Jul 22, 2021 Finance, Utilities, and Rules Committee Meeting 7-22-21

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ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE FINANCE, UTILITIES A RULES COMMITTEE FOR THURSDAY, JULY 22. IT'S 5:30. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU TO PRESIDENT FINK HIM FOR COMING TO OUR FINANCE MEETING. I APPRECIATE IT.

WE HAVE REALLY TO MISSIONS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. FIRST IS TO REVIEW RESOLUTION

[a. Resolution CC-06-21-21-01; A Resolution of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Establishing the Policy by Which Members of the Common Council May Participate by Electronic Means of Communication; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Finkam and Campbell.]

LIKE TO MAKE QUICK. . >> JOHN DID ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING ON . CRAFTED UNDER PRESIDENT FINKAM GIVES A BREAK TO MUCH CREDIT.

THE STATE OF INDIANA PASSED LEGISLATION IN THE SESSION GIVING US MUNICIPALITY EDITS ON ELECTRONIC MEETINGS. JOHN SAID WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AND LOCAL FORM IF YOU WANT TO USE ANY OF US. HE DID ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING. MY CHANGE WILL BE INTRODUCED AND I TOOK IT FROM UNLIMITED MEETINGS, SIGNIFICANT MEETINGS AND CUT IT WAY DOWN.

PRIMARILY I DIDN'T WANT, WE MAY PLAN ON THAT I DIDN'T WANT THE PUBLIC AUTOMATICALLY THINKING THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING AS IT WAS INTRODUCED. I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE PROBABLY WANT TO DO ALL OF OUR BUSINESS ELECTRONICALLY. I FEEL LIKE AS A GROUP I'VE HEARD PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS LIKE GOOD TO BE BACK TOGETHER. I FELT LIKE WE WILL BRING IT IN. IT'S WIDE OPEN FOR THE COMMUNITY TO DETERMINE WHAT

THEY WANT TO DO. >> GUIDANCE I WILL GIVE TO THE COMMITTEE IS AND WITH YOUR PERMISSION I WOULD LIKE TO SEPARATE COUNSEL MEETINGS FROM COMMITTEE MEETINGS.

I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR COUNSEL MEETINGS AS IS IN THE RESOLUTION VERSUS COMMITTEES I THINK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO, DOES ANYONE HAVE.

RIGHT NOW JOHN, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE ADDITIONAL CHANGES OR THE

CHANGES IN ADDITION TO STATE STATUE? >> GOOD EVENING COUNSEL MRS. JOHN OBERLANDER. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN WORRELL. THAT WAS A MOST SIGNIFICANT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY 50 PERCENT OF MEETINGS TO BE ATTENDED ELECTRONICALLY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AN COUNSEL OR FINKAM REQUESTED WE CHANGE IT TO 2. WE CAN KEEP THE REQUIREMENT ONLY TO FOR CITY COUNSEL AND AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ABOVE 50 PERCENT YOU COULD HAVE IT UP WHENEVER NUMBER YOU WANTED FOR THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS.

THIS RESOLUTION ADDRESSES BOTH COUNSEL AND COMMITTEES. THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND OTHER GOVERNING BODIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY THEY CAN ADOPT THEIR OWN RULES IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO USING THE SAME STATUTE. THIS WOULD COVER COUNSEL AND

COMMITTEE MEETINGS. >> AND IF IT'S TYPICAL THAT NON-COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL ATTEND COMMITTEE MEETINGS. THERE WOULD BE NO STIPULATION. SO FROM NOT ON THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE AS LONG AS I CAN DIAL-IN I COULD ATTEND THAT MEETING.

>> ABSOLUTELY.IT'S BOARD MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL COME FOR

QUORUM. >> OKAY. I WILL GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN. I'M ABSOLUTELY IN AGREEMENT WITH PRESIDENT FINKAM'S REQUEST

FOR NO MORE THAN 2 MEETINGS. AS I ANNUALLY? >> YES CALENDAR YEAR.

>> FOR COUNSEL. COUNSELOR NELSON. >> I DID HAVE A COMMENT I WAS

GOING TO STAY AY COMOTION. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AS I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN VOTE IN A COUNSEL MEETING UNLESS NOT IF IT'S A BUDGET OR SOME SORT OF MATTER LIKE THAT.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE ABOUT FORCE. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

IT ACTUALLY SAYS NO MEMBER CAN PARTICIPATE IN A MEETING. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NO CASE LAW.

IT'S JUST COME INTO EFFECT. FROM THE WEBINARS I'VE ATTENDED AND THE TALK LEGAL CIRCLES IS THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU JUST CAN'T VOTE ON THOSE ITEMS. YOU ACTUALLY CAN ATTEND THE MEETING. THERE'S A LIST. THIS OF ITEMIZED LIST SO IT'S ADOPTING A BUDGET AND MAKING A REDUCTION IN PERSONNEL, INITIATING REFERENDUM, IMPOSING OR INCREASING THE FEE OR PENALTY. WHICH ARE FAIR AMOUNT OF ORDINANCES THAT DO BOTH OF THOSE THINGS A SPECIALTY PENALTY.

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>> THE COUNSELOR WOULD BE CONSIDERED ABSENT? >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> QUESTION FOR YOU. BECAUSE THIS IS BOUND TO HAPPEN. WE GET HALFWAY THROUGH MEETING AND OH CRAP THIS HAD A FEE WE'VE GOT SME PARTICIPATING ARTERY UP TO THAT POINT. TO BE ATTENDED AND THEIR

ATTENDANCE OF A POINT? >> ARBITRARY MAKE SURE THEY DON'T TAKE A VOTE.

NOT SOMETHING I CAN PUT ON MY RADAR JUST TO MAKE SURE. ONE THING YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER ADDING TO THE POLICY IS SOME SORT OF TIME. FOR A COUNSELOR OR COMMITTEE MEMBER TO LET THE BODY KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE ATTENDING ELECTRONICALLY.

MAYBE YOU HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW WITHIN 72 HOURS OR A WEEK. OBVIOUSLY THINGS COME UP AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE WAIVED OR MAYBE THERE'S A 48 HOUR NOTICE. REQUIRED HER TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE PAID ELECTRONICALLY. SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND I CAN ADD THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO

ADD TO IT. >> ONE OF THE FINEST HAVING THAT IS WHEN HE WAS SICK KID OR SOMETHING HAPPENS AT THE LAST MINUTE YOU DIDN'T PLAN ON. WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT? AGAIN, YOUR CHILD SICK YOUR LITTLE ONE SICK AND ALL PACKED UP AND READY TO GO.

>> ABLE NO MORE THAN A FEW HOURS. >> WEIGHT TO YOUR TARGETS IN

SCHOOL. >> SURELY GOT SICK A DAY CARE ONCE AND HAD TO MISS A WEEK.

>> AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO BE THERE OR NOT.

MAYBE 24 HOURS IS IT FEASIBLE. I THINK A FEW HOURS NOTICE WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW.

ONE THING I'M TALKING TO IS I WANT TO SAY I AGREE WITH COUNSELOR WORRELL ON THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS. I KNOW LAND-USE IS DOWN TO 3 MEMBERS.

AND FOR SOME REASON ANY OF THEM HAS TO MISS FOR SOME REASON IT REALLY WOULD SLOW DOWN QUITE A BIT OF THINGS. JUST SO WE CAN KEEP BUSINESS MOVING AND IF SOMEONE BREAKS A LEG OR THEIR PLANE GETS DELAYED OR SOMETHING WE CAN STILL REACH OUR CORPSMEN HOW THINGS MOVE

ALONG. >> COUNSELOR NELSON. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY ASPECT BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST COMMITTEE.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE LIFE SOMETIMES GETS IN THE WAY AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM UNTIL YOU GUYS TRACKED ME DOWN. I THINK HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY, WE ARE ALL HUMAN.

THOSE THINGS WILL GET IN THE WAY. WE CAN LET THAT PREVENT US FROM DOING OUR BUSINESS AND OUR JOBS. I LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY.

>> I'M GOING TO MOVE US BACK DOWN TO TALKING ABOUT COUNSEL MAX.

SO WE CAN WRAP UP COUNSIL'S BOX. WHEN TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

COUNCIL IRES AN UNDERSTANDING THE AGENDA IN ADVANCE. KNOWING WHICH ARE VOTING ON.

I TAKE, I WOULD PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE COUNSELOR.

IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE REMOTE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN'T BE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT ALLOW THAT. TAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH. I KNOW IT MIGHT HAPPEN.

I ALSO HAVE FAITH IN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVING AND WOULD EXPECT THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THEM. IT WOULD BE OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT. THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN. IF THERE IS SOMETHING, JUST A SUPPOSE AS A PENALTY OR FEE. MAYBE IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR WE CAN CALL MY OFFICE FOR GUIDANCE

ON THAT TOO. >> I'M NOT AS INTERESTED IN A 24/72.

SOMEONE CAN'T BE HERE THEN THEY CAN BE HERE. THEY GET 2 TIMES.

THAT'S ONE. THAT'S MY POSITION. >> WE ARE ADULTS.

>> SHOULD WE PUT IN THE ROMANCE IF WE REALIZE HALFWAY THROUGH THAT SOMEONE SHOULD PARTICIPATE

IN HOW TO BE HAD ABOUT? >> I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO ADDRESS IT.

I THINK THEIR VOTE WOULD BE NULLIFIED IF THEY DEVELOP. >> IF WE HAVE TO PUT THAT IN

THERE THEN? >> YEAH THERE'S A SECTION IN THE LAW THAT IS NOT IN HERE

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THE ISSUE IS IF SOMEONE PARTICIPATES IN THE MEETING THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO AND THEY VIOLATE THIS IT'S A VIOLATION OF A DOOR LAW. , THE OPEN DOOR LAW.

THAT'S A LAW THAT CONTROLS THE MEETING PARTICIPATION AND HOW THE MEMBERS CAN PARTICIPATE.

I DON'T KNOW WE CAN GET AROUND IT WITH OUR POLICY. IF IT HAPPENS IT MIGHT JUST, IT MIGHT KNOW IF I GOT VOTE AND HE MIGHT HAVE TO VOTE ON IT AGAIN IF THAT DOES OCCUR.

>> I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. IF I'M GOING TO ATTEND TO COUNSEL MEETING. IT IS OR NOT ATTEND THE COUNCILMAN BUT BE VIRTUAL.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE. I THINK SOMEONE'S GOING TO BE, OR ALL COULD BE VERY AWARE THAT SOMEONE IS UP ON THE TV I'M GONNA TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO MAKE SURE WERE NOT GETTING INTO TROUBLE I'M ASSUMING YOU WILL DO THE SAME.

>> ABSOLUTELY. NEXT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE WOULD HAVE NEVER ONE SOMEWHAT ATTENDING VIRTUALLY PROBABLY BECAUSE OF AN

EMERGENCY THAT WOULD ALSO BE VOTING ON ONE OF THOSE 4 ITEMS. >> I'M TRAVELING A LOT, I

WOULD USE ITS WIMAX. >> 2 TIMES? >> I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TRAVELING, NOT NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I CAN'T MAKE THE TRIP WORK WITH THE COUNSEL MEETING.

AND SO I WENT TO CALIFORNIA IN JUNE WOULD'VE JUST JUMPED ONLINE.

I WAS ON A PLANE AT THAT POINT. I WOULD'VE SCHEDULED IT SO I WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MY ONE

OR 2 STRIKES I WOULD GET. >> CAN WE, CAN WE EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THE LAW AND THE ORDINANCE OR THE RESOLUTION I SHOULD SAY AND NOT PUT US IN JEOPARDY? I GUESS I'M TAKING THE POINT OF NOT TRYING TO WRITE A RESOLUTION FOR THE ONE TIME.

>> I GET YOU. I WAS JUST THINKING SOME OF THESE ARE REALLY NITPICKY.

SOMEONE MAY BE LOOKING AT DOG ORDINANCE ONCE NOT REALIZING THERE'S A FEE AND A FINE IN THERE. THINKING I'M JUST DEALING WITH THE RULES.

IN DEALING WITH DOGS AND THERE'S A FINE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THE LITTLE THINGS IF YOU LIKE ARE GOING TO GET US. IT'S NOT THE BIG THINGS LIKE THE BUDGET. IT'S OKAY IF THEY'RE DOING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MOVING

MONEY. AS I CONSIDERED A BUDGET ITEM? >> NO I THINK IT'S JUST

ADOPTING A BUDGET. >> IS ESTABLISHING OR INCREASING A FEE.

IT DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A FINE. >> WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT PROCEDURALLY TOO. I FEE WOULD BE MORE LIKE THE SOLICITOR AND SOME SORT OF FEEL LIKE THAT. THERE'S ALL SORTS OF PENALTIES ATTACHED.

IF YOU'RE PACKING UP PAST ORDINANCE IS A FEE FOR THAT RIGHT? OR AM SORRY PENALTY FOR THAT. SO IF THERE'S AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT WOULD VIOLATE THIS COULD WE TABLE THAT ITEM IF WE HAD TO? AND THEN THE REST OF THE

MEETING WOULD BE CLEAN? >> IF WE REALIZE BEFORE THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT PERSON INVOLVED IT WAS SOMETHING WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO. LIKE THE DOG ORDINANCE WE COULD'VE WAITED A WEEK. YOU COULD TABLE IT AND THEN ADDRESS IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

>> ABSOLUTELY THE OPEN DOOR LAW WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY OFFICIAL ACTION ON A ITEM WHICH IS A BROADER TERM THAN IT SOUNDS LIKE. IT'S NOT JUST A VOTE.

IT'S RECEIVING INFORMATION INTO LIBERTY. ALL THOSE COUNT ON ACTION ON AN OPEN DOOR LAW. IF YOU TABLE AN ITEM IS PROBABLY FINE.

MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT. JACOB AND I COULD WORK TOGETHER TO NOTATE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA TO SAY THAT'S A PENALTY ATTACHED TO IT OR FEE ATTACHED

TO IT. >> THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. ACTS AS A REMINDER TO SAY YOU KNOW IF ONE OF THESE LITTLE MARKS ARE ON THE AGENDA OR ONE OF THESE ITEMS ARE ON THE

AGENDA YOU CAN PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY. >> WE ARE ALSO PART, WE HAVE TO KEEP A RECORD AND I JUST FOUND ONE THROUGH AIM. COULD THIS DOCUMENT ALSO BE, OR HELP YOU WITH THAT? NOT ONLY HAVE TO PUT THE NUMBERS ME FOR VERIFYING THERE'S ANOTHER CHECKBOX. THERE'S ARE ANY MITIGATING REASONS WHY THIS PERSON SHOULD

NOT BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND. >> IT COULD HURT AS LONG AS WE COULD DO IT BEFORE THE MEETING.

ABSOLUTELY. THIS WILL BE A LOT TO TRACK RIGHT IF YOU COULD ONLY HAVE TO ABSENCES OR EVEN ON THE COMMITTEE IS 50 PERCENT OF THE MEETINGS.HERE ARE A SET

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>> DOES JACOB HAVE TO FILL OUT A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS FOR EVERY MEETING?

>> HAS TO NEW IN THE MINUTES WHO PARTICIPATED ELECTRONICALLY.

ALL THE VOTES HAVE TO BE ROLL CALL VOTES WHEN ANYONE IS PARTICIPATING ELECTRONICALLY.

>> YOU GOT A BIG JOB JACOB. >> ALL RIGHT. HOW DO YOU WANT, WHAT HE WANTED YOU HERE? DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT AS IS? DO YOU WANT TO ADD A STIPULATION TO TIME, NOTICE? I'M TRYING TO FINISH UP COUNSEL THEM THE MOVE ON THE

COMMITTEES. >> I DON'T EITHER. I DON'T REALLY WANT TO TIME STIPULATION EITHER.> ALL RIGHT SO MOVING ON TO COMMITTEES.

I GUESS I'M GOING TO ASK. DOES ANYONE DISAGREE THAT YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED MORE THAN 2 AND A COMMITTEE AND THE WAY I LOOK AT A COMMITTEES SIMILAR TO WHAT ADAM WAS SAYING.

IT'S NOT A FINAL ACTION. IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNSEL.

I LIKE TO KEEP THINGS MOVING GET SOMETHING TO COUNCIL WHICH WOULD ALLOW AS YOU SAID COUNSELOR NELSON. WHEN HE HAD YOUR SITUATION LAST IME.

I WAS GOING TO JUST THROW THEIR 50 PERCENT. >> AND COUNSELOR I WOULD POINT OUT THAT IT IS A FINAL ACTION UNDER THE OPEN DOOR LAW WHEN YOU SAY GO TO A COMMITTEE

MEETING. IT'S A BROADER DEFINITION. >> CITED SLEEP WELL LAST NIGHT.

IT SOUNDED GOOD.DID IT SOUND GOOD? >> INDENT.

>> ON THROWING UP 50 PERCENT WHICH IS HOW THE ORDINANCE READS.

>> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. ABSOLUTELY. A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY

ON THE COMMITTEE AND A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL FORM COUNCIL. >> YEAH.

>> I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT. WHAT DO YOU THINK ADAM?

>> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR AN AMENDMENT?> BEFORE YOU DEAL WITH POINT ON A LINE 67 WHERE IT SAYS MOVER COULD GO TO 2 MEETINGS WITH ELECTRONIC. IF WERE ONLY ALLOWING TO IT WAS INAPPLICABLE. THAT SOUNDS IS YOU CAN ATTEND TO EXECUTIVE MEETINGS BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO ATTEND ONE IN PERSON. BEFORE YOU ATTEND ANOTHER ONE ELECTRONICALLY. GOING TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE IN THEIR JUST FOR THE COMMITTEE ONE APPLY TO COUNSEL. I WILL PUT THAT CAVEAT IN THERE THAT YOU HAVE TO ONLY ATTEND TO

IN A ROW. >> SO ONE LAST QUESTION. DOES THIS GO IN EFFECT ONCE WE VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE OR DOES THIS LIKE START AT THE NEW YEAR?

OR WHEN WITH THE START? >> THIS WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.

UNTIL AT LEAST JULY 31 THE GOVERNOR HEALTH EMERGENCY ORDER STILL IN PLACE.

WE COULD OPERATE UNDER SECTION 3.7 OF THE NEW LAW. WHICH IS THE BROADER SECTION THAT WE USED THE LAST MINUTE WE DON'T HAVE TO BE ON CAMERA IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING ELECTRONICALLY. ACTUALLY EVERYONE CAN PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY UNDER THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE 50 PERCENT OF THE PERSONS.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY HOW WE BEEN DOING IT FOR THE LAST YEAR. WHEN WE HAVE THE ELECTRONIC MEETINGS. DOES HAVE TO BE BROADCAST BUT I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S GOING TO RENEW THE ORDER AFTER THIS MONTH. THEY CAN'T HAVE GIVEN LOCAL UNITS ABOUT 2 MONTHS TO GET THESE POLICIES IN E. IT'S HARD TO Y IF WILL RENEW THE ORDER OR NOT. THESE WILL BE IN PLACE AS SOON AS THE RESOLUTION IS PASSED.

>> WE COULD ONLY GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY IF THERE'S A GOVERNOR'S ORDER.

IF COVID NUMBERS GO UP BUT THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T DECLARE AN ORDER, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO

THINK LIKE A BLIZZARD IN TOWN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> NOT NECESSARILY.

IT'S AN EMERGENCY ORDER DECLARED BY THE GOVERNOR UNDER 10, 1312.

LOCAL OFFICIALS DO HAVE AUTHORITY TO DECLARE LOCAL DISASTER.

EITHER OF THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE OPERABLE TO OPERATE UNDER THAT SECTION.

YEAH. >> BY THE WAY, IS IT FINAL WHEN WE VOTE ON IT OR WHEN THE MAYOR

SIGNS IT. >> IS TECHNICALLY THIS WHEN THE MAYOR SIGNS IT.

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>> I WANTED ASKED. >> IS UPON PASSAGE AND OTHER STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS.

THE BEAR HAS 10 DAYS TO SIGN IT. IF HE DOESN'T SIGN IT JUST COMES INTO OPERATION OF LAW. IT'S OFFICIAL ONCE THE MAYOR SETS IT.

AND COUNSEL PRESENT. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? N? MAYBE JOHN WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO RAFT AN ENDMENT AND GET IT OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT WILL THEN

JUST INCLUDE WHEN WE GO BACK TO COUNCIL. >> CAHABA VERSION A AND I'LL DO IT EARLY NEXT WEEK SO YOU HAVE SOME TIME TO LOOK AT FOR THE MEETING AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS

YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE. >> ONE THING JOHN AND I TALKED ABOUT WHEN HE WAS WRITING THIS TOO WAS WE DO HAVE A MEMBER OUT AND IF SOMEONE WAS SICK OR THE ADA STILL APPLIES.

IF SOMETHING, SO WHAT WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR REGIONAL COMPENSATION.

I WOULD ASK HIM ABOUT THAT ASPECT AND HE SAID WE SHOULD NOT CONSIDER THAT RELATED TO

THIS. >> THER ARE EXCEPTIONS BUILT RIGHT INTO THIS.

HER MILITARY SERVICE, ILLNESS OR OTHER MEDICAL OR DEATH OF FAMILY.

THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS BUILT AND IF SO BE LIKE THAT HAPPENS.> NOTE COUNSELOR NELSON THOUGHT ABOUT AS WELL. SO IF WE DO GET A RECOMMENDATION WHETHER OR NOT TO SEND THIS TO COUNSEL I WOULD ASK YOU TO MAKE YOUR MOTION TO INCLUDE THE AMENDMENT THAT JOHN

WILL SEND TO US ELECTRONICALLY. >> WE SEND IT TO FULL COUNSEL WITH POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT COMMITTEES CAN HAVE UP TO 50 PERCENT OF PARTICIPATION

REMOTELY. >> SECOND. >> HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY HI.

ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR JOB

[b. Property Abatements/Compliance with Statement of Benefits – Deadline was May 15, 2021: 1. Digital Mobile Innovations/Allegient 2. Protective Insurance Company/Baldwin & Lyons 3. Belden, Inc. 4. Capital Bank and Trust Co. 5. NextGear Capital/Dealer Services Corporation 6. Meridian Medical Partners, LLC 7. Midcontinent Independent System Operator, Inc (MISO) 8. The Capital Group Companies 9. Blue Horseshoe Solutions, Inc. 10. Schlage Lock Company, LLC 11. Braun Corporation 12. ZP Investments, LLC and Zotec Partners, LLC 13. Atapco Carmel, Inc.]

THIS IS A TASK THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE LOOKS AT EACH EAR. WE HAD SOME TIME OR HAD SOME TIME TO CHECK IN WITH EACH OF YOU THAT YOU HAVE REVIEWED. WE REALLY HAVE 3 OF OUR 13 COMPANIES THAT HAVE SOME LESS THAN EXPECTED PERFORMANCE BUT I AM GOING TO START OUT WITH A BLANKET STATEMENT. NONE OF THEM GAVE ME PAUSE. I'M NOT, NAME THE NAMES OF THOSE COMPANIES AT THE MOMENT. IN EACH OF THE SITUATIONS THAT WAS MAYBE A NEGATIVE NUMBER OF JOBS BUT SALARY WAS STILL PERFORMING. OR THERE WAS STILL PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX SOME OTHER REDEEMING QUALITIES. I AM, MY REVIEW IS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THIS FOR ONE MORE YEAR. COUNCIL NELSON TO ASK EARLIER HOW WE EVER NOT APPROVE SOMETHING AND JACOB WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO INFORM US THAT THERE HAVE BEEN 2 SITUATIONS IN THE PAST WHERE WE ASKED THE COMPANY TO VOLUNTARILY GIVE UP THEIR ABATEMENT. IN THIS CASE I'M GOING TO SAY I'M COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD AND I WOULD WELCOME ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY. PRESIDENT FINKAM?

>> I DID HAVE THE CONCERN. WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A MOTION? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I MOVE? SEND THIS BACK TO FULL COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO SEND THIS BACK TO COUNSEL WITH POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAOR PLEASE SAY I. ANY OPPOSED?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.