[Carmel 2027 Budget Q & A with City Administration and the City Council on September 28, 2026]
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          >> LET'S DO THIS AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING, BUDGET DISCUSSION. MEETING TO ORDER. 
          HERE ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, 1:52. SORRY FOR MY TARDINESS AND WILL 
          TURN IT OVER TO THE MAYOR. >> THANKS FOR BEING HERE. 
          THIS IS FOR THOSE IN THE PUBLIC WHO ARE WATCHING THIS LATER OR WATCHING IT LIVE. THIS WAS A SCHEDULED MEETING TO DISCUSS GIVE THE COUNSEL OPPORTUNITY THAT I CAN'T EVEN TALK. COUNCIL PLENTY OF TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS, BUT IF YOU RECALL, ON SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE IT. 
          WHAT WAS IT WE PUT PRESENTATIONS BY EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL BUDGET INFORMATION. 
          SO THESE ARE THE SAME PRESENTATIONS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED IN TWO DAY FORMAT WE WANTED THESE TO BE A LITTLE MORE PERSONAL. STILL WITH THE TRANSPARENCY, BUT ALSO JUST GIVE TIME KIND OF MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE PUBLIC TO VIEW THESE PRESENTATIONS BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN GREAT FEEDBACK ABOUT THOSE. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS PROCESS AS WE GET THROUGH THE BUDGET CYCLE THIS YEAR. I WOULD SAY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT BUDGET RELATED, WE HOLD THOSE AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE AFTERWARDS AND WE CAN SCHEDULE MEETINGS ABOUT THEM, AND YOU RESERVE THE TIME SPECIFICALLY 
          FOR THE BUDGET. >> KIND OF THROUGH EMAIL AND TEXT WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT WE'VE DISCUSSED MAYBE GROUPING DEPARTMENTS. AND FIVE DIFFERENT TOPICAL AR AREAS. AND THEN ADMINISTRATIVE, WHICH WOULD BE MAYOR'S OFFICE COOPERATION COUNCIL, HR AND I.T. 
          AND BROOKSHIER. TALKS REDEVELOPMENT PARKS BUT ACTUALLY I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM PARKS HERE TODAY. 
          THEY'RE IN A -- SO STREETS IN ENGINEERING AND THEN THE FINANCIAL. SO THAT WOULD BE FINANCE DPW AND THEN OPERATIONS. WE OVERSEE THAT BUDGET. 
          AND AGAIN, JUST AS A REMINDER, WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, IN ADDITION TO THE PRESENTATIONS OF THE RECORDING OF THEIR PRESENTATIONS AND ALL THE SUMMARY DOCUMENTS. 
          I BELIEVE THAT SAME DATE WE POSTED, THOSE WILL BE SENT TO COUNCIL THE -- I'VE CALLED THEM THE YELLOW SHEETS, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE BUDGET SUBMISSION FORMS THAT SHOW BY PROGRAM HOW THE BUDGETS ADD UP. WOULD THAT COME I'M HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS FRIENDS IN THE AUDIENCE IN CASE WE NEED SOME HELP. YEAH. 
          >> WELL, AS THE OUTCOME THAT WE DISCUSSED ORDER AND TRY TO BE AS EFFICIENT WITH STAFF'S TIME AS WE COULD, HENCE THE GROUPINGS. 
          WHO DID YOU SAY -- >> I WAS THINKING PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          >> OKAY. I DO SEE BOTH HERE, EXCELLENT. 
          ALSO COVERED THE FIRST QUESTION IS JUST ONE THAT JACK BROUGHT UP, AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT SEGREGATING THE LINE ITEM FOR SURVEILLANCE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S DOABLE? IS THERE A REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC? 
          >> FIRST, I WANT TO CLARIFY. WE DON'T DO SURVEILLANCE ON OUR PUBLIC. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. 
          WE USE CAMERAS FOR LICENSE PLATE THAT ARE PARTICULAR INTEREST TO THE CASE, BUT WE DON'T DO PUBLIC SURVEILLANCE I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, RIGHT TO START BEFORE WE GO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE BUDGET, BECAUSE I WILL REPHRASE THAT, THAT THE FLUX SYSTEM, BUT THEN I GUESS THAT LEADS TO THE QUESTION ABOUT LICENSE PLATE READERS WITH WHAT'S BEEN POSTED ABOUT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS CAPTURING LICENSE PLATES. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DEFINED AS, IF IT'S NOT 
          SURVEILLANCE. >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ON THAT PARTICULAR -- 
          >> YOU HIRED -- WE'LL BE MONITORING -- 
          >> THAT'S FOR PARKING ENFORCEMENT, I BELIEVE THAT YOUR -- THAT'S LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT DESIGNATED SPOTS THAT HAVE TIME ZONES RELATED TO THE PARKING THREE HOURS, 50 MINUTES, 
          OR HANDICAP. >> MONITORING IS A BETTER WORD. 
          >> PRESIDENT HAMMER: THANK YOU. >> SO I THINK WHAT JACK'S REFERRING TO THERE IN HIS. THAT'S WHAT HE BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. OUR CHARTER COUNCIL IS NOT ESPECIALLY DESCRIPTIVE IN THAT IT DOES NOT GET AT VENDOR SPECIFIC INFORMATION. THE EXPENSES THAT WERE BUDGETED FOR THE FLOCK CONTRACT ARE PUBLIC LISTED UNDER OTHER SOFTWARE OR OTHER SOFTWARE SERVICES, SOMETHNG LIKE THAT. 
          AS WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THE NEW ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, WE WILL MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CHARTER ACCOUNTS. 
          I DON'T SEE US GOING IN A METHOD WHERE WE'RE BETTER BY VENDOR WE'VE APPROPRIATED THIS DOLLARS DIRECTLY TO SPEND WITH THIS VENDOR, BUT I THINK WE CAN ALWAYS PROVIDE AS MUCH 
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TRANSPARENT INFORMATION AS ANYBODY WANTS IN TERMS OF WHAT IS THE UNDERLYING BUDGETED AMOUNT WITHIN THAT LINE. 
          BUT I DON'T SEE US NECESSARILY CHANGING OUR CHART OF ACCOUNTS 
          JUST TO ADD FLOCK TO THAT. >> MR. PRESIDENT. 
          THE EVENT WILL BEGIN SOON. >> NOTHING WOULD PREVENT ANY CITY COUNCIL FROM IF THEY WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION TO UH, JUST A PART OF THE BUDGET RATHER REDUCTION OR SOMETHING ANY COUNCILOR HERE COULD MAKE THAT ACTION IF THEY WANTED TO. 
          WE DON'T NEED IT TO BE SECTIONED OFF, RIGHT? 
          >> YES. IF IT'S RECORDING MORE TRANSPARENCY I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AS W WELL. GO AHEAD. 
          >> I WAS GOING TO KICK OFF WITH MY QUESTIONS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          SO THE -- AND ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS PROBABLY KIND OF OVERARCHING ACROSS SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS. 
          I NOTICED THERE'S A SHIFT TOWARDS THINGS GOING OVER INTO THE STREET DEPARTMENT. SO I WANT TO MAYBE ASK THAT LATER THAT OVERALL QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE THE EXCESS WORK AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT THE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE IS GOING OVER TO STREETS. HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAYBE JUST I SHOULD PROBABLY KNOW THIS. BUT WHERE WE NORMALLY TAKING CARE OF THOSE CARS LIKE JUST AN OIL CHANGE AND TIRES, AS I WAS READING T. TIRES, OIL REPAIRS, PARTS, AUTO PARTS. AND SOME OTHER FASHION. 
          SO JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. >> YEAH, AND HELLO, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS WE ARE MOVING AWAY FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT DOING THEIR OWN THING, AND SO IT'S BEEN CONSTANTLY EVOLVING, AND SO IF YOU LOOK BACK TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO. 
          ONE DEPARTMENT MAY HAVE BEEN GOING TO JIFFY LUBE AND ONE TAKING THEIR VEHICLES TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT. 
          ONE VEHICLE MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO A SEPARATE CITY GARAGE, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE CONSISTENT AND REALIZE THOSE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, TOOK A CENTRALIZING A LOT. 
          UNDERNEATH THE STREET DEPARTMENTS, PICASSO CPD SPECIFICALLY. THEY HAD THEIR OWN PHASE OUT OF THE STREET DEPARTMENT GARAGE ESSENTIALLY, NOW IT'S GOING TO BE OPERATED AS ONE GARAGE THAT THE STREET DEPARTMENT WILL MAINTAIN, AND ESSENTIALLY ALL CITY VEHICLES EXCEPT FOR UTILITY DEPARTMENT STILL HAVE THEIR OWN GARAGE, AND I THINK THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHERE WE'RE AT YET WITH A HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE MAINTENANCE ALL HANDLED CONSISTENTLY CONSISTENT PURCHASING AND AS MUCH DONE IN ONE LOCATION AS POSSIBLE. 
          >> LOVE THAT. I THINK THAT'S EXCELLENT. 
          BUT IT DID LEAD ME TO WONDER IF WE'RE GOING TO JIFFY LUBE AS AN EXAMPLE, AND NOW WE'RE DOING IT. IT HAS TO, WE HAVE TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE? DO WE NEED THOSE MORE PHASE? HOW DO WE HANDLE AND WHEN GO IN THE PARKING GARAGE AND CITY COURT THERE ARE SO MANY VEHICLES THERE. 
          EVERYBODY'S GOT ONE OUT IN THE FIELD. 
          WE HAVE A PRETTY LARGE FLEET. >> AND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS ALSO WE DO HAVE A PRETTY LARGE FLEET THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE BETTER MANAGE THAT FLEET BIGGER WE PROBABLY DO HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, MORE VEHICLES THAN WE ACTUALLY NEED, AND SO AS WE'RE CONTINUING TO -- WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PUTTING GEOTAB DEVICES IN ALL OF OUR VEHICLES SO THAT WE CAN NOW KIND OF MEASURE UTILIZATION. SEE, IS THIS GETTING ENOUGH MILEAGE TO IS IMPORTANT HAVING A VEHICLE THERE OR NOT? AS WE CONTINUE TO EVOLVE, WHETHER IT'S THE MANAGEMENT OF FLEET OR HOW WE DO THE MAINTENANCE, I THINK IT WOULD BE TO TOUCH NEED MORE PEOPLE. I THINK -- I DO BELIEVE THERE'S ONE. THERE'S ANY POSITION IN THE FLEET MAINTENANCE AREA BUT I CANNOT TELL YOU FOR SURE RIGHT NOW IF THAT'S NEEDED TO BE FILLED OR NOT. 
          >> THANK YOU. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH TIME I'M ALLOWED. SURE. 
          >> YES, THANK YOU. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I DID WANT TO ASK WAS ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT CURRENTLY, WHERE DO THEY DO THAT SERVICES? IS IT AT THE FIRE BUS MUSEUM? WHERE IS THAT MAINTENANCE? 106 AND GRAY. QUESTION. 
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          >> YEAH, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN GARAGE. 
          >> YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO MOVE THAT FROM 106 TO -- 
          >> I WOULD SAY CFD, AND UTILITIES, I THINK ARE STILL KIND OF THE OUTLIER IN TERMS OF GETTING TO WHAT MAKES SENSE THERE. WHETHER IT COULD BE THE PASSENGER VEHICLES ARE STILL -- ARE GOING TO STREET DEPARTMENT WHILE THE HEAVY DUTY -- FIRE TRUCKS. 
          WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR WHAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO 
          SERVICE THIS LEGALLY. >> I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT IN ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO EVALUATE IS AS WE LOOK TO TAKE THE WATER DISTRIBUTION BUILDING AND CREATE A FANTASTIC NEW FIRE STATION, CAN WE ALSO MOVE THE FIRE MAINTENANCE EVERY DAY OVER THERE SO IT'S ALL ON THE SAME PROPERTY AND GIVE MORE SPACE FOR TRAINING WHERE THE TRAINING, BUT THE NEW TRAINING EQUIPMENT THAT YOU GUYS AUTHORIZED THROUGH OUR BOND IS ALREADY BEING INSTALLED RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. FIGURE YOU HAVE THE PROJECTS, BUT THAT WAS THE INITIAL THOUGHT FIGURE THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY AND THERE WAS A LOT OF POSITIVITY AROUND THAT? SO WE'LL CONTINUE DIGGING INTO THAT AS WE GET THE PROJECT UNDERWAY. YEP. 
          >> YEP. >> ON THE CENTRAL FLEET MAINTENANCE, OR CENTRALIZING OF FLEET MAINTENANCE, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE WITH THE CITY TWO YEARS COMING UP ON 2 1/2. 
          YEAH, I REMEMBER WHEN YOU CAME IN FROM THE STATE YOU WERE LOOKING AT, ALL RIGHT, HOW EVERYTHING'S BLOCKED OFF IN DEPARTMENTS. EVERYTHING'S SET FOR LIFE. 
          SO TRIED TO CENTRALIZE EVERYTHING LIKE FLEET MAINTENANCE AND TRAVEL AND THE BUYING OF PAPER CLIPS, PENS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, ALL THE CONTRACTS DRIVING VOLUME UP TO TRY TO GET THE BEST PRICE. SO THE CENTRALIZING OF FLEET MAINTENANCE TO KIND OF LIKE PIGGYBACKING ON COUNSEL. 
          MENARD, THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IN THE -- INCLUDING PUBLIC SAFETY, SINCE WE'RE KIND OF FOCUSED ON PUBLIC 
          SAFETY RIGHT NOW? >> YEAH, CPD HAS BEEN FOLDED INTO THIS ONE SHOP OPERATION. YOU KNOW, GIVEN HOW UTILITIES IS FUNDED, VERY SEPARATELY. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ONE MAKES SENSE YET. BUT I THINK AS THE MAYOR WAS MENTIONING, KIND OF GRADUALLY FOLDING CFD AND AS WELL, I THINK 
          MAKES SENSE. >> ANY ESTIMATES ON SAVINGS IN CONSOLIDATING THE FLEET MAINTENANCE? 
          >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING YET COME UP, BUT I'M HAPPY TO PUT 
          SOMETHING TOGETHER BECAUSE. >> I WANT TO ADD, TOO. 
          PART OF IT'S ABOUT THE SUPPLIES AND WHEN -- EVERYONE'S GOT TO DO EVERYONE'S GOT TO DO SOMETHING DUPLICATE, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT INVENTORY SYSTEM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN IMPROVE ON IN 
          THE PROCESS. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE -- IS IT? YEAH, IT'S A WEEKDAY AND WILL SOME DAY BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT IN THAT CAPACITY AND THE RESOURCES. 
          >> YEAH, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS, THERE'S KIND OF TWO THAT WE USE, ONE IS PURELY KIND OF FROM THE ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT, AND THAT'S JUST TRACKING WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THIS ASSET, DOES THE CITY POSSESS IT OR NOT? CURRENTLY WITHIN CITY WORKS, WE ALSO COULD HAVE USED THAT FOR ASSET MANAGEMENT, BUT MORE AS LIKE A. 
          WHAT I'D SAY IS MORE OF LIKE A WORK ORDER PROCESS PROCESSING. 
          WAS THIS VEHICLE SERVICE? AND IF SO, WHAT SUPPLIES WERE USED IN. WE CAN TRACK IT THAT WAY. 
          BUT YEAH. >> SO TO THESE GUYS POINT, ONE, WHAT -- WHEN YOU CAN GET US WHATEVER THE REALIZATION OF THE SAVINGS IS YOU VALUE, NOBODY ADDITIONAL SO FAR FOR 
          MAINTENANCE? >> CORRECT. 
          >> SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF BEING FIRE OUT OF THERE TO FREE UP ROOM FOR TRAINING BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS I'VE HEARD FROM FIRE IS THERE ISN'T ENOUGH SPACE. 
          ONE FEMALE CADET AND THE CADETS -- AM I SAYING THAT CORRECTLY, COULD THROW THINGS OFF. 
          THERE'S ONE AND THEN EVERYTHING JUST GETS SEGREGATED. 
          EITHER GROWING, WHICH IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO, OR DOING SOMETHING CREATIVE LIKE MOVING THE GARAGE OVER, OVER WHAT I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL AND WALKING THROUGH WITH THE STREET STAFF, I MEAN, WITHOUT FAIL, EVERYBODY SAYS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM, AND THEN WHEN IT WAS TO VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, IT WAS THERE WAS -- I THOUGHT I HAD IT. I THOUGHT I BROUGHT THAT, BUT OF EQUIPMENT THEY DIDN'T HAVE OVER THERE I'M SURE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS SOME LARGER EQUIPMENT AND SO MY CONCERN IS JUST PUTTING ALL OF THAT INTO ONE -- THAT'S ALREADY CONGESTED, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE LIVING THERE AS WELL. ON THE SAME PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDER HIS PURVIEW WE CAN HAVE HIM DISCUSS 
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          THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE. >> WE CAN. 
          IS THAT UNDER -- >> YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE, I THINK THE CHIEF HAD MENTIONED IT. 
          IN HIS PRESENTATION THAT THE HEADCOUNT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING DOWN, BUT IT'S BECAUSE WE'VE MOVED SOME STAFF OVER TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT. SO ALL THE FOLKS WHO ARE THE MECHANICS ARE MOVING OVER TO STREETS. 
          >> PRESIDENT SNYDER:  AND WHEN ARE WE EXPECTING THAT? 
          >> HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING -- 
          >> I HAVE THEM IN THE FOURTH GROUP. 
          >> PRESIDENT SNYDER:  SO FLEET MANAGEMENT? 
          >> DO SOME BASELINE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          >> PRESIDENT SNYDER:  WELL, OUTLET. 
          JUST FINISH UP. >> MAYBE I WON'T ASK ALL MY QUESTIONS. ONE THING I SAW AND THERE WAS A -- SO OTHER EQUIPMENT IS UP 187,500 AND IT'S TO COVER IN THE NOTES IT SAYS TO COVER SWORN GEAR VESTS, PPE. 
          SO IT JUST MADE ME WONDER, IS THAT. 
          THE CASELOADS ARE GOING UP OR JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT 187,000. AND ITS OTHER EQUIPMENT THE SPECIAL PROJECTS ARE UP. 5.45, WHICH IF YOU KNOW THAT 
          ANSWER. >> YEAH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LARGELY SEEING THERE ON THAT 187. 
          187594. PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE WERE ALWAYS TRYING TO PICTURE REPAIRING SOMETHING THAT IS THAT MOST APPROPRIATE ACCOUNT CODE, AND SOMETIMES WE IMPROVE THAT AS WE'RE GOING. I'D HAVE TO DIG IN BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOTE HERE DID SAY SHIFTED FROM ACCOUNT PREVIOUSLY USED AS WELL AS THE INCREASED COSTS, BUT LET ME GET A BREAKDOWN FOR YOU. 
          >> I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF LIKE MY QUESTION ON THE -- DO YOU SEE AN IPERS? IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? SO IT WENT UP QUITE A BIT THIS YEAR. 
          ARE WE EXPECTING THAT THAT LIKE, DO YOU HAVE AN EXPECTATION. 
          THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN NEXT YEAR? IS THIS KIND OF A ONE OFF? I SHOULD DIRECTLY -- 
          >> IT HAS ABOUT SAFETY -- TALK ABOUT -- 
          >> YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO GO UP. [LAUGHTER] AND THAT IS BECAUSE AS SALARIES INCREASE PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS INCREASE. SO IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO GO UP, BUT WE WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THE OCTOBER BOARD MEETING, AND THEN THE LAST SESSION INCREASE OUR CITY'S CONTRIBUTION. 
          >> IT HAS, BUT IT'S NOT THAT. IT'S THE BOARD THAT DOES THAT. 
          BUT YEAH. DEFINITELY THE CONTRIBUTION RATE TRICKLING UP. FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          >> WE BUILT IN WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT 
          RATE IS FOR NEXT YEAR. >> AND ON THAT POINT, THE CONTRIBUTION RATE, IF IT GETS RAISED, IT'LL BE VOTED ON IN OCTOBER. BUT IT'S NOT UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO YOU GET 14 MONTHS SLEEP TIME. 
          SO IN THIS BUDGET IT WILL NOT INCREASE, BUT YOU ALREADY KNOW 
          IS -- >>  26.5. 
          >> I'M JUST GOING TO DO ONE MORE THA. 
          I WON'T TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME. THE FIRE WE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT THE OVERTIME. AND SO I SEE THAT THAT ONE WENT -- NOW, THIS -- IN THE NOTES IT SAYS THAT IT'S ABOUT 500 K BUT THAT'S ALSO AN ACCOUNT CODE SHIFT. 
          SO MY BASIC QUESTION IS ARE WE GETTING -- BECAUSE I HEARD THAT MAYOR SPEAK TO THIS IN THE PAST. ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO GET OVERTIME UNDER CONTROL. MAYBE THAT'S THE WRONG TIME, BUT TO MANAGE IT BETTER, IS THAT HAPPENING BECAUSE OF ALL 
          QUESTION. >> IT IS. 
          SO LAST YEAR YOU, AND I'LL GET YOU THESE EXACT NUMBERS. 
          I BELIEVE LAST YEAR, WE -- AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THERE WAS BETWEEN FOUR AND 5 MILLION OF OVERTIME PAID OUT, BUT WE DID DIVIDE IT INTO TWO BUCKETS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SCHEDULED OVERTIME AND UNSCHEDULED OR PLANNED AND UNPLANNED. 
          PLAN IS THE SHIFTS THAT THEY WORK IN KIND OF HOW LUMPY THOSE SHIFTS ARE AND DON'T EVENLY, -- FOR A PAY PERIOD, IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE SAME NUMBER OF DAYS WORKED. 
          THERE ENDS UP BEING SOME OVERTIME OR JUST WORKING YOUR MINIMUM NUMBER OF SHIFTS, THERE'S OVERTIME WE ALSO HAVE THE UNPLANNED OUTAGES FOR COLLINS, AND THAT'S THE ONE WHERE WE'VE BEEN HAVING MORE FIREFIGHTERS TO MOVE THAT NUMBER. THIS YEAR, WE ARE DOWN. 
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I THINK IT'S STILL A MOVING TARGET, BUT I THINK 3.2 QUOTE, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE THINKING THIS YEAR? FOUR OVERTIME. SO -- NOW, AS YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, IT MIGHT BE THAT IT MAY NOT BE -- IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE MORE OF AN INCREASE TO NEXT YEAR THAN WHAT IT REALLY IS BECAUSE JUST AS A REMINDER FOR THIS YEAR, WE HELD 1.5 MILLION ON A P OH LAST YEAR FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR OVERTIME SEEKING HOPEFULLY WE'VE STAFFED THEM UP ENOUGH THAT WE WON'T NEED THIS. WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT STILL THIS YEAR. SO WE DO HAVE A REQUEST COMING IN OCTOBER TO COUNCIL TO BASICALLY FREE UP THOSE P.O. 
          DOLLARS, AND THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          I THINK 700000, IS THAT STILL THE CURRENT ESTIMATE ON TOP OF THE 1.5 WHICH JUST A HUNDRED -- OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. 
          BUT NEXT YEAR, WE WON'T BE CARRYING THAT P.O. OVER. 
          AND SO WE WILL LEAVE -- IT LOOKS LIKE A LARGER NUMBER NEXT YEAR, BUT IT'S MORE BECAUSE THAT 1.5 WAS JUST A CARRYOVER FROM LAST 
          NIGHT. >> THANK YOU. 
          OH, MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO GO UP AUTOMATICALLY, TOO. SO THANK YOU. 
          SO I BELIEVE THAT I'D LOVE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, IF WE COULD, TO DIG INTO THE HOURS JUST SO WE CAN BETTER EDUCATE OURSELVES. WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD A MOMENT TO DO THAT. SO -- ALSO AGAIN, A REQUEST HERE TO PLEASE ASK ALL CONCERNED TO SPEAK LOUDLY INTO THE MICROPHONES REMEMBER HAVING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. 
          SO ALWAYS EAGER TO REMIND. >> I APOLOGIZE, MR. WINKLER, IF I'M NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH, I'LL DO IT LOUDER. 
          JUST OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO HIRE AND WHAT'S OUR GOAL? 
          >> I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          I KNOW OUR LABOR PLAN. >> BUDGET HAS 195 SWORN. 
          IS THE GOAL FOR FIREFIGHTERS? FOUR -- DO YOU HAVE THAT QUESTION IS IT WRITTEN DOWN H HERE. 
          >> 195 IS THE GOAL FOR HOW FAR OFF OUR? BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 
          THAT. YOU'RE ON IT. 
          SPIGEL, LUCAS, REY DEPUTY CHIEF ADMINISTRATION. 
          SO ARE YOU ASKING FOR 2036 HOW MANY WE HIRED OR HOW MUCH. 
          >> I WAS ASKING ABOUT 2360 WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHICH IS THE 
          OVERTIME NUMBER ON? >> CURRENTLY DOWN 13 PEOPLE TODAY WE ARE AT -- WE HAVE WILL HAVE 189 IS ONE INDIVIDUALS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT 184. 
          BASED ON RETIREMENTS. THEY'VE, THROUGHOUT THAT YEAR, BUT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE DISABILITIES, GO OFF AS WELL. 
          SO PEOPLE THAT SO OUR GOAL. IS 199. 
          WE. ARE LOOKING TO HIRE NEXT YEAR. 
          I HAVE A 12-INCH VERSION IF WE'RE LOOKING TO START IN JANUARY AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SIX LATERALS WHO'VE SPOKEN TO MY CLIPBOARD AND TOILET. SAID THAT WILL HELP AGAINST THE NUMBERS AS WELL. FOR THE. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> YOU SAID SORRY. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD THAT RIGHT. 
          12 CADETS THAT YOU'RE HIRING FOR 2027 AND THEN SIX LATERALS FOR 
          2027. >> 2026. 
          IF SIX LATERALS -- IS THE NEXT MONTH, THEY WILL START. 
          >> OKAY, PERFECT THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          >> AND WE HAVE A REALLY FELT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HIRE MORE LATERALS IN THE MIDDLE OF 2027 BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THAT RELIEF VALVE AS WELL. 
          WE DO HAVE A VIEW BUDGET, IS THAT CORRECT? 
          SO -- >> SINCE YOU'RE THERE AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GENERALLY LICK THIS FROM A ADMINISTRATIVE POINT FREEING UP SPACE AT THE TRAINING CENTER FOR TRAINING? 
          >> YEAH, DEFINITELY USE ADDITIONAL SPACE THERE. 
          >> WAS DOING MAINTENANCE OPERATION AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT, CORRECT? I HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT I APOLOGIZE. 
          I DON'T KNOW A LOT TO -- >> BUT NOT TALK ABOUT THE FIRE STATION BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK MORE IN DEPTH OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR US. AT THIS TIME, I DON'T REALLY 
          KNOW IF THERE'S AN OBJECTION TO. >> TWO. 
          , WE HAVE NOT ENGAGED IN CONSULTING, SO WE GOT A LOT OF 
          WORK TO DO. >> I'M JUST GOING TO ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S COMPLICATED, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND WHEN THE PUBLIC SEES SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, TOO, EIGHT BECOMES DIFFICULT SOMETIMES TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING A SHIFT IN THAT FIGHT VERSUS THE DEFERRED COMPENSATION PACKAGES FOR FIREFIGHTERS, AND I KNOW IT'S COMPLEX. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. 
          BUT THERE'S A BIG JUMP THAT WE'VE SEEN IN 2026 TO 2027, AND THE -- HAS GONE DOWN, DOWN, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OR OR A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPLANATION. 
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THAT IS COMPLICATED ISSUE TO UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK IT IS 
          IMPORTANT FOR. >> SO HISTORICALLY, AS YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          >> ALSO WORKS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. 
          SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM. >> I COULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU WHEN BY SOME POINT IN THE PAST I BELIEVE THE FOP VOTED INSTEAD OF PAYING INTO SOCIAL SECURITY, THEY STILL DO THE MEDICARE PORTION OF. BUT INSTEAD OF PAYING INTO SOCIAL SECURITY. THEY ELECTED TO RECEIVE THOSE DOLLARS AS ADDITIONAL DIFFERENT COMPENSATION EFFECTIVE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UNION ALSO MADE THAT ELECTION AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS KIND OF FIT NEXT YEAR. 
          THIS YEAR, WE HAD TO DO LIKE A MID-YEAR TRANSFER OF THE DOLLARS THAT WERE THE 5:OVER TO DEFERRED COMP NEXT YEAR. 
          WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT WE'VE ESSENTIALLY REDUCED THAT AMOUNT OF A TICKET LINE AND MOVED TO GO TO THE DEFERRED COP, IT SHOULD BE -- IN TERMS OF WHAT THE FIREFIGHTER BENEFITS FROM, IT SHOULD BE THE SAME DOLLARS ARE BEING PUT AWAY IN THEIR NAME TICKET IT SAYS A MATTER OF NOW THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CHOOSE HOW THEY'RE INVESTED IN THAT DEFERRED CONTROVERSIES. 
          JUST GETTING PAID INTO SOCIAL SECURITY BECAUSE. 
          >> YEAH. >> THAT PART OF IT IS 7:IT'S A SECURITY BASICALLY THINK OF IT THAT THE EMPLOYEE WAS PAYING FOR THAT. THAT'S NOW GOING TO PUT INTO DEFER FROM OR EXCUSE ME, THE INCLUDED THAT THE INPUT IS THAT THE SIX WERE AT THE MEMBER WAS PAYING BOSCO BACK TO THE MEMBER. 
          EITHER IN THE FORM OF BOTH THE SALARY INCREASE AND MORE MONEY TO DEFER.COM. YEAH. 
          >> AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE THE EXISTING DEFERRED COMP PLAN FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. THAT MATCHES UP TO 10% OF THE IRIS LIMIT OF OUR FIRST YEAR, ALL THE WAY UP TO 15% AFTER THE FIFTH YEAR. BECAUSE THIS IS SEPARATE FROM THAT. AND TO YOUR POINT, TRAUMA THE CITY'S PORTION THAT GOES TO THEM AUTOMATICALLY, WHETHER THEY CHOOSE WHAT HAD BEEN THEIR EFFECTIVE CONTRIBUTION FOR SOCIAL SECURITY. WHAT THEY DO TO WITH THAT BECOMES THE, IF IT WOULD JUST BE RATHER THAN THE -- THEY WOULD 
          JUST BE THE. >> SO INSTEAD OF 12 AND HAVE GOING TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY SECURITY, NOW IT'S GOING BACK TO THE FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS. 
          >> RIGHT, AND SO THE CITY SHARE OF THE PSYCHO DROPS DRAMATICALLY, BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING AN INCREASE IN NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES NUMBER OF SALARIES. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT JUST IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND FOR MOST PEOPLE, AND I GET WHERE WE'RE DOING IT AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT. 
          >> BUT THIS IS LIMITED TO PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          IT'S NOT ALL CITY EMPLOYEES. THIS IS ONLY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I WAS IN A TALK A LITTLE BIT HIGH LEVEL ABOUT REVENUES GENERAL FUND BALANCES. 
          FIRST ONE IS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE IF PEOPLE LOOK AT THE CURRENT BUDGET, BUT THERE'S ABOUT 5.7 MILLION OF SHORT EYE TROUBLE, AND THE DEBT SERVICE LEVY FOR NEXT YEAR BUDGETED. 
          AND OUR PROPERTY TAX LEVY. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY MAXIMIZING OUR GENERAL FUND LA IS IMPORTANT AS IT RELATES TO OUR COLLECTION OF LOCAL INCOME TAXES AND BY TAKING THE MAX LEVY, IS THAT WHY WE'RE SEEING THIS SIGNIFICANT THE BIGGER INCREASE IN THE THAN WHAT WE OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED? AND I HAD A COUPLE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. 
          >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. SO THIS BUDGET IS A THE SAME PROPERTY TAX RATE THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY USING, AT 7.783. 
          GIVEN THAT THE C ONE CREATED NEW DEDUCTIONS AND CREDITS, THE OVERALL A.B. FOR CARMEL IS GOING DOWN FOR TAX PURPOSES FROM 26 TO 27. AND SO THE BASIS FOR OUR PROPERTY TAXES THIS YEAR ARE ON 12. OF 12.4 BILLION. 
          WHEREAS NEXT YEAR IT'S DOWN BY 199 MILLION TO 12-POINT TO BILLION INSTEAD, FOR ESSENTIALLY YOU TAKE THAT -- 
          >> MAX LEFT, IT GOES UP SOME -- FOR OUR GENERAL FUND GOES UP TO 
          46%. >> THAT'S WHY I PROPOSE THAT WE TAKE THAT OVER SEEN AS TIMES THE SAME RATE, AND YOU END UP WITH A 
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PRODUCT THAT'S LOWER THAN IT WAS FOR THE CURRENT YEAR. 
          YOU GET TO KIND OF, TO AN EXTENDED. 
          HOW MUCH OF THAT IN WE'RE GOING TO APPLY FOR OPERATING LEVY VERSUS SERVICE. ET AS WE'RE AS WE SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SHORT ON ONE END OR THE OTHER IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET AS CLOSE AS WE DID LAST YEAR, TO THE GENERAL FUND OR OTHER OPERATIONS THAT YOU DID. BUT IT COMES TO OUR DISTRIBUTIONS ARE ACTUALLY BASED ON THE SIZE OF OUR OPERATING LEVY IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER CITIES, TOWNS IN HAMILTON COUNTY. AND SO MAINTAINING A HIGHER PROPERTY TAX OPERATING LEVY RESULTS IN US GETTING 3 MILLION MORE OF I SHOULDN'T SAY MORE, MAINTAINING 3 MILLION THAT WOULD OTHERWISE STILL BE COLLECTED ON INCOME TAXES, BUT WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO BY HAVING OUR OPERATING LEVY WHERE WE NEED IT, WE MAINTAIN THAT CIRCLE. 
          IT IS NOT -- IN TERMS OF THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WE'RE FORECASTING YEAR OVER YEAR, IT IS NOT DUE TO THIS DECISION. 
          THAT IS SEPARATE BASED UPON FRANKLY, JUST WHAT THE STATE HAS TOLD US. AIR THAT RECEIPTS WILL BE NEXT YEAR. THERE'S TWO NUMBERS, ONE IS THE CERTIFIED NUMBER. ONE IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL. 
          THEY GIVE US ON AUGUST 15. PLUS, CERTIFIED NUMBER IS GOING TO BE FOR NEXT YEAR. THE SUPPLEMENTAL KIND OF GRADUALLY COMES INTO FOCUS. IT'S NOT EXACTLY UNTIL LATER, UNTIL NEXT YEAR. I THINK I HIT ALL OF THOSE. 
          >> NO, THAT WAS PERFECT, AND THEN ON THE SURPLUS AND ON THE NET COLLECTIONS REPORT, IT SHOWS A PROPERTY TAX REVENUE OF $46,094,897. OTHER PRESENTATION IT SAYS $46,099,489 I'M ASSUMING THAT THE ACCURATE NUMBER IS THAT 
          46,094,897. >> YEAH, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK, BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS THAT WHAT IS THE LEVY VERSUS WHAT IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT WE WILL RECEIVE AFTER WE SET THE LEVY AND AFTER EVERYTHING THAT SHOULD COME OFF OF THAT. AND IF I COULD CLARIFY. 
          SO I BELIEVE OUR TOTAL PROPERTY TAX LEVY WILL BE ALMOST EXACTLY 95 MILLION. YOU SAID AT THAT RATE THAT SHOULD HAVE NET COLLECTIONS OF 91.1.% SAYS LEVY WOULD BE 37 THAT LEVY WOULD BE A THREE YOUR EARLIER POINT. BECAUSE WE WERE. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE THE DEBT LEVY IS SHORT ON THE GENERAL SIDE, WE'RE APPROPRIATING 5.7 MILLION TO COVER THAT SERVICE PAYMENTS THAT WOULD NORMALLY, BE BACKED BY PROPERTY TAXES, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE WOULD BE JUST BACK -- 
          >> YEAH, THANK YOU. GOOD CLARIFICATION FOR THE PUBLIC. AND ON THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE CASH RESERVES, CURRENTLY, YOU'RE SHOWING 17-POINT TO MILLION GENERAL FUND BALANCE. . 
          BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE, I THINK THE GOAL IS TO TAKE 5 MILLION FOR THAT, WHICH WOULD BRING OUR GENERAL FUND BALANCE DOWN TO 15.5 MILLION. WHICH WOULD BE AN 8% BALANCE. 
          IS THAT THE CURRENT PLAN AND ARE YOU, FOR A SPECIAL APPROPRIATION 
          FROM THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE,. >> I THINK EVERYTHING YOU SAID THERE I FOLLOWED WITH EXCEPT YOU MIGHT HAVE TRANSPOSED A NUMBER OF. I MIGHT HAVE TRANSPOSED A NUMBER, BUT I THINK THE 17.2 AFTER WE TAKE THAT 5 MILLION FOR 
          THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LEAVES 12.2. >> THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. 
          12.5, SORRY. >> THAT IS STILL BETTER THAN 8%, WHICH IS BETTER THAN THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE NOT FILLED THAT REQUEST INTO THIS BUDGET, AND SO I WOULD SEE THAT AS WE GET CLOSER TO THOSE DOLLARS PICK, UP AT SOME POINT 
          IN THE FUTURE. >> THEN I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO EACH DEPARTMENT, BUT I CAN ASK WHEN WE GET THERE FOR BUT ON THE -- I'LL ASK ABOUT THE APPROPRIATIONS PLAN FOR NEXT 
          YEAR. >> : AND THEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE HR BUDGET AND THEN THE PROPOSED BUDGET ON SLIDE 15 
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BECAUSE $4,589,027. THAT ON PAGE 8, I'VE GOT PRESENTATION. IT SHOWS 3,988,900. 
          FOR YOU -- >> AND I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR WHAT 
          WAS THE FIRST PART OF THAT? >> THE PROPOSED BUDGET ON THE SLIDE, PAGE 15 SHOWS A BUDGET OF 4.5. 
          >> I'M SORRY. BEFORE YOU WENT TO THE HR, YOU 
          HAD SOMETHING ELSE. >> OH, JUST TALKING ABOUT THE 
          APPROPRIATIONS AND THE PLAN. >> YEAH, SO COMING INTO THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE WE HAD GENERAL FUND PURCHASE ORDERS OR ENCUMBRANCES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM, THAT ROLLED OVER TO THE TUNE OF I WANT TO SAY $7.6 MILLION, BUT I WANT TO VERIFY THAT. I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE GO INTO ANY NECESSARILY WITH THE GOAL OF WE'RE GOING TO CARRY OVER FROM YEAR TO YEAR BEFORE, AND OFTEN BECOMES MORE OF A -- WELL, PLEASE TELL US WHERE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PURPOSE, AND WE'VE NOT COMPLETED THAT PROJECT YET. THERE'S STILL AN INVOICE THAT'S HANGING OUT THERE OR THERE IS STILL A THERE'S THE PROJECT IS ONLY HALF DONE, BUT WE ENCUMBERED, I THINK, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE, WAS A GOOD PRACTICE OF ENCUMBERING OR PUTTING ON AS MUCH OF YOUR BUDGET EARLY IN THE YEAR AS THIS POSSIBLE. WE WERE KIND OF IN A METHODOLOGY OF, AS SALLY WENT TO MAKE A PAYMENT. 
          THAT MIGHT BE WHEN THEY WERE DOING THEIR FOR THE FIRST TIME, IT YOU WANT TO BE LOCKING THOSE DOLLARS UP EARLY IN THE YEAR SO YOU DON'T USE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          WE'RE CONSTANTLY MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON POS AS ENCUMBRANCES AND REACHING OUT TO DEPARTMENTS ON AN ONGOING BASIS WHEN THEY ARE CARRYING DOLLARS OVER FROM YEAR TO YEAR WE STILL NEED IT, OR CAN WE CLOSE THIS? IN TERMS OF HR, I NEED TO DOUBLE SURE I ESPECIALLY SEE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD DO ON A BREAK? 
          >> YES, YEAH. >> I'M NOT SURE WHERE EVERYONE'S CAPSULE FALLS BECAUSE IT FALLS INTO THE SAFETY. 
          BUT I JUST -- IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK? ALL RIGHT. ON THE LINE, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR ASKING FOR THOSE COMPARISON. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT FIGURE THAT HELPED ME OUT A LOT BETTER ON THE AMBULANCE, ONE, WHAT IS THE OTHER EQUIPMENT AND -- IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A REALLY QUITE AN INCREASE. 
          213%. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS OF WHAT THAT WOULD USE FOR THE. WHAT WAS THE INCREASE FOR? UM, STRUGGLING TO TALK TODAY, TOO. 
          YEAH. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS -- AND THAT 
          WAS -- >> I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT HERE LET ME GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. 
          THERE ARE SEVERAL EQUIPMENT PLANS IN THEIR BUDGET. 
          BUT LET ME MY GUESS MIGHT BE THAT SOME OF THESE HAVE GONE UP AND SOME OF THEM HAVE GONE DOWN, BUT LET ME DIVE AND I'LL GET YOU 
          A MORE THOUGHTFUL ANSWER FOR. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> YEAH, APPRECIATE IT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF BOOTS ON THE GROUND FROM FIRE, BUT I'D LIKE TO AS I'M THE CHIEF STERLING. 
          AND JUST KIND OF RESTATED THE QUESTION, NOT ALWAYS AS AN PASSIVE AGGRESSIVELY COMPLAIN ABOUT PIKER OH, NOT HAVING ENOUGH OF THIS ONE POLICE OFFICERS, PARTICULARLY SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS. I THINK I SAW 163 SWORN POLICE OFFICERS POSITION IN 25 AND 26, AND THEN WE HAVE OF THOSE, I ASSUME IN 2026, 157 ARE FILLED AND SIX ARE CURRENTLY? 
          >> CORRECT. >> AND ADDING THREE POSITIONS TO 2027. BUMPING UP TO 165. 
          SO HYPOTHETICALLY, TELL WILL BE EIGHT SHORT I GUESS EIGHT BECAUSE OF HE'S BETWEEN WHAT WHITEFIELD. 
          WE KNOW HOW MANY RETIREMENTS ARE COMING IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS OR TARGETED? I MEAN. 
          THOUGH THERE IN THAT ROOM AND IT'S BEEN EXTENDED. 
          SO WHO KNOWS WHEN. YOU KIND OF SEE IT COMING 
          THROUGH. >> YEAH, WE KNOW OF OR DETERMINES IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2027. 
          WE WILL BRING SIX ASSUMING THEY MAKE IT TOWARD THE PENSION BOARD NEXT WEEK, WE WILL BRING SIX NEW RECRUITS TO CONSERVATIVES WERE 
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IN ON NOVEMBER 9TH SO THAT WILL TAKE SOME OF THOSE UNDER, AND WE'LL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL, I DON'T KNOW, RIGHT AROUND THE FIRST 50 OR SO, WE SHALL BE FULLY STAFFED RIGHT AROUND THE 
          FIRST OF THE YEAR FOR THE. >> OKAY, WITH THE BUDGET NUMBERS. I'M PROTECTING US BEING FULLY STAFFED, NOT 5%, VACANT OR WHATEVER. 
          CORRECT, FULLY STAFFED. >> OKAY. 
          AND WE'VE KIND OF LEFT OFF 163165 HOW'S THE -- WHAT MODEL OR WHAT'S THE STANDARD YOU USE TO DETERMINE WHEN 65 IS WHAT WE 
          NEED? >> YEAH, WE DID A STAFFING ALLOCATION STUDY LAST YEAR, AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT OUR OBLIGATED TIME SPENT WITHIN CITIZEN GENERATED CALLS SELF-INITIATED CALLS FOR SERVICE, AND THEN KIND OF SOME DISCRETIONARY TIME BEFORE TAKING BREAKS, ETC. WAS RIGHT ON PART WITH 155. IN 2027 WILL BE ROLLING OUT A MENTAL SHIFT, AND AFTER THE SHIFT. 
          SO THIS BIG TEN AND A HALF HOUR SHIFTS, 130 TO MIDNIGHT. 
          TO BOLSTER THAT STAFFING SO I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT 165 AND WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO GET THE NEW POSITIONS. 
          SPRINKLED IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE MATCHING YOUR CAPACITY AND CAPABILITIES WITH THAT PATTERN THAT SHOWS WHAT YOU NEED, IF ALL RIGHT, ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT IS SYSTEM DISCUSSIONS HERE AND THERE ABOUT TECHNOLOGY, AND TECHNOLOGY TO GET INTO THAT PART OF THE FACT THAT IT'S USED AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER I'LL SAY IT. SO WHAT KIND OF BENEFITS DO YOU FORESEE IN THE 27 BUDGET TO HELP ADVANCE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT POLICE DEPARTMENTS USING TO USE AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER? 
          >> YEAH, I THINK WE'RE IN A PRETTY GOOD. 
          PLACE WITH TECHNOLOGY. WE'VE ADDED A FEW PIECES THAT WE PICK UP, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS JUST IN OUR OPERABILITY BETWEEN PARTNER AGENCIES HERE IN THE AREA. IF WE COULD GET THAT OFF THE GROUND, WITH THAT, BE GREAT I'M HOPEFUL WE COULD GET SOME STATE FUNDING FOR THAT. SO WE ARE NOT AS THAT INCIDENT 
          2037 BUDGET. >> VICE PRESIDENT BOWERS: BUT OVERALL COVER FOR TECHNOLOGY WISE. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. >> HEY, CHIEF. 
          >> PRESIDENT HAMMER: FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IS A PROGRAM JUST IN 2026 DESPITE A LITTLE OVER 600 CALLS FOR SERVICE. ABOUT 46% OF THE TIME, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS IT'S RESPONDING IN ABOUT A MINUTE, 44 SECONDS. 
          SO ONE OF THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF POSITIONS THAT WE PUT INTO OUR TRACE AND BUDGET WAS AN AFTERNOON DRONE OPERATOR, A CIVILIAN PILOT, COST A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN ACE ONE PILOT. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF THE DIRECTION WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE WITH THAT. 
          AGAIN, LOOKING AND AFTERNOON HOURS WHEN CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE THE BUSIEST AND STAFFING COSTS KIND OF PAID OFF A LITTLE BIT EXCITED ABOUT THAT I THINK THOSE HOURS AFTER 4:00 PM RIGHT NOW THERE ARE A LITTLE LIGHT THERE. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SUPER BENEFICIAL TO HAVE. 
          >> AS ANOTHER FOLLOW UP TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WE DON'T HAVE DRONES CIRCLING ABOVE AT 20,000 FEET, LOOKING FOR TARGETS. DRONES ARE SITTING THERE AS SOON AS A CALL COMES IN THEY'RE IMMEDIATELY GOING TO HELP ACCELERATE THE WHOLE PROCESS. IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> JUST A QUESTION, ON THE FLOCK ALLOCATION, WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THIS INTO BUDGET BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE IN TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. 
          SO ONE IS IN THE GENERAL FUND PIECE, AND THEN ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AID FUND CAN YOU. 
          >> PRESIDENT SNYDER: -- IS THAT PART OF -- IS FLOCK INCLUDED IN THAT OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT SYSTEM SUBSCRIPTION THAT'S 
          INCLUDED THAT? >> SO AIR LOCK IS SPLIT BETWEEN THE GENERAL FUND AND OPIOID AND FUND. 
          HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE NOT HIRING BECAUSE OF FORCE MULTIPLIER. QUESTION INVESTMENT INVESTMENTS? 
          >> SO OUR OFFICERS PROBABLY MAYBE HISTORICALLY, I SHOULD NOT HAVE USED THAT, OUR OFFICERS USE OUR TECHNOLOGY IN ALL OF OUR TECHNOLOGY FOR THAT MATTER, AS AN ELITE INVESTIGATIVE TOOL, IT'S BEEN SUPER HELPFUL FOR US. BUT IT DOES NOT ALLOWED US TO HIRE LESS COPS NOR DO I SEE IT TO SO IN THE FUTURE. 
          IT'S STRICTLY INTO. >> JUST SAY BACKHANDED. 
          I TOLD YOU SO NO, BUT I THINK THAT TO TONY'S POINT THAT DRONES ARE NOT SELLING. YOU KNOW, WHEN ONE'S ABOVE YOU AND AT ALL TIMES, AND I'VE SEEN THEM RESPOND, I THINK IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL. THERE'S. 
          >> SINCE WE'RE ON THIS TOPIC AND, WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST GUIDELINES IN PLACE WHEN IT COMES TO THE USE OF THIS PROGRAM, AND ALMOST A MODEL THAT OTHER CITIES COULD FOLLOW TO PUT 
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THOSE PERCUSSIONS INTO THE PUBLIC. 
          COULD YOU TALK A BIT ABOUT THAT. WHICH MAKES. 
          >> YEAH, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE PROTOCOLS WE PUT IN PLACE. 
          WE HAVE ONE OF THE MORE MATURE, MORE ROBUST PROGRAMS THAT HAS ALLOWED US, AS THE MAYOR OF, AND I HAVE TRAVELED TO VARIOUS LOCATIONS WE MET WITH OVER A DOZEN MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. WE SHARED OUR STANDARDS, OUR POLICY, OUR EXPECTATIONS WITH THEM I THINK THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY IT'S DUE FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THE SYSTEM ACROSS THE STATE, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION. GOT REALLY GOOD LANGUAGE IN OUR POLICY IN TERMS OF DATA RETENTION, HUMAN VERIFICATION AUDIT TRAILS. DATA OWNERSHIP HAVING A GOOD WRITTEN POLICY THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE ACROSS THE BOARD AT THE STATE. THUS FAR, RESPONSE FROM LEGISLATORS HAS BEEN VERY, VERY POSITIVE, AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK WE LEAD THE WAY IN THAT INDIANA ASSOCIATION. SHE SAID POLICE HAS HAD GOOD AIR POLICY AS THE PREFERRED POLICY, AND WE JUST GOT A NOTIFICATION FROM THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION CHIEFS OF POLICE, WHICH UNDER MODEL POLICIES ALMOST VERBATIM WHAT OURS READS 
          AS WELL. >> YEAH, I WAS NOT ONLY IMPRESSED BUT ALSO YOU HAVE STRICT GUIDELINES ABOUT WHO CAN AIR, NOT EVERY OFFICER CAN ACCESS. 
          >> ONLY TRAINED MEMBERS CAN ACCESS IT, CORRECT, YEAH. 
          >> SO I THINK WHAT ADAM SAINT AND PROBABLY SOME OF THE OTHERS UP HERE ARE TAKING THIS, THIS WILL PROBABLY BE A GREAT CONVERSATION, IN NON-BUDGET MEETING, ESPECIALLY GIVEN ALL THE ARRESTS. I DO WANT A HUGE CREDIT THE TO THE MAYOR AND YOU AND I KNOW ABOUT THE TRAVELS AND THE TEACHINGS AND WE REALLY DO HAVE A ROBUST GUIDELINES. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPER WORDS ARE. 
          BUT GOOD JOB AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN EARN SOME PUBLIC FAITH IN SOME OF THAT ONE? I DO HAVE ON THE LICENSE PLATE READER AND REALLY, IT GOES WITH THE FLOCK AND WHY THE QUESTION PERTAINS TO BUDGETS AS WELL AS I WAS JUST READING THROUGH THAT IN TERMS OF CONDITIONS OF THE EYE, I KNEW ABOUT THE GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND IT EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT THEY'LL BE SELLING OUR DATA. SO IS THERE AN OPTION TO PAY MORE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT SELLING DATA? 
          >> SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY SPECIFICALLY? 
          >> KNOW THAT LICENSE PLATE READERS, TO THE MONITORING OF 
          VEHICLES IN PARKING SPACES. >> IT'S NOT MY THAT THEY'RE 
          SELLING OUR DATA. >> IT'S IN THERE AND CONDITIONS, IF THERE'S AN OPTION TO PAY MORE. 
          SO THEY DO NEED TO SELL DATA THAN WE CAN STILL ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL. I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT PRICE DIFFERENCE IS. AND WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE AND I MISUNDERSTOOD, MAYBE YOU BROUGHT UP FLEET MANAGEMENT AND I THOUGHT YOU MEANT MATT WASN'T HERE, AND NOW I SEE MATT. 
          AS IT PERTAINS TO. YOU'VE HAD CARS PARKED IN THE GARAGE, YOU GOT A WHOLE FIELD OVER AT THE STREET DEPARTMENT. 
          A, IS IT ENOUGH SPACE? IS IT WORKING FOR YOU? I'M GOING TO HAVE THE SAME QUESTION FOR FIRE AND THEN, OR IS THIS NOT HAPPENING IN TO ANY PLACE THAT WE SHOULD BE WORRYING ABOUT THIS IN THE BUDGET DISCUSSION, IF NOBODY'S BEEN. 
          DO ABOUT IT? >> NO, WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. IN FACT, WE'VE BEEN KIND OF PILOTING A SHARED GARAGE HERE FOR A FEW MONTHS. 
          WE'RE KEEPING THE SAME MECHANICS. 
          THEY'RE IN THE SAME BUILDING. THEY'RE GOING TO BEGIN OPERATING UNDER THE STREET DEPARTMENT UMBRELLA, AS FAR AS THE FLEET ITSELF, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DOWNSIZE IT QUITE A BIT BECAUSE WE GOT ANOTHER 25 OR 30 THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO SET OFF TO AUCTION, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE A LITTLE HEAVY IN THE FLEET WITH SOME OF THESE USAGE WE PUT THEM THROUGH SOME RESEARCH WE'VE DONE WE THINK WE CAN ELIMINATE THE CARS. 
          I FEEL REALLY GOOD. >> DO YOU THINK THAT 99,000 THAT CORRECT ME IF I'M I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. 
          IT'S ABOUT 95,000. IT'S NO LONGER IN YOUR BUDGET FOR MAINTENANCE. IT'S BEING SHIFTED TO STREETS. 
          IS THAT A PRETTY ACCURATE NUMBER OF WHAT YOU SPENT ON VEHICLE 
          MAINTENANCE LAST YEAR? >> I BELIEVE SO. 
          WE HAVE NOT HAD TO REALLY >> YOU'RE SELLING OFF A BUNCH OF VEHICLES AND THEY'RE GETTING NEW VEHICLES. 
          SHOULD THAT NUMBER GO DOWN? IT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM ANYMORE. 
          IT'S THE STREET DEPARTMENT'S. BUT IN THEORY. 
          >> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SPECIFIC DATA, SO I'M NOT QUITE 
          SURE IF. >> IS THAT A WASH, WHAT CAME OU- 
          >> YEAH, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE BUDGET WAS DIRECTLY ADDED T- 
          >> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SUBSEQUENT CHANGES? IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FLEET, NOT A FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS THEIR EQUIPMENT. 
          IS THAT HAPPENING IN 2027? IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE WORRYING ABOUT OR DO YOU WANT MORE TIME TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS 
          WITH. >> THE CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER WAS WHEN THE FIRE STATION OPENED IN 2028. 
          THAT WOULD BE FULLY FUNCTIONAL AS WELL. 
          AGAIN, WE'VE NOT DUG INTO THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING 
          IT WILL BE A 27 BUDGET. >> OKAY. 
          >> UNLESS WE MANAGE TO HAVE SOME PLAN THAT COMES UP, BUT THAT WAS 
          NOT THE PLAN. >> SO I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT THEY WERE WORKING ON FLEET -- FIRE FLEET AT THE STREET 
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          DEPARTMENT. >> THERE'S PASSENGER VEHICLES. 
          THE QUESTION IS COME WITH THE SUV, DOES THAT GET DONE -- 
          >> YES, THAT'S MY QUESTION. >> I THINK AS A CONVERSATION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. WE'RE ON POLICE FIRST AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE THAT HANDLE, AND THEN THE NEXT PIECE DOWN THE ROAD. BUT AS FAR AS THE BIGGER 
          EQUIPMENT THAT. >> AS A QUESTION ABOUT PERSONNEL, BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, YOU WERE SAYING THE SAME PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON THE VEHICLES, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PERSONNEL UNDER THE STREET DEPARTMENT? SO THEY WON'T BE IN YOUR NUMBERS OF PERSONNEL. 
          SO THOSE NUMBERS IN YOUR CIVILIAN PERSONNEL WILL. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS. >> YEAH, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY PRESENTATION, YOU'LL SEE THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF POSITIONS GO DOWN A FEW. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WERE SHIFTED OVER TO THAT'S A BUDGET. AND I WANTED TO MAKE ONE POINT BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OTHER EQUIPMENT. 
          >> MAYOR FINKAM: COMING YOU MENTIONED 187,000, THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS ATTRIBUTED TO OUR AXON CONTRACT, WHICH IS OUR BODY WORN CAMERAS, OUR TASERS, TO FOR EVIDENCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. THAT CONTRACT NATURALLY ESCALATES THROUGHOUT ITS LIFE. AND WITH THE MAJORITY OF IT IS 
          ACCOUNTED FOR THERE. >> SO THEN WHEN YOU, IT WOULD GO 
          UP 180,000? >> NOT THE ENTIRETY, BUT THE 
          MAJORITY OF IT. >> OKAY. 
          >> ANOTHER LARGE PIECE OF IT WAS THAT PASSPORT, THE TECHNOLOGY FOR THE PARKING SOFTWARE, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE STRUNG TOGETHER THE LAST MINUTE, AND THEN WE FULLY REALIZED IN -- 
          >> WAY, THANK YOU. PIKER CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE THIRD FLOOR OF THAT PARKING GARAGE, THERE'S A WHOLE ROW OF NEW POLICE CRUISERS THAT HAVE BEEN ALL UPDATED WITH THE NEW LOGO AND EVERYTHING. AND THEN I JUST HEARD YOU SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DOWNSIZE THE FLEET. 
          ARE WE GETTING RID OF THOSE VEHICLES? OKAY. SO HOW DOES THIS ALL WORK? 
          >> BECAUSE THOSE I THINK ARE 13 NEW 2026 IS THAT WE RECEIVED THIS YEAR. WE WERE A LITTLE LATE ON THE SECOND-DAY EQUIPMENT BECAUSE OF THE EQUIPMENT CAME IN HERE. 
          SO THOSE SHOULD BE FULLY FULL BUILT OUT HERE IN THE FUTURE. 
          >> THE ONES I'M LOOKING AT HAVE BEEN THERE AT LEAST FIVE MONTHS. 
          >> THE CARS THAT YOU SEE EVEN WAS A LITTLE DELAYED. 
          >> OKAY, THANKS. >> THE ONES YOU'RE OFF -- 
          >> YEAH, THEY ALL HAVE THE OLD LOGOS. 
          >> OKAY. THANKS. 
          >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY? 
          >> YES, SIR. I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE PLAN FOR STAFFING AS WE LOOK TO BUILD STATION 347. 
          JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TWINS THAT RETIREMENT, IF WE WERE ADDING YEAR OVER YEAR FROM 189 TO GO TO 195 ARE WE STARTING TO PLAN AND TRAIN AND ADD FIREFIGHTERS TO BE PREPARED FOR THE STATION YET? OR IS THAT GOING TO BE IN NEXT 
          YEAR'S FUND BUDGET? >> NO THE PLAN WAS TO HIRE TWO LATERAL OR NEW HIRES IN JANUARY OF 2028, SO THE STATION COULD OPEN JULY, AUGUST. THANK YOU. 
          >> AND THAT'S ASSUMING WE CAN KEEP ON TRACK WITH INSTRUCTION ETC., NO, WE WE ALREADY HAVE TWO, HAVE SIX MONTHS OF OVERLAP WHEN NEW FIREFIGHTERS IN TRAINING AND WE DON'T WANT TO 
          HAVE EXTENDED OVERLAP TRAN10. >> PRESENT SNYDER, QUICK FOLLOW UP. SO OVER TIME, YEAH, DON'T NEED AN ANSWER, BUT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GET WITH YOU, ZACK, TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL TREND IN OVERTIME SCHEDULED AND UNSCHEDULED AND KIND OF SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS YOU'RE HAVING ON HOW TO REDUCE OR CONTROL THOSE NUMBERS. 
          LATER. AND THEN SO FAR, JUST A QUICK QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED, BUT THERE'S A SHIFT IN HOURS AND SCHEDULING TO TRY TO INCREASE, I GUESS, MORALE FOR FAMILY LIFE. HAS THAT BEEN IMPLEMENTED? CAN WE GET ANY FEEDBACK ON KIND OF HOW IT'S WORKING FOR RETENTION, RECRUITMENT AND SO ON? 
          >> TALK ABOUT THE DEVICE THAT WEARING, TWO, ABOUT THAT STUDY OUT OF TEXAS, WHICH IS REALLY INTERESTING. 
          >> SO WE SWITCH TO THE -- SO WE WERE ON FOR 48 HOURS WE IMPLEMENTED THAT IN JULY OF THIS YEAR. 
          SO IT'S REALLY JUST A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. IT'S A TEMPORARY TRIAL THAT WE'RE DOING, FOR CONTENT. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT KIND OF WE -- SO WE ARE WEARING HOOP BANDS. 
          THOSE BANDS ARE SLEEP PATTERNS. TRACK YOU NAME IT. 
          BLOOD PRESSURES, ALL KINDS OF THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THAT DATA. WE'RE PART OF A LARGER STUDY WITH THIS BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT WITH HIS OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY DOWN IN TEXAS, I BELIEVE. 
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EAST TEXAS A&M. SO IT'S JUST IT'S LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING. 
          I THINK THE MAJORITY FROM OUR FIREFIGHTERS IS THEY LIKE TO. 
          BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THE PHYSIOLOGICAL DATA YET. 
          WE DID DO SOME WE DID SOME TESTING ABOUT THREE, TWO OR THREE MONTHS, AND WE KIND OF GOT SOME BASELINES. 
          SO WE WOULD BE COMPARING THAT DATA, TO THE 4896 SCHEDULE. 
          >> AND WITH THAT, YOU ALWAYS INTEND AN A B, AND C SHIFT. 
          IS THERE ANY THOUGHT ABOUT A D SHIFT? 
          >> THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS. IT'S EXPENSIVE. 
          AS WELL AS THOSE THINGS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, BUT IT IS WE'RE ADDING A WHOLE 'NOTHER SHIFT WHERE, UH, PEOPLE. 
          AND SO IT COULD BE UP TO 60 PEOPLE JUST FOR ADDITIONAL 
          SHIFTS. >> THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU I WANTED TO SAY HOW INTERESTING THAT DEVICE IS AND THE WORK THAT THAT'S JUST THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THAT IS AMAZING, AND I KNOW THAT EVEN WITH THE ARMY, THEY DID THE BETA TESTING FOR THE ARMY RANGERS, WHO WERE MAXING OUT. 
          SO THEY USED DATA PRIOR TO, AND THEY USED DATA AFTER WITH THE AURA, AND I THINK IT'S AMAZING THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THAT FOR THE IT'S GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          SO SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT DATA. 
          >> YOU AND ME BOTH. >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR PUBLIC 
          SAFETY? >> IS YOUR PLAN TO TAKE ANY BREAKS BETWEEN THESE GROUPS, OR WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? YOU WANT TO TAKE ONE BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS, BREAK TWO GROUPS? 
          >> WELL, THAT TOOK A LOT LONGER THAN I ANTICIPATED, BUT. 
          >> THE BIGGEST APARTMENTS. >> SO WHAT'S THE NEXT -- 
          >> THE NEXT GROUP WOULD BE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND COOPERATION COUNCIL, HR AND I.T. 
          >> THE NEXT BIG ONE? >> THAT'S NUMBER FOUR. 
          >> WE DO ENGINEERING IN STREETS NEXT. 
          IS THAT OKAY WITH -- SO LET'S TAKE A LITTLE BREAK. 
          GIVE THEM TIME. WE WANT TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE HEADS UP TO THINK ABOUT THINGS. THAT WAY WE GET THE TWO LARGEST CHUNKS OUT OF THE WAY. THAT THAT WOR 
          >> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL RECONVENE. WE'RE GOING TO START BACK UP WITH STREET DEPARTMENT AND ENGINEERING. 
          ZACK, DO YOU WANT TO TEE US UP? >> SURE. 
          SO THESE ARE THE TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE FUNDED FROM THE MOTOR VEHICLE HIGHWAY ACCOUNT. IT WAS POINTED OUT IN SOME OF OUR INFORMATION CLARIFIED THAT STREET DEPARTMENT BUDGET LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THIS TIME AS WE HAVE MERGED TWO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THAT WE APPROPRIATED FOR INTO THE STREET DEPARTMENT. SO 1205 AT ONE POINT, I THINK REFERRED TO AS THE ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT. 
          WE WERE USING IT MORE AS THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT FOR CITY HALL AND SOME OTHER FACILITIES. THAT'S BEEN MERGED INTO THE STREET DEPARTMENT APPROPRIATION AND SO HAS 1206, WHICH WAS THE SEPARATE STREET DEPARTMENT APPROPRIATION, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY REFERRED TO AS CITY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. 
          SO IN THIS BUDGET, YOU'LL SEE THAT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE ARE TWO DEPARTMENTS MISSING IN ESSENTIALLY, IT'S BECAUSE WE'VE MERGED THOSE INTO STREET DEPARTMENT. 
          >> OKAY, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE ARE TWO POSITIONS FOR STORM WATER INSPECTORS. IS THAT GOING TO BE ENOUGH? CAN SOMEBODY KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE POSITIONS WILL DO? 
          >> WE WILL HAVE MATT. THESE ARE TO DO WITH MORE PREVENTATIVE SCOPE -- AND SUPPORT. 
          LET'S BRING HIM UP HERE FOR YOU. >> THE OTHER QUESTION IS ON , 
          SORRY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          EXCUSE ME. THE TWO INSPECTOR POSITIONS FOR STORM WATER. TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY AS YOU'LL SEE IN OUR BUDGET. OUT OF THE STORM WATER FUND AND. 
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WE'RE GOING TO BE PURCHASING ANOTHER SINGLE AXLE TRUCK. 
          A NEW CAMERA VAN AND CAMERA SYSTEM. 
          SO THAT WE CAN HAVE DEDICATED TEAM MEMBERS DOING THAT PROBABLY 80% 90% OF THE YEAR TO INSPECT THE WHOLE STORM WATER SYSTEM. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> SORRY. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> SO THEY'RE SPENDING ALL THEIR TIME -- WHO'S THEN CLEARING OUT OBSTACLES AND GETTING THEM OUT AND -- DETERMINING WHETHER THEY NEED TO BE -- 
          >> SO WITHIN OUR -- IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, WITHIN OUR CURRENT SYSTEM WE HAVE FIVE DIVISIONS. FLEET FACILITIES. 
          STREETS. LANDSCAPING AND ADMIN. 
          IN THE SREETS DIVISION, CURRENTLY IS OUR STORMWATER TEAM WE HAVE A STORMWATER FORM AND A WHOLE CREW AND THAT IS 95% OF THE WORKLOAD FOR THE YEAR IS STORMWATER CLEANING AND REPAIRS. 
          BUT TO REALISTICALLY, WITH THE EXTRA JET VAC TRUCK AND CAMERA VENT, I THINK TWO MEN SHOULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE THAT AND START TO MAKE PROGRESS AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO THAT INSPECTION WITHOUT THE EQUIPMENT OR THE PEOPLE BEING PULLED OFF TO GO 
          WORK ON OTHER PROJECTS. >> JUST BY THE INHERENT FUNCTION OF SEEING OR INSPECTING WEIGH, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND MORE. 
          I DON'T SEE THAT REFLECTED IN MAINTENANCE BUDGET. 
          THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TO IMPROVE, MORE TO REPAIR THE MORE 
          YOU FIND. >> THAT IS POTENTIALLY TRUE. 
          AND IT HELPS THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY WITHIN OUR TEAM, IF WE HAVE A BIGGER PROJECT THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY STAFF TO GO AND HELP MAKE REPAIRS OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. 
          >> OKAY. FOLLOW UP MORE FOR BRAD. 
          THE INSPECTORS, THOUGH. M.S. 
          FOR WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S A HOUSE ABOUT FOUR HOUSES DOWN FROM HENRY THAT'S GOT A GIANT MOUND OF DIRT WITH NO ROSE CONTROL AND COMPLETELY OUT OF COMPLIANCE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S EVERYWHERE. SO HOW ARE YOU WITH JUST A FEW MISS FOR INSPECTORS PROTECTING OUR SEWERS FROM RUNOFF, AND I MEAN YOU AND I DID A MODELING WE WOULD FIND DOZENS OF VIOLATIONS. 
          IT'S NOT BECAUSE YOUR GUYS AREN'T GREAT. 
          THEY ARE. BUT THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PROJECTS AND A LOT OF CITY, AND THERE'S NOT ABLE TO CATCH IT 
          ALL. >> YEAH, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE FOCUSING THEIR TIME ON THE HIGHEST PRIORITY OR THE MOST EGREGIOUS VIOLATIONS. BUT SEND ME A LIST OF THOSE WE 
          CAN TRACK THOSE DOWN. >> I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE 
          DOING IT. >> WELL, WE OBVIOUSLY RESPOND TO 
          EVERYTHING THAT'S REPORTED. >> DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE 
          INSPECTING STORMWATER POLLUTION? >> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT ASPECTS WE HAVE STORMWATER IN INSPECTOR THAT FOCUSES ON THAT, AND A COUPLE OTHER INSPECTORS THAT SHARE ROYALS IN THAT REGARD AS MONITORING DEVELOPMENT SITES. JUST THE INSPECTOR WHO'S KEEPING ON TOP OF THE VIOLATIONS, LIKE YOU WERE MENTIONING. 
          SO FROM THAT ASPECT, I THINK WE'RE OKAY. 
          AND IN COMBINATION WITH THE NEW STORMWATER INSPECTORS M.S. 
          DEPARTMENT, AS PART OF THAT PART OF HIS TEAM, FORMING A GROUP 
          TOGETHER. >> SO -- WORKING WITH THE INSPECTORS, BE ABLE TO ISSUE DISCHARGE FINES? WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY CORRECT BEHAVIOR? 
          >> THEY PROBABLY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE THE MAIN ROLE OF THEIR JOB. THEY WOULD PROBABLY COMMUNICATE WITH MY INSPECTOR AS FAR AS LOGISTICALLY, YOU WOULD BE THE 
          ONE TO ISSUE VIOLATIONS. >> THANKS. 
          >> SO THEY WOULD BE THE EYES AND THE EARS. 
          WOULD PROBABLY FALL TO MY INSPECTOR, WHO'S TRAINED IN THAT 
          KIND OF STUFF. >> I THINK ALSO THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF JOBS WE'D LIKE TO ADD WE JUST WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE REVENUE TO DO IT FOR. THE MAJOR TALKING POINT ACROSS AMERICA RIGHT NOW BEING AFFORDABILITY. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE HOW WE MAINTAIN OR IMPROVE OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE EVERYWHERE THIS YEAR AS YOU'VE NOTED IN OUR BUDGET PRESENTATIONS, WE'RE ADDING A CODE INSPECTOR, WHICH I'VE PUT ON HOLD SINCE 2024, AND NOW THE BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT I PUT ON HOLD AS WELL. SO WE SEE WHERE WE CAN GROW THE STORMWATER PROGRAM AND ALSO POTENTIALLY BREAK IT OUT AS SOME SEPARATE DEPARTMENT, BUT JUST NOT THIS YEAR. 
          SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE TACKLE WHEN WE ARE FORCED TO KIND OF RECONSIDER WHAT OUR OVERALL BUDGET IS GOING TO BE COME WITH VERSUS PROPERTY TAX, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GRADUALLY MOVE UP, AND SO TO MAKE A MAJOR HIT WHERE WE HAVE TO INCREASE FINES OR FEES. MORE THAN WE ALREADY HAD TO. 
          SO I FEEL YOUR ANGST. >> I THINK IT'S JUST ENFORCING. 
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IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER THING PER DAY. 
          SO AT ONE SIDE, THAT COULD BE $13,000 PER YEAR. 
          YOU'D DO THAT 10 TIMES, YOU PAY FOR THE INSPECTOR. 
          SO THERE'S NO COST TO THE CITY IF THEY'RE OUT THERE DOING THEIR JOB. BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE. 
          >> AND -- >> I FEEL LIKE FINES COULD PAY 
          FOR THE EMPLOYEE. >> WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          THERE'S BEEN NEW FEES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ORDINANCE ON THE DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. SO WE DO HAVE FEES COMING IN AS PART OF OUR BUDGET, AS THE MAYOR SAID, IT'S PROGRESSION ALL AT ONCE. SO IT'S KIND OF TAKING A STEP INTO THAT WORLD AND SEE WHERE WE GET. 
          BUILDING IT. MAYBE ONE STEP AT A TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE BEFORE YOU MOVE, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT AN INCREASE THAT I SAW IN THE ENGINEERING DUES AND ORGANIZATION MEMBER DUES. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE WENT FROM 2000 TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE 58,000 HERE? SO IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT, 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE. >> SO OUR MEMBERSHIP TO THE INDIANAPOLIS METROPOLITAN ORGANIZATION MPO WE HAVE TO PAY THAT. THAT'S THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT 58,000 -- I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S $55,000 OR SOMETHING. 
          THE OTHER DUES WOULD BE LIKE OUR LICENSES AND STUFF FOR ENGINEERS. IT'S PRETTY MINIMAL, BUT THAT USED TO BE IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET AND MORE. 
          BELONGS IN THE ENGINEERING BUDGET, AND SO IT'S BEEN MOVED UNDER THAT LINE ITEM. WE PAY INTO THAT PROGRAM. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN APPLY TO GRANTS FOR. 
          AND WE THEN GET OUR MONEY BACK, IF THEY SPLIT THE MONEY THAT 
          COMES TO THE STATE. >> SO IT'S KIND OF DESCRIBE THE MPO. IF THERE'S FIVE INTERSTATE, I 
          THINK -- >> YEAH, SO THE STATE SPLIT UP. 
          >> BUT IN ORDER TO GET THE FEDERAL DOLLARS, YOU HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO JOIN A GROUP OF PEOPLE, MOST OF WHICH DON'T LIKE CARAMEL, AND THEN THEY ALL GET TO SELECT WHERE THE FEDERAL% DOLLARS GO. SO WHEN CARAMEL HAS AWESOME PROJECTS AND GETS. IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE PROJECTS ARE AWESOME AND BRAD'S BEEN THE MAYOR. 
          I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT THINK WE MAKE MONEY, SO WE'RE NOT ENTITLED TO THE MATCHING DOLLARS FOR THE FEDERA GOVERNMENT, BUT GOOD. 
          DID I SUM THAT UP PRETTY WELL? YOU COULD JUST NOD. 
          [LAUGHTER] >> SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO STREETS AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT REPAVING A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO THE -- I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBER IS FOR 2027 OF REPAVING. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S IN 
          SEVERAL LOCATIONS. >> IT'S A TOTAL OF 8.5 MILLION, BUT SPREAD AMONGST MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LINES, LOCAL ROAD AND STREET MPH. THE WHEEL TAX AND SURTAX FUNDS. 
          >> OKAY. >> AND THE NEW LANE MILE DISTRIBUTION FUNDS THAT THE STATE JUST HAS TO CREATE. 
          >> SO THE ACTUAL LINE ITEMS THAT IF A CITIZEN WANTED TO LOOK AT OH, IT ACTUALLY WENT DOWN FROM 6.1 TO 3.4. 
          IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TOWARDS PAVING. 
          BUT THE GRAND TOTAL OF WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR PAVING IS 
          8.5 MILLION. >> SO THAT WAS JUST A POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. WE'RE GOING TO DO 8.5, EVEN THOUGH THE LINE ITEM SAYS 3.4. RIGHT? SO MATH, THE -- AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I'M GOING TO ASK THIS NEXT QUESTION. BUT THE STREET DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN KNOWN IN CARMEL FOR PROVIDING SUPERIOR SERVICE, STREETS ARE PRISTINE. SOMEONE CAN MAKE A COMPLAINT AND IT SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE IT'S DONE THE SAME DAY. 
          AND WHAT I'M NOTICING IS, AND I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT. 
          I KNOW THE MAYOR, YEAR FOR EFFICIENCY. 
          AND I GET ALL THAT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT THE STREET DEPARTMENT, ANOTHER -- WHAT IS IT? YOU'RE GROWING YOUR BUDGET TO ALMOST $29 MILLION. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR HEADCOUNT IS. 
          BUT THAT'S A BIG BUDGET. THAT'S A BIG DEPARTMENT. 
          IT ALMOST FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, MAYBE. IS THAT WHERE WE'RE HEADING? YOU'RE TAKING ON SO MUCH MORE, IT MUST BE IN THE NAME OF EFFICIENCY I GET THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE HAVE THE ISSUE ABOUT OVERTIME FOR THE STREET DEPARTMENT AND HOW THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT IN WAYS. 
          THAT KIND OF INCOME, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GETTING OUT OVER OUR SKIS. I KNOW NOTHING. 
          I'M NOT THE EXECUTIVE. I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION 
          WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. >> I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION, RIGHT? SO MY TEAM TAKES PRIDE IN THEMSELVES IN RESPONSIVENESS, IN WHAT THEY TAKE CARE OF I PROBABLY FAILED THEM FROM A CHAMPION STANDPOINT OF CHAMPIONING THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WE DO RIGHT? BECAUSE REALISTICALLY, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE TAKING ON SO MUCH 
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THERE IS SOME. RIGHT? BUT BY BRINGING THE GARAGE STUFF IN, FACILITY STUFF IN, IT'S MORE ABOUT MORE VERTICAL ORGANIZATION AND MAKING SURE WE'RE GETTING ALL THE DATA AND THE INFORMATION TO HAVE AND MAKE THESE RIGHT DECISIONS SO THAT EVERYBODY'S OPERATING IN THE SAME SYSTEMS. I TOLD ZACH AND THE MAYOR, AND YOU PROBABLY SEE IT IN MY BUDGET THERE IS OVERTIME THIS YEAR. 
          THERE'S QUITE A BIT. THE WE HAVE TRIED TO REALLY MANAGE AND DO THAT. 
          RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT I BELIEVE 67 FTE'S. 
          IF WE FILL THOSE TWO STORMWATER INSPECTOR POSITIONS WITH THE FACILITIES TEAM. AND THE GARAGE TEAM, WE SHOULD BE AROUND, I BELIEVE 79 NEXT YEAR. 
          BUT, THIS GIVES FLEXIBILITY FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. 
          RIGHT? THE OPEN MECHANIC POSITION THAT WE JUST FILLED, THAT IS STARTING OCTOBER 12TH, I BELIEVE. 
          SO...  EVERYTHING WILL BE FULL GOING IN TO 27, AND WE WILL HAVE THESE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS ON THERE. 
          IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO CREATE EFFICIENCIES THROUGH COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. RIGHT? IF A FACILITIES PERSON HERE AT CITY HALL WANTS TO TAKE A WEEK FOR VACATION, WE HAVE AVAILABILITIES TO BACKFILL THAT WITHOUT ANY LAPS IN SERVICE. SO I THINK YOU WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THE SAME RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC, AND MAYBE EVEN BETTER EFFICIENCIES BECAUSE WE WILL BE ABLE TO BACKFILL PEOPLE WHEN THEY WANT TO TAKE A VACATION OR SOME TIME OFF. 
          >> AND YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED SINCE I HAVE BEEN AROUND, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ESTABLISHING A MANAGEMENT TEAM AND AN ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE TO HELP MANAGE THAT. 
          WHICH YOU GIVE ME 2 MINUTES ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? IF YOU CANNOT DO IT IN 2 MINUTES, I WILL MEET WITH YOU SEPARATELY. BUT, HOW MANY MANAGERS DO YOU HAVE? AND HOW WILL THE DEPARTMENT BE 
          DIVIDED UP, NOW? >> BASICALLY, WE HAVE A LOT ON OUR PLATE, RATE? SO, I CANNOT, I CANNOT BE EVERYWHERE AND HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, RIGHT? THOSE DIVISIONS I TALKED ABOUT, THOSE SENIOR MANAGERS THAT LEAD EACH POSITION, UNDER THEM WOULD BE THE FOREMAN. 
          AND CREW LEADERS OR LABORERS. WHATEVER THEIR TITLE. 
          THE GARAGE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, AS WE GO INTO THAT WHAT WE WILL LIKELY DO IS HAVE A LEAD TECHNICIAN, UNTIL HR GIVES ME A BETTER TITLE. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE CALLING IT. 
          WE WILL HAVE A LEAD TECH FOR EACH SIDE. 
          FOR POLICE THERE WILL BE A LEAD TECH THAT KIND OF OVERSEAS THAT PART OF THE GARAGE, STREETS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          HEAVY EQUIPMENT STUFF. ON OUR SIDE THERE WILL BE A LEAD TECH THAT MANAGES THAT. A FLEET MANAGER. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE-- THE GOAL IS TO, WITH ONE OF THE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS COMING OVER, THEY WILL ACCESS THE SCHEDULE WORK FOR THE P.M.'S, GETTING DAILY REPORTS ON WHAT VEHICLES ARE COMING UP, AND ARE SCHEDULED FOR REGULAR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE. 
          SHE WILL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO THE DRIVERS ARE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE THE VEHICLES TO GET IT IN AND GET IT BACK ON THE ROAD. RIGHT? THE BIG THING WITH THE FLEET IS DOWNTIME. 
          SO IT IS ABOUT TURNAROUND AND GETTING THAT IRONED OUT. 
          WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING IN-HOUSE A ONE SOURCE OF PROCUREMENT PACK AND THEY WOULD PROVIDE AN EMPLOYEE THAT WOULD BE ON OUR GROUNDS, AND WOULD PROVIDE ALL OF THE MATERIAL SO WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE SURPLUS OF STOCK JUST STANDING AROUND. 
          FISHER'S DOES THIS, AND THEY HAVE HAD GOOD LUCK WITH IT. 
          THEY MAKE FIVE DELIVERIES A DAY, OVERNIGHT DELIVERIES IF NEEDED. 
          WE ARE GETTING IT IN THE MOTION. AND WE WORK TO THOSE 
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EFFICIENCIES. TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT MATT WAS COMMENTING ON, INSPECTIONS, RIGHT? WHEN WE GET COMPLACENT IS WHEN THINGS GO SOUTH. 
          SO WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN USE THIS TECHNOLOGY. 
          WE HAVE SOME CAMERA TECHNOLOGY COMING THAT WOULD BE ON AN IPHONE, THAT WOULD SCAN ASSETS AND PROVIDE DATA. 
          IN THAT IF WE ESTABLISH THROUGH OUR GEO TAB STUFF, OUR TELEMATICS, WE CAN ESTABLISH ROUTING. 
          SO, THEN, AS OPPOSED TO WAITING FOR A REPORT OF VIOLATION, IF THEY DROVE OR HAD THEIR OWN ROUTES THEY COMPLETED IN A TIMELY MANNER IT COULD POTENTIALLY PICK UP THOSE VIOLATIONS AND FLAG THEM IN REALTIME SO THEY COULD BE FOLLOWED UP ON, WHICH WOULD POTENTIALLY REDUCE STAFFING. 
          >> THE LAST COMMENT I WILL MAKE IS WHEN I AM OUT AND ABOUT, AND YOUR TEAM MEMBERS ARE SETTING UP FOR A FESTIVAL, OR FIXING A PROBLEM WITH THE ROAD, PUTTING BRICKS IN TO THE SIDEWALK, WATERING THE FLOWERS, THE THING I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, AND THIS GOES TO THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR COMMUNITY, THEY ARE HAPPY. 
          FACING HAPPY, AND GREAT AMBASSADORS FOR THE-- THEY SEEM HAPPY. AND GREAT AMBASSADORS FOR THE CITY. I WANT TO COMMEND ALL OF YOU FOR THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, EVERYBODY SEEMS HAPPY OUT THERE. BUT I RUN IN TO YOUR PEOPLE QUITE A BIT. IN THE RED TRUCKS. 
          AND THEY ARE JUST HAPPY TO DO ANYTHING. 
          AND IT IS REFRESHING. SO, THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNCILLOR STEINER? >> MAY I ASK AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT-- MAKE AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE, ONE, I WANT TO GIVE MATT CREDIT, AND HIS TEAM. BUT THIS IS A MULTI-YEAR PROCESS THAT HE HAS HAD IN PLAY. BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT WAS 22 OR 23, A STUDY WAS DONE ON BAKERSFIELD, AND HOW THE SETUP OF THIS DEPARTMENT COULD OR SHOULD BE, AND HOW IT EXISTS IN AND THEY WORKED HARD AS A TEAM ORGANIZING PROCESSES, EQUIPMENT, LAYOUT. IDENTIFYING THE RIGHT PEOPLE, INVESTING IN THEM. DIRECTING CONVERSATIONS TO STAFF ABOUT PERFORMANCE, AND ALSO TALKING-- USING DATA TO MAKE DECISIONS AND ALSO TO EDUCATE TEAM MEMBERS. 
          SO YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THAT. 
          AND I AM EVER SO THANKFUL THAT HE IS DIGGING UP THE DATA. 
          AND MATT IS BUILDING A DATA COMPETENCY WITHIN HIS DEPARTMENT THAT HAS NOT BEEN THERE BEFORE. SO I THINK THAT UNDERLIES A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IN MANY DEPARTMENTS. 
          NONE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE PERFECT. 
          WE GO BACK TO ALL THE THINGS, WE HAVE A LONG LIST OF THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO DO MORE OF. I WOULD LIKE OR DATA TO GUIDE OUR DEPARTMENTS, AND WE CAN'T DO THAT PARTS OF THE DIRECTORS OFTEN HAVE TO BE THE DATA ANALYSIS, THE ONES AT I.T. 
          SO I LOVE THAT WE ARE BUILDING THE COMPETENCY IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS. AND I GIVE HIM KUDOS FOR THAT. 
          >> YOU REMIND ME. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL REMEMBER THIS, BUT YOU AND I WERE IN TOGETHER. 
          WE WHERE THE TEAM MEMBERS WHO WERE REVIEWING STREET DEPARTMENT PROBABLY FIVE YEARS AGO, OR WHATEVER IT WAS. 
          AND WE BOTH MATCHED-- THOUGHT THAT MATT WAS THE RIGHT PERSON TO LEAD THIS, AND IF WE GIVE HIM THE TOOLS HE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND I THINK THAT YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT STEINER. 
          MAYOR, MATT, BRAD, LANE, I KNOW THE BLACK HAWK HELICOPTERS GOT A LOT OF THE PRESS RELATED TO THE FLOOD EFFORTS OF PROTECTING, NOT ONLY TWO WELLS, BUT OUR MAIN DURING THE SCOURING OF THE CREEK. GOING OUT THERE AND SEEING THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DID ON THE OPERATION BEAVERDAM, THE DAM OUT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. THIS LEADS TO A QUESTION-- BUT I AM SO PROUD. I TRAVEL THE STATE OF INDIANA, AND I GET QUESTIONS, HOW DID YOU GUYS ACCOMPLISH THAT?% HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO DO THIS. AND JUST PROUD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH ALL OF YOU. SO, YOU AND YOUR TEAM, GREAT WORK. I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE REALIZE HOW CLOSE WE WERE TO LOSING OUR FOREST MAIN THERE AND THE EFFORTS YOU GUYS TOOK TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          SO THE QUESTION GOES TO-- OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO SUPPORT YOUR TEAM. I AM ASSUMING THERE IS A LOT OF OVERTIME, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK. 
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EVEN STILL, WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE, MAYOR, THERE WAS AROUND THE CLOCK TRUCKS COMING OUT, AND EQUIPMENT BEING RUN. 
          SO I AM ASSUMING THAT THERE WILL NEED TO BE AN ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF THIS YEAR TO HELP SUPPORT YOU IN YOUR EFFORTS, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF FEDERAL DOLLARS WE GET. 
          HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN ABLE TO WORK THROUGH WHAT THAT APPROPRIATION MAYBE, AND THE REASON WHY I ASK THIS-- IF THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION, AND IT TAKES AWAY FROM OUR CASH BALANCES FOR NEXT YEAR, ARE WE STILL GOING TO BE COMPETENT-- COMPETENT IN HITTING THAT 5% CASH BALANCE? 
          >> I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME-- I THINK THAT IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO SAY IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR ADDITIONAL CASH FLOW NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE FOR SOME OF THIS RELIEF. 
          WE WILL HAVE DOLLARS COMING IN FROM INSURANCE. 
          WE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE DOLLARS COMING IN FROM FEMA. 
          AND, TO AND EXTENT WE HAVE THE NEW PUBLIC INSURANCE-- PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE INSURANCE RECOVERY FUND. 
          WHICH COULD BE USED TO FRONT SOME OF THOSE. 
          AND MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT HOW THAT WAS CREATED INTENTIONALL THINKING ABOUT INSURANCE IN MIND. 
          I THINK FEMA REIMBURSEMENT IS PROBABLY IN THE SAME SPIRIT. 
          BUT NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. BUT I THINK, FOR NOW AT LEAST, I THINK WE ARE ABLE TO ABSORB, BUT WE MAY NEED TO COME FORWARD IN THE FUTURE AND ASK FOR MORE FUNDING. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT RIGHT NOW IS THE TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP BEFORE 
          ME. >> I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN TO ME THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE, AND INCREASED WORKING 
          HOURS BY 30%? >> SO, REALISTICALLY WE HAVE TRIED, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIVISIONS AND GETTING THINGS SET UP WITH THE RIGHT PROGRAMS AND THE RIGHT FUNDS-- AND ZACH CAN CORRECT ME IF I MISSPEAK. THERE IS A POTENTIAL. 
          BUT, WHEN-- I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU GUYS ARE MEMBER, REFINANCE THE STORMWATER BONDS, IT FREED UP SOME CASH AND IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ACCESSIBLE FOR US TO BUDGET FOR. 
          RIGHT? 838,500 OUT OF THE STORMWATER FUND IS GOING TO E'S PAYMENTS FOR ANOTHER VAC SWEEPER, A SINGLE ACTION-- SINGLE AXLE TRUCK, A CAMERAMAN, ROUGHLY 125,000 STORM WATER PIPE SUPPLIES, AND THEN WE BUDGETED 280,000 AND CONTRACTED SERVICES-- IN CONTRACTED SERVICES, WHICH COULD BE-- DEPENDING ON-- MY TEAM CAN DO A LOT, AND THEY ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE THAN MOST. 
          BUT SOMETIMES, BECAUSE OF THE NECESSITY OR THE SITUATION WE WILL CONTRACT STUFF OUT. WHETHER IT'S PIPEWORK ON 116TH STREET, OR UNIVERSITY, WHERE WE CONTRACT THAT OUT JUST BECAUS OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, IT WAS GOING TO TIE UP TOO MUCH OF OUR TEAM. BUT, REALLY, EVERY DAY THAT CREW SPENDS-- I THINK, COUNTING THE FOREMAN, THERE ARE SIX IN THAT CREW. EVERY DAY IS STORMWATER STUFF. 
          WHETHER IT IS SUMP LINE COMPLAINTS, SINK HOLES. 
          THAT IS ALL THAT THEY DO. SO, THAT WHOLE PROGRAM IS, I THINK-- TO COUNCILLOR SCHNEIDER'S POINT, AS WE GET THE ABILITY TO INSPECT AND HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO MORE INSPECTIONS AND MORE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, WE START TO IDENTIFY THE LONG-TERM CAPITAL NEEDS AND WHERE THOSE LIVE. 
          RIGHT? SO IT BETTER PREPARES US TO HAVE 
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THE RIGHT INFORMATION AND DATA IN THE PLANS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT THAT IS IT IN A NUTSHELL. >> KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON NOT, I WAS WATCHING YOUR VIDEO PRESENTATION, BRAD. 
          PRETTY SHARP. BUT, IN IT YOU SAID, FISCAL YEAR '26, 973,000, AS FAR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SPEND. 
          27 IS 2.4 MILLION? >> TO FOLLOW-UP ON NOT, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION ABOUT A 30% INCREASE. 
          IT'S REALLY A 100% INCREASE FOR YOU. 
          YOU NEVER GET STORMWATER MONEY UNLESS ENGINEERING GIVES IT TO YOU. SO WHATEVER DOLLAR MOUNTED IS AS GOOD. I LOVE THAT. 
          AND WE DID THIS HUGE BOND REFINANCE THAT ELIMINATED A BUNCH OF DEBT PAYMENTS FOR STORMWATER. 
          WHICH FREED UP MONEY THAT WE ARE NO LONGER PAYING TOWARDS DEBT. 
          AND THAT IS NOW ABLE TO BE USED TOWARD STORMWATER THINGS. 
          EARLIER THIS YEAR I ADVOCATED FOR TAKING CARE OF LARGER PROJECTS. BUT THE DECISION WAS MADE TO DO IT, AND I THINK THIS IS RESPONSIBLE, INVEST IN MACHINES AND EQUIPMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT 30% IS, BUT WERE BUYING ALL NEW STUFF, HIRING TWO NEW PEOPLE. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE USING IT WISELY, AND IT IS ABOUT A 400% 
          INCREASE. >> COUNCILLOR GREEN, THEY 2.3, THE WAY THAT FUNDING WORKS IS THAT IT COLLECTS AND COMES BACK AND IT COLLECTS AND IT COMES BACK. 
          SO IF WE DON'T SPEND SOME-- WE CAN GET A HUGE JUMP ON THE STORMWATER. THE BUDGETS CAN FLUCTUATE, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH WE USE. IF WE GET $2 MILLION IN REVENUE, BUT I DON'T SPEND ANY OF IT, IF I SPEND ALL 4 MILLION CAP NEXT YEARS BACK TO TWO. WE DID NOT DO SOME PROJECTS AND NOW WE HAVE A LARGER NUMBER THAN LAST YEAR. 
          THAT'S WHY IT WENT FROM 300,000 OR SOMETHING TO 200. 
          AND TO COUNCILLOR SCHNEIDER, SOME OF THE STORMWATER ACTIVITY WAS LABOR BUDGETS, TRYING TO MORE APPROPRIATELY LINE THOSE UP FOR THIS TEAM-- STORMWATER TEAM WE ARE BUILDING. 
          SO MAYBE IT IS A 100% CHANGE IN THE BUDGET. 
          >> I THINK THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT ONE WHEN IT WAS PUT IN, A 
          30% INCREASE-- SORRY. >> I THINK THE 30% INCREASE WHEN IT WAS PUT IN THEIR, IT WAS REFERENCING AN INCREASE AND IT SPENT TIME DOING TYPE INSPECTIONS BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE ARE NOT-- WE ARE TYPICALLY ONLY INSPECTING WHEN THERE IS A PROBLEM. WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE PHASE YET OF GOING IN AND ADDRESSING 
          THE SYSTEM. >> WITH TWO NEW EMPLOYEES IN A BRAND-NEW VIDEO TRUCK I HOPE IT'S MORE THAN 30%. 
          >> SHOULD BE EASY TO GET TO THEN, RIGHT? 
          BETTER TO BE 31 THEN 29. >> I THINK THAT MATT HIT ON THIS BEFORE. WE DID NOT HAVE A DEDICATED CREW. SO THAT IS THE BIG SHIFT. 
          SAYING THIS IS THE ONLY THING THIS CREW IS GOING TO DO. 
          IF WE HAD SOMEONE WORKING 70% OF LOGGED HOURS DOING STORMWATER STUFF, THAT'S 100% CLOSURE. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF 
          WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO GO. >> COUNCILOR, YOU ARE ADDING MORE PEOPLE. THAT MATH DOES NOT WORK. 
          BUT IT'S NOT 30%. IT'S A COUPLE HUNDRED%. 
          >> RATE. WE WILL TAKE IT. 
          BUT THE PEOPLE WERE THERE-- GREAT, WE WILL TAKE IT. 
          BUT THE PEOPLE WERE THERE. THEY WERE JUST NOT CALLED STORMWATER INSPECTOR. NOW YOU ARE CALLED A STORMWATER INSPECTOR. THIS IS ALL THAT YOU ARE DOING. 
          AND IT WILL BE 500% MORE EFFECTIVE, WHATEVER, THAT'S WHAT WERE GOING FOR. AS MATT SAID, IT'S TO GO FROM REACTIVE TO PREVENTATIVE. WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE THOSE 
          STEPS TOWARDS THAT. >> A COUPLE OF THE THINGS, I WAS REALLY INTO THE VIDEOS. A GREAT JOB ON THE VIDEOS. 
          BUT THE 30% WAS IN YOUR VIDEO, MATT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, SPECIFICALLY. BUT YOU ALSO BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT I NOTICED AND OTHERS, YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX HAS 
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          INCREASED TEN POINTS? >> THAT IS OUR GOAL. 
          WE WERE ON TRACK TO INCREASE IT BY TEN POINTS IN TEN YEARS. 
          AND WE ARE STILL ON TARGET FOR THAT. 
          >> WHAT IS THE IMPACT, IN MY KIND OF-- ALL RIGHT, STREETSIDE TO BE 45, AND NOW YOU'RE LOWERING IT TO 35? THAT'S PROBABLY THE REVERSE OF WHAT I JUST SAID. 
          THE CONDITION HAD 35 POINTS ON THE INDEX AND WE ARE RAISING IT TO 45 SO WE CAN BE MORE PROACTIVE IN PAVING THE ROADS EARLIER RATHER THAN LATER? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS 
          OVERSIMPLIFYING. >> THE OVERALL GOAL IS TO INCREASE THE WHOLE NETWORK ON AVERAGE. 
          WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 1440 LANE MILES OF ROADWAY. 
          THEY HAVE COMPLETED THIS YEARS SCANS. 
          AND HOPEFULLY WE GET THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          AND IN THAT, WE ARE CONTINUING TO SEE THAT THE PROGRAM THAT WE BUILT, AND START TO ESTABLISH IS WORKING TO EXTEND THE LIFE. 
          PREVIOUSLY IT WAS OUR OWN-- OUR ONLY ATTACK WAS AN INFILL. 
          RIGHT? THAT IS THE MOST COSTLY METHOD TO USE. AND WE WERE NOT DOING ANY PREVENTATIVE. TO BE HONEST, WE WERE PROBABLY ABLE TO DO THAT FOR SO LONG BECAUSE ALL THE NEW BOULEVARDS AND WORK THAT WAS GETTING DONE. BUT SUSTAINING THAT WAS NEVER GOING TO WORK. AT SOME POINT, BECAUSE OF INFLATION, I COULD SEE WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY REALLY PLATEAU AND FIND A GOOD NUMBER. AND ONCE WE GET EVERYTHING. 
          THIS IS BARRING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOESN'T CHANGE THE ADA. BUT AS WE DO OUR PAVING PROGRAM, AND WE GO IN TO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND BRING EVERYTHING UP TO ADA COMPLIANCE, THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT COST AND ADDS A SIGNIFICANT COST TO THE PROGRAM ITSELF. 
          A LOT OF CONCRETE WORK. SO, AS WE CONTINUE WITH OUR METHODOLOGY, AS WE DO THOSE MANAGEMENT SECTIONS, EVERYTHING GETS BROUGHT IN TO COMPLIANCE IN THEORY. 
          NEXT TIME IT COMES AROUND FOR IF IT IS PAVING, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THAT ADDITIONAL CONCRETE WORK AND COST THE NEXT TIME AROUND. 
          BUT OVERALL THAT NUMBER SHOULD START TO DECREASE WHICH WOULD 
          ALLOWS FOR MORE PAVING. >> EXPLAINED THAT. 
          15 YEARS AGO A MILE OF SUBURBAN REPAVING-- 15 YEARS AGO SUBURBAN REPAVING IS 15 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS PER DAY. 
          I KNOW THAT BECAUSE EVERY INSTITUTE THAT STUDIES ON IT, AND I LOOKED BACK ON THE PROJECTS. 
          YOU CANNOT DISPUTE THAT. LOOK IT UP YOURSELF. 
          THE COST HAS DOUBLED. PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS NEVER INCREASED PAVING COST. EVERY YEAR, EVERY SINGLE PAVING YEAR YOU GOT LESS OF THE MONEY. NOW YOU HAVE $8 MILLION. 
          HISTORICALLY YOU HAD $2 MILLION. THAT DOESN'T BRIDGE THE GAP. 
          YEAR-OVER-YEAR. THAT $2 MILLION DOESN'T BRIDGE THE GAP OF A DECADE OF NEVER-- THAT A DECADE OF NEVER INCREASING DID. AND YOU TOLD ME YOURSELF THAT IT WOULD TAKE $20 MILLION OR FIVE CONSECUTIVE YEARS TO GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. SO WE CAN SAY ALL THESE THINGS AND WE CAN MEET THESE ARBITRARY METRICS. 
          BUT UNTIL PRIORITY SHIFT TO STREETS, WE ARE NEVER-- WE NEED TO BE HONEST ABOUT IT. BECAUSE IT'S ALL THE MAINTENANCE STUFF THAT YOU HAVE DONE AND IT HAS A LIFE AS WELL. 
          WE TALK ABOUT ROAD MAINTENANCE LIKE IT'S A FIXED. 
          IT IS NOT. IT HAS A LIMITED LIFE. 
          AND WE GOT INTO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE MEASURES NOW COINCIDING WITH STANDARD ROAD BREAKDOWN AND FAILURE THAT ANY ROAD HAS. BUT I FEEL LIKE WE ARE HITTING A WALL. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? DID YOU ADVOCATE FOR MORE THAN A $.5 MILLION IN ROAD REPAIR THIS 
          YEAR? >> NO. 
          >> OKAY. >> I THINK THAT IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT SAME TIME FRAME THAT WE REP-- TALKED ABOUT. THAT INCREASE DID NOT HAPPEN. 
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THE CITY WAS BUSTING AT THE SEAMS PUTTING IN BOULEVARDS AND REDOING ROUNDABOUTS AND ROADS. SO ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS BROUGHT NEW PAVING AND NEW MILES OF ASPHALT. 
          >> TEN-DAY EXPONENTIAL MULTIPLIER OF ABOUT TEN FOLD. 
          THERE WAS BRAND-NEW ROUNDABOUTS, NEW UTILITIES, REQUIREMENT SAYING THAT CONDUIT NEEDED TO BE RUN FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          ALL THINGS I AGREE WITH THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. 
          BUT IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES. BUILDING THE ROUNDABOUTS DOES NOT EQUATE TO THE SAME AMOUNT OF LANE MILES FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND MOST OF THEM ARE DONE BY A ORGANIZATION THAT WE DON'T GET MONEY FROM NOW. 
          >> TRUE. AND HAVING THE TRANSVERSE CRACKS ACROSS THE ROAD DOESN'T MEAN THE ROAD HAS FAILED EITHER. 
          BUT PEOPLE GET UPSET. SO IT'S ANOTHER THING WE HAVE TO 
          DEAL WITH. >> OR YOU ARE THE INSPECTOR MAKING SURE THAT SUBGRADE WAS COMPACTED WHEN YOU PAVE IT OVER. 
          >> HISTORICALLY, WHEN THEY WOULD COME IN AND DO THE FIRST PAVE THEY WOULD NOT BILL IT DOWN AND PUT IT BACK TO THE CURB. 
          PUT THE GUTTER ON IT. WHY? IT'S CHEAPER. SO IF WE CAN GET IN A SECTION THAT HAS NOT BEEN MAILED OUT AND REPAVED, WE TAKE IT OUT OF THE GUTTER LINE PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE. 
          WE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING TRANSVERSE CRACKING WITH SOME SUCCESS. IT'S NOT THAT THE ROAD IS A FAILURE, IT'S PEOPLE DON'T DON'T LIKE THE RIGHT ABILITY. 
          SOME OF OUR DATA THIS YEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE RIGHT ABILITY INFORMATION AND SCORES WITH IT. 
          BECAUSE AS I TOLD EVERYBODY IN THE INDUSTRY THAT IS SELLING ALL OF THESE THINGS, I CAN TAKE YOU ON SEVERAL ROADS THAT STRUCTURALLY ARE IN WORSE SHAPE, AND YOU WILL NEVER GET A COMPLAINT ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THE RIDE IS SMOOTH. 
          I CAN TAKE YOU TO DOZENS OF ROADS WHERE WE GET COMPLAINT AFTER COMPLAINT AFTER COMPLAINT, ABOUT OUR ROAD IS FAILING BECAUSE THE RIDE IS ROUGH. THAT DOES NOT EQUATE TO A FAILED ROAD. IT'S A ROUGH RIDE. 
          AND WE ARE ADDRESSING THIS. BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN COME IN AND MAKE REPAIRS AND IT'S GOING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT ROAD. SO, WE COME IN AND WE DO A MASSIVE PROJECT AND WE OVERLAY IT WITH LIQUID ROAD. 
          WE ARE EXTENDING THAT ROAD NETWORK OUT FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, REALISTICALLY, BEFORE IT NEEDS TO BE REPAVED. 
          SO THAT MANAGEMENT SECTION COULD POTENTIALLY BE REPAVED IN SAY THREE YEARS. I COULD FIX THE RIGHT ABILITY, BUT IT'S GOING TO PUT YOUR PLAN OFF ANOTHER SEVEN. 
          >> LIQUID ROAD INTRODUCES POLYMERS BACK INTO THE ASPHALT. 
          THEY WILL DEGRADE OVER TIME. >> THAT'S A REJUVENATOR-- REJUVENATOR. LIQUID ROADS IS AN ASPHALT 
          SEALANT. >> IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          HE DID NOT ADVOCATE FOR MORE MONEY. 
          WE JUST HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. IF YOU DID NOT ADVOCATE FOR IT, 
          YOU DID NOT ADVOCATE FOR IT. >> AGAIN, WE WERE BUDGETING FOUR AND A HALF TO 5 MILLION A YEAR FOR MANY YEARS. 
          AND WE DOUBLED IT. >> THE COUNCIL WOULD DO A SUPPLEMENT, AN AVERAGE OF 6.1 MILLION OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          >> THAT'S OKAY. I'M WORRIED ABOUT TIME. 
          IT'S 3:45 P.M. >> I DO-- IF SOMEONE WATCHES THIS THEY WOULD HEAR $20 MILLION EVERY YEAR, TO GET THE ROADS TO 
          WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. >> TO RESURFACE EVERY ROAD. 
          >> BUT, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO WATCH THIS AND THINK THAT WE ARE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS BEHIND ON OUR ROAD WORK BECAUSE WHERE WE SHOULD BE-- NOTHING IS-- NOTHING IS IN FAILURE, AS FAR AS THE 
          STANDARD IN CARMO. >> THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. 
          >> WE HAVE HIGH STANDARDS. >> WE DO, BUT OUR AVERAGES LIKE A 60-- I THINK IT'S AROUND 66 ON THE PCI. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S DATA THAT WE KNOW DEFINITIVELY FOR SURE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SCANNED IN THE PROCESS. MOST COMMUNITIES ARE IN THIS SITUATION, WHICH IS GREAT. BUT IT'S OBJECTIVE TO THE PERSON AND THE INDIVIDUAL. HAVE THEY BEEN TRAINED, DO THEY 
          KNOW WHAT IT IS. >> WE ARE NOT ARGUING WITH YOU. 
          >> AM SAYING TO ME THE GOLDEN STANDARD. 
          >> YES. WE WILL JUST KEEP LOWERING OUR STANDARD PRIOR TO THIS ADMINISTRATION AND START MOVING THE RATING SO THAT NOW ARE NOT THAT FAR BEHIND. 
          THAT IS MY ARGUMENT. BUT THIS IS AN OPINION. 
          IF WE DID NOT ASK FOR MORE MONEY, WE DID NOT ASK FOR MORE 
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          MONEY. >> I WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE WORDING ON THAT. IF I DID NOT CARE ABOUT THE STANDARD, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE OPERATION WE HAVE IN PLACE. 
          OUR SCANDAL TELL US EVERY DISSECTION. 
          IF ALL I CARED ABOUT WAS THE RATING, WE WOULD SPEND THE ENTIRETY OF OUR EIGHT AND HALF MILLION DOLLARS STRICT PAVING 
          EVERY BAD SECTION. >> THAT SO WE DID. 
          THAT'S WHAT USED TO HAPPEN. THAT'S WHY WERE IN THIS. 
          BECAUSE WE COULDN'T JUST PAVE ANYTHING, IT LOOKED BAD. 
          BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BELIEVE IN THE TECHNIQUES. 
          BUT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T LIKE THE TECHNIQUES. 
          AND I DON'T BLAME THEM. THEY HAVE A HIGH STANDARD. 
          IN THEIR EYES THEY SEE MASTIC ALL OVER THE PLACE AND A CRACKED SEAL. POTHOLES IN AREAS. 
          THAT THEY HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE. AS IT GROWS IT'S JUST MORE MAINTENANCE OF ROADS. IT GIVES THE APPEARANCE THAT OUR ROADS ARE WORSE THAN THEY ARE. AND I'M NOT GOING TO-- THE CONDITION OF OUR ROADS WILL BE CLOSE-- CLOSE BUT DIFFERENT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING OUR COMMUNITY IS USED TO SEEING BLACK, SMOOTH PAVEMENT. AND THEY DON'T SEE THAT LIKE THEY USED TO. BECAUSE OF NEW TECHNIQUES TO SAVE MONEY. IF THEY WANT THE BLACK SMOOTH PAVEMENT, IT WOULD COST A LOT MORE THAN $5 MILLION. 
          >> I WANT TO SPECIFY SOMETHING. COLOR OF A ROAD, WE CAN PAVE EVERY STREET BLACK IF THAT'S WHAT MATTERS. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. 
          >> IT COMES DOWN TO RIGHT ABILITY. 
          AS BABB SAID. WHICH IS NOT AN INDICATOR ANYTHING ELSE FOR MATT OR BRAD. I WILL SAY, MATT,-- NOW HE IS GONE. THERE IS A POLICE CHIEF STUDY THAT SAID YOU NEED AN EX AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES. 
          YOU DO JUST AS MUCH WITHOUT 60 EMPLOYEES. 
          NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU GET BEAT UP OUT THERE, I WOULDN'T HAVE 
          ANYONE ELSE AT... >> WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE LARGEST APARTMENTS NOW. WE HAVE AN HOUR LEFT. 
          DO YOU WANT TO DO A FREE-FOR-ALL OR CONTINUE TO TRY TO. 
          >> WHO HAS MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT DEPARTMENTS? 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT BROOKSHIRE, AND ONE FOR HR. 
          AND THAT IS RUN THROUGH... >> LET'S DO HR. 
          M. >> EARLIER, COUNCILOR, YOU ASKED ABOUT AN INCREASE IN HR'S BUDGET. 
          >> I WAS JUST-- BUT MY QUESTION WAS WAS NOT ABOUT THE INCREASE. 
          IT'S A DIFFERENT NUMBER AND TWO DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          >> AND SO, AFTER HR FINISHED RECORDING THEIR PRESENTATION, WE WENT BACK AND ADDED 600,000 TO THEIR BUDGET. 
          AS WE ARE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. 
          >> SO WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE CHANGES TO INSURANCE, WE HAVE SOME DOLLARS IN THERE. 
          >> I WAS HOPING THAT WAS FOR LONG TERM. 
          THANK YOU. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. THIS IS A SIMPLE QUESTION. 
          AND SOMEBODY CAN ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD. 
          THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I DID NOT MEAN TO JUMP IN. 
          EXCUSE ME. I SAW THAT THIS WILL SEEM SILLY. 
          TUITION REIMBURSEMENT WENT UP 55% BACK FROM 40K TO 62K. 
          IS THERE A REASON, DO WE HAVE BUDGETING AND SCOPE? 
          >> THE CURRENT BUDGET WE ARE LIVING UNDERNEATH RIGHT NOW WAS A NEW APPROACH TO HOW WE BUDGET FOR TUITION REIMBURSEMENT. 
          PREVIOUSLY EVERY DEPARTMENT GUEST. 
          HOW MUCH THEY MIGHT NEED FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. 
          SO YOU WOULD HAVE I FORGET THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT IT WAS LOW HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS BEING BUDGETED. 
          HERE, THERE AND ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          BUT ACTUAL SPENDING ON TUITION REIMBURSEMENT, IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE CITY WAS A MUCH LOWER NUMBER. 
          WE CENTRALIZE IT TO WHATEVER THE HISTORIC CONTEXT WAS AND I HAVE 60,000 IN MY HEAD. WE DID NEED TO INCREASE IT. 
          AS THERE ARE PEOPLE-- THERE IS DEMAND FOR IT. 
          BUT WE ARE STILL NOT-- WE ARE NOT WASTEFULLY APPROPRIATING 
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DOLLARS ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT WE WON'T EVER NEED. 
          >> I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE JUMPED TO THAT AM NOT NUMBER TO THAT NUMBER. SO YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT THE $600,000. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTION. 
          >> I WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROVE. >> CAN YOU HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND FOR CONSTITUENT-- A CONSTITUENT THAT REACHED OUT TO ME, CHANGE.ORG? -- OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY, MAYOR, SO, I COULD NOT FIND ANYWHERE IN HERE IN MY REPORT THAT YOU SENT ME ABOUT IF SOMEBODY SIGNS UP TO DO THE 
          FOCUS GROUP AND WE PAY THEM... >> THAT PROGRAM IS 100% PAID. 
          >> I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION-- MAYBE NOT CONFUSION CATCHES AND, ARE WE PAYING PEOPLE TO COME TO 
          THIS? >> THEY ARE BEING COMPENSATED, BUT NOT THROUGH THE CITY OF CARMEL. 
          >> WHERE THEY BEING COMPENSATED AND DO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH CHANGE, OR IS THAT WHY I CANNOT FIND ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET? 
          >> IT WAS A PROGRAM THEY MADE AVAILABLE TO CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT WAS NEVER A SPECIFIC CONTRACT. THE AGREEMENTS-- THEY ARE WITH THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF CONTRACT. SO IT WAS IDEAS FOR CHANGE. 
          A NEW WAY OF GETTING FEEDBACK. FROM COMMUNITIES. 
          I HAD DONE IT SUCCESSFULLY IN BOSEMAN, KANSAS CITY, AND SOUTH CAROLINA. WE ARE 1 OF 3 OR FOUR CITIES THAT WE PARTNERED WITH TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND THIS WAS A PROGRAM WE HAD PUSHED-- I WANT TO SAY IN JUNE. 
          WHERE PEOPLE COULD GIVE IDEAS FOR FEEDBACK. 
          AND PEOPLE CAN GO ON THEIR SOCIAL PAGE AND VOTE UP OR DOWN AND ADD MORE IDEAS. I THINK THEY SEATED A DOZEN OR SO. AND WE GOT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ENGAGEMENTS ON THAT SITE. THEY HAVE TAKEN THE DATA AND-- KIND OF-- I WOULD SAY FOCUSED IT IN TOPICAL AREAS. 
          AND THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK. WE CAN'T DO THAT, WE CAN'T DO THAT THIS DAY, OR THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE DONE, THAT YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF AND RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF. 
          BECAUSE IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT IF THEY ARE UNFAMILIAR. THEY SYNTHESIZE THAT TO A FEW TOPICAL AREAS. AND WE ARE THEN RECRUITING FOR 100 PEOPLE TO GIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THESE IDEAS. 
          THOSE HUNDRED PEOPLE WERE CHOSEN SO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE GROUP-- A REPRESENTATIVE GROUP THAT IS DEMOGRAPHIC OF OUR CITY. 
          AND THEY ARE COUNTING FOR THAT. >> WE ARE NOT PAYING 
          CHANGE.ORG ANYTHING, CORRECT? >> WE ARE NOT PAYING CHANGE.ORG. WE ARE NOT PAYING RESIDENTS TO 
          PARTICIPATE IN IT. >> THEY WERE A LITTLE SKEPTICAL, SHOULD I DO THIS, SHOULD I DO THIS? SO, I KNEW, IT'S NOT A SECRET, I KNEW THERE WAS CHANGE TO WORK WITH. WITH THE HUNDRED DOLLAR PAYMENT. 
          I WENT I DON'T KNOW. LET ME FIND OUT. 
          >> WERE APPRECIATIVE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH THEM AND GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WITH THIS NEW PROGRAM THEY HAVE. THEY FELT LIKE SOMETIMES THE CHANGE WAS LARGELY PETITIONS. MAYBE THE LOUDEST VOICES, PERHAPS THOSE THAT ARE MORE QUIETER. 
          SO THIS IS A WAY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE UP VOTING. 
          AND WITH THIS REPRESENTATIVE GROUP THAT WOULD BE MORE NONPARTISAN, AND MORE ENGAGING OVERALL. 
          >> THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT CAME IN WAS WORDED ABOUT HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO HELP OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. 
          ARE YOU GETTING THEN THE RESULTS OF THESE? AND WOULD YOU BE ABLE OR WILLING TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL-- IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING INFORMATION. 
          >> I HAVE NOT SEEN THE RESULTS AT THIS POINT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATA IS WITH THE FLOOD. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS HAPPENED YET. 
          BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE. AND HAPPY TO SHARE WITH OUR COMMUNITY. I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. 
          THIS HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING PROJECT. 
          WE COULD HAVE HAD IT WIDE OPEN. BUT WE FELT IT MIGHT BE TOO MUCH OF A FREE-FOR-ALL. WE WANT TO FOCUS IN ON THE LOCAL BUSINESS, SINCE WE ARE SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES, MAIN STREET AND OTHERWISE PUT KANSAS CITY FOCUSES THERE IS ON GUN VIOLENCE. 
          SO THE QUESTION WAS, WE CHOSE THE LOCAL BUSINESS FOCUS AND THEY WILL BRING US BACK THE RESULTS IN A FORMAT THAT WE CAN 
          ALL CHEW ON. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT 
          CLARIFICATION. >> AND WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT ANY OF IT OR ALL OF IT. 
          I KNOW THE MAYOR OF SOUTH CAROLINA, THEY DID IT WIDE OPEN, AND THEIR FOCUS WAS LARGELY ON UNDERUTILIZED AND HIGHER CRIME 
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AREAS, THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANTED THE CITY TO FOCUS ON, AND THEY THOUGHT THE FEEDBAK WAS GREAT. 
          AND THEY ARE WORKING ON A STRATEGIC PLAN WITH THAT. 
          >> I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED IN WHAT OUR COMMUNITY THINKS, AND I WANT TO SAY YES, DO IT. IT WILL BE WORTH YOUR TIME AND 
          WE VALUE YOUR OPINIONS. >> AND OUR PROCESS HELPS US REFINE THEM FURTHER TO THE CITY. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE A BENEFIT TO BE AN EARLY PARTNER ON. 
          AND SINCE IT WAS NO COST TO TRY TO SEE THIS INTERESTING WAY OF ENGAGEMENT AND GETTING MORE FEEDBACK ABOUT LOCAL BUSINESSES, 
          WE FELT THIS WAY. >> IF THEY ASK YOU FOR ANY FEEDBACK, I HAVE FEEDBACK ON HOW THE EMAIL WAS WORDED. 
          IT MADE ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS UNCOMFORTABLE. 
          >> WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT. WE ALSO GAVE THEM FEEDBACK ON THE VOTING PROCESS. WE THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME IMPROVEMENTS IT COULD BE MADE THAT THEY CAN IMPLEMENT FOR THE NEXT TIME THEY DO IT WITH ANOTHER CITY. 
          >> AWESOME. NOW LET ME GET TO MY MAC QUESTIONS. WE ARE ON MAC, MR. PRESIDENT? NEW DIRECTORS. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE, OR WHAT IS GOING TO CHANGE. 
          JUST A COUPLE OF TOP LEVEL ARE WE STILL DOING A VIDEOGRAPHER AND-- VIDEOGRAPHER. THAT POSITION HAS BEEN REPLACED? 
          >> YES, THAT POSITION HAS BEEN FILLED. 
          SEAN HAS BEEN ON IT ABOUT SIX WEEKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          HE HAS BEEN GREAT. >> GREAT. 
          THE FESTIVAL AND COMMUNITY EVENTS DECREASES A LITTLE BIT, SO THERE MUST BE SOME PLAN THERE. 
          CAN I ASK WHAT THAT $23,000-- $23,740 DECREASE-- IS THAT ANY ONE SPECIFIC THING? OR EVERYBODY GETS 2% LESS. 
          >> UNLESS THAT HAS THAT, WILL HAVE AARON COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT. -- UNLESS ZACH HAS THAT ALL HAVE 
          AARON TALK ABOUT IT. >> THEN REALLY, CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THIS BUDGET WAS FAIRLY FLAT, AS I CAN TELL. 
          THERE WAS SOME INCREASES, BUT THEY WERE FAIRLY-- THEY WERE ALL EXPLAINABLE, FROM WHAT I COULD FIGURE OUT. 
          THAT WAS REALLY THE ONE THAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SURE THAT-- NO. I WANTED TO ASK AARON IF SHE IS OKAY WITH THIS. THERE IS A NEW EMPLOYEE BEING ADDED. A PART-TIME PERSON. 
          WHAT DOES THAT PERSON DO? WELCOME TO THE DAY IS. 
          >> OKAY., THANK YOU. HAPPY TO ANSWER. 
          FOR THE PART-TIME EMPLOYEE, I WILL ANSWER THAT FIRST PICK THAT'S AN AS NEEDED. BECAUSE THINGS HAPPEN WITH THE FENCE, AND JUST IN CASE. IT'S JUST IN CASE. 
          WE MAY NOT NEED THE PERSON. THAT'S ALL THAT IS. 
          FOR THE CUT IN THE 23,000, $23,740, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT REALLY CUTTING BACK ON EVENTS PER SE. 
          SO WHAT THAT IS IS FOR OKTOBERFEST FOR EXAMPLE, WE ARE JUST KIND OF REEVALUATING. WHAT WERE THINKING ABOUT AND WHAT WE PRESENTED IS PUTTING DOWN A...  AT THE MARKET, WE PROPOSE THE SUN WERE IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MAYBE WORKING WITH THEM NEXT YEAR. AND IF THEY WOULD WORK WITH US ON TAKING THAT OVER. SO WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE NEXT YEAR, COST NOT SURE. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE TOOK THAT OFF. BUT WE ARE ANTICIPATING IT HAPPENING, AND IF IT'S NOT THEM WORKING WITH ANOTHER ENTITY. 
          BUT IT HAS OUTGROWN THAT SPACE, SO WE WANT TO MOVE IT AND LOOK AT OTHER WAYS FOR THAT COST. SO WE TOOK THAT COST OFF AND 50TH ANNIVERSARY, THOUSAND LONGER A COST. 
          THINGS LIKE THAT. >> GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. AND I REFER TO THEM AS EVENT PLANNERS, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT TERM, COULD YOU HELP ME SPEAK DIRECTLY ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE ON-SITE TO MAKE SURE THE EVENT GOES SMOOTHLY? 
          HOW DO I PROPERLY ADDRESS THEM? >> THOSE POSITIONS AS OF JANUARY ADJUST TO OUTREACH COORDINATORS. WITH SPECIFIC FOCUSES, FOCUS AREAS. AREAS OF FOCUS. 
          EXCUSE ME. WHEN IT'S-- ONE IS ARTS AND CULTURE. ANOTHER IS COMMUNITY. 
          AND THERE IS BUSINESS OUTREACH. SO THEY WILL BE THE IDEA IS THEY ARE OUT IN THOSE AREAS REALLY MAKING THOSE CONNECTIONS, NETWORKING. AND THE OFFENSIVE A ARE OVERSEEING THAT IS IN THEIR PORTFOLIO WILL BE FOCUSED ON THOSE AREAS. FOR BUSINESS IT WILL BE A LOT OF THOSE RIBBON CUTTINGS, CEREMONIES, ARTS AND CULTURE, A LOT OF DEVELOPING, MOON GATE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
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SO THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD POP-UPS, COMMUNITY, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          GOOD LUCK WITH THE CHANGES. [LAUGHTER] 
          >> QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. WHEN IT COMES TO YOU SAID YOU HAD BUSINESS OUTREACH. ARTS AND CULTURE, AND. 
          >> COMMUNITY. >> WHERE DOES IT FALL WHEN THE FEDS ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY. WE HAVE A VENDOR COMING IN, AND EVENT COMING IN THAT'S GOING TO CLOSE DOWN MAIN STREET. 
          WHO REACHES OUT WITHIN YOUR DEPARTMENT, WHO REACHES OUT TO BUSINESS OWNERS ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE NOTIFIED THAT THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING? AND THE REASON I ASK IS THAT I HAD A OFFICIAL REACH OUT AND SAY THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON IT THIS DATE THAT WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT. IF YOU CAN PUT IT OUT IN TO THE ETHER, WHO THEY SHOULD CONTAC, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          >> THERE WE GO, SORRY. RIGHT NOW WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR AN OUTREACH CHORD IN A ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          I WILL SAY, WHEN WE HAVE THAT BUSINESS OUTREACH COORDINATOR THAT WOULD BE THE PERSON. IN THE MEANTIME, SEND THEM MY WAY, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH THEM. 
          BUT WE ARE HOPING TO REALLY SOLIDIFY THOSE CONNECTIONS. 
          WHEN THIS PERSON COMES ON AND THESE POSITIONS ARE MORE-- WHEN THEY START TO TRANSITION AND TO MAKE THOSE THE SAME NETWORK IN THE COMMUNITY, THE ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          AN KIND OF SOLIDIFY THOSE POSITIONS. 
          BECAUSE THEY DON'T-- I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE-- WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF THAT. I THINK. 
          I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. 
          >> AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE NOW SET TRANSITION, BUT WERE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH TO GET A SELECTOR TEAM. 
          SO WE ARE EXCITED. OFTEN TIMES I HAVE THIS ISSUE AND I NEED SOMEONE TO HANDLE IT. EVERYONE IS WILLING TO HELP AND THEY ARE VERY CAPABLE, BUT THERE IS NO ONE DEDICATED. 
          SO PEOPLE WITH THESE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONAL AREAS WILL BE REALLY 
          IMPORTANT. >> I THINK IT WILL HELP THE GENERAL POPULATION IN THE BUSINESS OWNERS. 
          >> 100%. >> I APPRECIATED. 
          THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO ADD, THEY HAD A VERSION OF THAT POSITION MANY YEARS AGO. 
          KIND OF WHEN WE WERE A LITTLE LESS DEVELOPED. 
          IT WAS MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THE ARTS AND DESIGN DISTRICT. 
          WHEN I WAS A BUSINESS OWNER IN THE AREA IT WAS HELPFUL TO HAVE SOMEONE TO CONTACT TO KNOW WHEN THE ROADS ARE GOING TO CLOSE, OR JUST NAVIGATE A, I DON'T KNOW WHO TO CONTACT IN THE CITY WITH THIS PROBLEM OR ISSUE, HAVING THAT POINT PERSON WAS VERY HELPFUL. I IMAGINE THAT WILL BE A WELL RECEIVED POSITION BY BUSINESS OWNERS. 
          >> WE HAVE MERCHANT SQUARE, THE BRIDGES, THE BURGEONING DISTRICT OF THE VILLAGE OF WEST CLAY, THE MACHINE ROAD, IT'S A HUGE CONSTITUENCY GROUP THAT WE'VE NEVER TRULY EMBRACED AND DEDICATED TO. I THINK ONE PERSON IS PROBABLY UNDERSTAFFING IT. BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          WE STILL HAVE A BUSINESS FOCUSED EVENT WE NEED TO DO. 
          AND I WANT TO GET MORE INVOLVEMENT WITH THE RESTAURANT TOURS AS WELL ACROSS THE CITY. HAVING BEEN ONE. 
          I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN. 
          THIS WILL BE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          >> WHEN GROUPS COME, NONPROFITS WANT TO DO AN ADVANTAGE IN THE CITY HELPS. AND LET'S SAY I WANT TO SPONSOR, I WRITE A 2500-DOLLAR CHECK BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE FOOD. 
          AND THE FOOD IS $1800. WHERE-- WHERE DOES THE DELTA AGO? I'M TRYING TO GET AN ACCOUNTING OF THE MONEY. YOU ARE LOOKING AT ME LIKE THIS 
          IS AN ABSURD QUESTION. >> NO. 
          THERE'S PROBABLY SOMEONE ELSE BETTER TO ANSWER IT. 
          BUT IT GOES TO WHERE THEY SAY THAT IT IS GOING TO GO. 
          >> THAT DONATION PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GONE IN TO THE BACK GIFT FUND. AND THE EXPENSE PAID FROM THERE, 
          THE REMAINING DOLLARS. >> IF IT'S FOR A NOT-FOR-PROFIT ACTION THEY GET THAT MONEY. IF I'M SPONSORING BAND-AIDS ARE US-- IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD WAY TO SET UP BARGAIN SPENDING ON THE CITY'S PART. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A BAD THING, JUSTIFY-- IF I AM SPONSORING SOMETHING I EXPECT ALL THAT MONEY TO GO TO BECAUSE I'M SPONSORING. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS TRACKED. 
          I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY HAS NOT DONE THAT, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW 
          IT'S TRACKED. >> RIGHT NOW, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S ALL THREE SPREADSHEETS. WHENEVER WE GET A DONATION FOR SOMETHING, THAT'S FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC, NOT JUST A GENERAL-PURPOSE DONATION. WE TRACTORS SPREADSHEETS IN TERMS OF THIS DONATION, SO FAR, 40,000 HAS BEEN SPENT, THERE'S 
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          20,000. >> IF I RODE A CHECK IN THE GIFT FUND THAT SAYS I WANT A $2500 SPONSORSHIP FOR THE VIP HORS D'OEUVRES. IF IT COMES IN AT $2300, GIVE THE REST TO THE FOUNDATION, TO THE ORGANIZATION. 
          IS THAT EVEN A THING? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE SEEN 
          SOMEBODY WANT SOME OF IT BACK. >> THEY CANNOT JUST WRITE IT TO 
          THE ORGANIZATION? >> FRANKLY IT'S BETTER FOR US. 
          IT'S PREFERRED FOR US. BUT IF IT IS OUR EVENT AND THEY WANT TO SPONSOR IT, THERE IS A NONPROFIT DOING THAT. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO POS OR ANYTHING. 
          ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> SO THE PREFERRED METHOD IS WE WANT TO HELP THE ORGANIZATION CUT GO TO THE ORGANIZATION. 
          AND NOTHING IS LOADED HERE. I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          >> THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE EARLIER THAT CAME UP WHERE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT IT, BUT IT WAS, A, THE CITY WILL RECEIVE A CHECK WITH A DONATION THAT WAS MEANT FOR THE FOOD BANK. 
          AS WE WERE GETTING IN TO THE WEEDS THERE IT WAS LIKE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DONATE TO THE FOOD BANK, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THEY DONATED DIRECTLY AS OPPOSED TO US. 
          CERTAIN DONATIONS WE NEED TO GIVE A TAX RECEIPT BECAUSE-- IT'S NOT THE CITY PACKETS THAT NONPROFIT. 
          IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GIVE TO A NONPROFIT WE TRY TO PUSH THEM TO THE NONPROFIT, NOT LOW IT ON THE CITY. 
          >> ANYMORE QUESTIONS FOR AARON? >> I WILL SAY, IF THEY DO SPONSOR AN EVENT, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THEY ARE GETTING. 
          AT THEY WANT TO DONATE DIRECTLY TO A NONPROFIT, THEY WANT TO GET BACK, IF THEY DO A SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR OTHER THINGS LIKE ADDED VALUE TO THEIR COMPANY. 
          BECAUSE THEY WANT THEIR LOGO ON THE SHIRT OR THEY WANT TO REACH AN AUDIENCE THE CITY CAN REACH THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS. 
          >> YOU'RE SAYING MAYBE THEY GIVE 2500 FOR FOOD, TICKETS AND THE T-SHIRTS AND ADVERTISERS. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. 
          IF WE ARE DOING-- IF THERE PAYING FOR A LOT OF THE ADVERTISING, THEY SHOULD HELP OFFSET THE CITY. 
          NOT JUST THE BUDGET. I'M JUST TRYING TO PROCESS HOW WE ARRIVE AT THOSE NUMBERS. IF WE CAN TRACK SOME OF THAT, MAYBE WITH A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, WILL HAVE A BETTER 
          UNDERSTANDING. >> MEGAN TRACKS EVERY PENNY. 
          11 BY 17 SPREADSHEETS. IF THERE IS ANYTHING YOU ARE LOOKING OUT OVER TIME, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE YOU TO IT. 
          >> QUICK QUESTION. TWO QUESTIONS FOR HR. 
          SORRY. I WANTED TO GET YOU EARLIER. 
          BUT WE MOVED 2. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. 
          ONE WAS THE WELLNESS PROGRAM. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAD INSTITUTED THAT TO HELP OUR EMPLOYEES, AND WE HAVE EXPANDED THAT PROGRAM. I WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE-- IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN A BIT ON RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THAT NOW THAT'S BEEN GOING. AND HAVE WE SEEN REDUCE CLAIMS? IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN SHOW THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT CONTINUED INCREASE? AND THE SECOND ONE WAS ON WORKER'S COMPENSATION. THAT INCREASING WORKER'S COMPENSATION WE SO? WAS THERE A CLAIM THAT IT TRACKED TO, WAS ARE IN INCIDENT, SOMETHING WE NEEDED. 
          TO DO DIFFERENTLY OR BETTER? THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FROM A HEALTH AND WELLNESS STANDPOINT. THANK YOU. 
          AND SORRY, IT WAS WATCHING YOU GET READY TO LEAVE. 
          >> I'M GETTING RAY TO GO USE ANOTHER ONE OF OUR BENEFITS. 
          SO I WILL BE BRIEF HERE. AS FAR AS THE WELLNESS PROGRAM, THE NEW LIRA IMPLEMENTATION, THAT UTILIZATION IS AMAZING. 
          IN THE WORLD OF EMPLOYEES PROGRAMS, UTILIZATION IS INCREDIBLY LOW. 3% IS GOOD. 
          OURS IS INCREASED FROM ONE TO NINE. 
          THAT'S AMAZING. EXCUSE ME. 
          AS FAR AS THE PERSONIFIED, I WOULD HAVE TO GET THE INFORMATION ON THAT. BUT IN GENERAL, THAT PROGRAM HAS BEEN AROUND A FEW YEARS. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG. 
          AND WE DO SEE HIGHER UTILIZATION OF THAT. 
          >> CAN I EDITORIALIZE ON THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT. 
          I WILL SAY THE UTILIZATION SUGGESTS THAT IT IS A GOOD PROGRAM. IT IS HARD TO MEASURE HOW DO THESE THINGS ACTUALLY IMPACT YOUR CLAIMS AND DO WE HAVE LOWER CLAIMS TODAY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ENGAGING IN PERSONIFIED? 
          >> THERE ARE MANY MEASURES OF THAT. 
          LOWER CLAIMS IS ONE OF THEM. RETENTION IS ONE OF THEM. 
          OVERALL EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION. I'M JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR 
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YOUR INSIGHT ON NOT. BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I BELIEVE-- I AGREE THAT THAT IS A GREAT PROGRAM. 
          >> I CAN GET MORE UTILIZATION NUMBERS FOR YOU. 
          I'M VERY HANDS-OFF ON IT. BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT IS WELL UTILIZED. AND INDIRECTLY IT DOES IMPACT OUR CLAIM UTILIZATION. WORKMEN'S COMP. IS A WHOLE OTHER THING. SO WE TAKE A LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRENDING UPWARD. 
          WE DON'T LOVE THAT. RIGHT? THEY ARE CLAIM DRIVEN. SO WE ARE SEEING-- NOT SEEN AN INCREASE IN CLAIMS, AND INCREASE-- YOU ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN HIGH DOLLAR CLAIMS. SO WORKMEN'S COMP. HAS CHANGED IN THE WAY THAT THEY THINK ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND CANCERS THAT WE ARE SEEING IN FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THOSE SORTS OF EXPOSURES TO CHEMICALS. THOSE ARE THE PRICIER ONES AND THEY ARE BEING MOVED IN TO WORKER'S COMP. 
          NOT AN INCREASE. WE HAVE GOOD PARTNERSHIPS, AND THEY DO OFFER FREE-- THEY OFFER SOME SERVICES TO HELP US WITH OUR SAFETY PROGRAMS AND HOPING TO GET CONNECTED WITH OUR OSHA SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS LIKE YOU TILDE-- UTILITY STREET AND DATA HELP. BUT IT'S NOT AN INCREASING NUMBER. IT'S JUST OUR HIGH DOLLAR ONES. 
          >> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. >> SO, YES. 
          I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS FROM FINANCER OTHERS. 
          -- FROM FINANCE, OR OTHERS. WE HAVE ABOUT 30 MINUTES LEFT. 
          FREE-FOR-ALL ON REMAINING DEPARTMENTS? 
          >> WHICH ONE? >> SERIOUS QUESTION. 
          WITH THE UPDATES TO THE FEE STRUCTURE, COUNCIL APPROVED, DO YOU SEE THAT HELPING GENERAL EDGING FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT IN 
          2027? >> RIGHT NOW-- WELL...  THE END OF AUGUST WE WERE AT 44% COVERAGE, WHICH IS WHERE WE ENDED UP ALL OF LAST YEAR. SO IN SEPTEMBER OF Q4, WE COULD COVER MORE THAN 60% BUDGET THIS YEAR. 
          >> I THINK AN IMPORTANT CAVEAT TO THIS IS THAT IT DOES NOT COST MORE MONEY TO DO BUSINESS IN CARMEL. 
          CERTAINLY IT DOES NO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE WE ARE THE GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD. BUT OUR FEES ARE IN LINE WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES. WE ARE STILL A BARGAIN. 
          YOU GET WHAT YOU GET BY BEING IN CARMEL. 
          IS NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? >> I THINK THAT WE ARE A LITTLE HIGHER, AS OF THIS YEAR. NOT IN EVERY-- IN MANY OF THE 
          CATEGORIES. >> HIGHER. 
          >> BOAT. [LAUGHTER] -- BOTH. [LAUGHTER] 
          >> BOTH. THEY WILL CATCH UP TO GREATNESS. 
          >> THE NEW STATE LAW REQUIRES A LOT MORE DELIBERATION ON FEE INCREASES AND IT MAY KEEP SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES IN CHECK. 
          WE GOT OURS DONE AT THE RIGHT TIME, I THINK. 
          >> ALSO THIS ACQUIRES YOU-- REQUIRES YOU TO HIRE OUTSIDE PEOPLE. THAT IS A MOTIVATOR. 
          >> WE ARE ONE YEAR IN TO THAT AND WE HAVE HAD NO TAKERS AT THIS POINT. OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S SLOW DOWN 
          OUR PROCESS. >> IF I COULD ADD, THE BUDGET WAS A TOTAL OF ABOUT 3.4 MILLION FOR THIS YEAR. 
          STILL A 3.4 MILLION-DOLLAR TOTAL FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          BUT IT LOOKS DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF HOW WE GET THERE. 
          AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT BURRELL-- BUILDING PERMIT REVENUE WILL GO TO IT'S OWN FUND NEXT YEAR AND THAT WILL BE THE MAIN SOURCE OF THEIR OPERATING FUNDS, ALONG WITH, INSTEAD OF 3.4 MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND, 1 MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND, THAT WILL BE TRANSFERRED INTO THIS BUILDING 
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PERMITS FUND. SO THERE ONLY OPERATING ON ONE FUND, INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE. BUT IT'S 1 MILLION OF GENERAL FUND. AND 2.4 MILLION OF OTHER REVENUE 
          THEY ARE BRINGING IN. >> THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE BEING MORE EFFICIENT AND DOING IT MORE EFFECTIVELY. BUT LET'S MAKE IT HARD FOR YOU. 
          >> HAVE I NOT SAID THAT YET? >> I'M UNDERSCORING IT. 
          >> MR. PRESIDENT? >> GO-AHEAD. 
          >> I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE PERMITTING RATES. 
          I THINK IT IS WORTH NOTING WHEN THE LAST TIME WE UPDATED OUR FEE SCHEDULE WAS IN THE CITY OF CARMEL. 
          >> IT'S A TWO PART ANSWER. WE HAVE OR HAD THE COST-OF-LIVING INCREASE. SO WE DOLLED UP EVERY YEAR. 
          BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD A COMPREHENSIVE FULL DAY SINCE 
          2003. >> MY POINT BEING, WE WERE PAYING 2003 RATES AND I THINK WE ARE ON PAR. 
          I WANTED TO GIVE YOU KUDOS FOR THE HARDWORKING PUT INTO IT. 
          AND THE WORK THAT CITY COUNCILS HAVE DONE. 
          >> APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 
          >> JUST, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN FOR THE PUBLIC THE-- I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ASSUME THAT THERE IS NOT AS MUCH BUILDING IN CARMEL AS THERE USED TO BE. 
          WE ARE GETTING BUILT OUT AND GETTING MATURE. 
          BUT WE'VE ADDED ANOTHER BUILDING INSPECTOR. 
          SO CAN YOU TALK A BIT ABOUT THAT? WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS, OR THE VOLUME OF WORK? AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN A COMMUNITY OUR SIZE? 
          >> THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION IS REALLY WHAT HAS SHIFTED. 
          I WOULD SAY, THE DAYS OF LARGE SUBDIVISIONS AND THE DOMINANCE OF SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOUSING HAS SHIFTED IN LARGE PART THANKS TO BUILDING ADDITIONS. 
          BASEMENT FINISHES, THERE IS A LOT OF HOME MAINTENANCE OR HOME IMPROVEMENT, SWIMMING POOLS, ALL THOSE CATEGORIES. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR MONTHLY PERMIT REPORTS, THEY ARE UP SIGNIFICANTLY COMPARED TO FIVE, TEN YEARS AGO. 
          AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF INSPECTIONS, I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT. IN 2019, WE HAD 6800 PLUS INSPECTIONS. LAST YEAR WE HAD 6500. 
          AND WE'VE AVERAGED 587 SINCE 2019. 
          WHICH IS FOR FOUR INSPECTORS IT'S QUITE A BIT. 
          OF DAILY LOAD. IN THE DAILY LOAD. 
          IT FLUCTUATES. SOME DAYS WE HAVE 48 INSPECTIONS. SOME DAYS YOU HAVE TEN. 
          SOME DAYS YOU HAVE ONE INSPECTOR ON PTO, AND ONE WHO... 
          THAT RELIANCE IS ON TWO INSPECTORS. 
          THE WORKLOAD IS ALWAYS THERE. THE BUILDING COMMUNITY IS ALWAYS ACTIVE. WHICH I THINK IS THE SIGN OF A 
          HEALTHY COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          >> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION RELATED TO BROOKSHIRE. 
          A COUPLE PEOPLE LEFT THE ROOM. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS AT OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING ON OCTOBER 5TH, RELATED TO THE BROOKSHIRE FEES. SO I CAN ASK THAT QUESTION THERE, I GUESS. BUT FROM A HOLISTIC STANDPOINT, I CAN ASK THIS QUESTION. TO THE ADMINISTRATION IN GENERAL. THERE IS A LONG-TERM VISION TO BECOME MORE SELF SUSTAINABLE. PARTS, BEING A PART OF THAT FOR 13 YEARS, WE LOOK AT WHAT WE CALL COST RECOVERY. 
          AND IT IS THE GOAL OF THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THE BROOKSHIRE GOLF COURSE TO ACHIEVE 100% OPERATIONAL COST RECOVERY. AND DEBT SERVICE LEASES IN CAP 
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          NEXT. >> AND WE ARE NOW THERE. 
          WE ARE ON TRACK TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT THIS YEAR WITH 
          BROOKSHIRE. >> IT LOOKS LIKE, BASED ON BUDGET, 1.7, REVENUE 26, ESTIMATED TO BE 1.5. 
          SO WE ARE 85% COST RECOVERY RIGHT NOW. 
          >> YES. AND I THINK WE WILL COME IN LATER THAN EXPECTED THIS YEAR. FOR BROOKSHIRE. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE NEW RATES, BUT ALL WAIT UNTIL THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING. BOBBY, YOU PLAN ON ATTENDING, CORRECT? FINANCE, GREAT. 
          >> BOB, WHEN WERE DONE I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT BUDGET. >> MAYOR, I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT, LOOKING BACK ON LAST YEAR'S BUDGET SESSIONS, ONE OF THE HOT TOPICS WAS AS WE WERE FACING CHALLENGES FROM SCA ONE CONTINUING TO FUND QUALITY OF LIFE THINGS, THE ARTS AND OUR EVENTS AND THINGS THAT CONTINUE TO MAKE US ONE OF THE BEST PLACES TO LIVE, WE KNOW THAT THIS YEAR IS JUST AS CHALLENGING, IF NOT MORE CHALLENGING WITH THE SCA ONE. 
          LOOKING AT THE ARTS FUND, IT IS THE SAME AS LAST YEAR. 
          WE HAVE PUT MORE MONEY IN TO THE CONTRACT. 
          RESTORED THE CONTRACT FOR THE CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS AND ALL THE EVENTS WE HAD. SOME THINGS ARE GETTING SHIFTED AROUND, BUT WE ARE NOT SLASHING EVENTS OR CUTTING THEM, EVEN AS WE FACE CONTINUED CHALLENGES FROM SC ONE. 
          IS THIS ALL CORRECT? >> CORRECT. 
          WE TRY TO KEEP OUR PARTIES WHERE WE SAID THEY WOULD BE. 
          PUBLIC SAFETY, ARTS, PARKS. THIS YEAR A LOT OF CREDIT GOES TO JACKIE FOR MAKING THE MAGIC TO PULL THIS BUDGET TOGETHER WITH ALL THOSE CHALLENGES. AND THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR THE REFINANCING. I WILL TELL YOU 28 AND 29 WILL BE ROUGH. BUT WE WILL DEAL WITH THAT MONEY WE GET THERE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE CAN MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR PRIORITIES AND I THINK WE CAN ALL SAY THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE CAN FUND TO A HIGHER OR DIFFERENT LEVEL. MORE STORMWATER PEOPLE, MORE BUILDING INSPECTORS. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE HARD CHOICES. ANOTHER MEMBER OF HR, ANOTHER SAFETY DIRECTOR. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS FOR IT. TO TRY TO KEEP OUR PRIORITIES. 
          >> I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS COULD NOT BE FOREVER. 
          THERE COULD BE DAYS AHEAD WHERE THE EFFECTS TO GET WORSE OR TOUGHER. WE WERE TOLD YEARS AGO THAT-- I WAS EXPECTING SLASHING EVERYTHING WALKING INTO THIS BUDGET CYCLE TO TRY TO SEE WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PRESERVE AS A CITY IS VERY APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. 
          >> CREDIT GOES TO OUR DIRECTORS REALLY WORKED HARD TO PRIORITIZE THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO RETURN THE HIGHEST VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND ALSO, REWORK CONTRACTS. 
          THERE IS JUST A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE BY OUR DIRECTORS. 
          AND YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF THEM. 
          >> I ALSO SAY THAT A LOT OF IT-- IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS OF LEARNING EACH OTHER'S HOT BUTTONS. 
          RATE? WE KNOW WHAT WE PUSH BACK ON. 
          AND YOU PROVIDED A BUDGET THAT IS STILL YOURS BUT IS RESPECTFUL OF NINE INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS. WHICH CANNOT BE EASY. 
          [LAUGHTER] >> NONE OF US ARE HARDHEADED. 
          YEAH. WE ALL ARE. 
          BUT-- BY NO MEANS IS ANYBODY SAYING THE BUDGET IS IN GREAT SHAPE. BUT I THINK IT'S DOING BETTER THAN EVER. AND I THINK THAT WE ARE AT A VERY, VERY GOOD SPOT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WHATEVER FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS FROM THIS SESSION, FROM THE PUBLIC, TO PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE SUBMIT THEM. BECAUSE IT IS A BIT OF A GIVE AND TAKE. AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE-- I DON'T WANT TO SAY FOR THE FIRST TIME, BUT NOTICEABLY, YOU HAVE-- WE HAVE DONE THE GIVING BEFORE WE GOT INTO NEGOTIATIONS. 
          I KNEW YOU HAD A DIFFERENT APPROACH, AND YOU REALLY PRESENTED SOMETHING THAT I CANNOT BE IRATE ABOUT. 
          WHICH IS WONDERFUL. SO, AS WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS, I 
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LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A GOOD BUDGET CYCLE. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE BUDGET UPDATE, FAULTY NEXT STEPS. ALL OF THAT. 
          >> FIRST READING OF THE BUDGET IS NEXT MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER 5TH. ASSUMING THERE MAYBE A FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING, WHERE THE BUDGET GOES, OR SOME ORDINANCES THAT CORRESPOND WITH THAT. AND OCTOBER 19TH WOULD BE THE 
          DATE TO ADOPT THE BUDGET. >> AND JUST TO PREPARE THE PUBLIC, THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A HECK OF A LOT OF RENUMERATION'S IN THAT YEAR WITH THE NOON-- NEW LINE ITEMS I MEAN RETRANSFER-- 
          REALLOCATION. >> WE HAVE SOME THAT WE HAVE CUED UP FOR NEXT COUNCILS MEETING ALREADY. 
          [INDISCERNIBLE] >> TWO. 
          [INDISCERNIBLE] >> WE WILL HAVE A FEW MORE. 
          BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE-- >> IN PROPER PREP IN PREPARATION FOR 2027-- UNLESS IT HAS BEEN ENCUMBERED UNDER A DIFFERENT-- 
          >> YEAH. ON THE ENCUMBRANCE-- IF IT'S TO BE ENCUMBERED FOR SOMETHING THAT IT WAS NOT BUDGETED FOR, HE BUDGETED FOR SUPPLIES, BUT INSTEAD YOU WANTED TO ENCUMBER A CONTRACT, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL TO MOVE THOSE DOLLARS. AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE ENCUMBRANCE IN THE FIRST MEETING 
          IN JANUARY. >> THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE?
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