'S A-- SO IF IT'S SHOWN,
THAT'S BETTER. >> YEAH, OKAY GOT IT.
IN THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. YEAH.
MR. ERNST? >> HAS THERE BEEN ANY OTHER INTEREST SHOWN BY DORA RESTAURANTS, BARS FOR A WARM BEVERAGE CUP THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF?
>> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I BELIEVE WE'RE THE FIRST ONES THAT HAVE PRESENTED THIS. I DO KNOW THAT CARMEL DEALS WITH ABOUT 6 ½ WEEKS OF BOOTS THAT WALK AROUND THAT HAVE SAID BEVERAGES IN IT THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE DORA REGULATIONS. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER PLACE THAT I KNOW THAT SERVES HOT BEVERAGES.
BUT CLEARLY THERE'S A DEMAND FOR IT IF FORK AND ALE HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH DOING IT WITH THE OLD ONES IN THOSE COLDER
MONTHS. >> YEAH, TO ME, WHEN I FIRST HEARD THE REQUEST, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A HOT-- SOMETHING TO HOLD HOT BEVERAGES.
THAT'S SAFE. AND I THINK WE HAVE EXEMPTED CHRIS KINDLEMARKET FROM THE DORA SOMEHOW.
SO THE BOOTS WALKING AROUND ARE ACTUALLY OKAY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE SERGEI HERE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK WE DID THAT JUST LIKE WE DO CARMEL FEST.
SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE THERE.
BUT YOU KNOW--. >> WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE UNTIL THEY GO OUTSIDE OF THE KRIS KRINGLE FOOTPRINT.
>> RIGHT. AND THEN THEY WOULD BE STOPPED AND TOLD YOU CAN'T DO THAT JUST LIKE SOMEBODY CARRYING AROUND A MILLER LITE CAN. SO I WOULD-- YOU KNOW I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMITTEE TO KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO PURSUE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THINK MAKES SENSE FOR OUR MARKET, OUR DISTRICT IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT.
>> YOU KNOW FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS HAVE TWO SKUS OF CUPS IN STORAGE OR PAY THE CAPITAL TO HOUSE THOSE 500 CUPS.
NOW YOU'RE TALKING MAYBE A THIRD.
SO MAYBE REVISIT ONE THAT IS UNIVERSAL FOR BOTH WINTER AND SUMMER, WITH A LID. INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO CUPS NOW MAYBE THREE CUPS. HOW ABOUT ONE CUP THAT
SATISFIES THE WHOLE SEASON. >> WELL, MY ONLY SUGGESTION IS I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET HERE NEXT IS THAT THE SIZE OF THE CUP MIGHT NOT WORK FOR EVERY BEVERAGE AS WELL.
BUT THEN THAT WOULD REDUCE IT TO TWO DIFFERENT CUPS IN SIZE
THAT WE WOULD WITH LOOKING AT. >> YEAH, SO EXACTLY RIGHT.
WHAT WE ARE LEARNING IS SERVING A BEER VERSUS SERVING A WINE POUR ARE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND SERVING HOT VERSUS COLD ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS ALSO.
A BUSINESS IF THEY DON'T WANT TO STOCK THE CUPS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DORA PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
OR THEY DON'T OFFER A HOT BEVERAGE.
BUT I AM, YOU KNOW AS WE LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS DORA PROGRAM, OFFERING WHAT THE BUSINESS NEEDS IN ORDER TO WORK IN THEIR BUSINESS, I THINK THE PART OF OUR MISSION.
SO YES, SOMEONE MAY, A BUSINESS COULD CHOOSE NOT TO STOCK IT AND THAT'S FINE. EITHER THEY USE THE ALUMINUM DORA CUP OR THEY DON'T SERVE A HOT BEVERAGE.
THAT'S THE BUSINESS'S CHOICE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MANDATE IT.
WE'RE JUST OFFERING IT. >> OR USE THE ALUMINUM DORA CUP
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FOR A HOT BEVERAGE. >> YEAH, EXACTLY.
IT'S THEIR CHOICE. HOTEL CARMICHAEL SEEMS TO HAVE A NEED AND SO FAR I CAN'T THINK OF A REASON AS LONG AS-- AND I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE CUP WE NEED TO MAYBE LOOK AT THAT QUICKLY AND MAKE SURE THIS IS THE CUP, BUT HAVE AN OPTION.
IF YOU'RE WILLING TO STOCK IT AND USE IT, THAT'S WHAT WE
THE ONLY THING I'D ASK IS THAT IT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AND NOT STYROFOAM. THAT WOULD BE A HUGE ASK.
>> YEP, FAIR ENOUGH. YEAH AND YOU WILL GET US SOME
INFORMATION ON THIS. >> YEP, ABSOLUTELY.
>> MY ONLY HESITATION FROM THE STREET DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE IS LITTERING. ALUMINUM ONES I DON'T BELIEVE HAVE BECOME AN ISSUE. BUT ONCE YOU START PUTTING PAPER PRODUCTS, PLASTIC, I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD DO AS FAR AS PEOPLE THROWING THEM WHEREVER AS THEY WALK. BUT, I DON'T-- I WOULDN'T SHOOT IT DOWN. BECAUSE WHATEVER THE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE INTERESTED IN, I'M OPEN TO.
JUST FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE STREET DEPARTMENT.
TO BECOME AN ISSUE LEAVING IT AROUND THE WALKWAYS AS THEY GO.
>> ALL RIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE THAT IS WILLING TO EITHER MAKE A MOTION FOR OR AGAINST THIS PURSUING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GO ON THE RECORD EITHER THIS IS DEAD, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED, OR WE'RE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THE RIGHT CUP. AND SO IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED-- AND IF NOT, THAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMITTEE.
>> I'D MOTION TO MOVE IT FORWARD WITH MORE DETAILS LIKE IS IT 12 OUNCES. WE NEED THIS-- THIS TENDS TO GET HOT. SO WE STILL NEED A SLEEVE.
SO IT'S GOT TO BE A THICK CUP IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE A SLEEVE. JUST TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS.
>> YEAH THAT'S WHY THE DOUBLEWALLED INSULATED CUP IS THAT WENT AND PRIMARY WITH THE THOUGHT THAT WE COULDN'T PUT A SLEEVE OVER IT BECAUSE OF THE ORIGINAL DORA GUIDELINES IS WHY
WE SOURCED WHAT CUP WE DID. >> YOU THINKING 12 OUNCE?
>> YEAH. >> SO LET'S SAY-- SORRY ARE YOU
MAKING A MOTION? >> YEAH, WE GET THE COST OF HOW MUCH LIT BE. AND CISCO A HUNDRED CASES IT'S THIS. 200 CASES IT'S THIS.
300 CASES AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE ALUMINUM.
WE STARTED OFF IT WAS 34 CENTS OR 37 AS MORE PEOPLE GOT APPROVED. THEIR BUYING POWER WENT UP AND SO THE NEXT TIME THEY REORDERED IT WENT DOWN TO 33 CENTS SO THE MORE PEOPLE THAT GET ON IT IT WILL BE UNDER 30 CENTS PROBABLY
THE NEXT TIME WE ORDER. >> OKAY, SO COULD YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS WILL BE A CLEARLY IDENTIFIED DORA CUP. SO NO-- I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO-- WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO SLEEVES.
SO THEY ARE PRESENTING SOMETHING THAT IS DOUBLE WALLED. SO CLEARLY IDENTIFIED DORA CUP.
12 OUNCES. WE DON'T KNOW PRICE YET BUT THAT CAN COME LATER. WITH A LID TO PURSUE THAT.
>> IS THERE A PREFERENCE BETWEEN THE 12 AND 16 OUNCE?
>> I MEAN WE HAVEN'T HEARD MADELEINE YET.
BUT I THINK THE 12 MAKES MORE SENSE IN A COFFEE, HOT COCOA, YOU KNOW, VERSION THAN 16. AND THAT WOULD ALSO KEEP THEM NOT PUTTING BEERS IN IT. DRAFT BEERS AND STUFF BECAUSE
THAT'S 16. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO PU PURSUE-- TO ACTUALLY-- YEAH.
EXACTLY. WE ARE WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXPLORATION OF A HOT DORA CONTAINER.
THAT IS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED 12 OUNCES AND WITH A LID.
DO I HAVE THAT CORRECT? YEAH DOUBLE WALLED.
SO IS THERE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND.
>> OKAY. SO THERE IS A SECOND.
NOW IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? AND I THINK PROBABLY YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW OKAY WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP HERE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE MY DISCUSSION.
IS YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THIS.
YOU HAVE A VENDOR I'M ASSUMING. SO YOU COULD GET THAT TO THE
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COMMISSION DO THAT VIA E-MAIL. YOU DON'T KNOW THE PRICING.BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WAS REASONABLE TO YOU.
OKAY. DOABLE AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT OUT TO ALL THE DORA VENDORS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AND GO THROUGH ALL THAT PROCESS. WHAT IS YOUR-- DO YOU HAVE A DEADLINE WHEN YOU NEED TO MAKE EVERYTHING HAPPEN IN YOUR
WORLD? >> YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT
COMPLETED BY NOVEMBER 15TH. >> OKAY.
TYPICALLY ON A PRINT JOB YOU'RE LOOKING AT 6 TO 8 WEEKS DEPENDING ON THEIR CAPACITY. SO NOVEMBER 15TH YOU SAID?
>> IT'S A TIGHT TURN AROUND. >> YEAH AND OUT OF DUE DILIGENCE, HOW MANY-- WE SHOULD GET MORE THAN ONE VENDOR'S QUOTE. SOLO-- WHOEVER IT MAY BE.
SPECIFIC DISTRIBUTOR YOU'RE GOING THROUGH?
>> WE TYPICALLY GO THROUGH GFS BUT I'M NOT STUCK TO ONE AS THIS COMMITTEE I THINK HAS USED CISCO IN THE PAST.
WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM AS WELL. HAPPY TO WORK WITH EITHER ONE.
OR WHOEVER WE NEED TO TO GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
> FROM BEFORE, THERE'S A LOT OF PUSHBACK ON THE COST OF THE ACTUAL CUP. SO I THINK THE DUE DILIGENCE HAS TO BE THERE FOR US TO RESEARCH MULTIPLE OPTIONS OF COST. AND SHIP TIME AND ALL THAT
STUFF. >> AND I CAN HAVE THE TEAM ON THIS TOMORROW MORNING, FIRST THING TO TRY TO GET THIS MOVING
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SHEPARD THIS WITH SOME-- YOU KNOW, WITH MULTIPLE QUOTES AND SEE WHO HAS THE TIMELINE THAT WORKS? EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT?
SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO TELL HIM THAT AARON WATTSEN FROM CISCO HELPED US WITH THE ALUMINUM.
SO IF YOU WANT THAT CONTACT, I CAN PUT YOU IN TOUCH.
>> THAT'D BE FANTASTIC. >> A PERSON FROM ACORN VERY
GOOD CONTACT AS WELL. >> OKAY.
LET'S TALK TO THEM ALL. ALL RIGHT GREAT CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNAL BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY THAT CARRIES.
ALL RIGHT VERY GOOD. THANK YOU JAMIE.
>> APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> WE APPRECIATE YOU RESPECTING THE DORA COMMITTEE AND LETTING US GET THIS ACROSS-- HELP YOU WITH THAT.
SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT MADELEINE, YOU ARE UP NEXT WITH WINE AND--. AND YOU REACHED OUT TO ME TO LET ME KNOW THAT-- AM I SAYING THE NAME RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY.
TO LET ME KNOW THAT-- WELL YOU'RE GOING TO DEMONSTRATE.
SO I AM GOING TO LET YOU TAKE THE FLOOR.
SURE. AND IF YOU'LL HIT THE BUTTON THERE. SO THAT PEOPLE AT HOME CAN HEAR
YOU, THANK YOU. >> SO LAST WEEK I FOUND OUT THAT-- STARTED MAKING THESE GLASSES IN NINE OUNCE, 12 OUNCE, 16 OUNCE AND 24 OUNCE. THE 9 AND THE 12 OUNCE ARE NEW ADDITIONS TO THEIR LINE THAT IS AVAILABLE IN INDIANA NOW.
THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE HAVE AT WINE AND RHIND IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PUT 6 OUNCE POORS OF LINE INTO A 16 OUNCE CUP.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN THAT THINK THAT WE'RE SHORT POURING THEM. EVEN THE 8 OUNCE POUR, IT LOOKS REALLY SHORT IN THE GLASS. AS BAD AS IT IS, I'VE NOTICED THAT MY STAFF IS OVERPOURING THE WINE.
IF YOU'RE OVER AT MIDTOWN AND THINK THAT YOU JUST WANT TO HAVE ONE GLASS OF WINE, OR-- THE BEER IS OBVIOUSLY THAT'S KIND OF THE STANDARD POUR FOR A BEER, BUT IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GETTING A OUNCE POUR OF ONE GLASS OF WINE AND I HAVE SOMEONE BEHIND THE BAR THAT'S IN A HURRY AND MAYBE FILLS IT UP HIGHER THAN THEY SHOULD, OR THE GUESTS ARE COMPLAINING THINKING THAT WE'RE SHORTING THEM, I DON'T WANT TO BE OVERSERVING PEOPLE. THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN.
BUT ALSO JUST MAKING SURE THAT GUESTS ARE HAPPY.
AND THAT THEY ARE NOT LEAVING THINKING I PAID $17 AND ONLY GOT A FOURTH A GLASS. OBVIOUSLY SIX OUNCES IS MORE THAN FOURTH A GLASS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 16 OUNCE CUP.
BUT I WAS JUST-- CURIOUS IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ORDER THAT IN A SMALLER SIZE I KNOW SOME CONCERN OF THE INSULATED CUP
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WAS HAVING TO STOCK DIFFERENT SIZE GLASSES.I THINK IF PEOPLE WANT TO STOCK IT, THEY CAN.
IF IF THEY ARE NOT POURING WINE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO STOCK A SMALLER GLASS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
IT'S JUST AN OPTION FOR US. IT WOULDN'T CHANGE ARTWORK OR ANYTHING. YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE DORA LOGO. IT WOULD JUST BE EASIER FOR
PEOPLE TO CARRY AROUND AS WELL. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT MADELEINE THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND I LOVE YOUR DEMONSTRATION.
IS-- SO ARE YOU RECOMMENDING AN ALUMINUM CUP IN A SMALLER SIZE?
>>, IT'S THE EXACT SAME CUP IT'S JUST A SMALLER VERSION.
>> OKAY. AND A FACILITY LIKE YOUR, WOULD YOU ONLY ORDER THE SMALL ONE? OR WOULD YOU HAVE A NEED FOR
THE LARGER ONE ALSO? >> WE WOULD STILL STOCK THE LARGER ONE BECAUSE OF OUR BEERS AND OUR SPRITZES.
>> OKAY GOT IT. AND THE ONE THAT YOU SAID THAT
BALL NOW MAKES WHICH SIZE? >> 9 AND 12 OUNCE.
>> OKAY SO 9 IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> I WOULD BE OPEN TO EITHER ONE.
I WOULD PREFER THE 9 OUNCE. BUT I WOULD BE OPEN TO THE 12 OUNCE. I ALSO THINK THE 12 OUNCE WOULD BE GREAT FOR PLACES THAT DO MIXED DRINKS TO GO.
BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING-- IF YOU'RE PUTTING ONE SHOT.
WHICH IS AN OUNCE AND A QUARTER OF LIQUOR INTO A CUP THEN PUTTING THE MIXER IN. YOU MIGHT BE WATERING THE DRINK DOWN A LOT. YOU'RE USING A LOT OF EXTRA MIXER. TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GIVING
A GUEST A FULL DRINK. >> IF THEY USE THAT ONE? BUT-- SORRY THAT I DON'T KNOW ALL THIS.
YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW ALL THIS I'M SURE.
BUT DO YOU KNOW THIS RANDY? FOR A MIXED DRINK?APPROPRIATE -
OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE 12? >> TYPICALLY A ROCKS GLASS OR A HIGH BALL GLASS IS BETWEEN 8 AND 12.
>> OKAY. SO IN MY BRAIN, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO GET SMALLER FOR THE POUR.
>> WE ARE. BUT A 12 OUNCE CUP WOULD STILL BE 4 OUNCES SMALLER THAN THIS ONE.
AND WE OFFER AN 8 OUNCE POUR OF WINE SO I THINK EVEN HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA ROOM AT THE T TOP-- CAN I WALK THIS AROUND. IT WOULDN'T BE AS BAD.
SO THAT'S THE 66 OUNCE. >> SO YOU DO OFFER AN 8 OUNCE.
OH WAIT--. ALL RIGHT SO WHAT QUESTIONS DO
COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE? >> I GUESS FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE.
WE DON'T NEARLY DO THE WINE THAT YOU DO, BUT WE USE-- WE SWITCHED TO A KRAFT. AND WE POUR IT IN FRONT OF THE GUEST. SO WE'VE HAD THAT SAME PROBLEM LIKE OH IT'S A LITTLE SHORT. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT MUCH IN A 16 OUNCE GLASS. A DRAFT ON-- SO YOU FILL UP THE KRAFT. AND THEN WE POUR SO IT THEY SEE THE FIVE, SIX OUNCES-- EIGHT OUNCE WHATEVER.
AND THEN YOU POUR IT IN FRONT OF THEM.
AND-- WAS DOING THE SAME THING. EVEN AN OLD FASHIONED IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT. IN FRONT OF THE GUEST THEN POUR IT IN THE CUP. LIKE HEY YOU'RE RIPPING ME OFF.
IT'S LIKE THAT'S THE GLASS, RIGHT? BUT AGAIN, WESTFIELD, SPEEDWAY. WELL EVERYBODY-- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CUPS WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH.
BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES THAT ARE HAVING A DIFFERENT POUR, A DIFFERENT DRINK, A DIFFERENT SCENARIO. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE END
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GAME IS. AND AGAIN, WE CAN'T BE THE ONLY CITY IN THE COUNTRY THAT DOES DEAL WITH WHEN WE DO.YOU HAVE MULTIPLE CUPS. DO YOU HAVE ONE CUP? T TWO? SO I COULD PROBABLY SEE IF WE CAN LOOK INTO A LITTLE BIT OF INVESTIGATING FROM SOME OTHER PLACES BEFORE WE-- YOU KNOW,
JUST COMMIT TO SOMETHING. >> OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MADELEINE, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? WHAT ABOUT A WORK AROUND? LIKE A KRAFT OR WHATEVER.
SO YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BUY ANOTHER CUP?
>> UM, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT WHEN WE HAVE A LINE THAT'S TO OUR DOOR THE DAYS OF EVENTS AND STUFF, IT TAKES EXTRA TIME TO DO THAT. AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WAIT IN LINE. OUR RESTAURANT IS SUPER SMALL.
SO TRYING TO HAVE A LINE OF PEOPLE TO THE DOOR, IT MAKES IT REALLY HARD TO GET AROUND IT. AND THEN IF WE'RE USING THE KRAFTS BECAUSE WE ARE POURING SO MUCH WINE, HOW MANY KRAFTS DO I NEED TO PURCHASE? AND THEN WASHING THOSE.
WAITING FOR THEM TO COME THROUGH DISH.
I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE SAME ONE FOR EVERY SINGLE GLASS OF WINE THAT WE'RE POURING. AND THEN I THINK FOR PLACES THAT ARE DOING LIKE AN OLD FASHIONED IN A GLASS, TO MAKE IT IN THE GLASS, PUT IT IN THE GLASS AND THEN POUR IT INTO THE CUP AS WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF EXTRA STEPS.
THAT WHEN YOU'RE AS BUSY AS A PLACE LIKE SUN KING, THAT IT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO.
AND LIKE I SAID TOO, I'M OPEN TO DOING EITHER SIZE IF WE REACHED OUT TO OTHER BUSINESSES.
I KNOW PEACE WATER, THEY HAVE THEY ARE MAINLY SERVING WINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE COME ACROSS THIS ISSUE YET.
BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER PLACES THAT WOULD HAVE ANY INPUT INTO IT. I WOULD DEFINITELY BE OPEN TO
EITHER ONE. >> OKAY-- SO IF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE SAME CUP. JUST A SMALLER SIZE, NO SKIN OFF OUR NOSE TO HAVE TWO OF THEM.
I DON'T CARE. IF A COMPANY-- IF A BUSINESS WANTS TO BUY THE SMALLER ONE, POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T CARE.
DORA COMMITTEE, I DON'T THINK WE CARE THAT'S ON A ORDERING ISSUE. STOCKING ISSUE.
CAPITAL OUTLAY ISSUE BUT NOT AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT I SEE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY
DISAGREES. >> THE ONLY CONCERN FROM A DISTRIBUTOR STANDPOINT IS EVERY SPACE COSTS MONEY IN THEIR WAREHOUSE. SO IF THAT SMALLER CUP HAS A MUCH LOWER VOLUME PURCHASE RATE THAN THE BIGGER CUP, THEY ARE GOING TO SIT ON THAT. ASK THEN EVENTUALLY SAY ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THIS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BRING IT BACK IN.
SO DID WE EVER FIND SOMEWHERE LOCALLY TO WAREHOUSE?
>> CISCO IS. >> YEAH AT THEIR DISTRIBUTION CENTRE, RIGHT? BUT HAVE YOU TALKED TO THEM ABOUT BRINGING IN A SMALLER CUP?
>> I HAVEN'T. I'VE TALKED TO OFFICE 360.
AND THEY CAN BRING THEM IN AND THEY CAN STORE THEM IN THEIR WAREHOUSE. I HADN'T REACHED OUT.
I LITERALY JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WHEN I TALKED TO JEFF LAST THURSDAY. SO I HAVEN'T EVEN REACHED OUT TO CISCO OR GFS. I HONESTLY DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND-- NOT WASTE MY TIME, BUT ALSO THE DISTRIBUTOR'S WHO LIKE OUR REPS AND STUFF THEY ARE BUSY.
IF THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WOULD EVEN BE AN OPTION.
>> DOES ANYONE RECALL THE MINIMUM ORDER FOR THAT? FOR THE CUPS THAT GFS BROUGHT IN?
THERE'S NO WAY THAT WAS CASES. >> NO.
IT HAD TO BE 10,000 CUPS. AND I BELIEVE ACORN WAS A
SIMILAR NUMBER AS WELL. >> AND WHAT'S THE CASE COUNT.
500? 600? WELL BECAUSE AGAIN-- WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MINIMIZE THE PRICE SO THE COST TO THE RESTAURANT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
AVAILABLE OPTIONS, FINE. I MEAN MY OPINION IS THAT'S GREAT. BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT THAT COST TO BE SO MUCH THAT EVERYTHING ELSE ALREADY COSTS
I MEAN IF IT ENDS UP BEING $2 A GLASS FOR THE 9 OUNCE GLASS THEN-- YOU KNOW THEN I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY I WOULD LIKE THE COST TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE COST IS FOR THESE. IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF WHO IS WILLING TO PRINT THOSE, STOCK THEM.
IF THERE'S OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BUYING THEM AS WELL, LIKE IF HOTEL CARMICHAEL WOULD WANT TO HAVE A SMALLER GLASS TO OFFER PEOPLE FOR POURS OF WINE.
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I KNOW ANTHONY'S DOESN'T DO A TON OF DORA, BUT I KNOW THEY ARE IN THAT. LIKE I SAID THE GENTLEMAN AT PEACE WATER WINERY. IF BUSINESSES WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A SMALLER CUP, THEN I THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK CISCO WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE STOCKING THAT.IF PEOPLE WERE ORDERING IT. >> OKAY, RANDY.
>> MADELEINE, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE BETWEEN THE 9 AND THE 12? I MEAN IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT A 6 F OUNCE POUR OF WINE GETS LOST IN A 16 OUNCE CUP AND SO DOES AN 8 OUNCE POUR. SO IF WE'RE DOING IT SPECIFICALLY FOR WINE, I'D STAY AWAY FROM THE 12.
THAT CUTS BACK A LITTLE BIT ON ORDERS BUT I ALSO CONCUR WITH JEFF THAT IF IT'S THE SAME CUP, THE SAME LOGO, THE SAME PRODUCT, YOU'RE JUST USING IT FOR A DIFFERENT BEVERAGE--.
>> AND LIKE I SAID TOO, DEPENDING ON WHAT OTHER-- YOU KNOW IF WE DID REACH OUT TO ALL THE RESTAURANTS THAT DID DOE A AND PEOPLE SAY THAT IT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY OH WE WOULD RATHER HAVE THE 12 OUNCE THAN THE 9 OUNCE, I'M FINE WITH THAT. I'M FINE WITH THAT AS WELL.
BECAUSE WE CAN PUT OUR SPRITZES IN A 12 OUNCE CUP AND THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. SO BETWEEN THOSE TWO IF THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS AN OVERWHELMINGLY FAVORITE, THEN I WOULD BE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT.
>> SO AGAIN, MY INITIATIVE WOULD BE TOTALLY AGREEABLE ON A DIFFERENT SIZE FOR WINES, FOR SURE.
BUT HOW CAN WE MASSIVELY REDUCE THE COST TO THE RESTAURANTS TO DO THIS? WHETHER IT'S FROM A DRISHT STANDPOINT, I GET IT. BUT ANYBODY HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THAT THAT I CAN GO OFFLINE WITH YOU ON? BECAUSE IF WE CAN BUY IT ONCE. TOUCH IT ONE.
WAREHOUSE IT LOCALLY HERE IN CARPALAL AND PEOPLE CAN SEND PEOPLE SOMEWHERE TO GET IT IN CARMEL INSTEAD OF HAVING TO ORDER IT. IF YOU DON'T BUY FRIT GORDON'S NOW BUT THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES SELLING IT, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
>> AND THAT'S WHAT WE RAN INTO WITH THIS CUP.
WAS THAT THE CITY SAID THEY COULDN'T STORE-- BECAUSE I HAD RAISED THAT QUESTION BEFORE ASKING ABOUT THE CITY DOING LIKE A BULK BUY SINCE THERE'S SO MANY RESTAURANTS AND THEN US BEING ABLE TO GO TO THE CITY AND SAY HEY I NEED TO BUY A CASE OF DOE A CUPS AND BUYING THEM FROM THE CITY DORA CUPS.
SINCE THEY WERE SO EXPENSIVE. BECAUSE I KNOW GFS WAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CISCO WAS TO START.
WHEN WE STARTED ORDERING THESE. >> BECAUSE THEY WERE CHARGING YOU A WARESHOUSE FEE ON TOP. SO IF WE ELIMINATE THAT AND THE PUSHBACK ON THE METAL CUP. AND LOWER THE PRICE AT ALL, WE
>> YEAH CISCO HAS, I THINK THEY ARE AT AROUND 37 CENTS A CUP RIGHT NOW. THEY DID ORDER TONS TO STORE HERE SO WE CAN ORDER FROM THEM. I DON'T REALLY ORDER MUCH OTHER STUFF FROM CISCO OTHER THAN GOING TO PICK UP A CASE OF CUPS TOMORROW. I JUST DRIVE TO THE WAREHOUSE AND PICK THEM UP OVER THERE. .
>> SO IF WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS 12 OUNCE OR 9
OUNCE. >> THE 9 OUNCE AND THE 12
OUNCE. >> BUT OF THE ALUMINUM.
THE ALUMINUM VERSION IN A 9 AND A 12.
YEAH IT'S THE EXACT SAME CUP. JUST A SMALLER VERSION.
>> AND THAT'S A NEW THING. THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE LAST YEAR.
OKAY. >> IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN ASK YOUR REP WHAT THE MINIMUM CASE COUNT WOULD BE?
>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >> TO GET THE 9 OR THE 12? I MEAN I'D PROBABLY SUGGEST THE 9.
>> YEAH I THINK THE 9 WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO.
BUT LIKE I SAID IF THERE ERE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WOULD ALSO WANT TO BUY IT AND WOULD RATHER HAVE THE 12 OUNCE FOR MIXED DRINKS OR WHATEVER, I WOULD BE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT AS
WELL. >> OKAY SO WHAT-- SO A MIXED
DRINK CANNOT GO IN THE 9? >> I MEAN YOU COULD, YEAH,
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN A PATH THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.
OKAY. THEN WE ARE GOING TO APPROACH THIS ONE THE SAME WAY AS WE DID THE LAST ONE.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SHEPARD THIS AND GET THE-- YOU KNOW SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER PHASE TWO OF THIS.
BUT WORK ON GETTING SOME PRICING AND GETTING US SET-UP AND TIMELINE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET THE CITY STAFF INVOLVED WHO WILL MAKE SURE THIS ALL GETS ON THE WEBSITE AND INTO THE SYSTEM
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AND ALL THAT BUSINESS. BUT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT?>> YEAH, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. I MEAN OURS ISN'T AS TIME SENSITIVE FOR THE CUPS FOR THE-- I KNOW THAT THEY PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE THOSE BY THE CHRISTMAS MARKET.
SO WE CAN DEFINITELY PRIORITIZE THAT OVER YOU KNOW, HAVING A SMALLER GLASS WITH SOME WINE IN.
>> YEAH, OKAY. RANDY, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? NO.
OKAY ANYBODY HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION?
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AUTHORIZING ALL THESE DIFFERENT CUPS. ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS WRONG FOR EXACT CUPS? COULD THERE BE SOMETHING WE DID WITH A STICKER THAT'S PUT ON THE CUP? AND THEN WE LAY OUT PARAMETERS SAYING THE CUP MUST BE-- IT CAN'T BE JUST A PLASTIC SOLO CUP.
BECAUSE THEN THESE-- YOU KNOW THE RESTAURANT OWNERS CAN BUY THEIR OWN CUPS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS THAT WE SET.
AND IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO GET STICKERSER THAN CUPS MADE WITH
THE LOGO. >> YEAH, WE DID EXPLORE STICKERS IN THE BEGINNING AND THE COUNCIL SAID NO.
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT.
BUT THEY SAID NO. OKAY SO ANY OTHER GREAT QUES QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANYONE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION REGARDING A DIFFERENT
SIZE ALUMINUM CUP? >> I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A 9 OUNCE METAL DORA CUP.
>> OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT RANDY SECONDS. ALL RIGHT VERY GOOD.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY THAT MOTION CARRIES.
MADELEINE, DO YOU HAVE MY E-MAIL?
>> YES. >> YES BECAUSE OKAY THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN I'LL MAKE SURE THE WHOLE COMMITTEE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE SEEING.
WHAT WE'RE FINDING. AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO
COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION? >> THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ON THE PHONE WAS A MAP.
SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE-- WELL SOMEONE SAID PUT A MAP ON THE CUP. BUT I THINK CHANGING THE ARTWORK ON THE CUP ESPECIALLY IF CISCO HAS STOCKED A BUNCH OF THEM, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THAT IS THE CORRECT THING TO EXPLORE AT THIS MOMENT. BUT MAYBE IF WE COULD HAVE A GRAPHIC OR SOMETHING TO PRINT OUT AND PUT WHERE PEOPLE ORDER DORA DRINKS. OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HAND OUT TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE PERIMETERS OF THE DORA.
THAT HAVE COME UP OFF OF THE SIDEWALKS AS WELL.
>> YEAH, AND I WAS GOING TO ASK THE STREET DEPARTMENT.
BECAUSE THOSE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE REPLACED.
AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS ON THAT?
>> UH, YES. THEY PUT IN A HAND FUL OF BURN DOWN THERMOPLASTIC ONES. I THINK AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THE PERIMETER MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE.
AND THEY MIGHT PUT DOWN A COUPLE MORE.
BUT THEY WANT TO TEST AND SEE HOW THOSE MAKE IT THROUGH THE WINT WERE SNOWPLOWING WINTER WITH SCRAPING AND IF THOSE WORK, THEN WE'LL REPLACE THEM ALL WITH THE THERMOPLASTIC.
BUT IT WAS GOING TO BE $10,000 TO REPLACE THEM ALL.
SO THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE RIGHT PRODUCT BEFORE
THEY GO. >> AND MADELEINE I DO BELIEVE UNDER DORA ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE THERE IS A GRAPHIC.
AND YOU CAN PRINT THAT OUT OR HAVE THAT AVAILABLE.
>> OKAY GOOD DEAL. YEAH WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT COME FOR THESE EVENTS AND FESTIVALS AND STUFF THAT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHERE THE PERIMETER IS, THEY LOOK AT YOU LIKE YOU HAVE TWO HEADS.
>> FAIR POINT. >> OKAY THANK YOU.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.
EFFICIENT COMMITTEE. SO THIS MEETING IS NOW
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