Aug 02, 2021 City Council Meeting 08-02-21

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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TOURNAMENT GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. KNOWING THE PRESENCE OF THE

[2. AGENDA APPROVAL]

FIRST UP IS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SUE FINKAM: WHEN REQUEST YEAR. COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA. AT THE REPORT UP TO JUST UNDER THE CONDITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS? A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE.

NEED TO PUT AN AMENDMENT IN. YET.

LET'S DO A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR GET SIGNIFIED WITH AN AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES.

[3. INVOCATION]

HI. PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE PODIUM THERE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

>> THERE IT IS. MY NAME IS BRETT SHAWN CUNNINGHAM. I AM NEW TO THE BOW OUR HEADS AND PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO YOU WITH AN IMPLICATION, CALLING TO THE YOUTH TO BE WITH THE PEOPLE IN THIS RIMKUS FATHER. WE KNOW NO ONE IS IN A POSITION OF AUTHORITY WITHOUT YOU, FATHER.

WE TRUST IN WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY DECLARED.

WE ASK THAT AS WE VOTE OR AS WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS OR THESE DEBATES OVER WHAT TO DO WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE PRIORITIZING YOUR TEAM THAT ONE THING IS UNSHAKABLE. I THANK YOU FOR EVERY SOUL THAT IS IN THIS ROOM. MAY WE BE MINDFUL THAT LOVE DOES CONQUER ALL. AND THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE ENTRUSTED US WITH. IT IS IN JESUS CHRIST THAT WE

[4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

PRAY. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU, AND WELCOME TO THE COMMUNITY. NEXT UP IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND WHILE COUNSEL LEADS IT. I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC OF WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU, SIR.

NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM FIVE, RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS. WE HAVE NONE ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. AS WE HAVE AMENDED THE AGENDA

[11. OTHER REPORTS (Part 1 of 2)]

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. I AM REPRESENTING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. I WAS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD.

WE MET MOST RECENTLY ON MAY 17TH, CONTENT IS THE ONLY TIME WE MET SINCE MY LAST UPDATE ON THE VERY FIRST.

AND WE MET TO DISCUSS TWO PROJECTS, BOTH OF WHICH WERE APPROVED. AND THE FIRST PROJECT WAS THE SIGNATURE PROJECT FOR UP TO SIX TREATMENT AND THE SECOND PROJECT WAS THE PROSCENIUM TWO. AND IT WAS A SHORT ONE-HOUR MEETING. THE CONVERSATION WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE AND COLLABORATIVE. IT WAS FOCUSED AT LOOKING AT MIX OF UNITS FOR SALE AND FOR RENT. TWO BED, THREE BED, ONE THAT AS WELL AS MARKET RATES. THE CONVERSATION FOCUSED AROUND SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEY WERE ALL FOUND TO SATISFACTION. ANY QUESTIONS IN THAT UPDATE?

>> SUE FINKAM: IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANY.

>> PRESENTER: THANK YOU. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TONIGHT PICNICS IS THE PUBLIC ARE COMMITTEE ANNUAL REPORT. WE WILL GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

WE DID MOVE IT UP TO TRIED TO GET THAT MOVING ALONG.

[6. RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL]

WE CALL IT THAT BLUE CARD TIME. AND THIS IS THE TEMP W WENT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. AND THOSE WHO SUBMITTED A BLUE CARD SHOULD GO TO PODIUM TO COMMENT AS YOUR NAME IS CALLED.

NO THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK THAT WE CAN ENTER INTO A GUY

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THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA IS FOR YOU, THE PUBLIC GOT TO INFORMS US, THE COUNCIL ON YOUR VIEWS.

THAT LIGHT OVER IT THERE IS A RED, YELLOW, AND GREEN LIGHT.

IT WILL START GREEN AND THEN GO TO THE YELLOW WITH LEFT AND THEN GO TO RED. WE ASK THAT YOU WRAP UP.

ANY FORMS OF DEMONSTRATION ARE NOT ALLOWED HERE.

THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING. WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S PEOPLE WHO WILL BE FOR COMMENTS AND PEOPLE WHO WILL BE AGAINST COMMENTS.

THE PEOPLE IN THE LOBBY, PLEASE HOLD ANY APPLAUSE OR COMMENTARY.

SO FIRST UP IS IN A HOLIDAY REGARDING ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE NEW POLICY FOR NEW HIRES REGARDING A VACCINE.

NO, THE OTHER WAY AROUND. MAKE SURE IT IS ON.

NO, RENÉE, MAKE SURE THAT LIGHT IS RED.

YOU JUST TURN IT OFF. >> PARTICIPANT: MY NAME IS RENÉE HOLIDAY AND I AM IN CARMEL RESIDENT.

I HAVE SENT E-MAILS TO THE MAYOR WITH ZERO REPLIES.

CARMEL PRIDES ITSELF AS A CITY OF INCLUSION AND TOLERANCE.

I READ THIS IN AN E-MAIL THAT SAYS THE CITY OF CARMEL IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER AND HIRES AND PROMOTES QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT REGARD TO RELIGIOUS BELIEF, DISABILITY, GENETIC INFORMATION, VETERAN STATUS, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, OR GENDER IDENTITY. THE E-MAIL BODY CONCLUDED WITH PLEASE BE ADVISED THE CITY OF CARMEL HAS ESTABLISHED THE FOLLOWING POLICY WITH COVID-19. THIS POLICY IS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. THE CITY OF CARMEL REQUIRES ALL EMPLOYEES BE FULLY VACCINATED PRIOR TO FIRST DAY OF EMPLOYMENT. PROOF OF VACCINATION WILL BE REQUIRED. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE TERMS OF THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE WILL REMOVE YOU FROM OUR HIRING PROCESS. DID MAYOR BRAINARD CONSULT THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THIS? OR DID HE MAKE A UNILATERAL DECISION? I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THE SHOT OR ELEC EXPECTS NOT TO MENN THE INFORMATION IS CHANGING DAILY.

THE MAYOR HAS DECIDED THAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE NO CHOICE WHAT GOES INTO THEIR BODY, PERIOD.

HE HAS DECIDED TO MANDATE THIS FOR HIS PEOPLE.

HE WILL ATTEMPT TO CLAIM THIS IS FOR THE SAFETY OF US ALL.

USE ALL OF THESE THINGS TO TRY TO JUSTIFY IT.

NEXT XMAS LAST I CHECKED TO CONSTITUTION IS NOT ON HOLD.

DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.

THERE IS NO MENTION OF EXEMPTIONS.

IS MAYOR BRAINERD GOING TO DISCRIMINATE BASED ON RELIGIOUS REASONS CLIQUES AND GOVERNMENT STATE AND LOCAL UNITS CANNOT REQUIRE PROOF OF VACCINE STATUS BE GIVEN.

ALL HAVE AGREED THAT THIS IS A VIOLATION OF HB 1405.

OUR OWN ATTORNEY GENERAL SUPPORTS THIS VIEW.

THE CITY OF CARMEL IS ATTEMPTING TO REQUIRE PROOF OF VACCINE.

IT IS A VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS ACT IF YOU DO NOT ALLOWED TO RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS. THIS IS A VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT YOU HAVE US ON. HAVE YOU NOT LOOK AROUND TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THESE MANDATES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WORLD? TO BE A LEADER IN THIS AND PASS AN ORDINANCE IN THE STATE OF INDIANA.

THAT BANNED VACCINE PASSPORTS IN THEIR TOWN.

>> I LOVE CARMEL. I HOPE THAT THE CITY OF CARMEL FEELS THE -- RESPECT THEIR MEDICAL FREEDOM.

THIS IS NOT A CITY THAT IS SUPPORTING DIVERSITY OR TOLERANCE. I WILL CLOSE WITH THIS.

THE MOTHER OF HUMANITY IS ALWAYS THE ALIBI OF TYRANTS.

>> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU, RENÉE. NEXT UP IS DANNY NIEDERBERGER REGARDING MANDATORY VACCINES FOR NEW EMPLOYEES.

>> PARTICIPANT: COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO URGE YOU TO USE CAUTION WITH THIS NEW MANDATE FOR NEW AND EXISTING EMPLOYES ABOUT MANDATING THE VACCINE. WE KNOW WHAT FIVE-YEAR, TEN

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THAT IS PLAIN AND SIMPLE BUT WE DO NOT.

WE DON'T KNOW THE LONG-TERM DATA.

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS VOLUNTARY, IF YOU WANTED TO STRONGLY ENCOURAGE IT, IF YOU WANT TO ADMIT IT, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE. BUT HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MANDATE IT. IF SOMETHING COMES OUT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS VACCINE, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD? THERE'S GOING TO BE LAWSUITS.

WHO IS ON THE HOOK FOR THOSE LAWSUITS WITH THE CARMEL GOVERNMENT PUT THE TAXPAYERS. I AM A CITIZEN OF CARMEL.

I AM A YEAR AND A HALF INTO A 30-YEAR MORTGAGE.

AND I AM ASKING YOU GUYS, PLEASE DO NOT KICK THIS RESPONSIBILITY OF THESE LAWSUITS THAT WILL HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD TO MY GENERATION. PLEASE DON'T.

THANK YOU. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU, DANNY.

UP IS BOBBY WESTBROOK REGARDING ITEM NUMBER SIX.

WHICH WAS REALLY RECOGNITION OF PERSONS.

SO I'M ASSUMING THE SAME ITEM? >> GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL AND MAYOR BRAINARD. RENÉE AND I MUST THINK AND AWFUL LOT LIKE. IT HAS COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT AN E-MAIL HAS COME OUT REQUIRING EMPLOYEES TO BE FULLY VACCINATED TO COVID-19 AND THAT PROOF OF THIS WILL BE REQUIRED UPON A CONTINGENT JOB OFFER. IF THE PERSON -- NOT SHOW PROOF THAT THEY WILL BE REMOVED FROM THEIR CURRENT HIRING PROCESS.

IT IS IS THAT THE CITY OF CARMEL TREATS EVERYONE EQUALLY WITHOUT REGARD TO RACE, NATIONAL ORIGIN, ANCESTRY, DISABILITY, GENETIC INFORMATION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, OR GENDER IDENTITY.

NUMBER ONE, WAS THIS MEDICALLY DISCRIMINATED E-MAIL MADE BY THAT MOVE IN WHICH SHE DID NOT ENLIST THE ADVICE FROM THE COUNCIL WHEN HE TRIED TO MAKE THE PUBLIC SHOW PROOF BEFORE ENTERING CITY HALL? TWO, DID THE COUNCIL KNOW ABOUT THIS E-MAIL PROUD TO AND GOING OUTPUTS THREE, THIS E-MAIL STATES ALL NEW HIRES HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR MEDICAL STATUS AND SHOW PROOF. DOES THIS MEAN ALL CURRENT EMPLOYEES HAVE HAD TO SHOW PROOF IN ORDER TO KEEP THEIR JOBS.

NUMBER FOUR HOW IS IT THAT A MAYOR FAULCONER USURP THE INDIANA STATE LAW WITH WORDING, PERTAINING TO COVID-19 SPECIFICALLY. IS MAYOR BRAINARD GOING TO ASK OTHER MEDICAL QUESTIONS OF HIV, AUTOIMMUNE STATUS, AND IF SO, IS THE ALSO GOING TO BECOME THE MEDICAL PROVIDER AND DIRECT THEIR CARE UNDER HIS NEW RULES RELIGIOUS AND MEDICAL EXCEPTIONS BEING ACCEPTED OR UPHELD? OR IS THAT RIGHT AND LAW ALSO BEING IGNORED? IS THERE GOING TO BE ANYTHING SET IN PLACE TO STOP THE TYRANNICAL MAYOR?

THANK YOU. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU.

NEXT IS STEVE. THE HOTEL'S REPORT AND HARASSMENT SEGMENT. -- SETTLEMENT.

>> PARTICIPANT: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNSEL PEOPLE.

I WANT TO THANK THE PRESIDENT OF COUNSEL FOR BRINGING UP THE THAT HARASSMENT SEGMENT CHARGES. -- SETTLEMENT CHARGES AND FIND OUT WHAT IS BEHIND THIS. WHAT THAT MAYOR DOES NOT GIVE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAPER FOR THIS. I ASK YOU COUNCILMEMBERS TONIGHT TO VOTE YES TO BRING THIS UP AND TO GET AN INVESTIGATION.

DISCUSS SEVERAL VIOLATIONS ON THIS -- THERE'S SEVERAL VIOLATIONS ON THIS. AND I WOULD HATE TO PERCEIVE THE U.S. ATTORNEY INVOLVED ON THIS. THE SECOND THING IS THE 18 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OVER BUDGET ON THE HOTEL.

BACK AT A MEETING IN OCTOBER OF 1919 -- 2019, I MEAN, HENRY GOT UP IN FRONT OF THE MEETING AND MR. CARTER ASKED HIM, ARE WE ON BUDGET? WHERE ARE WE AT? HENRY GOT UP THERE AND SAYS, OH, EVERYTHING IS UNBUDGETED WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY OVERRUNS. HE HAS LIED.

HE HAS LIGHTED TO COUNCIL. HE HAS LIED TO THE PEOPLE OF CARMEL. WHY THIS MEANT STILL HAS A JOB IS BEYOND ME. IF HE LIED TO ME IN DOING BUSINESS WITH ME, AS A MANAGER THAT HE WOULD BE FIRED.

THANK YOU. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU, STEVE.

NEXT UP IS ERIC WITH THE HOTEL REPORT AND SUBPOENA POWER.

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>> PARTICIPANT: THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM REPORTS. APRIL 2019, ON PAGE 60, IT SAYS -- I COULD NOT GET THE INTERNET TO COME UP HERE.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING ABOUT WHEN ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE BEING SOLD AND IN THE PASSIVE VOICE, IT SAYS SOMEBODY HEARD BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW WHO DID HEAR THIS INFORMATION? APRIL 2019. THAT IS ONE QUESTION I STILL HAVE. THE SECOND QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH IS THE FEINSTEIN CLUB LLC PAID FOR TOWARD THE HOTEL OR IS -- DOES IT HAVE A LEASE? WHO IS PART OF THIS FEINSTEIN CLUB LLC? I THINK THAT IS INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW. IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THE BLAME IS ON THE FACT THAT THAT WAS NOT REALLY PLAN.

THEN TOWARD THE END, IT MENTIONS THAT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, THIS HOTEL IS DOING BETTER THAN ITS PEERS IN SPECIAL EVENT BOOKINGS AND THE. I THINK WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AT LEAST THIS MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

AND PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ON THOSE ROOM NIGHTS AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE MAKING STATEMENTS, SPECIAL EVENT BOOKINGS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. YOU CAN CANCEL OUT THE NAMES, BUT SHOW ME ON THE GRAPH. WHERE HOTEL CARMICHAEL IS.

AND THE MAIN THRUST IS THAT HENRY CLAIMED THAT WE WOULD NOT COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR PUT MORE MONEY.

BUT CLEARLY, THAT WAS VIOLATED BECAUSE IN THE REPORT, YOU CLEARLY STATE THAT THE $1 MILLION IN BONDS WERE NEEDED FOR MAINTENANCE ITEMS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF FUNDS TO FUND THE OVERAGES THERE. SO IN THAT WAY, VIOLATED WHAT HE STATED. HE DID COME BACK TO COUNCIL.

I ALSO THINK THE JANUARY 2ND, 2019 MEETING, I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU KNEW WHEN YOU KNEW IT AND IT IS PRETTY TELLING THAT PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE THIS EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION, CORRECT? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT MEETING.

SO I ALSO UNDERSTAND NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAS BEEN PROVEN, THAT THAT MAYOR IS GOING TO DENIED UNVACCINATED PEOPLE TO BE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR JOBS.

WHAT DOES IT TAKE IN THIS CITY, THOUGH, FOR PEOPLE TO BE FIRED? WE HAVE TO WORD THE NINTH PERFECTLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR JOBS. WE HAVE MULTIPLE TIMES PEOPLE IN THIS CITY HAVE DONE THINGS WRONG AND THEY DON'T GET FIRED.

THEY CAN SETTLEMENTS. I WOULD RATHER REFOCUS ON SOME PEOPLE RESIGNING. LIKE MY FRIEND ADAM OVER THERE.

I THINK HE SHOULD RESIGN FROM THE CRC.

I THINK YOU TWO SHOULD RESIGN FROM THE CRC.

A POINT -- I HAVE NOT TALKED TO DR. HANNA.

APPOINT DR. HANNA TO THE CRC. A POINT ME TO THE CRC.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE CLOSER.

THIS IS THE FIFTH TIME OR SO. THANK YOU.

>> SUE FINKAM: NEXT UP IS PAGE MILLER PARK IT DOES NOT SAY WHICH AGENDA ITEM. SO WE WILL LET HER INTRODUCE

THAT. >> PARTICIPANT: GOOD EVENING.

MUCH OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION AND DATA ABOUT THE VACCINE. I BELIEVE IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO REQUIRE THE VACCINE AS A REASON, AS A WAIT TO GET EMPLOYMENT. THIS IS COMING FROM THE VACCINE ADVERSE EVENT REPORTING SYSTEM. SO THIS IS THE DATA.

AS OF 7:23. THERE HAVE BEEN 518,000 ADVERSE EVENTS, 11,940 DEATHS, 63,102 SERIOUS INJURIES, 40,991 HOSPITALIZATIONS 65,067 URGENT CARE, 4,110 AND IF LASIX, 3,714 BELLS PALSY CUP 1,272 MISCARRIAGES, 4,799 HEART ATTACKS, 3,201 MYOCARDITIS 12,808 PERMANENTLY DISABLED.

1,932 THROMBOSIS THE -- AND 6,123 TONIGHT IS.

AND THIS IS COMING ONCE AGAIN FROM THE REPORTING SYSTEM AS OF 7:23. I THINK MAYBE SOME TIME READING OR CONSTITUTION WOULD BE AN ORDER FOR MAYOR BRAINARD SO THAT HE DOES UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE NOT GIVING UP RIGHTS EVEN THOUGH IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC.

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THANK YOU. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU.

NEXT UP IS JULIE REQUIRING -- REGARDING THE NEW HIRE POLICY.

>> PARTICIPANT: MUCH OF WHAT I HAD TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN COVERED. SO FORGIVE MY PUMPING ABOUT IN MY NOTES. -- POPPING AROUND IN MY NOTES.

I'M NOT YEAR TO EXCUSE. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THAT. I AM HERE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

WAS THIS DECISION INVOKE A VACCINE MANDATE MADE BY MAYOR BRAINARD BY HIMSELF? WAS THE COUNCIL CONSULTED ABOUT THE SCRIPT THAT YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THIS DECISION? IS THIS DECISION FOR NEW EMPLOYEES ONLY? HAVE ALL CURRENT CITY EMPLOYEES ALREADY BEEN VACCINATED? WERE THEY REQUIRED BY THE COUNCIL TO BE VACCINATED AS A CONDITION OF KEEPING THEIR EMPLOYMENT? IS THIS LEGAL. HOUSE BILL 1405? I REPEAT, I'M NOT MAKING ACCUSATIONS.

I'M ASKING QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE BASIC QUESTIONS IS THIS. HOW DARE ANY PERSON MANDATE AN OBJECTION -- INJECTION INTO A HUMAN BODY THAT HE OR SHE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT. DO YOU KNOW THE POTENTIAL WEAKNESSES OF SOMEONE'S CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM? DO YOU KNOW IF SOMEONE'S LUNGS MAY BE COMPROMISED DO YOU KNOW IF THE REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM WILL BE AFFECTED? DO YOU IF BLOOD CLOTTING COULD OCCUR AND LEAD TO A STROKE? THESE ARE NOT WELL-KNOWN VACCINES WITH DECADES OF CLINICAL TRIALS. THEY APPARENTLY TESTED RUSH TO MARKET EXPERIMENTS WHOSE POST VACCINATED DATA IS BEING COLLECTED IN REAL-TIME, IF IT IS COLLECTED AT ALL CURRENT FROM HUMAN EXPERIMENTS. PAGE WORKED ON QUITE A FEW STATISTICS AND IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS ESTIMATED THAT THOSE ARE HIGHLY UNDERREPORTED. IT IS OUR BELIEF UNCONSCIONABLE TO MANDATE AN EXPERIMENTAL INJECTION INTO THE BODY OF A HUMAN BEING. IT IS THE HEIGHT OF ARROGANCE, AND IT IS QUITE LITERALLY CRIMINAL.

I ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FDA'S EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT, IT IS TO BE INVOKED IN CASE OF EXTREME EMERGENCY, WHICH MANY PROFESSIONALS BELIEVE IS NOT THE CASE.

PRESENT CDC'S OWNER DATA, 95% OF ACUTE COVID CASES HAVE BEEN A MONTHLY ELDERLY OR THOSE WITH COMORBIDITIES.

THIS DOES THIS TAKE -- SHOW THAT THE BEST MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION, COVID IS A SURVIVABLE DISEASE.

95 PLUS% OF PERSONS DIAGNOSED WITH COVID -- LET ME MEANT THAT.

THOSE WHO TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID RECOVERED.

DO THOSE CONSTITUTE A PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY CLIPS AS I UNDERSTAND THE FDA EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION, IT IS TO BE INVOKED ONLY WHEN ALTERNATIVE TREATMENTS ARE NOT AVAILABLE.

THIS IS NOT THE CASE WITH COVID-19.

MANY, MANY WELL CREDENTIALED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS HAVE REPORTED HIGHLY EFFECTIVE RESULTS FROM THE EARLY USE OF HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE, ZINC OXIDE, AND OTHER READILY AVAILABLE, INEXPENSIVE WELL TESTED TREATMENTS, GIVEN THE AVAILABILITY OF THE EFFECTIVE TREATMENTS, IT IS QUESTIONABLE THAT THESE VACCINES SHOULD BE AS STRONGLY ADVOCATED AS THEY ARE AND IT IS CERTAINLY QUESTIONABLE THAT THEY SHOULD BE MANDATED.

>> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE LESS SPEAKER IS -- REGARDING NEXT NATIONS FOR THE OF CARMEL.

-- VACCINATIONS FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL.

>> PARTICIPANT: IT IS GOOD. IT IS ON.

YOU ARE GOOD TO GO. >> PARTICIPANT: MAYOR BRAINARD, COUNCIL PERSONS AND GUESTS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS THIS BODY. I HAVE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE TO FOLLOW THESE OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SAID HALF OF WHAT I ALREADY WANT TO SAY. OVER THE LAST 15 MONTHS, YOU GUYS HAVE ENCOURAGED CITIZENS TO THE DECK NEXT -- TO TAKE STEPS TO PREVENT ILLNESS. AND YOU HAVE KEPT US INFORMED AND GIVEN US RESOURCES TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT OUR OWN HEALTH.

IT IS TIME TO STEPPED DOWN. LET US TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OURSELVES. MR. BRAINARD, YOU HAVE IMPLEMENTED A POLICY THAT WILL DISCOURAGE HIGHLY COMPETENT INDIVIDUALS FROM SERVING YOUR COMMUNITY.

A POLICY THAT WILL ENCOURAGE INDIVIDUALS TO SEEK EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE. THE CITIZENS OF CARMEL DESERVE THE MOST QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS. TELLING POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES THEY ARE UNWORTHY BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE FOR THEIR BODY AS YOU.

>> THEM TO DO IS A VIOLATION OF WHAT MAKES THE CITY THAT THIS COUNTY GREAT. ROCK THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AS INDICATED BY THE CDC LAST WEEK THAT GETTING THE COVID

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GET IN THE CHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HELP US MANAGE THE INFECTION, AND THIS HAS NOT COME TO FRUITION.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE MORE THAN ANY OTHER INJECTION EVER IN THE HISTORY OF VACCINATIONS. ADDITIONALLY, MORE THAN ALL VACCINATIONS COMBINED. WE HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT COVID INJECTIONS ARE SAFE, PARTICULARLY IN THE LONG TERM, AS DANNY SAID. ANYONE WHO PROFESSES THAT THERE IS EVIDENCE TO THE STATE -- INTENTLY DECEIVING YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO KNOW WHAT POSSIBLE WE MAY SEE IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW.

THE STANDARD APPROVAL PROCESS FOR ALL DRUGS IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN NO LESS THAN EIGHT YEARS. THAT AMOUNT OF TIME WOULD BE BETTER THAN THE SIX-MONTH OBSERVATION WHICH WE ARE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW THAT PFIZER, MODERNA, AND JOHNSON & JOHNSON CANNOT PROVIDE YOU WITH ANY INFORMATION ABOUT SAFETY IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA SHEET AND THE PRESCRIPTION BOTTLES? THERE IS NO INFORMATION.

THEY ARE BLANK. THEY CAN'T TELL YOU.

IT HAS BECOME CLEAR THAT THE PUSH TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE REJECTED AS POSSIBLE IS MOTIVATED BY MONEY, POLITICS, AND COMPETITION. MR. BRAINARD, YOUR CHOICE TO PARTICIPATE IN FOURTH INJECTIONS AGAINST THE VIRUS IS NO LONGER ABOUT HEALTH. IT IS ABOUT SOUTH ELEVATION AND DISINTEREST IN TRUE WELLNESS. YOU MUST STOP TRYING TO FORCE THIS INJECTION AMONG PEOPLE WHO PUT THEIR TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN YOU. IT IS NOT YOUR CHOICE THAT MAKE ANY DOCTOR -- THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR VERY PROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOR THIS EVENING. IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

NEXT UP IN THE AGENDA IS THE COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS. COUNSEL? -- COUNCIL CLIPS SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

3,578,000. >> COUNCILMEMBER: I MOVED TO APPROVE. CONTROL SECOND.

>> SUE FINKAM: ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

THANK YOU. THAT CARRIES.

ITEM NINE IS ACTION. THERE ARE NONE.

[10. COMMITTEE REPORTS]

COMMITTEE. >> THE FINANCE COMMITTEE DID MEET ON AUGUST 2ND. WE HAD THREE ISSUES BEFORE US.

AND I WILL DISCUSS THOSE AS THEY APPEAR ON OUR AGENDA.

>> SUE FINKAM: SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE.

>> HAS NOT MET. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU.

[11. OTHER REPORTS (Part 2 of 2)]

MEETING. >> PARTICIPANT: GOOD EVENING.

I WOULD JUST GIVE A QUICK RUNDOWN OF THAT WE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION'S ACTIVITIES FOR THE LAST MONTH.

FIRST, WE ENDED THE MONTH OF JUNE WITH ABOUT $6.8 MILLION OF UNRESTRICTED FUNDS. HOLLAND IS MOVING ALONG QUICKLY.

IT IS SET TO OPEN IN SEPTEMBER. IT SHOULD BE THE SECOND OF SEPTEMBER. I CHECKED TODAY.

WELT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INDUSTRIOUS, WHICH IS A NATIONAL WORKSHARE FLEX SPACE, WE SHOULD ALSO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO ARE OTHER SIMILAR BUSINESSES IN THE SEAT OF CARMEL.

PLATFORM 24 OVER ON OUR CENTRAL SIDE.

THEY CONTINUE THE THING. THEY ARE ALMOST FINISHED WITH CONSTRUCTION. IT IS AN OLD PICTURE THE GREEN GRASS IS GROWING IN THE CENTER OF IT AS THEY CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT OUT. AND I BELIEVE ALL OF THE CONDOS

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LAST TIME I GAVE A PRESENTATION, COUNCIL ESTIMATE HOW THE SALES WERE DOING ON THE PROJECT. THEY HAVE SEVEN TOWNHOMES SOLD SO FAR. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY WERE RELEASED FOR SALE. THEY DO HAVE SEVEN COMMITTED.

THEY HAVE RELEASED A PORTION AT A TIME.

SO THAT IS WHAT I KNOW SO FAR. LOT ONE CONTINUES TO BE IN DEVELOPMENT AND I KNOW I SAY THIS EVERY MONTH, BUT I HOPE TO HAVE SOME ARCHITECTURE TO PRESENT SHORTLY.

MAGNOLIA HAS RECEIVED THE PERMIT FOR THE STACKED FLATS CONCEPT.

SO THOSE SHOULD GET UNDERWAY AS WELL.

A LOT OF FOR SALE URBAN HOUSING GOING -- GOING TO HIT THE MARKET SOON IN THE CITY, WHICH IS REALLY COOL TO SEE WHAT.

WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT. THE CORNER IS GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO BEGINNING. THEY ARE WAITING FOR EVER ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO FINISH UP THE COVERT THAT HAS CLOSED SOUTH RANGE LINE. I GUESS IT IS WESTFIELD.

BUT THAT PROJECT SHOULD BE STARTING SHORTLY.

IS OUR TECH IS GOING TO BE OPENING UP SOON.

THE TOWNSHIP A AND WE DEVELOPMET COMMISSION CONTINUE WORKING ON THE NEW HISTORICAL SOCIETY BUILDING.

AND THEY HAVE ALSO STARTED A FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN TO OUTFIT ITS INTERIOR WRECKING AS WELL. THAT SHOULD BE A WELCOME ADDITION. DEED LETTERS INSIDE THE BROOKSHIRE VILLAGE SHOP IS SET TO OPEN THIS MONTH, AUGUST 20TH. THAT IS A VERY WELCOME ADDITION TO OUR EAST SIDE. SO THIS IS VERY ENCOURAGING.

THE WE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HAS ISSUED A REQUEST FOR POTENTIAL BUILDERS TO BUILD THE CIVIC SQUARE PARKING GARAGE.

THOSE WILL BE OPENED UP AT A PUBLIC MEETING AT A FUTURE WE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING TO SEE.

WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF INTEREST.

WE SHOULD HAVE FIVE OR SIX TEAMS SUBMITTING.

SO THAT IS REALLY ENCOURAGING. THE SIGNATURE PROJECT IS GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO HAVING EVERYTHING APPROVED WITH THE CITY AND WE SHOULD HAVE CONSTRUCTION ON THAT ONE STARTED SOON. FINALLY, WE DID RECENTLY RECEIVE THE HOOSIER PLAN FOR THE HERE 2021.

IT IS A GIFT THAT KEEPS ON RECEIVING AWARDS.

PREVIOUSLY A NATIONAL WINNER OF AN AWARD BY CONGRESS URBANISM.

IT WON SEVERAL MONUMENTAL AWARDS LAST HERE.

HERE WE ARE IN 2021, AND WE ARE STILL WINNING AWARDS FOR THE MONA WHICH WAS A TEAMWORK EFFORT BY CITY ENGINEERING AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.% AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> SUE FINKAM: COUNSEL?

>> ANTHONY GREEN: COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SECOND SLIDE? THERE YOU GO. THANKS.

I HAVE NOT ASKED THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS IN A WELL.

SINCE IT IS KIND OF RELEVANT FOR THE CONVERSATION WE ARE GOING TO HAVE COMING UP. SO WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, 6.8 MILLION? SO WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS ULTIMATELY ON HOW THAT MONEY IS SPENT? WHO CONTROLS THAT MONEY AND HOW THAT IS SPENT?

THE 6.8 MILLION. >> ANTHONY GREEN: THAT REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION EVERY YEAR IN DECEMBER PASSES A BUDGET. IT ALSO THEN PASSES A TRUE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR OF THAT BUDGET AS WELL.

ANY OF THAT MONEY THAT NEEDS TO BE SPENT HIS VOTED ON PUBLICLY

BY THE REDEVELOP COMMISSION. >> ANTHONY GREEN: WITHIN THE

CRC? >> PARTICIPANT: IT IS ALSO PAIRED TO SAY -- FAIR TO SAY THAT THE COMMISSION CARRIES A LOT OF COST AS THE YEAR GOES ON. OFTENTIMES WE ARE DEALING WITH THREE, FOUR, FIVE-YEAR PROJECTS THAT UNTIL THE BONDS PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY SOLD, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS PAYING ATTORNEYS, TAKING ON LAND DEVELOPMENT COSTS.

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IT IS HIGHER THIS YEAR THAN PREVIOUS YEARS BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL PASSED THE REFUNDING EARLY THIS YEAR.

THAT IS WHAT KIND OF LED TO HIGHER BALANCES THAN WE USUALLY

HAVE. >> ANTHONY GREEN: OKAY.

AND THEN KIND OF THE SAME TYPE OF QUESTION FOR AT THE END BALANCE WITH RESTRICTED FUNDS, THE ADDITIONAL A MILLION.

WHAT IS -- HOW DO THOSE FUNDS -- WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SPEND

THOSE FUNDS? >> PARTICIPANT: A WHILE AGO, COUNSEL AND THE REDEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT HAD A DEPOSIT AGREEMENT WHERE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PLENTY OF CASH LEFT OVER TO PAY ON BONDS AS CERTAIN ALLOCATION AREAS EXPIRE, THE CRC EVERY YEAR? MONEY ASIDE INTO ESSENTIALLY A LOCKBOX ACCOUNT. BECAUSE WE DO THIS LONG RANGE PLANNING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE FUNDS NECESSARY AND WHAT NOT TO COVER ALL OF THE BONDS. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THE COUNCIL WILL AGREE TO USE MONEY OUT OF THAT RESTRICTED ACCOUNT.

THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE WE NEEDED TEMPORARY FUNDS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF GARAGES THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS ALLOWED THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND ONCE THE GARAGES ARE BUILT, THAT MONEY GOES RIGHT BACK TO THE LOCKBOX.

THE ZOTEC ROUNDABOUT IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF USING THOSE RESTRICTED FUNDS FOR THAT ROUNDABOUT AND THEN WENT THAT MONEY FROM THE ALLOCATION AREA COMES IN, IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO

THAT LOCKBOX. >> ANTHONY GREEN: THANK YOU.

SO KIND OF SUMMARIZING THE RESTRICTED FUNDS IN ORDER TO PETE SPENT HAVE TO GO FOR CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, THE RESTRICTED FUNDS OR THE -- WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS, BY THE CDS

-- >> PRESENTER: THAT IS GENERALLY CORRECT. THERE ARE STILL ACTIONS THAT CANNOT BE TAKEN WITHOUT COUNSEL A PROVEN SPACE APPROVAL LIKE CERTAIN THINGS THAT STATE LAW REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

>> KEVIN "W >> ANTHONY GREEN: AND IS THERE ANY NOTICE REQUIREMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN THOSE FUNDS WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS ARE SPENT BY THE CRC?

>> PRESENTER: ALL OF'S TRCS SPENDING HIS VOTED ON IN PROBABLY BY THE COMMISSION THAT IS BOTH COUNSEL AND MAYORAL APPOINTEES. WHEN WE HAVE BUDGETS, WHEN WE HAVE THOSE VOTES, OBVIOUSLY ALL GO OUT AND EVERYTHING IS PUBLICLY NOTICED WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

>> ANTHONY GREEN: NUMBER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

>> SUE FINKAM: COUNSEL RUSSELL? >> COUNCILMEMBER: COULD YOU GIVE US UPDATE ON THE DEVELOPMENT FUNDS? ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS LOOKING TO MAYBE START AT SOME POINT LOOKS I'M NOT RUSHING YOU. I'M JUST GIVING YOU AN UPDATE.

>> PRESENTER: WE ARE DOING OUR ENGINEERING STUDIES NOW.

COUNCIL MAKE SURE THEY WERE GOING T HAPPEN.

THAT IS MOVING FORWARD IN THE ENGINEERING STAGE AT THE CITY STAGE. THERE WERE SOME LAND ACQUISITION FUNDS, AND WE ARE EXPLORING SOME OF THOSE ITEMS, AND WE KNOW WE ARE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL BEFORE THAT GETS PASSED.

BUT THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT. WITH RESPECT TO ROUNDABOUT ARE, ROUNDABOUT ARE ENGINEERING, IT TYPICALLY TAKES ON THOSE PROJECTS. THEY ARE TAKING THE LEAD ON THAT. THAT WOULD ALSO GO BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR A PUBLIC VOTE BEFORE THAT MOVES FORWARD.

>> SUE FINKAM: COUNCILMAN NE NELSON?

>> MILES NELSON: HI, HENRY. LAST COUNCIL MEETING YOU SHARED THAT THE HOTEL HAD ITS FIRST 1 MILLION-DOLLAR REVENUE.

IS THERE A BREAKDOWN ON -- OF THAT REVENUE, HOW, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT STREAMS OF REVENUE, WHERE IT CAME IN, IT WAS IT EVENTS? WAS IT ROOM RENTAL COOK'S AND THAT THE OTHER PART OF MY QUESTION WOULD BE, CAN WE GET SOME INFORMATION ON A WEEKLY OR MONTHLY BASIS, JUST HOW MANY ROOMS ARE VACANT, AND HOW MANY ROOMS ARE BEING RENTED?

>> PRESENTER: TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION THAT WAS TOP LINE REVENUE. TOUCH OF YOUR SECOND QUESTION, I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I WOULD NOT WANT TO DISCUSS THOSE NUMBERS IN A WAY THAT

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>> MILES NELSON: I JUST THINK THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL SINCE THE CITY, SINCE THE TAXPAYERS ALSO ARE.

OWNERS IN THIS, THAT THAT INFORMATION, SOME INFORMATION THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU, HENRY.

>> QUICKLY ON LOT ONE, MY RECOGNITION IS THAT PROJECT WAS APPROVED IN 2019. GOOD YOU GIVE US SOME INSIGHTS ON THE CONCEPT DRAWING? IT SEEMS WEIRD TO SHOW TAXPAYERS THAT. CAN YOU LET US KNOW OR FILL US IN ON WHAT THE DELAY IS ON GETTING SOME CONCEPT PLANS THAT

WE COULD SHARE? >> HENRY: AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, A LOT OF THESE REDEVELOPMENT DEALS, INCREDIBLY TIGHT TO MAKE HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE DIFFICULTIES OF THE SITE.

WE HAVE ALL SEEN CONSTRUCTION COST RISE PRETTY QUICKLY HERE OVER THE LAST YEAR. WE CONTINUE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS TO GET A CONCEPT THAT STAYS TRUE TO THE INITIAL INTENT AND WE JUST CONTINUE WORKING IT OUT AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL -- MORE IMPORTANT TO DO IT RIGHT THAN TO DO IT QUICKLY.

>> TIM HANNON: I DON'T THINK ANYONE EXPECTS TO SEE THE DETAILED BLUEPRINTS. LET US KNOW WHEN YOU CAN DO

THAT. >> HENRY: I WILL.

>> SUE FINKAM: QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HENRY, COULD YOU UPDATE THE PHOTO?

>> HENRY: YES. >> SUE FINKAM: FOR THE PROJECTS

THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO. >> PRESENTER: YES.

THANK YOU. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU.

NEXT UP IS THAT MEETING FOR AUGUST.

WELCOME, MICHAEL PERCHICK. >> PRESENTER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TO BEGIN WITH, I WANT TO START WITH AN ANNOUNCEMENT INVITING YOU TO AN EVENT AND I WILL END WITH A SIMILAR ANNOUNCEMENT. WE ARE VERY EXCITED THAT 2021 ACTUALLY REPRESENTS THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY.

AUGUST 20TH 1991 WAS WHEN THE INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF CONROE AND CLAY TOWNSHIP WAS FULLY EXECUTED. SO THAT IS OUR CREATION THEY METRIC AND ON AUGUST 17TH, WE WILL BE CELEBRATING THAT 20TH ANNIVERSARY. I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WE WOULD DO ON THE 20TH EXCEPT I WILL BE ON VACATION.

SO WE WILL DO IT A COUPLE OF DAYS EARLY.

IT IS GOING TO BE 3:00 P.M. THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME AS WELL AS ALL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. WE WILL BE CELEBRATING OUR 30TH ANNIVERSARY. WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE IF NOT A FEW OF OUR THE DISTANCE THAT HELPED TO CREATE THE DOCK SYSTEM ALSO COME TO CELEBRATE US. THERE WILL BE A JOINT CONCURRENT RESOLUTION THAT IS READY TO CAMERON BRATE CARAMEL CLAY PARKS AND RECREATION WINNING THE GOLD-MEDAL LAST YEAR.

I STILL SEE THE CURRENT ONE CITY UNDER -- SITTING ON THE COUNTER UP THERE. JUST A LITTLE HINT.

BUT BEYOND THAT, WE ALSO WILL BE RAISING A BANNER AT THE GYMNASIUM SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR THE NATIONAL AWARDS. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME.

I LIKE IT STARTING A SLIDE OFF WITH US SERVING THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY THE YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY.

THIS WAS A POLLINATOR EVENT THAT WE WERE DOING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARK ASSOCIATION.

WE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING -- USING THE PUBLIC TO HELP US IDENTIFY ALL OF THE WILDLIFE IN OUR PARKS.

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COVID-19 HAS HAD TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON ALL OF US.

ARE LIVELIHOODS, BUSINESSES. AND CARMEL CLAY PARKS AND RECREATION HAS BEEN NO DIFFERENT.

I LIKE USING 2019 AS A BENCHMARK BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS BEFORE WE HEARD OF ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO THE PANDEMIC AND 2019 WAS ONE OF OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL YEARS THAT WE HAVE HAD.

THE NUMBERS THAT I'M SHOWING ARE SPECIFIC TO THE SCHOOL ENRICHMENT BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM THAT WE DO IN CONJUNCTION WITH CARMEL CLAY SCHOOLS.

SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM AS WELL. COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE RECREATIONAL PROGRAMMING. THESE ARE THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE BASICALLY COMPLETELY OPERATED OFF OF USER FEES.

NO TAX DOLLARS GO INTO THOSE FACILITIES.

AV -- VERY GOOD YEAR. AND THE NET INCOME THAT WE GENERATE IS USED FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS.

ONE, TO CREATE RAINY DAY FUNDS. IT ENDED UP BEING MORE THAN A RAINY DAY. AS WELL AS THE HELP TO PREPARE FOR SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT SOMETIMES IT IS INVESTMENTS INTO THE COMMUNITY CENTER. SYMPTOMS FOR THE DOG PARK.

WE WILL USE THE COLLECTED USER FEES TO PROVIDE NEW AMENITIES.

SOMETIMES IT IS FOR SUMMER CA CAMPS.

WE WILL USE THOSE NET INCOMES FOR THOSE VARIOUS PURPOSES.

LAST YEAR, WE HAD TO USED IT FOR RAINY DAY.

WE HAD TREMENDOUS DECREASES IN REVENUE.

ALMOST 46% COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

WE HAD NET LOSSES APPROACHING $3 MILLION.

OBVIOUSLY, VERY -- SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT USED TO REPORTING TO THE COUNCIL AND SOMETHING THAT SINCE 2010 WE HAVE NOT REPORTED TO THE COUNCIL.

BUT UNLIKE IN THE PAST, WE HAVE BUILT UP THOSE RESERVES.

AND WE HAD MORE THAN SUFFICIENT FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND THE LOSSES THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED AND STILL HAVE A HEALTHY CHRISTIAN SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO SEE DOWNTURNS.

-- CUSHION SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO SEE DOWNTURNS.

PRELIMINARY NUMBERS FROM THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE.

WE ARE BACK IN THE BLACK. AND WE ARE BACK IN THE BLACK MUCH SOONER THAN WHAT I WOULD THE DELTA VARIANT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IMPACT WE HAVE ON CONSUMER CONFIDENCE. WE ARE VERY MUCH A RETAIL OPERATION AND THAT CONFIDENCE IS CRITICAL FOR PEOPLE TO TRUST THEIR CHILDREN IN A BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM.

BUT IT DOES POSITION US VERY WELL.

I THINK THAT AT MINIMUM, WE WILL BE CLOSE TO THE COST RECOVERY AND I THINK I'M CONFIDENT TO SAY THAT THERE'S AT LEAST A REASONABLE CHANCE THAT WE WILL BREAK EVEN THIS YEAR.

AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY VERY GOOD NEWS.

I HAVE TO GIVE THE CREDIT TO MY STAFF, THE COMMUNITY CENTER, ERIC OUR DIRECTOR THERE. IT IS THEIR LEADERSHIP THAT HAVE MADE SURE THAT THEY WATCH THE NUMBERS VERY CLOSELY.

I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CAPITAL FUNDING.

THERE WAS AN ONLINE ARTICLE THAT WAS POSTED YESTERDAY AND WAS NOTICED OUT TODAY IN THEIR NEWS BRIEFING AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE IN TOMORROW'S PRINT EDITION AS WOKE UP TALKING ABOUT CAPITAL FUNDING AND SOME OF THE INCREDIBLE BENEFITS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE TOWNSHIP WITH THE $55 MILLION BOND THAT THE INITIALLY ISSUED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ESSENTIAL PART AS WELL AS THE LOCAL INCOME TAX DOLLARS THAT HAVE COME TO THE TOWNSHIP THAT HAVE BEEN USED FOR CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT.

OVER THAT COURSE, IT IS GOING TO BE CLOSE TO $50 MILLION THAT HAVE COME TO PARK SYSTEM THAT HAVE BEEN USED TO MAKE ENHANCEMENTS. AS WELL AS OF COURSE, THE RECENT BONDS. JUST TO GIVE A BIG PICTURE OF OVERVIEW OF WHERE OUR CAPITAL FUNDING, THE LIONS SHARE HAS COME FROM TAXES. WHAT IS CRITICAL ABOUT THAT IS THE LEADERS OF THE TOWNSHIP AND THE CITY, BECAUSE THIS WAS DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH BOTH ENTITIES AND IN AGREEMENT WITH BOTH ENTITIES, IS THAT THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTED ALL OF THE

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DAY WITH THAT LAST MUNICIPAL BOND ISSUED FOR THE STATE OF INDIANA THAT FELL UNDER OLD FUNDING FORMULAS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE DISTRIBUTIONS.

BECAUSE OF THAT, WE RECEIVED THOSE FUNDS.

WHEN THAT BOND IS PAID OFF, IT DOES, A TWO-YEAR PHASE OUT.

THE BOND GETS PAID OUT ON JANUARY 1ST, 2025.

2026, WE WILL RECEIVE APPROXIMATELY 50% LESS THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW. BETWEEN 1.5, 1.75 MILLION IS WHAT I'M PROJECTING WILL RECEIVE IN 2026.

2027, WE WILL RECEIVE HALF OF THAT.

MAYBE AROUND 750 OF THOSE BALLPARKS.

IT DEPENDS ON THE OVERALL DISTRIBUTIONS.

IN 2027, WE WILL KNOW LONGER RECEIVE ANY FROM THE TOWNSHIP.

HOW DO WE REPLACE THE ROUGHLY $3.2 MILLION? I HAVE ASSEMBLED AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR ME TO HELP REVIEW THAT COULD LOOKING AT STATE LAW TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WE ARE STILL IN THE MIDST OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HAVE A SOLUTION IN PLACE.

OUR NEXT LARGEST FUNDING SOURCE, IMPACT FEES.

THESE ARE REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS.

IT WAS LAST UPDATED AND REVISED IN 2019.

WE ARE AVERAGING A LITTLE BIT UNDER 1.1 MILLION A YEAR.

WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS PARTICULAR FUNDING SOURCE, UNLIKE THE LATE, THE IMPACT FEES CAN ONLY BE USED FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN PROJECTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED WITH WHAT IS CALLED THE ZONE IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

THOSE CURRENTLY INCLUDE BEAR CREEK PART AND ALSO THE WHITE RIVER CORRIDOR. IT CAN'T BE FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

THOSE ARE FUNDED THROUGH LIT AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.

CONTRIBUTING 900,000. A LOT OF THAT WAS 1.7 THAT THEY CONTRIBUTED WITH OVER THREE YEARS.

IT WILL PROBABLY BE A FEW YEARS BEFORE WE ARE IN A POSITION THAT THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A NEW CAPITAL PROJECTS OR CAPITAL REPLACEMENTS. WE HOPE TO GET BACK INTO THAT POSITION WITHIN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.

AND THEN THE PARK CAPITAL FUND WHICH IS FUNDED THROUGH THE CITY HAS BEEN AVERAGING ABOUT 250,000.

IN TOTAL, JUST UNDER $5.5 MILLION ANNUALLY ARE GOING TOWARDS CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR THE PARK SYSTEMS, FROM REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING PARKS, LIKE THE PLAYGROUND AND IT WASN'T DONE WITH FUNDS LIKE THIS. AND, OF COURSE, I WOULD BE REMISS IN NOT RECOGNIZING CLAY TOWNSHIP FOR THE $30 MILLION ROUGHLY OUT OF THEIR OVERALL IMPACT PROGRAM THAT IS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BENEFITING THE PARK SYSTEM.

THEY ARE JUST COMING IN NOW. SO GOING INTO SOME OF OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, I'M VERY EXCITED, OF COURSE.

DEER CREEK PARK IS OUR NOWHERE PARK.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF KICKING OFF THE MASTER PLAN FOR THIS PARK FOR EVERY NEW PARK. WE DEVELOP A PARK MASTER PLAN THAT GUIDES HOW IT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.

WE SOLICIT PUBLIC INPUT. AND THE FIRST ROUND OF PUBLIC YOUR WILL BE COMING UP AT THE END OF AUGUST OR THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER. THERE WILL BE INFORMATION.

THERE WILL BE PROBABLY MEETINGS TO ALSO WE MET IN AND A LOT OF STAKEHOLDER LOOPS WILL ALSO BE INVOLVED.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INVITING THE PUBLIC TO COME VISIT THE PRE-MASTER PLAN PARKS.

THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME IN AND EXPLORE SOME PRIMITIVE TRAILS THAT WE HAVE CUT INTO THAT YOU CAN GET A FEEL OF THE LAND BEFORE YOU COME THE PUBLIC MEETINGS TO GIVE THESE IDEAS. THIS PHOTO IT REALLY DOES NOT GIVE JUSTICE TO SOME OF THE TOPIC -- TOPOGRAPHICAL CHANGES.

THERE IS SOME GROWING IN THIS PARK.

THERE IS A CREEK IN THE TREE LINE.

VERY WONDERFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WILL MAKE AN INCREDIBLE PARK FOR THE COMMUNITY. MOVING ON TO THE CLAY TOWNSHIP PROJECTS, VERY HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THEY ARE OPEN AND BEING

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WE HAVE THREE PARKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY CLOSED FOR RENOV RENOVATIONS. THE PORTION WITH -- JOE PERLMAN PAVILION AND THE PLAYGROUND BEHIND IT REMAIN OPEN.

AND THEN WE ALSO WILL HAVE ONE MORE PARK CLOSING SHORTLY.

I'M PROJECTING SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER.

THEY DID COME IN UNDER BUDGET. WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION STARTING AT THE END OF THIS SUMMER.

THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE WRAPPING UP AND ALL OF THE.

WILL BE OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC TO ENJOY NEXT SUMMER.

TALKING MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS AND THE PARKS THAT ARE CLOSE TO AND NO PART WAS EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

A NEW RESTROOM THAT IS SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD AND PICKLEBALL COURTS, WHICH SHOULD BE WELL ENJOYED BY THE PUBLIC. THAT IS A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE PARK. I -- IT ALSO INCLUDES A SMALL SLIDE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE WATER AT THE END.

I THINK THAT WILL BE A POPULAR FUTURE FOR THE KIDDOS AND FAMILIES. THIS IS WHAT THE PARK LOOKS LIKE TODAY. THE OLD STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN REMOVED. THEY WERE FINISHING UP REMOVING THE RESTROOM FACILITY IN THIS AREA.

THIS IS WORK WITH THE SPLASH PAD USE TO BE.

-- WHERE DO SPLASH PAD USE TO BE.

THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAD HAS BEEN SENSITIVE TO MINIMIZE WHAT WE ARE PUTTING INTO THE LAN LANDFILL.

ALL OF THE OLDER APARTMENT FURNISHINGS WHICH WERE TOWARDS THE END OF LIFE, BUT THEY WERE DONATED TO ANOTHER PARK SYSTEM IN THE STATE. ALL OF THE METAL FROM THE OLD SPLASH PAD WAS RECYCLED. THE BEAMS FOR THE OLD SHELTERS ARE ALSO GOING TO BE USED BY THE CONTRACTORS FOR OTHERS STRUCTURES. THEY ARE GETTING A NEW LIFE.

SO WE ARE EXCITED TO SEE THAT. MEADOWLARK PARK IS ANOTHER PARK THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. EXPANDED TRAILS ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PARK, WHERE THE PLAYGROUNDS USE TO BE.% AND THEN WE ARE ALSO PUTTING IN A NEW FISHING PIER IN THE LAKE.

CURRENTLY, IT IS CLOSED. SO COME BACK NEXT SUMMER.

ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THE NEW PLACEMENT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

AND A PHOTO OF WHAT THE SITE LOOKS LIKE CURRENTLY.

ALL OF THE OLD STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

THIS WHITE AREA IS THE NEW PARKING LOT AREA.

THE RESTROOM SHELTER STRUCTURE IS THERE.

THIS DIRT AND GET OVER HERE IS WHERE THE PLAYGROUND WILL BE.

AND THIS IS WORK WITH THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WILL BE LOCATED. AND CONNECTING TRAIL TO WHERE THE FISHING PIER WILL BE. IF SOMEONE IS IN A WHEELCHAIR, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET RIGHT ONTO IT.

WEST PARK, AGAIN, IS CURRENTLY CLOSED.

DISCIPLINE CONNECTING THE NEWER AND OLDER PORTIONS VEHICULAR LEAP AS WELL AS WITH TRAILS. EXPANDING PARKING AND TRADING A NEW DESTINATION AND SPLASH PAD. THEY WERE IN NEED OF REPLA REPLACEMENT. AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THAT PLACEMENT LOOKS LIKE. THE MAIN PLAYGROUND SIGNATURE PLAYGROUND WILL BE ON TOP OF A HILL.

AND THEN THE SPLASH PAD WILL BASICALLY BE IN A CANYON THAT FEELS LIKE THE WATER IS COMING OFF THE HIGHLANDS, IF YOU WILL, AND GOING INTO SORT OF A VISUAL NOT LITERAL, BUT KIND OF RETREATING THAT CREEK THAT WE USED TO HAVE.

AND AGAIN, HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.

A LOT OF DIRT, A LOT OF EARTHMOVING.

THE B BIG HILLS, WE NEEDED TO LT SETTLE.

WE COULD START REALLY CREATING THE PLAYGROUND.

SO WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. YOU CAN SEE TO NEW ROADWAY IS QUCUT IN. AND WORK WITH THE PLAY GRUNT IS GOING TO BE KIRK THE TOP PART OF IT IS WHERE THE PLAYGROUND.

YOU ARE BASICALLY AT THE ROOFLINE OF THE SHELTER THERE.

IT IS AN ACCESSIBLE RAMP. AND THEN RIGHT NOW, THIS IS ALL SORT OF DUG IN, BUILT INTO GET THERE.

THIS IS WHERE IT WILL BE CARVED OUT TO CREATE THAT CANYON FOR

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LIKE I SAID, HERITAGE PARK. WE JUST OPENED THE BID.

SO CONSTRUCTION WILL BE STARTING.

THE BIG IMPETUS OF THIS PROJECT IS CREATING A FULLY ACCESSIBLE TO NATURE TRAIL THAT GETS YOU ALL THE WAY TO PUT THAT RIVER.

WE WILL BE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND IT FITS IN WITH EVERYTHING THE GREATER COMMUNITY IS TRYING TO DO. AND YOU WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT IN FUTURE PRESENTATIONS, JUST NOT TODAY.

I SAID I WOULD CONCLUDE WITH ANOTHER INVITATION TO ANOTHER EVENT, AS WE INDICATED, FLOWING WELL IS NOW OPEN AND VERY MUCH BEING ENJOYED BY THE PUBLIC. WE ARE HAVING A RIBBON-CUTTING CEREMONY TOMORROW. 5:00 P.M. IS WHEN IT STARTS.

WE ARE WORKING WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

THERE WILL BE A SHORT PRESENTATION AT 5:30.

THE CEREMONY WILL BEGIN. ONCE THE CEREMONY CONCLUDES AROUND 6:00, WE WILL BE DOING SOME GUIDANCE -- GUIDED NATURE HIKES WITHIN THE PARK. AGAIN, THIS IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO COME.

IN CASE YOU ARE UNABLE TO COME, HERE'S WHAT THE RENOVATED PARK LOOKS LIKE ON THAT FRONT END OF IT.

THERE'S ALSO THE SLIGHTLY EXPANDED PARKING AREA.

WE HAVE NEW RESTROOMS WHICH ALLOWS FOR FURTHER STAYS.

AND YOU CAN ALSO KIND OF SEE THE NEW PEDESTRIAN CONNECTING TRAIL OFF THE PERIMETER TRAIL ALONG 116TH STREET SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THE PARKING LOT TO GET THROUGH THE PARK. WHAT IS REALLY EXCITING TO ME ABOUT THIS PARK AND THE RENOVATION IS A LOT OF IT WHICH DOES NOT SHOW UP ON DRONE FOOTAGE IS WE DID STABILIZATION.

THAT IS WHY IT TOOK SO LONG. HOWEVER, BY DRESSING UP THIS FRONT PORTION OF THE PARK, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE NEWLY DISCOVERED EVERYTHING THIS PARK HAS.

BEFORE WHEN I DROVE BY, YOU WOULD SEEK CARS IN THE PARKING LOT AND SYMPTOMS A LOT OF CARS. AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM WERE LINING UP TO GET WATER OUT OF THE FLOWING WELL.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS THE NAMESAKE OF THE PARK.

TO MAKE A WHAT IS SO EXCITING ABOUT THIS RENOVATION IS PEOPLE HAVE DISCOVERED THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

NOW WHEN YOU GO BY, IT IS ALMOST UNCOMMON TO SEE PEOPLE AT THE WELL AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE ON THE TRAILS, STOMPING IN THE CREEK AND JUST HAVING AN INCREDIBLE NATURE EXPERIENCE AND TO ME, THAT IS THE POWER THAT FLOWING WEALTH HAS ALWAYS HAD AND ALWAYS USED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A SECRET.

SO WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO OUT AND CHECK ONE OF OUR BEST NATURE PRESERVES IN THE COMMUNITY.

WITH THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE. I WOULD GUESS IF YOU SURVEYED CARMEL RESIDENTS, IF THEY WOULD RANK ORDER THEIR FAVORITE THINGS ABOUT CARMEL SCHOOLS AND PARKS WOULD PROBABLY BE RIGHT UP THERE. MAYBE IN THE SUMMER, WE WILL GET THE EDGE TO THE PARKS DEPA DEPARTMENT.

THE OTHER THING, SINCE WE HAVE GUESTS IN HOUSE, I WANT TO POINT OUT OF ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES COMPARED TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS IS THEY HAVE TO RUN BOTH REVENUE AND EXPENSES.

MOST OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE SET REVENUE AND THEY HAVE TO WORK AGAINST EXPENSES. HAS TO WORK WITH BOTH OF THOSE.

SO IT IS A CLOSED UNIT. IF YOU CAN IMAGINE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO RUN YOUR OWN BUDGET IN YOUR BUILDINGS OR YOUR BUSINESSES, THE IMPACT OF COVID ON YOU VERSUS THE PARKS AND THEN BEING ABLE TO TRY TO RECONCILE ALL OF THOSE CHANGES AND NOT JUST TO BE OPEN OR NOT OPEN? DO WE WEAR A MASK OR NOT WEAR A MASK? HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THESE FOLKS. I THINK THE STAFF HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB AND DESERVED ACCOLADES FOR THEIR.

WITH REGARDS TO THE INFORMATION YOU SHOWED, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT. I HAVE PERSONALLY BEEN TO CARRY ROAD, AS HAS MY GRANDSON. I HAVE BEEN TO CREEK STOMPING

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AND OF COURSE, BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND YOUR STAFF FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK AND I WANT TO POINT OUT AS THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, IN PARTICULAR, REALLY NAVIGATED VERY, VERY CHALLENGING SITU SITUATION. SO THANK YOU.

>> SUE FINKAM: COUNCILMEMBER? >> COUNCILMEMBER: DO YOU HAVE -- ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS GOING ON WITH REGARDS TO THE GRASS AT

MIDTOWN? >> MICHAEL: THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY.

MIDTOWN PLAZA IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE UNLIKE THE OTHER PARKS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, THAT ONE DOES NOT FULLY FALL UNDER MY COMPLETE PURVIEW.

SO I DON'T GET THE FINAL SAY. >> JEFF WORRELL: BUT YOU ARE

INVOLVED. >> MICHAEL: WE ARE INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. WE HAVE PRESENTED OPTIONS RANGING FROM TRYING TO MAINTAIN EXISTING GRASP TO PUTTING IN

ARTIFICIAL GRASS. >> JEFF WORRELL: SURE.

, MAINTAINS IT RIGHT NOW. >> MICHAEL: WE ARE RESPONSIBLE

FOR MAINTAINING IT. >> JEFF WORRELL: THANK YOU.

>> LAURA CAMPBELL: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT.

YOUR DEPARTMENT HAD TO MAKE SOME DIFFICULT STAFFING DECISIONS.

HAVE ANY OF THOSE JOBS COME BACK? AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY MORE OF THE JOBS COMING BACK?

>> MICHAEL: WE ENDED UP FURLOUGHING A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR STAFF. THEY ALL CAME BACK.

AS IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THE PARTICIPATION NUMBERS WERE NOT BOUNCNG BACK TO PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS AND THAT REVENUE WAS NOT EITHER, WE LAID OFF 20 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

WE HAVE BROUGHT BACK TWO AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING BACK A THIRD. A COUPLE OF THE POSITIONS WE WERE ABLE TO BRING BACK THE INDIVIDUALS WE LAID OFF BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL AVAILABLE. AS TIME CONTINUES TO GO ON, THEY HAVE FOUND OTHER POSITIONS. SO OBVIOUSLY, 17 DOWN STILL FROM WHERE WE ONCE WERE. 11 OF THEM, 12 OF THEM, ACTUALLY, WHERE WITH THAT BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM.

THE NUMBERS AND THAT PROGRAM HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, OF COURSE, THE PANDEMIC. THE SECOND OF ALL, BEFORE SCHOOL PROGRAM HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY HEARD BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE IN WHEN SCHOOLS START. THE PROGRAM IS ONLY ABOUT 45, 50 MINUTES. THERE ARE NUMBER OF PARENTS AS WELL AS PARENTS AND GUARDIANS THAT ARE WORKING FROM HOME THAT NO LONGER NEED THAT MORNING CARE.

SO THAT ONE, UNTIL THOSE NUMBERS REBOUND SIGNIFICANTLY, A LOT OF THE FULL-TIME STAFF THAT WERE LAID OFF LIKELY THOSE POSITIONS WILL BE RETURNING. MY GUESS IS PROBABLY A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. THE POSITIONS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTRIC THAT WE HAD TO ELIMINATE I THINK WILL BE THE ONCE THE COMEBACK FIRST JUST BECAUSE THOSE -- THAT AREA IS REBOUNDING

MUCH QUICKER. >> LAURA CAMPBELL: MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WILL THERE BE AN ADVANCE RESERVATION SYSTEM FOR

THE PICKLEBALL COURTS? >> MICHAEL: IT WILL BE FULL -- FIRST-COME, FIRST-SERVED. THERE WILL BE SOME SHADE NEXT TO THEM, TOO. YOU CAN HANGOUT IN THE SHADE.

BUT THERE IT WON'T BE -- IT WON'T BE A STAFFED FACILITY.

IT IS HARD TO PUT IN A RESERVATION SYSTEM BECAUSE OF

THAT. >> SUE FINKAM: COUNSELOR GREEN? A I HAD A QUESTION ON THE EXPENSES.

YOU SHOWED THE REVENUES THAT YOU HAD AND THE EXPENSES.

THE FIRST QUESTION WAS RELATED TO THE EXPENSES.

HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU HAD TO LET GO BUT YOU JUST TOUCHED ON IT AND INPUT RESPONSE TO HER, THE CAPACITY SIDE.

I KNOW THE TRACKS OPEN. WHAT IS AT THE WATER PARK CLICKED WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FLOW OF PEOPLE?

>> MICHAEL: FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, IT FEELS MORE SIMILAR TO PRE-COVID NUMBERS THAN NOT. ESPECIALLY WITH THE WATER PARK.

THE WATER PARK HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL AND BUSY THIS YEAR, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A NICE WARM DAY, WHICH IS NO

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IF THE FORECAST IS RAINY FOR THE NEXT DAY OR IT STARTS OUT RAINY, WE KNOW EVEN IF IT TURNS 90 AND SUNNY, IT IS GOING TO BE A SLOW DAY. THAT IS NO DIFFERENT PRE-PANDEMIC, POST-PANDEMIC, IF YOU CAN SEE POST PANDEMIC.

I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN SAY THAT YET.

BUT THE NUMBERS THERE HAVE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT.

AT THE WATER PARK AT WHAT WE ARE SEEING, THOUGH, IS A CHANGE IN -- HISTORICALLY, WE USED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER TURNOVER AT THE WATER PARK. SO WE HAVE, WHEN WE GET CLOSE TO THE CAPACITY BECAUSE WE WILL GO OUT, GO TO ONE OUT, ONE IN POLICY SO THAT WE ARE ALWAYS PROVIDING A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE PUBLIC. IT USED TO BE WHEN WE WOULD GET TO THE WENT OUT, ONE IN THRESHOLD, IT MIGHT BE AT MOST A 30 TO 45-MINUTE WAIT TO GET IN. WE ARE FINDING THAT PEOPLE ARE STAYING MUCH LONGER. IT MIGHT BE PENT UP DEMAND.

PEOPLE WANT TO BE OUT AND WITH OTHERS.

SO PEOPLE ARE STAYING LONGER. AND SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY ON THE HARBOR DAYS, WE ARE FIGHTING THAT THAT COULD GET UP TO TWO TO THREE HOURS. WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE PUT SOME MAGIC -- MESSAGING ON OUR FACEBOOK FEEDS SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE. WE ALSO HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE RED, YELLOW, GREEN SO THAT YOU KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY THAT MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO COME. OR COME AT A DIFFERENT TIME.

SO WE PROVIDED THOSE MECHANISMS. FOR THE INDOOR FACILITY, SUMMER IS ALWAYS A SLOWER TIME. IT IS STILL SLOWER.

OUR OVERALL MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS ARE NOT BACK TO WORK WHAT THEY WERE IN THE HEIGHT OF 2019, BUT WE DO CONTINUE TO SEEK POSITIVE GROWTH, WHICH IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE SUMMER.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL GET MEMBERSHIP FOR THE WATER PARK.

WE SEE THE NUMBER OF PROGRAMS CERTAINLY ARE NOT WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE WE CONTINUE TO GROW THOSE AND THOSE ARE BASED ON DEMAND. FOR US, FOR OUR OPERATIONS, FOR OUR STAFFING, IT IS VERY DRIVEN BY THE DEMAND THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PUBLIC. AS WE SEE THE DEMAND INCREASE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO. OFFER MORE AND MORE PROGRAMS WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO BRING MORE STAFF BACK.

>> SUE FINKAM: COUNSELOR WRITER? >> KEVIN "WOODY" RIDER: I WAS NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT I WANTED TO PROP YOU UP A LITTLE BIT. PEOPLE DON'T REMEMBER PRIOR TO 2010 WHEN IT WAS RUN PRETTY MUCH AS A NORMAL COMMUNITY CENTER.

WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS AND IMPLEMENT IT SOME CHANGES.

TYPICAL CENTER NATIONWIDE HAS ONE TYPE OF COST RECOVERY.

>> MICHAEL: THEY ARE IN THE 30, 35% AT MOST.

>> ANTHONY GREEN: -- >> KEVIN "WOODY" RIDER: AND WHAT HAVE YOU AVERAGE? I DON'T THINK I NEED TO THAT SAY ANYTHING ELSE. THAT YOU COULD THAT LOOKED BAD BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC IS BETTER THAN AN AVERAGE NEW COOKBOOK THAT MOST COMMUNITY CENTERS.

>> MICHAEL: THANK YOU. >> SUE FINKAM: COUNSELOR HANDED.

>> TIM HANNON: MY COMMENT COME ALL ABOUT GREEN SUMS. I WILL PROVE THAT. AT THIS POINT, IT IS PROBABLY MORE ECOLOGICAL AS WELL AS ECONOMIC AND LET ALONE GETTING PEOPLE OUT THERE TYPICAL TO SOME SORT OF ARTIFICIAL TURF.

IF YOU GO TO THE HAMILTON TOWN CENTER, THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. WE HAVE DONE THAT AND A LOT OF THE PARKS AND AREAS AS WELL. THAT IS SORT OF MY KNOWLEDGE.

WE ARE PROBABLY BEYOND THAT POINT.

JUST GO INTO AN ARTIFICIAL SURFACE AND SPEND LESS MONEY.

AND IT IS A LOT MORE FUNCTIONAL THAN IT WAS IN THE PAST.

I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. >> SUE FINKAM: SO FOR THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE AUGUST 3RD AT 5:00.

>> MICHAEL: AUGUST 3RD, 5:00 FLOWING WELL RIBBON-CUTTING CEREMONY. AUGUST 17, 3:00 P.M., IS OUR 30TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION. AND THE RAISING OF THE BANNER

FOR THE GOLD-MEDAL. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> MICHAEL: THANK YOU.

TOURNAMENT NEXT UP IS THE PUBLIC ARE COMMITTEE ANNUAL REPORT.

WITH JULIA. WE TRIED TO GET YOU IN HERE EARLIER AND WE BE NEW TO THE PUNCH.

THANKS FOR COMING HERE TONIGHT. >> PRESENTER: THAT EVENING, EVERYBODY. I WANT TO GIVE REGARD CLOSER TO MAYOR BRAINARD AND COUNSELORS AINPARTICULAR COUNSEL MORELLO BECAUSE HE SPONSORED THE ORIGINAL ONE.

HE ATTENDS REGULARLY. I DON'T.

LET ME TELL YOU.

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I WANT TO GIVE REGARD TO COUNSELOR MOREL.

HE ALONG WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT P COME SPONSORED THE ORDINANCE.

THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE GAVE THE COMMITTEE SCOPED RELATIVE TO A LOCATION FOR A PIECE OF ART. THE EXPANDED ORDINANCE GAVE THE COMMITTEE THE ADVISORY OPPORTUNITY RELATIVE TO THE PURCHASE OF A PIECE OF ART FOR THE CITY.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE ALSO APPRECIATE MANY OF YOU HAVE PARTICIPATED WITH THAT COMMITTEE MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THIS LAST YEAR, PARTICULARLY VIA MICROSOFT TEAMS. SO WE DO APPRECIATE THAT INVOLVEMENT.

THE COMMITTEE ROSTER AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE A VERY ENGAGED COMMITTEE WITH MEMBERS WHO BRING VERY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND VALUE TO THE OUTCOMES THAT WE PRODUCE.

AND PERSPECTIVE INCLUDES RELATIVE TO THE PUBLIC ARE, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, PUBLIC PACIFIC SPACE DEPARTMENT AND MANAGEMENT. I THINK IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT YOU EACH APPOINTED A DOZEN THE WE HAVE A GOOD ROSTER THAT BRINGS VALUE AND EXPERTISE. I COMMEND EACH OF YOU ON THAT.

DENIED MEMBERS MEMBERS ARE AS FOLLOWS.

KAREN CULTURE OF THE COMMITTEE. KATHY STRAWN BILL COOLER SPELLING] ALL PARTICIPATE AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

OUR ACTIVITY OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR HAS BEEN PRETTY ROBUST AND HAS GONE BEYOND JUST COMMENTING AND PROVIDING ADVICE RELATIVE TO A PIECE OF ART. I WILL START WITH WHAT HAS GONE BEYOND. SINCE OUR SCOPE WAS EXPANDED, WE NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND, WHAT ARE OUR FEEDBACK HEADS? TO BE LIKE IT LOOKS TO WE NEEDED TO BE MORE DEFIANT THAN THAT.

SO WE DID DEVELOP SOME POINTS TO FOCUS ON.

WE WANT A BALANCE BETWEEN LOCAL ARTISTS AND THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD. THEY ARE FEATURES.

AS WELL AS THE SENSE OF PLACE THAT THAT ARE CONTRIBUTES.

THE IMAGE, DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT AS WE REGARD THESE PIECES AND ULTIMATELY, ECONOMIC IMPACT.

THAT IS MORE DIFFICULT TO MEASURE.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT CONTRIBUTES BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT A FEW MORE OBJECTIVE ELEMENTS. THAT WILL BE THE MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THAT WENT ABOUT AT THAT PIECE OF ART AS WELL.

DID THAT PIECE OF ART COMPLETE ANY REVIEW BY ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE CITY, WHETHER IT IS A SIGNED -- SIGNAGE ORDINANCE OR ANY LEGAL REVIEW THAT MAY BE NEEDED FOR THE PARTICULAR PIECE OF ART? WE ARE MEETING IN PERSON, JUST LIKE ALL OF YOU ARE. JENNIFER STITES IS THE STAFF PERSON FROM THE CITY THAT WORKS WITH US.

I APPRECIATE THAT SHE IS HANDLING THE MINUTES RATHER THAN THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

SHE IS ALSO POSTING ALL OF THE WEBSITE INFORMATION AND KEEPING IT UP-TO-DATE FOR US. AND IF THERE'S ANY INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, SHE DOES FORWARD THAT TO US.

SO SHE IS DOING A GREAT JOB. WE WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN YOUR PROCESS LAST FALL. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PLAN IS COMPLETED JUST COMPLETED YET. WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A SESSION AND PROVIDE INPUT AND THOUGHTS ON WHAT MIGHT BE INCLUDED.

WE HAVE REVIEWED SEVERAL SUBMISSIONS.

WA COUPLE DENVER MENTIONED EARLIER TONIGHT, LIKE TABER AND THE PUBLIC ARE ROUNDABOUT THAT MIGHT BE COMING.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE AS WELL.

OUR NEXT MEETING AUGUST 17TH IN PERSON.

RIGHT HERE IN CAUCUS ROOM ONE. YOU ARE WELCOME TO JOIN US.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE. YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT OR QUESTION

FOR ME? >> SUE FINKAM: COUNCIL?

>> COUNCILMEMBER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE EXTEND OUR THANKS. GREAT REPORT.

>> JULIA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU, JULIA.

I APPRECIATE IT. NEXT UP IS THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL REPORT. THIS REPORT WAS MADE AVAILABLE IN OUR PACKET AS A LINK IN OUR AGENDA.

IF ANYONE WANTS TO WE DID IT, IT IS AVAILABLE.

THE PACKETS SIT UNDER THE CARAMEL CITY COUNCIL SECTION BOTH IN THE AGENDA ENTER PACKET AREA AREA AND WILL BE IN THE MINUTES AS WELL. JUST TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW, AGAIN, THE PACKET IS AVAILABLE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO DETAIL HERE. ABBY LUTZ COUNSELORS MAKE THEIR OWN COMMENTS. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT OVERCOOKED IN LATE JANUARY 2020, JUST AS HUMANS PRIOR TO

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AND THREE DAYS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THEY WERE MOVED BACK TO MAY BECAUSE OF COVID.

THE REVIEW INCLUDED THE RESULTS OF THE ANNUAL AUDIT PERFORMED BY THE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS. THIS.

BASICALLY ATTEMPTS TO SUMMARIZE ALL OF THE INFORMATION RECEIVED.

THE MAJORITY OF THE PORT IS ATTACHMENTS AND EXHIBITS.

THE ENTIRE TRANSCRIPT OF ALL THREE DAYS ARE INCLUDED IN THE.

AS WELL AS ANY ATTACHMENTS THAT WE CAN FIND THAT SUPPORTED THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE REPORT.

SPECIFICALLY, AFTER THE REVIEW, THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS COULD BE ANSWERED. WHAT HAPPENED THAT A $40 MILLION ESTIMATE RESULTED IN A FINAL BUDGET? PROBABLY THE BIGGEST FINDING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE WAS UNRELIABLE.

WE KNEW AND I SEE THOSE OF US ON COUNSEL AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WERE AT THE MEETING, THE DISCUSSION WAS HAD THAT THIS WAS AN ESTIMATE. THEY SAID WE SHOULD HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THIS ESTIMATE. IT WAS DONE IN CONJUNCTION, IN TANDEM WITH EXPERTS SUCH AS CORY HOSPITALITY AND OTHERS WHO WERE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.

AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE, I CAN TELL YOU WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS ESTIMATE AND A LOT OF TIME ON THE PERFORMANCE.

AND WE FELT VERY GOOD ABOUT THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE MOVING FORWARD. AFTER CARMEL CITY COUNCIL APPROVED FUNDING, SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS WERE MADE INCLUDING ADDITIONAL 7,000 SQUARE FEET ADDED TO THE HOTEL FROM THE GATHERING SPACE. THEY ADDED SIGNIFICANT COST AND AT THE TIME, OUR PARTNERS WERE ALSO LOOKING TO SEEK AN AUTOGRAPHED HOTEL FLAG. AND THAT REQUIRED THINGS THAT WERE NOT COMPARABLE IT DOES CONTEMPLATIVE POWER TO.

THAT ADDED COST AS WELL. MULTIPLE FACTORS ALSO RESULTED IN BIDS COMING IN HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED.

INCREASE IN LABOR COST. INCREASE IN TARIFFS.

THE ADDITION OF TARIFFS. THE INCREASE IN COST OF STEELS AND OTHER GOODS. INCREASED USE OF CONSULTANTS, WHOSE AUTOGRAPH FLAG. AGAIN, IN ADDITION TO THE EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE, THESE ALL RESULTED IN HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED COSTS. THE COMMISSION ALSO ADDED ADVANCEMENTS WHICH ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ESTIMATE.

THEY ARE NOT EDITED THE BUDGET. IT WAS JUST MOVING THE ITEMS. AND ULTIMATELY, AS I SAY IN THE REPORT THAT ENDS UP BEING A POSITIVE THING FOR THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE WILL GET THOSE COSTS REIMBURSED. THEY ALSO WORKED TO EVALUATE AND REDUCE COSTS. ROUGHLY $5 MILLION.

THE TOTAL, HAVE BEEN HIGHER. WE TALKED ABOUT EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION IN PARTICULAR TO THE PUBLIC.

IT WAS CLEARLY LACKING THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

WERE APPROPRIATE PROCESSES FOLLOWED? WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE STATE CODE.

AND ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE CRC. IT APPEARS TO BE OPERATED AND PROVIDED. THE CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER NOT THEY COULD GRANT PROPERTY TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS AND THEN BACKSTOP PAYMENT AGREEMENTS ALMOST LIKE COSIGNING A LOAN, IF YOU WILL. AND THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING THE ROLE OF THE CD CDC'S.

THEY DO NOT REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL TO FINANCE THE PROJECT.

ALL TRANSACTIONS WERE LEGAL AND PROPER IF NOT CONFUSING TO GENERAL PUBLIC. SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE COMPLEX. AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS, SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS REQUIRED -- REQUESTED.

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FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT ALL COMMUTE EXPERTS COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS JUST TO ALLOW US TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS SHOULD THEY BE INTERESTED IN DOING SO.

A BY ANGLETON PRESENT REPORT SUCH AS WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD TONIGHT. AGREE TO ALLOW THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL TO APPOINT ONE NUMBER, JUST LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL ALREADY HAS WITH THE CARMEL CITY CENTER.

RECOGNIZED AS COMPONENT UNITS OF THE CITY AND BE INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL AUDIT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARDS APPROVE ANY FUNDS. AND THAT THEY MUST APPLY SUFFICIENT CASH CONTROLS PER THE ORDINANCE WHICH IS OUR CASH CONTROL ORDINANCE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE USING CHECKS AND WIRES. DO NOT ALLOW PROPERLY FOR TEXT MANAGEMENT RECONCILIATION. THIS IS BASIC GOOD ACCOUNTING THAT WE WANT TO SEE DONE IN ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONS.

WE WOULD ALSO LIKE EACH CORPORATION TO PRESENT ITS BUDGET. WE HAVE TWO SESSIONS EVERY HERE IN SEPTEMBER THAT ARE PUBLICLY BROADCAST.

ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS COME IN TO PRESENT THE BUDGET.

WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO DO THAT AS WELL.

AND THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC HOW TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING USED.

THEY DO HAVE SEPARATE POWERS. AND THE CITY AND COMPTROLLER MUST HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF AND BE A SIGNATORY OF ALL BANK INTERESTS TO THE ACCOUNT. ADDITIONALLY, AS A RESULT OF THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL'S BUILT IN THE CONFUSION AROUND THE PUBLIC, MENTORING, WE ARE ADDRESSING MORE TRANSPARENT.

AND PROVIDE MORE ACCURATE AND SUPPORT BUT MENTATION AS IT RELATES TO BUDGETS AND TRACKING AGAINST EACH.

THIS WAS A POINT OF CONTENTION IN OUR DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE THE MONTHLY REPORTS WERE DELIVERED WITH 40 MILLION-DOLLAR BUDGET NUMBER IN THEM WHEN CLEARLY THE DOLLARS AMOUNTS HAD FAR EXCEEDED THAT. AND THERE WAS SOME ANTIDOTAL CONVERSATIONS. IF WE ARE ASKING THEM TO COME HERE AND EXPLAIN WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE PROJECT, WE WANT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE PROJECT.

THE COMMISSION SHOULD SEND BUDGET PACKETS AND INVITE THEM TO ATTEND ITS ANNUAL BUDGET MEETINGS.

THIS WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW MANY.

HE SAID THAT WOULD SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS.

WE LAID IT ON THEY WOULD SEND IT TO THE COUNCIL AND THEY COULD GO TO THE BUDGET PROCESS. THE CARMEL BE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION SHOULD SEND AN UPDATED BUDGET PRO FORMA FOR THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL, MARKED AS CONFIDENTIAL IF REQUIRED AND WE ARE GETTING REQUESTS ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE HOTEL.

AS COUNSELOR NELSON ASKED HER BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF THIS HOTEL. THE COMMISSION BOARD MUST APPROVE ANY FUNDS EXPENDED BY THE CARMEL BE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT APPROVING ANY TYPE OF CASH OR EXPENDITURES THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE NOT AWARE OF. THEY SHALL NOTIFY COUNCIL PARTS OF THE TRANSCRIPT. THE READER MOMENT COMMISSION SHOULD NOTIFY COUNSEL OF ANY GRANT AGREEMENTS IT ENTERS INTO WITH OTHER ENTITIES. AND THE CITY CONTROLLER MUST HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF, EXES TO, AND SIGNATORY ON ALL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATE BANK AND TRUST ACCOUNTS.

THE CARMEL CITY COUNCIL SHOULD AMEND CITY CODE TO CHANGE THE AGENDAS THAT REFLECT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION PRESENTATIONS AND PROVIDE FINANCIAL UPDATE FOR THE CARMEL BE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION. THIS IS LARGELY IN THE AT OUR LONG-STANDING APPOINTEE. MORE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN ADDITION TO THAT AS WELL. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSES OBTAINING MORE INFO PRICE CAPITAL PROJECT. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ALONG PREVIOUS ACTIONS EARLIER THIS YEAR WE HAD A LOT% OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POLICE EXPANSION AND RENOVATION PROJECT. AND WORK WITH THE COUNCIL REQUESTED THE FINANCE COMMITTEE LOOK AT THE D.O.T. VERSUS CMC

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I THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION WERE TARRED TO MAKE SURE THAT PROCESS WAS PUT IN PLACE.

AND WE HOPE THAT LEADS TO SUCCESS WITH OUR PROJECT.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WORK WITH THE MAYOR THE DETERMINE THE FUNCTION TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH HOW THE CONTROLLER FUNCTIONS. THAT WAS A QUICK AND DIRTY OVERVIEW. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST OPEN UP TO COUNCILMEMBERS FOR COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO COUNSELORS? >> SUE FINKAM: COUNSELOR.

>> TIM HANNON: I WANT -- I'M SURE IT TOOK COUNTLESS HOURS TO GET THIS DONE. AND AGAIN, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MUCH WORK IT DID. I ALSO BOOKED SECOND HER COMMENT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC READ THE REPORT.

IT IS INTIMIDATING BECAUSE IT IS 300 ANDX PAGES.

AS IN ALL THE REPORT, IT IS PROBABLY 20 PAGES OR A LITTLE BIT LESS. AND THAT RECOMMENDATIONS.

I DO RECOMMEND THAT EVERYONE READ THE REPORT.

WE MADE IT PUBLIC BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE DO FROM A TRANSPARENCY TEN-POINT. AND I WILL SAY UPFRONT, I FULLY ENDORSE THE FINDINGS AND THAT RECOMMENDATIONS.

I WON'T GO THROUGH IN DETAIL BECAUSE I THINK COUNSEL FREAK HIM HAVE DONE THAT MAJOR FINDINGS.

THE ONE THAT I GUESS WOULD BE A SURPRISE TO ME WAS THAT ESTIMATE THAT WAS PRESENTED AT FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING AND THE PUBLIC MEETINGS WAS LATER DESCRIBED IN THESE HEARINGS AS BEING A SHOT IN THE DARK AND A LOOSE ASSUMPTIONS.

AS MANY OF YOU NO, I WAS NOT FOR THIS HOTEL FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER DONE BY A PRIVATE CITIZEN. I ATTENDED ALL OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETINGS. I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN FINANCE AS WELL. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IN ALL OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, THERE WAS NEVER ANY ASTERISK ONE, OR ANY -- ANYTHING ELSE THAT SAID, BY THE WAY, THIS IS A LOOSE ASSESSMENT, SHOP IN THE DARK. IT TURNS OUT THAT ESSENTIALLY, THAT $40 MILLION WAS BASED ON A LOOSE ANALOGY TO THE IRONWORKS WE ASKED, IRON ORE -- WAS PARKED AS THE CONSTRUCTION PARTNER.

THEY WERE GIVEN, I THINK SIX, A AND A HALF PAGES OF ROUGH CONCEPT DIAGRAMS OF THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL.

SAID, EXTRACT DATA FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE AT IRONWORKS, WHICH IS NOT THE SAME AS HOTEL CARMICHAEL.

AND THAT IS WHERE A LOT OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS COME FROM.

I WOULD SAY, AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AT THE TIME, ABSURDLY WAS NOT AVAILABLE AND SHOULD HAVE AN ASTERISK BECAUSE I THINK THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED THE PUBLIC OPINION AND MAY HAVE CHANGED SOME OF THE DECISIONS. WE DON'T KNOW.

THE SECOND THING THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND TO ME, THIS WAS NOT A SURPRISE. THERE WERE NO RULES, STATUTES, VIOLATED TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. THAT DOES NOT SURPRISE ME.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A COMPLEMENT OR A CRITICISM.

THERE'S A LOT OF LAWYERS. I PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY SURPRISED HAD THERE BEEN SOME SORT OF RULES OR RELATIONS VIOLATED. IF YOU READ THE REPORT AND GO INTO THE DETAIL THAT HAD TO EARTH OCCUR TO THAT MUCH MONEY WITHOUT COUNCIL OR NOTIFICATION OR APPROVAL TO A VARIETY OF COMPLEX MEDICINE -- MECHANISMS. ESSENTIALLY REMORTGAGING TWO PUBLIC PROPERTIES TO DO ALL OF THAT WITHOUT A REQUIREMENT, FIDUCIARY OR OTHERWISE, REQUIREMENT FOR REPORTING OR APPROVAL I WOULD SAY IS A PROBLEM.

THIS IS NOT JUST SORT OF A WAKE-UP CALL.

I THINK THIS SHOULD BE A VEHICLE CALLED CULT FOR OTHER CITY COUNCILS. LEIGH SEARCY CAN DO THIS COMPLETELY LEGALLY BUT WITHOUT THAT LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION AND CORONATION. I DON'T SET STATE STATUTE.

BUT ULTIMATELY TOOK WHERE WE ARE IN AGAIN, WHAT CAN WE DO MOVING

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ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WHEN I FIRST REVIEWED THIS IS TO SAY, CRC SHALL DO THIS BUT THESE ARE NOT RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT GETS BACK TO THE BASIC PROBLEM HERE WE ASK COUNCIL, A GOVERNING BODY, IT DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER STATE LAW FOR MANY OF THESE THINGS, OTHER THAN TO STRONGLY RECOMMEND LIKE I THINK THAT IS DISTURBING BECAUSE NOT BEING A STATE LEGISLATURE, IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE HOPE AND TO A LARGE DEGREE.

, ESPECIALLY WITH PUBLIC NOTICE ELECTED THAT THEY WILL MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO ENACT THE G LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE.

ON A VERY POSITIVE NOTE, I WANTED TO END ON A POSITIVE NO.

WE WILL DO THE GOOD THING SANDWICH.

IS THAT COUNSEL FREAK HIM TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THE THINGS ALREADY IN PLACE TO IMPROVE THIS IS WE A RESOLUTION BASED UPON RECENT CHANGES IN STATE LAW THAT WHEN WE DO PUBLIC-PRIVATE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN DO THAT USING A BOT. I'M ACTUALLY ONE OF FIVE MEMBERS THAT ARE ACCOUNTABLE ON THAT PARTICLE OR TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS DONE RIGHT SO THAT MY COMMENTS HERE IS THE BENEFITS OF THE B.O.T. FOR STATION AND AS ASKED, THAT NUMBER ONE, THERE IS AN OPEN, TRANSPARENT, AND A POLITICAL PROCESS.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW SHE'LL SEXTON WAS SELECTED AS THE PARTNER FOR THE HOTEL CARMICHAEL. I CAN TELL YOU WITH CERTAINTY WHAT THE PROCESS WAS TO SELECT THE PARTNER FOR THE HOTEL.

IT WAS A VERY OPEN PROCESS. IT REQUIRED AN RPQ THAT WENT OUT TO ALL INTERESTED PARTIES. IN THE DOCUMENTATION OF THAT RPQ -- RFPQ, ANYONE WHO WAS GOING TO BID ON THIS PROJECT WAS GIVEN NOTICE THAT THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO CONTACT ANYONE WHO WAS GOING TO BE ON THE DISPUTE -- DECISION-MAKING TEAM, WHICH WAS FIVE OF US, NOR COULD THEY CONTACT ANY ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT THE BIDDING PROCESS. IF THE DATE DID CONTACT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, THEY WERE AUTOMATICALLY DISQUALIFIED.

I THINK THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOTABLE IN THE PROCESS.

GOING ON IT IS LED BY FIVE ACCOUNTABLE TO MEMBERS.

I'M SORRY, ON THE POLICE STA STATION.

THOSE FIVE MEMBERS ARE ME AS A COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE, CHIEF OF POLICE, JUDGE, BLANKING, SORRY. POINDEXTER, SORRY.

JUDGE POINDEXTER. DIRECTOR OF DEMONSTRATION.

AND DIRECTOR ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR JANELLE FAIRMAN.

THAT TEAM WILL FOLLOW THIS THREAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW WHAT IS ABLE TO FIND PLAN OF ATTACK TIMELINES, ACCOUNTABILITY, COMMUNICATION. IT IS GOING TO BE BUTTONED UP.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT. AND FOR THE FINAL THINK FOR THOSE WORRIED ABOUT APPROPRIATE USE OF FUNDS, IS THIS REQUIRES AS PART OF THE CONTRACTING PROCESS WHAT IS CALLED A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. WITHIN SIX MONTHS, THE SELECTED PARTNER WHO HAPPENED TO THE ON POINT HAS TO PRESENT DOES FIVE-MEMBER TEAM WHAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE FOR, HOW MUCH WILL THIS COST UPON THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN LAID OUT.

AND ONCE WE AGREE TO IT, THEY ARE ON THE HOOK.

IF THEY GO OVER BUDGET, IT IS OUT OF THEIR POCKET, NOT OURS.

I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT ULTIMATELY THE GOAL OF THIS INVESTIGATION WAS TO TRY TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, THERE'S ONE POSITIVE STEP THAT WAS SHUNTED -- SANCTIONED BY THIS COUNSEL. AND I HOPE NOT ONLY IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE DO WITH THE FUTURE, BUT I THINK IT IS A ROADMAP FOR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL.

THANK YOU. >> SUE FINKAM: ANY OTHER

COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> LAURA CAMPBELL: THANK YOU,

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SO DO WE NEED TO VOTE TO ACCEPT THE.

TONIGHT? AT WHAT IS OUR NEXT STEP?

>> SUE FINKAM: I WOULD APPRECIATE A MOTION IN THAT

REGARD. >> LAURA CAMPBELL: DEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THAT REPORT.

>> COUNCILMEMBER: SECOND. >> SUE FINKAM: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I KNOW COUNSELOR GREEN WAS WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

ALL IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE REPORT RECOMMENDATION? SIGNIFIED BY VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNSELOR GREEN THANK YOU,

COUNSELOR CAMPBELL. >> ANTHONY GREEN: I WANTED TO REITERATE SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.

THE SEVEN OF US ALL AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE PROCESS OF LOOKING THROUGH THE PROPOSAL AND IT WAS VERY -- WE MET MEETING AFTER MEETING THINK WAS VERY DILIGENT.

EVERYONE ASKED QUESTIONS BUT EVEN THOUGH ULTIMATELY GOT YOU LOOK THE SEVEN OF US DID NOT AGREE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT AND DISCUSSION AND DEBATE AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WAS VERY THRILLED.

IT WAS JUST SURPRISING THAT THE ESTIMATE AND THE EVENTUAL COST WAS AS FAR OFF AS IT WAS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, THE DECISION WAS NOT KIND OF JAMS RIGHT THROUGH.

THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT AND DISCUSSION.

BUT THE ONE THING I WANTED TO KIND OF DISCUSS AND BRING UP OR THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HEARD HENRY, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT ALL EXPENDITURES YOU KNOW, DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, THE DISTANT -- EXPENDITURES AND AGREEMENTS ARE ALL MADE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS BY A PUBLIC VOTE.

YOU KNOW? BUT IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE AGENDAS, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE BASED ON THE AGENDAS YOU SEE.

AND IF EVERYTHING -- AND I'M NOT DOUBTING EVERY THING DID GO THROUGH A PUBLIC MEETING. BUT WITH A PUBLIC MEETING AND PUBLIC VOTE THAT OCCURRED WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT TRANSACTIONS, INDIANAPOLIS STAR, THE I BJ HAD NO IDEA FOR OVER A-YEAR ANYTHING WENT ON. AND EXTRA EXPENDITURES.

IT IS HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THE ENTIRE MEDIA WAS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL. NOT ONLY WAS THE MEDIA NOT MAKING ANY STORIES ABOUT IT, WHICH THEY CLEARLY DID ONCE THE STORY BROKE OVER 12 MONTH LATER, WAS, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY ALL OF THE COUNSELORS. BUT MOST OF THE CITY COUNCIL HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON. THE PUBLIC HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND THE MEMBER OF -- MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WERE DOUBTFUL OF THE CARMICHAEL DECISION FROM THE BEGINNING. A COUPLE OF VOTERS SITTING IN THE SEATS HERE, THEY WOULD HAVE JUMPED ALL OVER IT IF THEY KNEW, IF THERE WAS PUBLIC -- EVERYTHING WAS TAKING PLACE IN PUBLIC MEETINGS BY PUBLIC VOTE. I DON'T DOUBT IT WAS PROBABLY MEETINGS BY PUBLIC VOTES. THERE IS A HUGE DISCONNECT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC DID NOT KNOW. THAT IS KIND OF A FAILURE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES OF HENRY OR THE CRC, SOME INDIVIDUALS, WHETHER THEY ARE COUNSELORS OR NOT, WHO KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON BUT JUST FAILED TO DISCLOSE IT TO THE OVERALL COUNCIL. THAT IS THE ONLY STATEMENT THAT

I WANT TO MAKE. >> RON CARTER: THANK YOU, COUNSELOR GREEN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> ADAM AASEN: I LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT REPORT.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MAYBE DISCUSSING SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR A FINANCE COMMITTEE OR NOT.

MAYBE DISCUSS SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORT.

>> SUE FINKAM: I THINK IF YOU WANT TO TAKE AND ACTIONS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, CHANGING OUR AGENDA, RIGHT? AND ALSO, WE DID DISCUSS THIS. MAXIMUM TRANSPARENCY FOR WHAT IS IT WORSE. DID YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COM

COMMENT? >> TIM HANNON: WE JUST APPROVED BOTH THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD IS LIKELY FINANCE COMMITTEE.

MANY OF THESE INSTANCES, IT MAY BE A RESOLUTION, NOT AN ORDINANCE. IT MAY BE REFERENDUMS 20

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NEVER AGAIN, SO TO SPEAK. >> SUE FINKAM: COUNSELOR NELSON? DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA IS 12, OLD

[12. OLD BUSINESS]

ESTABLISHING THE POLICY BY WHICH MEMBERS MAY PARTICIPATE BY ELECTRONIC MEANS OF COMMUNICATION.

>> JEFF WORRELL: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT.

THEY TOOK THIS UP, I BELIEVE, THE DRIVER OF THE RESOLUTION.

SO AT FINANCE COMMITTEE, WE BASICALLY DIVIDED THIS REALLY INTO TWO SECTIONS. IT WAS PRESENTED TO US WITH BEING ABLE TO ATTEND TWO CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS.

PAR IN A VIRTUAL MANNER.

THE FINANCE COMMITTEE FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND KEEPING BUSINESS MOVING AND CERTAINLY THE IMPORTANCE OF ATTENDING A COUNCIL MEETING EXCEPT FOR EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO WE OUR RETURNING TO YOU AND I WOULD JUST READ STARTING AT LINE 69, A MEMBER IT MAY NOT ATTEND MORE THAN 50% OF COUNCIL COMMITTEE MEETINGS IN A COUNTER HERE UNLESS THE MEMBER'S ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION IS DUE TO THE FOLLOWING KEPT MILITARY SERVICE, ILLNESS, OR OTHER RELEVANT CONDITION.

AS A COUNSELOR, STARTING ON LINE 77, A MEMBER MAY ATTEND TWO CONSECUTIVE COUNCIL COMMITTEE MEETINGS, A SET OF MEETINGS BY ELECTRONIC INDICATION. MEMBER MUST ATTEND IN PERSON AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL COMMITTEE MEETING BETWEEN SUCH A MEETING SO THAT THE MEMBER ATTENDS BY ELECTRONIC INDICATION UNLESS THE MEMBER'S ABSENCE IS DUE TO THE SAME LIST AS ABOVE.

THIS IS VERSION 8. AND I'M GOING TO TOSS OUT A MOTION. WE RETURN THIS, EXCUSE ME.

WE RETURNED THIS TO THE FULL COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE

RECOMMENDATION 3-0. >> COUNCILMEMBER: MADAM PRESIDENT, DID I HEAR THAT AS A MOTION TO PASS OR MEN?

>> SUE FINKAM: TO AMEND. IS THAT YOU DID.

>> COUNCILMEMBER: SECOND. >> SUE FINKAM: THE MOTION TO AMEND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ADAM KLOTZ

COUNCILOR HANNON? >> TIM HANNON: I THINK IT IS SMART THAT WE DO THIS. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY.

IT IS NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE. BUT AGAIN, IT SOUNDED REAS REASONABLE. YOU HIT THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN?

>> JEFF WORRELL: SURE. I DID NOT PREFERENCE.

THIS IS ACTUALLY REQUIRED. THERE IS A STATE STATUTE IN PLACE. I BELIEVE IT WENT INTO EFFECT TODAY, AUGUST 1ST. SOMETHING CHANGE.

BUT THIS IS NOW TO CONTROL OUR MEETINGS BUT THEY SET SOME GUIDELINES IN OUR PARAMETERS COULD BE MORE RESTRICTIVE NOT LESS RESTRICTIVE. SO GO AHEAD, JOHN.

>> WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING UNDER THE GOVERNOR'S EMERGENCY ORDER.

THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION WITH MORE LENIENT RULES FOR ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION IN MEETINGS.

THESE RULES WILL ALLOW COUNCIL TO PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY.

>> WE WILL CONTINUE TO OFFER OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS VIRTUALLY ALSO. BUT AS A COMMITTEE PERSON THAT IS ON THAT COMMITTEE CAN ATTEND UP TO 50% OF THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS VIRTUALLY. FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, IT IS JUST TWO. AND IF I REMEMBER QUICKLY, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH QUITE A BIT. THERE MUST BE ONE MEETING BETWEEN THE TWO MEETINGS. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> FOR THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, YOU CAN ATTEND TWO CONSECUTIVE LEE IF YOU ARE GOING TO ATTEND MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE ELECTRONICALLY. YOU HALF TO PARTICIPATE ONE IMPRISONED IN BETWEEN THOSE SETS OF MEETINGS.

YOU COULD GO TO TWO COMMITTEE MEETINGS.

>> COUNCILMEMBER: I'M SORRY. >> FOR COUNCIL, YOU CAN ONLY PARTICIPATE IN TWO FOR THE YE YEARS.

>> COUNCILMEMBER: GOT IT. I GUESS WHAT I WAS WONDERING TO

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>> PARTICIPANT: NO. >> JEFF WORRELL: AND THEN THIS IS ALSO THE STATUTE OF WHAT YOU CANNOT ATTEND VIRTUALLY AND THOSE ARE IF YOU -- WE ARE PASSING A BUDGET, IF WE ARE SETTING REDUCTION PERSONNEL, INITIATING REFERENDUM, IMPOSING OR INCREASING A FEE OR EXERCISING THE POWER OF DEVELOPMENT DOMAIN. BY STATUTE YEAH.

>> PARTICIPANT: AND THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE BUT I THINK THE OTHER METHOD IS THAT REMOTE AVAILABILITY OF THE MEETINGS.

AGAIN COME BACK TO MY TIME CRETE COUNCIL AND ACTUALLY THE FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS ON COUNSEL. WE WOULD PULLED THE MEETINGS IN THE CAUCUS ROOMS AND IT WAS REALLY NOT GREAT FROM A TRANSPARENCY STANDPOINT AS WELL, TOO.

I THINK THIS IS AFFIRMATIVE ALL RIGHT.

SO THANK YOU. >> SUE FINKAM: WE HAD TO CHANGE.

MEETINGS. ANOTHER QUESTION.

WHEN THE ROOM IS AVAILABLE AT MAKING THEM, UPGRADING TECHNOLGY FOR THE SECOND TIME. ENTER IN HAVE PEOPLE FROM IN AND BROADCAST THOSE. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BE AS RESPONSIVE AND AS TOP OF THE GAME AS WE CAN.

NOW.THIS EMERGENCY ORDER HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO DO OUR ROLES STILL -- IS THAT YOU SERVE OUR ROLES ONCE THEY GO INTO EFFECT

AFTER THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE? >> PARTICIPANT: WELL, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE UNDER SECTION 2.7 OF THE OPEN-DOOR LAW, WHICH IS A MORE PERMISSIVE SECTION. ENTIRE MEETING COULD BE HELD VIRTUALLY. WHEN THERE IS NOT AN EMERGENCY ORDER, AT LEAST HALF OF THE MEMBERS HAVE TO BE PRESENT PHYSICALLY. YOU CAN HAVE THE ENTIRE MEETING ELECTRONICALLY AND YOU CAN ALSO VOTE NOT -- YOU COULD VOTE OVER THE PHONE. AND THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE ON'S APPOINTMENT YOU VOTED.

>> SUE FINKAM: I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHEN IT DOESN'T UP

50% CLOCK STOPPED THINKING? >> PARTICIPANT: YES.

>> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU. THEY WILL HAVE TO DO SOME COUNTING TO UNDERSTAND WHO IS WHERE, WHEN.

>> PARTICIPANT: AND GOING FORWARD, IT WILL BE PER CALENDAR

YEAR. >> SUE FINKAM: WE THOUGHT IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE EXTENDED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION IN THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, PLEASE FORWARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 13 IS PROBABLY HEARINGS.

[13. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

WE HAVE NO MOTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

WE HAVE THE AMENDMENT. OKAY.

EMOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE AMENDED VERSION.

ANY DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE CAN MOVE ALONG.

THANK YOU, JACOB. ITEM 13 IS PROBABLY HEARINGS.

ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF CARMEL, INDIANA.

AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS TO THE 2021 DEPARTMENT OF COMMITTEE SERVICES BUDGET.

THIS IS SPONSORED BY -- >> JEFF WORRELL: FUNDS RECEIVED BY THE RECORDER'S OFFICE. LEAN PAYMENTS DEPOSITED INTO THE 2021 DEPARTMENT OF COMMITTEE SERVICES BUDGET.

WE ARE TALKED ABOUT $1,579 THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO DEPARTMENT OF COMMITTEE SERVICES IN THE AMOUNT OF RECORDING FEES, 579 AND THE BALANCE INTO ITEM WHICH IS 43 -- 509. OTHER SEAL 20 SERVICES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. CONTINUING SERVICES OR SOME

SOMETHING. >> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU.

IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. ALL THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE PODIUM.

SEEING NOBODY, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THE CHAIR WHAT ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE TO SUSPEND THE RULES. THANK YOU.

YOU ARE FREE TO ACT. >> COUNCILMEMBER: MOVED TO

APPROVE. >> SUE FINKAM: ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU.

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[16. OTHER BUSINESS]

OTHER BUSINESS. THIS IS RETURNING FROM THE FINANCE RULES COMMITTEE. COUNCILOR WORRELL?

>> KEVIN "WOODY" RIDER: THEY TOOK --

>> JEFF WORRELL: THEY TOOK UP THE ANNUAL REVIEW.

WE HAVE 15 ABATEMENTS EMPLACEMENT THERE WERE THREE ABATEMENTS THAT WERE PARTIALLY OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

WHAT HAPPENS, I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU RECEIVED THE TOOL THAT WE USED TO REVIEW ALL OF THE DATA POINTS THE THREE COMPANIES THAT WERE IMPARTIAL COMPLIANCE WERE -- EXCUSE ME.

CAPITAL GROUP COMPANIES, CAPITAL BANK AND TRUST AND PROTECTIVE INSURANCE. SO AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL, WE CHOSE ON JUST CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW, AND BECAUSE THE COURT WERE POSITIVE TRENDS WERE THERE WERE GREEN DATA POINTS THAT WERE NOT READ THAT WE FELT LIKE THIS WAS A GOOD HERE TO NOT REMOVE OR CHALLENGE ANY OF THE ABATEMENTS AND SO WE ARE RETURNING PERSPECTIVE IT WITH A 3-0 RECOMMENDATION FOR KEEPING THESE IN PLACE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SUE FINKAM: WAS THAT A MOTION TRUCKS.

>> JEFF WORRELL: AND I WILL ALSO MAKE A MOTION.

>> COUNCILMEMBER: SECOND. >> SUE FINKAM: ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COUNCILOR HANNON?

>> TIM HANNON: IS THAT -- CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE OPTIONS THE COMMITTEE HAD? IS IT, WE WILL GIVE YOU A PASS BACK DO YOU GET NO ABATEMENT? OPTIONS THAT YOU CONSIDER AND

ARE AVAILABLE BY THE STATUTE? >> JEFF WORRELL: IT IS ALL OF THOSE. OUR DISCUSSION CENTERED AROUND NOT PENALIZING, I THINK, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES SAID NOT PULLING THE RUG OUT FROM OTHER COMPANY -- UNDER A COMPANY AND WE HAVE JUST GONE THROUGH A PANDEMIC. SO THESE ARE ALL GOOD QUALITY COMPANIES IN CARMEL, VALUED COMPANIES AND PUPPIES THAT DO HAVE POSITIVE METRICS IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

THEY WERE JUST NOT IN FULL COMPLIANCE.

>> TIM HANNON: IS THE EXPECTATION THAT NEXT YEAR, THEY WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE? THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS SORT OF A DESK NOW FOR THEM IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING?

>> JEFF WORRELL: SO THE WAY I WOULD VIEW THIS, IF I HAD -- AND YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE TOOL. IF I HAD ALL REDS, THAT WOULD BE -- THAT WOULD AT LEAST BE A SUBJECT, IT MAY BE NOT BUT WOULD BE TO YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHY.

WE WOULD CALL THEM IN AND ASK THEM TO TELL US WHY.

COUNCILOR FINKAM HELPED ME WITH THE HISTORY BUT I BELIEVE -- I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE SINCE MY SECOND TERM LOOK WE HAVE VOLUNTARILY ASKED THEM TO REMOVE THEMSELVES. AND I BELIEVE PART OF THAT, THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS REMOVED. BE HELPFUL -- THERE ARE SEVERAL STEPS WE CAN TAKE. AND WE DID NOT FEEL THIS WAS THE

YEAR. >> TIM HANNON: THANK YOU.

>> SUE FINKAM: EVERY YEAR, THEY HAVE TO PULL OUT THE REPORT.

AND THEN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT. LET'S JUST SAY THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS TEN JOBS OR $100,000.

YOU. >> IT IS ROUGHLY A MILLION DOLLARS, RIGHT? SOMETIMES THEY MAY HAVE HIT THAT JOBS NUMBER BUT NOT THE AVERAGE SALARY NUMBER.

THERE'S ALSO PROPERTY ABATEMENT THERE.

WE START LOOKING AT THAT. WHAT IS THE STORY? IF THE STORY IS THERE IS A PANDEMIC, THEY WERE ON TRACK AND STUMBLED A LITTLE BIT. THEY NEED TO KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION. IN THE PAST, WHEN A COMPANY HAD NOT MET ITS -- IF THEY WERE REALLY CLOSE, WE AGREED TO REVIEW IT NEXT YEAR. SOMETIMES IF THE STORY WAS NOT GOOD, I CAN REMEMBER ONE TIME A COMPANY HAD BEEN PURCHASED OUT OF STATE COMPANY. ANOTHER ONE WAS CHANGING ITS FORMAT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO COME IN TO FINANCE. AND THAT ONE COMPANY THAT WE DID, IT WAS TWO YEARS IN A ROW. SO WE ALL AGREED THAT THIS WAS

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SO WHAT IS CHALLENGING IS OFTENTIMES ARE LOCAL TAX ABATEMENT ALSO ENABLES THEM TO GET A STATE GRANT OF -- ABATEMENT OF SOME TYPE. SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL. IF THEY MISS OUR NUMBERS AND WE ASKED THEM TO PULL THE NUMBERS, THEY MAY BE RELIEF FINANCIALLY IMPACTING. THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATION DONE. WE TRIED TO MAKE THE BEST INFORMED DECISION WE COULD. UH-HUH.

OKAY. I BELIEVE THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THESE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION PUTS ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR GET SIGNIFIED WITH AN AYE.

NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 16B. THIS I WILL INTRODUCE AS HIGHLY CONTENTIOUS. AND CERTAINLY NOT MIND THAT ANY ONE OF US REALLY LIKES TO HAVE ON OUR AGENDA.

WE OFTEN ACT AND THINK AND FELT VERY SIMILARLY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE DO NOT.

THIS IS ONE WORK WITH THE COUNCIL IS VERY SPLIT.

HAD SEVERAL MEMBERS WHO -- IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, IT WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA. I SAID PUBLICLY I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE THE VOTES TO PASS SOME MOTIONS.

YOU NEVER KNOW UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY VOTE.

THAT IS WHY IT IS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.

WHAT ELECT TO DO SO THAT THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE CIRCUS AND WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST IS JUST GO FROM ONE SIDE OF THE -- TO THE OTHER AND ALLOW EACH COUNCILOR TO MAKE COMMENTS AND IF THEY PASS, THEN THEY PASSED. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY MOTIONS AT THE END, WE WILL TAKE THAT ONE BUT ONE AND MOVE ALONG.

IT IS NOT ON ANYONE'S BEST INTEREST TO MAKE THIS ANY MORE COLORFUL THAT IT ALREADY HAS BEEN.

I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH COUNCILMEMBER CAMPBELL TAKE THIS STARTED WHEN CAMPBELL WAS A PRESIDENT.

I WILL HAVE HER GO OVER THE BACKGROUND AND COME THIS WAY AROUND. COUNCILOR CAMPBELL?

>> LAURA CAMPBELL: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT.

IN NOVEMBER OF 2020, A CITY EMPLOYEE TOLD ME ABOUT A COMPLAINT SHE HAD FILED WITH THE CITY REGARDING THEN CORPORATION COUNSEL DOUG CAME TO ME. THE EMPLOYEE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT HAD TAKEN TO COMPLETE THE INVESTIGATION AND THAT SHE HAD NOT RECEIVED A WRITTEN REPORT FROM THE CITY. AFTER HANEY LEARNED OF THE COMPLAINT AND INVESTIGATION, A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT ESCALATED. AND IT BECAME INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR THE EMPLOYEE TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH HANEY.

THE CITY'S HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR, BARBARA LAM, TOLD THE EMPLOYEE THAT SHE COULD GO ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION WAS COMPLETED. MEANWHILE, HANEY WAS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE WORKING AT CITY HALL. I REVIEWED NUMEROUS DOCUMENTS AND RECORDINGS AND DETERMINED THAT CITY POLICIES REGARDING THESE VERY SERIOUS ACCUSATIONS WERE NOT FOLLOWED.

ON DECEMBER 16TH OF 2020, I NOTIFIED THE CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR BRAINARD, AND HR DIRECTOR BARB LAMP THAT I WAS CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE CITY'S HANDLING OF THIS EMPLOYEE COMPLAINT. ON DECEMBER 20TH, HANEY SUBMITTED HIS RESIGNATION. BACK IN 2020, THE MAYOR HIRED A PRIVATE PRACTICE ATTORNEY TO PERFORM THE INVESTIGATION OF THE EMPLOYEE'S COMPLAINT. ATTEMPTS BY THE COUNCIL TO OBTAIN AN INVESTIGATION REPORT FROM THE CITY AS WELL AS OTHER INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO FURTHER THE INVESTIGATION WAS MET WITH RESISTANCE FROM THE CITY'S OUTSIDE COUNSEL. AND RESPONSE TO A REQUEST FOR KEY DOCUMENTS RELATING TO THE CITY'S SUPPOSE IT LITIGATION, THE CITY RESPONDED WITH A LIST OF ALLEGED PRIVILEGES WAS ASSERTING TO AVOID PRODUCTION OF ANY ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS.

IN AN EFFORT TO SECURED THE CITY'S COOPERATION BY SERVING A FORMAL SUBPOENA, I ASKED THE OUTSIDE COUNSELOR TO REQUEST THE FINAL REPORT ON DECEMBER 23RD, 2020.

LAURIE MARTIN THEN RESPONDED ON DECEMBER 29TH THAT NOTE WRITTEN REPORT ON THE INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED BY THE CITY'S POLICY AND NONE HAS BEEN REPAIRED.

AS SUCH, NO REPORT HAS BEEN WITHHELD.

THIS IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF THE CITY'S HANDBOOK WHICH STATES, AND I'M QUOTING FROM THE HANDBOOK, ANY EMPLOYEE WHO FEELS HIS OR HER ALLEGATIONS OF HARASSMENT HAVE NOT BEEN TAKEN SERIOUSLY INVESTIGATE IT THOROUGHLY OR RESOLVED SATISFACTORILY MAY FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE MAYOR WHO SHALL ASSIGN THE MATTER TO BE INVESTIGATED.

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THIS IS 60 POLICY AND CHAPTER TWO, PAGE 17.

THE EMPLOYEE ASKED ME TO ATTEND THIS SETTLEMENT MEDIATION EARLIER THIS YEAR WHICH ENDED UP BEING A VIRTUAL MEDIATION.

MEDIATOR HAD PREVIOUSLY TOLD THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT THE CITY UNDERSTOOD TO COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO APPROVE ANY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. HOWEVER, WHEN I ATTENDED THE MEDIATION, I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS PART OF THE CITY AND THAT THAT NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT OTHERWISE KNOWN AS NDA THAT THE MAYOR AND BOB LAMB HAD SIGNED WOULD ALSO APPLY TO ME.

THE PURPOSE OF MY ATTENDING THE MEDIATION WAS SO THAT I COULD REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL THE DETAILS OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. IF WAS DETERMINED IT APPLIED TO THE MEET AS WELL, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL.

OUR CONTINUED INVESTIGATION AFTER THAT MEDIATION YIELDED A COPY OF AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR AGREEMENT BETWEEN HANEY AND THE CITY. THIS WAS DESPITE THAT MAYOR TELLING ME AND OTHER COUNSELORS THAT HANEY WAS GONE AND THERE WAS NO FURTHER BUSINESS BETWEEN HIM AND THE CITY.

THE GR AGREEMENT WOULD ALLOW HAY TO BE ON THE PREMISES WHENEVER HE DETERMINED HE NEEDED TO PIZZA.

HANEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HIRE ANY SUBCONTRACTORS HE FELT NECESSARY. THE AGREEMENT WAS LATER CANCELED BY THE MAYOR AFTER THE COUNCIL FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AND OVER $3,800 HAD BEEN PAID. THE CITY HAD NOT -- HAS NOT BEEN COOPERATIVE WITH REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION, HAS NOT BEEN UPFRONT ABOUT ANY AGREEMENTS WITH HANEY FOR CONTINUED WORK WITH THE CITY AND HAS NOT FOLLOWED POLICIES OUTLINED IN THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK. AFTER WE GET REPORTS OF THE INVESTIGATION CAME OUT, SEVERAL FORMER EMPLOYEES AND ALSO CURRENT EMPLOYEES CONTACTED ME ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES WITH HARASSMENT AND HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENTS WITHIN THE CITY.

AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY CREATES AND MAINTAINS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT WHERE EMPLOYEES ARE TREATED WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT AND TO CITY POLICIES IN PLACE ARE FOLLOWED CONSISTENTLY TO ALLOW EMPLOYEES TO GET A FAIR RESOLUTION IN A TIMELY MANNER. THANK YOU.

>> SUE FINKAM: COUNCILOR GREEN? >> ANTHONY GREEN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THE CITY COUNCIL AND THAT MAYOR'S OFFICE, WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE BRANCH AND THEY ARE COEQUAL BRANCHES. OFTEN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KIND OF STAY IN AIRPLANES. WE HAVE DUTIES.

WE HAVE SPONSORS -- RESPONSIBILITIES.

THERE IS OVERLAP. AND THERE'S THE NEED FOR AT THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF LEGISLATIVE OVERSIGHT. IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD AN EMPLOYEE WHO APPROACHED THE PRESIDENT AND THE CITY COUNCIL. WAS DEALING WITH A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT, IT WAS BEING HARASSED, HAD TRIED TO GO TO THE MORE TRADITIONAL MEANS TO GET IT REMEDY.

IT WAS NOT GETTING REMEDY, SO SHE APPROACHED THE VICTIM, THE PERSON READY TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I THINK CLEARLY, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE SOME RIGIDLY TO OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATE CERTAIN THINGS GOING ON WITH THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, BUT IN THIS SITUATION, THE VISUAL CAME AND DURING THE COURSE OF THE QUASI- INVESTIGATION, THE PRESIDENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS STARTED LEARNING THE COURT WAS NOT JUST ONE VICTIM.

THERE'S LIKELY OTHER EMPLOYEES OR OTHER VICTIMS. SO IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF DOUBT, I THINK THIS IS A SPECIFIC SITUATION WHERE THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH HAS TO DO SOMETHING HAS TO KIND OF LOOK INTO IT AND INVESTIGATE AND TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THERE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT CAN BE DONE. IT IS NOT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN ENFORCE SOME CERTAIN THINGS. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE THERE BETWEEN ENFORCING CERTAIN THINGS.

RIGHT NOW, WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT INVESTIGATING, FINDING OUT WHAT IS GOING ON AFTER A VICTIM CAME TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND ASKED FOR SOME TYPE OF REMEDY AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.

I THINK CLEARLY, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO INVESTIGATE.

YOU KNOW? WHAT GOES ON BEYOND THAT? WE CAN DEBATE ON WHAT POWER THE CITY COUNCIL HAS.

I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO INVESTIGATE.

>> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR AASEN?

>> SUE FINKAM: I THINK EVERYBODY HERE --

>> ADAM AASEN: I THINK EVERYBODY HERE WANTS WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY AND WHAT IS BEST FOR THE VICTIM WHO MAKE THE ACCUSATION.

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THIS INVESTIGATION HAS ALREADY BEEN ONGOING.

I KNOW IT SAYS HERE TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION.

WE HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATING THIS MATTER SINCE AT LEAST, I THINK DECEMBER. WHEN IT FIRST LAUNCHED, IT WAS A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE. I WAS NOT PRIVY TO A LOT OF THE DETAILS OF THE INVESTIGATION. WHEN I ASKED WHAT I WAS TOLD AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME OTHER COUNSELORS WHO DID NOT RECEIVE ALL OF THE DETAILS. WE WERE TOLD IT NEEDED TO BE KEPT CONFIDENTIAL OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE VICTIM.

THAT THE VICTIM HAD ASKED THAT THIS BE KEPT CONFIDENTIAL.

SO TODAY, I DON'T THINK THE ACTION ON THE TABLE IS TO LAUNCH AN INFESTATION. SO TAKE AN INVESTIGATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING AND MAKE IT PROBABLY.

AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE VICTIM.

I KIND OF THINK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF AFFECT THAT WOULD HAVE ON OUR CURRENT AND FUTURE EMPLOYEES, MAY HAVE SOMETHING HAPPEN TO THEM IN THE WORKPLACE AND WHAT THEY BE HESITANT OR AFRAID TO COME FORWARD IF THEY HAVE AN HRG THAT WE WOULD GO AGAINST THEIR S AND MAKE EVERYTHING PROBABLY IN A PUBLIC FORUM AGAINST WHAT THEY ASKED? I WANT EVERY EMPLOYEE IN THE CITY OF CARMEL TO FEEL SAFE, COMFORTABLE, AND RESPECTED.

AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH INVESTIGATING THE MANNER.

I KNOW SOME DETAILS CAME OUT. I DID NOT KNOW THAT WE WERE MAKING THOSE THE TEST PUBLIC. BUT YES, DOUG HANEY ACTED IN A PROPERLY. BUT I'M DISAPPOINTED IN HOW SOME OF THIS PROCESS IS GOING OUT BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE REALLY GOING AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE VICTIM AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE FOR WHAT REASON. SO I WILL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

>> SUE FINKAM: COUNCILOR RIDER? >> KEVIN "WOODY" RIDER: I HAVE TWO SHORT POINTS. THE IMPORTANT THING IS PROTECTING THE EMPLOYEE, PERIOD. TWO, USING WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED AND WORKING WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, WHICH WE HAVE HAD ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THAT IS PUT INTO HAPPEN AND PUT SOME THINGS IN PLACE THAT WOULD INFORM THE COUNCIL AND MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK. THANK YOU.

>> SUE FINKAM: COUNCILOR WORRELL?

>> JEFF WORRELL: I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ACTION, WE ALREADY VOTED PREVIOUSLY. THIS ACTION BASED ON OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE WOULD MEAN SUBPOENA IS AUTOMATIC -- OR YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TRIGGER A SUBPOENA WITHOUT A COUNCIL VOTE WHEREAS WE'VE PREVIOUSLY VOTED ON A SUBPOENA.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> SUE FINKAM: IT WAS NEVER PREVIOUSLY VOTED TO MY KNOW KNOWLEDGE.

AS FAR AS ANY OTHER ITEM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVE NEVER USED THE POWER. YES, THE OPTION, EITHER THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT CAN ASK FOR A SUBPOENA.

THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT CAN FORM A COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE WHO COULD ASK FOR A SUBPOENA. SO YES, THAT WOULD HAPPEN

POTENTIALLY HAPPEN. >> JEFF WORRELL: I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU.

>> SUE FINKAM: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

OKAY, COUNCILOR NELSON? >> MILES NELSON: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. SO FIRST OFF, I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS. AND THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION. BY MY COLLEAGUES.

AND FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY TO THE EMPLOYEE, THE CITY EMPLOYEE THAT I'M REALLY SORRY. THIS WAS A HORRIBLE SITUATION.

SECONDLY, THAT I'M REALLY ANGRY THAT DOUG HANEY ACTED THIS WAY.

HE WAS A BULLY. AND DID NOT DESERVE TO WORK HERE. FRUSTRATED THAT ACTION TOOK TOO LONG. THAT THERE WAS A MAJOR PATENT CLAUSE -- PREGNANT PAUSE BETWEEN WHEN THE EMPLOYEE FILED THE COMPLAINT AND WENT ACTION WAS TAKEN.

FOR THAT, I'M SORRY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ACTION TAKEN. AND I THINK THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK NEEDS TO BE STRENGTHENED AND UPDATED.

THE NEEDS TO BE TEEZ TABOR IT. WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A SYSTEM WHEREBY A CITY EMPLOYEE CAN CONFIDENTLY AND IF NECESSARY ANONYMOUSLY FILE A COMPLAINT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A

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I WOULD LIKE TO EMPOWER THE HEAD OF HR FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS NEW HEAD OF HR IS OR EVENTUAL NEW HEAD OF HR HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DISCIPLINE EMPLOYEES AND PROTECT THOSE WHO NEED PROTECTION. AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH BUT I

HAVE TO SAY. >> SUE FINKAM: COUNCILOR HANNON?

>> TIM HANNON: THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK BOTH COUNCIL PRESIDENT FINKAM AS WELL AS COUNCILOR CAMPBELL -- COUNCILOR CAMPBELL TOP OF THE THIS.

IT WAS SORT OF LAID OUT. AND THIS IS NOT ANY TALKING OUT OF SCHOOL SORT OF SPEAK. IT HAS BEEN LONG-STANDING AND NEEDS TO GET RESOLVE. I'M GLAD WE ARE BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL TONIGHT. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THERE'S NO MOTIONS ON THE TABLE YET. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE POSSIBLE MOTIONS ARE.

WE HAVE DONE A FAIRLY INTENSIVE INVESTIGATION OF THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE REASON WE ARE HERE TONIGHT IS BECAUSE WE COULD NOT GET IT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE AS A GROUP ASKED FOR INFORMATION, ASK VIA SUBPOENA AND WERE TOLD BY THE EXECUTIVE THAT IS MAYOR BRAINARD THAT WE CANNOT HAVE IT. SO THE REASON WE ARE HERE TONIGHT IS BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OR INACTIONS OF THE EXECUTIVE AND THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR.

THERE IS NO INTENT HERE AT THIS POINT OR IN ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE TO EXPOSE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION OR TO ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM HAVE ADDITIONAL INJURY TO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS TO TRIED TO WRITE A WRONG, TRYING TO HAVE AN ACCOUNTING WHICH IS WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT BECOMES OF ANYTHING, WHETHER IT IS HARASSMENT OR MEDICAL ERRORS OR WHATEVER IT WANT TO KNOW, ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WHOEVER DID NOT FOLLOW POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND DID NOT DO THINGS RIGHT HAS SOME ACCOUNTABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND MOST IMPORTANT AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE CAN ALL AGREE IS, WHAT ARE THE AFFIRMATIVE SYSTEMS AND CONTROLS THAT NEED TO BE PUT IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO PREVENT THIS FROM OUR HAPPENING AGAIN? WHAT MAKES THIS COMPLEX AND THIS IS MY BACKGROUND AS I SPENT 13 YEARS ON AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETINGS IN A TUBULAR DOLLARS ORGANIZATION, SO THIS IS. AND PARCEL TO BUT I DID.

ALSO SERVED IN THE MILITARY AND LEADERSHIP ROLES.

AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT ROLES OF ENGAGEMENT.

WHEN YOU HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS THROWN INTO NEXT.

YOU HAVE A CHIEF EXECUTIVE. YOU HAVE A GOVERNING BOARD AND YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES AND THERE ARE RULES AND REGULATIONS ABOUT CONDUCT REPORTING, ACCOUNTABILITY.

IT WHEN YOU THROW ELECTED OFFICIALS, WHICH BY THE WAY, I'M AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, IT DOES COMPLICATE THINGS SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO NOTHING IS EASY. I JUST WANT TO ASSURE THAT.

THERE IS NO FOOT DRAGGING OR GRANDSTANDING HERE.

IT IS JUST A DIFFICULT SITUATION, TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED, NUMBER ONE, AND BY FIGHTING AT WHAT HAPPENED, HOW CAN WE PUT IN CORRECTIVE ACTIONS SO THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN? THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT I THINK WAS COUNCILOR GREEN BROUGHT UP, I THINK IT SHOULD BE COMMON SENSE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A HARASSMENT OR BULLYING SITUATION AND THESE ARE NO LONGER ALLEGATIONS.

THIS IS PROOF AND FACT, THERE IS RARELY IF EVER A SINGLE VICTIM.

THERE ARE TYPICALLY MULTIPLE VICTIMS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

THEY ARE ALSO SUBJECTED TO THAT BUT WE ARE NOT JUST REPRESENTING THE ONE EMPLOYEE. WE ARE ALSO REPRESENTING AND TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPENED FOR SHIRT WITHIN THIS DEPARTMENT, SOME THAT WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF, SOME THAT WE DON'T.

AND I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS SORT OF PUT A PIN IN IT, WE ARE REPRESENTING ALL OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES.

IT IS DEMORALIZING WHEN YOUR SUPERVISOR WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR DAY-TO-DAY VARMINT ABUSES THAT PRIVILEGE OVER TIME AND IN VERY EGREGIOUS WAYS. MYSELF AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS DON'T HAVE INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE SOME NEW WITH THE NDA.

I WOULD JUST POINT OUT, AND COUNCILOR CAMPBELL, WHO IS -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY -- BUT YOU ARE A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD PERSON.

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AS WAS OUR RETAINED COUNSEL BRYCE BENNETT AS WELL.

TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR HERE, THIS IS NOT A SINGLE EPISODE OR AN ISOLATED EPISODE WITH ONE EMPLOYEE THAT WE ARE.

>> KEVIN "WOODY" RIDER: THE TRUMP UP FOR POLITICAL OR OTHER REASONS. THIS IS A WILL WELL ESTABLISHED PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR OF EGREGIOUS BEHAVIOR OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND THE PATTERN PREDATES THIS PARTICULAR EPISODE AS WELL.

THE COMPLICATING FACTOR IS, I HAVE MENTIONED, IS WHERE DO YOU GO WHEN YOUR SUPERVISOR IS HARASSING YOU PUTS THE WAY THE RULES ARE CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS YOU GO TO THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE DOES NOT SATISFY TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS, WHAT THIS ISSUE WAS, IN FACT, TRACKS THE PROCESS OUT, CREATES, YOU KNOW, REALLY, I THINK, IS OUR SOLUTIONS, ONE OF THEM BEING THE VICTIM WAS PUT ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE WHILE THE ACCUSED AND SORT OF PROVEN HARASSER STAYED THERE.

IT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE SERIOUS WELL SUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATIONS, NOT ALLEGATIONS BUT PROVEN FACTS.

THERE WAS A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR, NOT JUST OVER THIS PERIOD OF TIME, BUT PREVIOUS BEHAVIOR AND WHAT WAS ALSO REVEALED, WHICH WAS VERY CONCERNING AND WHY WE REALLY NEED TO GET TO THE MEAT OF THE ISSUE, COME UP AS BEST AS WEEKEND, IRONCLAD SOLUTIONS IS, THAT POLICY PROCEDURES WERE NOT FOLLOWED.

AND THE REASONS WAS THERE WAS A SPECIAL RELATION BETWEEN THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE AND THE CHIEF COUNSEL WHICH REALLY MUDDIED AND I THINK THAT IS A CLEAR MUDDIED HOW THIS WAS PEDDLED.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED TO KNOW THE EXTENT OF WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED AND TO DO THAT, I BELIEVED AND AT LEAST SOME OF MY FELLOW COUNSELORS BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO GET ACCESS TO THE SETTLEMENT AS COUNCILOR CAMPBELL SAID.

THAT WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED DURING THAT MEDIATION AS COUNSEL WOULD BE PRIVY TO THE AND WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT.

THAT WAS OUR EXPECTATION. ALL OF THE FINDINGS AS WELL AS WHAT THE SETTLEMENT WAS. IT COULD INCLUDE AND WE BELIEVE -- INCLUDE ADDITIONAL OBLIGATIONS FOR THE CITY IN TERMS OF POSITIONS, DOLLARS, ET CETERA.

IT IS REASONABLE, I BELIEVE BASED THAT WHEN ALLEGATIONS LIKE THIS ARE PROVEN, IT IS A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR.

IT IS EGREGIOUS. AND YOU HAVE THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE NOT BEING HELPFUL, SO TO SPEAK. IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT THIS BODY NEEDS TO THE ACT AND NEEDS TO THE ACTS DEFINITIVELY.

THAT IS SORT OF MY SUMMARY. AS I UNDERSTAND IT TODAY, WHERE WE ARE LEFT WITH IS INFORMATION. BUT WHERE DO WE GO FORWARD? SESSION AND AGAIN, A REMINDER, WE HAD ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO DO THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH IS CONFIDENTIAL, PRIVILEGED, AND NOT IN THE OPEN LIKE THIS. BUT WE WERE FORCED BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF COMPLIANCE, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I WOULD SAY, AND I WILL GET MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER, AS A MINIMUM I WOULD THINK THAT EVERYONE WITH A GREAT WITH EMOTION THAT SAYS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED TO PRODUCE A WRITTEN REPORT OF WHAT OCCURRED BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY WHAT SPECIFIC ACTIONS WERE GOING TO TAKE TO TRY TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. AND WHOEVER WE ASSIGN IS THEN ACCOUNTABLE FOR LOCKING IN THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I HOPE THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE CONTROVERSIAL.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE WANT TO START THERE AND BACK UP AGAIN, I

WILL PUT IT BACK TO YOU. >> SUE FINKAM: , THAT IS FUN, COUNCIL MEMBER HANAN WE HAVE A SECOND?

WE HAVE A SECOND. >> COUNCILMEMBER: WHAT IS THE

MOTION? >> TIM HANNON: TO CLARIFY --

>> SUE FINKAM: GO AHEAD. >> TIM HANNON: HOPEFULLY I GOT THIS RIGHT. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO FORM A COMMITTEE THAT USE THE INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE TO COMMITTEE TO CREATE AND IMPLEMENT CORRECTIVE ACTIONS TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, SYSTEMS IN PLACE.

THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION. >> SUE FINKAM: DISCUSSION?

COUNCILOR AASEN? >> ADAM AASEN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RELEASING ANOTHER REPORT FROM AN INVESTIGATION. THE LEFT REPORT THAT CAME OUT

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I'M NOT SAYING I AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE FINDINGS.

BUT IT WAS NOT A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.

NOW WE ARE TAKING ABOUT TAKING WHAT WAS THE ENTIRE.

COUNCIL INVEST THIS MATTER AND SO JUST THINK A COMMITTEE OF THE

WHOLE OR HIS MOTHER COMMITTEE. >> TIM HANNON: WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS MORE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD BE WHO IS CHARGED WITH COMING UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> ADAM AASEN: OKAY. >> TIM HANNON: , AND IF WE WANT TO MAKE THAT THE SINGLE ITEM AND WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THERE.

BUT I BELIEVE THE REPORT A PROPERLY REDACTED SHOULD BE ASSEMBLED BASED UPON OUR DUTY, JUST LIKE WE DID FROM THE HOTEL REPORT TO OUR EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS OUR CITIZENS.

APPROPRIATELY REDACTED. >> ADAM AASEN: SO A FEW ISSUES THERE. FIRST, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE ENTIRE COUNCIL AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE IT HARD TIME CONVINCING ME. YOU NEED TO HAVE THE ENTIRE COUNSEL BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY HAD A PROBLEM WHERE SOME COUNSELORS HAVE HAD MORE INFORMATION THAN OTHERS.

YOU YOURSELF MENTIONED THAT IN SOME OF OUR MEETINGS.

SECOND, WE TALKED ABOUT -- I ASKED FOR INFORMATION.

I WAS TOLD WE NEED TO PROTECT THE VICTIM.

THIS IS A CONFIDENTIAL MATTER. INFORMATION THAT WAS RELEASED TONIGHT, ANYONE WHO KNOWS OR WORKS FOR THE CITY OF CARMEL CAN FIGURE IT OUT. YOU ESSENTIALLY OUTED THE PERSON. AND I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF LEVEL OF TRUST DO WE HAVE A WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO US AND SAYS, I HAVE A COMPLAINT AND I'M AFRAID TO COME FORWARD AND YOU ARE GOING TO NOW OUT THAT COMPLETELY TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH WE ESSENTIALLY DIDN'T TONIGHT. I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES NOT TRUST THEIR EMPLOYEE BASE EMPLOYER COMING FORWARD. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO COME FORWARD. WE HAVE ALREADY PUT OUT A LOT MORE INFORMATION. THAT I WAS PREVIOUSLY TOLD I COULD NOT EVEN RECEIVE AND NOW WE ARE PUTTING IT THERE TO THE

PUBLIC. >> SUE FINKAM: COUNCILMAN

CAMPBELL? >> LAURA CAMPBELL: THANK YOU.

YOU SAID YOU WERE PRIVY TO THE INFORMATION THAT BE KEPT CONFIDENTIAL. I SIGNED AN NDA SO THAT I COULD GATHER THE INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF IT WAS A CREDIBLE COMPLAINT. I WAS NOT HIDING ANYTHING FROM THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. PEOPLE CAN MAKE ACCUSATIONS ALL DAY LONG. BUT I HAD TO GET THE INFORMATION. I DID NOT RELEASE ANY OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN COVERED UNDER THE NDA.

NOW, FOR YOU TO SAY THAT EMPLOYEES WILL FEEL THEY CAN'T TRUST US, I HAD CALLS FROM FORMER EMPLOYEES AND CURRENT EMPLOYEES WHO SAID, THEY ARE GLAD TO COUNCIL IS DOING SOMETHING. I'M NOT HEARING THAT THEY ARE AFRAID TO COME FORWARD. PEOPLE ARE RELIEVED THAT WE ARE TAKING ACTION. BUT TO ACCUSE, YOU KNOW, ANY OF US OR ME OF WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM YOU, I THINK, IS TOTALLY OUT OF LINE. I HAVE NOT WITHHELD INFORMATION.

I COULD NOT RELEASE INFOR THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.

>> SUE FINKAM: NEXT UP IS COUNCILOR RIDER.

>> KEVIN "WOODY" RIDER: MADAM PRESIDENT.

I THINK WE ARE LETTING THESE ISSUES MORPHED INTO EACH OTHER.

WHETHER WE DO AN INVESTIGATION, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW THE SUBPOENA TO BE A SEPARATE ISSUE. I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A SMALL COMMITTEE TO MAKE CHANGES WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.

HE IS HAPPY TO MAKE CHANGES WITH US.

HR IS HAPPY TO MAKE CHANGES WITH RESPECT WE HAVE HAD IDEAS.

I'M NOT GOING TO NOT PARTICIPATE.

ANY CHANGES THAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO THEIR EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, WE SHOULD DO AS A COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE WITH HR AND THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET IT CHANGED. WE ALREADY HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO DO THAT. SO I THINK SOMEHOW THESE ARE A LITTLE TOO INTERCONNECTED. SO I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM VOTING WITH YOUR MOTION BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE INTERCONNECTED.

WENVESTIGATION, WHICH WOULD THEN MAKE A SUBPOENA HAPPEN, OR WE DON'T. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, WHETHER WE MAKE A MOTION HERE OR NOT.

AND IT IS GOING TO BE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS MOTION IS GOING.

>> SUE FINKAM: COUNCILOR GREEN? >> ANTHONY GREEN: I DO AGREE THAT I THINK THAT THE ITEMS NEED TO BE SEPARATE.

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SHE REACHED OUT TO A CITY COUNCIL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL ARE COUNCILOR CAMPBELL, FOUND OTHER EMPLOYEES OR OTHER VICTIMS THAT CAME TO HER TO SAY, AGAIN, WHETHER WE WANT TO KIND OF ARGUE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE SUBPOENA. BUT THE IDEA THAT WE CAN'T INVESTIGATE WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING TO A.

>> BECAUSE THEIR NEEDS ARE NOT BEING ADDRESSED.

BECAUSE POLICIES WERE NOT BEING FOLLOWED OF ANY CITY COUNCIL HER TO SAY, A PROMISE HAS BEEN MADE, SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO -- WE ARE GOING TO TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT BUT THE POLICIES WILL BE CHANGED AND THE POLICIES WILL BE FOLLOWED.

WE ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT.

AND VICTIMS WERE COMING TO THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THEIR NEEDS WERE NOT BEING MET. TO SAY, YOU KNOW, OUR ACTIONS ARE GOING TO PREVENT EMPLOYEES FROM COMING TO IS THAT THEY ARE COMING THAT US BECAUSE SOME OF THEM DON'T FEEL THEY ARE BEING PROTECTED BY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

SO AGAIN, THE SUBPOENAS ONE THING OR ANOTHER.

BUT TO VOTE AGAINST INVESTIGATING OFFICIALLY INVESTIGATING TO START LOOKING IN AND SHOWED THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE POWER TO INVESTIGATE I DON'T SEE HOW SOMEONE CAN VOTE AGAINST THAT.

>> SUE FINKAM: I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW IS TO FORM A COMMITTEE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> COUNCILMEMBER: I WILL HAPPILY WITHDRAW AND MODIFY THAT. I THINK THE THINKING WAS, IS GOING TO ACTUALLY PUT UP THE WATER AND CARRY IT TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS? BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHAT WHATSOEVER. I DO WANT TO CAUTION THE HYPERBOLE ON THE DAIS HERE SAYING THAT WE ARE OUTING AN EMPLOYEE WHEN THIS IS PROBABLY INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE -- HYPERBOLE AND IT IS BELOW THE OFFICE.

LET'S JUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE ARE USING TERMS UP HERE.

I APPRECIATED COUNCILOR CAMPBELL MAKING HER COMMENTS TO THE EFFECT AS WELL. I WILL WITHDRAW MY ORIGINAL MOTION AT MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE AS A COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE CONCLUDE THE INVESTIGATION AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT STEPS MIGHT BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT. BUT WE WOULD PRODUCE A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE REPORT APPROPRIATELY REDACTED AND THAT WOULD BE DECIDED BY THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THAT WE WOULD MAKE BINDING CONDITIONS TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING. SO THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.

>> COUNCILMEMBER: MADAM PRESIDENT?

>> SUE FINKAM: DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> COUNCILMEMBER: AGAIN, WE ARE LETTING THE TWO ISSUES GET INTO EACH OTHER. TO SET UP HERE AND SAY, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU WOULD NOT VOTE FOR AN INVESTIGATION, IS A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS. WE HAVE INVESTIGATED THIS TYPE OF DEATHS. WE DON'T HAVE A PIECE WHICH IS THAT SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WHICH WAS DONE WITHIN ONLY -- NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE EMPLOYING.

I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE NUMBER ONE THING HERE, PROTECTING THE EMPLOYEE AND THE EMPLOYEE'S INTEGRITY.

OF THE SAME IF YOU VOTE AGAINST THIS, YOU ARE VOTING AGAINST AN INVESTIGATION IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.

WE HAVE INVESTIGATED IT, PEOPLE. WE ARE NOT VOTING ON AN INVESTIGATION HERE. WE ARE VOTING ON WHETHER TO PHYSICALLY TRY AND BREAK DOWN A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT, WHICH, POSSIBLY MAKE SOMETHING PUBLIC WHICH IN MY OPINION HARMS THE EMPLOYEE. ANYBODY WHO SAYS, IF I VOTE AGAINST A MOTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE BEING KEPT CAN YOU PLEASE SEPARATE THE TWO ISSUES? AGAIN, YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER.

YOU MENTIONED THE INVESTIGATION AND MAKING CHANGES TO THE HANDBOOK. I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT IN THAT SITUATION. AND ANYTHING TO DO THAT WOULD POSSIBLY MAKE THAT SETTLEMENT, WHICH IS THE ONLY PART OF THE INVESTIGATION WE HAVE NOT DONE, PUBLIC, I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST. AND IF ANYBODY ACCUSES ME OF NOT PROTECTING THIS EMPLOYEE AND INVESTIGATING WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS EMPLOYEE, IT IS A BOLDFACED LIVE.

>> SUE FINKAM: GO AHEAD, COUNCILOR WORRELL AND IN

COUNCILOR HANNON. >> JEFF WORRELL: I'M GOING TO TAKE MY FIRST STAB AT THIS. I WANT TO STEP BACK AND TAKE THE BIGGER VIEW ON WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON HERE.

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AND THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS SITUATION THAT WE ARE IN IS NUMBER ONE, IN SPEAKING TO THE VICTIM, CONFIDENTIALITY, THE VICTIM, I MIGHT ADD, IS STILL A VALUED EMPLOYEE OF THEIR ORGANIZATION. THE PERPETRATOR IS GONE.

BUT WE HAVE ALWAYS SAID, AND I SIGNED AN NDA WHEN I WAS MADE PART OF THE ORIGINAL INVESTIGATION.

I SIGNED AN NDA. AND I HONORED THAT.

IT HAS BEEN MADE VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT WHAT THE COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WANTED AS WAS SPOKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS THEY WANTED TO KNOW THE RESULT OF THE SETTLEMENT.

AND THAT WAS MADE CLEAR THAT THAT WAS AVAILABLE IF THE COUNSELORS WHO WANTED THAT INFORMATION WOULD SIGN AN NDA.

WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY DONE ONCE. IT WAS PRESENTED TO ME THE REASON THAT THAT WAS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE OPTION WAS ON THE ADVICE OF OUR COU COUNCIL, WHO E THE CLAIM THAT WE WOULD THEN BE LIABLE IN SOME MANNER IF IT GOT OUT.

YET, WE ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT A SUBPOENA OF THOSE RECORDS AND A COMMITTEE THAT WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THIS INFORMATION.

I THINK THERE IS TOO MUCH RISK OF DAMAGE TO THE EMPLOYEE.

WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

SO TO SAY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND THAT IS WHAT DOES INVESTIGATION ABOUT IS NOT TRUE. THIS INVESTIGATION ONLY GIVES THE PRESIDENT, THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THE ABILITY TO SUBPOENA THE SETTLEMENT. AND I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST

THAT. >> SUE FINKAM: COUNCILOR HANNON?

>> TIM HANNON: THANK YOU. AGAINST A I'M -- AGAIN, I THOUGHT IT WAS A SIMPLE QUESTION.

ARE WE GOING TO PUBLISH AND REDACT A REPORT AT TRIED TO FIX THIS, YOU KNOW, IN A MEANINGFUL WAY? BUT EVERYBODY IS SORT OF DANCING AROUND THE SUBPOENA ISSUE.

SO ALTERNATELY, TALKING ABOUT THAT SUBPOENA, COUNCILOR, ALTEALTERNATELY, WE COULD TAKE A MOTION THAT A SUBPOENA SHOULD BE DONE TO THE GAIN ACCESS THE SETTLEMENT.

AND ONCE THAT IS DECIDED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THEN HOPEFULLY WE COULD GET TO, DO WE ALL AGREED THAT WE NEED TO WRITE THIS UP AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS? AND I'M WILLING TO DO IT THAT WAY IF EVERYONE'S CONCERNED OBJECTIVE IS SUBPOENAING TO GET THE SETTLEMENT. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE

ELSE CAN JUMP IN HERE. >> SUE FINKAM: I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU WITHDRAW YOUR INITIAL MOTION.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU SAY, WE WANT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION UP

TO AND INCLUDING A SUBPOENA. >> TIM HANNON: WE COULD DO THAT.

AND IF THAT PASSES, THEN WE ARE DONE.

IF IT DOES NOT GET THEN WE COULD GO BACK AND WE ARE GOING TO WRAP THIS THING UP AND COME UP WITH FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO AGAIN, MY MOTION IS THAT WE CONTINUE THE INVESTIGATION TO INCLUDE A SUBPOENA TO THE EXECUTIVE, THE MAYOR, ASKING FOR ACCESS TO SETTLEMENT AND THAT IS THE MOTION.

>> SUE FINKAM: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION. COUNCILOR RIDER? NO DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO -- BECAUSE I WANTED TO HAVE A MOVEMENT HERE. THERE'S A COUPLE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE STATE CODE THAT IT SAYS WE ARE AUTHORIZED INFORMATION.

IT SAYS EXTENT -- EXECUTIVES SHALL PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION REGARDING CITY AFFAIRS AT THE REQUEST.

THE LEGISLATIVE JUST ABSOLUTELY CONFOUNDS ME.

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BE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. >> COUNCILMEMBER: MY REASON FOR VOTING AGAINST THIS, WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS MONTHS AGO WITH THE NDA AND NOT DRAGGED THAT CITY AND THE EMPLOYEE THROUGH A SUBPOENA. IT WAS CLEAR TO ME.

WE SIGNED AN NDA BEFORE. I AM DISGUSTED BY THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. CONTROL OF ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

COUNCILOR CAMPBELL? >> LAURA CAMPBELL: THANK YOU.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO SIGN AN NDA TO SEE THE SETTLEMENT. WENT THAT MEDIATOR TOLD OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE TO APPROVE THAT SETTLEMENT, I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD SEE THE SETTLEMENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO SIGN AN NDA.

AND I DON'T TRUST THAT THE CITY WILL PROVIDE US WITH THE FULL DETAILS OF WHATEVER IT SETTLEMENT IT IS.

I BELIEVE WE SHOULD ISSUE A SUBPOENA.

AND I'M VOTING IN FAVOR OF IT. >> LAURA CAMPBELL: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

4-4, IT DOES NOT PASS. I WILL PASS THE GAVEL BACK.

>> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILOR HANNON, THE SECOND PART OF THE MOTION REGARDING FORMING A COMMITTEE. DO YOU WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT?

>> TIM HANNON: NOW THAT WE HAVE TAKEN THAT OFF THE TABLE, AGAIN, I'M SURE YOU WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

I'M SURE YOU WANT TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.

BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE CLEARLY NEED TO COMPILE WHAT HAPPENED AND BASED UPON THAT COME UP WITH AFFIRMATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS AGAIN, IMPLEMENTING THOSE INVOLVED IN HRT EXECUTIVE, OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS IF NECESSARY IS WILL P-- AS WELL. I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILOR WORRELL. I'M DISGUSTED BY THE ENTIRE THING IS WILL. THE FACT THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN ON OUR WATCH IS REPREHENSIBLE. I'M GLAD THAT WE WILL BE PUTTING THIS BEHIND US. AGAIN, MY MOTION WOULD BE AS A COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE THAT WE CONCLUDE THE INVESTIGATION WAS A REPORT AS A COMMITTEE, AS A WHOLE APPROPRIATELY REDACTED AND THEN INCLUDE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS TO PREVENT THIS

FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. >> COUNCILMEMBER: SECOND.

>> SUE FINKAM: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A SECOND.

>> COUNCILMEMBER: MADAM PRESIDENT, I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO IF WE PRODUCE A REPORT, DO WE HAVE TO PUT -- DISCUSS THE REPORT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? SINCE THIS, CONFIDENTIAL

INFORMATION. >> SUE FINKAM: MY ASSUMPTION IS IF IT IS APPROPRIATELY REDACTED, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

>> COUNCILMEMBER: JOHN COULD JUMP IN CERTAINLY, THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATELY REDACTED AND NO HARMING INFORMATION IS RELEASED, THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IN PRIVATE SESSION. AGAIN, --

>> SUE FINKAM: DONE IN THE SAME EXCEPTION? THE SAME EXCEPTION WE DID BEFORE? MILES HAS ALREADY SECONDED. ARE YOU DONE?

ANY OTHER COMETS OR QUESTIONS? >> COUNCILMEMBER: SO WHO IS

CREATING THAT REPORT? >> SUE FINKAM: I GUESS THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE. WE COULD HAVE OUR DEPUTY CLERK DO THAT. AND THEN WE COULD APPROVE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER: IT WAS A MOTION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS

A COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. >> SUE FINKAM: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR AASEN?

>> ADAM AASEN: I HAVE TO REQUEST THAT WE HAVE AMPLE TIME TO REVIEW THE REPORT BEFORE IT IS RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T WANT A SITUATION WHERE WE GET THE REPORT MONDAY BEFORE

IT HITS THE PUBLIC. >> SUE FINKAM: THAT IS A REQUEST AND NOT AN AMENDMENT. I'M ASSUMING THAT WE WILL HANDLE THAT IN COMMITTEE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY.

ANY OTHER MOTIONS ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.

I KNOW THAT WAS DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING.

AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS LIVING UP TO COUNCIL MEETING AS WELL AS DURING AN.

ITEM 17 IS ANNOUNCEMENTS.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.